psyker-class

[orchid nest]

I think the nerf will simply be that passive quelling on non force weapons will be changed

[manic halo]

Look at fucking scrooge mick duck over here with that plasteel

give it to me god damn

mf is slumming it in this discord or something

[manic needle]

Why else would they gave us the option to buy a clown suit in advance?

[clear heath]

I wonder if it ever gets to the point where stamina is more effective than block cost reduction on a weapon, since so many force sword users go for 20% block cost reduction

With so little base stamina, maybe +1 stamina would do more

I wish i knew the actual formula for block cost reduction. If it's just -% to stamina damage, and if it's all additive with eachother, stacking it should be more

[orchid nest]

It's definitely possible with only being able to speculate on the block efficiency

[clear heath]

but i have a feeling that isn't how it works

[summer prairie]

Block cost is listed as an additive multiplier rather than a multiplicative one

[cyan notch]

i swapped my 20% block eff for 1 stamina and it doesnt seem to be making a difference for peril gain

[summer prairie]

ok actually I'm not sure, it's listed as both

[orchid nest]

If the stam curios were working right just a single one would be pretty insane. Although I saw someone claim it's just a visual error. Anyone know more on that?

[cyan notch]

the bars definitely dont add up

[summer prairie]

I think it's actually multiplicative

[cyan notch]

it only adds 1 bar

[brisk panther]

with deflector, kinetic deflector and a total of 46% block efficiency and 22% stam regen it just feels enough to me. generally when i take dmg its when i clear for someone else and have to position myself in suboptimal spots

[summer prairie]

block_cost_multiplier = "multiplicative_multiplier", and that's the one curios have

[brisk panther]

in DT its 1 stam bar = 1 stam right? not as in VT where it was 2 stam for 1 shield?

[steel egret]

When I first saw them I presumed it was Vermintide 2 rules how it adds block

[orchid nest]

I thought that at first too but I think the +stamina on weapons is just 1 for 1

[steel egret]

Then I tried and thats not the case

[summer prairie]

+3 stamina is a ton, I'm leaning on them nerfing it from +3 to +1 and just not updating the text strings/localizations properly

[steel egret]

Such a shitshow.

[manic needle]

Who can say? Fatshark certainly isn't.

[orchid nest]

Yeah absolutely, to the point where a single +3 stam curio working right probably trumps the entire block efficiency investment you're running there Bror

[steel egret]

Right

[leaden dune]

Is this worthwhile you think

[summer prairie]

not at all

[orchid nest]

I got excited until I saw the crit bar

[summer prairie]

flurry doesnt do anything and nexus doesn't even really make up for the crit bar

[leaden dune]

but its my first staff melk has offered in like 4 days

5 days

:c

[manic needle]

Make your own staffs, and then cry when you get Run N' Gun on every single one.

[orchid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-gif-5781792

me before noticing the crit bar but seeing the other stuff

[manic halo]

I have a irrational hatred of the run and gun blessing

only get it on las pistoles

[manic needle]

It's not irrational

[manic halo]

thats true

its entirely justified

[brisk panther]

yeah, just wish we could actually know if it works...

i was using a +2 stam curio until i learned that it only gives +1. so would def use a +3 if we knew it work

[orchid nest]

Yeah for sure

[summer prairie]

I think "Attack Stamina Damage" in that formula is just the block_cost_multiplier of the attack. For daemonhost melee it's 3.5. It is then modified by your own multipliers and then fed into that formula

[blissful crypt]

My spyker gets like 90% transcendant autocannons

[spice bough]

this game RNG is a joke

[coarse oyster]

Why do even get non-warp/caster ranged weapons as a Psyker is beyond me

[hot zephyr]

How is that evil? Get a second blessing on that and refine it to +25% to flak or +25% maniacs and it's essentially perfect.

[fringe garden]

Except that block reduction doesn't preclude me having 3 20% health or toughness bonuses

[manic needle]

Having them in your arsenal is fine, even if I personally dislike Gun Psyker builds. The problem is with shop itemization and being a Psyker just makes that problem more apparent.

[orchid nest]

Sure, but it was more of a very specific example. Depends what other stuff you have on your curios. If you have so much invested you could also have more health/toughness perks and replace the roll on your weapon too. More of just an interesting topic to discuss than hard claiming anything.

I usually just have all health ones lately or 2 health and 1 wound. I could see never being tempted to have a wound though too if they implemented that pay for mission buffs system with one of them being an extra wound.

[coarse oyster]

even BL2 had better shop itemization (and a badass advertisement if I might add, hahahah)

[manic needle]

Yeah, the itemization alone has been making me less and less enthusiastic about playing Darktide lately

[orchid nest]

I don't think we will get some big patch this week but hopefully we get a hotfix at least and a community update

[spice bough]

https://tenor.com/view/borderlands3-guns-with-legs-everybodygangstatill-borderlands-walking-gun-gif-13821391

[hot zephyr]

See my assessment is quite different. The itemization system of rolls and blessings makes such a tiny difference that it's not worth min maxing in my mind. The difference between a 345 item and a 380 if the stat distribution is good on both is highly marginal. In some cases it's not even big enough to feel any real difference

Yes having a really key blessing can make a huge difference, such as the case of deflector on force swords

[orchid nest]

Yeah it's all over the place really. That is true sometimes for the blessings, and then randomly some of them are incredibly powerful and on a completely different tier from "normal" ones.

[hot zephyr]

A great example is a have a 312 base stat autogun, it happened to highroll and got +25% to maniacs and +15 sustained fire blessing. For something lacking 65+ stat points, it sure doesn't feel like it. It just annihilates mutants and flamers even better than some of my 360+ rating weapons

[manic needle]

Yeah so this is a large part of why I disagree with you and why I feel the way I do about it. Especially right now when we lack the ability to modify the blessings on weapons.

Also frankly if modifying a weapon's blessing locks the second one in permanently, I'm doubling down and probably moving on as soon as the next big horde shooter comes out.

Trying to get a good combination of perks and blessings on your weapons for the builds that you want is a shitshow.

[steel egret]

This can be attributed to some weapons having modifiers which dont matter if they are 0 or 80 as they either dont affect damage or are for mobility.

[hot zephyr]

I agree it's very hard. If you are someone who likes to optimize stats and builds this Borderlands style rolls and gambling system certainly would feel bad.

[steel egret]

For purga staff also damage allows it to be low as 70% while still having 16 on damage number

Or 71% dont have these memorized

[orchid nest]

The thing that feels bad to me is I'm fairly confident we are just mostly wasting time on all gear that will always be non relevant because the highest rated stuff isn't even in. At least in v2 if you roll an orange there it can basically be as good as a red. But I have a feeling they will just raise the 380 cap without any way to upgrade ratings on what we have.

[clear heath]

Ok so between these two swords, even with the lower level of deflector, the stamina one was actually better for blocking
Going from 3 -> 4 bars of stamina is more effective than 20% block efficiency
Also my curios have 10%+10%+12% block efficiency if that matters to anyone

So if you're not running stamina curios and you want 20% block eff on your sword, go +1 stamina instead

[steel egret]

If getting oranges is as fun as in vermintide 2 we are somewhat fucked.

[clear heath]

wow now i need to spend another 10 minutes rerolling perks

[cyan notch]

i was trying to test this how did you arrive at the conclusion?

[manic needle]

It's not even purely about optimization in terms of numbers. As mentioned, getting good perks and blessings on your weapons can make a huge difference in your build, so relying on RNG makes putting different builds together frustratingly difficult.

[clear heath]

this guy did 6% on the stam sword, 7% on the block eff sword

[steel egret]

Gotta swap my efficiency then, I figured it was probably the case with so many testimonies.

[manic needle]

Just ask any of the people who have posted here who still havent managed to get the deflector perk on a Force Sword, or as an even better example, the Surge blessing on a Force Staff

[orchid nest]

It can certainly be improved longevity wise, saying that as someone with nothing left to do there. But I think the direction they are going we aren't even doing anything meaningful at all right now other than hoarding mats.

[cyan notch]

is it a consistent 7? mine both hit for 7

[steel egret]

There is ridicilous amount of stuff they could do, but they most likely go easiest route

Or dont know since its fatshark

[clear heath]

It seemed pretty consistent. It was the same attack animation too

[orchid nest]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[steel egret]

Might just fuck it up and come up with some convoluted system.

[clear heath]

Ideally i'd like to test on a mauler so i'd have a bigger number to see what the difference is, but trying to find a mauler to test is annoying

[steel egret]

Would be nice if testing area actually allowed testing such.

[clear heath]

yeah this is annoying to test
I wish i actually knew the exact formula for block eff

Is 50% block efficiency 50% more effective blocks, or 50% reduction in stamina cost per hit, leading to 2x more effective blocks?

because if it's the latter, then it scales better the more you have it. If it's the former, then it's basically linear

do different sources of block efficiency add together or do they multiply? Are they additive or multiplicative with deflectors block cost reduction?

I wish i could test easily

[steel egret]

Hm, +1 stamina and 20 efficiency + curios with efficiency and stamina.

[clear heath]

I imagine stamina is less effective for this per point the more you stack. I just went from 3 stam to 4, so the difference is probably bigger than say, going from 6 stam to 7

You'd probably want block eff if you already had a ton of stamina curios, but again i'm not sure because i have no idea how block eff works in the first place

[cyan notch]

if its the same as vt2 then its just block cost reduction

aka multiplicative with stamina damage taken

[clear heath]

Do you think deflector is considered the same effect or a separate instance?

[cyan notch]

probably same

this was from the steam guide with guy that does numbers

on curio perk

[clear heath]

Like would 50% block eff and 12% deflector leave you with 38% stam damage taken, or 0.88 * 0.5 for 44% stam damage taken?

[hot zephyr]

I agree, it's a real problem right now at least that deflector is pure rng to acquire. I think that when they finish the crafting system that the 'earn blessing' function will help that. But I can't know that for sure. I highly doubt you'll get to pick both blessings tho. I also seriously doubt the combine blessings function will work like some think it will either.

[cyan notch]

38% i think theyre the same

just fatshark wording

[hot zephyr]

Yeah they just stack additively but it's honestly hard to test because you can't test defenses in the meat grinder.

[clear heath]

I hope it becomes a feature so i can test out different blocking setups

and toughness breakpoints for tanking damage if any useful ones exist

[manic needle]

Deflector, Surge, Bloodthirster, Decimator, Infernus, Power Cycler, Slaughterer, Transfer Peril... there are so many blessings that actually make a pretty big difference hidden among a sea of virtually useless ones.

Sadly, I share your doubts and am not very optimistic about my future prospects with this game.

[viscid cloak]

is deflector really that necessary on the force sword?

[manic needle]

This, at least, will be mostly solved once you can queue up for solo games finally.

[manic needle]

It's really good for pairing with the Kinetic Deflection Feat. It makes rescuing downed teammates amid a sea of ranged enemies fairly effortless, especially if you stack Stamina and/or Block Efficiency perks.

[viscid cloak]

i can see a use on reviving teammates, but other people in here make it seem like a crutch to rely on

[steel egret]

I think it just allows safer movement and rescue and carry action.

[hot zephyr]

Technically speaking it's actually not required at all. You can avoid ranged damage by simply taking cover, the rest of what makes the build work relies on what kinetic deflection does (block with peril instead of stam) and technically works with any weapon.

[manic needle]

It's not essential, even on a Kinetic Deflectoin build, but it does ad a lot of utility by adding the ability to block ranged attacks, which is rather uncommon.

[hot zephyr]

It definitely becomes a crutch if you depend on gap closing with it

[leaden dune]

i almost feel like deflector is neccesary

gun enemies just deal too much damage on damnation

[manic needle]

Its a shame that suppression doesnt work very well on Dreg Shooters.

[steel egret]

Its there for its utility value.

[viscid cloak]

i never really have a problem on gap closing on ranged enemies, but mostly because i use guns instead of staff, so i could see the argument of deflector being a quality of life thing for a staff psyker

[hot zephyr]

The ability to just walk up to a ranged enemy while blocking is a hard habit to break. I honestly am glad I switched off to my chainsword for a while from my force sword cus I was definitely getting into some bad reflexes just hitting block whenever I needed to close with a ranged enemy playing to much deflector sword

[steel egret]

Laspistol force push has like 21m range.

[clear heath]

wait if all the sources just add together, then my result doesn't make sense.
Either they don't, or I fucked up testing. 4 stamina and losing the 20% block eff should just be worse, but it ended up better
I need to test again on a mauler to make sure

[steel egret]

Or then it was 11m.

Either way if thats the gun you use you can probably close some distance

[viscid cloak]

I WANT TO LOVE THE LAZPISTOL, I REALLY DO, but the sway and the damage drop off on that thing is too painful compared to revolver

[leaden dune]

might be a hot take but like

why play psyker if you're gonna use a gun?

why not just go veteran?

[clear heath]

cold take

[steel egret]

But it has toughness blessing and higher crit

[leaden dune]

feel like at that point you basically just become vet with a worse power

[orchid nest]

Does the laspistol push do any damage? like even a miniscule amount. It would be funny if you could proc bloodthirsty, swap to it, and spam aoe burns on everything by using the special

[viscid cloak]

i actually never seen the thoughness blessing yet

[steel egret]

I have only seen 4% version

[manic needle]

Steal veterans' ammo as revenge for stealing your brain burst kills.

[leaden dune]

i feel like the end goal of psyker is never having to touch your power ever

[steel egret]

But seen said blessing on some ogryn weapons and it goes higher than 4 supposedly

[steel egret]

Never to BB

[leaden dune]

yes

I know BB isn't really your power but whatever

close enough

[steel egret]

Just as devs intended

[viscid cloak]

i havent played vet so i dont know lmao, but if one thing psyker has is adaptability, a Veteran with a bolter wont be shooting at ranged enemies too much or he will waste too much ammo

[leaden dune]

I use MK 12 Lasgun on Vet

I really don

like the bolter

[steel egret]

Conservative fire is not their strongest suite.

Need some ammo men

[leaden dune]

just use the mk 12, the 100 round mag is such a meme

[orchid nest]

I don't see many bolters on damnation, mostly mk 12 lasgun and braced autogun

[leaden dune]

in a good way

[steel egret]

Well some do fine.

[steel egret]

Sometimes zealot with one and one with flamer.

[cyan notch]

speaking of bolters

[orchid nest]

Yeah that's true, I do see zealots with them actually. I should have specified vet

[manic needle]

It's not. BB is very effective against bombers, gunners, snipers, and human sized enemies besides flamers in general. And a well-timed pre-charged BB can be very effective even if it doesnt one shot your target.

[steel egret]

Zealot could run revolver all I care.

[leaden dune]

i use it for distant elites and thats about it though it might not even oneshot

[manic needle]

Although I will say that Kinetic Barrage makes a really big difference in terms of usability. BB without it still feels rather painful a lot of the time.

[viscid cloak]

Brain burst is a blessing for gun psykers for hitting breakpoints and just there to kill elites and specials while we can keep a gun for generaly anti-shooters, though i use the Revolver anyway because reliability

[steel egret]

I dont do BB without time cut to it.

Has you stuck on it too long otherwise if situation really calls for your BB.

[orchid nest]

I feel like I should post that vet autogun video again. It's just.. silly.

[viscid cloak]

i mean, for me i just pull out my revolver and headshot that one bomber harassing my team, they only need 1 bullet to the face to perish

[steel egret]

The invincible autogun build one?

[orchid nest]

Yeah haha

[viscid cloak]

otherwise, if hes not being a problem, ill save some bullets just pre-charging brain burst against incoming specials

[steel egret]

I dont know how but I stumbled on that somewhere, might have even been steam community posts.

[orchid nest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zyl6g1/youre_the_only_ranged_dps_but_you_brought_a/

this one

[steel egret]

Yeah thats the one

[manic needle]

I'd like to see a skilled gun Psyker in action, maybe that will sell me on them being at least somewhat competitive with veterans.

[viscid cloak]

Why are we trying to be competitive with veterans?, that dosent make sense

[manic needle]

Okay, then what niche are you hoping to fill by using a gun?

[viscid cloak]

i have a gun for anti-ranged ( and sometimes against elites and specials when i need them dead NOW) and brain burst for picking off elites and specials with kinectic barrage

[viscid cloak]

my own enjoyment

i dont like staffs

tried em, dint like em

dont hate em,just dont like em

[orchid nest]

It's not really unreasonable from someone elses point of view to want someone filling a specific role to be as good at it as the best ones are for it if you're on high difficulties. I wouldn't begrudge you doing whatever personally but you can surely see it from their perspective

[viscid cloak]

• i really dont care what "Niche" i fill when using a gun as psyker, because i dont even think about it in the first place *

[frigid marten]

it really matter only on damnation

the other difficulty is whatever.

[steel egret]

Eh

[hot zephyr]

I am similar. I use my gun as anti cc specialists. I use it take out bombers, mutants, flamers, and ragers since on higher difficulties brain burst doesn't usually have the time to charge to deal with them.

[steel egret]

I would like there to be some responsibility to be useful even in heresy

[viscid cloak]

damnation i have yet to try, but i feel like its gonna be cataclysm, wich i dont play anyways

[steel egret]

But even in heresy people lick windows and fall down, break barrels and fly

Walk to daemonhost

[hot zephyr]

The extra health is really harsh on brain burst breakpoints. Damnations I find the gun is absolutely key to dealing with specialists

[steel egret]

But you can always make a premade to alleviate this issue

So w/e

[viscid cloak]

brain burst just really needs to scale better with the warp charges

[manic needle]

Honestly that lines up with how I see the playstyle being used generally, but it would be nice if they at least offered enough support for the build to be competitive and effective even on the highest difficulties.

[mighty pike]

worth buying?

[hot zephyr]

KB is practically mandatory to knock down bulwarks, I find BB is more like a can opener to stun bulwarks so the vet can blast them during the stun

[steel egret]

No

[manic needle]

And by "they" I mean Fatshark.

[summer prairie]

If you want to run ordo dockets that is ok

[manic needle]

Otherwise it does feel like a lot of these weapons are just eating up space in the armory rotation, to me at least.

[viscid cloak]

for me its the opposite, i would gadly pay ordos to never have staffs in my shop lol

[hot zephyr]

Psyker passives are really what stack with guns the most

[viscid cloak]

still havent found one knife without a goddamn dumpstat

[steel egret]

I have 3-4 380 rifle.

Only 1 staff.

[hot zephyr]

Rapid fire weapons will trigger the passive quell quite often, and the extra elite damage plus warp siphon damage plus perks really stacks up if you use the right weapon to get full advantage of base damage values. Percent buffs are much stronger on high base damage weapons. That's why Mk1 Agrippa and MG12 Kantrel are quickly becoming my go tos over other guns

[manic needle]

Most of my 380's have been Tactical Axes, Autoguns, or Lasrifles.

[viscid cloak]

pretty sure the passive quell applies to staffs anyways, thats their specialization, killing/CC ing the horde

[cyan notch]

what level 5 feat do u use

[lucid horizon]

no

better with +20 health

[steel egret]

+21

[lucid horizon]

and +8 revive speed kinda 💩

[viscid cloak]

myself i use the 30% thoughness regeneration on warp charge gain

[summer prairie]

presumably he'll roll that and if he wants ordo dockets it's okay

[lucid horizon]

i never seen +21

[steel egret]

I have 3.

[lucid horizon]

give me one

pls

[steel egret]

Ok

[lucid horizon]

thanks

[steel egret]

Np

[viscid cloak]

i have an ogryn with 24% and its actually pretty nice, though i wish my psyker could have that instead of my ogryn

[hot zephyr]

I've been testing both quietitude and warp essence lately. I think warp essence is slightly better in lower difficulties while quietitude is better in higher difficulties because your BBs don't kill as often in damnation

[summer prairie]

psyker doesn't particularly need it though unless you are about to be hit by a disabler

[lucid horizon]

yeah but if u have a good team that doesn't die u don't need thta

[cyan notch]

what is warp essence is that essence harvest or warp absorption

[steel egret]

I use quietitude.

[viscid cloak]

You say as if it will never happen

[hot zephyr]

Essence harvest. Sorry. Warp absorb is awful with guns.

[lucid horizon]

xDddddD

[steel egret]

Rando heresy and malice

Anything can happen

2 zealots lauch themself to moon with a barrel

Veteran searches for scriptures in a match with none and gets stuck after rest have gone down a ledge.

2 psykers who only use BB and get downed to point they run out of wounds.

[viscid cloak]

im not going to argue with "What iffs", they are pointless, experience tells me they are revelant enough

[steel egret]

You are right

[hot zephyr]

I've been messing around with damnation builds for gun psyker and honestly some of the perks that have been written off as trash really come into their own at damnation level

[viscid cloak]

wich ones you have in mind?

curious

[hot zephyr]

Psykinetic Wrath for example, (the feat not the ultimate) really helps hit breakpoints in damnation for example. The cool down reduction of Aura is also super helpful if you need to bust a group of specials cus you can use your ULT as a CC/push, then mow down the specials with your gun and have the ULT almost back up immediately.

It's nothing game breaking, but you really feel brain burst become a much more niche ability and your melee and ranged weapons become much more important

[viscid cloak]

Sacrificing my 4% chance for warp charge is gonna be though loss for me...

but i see the use

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. It's honestly hard. Communion vs Aura is a tough choice.

And honestly KF falls off at damnation too cus your brain burst isn't dealing killing blows so your aren't maintaining stacks as easily

So Communion honestly still very good

[cyan notch]

i rerolled my 20% block eff to 1 stam and tested on mauler swipe
3 stam + 53% block eff = 29% peril
4 stam + 33% block eff = 27% peril

so yea 1 stam is better than 20% block eff at least at from 30 - 50% dont know how it scales

[covert valve]

which melee weapon cuz each has different block eff

[summer prairie]

The code is confusing but it looks like bcr is not additive

[cyan notch]

its the same weapon

i rerolled my perk

[covert valve]

sorry i mean which weapon are you using

[clear heath]

nice
I'm wondering what the block efficiency formula is now, since that doesn't really make sense if the different sources of block eff just add together

[cyan notch]

fs

well my deflector is only 3% i have 30% from curios

[remote tusk]

Isnt block efficiency with perils still bugged?

[covert valve]

i wonder if 20% block eff goes farther on a dueling sword V it definely feels that way stacking it on the curios

[steel egret]

What do you mean?

[clear heath]

@cyan notch I tried doing the math here but it doesn't really line up with our results if block eff adds together. Maybe it works differently than what i'm assuming

[cyan notch]

why would it im pretty sure all weapons block the same

[hot zephyr]

Basically for gun psyker feats targeting damnation/heresy play, quietitude I think becomes the only viable lvl 5 choice at damnation the others won't consistently Regen when you need it. LVL 10 feat I think Wrath is better than the warp resist for a gun/fs build for the breakpoints it hits. At LVL 15 Aura vs Communion is hard, haven't settled that yet. LVL 20 you take deflection, LVL 25 KF is kinda the best of a bad bunch and LVL 30 you need KB so you can chain burst bulwarks and crushers.

[remote tusk]

Like a week ago someone reported that there is a bug with block efficiency bonuses when using the perils on block which can translate to increased perils rather than reduced.

[clear heath]

I don't think it does actually. A demonhost does 16% peril at most to me with 0% block efficiency and no stamina boosts on a dueling sword
but even with a bunch of block eff stacked together, demonhosts seem to do 20%+ against a force sword

[remote tusk]

Take with a grain of salt

[clear heath]

I tried testing this and couldn't replicate the issue. Block efficiency seems to work fine. Maybe the guy testing it didn't know stamina effected peril block and took off a stamina curio during the test

he didn't have a video so we'll never know what the conditions were

[cyan notch]

yea its pretty hard to reverse engineer with incomplete information

[clear heath]

maybe they had a warp charge and had peril res on warp charge

[steel egret]

I mean its no unheard of that such happens

[cyan notch]

i have noticed that now that you mention it

[covert valve]

try it tank 3 ragers with the dueling sword then with force sword and ull see even dueling sword only has 2 stam it tanks them longer

[steel egret]

But

Fs has 2 too

Or you mean 4 all together?

[cyan notch]

maybe block eff is multiplicative with the weapons own block cost reduction

[clear heath]

Can you list all your different sources of block efficiency? Trying to figure out how this formula works

[orchid nest]

doesn't DS have a defense bar? what does that do again? does it do anything for block?

[clear heath]

My DS doesn't have a defenses bar

[cyan notch]

3 stam + 30% curio + 3% deflector + 20% weapon perk = 29%
4 stam + 30% curio + 3% deflector = 27%

[manic needle]

How much of a damage difference on your guns does having full stacks of warp charge make, in practical terms? Does the 12% boost seem noticable?

[clear heath]

thanks

[orchid nest]

Oh.. maybe it's only one of the variants

[cyan notch]

only push cost and dodge

[orchid nest]

Ah ok

[cyan notch]

but even in vt2 some weapons did have varying block cost reductions and they never disclosed that officially

it was just kinda known

[orchid nest]

yeah

[clear heath]

Also what difficulty was it?

I assume it doesn't matter

but just to make sure

[cyan notch]

both malice

[clear heath]

alright

[covert valve]

yes thats what im saying bcuz on ogryn your block eff 20% is way better on a sheild than on a dagger which sucks for blocking

[clear heath]

gonna try with only 3% block cost reduction from deflector and nothing else, and see what happens

[hot zephyr]

I really notice it on the Agrippa and kantrel. I don't always focus on maintaining stacks cus that's hard but when you get into a sustained combat situation you really notice the difference. In particular the kantrel gets pushed over several key breakpoints both on body and weak spots and you can go full beast mode with it.

[cyan notch]

yea that would make sense

[covert valve]

DS V has defensive stat yea

[cyan notch]

gonna take a while to find 2 maulers again lmao

[clear heath]

yeah i've been trying for 15 minutes with a friend to find 1 mauler and i can't

game just wants to send 20 reapers instead

[cyan notch]

you could try crusher

[clear heath]

Yeah but you already have mauler numbers so i wanna test on mauler to compare

I wanna see exactly how much the curios and shit are helping

because they clearly don't just add together

[summer prairie]

some weapons have a different stamina template which affects block costs, FS uses forcesword_p1_m1 and it has a bit different values

some comparisons, not sure how to interpret though

[clear heath]

yeah i assume the block_cost_default is what's making the difference for different weapons

[covert valve]

maybe inner means inside the radius infront of ur block and outer is like behind you?

[cyan notch]

yes

[summer prairie]

I guess this is DS

[covert valve]

ninjafencer lol!

[cyan notch]

force sword takes 1.5 block cost wtf

[hot zephyr]

Yeah that would explain why we all think kinetic deflection is so mandatory with it. Cus otherwise your block just breaks so easy

[covert valve]

i got this thing with 12% block eff on curios and no extra stam, its insane I dont req to run the peril on block

[bold flint]

rending shockwave doesnt seem very good

[summer prairie]

that's the peril block

[clear heath]

ok so apparently it builds up peril completely and even hurts toughness through the block

[cyan notch]

what attack is that

[clear heath]

downward swing

wait which attack did you test on?

[cyan notch]

u cant block overheads

[clear heath]

fuk

[cyan notch]

you gotta get side swiped

its a fast side swipe

[hot zephyr]

The fact you didn't get downed instantly by an overhand is impressive imo.

[clear heath]

Well, it's just malice

also toughness was full

was

[hot zephyr]

Ah. Ok. Still. Pretty impressive

I think even on malice I can get instant downed by an overhand mauler. And that's with FS + 6% deflector + 10% block eff + deflection

[cyan notch]

i dont think so

this game is more lenient with overheads

in vt2 you could block overheads so the punishment for not doing so was greater

[clear heath]

well it's a super slow attack

so it doing a lot of damage is expected

[manic needle]

I remember people I played with being surprised that you can be instantly downed by an overhead attack on higher difficulties, so Im pretty sure it's not instant death on Malice as well

[cyan notch]

i dont think overheads are instant down from full health even on damnation

could be wrong tho

[placid pike]

ffs the new skin for psyker staff has serious clipping issues. If only I can refund this

[manic needle]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Ive been blindsided by a Crusher at full or near full health and gotten punished with being downed, I guess I could go back and test it the next time Im on.

[clear heath]

Well remember, you take 0% health damage if you're full toughness

[hot zephyr]

Yeah it's possible I was already damaged or something. It's been a while. I just remember yesterday I got caught by a surprise mauler overhand for the first time in a while and just instant dropped. Was on malice too

[clear heath]

I didn't take any hp damage cause my toughness was full

although considering i even had 2 toughness left after the attack, i don't think it should deal all your hp even with 0 toughness

[frigid marten]

melee damage is alwais incread on toughness.

crusher i think is 10x on tough?

[cold elm]

Hold up

Your saying the more toughness I have the more melee damage I do?

[frigid marten]

no

[manic needle]

Melee damage recieved

[cold elm]

Or did I understand you incorrectly

[manic needle]

not dealt

[cold elm]

Ah.

[frigid marten]

toughness take more damage than health

against certain enemies

this is why health curio tend to be better.

[cyan notch]

idk if its the same here but in vt2 even if some moves were unblockable, blocking those said moves anyway resulted in less damage taken

[manic needle]

The only maybe decent argument I've seen for taking toughness over health on curios is that toughness can provide a bit of a buffer against a Force Staff charge attack being interrupted vs. ranged.

Even then that seems like it would be trivial considering that our base toughness pool is 100.

[cyan notch]

the one i heard a lot was “only ranged breaks toughness for psyker and i never get hit by melee”

[manic needle]

Just dont get hit bro

ez game

[clear heath]

bots keep killing my maulers...

why can't the bots just die when i want them to?

[manic needle]

Introduce them to some explosive barrels

[foggy isle]

Does more health also provides more resistance to corruption or is it always a% of max heath?
Is it even worth looking for both corruption réduction buffs on curios?

[supple skiff]

frontline psyker is where its at' those folks need to get with it

[cyan notch]

yea corruption damage is flat numbers

[full kite]

I always get messed up in melee cause I run up to things to lightning then 😔

[cyan notch]

so health helps

[orchid nest]

coherency regen is also static as far as I know. so lower toughness in coherency actually helps vs chip damage

[full kite]

How does dueling sword hold up against horde btw

I am struggling with force sword

[clear heath]

I run mostly toughness cause i feel like we die pretty fast if something hits our health anyways

[summer prairie]

DS is easy mode horde clear but not very fast.

[clear heath]

I'd rather prevent health damage than try to tank more with it

[viscid cloak]

except you cant prevent health damage at all

[orchid nest]

The problem is a lot of dangerous stuff has a ridiculous multiplier to toughness and the extra amount ends up mitigating a lot less than the health you gained by having a health curio instead

[foggy isle]

Dueling sword is amazing to me
I only run force when I'm tired of getting shredded long range

[clear heath]

You don't take bleedthrough at 100% toughness anymore

[full kite]

I feel like I need a babysitter when I play lightning staff 😔 but then I really like force sword single target damage against elites and specials cause teammates don’t kill things I stun

[viscid cloak]

thoughness isnt a shield, its a damage reduction

[clear heath]

It's 100% damage reduction at 100% toughness

[cloud heron]

You can be plenty mobile with the lightning staff. It's the purge staff that you need a babysitter for

[clear heath]

bleedthrough only happens below 100% now. Used to always do 10% chip damage but not anymore

[foggy isle]

Too bad it has the same proprieties as boss shield except the shield part

[supple skiff]

only get bleed through on ranged though

[cyan notch]

what about over 100% toughness do vets get 2 free melee hits

[full kite]

I’m pretty bad at psyker skill to be fair, just hit level 30 today

[foggy isle]

No

[orchid nest]

Yeah, that benefits health curios because you hit your max faster with the flat amount instead of % toughness it regens for coherency

[cloud heron]

198/200 toughtness is still 99%

[supple skiff]

I had thought it was no melee damage for any toughness over 100

[foggy isle]

It's 100% not 100

[full kite]

But the lightning into special force sword combo is so satisfying

[supple skiff]

but turns out its a percent not a number value

[full kite]

I just feel helpless in horde 😔

[clear heath]

bruh, vet would be broken then
i mean it kinda is but even more

[supple skiff]

considering they regen more per melee kill and have the power sword, your point stands for regardless lol

[viscid cloak]

may i introduce you the combat knife push attack and sprint while charging the heavy attack?

also the animation

[foggy isle]

I miss temp hp

[supple skiff]

with the ranged damage mitigation they have built into some feats and blessings they don't need that much toughness

ghost is silly if you have decent aim

[full kite]

Mm psyker was my last class to 30, I do love the knife animation but the issue I’m having is slowly killing things when I’m surrounded

Sure the force sword block push is amazing but only killing 1-2 things every combo feels so bad

I don’t think knife would really help there 😔

[viscid cloak]

especially against infested horde and flak armored grunts

[summer prairie]

FS block push is pointless when you are running surge

against horde any push is fine

[full kite]

Dat FS push knocking beserkers on their ass is amazing tho

[foggy isle]

Just find a decent duelling sword and hope your teammates do their jobs

[full kite]

big hope I guess haha

[viscid cloak]

Combat knife push attack kills any grunt so long it hits the head

[covert valve]

yeah but everything else is based on % like 30% on gaining a warp charge can be JUICY regen?

[viscid cloak]

(dont know about damnation, i only play heresy)

[foggy isle]

Granted those two things are the hardest things in the game, finding good gear and a good team

[summer prairie]

on damnation as well with decent rolls

[covert valve]

get introduced to voidstrike ur welcome

[orchid nest]

Yes, of course. Still a point worth considering though.

[supple skiff]

FS push spam you can almost walk through hordes lol

with peril block anyway

[full kite]

I named my psyker sister-Sidious it’s too late for me

[cloud heron]

Even if you have 3 toughness curios, it's peanuts

[full kite]

I have been turned to the dark side

Me out here with my lighting screaming LIMITED POWAHHH

[manic needle]

Sadly you can still get effectively pinned by large enough hordes

[boreal cave]

aahhhh the fabled box just a touch too high to jump on

xD

[clear heath]

3 stam, 3% deflector = 49%
Wonder how the formula works then. You'd think your extra 50% block eff would bring it down to somewhere around 25%, rather than the 29% you actually got

[viscid cloak]

also, is there any reason the dueling sword deals more damage to maniacs and infected on heavy attack Than the combat knife?, its the only thing i cant understand yet

[summer prairie]

multiply the reduction sources instead of adding them up

[full kite]

Different weapons have different bonuses against different classes of enemies

[clear heath]

yeah lets see if that ends up making more sense

[covert valve]

ah, do you run 3 21% health?

[cloud heron]

I use 1 health, 1 stam, 1 wound

on heresy

[clear heath]

yeah ok this lines up more with the results. That proves every separate source multiplies then

there we go

[supple skiff]

need to be a fucking techpriest and or a warp mystic just to figure out game interactions lol

[manic needle]

Seriously guys, give the Antax Mk. 5 Combat Axe a try. Go for Limbsplitter or Decimator and Brutal Momentum on blessings. It's incredibly painless and efficient horde clear.

[summer prairie]

So pretty sure +stamina is better on a weapon than bcr

[clear heath]

That should depend on how much stamina you plan on getting

[supple skiff]

are stamina regen curious a thing? I've been tunnel visioning on weapons and honestly have no idea

[covert valve]

hmm but why use stam if you use peril conversion to block and why use wound unless ur playing with pugs

[cyan notch]

they exist if thats what ur asking

[bold flint]

what the hell

[supple skiff]

and if yes, do they shorten the delay for regen to kick in or only speed up the regen once the regen delay is over

[manic needle]

You can get Stamina regen on perks, but not blessings

[covert valve]

damn are you a mathematician

[bold flint]

theres a psyker clip on the darktide socials where he uses his ability twice in 10 seconds

[orchid nest]

As far as the stam part goes, that is what they have been mathing out. max stam reduces the peril gained

[clear heath]

I think it depends. I think going from 3 stam to 4 would be equivalent to 25% block cost reduction
but going from 9 to 10 stam would be equivelant to about 10%
Force sword with no stam curios, sure go +stam instead of block eff

[cyan notch]

where did u get 51% btw from a no bcr block?

[manic needle]

Doable with things like Psykinetic's aura and/or Quicken

[orchid nest]

Yeah I think they had quicken on for that video

[manic needle]

Honestly thats probably not even an impressive benchmark with quicken

[bold flint]

what does quicken do again

[manic needle]

How much does it get in terms of reduction per warp charge, again? I imagine with 6 it adds up

[bold flint]

he burned things with its use though

[covert valve]

how about a dueling sword V has 2 stam but it as a higher block eff which one would be better?

[clear heath]

I just guessed, based on the fact that 3% bcr gave me 49%
It could be slightly off for how much it actually does, but the formula should be the same since the numbers all line up neatly

[manic needle]

"Quicken: Your ultimate ability removes all Warp Charges, reducing your ultimate cooldown by 12.5% for every Warp Charge removed."

so would be 75% reduction with 6 charges, but apparently they used Ascendant Blaze in the video

[summer prairie]

Did you see his ult go on cooldown in the clip because sometimes (due to lag?) you can just ult twice in a row

[orchid nest]

Oh was it AB?

[bold flint]

sure looked like it

[orchid nest]

Ahhh yeah it is

[covert valve]

you can already get it like 80% and even 100% the wrap charges last 25 seconds test it. when you have 4 warp charges max but you can keep brain bursting and ull see its higher than 50% (but its prob a bug)

[supple skiff]

was perusing the subreddit. according to the CM people like, next update is next week at the earliest

[manic needle]

Not surprising given that everyone was on Holiday break

[idle bay]

PSA Siblings! There is minor favorable bug with Cerebral Laceration feat - it buff your BB damage on the same target as well while it being Warp Damage!

[manic needle]

I just assume that we got new paid cosmetics because of the leak. Because of all the clipping and holes in some of the new items it seems like an early release

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tired-no-sleep-sleepy-gif-7622081

No update?

[supple skiff]

key word here is earliest lol

[bold flint]

theyre either teasing that the two perks are merging or just showing that they have a dev mode on where abilities are unlimited

[supple skiff]

also said crafting in december so push that shit back babbbyyyy

[bold flint]

the latter being more disappointing

[brisk panther]

wanna try mk5 axe. which should i upgrade?

[bold flint]

blimey

[fast swan]

Wait they confirmed perk changes?

[cyan notch]

mfw when the "update" is just a "community update"

[manic needle]

Imagine they actually overhaul the Pysker feats and warp charges to improve QoL for the class

A sibling can dream, right?

[fast swan]

That would be nice

[supple skiff]

one of them does, anyways

[clear heath]

As far as i can tell, it doesn't matter how much block eff you currently have for determining which is better, since all the sources multiply with eachother anyways.
Going from 2->3 stam should be equivelant to 33% block eff, 3->4 should be 25%, 4->5 should be 20%

[bold flint]

i like the last one the most

[deft fiber]

Hi there. Which perks i want for void staff?

[clear heath]

so just go +1 stam unless you have 5 stamina already ig

[idle bay]

Any perks. Nothing synergies with it 🙂

[fast swan]

I want a feat where getting melee kills speeds up the next BB by X% so I can weave in and out of melee and BB better

[deft fiber]

[brisk panther]

i like this, its a beast 🙂

[manic needle]

Dont listen to this guy, you want Transfer Peril

[clear heath]

anyways time to spend 10 years rerolling my block eff perk to stamina

[brisk panther]

if you mean blessings, get these 🙂

[clear heath]

thanks fatshark

[supple skiff]

granted he did say perks not blessings

[deft fiber]

Yeah, perks.

[manic needle]

Weak spot damage synergizes with Transfer Peril

[supple skiff]

well, void is good for horde clear

[fast swan]

Better against trash I’d imagine

[manic needle]

then damage perks

[supple skiff]

so plus damage on horde enemies

[idle bay]

Oh... perks, not feats. My bad 🙂

[supple skiff]

maybe flak damage for ranged mobs

[manic needle]

Nah it's my bad, I read it as blessings.

[cyan notch]

nah its pretty ez since tier 3 is already +1 stam

[clear heath]

yeah but you see
fatshark hates me

[idle bay]

we both failed, sibling 🙂

[clear heath]

oh i got it

[supple skiff]

as far as blessings go, im told flurry doesn't improve your charging after you loose a full charge but that sounds like a bug so I'm still team transfer peril and warp flurry

[clear heath]

man i can't wait till they fix stamina curios so we can get absolutely stupid amounts of blocking on a force sword

ogryn powercrept

[supple skiff]

might still get that if they adjust passive quelling like they elluded too

still not sure which way they're going with that though

[cyan notch]

i was running +3 curios with 10% block eff on them yesterday and it was already pretty nuts with fs

full gunner barrage only gave 50% peril

then it stopped to reload

[clear heath]

If +3 actually gave 3 stam, it'd be insane value for block builds
I could get rid of all the block efficiency on my build for something actually useful and still block as effectively

[brisk panther]

will prob make a +3 stam curio until its fixed 🙂 idk what to replace block eff with tho, any idea?

[manic needle]

Imagine releasing a game where the items you equip actually do what they say they do.

[supple skiff]

sounds like the bare min to me

[covert valve]

so 1 stam is 50% of a visual block bar? even tho it wont have an extra bar, its still considered in the calculations right?

[patent hatch]

Just joined a team got shit on for running the flame staff lol

Feels good

[supple skiff]

I'd take feature incomplete release before non fuctional items, we got both lol

[manic needle]

Gotta love when your teammates project that small dick energy

[clear heath]

nah i'm pretty sure 1 stamina is just 1 bar
stamina curios are just bugged to only give 1 stam

[patent hatch]

Ikr

[clear heath]

imagine the game actually working

[manic needle]

"No bro you have to use the weapons I want you to use pls bro"

[orchid nest]

that is weird.. what were they expecting you to run exactly?

[valid lake]

let me guess theyy where all bolter vets

[patent hatch]

Joined mid game, all zealots with flamers 💀 could of told me

[valid lake]

well hordes wont live thats a plus

[manic needle]

Probably, and the type to overfocus on one specific group of mobs only to get whacked in the back several times and go down on the spot

[manic needle]

Wow and they didnt want to purge heretics in holy fire? Lame ass Zealots tbh

[covert valve]

so what 2 perks would you get 10% weakspot dmg and 5% crit?

[valid lake]

well my beloved says zealots are rock eating dummys

[patent hatch]

Ikr

[supple skiff]

I can understand frustration if everyone has a flamer or equiv lmao

[manic needle]

Crit would be mostly nice if you had the ultra-rare Surge blessing I think. Damage vs (armor type) is nice.

[summer prairie]

+10% weakspot damage is quite a bit less than 10% though

[supple skiff]

but thats their "fault" as much as it is yours

be nice to be able to see other's loadouts while we ready up

[cyan notch]

well he joined mid game

so no way for him to know

[clear heath]

It's ok, just brain burst all the gunners one by one when you need long range

it'll take hours to win

but it'll work

[violet thorn]

Sniper resistance

[supple skiff]

mid game joining is such a shit show right now

[manic needle]

A few days ago someone claimed that 3 Puragtus Staffs + Flamethrower "facerolled" Damnation

[covert valve]

i do have surge blessing

[manic needle]

Maybe that extra BB power whittled the match time down to 30 minutes 🙂

[clear heath]

I mean, if they're all running deflector force swords, eventually they could just walk up to the gunners

[supple skiff]

aside from that issue, i've spawned in front of snipers and beasts of nurgle more than I care to admit

[manic needle]

Nice. Have a picture of your staff?

If you posted I missed it

[cyan notch]

me when

[patent hatch]

Which one we thinkin

[covert valve]

ah so even 3 stam on curios just shows 1 bar visually? but it functions as 3???

[cyan notch]

purple

[valid lake]

whats are the go to feats with surge staff ?

[clear heath]

Functions? Nah the game doesn't function lol
It actually just gives 1 stamina because the game is bugged

[brisk panther]

a friend tested 2x sniper resistance yesterday. didnt seem to do anything. same with grim resistance. Anyone know anything about this?

[patent hatch]

Reasoning? Apart from quell speed Orange is better

[orchid nest]

sniper resist should work fine as far as I know but grim resist only applies to the small ticking amount and not the large initial corruption so it's not so great

[blissful kestrel]

321133 is what I run.

[clear heath]

imo depends on what your melee is
if you go non-force melee, you can mostly passive quell so you can give up quell speed
if you go force sword, you rely on staff quelling a lot

[brisk panther]

aah ok, that explains grim resist! think we have to test sniper resist more

[patent hatch]

I mean I never use force sword cause its dull

[manic needle]

I like this feat setup a lot as well. It's between that and 321113 for me.

[fringe remnant]

you've gone force sword, why even quell?

why even staff?

[supple skiff]

where's your partner?

[violet thorn]

I run 30% resistance and I can tell it does work

[clear heath]

passive quell is slower on force sword, by a lot, so you need to manual quell a lot

[brisk panther]

these are mine:
psyker surge feats:
3 2 1 1 3 3 *

psyker void feats:
3 1 1 1 3 3

[orchid nest]

note when you test that snipers have a 10x dmg multiplier to toughness

[fringe remnant]

yeah but thats good, force sword's damage benefits from a slow quell

[manic needle]

You go for Mind In Motion over Kinetic Deflection or even Shield with a Surge staff?

[fringe remnant]

I kinda think they shouldn't have given into the public feedback about force sword in beta.

i know people didn't like exploding, but they should have just made it clearer force sword was intended to not be run with a staff.

[patent hatch]

Mind in motion is kinda booty

[brisk panther]

looking at it now 😄 was a few weeks since i played surge. would go deflection on surge aswell 🙂

[manic needle]

Okay yeah I was curious about that.

[clear heath]

mind in motion is a beginner trap
It makes you think it's good because it speeds up quelling with brain burst hands by a lot
but for staff, you only move like 10% slower while quelling, so it barely does anything
and staves quell faster so you should only manual quell with a staff

[covert valve]

which voidstrike would you use @manic needle @long wharf

[patent hatch]

second

[manic needle]

I would do the right one

[valid lake]

is melks staff worth it ?

[covert valve]

yes this one

[orchid nest]

you can also quell slide or even jump quell slide

[supple skiff]

right one for sure

[patent hatch]

run and gun is bad

[manic needle]

Thats pretty cool, Im really interested in how it works out with Voidstrike, let me know

[brisk panther]

100% 2nd

[covert valve]

so the value of wrap flurry would be greater than wrap nexus? @patent hatch

[idle torrent]

Anyone wanna help with getting Malleus Monstronum? I can also help with penances if you need them done as well

[supple skiff]

warp flurry might be bugged

[manic needle]

Better transfer peril. Some people say that Warp Flurry is bugged right now, but when I hold down right click and spam Voidstrike I notice an appreciable difference in charge up speed

[supple skiff]

^same, it might manefest as losing the buff after a full charge but I haven't tested for myself

[manic needle]

Interestingly I didnt notice the same with Surge staff though

[covert valve]

it is working someone posted video above but you need to spam 5 secondary casts then you receive 40% cast rate "jump"

[orchid nest]

It works with min charge spamming leading into a longer one. The main problem is the stacks don't last very long so it's hard/impossible to stack it with anything but the min void spam

[supple skiff]

which has to be a bug right, it says "chain" not anything about x number of seconds

[orchid nest]

yeah I would guess it's not intended

[covert valve]

yeah its very short I had a bit of sucess with not holding down rmb but its a small small window

[supple skiff]

lose the buff to a quell i'd understand

[manic needle]

Or just shitty game design, the Darktide special

[supple skiff]

shitty game design or unintended interaction, taking all bets

[orchid nest]

like they missed a decimal or something

[valid lake]

i would like too i kinda want to work on some

[covert valve]

little disappointed with transfer peril not working with quietitude but im guessing its a bug??

[manic needle]

Its disappointing but not too big of a loss. Warp Absorption is still a beast with Voidstrike

[covert valve]

surge staff with nexus flurry didnt seem to work with my testing bcuz the animation lock is too long and even if you cancel with switching weapons it dont work

[supple skiff]

is warp absord the toughness on kill or 30 toughness on warp charge?

[idle torrent]

Do you have a Ogryn with Slab Shield?

[valid lake]

i do

[covert valve]

toughness on kill

[supple skiff]

ah

[idle torrent]

Anyone else wanna join us?

[manic needle]

Yeah it's definitely 80 IQ game design.

[supple skiff]

use to run that on void, felt good on lower difficulties but I like quietude more

[covert valve]

i like running essence harvest + phsykentica aura + kinetic barrage combo with void to deal with trash but BB elites

[manic needle]

If Transfer Peril worked properly with Quietude it would be a no brainer, but as it is, it feels like Im shedding toughness by getting weak spot hits

[idle torrent]

Guess it'd just be us 2

[orchid nest]

I was under the impression it did work (along with any quelling at all) but I am no void expert. Didn't work in testing?

[manic needle]

I did a few rounds with it and it didnt seem to be working, no

It was a big disappointment for me

[valid lake]

it works

[supple skiff]

another reason we need to be able to turn on ai in the grinder

be able to test this shit in a decently controlled way

[manic needle]

Sorry, the only reason Im even awake right now is because Im resetting my sleep schedule after New Years

[idle torrent]

Found one other so make that 3

[supple skiff]

only recently found out that psk aura gave you reduction and not just your teammates, really fun with barrage

[digital narwhal]

Out of curiosity;
What do you think the general vibe of Psyker Protectorate is gonna be?
As in, what kinda gameplay loop do ya reckon is gonna be present?

Simply for the sake of discussion.

[cyan notch]

no idea

[steel egret]

like 13 euro single purchase or something on that line of gameplay.

[digital narwhal]

Darktide player try not to immediately be negative about the game challenge (Impossible)

[steel egret]

Cant do that penance.

[manic needle]

Do we have any info on it?

[steel egret]

But to answer really to your question I would expect some mix of what has been datamined and what other warhammer 40k games offer for such.

[digital narwhal]

We don’t have much, but apparently the class ability is gonna be something akin to what Warrior Priest of Sigmar has.
Protective bubble that explodes after a bit iirc

And from the name Protectorate, likely a defensive focused career

[manic needle]

If Im just going off of the name it sounds like a defensive class, maybe something to do with a Force Shield

[vague grotto]

decent for cloud and burn?

[digital narwhal]

Decent, could do better though.

[steel egret]

I wouldnt bother but if you dont have better.

[digital narwhal]

^

[vague grotto]

the shops only want to sell me guns, trying to tell me to play vet

[steel egret]

Thats how gun store works.

[devout sentinel]

or warmage : D

[vague grotto]

i dont have a purg yet

and i hate trauma staff with a passion

[digital narwhal]

Reckon psyker_throwing_knives might be something like Sister of Thorn’s staff where they throw out a barrage of projectiles maybe?

[steel egret]

I have 2 purga and dogshit void and surge.

[vague grotto]

voidstrike, surge and purg are my faves

[digital narwhal]

aka

The only decent staffs

[orchid nest]

Yeah I think there is a high chance it's similar to that

[vague grotto]

the only surge i have

[digital narwhal]

Honestly, a defensive focused Psyker with some bulk sounds

pretty good

[steel egret]

To be fair

[digital narwhal]

Since shooters are the main issue for Psyker to deal with

Being able to shrug off shooters a bit would be nice

[steel egret]

Someone did point out that these were bit weird for psyker.

but considering they just do what they want

probably unrelated.

[cyan notch]

i dont think a defensive subclass will play great

[devout sentinel]

something psyker like "sylas" from vindictus would be insane

[cyan notch]

we need things to die quick

[olive ember]

One day the game will get a full crafting system

[steel egret]

Maybe same day they announce live service is discontinued.

[digital narwhal]

That’s just an issue that can be fixed with the current staffs.
Voidstrike and Purg are nice, but Surge and Trauma need more killing potential.

Psyker Staffs as a whole are... not as good as they could be.

[olive ember]

I mean Surge is super duper bad and awful and all that but I won’t complain about surge buffs kek

[steel egret]

Just bring the epilepsy mode back to surge and I'm sure it will eventually hurt someone.

[digital narwhal]

Surge relies on your team killing what you stun.

[summer prairie]

it does not

why do people keep saying that

[magic burrow]

We need a Ogryn Psyker

[summer prairie]

Only a few elites are hard to kill with surge and even then you can pull your melee

while they are stunned

[digital narwhal]

Because it’s the lowest damage secondary fire out of all the staffs?

[summer prairie]

it's better against elites than void

[digital narwhal]

Veterans kill Elites within a nanosecond anyway

[patent hatch]

it really doesnt lmao

[magic burrow]

yeah, youre better off stunning them so others can kill them more safely

[patent hatch]

Surge is ver good for anti armour

I can one shot a crusher with a surge stun then a chain sword rev in dammnation

[devout sentinel]

how much thougness do u guys have if u have orange curios alrdy ?
do most t5 player still go 3x though or 2x +1wound ?

[patent hatch]

One of each I would genreally go

[devout sentinel]

thats what i currently do but it feels kinda troll not going 2x

[patent hatch]

I'm running Stamina Health and Wound

[devout sentinel]

but with stamina u dont use kinetic reflection i guess ?

[patent hatch]

For me you can run anything as long as you have +1 would

Ye

if I run kinetic D I take toughness

[austere warren]

Does the force weapon bonus feat at level 10 count towards force swords? I didn't bother to test it out yet.

[devout sentinel]

yes

[patent hatch]

Yep

[devout sentinel]

active only ofc

[patent hatch]

^

[austere warren]

Been doing a sort of high peril flex build. The idea is that I always have 80-90+% peril for just dps boosts before warp charges. Feels nice so far at least.

[covert valve]

apparently in the code kenetic reflection uses stam in the calculation

[patent hatch]

not worth it tho

[patent hatch]

What level you at

[austere warren]

only 15 at 3-4 tier difficulty.

[covert valve]

wait what?? didnt @clear heath do the calculation above and stam was better then BCR??

[patent hatch]

Maybe IDk

[austere warren]

I just got the feat that pops warp charge for coherency stuffs. Might experiment with other stuff in the future but I'm enjoying myself so far.

[patent hatch]

All 3 are viable in that section. Psychic communium is just the go to. The overs you gotta build around

[patent hatch]

that's not worth it tho xd

[covert valve]

whats not worth it?

[patent hatch]

Taking Stamia with kinetic D

[summer prairie]

on a weapon it can be worth it

[austere warren]

I figured. Main reason why I haven't played with the soul burn stuff yet since I'm not about to commit to brain bursts for a dot that I can do with staff since psyker just has access to essentially grenades on demand with stuff like trauma and voidstrike.

[covert valve]

ah stam on a curio you are referring to instead of 21% hp?

[hidden coral]

Hey, is there much of a concensus on the favoured dueling sword Mks? I have a hard time picking. Mk II is rapid on lights but has the uppercut swipes which are hard to headshot with, mk IV locks into the overhead lights which are easy to headshot with but a bit slower, and mkV is only uppercut lights and then the strikedown, and has more of an emphasis on the slow overhead heavies (but really good mobility, also).

I've been going mkV lately but I really dislike how it feels kinda weak on horde clear compared to the others. Although running voidstrike does make up for that, it feels like I'd have been better off using an axe for melee

[hot zephyr]

Necroing back a bit here. But this actually makes a lot of sense when you see the throwing knives.

There's several references to psykers using force-tuned daggers or knives to increase warp connection and effectively the knife throw would be a way to "mark a target" for follow-up attacks with warp energy to be amplified.

The other abilities are pretty straightforward based off their names and translating from other 40k games.

Basically get ready for surge staff gameplay from chain lighting and the throwing knives to amplify the effect. The rest will give defenses or damage reduction likely for coherency.

[steel egret]

Well that explains the knives.

[digital narwhal]

I'd do 2 Health + 1 Wound.

[hidden coral]

I think I'm leaning towards mk2 atm since it can make up for the uppercuts by just being the fastest lights and has that really nice sweeping H2 which for some reason does way more damage than the strikedown H1

[full kite]

any suggestions for best dueling sword or what each is good at?

[hidden coral]

Basically just wondering what people favour! If it's the case there's no real standout though I guess that's good

[devout sentinel]

btw its super sad that everything in this game works with kinetic flayer but not our brain burst itself . Would be so nice to have a brain burst trigger 2x on a reaper etc to 1hit them. Do you think this should be changed (maybe unintentionally currently?)?

[hidden coral]

But a lot of weapons have standout mks, like lasguns and axes

[idle bay]

I found videos of guys in charge of Psyker's Penances. Barefooted Bowling Ball Soccer on Legos.
#darktide-memes message

[hidden coral]

So just curious if it's the case here

[patent hatch]

it does trigger on BB

[austere warren]

I always say use a weapon that you're sincerely comfortable with regardless and then move on to something different.

[full kite]

I agree but I'd just like to know if they're much different

[devout sentinel]

@patent hatch tried in test mode for over 1 1/2 hours with everything and never triggerd on BB

[summer prairie]

it definitely does

[full kite]

like zealot heavy swords and taxe swords have different combos

same for each variant?

[patent hatch]

Really... I've got double brain bursts multIPLE TIMES

[full kite]

of dueling sword?

[austere warren]

Right right. And yes attack patterns come out at different angles. I'd say uh...whichever dueling sword is the thicker saber blade is more intuitive.

[patent hatch]

For me I enjoy the chain sword the most

[devout sentinel]

@patent hatch @summer prairie did this nonsense thing for the time xDD

[patent hatch]

80+ is considered critical peril

[hidden coral]

Mentioned the niches here: #psyker-class message

Basically; mk II has excellent horde clear and a nice sweeping H2 that doesn't emphasise headshots as much

Mk IV is a bit slower but much easier to headshot with, although imo the heavies are worse than any of the mks

[devout sentinel]

@patent hatch did trigger at 83 and 85 .

[hidden coral]

Mk V has good strikedown combos but worst horde clear, since the lights are uppercuts which are hard to headshot with

And they get like a 2.3x multiplier on headshot so you really need those lol

Oh and also the MkV has the best dodges, around the same as the knife

The other dueling swords only have slightly worse dodges though, still very good

[supple skiff]

poking around the subreddit again and found somthing for more vet envy lol

turns out that feat they have that reduces ranged damage on volley fire by 75% also effects melee damage for the time being

[covert valve]

Senji test it in the training grounds it should trigger right away if hes telling the truth!

[hidden coral]

Yup. Most feats that say they only affect one type of damage actually affect all

[full kite]

hmm are they all just light spam?

[hidden coral]

Which I kinda prefer

[devout sentinel]

@covert valve just tried is working as in my sheet

[covert valve]

the double brain burst is working?

[hidden coral]

As mentioned, the mk 5 has good strikedown heavies which also combos with the strikedown light

And also the mk 2 has a good sweeping heavy

[devout sentinel]

@covert valve nope need to test that but critical is 97%+ not 80 thats what i thought you are refering to sry

[hidden coral]

Mk 4 I'd say is the most lightspam since it has the worst heavies

But mk 2 has the fastest lights and they all sweep a bit so, eh

[covert valve]

i think ppl have tested the critical part an it was working at 99% for bb 10% feat

[hidden coral]

Oh and yes they all have a good niche for dodges and good stamina

[clear heath]

Wdym flayer didn't work with Brain Burst? I have a video of it here
You just don't see the animation in psykanium, but it does do 2x damage
#psyker-class message

[hidden coral]

Combined with a high quell speed

You can hold back a horde for a long time

With dueling swords

Or a daemonhost, either/or

[clear heath]

And i've definitely see the second BB animation in actual games so i think it's more visible with lag

[full kite]

ty ty

[hidden coral]

Oh and also looking at the actual stats; Mk II and IV lets you buff cleave, V doesn't

[full kite]

I quite like the mk 5 dodge

[hidden coral]

Instead mk V has defence and mobility, both of which impact dodge count which I don't understand lol

[full kite]

the plan is to spam lightning and then switch to dueling to passive quell

[hidden coral]

I think if you want to combo with surge you might be better served with the Mk II or IV for their superior horde clear. The Mk V tends to get me swarmed far more than I'd like since it kills slower, since landing its headshots can be quite difficult

That one more pairs with voidstrike or purgatus I imagine

Oh but that being said if you have other beans handling horde clear, mkV is prob the best anti-flak of the dueling swords since the strikedown heavies are so potent. So yeah, seems like it's just picking your niche

[full kite]

hmm I'll have to test it out more cause the dodge dance is really nice on mk5

ty for your help 😄

[covert valve]

cool cool thx for this, its prob harder to notice cuz you need to do it on mobs that you cannot 1 shot and its then only 10%

[long wharf]

The right one, but not because of warp flurry

[clear heath]

the right what

[long wharf]

The modifiers are better on the right, and you have peril transfer on both

[covert valve]

ah ok ty! but if i can swqitch it to nexus (crit) would be better?

[long wharf]

Yes, but it'd be even better with surge

[covert valve]

it was a staff i linked cuz we were talking about nexus flurry not being that great even on voidstrike so i wonder if i should use the other one but it has lower peril transfer

[clear heath]

ah

Has anyone tried figuring out if warp nexus buffs your melee weapon's crit? A lot of blessings that stack up tend to apply globally

[summer prairie]

pretty sure it does

[covert valve]

would be great if you could work that out. im bad at math'

[supple skiff]

nexes doesn't have a fall off time though right?

[clear heath]

I'm not insane enough to test a crit chance blessing

[summer prairie]

it's pretty easy to test though

[clear heath]

I would have to wack an enemy for several minutes and determine my average crit rate

[supple skiff]

100 hits would do it

[clear heath]

while keeping my peril up

[supple skiff]

true lol

[clear heath]

because it scales with current peril

I'm just gonna assume it works because as far as i can tell, other similar blessings work

[shadow wigeon]

BB triggers it. I've had a double pop insta kill in game on a Bulwark.

[devout sentinel]

Hm sadge ok well hope it does for me sometimes cause i spamed like crazy now again and nothing at all. But im lvl 29 and im sure it shouldnt be possible only cause of the lvl 30 skill (bug)

[clear heath]

Maybe you just didn't notice cause it doesn't have an animation in psykanium

You also need an enemy with a lot of health, cause you don't see overkill damage if you do too much

[covert valve]

what bug?

[devout sentinel]

But i see the dmg numbers ^^ im not looking on the animation

always tried on the crusher

[clear heath]

bad luck then, idk

[devout sentinel]

lets hunt on t4 and pray : D ty tho < 3

[hidden coral]

Just tested it in psykasium

Does work on brain burst

Got a 1675 BB

On the crusher

Then half that after it respawned

Suggestion

You were testing at at critical peril, which the feat mentions it doesn't work at

ANd honestly I forgot it was a factor, only thought of that because I just read it lol

[clear heath]

It only doesn't work at like, 97% or above tho

[hidden coral]

If you're BBing, quell a bit to 97%, then do it again

Doing rapid BBs

You might be stopping it

[clear heath]

oh yeah true

probably doesn't activate if you end the BB at 97+

so if you cast it starting at like 52% and end at 97%, it'll never happen

[covert valve]

damn thats a lot of conditions on it

[clear heath]

It's not like the double BB chance is a huge selling point anyways

it's mostly just for warp charge upkeep
the fact that it occasionally saves you by killing something is just a nice bonus

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah lining it up with a specific target isn't realistic. It just hits sometimes.

[supple skiff]

has a bit more value with kinetic barrage but only just

[long wharf]

the question isn't "does warp nexus apply to the entire player or just the staff" but "do you have to build peril with the staff active or does warp nexus on the staff work even when not equipped?"

[covert valve]

good question who can test this? @summer prairie

[idle bay]

2997 more Dregs to complete all Heretic Penances....

[gloomy obsidian]

When are these silly fuckers preventing the devs from doing their job gonna let them finish the damn crafting system, it ain’t much to ask for

[fast swan]

Who is stopping them?

[idle torrent]

Who are you talking about lmao

[vernal vault]

Who’s stopping them?

[hidden coral]

I blame Tzeentch, personally

[vernal vault]

It’s probably done tbh just they’re holding off on it

[hidden coral]

Making all the devs super silly

[long wharf]

it's likely not anywhere near done

[vernal vault]

🤷‍♂️

[hidden coral]

Ye their explanation was that they had to re-do the feature. So they'd have to be lying and like, they don't gain anything cool from that

Just more angy beans

[devout sentinel]

reminder we are just off holidays they are humans

ik we are gamers but...

[hidden coral]

Actually we're abhumans

Not because we're psykers, because we're gamers

[devout sentinel]

lets not get offtopic tbh its pyker discussions : )

lul kurble xD

[near wyvern]

Yeah let's push out a big update on the day before the whole dev team goes on holidays, I don't see how that could go wrong 🤡

[long wharf]

more appropriately, let's announce completion of the one system that everyone is clamoring for, that you even have placeholders for in the UI, by the end of the last month of the year, knowing that literally everyone in your country won't be working then

half of all the criticism wouldn't exist if FartShart had released Darktide into Early Access

instead of calling it full release

[vague grotto]

what are the best blessings for surge staff?

[summer prairie]

right now only warp nexus matters

[wanton cove]

what is the blessing most ppl go for on purgatus?

I found one with decent stats but it has terrifying barrage. And we cant refine blessing yet i think...

[copper raft]

ditto

[lucid terrace]

Crucian roulette.

[wanton cove]

Oh my ive never even seen that blessing lol

[twilit flicker]

@wanton cove I have the one that gives stagger at close range kills, I suspect that helps me a lot.
Crucian Roulette gives higher crit chance the lower your ammunition, right?

[lucid terrace]

Yeah

[wanton cove]

Ill need to keep my eye out for that blessing

Ive only been able to get staffs from the store havnt ever received a staff emperors gift except maybe twice o.O

[cloud heron]

you'll be waiting for a while I think

[wanton cove]

I think so to lol

[dusky lantern]

Terrifying barrage and the one that makes secondary uninterruptable

[rapid drum]

for "out with a bang", you can do it on malice, right? We just spent like 45 minutes farming rager spawns and neither of us got the penance despite clearly getting 3 kills

[wanton cove]

Malice + yep!

[mild hornet]

how important is cloud radius on purgatus?

[cloud heron]

To be clear, you got them at the same time right?

[long wharf]

warp nexus is alright on surge, you really don't need the uninterruptable channeling on surge

[long wharf]

pretty important

[mild hornet]

hmm

[long wharf]

it affects cloud radius and total reach

[mild hornet]

if you had to choose between burn and cloud radius which one is more important

[cloud heron]

I personally would take cloud radius over almost anything else

[mild hornet]

which one of these sucks the least lol

[wanton cove]

Max any stat can get is 80% right?

until reds

[twilit flicker]

Good God, that thing will get you killed!

[cloud heron]

i wouldnt sweat stats too much if you're under 350 total modifier

[mild hornet]

sweating is my middle name

[wanton cove]

Alex Sweating the Psyker

[cloud heron]

i would take the left one but it isnt too big of a deal, i don't think

[wanton cove]

I would take the bigger cloud radius 38% seems smol

[long wharf]

wrong, burn is #1 stat on purge

[boreal sun]

Burn do damage

[long wharf]

burn sets how many soulblaze stacks you can set with the staff

[rapid drum]

hmmm this issue is saying out with a bang requires you to kill 3 SPECIALS, not ELITES https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-penances-going-out-with-a-bang-requirement-and-penance-description-are-not-the-same/62007

specials being gunners and shotgunners

[long wharf]

and how quickly you stack those dots

[supple skiff]

fatshark CM's found the book on weasel words, qualifying statments, and non-commital answers it seems

[boreal sun]

I find it funny that ashqy is playing vermintide 2 rn

[long wharf]

you can kill any combination of elites/specials

[wanton cove]

I just upgraded t his from blue in the store. Best purgatus ive gotten so far...and it gives me warp nexus

[long wharf]

that's a great staff

[wanton cove]

is that even useful at all on a purgatus staff

[long wharf]

now roll ranged critical hit chance on it

it's the best blessing for purge

[alpine portal]

I DID IT

[rapid drum]

dont think so 😦 we just took turns waiting for 3 ragers to spawn, weaken them, then burst, and neither of us got the penance

[long wharf]

because purge is all about stacking soulblaze dots

[wanton cove]

I will take ur advice and try to get that crit chance!

[fallen helm]

Is this good?

[long wharf]

I absolutely know so, because I got mine killing a crusher and two ragers

[long wharf]

no, burn is of primary importance

you can use it, but I wouldn't call it "good"

[clear heath]

I swear i saw them playing darktide a few minutes ago
Must've decided to quit and play the better game

[mild hornet]

is there a different feat build if you're running purgatus/surge?

[long wharf]

yes

[mild hornet]

oh?

[long wharf]

just look at them

[left briar]

any autopistol psykers in the chat?

[long wharf]

there better not be

[left briar]

or would that be heresy

[mild hornet]

looking is for heretics

[clear heath]

wait that twitter post with the psyker...
is that a new sword???

[long wharf]

link?

[clear heath]

https://twitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1608870598314172416

Warhammer 40K: Darktide (@Darktide40K)

Truly electrifying!

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Or is it just a devil claw sword that i forgot the moveset for?

[placid sorrel]

autopistol that shoot warp bullets, unlimited ammo but use peril no reloads

[long wharf]

nah, just the devil claw sword

[clear heath]

fuck

[long wharf]

what's really stupid is that they're running surge and AB

prime sedition/uprising gameplay on display there

[clear heath]

Wait did he just use F on a 15 second cooldown? I swear it's normally longer

[long wharf]

surging the horde, ulting a handful of enemies

[clear heath]

Also am i hallucinating or is the surge animation different?

[long wharf]

10 seconds, actually

4 second mark for first, 14 second mark for second

[clear heath]

oh

[long wharf]

the surge effect looks normal to me?

[clear heath]

psyker buff coming???

[long wharf]

but then I play with RTX on

I bet that footage was actually captured during the closed beta

or it's a dev build

[clear heath]

idk it just looks different to me for some reason. Maybe it's just settings

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warped perch]

One does more damage but has worse perks and the other does slightly less damage but has good perks, which one should I choose?

Oof sorry that they’re so big

[rapid drum]

dam, guess it is bugged

[long wharf]

the one with transfer peril

[rapid drum]

ackowledged by the devs

[wanton cove]

yeah transfer peril is great for VS

[long wharf]

so the sniper, trapper, and bomber are specialists

the rest are elites

[wanton cove]

70% damage isnt to bad

[long wharf]

dogs and mutants are specialists?

[fallen helm]

I would think since you kill them they show up as who killed them in the top left corner

[long wharf]

means ravagers are specialists as well

[warped perch]

Do you think I’ll notice the damage difference

On heresy and damnation

[long wharf]

depends on how much charging you normally do

what you will notice is, with proper aim and positioning, no longer needing to quell on the hordes

[warped perch]

I almost always use charged attacks with void

I usually spam but sometimes charge fully

[long wharf]

and being able to stop the horde nonstop without quelling is a big deal

[drowsy current]

Hi! can any one please tell me what kind of stats im looking for in curios?

[long wharf]

peril transfer trumps almost everything else with the void staff

[warped perch]

Hmm I doubt 10 damage difference is gonna make a big difference anyway no

[long wharf]

is it just 10?

[naive sun]

Can I post my Homemade Bacon Jerky in here?

Is that too insane for the Psyker chat?

[long wharf]

yes

to the latter

[warped perch]

Look at the damage values for the secondary action

[long wharf]

I don't have the game open ATM

[clear heath]

i think he means in the screenshot

I don't think that number is accurate anyways though, especially considering the attack is chargable

[warped perch]

Yeah I’m guessing that’s damage at max charge

But I would think it scales

[clear heath]

regardless, i'd take the top one. The blessings are great

[warped perch]

🤗

[vagrant cedar]

DUDE

[warped perch]

That was an emprah’s gift after a mission