psyker-class

[vagrant cedar]

this shit like this should be a public knowledge

and shown at the loading screens

jesus

[rapid drum]

are you trying to get it too?

[left briar]

any success with the autopistol?

[clear heath]

nah, i prefer empire propaganda over actual useful loading screen tips

[fast swan]

worth upgrading or not enough quell?

or does quell speed not mater so long as i get the transfer peril?

[dusky lantern]

Dont think it's worth

[fast swan]

understood

just really need a better void staff as often times a half charged void bolt wont put down dregs

[dusky lantern]

well if you have plasteel maybe worth seeing the blessing it'll take

if you just want an upgrade over ur current

[fast swan]

hmm

kinda want optimal

so i can wait

[vagrant cedar]

May emperor guide you then

[dusky lantern]

should look for base stat 360-380 then

that one is 326

[long wharf]

quell speed is less important if you have transfer peril on your void staff

you'll feel the lowered quell speed, though

[fast swan]

gotcha, ty

[devout sentinel]

Clarification for me ... i use BB for trasnfer peril or does it work on surge chain for example ? (void headshots /weak ofc also etc)

right :D ?

[long wharf]

what are you smoking?

lay off your nana's meds.

[clear heath]

You can't even get transfer peril on surge

oh wait you mean the blessing

probably

I keep forgetting that there's a blessing called surge

[frigid marten]

everthing in the game have a name for 2 different things.

[devout belfry]

Or 2 names for one thing.

[long wharf]

or 3 names for 7 things

you don't know!

[leaden pier]

or 4 names for somethings

[left briar]

the autopistol so bad

still used it for t5 anyway

[devout belfry]

Most weapons are bad lol

[fast swan]

is the thing that lets you see your shop via google safe?

[devout sentinel]

yep

[left briar]

Warp Flurry a good blessing for flamer?

[devout sentinel]

@fast swan #1050508988732686386 message

[devout belfry]

Yes, a famous modder made it and the code is public.

[clear heath]

works fine for me

[long wharf]

no

[left briar]

seems like it works i cant tell tho

[clear heath]

Also aqshy is in the discord server for it

[long wharf]

not for purge it doesn't

the animation for purge is too long

@devout belfry check this out

[devout belfry]

Beefy. Now upgrade it and be disappointed.

[long wharf]

I'm afraid to

[clear heath]

pray for warp nexus

[long wharf]

actually, I should probably hold off until FartShart does a pass on fixing staff blessings

[devout belfry]

😂

You'll never be safe.

[long wharf]

so, I'll probably upgrade it next December

[clear heath]

there's only like 5 possible blessings on surge staff anyways right?
2/5 chance to get the good blessing
sounds like good odds to me

that's what i told myself before i failed to get warp nexus

[devout belfry]

I doubt they all roll like that lol

We know the shop favors certain weapons.

[fast swan]

havent seen a laspistol in years

granted i dont want one but zamn the shop loves axes and autoguns

[white ocean]

Cloud>anything else

[wanton cove]

Chad energy

[long wharf]

no, burn > cloud > warp resist > damage > quell speed

[alpine portal]

Crit of flack?

[vapid storm]

what can i swap for the better here?

[summer prairie]

Infested for flak

[long wharf]

if ytou mean perks on purge, crit

let the suffering commence

[north cradle]

I believe in you

[long wharf]

ew

need more diamantine before I can get it to orange

[gloomy obsidian]

Spicy

[snow plover]

just found out that pushback does a little bit of dmg O.o

[long wharf]

yep, it can proc Kinetic Flayer

[snow plover]

neat!

[devout crater]

thoughts on these? not sure which to upgrade

[fresh reef]

do duplicate voices not have banter?
ie. female seer and female seer not conversing at all

[fresh reef]

upgrade the first one

[fast swan]

wait i forgot are curios for max health or toughness better?

for psyker

[devout sentinel]

some do 1 hp 1th 1 wound but i pref 2 th 1wound

[fast swan]

i love wounds

[devout sentinel]

u can regen though u cant hp

;D

[fast swan]

if im low i can juse reset

[jovial frigate]

alright

[fast swan]

u can regen hp if you have enough wounds

[jovial frigate]

is the quickswap keybind actually better than selecting the number of weapon? i swear to god going from bb/staff into melee by pressing 1 fucks up a lot for me

[devout sentinel]

yep i prefer q too im used to have rang weapon on 1 on most weapons

super weird to get used

[north cradle]

Should I upgrade?

[fast swan]

eeh

quell speed is really nice and damage could be better

blast radius is the dump stat

[summer prairie]

it would be good with weakspot quell but not worth rolling for it

[hot zephyr]

It's good enough to use as is even in damnation like that. No need to waste plasteel until you get a 360+ one with better stat distribution.

[north cradle]

Righto

[dapper dove]

y am i trash

[fast swan]

what a whole lotta mid

[dapper dove]

lvl 19

[north cradle]

The perks are both oof

Flak and Carapace for Surge Force, right?

[dapper dove]

help plz

[pale crescent]

Worth using?

[hot zephyr]

Please tell me you at least were drunk when you made this lol.

[dapper dove]

wtf

[dapper dove]

alcohol is lame

im eating granola wym??

[hot zephyr]

Yes. I have yet to see a devils claw this nice. Buy immediately.

[north cradle]

Mk VII is the one with Vanguard on light?

[dapper dove]

i was looking for a tip or 2

[hot zephyr]

Yes its the cleave machine

[pale crescent]

heavy spamming in meat grinder is working well

[summer prairie]

heavy-light is good for mkvii

[hot zephyr]

If you want an honest tip or two.

1. save your plasteel and diamantine until you are level 30 and have items that are base level 350+ before perks and blessings before using
2. surge staff deals extra damage to metal-armored enemies, so adding perks like extra damage to flak or carapace armor means you deal reasonable damage against them.
3. surge staff is really bad against infested/unarmored hordes. Pair it with a strong cleave weapon like a chainsword or devil's claw to deal with hordes.

[red canyon]

Hey im new to darktide i main and was wondering is there any way to earn cosmetic items for free in this game apart from penances

[north cradle]

Own Vermintide 2 lol

[fast swan]

indeed, you unlosck cosmetics via leveling up

and then you can go the the gun store and buy recolors of those

for example grey/blue/stripey/etc

[red canyon]

i do actually. When i booted the game i got A TON of stuff. But i am yet to see it

[fast swan]

if you want drip tho, fork over some aquillas

or get imperial edition for the best bang for ur buck

[idle bay]

Surge staff vs Horde - if you have distance - just spam LMB attack to significantly thin the hoard with few dozens of headshots.

[north cradle]

Oh wait Vermintide 2 is for faces and eye colours and tattoos. Imperial Edition gives you the bandana

[red canyon]

Im saving my money for when they roll out new classes/ variants and inevitably make us pay for them

[fast swan]

fair

[fast swan]

i have basically all the penance gear and have looked through the whole shop but still think the best psyker drip is imperial edition + my cool eyehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1058475753441873963/image.png

[red canyon]

I really hope they dont make us pay but knowing games these days......

[devout sentinel]

90% dmg to monstrosities with BB chest looks the best (achievment)-change my mind

[red canyon]

That looks fucking badass

[fast swan]

it really depends, but considering the amount of gameplay a neww subclass could add with new abilities and whatnot, i am willing to pay $5-10 for a new psyker or zealot playstyle

[fast swan]

🥰

[steel egret]

Too bad it still has this issue

[fast swan]

i know and the dagger and skull on the back are malformed XD

gj fatshark!

[steel egret]

best part is they fixed bit above

and left that broken

"good enough"

[hot zephyr]

If you like to spam right click, warp flurry is fairly strong. Perks like +1 stamina are great on it too because most of your damage comes from stacking the DOT so you don't really have to worry about damage buffs.

The terrifying barrage blessing is also ok on it. Not worth spending plasteel on tho. Most of the other perks and blessings are only kinda meh on it iirc.

[fresh reef]

spicy mk5

what perks am I looking for?

[fast swan]

god i just really need a force greatsword and a laser staff

like really really need it

a laser staff that works like symmetra's gun would be lit

longer ur hitting a target, the more damage

[fresh reef]

hmm I wonder where we've seen that before

[fast swan]

i didnt play sienna she wasnt grail knight or warrior priest

[fresh reef]

fair tbh

[steel egret]

terrifying barrage on purga, is that actually worth it? doesnt it already have said effect naturally.

[fast swan]

god please give me a brettonian longsword

[fierce sinew]

daily beamstaff when post

[steel egret]

I have those aswell.

[fierce sinew]

roll that carapace to crit and that's a spicy meatball you have there

[fresh reef]

what perks am I looking for on this?

[steel egret]

yeah.. thats why I find it odd some days people say here not to take barrage on it and days like this.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah that's an absolutely disgusting staff. I agree you could maybe do better than carapace damage through. But I really don't know what would be better. Purg doesn't really need ideal perks to be great when it's got high base stats like that

[steel egret]

Maybe its some radius specific thing.

Dont really care too much.

[lunar garden]

Existencial question: is farting bad for the environment? Does it promote the greenhouse effect?

[fast swan]

yes

see cows

[lunar garden]

But I'm a human not a cow

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. I think purge does have natural suppression on it. I dunno the best purg I've seen in the store had barrage on it so that's what I've been running and it certainly causes ranged enemies to go into brown pants mode

[steel egret]

There is research in works to make cows fart less.

[lunar garden]

I can't possibly make as much gas as a ciw

[fierce sinew]

crit chance just because crits give you an extra soulblaze stack

[lunar garden]

Cow

[devout sentinel]

small psyks also can fart big @lunar garden

[lunar garden]

Loooool

We all know psyker mains don't step on grass

[devout belfry]

I really wish stacks expired one at a time.

[steel egret]

Zealots apparently cant hold farts.

lore accurate?

[hot zephyr]

Do you run the LVL 20 feat that gives you ranged damage reduction based on peril?

[lunar garden]

Zealots shit themselves in order to attract hordes

[fast swan]

trauma staff buff idea: applies soulblaze to all enemies within its radius

might make it usable, perhaps as a blessing

[steel egret]

Sometimes when I'm under impression I dont need Kinetic deflection.

[fast swan]

mid in motion

[steel egret]

ew

[fast swan]

that feat should let you sprint and slide while quelling and even give a quelling boost ngl

[steel egret]

Hell, should give just straight out movement speed buff or something to compensate how bad it is.

[fast swan]

or alternatively just give quell on kill as well

[hot zephyr]

I've been running it and I find the chip damage gets reduced enough that between quietitude and kinetic shield I can keep my toughness topped up enough to ensure you aren't losing health too often.

[mighty pike]

Why does quelling slow us down so much while reloading doesn't

[fast swan]

🤡

i just wish the feat that gave higher damage on peril gave a much bigger buff

[steel egret]

I mean I run quietitude aswell, I get health damaged once or twice or none below damnation, unless its clown fiesta or dog bounces next of me and chips 1 hp.

[fast swan]

but maybe they saving that for the inevitable unchained class

[steel egret]

Generally its shotgunner and single poxwalker and stars aligned just right to break toughness for him to chip thru.

on damnation it could be all sort of things.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah some bleed through is inevitable of course. I started pairing a chainsword with + to manaics and block effiency with my purg setup cus I generally use that setup for low intensity modifier missions where you gotta murder all the hordes forever

[steel egret]

Or a barrel that Ogryn called Kario hits with a club sending him flying chipping me a bit as I'm in disbelief he would hit it.

[steel egret]

I see.

[hot zephyr]

I wonder what would happen if you barrel-killed a hound into the hound space program bug....

[fast swan]

is there lore for an unchained like class for psyker?

unstable psykers usually get possessed, executed, or fed to the throne

idk if there is a type that is known for going crazy with their powers that is tolerated by the imperium

[mental vortex]

if only the emperor gave me a little more finesse still pretty good tho

[eager verge]

Darkmass, data dump - everything you ever wanted to know is in here! https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/101oaf8/darkmass_dump_literally_everything_pulled_live/

[hot zephyr]

Most psykers, even powerful ones from the Inquisition know that demonic possession means instant death for them. I very much doubt we would get something like that in this game.

[mental vortex]

if the game was %100 lore accurate half the psyker voice lines would get them a bolter round to the head

let alone going mad with power

[fast swan]

true if a psyker ever screamed "I CANT CONTROL IT" i would consider it a mercy blowing their brains out

[mental vortex]

no no not those

some just straight up doubt the emperor

[fast swan]

oh yea that too

[hot zephyr]

My character definitely commits heresy at least twice per mission with his voice lines.

[mental vortex]

others taunt the imperium

[stray pond]

Ah yes the Loner Psyker

[mental vortex]

pretty heretic

[stray pond]

Him and his 5 rusted spires

[hot zephyr]

The line 'by the five' alone is enough to get murdered by the Imperium

[fast swan]

inquisistors sometimes make daemonhosts but those are very very radical and we dont know what kinda inquisitor Grendyl is

[fast swan]

oh yea what are the 5? i thought that was the 5 psychic disciplines

[mental vortex]

Im pretty sure the only demons the imperium tolarates is angels

[stray pond]

The chaos gods and the emperor

[mental vortex]

saints

whatever you call them

[fast swan]

💀

[hot zephyr]

The five gods. Four chaos and one emprah

[fast swan]

oh good emperor thats bad

[stray pond]

But even that Psyker wants nothing to do with warp possession or the chaos gods

[fast swan]

implying you get ur magic from any of the 4 or that big E is one of them is so bad

[mental vortex]

and then there is zealots

"blood for the golden throne"

sus

[stray pond]

Skulls for the golden throne, blood for the emperor

[mental vortex]

yeah pretty fucking sus

[hot zephyr]

The Emperor is the god of pride/vanity. Change my mind.

[stray pond]

Well they are zealots

[mental vortex]

emperor is the god of looking sexy in golden armour

until he became a fucking skeleton

[long wharf]

my head canon is that the emperor is definitely a warp-based god unique to humans

the human belief in a supernatural, all-powerful god fuels him

but unlike the chaos gods, he understands that that belief ultimately hurts humanity

[solar fossil]

I was using trauma force and i feel like its pretty good when youre up high

although i imagine that voidstrike is probably just a direct upgrade due to the range

[mighty pike]

It's not fun if you're not dancing with the inquisition

[devout sentinel]

thoughts for surge staff t4/t5
blaze one - get stacks -unload into wave - hold dps/cc with 6 stacks ?
barrage - F - burst elites and be cc chainer on hords (with elites*) ?

[summer prairie]

wrack and ruin is pretty bad, 2-1 at least gives surge a minor dmg boost

[long wharf]

for surge, 321133

for purge, 321122

never use surge on the horde for the purpose of killing the horde

[devout sentinel]

why 32 1(?) and not psyk aura ? if surge is more for cc/stagger than damage so the stacks only for less costs cause of tranqulity ?

[long wharf]

because warp charges fuel peril resist via 2-2

teammates may like additional CDR on elite kill, but everyone likes it when the psyker can lock down multiple groups back to back without quelling

as a surge psyker, your job is to locking down everything as often as possible (and chopping through the horde otherwise)

that means peril resist is more valuable to overall team performance

sometimes I'll go 321112 for purge

I basically never ult except to avoid popping

[fresh reef]

[long wharf]

meh, not a combat axe

[fresh reef]

there was also this last shop cycle, your excellence

[long wharf]

oooweee, that's a beauty

now upgrade it

[violet yoke]

Pray to God u don't get limbspliter blessing. Had that one just trash some nice axes

[fresh reef]

it was a gray, so I need to farm up some more plasteel

what perks should I look for?

[mental vortex]

why cant I get a purgy that doesnt have like %2 damage but get god rolls on fucking revolvers and autoguns

[violet yoke]

Well you have to roll it out and let RNG Jesus take the wheel. If it's usable ull know

[mental vortex]

if I had these kinda guns on my zealot I would solo a heresy mission

why is my luck like this

[thorny idol]

BEHOLD MY FELLOW PSYKERS

LOOK UPON ME AND WEEP

[north cradle]

Congrats and fuck you

[devout sentinel]

noice : D i also want to get it >_>

[thorny idol]

IT TOOK ME 4 HOURS OF GRINDING

WITH TEAM SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO GET IT

[north cradle]

I got two out of three during a Heresy run my buddies were doing

[devout sentinel]

alrdy got the 90% monstro ingame @thorny idol ?

[thorny idol]

PRAISE BE THE EMPEROR!!!!

Yes!

[devout sentinel]

giga psyk

[thorny idol]

I only need Pick n Mix now

[north cradle]

I said "HOL UP I'M DOING THIS FOR THE EMPEROR" and BB'd a Bulwark and two Maulers and leapt in

The third Mauler survived :-D

[thorny idol]

that happened to me so much

**FOR THOSE WHO NEED OUT WITH A BANG STILL

[languid osprey]

what perks should get for surge?

[north cradle]

Pick N Mix wasn't too bad. A Vet with Bio-Optics found some for me and I said "Wait let me at 'em" and I got it

I also blew myself up there but I still got it

[thorny idol]

Get a team and do Hab Dreyko Investigation on Malice or pref Heresy

[wanton sail]

[thorny idol]

at the end escape there's a door that will spawn 2-3 ragers repeatedly

[north cradle]

I was in Dickord so that's probably why I had an easier time

[languid osprey]

+25%dmg on infested? or what?

[gleaming flame]

https://bigmemes.funnyjunk.com/thumbnails/comments/Uh+_3309fd74ad00ad01f548da76e98ed51c.gif

[wanton sail]

I'm so happy for you but I'm also really sad for me lol

[hot zephyr]

Surge staff is a CC build, you won't really be killing much so you'll never really trigger Aura and KF is of limited use since you'll be high peril a lot of the time.

Communion helps build stacks while you CC and warp battery and resist let you keep throwing minimum charge RMB for longer to stun lock.

I like kinetic shield over deflection since you'll be at high peril a lot too for the high ranged reduction, and quietitude just makes sense cus you'll be quelling a lot anyways.

LVL 30 perk is kinda up to you. You can go for any of them, but I think they all have their use. Cooldown reduction allows you to peril dump, AB lets you burn a horde and KB gives you chain BBs.

I personally use AB right now on my surge but I actually have been debating the cooldown reduction so you can keep stunlocking more.

[north cradle]

Surge Staff? You want Flak and Carapace damage

[languid osprey]

k thx

[thorny idol]

Trauma Staff is GOAT

[north cradle]

AB for Damnation methinks. KB is good for Heresy

[fast swan]

how is trauma staff good on heresey?

[thorny idol]

It's like having that gun from Gantz that just obliterates a circle

[fast swan]

u just need god roll staff?

[thorny idol]

Trauma Staff secondary cuts through armor

[fast swan]

will it ever outperform void?

[mighty pike]

This is the only positive comment about trauma staff I've seen

[fast swan]

trauma staff damage way to shit and peril cost way too high

[north cradle]

I have enough Veterans and Zealots cutting through armour with Boltguns that I'll just use the Bowling Ball staff instead

[thorny idol]

I think all staffs are viable but I'm most iffy on Purgatus

haven't gotten a good one or tried a specific build for it though

[north cradle]

Purgatus doesn't feel good to use for me

[violet yoke]

I do love trauma staff and purg on T5s depending on the group.

[thorny idol]

nothing holds a choke point better than Trauma Staff

[north cradle]

I dunno I've done pretty well holding a chokepoint with Voidstrike myself

[thorny idol]

Trauma you can kill all the fuckers piling up on the sides to get in too though

fair @timid kelp

[north cradle]

Maybe Trauma with Quicken at 30, since you'd be killing enough people for Psychic Communion to proc fairly often

If the horde gets too close or your Peril gets too high, push 'em back

[violet yoke]

I go either Mk v axe/trauma or FS/purg staff. Love um both but have very different applications depending on the group

[devout sentinel]

tyvm

[thorny idol]

Now that I have a Force Sword with Deflector the Axes are dead to me

Psychic Communion and Kinetic Deflection, I can just stand there and hold back hordes, let allies build my warp charges then soul blaze fury of the warp

[magic burrow]

with purge youre either constantly at the back wafting fire at melee (getting set on fire staggers), or you're slippin and sliding around with a dueling sword or combat knife, whipping out the fire staff when needed.

purge also feels to me like its the only staff that synergizes well with perks

[fast swan]

🥵

[long wharf]

anyone else think Masozi sounds like BMO from Adventure Time?

[fast swan]

man i hope when crafting is done we'll have a way to reroll all blessings and not have em lock

[devout belfry]

😂

[long wharf]

gonna be a lot of pissed off players if they lock blessings in any way

[long wharf]

very nice, shame about warp flurry though

[devout belfry]

I wish there was a more machine gun like stave.

Bolt staff or something similar from V2.

[covert valve]

hmm since no warp nexus on blessing you only have 10% crit? then of that 10% dmg increase of ur crits?

[meager rune]

Should aim for multiple headshots thats the purpose of the mods

[robust meteor]

re-blessing isn't gonna bring me back now that im thinking about it

it doesn't sound exciting at all anymore

[devout belfry]

They need to fix the blessings. And make them infinitely reslotable.

[long wharf]

how about a staff that shoots out small warp projectiles in random directions, but they home in on the nearest enemies?

[robust meteor]

seems like it would either be useless or op since the spawn size changes so much between difficulties

[covert valve]

mines very similar to urs im thinking of changing one of my perks to 25% infested maybe? since i normally always use it on trash and not the eleites or would 10% weakspot hit be better?

[long wharf]

definitely might fall off in higher difficults, you could offset that with really good mobility

or have the projectiles do extra damage to enemies suffering soulblaze

creativity in design is the key to fun

[meager rune]

hordes can be wiped out so easily. only elites + ogryns remain after shooting several voids

[robust meteor]

it could have a spring on the bottom and be ridden like a pogo stick. when you land it explodes the projectiles and splits walkers in half at dick level

[covert valve]

yeah but do u continue shooting the ogryns with that or do BB

[meager rune]

I use bb for bulwarks and voids for crusher

[long wharf]

or the projectiles stick to enemies and when a critical mass builds up, they detonate

and trigger detonation in other stuck enemies as well

[robust meteor]

im clownin

[covert valve]

void does more dmg to crushers? i feel like it takes a long time to kill those things with void

[meager rune]

it does about 650 dmg + stagger

[robust meteor]

i think they have 3600 hp

[meager rune]

definitely less than bb but stagger matters

[covert valve]

BB staggers them

[hallow needle]

it is genuinely impossible to get help on stuff in the veteran channel. does salvo on a burst fire weapon mean just the first bullet or the full burst?

[robust meteor]

idk its over 3k

[meager rune]

bb staggers a single target

[long wharf]

wrong channel, try #veteran-class

[meager rune]

void does multiple staggers

[hallow needle]

read the sentence

[long wharf]

read the channel name

[hallow needle]

check their channel

they onlyy talk about ships

or final fantasy 14

[long wharf]

I have it muted

[robust meteor]

just play psyker

[long wharf]

if I wanted to chat with veteran mains, I'd be active there

[covert valve]

it rolled manaic and flak but similar to yours but even those ragers take so long to kill compared to 2 brain burst (im on damination)

[hallow needle]

i mainly play psyker

[meager rune]

it should hit head, otherwise it will take forever

[mighty pike]

Try testing it in the psykanium?

[naive dawn]

@hallow needle I would test it in the meat grinder, see if the first bullet or first burst is changed. Their wording on buffs/blessings/perks is frustrating so testing tends to best.

[long wharf]

reroll maniacs to bonus damage to the horde enemies

[north cradle]

First shot until recoil is reset

So that might take a third of a second or so

[hallow needle]

i always forget that place even exists lol

[meager rune]

mobs are running straight. its not hard to hit multiple headshots in a row

[covert valve]

yeah thats what i was thinking to reroll 25% infected but you have 10% on groners and poxwalkers but dont groners die super fast?

[long wharf]

the faster they die, the less charging you need to do to one shot them

I'd go with the 10% to both

[north cradle]

I also found me a new Voidstrike. The one on the right. Since Blast Radius is the dump stat, I think I can use this one for a little bit

[long wharf]

get peril transfer on the one to the left

ehhh

I mean, blast radius isn't pointless

80% is, what, 3.6m radius?

[shadow wigeon]

2% transfer worth upgradingÉ

[light quail]

blast radius is not pointless lol

[long wharf]

the range is 2~4

[light quail]

doubly so on trauma

[long wharf]

absolutely

[light quail]

love me a bit of trauma gaming

[weak obsidian]

Anyone got pics of all 3 tiers of the penance hoods?

[long wharf]

just google it

[meager rune]

larger size, easier to get weak spot dmg

[long wharf]

with void, blast radius doesn't affect projectile collision radius

only the AoE when the shot stops piercing stuff

[shadow wigeon]

@long wharf ok i aint mad

[mild hornet]

is warp resistance on force sword good or bad?

[long wharf]

it's okay

[fast swan]

close to optimal

[covert valve]

its the slight stagger right? the dmg is only when you hit the enemy?

[weak obsidian]

Yea if there was something there I wouldn't be asking players here

[meager rune]

shoot, sorry. the stagger effects I mean

[shadow wigeon]

I'm assuming +20% unarmour is great for void... what other perk is worth rolling?

[fast swan]

big E gave it to me

not great not terrible

[mighty pike]

[X] Barter

[long wharf]

yeah, I wouldn't use that

[severe dove]

Guess i'm an axe psyker

[long wharf]

crap blessings, and I don't consider charge rate a dumpstat

[covert valve]

is unarmored that good? which enemy type is this hitting weakspot hits

[long wharf]

reapers are unarmored on their head

[shadow wigeon]

I just assumed it was good for wave clear, but i havent used void much.

[timber shale]

Depends on your build. If you’re taking Psykinetics wrath (the increased damage @ high peril feat) then low warp resist can be nice because you can pump your peril up quickly with the sword’s special. Otherwise a high warp resist stat is nice but not a high priority.

[robust meteor]

i would use it for $20

u pay me

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-24966265

[covert valve]

is it unarmored hit with void staff secondary tho i cant remember but my other ones hit it says unyeilding

[long wharf]

now I'm not sure

[viral solstice]

they should let psykers use the ogryn club as a 2-handed club

[mild hornet]

interesting, is the idea to remain at maximum peril? seems kind of annoying considering you're deaf and half blind at 100%

[robust meteor]

if you're not in constant fear and dread while playing psyker idk what to tell you

[covert valve]

even the unarmored that have some flak would say flak armor when hit with surge staff (ie gunner and shotgunners)

[timber shale]

I wouldn’t stay at 100%, but definitely at least 50% so that you can refill toughness with your ability and quietitude

[thorny idol]

My name is Inquisitor Jack, present your character's drip or be burned as a witch by the Ordo Malleus

[robust meteor]

lazy

[thorny idol]

very nice

[covert valve]

would unarmored be groners and some dregs?

[fast swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1058475753441873963/image.png

[thorny idol]

Excellent

[fast swan]

🥰

[shadow wigeon]

I just don't know now, I haven't seen a clear list of all enemy types.

[thorny idol]

the bionic eye really gives it an inquisitor vibe

[lethal crown]

my psyker got that gold toilet seat drip tho https://i.imgur.com/VqFklHh.jpg

[fast swan]

i love my eye

[lucid horizon]

😎

[thorny idol]

My Penance Set

And my store set

[thorny idol]

excellent

[thorny idol]

Death Dtranding 2 came early

[fresh reef]

fun little thing I noticed
all the class penances are listed as the career, not the base character

meaning each career has their own penances, and presumably their own cosmetics

biomancer/psykinetic combo drip ‼️

[thorny idol]

true

wonder what the other careers will be

and will they bring different weapon options or just be a different feats tree

?

[violet yoke]

If it's like verman tide it will be just new classes

[long wharf]

they'd have to up the character limit per player then

[covert valve]

anyways nexus flurry is pretty nice with quelling on weak spot bcuz you pretty much ignore the extra peril gain and get out more CC in different direction/angles. in damnation when i fire into the horde a lot of the time it quells down to 0% not sure if id get max peril for the crit blessing as long. @long wharf whats your play style with voidstrike?

[north cradle]

I'd scream if I can't just go into Loadout and select a different career

[shadow wigeon]

groaners, dregs, gunners, snipers, but also a few heads are unarmoured.
I think bottom line is infested is just not common so im going to reroll that.

[long wharf]

same as every other void user - you fire at the heads of the horde until there's no more horde

[covert valve]

half charge to kill horde and full charge for elites and such?>

[long wharf]

basically

[shadow wigeon]

I feel like 2% transfer isn't enough to get to to zero, but it helps.

I guess what im wondering is, looking ahead to damnation... is it worth keeping 20% unarmored vs bosting damage against unyielding or something.

[covert valve]

i have 3% on mine but i think its 6%ish peril for instant secondary

[shadow wigeon]

infested + flak, vs unarmored + flak, etc. I have to keep infested or unarmored.

[covert valve]

personally against reapers ill brain burst and that is enough to stagger them i feel myself it takes way too long with void staff to kill reapers. and for bulwers u need to get rid of their sheidl or you do 0 dmg (and i am doing damnation runs with premade)

[shadow wigeon]

fair, unyielding was a bad example really, i wont use staff there either

[covert valve]

someone mention that 10% weakspot hit was a bit lower? maybe 5 or 8?

[mental vortex]

man what the fuck is up with special spawns and elites

3 bullwarks 2 ragers and 2 shotgunners just spawned in front of us in a tight corridor

and then a mutant

[hollow scaffold]

Hey I need was wondering what is a way to build psyker for heresy and higher sense I'm starting to enjoy it more now that I've maxed it out the class

as in curios I should mention

[fast swan]

wounds

:)

[hollow scaffold]

just wounds? no toughness or health?

[fast swan]

to clariy thats what i like and i suck at the game

[hollow scaffold]

fair

[mental vortex]

psyker toughness is horrible and buffs are % based meaning health is just better

[desert quartz]

yeah, I find toughness, stamina, & block efficiency very helpful

but depends on your build/playstyle

not really a one size fits all

[hollow scaffold]

fair I felt that the class was like that

I just didn't know if there was something I was missing out on

[covert valve]

ok I just tested this in the training grounds the gunners and reapers are not unarmored even on headshots 2ndary voidstrike cast. so unarmored hits would be groners and some of the shooters and sniper. (20% cast rate on my staff kills the unarmored groaners without the perk)

[austere sandal]

is the t4 surge blessing on trauma staff worth getting from requisition?

[long wharf]

can trauma get it? I thought only void could

[austere sandal]

seeing it on trauma rn

[long wharf]

so trauma can hit twice on crit via surge blessing? interesting.

can you screenshot that please?

[violet yoke]

That's pretty epic

The blessings

[austere sandal]

well it belongs to the void now

[thorny idol]

Heck yea

[violet yoke]

I didn't know trauma could get surge

[fresh reef]

gawdam

[long wharf]

you absolutely should have bought it

when you had the chance

even if the staff itself is garbage

[austere sandal]

never use trauma, so would just sit in the inventory regardless

[long wharf]

you don't get it

[fresh reef]

[long wharf]

we'll be able to move blessings in the future

[long wharf]

headtaker isn't bad, but you really want brutal momentum and limbsplitter

[fresh reef]

I was pogging over the 25% carapace

[austere sandal]

do we know yet whether u can transfer blessings from one weapon type to a completely different one?

[long wharf]

we don't know yet any details on the rest of the crafting system

[valid marsh]

Worth it?

[long wharf]

regardless of what FartShart has previously said

until it releases, nobody knows anything

[long wharf]

on a zealot, sure

psyker, don't bother

[austere sandal]

ya, so unless i can transfer that blessing to a staff i actually want to use, its no good to me

[magic hull]

unrelated but I got similar zealot skull set too. Im giving these guys the death knights of the imperium vibe.

[valid marsh]

it looks so good though

nothing good ever drops in the shop

[fresh reef]

average elf player

[devout belfry]

I want something more robelike for my Psyker.

[long wharf]

and slap tubes all over it

[devout belfry]

No more of your tubes.

[long wharf]

disconnected, short sections of tubing, for no god damn reason

like a cloak made of giant macaroni

[devout belfry]

They hold the juices in.

[long wharf]

they hold something in, that's for sure

[robust meteor]

im a 1 trick pony

[long wharf]

time to see how Hadron screws me over

fucking Hadron

[robust meteor]

knew it

[devout belfry]

Me too.

[magic hull]

weird torch stick

[devout belfry]

🫂

[long wharf]

I saved up diamantine for this bullshit

[north cradle]

How do you guys manage to find any weapons higher than 350, I must learn

[long wharf]

sigh

[long wharf]

step 1) open up your web browser

[robust meteor]

it goes as far as praying to rng

[long wharf]

step 2) log into your armory exchange

step 3) see nothing worth buying

[magic hull]

oh wait this one mb

[long wharf]

step 4) repeat in an hour until you see something worth buying

step 5) buy it

[long wharf]

that's a quality purge staff

[north cradle]

Speaking of which, how does this look

[magic hull]

im guessing 530 is max for the current game?

[wanton sandal]

got mine on pure chance

[robust meteor]

i dont even mind +special on fs. sometimes light attack is all you can do before you die

[mortal hornet]

just as I got a decent sword with deflector, melk has thin on sale, damn

[north cradle]

Yeh my current one is +Unarmoured and +Infested

[wet jacinth]

this is some fking shop this hour

[magic hull]

use mine as bench mark. (spoiler: it's eh)

[shadow wigeon]

If you dont have a brutal mk 5 axe, time to get one

[cyan notch]

its great grab it if you dont have a deflector

[magic hull]

get the axe, its better imo

[long wharf]

looks like you're swinging an axe now

[mortal hornet]

yup, new year was lucky for me, yesterdasy got a good lacerate knife on zealot, and today this

[north cradle]

This is my current sword for reference

[dim silo]

Wowoweewa

Nice

[covert valve]

i use this one, i tend to light attack on specials on certain mobs bcuz it does more dmg than headshot

[robust meteor]

whats psykers base crit anyways

[long wharf]

5%

same as zealot and ogryn

[north cradle]

Does it tell you somewhere?

[manic needle]

Haha nope

All of this information is hidden from the player

[north cradle]

This is worse than PlanetSide 2 launch

Actually no, the beta was worse than PS2 launch

This one is moderately worse than current PlanetSide 2

[robust meteor]

ps2 launch was pretty epic for the time

the size of the battles tho

everywhere

[north cradle]

The weapon stats were really obscure tho

[manic needle]

The Fatshark devs are the type of pretentious dickheads who make these sort of bad design decisions and think theyre doing you a favor

[north cradle]

Right? I want to be overwhelmed like Warframe rather than being confused

[manic needle]

Because hiding information about class base stats, how perks and blessings function, etc pReVEnT MiN MaXInG

[north cradle]

Obscurantism sucks

[cyan notch]

i doubt they did it to prevent min maxing

a lot wasnt explained in vt2 either

[north cradle]

I bet FS is going to try to make us feel like dumbasses two years down the line when they release red gear

[long wharf]

the dev responsible for a lot of Vermintide 2 and Darktide is on record as saying he hates min-maxing and makes mechanics confusing on purpose to fight it

[north cradle]

What's wrong with min-maxing?

[cyan notch]

even if so i dont think its one persons decision to HAHAHAHA GOTCHA GUYS!!!

[north cradle]

Some players want to min-max because they think it's fun. I'm one of those people. If people don't want to min-max to have fun, git gud or lower the difficulty

[cyan notch]

theres actually a ton of information for darktide how everything is calculated the ai director perks etcetcetc it can be pretty overwhelming to some people who just wanna hack and slash

and idk how theyd put all those in game anyway

[north cradle]

While I wouldn't mind having that info, I'd rather stats directly related to the player be relayed to the player

[cyan notch]

its still quite a lot of information overload for a fps style game

[fresh reef]

Holy shit I fucking love playing psyker so much

[toxic mountain]

vs

[violet yoke]

The best part is most other FPS games don't give even half the info darktide does and still most of the kids are raging about not enough information

[north cradle]

Ever since Modern Warfare 1 - I want to say - basically every FPS uses bars instead of numbers for stats

Like, why?

Yeah, the damage bar goes up, but how much damage am I actually dealing?

[cyan notch]

i guess most people dont really need that information

and for those who do they can seek that information out

[fresh reef]

it's better imo in cod where you have so many weapons that are effectively the same and where breakpoints don't matter

at least when you have both bars and numbers

[manic needle]

Unfortunately I wasn't able to dig up the thread where one of the devs stated that they intentionally obfuscate the game's underlying systems to make that as difficult as possible to crack without excessive datamining, specifically because they believe that min/maxing ruins games

Vermintide 2 was the same way because it's an intentional part of how they dole out information to the player

[cyan notch]

its definitely intentional bc theres way too many things to explain fully

[violet yoke]

To be fare t4 and t5 are skill/team based... you could use all grey weapons with a good skill/team and be just as successful

So min maxing is just for the nerds who love the game

[manic needle]

BUt enough can be explained so that people can understand, at a minimum, how different perks and blessings work.

[fluid zenith]

Totally min-maxing that ruins games and not releasing a beta as the full game

[manic needle]

Use codices if the information is complex

[cyan notch]

yes this i can agree with

[reef lava]

I just want to be a happy psyker, the penances are ridiculous

And hard!!!

[fluid zenith]

Happy? Psyker? Those are mutually exclusive

[violet yoke]

Penances have been the funniest thing to watch kids rage over getting them done and making sure they can complete them all.

[cyan notch]

easier to visualise changes with bars moving instead of numbers changing and you having to try to remember what numbers changed

[reef lava]

Game penances almost as hard as raising such kids

[north cradle]

Tis why green and red numbers are a thing

[violet yoke]

But each combination of "bars" are used for different things

Like ammo vs stopping power

U don't need both to be max to be "better" for certain use cases

Hence the bars

[cyan notch]

sure but it might not look good on their ui design theyre all made intentionally

some people might prefer detailed numbers but others just wanna see if adding a suppressor reduces their damage at a glance and go back to shooting people

[fierce sinew]

it's charitable to the point of naivety to pretend that omitting numbers is a UX decision

[fluid zenith]

Everybody gangsta until the Phyrexian mana starts talking

[cyan notch]

it definitely is

some people dont need to be told their damage dropoff now starts 5.34 game units earlier and their damage dropping to 18.35 per bullet at close range and 12.23 at far range

[fierce sinew]

those people wouldn't look

it's just naked design hostility at the section of the playerbase who does want to know

[cyan notch]

but people who do want to know can get that information

why would they prioritise something that caters only to a minority of the playerbase

[fierce sinew]

right, from third party sources at the expense of their own time and effort

because the game would be better

[fluid zenith]

The game would be better if it had a lot of things

[cyan notch]

(in the eyes of the said minority)

[fierce sinew]

nobody is directly harmed by more information being in the game

and the indirect harm is mostly just gatekeeping, which is fine

[fluid zenith]

Because the game totally works smoothly enough running on its own

[fierce sinew]

I'm saying the developers outsource information dissemination to dataminers, community figures etc

rather than make it available to the end user in app

[cyan notch]

i would assume its not an insignificant thing to try to cram single mechanic in the game into the game

there is literally no game that does this

[fluid zenith]

Yeah that's just it. If the data was already in the game as a base, you don't have to mess with gambling on stability while running a 3rd party app

[fierce sinew]

literally a codex with the internal documentation they already use

[fast swan]

would it be too much to ask to get a void staff blessing that makes the ball pass through all enemies?

[fierce sinew]

isn't an unreasonable ask

[cyan notch]

it probably is

[fluid zenith]

The ball doesn't do that already?

I could have sworn I've seen it do that multiple times

[fast swan]

no the ball stops on large units and ragers

[cyan notch]

you can already get that information you want outside the game why have unnecessary bloat that 1% of people use

[fierce sinew]

the fact that people defend the practice on the basis of it being even marginally more profitable I find comical

even granting that it would be, imagine choosing that specific corner to cut

[fluid zenith]

New patch: they fix the lack of information, but leave all the other problems alone

[fierce sinew]

every time the cash shop gets an update and perk/talent/stat descriptions are incomplete, it's not unreasonable to raise an eyebrow

you don't need to shrug your shoulders and think "there's some casual little timmy that benefits from this probably"

the fact that the third party apps exists in the first place shows there's demand for that information, so pretending that there's not is also kind of ?????

[fluid zenith]

Fixing the cash shop and not fixing actual problems is EA energy

[cyan notch]

like brutal momentum? idk if that passes through maulers/crushers

[fierce sinew]

if there were a feature complete ingame codex you would :^)

[cyan notch]

no this this easily found out

[fierce sinew]

sure, it's not a huge deal

[cyan notch]

tell me one game that has this mythical "feature complete ingame codex" ;3 xD ;p

[fierce sinew]

but anytime your end user has to hand test something instead of look it up, your documentation has failed

it's fine if that's not a priority to fix

but let's not pretend it's not an issue

[cyan notch]

still waiting

[violet yoke]

I have asked several people who love crying about this game the same question and still no answer

[fierce sinew]

it's not a unique problem to this game

not even close

it's just baffling to see people take a line like "if a critical mass of actors in the industry make some poor decision, it must be correct"

imagine even entertaining that

(I don't)

[weary idol]

warframe?

[fierce sinew]

it's very analogous to the rollback netcode discourse in fighting games

[weary idol]

actualy no warframe doesn't tell you the exact drop rates of enemy drops

even if it does say what they drop

hm

[fierce sinew]

prior to its widespread adoption there were the same kinds of self deprecating apologists for corner cutting at the expense of the playerbase, just because it was widespread

[cyan notch]

i dont know what the point of your last few sentences is tbh you seem to be just ranting to nobody

[fluid zenith]

You just don't want to

[fierce sinew]

I know you're not following, it's fine

[cyan notch]

idk if youre even replying to anyone saying "i find it comical and baffling blahblahblah"

what am i supposed to do with that information

[fluid zenith]

Now you're just strawmanning

[fierce sinew]

but someone scrolling later might think "maybe I should respectfully advance my own interests next time I communicate with developers for a change"

[violet yoke]

@fierce sinew this is psyker chat u may want to take your E-tiers to gen chat or something

[fierce sinew]

it's fine, I'll leave it be

[fluid zenith]

It's on brand for the Warhammer universe to have poor design apologists

[fresh reef]

Just had my first bluescreen

No idea what caused it but it sure was something

[sand wind]

Hello yall. Im making my first Psyker character soon, and I’ve heard the complaints about the class. Any tips I should know, or anything people could tell me that might be helpful?

[weary idol]

gun psyker is viable

but more practically an explanation of Psyker's unique weapons

[long wharf]

don't listen to Gun Psyker Enjoyer. play psyker with psyker weapons

[viscid cloak]

and according to Fatshark, Guns are psyker weapons

boom

counter-that

[long wharf]

according to Fatshark weapon customization isn't a part of the WH40k universe

against every example to the contrary

I wouldn't use FatShark's opinion as sensible, let alone correct

[sand wind]

Light customization is acceptable. According to lore, notable customization is illegal. Not an excuse though

[manic needle]

But also we're convicts being sent on suicide missions

[sand wind]

I should be able to switch between flashlight and bayonet

[shadow wigeon]

There are 3 staffs and one troll staff.

[tough pagoda]

This isn't call of duty.

[weary idol]

I'm going to split the staves into 2 camps because that's easier starting with

The Crowd Control staves- Trauma and Surge are both weapon with a high focus on CC with Surge being considered the better of the 2.
Surge launches force lightning with its right click which will select a random spread of enemies up to a max of...8? Who will then be zapped by lightning and staggered. It's also one of very few weapons capable of staggering Mutants and knocking back Poxbursters. Surge pays for this CC ability with absolute dogshit damage against anything that isn't flak armor, and its own natural inconsistency in staggering specific targets.

Trauma is a much more consistent charged explosion. Identical to Conflagration staff from Sienna if you ever played Vermintide. When full charged can knock down a large amount of enemies in a sizable radius. It's capable of dealing respectable damage to just about everything, but has extremely high peril generation that makes it difficult to use at best, and actively a bad weapon at worst.

The Actual Damage staves- Purgatus is a very simple and self explanatory flamethrower, and has synergy with Ascendant Blaze (level 30 feat)

Voidstrike however fires an infinite range ball of energy that can pierce through many enemies and has a large hitbox. It's generally agreed to be the most versatile of staves with respectable damage against everything short of crushers. The ball does also explode whenever it hits something, including enemies it has piercd through but it does disappointingly low damage and can be generally disregarded

[high agate]

I feel like they pulled the darkness type exactly because of that. not having a flashlight is a death sentence

[mental vortex]

all people who want basic features that are in most horde shooters are just wimps smh

this isnt cod

dev work very hard

[sand wind]

Thats actually really helpful, thank you! Il save this for reference

[weary idol]

The Duelling Swords- Effectively to Psyker what knife is to Zealot. Ridiculously high dodge distance boost, large amount of effective dodges, good cleaving light attacks, single target heavy attacks. Primary distinction between MKs is heavy attack combos with MKII having stab then overhead MKIV having stab and stab and MKV having overhead into overhead (as well as an AP light 3)

The Force Sword- Useless without the deflector blessing as it has extremely low damage. However it makes up for low damage with extreme utility having a 360 degree push, and a push attack with so much stagger it can knock down crushers as well as infinite effective dodges, also the activation special does enough damage to instant kill maulers on any difficulty and massively chunk anything else.

oh and also their unique melee

had to cut the message in half cause it was too long xd

Trauma isn't bad btw despite what people will tell you

It is a chore to use and extremely irritating to get used to but can be effective

even if the other staves are effective with less effort

[sand wind]

Understood.

[mental vortex]

purge epic

rest boring

[sand wind]

I was probably gonna use the flamethrower one cuz its cool

[mental vortex]

yeah but its long range is the worst out of all of them

so you better pray there is a good vet with a las or auto gun in your team

or a zealot I guess

not very fond of zealots

[weary idol]

I see a zealot with a knife and I just think about ogryn chats opinion of them

[mental vortex]

I see a zealot and I see a tunel visioned ammo hoarder who refuses to revive anyone

[weary idol]

Oh wow they aren't dying they're so good! But the enemies aren't dying ether.

[mental vortex]

thats my experience with them in heresy

[weary idol]

it gets worse in damnation

[mental vortex]

never playing damnation

[shut oak]

FS has unlimited dodge as well

[mental vortex]

in heresy its already impossible to even try to carry if your team is bad

[cyan notch]

idk about extremely low damage it does very respectable damage on headshot but yea if u hitting bodyshots then it sucks

[mental vortex]

dont even wanna think about damnation

[weary idol]

oh right need to edit that in

that's important

[weary idol]

can't one shot poxwalker

[cyan notch]

do other swords 1 shot?

[manic needle]

On 5's Force Swords dont

Barring the possibility of something exceptionally tricked out hitting a break point

[weary idol]

MK1 combat sword barely doesn't because I only have 50% finesse on mine xd but the others that have comparable rolls to my FS do

excluding my duelling swords for now because I have +infested on all of them

yeah every combat sword one shots on headshot with its sweeping heavy

I know MKV duelling sword will with its overhead heavies but showing it would be unfair because of mine being entirely built to kill poxwalkers

while my FS is just existing

ohp chainsword doesn't one shot

so it beats the chainsword

[cyan notch]

compared to other swords i dont think that justifies saying extremely low damage

[weary idol]

well it also fails to kill many other things faster than other weapons

anything that you can't justify using weapon special on the force sword struggles to kill

and a lot of things that you can justify using the special on...chainsword special will also kill

[hot zephyr]

FS heavy attack with warp charges up, psykinetic wrath feat, and +25% to infested can one shot poxes on damn. But I suppose that would count as "exceptionally tricked out".

[weary idol]

maulers, crushers, reapers, mutants, hounds and bulwarks are what the force sword is better at killing than any other weapon

[proud haven]

sheesh

[weary idol]

yo red rarity real 👀

[proud haven]

[cyan notch]

disagree compared to other swords

it isnt some crazy outlier with EXTREMELY LOW damage

[weary idol]

yeah it's not a crazy outlier it just misses every possible breakpoint that other weapons can hit

so it always takes 1 or 2 extra swings to kill things than a comparable sword

with the exceptions I listed earlier obv

demolishing those enemies isn't a bad thing, but it does infact suck against everything else

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. I main a force sword but when I pickup my chainsword and do the heavy sweeps it feels like I'm swinging a wrecking ball by comparison

[weary idol]

and the force sword gets way worse when accounting for cleave, especially when compared to any other sword

it's got great utility it just doesn't kill shit

kinda like ogryn paul/shield, or zealot crusher

[cyan notch]

it does not suck against everything else thats an exaggeration

[hot zephyr]

I disagree with "exceptionally" low damage. But would agree it does lower damage than other weapons. It's benefits are fast attack speed, it's charged special, amazing push, and it's unique ability to get deflector.

[cyan notch]

cuz chainsword body shots do more

[weary idol]

headshots from my chainsword do ~70 less damage than force sword heavies

[peak agate]

Worth for gunker? should a perk be changed?

reload speed seems replaceable

[flint turtle]

Even with six fucking charges a peril bomb cant one shot ragers

Fuck

This

Challenge

[weary idol]

no

[placid sorrel]

what is the best to weapon to deal with monstrosities? force sword?

[weary idol]

MK II is just the VId but worse in every way

[weary idol]

yeah force sword probably

[placid sorrel]

BB-ing monstrosity only does a smidge

[flint turtle]

Tbh

[sand wind]

Rollin with the pre order drip since none of the psyker cosmetics interest me

[flint turtle]

If they just changed it to like a horde it would be fine

I truly hate this achievement it's the last one of need

Of the aoe was bigger then a vet frag you might be able to blow up three gunners

[hot zephyr]

Yes this is viable. Change reload speed to +25% to flak armor, and pair with a force sword to deal with elites.

[flint turtle]

To bad it's noticeable smaller

[weary idol]

comms plex regularly spawns 4 man shotgun and gunner squads during the elevator sequence

can use trauma staff to knock them into a corner and blow yourself up

[devout sentinel]

until you discover the pen skins ; ) explo with 3 elties in here+ and 90% dmg on monstro

[flint turtle]

Doesn't excuse the awful design of the challenge

It actually

Tells you

To kill yourself

And cuck your team mates

[orchid venture]

whats even the strat for doing that? I'm not even sure how much damage you deal with the self explosion

maybe i just explode myself in meat grinder and see

[lethal crown]

so imagine these 2 shit tier staffs are the best you've seen in months, which one do you upgrade

A https://i.imgur.com/u4haE7D.jpg

or B https://i.imgur.com/VvCbe7c.jpg

[orchid venture]

A

[lethal crown]

considering neither blessing actually does much

and the damage difference doesn't come anywhere close to a breakpoint

[sand wind]

Yeah those are sexy

None of the paid cosmetics really call to me though

[orchid venture]

well... quell speed is pretty important, and damage isn't to necessary on it

[sand wind]

which is a good thing for my wallet

[orchid venture]

I'm actually gonna say B

[lethal crown]

see now that im noticing thats actually about a +20% quell speed difference somehow

[orchid venture]

yeah, quell speed is more important than damage on a surge staff, imo

[lethal crown]

+63.9% vs +41.8% so more than 20%

[high agate]

What Blessings/Perks are you looking for on Surge?

[north cradle]

Carapace damage, because even if it's mostly for stun, chipping away at a Crusher or Reaper is useful

[ashen schooner]

what are you looking for on a dueling sword, is this worth grabbing from melk?

[long wharf]

no duelling sword is

[flint turtle]

Personally I like rending it makes up for not having the space of BB on rough dudes like crushers while not giving up the speed of the dueling sword

[foggy whale]

which perk would you change, and to what? https://i.imgur.com/f8UtlDG.png

[flint turtle]

If you run kinetic deflect you can be stupid tanky

[flint turtle]

Tbh swap unyielding if you only want horde clear and shoot for infested or flak

If you plan on torching any bosses or reapers/bulwarks swap unarmored and try to get like flak

[covert valve]

this one is mine

[flint turtle]

I say flak as it's a shared type between a lot of elites or tougher fodder/shooters

You take infested to fuck over pox walkers and dogs

As currently only they have that armor type

[covert valve]

for me personally I pair this up with surge staff so that shreds any Flak armor. surge staff is weak to mutants and dogs and infested so thats what i use my dueling sword for

[flint turtle]

I use the quick draw

I run melee psyker

But I hate psyker rn

Out with a bang is stupid

I have everything else god dammit

[desert quartz]

going out with a bang was easier than i thought it'd be. just got into an empty lobby on heresy and did it within 5 minutes or so with a a few crushers

pick n' mix on the other hand has proven to be pretty difficult

and the last penance i need

best of luck on completing your last penance though

since all you can really hope for is luck

[leaden pier]

just ask here for a shield ogryn to tank a daemonhost for ya

[desert quartz]

yeah, that's the most ideal way to complete it & how i managed to do it with a nice group that was willing to help

still tedious, but at least it's done

[mild hornet]

What's the dump stat on surge staff?

[ornate hamlet]

Have you tried LFG

[fringe remnant]

Did the PR guys say the game couldn't have attachments at some point?

[manic needle]

These perk and Blessing rolls make me sad.

Unless both of those blessings end up being replaceable then this one is probably going into the trash heap :/

[north cradle]

Yeh, despite the fact we have picatinny rails on our weapons, and there was a lasgun without reflex sight in the trailer

[placid sorrel]

i like you can use voidstaff like an airburst grenade, aim slightly above enemy cover it will headshot them

[true shadow]

and despite the fact that every weapon is segmented and there are multiple different optics present for certain weapons

[shadow wigeon]

Is Warp Absorption with Void best?

[manic needle]

It's my go-to right now

[silk verge]

are there other melee weapons except the force sword with the blessing to block projectiles?

[manic needle]

No, FS is the only one

[silk verge]

ok thx, are there any builds for the psycher u can recommend?

[manic needle]

Depends on which staves you like, really

I dont have a lot of experience with Trauma staff, for example

and even less with gun psyker

[proven cipher]

Trauma suck is the general consensus

[manic needle]

Ive seen people cleaning up with it both in game and on stream at this point, so I dont pay much mind to general consensus anymore and just try to help people use the weapons that they like

[desert quartz]

that’s probably a good thing

[elfin roost]

The day trauma becomes useable is the day we find out Psyker has more than one semi viable damnation build

[covert valve]

hmm i run damnation with surge and voidstrike

[elfin roost]

Do you change up feats?

[covert valve]

yes

[manic needle]

If you want to see someone using Trauma on Damnation then watch NewTypeBTW when he plays his Psyker

I think he's still maining Trauma at least

[north cradle]

Voidstrike should have the Peril Damage one and Surge should have the Peril Resistance

[elfin roost]

What kind of lunatic mains trauma, much less psyker?

[fresh reef]

is quietude or absorption better for Void?

[manic needle]

Im more concerned about the Ogryn who mains Trauma Staff tbh

[fringe garden]

Trauma can be good if you have a really well rolled melee and find yourself using it a lot. Quickly generate lots of peril for quietude

[manic needle]

Now THATS scary

[fringe garden]

And use it to break up clumps at range

auto quell restores toughness with quietude.

[manic needle]

Its that and learning how to move tech and quell to abuse breaking points for staff spam

[north cradle]

Ogryn has a Trauma Staff, it's called the Power Maul

[covert valve]

choob a DAY AGO runs trama staff high intensity with PUGS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU9cqfKO9N0&ab_channel=chocoB

[cyan notch]

i saw that

hes maining bb 90% of the run

[silk verge]

well i like to purge the heretics in holy fire 😄

so i'm mostly using a purgatoris staff

[covert valve]

with trama staff lol damnation is what you asked for? now there is conditions on using it more than 50%? shouldnt he be penalized for not using a staff

[cyan notch]

i didnt ask for anything

[covert valve]

oh srry i meant the other guy

[silk verge]

well i also like to use bb most of the time and only use the staff for big hordes^^'

[placid sorrel]

only played psyker since last saturday, lvl 24 now but my guess is trauma is just ground AoE version of Void with "grenade"-like casting

[north cradle]

Yeah that sounds about right

[covert valve]

yeah its doable as different builds but might not be most optimal but high intensity is cleared

[silk verge]

hmm k seems like i should really watch some guids instead of just hoping to bb everything ^^'

[covert valve]

well it comes down to your personal playstyle. you can also do surge staff and not do BB or do void/fire with BB as well

[silk verge]

hmm so i can just stay with my flame staff for now and hard cast bb'S

[covert valve]

what exactly makes it hard to cast BB its mostly when ur at range when there isnt any threat

[flint turtle]

Watching a vet destroyed a group of 5 shot gunners in front of me while I'm trying to get out with a bang

[desert quartz]

same, except it was pick n mix

[elfin roost]

Im the other guy, but yes

[covert valve]

also for me it wasnt great until i got a viable firestaff

[elfin roost]

Psyker treads the line between "youre actively nerfing yourself" and "You can be helpful"

[covert valve]

i havnt been playing a lot of pug groups not sure what they are like on damnation but im curious on how many missions you played on psyker

[elfin roost]

Yeah though whether or not youre actively nerfing yourself is a difference between whether or not you have a good staff roll and how good you are at using said staves

[elfin roost]

Getting to level 25 was a journey in itself, feels longer than all the others but I cant tell whether its because more missions are lost or because its just that painful before you get absolute god rolls

[shadow wigeon]

Does non-charged attack with force sword count as warp attack? to proc warp absorb?

[elfin roost]

Not annoyed at all by gunners unless Im playing psyker because I know I dont have very good tools to deal with a pack of normal tiers

[covert valve]

yeah i put in some time with pskyer to get decent gear, learn the nuance and break points for the class. Also animation canceling on casts both primary and secondary is ur friend

[elfin roost]

How many of those didnt feel like suffering might I ask?

[covert valve]

for damnation I play with a premade; the ones that are high intensity will be rough and sometimes bowing down to bad RNG but i do enjoy pskyer as main

[elfin roost]

How can you deal with bad rng as a psyker?

[flint turtle]

I hope they change out with a bang next update

[covert valve]

what do you mean? stuff can happen especially on high intensity

[elfin roost]

I mean like how bad can it get before psyker can do absolutely nothing about it?

[flint turtle]

Depends on build

[sturdy meadow]

for an emperor's gift where I previously had no usable voidstrikes, this is pretty good

[elfin roost]

Ah yeah also, what are the specific animation cancels you mean

[flint turtle]

Out with a bang is slowly making me hate this game

[sturdy meadow]

my big 'n heavy axe, everyone leaves me in the dust when I sprint

[sturdy meadow]

I'm still upset, i killed 2 ragers and a shotgunner on Malice but it didn't count, so I guess it has to be ragers and ogryns

[covert valve]

not sure what you mean by this, we actually run 2 pskyers different builds most times in our damnation runs and we both have clutch our team (him mostly since hes got over 5k hours on vermintide and running a broken build with dueling sword can block every melee outside of the unblockable attacks)

[elfin roost]

Is there a point where no matter how good a psyker is they just cant fix something

[flint turtle]

If they don't change it I'll be shocked they kept the kill yourself challenge

[placid sorrel]

Seer sees a grenade
"(amused)OOoooOoh! .... (unamused) grenade."

[covert valve]

yeah its almost like sabotaging your team lol

[flint turtle]

Stick bomb, throw it and let gork and mork figure out if it should hit

[flint turtle]

Almost

[cyan notch]

ratiod

[proud mantle]

[flint turtle]

Block better

Coward

[sturdy meadow]

i remember when I got this as Ogryn with a shield... it was on a bridge with 12120894125105981 shooters and gunners

and 1 sniper

[proud mantle]

ive only played psyker lol

[sturdy meadow]

pets head carefully Spark 'ead will get it soon, promise.

[cyan notch]

u can probably get it with demonhost

[elfin roost]

YOOOOOOO!
grenade.

[sturdy meadow]

all the male psyker voices are great

i wish i could change between them

the unhinged one is fun but doesn't match my appearance haha

[elfin roost]

The german one makes me feel like he's gonna start saying "Oops, zat was not medicine"

[sturdy meadow]

"Archimedes, what are you doink in there! It is unsanitary!"

[placid sorrel]

when the seer does the long maniac laughter when using ability, i felt that

[alpine portal]

Whats the difference between rending and armor pennatration?
Does rending effect other players hits as well?

[alpine portal]

Harasy on orgyn can do this quickly lol. Just a few shooters

[fresh reef]

man some missions are just doomed from the start

had an ogryn run directly into a firing squad four times

[white sigil]

well i just created my first psyker

[fresh reef]

not even using his ability, just sprinting at them

[vagrant barn]

Honestly might make another psyker just to experience the other one. (not the goody tooshoes, holier than thou one)

[rocky zinc]

I accidentally did out with a bang when i was lvl 20 ish on psyker

[placid sorrel]

do you need to do some damage first on the elites or it will outright kill them with psyker grenade?

[rocky zinc]

depends

it 1 shots everything but ragers and ogryns

1 shots ragers up til malice i think tho

[olive ember]

Depends on difficulty and enemies

[proven cipher]

Seem like pysker's heresy penance is the only one that requires your team to corporate.

[devout belfry]

Any of my siblings remember that Reddit post or Discord staff member discussing what controls the item level of shop offerings?

[heavy wigeon]

It's purely determined by character level.

[devout belfry]

Do you have a link to the dev commenting on it?

[elfin roost]

Its funny how voidstrike either hits like a wet noodle or cannon ball depending whether it hits the head or not

[heavy wigeon]

I could try to find you a screenshot from Hedge stating the same thing, but honestly I don't think a screenshot is necessary at this point in time given that the formula for the item rating range visible in the Armory has been seen in the datamined code along with large sample sizes of tests from j_sat and others on the same topic.

People have even advanced through the game using only the same grey starting weapons and never buying anything from the shop/avoiding or destroying Emperor's Gifts.

It's been definitively proven to be character level and only that.

If you can recall the forum username of the dev in question, I could try to find their specific post.

[ornate hamlet]

Yay or nay?

[proud mantle]

nay but i also just hate melk

[ornate hamlet]

Melk?

[proud mantle]

the shopkeep for that currency

the entire contract system for mediocre rolls is so exhausting

first blessing is bad on the staff, the perks are good though, and the dump stat for void ive heard is blast radius so it's almost good

i'd check how different the quell speed timing is for that vs a high roll in quell speed

and you can make a judgement call from there, overall i'd say it's ok if you dont have any other decent void to use. if you do have any other void with only blast radius being bad id say nay

[proud mantle]

yeh hold up

[round charm]

decent stick if I say so myself

[north cradle]

Who let these Blessings for staves pass QA?

[round charm]

Hadron 7-7

[sonic coral]

next time you guys open cosmetics, look at the size of your character's tiny baby feet compared to their forearm length :^)

[steel egret]

Now thats a "high peril" staff

[steel flame]

Wow Fatshark, Now thats just taking the piss.

[round charm]

are they wrong?

[steel flame]

thats what makes it so much worse

[sonic coral]

the first game developer in history to make RNG so integral to the experience that it even applies to what makes it into each patch

[austere estuary]

[ornate hamlet]

Hot damn.

[austere estuary]

the ironic twist is surge is the staff I play least by far

[fast swan]

Wrack and Ruin buff idea: brainbursting elite also gives next melee attack one guaranteed crit for 7 seconds

[manic needle]

Oh hey look its the staff Ive been looking for. SHame about the Blessing/Perk but hopefully both can be replaced in the very near future

[sonic coral]

game is powered by monkey's paw

[austere estuary]

yeah perk is terrible particularly in this case

[austere estuary]

100% is

[manic needle]

Warp Flurry doesnt do anything unless you interrupt your attack and lose out on the big damage burst at the end

[sour bison]

checked melk every day, not a single good item yet