psyker-class

[elfin crystal]

your choice ye

i mean, true, but still that one would only be marginally better

[olive ember]

yeah I just spent 6k weekly currency

best score I got was 365 revolver

[elfin crystal]

rip

[hollow mural]

can brainburst crit?

[elfin crystal]

no clue actually

i'd assume no

[olive ember]

its a flat 1000 base

the best "crit" you can get is if you get lucky and it procs kinetic flayer

[worn canopy]

Dodge tanking is viable

[olive ember]

thats basically it

[worn canopy]

It’s mainly just kiting though

[olive ember]

dodge tanking is just what every class does .-.

[elfin crystal]

parkour!

[hollow mural]

gotcha - thanks derpy

[worn canopy]

Except Ogryn. They face tank with some dodges

[boreal wave]

Block with their face

[olive ember]

I got nothing to do in darktide now rip

except suffer in damnation

[worn canopy]

Welcome to the damnation runs, sibling

[vagrant hollow]

guys which perk I should reroll for purgatus build?

[near wyvern]

TBF the biggest challenge of Damnation pugging is to get a good roll on the team mates

The malice runners are pretty easy to spot.

If it's dead by third corner it's a malice player.

If they are holding a chocke no matter what they are herecy players.

True damnation players pull back when needed.

[near wyvern]

Reroll carapace into +crit chance

Carapace damage is so low that the increase is like +1 or +3 per tick in damage.

Crits give you doule blaze stacks. Other option is to roll it into +flak or +maniac but you can experiment with it since rolling becomes free when you spend like 50 diamantine and 250 plasteel on it.

[vagrant hollow]

ok didnt know about crit

[olive ember]

btw what are your hopes and dreams for the force greatsword

will it be the powersword, eviscerator, or a heavy sword kekw

[near wyvern]

That the special attack on it would cleave

[idle shuttle]

why is left better

[worn canopy]

Never made this distinction

I usually pull back whenever I really need to.

[near wyvern]

You play damnation?

[worn canopy]

Of course

[near wyvern]

Then you are a proof for my theorem

[worn canopy]

It’s the same way with Vermintide

But it’s a mix of holding a choke and pulling back. It’s like you’re holding a choke point but slowly getting pushed back and instead of fighting it, you’re just moving choke back to a new spot.

[near wyvern]

Well yes.

Herecy players just Hodor and eventually get surrounded.

You gotta ride the tides

[wise pecan]

I do wish there was some sort of move forward/fall back voiceline

[near wyvern]

Just ping a spot

Or even better, use voice chat

[wise pecan]

Don’t have a mic, and pinging a spot requires that my teammates choose to look around for that spot, which can be an ask in the middle of a fight when communication is crucial

I’ve def had situations that seemed perfectly holdable, and then my team just vanishes

[elfin crystal]

overall higher warp resistance, higher critical bonus, has warp nexus, slightly better quell speed. more damage to flak and they can reroll the manic perk

[wise pecan]

Agreed on this assessment

[elfin crystal]

there's 2% more charge rate and you'd usually want it to be low on surge, but it's just 2%

also higher base rating

[alpine portal]

I Not know that, that is usefull info
now I know how to spec my pergus

[vagrant cedar]

yeah but double stacks every 10/20th attack is like

what

5% boost?

[drowsy fog]

thats each tick of the flame stream

[vagrant cedar]

each tick has it's own % chance no?

[drowsy fog]

same idea with communion, sure chance is low but good god you're rolling that chance a lot

[vagrant cedar]

wouldn't +8% elite dmg be better

[drowsy fog]

nope

[vagrant cedar]

why not

[drowsy fog]

purg up front damage is ass its all about the burn

crit gets you more burn

average up front damage on a purg is around 15. 8% of that is 1.2 so congrats you now deal 16 per tick to elites

[vagrant cedar]

16 constant dmg vs every 10-20th attack doing what bonus dmg? double?

[drowsy fog]

double burn stacks

which is your real damage source

[vagrant cedar]

you aint gonna crit ALL of your right click flames

that would be op af

[drowsy fog]

15/tick to 16/tick is not an improvement, but a purg stream is gonna dish out tons of hits, who knows the exact count, and each one is on everything in the cloud

[vagrant cedar]

i don't understand your math

can anyone else explain

[drowsy fog]

so do you want 1 more damage on specific enemies or do you want more burns on EVERYTHING

[near wyvern]

Your purgatus applies a stack every 0.35 sec or so. So you basically get 3 hits on all enemies every second.

The fast attack speed basically make crits pretty constant thing to get even with small increases to the crit chance.

Blaze stacks have multiplicative scaling, so each stack you apply increases your damage exponentially.

Therefore, getting even 1 more stack on the enemy will become more and more significant the more stacks the target already has. That's why +crit chance is good increase vs everything.

[wise pecan]

I will point out, damage perks apply to the burn, too

[drowsy fog]

wasnt sure about that

[summer prairie]

pretty sure the damage perks end up being worth more

[near wyvern]

Yes, which is why you don't keep +carapace since 5 multiplied by 1.2 is 6 damage per tick.

[drowsy fog]

still tho, more burn on everything goes farther than 8% on elites

[summer prairie]

and they apply even when you are already at max stacks

[wise pecan]

Yeah def swap out +carapace that’s useless on purgatus. Literally anything else is better

[vagrant cedar]

that's what i'm trying to say

most shit dies from 13 stacks of blaze

and you will have to spam 2 times

for that to happen

1 extra "stack" won't change anything

• if you get lucky to crit

+8% elite dmg is constant

shit mobs die fast af anyway

i don't see +1 extra stack when you gotta spam the whole thing anyway as an op thing

if crit chance was 20-30% sure

i'd agree

[wise pecan]

I think you’re probably better off with like, +flak/maniac damage than +elite

[vagrant cedar]

probably yeah

[wise pecan]

Almost every noteworthy enemy is either flak or maniac anyways

[vagrant cedar]

cause every other crap mob dies from 1 full spray

[drowsy fog]

its an extra stack every crit, and its a higher chance than communion which ive seen no one disagree thats its better than it sounds cuz the sheer volume brute forces procs anyway.
there also more than just elites to worry about, yeah mobs die quick but theres also monstrosities and specials

[vagrant cedar]

yeah but monstrocities will cap at 13 stacks

you will need 2 full sprays

and it's capped

you left click it once

and it re-applies the stacks

[drowsy fog]

never had an issue melting a rager quickly without elite bonus, but then again I dont have crit bonus either

plus you can get bigger and more consistent damage bonuses, like unarmored or flak

more common than elite

[vagrant cedar]

it applies stacks every 0.35s, so you save a third of a second if you're lucky to crit it

[drowsy fog]

which some fall into anyway

[vagrant cedar]

a third of a second is nothing

[wise pecan]

Unarmored seems like a bit of a trap on purgatus, but flak is def pretty good for taking on mixed hordes

[vagrant cedar]

what's the crit chance of purge and what crit % does that perk adds?

[drowsy fog]

its psyker's own inherent 5%

[near wyvern]

IMO best damage bonuses on Purge are

• Flak with + crit chance

Carapace damage is so negligible it's not worth boosting

Everything without armour is perma stubbed in range anyways

So that leaves flak which is quite common in the game.

Crit chance just for extra damage against flak and universal damage boost

[drowsy fog]

idk what the perk adds

[wise pecan]

Yeah I think this is a reasonable stance

[drowsy fog]

synergizing with what the weapon does is a better option than a specific enemy type that even contains carapace armor (crushers) which you might as well be splashing with water

[vagrant cedar]

what about infestious or maniac enemies

[drowsy fog]

not the worst options but those already crumple anyway

[wise pecan]

Purgatus doesn’t need help dealing with pox walkers, so all infested is doing is helping with dogs, which you probably just want to hit with your sword

Maniac is good for ragers, but mutants you prob just want to hit with your sword, and flamers tend to flank rather than sit in the horde in my experience

[drowsy fog]

but what about poxbursters!?!?! lol

I swear I hear the pox bit and it all makes me think burster

[vagrant cedar]

i thought the idea with purge is to clear all the shit mobs, and finish all the eliter ones with the axe

aka to make space and not get outflanked

[wise pecan]

I mean you can alternatively just kill everything, usually

Except ranged

For obvious reasons

[vagrant cedar]

or in the perfect world, to get rid of all the shit mobs quick as possible so that your zealot would focus on elites

[wise pecan]

Purgatus still deals pretty respectable damage and stagger to elites, even maulers

[drowsy fog]

yeah elites mixed into the horde tend to go down just as fast

[elfin crystal]

noice

[wise pecan]

If things are Real Bad then yeah you probably prioritize wiping away the chaff, but I don’t think 20% extra damage specifically to chaff makes a difference in performance there

[near wyvern]

Infested dies fast enough, maniacs can be staggered except muties which you should kill with melee anyways as purge will be too slow

[drowsy fog]

thats the case with any gun a veteran isnt holding cuz they (and dogs) take reduced ranged damage but more melee damage

but one purg lmb can kock a dog off your teammate so thats something

LOL load up the shop and speak of the devil

stinky carpace purg

[vagrant cedar]

i think they changed that

sometimes even having a dog charge you while you got right click purge on him

doesn't prevent him from jumping yhou

[drowsy fog]

did they? I'd say I didnt see it in patch notes but they've left stuff out of those already

[wise pecan]

Very little stops a hound mid pounce, but purg lmb can knock a dog off someone after it’s already started chewing just fine

[drowsy fog]

yeah the ideal is no one getting pounced but shit happens

[vagrant cedar]

idk if i lagged or not but

yeah

[wise pecan]

I think shoves, surge lightning, explosions, and kantrael headshots will stagger a hound out of a midair pounce

[drowsy fog]

tsk how could you forget bb, its a penance lol

death is the best kind of cc

[wise pecan]

I forgot about bb because I rarely use it above malice lol

[drowsy fog]

you right I only ever pull out bb if I gotta corner peek a sniper or gunner

or the bomber everyone seems to be ignoring, not the best idea

[wise pecan]

I use grenades more than bb, and I don’t even run infinite grenades

[icy marten]

new staff

if only the warp nexus was something else

[olive ember]

apparently warp nexus is actually meta

wait

nvrm

its purge

no clue then

[wise pecan]

Warp nexus is basically BiS on purgatus, I think?

[olive ember]

actually jealous, especially once you can replace shred with slaughterer

ik Warp Nexus is BiS on surge idk about purge

ik terrifying barrage is BiS for purge

[wise pecan]

Crits on purg = double stacks of flame. You want many crits

And ideally terrifying barrage yeah

[icy marten]

wait really?

[wise pecan]

Specializing into extra damage vs chaff is not the choice I’d make, too, though those stats are juicy

[wise pecan]

Ye

[icy marten]

so it's actually good then

[olive ember]

Mainly because the staves have actual trash for traits

focused channeling sounds nice but its meh when you actually think of when it will actually come into use

and the answer is not often considering flame and voidstrike are both good horde clear and surge mainly cc without charging

and warp flurry either doesn't work or isn't noticeable

[idle shuttle]

upgrade?

my current..

[olive ember]

I mean

herm

[wise pecan]

I’d say save your plasteel

[olive ember]

Personally I'd say the better warp resist is worth but dang

[summer prairie]

no point upgrading surge, especially if it already has warp nexus

[olive ember]

+1 stam and lvl 1 trait is E

I mean getting terrifying barrage and a 2nd trait is aight

[summer prairie]

unless it's >370 and have spare resources

[olive ember]

and idk what else you would upgrade

Like I legit had so many resources that I started grinding curios from green to legendary

[wise pecan]

That’s his current

[olive ember]

I mean warp nexus + 2nd trait (ideally terrifying barrage)

scatterbrain moment XD

[wise pecan]

I say keep this, and maybe reroll that elites damage to flak?

[idle shuttle]

well if it were to have only 1

[summer prairie]

terrifying barrage on surge doesn't reaaally do anything and when they fix the charge one, it will be best

[olive ember]

if they fix the charge one

[idle shuttle]

thats what im thinking on barrage for surge

what good are they suppressed when theyre dancing

CC'd

maybe nexus is better

[olive ember]

I mean the thing is that it suppresses more than the 5 you hit

its everything within 8m, so extra CC

[summer prairie]

when you actually kill something

by that time you will probably cast again anyway and cc more

[olive ember]

Its not that hard tbh against armored enemies

and its still more useful than the alternatives

maybe warp flurry but

would have to see when its fixed or wte

rn it basically doesn't do anything or if it does it's not noticeable at all

[icy marten]

true

[olive ember]

A question tho

who thought "you know what the staves need? Run n Gun"

[idle shuttle]

that can be refined now right?

[icy marten]

cD

XD

[idle shuttle]

and this is my purge.. I guess I wont be touching it

[gleaming comet]

Supposedly Run n Gun is actually solid on Purgatus staff from what I've heard?

[olive ember]

the +1 stam can be replaced, but that means praying to rng to not get garbage 2nd perk

[gleaming comet]

Unsure

[olive ember]

and idek what garbo they gonna implement to upgrade or replace perks

[idle shuttle]

if you reroll enough it becomes free lol

[olive ember]

nah teh 2nd perk

[idle shuttle]

oh true

[olive ember]

like what happens if you get +1 stam and sprint efficiency at purple lmao

[olive ember]

doesn't seem that bad

terrifying barrage is meta for purge isn't it

[idle shuttle]

makes sense for purge

[olive ember]

I'm just debating

whether or not its worth suffering through damnation pugs to get shiny border

or if I should just

play the afk game

[vagrant cedar]

idk if game got more difficult or people just suck more but even diff 4 is hard now

[olive ember]

difficulty 4? clearly you haven't had to hard carry two malice missions back to back

i think the saddest part was that the 2nd mission of the two there was a guy with the "beat all mission types on damnation" and he still went down

[vagrant cedar]

malice is easy

how tho

[olive ember]

it should be until you get troglodytes for teammates

I don't know

1st assassination was just with bad players, 2nd assassination was with three lvl 30 vets, two with the malice border and one with the damnation border

and they all went down at the boss

[cyan notch]

what shiny border

[olive ember]

its not actually shiny

[brave hearth]

if you have deflector will you block ranged damage while rezzing?

[summer prairie]

I don't use FS but it feels like you switch to whatever has most stamina when ressing, which is usually your staff or your grenade/bb

[brave hearth]

you can't block bullets though unless you have the deflector perk, so I was wondering if the deflector perk works on ranged while rezzing

does it have that interaction or will it just behave and not block ranged as other weapons

[summer prairie]

I mean that if the game switches you automatically, it doesn't do anything

[brave hearth]

i dont think im communicating myself well

[summer prairie]

When you start reviving someone, it looks like you don't have the weapon equipped anymore as your stamina count changes to 5

[fierce hazel]

The answer is yes you do

I use deflector all the time

[brave hearth]

gotcha, ty

[summer prairie]

I've seen a person with deflector reviving and it not doing anything

[fierce hazel]

Works for me

[summer prairie]

I'm probably wrong actually

or it's very janky, you get 5 stamina but then when something shoots at you it sometimes switches back to the FS

[cyan notch]

it works

[fierce hazel]

I use pril block with it and it always feeds my peril when someone shoots me

[viscid matrix]

Peril on block is the only way to use deflector properly

[vagrant cedar]

wait what, why would you change to staff or bb when you ressing when you can't block with them?

[elfin crystal]

people use heresy to do their achievements

so most act super dumb

[teal kite]

https://gyazo.com/ff7ca7f0fb17d26376d3f29323dcad4c my powers are growing

[frigid marten]

It use the best stamina bar you have

[frigid marten]

It block ranged but with the same arc limitation ranged is not 360, and people tend to die in bad places

[distant fog]

So I came by earlier when there were less people and was told to come back when more people around to ask. I was considering getting this because the blessings are good but I wasn't sure if it was worth the price given the low damage and penetration stat and I would like to know if the blessings make up for it given that I'll mostly be using it to push attack

[split elm]

Might be worth to get for the blessing if you dont have it elsewhere

The weapon itself kinda sucks

[distant fog]

When you say that the weapon itself sucks

Do you mean the Antax Combat Axe is bad or that the stats are bad enough to make it a bad weapon?

[hexed inlet]

Combat axe kinda stinky

[brave hearth]

wut

?

anyways, that axe is really good. The antax is great

[distant fog]

I'm not really very involved in the community so I'm not entirely sure what's meta but I've been told before that it's a good weapon and that these are blessings I should be looking for, but I wasn't sure if the stats were a deal breaker

[brave hearth]

even with the low rolls it's still better than a lot of other axes because of it's blessings

im a zealot main, and that is pretty much a perfect axe

[eternal steppe]

Isnt that the combat axe with the slow as hell heavy attack wind up?

[brave hearth]

rolls aren't great but it's still better than what I have after 400 hours

[distant fog]

Yeah but we mostly use it for push attacks if I'm not mistaken

[brave hearth]

yeah, but it doesn't matter because its also the only one that head shots at a real good rate

[distant fog]

And since Psyker has the shortest stamina regen cooldown

[eternal steppe]

Yeah if you stick to lights and push attacks it's goated

[distant fog]

We can spam it nonstop right?

[brave hearth]

try the others, for some reason headshots do nto happen on horde mobs often

no no, you spam light attack with antax

only ever heavy attack crushers

or reapers

[eternal steppe]

Just imagine an arthritis any% speedrun that's how you handle hordes with that thing

[distant fog]

Oh that's fine, I have 9000 hours in Warframe, I'm pretty sure I'm immune to carpal tunnel at this point

[eternal steppe]

You poor soul

[distant fog]

Thanks, I'll go get it then

[brave hearth]

then congrats you have an amazing melee weapon

[eternal steppe]

Was every hour worth it?

[distant fog]

Arguably yes, because I met a lot of good friends and had a lot of fun times with the people I met

[brave hearth]

even the perks are what you probably want so you can cleave horde

[distant fog]

Got it

Thanks for the input, I'll come back here if I have anything else to ask

[eternal steppe]

Speaking of that axe can I get a breakdown on that ignore enemy hit mass blessing?

Like does that mean you ignore cleave slowdown or something?

[brave hearth]

yes

cleave has 2 parts

[eternal steppe]

Oh cool

[brave hearth]

how many things it can hit and how much damage it loses per cleave

cleave damage being 1st target 100% dmg, 2nd 50%, 3rd, 25%, 4th 12.5% ect... (idk if these are the exact numbers, just for example)
But if you have enough cleave to go through two targets you wont get to that 3rd target. Brutal momentum ignores that part of cleaving, it will go through as much as it can until its damage is piss

the wording could be so much clearer if they just called it mass and cleave damage

[summer prairie]

If brutal momentum doesn't do anything to cleave damage it's not that good on the axe. It will let you stagger more but the damage does drop very quickly

[brave hearth]

okay

how fast does it drop

[summer prairie]

at least if the breakpoint calculator sites have correct information

[brave hearth]

if it starts at 1 to 1.5 doing 300 damage

[eternal steppe]

I see. Thanks for the explanation, there's a lot of terminology and mechanics to the melee system that just aren't explained well

[brave hearth]

@eternal steppe yeah its pretty bad, darkmass has a infographic for some of this stuff and a glossary

[eternal steppe]

Need that stuff explained in ogryn terms tbh

[brave hearth]

okay my point is on the cleave even wi th the harsh diminishing returns its still a massive amount more damager per swing than without it

you go from maybe putting at 450ish damge in a swing into a horde to 600-700

it is a big difference, it feels massive ingame

[summer prairie]

The calculator doesn't show the damage right now for whatever reason (did yesterday) but I recall the second target was already at lower than 50% with the push attack. Catachan MK IV was something like 30 damage per target after 3th or 4th. I guess if it can hit infinite targets for 30 extra, it's decent but going to need a lot of swings to kill a 300 hp poxwalker with the cleave

[brave hearth]

okay well my example was talking about the antax

[cyan notch]

from what i understand if normally u hit 3 targets (max) brutal momentum lets u hit unlimited but targets after the 3rd take the same damage as the 3rd

[brave hearth]

as that lacks cleave in general, on the devils claw yeah that perk is.... well its not useless

they have cleave damage dont they?

[elfin crystal]

iirc ye

[brave hearth]

yeah devils claws have cleave damage so it if they have ignore hit mass they just cleave even better, it's less of a massive impact than it is on the axe because for that axe it makes a very powerful single target into a weapon that can deal with hordes. For the devils claw it just does its job a little better but still has glaring weaknesses

that being said aint nothign wrong with being really good at one thing if your team can cover the gaps

as psykers know

[summer prairie]

and of course the sword has a wider swing

[brave hearth]

than the axe? hell yeah, thats the devils claws only purpose i can see is to clear chaff

[summer prairie]

than anything probably, since it's almost full screen horizontal

[brave hearth]

maybe, idk

[split elm]

The stats are pretty bad, it has an entirely wrong distribution. But I’m sure it’s serviceable for most content

[distant fog]

I figured the stats weren't great but I wasn't entirely sure on the details. What would you say would be the ideal distribution then? And when you say serviceable for most content, can you elaborate on what kind of content it'd do well in and why it's only serviceable compared to the ideal distribution?

As far as I've been told it's mostly used to cleave hordes, is it just unfortunately below good breakpoints?

[whole wharf]

I ain't much of a gun psyker either but....

This is tempting.

[cyan notch]

dont

its shit

kantrael mg xii is miles ahead

[near wyvern]

Autoguns do nice dmg but the ammo capacity becomes a problem

Lasgun is the only viable option for a gun payker

[maiden token]

Is this worth it?

[split elm]

It most likely is under some breakpoints, as a decent axe two-shots the melee brutes

[ebon jolt]

100% yes. Roll stamina to 5% crit.

[shy cradle]

Why the heck don't the helmets from the shop match the naming schema of the rest of the outfits,
Does anyone know which helm goes with the Scrier Witch outfits (the greenish theme)

[distant fog]

So in ideal circumstances I would want a focus on damage/penetration/first target and have cleave targets as a dump stat because of the blessings?

[maiden token]

Oki thank you ❤️

[mild canopy]

https://youtu.be/vAUJnVK9F78

Wish there was an incentive for killing demonhost ngl

Tanking it is so fun, makes others respect psyker siblings, SIBLINGS

[near wyvern]

Weekly monstrosity kills

[severe laurel]

Am I missing something on Psyker? It seems rather sub-par compared to Ogryn and Veteran? What builds are people using?

Should I bother using staffs? None of them seem particularly outstanding

I think I need a Psyker how to

[placid glen]

Hord clear god with flamethrower staff.
GREAT support with lightning staff, can stagger everything beside monster.
no tipp on trauma staff, i dont use it.
Void is, well, for me its meh.

[ebon jolt]

The only reason to use a Psyker imo is with a staff. I won’t argue that they can feel subpar vs other classes. Not needing ammo is QoL. Has access to deflector and can cheese blocking monstrosities with peril block and block efficiency. Surge staff for Cc. Void for horde clear. Purgatory staff for a mix of both with limited range. Don’t use trauma staff…

[near wyvern]

The staves get a lot better when you get to 30

Gun Psyker is doable but far from optimal since none of the feats scale with guns.

Staff Psykers offer a lot of CC and enable creating a safe environment.

There is no real 'melee psyker' at the moment but there is the feat 'kinetic deflector' at lvl 20 you become unkillable by melee (except crusher and mauler overheads on Damnation).

The Force Sword can also get a blessing which allows it to block ranged attacks, with kinetic deflector you can safely revive anyone at really crazy situations

Your best staves are Void, Surge and Purge. You should pretend Trauma doesn't exist, it's that far behind the other staves.

Surge is good damage VS armour, poor damage on anything else but stuns 6 enemies and can keep 6+ enemies perma stunned depening on which ones you hit. The stun applies to everything else except monstrosities and bosses.

The Purge is your horde management tool, works exceptionally well against everything that is not wearing armour. The with Purge is that LMB is for CC and RMB is for damage. You gotta learn which one you need to use and when.

Void is your long range CC option, allowing you to shoot a line through trash to keep those gunners supressed.

Brain Burst (blitz) skill can safely be used when you are at 97% or below, so if there are a lot of gunners to deal with, start spamming it and don't quell more than you absolutely need.

Non-force weapons auto-quell really fast. You might want to bring a regular melee weapon so that you can conveniently get rid of peril while you are moving.

Psyker has it's place. The world first Dmanation duo run (that I know of) was completed by a veteran and a Surge psyker.

[near wyvern]

Oh and psyker needs lvl 30 badly, the are extremely important feats in the last column

[shy cradle]

Can the Purgator staff crit?

[ebon jolt]

Charge rate is a bit low but overall looks pretty good?

[severe laurel]

Mmm, maybe its just not the class for me, it was my third level 30 and all throughout it I felt it was lacking compared to Ogryn just ploughing into enemies and Veteran picking off enemies at range

I'll take on what you said though, maybe take a look again later

[near wyvern]

Yes and it applies two stacks of soulblaze when it crits instead of the regular 1

Each stack increases the blaze damage multiplicatively so crit chance is really useful on purge, while crit damage is not.

[sharp ibex]

@sick fulcrum Kill 25000 Poxwalkers

Assuming that was you

[ionic light]

@slender kernel

[shy cradle]

thanks!

[viscid cloak]

i have been having nice results lately with a Stub revolver

[ebon jolt]

I'm not sure if the extra stacks count against the maximum dictated by burn either. Either that or with normal right click application I don't hit max.

[viscid cloak]

laz guns i can't stand using them for now since the hit-detection of this game is being shit

[ebon jolt]

I can't use the revolver on the Psyker. The low stability/suppression on peril above 20% throws my aim off.

[viscid cloak]

I only notice that when i reach critical levels

as for stability, i don't know what you're talking about, its the most stable gun i have seen

[ebon jolt]

I tried a build where I cycled between revolved and BB with quietude w/ the revolver and I liked it but after I while I dropped it.

[viscid cloak]

Oh, quietude?, i use essence harvest with pshycic communion

not like soulsblaze is any good spot rigth now

anything that has to do with peril amount is a bad choice for gun psyker

like the ranged thoughness damage reduction ironically

thats good for staffs and melee, but not for guns

[icy marten]

was fun, see you after 2 months

[distant fog]

Should I replace either of these perks?

[near wyvern]

If you want to try a jack of all trades psyker build try the following:

Purge staff & mk IV duelling sword with feats 122132.

For the staff the stat priority is in this order:

1. Burn
2. Warp resistance
3. Cloud radius
4. Quell speed
5. Damage

For the duelling sword you want high mobility and high cleave.

Blessings don't really matter for Purge but Warp Flurry is the best you can get, Warp Nexus is the second best but none are useless.

For the duelling sword blessings and perks don't really matter. The main use for it is to kill as dodge mutants & dogs and you can do a decent job at it without any +% damage perks so roll for what you want.

Use your ult before any elites go down and purge the trash around and behind them. Repeat.

On a rager pack or a ranged pack in range you should be spamming LMB on purge to keep your team safe.

If you can't reach with Purge, don't go in, play it safe and BB.

Keep an eye on your toughness, if it goes low you should hide and pop a trash mob or two with BB.

The Purge is a protector, pick a teammate and stick with them. A good veteran will appreciate you watching their behind. An ogryn is also a solid choice as you can use him as a meat shield vs ranged enemies.

[distant fog]

I've seen people mention that crit chance is godly on the purgatus but is the unarmoured enemy damage good or should I trade that out for something else?

[dreamy quartz]

what are the best curiot stats

[viscid cloak]

as of rigth now Damage resistance vs Gunners is a must have

if we are speaking the main stat of the curio, people go with atleast 1 wound(s)

[cyan notch]

no damage res vs gunners sucks

i dont use that and have no problem

they do pathetic damage anyway

[viscid cloak]

are we in the same page my dude?

not the gunner elites, the Gunner enemies

[jovial frigate]

i swapped to stam regen after seeing that psykers have the fastest cooldown timer for stam regen to start

feels pretty good so far

[viscid cloak]

you have 2-3 slots for perks in curios, you don't need to "swap"

[jovial frigate]

?

[viscid cloak]

just have both

[jovial frigate]

im not following

[cyan notch]

damage resist vs gunners only affects the elites

[jovial frigate]

i swapped from like gunner resist/hp/tough perk preference to hp/tough/stam regen

so why would i have both if my preference changed

[viscid cloak]

Well then i have been fuckin lied to

[cyan notch]

if u think about it all the damage resist is vs specials and elites only

[near wyvern]

Purge applies double blaze stacks on crit. Each stack increases the dot damage multiplicatively so the more stacks you have the more damage an extra stack will apply.

For a god roll purge you want + crit chance and + flak damage as perks, warp flurry and warp nexus as blessings.

The reasoning is that unarmoured and infested targets get perma stunned when in range.

Carapace damage is so low that it wouldn't matter even if you got a +200% damage buff for it.

Purge always hits body shots so the remaning enemy types are unielding, flak and maniacs.

For maniacs, only dreg ragers are a threat and you can keep them perma stunned with LMB and even have time to quell more than you spend in between. Mutants can't be stunned with purge but you should anyways melee them to death. Bombers and flamers will either get melee or BB'd.

For unyielding you have your BB.

The only remaining is Flak, where the most dangerous one are Maulers as they are not staggered as easily. Furthermore, flak is the most common armour type in the game.

So +flak damage and then +crit chance as a global damage boost.

[jovial frigate]

i stil dont even think gunner resist applies to shotgunners even. feels like my tough still gets blasted

[cyan notch]

yea shotgunners dont have resist

u just get chunked

high priority for instant deletion

[distant fog]

I see, thanks for the response, so I suppose that Terrifying Barrage is suboptimal purely because of the fact that most standard enemies get perma stunned in range anyways and that it's simply better to have the faster charge rate of Warp Flurry?

[jovial frigate]

ok

can we confirm some shit for me because i swear to god

whenever im 100% toughness lately i get staggered by absolutely anything

[near wyvern]

Funnily enough, the cloud radius includes supression so you don't even need to kill enemies at close range to get them supressed.

The obly benefig of Terrifying Barrage is that it can suppress enemies behind you but TBF if you find that useful you have a problem with spatial awareness.

[distant fog]

Yeah I have no problem with spatial awareness, so that's kind of useless for me then

I'll probably extract my -8% Warp Flurry on my other Purgatus and put it into this one once the obesefish lets me

Thanks!

[jovial frigate]

did they fix warp flurry? last i remember it actually wasnt doing anything

[distant fog]

If that's bugged then would Focused Channelling be better?

[near wyvern]

It works. Really nice with purge.

[jovial frigate]

possibly, honestly as long as you have a good base roll and warp nexus your purg should be fine

if its working then

[near wyvern]

Just keep holding right click and never let go and it will work

[jovial frigate]

ah

[near wyvern]

You can use LMB to empty the charge and even quell while holding RMB, RMB has the least priority.

[jovial frigate]

has anyone ran devil claw sword

[viscid cloak]

i have, its hard to like it

it attacks way too slow for my liking

[nimble needle]

122.6 hours and it's happened!

[alpine portal]

ah good my void staff will be happy

[south zephyr]

I really don't want to give up my deflector FS... but this thing...

[violet yoke]

I got a good mk v combat axes and dropped the FS and never looked back.

But... I only play pubs.. so the MK V axe helps alot of ways that if I was in a good group I wouldn't need it

[south zephyr]

I typically use purge tho, so the FS gives good utility with deflector

I wish I got that on my zealot though

[violet yoke]

250 hrs in of only pub play on all difficulties. Still can't get on the purge or void train. Zealots flamer makes purg feel like a lil sparklers stick on her and damn

[orchid nacelle]

it's funny that minecraft has the astartes inquisition psyker as a skin but not darktide

[ebon jolt]

I think void is very dependent on good stat, perk and blessing rolls to be good on higher difficulties. I think it is hands down the best staff on malice and below though.

[lucid mortar]

Distribution isn't the best but this is the first 380 staff I've found

[vernal vault]

I haven’t got one in days 💀

When I started there was so many in shop

Did they lower the chances a staff would show in shop?

[ebon jolt]

A 380? I have like 5 across all characters and have played for over 200 hours.

[violet yoke]

No matter how you cut it void just feels like a weaker versions of a good sharp shooter. On the higher difficulties

[teal kite]

when psyker explodes due to overload it should damage everything around them enemies wise

[near wyvern]

rng my friend

[ebon jolt]

I can’t even get a 370+ staff.

[vernal vault]

No a staff in general

Maybe I’m just cursed

[ebon jolt]

Does stamina regen affect regen rate or delay?

[violet yoke]

I am not 100% on this but I personally didn't start seeing higher stuff over 370-380 until i stared playing her and damn only. I noticed when i started doing Mal runs for psteel my vendor shop gear started dropping back down to the 330-350s range again. Not sure how the shop works but it def has something to do with your last few successful game passes

[crude trout]

whats a general feat build for a surge psyker

one of my friends is already a purge one so I thought to support him

[violet yoke]

321133 flows well with surge staffs

[crude trout]

thanks!

so for gameplay

do I fully charge the surge

or just immediately click left click after charging for a bit

[violet yoke]

Half charged most of time

Half will stun pox and mutants and most big stuff

Witch is 99% of that roll

[crude trout]

I see, and for curios, do I equip one that has +1 wound, and then the rest health?

[violet yoke]

U can stack health or toughness its a debate either way on that one

[crude trout]

we're planning a damnation run so here I am asking for advice

ooh okay, thanks!

[violet yoke]

Just stick to one or the other and go all in(I like toughness) but to each there own

[jovial frigate]

for ranged mobs if you have a decent staff, a instant into a full charge should kill the whole pack as well

[crude trout]

is this still true in damnation?

[violet yoke]

There is alot of learning on wen to quick pop and not but once u know how much damge ur putting out u can do fun stuff like that

Test it out in the meat grinder

[crude trout]

will do

[jovial frigate]

should be for the most part but yeah would test in the grinder with your current staff/stats

also who said that surge cant crit rn thats def a lie lol

[frigid marten]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/bolter-with-crit-crit-dmg-crit-chance-while-aiming-what-a-god-roll/69188/5 it’s a visual bug

To explain a bit more. We have a bug currently in the Psykanum that the color of the damage number that pops up is incorrect some times even if the attack crited. So you crit you will give higher damage, but the color of the damage number is still white.

[ornate hamlet]

Is this a good perk for the flame staff?

Or should i try for another

[violet yoke]

+25 flak is a safe bet on any wep right now

[ornate hamlet]

Is there any perk thats stronger to get?

[night marten]

crit chance is the best perk, and the only one that really matters for purgatus currenly

warp nexus is the best blessing

[crude trout]

is the build for voidstrike and surge staff the same?

[night marten]

I don't think you're really limited by feat choice when picking between surge and void. void is probably the only one you want to use with absorption generally, but one of its best blessings (quell on weakspot hit) synergizes really nicely with quietitude. with surge quietitude is generally you're best bet.

[haughty sinew]

Question: is it intended that the vendor doesn't sell a single staff?
I would expect that since psykers use staves, they should be a higher priority in the shop, as well as force swords, no?

[night marten]

besides that, and probably not wanting to pick up psykinetic's wrath with surge (because you won't kill much), your options are mostly open

[crude trout]

ok , thanks!

[night marten]

we would too friend. we would too

[haughty sinew]

Ah ok, so it`s a pepega move from the devs

[supple skiff]

does shred only stack on one target or it is flat increase as long a your hitting things

[night marten]

not sure , the wording could be interpreted both ways

[supple skiff]

upgraded another purple deflector and got that with tier 3, the hunt for deflector slaughterer combo continues

[night marten]

easiest way to test would probably be to attack a mutie for 5-6 hits before swinging for body shots on a maniac rager or reaper. look for a noticeable increase in crits

[keen pawn]

this game refuses to give my psyker good stuff

[supple skiff]

has a shit finese stat tho so prob not worth using

[heavy coral]

Has Purg staff been buffed since release or is it still kinda blah in Heresy and Damnation?

[worn canopy]

As usual

[night marten]

it's good generally, but still has weaknesses (like all staff options)

[heavy coral]

I'm more into the Surge staff, because dogs, mutants, and bursters make me paranoid. At least it can do something about them.

[jovial frigate]

its been a like 7.5/8.5 out of 10 for as long as i can remember

[night marten]

trauma could do something about bursters and dogs lol, not sure if it could stop a mutie charge

[heavy coral]

Maybe if you hit it in the dead center of the area with a full blast?

[jovial frigate]

lol

[night marten]

would be cool to see. it stuns literally everything else in the game

eh, haven't tried it on daemonhost

[heavy coral]

Like, I want to like the Trauma staff, but it's so expensive in Peril.

[jovial frigate]

best trauma staff you've seen

[heavy coral]

I didn't know feet were a Weak Spot. >.>

[jovial frigate]

they arent

[heavy coral]

That's the point I think I was trying to draw attention to.

[jovial frigate]

didnt u know all the monsters have heads as feet

[night marten]

best I've got

[jovial frigate]

why diddnt u make it orange

[night marten]

haven't used it at all

[jovial frigate]

cant blame u

[heavy coral]

It simply exists to post at people. Making it orange would invalidate its existence as something that could potentially be decent.

[night marten]

to be fair it will always be decent with those stats (until the cap is increased), but yea I just post it at people

[supple skiff]

get good rolls till purple to bait out your crafting mats, then a shit orange blessing

its a feature.... probably

[night marten]

the story of every curio

[modern bronze]

the roll where hadron ruins your item will always have the voiceline 'I trust you are pleased varlet'

[night marten]

+exp
"OMNISSIAH be praised!!"

[cyan notch]

crafting costs are way too high

800 from purple to orange

cmon bruh thats like at least 4 heresy+ missions

[jovial frigate]

crafting costs arent bad

curio crafting costs are a literal sin

whoever thought a little pocket item should cost the same amount as any weapon should be fired

[summer prairie]

what you have to do is wait for the shop to have ~ideally rolled blue and then you get two rolls to get something decent

[shadow wigeon]

The Emperor was feeling the spirit of the season

[jovial frigate]

ah yes so i should never sleep for 24 attempts a day to get something between like 55 and 160 points of good

[summer prairie]

you are in no rush though

[jovial frigate]

and then those points also have to turn into the good version of those points

[summer prairie]

if the blessing crafting works as described, it's going to be pretty easy

[night marten]

people like feeling like they're making trackable progress towards their goals in game. if it's entirely RNG-based, you lose the feeling of meaningful progression (until one day you magically get the god-roll anyway), which I think is where @jovial frigate is coming from

[dense cloud]

JUST GOT A 1999 DMG BB WITH HEAD HUNTER :d

[jovial frigate]

i dont mind rng, just the range of rng is too big imo and its all just timegated slot machines rn

[summer prairie]

it's easier to get good curios than weapons imo

[remote tusk]

Log in, look at slot machine, sigh in disappointment, log out

Captivating endgame cycle

[jovial frigate]

ye because theres only 4 blessings to choose from with acecptable point thresholds for a strong rolled one

[nimble burrow]

monkey brain only want bigger number, not to play the actual game

[jovial frigate]

im pretty much already at the end, doesnt make the system not shit

[nimble burrow]

the tangible difference between that and something with 20 less points would be indiscernible

its a pointless argument

[summer prairie]

it's probably actually 379.5 anyway, yikes

[jovial frigate]

lot of factors would go into that though, if we're talking solely base mod yeah that's correct

[vagrant cedar]

but you don't have this

all that crit

[jovial frigate]

if purg could roll that, it would be pretty insane lol

[karmic quail]

Does quell speed only affect you when the weapon is held?

[night marten]

still don't understand why it can't

[dawn orchid]

The only deflector sword I've seen in over 200 hours and it rolls shit warp resist

[jovial frigate]

because crushers would instantly get 17 stacks and vets would no longer have a target dummy to try to penance hunt on

[lament sequoia]

Am I wrong for loving soulblaze

[night marten]

that's more or less the dump stat, it's a very solid sword

[lament sequoia]

I just hate that the < 30 skills are trash

[dawn orchid]

Doesn't it decrease your peril build up when peril blocking?

[night marten]

not at all

[night marten]

actually not sure, it might

but that might not really matter unless you plan on ogryn tanking a level. just have to close with the nearest gunner pack to pull them into melee

would at least try running with it for a couple missions to test drive, might surprise you

[lament sequoia]

What is the best cc staff so far?

elec?

[dawn orchid]

That's precisely what I want

[dawn orchid]

Surge

It's entire purpose is basically stunlocking things

The damage ranges from ok to abysmal depending on the target

But it can stunlock everything except unyielding enemies

Although it suffers into hordes, where purge will be much more useful for stunning

But purge can't stun big targets iirc

[jovial frigate]

running surge with a vet or a zealot pretty much makes the whole game duo-able

[keen pawn]

I kid u tf not, this is my first mk IV in a week...

[jovial frigate]

yeah i havent seen a single voidstrike in a while

[boreal wave]

Surge's damage is okay against most specials. But yeah, chaff laughs at it and it's being capped to only so many targets makes it by far the worst damage staff.

Just use it to mass stun and if you see specials, focus on them and watch as you snake some kills

[shadow wigeon]

When a horde is between you and a special it also has issues

[hardy lily]

I hate the 300 second warp charge penance so much

[dawn orchid]

It deals -75% damage to unarmored targets btw

[jovial frigate]

just run purg + the blaze 30 talent with kinetic flayer and communion

[keen pawn]

I did it 1st try, just speed forward, dont take ur time with the mission

[jovial frigate]

all you gotta do is not ult for 5 mins

[night marten]

run flayer, barrage, and communion

ezpz

[jovial frigate]

or that

[alpine portal]

If you que with bots you get half way there, just keep going the warp charge with allies in coherence is also useful.

[keen pawn]

u can ult... tf

[alpine portal]

I helped a rando get it in the forge mission at the end, we just shoved the pox walkers for 5 min

[jovial frigate]

read my comment right before where i tell him to grab ascendant blaze

[wet gust]

I don't know if it is me (that I'm too bad) or the Psyker has some kind of struggle.

I feel it quite weak for T4 and I noticed that anyone else kill things way faster and better than Psyker

I am doing something wrong or Psyker is weak?

[alpine portal]

lmb also gets you there, if they keep killing what your going after but it has a higher peril cost

[wet raven]

the thing doesnt build up peril much at all? so i think this one is actually wonderful
plus with the force weapon perk, being at high peril is actually a boon, you can control it fairly well... this is actually a wonderful sword :V

[keen pawn]

AB is ass ngl 💀 KB is just too good

[dense cloud]

use gun and you wil kil jsut as fawst

[lament sequoia]

Mostly because T4 requires roles / things we are not ready for yet

[valid frigate]

Bruh the store refuses to have a fire staff

[dense cloud]

but in relaty plasycher staffss del most dmg

just not singel target dmg

[lament sequoia]

Like we need people that understand they are stagger / cc etc

[dense cloud]

every opne fgorgets that

[night marten]

unless you're running a purge build, in malice and higher you will probably notice people melting shit way faster than you do. that's just how it is

[jovial frigate]

that wasnt the point of my comment though

[lament sequoia]

We are not glass cannon'y' enough?

[alpine portal]

my first 80 curio was a wound one....

[shadow wigeon]

I did not know this, no wonder it's so useless on mobs 😮

[night marten]

unless you're running purge, and killing things in its range, no

[wet gust]

Yeah, I am playing Purgatus, is that staff bad?

[night marten]

no, it's great. but it has weaknesses

[wet raven]

no...?

[alpine portal]

purge build = purgus staff?

[wet raven]

its peril build up is wonderfully low, and flamers are extremely good at wave clear

[jovial frigate]

purg is growing on me a lil after a few damnation matches with it

[shadow wigeon]

It has less relative utility at lvl 4, compared to lower levels

[night marten]

?? it's the opposite

[alpine portal]

testing out a fs build the stagger on pergus is really nice

[night marten]

higher enemy density and HP pools, the better purgatus is

[jovial frigate]

i've been absolutely nuking in t4/t5 ever since i found out shred on axe is seemingly affecting purg

[wet gust]

This is the Purge build?

[night marten]

that's a great defense-oriented build, yea

[shadow wigeon]

I find some players on Heresy don't need the horde clear as much, and more time spent on specials

[night marten]

you can run KO instead of flayer for more elite offense

[wet gust]

I've hear this build is good with a Force Sword + Deflector

[remote tusk]

Purge and surge is getting better the higher difficulty you play

[night marten]

horde clear often includes specials, particularly in heresy and damnation

[alpine portal]

Ive herd inner tranquiolity is bugged and reduces your quell time as well

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a max perk for chance? Ive only seen 4%

[jovial frigate]

purg build does both of these pretty well tho

[wet gust]

5%

[night marten]

5%

[dense cloud]

finlkey got it 😄

[wet gust]

Interesting, didn't know that

[ornate hamlet]

So keep rolling for crit chance up?

[dense cloud]

it exists proof

15% sp[rint on curio

[night marten]

that was fixed, unless there has been a new bug

[ebon jolt]

Didn't they fix that in 1.0.20?

[summer prairie]

j_sat says it's still bugged and felt like it to me

[wet raven]

ive tested it, it is officially fixed

[alpine portal]

I read this.... yesterday? im currently unemployed untill new year so days run together lol

[night marten]

completely fair

[wet gust]

So how is the best way to play Purgatus Staff? Puff all around and hold it when is a big horde?

[alpine portal]

im still bad at the game. lol

[jovial frigate]

@night marten did i show you shred + purg yet idk if u were there

[summer prairie]

#psyker-class message

[night marten]

kind of yea. for most things opening with a single lmb, to charge a rmb for the kill is a solid general approach

[night marten]

dont think so, bet it's fucking nuts on the damage ramp with stacks getting doubled

[alpine portal]

do you use it with fs?

[remote tusk]

The Inquisition has a job for you

[jovial frigate]

supposed to be just base psyker 5% crit here. random purg staff with no crit mods on it

[alpine portal]

look its been a month and im studying for a CDL dying for the emporer seems like a solid option 🙂

[summer prairie]

how long does shred last

[jovial frigate]

axe used

no idea

[dense cloud]

wee finyl got 60% gunner resists 😄

[night marten]

annoyingly it's difficult to tell because there is no buff indicator

[alpine portal]

so some blessings are global?

[jovial frigate]

a lot of them are

they just dont tell us which ones

[alpine portal]

data mine info? or list of what is?

[jovial frigate]

or if its intended

[remote tusk]

You need an excel spreadsheet, through empirical analysis and an incredibly accurate fortune teller to make sense of game mechanics at that level

[wet gust]

Thanks mate

[dawn orchid]

In higher difficulties it can definitely build up fast, although I was using the non deflector version on a dueling saber to tank melee hits. I'll see how the 35% resist on that and the block efficiency I just rolled works out.

[wet gust]

Best blessing is the suppression on kill right?

[dense cloud]

run and gun 😄

puf puf run

😄

imho

[wet gust]

You can roll that on a staff?

lol

[dense cloud]

yes

[wet gust]

Western Psyker

[remote tusk]

It's pretty useless

[night marten]

no shredder, just warp nexus on the staff (plus chance perk). imagine if it had shredder too...

[dawn orchid]

The issue with purge is primarily with the dot it applies, which is soulblaze. Soulblaze has non-linear scaling where it's absolute dogshit unless you apply a bunch of stacks, and in many situations shit is dying well before you reach that point.

[jovial frigate]

tested it with my 3% nexus crit purg. cant remember but if shred is actually working here i should be like 40? crit

[night marten]

hmm, would expect more than a few crits with chance being that high

[jovial frigate]

i did a couple more tests after as well but its really hard to get conclusive result off percentage based attacks, who woulda thought

i think i have one where my screen was basically yellow, lemme see if i can find it

[night marten]

yea I hear that. submitted a bug report about purg direct damage kills appearing to not activate AB's 10% warp charge chance. I wanted to provide evidence, but showing probability in a short video is hard lol

[dense cloud]

surge staf dmg with 6 stacks and its is nice

and people sys sruge does no dmg

[dawn orchid]

It does 25% more to armored targets

-75% to unarmored, which is the most common type

[dense cloud]

yes true but thats not what the staf is used for tbf

[dawn orchid]

Hordes also drastically reduce the chance of you hitting the elites

[manic needle]

I'm curious as to which perk you guys would want less on a Force Sword: 20% Damage to Unyielding or 5% Melee Crit Chance

Neither of them seem particularly fantastic

[night marten]

probably the crit chance

[feral crater]

Surge is good. But it's situational. Purg is good. But it's situational. Void is good. But it's situational.
Edit: And trauma is traumatic.

[night marten]

unless you're leaning hard into a blessing that really needs a crit

[dense cloud]

true true you just want to have full psycher party 1 of each staf 😄

[summer prairie]

kind of feels like the shred buff takes a very long time to go away

[dense cloud]

and 4 x cooldwon pwerk

so ublitmed power up keep

[clear heath]

I don't think they would stack

[manic needle]

Nope, going for a Kinetic Deflection build so Im stacking Block Efficiency

[night marten]

definitely keep the unyielding damage. one of it's primary strengths is using special attack on ogryns, so that will come in handy

[remote tusk]

Damnation with 4x psyker is fun. Everything is just particle effects and incoherent screaming

[feral crater]

Surge is great paired with a flamer, wether from a Zealot or another psy. Coz everything that survives the flame is what you NEED to stun and what you do best damage against

[clear heath]

Blazing Spirit surge!?!?!??

[ornate hamlet]

Fucking finally

[wet raven]

prolly a bug pfft

[clear heath]

Blessings that build up stacks keep the stacks even if you switch weapons

they'll only build up when the weapon is out tho

[dense cloud]

omfg 😄 i wwant balzing !!!!

suyrge 😄

gime oyur swsornd plox

[clear heath]

Like for example, this axe buffs my gun

[jovial frigate]

ah so the delayed dam on surge enables that

[jovial frigate]

decimator on axe affects bb too

just found that out like 10 seconds ago

[clear heath]

I wonder if you can reach any useful BB breakpoints with weapon blessings

Stacks of a blessing being global isn't too weird, so it wouldn't surprise me if that stays in.
DoT's using blessing and perk stats tho....

headtaker burn

[jovial frigate]

actually this is wrong please ignore

[clear heath]

oh damn

[jovial frigate]

seems to affect staff power

[ornate hamlet]

Toughness or health curios?

[jovial frigate]

which might mean that it's the same for the force sword version for peril

[night marten]

both are good

[clear heath]

Wait really?
I figured it'd only work for things that are buff stacks with a duration

Or are you like switch canceling surge or something?

[jovial frigate]

i was using a purg to test just left clicks but i'll post the clip, lemme just snip it quick

[clear heath]

If it's the soulblaze, it'll always scale with whatever you have out

[jovial frigate]

purg left click damage i was looking at

[clear heath]

oh hmm

[jovial frigate]

was just spinning through weps so i just used what i had out

[clear heath]

weird, maybe all or nothing secretly sticks a buff to you that just stays

How long does it work for after you switch off the weapon?

forever?

[jovial frigate]

yeah because its just based on stam, i didnt try anything special really

ij ust used it at max stam, swapped weps and push blocked my stam to 0 and then tried it again

damage was lower

[clear heath]

Did you try multiple attacks? Maybe it just buffs you for your next attack

[dense cloud]

any one got a surge bessling on a void staf yet ??

[summer prairie]

I think I saw a screenshot or two

I think it only comes in t4 form, which is probably what makes it rare

[ornate hamlet]

Waiting for blessing rerolls be like

[clear heath]

headtaker works tho

[jovial frigate]

just waiting for this video to be resized and compressed

there we go

[clear heath]

oh wtf

wait what if

[dense cloud]

does it work on surge staf to ?

[clear heath]

what if it only checks your stamina while you have the melee weapon out?

Like if you waste all your stamina while on staff but never switch back to melee, maybe you'll still have the full stam buff

[night marten]

that's how the crucian roulette "bug" works

[jovial frigate]

i was going to try sprinting my stam doing to avoid that but i didnt want the video to be a minute of me running like a idito

[clear heath]

A lot of these blessings seem to only actually check conditions when the weapon is out

but the buff stays

[dense cloud]

it works on surge to 😄

[left briar]

hey, share the ammo!!!

[clear heath]

I imagine it works with brain burst as well

[summer prairie]

what if you switch from max peril warp nexus staff to melee, do you keep the crit chance and does it stop checking for your peril

[alpine portal]

Im wondering if its intended because of that

[jovial frigate]

warp nexus does apply to melee wep

[clear heath]

nah it definitely still scales with stamina even with if you have a different weapon out

it constantly checks regardless

[summer prairie]

but still scales based on current peril?

[jovial frigate]

yellow numbers everywhere

[clear heath]

btw the stamina one does boost your brain bursts

[jovial frigate]

nice

[clear heath]

maybe this is how we make brain burst useful

[jovial frigate]

baasically a free warp charge then

[clear heath]

power blessings on our weapons to scale brain burst

broken

[jovial frigate]

i was thinking of the uh

[lucid mortar]

I haven't been paying attention, what's the TLDR; here?

[jovial frigate]

peril power one on force sword + voidstriekl with weakpoint quell

prolly pretty good combo

this one but the 5% version

[radiant niche]

what curios are people running generally? is it worth it to stack toughness or health since our base is already so low?

[jovial frigate]

health and tough are both good

[alpine portal]

been running one of each. wound. ideally my health one would have cruption resist as it goes will with grim runs.

[jovial frigate]

does finesse affect special attack on force sword

[clear heath]

Some blessings work even when you switch weapons
Things that have stacks will build up stacks while you have the wep out, and the stacks will stay and have their effects till their duration ends when you switch
Things that say they scale (like All or Nothing scaling with stamina) will always scale and take affect

[long wharf]

I find health more useful

2x health, 1x wound

[alpine portal]

what about secondary blessing im running snipers and block

[clear heath]

I just stack toughness curios

[keen pawn]

rip the crit bonus

[clear heath]

I think toughness in general is best on all the classes
But for psyker in particular, we regain that toughness so fast and our health is so low. I'd rather have more toughness to prevent health loss than to try to tank more of it

[jovial frigate]

so what is toughness regen exactly

[clear heath]

nothing

it's bugged anyways

[jovial frigate]

perfect

[clear heath]

but i've heard what it's supposed to do is that it lowers the delay from starting your coherency regen after you get hit

[long wharf]

I disagree, because toughness can be stripped away due to either shenanigans, assholeness, not paying attention, or RNGesus

psykers have more health than toughness anyways

[clear heath]

all the classes do, but 100 toughness doesn't even feel playable

[long wharf]

and some enemies do more toughness than health damage

[clear heath]

with 100 toughness, you're losing hp every single time a shotgunner shoots you

[long wharf]

and a shotgunner is very rarely alone

[keen pawn]

i meaaannn? not bad?

[long wharf]

making it even more pointless to try to stack toughness over health

[jovial frigate]

ooo

[clear heath]

I mean surely you're not getting hit by every single shotgunner in a shotgunner horde

[long wharf]

you're better off stacking resistances on curios

and health

that's been my experience

[random wolf]

I'm stacking block efficiency on my Force Sword

[neat inlet]

Is there still a working infinite block build? I remember seeing a psyker facetank daemonhost a week back

[random wolf]

[long wharf]

I have block efficiency on all my curios

[random wolf]

Any Dueling Sword works

And then stack block efficiency lol

[clear heath]

So am i, but i hear it's bugged on curios with peril block so it actually nerfs you.
Just waiting for it to be fixed

[long wharf]

combat axe works for the exact same reason

[dawn orchid]

Unfortunate, I lucked out with mine dumping charge rate the most

[clear heath]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/block-effiency-causes-you-to-generate-more-peril-with-the-peril-when-blocking-perk/70868

[jovial frigate]

lmao

[long wharf]

I'd like to see a dev confirm this

[dawn orchid]

god damnit, I just rolled the high tier block efficiency on my force sword

[long wharf]

that post is woefully short on details and testing methodology

[clear heath]

Although i swear i've seen someone block and gain less peril than me, so it definitely works in some way. I had a dueling sword at 0% block eff, and a video showed another guy with a dueling sword taking 20% less peril damage on block than me, so at the very least, it works in some way.
Perhaps it's only bugged in curios, or only bugged on force swords with deflector?

[near wyvern]

What do you mean. Charge rate is not that important, you have plenty of time and it's not like you would be able to stun lock the horde anyways.

[long wharf]

let's not play the strawman argument about surging into hordes, please

surge isn't for the horde

[dawn orchid]

Yes, that's why I said I lucked out. Charge rate is the least useful stat on surge.

[long wharf]

you absolutely don't want charge rate to be your dump stat on surge

[dawn orchid]

Really?

[jovial frigate]

hes got a maxed warp flurry so that def balances out at least

[near wyvern]

Oh I got it wrong then I thought you were sad about it

[long wharf]

it takes longer to do multiple min-charge stuns than it does to charge for a half second more and kill the group of gunners

[clear heath]

Honestly i could sacrifice damage for surge staff

[long wharf]

the key to surge is knowing when to charge up and when to spam

which requires knowing your enemies

[clear heath]

Sacrificing quell is fine if you're using a non-force sword melee

with force sword melee you do need the staff to quell tho

[near wyvern]

Le what now?

Where do you need more charge rate? You want to do min charges to do more stuns for less peril cost

Having a high charge rate just causes you to waste more peril

[long wharf]

yes, quell is the best stat to dump, though ideally you don't want it at 0

[jovial frigate]

1 will suffice

[long wharf]

it's not a waste if the enemies die meaning you don't have to keep spamming

[summer prairie]

even the min charge takes longer though

[long wharf]

like I said, surge is about knowing when to charge

if you think the right answer is "never", then you're surging wrong

surge requires tactical awareness of what's going on

it's not purge or void where you're spamming as much as possible all the time

[clear heath]

I like my quell maxed because i use force sword
although using force sword with surge isn't optimal anyways

If i was running non-force sword, i'd just dump quell

[near wyvern]

I mean sure you can charge against armour but non armoured targets??? Just whip out the melee already if you need to kill

[long wharf]

I definitely wouldn't pair force sword with surge

[summer prairie]

no point min charging even elites when you can do a bit longer charge for more damage and still keep them stunned

[long wharf]

exactly, so you do recognize that there are multiple enemy types and thus saying you don't need to charge is simply wrong

[clear heath]

It works okay, but for it to be playable you kinda want this

[lucid mortar]

I use deflector to get closer to ranged so I can surge them. Seems to work well

[near wyvern]

Most often you don't and when you do you have 2 crushers and a bulwark, giving you an ample of time to charge when they are doing the spazz jazz

[clear heath]

i actually don't know how this shit scales if 80% of 100 is 66.67%

[long wharf]

the sad truth is you perform better with the team using passive quelling on non-force melee, because you can sprint and keep up with everyone while quelling almost as fast as maxed active quelling

[jovial frigate]

is there lens flares/raised weapons when you're about to surge? prolly not a good idea to full charge

[long wharf]

I always full charge against mutants

[jovial quail]

I know that the 500 statted purg staff is better but run n gun + 20% sprint efficiency with all my other stamina buffs feels so much better in action Do you guys feel like Terrifying Barrage is even worth it on purg?

[long wharf]

and I very, very rarely fail to stun them out of a charge

even on damnation

[jovial frigate]

well you can hear from from 600 miles away so full charging them is just free dam

[long wharf]

the left staff is superior anyways

[near wyvern]

No. Terrifying Barrage is overlapping with the staff internals.

Check out the cloud radius breakdown, it affects your supression. You will supress all enemies near your flames even if you don't kill them.

The only way to benefit from Terrifying Barrage with purge is to supress enemies behind you but if you have the need for that you are doing it wrong.

[jovial quail]

@near wyvern My thoughts exactly, plus i'm typically doing a huge horizontal spray anyways to knockback everything off of all teamates anyways

[jovial frigate]

dont you know dregs spawn our of your asscheeks

[jovial quail]

Guess i'll just slum it with the other staff since it feels significantly better in actual gameplay until I get a better Warp Nexus rolled staff

[near wyvern]

Warp flurry is really sweet against trash on Purge

[alpine portal]

Sprint efficency is trash for us right?

on curio

[long wharf]

warp flurry doesn't work

[jovial frigate]

i would go stam regen over sprint efficiency personally

[jovial quail]

I did some testing and since I run knife and do alot of heavy attack movetech it helps quite a bit. went from a base of 4.16 seconds of sprint to like 9.5 seconds

which translates to even more when you're mixing in heavy attack slides and other movetech as well

[summer prairie]

when you are doing the movetech, do you even run out of stamina

[jovial quail]

great for kiting boss/horde/elites/specials all at once and helps with searching for crafting mats as well

[near wyvern]

Depends.

You do get momentarily a bit faster speed but if you are running Kinetic Deflector you don't need to worry about stamina as long as you have peril for block.

Notice different weapons have different spring costs. For example the knife drains only 0.5 stamina per second.

[jovial quail]

It depends, if i'm just power sliding everywhere not really since you can recover enough, but I don't always just do that, I mix in heavy attack spams for like moving up staircases or like killing 4-5 enemies with heavy attacks as i'm going forward

[alpine portal]

got a 21 health curio rolled with 4 sprint ,

[long wharf]

the funny thing about focusing on moving as fast as possible is that it really isn't generally useful

[clear heath]

peril block makes sprint efficiency kinda meaningless imo
plus we actually take a bit more toughness damage when we sprint

[long wharf]

on low difficulty, if you're speed running, go ham

on higher difficulty, you really want to stay with the group

[dawn orchid]

Hmm, doesn't seem like any notable difference between nonstop casting ranged enemies and charging

[near wyvern]

It does. Just hold right click and never let go. Your LMB and quell will take over priority over RMB.

So hold RMB, then LMB when you want to empty your charge and keep holding RMB all the time. When your cast ends it will start to charge at a faster rate.

[dawn orchid]

In terms of time

[near wyvern]

You can even quell while holding RMB so get used to hugging it.

[alpine portal]

he is correct I tested it as well

[long wharf]

sigh, I've tested this before, but I guess I'm heading into the meat grinder once again

[alpine portal]

Recent fix

[near wyvern]

So many ninja changes

[dense cloud]

or

everyting just worked fine and people tested wronfg

[near wyvern]

Ye but they fixed the peril bug without stating anything as an example

[clear heath]

You'd think they would try to put everything they fix into the patch notes just to improve their reputation
Fatshark needs a win and making it sound like they're fixing things would help a lot

[alpine portal]

I tested it in meat grinder held rmb and 4 seconds each charge?

[onyx wasp]

has anyone here managed to get cliffhanger penance, i tried it with bots but they kill all the mobs and with pug players they either say no or wait for a bit but get bored after 20 seconds and run off. and kill all the mobs.

[long wharf]

chase penances with a group dedicated to doing the penances

hit the LFG channels

[alpine portal]

it does not have to be with your ult, i did it with the trauma staff.

[near wyvern]

@long wharf

Yes and no. You don't need sprint speed at high diffs, that I can agree with but you absolutely benefit from a long and fast dodge (slide) as well as the option to do many in a row.

[dense cloud]

also the prob fixed teh cruiszoon roulet crit bug were if your gun was empty your melee woul have hig crit it seems 😦 sad face

[alpine portal]

the end of the esponage mission with the 2 bridges is a good place to try

[long wharf]

the start of Chasm Logistratum is the easiest place to do Cliffhanger

[onyx wasp]

yeah i tried that spot

[long wharf]

we really need one of the many times I've explained this pinned already

[onyx wasp]

bots killed everything then people joined and didnt want to wait

[long wharf]

welcome to playing in pugs

[alpine portal]

Yah that one where the hord jumps up.

[onyx wasp]

i assume its just not realistically doable without a dedicated friend

[long wharf]

that or the long, thin, suspended walkway next to the bridge

[clear heath]

It's amazing how the psyker achievement is rarer than people leveling all 4 classes to 30

[summer prairie]

still not seeing any difference in charge time with surge/warp flurry

[near wyvern]

Cliffhanger is also easy to do on the raid mission where you have to get the batteries from the train.

Just before the mission ends, there is a small bridge to the Valkyrie and there will be a big horde.

Keep your peril high (BB right or whatever) and ult when the horde gets over the bridge. Then get in to the valk.

[long wharf]

I'm just not seeing any charge speed difference on any of my staves with warp flurry

[clear heath]

warp flurry is such an annoying thing to test.
we need someone dedicated enough to record and count the frames

[long wharf]

on repeated charges holding rmb

I easily can immediately get into a rythm

[alpine portal]

if we are counting frames is it really worth a blessing?

[clear heath]

i mean most of the blessings are ass anyways

so like

[long wharf]

you aren't wrong

[alpine portal]

ill give you that

[long wharf]

I think every staff needs to be able to get blazing spirit

[alpine portal]

we NEED an option to turn off sceen effects

[clear heath]

hm

[summer prairie]

nevermind i see it working

[long wharf]

without having to weapon swap to take advantage of janky FatDev code

so embarassing

[clear heath]

bugs are just unintended features

[long wharf]

they certainly are

[summer prairie]

easy enough to see with voidstrike if you spam min charge for a while and then watch the charge bar

[long wharf]

maybe it only works on void, who knows

I didn't see any difference on purge or surge

[summer prairie]

surge has too long animation

[tight niche]

Wait does high peril coincide with more push?

[summer prairie]

but it doesn't work on voidstrike either if you do longer charges

[long wharf]

we should have a feat for that, but no

or a feat that makes our push deal damage based on warp charges

I never spam min-charge void

unless I'm trying to stagger lock something

I'd rather take a split second more and ensure nothing is standing back up

[summer prairie]

to get any value out of you have to spam min charge first and then you get one faster charge, that's useless

[long wharf]

a dead horde is better than a scattered horde

[hardy socket]

had my first experience with a bad ogryn

[long wharf]

that's a shame, I usually really enjoy ogryn players

[clear heath]

i hate them all

[hardy socket]

i've played with like 40 ogryns

all of them are good

[long wharf]

why?

[clear heath]

except when i play them

[hardy socket]

except this one

[clear heath]

ogryn too fat

[hardy socket]

back of the map half the game

[tight niche]

Spill the tea

[hardy socket]

somehow died more than me

[long wharf]

ogryns don't block any of our warp attacks

[hardy socket]

coulda sworn that ogryn did not shoot once

[clear heath]

yeah but i don't like how much of the screen they take up
annoying to look at

also i sometimes play vet and zealot

[hardy socket]

hadn't had a bad vet so far

[clear heath]

playing vet is where my inner ogryn racism truly comes out

[hardy socket]

zealots are iffy, cause they do huge amounts of damage but are 1 hp the entire match every match

[clear heath]

playing anything else brings out my vet descrimination tho

[tight niche]

I havent played with anyone else bad persay

Maybe annoying

[long wharf]

oh I've seen bad vets

[hardy socket]

only real metric for bad is just being straight up worse than having a bot

[long wharf]

the ones that pop their ult and then aim center mass at every target

[tight niche]

That's true

[hardy socket]

and the ogryn was worse than having a bot because of being a kilometer away from the rest of the team

that match we had a duo psyker team with surge and void

[tight niche]

Ngl I have a bad habit of this blame years of tactical shooter teaching me to shoot center mass

[clear heath]

The worse vets are the ones who fire 15 lasgun shots at a crusher for 2 damage each instead of killing the swarm of gunners on our asses

or the ones who bring the bolter

[tight niche]

Knowing what you can and can't kill effectively makes a huge difference

[hardy socket]

like building a jack of all trades typa build

voidstaff with like 30% more damage to elites typa shit

[tight niche]

Wish the game advertised the meat grinder better to new players

[hardy socket]

or just included the lil tab sheet that says what your gun is actually good at in the tutorial

[tight niche]

Yeah

[hardy socket]

actually think there is a thing that says stuff like "horde" and "assassin"

[clear heath]

I really wish this game would just let me start a private lobby solo

i just wanna test shit

[hardy socket]

guessing it might be for something related to cheating

maybe it's easier to catch them in multiplayer lobbies

but scripts that catch cheating should automatically be there regardless of the lobby type

[clear heath]

It's not like there's a report button anyways

[hardy socket]

you could take videos of it maybe?

still probably should have a solo lobby

no xp gain

let cheaters play around if it doesn't bother anyone else

[manic needle]

Darktide got me a Christmas present

[clear heath]

if someone was cheating to record videos
wouldn't you actually just see the cheating in the videos?

[hardy socket]

nah i mean like people in the lobby could record the cheaters

[clear heath]

Besides, this doesn't stop someone from just getting a friend to afk to make a private lobby

[alpine portal]

385!!!!!

[manic needle]

Technically 380, but it glitches when you consecrate

[summer prairie]

it only adds up to 379 but sick perk/blessing rolls

[hardy socket]

that staff could straight up solo damnation

damn

[dense cloud]

iwant a suirge void striek staf 😦

blessing