psyker-class

[shut thorn]

It's the third largest hitbox in the game

[wet raven]

youd be surprised sibling

[shut thorn]

you missed

[half iron]

they missed

[wet raven]

it isnt possible to miss where i was aiming, got blood splatter and no damage

[summer prairie]

also cloud is definitely useful on purgatus. Even at max distance it's decent against the horde

[wet raven]

this games hit reg is so bad i can knock a sniper on his ass with a bolter not once but twice and still not get the killing blow

[summer prairie]

try a cloud 20 purgatus, it's pretty pathetic

[fluid knot]

The best horde clear is lasgun

[inland sand]

small fart staff

[magic burrow]

why do people insist on picking up grimoires

[fluid knot]

Weeklies

[wet raven]

money

[fluid knot]

Melk-tokens

[magic burrow]

I have like no health. Grimoires fuck me up.

[half iron]

do it as a test to your fellow pubs

[wet raven]

im sorry didnt you mean...

[cunning hill]

get more health

[mental rock]

sounds like a skill issue

[half iron]

unless you are said fellow pubs

[magic burrow]

grimoires should be personal instead of squad wide

[wet raven]

have you tried investing in con?

[shut thorn]

It's not an important stat, you can close distance in this game safely anyw

If you got a 20% on cloud, you're not running a decent weapon to begin w

[wet raven]

to a degree, there are a lot of instances where you need to use cover and not being able to reach gunners is REALLY BAD

[summer prairie]

it's an important stat and people overstate how big a difference burn does

[near wyvern]

Cloud increases your damage output since it greatly increases the targets you can hit at the same time

[summer prairie]

and it's laughable to say you can close the distance in this game safely

[wet raven]

its the difference of doing 160 dps verse like 270 dps, on a flamer :V i havent got a low burn staff to test purgator

[shut thorn]

how are you having difficulties closing distance

cloud is also not a stat you should prioritize

[summer prairie]

any time there are gunners

[near wyvern]

And just to point out, don't ever try to close the distance on a ranged mob at damnation unless you absolutely have to

[wet raven]

it also increases the speed the dot stacks so, very important :>

[shut thorn]

literally equip a deflector fs, problem solved

[wet raven]

sometimes we like to run things that are not force swords :V sibling

[summer prairie]

good luck closing the distance on damnation with deflector when there's a group of gunners

also that would mean running FS

which isn't a great weapon

[shut thorn]

then use slides/diag dodges

[shut thorn]

done it plenty of times

how are you having difficulties

[wet raven]

tell that to your hp when you have 12 different angles youre being shot from

[summer prairie]

you move very slowly and hit critical treshhold very fast and then you are stuck alone with a group of gunners

[shut thorn]

then you're playing like an idiot

imagine unironically trying to argue for 80% cloud

jesus christ

[summer prairie]

anyway no reason to close the distance, that's a dumb move

[wet raven]

youre telling them to play like an idiot

[summer prairie]

who was arguing for 80 cloud

it's just a useful stat, not the best one

[shut thorn]

you literally are rn

[summer prairie]

no you keep saying it's not useful

[wet raven]

60 is good, you just need a decent stat in it

[shut thorn]

I said it's not an important stat while you're acting like you should focus it

[wet raven]

sibling, you need to quell

[shut thorn]

I said not important, it's going to be 60% on a 380 roll

[wet raven]

your peril is too high

[summer prairie]

when burn goes like from 0.35 tic sped to 0.34 from 70 to 80

and one extra stack

which doesnt even matter on most enemies

[ebon jolt]

Hm... Melk be selling some decent gear. Base stats are high, distribution could be a bit better. Perks are bad. But blessings are good. Limbsplitter seems decent for spamming push attacks.

[near wyvern]

Still waiting for a 350+ item from Melk

[wet raven]

limb splitter is extremely bad, kills all axes

[summer prairie]

it's good on that one

[near wyvern]

Agreed.

[ebon jolt]

Isn't each push attack a new attack chain?

[near wyvern]

Limb splitter would be so much better on devils claw

[summer prairie]

every push attack is a new chain

[echo parrot]

Still waiting for a 350+ item from Melk to be useful

ftfy

[near wyvern]

You are one step closer than me then

[wet raven]

with axes you generally want to be either chaining heavys or chaining lights (depends which one you are using) limbsplitter, literally punishes you for doing this

[summer prairie]

most psykers only spam push attack on that one

[shut thorn]

Melk should only sell 380s

[near wyvern]

Why would you intentionally gimp your DPS if you are safe

[wet raven]

naw 360-380, seen him selling a 290 once

[shut thorn]

You're misunderstanding what I said, he should, not that he is

[summer prairie]

the push attack is good against the horde, but I don't personally use it so haven't compared how good the lights are

[echo parrot]

Thats a bit overkill imo because after just a couple of weeks everyone would be kitted.

However

The ability to purchase blessings and crafting mats would be nice.

[shut thorn]

people become kitted after a couple of weeks regardless, this grind setup sucks

[wet raven]

you misunderstand what im saying, he should do this instead, not straight that

[near wyvern]

You still have perk and blessing combinations as well as the actual stat distribution.

[shut thorn]

why 360, his coins are weekly

[deft trench]

Does kinetic deflection get affected by block efficiency?

[shut thorn]

yes

[near wyvern]

That's still a lot of RNG for something that you can roll only once per day

[wet raven]

because having perfect god rolls would defeat the purpose of why they even have rng to begin with :V which is to keep you coming back

[ebon jolt]

"Instead of fully releasing crafting we're just going to make Melk's shop better. Happy New Year!"

[wet raven]

you have to ask less before asking more sibling, dont be block headed

[jovial frigate]

pick 1

[near wyvern]

I highly doubt there will be any updates this year

[shut thorn]

Shit take, literally just a shit take

[echo parrot]

Still think the ability to purchase blessings and crafting mats would be better. If he sells 380's then once you get the weapons you want he is useless again and you are back to flipping the shop every hour. If he offers blessings and crafting mats then he stays relevant overall.

[shut thorn]

There's more to a weapon than just it's base stats

The distribution isn't always going to be perfect either

[echo parrot]

I know this

It doesnt change my mind though

[shut thorn]

not responding to u

[echo parrot]

Ah gotcha

[shut thorn]

and yeah

crafting mats for melk coins

would be ideal

i fucking hate mat grind

[wet raven]

yes, because asking developers who clearly have your best interests at heart are going to compromise everything :>

[echo parrot]

The plastic grind is real

Real pain

[shut thorn]

calm down redditor

[wet raven]

how much should i ask for christmas? 1000$ or 800$

[near wyvern]

At this logic red items should never be released since they invalidate the game

I say, let Melk roll 380 weapons and then you use ordo docket shop to farm and reinforce your blessings

[round jay]

None, it’s too late

[wet raven]

go back to your rations :> brute

[round jay]

Try again next year

[shut thorn]

red items are npc only rn, at rarity_0 without any power rating or stats

idk if theyll add red items

[modern coral]

Ask for love, not money. 😛

[shut thorn]

there is a rarity 6 but its identical to yellow rn

also all red items have unique names, which is weird considering theyre npc only

[near wyvern]

Since the stats cap at 100 they are at some point releasing more powerful items, possibly with an extra difficulty as well

[round jay]

but with money you can buy love, and an ice-cream after that

[wet raven]

its what i got :> and im happy

[echo parrot]

Melk still becomes useless once you get your 380s with that, especially if they release higher tiers later on down the road. You want a feature to be relevant overall, not for one specific goal that once accomplished becomes useless.

[shut thorn]

ngl if anything melk would become useful for votive offering building

if he offered 380 only

rn, why would I use melk

[echo parrot]

There is no reason to use melk

[shut thorn]

I only finish the weekly so number goes up and dopamine gets released in my brain

[echo parrot]

Outside of dumping all your coins into randoms praying for a 380

[shut thorn]

He literally barely ever offers anything decent

and trusting his judgement gives you 290 greys

[wet raven]

to potentially avoid transcending all of your weapons, thats about it :V

[shut thorn]

????????

[echo parrot]

You dont even avoid it because melk loves to give you transcendent weapons that are like 310-330 :V

You are still going to transcendent a 370-380 regardless

Its a waste to bet on Melk

[warped perch]

Hello everyone I hope you are all having a warptastic day

[wet raven]

saved me having to transcend a purgator

[wet raven]

finally <3 a good sibling

[warped perch]

[shut thorn]

also if your game has to rely on timegating content for people to play it

is is inherently shit

[echo parrot]

Tell me your psyker is a Seer without telling me they are a Seer.

[wet raven]

yes. sibling

[echo parrot]

I love playing with Seers

[shut thorn]

I can hop on vt2 rn with BIS weapons and still have fun via chaos wastes

[warped perch]

[shut thorn]

literally who cares about god rolls, if anything it'd be more relaxing to play with BIS weapons than having to grind for them in the first place

[echo parrot]

Quick derail. Everyone see the cosmetic imgur link and stuff? Looks like we will be getting some nice things after all, its just a matter of when.

[wet raven]

thanks melk, ive bought 5 staves just to be rng'd into this

[shut thorn]

nope, did a dataminer leak the stuff they shouldnt have

I hope it's not what I think it is

link it

[echo parrot]

Lemme try and find it again

[shut thorn]

ty

[wet raven]

please and thank you

[shut thorn]

ive been out of the loop for a few days due corona

its prob just the

cache references

or the funny 'ogryn skin pack' with a vet on it

[echo parrot]

https://imgur.com/a/dy6Db09

[burnt python]

there was a several hundred image imgur doc

ye

[echo parrot]

No need to PM because a huge amount of people have already seen it

Its well known and all over at this point

[shut thorn]

why did they leak this, we literally talked abt not doing this

ffs

[echo parrot]

No idea

I didnt even know this existed until I saw it posted somewhere in here

[shut thorn]

second image is what had the ogryn skin pack shit on it

[shut thorn]

check DIG, was found several days ago

[echo parrot]

I see the one of the Gravediggers but that is it.

[shut thorn]

Man I love the possibility of some of these not making it now because someone couldn't keep their mouth shut

[echo parrot]

Not all the other things

I dont know why they wouldnt make it in

[shut thorn]

Because they've been relased early, which means devs cant dripfeed cosmetics to make $$$ because people will just skip out on similar looking stuff for the stuff they actually want

[echo parrot]

Ah yes, whoever leaked it broke the FOMO drip machine.

Good point

Damnit

[glacial abyss]

true!

[shut thorn]

Ig people in darktide community are new to this but generally when this has happened in other games, devs just flat out let the files rot for eternity instead of releasing because there's no point

or entirely revamp everything

[glacial abyss]

why are only you two goons (my favorite monsters) still here

[echo parrot]

Because I have yet to eat my fill

Dont worry

You are on the list

[shut thorn]

because my corona symptoms have lessened and I can actually breathe now somewhat

[glacial abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967560887965712394/1029084438212116510/togif-5.gif

I will see both of u later I need them to drop more cosmetics

The only reason I play is to be in game and look cooler than everyone else

I own every single cosmetic in the game

[shut thorn]

they will, but ig u guys get what I said about devs working on a lot of shit, shame it got leaked

hopefully they don't pull the industry classic of leaving the files to rot

[glacial abyss]

true!

I need more cosmetics I’m hungry

I have 60k Aquilas waiting to be spent

zzzzzzz

[half iron]

more collars more collars

[fringe plume]

fr lol

[glacial abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1013289504787931176/1037398541154390016/caption.gif

[echo parrot]

Honestly, letting them rot seems like a guaranteed loss. Even though they were leaked there are a lot of people who will still buy the things that they want from said leak. Letting them rot just means they get nothing for the work put into them.

[half iron]

the collars make me feel like a crewmate👉👈

[echo parrot]

Of course I dont know how spiteful the devs are so its up in the air.

[glacial abyss]

Very true I will buy any released cosmetic item

Hallowette lives like a Queen because of me

I will eat cosmetics for lunch

I need my psyker to look like a schizoid supreme

[shut thorn]

it's usually not the devs themselves that let the files rot, it's marketing

I think these will get into the game but there's the possibility of marketing pulling the plug on some of the items

[wet raven]

voar in chat :V thought that was down to the vets

[half iron]

so true bestie

[shut thorn]

And I don't think I need to remind certain people not to post npc items that are named

[echo parrot]

Devs, marketing, shareholders, etc. Either way the game is already on a huge amount of peoples ire with how the game has released and how the MTX's were handled. If they found out they just let the files rot, an already shit situation will devolve into an absolute shitshow.

Loosing a playerbase is a garaunteed loss

[shut thorn]

Marketing cares little for player retention, they care more about influx of new players because new players are a lot more likely to spend on cosmetics

[echo parrot]

It affects new players as well. The amount of xbox owners who post about thinking they dodged a bullet is up there.

Granted said players would likely just use gamepass anyways

[wet raven]

it cares for reoccurring spending too? thats why live service is a thing

[shut thorn]

also if any of u have been paying attention, darktide's marketing is ramping up significantly rn

[echo parrot]

Details?

[shut thorn]

Been seeing a lot of posters rl, youtube's filled with darktide sponsored stuff, gaming review sites (pretend like ign/etc) have been posting abt darktide again

Also darktide toys are already releasing, saw an ogryn one the other day, in the middle of bumfuck nowhere

[echo parrot]

I havent seen a single poster, but I also dont live in a major metropolitan area.

[wet raven]

pretty sure those (vids) were in development during the release, cant say anything about posters

[echo parrot]

Also just saying if they let this rot I will uninstall

[jovial quail]

Screw toys, I want this right now.

[shut thorn]

No, a few of them talk about recent patches

[wet raven]

gotchya, thanks for the update :>

[jovial quail]

If it didnt have a like $45 shipping i'd totally get it but rip it cost more than the hotsauce

[shut thorn]

what country does that hotsauce ship from

[jovial quail]

Europe iirc

[shut thorn]

oh lol I can literally fly there for like 10 eur in fuel cost

[jovial frigate]

ngl i would make an ogryn if this were available

[shut thorn]

except if its in italy or smth

[echo parrot]

I am way past the age of buying licensed game memoriphila

[shut thorn]

you're 80?

[jovial quail]

Yeah i'm fairly sure its in Germany but can't remember

[echo parrot]

I still got a box of Overwatch pops that have been collecting dust for years in a closet.

[shut thorn]

oh, no thanks. german 'quality' leaves a lot to be desired

[left mirage]

how much block efficiency do you need on FS to tank a daemonhost? can you even tank a daemonhost with it?

[shut thorn]

tragic

[jovial frigate]

also who woulda thought the decent helmet they released would look badass with a matching set, albeit a recolor

[shut thorn]

u can tank a DH provided you can dodge a few times

[wet raven]

id be down for some plushies but thats about it, though idk what theyd use for one of those... considering most the game is centered around nurgles army which.... OOF

[echo parrot]

No, I just dont have interest anymore because of how games come and go. The old days of games having a cult impact and sticking with you are long gone imo.

[jovial quail]

This is the only "Figure" i've ever bought in my entire life and still no regrets lol.

[left mirage]

yeah, seems like it, but if you bump into anything at the wrong time you get beat up

might be better once i get one with fuckin deflector

[shut thorn]

ig, granted I'm still over here, 20 years later still obsessing over morrowind

[inland sand]

as much as I love talking about how fucked the game is ad nauseum

anyone able to tell me what makes the Dueling Sword good and what perks I should put on it?

[shut thorn]

u go fast

u look like a prat

thats the perks of ds

[wet raven]

its dodging is INSANELY GOOD

also theres a lunge slide combo that makes you go fast

[echo parrot]

Old games best games. Its funny that i say what I did and my mind instantly asks the question "I wonder if they ever made replica's of the EVO hypos or the Vigor bottles from the Bioshock games."

[jovial quail]

Rampage + Uncanny strike on dueling sword feels pretty nice but sadly overshadowed by Knife and Force sword atm imo

[echo parrot]

Vigor bottle glass set

Lets go

[wet raven]

its power attack lets you attack accurately and its base moves are good/decent for hoard clearing

its a very good weapon

[shut thorn]

They did, I used to have a friend who had the vigor bottle collection for infinite

[echo parrot]

Yes I know I just called myself out lol

[inland sand]

Force Sword just seems amazing and I'm struggling to see why I wouldn't run it

looking for a melee weapon that deals well with hordes on psyker

to pair with the Surge

[shut thorn]

the bottles were for various drinks/sauces

[echo parrot]

I use a knife with surge myself

[wet raven]

its slow and sometimes you would be better off with something geared for hoard clear (devils claw) or mobility (knife/duelist)

[fringe plume]

what melee do yall run with purge staff

[inland sand]

Force Sword

[jovial quail]

Get a slaughter T4 for that 15% x 5 Power + Deflector and you're pretty damn set for the rest of this game's life cycle with force sword. But I still prefer Lacerate knife for movetech more

[shut thorn]

knife gives you very high mobility + complete melee tanking if u pair with surge, you might like antax more though

[wet raven]

also double stacking peril weapons is... surprisingly bad

[shut thorn]

knife or force sword

[echo parrot]

Etsy to the rescue. This site is amazing.

[jovial frigate]

force sword is not super amazing for hordes, if you want more lawnmower esp as ur running surge, i heard devil claw is good or mk5 axe is nice too

[shut thorn]

you can side dodge forever with force sword and it moves at sprint speed while quelling

[echo parrot]

It always just has something.

[inland sand]

With Purgatus u clear hordes with your staff and elites/specials with your force sword

[left mirage]

antax mk5 is my ride or die

i never take it off

[inland sand]

i love this load out so much

[shut thorn]

FS can be great against hordes, issue is you need bloodthirsty blessing

You also need to abuse qq click

I don't like FS much since I don't wanna fuck up my hands

[inland sand]

u running it with brutal momentum?

[shut thorn]

all the horde clear combos for it are awful

[wet raven]

i just regave the duelist sword another chance after all my practice on melee only zealot, it feels... extremely good, highly underrated id say

[jovial frigate]

correct but i didnt outright say that because finding bloodthirsty is worse than finding deflector lol

[hallow obsidian]

so how to mangage this ? kill all 3 chad's sparn the monster kill it on heresy and suvive the other little things

[shut thorn]

you either do light attack, heavy attack, block push repeat or light attack qq block push qq repeat

[wet raven]

also having my force sword swings interrupted really made me hate that weapon XP

[echo parrot]

Or just as in #vox-lfg-nasa for help

[shut thorn]

play vet and complete it with plasma gun using camo

[echo parrot]

Thats what i did

[shut thorn]

Have you tried the following:

[subtle linden]

Easiest one left

[hallow obsidian]

so this is the hard way comunication

[subtle linden]

Just get a shield ogryn to aggro daemonhost

And u BB forever

Gotta blast

Jimmy neutron lookin’ ass

[pearl thicket]

now do it urself

[echo parrot]

Its not hard to talk to people. All you need is an Ogryn with a shield or a Psyker with the block feat that knows how to dodge.

[wet raven]

i was talking about the amped version due to the minor delay before the pop, but jesus that clearing XP

[echo parrot]

Its dirt simple since Daemonhost was released

[subtle linden]

Or solo a plague ogryn with a box

Break his ai with elevation and kill him

[echo parrot]

Oh shit I forgot about that lol

[shut thorn]

there's also the safer horde clear variant figured out by klipwc

[pearl thicket]

I love holding down my macro instead of playing the game

[shut thorn]

completely doable w/o macro

[subtle linden]

I have 50% sniper resist

[pearl thicket]

then why do both vids use macros

[subtle linden]

I laugh in the face of getting sniped

[shut thorn]

Because they're examples, how is that relevant

[wet raven]

what input combo are they doing?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-oh-the-misery-dopino-cool-dopino-cat-gif-25092360

[pearl thicket]

because you’re using a macro to do something a human can’t then saying it’s doable without a macro

[shut thorn]

lmb, q twice

[shut thorn]

it is completely doable w/o a macro

[hallow obsidian]

^^ i have all 4 on 30 wars a little joke from my end my english spoken is very bad so its hart for me to find somone

[shut thorn]

a lot of these things are better w/o a macro because of ping

void cancelling with a macro is stupid

[subtle linden]

I’m a antax mk5 enjoyer

Block attack

[inland sand]

lol so i checked my melee weapons on Psyker

turned out this thing dropped at some point and I never realised

[shut thorn]

ty for the gif vitamin :)

[fringe plume]

damn

[inland sand]

it's not amazing but it's a free BM weapon with decentish modifiers

[shut thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042791141441019934/1054849654874964088/ezgif-4-07a415a73f.gif

[inland sand]

time to surge it up yo

[shut thorn]

Also it's easier to do if you rebind weapon swap to something like v instead

[jovial frigate]

wow

[wet raven]

side buttons make it a lot easier but id still prefer to avoid using tech like this, neat to know it exists

[shut thorn]

I already have swap on v and quell on c since the buttons being down there don't impede using wasd

[inland sand]

oh snap looks like we saved Tertium

war's over guys, we can all stop playing darktide

[subtle linden]

Servers

[shut thorn]

don't worry a psyker's gonna explode

also just so you guys know

[jovial frigate]

should I enhance it

[shut thorn]

devs track the amt of times uve exploded

as a psyker

[wet raven]

then spawn more beasts of nurgle

[shut thorn]

psykers might be influencing daemonhost spawn rates

probably not

[wet raven]

naw

[shut thorn]

but I'm not sure why they track explosions

future achievements maybe

[wet raven]

keep it for when alter blessings becomes a thing but dont bother upgrading it

[jovial frigate]

i was thinkin maybe ye cus i can just roll 25 maniac dam on it and if it gets like 1 of 3 belssings at lego it's salvageable

[subtle linden]

Suicide with explosion x1500

[shut thorn]

FS relies on finesse and first target

[jovial frigate]

does finesse effect special? I never got an answer on that

[wet raven]

its more you want deflector or slaughterer on it as blessings

[wet raven]

also that

[shut thorn]

No but it affects weakspot hits

[jovial frigate]

I've been running it saying resist = finesse for dump

[shut thorn]

And finesse makes it attack faster

low finesse = idk why u'd use it

finesse is what makes it minimally viable for horde clear

[jovial frigate]

context im rolling a FS for maniac 1shots over horde clear, trying to get a thick one for my purg

[wet raven]

when they finally release the blessings...

[shut thorn]

generally for fs you want deflector > blood thirsty > high finesse > high first target > high damage > slaughterer > rest is whatever

[ebon jolt]

First target is more important than damage?

[shut thorn]

"When they finally release blessings"

[wet raven]

LOL

[jovial frigate]

yeah i think u get more dam than actual damage off first target

[shut thorn]

missing some 40+ force swords due to discarding them

[jovial frigate]

hey our bags look the same

[shut thorn]

This isn't all my weps, it's just the ones with blessings I'm interested in

[jovial frigate]

dont worry

right b4 blessing patch

inventory cap patch

[shut thorn]

wait what

oh no

[jovial frigate]

im memeing

but also kinda not

[shut thorn]

yeah but now it's a possibility

what have you done

Why

[jovial frigate]

it was a creeping thought in the back of all of our minds

[shut thorn]

Devs read this chat the most

You've doomed us all

[jovial frigate]

[shut thorn]

I genuinely hope there's no inventory cap

I do want grid view though

It takes me like a minute to scroll to grays

It's annoying

[ebon jolt]

“To increase the engagement of our player community…”

[shut thorn]

oh yeah reminder for some newer players

if you see a higher rating weapon than any you have currently

buy it even if stats are shit

store ratings are based on highest avg in ur inv

so if you have a lot of 380s, getting sub 350 is extremely rare

[wet raven]

base stats effect shop... for whatever reason

[jovial frigate]

this is why i spend my milk on random weapons

[summer prairie]

my store seems the same as it always was despite having many 380s. Also my zealot got a 377 in a shop immediately after hitting 30

[echo parrot]

So what I am hearing is I should nuke the low level ones I have been saving for blessing farming.

[shut thorn]

it combines the ratings of all ur weapons and divides by the amt of weapons, aka avg

i doubt low greys would affect it much

[summer prairie]

that would be insane

[hallow obsidian]

that is nasa emea and apac?

[summer prairie]

v2 just did it based on the highest rated item you had seen but this doesn't seem to do anything

[echo parrot]

Different regions

[summer prairie]

pretty sure someone sold all their stuff to test this

[shut thorn]

me

[echo parrot]

The hero we need but do not deserve

[hallow obsidian]

and i need?

[shut thorn]

you shouldn't delete the odd grey or whatever

[echo parrot]

I dont understand what you are asking

[shut thorn]

just dont collect low rating stuff

[wet raven]

been collecting them to blessing farm on low cash, been noticing the power level of things going down XP

[echo parrot]

Guess I am nuking my inventory when I get home from work

I have quite a few low level things I was keeping around for blessing farming

[hallow obsidian]

im not from a english contry and i am old so idk

[wet raven]

just to make sure im not crazy but... this blessing doesnt work right?
rampage on the duelist sword

[shut thorn]

If there's a region select, pick whatever is closest to you:
Nasa = north america/south america
EMEA = europe/middle east/africa
APAC = asian pacific

[hallow obsidian]

thx

[shut thorn]

haven't tested, blessings are different on each weapon

blessings are not a 'universal' system. each weapon redefines each blessing

it's dumb and it's probably why crafting is taking so long to implement

[wet raven]

the issue im seeing in the psy is that it only hits 2 targets, so its impossible to proc this blessing

[shut thorn]

keep them

[summer prairie]

DS does not only hit 2 targets

[shut thorn]

For a dip in store rating you'd need a lot of 120s

and store rating range seems(?) to be +-80 anyw

so 380,380,380,350,330,120 would give you an avg of 312+-80(?)

if your average items are 330-350 you're fine

[wet raven]

so what youre telling me is i should drop my default gear because its killing my shop level

sad

[alpine portal]

NOOOOOO

[wet raven]

im not gonna do it :> but it was funny to hear

[alpine portal]

I deleted a char because I removed there starting gear LOL

[hallow obsidian]

im a ogryn main numbers are sooo hard

[wet raven]

just let the spark eads do the work for you, lifes simpler

[alpine portal]

is this base rating or total rating

[left mirage]

late reply, but yeah

with brutal momentum the push attack shreds even harder

[echo parrot]

Numbahs dont crush heads. I crush heads. Simple as.

[alpine portal]

base rating or total rating?

[shut thorn]

not really, it doesn't make a big enough statistical difference

[shut thorn]

base

[alpine portal]

ok

[alpine portal]

thx.

[shut thorn]

its more so advice for new players

just buy stuff with higher ratings if u want higher rating stuff until u get to the 330 rating range

then do whatever

[alpine portal]

im gonna start working on 4 leafe clover

[fresh reef]

I really wish the shop worked like VT2 where every item is ±5 points instead of most of them being -30

[shut thorn]

rating range from limited testing seems to be -+80

I wonder why dt has such

an obsession

w/ the number 80 tho

max stats = 80%
rating range = -+80
most lerp values = 80% offset
max base rating, 380

[echo parrot]

The numbers Mason, what do they mean?!

[hexed inlet]

so is there any good way to try to get Going Out With a Bang?

[hallow obsidian]

sad

[wet raven]

get a group of 3 ogryns, use trama staff for quick and easy procs of overflow, then pray

[shut thorn]

two ways,
1: play vet with camo and plasma gun, overheat on purpose as you walk next to the elites
2: force sword charging at 100% sets you up for detonating on que

[wet raven]

did they fix it to not be class specific, thought that was a bug that was patched

[shut thorn]

not sure, probably not

[hexed inlet]

oh can you spam force sword charge?

[shut thorn]

they'd have to change plasma gun explosion to something other than perils dmg

[hallow obsidian]

so this is the best you can get?

[grizzled nexus]

vet was easier imo since u overheat so easily

[shut thorn]

yes, 380 base rating is maximum for now

[vagrant cedar]

best depends on the perks/talents/stats you prefer

what best can be for YOU, can be meh for someone else

there is no "best"

[shut thorn]

He was asking about base rating

[vagrant cedar]

oh

until red items come out

[shut thorn]

if, they come out

currently the only red items are npc weapons

with ratings of 0 and stats of 0

they're named though

[vagrant cedar]

man, they have to otherwise the 80% looks stupid af

[shut thorn]

there is

[vagrant cedar]

see, template for red items

[fresh reef]

I have exactly 1 base 380, and it's a karking mk2 tac axe

[subtle linden]

New penance: dice and mix = perils of the warp explosion 5 ogryn mobs in one explosion

[shut thorn]

rarity_0: red npc weapons, almost all of them have unique names
rarity_1: grey
rarity_2: green
rarity_3: blue
rarity_4: purple
rarity_5: yellow
rarity_6: unreleased dark yellow

[vagrant cedar]

there you go

6 will be released once the crafting will be out

[shut thorn]

rarity_6 is identical to rarity_5

[vagrant cedar]

but i'd say 6 you won't be able to craft edit

[shut thorn]

keep it around

[vagrant cedar]

but stats/perks will be way better

[shut thorn]

same amt of perks/blessings

[tawny nacelle]

this is why i just stopped playing on my psyker and play zealot instead

[fresh reef]

I've kept it around for 5 days and have yet to see anything higher than a 360 lmao

[shut thorn]

its off of avg base rating

just buy more higher base rating stuff

[vagrant cedar]

it's kinda stupid that the only rarity implies is extra perks/talents

stats are not affected

[shut thorn]

no point discarding low rating ones

statistically they don't affect it much

unless u have a stupid amount

of low rating stuff

and even then

[vagrant cedar]

what would that affect

[shut thorn]

wait for crafting system

[vagrant cedar]

other than the longer list

[shut thorn]

shops offer stuff -+80(?) relative to your average base rating

curios didn't seem to affect it

[vagrant cedar]

is that confirmed?

[shut thorn]

Not entirely, I had just tested it a bunch on my zealot

[vagrant cedar]

i still got my shit from level 1

like rating 100 items

[shut thorn]

I doubt they affect it much

Unless for some reason you have like 40 of them

[hallow obsidian]

[shut thorn]

Also sidenote, lowest I could get on my zealot at lvl 30 was 270

[lucid mortar]

I think the shop runs its item generation logic on some backend service so it might not be something we can decode from the client

[shut thorn]

this

[orchid nest]

this is what hedge said about it last month #general-chat message

[vagrant cedar]

are you talking the weekly shop or the regular shop?

[shut thorn]

regular

[shut thorn]

If only I had seen that

Prior to deleting my zealot items

Oh well it was just zealot anyw

[vagrant cedar]

hmmm for me it's 300 right now

tho i do have 12-13 items below 300

the rest are above

[shut thorn]

I really don't feel like testing if it's rarity related, I'll take hedge's word for it

Maybe if melk sold mats I'd test for rarity

[hallow obsidian]

why i dont get this for my zealot all arms i want are for the wrong operator

[shut thorn]

You've upset the servitor

[vagrant cedar]

purged everything below 300

daddy needs new purge 380

les goooooo

[orchid nest]

@shut thorn Oh btw something I wanted to ask you. I remember talking about bloodthirsty before and slaughterer. I was looking into it, and wanted to ask you why you would rate bloodthirsty higher. Seems like it wins in body shot damage but loses pretty hard in overall headshot damage since crit headshots aren't much higher

[wet raven]

i shouldve screen capped it but every single item in the shop my vet had at one point was melee weapons only

nothing but axes for my vet...

[shut thorn]

Because for qq click the second enemy usually wont be headshot

And in a pinch it helps delete maulers extremely fast opposed to charging and doing a heavy

[orchid nest]

That seems less useful than being able to reach poxwalker 1 shot head breakpoint if you're caring about horde clear which slaughterer can basically

for damnation

[shut thorn]

It's more the fact it's similar to slaughterer while being able to nuke the surprise special w/o charging

At the cost of whacking some random poxwalker with a quick special every once in awhile

[alpine portal]

are a lot of things that use to work removed? like shoving pox bursters and stunning elites with purga

[shut thorn]

still work

purg/flamer still completely break daemonhost ai

[alpine portal]

???

[shut thorn]

go try it, use purg left click on daemonhost

[orchid nest]

I guess. I would rather personally have the good breakpoints. Would be funny to have both though

[alpine portal]

im sure ill get a chance to ...

[hallow obsidian]

purg? how?

[shut thorn]

spam left mouse button at daemonhost, daemonhost can't move

[alpine portal]

ive been having no luck lately

[wet raven]

sounds like a bait, but knowing this game...

[shut thorn]

I initially thought it was bait when being explained it by a russian

Then saw him do it

Was amazing

[alpine portal]

russins...

[shut thorn]

yeah it's 50/50 of them either being terrible at the game or knowing everything about it

no inbetween

[sour olive]

still like light heavy block cancel on my force sword than Q spam

[shut thorn]

mk II

🙃

Less feasible to do w/o macro tho

Which is why I don't try it

i do use qq anim cancel even for the standard light heavy combo

shaves of like 120ms

[orchid nest]

Yeah I just do regular combos too. the macros are incredibly strong though. just don't want to get used to it then nerf

[alpine yoke]

HMMMMMMMMM

I have some mixed feeling about this staff

It's right in every wrong way

[hallow obsidian]

what is yours go to Focused Channelling or Terrifying Barrage?

[alpine yoke]

And perfect fatshark math, 4x79 + 63 = 380

[sour olive]

also what is the dodge distance while brain bursting

[alpine yoke]

I would say Focused Channelling

charging this staff takes 5 business days

[sour olive]

find its hard to dodge mutant than having my sword equiped

[mellow apex]

Anyone able to help with the Malleus Monstronum penance?

[hallow obsidian]

Focused Channelling i like more too for all staff's

[mellow apex]

Do you dodge slide? I couldn't avoid mutants while brain bursting until I started sliding after the dodge

[alpine yoke]

Not very needed on fire staff

Cuz you can spam left click 24/7

[hallow obsidian]

i run 3 dam today this perk save may ass so often

[alpine yoke]

Boy I wish for a good surge staff

Hmmm I probably should give this voidstrike staff a try

[hallow obsidian]

run 'n' gun is bad i now

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-team-fortress2-tf2-troll-scout-team-fortress2-gif-19317394

[alpine yoke]

I don’t really know if sustained fire works on charged attack

What does it means “in a Salvo”

[vagrant cedar]

burst

you fire 5 shorts = salvo

[steel flame]

its broken on the base lasguns since every shot is the "burst"

[vagrant cedar]

you fire 20 shorts = salvo

[alpine yoke]

So it probably only works on left clicks

Damn

[steel flame]

sadly i was unable to find a picture of a gun firing shorts

[alpine yoke]

Wait does that mean this blessing doesn’t works on any semi auto weapon?

[steel flame]

no it means every shot gets the bonus

its stupid

[alpine yoke]

WHAT?

[steel flame]

first shot in salvo blessing applies to every shot

on a semi

[alpine yoke]

Shit…. Mine says second and third shots

Guess it won’t work

[steel flame]

SHRUG?

[wet raven]

heres the thing, unless you are running tax axe knife or dueling sword dodging anything is extremely unreliable XP
i didnt get the pleasure of seeing it but my friends got to see a mutant 180! on a guy, ive also seen them myself do ogryn sized circles, so its all server side

BB is around medium-fast speed for dodges, closer to medium

[long wharf]

I've watched mutants chase me around a pillar

as I was dodging around the pillar

it's stupid

[alpine yoke]

BTW I think the only way to stop a mutant is him hitting a wall

[wet raven]

i was picked up when a mutant went to grab our psyker, and then he proceeded to run along a wall and slam me instead of tossing

[ebon jolt]

Doesn't surge stun mutant at a high enough charge?

[long wharf]

yep

[alpine yoke]

Until that he can 360 no scope your ass till eternity

[long wharf]

as can an ogryn bull rush, turns out

[wet raven]

no, they do slow down if its an open space

[glacial abyss]

mutants smell horrid

[wet raven]

nurgle

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[alpine yoke]

@hallow obsidianthis is what im using rn

still leveling up

[wet raven]

doesnt get much better than that stat wise

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/rule8-gif-21374650

[alpine yoke]

and a 7% crit chance

i love it

[hallow obsidian]

nice nexus is a good one and good stats

[sour olive]

yeah I got 180 mutant too, but dodge in theory still can work

[long wharf]

that's pretty great, if I had to be picky, I'd swap cloud radius for warp resistance, but just the same, that's great

[alpine yoke]

true

I would actually trade damage for warp resistance

[long wharf]

there you go

[alpine yoke]

cuz most of your dmg came from burn anyway

[long wharf]

my purge staff has +unyielding on it, and the straight damage is actually noticeable

[alpine portal]

love juking a mutant with a charged fs, and having him drag you along to his own death... satisfying

[hallow obsidian]

cloud is better for range resistance is with good quelspeed

[mint heart]

Are warp resistance and mobility more or less dump stats for the force sword?

[wet raven]

your friendly reminder to watch out for pox hounds

[long wharf]

you want warp resistance, as it reduces the peril you build while charging

[wet raven]

lest ye end up like this freak!

[alpine portal]

sometimes thats a good thing 🙂

[alpine yoke]

Nah he looks like a good boi

[mint heart]

The special right? But not the peril gain with deflector

[long wharf]

there's no good reason to play high-peril

[long wharf]

correct, I believe

[alpine portal]

most of the time a lmb will not knock them off with staff.

[long wharf]

I haven't done any testing, nor have I seen anybody do any testing, on warp resistance on a force sword affecting peril on block

[alpine portal]

gaining some peril helps quiettude work better

[long wharf]

I mean, sure, but you're going to build up peril regardless

and the less peril you build up, the more often you can be active in combat

[mint heart]

Yeah got for example this one. Not sure if worth trying to upgrade

Perks and blessing kinda meh but bars seem good

[wet raven]

worth keeping

[alpine portal]

I do fine with 43 but my mobility is higher

[wet raven]

yeah, which im surprised not many psy do

[hallow obsidian]

someone have this perks on the same sword?

[long wharf]

I'm buying and consecrating every force sword I can get my hands on right now

[wet raven]

force weapon perk that gives you more damage depending on peril

[long wharf]

not worth it

[leaden pier]

that one feat which buffs force weapon's damage based on peril

[wet raven]

eh? feels better

[alpine portal]

I though quietude was still bugged?

[long wharf]

bugged how? it works

[mint heart]

I played with this one a lot even with this low mobility stat it felt alright. Slaughterer was certainly noticeable.

[alpine portal]

though it slowed quell speed?

[wet raven]

that was inner tranquility which was fixed

[long wharf]

no, quietitude didn't do that

and yeah, IT was fixed patch before last

[alpine portal]

I said quiettude.... I ment inner tranquility 😄

[wet raven]

but yeah, i run quiettude as my main form of regaining toughness just because quelling is such an easy resource to tap

[long wharf]

and you quell constantly

[alpine portal]

works with your ult as well

[wet raven]

yeah, though i feel the ult has gotten somehow more bugged than it was XP

[alpine portal]

think a lot of things got worse. game "feels" different

less smooth. things dont work like they use to

[hallow obsidian]

this one with deflector too and your golden

[long wharf]

I think the server issues are mostly responsible for that

[mint heart]

Yeah I got alot of such swords with "extreme" spread and low base. But upgrading them all to orange and getting ripost or precognition is soul crushing.

[long wharf]

I'm upgrading swords to try to get bloodthirst

[mint heart]

Always one good blessing and the second one sucks

[hallow obsidian]

jop

[mint heart]

Bloodthirst? Rare blessing?

[long wharf]

tier 4 blessing only

[inland sand]

This would have been lovely... on my zealot

[alpine yoke]

Anyone recommend a void strike staff build?

[fluid canopy]

Ello' what do ye think of this one? Yay or Nay?

[mint heart]

Is it like the same one the chain weapons have? 100% Crit Chance on special?

[long wharf]

yep

[mint heart]

It seems like it doesn't work on those weapons

[hallow obsidian]

imagin a ogryn with psy abilitty's

[orchid nest]

We were just talking about bloodthirsty, haha. I remain unconvinced it would actually be better than slaughterer in real use. Conditionally more annoying to upkeep, does a lot less headshot damage which means it doesn't reach important damnation breakpoints.

[mint heart]

Like it doesn't crit the target you are hitting and not the next target too, just doesn't do anything.

[orchid nest]

It's only really worthwhile if you don't care about the horde clear, although I would like an ultra offensive force sword with both

[long wharf]

I want to play with bloodthirsty and blazing spirit

[orchid nest]

yeah that could be fun to test with a purg build so you're already on AB

[alpine portal]

purga does nothign against deamon host

[hallow obsidian]

#psyker-class message

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-the-dark-knight-laughing-crazy-creepy-gif-17500235

[alpine portal]

did not work

[inland sand]

either 2-2-2-1-3-3 or 2-2-1-1-3-3

[long wharf]

321113

[inland sand]

i run with FS for the utility/special killing

and if u can get the blessing that quells peril on headshots then happy days

[dense cloud]

reeee

[glacial abyss]

i use the power sword on my psyker (sharpshooter) subclass

https://tenor.com/view/me-explaining-how-talking-gif-16113496

[inland sand]

very nice

[hallow obsidian]

my best sword i have but it is ... not so good ingame

[long wharf]

with voidstrike, you want peril transfer on it

with peril transfer, you're quelling as you build up peril shooting

quietude is perfect for that

there's no reason to no go quietude

[long wharf]

that's an unfortunate sword

[dense cloud]

just got this gambling 😄 :D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:DD:D:

[long wharf]

that's really unfortunate

two perks you don't want

charge rate isn't a dump stat on surge

[dense cloud]

it has flurry 😄

[long wharf]

which doesn't work for surge

and you don't need terrifying barrage because you're stunning everything anyways

like I said - really unfortunate

it's usable - impossible to have a not usable surge staff

but a really long way from ideal

[dense cloud]

just gambeld this

[orchid nest]

I have barrage on my surge (not by choice) and I struggle to see it ever do anything at all even when you would expect it to

[long wharf]

I really think Sour Milk should be giving us max rolled stuff

[wet raven]

you dont stun all the members of a hoard, its certainly handy

[long wharf]

wrong, you shouldn't be relying on surge against the horde in the first place, so irrelevant

you aren't killing hordes with the surge either way

so, again, bad blessing on the staff

[potent echo]

"perfect roll" ?

[wet raven]

keeps my teammates from tanking unnecessary damage :>

[wet raven]

so youre wrong >:V

[long wharf]

I'm really not

surging a group that's surprising a teammate, good play

[potent echo]

depends on difficulty

[wet raven]

and the team

[long wharf]

surging into a horde instead of whipping out your axe to cut the horde down, bad play

[steel flame]

Fire staff supremacist here to tell you to find a better staff

[potent echo]

surge doesnt even stagger poxwalkers

[wet raven]

love me my ice staff

[alpine portal]

Let them figure out how to deal with mutants

[raven scarab]

is this a good fire staff?

[steel flame]

Is pretty good

[wet raven]

its an all arounder and pretty solid

[alpine portal]

warp resist import on purga?

[wet raven]

absolutely not

it has very little peril build up

[steel flame]

It can help with m1,

[potent echo]

difference between 40% and 80% is like 10% after 2 full charges

so not really

[raven scarab]

okay i made it yellow, i think the blessings are okay but might reroll one of the perks

[jade geode]

Surge staff can kinda control a horde, in a weird sorta way... it's like.. pseudo control. If you zap the first six enemies, it can bottleneck the rest of the group a little bit because of density, forcing others to either hang back or try to flank around rather than move through the baddies in the front getting zapped.

However it's very much a 'in a pinch' kinda scenerio, not something you should be looking for or relying on, but if if you're too far to melee and you see your buddy getting rushed down by a horde through a choke-point, you might be able to buy them a few seconds until you or some other teammates can get over to help.

[wet raven]

best you can get atm actually

[long wharf]

surge pushes poxbursters around a lot

[orchid nest]

really good, just put crit chance perk on it now

[potent echo]

yea, but poxwalkers just walkthrough it

[long wharf]

no they don't

[raven scarab]

should i reroll the unyielding enemies or elite perk?

[long wharf]

that means the server didn't think you surged them

[potent echo]

damn i've still yet to get warp nexus on my purgs, and i have 3 oh them

[potent echo]

on damnation you only stagger them if they arent attacking

[long wharf]

that's not true

[jade geode]

Unyeilding, without a doubt. Only 2 enemies in the entire game count as Unyeilding as of now.

[long wharf]

damnation doesn't change how surge pushes poxbursters around

[alpine portal]

worth the risk?

[potent echo]

im talking about walkers

not bursters

[steel flame]

Reroll unyielding. Fire staff doesn't do well against them and a few % won't fix that

[orchid nest]

I would say unyielding, flaming elites running in mixed in with the horde is actually useful

[long wharf]

oh, you mean the horde enemies

[wet raven]

yes?

low burn stat is awful

[jade geode]

But Elites + Flak damage would let you do serious damage to all the enemies that might otherwise be able to wether the storm of fire and walk through it at you.

[potent echo]

for your burn roll, isit 14 stacks or 15stacks?

[wet raven]

and you can try out both and see for yourself which feels better

[potent echo]

important difference before you upgrade

[long wharf]

max you can get right now is 15

[potent echo]

i know 75% is 14 stacks

80% is 15

76% is ?? stacks

although max stacks is mostly only useful for bosses / unyielding

[long wharf]

I'm waiting for us to be able to move blessings around so I can fix this one

[potent echo]

ragers/maulers usually die before you reach max stacks

[alpine portal]

well

[long wharf]

do it

[alpine portal]

cant.... yet...

should re roll one of those to crit right

?

[long wharf]

definitely

you want as much crit as possible on purge

[alpine portal]

specials?

elites are gunners and shot gunners right?

[long wharf]

it's kind of a toss up to me

[potent echo]

elites anything that doesnt have a spawn sound

[alpine portal]

oh maulers ragers and crushers? bulwarks too?

[potent echo]

gunners/shotgunners/reapers/bulwarks as well

crit on purge gives 2 soulblaze stacks too

[remote void]

rip me

[wet raven]

thats because psyker is bad

after tier 3 they become irrelevant

its almost like nerfing a class due to being good in the early game makes them awful in the late game :> as my friend put it

though psy does have 1 use

stun bot

im running shouty till they give psy some love

[abstract cedar]

Skill issue

[wet raven]

no actually, i can do those tiers just fine
why play psy over instant kill everything vet?

[potent echo]

zealot feels weaker on high tiers

[wet raven]

no... not at all //`o

[abstract cedar]

"game gets harder when you turn difficulty up" wow

[wet raven]

if your here to make someone feel bad you might want to leave that to yourself :> or go to vet chat where everything is crude and horrid

this chat is for discussions, zealot chat for memes and ogryn chat is for good bois

[abstract cedar]

You're

[potent echo]

in malice psyker are meh but in damnation they definitely shine more

[wet raven]

more enemies means more toughness to regen from melee, your stuns are more valuable, your flamer becomes more valuable, shotgun staggering is really helpful, your raw survivability and damage output is very handy!

thats why meta team is 3 preacher (never die) and a vet (kill everything)

[potent echo]

what

i guess stun grenades are really good yes

and if you take a crusher you can trivialise damnation as well

[wet raven]

well... yes? kind of? they have more bulwarks and crushers heads to pop but its not necessary when you have a vet that can do that anyway //`o faster... better... good... gooderer...

am im making sense?

that this

[potent echo]

a vet with space and camo probably beats everyone in terms of killing efficiency

[wet raven]

is better than 3 headpops

[potent echo]

headpop utility to open shields and kill snipers

while having an extra staff to do hordeclear/cc

its like having 2 ranged weapons kinda pog

[orchid nacelle]

technically psyker is the most efficient at killing

since it doesn't really use ammo

[fossil snow]

A single brain burst is putting me in the 70% peril, that not normal right?

[wet raven]

bolter on the preacher, snipers need to die within miliseconds, not 2 seconds and can be blocked by the poor targeting on BB

[fossil snow]

like it didnt used to be that bad

[potent echo]

ammo isnt a problem to vets either

[orchid nacelle]

vet is the fastest and best though

[wet raven]

flamer, stun :V

[potent echo]

bolter on preacher means good luck with clearing horde lol

[wet raven]

youre good at doing things yes, but not specialized... unless you go SS

[potent echo]

hopefully your team has a purge psyker

[wet raven]

you only need 1 flamer

also melee is pretty good at clearing XP

[orchid nacelle]

it's funny how you don't learn to value other staves until you find yourself in a situation where another staff would be better and think "man i wish i had that staff right now"

[potent echo]

pretty good is fine until you run into a team with no horde clear

the suffering really begins 👀

[fossil snow]

I do that but classes and psyker

[potent echo]

like 2 surge psykers and 1 axe veteran

[orchid nacelle]

i only play psyker exclusively

[potent echo]

then you have a bolter and an axe/evis

[mild tartan]

I really hope they improve BB targeting at very least, basically a useless ability unless you gear all your feats specifically to it

[orchid nacelle]

is there an update planned this week

[potent echo]

probably not

new years is around the corner

[orchid nacelle]

ah

so no update until next year

:3c

[potent echo]

aqshy mentioned they had 1 hotfix before the end of the year and that was 2 weeks ago

[mild tartan]

the only thing that hurts about surge is not being able to voidstrike stagger gunners on repeat

[potent echo]

the one that reverted the epilepsy surge

[fossil snow]

seriously though the bb didnt used to be 70%

[orchid nacelle]

are you right clicking to charge it

[alpine portal]

no

[fossil snow]

why is it now

is it a perk thing?

[alpine portal]

its not for me? what t are you on?

[fossil snow]

3

[alpine portal]

so it in meet grinder too>?

[fossil snow]

nah

[wet raven]

its only suppose to go to 45% unless the targeting is being reset

[alpine portal]

50? im wrong

[potent echo]

if its left click its only 45%

if its right click it can be anything

[mellow apex]

anyone able to help with the Malleum Monstronum penance by just running a Heresy mission with me and not hitting the boss

[wet raven]

2 left clicks give you 90 peril without inner tranquility

[fossil snow]

its just sorta spiking on some bbs

it seems to be normal gun dudes and the weak armor chaff

[potent echo]

yea i think its server sync issues sometimes it flies real high then comes back down

[orchid nacelle]

that happens to me too sometimes

[potent echo]

you wont explode though its fine

[alpine portal]

lot of server issues sense christmas for me

[fossil snow]

thats good to hear at least

[orchid nacelle]

lots of people got darktide for christmas it seems

[fossil snow]

I usually play as a discount slab shield so I dont bb all that often

but im trying soulflame

its

a build

[eager nexus]

are you holding left click or right click when brain bursting? Cause with right click you generate peril constantly and left only while locking on.

[vale nacelle]

I’ve never had it be more than 45% peril per BB. You have to be holding right and left click before locking on to a target and channeling for it to be any more than that.

[weary idol]

but that gives 55 peril?

[fossil snow]

nah that description of the server issue hit the nail on the head

[weary idol]

oh edited

nvm

[alpine portal]

you can also pre charge, then hold both when you find your target and let go of rmb

[mild tartan]

May the Blessed Bullet protect me from the unblessed bullets D:

[fossil snow]

im low key convinced the ai runs away when I do that

[weary idol]

still lose 100% toughness in one burst from one dreg shooter walking out into the open

[mild tartan]

Though to be honest I feel like you just get fucked if hit by a sniper anyway lol

[alpine portal]

it switches to lock on

[mild tartan]

Scourge of my existence

[orchid nacelle]

snipers break your toughness in one hit

so damage resist is kinda pointless against them

since their job is to break your toughness

[mild tartan]

True, I've been straight up one shot before by them, hopefully this might spare me in a tight spot

[weary idol]

and also the 50 or so damage they do through toughness on top

[orchid nacelle]

that's true too

[jovial frigate]

complain this morning i dont get 380 melee weps and this appears

[mild tartan]

niiice I still havent seen one yet I dont think

[orchid nacelle]

i think BCR would be better in that spot if possible if you're running deflector FS

[mild tartan]

Feel like when I do it'll be a damage dump or something lol

[fossil snow]

is there any perk setup for duelling sword or am I just larping?

like wrath is just staffs and force swords right?

[long wharf]

you're larping

[orchid nacelle]

dueling sword is great but there's like no reason not to use deflector fs

it's kind of silly

[fossil snow]

I want to put the dueling sword on my zealot so bad

[inland sand]

FS does seem head and shoulders better than every other melee option

question to the Surge staff enjoyers

is it worth it to get crit chance/crit damage on it

[mild tartan]

Still rolling with my mk v axe

[inland sand]

or do you want something esle?

[fossil snow]

im trying not to just use my big deflector sword all the time

[long wharf]

force sword isn't good for anti-horde, though

making it a bad match with surge

[mild tartan]

exactly ^

[inland sand]

for sure

100% agree

[orchid nacelle]

that's true but it just means you're hyperspecialised at killing big dudes

[long wharf]

mk v axe is a beast against the horde

and decent against big enemies

[orchid nacelle]

it gives you good coverage against elites and all specials

[inland sand]

on the subject of Surge staf, PERKS

what do i get

[fossil snow]

what IS the prefered surge use case?

[inland sand]

Crit chance? Crit damage?

[orchid nacelle]

anything that isn't a horde trash enemy

[long wharf]

wtf is that?

[orchid nacelle]

gets tazed

[boreal sun]

drip

[mild tartan]

surge keeps elites and specialists locked down letting your team pick them apart with ease

essentially max CC

[boreal sun]

illegal content that will get me muted if I post anymore

[orchid nacelle]

it does hurt when your team refuses to hit an enemy that you're stunlocking though

[long wharf]

crit chance isn't necessary on surge, as it has a higher crit chance already

get +flak on surge

[inland sand]

enough plz

[simple scaffold]

is there any real benefit for crits on purgatus staffs?

[wet raven]

saves you taking all your hp in damage though and out of all the other ones (cough cough, tox flamer, cough) id prefer that one

[simple scaffold]

does it add more burn stacks?

[mild tartan]

Yeah you can wreck maulers with a +flak surge feels great

[feral crater]

Anything that doesn't die moving through the zealot flame thrower is the surge target

[frank lake]

what was the clown hairs

[inland sand]

ty guys that is helpful

[long wharf]

crits on purge apply 2 soulblaze stacks instead of one

[boreal sun]

the clown hairs are purchasable cosmetics you can buy.

🙂

[frank lake]

i thought someone made them as a joke 😄

[boreal sun]

lol no

they are adding hair dlc

[simple scaffold]

Is that especially good?

[frank lake]

"pay to look like the clown you are" 😄

[long wharf]

are you asking if making the purge staff better at doing the one thing it does best is "especially good"?

[mild tartan]

I saw something saying they are exponential so its a decent difference

[weary wasp]

not sure if it adds more but the ones that crits add are more damaging

[fossil snow]

could I use 6 warp for D sword?

[long wharf]

not exponential, just non-linear

[feral crater]

More damage is always good. Because dying in 3 seconds is better than dying in 4 and having a chance to hit you once more lol

[mild tartan]

Makes more sense

[orchid nacelle]

i'd want the auto burst on dueling sword

[mild tartan]

otherwise my 6 stack ascendant blaze should instantly kill everything lol

[orchid nacelle]

fast attacks more proc chance

[potent echo]

seems like the only good psyker horde clear melee

even duelling swords are kind of meh on damnation

[long wharf]

it's definitely the best

[fringe garden]

Catachan sword heavy attacks aren't bad either

[long wharf]

and I don't even have limbsplitter on my axe

the axe is that good

[potent echo]

my DS mkV has rampage and it still feels like it takes too long

[weary wasp]

force sword with power stack blessing works fine, so do any other weapons with mass ignore traits

[orchid nacelle]

devli's claw sword is way better than axe for horde clear but the axe is better if there's some armoured enemies mixed in

[long wharf]

hard disagree

[orchid nacelle]

wat

[potent echo]

psykers can abuse their shorter stamina regen delay to spam push attacks

[long wharf]

the block+attack on the axe is what you use against the horde

[potent echo]

no other class can do this

[fringe garden]

Push attacks into heavy spam is pretty easy with cata sword. I have one with 75% cleave wrath perk and another perk that adds 60% impact. It tossed hordes around and kills them very quickly

[mild tartan]

this, axe push spam makes hordes very easy to control

[orchid nacelle]

that's true but you can just do that with sword too

[long wharf]

because you're spamming block+attack, you're blocking more often

[orchid nacelle]

axe is a better generalist weapon than the sword