psyker-class

[lilac mesa]

higher the stat higher the burn tick is how i was understanding it

[lime gorge]

fucking finally

[echo parrot]

Grats, now you look like every other tryhard

[distant pelican]

An Artist on Reddit, does a lot of Warhammer art

[night marten]

yes, damage only affects direct staff damage, has nothing to do with soulblaze (the dot).

[elfin crystal]

it's the dump stat

[night marten]

burn affects how fast soulblaze stacks are applied, and what the maximum stacks you can reach are ("good" staffs can hit 15)

[next pine]

Ok question tho

[night marten]

let me guess, burn intensity?

[next pine]

secondary action burning intensity

[night marten]

yea lol

[next pine]

yes sir

the fuck does that mean

[night marten]

from what I've seen, that affects how fast the direct damage ticks, which is entirely separate from the rate mentioned in the Burn stat and soulblaze in general

[next pine]

and also how do i not have max range with this

ah i see

[night marten]

technically this can be relevant, because the faster your direct damage ticks the more chances you have for a crit (and crits apply 2x stacks)

however

[burnt python]

i saw some re levant stuff on how purge crits work yesterday, lemme see if i can find it again

[night marten]

testing the difference between the output of ~30% and 70% damage staffs with similar burn stats, the total damage you inflict by a full charge secondary is affected very little by the damage stat

short answer, damage is the dump stat (though I wouldn't be happy with a number below 40% personally)

Burn controls the vast majority of your damage

[keen belfry]

i swear the Emprah test me everyday........

[next pine]

It definitely feels weaker in the damage department compared to some of my other staves

[elfin crystal]

oh not bad

[dull cedar]

finally
I hate this so much

[burnt python]

i will see if i can dig it up, can't recall where i saw it, but essentially what it said was when a crit triggers on purge, it lasts for a set number of "hits", then purge is unable to crit again for a set number of hits

[next pine]

@night marten so is there another stat that affects range?

[night marten]

all cloud radius

hover over it

it's length and width of the staff ( )

[night marten]

hmmm, I've definitely seen two crits in a row while using secondary

[next pine]

Ye but with an 80% roll i haven't hit the max of the range or is the range that they display scaled to 100%?

[night marten]

but you're saying it wouldn't be possible to get, say, 3 or 4 in a row due to the limitation you mentioned

[burnt python]

yes but i don't remember specifically how it was worded, if it was hits or a time frame or what

[night marten]

yea think that's the case

[next pine]

Oh dude wtf

[burnt python]

it felt like s tretch while i was reading it but warranted some testing

[next pine]

WHY? what's the point of showing us that lmao

[elfin crystal]

they probably want to add red gear which will go beyond 80% or smth

[burnt python]

yes whats this from

[glacial hare]

Can I just say Psyker once I can move around properly while quelling, is a whole different ballgame.

[cyan notch]

steam guide

[burnt python]

ty

[cyan notch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

[elfin crystal]

i mean yeah you need to be able to quell on the move. and i'm glad staves actually come a little bit with that

[night marten]

ah that page ok. I'm a little confused, I don't know if I've ever seen purgatus rmb crit 3 times in a row

[glacial hare]

Staff + lvl 20 perk is so damn nice.

[next pine]

I need to rebind quell to a mouse button

[burnt python]

i'm very confident purge does not crit in that manner every time

[night marten]

yea

[elfin crystal]

surge crit's fucked right now if anything

iirc

[burnt python]

maybe the right click is not acting like a salvo and it should?

[cyan notch]

surge is fine for me

[elfin crystal]

like it's bugged. it doesn't crit at all

oh

[burnt python]

surge crits fine it just has a bad crit dmg multi

[next pine]

Ye that's the other factor. So much is just broken or not working properly who knows if purg is supposed to crit that way.

[elfin crystal]

i heard it got bugged from the last patch yesterday

[night marten]

but I've seen up to 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4 crits from a single purgatus secondary

[burnt python]

this language specifies a "salvo"

which is multiple shots without resetting, like a melee chain

and we know right clicks currently can't "chain" probably due to bug

so this may change purge behavior if they fix stuff

[summer prairie]

purgatus shoots projectiles and that's the salvo

[night marten]

well lets hope it doesnt get wrecked. favorite version by far, though I wouldn't be against using trauma if I could make it work

[inner gyro]

for psyker what is the b est stats you can get on a flame staff?

[summer prairie]

or was that about surge

[night marten]

burn and cloud radius, though quell and resist are nice to haves

[burnt python]

all staff left clicks count as a salvo i believe

[orchid nacelle]

but why does rerolling one stat lock the other stat

[burnt python]

its a salvo if you fire multiple shots before your crosshair/recoil fully reset

[orchid nacelle]

vermintide ddoesn't do that

[inner gyro]

is this one ok?

[elfin crystal]

personally i think quell is really important

[orchid nacelle]

the only staff quell speed matters on is voidstrike

[burnt python]

quell matters the least on void of any staff

[orchid nacelle]

for everything else you just overcap and then use ult

[burnt python]

but it is not particularly important for any staff either imo

[night marten]

it's not bad

[orchid nacelle]

quell speed makes you machine gun spam faster

[night marten]

serviceable

[elfin crystal]

i use it for the toughness regen so that might be why. idk i just prefer that one to the other options

[burnt python]

imagine building ur wep around an exploit that will obviously be fixed lmao

[orchid nacelle]

then quell speed becomes a dump stat for every staff

[night marten]

that sounds great, but after I've used my ult and hit 100 again I'm back where I started lol

[burnt python]

if thats what you wanna do feel free but thats kinda bad advice to be givin out

[inner gyro]

what do you all think about this one?

[orchid nacelle]

quell speed is a luxury stat

it's not bad advice it's just not a priority

[night marten]

yea, that's what I meant by "nice to have"

[orchid nacelle]

yee

yeet the orb

[elfin crystal]

i don,t really think it's a bad advice. it's basically the only option that allows you to save a situation where things go wrong. because at that point, you'll have trouble guaranteeing kill or warp charge generation

[burnt python]

not talking bout quell being dump, i agree w/ that, talking bout recommending it on void cus of machine gunning

[orchid nacelle]

well until they fix it, it's a good roll yeah?

[summer prairie]

in practice does whether you can get 13, 14 or 15 burn stacks matter except against maybe bosses

[burnt python]

matters more than you would think

things just die faster

[elfin crystal]

oh yeah, that one is a bad advice. since thye'll probably fix that

[night marten]

I think it definitely matters for ogryns

[burnt python]

max burn stacks makes you significantly more effective vs bigger enemies too

[elfin crystal]

but i think it's still debatable that it is important to an extent

[burnt python]

maulers will start to die in 1 right click, reapers to 1 and some change

quell speed is bad in the context that you can just melee

[next pine]

did they fix the purg tap r at 100% bug?

[burnt python]

its a luxury stat

[night marten]

yes

[next pine]

Aw mann

sadge

[burnt python]

quell speed becomes a lot more valuable if you want to run deflector fs all the time

[night marten]

that was a little too strong, just never ending mega damage in close range

[next pine]

Oh yea for sure

[elfin crystal]

i think it's more than a luxury stat, but you do you

it's not like you don't have other dump stats anyway

[burnt python]

on some staves you don't

[elfin crystal]

most you do

depends on the staff you use i guess

[burnt python]

most yes, and if you prioritize quell thats totally fine, but it's def worth taking a look at a staff with good rolls and bad quell if thats whats available

especially if you like to use non-fs melees

[elfin crystal]

oh defo, they are rare enough as it is, might as well grab them if they're good aside from the quell

[orchid nacelle]

hey

[mild abyss]

good staff or nah?

[burnt python]

very good, roll crit chance for perk

[orchid nacelle]

so if your purgatus staff has a max number of stacks it can inflict

[summer prairie]

throw it in the trash

[orchid nacelle]

does ascendent blaze allow you to overcap

[burnt python]

i believe AB & kinetic overload both ignore stack cap

the cap is specific to the staff

[orchid nacelle]

zoggers

[burnt python]

i'm confident KO overcaps, not 100% on ab

[mild abyss]

what am i rerolling?

[orchid nacelle]

it'd be weird if ab didn't overcap

[burnt python]

probably carapace, neither of those are great but the re st of the staff is good enough its no big deal

[orchid nacelle]

considering it has the word "ascendent" in the title

[night marten]

reroll carapace @mild abyss

don't do shit for damage to it anyway

[mild abyss]

true, what do u think is the best one to get out of it

[night marten]

get crit chance

[orchid nacelle]

just use an antax and obliterate the crusher in 3 hits

[mild abyss]

crit chance, got u

[burnt python]

+5% ranged crit chance

ive been enjoying some purge/axe a lot in damn last couple days

i ditched the soulfire build and just slapped purge on my normal setup

and really like it

[orchid nacelle]

that's my preferred loadout too

[burnt python]

dont enjoy ab

barrage is too valuable to give up

[mild abyss]

?

smth like this

[burnt python]

even morseo w/ purge than other staves

[night marten]

no

[night marten]

crit CHANCE

[burnt python]

you want chance to crit not crit damage

[orchid nacelle]

AB culls all the trash on the map

[mild abyss]

ah got you

[orchid nacelle]

it's great at thinning hordes down

[mild abyss]

just regular crit chance or "ranged crit strike chance"

I'm not really knowledged in what kind of perks there are, reason i came here

[orchid nacelle]

6 warp charges AB is enough to kill like a thousand poxwalkers

[cyan notch]

it only rolls ranged crit chance

[orchid nacelle]

on t5

[cyan notch]

so yes that

[burnt python]

so i think the 6 charge ab thing is a bit of a trap

@near wyvern was running a setup w/ pskinetic's aura, flayer, & ab that i think is much better

[night marten]

that's what I used to run too, but purgatus is already one of, if not the most, effective tools at dealing with poxwalkers in the game

[bright forge]

I have a distinct feeling that might do 1 more damage per tick against carapace

[orchid nacelle]

yes i know it's probably suboptimal but it just feels right

[night marten]

6-stack ab is doubling on a tool you already have for that kind of situation, a good one

[burnt python]

ya purge is so effective on its own ab feels like a "win more" button, while barrage covers some other bases

[orchid nacelle]

i do my skyrim shout and everything in the world becomes on fire

i couldn't ask for more

[night marten]

I still think it can be really useful, certainly viable, but I feel like you get more utility out of KO or flayer (except if we're talking about breakpoints, then maybe there's a case to be made, but 6 charges is kind of niche just for breakpoints)

[cyan notch]

6 stack kinetic barrage is where its at

[orchid nacelle]

you see i'd love to use KB if i didn't hate the current state of brain burst

6 warp charges is enough to kill flamers with a single bb though

[burnt python]

yo i swear this was true at some point, but it is no longer

[orchid nacelle]

i think

[burnt python]

i tested yesterday

and thought iw as trippin

[orchid nacelle]

waaaaaa

[burnt python]

cus im 100% sure it reached that breakpoint at some point

[orchid nacelle]

maybe that was with a coherency buff

[burnt python]

naw tested in grinder

previously

and it worked

[orchid nacelle]

ah

[burnt python]

the only relevant bp's i could find for 6 charges now were bulwarks & crushers

4 to 3 hits

pretty meh

this is what i've been running w/ purge-axe

[night marten]

yea that looks good. flayer and aura are a great combo

[burnt python]

yeah its a nice pair w/ both ab & barrage

[orchid nacelle]

is Mind in Motion a crutch

[burnt python]

flayer for bare minimum warp maintenance

[orchid nacelle]

it feels so good touse

[night marten]

just don't think it's very useful, not even a crutch

[burnt python]

ehh its not a crutch, but kinetic deflection is so good you shouldnt even consider it

[summer prairie]

Antax might be able to 1 shot poxwalkers with push attacks with 6 stacks if you really tried but doesn't really matter with purg

[burnt python]

lot of other ways for antax to reach that bp too

[orchid nacelle]

i basically never used deflection before and i don't really feel like it drastically alters my playstyle

[burnt python]

it gives you a lot of clutch potential, you can p ick ppl up mid horde no problem to keep things from going south

[summer prairie]

Are there? It's 197,34 damage perfectly rolled and you need to get to 300

well with 4 stacks maybe as well

[burnt python]

lots of +power blessings on antax

idk for sure tho

[summer prairie]

with blessings true

[burnt python]

i have limbsplitter & headtaker and im pretty confident i reach that bp when headtaker gets going

[summer prairie]

but if you want brutal momentum that limits a bit

but limbsplitter is enough

[burnt python]

yeah

limbsplitter + brutal is best in sloti i think

i dream of blessing rerolls

[summer prairie]

Dagger is so comfy though with good rolls. The push attack is incredibly fast and one-shots essentially all non-elites/specials. Dreg bruisers need some help

[burnt python]

i have like 5 360+ daggers ive tried to roll up and hit absolute trash blessings on them all

[night marten]

a few people in here really like a dagger loadout, sounds like it's pretty viable

[orchid nacelle]

telepathically unzipping a zip bomb in enemy's brain

[summer prairie]

It's more fun than the axe, has better mobility and is also very safe in horde

[orchid nacelle]

what is the use case for dagger special attack

[summer prairie]

doesn't cleave well but the axe cleave damage falls off quickly too

[burnt python]

establishing dominance

[night marten]

guessing it doesn't handle ragers quite as easily

[burnt python]

w/ a plague ogryn

[summer prairie]

the cleave is decent in high density though

[orchid nacelle]

fair enough

[burnt python]

ragers are prob daggers biggest issue

[summer prairie]

I pair it with surge so doesn't matter much

[night marten]

makes sense to me

[burnt python]

prob doesnt matter much w/ purge either, lmb go brrr

[orchid nacelle]

a good rolled dagger can probably deal comparable damage to an antax

[summer prairie]

and with lacerate you can destroy bulwarks and such

[burnt python]

ive started just quick swap to a purge lmb instead of using melee push a lot of the time, shit is strong

[night marten]

it really is, one lmb to charge for a full rmb

[burnt python]

group of 20 elites barreling in

heh...left click

hol up let me left click again i wasn't ready

my newfound nemesis while purging are the fucking shotgunners

why do they hurt soooo much

and take a while to stagger w/ purge

[night marten]

super dangerous, though they die pretty fast too

[orchid nacelle]

do we have optimal weapon attack combos yet

[burnt python]

not really

not a lot been done on breakpoint stuff yet, gets really complicated in this game

[night marten]

ant axe V block attack?

[burnt python]

current "optimal" setups would probably be: axe/purge, axe/surge, fs/void

or axe/void

axe

[night marten]

otherwise feel like it's situation dependent, too often you different attacks for different situations

[orchid nacelle]

ahhhh

[burnt python]

ahh i totally misunderstood the question lmao

yeah we know optimal combos for most weps

[night marten]

he edited

[orchid nacelle]

yeah my bad lmao

[burnt python]

trolled

[stuck basalt]

330 become 305

[orchid nacelle]

i phrased it poorly

[burnt python]

visual bug, will stay 330

[burnt python]

is there a specific wep you want to know combo for?

[orchid nacelle]

uhhhh is there any specific tech or theory behind the dagger

[simple junco]

Punch, stab, stab, slash

It's mainly used as a mobility tool but stab headshots can deal pretty good damage

Plus it somewhat goes through armor

[summer prairie]

you can just push stab spam if it's a good roll

it has the same damage profile as the heavies, is faster and pushes

doesn't have to be a perfect roll with some perk help, weakspot damage lets you hit the breakpoints fairly easily

[burnt hedge]

psyker is useless

he will require a thousand hours to upgrade his trinkets

[ebon jolt]

Says it's a 380 but adds up to 381 🤔

[summer prairie]

the numbers are rounded

[ebon jolt]

Definitely some rounding stuff going on.

[elfin crystal]

shit's rounded

[burnt hedge]

heresy damnation runs dont fork out enough diamantine

[elfin crystal]

yeah

[devout belfry]

I can't find Fatsharks crafting reveal video anymore. Looks like they took it down.

[burnt hedge]

psyker needs to be allowed 3 blessings for the hardship of being low in hp stamina and shield

[elfin crystal]

just get to 30

[burnt python]

new plasteel record

[devout belfry]

Damn what did you run?

[idle bay]

I noticed that with each day of practising with an Axe i allow less and less blows to get past my block. I'm a lot more responsive of audio-cues of "you about to get hit" now then i was a couple of weeks ago.

[burnt python]

damnation assassination

dog mod

magistrati one

[simple junco]

Assassination any%

[devout belfry]

Oubliette.

I'm running out of steam for this game. Penances are keeping me going lol.

[night marten]

yea I was mostly focused on getting great gear for my preferred build and penances

[raw breach]

I had infinite amounts of steam until the lack of a fully functional crafting system took it all away

[night marten]

only one I care to really shoot for atm is the hazards portrait, completed all the psyker ones

[devout belfry]

Yeah, and I really like psyker but having more than one in a party is gimping it.

[echo parrot]

I'm running on empty myself

[burnt python]

naw multiple psykers can be really good

[night marten]

purge and surge make a good team

surge stuns em, purge kills em

[devout belfry]

I'd rather have a zealot with a flamer than a purge.

[simple junco]

tbh, I think the release of crafting will ruin my motivation to keep going. I only really play to find that lucky drop and finish what I need to.

[devout belfry]

Shooters are the main damnation fail condition lol

[burnt python]

shooters are becoming less and less of an issue as ppl learn the game

thers almost always paths you can take that avoid long sightlines

[devout belfry]

Yeah, but you do need someone to take care of them.

[burnt python]

my damnation pugs are up to like 80% success last 4-5 days

several succcesful runs with 3-4 psykers

3 psykers and an ogryn was the most fun lol

[devout belfry]

Certain maps are a lot easier. Like the scanning missions.

[burnt python]

i have no idea why but i see so many fucking psykers in damn

im rarely the only one

[night marten]

half the time I'm just not patient enough to wait for a damnation group

[devout belfry]

If there were shared resources we'd see more class variety. I'd just fill.

[glacial abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/707341956820369411/980201456323952680/uncaption.gif

[night marten]

would love it if the group was always full quickly, would play it much more

but most of the time I can't be assed

[burnt python]

start damn qp queue > f10 to cancel immeidately > requeue quickplay damn

gets you into a game instantly every time

no idea why it works but it d oes

[echo parrot]

Plague Ogryn that just spawned: "WHHAAAGH"

Squad of 4 Psykers: Turns around, hands out.

Strange mash of Golden Wind and Disposal Unit starts playing.

[wet raven]

anyone know if this is a bug or intended?

[glacial abyss]

true asf

[night marten]

yea I've tried the quick queue cancel and it works sometimes, but others just no luck

[echo parrot]

The fuq?

[night marten]

might be no one queuing.

[wet raven]

sway goes from just between the visor to god where am i aiming based on peril

[burnt python]

thats when the ritual dance of circling a room for 10 mins begins

[echo parrot]

[burnt python]

i was getting full damn games at like 2am central last night

[ebon jolt]

Guns with no stability seem to suffer from a loss of stability or suppression above 20% peril. It’s terrible and should be removed from the game. I like the revolver 😞

[burnt python]

might be based on your region how many are on

[night marten]

im in AZ

[burnt python]

huh would think west coast servers would be busy

[echo parrot]

Wanna grab a drink?

[burnt python]

i'll be in pheonix next month 😛

[night marten]

yea, idk. I don't drink lol but thanks 😄 nice!

currently just chilling on vacation

[echo parrot]

Ill be moving to pheonix around Feb

[night marten]

oh cool! good time for it, moving here in the summer is miserable

phoenix is a great spot in general

[burnt python]

yeah i like to visit az in like nov-march lol

[echo parrot]

Im only going to be taking what can fit in my car with me, and everything else I am donating

[night marten]

balmy 58 degrees out

[echo parrot]

Fresh start

[burnt python]

nice, hope you enjoy it

[night marten]

good deal, sounds nice

already have a job lined up or will start looking after getting set up?

[burnt python]

nice crisp 12 degrees in oklahoma atm

[night marten]

I lived around okc/dell city/moore for around a decade

[burnt python]

nice, i've been in tulsa since 2000

with a few stints elsewhere

[devout belfry]

I need to get out of Florida. Maryland is in my future lol

[jovial frigate]

-8 here, wind chill is -40

[burnt python]

drive up to okc several times a year, usually for thunder games

i stay tf away from moore that place is cursed

[idle bay]

+1С here. Unnaturally warm for this December. It should be at least -5C.

[wanton cove]

Im looking into somewhere cold :3 I'm so over california

[night marten]

man idk, cali is so damn beautiful nearly all the time

[burnt python]

i enjoy cold in small doses

[jovial frigate]

metric is non-imperial, therefore heretical

[devout belfry]

Depends on how cold. I have so much stuff I don't get to wear unless it's cold.

[idle bay]

Empire is metric 🙂

[devout belfry]

Sick ass coat and boots.

[wanton cove]

Yeah I am over living somewhere where its blue all the time. I need something different. Its to boring lol

and trust me you pay for the weather xD

[burnt python]

yeah there's levels of cold where you can be comfy and bundle up, then it just gets to be fucking COLD and you can't breathe right

[night marten]

that's the one downside of phoenix imo, it's nearly ALWAYS fucking sunny, clear blue skies with few clouds

[wanton cove]

yeah. I want some storms. I want some weeks of rain

[devout belfry]

Antarctic research team is always an option.

[burnt python]

move to moore, ok you'll get some exciting weather

(don't actually do that)

[jovial frigate]

come to minnesota

[night marten]

I was there for the may 4th tornado, shit was wild

[jovial frigate]

it's basically a swamp that freezes and the sky is permanently gray

[burnt python]

oh man

[wanton cove]

Nah idk im not f eeling somewhere with tornados

[night marten]

oklahoma's weather is so uniquely all over the fucking place

[wanton cove]

that feels to unpredictable

[burnt python]

its a fun neighborhood event

everyone gets out a folding chair and a coors

[wanton cove]

i dont wanna be in a final destination situation. Rain is one thing. Tornados xD

[burnt python]

and sits in the driveway to see whos gonna die

[devout belfry]

I want somewhere with both infrastructure and nature.

[night marten]

enjoys the neat sky colors

[burnt python]

it is really pretty before shit hits the fan ngl

and after

[idle bay]

Someone told he likes cold? 🙂 I dare you to visit this nice place.

[devout belfry]

Everywhere I'd want to live has bad internet. I have priorities.

[burnt python]

yeah i'd just die

[jovial frigate]

pretty much where i live now with the wind chill

[wanton cove]

Need a new neighbor? Im tryna live out my siberian destiny :3

[idle bay]

People live there 🙂

[night marten]

something I always consider. "yea the mediterranean coast look gorgeous, but can I get really good download/upload?"

[burnt python]

my fiber line is my homes best asset

would be really hard to go back lol

[wanton cove]

Also the ocean is terrifying and im not going into it. I feel like thats a waste if you live somewhere with gorgeous beaches

[idle bay]

Nah.. i'm preferring megapolice climate - "completely messed up and unnatural weather for climate zone" 🙂

[night marten]

fair, I wouldn't mind being near the ocean at all, providing it wasn't hyper hurricane-prone

[wanton cove]

Lol not me just now realizing this isnt general chat. My bad 🤣

[simple junco]

Just don't go anywhere near the gulf of mexico and you're more or less fine lol

[idle bay]

Pretty much every chat here is general chat 🙂

[wanton cove]

Oh good some discords are pretty strict about that

[devout belfry]

Psyker chat is the best behaved.

[night marten]

[wanton cove]

I bet Ogryn chat is pretty cute

[devout belfry]

Ogryns make me happy.

[wanton cove]

They are GOOD boyds

boys*

[idle bay]

I'm usually hang out in meme chat. There is pretty much nothing new to learn about psykers up until next update 🙂

[simple junco]

Eh, we're an isolated community in a public discord

[celest hedge]

I finally hit level 25 on my psyker, I would get warp battery because I run tranquality, but I feel like communion RNG can be hit or miss and get times where I flame staff into a crowd for 20 seconds and not get a charge which resets my stacks, so i'm tempted to get flayer

[simple junco]

Plus we give advice to new psykers when they stop by

[idle bay]

Lore Accurate - everyone avoids psykers 🙂

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-cat-ok-fart-wtf-gif-18597652

psyker chat is for supervillains

[valid lake]

yep always fun to still what gets broken on psyker after an update

[simple junco]

Like a stealth nerf to the wording of the ranged resistance perk

[night marten]

I'm 50/50 on whether that change was just wording to reflect what was happening in the first place

[celest hedge]

eh, will probably just get battery, works better with barrage at level 30 which I want

[night marten]

possible the underlying mechanics didn't get modified at all lol

[simple junco]

Battery works great if you're going all in on AB. Set it and forget it on gunner squads.

[wet raven]

contesting family verse brutes, zealots, and roughnecks

[glacial abyss]

psyker chat is the least behaved

[simple junco]

True. If they allowed enemies to shoot in the meatgrinder this would be such an easy test

[celest hedge]

i'm not planning on going for blaze since I run tranquality and would like to have as much peril resistance as possible for staff use, plus I like using BB to pop basic shooters

[night marten]

why can't we take damage in meatgrinder

[stuck basalt]

just allow solo mode, easy to test

[celest hedge]

even though they havbe med packs in there

[night marten]

really important to be able to test different effects on health/toughness

[wet raven]

if they had poxbursters, any monstrocity, a hoard you can test cleave on, something to hurt youself with...

[celest hedge]

you can't even hurt yourself to test zealot stuff

[simple junco]

Oh nice. Yeah, in that case any works in the 25 slot, especially with KB.

25 is more or less the "what can I do to make myself more comfortable" milestone.

[night marten]

luxury milestone. 30 is the powerful version

[celest hedge]

with 4 stacks of tranquil, I can do about 3 bursts before needing to vent and I think 2 more stacks would help that, plus it'd help alot for the flamestaff

[devout belfry]

My surge staff does feel like it's doing less dmg.

[wet raven]

tranquil is bugged rn, dont use it

[simple junco]

Isn't there an internal cooldown for tranquility?

[night marten]

haven't heard about that, was it discussed somewhere?

[simple junco]

Or is it a bugged CDR

[wet raven]

it reduces peril build up yes... but also your quell speed, it actually reduces the amount your f refunds which is... weird

[simple junco]

All I know is that when I tested it out, the CDR worked once and couldn't get it to proc until the next full CD

[celest hedge]

didn't they fix that bug?

[night marten]

hm I thought that was fixed

is this really recent?

[celest hedge]

which I noticed the difference

[alpine portal]

THATS WHY!!!!! though they changed quell speed

[celest hedge]

either way, quelling with a staff is so fast

[wet raven]

im in testing chambers, one moment

[brave vale]

People comparing grenades to BB is fucking stupid

[celest hedge]

yeah, it was fixed in last week's patch

[brave vale]

The only reason why they do it is because you press the G key to toggle it

[dense cloud]

man the need to fix kick sytem just got kicked bay aholes ad end of match almost cos i snacked medicay

[brave vale]

And they use this basis of it being on the G key to justify why BB sucks

[stuck basalt]

bb is replacing grenade isn't wrong though

unless they give psyker grenade

[brave vale]

It is

wrong

[summer wind]

It replaces a grenade, that is just a fact

[wet raven]

wait seems to be fixed

[brave vale]

It's our signature ability more so than our F

[cobalt belfry]

Change button to different if G isn’t your thing

[summer wind]

Everyone else has one

Not that it's the same role

[celest hedge]

BB I feel is fine, even doing heresy for the first time as psyker, I feel the difference in needing 2 bursts to kill some stuff, but it’s still fine

[brave vale]

Our entire kit is revolved around BB and warp charges. Their class mechanic doesn't revolve around their grenade.

[stuck basalt]

grenade/stun grenade/box is signature too

[brave vale]

Lol.

Okay.

[wet raven]

clearly box o hurt is best nade, mmhm, yeah

[cobalt belfry]

For big enemies it is

[brave vale]

Our entire kit is revolved around BB and warp charges. Their class mechanic doesn't revolve around their grenade.

If u dont see the difference idk what to tell you

[wet raven]

imagine managing warp charges :V

[stuck basalt]

it does, vet get grenade regen and bleed.

[brave vale]

Comparing their roles simply based on the G key and their grenade is fucking so stupid

That's two optional abilities

our key ability is warp chargers

You're delusional for even making this argument

[stuck basalt]

only zealot don't get grenade feat

[celest hedge]

I still think being able to get charges from any kills should be base kit

[brave vale]

Warp charges are a core mechanic for us

[celest hedge]

Keep communion able to trigger it on teammate kills, that would still be a good perk

[wet raven]

i am determined to see what works with zealots grenades now

[brave vale]

Grenades for zealots arent

[jovial frigate]

alright

[brave vale]

its tied directly to warp charges

[jovial frigate]

finally rolling my fire staff wish me luck

oh

thats not bad

[stuck basalt]

roll hip and run

[night marten]

real good

[celest hedge]

Niiiiiice

That looks like a good role for warp nexus too

I only ever see it at 1%

[devout belfry]

Daaamn

[jovial frigate]

yeah middle of the road but once re-bless comes out

this is a 525 staff

[celest hedge]

Everything is pretty even but that’s still pretty good

I don’t really know how crits work with the flame staff but you had a great roll with perks too

[brave vale]

legit hate psyker mains as a psyker main

[jovial frigate]

crits on flamer give u 2 stacks of fire dot

[wet raven]

for?

[brave vale]

Some of these takes are so trash no wonder why psyker hasnt received any changes

[celest hedge]

I mean if crits are calculated whenever you cast it or on hit

[jovial frigate]

what takes are u talking about

[brave vale]

that grenade comparison

[jovial frigate]

i missed it

[brave vale]

that BB should be balanced as a grenade would be across the only classes

scroll up

[jovial frigate]

i dont wanna

will it hurt me to scroll up

[brave vale]

probably not

[wet raven]

yeah, i made a post about it on steam, and all the responses were TERRIBLE... one even was happy with the bug that stops you from swapping weapon when hitting max peril... happy

expect to be treated like an actual psy siblings

[night marten]

purg secondary is a steady stream of hits (tick rate is determined by damage), each of which can crit and causing 2 stacks 1 extra stack of soulblaze to be applied

[valid lake]

i diwanted to main psyker gave up when you got staffs at like lvl 20 then proceded to lvl everything else to 30 to see what they are like and came back to finsh lvling

[brave vale]

they're on such high levels of copium about the class

[celest hedge]

Ah, so each hit in the spray then, that’s probably the best way it could work

[brave vale]

"its great! Its fine where it's at! BB shoudlnt be buffed because its just a grenade despite it being connected to warp charges (aka the core mechanic of our class)!"

Insane amounts of copium

[wet raven]

im just playing sharpshooter and making my other psy main friend just about ready to quit the game, the fact i can kill 2 crushers in faster than 2 seconds saddens him and me greatly

[valid lake]

the copium is insane

[wet raven]

stealing his job as elite slayer

[brave vale]

playing sharpshooter opened my eyes to exactly how imbalanced everything is

[digital narwhal]

You ever just get-

[valid lake]

psyker is not the eilte slayer no matter what the game tells you

[wet raven]

scary

[celest hedge]

I like how psykers have functionally infinite ammo and auto aim but sharpshooters have enough ammo for that to not be a problem

[valid lake]

playing vet ruined every other class with the way its implemented

[wet raven]

its the premiere cc class... with the least hp of all the other classes for whatever reason

[brave vale]

Power sword legit makes it superior in melee to most other things

and their ranged is miles ahead anything anyone else has to offer

[celest hedge]

I do like psyker’s toughness regen talents a lot more than the it gets, more than veteran at least

[brave vale]

pls ffs give us changes

we need to be saved

[digital narwhal]

Psyker should be a higher Toughness, lower Health class, like Veteran.
Not low everything.

[wet raven]

change the 2 second bb to just be a scaling hp build up that pops on current hp

[slate star]

I've tried to pair dagger+void and really liked it. Any advices for dagger perks and blessings? I mostly use it for movetech and elits in CC

[valid lake]

i like them but with how fragile we are it doesn't make a huge difference

[brave vale]

im open to anything at this point. they dropped a patch but we didnt see any changes and i think besides the bugs we're the class that needs the most help

[wet raven]

you can go with bleed for it but rn you have to get dumb lucky atm, or just stack crit...

anything weakspot related is good

[celest hedge]

Make BB scale more on heresy and damnation and have non BB kills have a chance to give a warp charge and I think psyker would be in a fine place

[wet raven]

they at least made the SS stop giving people seizures... theres that

[digital narwhal]

Psykers need the most help, yeah; Ogryns after that, and then Zealots, and then the favourite child Veteran is at last place.

[night marten]

probably won't see anything significant until after new years, we're 2 days from christmas

[celest hedge]

I do think that two of the level 30 feats removing all your charges on ult use kind of has anti synergy with the rest of the tree, but I think the first two are the big things

[wet raven]

zealots just need fixes/tuning, lotta bugs on their perks still

[brave vale]

me playing psyker

[wet raven]

marty doesnt stack correctly on hp and theres a bug that literally triggers your passive despite not taking damage, kinda borked

[slate star]

so, i need to try to roll 2 of this perks, right?
+2-8% Melee Critical Hit Chance
+4-12% Melee Weak Spot Damage
2-5% Increased Crit Chance

[wet raven]

gotta quell that peril my boi

[night marten]

I have lots of fun with a purge/deflector FS setup, 121122

[wet raven]

until they add the option to insert blessings yes

[night marten]

we're clearly not the most OP thing in the game, but burninating mobs feels good

[wet raven]

zealot would like a word with you ;v

[night marten]

sure, but I consider never having to worry about ammo a huge luxury. I hate worrying about ammo

[timber fable]

Hey guys, is the Voidstrike staff bugged? It wasn't doing the right amount of damage to the maniac rager in the Psykanium

[night marten]

I don't like having to scrounge around the map to play my class. I just want to blow shit up

[burnt python]

best part of purge vs flamer is having bb to deal with backline still

flamer itself is stronger than purge but also not 100% uptime

[celest hedge]

I hate reloading but venting overheat feels more fine

[remote tusk]

I often get paired up with flamer zealots. Maybe you guys have a different experience?

[slate star]

and for blessings something like:
Executor + Shred for weak spot and crit
or
Mercy Killer + Flesh Tearer \ Lacerate for bleeding

[wet raven]

yeah

[night marten]

being paired with a flamer zealot feels great, there's virtually no gap in your team's ability to melt everything nearby

[wet raven]

looking correct

[slate star]

nice, ty for advice!

[wet raven]

bleeds better on the zealot generally speaking

[remote tusk]

Haha fair enough. I might be overthinking it a bit. Overkill is nothing if not fun

Looking for more wisdom, siblings. What blessings and feats do you aim for on the duelling sword?

[summer prairie]

probably rampage and shred

[digital narwhal]

Ones that let me kill betterer

[burnt python]

rampage, shred, rending one

[shadow wigeon]

Purg staff: crits apply more stack of soul blaze?

[digital narwhal]

I believe so

[burnt python]

yes 2x dot application on crit

[idle bay]

In case Staff will get nerfed or broken - should i grab this one? I mean perk + Blessing already looks good and base stats are not bad

[raw swift]

what should i use

[elfin crystal]

what staff you using?

[alpine portal]

personally I like the slower one.

[charred marten]

for 17k monopoly money, why not

[raw swift]

void strike

[idle bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735819155608961044/1055925799351500820/IMG_20221223_220949.jpg
Who can name the source of this goodies ? 🙂 Let's see how nerdy todays psykers are!

[elfin crystal]

i'd go first technically, but 3rd is a good option if you like to bb. second is mostly used for purga

[proud mantle]

is movement all that important of a stat on fs

[raw swift]

so is this a good build or should ic hange anything

i picked 1 for 30

[brazen magnet]

what staff and melee weapon

are you playing

[elfin crystal]

he's playing void

[proud mantle]

i like using middle with void as well cause it helps clear trash and you can focus on shooting elites or bb them

if ur having a lot of trouble with elites the 3rd option is better imo

[brazen magnet]

3 1 2 1 3 1

[raw swift]

what about anythin else

[brazen magnet]

is what I run

with my void

[raw swift]

ok

[brazen magnet]

the 2 option on the level 5 feats is very bad imo

[elfin crystal]

heard it was good with pruga

[brazen magnet]

level 15 feats option 1 and 2 are fine, I like 2 because I run damnation and thers a million elites

[elfin crystal]

since you're also getting warp charges like pop corn

[summer prairie]

it's peril based now

[elfin crystal]

oh

wack

[brazen magnet]

block to peril on level 20 is just very very good, no competition on that row imo

[wet raven]

grab it anyway

that thing is fun af

[brazen magnet]

level 25 feats are all trash, pick w/e you want, i like the bb one because sometimes the stars align and I one shot a mauler with a forcesword special when that procs

[elfin crystal]

wait, am i missing something. it's still warp charges for me?

[proud mantle]

the bb one helps with getting warp charges at least

[wet raven]

baseline the one on the bottom is all around good in almost all scenarios

[summer prairie]

oh I was thinking 4-2

[idle bay]

I know - i have one on my Vet 🙂

[meager plinth]

6 charges let's you kill everything bellow elites if you have ascending blaze

[summer prairie]

the shield

[elfin crystal]

bb one also generates charge. so that's neat. not bad for consistency

[brazen magnet]

level 30 I like the first just to clear more peril, 2nd is only good with purgatus, 3rd is always fine as well

absolutely havok

that + the first option on 30 gives alot of peril clearing

[elfin crystal]

mhm

it's mostly what i use

[brazen magnet]

while you are blasting away with void, especially if you have the GREAT blessing of 4% peril reduc on weak spot hits

with those 2 combined you can permanently keep blasting charges into hordes

[meager plinth]

The one which applies 4 soulblaze stacks let's you pick elites very effectively using purgatus since it can go beyond the 15 stacks staves have

[brazen magnet]

every elite dies due to focussed dmg, the dots are so useless imo not enough dmg

and on diff 1-4 there are not enough elites

[proud mantle]

hmm which one is better overall

can still work with perks so

[summer prairie]

left

[jovial frigate]

109 + maniac dam is enough to one shot dreg ragers on damn

[brazen magnet]

right

[elfin crystal]

left ye

[raw swift]

hey i have a question

how do you get such good things

[proud mantle]

ive seen others get better

[brazen magnet]

but both are nice

[raw swift]

do you conescrate or shop

[proud mantle]

😂

[elfin crystal]

rng be rng

[proud mantle]

the left i got as a blue and just upgraded

[brazen magnet]

In the end Anton, you just gotta get lucky

nothing more to it

[proud mantle]

already had deflector so worth a shot

[raw swift]

yep

[proud mantle]

right was also a blue

[brazen magnet]

I have an almost perfect sword, all it lacks is deflector so waiting for blessing reroll

[proud mantle]

mostly lucky

i take this luck in exchange for getting absolutely nothing in vt2

[elfin crystal]

fingers crossed for deflector

[raw swift]

send a picture

[meager plinth]

Has anyone gotten a good FS with blazing spirit?

[brazen magnet]

80s in the 3 dmg stats, I love the slaughterer and the dmg vs carapace and unyielding 2 hits every ogryn and mauler with 1 or 2 headshots

on a special hit

[proud mantle]

no but i have a voidstrike with it 😂

[brazen magnet]

blazing is only semi useful vs monsters, for the rest you want high weak spot hits vs maulers and ogryns

2 hit the fuckers

or with a BB proc 1 shot maulers

[meager plinth]

Hey at least you don’t have a trauma staff with it, it doesn’t even work with the explosion, just the normal m1

[brazen magnet]

=[

[wet raven]

trauma staff is as its name suggests, a staff that inflicts trauma... on you

[brazen magnet]

that the stagger range and dmg range isnt identical is such a joke

and the stagger breakpoints arent well calibrated on damnation at all, and the peril cost is way too high

if they match areas, reduce peril by half on 2ndary, and increase stagger on 2ndary max charge and minimal charge by 20% its very very very good

got a 505 trauma staff from the shop with 380 stats for the day they buff them haha

[meager plinth]

Just look at this

That 1 soulblaze proc

[proud mantle]

am i doing something wrong or do you mean with fs special

[jovial frigate]

fs special

all u do is just do a fs special on their head and they should die

[proud mantle]

ok was about to say

no way a heavy is one shotting

[jovial frigate]

nah lmao

they got like 1400? hp

somewhere close to t here

[brazen magnet]

I havent found anything to replace this with yet, the blessing is just too good and the dmg charge and blast radius stats too

[jovial frigate]

wat

[proud mantle]

the armor one dies

[night marten]

think it's 1350 #psyker-class message

[jovial frigate]

how is it hitting so low

let me check now

[proud mantle]

could be needing the peril talent?

lemme check on higher peril

[jovial frigate]

fug

[proud mantle]

nvm nope

[jovial frigate]

forgot to set meat grinder to damn

b4 i went in, stuck in load screens

[proud mantle]

yeah you need the peril talent lv 10 to one shot

at least for me

tbf my charms are shit

well game crashed anyway lel

[jovial frigate]

oh you know waht you might need maniac + weakspot

[night marten]

this will do it, yup

same perks lol

[jovial frigate]

ah executor would def d othat

the special is amulti hit too

so executor is fat

ah u know what i should make this sword orange then

[proud mantle]

that makes me wonder if the rending on this makes it just as viable

[jovial frigate]

1 in a million chance i get executor

[proud mantle]

but i dont think fs special counts as rending

[night marten]

gives a 4% damage boost to the final hit on the first *special swing of a weakspot, 8% (or 12?) if you do it twice in a row

[jovial frigate]

alright someone translate fatshark for me

is the 15% cdr feat meaning that anyone killing an elite in coherency grants you 15% cooldown reduc

[proud mantle]

thats what it should be

[jovial frigate]

or you have to kill it + have someone in coherency

[proud mantle]

now in actuality who knows

[digital pagoda]

Anyone in coherency killing an elite gives 15% cdr to anyone in coherency

[jovial frigate]

k, might try it on my fire boi staff a few games, i think the soulblaze perk gives enough charges by itself but we will c

[proud mantle]

in my experience i doubt i get warp charges off soulblaze cause someone else will inevitably kill them first resulting in no actual soulblaze kills

[long wharf]

Yeah, other players killing enemies you've soulblazed doesn't proc AB for you

it should, but it doesn't

[mild tartan]

6 stack warp blaze should instantly kill basic enemies which is where most of the charge back would come no

[night marten]

not instant, takes like 5-6 seconds or something I forget

[meager plinth]

not instant but pretty fast

[night marten]

but if you follow up with purgatus they die within a couple seconds

due to the stack buildup

[long wharf]

Yeah, but the problem is 5~6 seconds is too long on heresy+

[night marten]

I don't run it. honestly think the best use case for 6-stack AB is to 1-shot gunner packs

shouldn't waste it on hordes really

[meager plinth]

considering you can kill an entire room by pressing 1 button, its good

[night marten]

gives an otherwise limited weapon loadout a solid way to wipe out ranged

[night marten]

only kills trash mobs (which isn't nothing, but not really significant) and gunner packs (much more important). I don't think it kills anything but the squishiest specials (if that), and certainly no elites... by itself anyway

[meager plinth]

its usually trash and gunner packs that end up causing a team to lose

[devout belfry]

I'll take the utility of quicker brain bursts after an ult.

[night marten]

trash no, gunner packs possibly. that's my take anyway

[meager plinth]

try dodging a mutie but 15 groaners just went in the way

block dodge, get grabbed

[night marten]

I don't have too difficult a time with it if I'm not in a physically confined area. between FS push or purgatus stagger, the trash isn't a huge limiting mobility factor, at least for a single mutie dodge

[meager plinth]

say that to Mutie #2 and Mutie #3

[vivid schooner]

I think both are valid, it's just what your team is doing that changes the perspective, I suppose.

if whoever is dealing with the trash is well-protected by his gunner/elite-killer, it almost feels like the horde itself is just a meme.
but if the rest of them are too busy thumb-sucking to kill the muties and such, that horde fighter is about to watch his three teammates and himself get stomped

[night marten]

does saying that significantly change anything?

[meager plinth]

no but you should say hi to them regardless

[indigo valley]

No need to be rude 👋

[ornate hamlet]

which one is less important, quell speed or warp resistance?

[idle bay]

Played on Heresy with random players. Started as iconic team one of each class. Then Vet and Shouty dropped out and were replaced by 2 psykers. So it was Shield Ogryn who actually knew how to use it properly, and Surge + Purge + Void Pskers. By the Emperor that was a hell of a fun! 🙂

[sacred lodge]

oh hey, I think I'm starting to get better at approaching shooters to draw them into melee for my team! think that deserves a drink

[night marten]

I think most of the time quell speed, but if you're running FS it's certainly nice to have as the staff quell speed will likely be your fastest form of it

[sacred lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/three-stooges-curly-water-drinking-gif-23546374

[ornate hamlet]

Right, I usually play dueling sword! Do we know what's the quell speed on regular weapons?

[night marten]

in that case quell speed is definitely less important. passive quell on non-force weapons is nearly as fast as active quell with an FS

it also makes quietitude really strong, because you will be quelling quickly any time you're using melee and getting that turned into toughness

[short vessel]

Took forever, but I finally have drip

[ornate hamlet]

lets play the "which is better" game

[night marten]

left, marginally, since the whole point is horde clear imo

but for that I think ant axe V might be a better option. experiment with both

[ornate hamlet]

it's 59 damage + 20% to unarmored (so around 67 ish damage on hoard mobs), while the legendary is 55 damage on hoard mobs but has significant extra crit chance when hitting multi targets with cleave i think?

[barren token]

Hey guys so I'm trying for the pick n mix, bang, and monstrnum pennances (cause drip) would anyone be willing to help? I'll gladly return the favors

[ornate hamlet]

i'm gonna use the legendary for a bit and see if it feels weaker
i don't use melee often

[vestal finch]

The more I play of this game the further my belief that psyker is a carry class gets reinforced

[elfin crystal]

isn't finesse pretty important tho? like he's gonna attack at a turtle speed

[ornate hamlet]

finesse is crit damage when you crit or headshot

[vestal finch]

It's attack speed

It even says it in the stats...

[elfin crystal]

it's attack speed yeah

[ornate hamlet]

shrug nevermind

[vestal finch]

You guys are going off leaks from the beta

[ornate hamlet]

ah, so it's both attack speed and crit damage

[vestal finch]

Or forgetting the important part, I guess

Anyway, finesse doesn't make that big of a difference

For the devil's claw

[primal finch]

My staff doing something kinda funky i think its the dreams fault https://i.imgur.com/IIY23tA.png

[elfin crystal]

i have a couple of devil's claw. i think it does a bit, but tbh it might vary from person to person

[hardy lily]

my god psyker is so much easier to use in pubs than ogryn

[elfin crystal]

also might vary with mk

yeah psyker ain't that hard

also it can be a good team crutch when people are dummy babies

[vestal finch]

_ _

[elfin crystal]

it pretty much is yeah

[vestal finch]

Saaad

Picked the best class right off the bat

When I'm playing other classes I always miss being able to do stupid shit like reviving while being attacked by a boss

[elfin crystal]

vet is probably still the best class since it's so overtuned, but psyker ain't far once you have what you need

[vestal finch]

Vet can't carry

[glacial abyss]

psyker is the carry class

[vestal finch]

Vet can wipe elites but it can't carry

[glacial abyss]

anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know psyker power

psyker is the true carry class. does not need ammo and can rely on itself

[elfin crystal]

fair enough

[covert cosmos]

zealot and psyker best carry

[long glacier]

Is purgatus worth running now that surge staffs can't crit?

[night marten]

purgatus has been worth running for a while

[eternal steppe]

These penances need a rework, I have to go completely out of my way with other people to complete half of these in any timely manner

[night marten]

if it's been said once, it's been said a hundred times lol

[eternal steppe]

But it needs to be said once more and a little bit louder for those at fatshark who deem it immeasurably complex

[safe ridge]

does the purgatus staff apply soulblaze?

[night marten]

not sure FS devs read these channels. maybe

[night marten]

yes

[safe ridge]

oh, so that's how you make the soulblaze build work xD ty

[wanton sandal]

wym? it's always been worthwhile

all the staves (not you trauma) are worthwhile

[safe ridge]

just recently retried trauma, it's not bad

the range and aiming is janky, but it staggers quite well for low peril

[flint turtle]

So judging from a recent data mine, we might be getting a two handed force sword

Which, swag

[jovial frigate]

i can already see it, new class

melee psyker with warp speed ult, +% move speed and attack speed

force greatsword

and then zealots will no longer be the speediest bois

[meager plinth]

until zealots gets a speed focus class

[leaden dune]

LET'SSS GOOOOOOO

still not level 30 so unfortunate buuut

def worth keeping for the future

[meager eagle]

holy shit this seems really damn good

[night marten]

transfer peril is the best blessing for void

[meager eagle]

• the weak spot damage already there

[static epoch]

I never used transfer peril and never felt like I should have been, whatever that's worth 😄

[leaden dune]

join a game in progress

1 person down, daemonhost healthbar

I leave right away lol

they can have fun with that mess

[static epoch]

If you join on demonhost aggro sometime she's invisible

You can see the surrounding effect but the actual model and your ability to damage her is gone

[alpine portal]

ignore me

[meager plinth]

has anyone been mad enough to make a trauma staff build?

[night marten]

there have been sightings of trauma staffs in damnation runs from a few people, they make it work lol

[meager plinth]

for heresy and up

[night marten]

purple actually ran with two in a single mission and still beat it

[meager plinth]

I want to know what they are having

[digital narwhal]

So, does Block Efficiency actually increase the Peril Gain from Kinetic Deflection?

I heard that was a bug currently.

[ebon jolt]

Hmm... Do I roll gunner damage or health?

[night marten]

would personally roll revive speed

[glacial abyss]

revive speed

your teammates should be able to handle themselves

you gotta use your incomparable mind

dont let the goons revive u

https://tenor.com/view/cj-sekiro-gif-23480678

[reef imp]

For anyone who's used both extensively: can a good purg clear hordes as fast as void deletes them? I know the regular attack on purg has the useful stagger, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why purg is so popular. The playstyle is kinda fun, but my zealot friend says it's hard as shit to see when I'm blasting a horde that he's in, haha.

[night marten]

yes, better at close range than void, obviously no at longer ranges

handles enemies in a wider spread while staggering

[reef imp]

Ok, that makes sense. Better at close range with some utility, but void has range advantage.

[night marten]

it's popular because it's got great aoe, great damage, and blue fire is wicked cool

synergy with feats

[reef imp]

Oh right!

[digital narwhal]

We need more unique primary fires for staffs

[reef imp]

The fire is fun as dicks to shoot, that's true, haha

[wanton sandal]

give the voidstrike homing :)

[reef imp]

You should be able to change the style/color of flames you shoot. 😮

[reef imp]

So prioritize damage and burn mostly, with dumps split between quell speed and resistance I'd guess?

[wanton sandal]

quell speed is important oon all staves i'd argue

not a dump stat

[night marten]

no, Burn is your damage (mostly), cloud is also really important

[reef imp]

Ahh ok. So the shot itself doesn't do a ton?

[night marten]

quell and warp res are nice to haves, less essential than the first two. damage is the dump stat (thouogh I wouldn't go with anything below 40%)

[reef imp]

Ahh ok, gotcha. Thanks!

[night marten]

if you're running FS with it, get good quell too. it will be your best quell option

[reef imp]

I meant dump kind of...lightly I guess, haha. I hate dumping mobility a lot of times but...whaddya gonna dooooo?

Word. Yeah I already use basically anything to quell over my FS, haha.

[wet gust]

Is this staff worth buying? I mean, the overall stats are low as fuck

[wanton sandal]

nah

warp resistance is pretty bad

[wet gust]

Which stat is the dump one?

[night marten]

charge rate

[wanton sandal]

honestly crit bc surges dont crit

[night marten]

that's just temporary right?

probably a bug (I think...)

[wanton sandal]

i think their lmb crits, but not the lightning attack

[wet gust]

F

Melee

[burnt python]

my shop has been exceptionally trash last couple days

no bases above 330 rn

[wet gust]

Mine too

And even worse with Melk's shop on my main character

[night marten]

I have. Autoguns.

[wet gust]

All weapons under 340

[regal basin]

The surge lightning absolutely crits, was testing in the psycanium earlier today

[burnt python]

i havent bought a single thing from melk on my psyker yet lol

consistently useless stuff

[clear heath]

I haven't bought anything from melk's shop in weeks

[burnt python]

ive spent prob 5k coins gamblin

got a couple okay bases that way

[wet gust]

Results?

[wanton sandal]

neat. still dump stat

[burnt python]

like maybe 2-3 weps i kept over 360

[clear heath]

I think last time i bought something from melk was open beta

[wet gust]

You mean the current one?

[clear heath]

[night marten]

[wet gust]

Amazing Melk items

My Zealot is 30 since a lot

and I get mostly those garbage base stats

Always under 340

[burnt python]

hit the d ream on my zealot

[rapid cliff]

I got a force sword with deflection but the stats are stinky

56 light attack 93 heavy attack, 53% damage 77% mobility, 75% warp resistance 69% finess and 58% first target

[night marten]

not amazing, but useable if you really want to run deflector FS

[rapid cliff]

I'm gonna wait, especially since my axe can paste anything that ever existed

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-what-excuse-me-shocked-surprised-gif-13017192

sleep

[alpine portal]

got a gold on like that.... on my psyker....
from emoprer drop

[vivid schooner]

Hmm. What perks do I want on a purgatus.

Do + dmg perks even work on the soulblaze part?

Does anyone know

[wanton sandal]

uhhh maybe :)

i think it's factored in but the damage isn't even that great to begin with, its mostly dot

[vivid schooner]

Yes, I was talking about the soulblaze dot, not the actual staff dmg

given that's most of where the output is

hmm

[nocturne palm]

is soulblaze still currently viable with the purge staff?

[vivid schooner]

Yes, though as usual, keep in mind that carapace bois and I think, maniacs, it was, are still fairly hard to burn down

and pox dogs, it seems. im doing some re-tests now and it's different than I recall

[nocturne palm]

ok cool

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/B16wXYGZvDIA so close to greatness

[vivid schooner]

the chunko. almost.

I really don't enjoy using caxe, but it is funny.

[supple skiff]

I prefer the FS but the axe just feels so much better for horde clear

[vivid schooner]

I can't get used to the slow feeling of that first swing

thwonk.

[leaden pier]

what's the best dueling sord for hoards?

[ebon jolt]

Pretty decent for an emperors gift:

[proud mantle]

this worth getting

[vivid schooner]

from what I recall, the way people use this axe is light>push as a loop, so it's one of the few that makes great use of limbsplitter

[orchid nest]

you can do that, or just spam push attacks which doesn't count as a chain

[vivid schooner]

That's what I just said, wasn't it?

oh, wait

no, you meant actual push attacks

[orchid nest]

Yeah people generally just spam push attacks on it

It has a great cleave push attack that hits an extra target

[clear heath]

It costs stamina but we don't use stamina for blocking anyways so it's spammable and safe

peril block abuse

[orchid nest]

Yep

[vivid schooner]

Can it make use of brutal momentum?

or is the cleave already enough

[orchid nest]

Yes, that is the ideal blessing

that and limbsplitter together

[vivid schooner]

I see. so limbsplitter/decap with brutal momentum

interesting way to have some crowd control if you need it.

[orchid nest]

Not decap because it won't stack. Not for the psyker way of using it at least

wait nm, I was thinking of decimator

[vivid schooner]

getting decap stacks and then hitting the elite in the crowd with it seems like it might work

no idea how long decap actually lasts, though.

[orchid nest]

Yeah that will work. It's an incredibly safe way to play. So much so that you have to be careful that you don't fall into bad habits.

[vivid schooner]

if I was running surge or void, I can see t hat being a neat option

[orchid nest]

Yeah it works well to cover the weaknesses of surge especially

[vivid schooner]

I like it, ill try it again and hope the axe doesn't give me another headache

something about the way it swings so slowly compared to tacaxes makes my head hurt

it's not unresponsive, but my input don't feel right. similar to when I desync in coop mh

[orchid nest]

The push attack animation has a decent rhythm to it. Feels more immediate than the first light for sure with the push also being there

[vivid schooner]

Anyway, not like I'll ever get anything with shop rng.

[orchid nest]

antax is def very useable with decent base rolls even with random blessings

you want its cleave stat above 50% for the extra target it adds but other than that you can have it as a dump stat

[vivid schooner]

Sorry for jumping over this, I've no idea what you run dagger on psykers for.

realistically the only real benefit that comes to mind is that it's got great movement, but that stat is pretty low for that one

but I also don't use knife unless I'm rushing or playing the one specific bleed zealot, so pay me no mind if you know any other uses that make more sense.

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/GyZzXw_nVIro i rock this when im not in the mood for my FS

[vivid schooner]

fancy

I never get anything good :c

[leaden dune]

so whats the way to go

[vivid schooner]

But I guess I'm also not afking in front of the shop all day

[leaden dune]

flamer staff or voidstrike

assuming you run the build with flamet

[vivid schooner]

assuming you run the build with flamer?

Do you mean, you have a zealot with a flamer already in the group?

[leaden dune]

warp battery, the level 30 feat that applies soulblaze

etc

you build around the flamer staff

[vivid schooner]

Right. Well, you'd want to build around your weapon of choice eitherway.

[drowsy fog]

I had a dream about darktide. Help me

[leaden dune]

yes but its less specific for voidstrike I imagine

[vivid schooner]

but, both are viable options.
Flamer is better close-mid dps and horde control. void is more pack killer and pseudo-horde.

It's not that specific for purgatus, either.

ascendant blaze as a given, the others can vary.

If you prefer just consistent stacks, flayer is still an option. battery is great for the 6 stacks, but there's reasonable arguments for overload, too.

it's a sizeable range. about 8m. or what I think is 8m. there's a gif somewhere but usually if an elite is in the room with you, it should reach.

and because anything that dies with soulblaze should count to ascendant blaze, you build up warp charges fairly quickly

I'm a voidstrike user, normally. I do think purgatus is fine, though. My issue is that I play this game with gamma tuned to the max and when I'm casting the fire, I can't see in front of me at all.

I tend to find purgatus also conflicts in its roles in a group with the fairly common flamer zealots running around.

but who cares, buuuurn.

man, im rambley. I need sleep

[leaden dune]

what level 30 feat do you go for on voidstrike? the cooldown reduction one?

or the faster mind blast

would assume the former cause

feel like you wanna avoid mind blasting as much as possible

especially on higher difficulties

[ornate hamlet]

was almost good

[vivid schooner]

all three work, depending on what you prefer.

ascendant blaze still functions even without a purgatus.

Not as well, of course.

[keen pawn]

force sword, opinions? deflector and?

[night marten]

shred is good

[vivid schooner]

Oh right, you asked which I use for void. normally bb booster. normally.

[night marten]

executor, exorcist, blazing spirit, all good

[clear heath]

i would want deflector and slaughterer

[night marten]

yea slaughterer

[clear heath]

blazing spirit is meh on force sword imo

[night marten]

if you crit with the special, it can be good

[clear heath]

you barely crit and it doesn't do a lot anyways

[night marten]

but that's a big if