psyker-class

[hidden coral]

Ah. Then ye I'd prob only go for that on lynchpin oggy

[fringe garden]

You would think that

[sturdy meadow]

yeah, i run ogryn main and with lynchpin + toughness regen and i basically wait 0 seconds before it starts regen

[hidden coral]

Ooo that sounds awesome

[vagrant cedar]

they are smart, ofc they would. they played games before and they know how to english

[hidden coral]

Lynchpin makes coherency regen actually quite nice on damnation

Whereas it's uber slow for everyone else

[vagrant cedar]

they didn't make the game just for themselves

[hidden coral]

This is prob the best curio I've got, pretty close to ideal 😌

[fringe garden]

That bit of info is from datamines by the by

[sturdy meadow]

hm. i'll probably reroll dockets into toughness regen

oh come on. the game did NOT just error me out from the mission start screen

[hidden coral]

Or dis one, although grim resist is a lil bleh

[sturdy meadow]

i'm frozen in black hell

[summer prairie]

the stat is even internally called toughness regen delay multiplier. Anyway, it seems like a trash stat. The delay is 3 seconds normally and going from 3s to ~1.5s is never going to do you any good

You get extra 1.5s seconds of regen in coherency and that's nothing. It's not even when you need the toughness

[hidden coral]

Again that's very solid on Lynchpin Oggy

Being able to start that high regen early is pretty great, especially since if it's low enough you'd get blips while being shot at

For everyone else though, yeah I agree it prob wouldn't give you so much, especially since vet and psyker can regen toughness at range pretty reliably

[hallow skiff]

i don't want to be ungrateful to God Emperor, but why is God Emperor give me only gun as Psyker

[sturdy meadow]

imagine if we had force bullets. psy-imbued killy shooting

[hallow skiff]

😄

[sturdy meadow]

too bad only the grey knights get it

[blissful hill]

putting this here to gather good roll energy for my second blessing

i'd trade it for a non-crit trauma version if i could

[lucid horizon]

lmao

[fringe garden]

Trauma staff is really nice with a strong antax. You end up primarily using your melee to kill and just pull out the staff to clear clumps and to quickly build peril so that autoquell can keep your toughness regenerating

[blissful hill]

^^ i love it for the toughness quell flow; the huge point damage and stagger is a side bonus

[fringe garden]

Traumas biggest weakness is it's peril generation. Having a fantastic melee option turns that into a strength instead

[blissful hill]

lol i would bottom the peril generation stat on that voidstrike staff if i could for that reason

feel like i can never regen my shields when im on the voidstrike

[fringe garden]

Exactly I no longer prefer warp resist lol

Everyone is too obsessed with the force sword and deflector

[stray solar]

lmao

thanks storebot

[true lake]

Rip finesse

[stray solar]

ah who cares

rest is good enough to balance it out

[true lake]

I didn't even notice the 1 stamina at first tbh

[stray solar]

oh me neither lmao

[true lake]

Good thing you can reroll it lmao

[stray solar]

I can reroll that lol

thank emps

[hybrid zephyr]

Am I very stupid, or are the left clicks on Voidstrike more accurate than the left clicks on Surge?

user error is also a big possibility

[stray solar]

not too shabby

[true lake]

I think the left click for staffs has a slight deviation in accuracy

[stray solar]

could be worse could be better

[true lake]

Never had them 100% shoot exactly where I aim

[ebon jolt]

Yup. Could be better. And the projectile speed is so slooooow.

[true lake]

But I'm a purgatus main now so it is what it is lol

Voidstrike is a nice general purpose while surge is a nice elite specific

[spring kernel]

What does the force sword special do?

[hybrid zephyr]

I also noticed my left clicks after the Voidstrike charged right click hit their mark, whereas the left clicks on other staffs are erratic

[true lake]

It does a high damage single target attack

Very good for the boss assassinations or dealing with specials

[blissful hill]

strafing and shooting projectiles is extremely annoying due to the game's netcode making it essentially a random point at which your staff lets go of the bolt

have to stand still like an 8 year old playing quake

[true lake]

I know from experience that force sword special can one shot maulers

If you aim for their torso

[blissful hill]

on t5?

[true lake]

Not sure on t5

[spring kernel]

also when do I unlock the staff weapon?

[true lake]

T5 is special lol

[long wharf]

I've learned that if you use lmb, you need to keep what you're aimed at until it fires

Means a lot of min-circlestrafing

[hybrid zephyr]

goddang that might be it, on other staffs I don't stand still, but I am more patient with a charged Voidstrike right click

[true lake]

Yeah moving with a staff shot pretty much ruins accuracy

[long wharf]

The netcode isn't at fault

[blissful hill]

voidstrike rmb you need to position yourself, and you're slowed from charging, so its inherently easier

[blissful hill]

what else could be causing the staff to feel like it varies how long it takes for the bolt to come out of the staff after i click?

theres a fairly consistent timing, until there isnt

im wishing i phrased my statement more like a theory, because it IS just speculation tho

[true lake]

thats why i use purgatus

dont got to aim shit when you are using a magic flamethrower

[supple skiff]

and the netcode goes more to shit the harder the game gets lol

if I had a nickle every time a void bolt didnt fire when I actually fired it....

[fast swan]

feels like its suddenl harder to hit void headshots now

might just be me

[hybrid zephyr]

or the palpatine tickle fingers

[quasi pagoda]

It was getting frustrating for me so I switched to Surge.

For now at least

[round shuttle]

Hate when you try to lightning and it sticks to your fingers like glue though

Feels bad

[hybrid zephyr]

I also experienced my dagger push stabs not registering at all, making me go back to axes

[silver pagoda]

is block efficiency any good on a deflector force sword?

like is it worth speccing into stamina and block efficiency to block ranged attacks?

[ebon jolt]

Yes. It increases the amount of ranged damage you can take before getting hit. Use it with the level 20 feat for peril block.

You can stand in the middle of a giant mob of enemies to revive people because you block while reviving.

[uneven meadow]

i love peril block, it's so fun crab walking between objectives.

[silver pagoda]

so I assume with peril block you don't need stamina right?

[fast swan]

is the feat that gives on hit brainburst any good? once every 15s seems kinda bad

[ebon jolt]

With the right force sword you can one hit all non-Ogryn/monstrosities on damnation. Rager takes weakspot heavy and mutant takes critical weakspot heavy.

[jovial frigate]

arguably strongest feat in that tier depending on staff/spec

[fiery beacon]

Depends on ranged weapon, but it is very good for managing your stacks

[fast swan]

i see, ty

good w void staff?

id think so

[jovial frigate]

on paper sounds odd but then you realize this game is full of multi hits and your warp charge has a 25 second timer

[fast swan]

if only the cooldown of the on hit BB reset when u used ult

[fiery beacon]

As a source of damage and free kills it is weak, it is really about keeping your buff topped off without micro

[silver pagoda]

every once in a while it'll let you 1-hit an ogryn though with the force sword

not a good chance but it does happen

[fast swan]

lol best way to have warp charge build is just to not use brain burst at all and get it via feats

please buff brain bust fatshark

just let it instakill human sized enemies

[silver pagoda]

should definitely at least scale with difficulty somehow, maybe be percent health based

[fast swan]

low level psyker is ass so buffing it and making it strong in low difficulty aint a bad thing

[true lake]

easiest way to keep warp charges is through purgatus build ironically enough

[fast swan]

i think it either needs a fat damage buff or a passive that executes all human sized enemies

[true lake]

if you build it right the constant flaming of every grunt enemy in front of you will pretty much keep you topped up

[fast swan]

brainburst itself though should be useful at all difficulties

situaltionally

[silver pagoda]

I dunno, the soulbaze seems not to kill much if your teammates are good and it's a higher difficulty

[mighty pike]

Purgatus is my favourite of the staffs

[true lake]

brain burst is still useful on highest difficulty imo

sure it doesnt have increased damage but it still ignores all armor

which becomes very important when you get to those higher tiers

[silver pagoda]

I only use it on bombers, gunners, and snipers - things that run away or keep range

[true lake]

also good for those fuckers especially yeah

[fast swan]

yea i should be able to use it on any special except mutants and get an insta kil

but it doesnt even 1 shot dogs LOL

[true lake]

i dont like using brain burst for the hounds

[fast swan]

desperately needs a buff

[true lake]

i only did it for the penance

[fast swan]

no shit u dont it doesnt kill them lol

[true lake]

for hounds i just force sword push them away then destroy their ass

[vale nacelle]

Purg staff feels way too limiting unless you’re in a premade party and your zealot refuses to use a flamer.

[haughty schooner]

I like it for hounds since it locks on and stuns em at the end when they are all run in around

[weary wasp]

when you REALLY need to quell

[silver pagoda]

you can 1-shot kill a hound with the charged force sword, no need to even push

[weary wasp]

just all the way in there

[haughty schooner]

On 1-3 it one shots them still atleast

[vale nacelle]

Flamers make 90% of our staves irrelevant.

[fast swan]

nerf flamer i agree

[true lake]

i just do the push because it forces them on to the ground so they cant run

[fast swan]

boring weapon and boring playstyles

[true lake]

also i dont like risking being incapacitated by a hound

[silver pagoda]

btw has anyone seen a higher block efficiency on weapons than +15%?

[true lake]

tbh the zealot flamer feels underwhelming in comparison

[vale nacelle]

I’m ok with Surge doing 500+ damage to armor with minimum charged secondaries while also stunning.

[true lake]

they have better options really

[weary wasp]

20 is max

[silver pagoda]

sigh alright time to hear hadron moan about the omnissiah for another hour

[hybrid zephyr]

I see j_sat using Brainburst for massive single target dps if his team doesn't have it, but that's because he has the Feat that lets him spam brainburst after ult

[magic burrow]

purge staff tempts me into running screaming sword in hand at some random gungoblin hiding behind a chainlink fence just out of range of my staff

[mighty pike]

Is it just me or does the block-shove for force sword feel less effective than other weapons

[weary wasp]

push or push attack?

[summer prairie]

I think it's bad, an actual push attack is better

[hybrid zephyr]

I'm not used to it, it feels like I'm pushing enemies away with gusts of force floof

[true lake]

i feel the exact opposite because the block shove for force sword can penetrate crowds a bit more

[weary wasp]

push attack is generally bad because its a single target only

[mighty pike]

It might just be the animation for it but it feels like it does less than shoving with an axe etc

[true lake]

push attack for force sword is really good for single targets, i use it all the time for ragers because it completely forces them to the ground

[weary wasp]

the usual shove is one of the best in game. you can hold a horde in perma stun if you want to

[hybrid zephyr]

oh snap does it ignore stagger reduction?

[summer prairie]

you can perma stun horde with regular pushes

[hot zephyr]

that's because axe shoves are the best "normal" shoves, FS and Axe are the best two pushes

[weary wasp]

it can put a crusher/reaper on his ass

[true lake]

not certain but i know it forces ragers fully on the ground and they take like 4 seconds to even get back up

it can even put reapers on their ass yeah

[weary wasp]

the only thing it doesnt knock over is mutant

[hybrid zephyr]

alright the force floof is worth another looksy

[true lake]

just not a good crowd control push attack ofc

but anyone trying to use a force sword as a cc is doing something wrong, thats what the staff is for

[weary wasp]

i generally prefer not to do the follow up shove after a stagger since its a single target but yeh...ragers and crushers

[hot zephyr]

Force shove + Peril Block is also a big deal because you can spam a couple in a row if you need space badly

[weary wasp]

you dont really use FS for cc per se, it comes naturally with a damage rotation vs crowds

[hybrid zephyr]

yea that's what I'm thinking too, for hordes it's way better to dodge back and charge up a staff shot of some sort

[weary wasp]

light > heavy > push
repeat

[mighty pike]

I'll have to retry it if I ever get a good force sword

The animation just feels less effective than any other shove

[echo parrot]

LOL

[hot zephyr]

It's definitely hard to get a good force sword if you need/want deflector

[true lake]

its kinda hard to compare shoves really when it comes down to it

each shove does generally what shoves set out to do

[hot zephyr]

Cus there's so many things gotta go right
High base value
Roll good stats
Roll deflector as a blessing
Roll a non-awful perk

[weary wasp]

shoves are easier on psyker since you dont tend to suffer from 0 stam push whimpiness

[hybrid zephyr]

another factor into the problem is you can't test certain things in the Meat Grinder, like enemy density/cleave or against ragers in their attack animation

[echo parrot]

Is is shoving? I feel like it is shoving.

[true lake]

yeah i kind of wish the meat grinder had more scenarios to play around with like a huge horde clump

[weary wasp]

some weapons barely do anything on shove, some do more

think taxe vs shield

[hybrid zephyr]

it definitely is, it's more about how many enemies are shoved, and how powerful the shove is

[boreal sun]

hello psyker big brains

Today I share information with you, that no other zealots, guards, or ogryns can use.. because they dont have the power of the warp.

A browser extension that shows what's in the shop

[supple skiff]

big if true

[boreal sun]

not ready yet

but will be soon

[supple skiff]

as an aside: someone needs to tell the pugs adds first then boss lol

[hybrid zephyr]

^

and any ranged mooks before the melee mooks

[supple skiff]

jsut had a team focus a plauge orgyn on heresy hi intensity lmao

[jovial frigate]

will i have to tie my account to some weird website or will it allow just populating char name and maybe an id

[raven scarab]

took a look at #veteran-class, to see what smart stuff they're on about

it's just frog gifs

[boreal sun]

I'm not sure how it works.

[jovial frigate]

well i know you can send a request to a server with your char name + acount id to get current market store info

[hybrid zephyr]

yea I wanted to ask #zealot-class about revolver experiences (mainly around how they deal with reload) but they're doing a fashion show right now

[boreal sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zykgxs/you_can_now_check_the_endgame_from_your_browser/j26bq8h/

There's the link to get the extension now

[solar fossil]

for abilities like kinetic shield or psykinetics wrath, when they put a range like "between 5% and 15% damage increase based on peril," does the percentage increase or decrease depending on how much peril you have?

[alpine portal]

increase im pretty sure. tho I ment to test when the cap it

[mighty pike]

I've played 16 levels of zealot revolver

[alpine portal]

watched a zelot crush it with revolver thammer.

[hybrid zephyr]

how is revolver at Heresy/Damnation? I mainly use it to pop snipers or headshot that one ranged mook that I can't get into melee range. Are the HP breakpoints make any of these not reliable?

[summer prairie]

Psykinetic's wrath is 5% + 0.1 * Current Peril% dmg

[alpine portal]

new cosmetics. bad ass post apopyle on top clown show on bottom?

[summer prairie]

Kinetic shield is 10% + 0.23 * Current Peril%

[solar fossil]

what is like the meta curios

also is peril shock trooper build actually valid or no

[supple skiff]

new psyker cosmetic staff is noice

[solar fossil]

always seemed like the staffs were pretty good

[supple skiff]

aint fucking with no mtx tho

[mighty pike]

There's been a store update?

[steel egret]

Yes

[supple skiff]

oh yeah, they either have someone around to add these to the shop or took the time to set up a drip feed system before the holidays

the optics are fantastic

[steel egret]

I was guessing it was primed with a timer.

why today? who knows.

[magic burrow]

Some use their psychic powers to wreak havoc. Others use them to guide ships through the warp. And then there are the psykers who use their powers of the warp to remotely check shop stocks.

[steel egret]

Reveal the wares to me!

[near wyvern]

Kahjiit get back to your own universe

[mighty pike]

Felinids exist in 40k

[near wyvern]

But do they have wares if you have coin?

[magic burrow]

I sense, laspistol... then... mk1 devil claw... trauma staff... +1 stamina curio

https://puu.sh/Jvmpg/dc1dfc6832.png

[mighty pike]

If this is too accurate we put you back on the Black Ships

[steel egret]

Pain.. Not staff.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049674818259263541/1058415814816043058/image.png

[near wyvern]

I sense shop full of Force Swords. With 298 base stats each.

[supple skiff]

every weird and obscure thing exists in 40k to draw in every person imaginable. In the case of felinids, furries. Don't @ me

[steel egret]

dont worry they exist everywhere.

there are not enough marines to kill them in any form of universe.

to think out of all things

Dwarfs are ones to go in 40k instead of furry people.

[mighty pike]

You haven't heard of catmarines

[jovial frigate]

for all of you who require spoonfeeding:
https://accounts.atoma.cloud/login
gotta approve this atoma.cloud site to pull public account info from steam
store for your characters populates in a webpage

[supple skiff]

mfw they brought back squats

[steel egret]

"oh yeah you can be dwarf now, the ship had all of living last ones in it."

"and you are SPECIAL one"

"CHOSEN"

[mighty pike]

Rock and Stone!

[near wyvern]

S.P.E.C.I.A.L.

[pseudo kestrel]

I've checked for two weeks straight, I have not have a lightning staff drop once from limited

[steel egret]

oh no

dont even bring up the limited one.

[near wyvern]

Melk?

[steel egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049674818259263541/1058429443724541962/image.png

This thing is staring at me there.

Also not a staff.

[mighty pike]

Buy it. It's only 2,2445 Melkcoin

[near wyvern]

DW. Autogun ammo economy cannot handle Damnation.

And just to state it publicly.

Fuck Melk.

[mighty pike]

Peddler 138/143 is the only vendor I respect

[steel egret]

Yeah let the melk pick the item for you

see what happens.

[mighty pike]

Take the express route to the conjunction between "fuck around" and "find out"

[steel egret]

( actually has given me like 4-6 gold curios )

[near wyvern]

Gray 290. Blue or green 320.

[boreal wave]

Sire Melk? More like Sour Milk am I right

[near wyvern]

Melk surely knows how to take advantage of rejects.

[steel egret]

Why do we buy black market goods? or buy anything in general?

[mighty pike]

Because we're trapped in a loop

[near wyvern]

To push for Damnation and to search for those few potentially broken weapons at the moment

[boreal wave]

Be ause it's a game and doesn't really have the progression design in place to have quartermaster fulfilling TO&E like an actual military organization

[steel egret]

Yeah in order to do that

you would actually need to make something.

[mighty pike]

Looking at Hadron out of the corner of my eye

[warped perch]

I just want a freaking deflector fs to drop

It’s insane

[jovial frigate]

i just want a fs with 80 first target finesse and dam

[near wyvern]

Not that insane. It's good but not insane.

[warped perch]

No not the sword I mean it’s insane it hasn’t dropped for me yet

[near wyvern]

Ahh right

What is insane though is Bloodthirsty + Blazing Spirit FS.

That shit has potentiall to pop anything in a couple hits.

I have seen Bloodthirsty in an image here and Blazing Spirit in my store so still looking for one.

[mighty pike]

Anyone know the best way to get the Going out with a Bang penance?

[near wyvern]

Herecy high intensity max wound curios. Pre cook yourself and roll the dice when a pack of elites run in.

[long wharf]

yeah I'm still looking for bloodthirsty too

[fluid knot]

Aaand the shop does a troll

[long wharf]

I'm pretty excited to be able to play the game on mobile soon

i.e. check the hourly store on my phone

[stiff lynx]

Buy it anyways when gun psyker meta comes around, they'll nerf our staves eventually

[fluid knot]

Have a 380 version

Not only has it a bad blessing an perk that blue one, its also not one of the lasguns im lookin for

[steel egret]

I buy all 380 I see.

it is very painful.

[fluid knot]

Not at all, i buy the highest version available till something better comes along, most of my stuffs is 360-80

Thats 380 one

[long wharf]

I wouldn't throw anything away yet

[steel egret]

My best surge staff is still 361.

[long wharf]

at some point you're going to wish you had something to upgrade to try to get a particular blessing

[fluid knot]

Aint we menna be getting the blessing crafting in jan'?

[echo parrot]

Nobody knows

[long wharf]

nobody knows, not even FartShart

[echo parrot]

We were supposed to be getting the rest in Dec

[stiff lynx]

Not a big fan of dumdum but it do be a lit gun

[echo parrot]

Only a couple of days left of Dec left

[fluid knot]

Question.. Can we get infernus on the fast fire lasguns?

[fluid knot]

Kek

[steel egret]

Yeah.. its almost like I'm waiting for something.

[lost elk]

hrmgggggh

[echo parrot]

I kinda wish the I wasnt on the skull

[celest oar]

the real question is, are there any good stats there

[steel egret]

Those are for blessings.

Not for anything else.

[celest oar]

i am still pissed about this

[long wharf]

unfortunate perks there

[celest oar]

got it at white...

[long wharf]

but still good

[steel egret]

Thats pretty good

damage is like 16 instead of what.. 17?

rest almost maxed, including the cloud.

[celest oar]

15.75

[steel egret]

I would trade mine for it.

[celest oar]

i dont use purg though

[steel egret]

Neither do I

but its 380

[celest oar]

i am a heretical trauma user 🤣

[steel egret]

who isnt

[celest oar]

ppl who use surge, or void machine guns

[fluid knot]

Why use void staff when you can have an actual machine gun

[celest oar]

or the even more heretical gun pyskers lolz

[fluid knot]

[celest oar]

heres one right here

[fluid knot]

Yes.

Autogun go brrrrrrr

[celest oar]

i really want to go axe lolz

but the game decided to throw this at me

sadly too poor to upgrade 🤣

[jovial quail]

38 more missions by tomorrow for my frame so excited this has been one of the most sloggish grinds i've self imposed upon myself lol

[lost elk]

sheeeeeesh

let us know if its animated

[jovial quail]

For sure for sure, i'll make a post here and reddit showcasing it

[celest oar]

it isnt, its just the misson select

but it glows lolz

[jovial quail]

Wait someone else already has it? Would love to see it

[celest oar]

nah you can see it from the challenge

[jovial quail]

Ahh fair

Still, if it is for whatever reason animated or anything i'll make a gif otherwise ill SS it tomorrow

So fking tempted to buy another account to dual log with GEforce since I tried it with my roomates account and you can get solo mode by joining in private and leaving

Pretty sure I read that if your teamate leaves a private match it'll turn public but for 5 games it didnt let anyone in

[topaz surge]

worth getting? I already have a god roll purgatos and void

[echo parrot]

No

[topaz surge]

k

[echo parrot]

Its base stats are only 316, and you can easily get a 350+ from dockets. Plus only a 360+ is really worth upgrading imo.

[jovial quail]

If it was 370+ it'd be worth but that base rating is to low imo, plus you should be able to farm enough of those blessings to make both t4 for your other weapons at a later date

Only thing staves have going for them is the absolute lackluster of choices with blessings lmao

[fringe garden]

I somehow doubt they will let us change both blessings

[jovial quail]

So at least its easy to farm the more important ones

Yeahhh I have a couple t4 blessed ones with garbage secondaries

[sleek loom]

is blazing spirit possible on a surgestaff?

[fresh reef]

dude why is every veteran player a dickhead

I do not get it

[sleek loom]

its the COD class duh

[fresh reef]

every single one that's had a mic has been passive aggressive as sin

[sleek loom]

rough

[celest oar]

no

[fringe garden]

Almost no one ever speaks in my games.

[celest oar]

it got removed

[sleek loom]

but why, it sounds actually interesting for surgestaff

[fringe garden]

Anyone else ever came across a purge staff user that exclusively uses the LMB attack? Never.. literally ever... Charged up the 2nd attack. The noise spam was terrible lol

[fast swan]

what feats do y'all use for void staff and force sword build?

[sleek loom]

i use 3 2 2 1 3 3

[mighty pike]

I've only ever had 1 person use mic and sure enough he was annoying

[fresh reef]

a lot of the people who use mic are actually really friendly, I've found

none of them were vets

it's either zealots or ogryns, and psykers are a 50/50 whether they're an asshole or not

[supple skiff]

after 4 failed heresy's in a row I think im done pugging over malice

[languid tusk]

i just made my first psyker

what is something I should know about psyker beore I start playing ?

[mighty pike]

It's not fun until you're level thirty

[sleek loom]

sadly true

[mighty pike]

No. The only thing you need to know is that your brainburst is an elite-killing tool and an otherworldly sniper rifle. It's not for much else

[sleek loom]

its great for bombers

[fast swan]

its fun, just not fun until you get the force staffs at like level 4

[sleek loom]

kark them

[fast swan]

force sword specail kills stuff on headshot

any stuff

[fluid knot]

Just play gun psyker and dont suffer during the levelling process

[sleek loom]

gun psyker

[mighty pike]

That's what I did but all the guns feel more or less the same

[languid tusk]

i like the laspistol

high accuracy and mobility

[thick sable]

Don’t listen to the whining here and just have fun

[fluid knot]

Laughs in sustained DPS

Its amazing what you can do when you dont have to stop to quell every 10s

[long wharf]

you mean laughs in sustained DPS budget Veteran

[glacial abyss]

correct

This is how I know you’re a real psyker

[sleek loom]

imagine realoading and stealing ammo instead

[fluid knot]

Budget veteran without shit dodges and actual CC yeah

[glacial abyss]

Everyone who says otherwise is retarded

psyker is a class for the best

simple as

[mighty pike]

If you balance it all right you only need to quell as much as you'd otherwise need to reload. There's actually more downtime sometimes with guns than otherwise. At least on malice

And you can use your force push to halve it at any point

[fluid knot]

Yeah sure you havent gotta do it constantly, but there is a lot more time quelling than reloading for sure because you typically dont empty your whole mag into one special to get a kill, and anything else you engage in melee

[sleek loom]

not like everyone else is already fighting for ammo and we dont need any resources

[glacial abyss]

I like using staffs staff is goated

[fluid knot]

Honestly dont feel like ammo pickups are much of a holdback for gun psyker, if you've got the gun out all the time, you're literally playing it wrong

[mighty pike]

I guess so, but you only need to be below 97% or whatever yo get another brainburst so it's often just a splitsecond vent before you can clear another elite in my experience. Or at least that's how I play now I have a good staff

[arctic roost]

Is there a way to track this? i've done over 15 missions now and i have no idea which mission type ive not done yet

[fluid knot]

Gun is for specials unless you're using lasgun, because torrent lasgun is a fucking horde destroyer

[mighty pike]

No

[glacial abyss]

good staff like a surge with high crit and warp flurry once it’s fixed is the dub

[glacial abyss]

no

[arctic roost]

thanks and meh..

[fringe garden]

Force sword is a trap

[long wharf]

Iiii don't think you get to tell anybody else they're playing psyker wrong, period.

[fluid knot]

Ye for a Bb sure it is, but you get that same functionality playing gun psyker, so thats kinda a moot point

[mighty pike]

But if you play purgatus then you get the gun functionality and a complete hordestopper through your brainburst and staff respectively

[fluid knot]

I'll take my actually being able to kill specials in a timely fashion over fancy CC staff that is only slightly more effective than just melee killing stuff

[long wharf]

you don't get it - as a gun psyker, you are just a less effective Veteran

at all ranges, in every scenario

[glacial abyss]

True!

[steel egret]

So a underdog

Hard to MASTER skill play

[long wharf]

you're actively ignoring the one thing psykers excel at

[glacial abyss]

a dog

[fluid knot]

Arguably more effective, the only thing you dont benifit from is the targetting buffs, you have far more utility as gun psyker and better manuvering round the level

[long wharf]

no, just a cripple insisting they're just as good

[sinful stream]

It's a trap if you are trying to be space wizard without a magic sword - aka a lame one

[steel egret]

So you are saying if I can overcome that I'm actually a ... a god?

[long wharf]

wrong, you don't benefit from most of your feats, whereas a Vet benefits greatly from nearly all of their feats

[fluid knot]

Powersword is a trap

[supple skiff]

FS with the right blessing is fantastic

[arctic roost]

everything has a nieche tbh.
Veterans have the nieceh of being able to kill everything in seconds vs psychers can kill everything given enough time. SO THERE

[long wharf]

do you mean "niche"?

[mighty pike]

For lore accuracy as psyker you need to be as much of a controversial and unreliable reject as possible, so I support gun psyker

[glacial abyss]

???

[fluid knot]

Uhm, that depends wholly on what feats you're using

[steel egret]

Nietche.

[long wharf]

because there is no niche for gunpsyker

[arctic roost]

i always misspell that shit >.>

[fluid knot]

Works fine for me up to Heresy, dunno what to tell you man shrugs

[long wharf]

I mean, if you were playing gunpsyker ironically to be lore funny friendly, that'd be one thing

[arctic roost]

its not like a psyker cant do it, but they do need a bit of a buff

[fluid knot]

I would assume it also works on Damn' but im not consistent there on any character yet

[supple skiff]

this is why they removed scoreboards lol

[long wharf]

pretending you're as good as a Veteran Sharpshooter with a gun... you're just insane

[glacial abyss]

Very true!

[arctic roost]

with half the ammo and not the damage % buff

[hushed glade]

Being carried /shrug

[fluid knot]

No lol

[hushed glade]

Sure lol

[steel egret]

I just accidentally ran Malice with laspistol.

[arctic roost]

I do wanna see on the scoreboard though. Because with the flamestaff i'm sure you can top the damage on 5^ due to the sick amount of aoe damage.

Or if there's a stagger counter you'd top that with the flame staff for sure

[fluid knot]

I didnt say better with a gun, i said more utility, the two are not the same lool

[long wharf]

nobody is arguing that you can't complete missions as a gunpsyker

so stop that strawman nonsense

[glacial abyss]

you can run anything with any build and survive as long as you got smart teammates

[fluid knot]

Or have half a brain yourself

[long wharf]

you are objectively, factually less effective with a gun than a Veteran

[glacial abyss]

literally carry braindeads through heresy

[hushed glade]

No one said they couldn’t, but they are being carried by the team

[glacial abyss]

I hear the last man standing soundtrack on the daily

[supple skiff]

^

[steel egret]

I mean its always carry, why not have some fun or variety.

[fluid knot]

Psykers mad when someone isnt using funny magic stick

[long wharf]

idiots delusional when they want to play a non-psyker psyker

[glacial abyss]

you referred to psykers as the out group! You aren’t a real psyker!

[vapid brook]

question: how much do you like your groups when you have ogryns?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[steel egret]

Nopsyker.

[fluid knot]

I'll keep doing what suits my gameplay and i enjoy, enjoy your malding about it

[mighty pike]

As someone who spent most of their time levelling up as psyker using all the different guns I could find I can say it's not a worthless strategy, but it feels much less effective to me than balancing the brainburst/flamethrower staff/axe or whatever

[long wharf]

just admit you don't want to play optimally, and that'll be the end of the argument

recognize that you're doing it for flavor, not effectiveness

[glacial abyss]

I hate ogryns not gonna lie

[steel egret]

Flavor is salt.

[arctic roost]

i might not fit in here either then... i 100%ed penence wise at least the veteran first...

[ebon jolt]

Wish the Pysker had access to the shotgun.

[fluid knot]

Ok. I dont want to be a boring meta-slave who only uses the "supposedly" best in slot items all the time

[vapid brook]

why tho

[glacial abyss]

get in my way and sound dumb

[mighty pike]

They did in the beta at one point

[long wharf]

I bet you kiss your mother with that mouth, too

[arctic roost]

To trigger the people here LOLOLOL

[hybrid zephyr]

Ogryn doesn’t matter, only thing matters is if they know how to maximize their class specialties and if they have good awareness

[glacial abyss]

not saying ogryn players are bad or the class is bad just doesn’t like them

[supple skiff]

either low tier bait or dunning kruger effect in ful swing

[steel egret]

Doesnt bother anyone, veterans are victims.

[fluid knot]

Everyone hates the Ogryn till the Ogryn aint there anymore and then they realise how much they needed the melee help

[mighty pike]

Victims of the destruction of cadia

[steel egret]

For Cadia?

[long wharf]

I've never hated ogryns

[hybrid zephyr]

I might main ogryn once I’m done leveling the psyker, I like a challenge

[fluid knot]

Do, its a good time

[long wharf]

I love having an ogryn on the team, as a psyker

a walking meat shield is immensely useful to me, as my attacks all go through him

[steel egret]

What is the challenge in that again?

selection of tank tops?

[vapid brook]

what if we gave all the veteran characters ptsd that became a similar mechanic to psyker peril (i am just making a joke, not trying to offend people, ptsd is a real problem)

[hybrid zephyr]

I also think everyone should play every class just to understand how their main class can better support other classes

[glacial abyss]

ogryn isn’t hard to play. You can run malice pretty early

[long wharf]

just get right up his butt so you somewhat see through the ogryn, and you're in the sweet spot

[fluid knot]

You're basically the team saver for 80% of the match, sure you can do a lot of damage with the right setups, but Ogryn gameplay is knowing how to keep your team alive properly, not shitting DPS at the nearest random enemy

[steel egret]

Daddy Ogryn

[glacial abyss]

I am level 30 in all classes except ogryn, level 17

got bored of the game so stopped

[mighty pike]

Is there that much difference between how zealot and veteran play though? I've done both and it's not felt that different. I just shoot more or shoot less

[long wharf]

yeah, I got my ogryn to 30 and haven't touched him since

[fluid knot]

If you're not a team player, you will hate Ogryn gameplay, tends to be the trend

[glacial abyss]

zealot to me is melee just don’t use gun a lot and swing a lot

[steel egret]

There should be, but players occasionally dont.. play for benefits of the class like previous discussion.

[hybrid zephyr]

Zealot feats and toughness favour melee, so great zealot players know how to plan their approach and disrupt the regular ranged mooks

[glacial abyss]

also I swear power sword vet is more efficient than anything zealot has

[hybrid zephyr]

Not that you can’t learn it going melee on veteran

[long wharf]

I like to think the zealot's primary job is putting ranged units into melee

[steel egret]

most efficient in game.

[glacial abyss]

Very true

[mighty pike]

Results vary significantly on whether your team can fill in for your deficits, definitely

[fluid knot]

Powersword seems to ruin many players melee skill thoguh

[glacial abyss]

also very true

[long wharf]

power sword vet isn't more efficient at the horde than the flamer

[steel egret]

Could be just a veteran thing.

[long wharf]

but being decent with the power sword doesn't require learning how to dance around a horde, so.

[steel egret]

Camo expert and whole 200 toughness and so on.

[mighty pike]

Veterans do like to avoid melee as much as possible sometimes

[hybrid zephyr]

I find (in my own experiences with groups) that most veterans aren’t aware of the threat regular ranged enemies pose

[steel egret]

Might come as surprise to them everyone doesnt have 200 and enemies also target you

[hybrid zephyr]

IMO they are more dangerous than crushers/maulers

[long wharf]

easily

a small group of mob gunners on heresy+ can and will take a player down stupid fast

[steel egret]

Slow walking crusher and mauler.

[mighty pike]

Any melee grunt is less dangerous than two dregs who won't stop gunning you down

[steel egret]

So close you can pick their pockets but they just wont put guns away.

[mighty pike]

It's my only argument pro-gunpsyker

[hybrid zephyr]

So I think it’s good to have people try zealot to understand how much soft cc they bring by simply bring in melee range of these gun mooks

[steel egret]

Gunsyker.

[celest oar]

one of the reasons i love ogryn

[steel egret]

Ogryn slap.

[celest oar]

just charge straight in and cc them

[long wharf]

it's an argument for running void staff, however

[hybrid zephyr]

Likewise having everyone learn how valuable the cc from psyker staffs are, and how much ramp up time psykers need

[steel egret]

Ogryn slaps guy with a giant chainsaw axe and goes " go on den git"

[long wharf]

psyker CC doesn't need ramp up time

[hybrid zephyr]

I need to learn ogryn myself, they are cc monsters

[celest oar]

depends on staff, not everyone uses surge lolz

in fact its the majority who dont use surge

[long wharf]

ogryn aren't crowd control

[steel egret]

Yeah but they are fun.

[fluid knot]

Thats whys fun with Psyker, it can do either CC or Single Target, and it can do both to quite a high level of effectiveness no matter what you use

[fluid knot]

WAT

[steel egret]

Then again

[fluid knot]

Thats literally like half our damn jobs

[steel egret]

what are they if not CC

[mighty pike]

Purgatus is my personal favourite. The fire totally locks down lots of enemies at once and the charge time is still short

[long wharf]

ogryn can be a meat shield

[celest oar]

vet obstructions?

[steel egret]

Ah yes

[long wharf]

they can throw/shoot grenades to clear a crowd

but neither of those things are "crowd control"

[steel egret]

Thats fine, teaches vets to move you see.

[celest oar]

i much prefer ripper tbh

[fluid knot]

Rumbler wants a word out the back mate

That is literally pure CC and utility

[celest oar]

rumbler depends alot on having teammates who help to kill mobs which are down lolz

[silver portal]

Voidstrike better imo since you can cc and headshot in a row

[celest oar]

ripper be like... "let it rip"

[hybrid zephyr]

It’s the (small, but still there) charge time that makes them not as responsive in “oh shit” situations

[celest oar]

but this is pysker channel xD

[long wharf]

for the record, scattering a crowd isn't controlling it

[fluid knot]

Pair Rumber with MKIII knife, or Stubber with P'maul, easy horde clear and CC

[long wharf]

in fact, scattering a crowd makes it harder for everyone else who has AoE to kill that crowd

[steel egret]

Is this turning into "Ogryn cant damnation without shield?"

[long wharf]

also leads to time wasted trying to make sure nothing on the ground is getting back up

[fluid knot]

Anyone who says that is a literal reddit newb

[mighty pike]

The trick I've found is to group them in front and block-shove and that's normally enough to charge a tiny amount for the stagger for a full amount. Or the force push ability gives you ample time. That's my experience so far

[long wharf]

ogryns can do damnation like anyone else

I just personally get annoyed when an ogryn player charges through an otherwise handled crowd

[steel egret]

Pain train!

[silver portal]

Who?

[fluid knot]

To put it simply, a crowd that is dead is beyond "controlled"

[long wharf]

knocking enemies to where I'm not easily dispatching them makes things more difficult, not easier

[celest oar]

cleaver is objectively better, but i prefer shield for more support lolz

[silver portal]

Who?

Asked 🙂

[celest oar]

the times when i am using cleaver and wished i was carrying a shield are generally "time to wipe" moments

[long wharf]

everyone that brings horde clearing to the team wants crowds together

[celest oar]

same for why i use deflector FS instead of axe

[long wharf]

it maximizes the horde clearing efficiency

[steel egret]

You would need to bring 4 shields to fix that.

and some neospray.

[celest oar]

the times i wish i am using deflector when on axe tends to be the "Oh shit, pinned by fire" moments

[long wharf]

being pinned by fire doesn't lead to a moment where deflector shines

[steel egret]

???

[long wharf]

because deflector doesn't turn you into an invincible tank

[celest oar]

i can at reposition without taking damage then swap to staff

without deflector i did be taking damage all the way xD

[long wharf]

you can dodge through enemy fire as well

dodge sliding isn't hard, and it's incredibly effective

[hybrid zephyr]

I mean ok if you’re being pedantic. I’m referring to the things ogryn can do that the rest can’t, like bull charging a friend out of the stomach of a Nurgle Beast

[fluid knot]

that varies a LOT.. Sometimes your team being out in the open doesnt benifit the situation and rushing a big group out the way so the others can move is exactly the kind of support you should be doing as Ogryn

[celest oar]

the moments i need it, i cant

[long wharf]

I 100% agree with this

[steel egret]

Perhaps Ogryn Psyker...

Sparkskull

[celest oar]

an ogryn pysker eh...

that did make my day

[long wharf]

the issue is, if you're pinned down by gunners, they're just as readily push your peril up into critical within a second or two

deflector fsword doesn't turn you into a tank, just a very short-term protection for specific situations

[hybrid zephyr]

Yea I also think deflector shouldn’t be relied on as much, but that’s a skill to be developed over time

[jovial frigate]

frontline diving ranged mobs can be a tide turner 4 sure

[mighty pike]

It's like brainburst

Deflector is a tool in the box but not always the first one you grab

But I would like it possible on the duelling sword

[fluid knot]

Literally, people are often too scared to do it in pubs though which can stall the whole run, especially on Heresy+ where the director will keep spawining nasties if you're not moving fast enough

[arctic rampart]

Deflector should just be a Psyker passive. Especially since they've given us only one force weapon.

[hybrid zephyr]

I like duelling sword, the mobility and move set is great for those “where did these three armoured guys come from” moments

[long wharf]

it should definitely be a feat

it makes sense as a feat

[mighty pike]

I resent the semi-obligation to use the force sword

[long wharf]

I just about never use my fsword

[hybrid zephyr]

Plus I get to rep Saltzpyre for a bit

[long wharf]

it just sits in my inventory collecting dust

[fluid knot]

MKII Axe 🙏

[long wharf]

MkV Combat Axe

[mighty pike]

What's the difference

[long wharf]

moveset

[fluid knot]

MKV is the really fast one innit?

[long wharf]

the MkV has a push+attack that is a clean horizontal cleaving swing

[mighty pike]

They're both single target aren't they?

[fluid knot]

All but one of them is yeah

[long wharf]

it is the horde clear move

[arctic rampart]

Also brutal momentum on Mk5 turns it into insane horde clear + single target.

[long wharf]

mine doesn't even have great blessings

yep, I can't wait to put brutal momentum and limbsplitter on it

[hybrid zephyr]

Honestly the melee weapon I like the least is the 2h sword, I feel like it has very little purpose for any class

[mighty pike]

I was under the impression that the horde clear move was shouting "ENGAGING WARP PROTOCOLS" and setting them all on fire

[long wharf]

well, that's not a melee maneuver

[fluid knot]

You dont want limbsplitter, ill have to dig up the discussion at somepoint, but yeah basically, its a nerf

[long wharf]

you absolutely do want limbsplitter

[arctic rampart]

Only if you cancel after every attack.

[mighty pike]

Ideally you want half a limbsplitted

[long wharf]

because when you push+attack, that's a reset of the attack chain

[fluid knot]

Someone in another discord was literally looking at the code an said limbsplitter is a nerf to your damage output

Brutal momentum tho yeah for sure

[long wharf]

I don't care, limbsplitter isn't about dps over time

limbsplitter is about that first hit

and if you're nearly always doing a "first hit", it's massive dps gain over time

[arctic rampart]

I think certainly with brutal momentum you wouldn't want limbsplitter. Would negate the ability to trash hordes on regular lights.

[long wharf]

wrong again

blocking resets the attack chain

[arctic rampart]

Or at least lower the damage overall.

[long wharf]

constant push+attack means constantly blocking in order to push+attack

[fluid knot]

You dont want limbsplitter because you're not blocking on every enemy you encounter

[mighty pike]

I don't understand brutal momentum. Surely you want one of the blessings that gives bonus power for every hit, no?

[arctic rampart]

Do you have infinite stamina?

[long wharf]

limbsplitter will literally proc every push+attack

and if you mostly push+attack, then there you go

[long wharf]

you can push+attack at 0 stamina

[fluid knot]

If you're blocking on every single melee enemy not only is that playing it far too safe, its also gonna take up time you could be filling with more kills

[arctic rampart]

Erm.. no?

[long wharf]

it's so fast, you might as well be doing light attacks

[languid tusk]

you can push attck as soon ass you have 1 stamina point

so the key is stamina regen, not +1 stamina

[arctic rampart]

That's not how it works for me, at all. Zero stam means no push attack.

[mighty pike]

AND means either you have no emergency stamina pool, or you have no emergency peril pool to use your staff

[fluid knot]

Also yes

[long wharf]

if you haven't fought a horde using your combat axe, then you have no experience to tell me I'm wrong

when I do it every game

I can fight a horde and never stop push+attacking

[languid tusk]

do you have brutal momentum on your rashad combat axe or do you just push attack cleave the horde ?

[fluid knot]

I literally use the MKII which is supposedly the "shit" one (its not, its just not all about weakspots but hey ho people are stupid)

[long wharf]

brutal momentum is strictly weakspot kills

[arctic rampart]

I use MkV constantly on my Zealot, and I can tell you that's not how it works 🤷‍♂️

[mighty pike]

The only game I've ever clutched has been against a horde with the combat axe so it sits in my heart as an unbeatable weapon

[long wharf]

this is my current best caxe

[echo parrot]

Nice cheesestick

[long wharf]

once I get brutal momentum and limbsplitter on it, it'll be beyond devastating

[mighty pike]

Why is brutal momentum preferable to headtaker or similar?

[languid tusk]

why limbsplitter though 🤔

[long wharf]

because it's so easy to get weakspot kills

[languid tusk]

wouldn't headtaker be better ?

[arctic rampart]

Makes it cleave on all attacks. Infinite cleave.

[mighty pike]

Weakspot = headshot?

[arctic rampart]

After a weakspot kill, which is so easy to get.

[long wharf]

yeah, hitting 3 things for +15% power is nice

but imagine hitting everything in front of you within reach

that is horde clear

limbsplitted because you're constantly push+attacking

[languid tusk]

kinda like the power sword

[long wharf]

so that's +20% damage/power as well

[arctic rampart]

Yep, but with a weapon that does 200+ on lights.

[long wharf]

it is the best combination for the MkV combat axe

period, full stop.

[mighty pike]

Why are you using a melee weapon for hordeclear instead of a purgatus staff outside of emergencies anyway

[long wharf]

because I prefer surge

[mighty pike]

Isn't surgr also horde clear?

[long wharf]

I caxe everything that gets close to me, surge helps the teammates and helps me close distances

noooooo no no no

no.

hah. no.

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, no 😄

[long wharf]

No.

bad Zlobenia, no donut.

[mighty pike]

I don't use it because it feels underwhelming

[long wharf]

surge isn't for generally killing things

[mighty pike]

I'm a screaming human flamethrower

[hybrid zephyr]

Psyker has very low delay time before stamina regen kicks in, and with trinkets you can be very close to infinite pushes

[long wharf]

though I'll surge flak enemies all day long

[arctic rampart]

Must get better trinkets, I guess.

[hybrid zephyr]

Whoops didn’t reply to the original guy

[long wharf]

because surge does decent damage to armored enemies

no, surge is all about locking down enemies, making them easier for the team to deal with

it's a very tactical weapon

not dps

[hybrid zephyr]

Yup but you can take advantage of it without trinkets tbh

[long wharf]

I don't even have any stamina regen on my curios

and I still can push+attack constantly

[arctic rampart]

Isn't it same stam regen as Zealot tho? And certainly can't push attack all the time. Not that usually need to, what with brutal momentum and all.

[long wharf]

I'll use light attacks on individual mobs

[hybrid zephyr]

Zealot has more delay than psyker

[long wharf]

heavy attack or two on the heavier elites

push attack on groups of anything

[arctic rampart]

I guess the pain point is push-attack = zero stam -> dodge pauses regen = can't push attack again for a bit

[long wharf]

there isn't any enemy the MkV combat axe can't address

[hybrid zephyr]

Delay= time before stamina starts to regen

[arctic rampart]

Ahh ok. Time to test things on Psyker.

[mighty pike]

Which weapon are you using for it? And are you also having to block attacks during? I've found it easy to dance around a horde light attacking and shoving with my mkV axe

[long wharf]

I'm telling you, the delay is basically unnoticeable

[hybrid zephyr]

Dodge does not stop stamina regen

Sprint does

[long wharf]

don't waste your time with light attacks on a group

use the push+attack

I've carried heresy runs with it

those annoying ragers and maulers that get mixed into the horde?

my caxe doesn't care

[hybrid zephyr]

It’s why I tried a push stab knife on zealot and it’s not as effective as psyker

[long wharf]

chews through them all

[mighty pike]

The real knife zealot was a psyker all along

Along with veteran

[long wharf]

basically the only enemies I always switch to heavy swings for are crushers and mutants

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I don't often run out of stam, but it's happened enough times that I've noticed push attack not working on zero stam.

[arctic rampart]

It does. It pauses the regen.

[hybrid zephyr]

I also learned to slide into my enemies instead of sprinting straight to them, so that I have some stamina left when I start swinging

[arctic rampart]

Oh slide to engange of course, yes.

[hybrid zephyr]

Really? I gotta test this

[fluid knot]

I mean why would you with that axe Half the flurries aint hitting anything but dead air

[long wharf]

I regularly slide and swing

[mighty pike]

This is news to me too

[fluid knot]

Yeah i do that a lot too

[long wharf]

sounds like a skill issue

I mainly slide+swing because it's fun

[arctic rampart]

Antax MkV? Uh... it's actually a good moveset when it cleaves.

[fluid knot]

Skill issue is blocking for every enemy you encounter holmes

[long wharf]

not my fault you have no clue

I gave a detailed explanation of my caxe usage

learn to read

[fluid knot]

Yeah its aight, i still prefer MKII tho, hits like a truck and the dodge hit, dodge combos feel excellent

[fluid knot]

My guy you're literally wanting to use a blessing that actively nerfs your damage with one that stacks..

[long wharf]

like I said, learn to read

maybe think for yourself?

maybe both.

[fluid knot]

Thats the trouble, i am and have

[long wharf]

oof, means you haven't

[arctic rampart]

Hm. Do you guys run Toughness or Health curios on your Psykers? I go back and forth but... can't make up my mind.

[long wharf]

health

2x health, 1 wound

[mighty pike]

Toughness

[timber shale]

Toughness

[long wharf]

check the pins

[fluid knot]

If you've got nothing but ad hominin attacks because i disagree with you on somethings, thats a you problem pal

You benifit more from HP as psyker

[hybrid zephyr]

I’m going toughness, because of toughness on quell feat

[long wharf]

you disagreeing with me doesn't make you right, though

[mighty pike]

I currently have 150 toughness which isn't excellent but that with the venting=toughness feat means I'm immune from damage for a while

[fluid knot]

Nor yourself, so wind your neck in lad because you're starting to look like a bit of a berk

[long wharf]

you aren't immune to health damage from melee enemies

again, check the channel pins

[arctic rampart]

Well you do know that at 149 thoughness you start taking melee damage? You only negate melee damage at 100% toughness. Not 100 number.

[hybrid zephyr]

Natural quelling by using a regular melee weapon also regens toughness with that feat

[long wharf]

the argument of toughness versus health curios for psyker has been had many, many, many times before

[hybrid zephyr]

Melee damage is not my concern, ranged hits are

[long wharf]

which is why the last time I explained my reasonings, we had it pinned

[fluid knot]

Buffing HP directly effects corruption impact though, which is far more of a problem when you have only small pools of both, that HP starts off 50 points higher tells you you should be buffing it

[mighty pike]

Huh. Really? That's strange. If only my shop contained things that weren't +toughness curios

[arctic rampart]

In that case toughness will last a bit longer, yeah.

[hybrid zephyr]

I can dodge or block melee damage

[long wharf]

you can slide to dodge ranged

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, at 100% toughness you block one melee hit. At anything less, you start taking some damage (some of it reduced by thoughness)

[long wharf]

positioning also mitigates ranged

[mighty pike]

But only for melee? I think I can deal with that

[arctic rampart]

So it doesn't matter if you have 50 toughness or 500 toughness, the second melee hit will always do damage. Of course higher toughness last longer for ranged, though.

[fluid knot]

Ngl, i love the way they did toughness in this game. Its a shared resource and only a catch-all for a single mistake

[long wharf]

fire strips away your toughness entirely

doesn't matter how much you have

[hybrid zephyr]

Yup but I find (in my experience) my toughness goes down to ranged far more often than to melee

[long wharf]

explosions can strip toughness

sigh

read the pinned message

I hate repeating myself

[mighty pike]

Just don't get set on fire or blown up

[arctic rampart]

Ranged is the big boss of heresy+ yeah, but... even with full toughness stacking, you can't get Psyker toughness that high.

[fluid knot]

the humble gang of lasgun scabs is without a doubt the scariest enemies in this game

Mainly because no curio buffs

[long wharf]

good luck with that

[timber shale]

Sure, but if you’re at 99% toughness you’re only taking 1% damage from that melee hit

[long wharf]

shit always happens

[hybrid zephyr]

Brother they are kill on sight for me, no matter what class

[fluid knot]

Legit, them green goggles means target no.1

[mighty pike]

I dislike dregs more because at least traitor guardsmen take cover

[fluid knot]

Dregs will too, but i assume their suppression threshold is higher, though ive not seen any numbers

[mighty pike]

They're nearly immune altogether

[long wharf]

which is bullshit

[fluid knot]

Ahh that explains why its only on the odd situation it happens then

[mighty pike]

You can test it within the psykanium. They're nurgled out of their heads

[fluid knot]

"suppress Xm on close range kill" is actually way more dank than people credit it for

[long wharf]

the problem is that number is never very high

it's helpful on, say, the purge staff

[hybrid zephyr]

Right but I would argue that you can prevent the second hit much more reliably than prevent stray bullets

[mighty pike]

My experience is once you're in melee it's okay, but getting to melee or being caught unawares is like running at a machinegun

[fluid knot]

Weirdly, the Kickback, though its not a great weapon, it has excellent suppression

[long wharf]

and I'm pretty sure there's a mechanic where enemies become more resistant to suppression the more they're suppressed

[fluid knot]

Slide at them into a swing is my default, usually if there is more than one most will miss which closes the gap on teh first one an will cause a lot of the rest to pull out knives

[fluid knot]

That wouldnt shock me in the least

[long wharf]

my general tactic, if it's not a staggered firing line of gunners, is to slide to the nearest, hit him with the swing I queued up, then slide to the next nearest, etc.

doing that means you get those guys to go melee and aggro on you

[fluid knot]

It is funny bearing down on human size enemies as ogryn an they put the gun away to pull out a knife.. Like cmon pal, you really think you're gonna win this

[long wharf]

do that for as long as you have stamina for, works pretty well

[fluid knot]

Yep pretty much, mobility is king

At least vs ranged

[elfin roost]

"Mf my knife is literally the size of 2 of you"

[fluid knot]

For real tho

the P'maul is literally the size and girth of your average guardsman

[long wharf]

yeah, only the most nurgled enemies should feel like it's okay to charge the ogryn

also, I think the ogryn should be the only class that can push the poxhound off of them

[elfin roost]

Also psyker question, I like how he works but when does he start showing the level of utility I hear he has?

[long wharf]

I also want the ogryn to be able to pick up random environmental objects and use them as improvised weapons

[fluid knot]

It would make the character more fun if you had a default of like 10m suppression (should be part of towering presence tbh)

[hybrid zephyr]

Does the combat knife melee special punch get dogs off of people?

[long wharf]

no idea

[mighty pike]

Like level 25? 😐 It takes a while because feats are the most impressive part

[hybrid zephyr]

I want to try but I don’t like the feel of the knife

[elfin roost]

Alright then I was just kinda hoping I wasnt there yet

[long wharf]

psyker can be useful as soon as you get a surge staff

even a shit surge staff has utility

[elfin roost]

Look at the oggy

[fluid knot]

Psyker has loads of utility, as much as Ogryn, and far more than other two, Cc and single target are both in the repetiore

[long wharf]

oooo, looky what my vet just bought from the shop

[fluid knot]

That being said, i need to give Zealot a try an see what thats about

[fluid knot]

Nice!

[long wharf]

yeah, finally a decent MG12

[elfin roost]

Youre an ogryn in a human's body

[hybrid zephyr]

In early levels and lower difficulties, brain burst is great for killing specials that run a lot (bomber, dogs, trappers, mutant)

[elfin roost]

Yeah

[long wharf]

at lower difficulties, BB makes you feel like a god

[hybrid zephyr]

Then as you progress you get the staffs that pump out very good control

[elfin roost]

Surge staff I cant imagine is the best of the staves right?

[long wharf]

at Malice, you start to see BB no longer one-shotting everything

[long wharf]

it's all about playstyle

I prefer surge and void

I avoid trauma like a greased anal wart

[fluid knot]

Now you have a reason to run the best weapon skin

[long wharf]

I'd have to buy it first

[elfin roost]

Yeah same here, though they seem to really like purgatus on psykinetic

[long wharf]

I think purge still needs work

and I want to see blazing spirit available on purge as well

[elfin roost]

Yeah, not nearly enough range for what it can do about as good as void

[long wharf]

until you hit damnation, where purge excels at clearing the horde, no matter how large it gets

[hybrid zephyr]

So to answer your question, psykers are great Utility from level one, imo

[mighty pike]

Purgatus is the only one I use personally because it's the one that feels the coolest

[fluid knot]

its still gud in later diffculties but its much more a pick an choose thing as opposed to a kill everything button

[elfin roost]

Im a very damaged soul and have memories of how god awful these things were in vermintide 2 lmfao

[nimble burrow]

I like Purge, it's like using the spraycan in ms paint.

[long wharf]

BB becomes limited in utility at heresy+

learning to recognize when to use it is important

[nimble burrow]

I got one with 80% cloud size and range and it's nuts

[long wharf]

as a lot of the time, waiting 3 seconds to kill one thing is a waste of time

[ebon jolt]

Are there any settings I can disable to tone down the Psyker peril, staff, force shield block and other VXF? Or the 1 wound left VFX?

[elfin roost]

For my brain burst I draw the sniper as the soy wojack!

[mighty pike]

Promise it's better. You get a load of whispers and a storm crackling in your mind and you let out a stream of soulblaze that interrupts most things and procs your other feats. Sometimes you can straight up explode someone's head with it

[nimble burrow]

I mostly use BB for the big lads or anything I can spam tag in the back like bombers and snipers

[long wharf]

I don't think purge staggers the ogryn enemies

[fluid knot]

Shotgunners, make distance, one pop their noggins before they pose a problem

I fuggin hate shotgunners

[long wharf]

void, however, staggers basically everything it hits with the charged shot

[elfin roost]

Best part of BB is how you can target, then hide

[fluid knot]

Noone ever prioritises them an they hit as hard as snipers

[fringe garden]

Trauma is good if you primarily use something like a nicely rolled Antax. Since most of my killing is with melee I swap to Trauma to bust apart clumps of enemies, especially ranged, and quickly generate peril. Primarily using a non-force weapon melee lets me autoquell for toughness while swinging the axe. It's a very nice flow

[elfin roost]

You take out things so safely at range

[long wharf]

FartShart really needs to fix the BB targetting

[fluid knot]

Yer 100% should prioritize elite enemies

[mighty pike]

For a split second, and only the ones in the blast radius

[elfin roost]

fr

[long wharf]

well of course, but that split second can do wonders

reapers reset

you can spam it at that point

ew

I was hoping for weakspot damage

[mighty pike]

And they're worse because they're much less dodgeable

[hybrid zephyr]

Surge staff is the most popular because it controls units that are almost immune to everything else (maulers, crushers, etc). That doesn’t mean it’s the best, other staves have their pros and cons and it’s often how well you use the staff and understanding it’s shortcomings

[fluid knot]

Yeah somewhat, gotta go sideways, trouble is they can refire again super fast so they need dropping as soon as they're spotted

[elfin roost]

Worst feeling is when they randomly decide to pop an enemy right behind you

[hybrid zephyr]

^

[long wharf]

no, worst is when a whole squad of gunners, and a crusher and two maulers, spawns right behind you

[hybrid zephyr]

Or that one stupid laggard that’s late to the horde party, running on Asian time

[elfin roost]

fr

[mighty pike]

Crumbs is the voice of rationality today

[hybrid zephyr]

😊

[fluid knot]

I assume this is a carryover from VT but ive noticed enemies hide in all kinda janky places, like inside medicaes an the like, control panels, vents, lockers, but explains why its so easy to get an axe to the back of the head if you're not checking behind you constantly

[long wharf]

I never played VT

[mighty pike]

Even I don't remember them being that stealthy about it in Vermintide. In the grim darkness of the far future there's always some bastard behind you

[hybrid zephyr]

I think the level design in this game has more holes in the ceiling than VT2, so you get armor units appearing literally every direction

[echo parrot]

ngl your char is hot

[timber shale]

is Kinetic Shield is based on peril or warp charges?

[mighty pike]

You've not seen my ogryn

[echo parrot]

I dont want to

[hybrid zephyr]

The desert favela map is my nightmare tbh

[fluid knot]

Yeah its super weird, but also, its super clever because you really have to be paying attention to pick up on them, its like they're spawned directionally so they're completely hidden by the meshes until the animation pokes out somewhere

[fluid knot]

This would also check out

[mighty pike]

Too late. His name is Crunk

[oak falcon]

Which one is better in your opinion, idk if I should get the blue now or wait for em to release the hooded outfit

[fringe garden]

Block is 360 degrees, or at least much wider, which does offset that.

[echo parrot]

Ok, I am warmed up, but Ogryn bod is not my type.

[fluid knot]

Top one personally

[hybrid zephyr]

Prison garb best garb

Kidding kidding

[mighty pike]

Buying something from the in-game store is against the Lex but if I was forced into it I would buy the top one

[echo parrot]

I like the bottom. The top looks good but black on black on black looks very bland to me.

[wanton sandal]

wait tbh

[oak falcon]

Eh I like that one, but idk the helmet isn't really doing it for me tbh

[wanton sandal]

looks like a snork from stalker

[hybrid zephyr]

Is that Leonardo da Vinci in 40k world

[elfin roost]

Zealot's the pope

[oak falcon]

That is so cursed

[elfin roost]

Blessed you mean

[hybrid zephyr]

This is how you tell someone got brain implants

[elfin roost]

He's literally the pope

[mighty pike]

Jean-Paul the Four-Thousandth

[elfin roost]

Pope John CXXIII

[mighty pike]

Does he or does he not endorse the god emperor

[elfin roost]

Tis a joke about how there's so goddamn many named john

[fluid knot]

We have officially reached the level of roman numerals normal people cannot interpret

[elfin roost]

He takes christian view and sees the god emperor as the living embodiment of god

[hybrid zephyr]

It reminds me of my lawn when my lawn mower can’t reach the slopes of my yard

[elfin roost]

My brother in christ its 123

[mighty pike]

Inquisitors pleased

[elfin roost]

He also uses the shrek voice because it sounds a lot like an old guy

[craggy swan]

What perks do we want on our force swords? Presuming that the primary function is the activation for the big damage payoff more than much else

Crit damage/chance?

This is what I'm running atm

[night zephyr]

dEFLECTION

Jedi go buurrrr

[craggy swan]

That's a blessing not a perk

[leaden pier]

block efficiency if you have deflection i guess

[night zephyr]

BLOCK COST Jedi go burrr

[celest oar]

block effiency and maniac iirc

[night zephyr]

stamina Jedi go Burr

[leaden pier]

against armor is good too

[elfin roost]

Tate got sent to tertium on accounts of his crimes

[fluid knot]

Takes up 6 characters to write three numbers.. Romans man, they were a whacky bunch

[celest oar]

to 1 shot maniacs on damn

[fluid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-life-brian-romans-rome-gif-11986505

[craggy swan]

mmm, maniacs, all right

thanks

[mighty pike]

I've never wanted the universe to be more grim and dark before now

[celest oar]

if you dont have deflector, you are better off running axe

only real reason to use FS is deflector

[craggy swan]

I do have deflector on another force sword but it's not as good as this one

[mighty pike]

Axe will always be my first bet

[elfin roost]

Oh right my ogryn is based off of Genghis Khan

[celest oar]

Axe > FS

[echo parrot]

That one teammate you just will not revive.

[craggy swan]

Plus, I'm always running surge so the only time I use the sword is to pop the skull of a beefy enemy and/or maniac

[celest oar]

but FS is the clutch save lolz, and i dont trust my pubs so i bring a FS

[hybrid zephyr]

Part of me thinks building the force sword for single target is a little wasteful when we have brain burst, but you do you

[elfin roost]

And with good reason

[compact portal]

(literally skips with daisies over every axe for any force sword)🗡️

[fluid knot]

A u t o g u n

[celest oar]

shoo

[hot field]

what " Rending " ?

[fluid knot]

[hot field]

saw it on a force sword

[hybrid zephyr]

I can appreciate that

[fluid knot]

Currently broken is what it is

[hybrid zephyr]

If you said revolver psyker though I’d be raising eyebrows

[celest oar]

oh yea, something about weapons beyond 1 getting LESS armor pierce

[fluid knot]

Im not opposed to rolling with that if its a malice game or lower/helping someone level up

But for serious runs, no

[hybrid zephyr]

Fair fair

[celest oar]

i mean... on malice anything goes lolz

[fluid knot]

'zactly

[celest oar]

voidstrike with MG exploit destroys the entire horde, and everything with it lolz

try doing that on heresy and you just cry tears... okay not that bad, but still no where near as efficient 🤣