psyker-class

[simple junco]

Purg can def crit, it even adds an extra stack of Soulblaze.

[kindred sphinx]

yep, force is poop anyway tbh

[onyx sentinel]

I’m struggling to see a scenario where you want to constantly full charge Voidstrike during hordes despite what some people say here

[whole thunder]

wouldnt you want to fully charge so it goes through more enemies?

[onyx sentinel]

Unless you’re in a corridor where everything lines up, you simply don’t hit enough of the horde groups. Half-charge can still go through 5+ dreg trashes and still hit their headshot breakpoints. Everything else dies on your second ball which you have ample time due to the stagger.

[tawdry shell]

is there a blessing tier list

[onyx sentinel]

This is probably why the guy a week ago said voidstrike has shit clear on damnation - well no shit if you spend most of your time full-charging only to hit 4 dregs/hit because your team already cleared the wave, because full-charging gets regurgitated in this channel

[digital narwhal]

What would you say are the best perks for the Purgatus Staff?

[jovial frigate]

do you really need to be told that 8% reload speed isnt that good

[tawdry shell]

The stats are wonky and some things that I think were good

were said to be shit here

so a reference would be nice

[digital narwhal]

Full charge if you wanna pop bulkier enemies in one headshot, if not then just mid charge to clear hordes

[jovial frigate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[fresh reef]

really wish our veteran would've watched my back. really couldve helped here lmfao

[timber shale]

wish the damage and warp resist were swapped

[digital narwhal]

Honestly like... people are behind me and I assume they'll watch my back, but then they

don't.

[fresh reef]

literally there was nothing around him and I get killed by two trash mobs

of course his name was CaptainCOD

[timber shale]

vets are always too busy shooting the one you're about to brainburst, to watch your back

[jovial frigate]

ngl i turned off music so i can hear the audio queue of when im going to get hit in my ass cheeks

[fresh reef]

welp, back to trauma staff I go

it'll watch my back better than my randoms can, apparently

[jovial frigate]

how many swords u got

[fresh reef]

man if ever there was a definition of "mid"

[jovial frigate]

ah yes thanks game just what i need

[drowsy fog]

dat 380 tho

[jovial frigate]

i think thats 380 #10 for me

[alpine portal]

we need a shaired stash

[drowsy fog]

damn lucky you I have one (1) 380

[jovial frigate]

no im not

[jovial frigate]

all those deflectors waiting to be inherited by another shit sword

[alpine portal]

lol

[orchid nacelle]

pregatus

[long wharf]

for the record, void secondary projectiles pierce until they hit level or armored enemies

regardless of how much you charge

charging only affects damage of the projectile and AoE

[lucid mortar]

hmm, that's hording

[alpine portal]

I though it just kept going untill it hit something strong enough, but ill buy that with out testing

[supple skiff]

hmm

should I tested it, BB with slaughterer stacks does change some break points on malice at least

can one shot a mauler

[valid lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zsp6h6/power_blessings_on_psykers_increase_brainburst/ umm it scales sorta ?

[supple skiff]

Yeah I read that earlier

Reason why I’m testing it now

You can channel Bb fast enough rethought barrage to make use of slaughterer stacks

Presumably it’ll effect the soul blaze ult as well

[cyan notch]

unstable power seems best for it damn

[clear heath]

blessings do affect soulblaze stacks
You can even burn something with your staff and switch to melee and your burn will suddenly start scaling with the perks and blessings of your melee weapon

[supple skiff]

Oh so they don’t keep the values that they were applied with? That’s unfortunate

[sonic aspen]

in other words psyker is magic and we ain't gonna explain shit

[supple skiff]

Well

I guess it cuts both ways

[valid lake]

we just a messsed up chaos spawn with no logic attched

[supple skiff]

Was thinking get slaughter stacks ult and benefit for the duration

[clear heath]

There's that melee blessing that increases power on hit
I remember someone testing it with soulblaze and the soulblaze ticks started ramping up in damage when he switched to melee because the ticks were "hitting" the enemy

[supple skiff]

But if it falls after after two seconds, keep the sword out? Idk

[grave bobcat]

Anything that dies to the blaze will trigger slaughter if you have your sword out 🙂

[supple skiff]

Going to load up a damnation psykanium and see what kind of shenanigans I can pull with warp battery and slaughterer

30 damage short of 2 shotting a crusher

with 6 stacks of wc and about 62.5 in power increase

[raw swift]

which do i chooose

[karmic quail]

Dear psykers, what does charging do exactly for each staff?

[crisp yacht]

both are kinda bad tbh.. probably the left one

[karmic quail]

How many levels of charge are there etc? Does charging increase stagger, etc

[crisp yacht]

generally more damage

[unkempt juniper]

99% sure it's linear, not levels. Also it does more damage and larger aoe.

For the fire staff it's just a longer flame cast, nothing else i think.

[crisp yacht]

void can hit more enemies or pierce more. trauma increased aoe

[unkempt juniper]

surge can paralyze more targets at once at higher charge, and also more dmg

[crisp yacht]

purge is more damage higher you charge it

[unkempt juniper]

i don't use purge cus it fucks my fps up so i wouldn't know

[supple skiff]

well, with 4 wc and max slaughterer stacks you can one shot hounds on damnation so thats something I guess

[valid lake]

it something i dunno if its a good something

[supple skiff]

you'd need near perfect execution to hit it in the 2 second window, so yeah not great

[night marten]

an FS special should 1-shot them anyway

they take 4x melee damage

[magic hull]

purge is king of passive damage ( damaging enemies behind horde). But its only good if you have a good staff

a mediocore surge is still better than an above average purge but high level purge is really nice on damnation and heresy

[crisp yacht]

if you have good vet to deal with ranged purge is real nice

[clear heath]

If you have a good vet, surge is also nice

but imagine having a good vet

[night marten]

eh don't agree with the first part, it's nice on damnation and heresy because enemy density goes way up. the more dense the enemies, the more value you get out of purge (and its synergistic feats) and the less powerful surge becomes due to its hit limit

[clear heath]

Surge is still incredible for damnation tho

[night marten]

yea

[magic hull]

literally my point

you ultilize purge more on higher level

surge is just versatile you can use it anywhere

[sonic aspen]

purge works wonders at heresy+

I tried it at malice and felt there was never enough enemies to fully use it

[magic hull]

havent tried the rolled one on damnation but this thing sweeps on heresy

[cyan notch]

why dont u get crit chance

[fierce hazel]

^^

[magic hull]

i can reroll again for free

[cyan notch]

crit damage on purg is like 3damage more or something

[drowsy fog]

385 god damn rip your cloud radius tho

this is peak purg, got the important bits and dumped the stinky damage stat

[night marten]

perks and blessings?

best I have

[fierce hazel]

I did 25% unyielding on mine Soni can do some decent dmg to bosses while I burn the horde too

[night marten]

get more value out of crit chance I think

[fierce hazel]

Roll off that 8g for specials

[drowsy fog]

20 infested 10 groan/pox flurry and run

I left them out cuz they arent peak lol

[karmic quail]

Ding lvl 30 psyker

[cyan notch]

when did they change this

[karmic quail]

Ot

[long wharf]

what do you think it said before?

[karmic quail]

I dunno but it's nice

[potent echo]

It was based off WC wasn't it

[supple skiff]

been like that a while no?

[karmic quail]

Thought it was WC

[supple skiff]

oh yeah

[long wharf]

oh yeah, it was WC

[supple skiff]

huh

[long wharf]

interesting

[potent echo]

It's kinda worse now lmao

[long wharf]

yeah

[supple skiff]

wonder if that was just a description thing or if that was reflected in gameplay

[long wharf]

leaning into high peril shenanigans is about the opposite of what we really want to do

[supple skiff]

recent, and probably not in any patch notes

[long wharf]

we need far more control over our peril to run high peril builds

and 33% toughness DR doesn't strike me as enough

[potent echo]

33% is like nothing though

[supple skiff]

something like that is kinda useless

[cyan notch]

if youre spamming staff it can see some kind of utility

[supple skiff]

but high peril damage stuff to make us glass cannons im down for

[long wharf]

it could be 25% to 75% toughness DR

[potent echo]

It's not even overall DR it's only toughness ranged

[cyan notch]

well u dont really need melee dr tbh

[potent echo]

Sounds nice to have malice and below

[supple skiff]

idk if any of you played inquistor martyr but some of the best psyker builds were high peril and that shit was pretty fun

[long wharf]

that was a different kind of game

[supple skiff]

well, yeah

[potent echo]

Poxburster DR nice to have sometimes

[ebon jolt]

Would be nice if it was total toughness DR.

[supple skiff]

but the general premise is good I think , high risk high reward for psyker

[potent echo]

[spiral lion]

it's me or that psyker from cutscene have force GS?

[cyan notch]

60% poxburster resist

[potent echo]

That's a normal force sword

[long wharf]

it looks like a power sword

[potent echo]

Different skin

[long wharf]

look at the lines coming from the handle up the blade

same as the vet's power sword

a two handed power sword for psyker when?

[potent echo]

Not even in the files currently so maybe one day

[fierce hazel]

If psyker gets a power sword I'll be happy

[cyan notch]

i also realised warp res on fs isnt that great it only affects your peril gain while activating special

[fierce hazel]

But a force gs would be more interesting to me

[potent echo]

Yes it doesn't matter at all

[supple skiff]

no effect on deflector peril?

[long wharf]

I wonder if force sword's warp res also affects peril buildup when blocking

[cyan notch]

no i tested with a 73% warp res and 14% warp res

both got same peril gained from same attack

[long wharf]

okay

[cyan notch]

doesnt even affect push attack

[grizzled nexus]

what perks shld i reroll for in purg?

[cyan notch]

4% for push attack regardless of warp res

[long wharf]

for purge you want warp nexus

and the channeling one

so you can't be interrupted while burning the heretics

[cyan notch]

do u mean doesnt

[grizzled nexus]

ok thx

[long wharf]

terrifying barrage is decent for purge as well

[magic hull]

what does terri barg do

stagger enemy longer?

[long wharf]

enemies get suppressed on close range kills

[drowsy fog]

welp I got it

team pulled a demon and immediately died, swapped to me and all I could do was block while the other 2 failed to remedy the situation lol

[south monolith]

Have you tested with peril blocking? It's on my todo list and I am curious.

[jovial frigate]

what perks does surge want

flak?

[cyan notch]

@south monolith

[south monolith]

Oops mb, but ty

[barren token]

While im sure everyone has ranted abhout this already. I just wanted to vent and say how shitty the penanaces for us are. all i have left (cause im a completionist) are monstronum, bang, and pick n mix. Im gonna lose it trying foe thers

[mellow ibex]

I had to get a group together and explain how much damage they could do, which is 2-3 Heavy attacks on Malice to bring Ragers down to half health, then you can easily get all three grouped up for Bang.

That's the easiest way I found to do it. Monstronum, get an Ogryn with a Shield to pull a Daemonhost and you just ping it until it dies with Brainburst.

[raw swift]

which

[supple skiff]

so, charging a void shot then swapping to a fs with slaughterer before it hits can get you stacks lol

[vital bough]

I'd say Flak and Carapace if you want to double down on its higher damage for those guys.

[jovial frigate]

flak it is

[leaden pier]

left is just better in general

[wanton sandal]

this boutta be good

[wanton sandal]

holy

[dense cloud]

what you role?

[wanton sandal]

erm i need about 200 more plasteel

rolled +8 crit at least

[supple skiff]

Stay strong sibling

[dense cloud]

this is mine so far

[vestal rose]

Kinetic flayer on the stub revolver is unreasonably pleasing
that is all

[fresh reef]

Reminder that flayer can proc on BB

It's very funny

[wide quest]

What sort of perks would you want on purg staff?

[long wharf]

Blazing Spirit

[dense cloud]

you cant get that lol can you ?

[long wharf]

nope

[potent echo]

Lol

[dense cloud]

love how toe void staf barly crits and gets balze o9n crit and ithat blaze 1 stck only do9es

1 dmg lol

[whole wharf]

Double brain burst baby, let's gooo

I would love to find me a voidstrike staff with blazing spirit. Second talent can just be whatever, but preferably something to increase crit chance would be ideal.

[vestal rose]

I really don't know if you'd stack soulblaze high enough to actually do much, though

[rapid cliff]

What's the number of missions you have to complete for lifeleech 5?

Because lifeleech 4 is 150 missions

[whole wharf]

Knowing my luck however, that talent is always going to be reserved for "Terrifying Barrage" apparently, according to the game.

[dense cloud]

wel i was tinking that the soulbaze would help proc AB to get stacks but so far no luck

so ges surge is best for void double shot 😄

[stark junco]

How good is defector? Worth taking garbage damage roll for?

[cyan notch]

yea

loses a lot of utility without it

might as well use like a chainsword if u dont have it

[leaden pier]

i mean you should just grab it to try it out i guess

[stark junco]

Other option is, bad roll Mark V axe or, good roll Mark IV axe. Mark V only good one though right?

[cyan notch]

yes

their attacks are different

tactical axes have lower damage too

but are faster

[stark junco]

is 1.5s Momentum Mark V workable/

[cyan notch]

of course

[orchid nest]

yeah that antax is fine

[vestal rose]

With max damage + first target rolls, +25% damage to maniacs, +10% damage to elites, 6 warp charges*, and the 5% damage boost from psykinetic's wrath, I think you're totally able to one-shot a mutant on damnation with a force sword heavy special
A lot of effort for something not very necessary, but I think that's neat

[stark junco]

I finally got both deflector force sword and mark v brutal momentum in same shop

[orchid nest]

the timing would have to be tight and while you are fighting only but you should be able to accomplish that and more with just slaughterer stacks rolling

[vestal rose]

what does slaughterer stack up to again?

[orchid nest]

75% with tier 4

[vestal rose]

WHAT

though I guess if you get 5 kills within two seconds and then somehow smack a mutant, you probably earned it

[orchid nest]

every kill refreshes the max stacks too, they don't have individual timers

[vestal rose]

ooooh

neat
blessing swaps when fatshark, i dont need precognition on this thing

[orchid nest]

I don't have a tier 4 but a tier 4 one should be just around enough to 1 shot a poxwalker in the head on damnation too

[potent echo]

Precognition be like 2% crit

[orchid nest]

might need a little bump from something else, not sure. shouldn't be much though

[vestal rose]

blessing balance is so terrible
who actually did this

[unkempt juniper]

ikr

i feel like none of the dueling sword blessings are worth getting

like 'oh if i dodge a melee attack i get 2% higher crit chance for 2.5 seconds? niiice'

[vestal rose]

I get it, you're rushed, you're pushing out a game that had development struggles way too soon
but you could do better than this
it's like three different people made half the blessings with totally different philosophies and never once communicated

[potent echo]

Maybe if it gave rending it would be great vs mauler crushers

But 2% crit

[vestal rose]

You can't see that far into the future ok
just a tiny bit of precognition is all you get

[potent echo]

Maybe during hordes you can stack it quite high, but does it even stack tho I can't remember

[unkempt juniper]

nope

[fresh reef]

I love when the game just decides "you know what? fuck you" and spawns 100 shooters, 4 disablers, and a beast of nurgle in the same room

[orchid nest]

yeah it's so random. for axe it's like, would you like to do 4% more damage or cleave unlimited guys. or force sword it like doesn't even feel like the same weapon at all clearing wise anymore it does so much more damage for slaughterer

[sour bison]

heh

[potent echo]

Devs hoping to give us that soulblaze synergy lul

[unkempt juniper]

riposte and precognition both need serious buffs to be worth anything

[potent echo]

Wow that's amazing

[long wharf]

what does slaughterer roll on?

[unkempt juniper]

+power for 2s on kill

[wet gust]

Lightning Staff VS Flamer Staff VS Void Staff and why?

[long wharf]

No.

[unkempt juniper]

void>all because damage

[warm delta]

Purge > all because my beloved said so

[sour bison]

void damage is not that high

[unkempt juniper]

its high enough tbqh

[vestal rose]

fire is fun
if your teammates can't see specials through the purging you're doing, that's their problem

[sour bison]

sucks to be them

[warm delta]

why need to see when you can just spam your tag button

[vestal rose]

exaaaactly
but apparently a few veterans ive played with havent figured that out

[alpine portal]

hated purge staff. started using it with FS, deflection to get close spam lmb and either charge strike FS or purge
works well with quietude

[warm delta]

I am always the first to spot a special or elite just because I spam my tag wherever I look

[shadow wigeon]

All 3 are good for different situations

[alpine portal]

Kinda makes me feel like a zelot. but smarter

[wet gust]

But lightning staff is not boring?

[mild tartan]

I really wish BB targeting wasnt so dogshit

[clear heath]

oh wtf, a curio without any garbage perks
I guess i'll reroll stamina regen

but... why?

why am i unable?

[wet gust]

Because you didn't pick

[clear heath]

I did

[wet gust]

I would keep it like that honestly

[clear heath]

it's highlighted

[wet gust]

oh true

[wet gust]

then I don't know 🤷‍♂️

[clear heath]

Lemme reload the game

[bold flint]

how do people in heresy still not know that the fastest way to take down an assassination is to pile into him with melee

[clear heath]

ok it didn't work when i tried reloading the area

maybe i'll relaunch game

[simple junco]

It's foolproof up until T5, then you need ONE person on horde duty

Also one person on sniper duty, but that's details

[echo parrot]

Instead I have people in 1s/2s not listening to the chick in full final penance gear telling them to use melee and drop health when fighting the assassination target.

Leveling a fresh character is pain

[clear heath]

fatshark how dare you

pls i just want block efficiency for peril blocking memes

maybe it'll be fixed after i do a run

[echo parrot]

Wonder if we are going to get another content drop before years end

[echo parrot]

Get out of here gunker

[jovial frigate]

emprah givin me tings

[simple junco]

Considering it's almost christmas, probably not

[jovial frigate]

all from the emperor lmao

[wanton sandal]

praise the omnissiah

[echo parrot]

I wasn't talking about during Christmas, maybe next week.

Still a week left in the year

[alpine portal]

wow nice.

[jovial frigate]

we will get a patch post new years i think

[echo parrot]

Gotcha

[simple junco]

Typically a team gets a week off around this time, if they aren't at half staff they likely will be in a bit.

If not, rip.

[jovial frigate]

yeah, everywhere is skeleton shifting it up right now guaranteed. maybe a qol hotfix or two but i dont really see any balance or content patches happening

[clear heath]

well maybe they have content ready for a christmas/new years update
i mean it's fatshark so they probably don't have content ready, but who knows?

[jovial frigate]

you dont do upgrades on friday and you dont release content on holidays

thats a good way to have to work the entire weekend

[bold flint]

fresh releases typically dont have christmas content ready to go

[wanton sandal]

i don't think we're getting any big updates for a year

[jovial frigate]

boomer jokes

[wanton sandal]

best jokes

[fresh reef]

just got wiped by four mutants spawning at the same time

thanks FatShark

[pale crescent]

3 days in a row without an emperors gift. I think they’re gonna feed me to him soon

[brazen basalt]

I've heard the spectacularly fatsharkish data point, that you only get 20 emperor gifts per week.

[pale crescent]

I for sure haven’t hit 20 this week. Maybe 10

[wet gust]

I'm watching a psyker video of a guy playing flamer staff spaming the click, like puffing everywhere instead of holding the flame

Is that how this staf works?

[night marten]

not generally, but you're mobile with lmb

[pale crescent]

I’ve tried spam click but only if I need to mobility

[night marten]

can't move much with rmb

and it's great for an opening stagger while charging rmb for the kill on packs

[pale crescent]

I suppose it would be better if you get a good burn roll

[wet gust]

I see

[night marten]

most important stat on purg, want to get 15 stacks max if possible

[wet gust]

I'm trying to hit 30 and then find a 80% Burn

[fierce hazel]

It's all circumstantial

[pale crescent]

Level 23 and still haven’t found a purg staff above 22% burn

Have felt trolled this entire psyker experience

Is it true that lightning can’t crit anymore?

[night marten]

saw a thread about it on reddit, and a couple people who hang around here said the same

[drowsy fog]

just had a 3 purg psyker mission, was great

[long wharf]

technically it does crit, just can't tell if there is any crit damage

[white cedar]

not the best sword but this is all I get 😔

[night marten]

not bad

I don't think finesse really impacts your special damage much (if at all? haven't confirmed), much more about first target and damage

[vernal vault]

anyone not getting any staves at all in the shop?

[night marten]

solid deflector level

[vernal vault]

I only saw one in like the last two days

💀

[long wharf]

it's been confirmed that finesse doesn't affect the force sword's special attack

[white cedar]

always 😂

[strong spade]

Wasn’t finesse your attack speed or such?

[night marten]

for sure you'll feel it while using it like a normal melee weapon

your damage will be lower than it would be on weakpoints, and attack speed

[vernal vault]

ss I took earlier

was using this staff since I wasn't getting any at all lol

[south monolith]

That is big sad lol

[long wharf]

yep

[south monolith]

80% damage and First target is really good for breakpoints as it is, was hoping for some more juice when I start playing again

[white cedar]

sad staff but better than nothing

[vernal vault]

😔

[night marten]

correct me if you know otherwise, but I still think your light/heavy damage would be factored into the special swing, even if the special damage wouldn't factor it in

[south monolith]

Heavies matter

[night marten]

so for that single swing on a weakspot hit/crit, I think finesse matters

[white cedar]

just 0.5 sec slower than other, not that bad imo 😂

[astral bobcat]

asked a group if its okay if i try for cliffhanger penance near the end of mission and they all agree

proceed to keep shooting everyone anyway

[compact cargo]

veteran moment

[south monolith]

It is possible, since the FS special doesn't have chart with numbers I tried to find what damage the special added and got inconsistent results. That could be why.

[white cedar]

cliffhanger is not a big deal to do in random if the map have the spot

[astral bobcat]

only got psyker and zeolot to get to level 30 and man

who thought of the mechanics of psyker

[white cedar]

just ask ogryn shield

[night marten]

gotta make sure other factors aren't polluting numbers. blessings could alter it, warp charges, even silly things like different difficulties of meatgrinder

[white cedar]

zeolot is a lawnmover, don't ask them

[soft prawn]

you guys think this is worth upgrading?

[drowsy fog]

nope

[night marten]

I think blast radius is important especially for trauma

not a dump stat

[drowsy fog]

its a sub 350 trauma plz

[south monolith]

I know lol, I have a breakpoint calc posted in Theorycrafting and am working on a part to deconstruct those extra bonuses for custom inputs.

[night marten]

my mistake for assuming you're new to testing things

[south monolith]

Its better to be sure for a possible teaching moment lol

[pine iris]

new patch has better graphics, I'm almost sure there's a shader fix or something

[night marten]

for someone who appreciates breakpoints, just managed to get this to 1-shot maniac ragers

feels real good

[south monolith]

Headshot right?

[night marten]

yea has to be a weakpoint hit

though headshots on those are really easy to be fair

[drowsy fog]

its very satisfying to parry spam a rager and they just unalive themselves

[night marten]

just roll ant axe V is actually the big brain answer lol

[burnt python]

is there a way t o make a claw sword do decent armor dmg

cus i like the moveset of some a lot

[south monolith]

It is juicy that FS can reach that kind of damage though lol. I like deflector and exorcist so I need some Psykinetic's Wrath bonus but it is doable.

[night marten]

this is without taking advantage of the blessing or any warp charges just the innate perk. my last felt pretty bad because both finesse and first target were low meaning special attacks and normal melee usage felt lacking

[south monolith]

You likely won't need 25% flak for 1 shotting mauler, but the extra damage helps clap crushers

[burnt python]

i think ur blessing is always gonna proc on a special hs right?

err nah repeating prob refers to chains

[night marten]

yea never got close to 1-shotting maulers, but they're far less dangerous imo, slow move and attack speed

[south monolith]

You get multiple hits from FS charge, two small hits and then the pop

[night marten]

have no idea what the time limit is

hmm, I wonder if that's what is happening... getting a small damage boost from the first two hits before the big damage goes off. welp, time to test it

[south monolith]

Can proc the multihit blessings. Exorcist can reduce the cost of using the special a few times if used on the dead.

[burnt python]

it woudl be a 12% boost for final hit i think, which on fs special is a lot

thats a really good blessing

[south monolith]

Idk if the first counts

[night marten]

hmm.. the first attack is weaker, second attack is roughly double, then the real damage hits

numbers aren't ever consistent which would make it easy

[south monolith]

The two ticks before the pop should be the same base damage

[night marten]

(with two different swords, one without the Executor blessing)

[south monolith]

gotcha

[fierce hazel]

If you charge and do a heavy swing and drag it into the side of them you can get more dmg

[south monolith]

Just get me the non crit data and I can break it down

[cyan notch]

u sure bout this

exorcist not procing for me on special

[south monolith]

Head shot?

[cyan notch]

yes

[night marten]

@south monolith 1st, 2nd, final special hits between two FS. one has Executor, the other gets no bonus to weakspot hits
38 77 976 - Executor (light attack, guessing that's a rounding error)
28 56 679 - non

seeing a pattern of small damage, double small damage, big damage. I would have expected to see a tiny difference on the Executor's second number if the blessing was in effect while hitting the weakspot (and maybe the same can be said for Exorcist). doesn't appear the blessings are counting those two mini hits as real "hits"

[south monolith]

I guess its been changed. I haven't been playing for some weeks now.

[south monolith]

They might have redesigned the damage profile of FS special with the update that added more AoE

Scratch that, I still get two even ticks.

[orchid nacelle]

what curio stats are worth rolling

[night marten]

oh maybe I'm just reading it wrong, and the second number is a sum of the first two hits lol. if they were the same damage, that would explain the doubling I think is happening

but it still should end up a tiny bit higher than just double right? it did round up to 77 consistently with the Executor weapon.

oh wait

just saw 38 41..

[south monolith]

There are decimals present in all of the weapons stats, so normally is just rounding

[night marten]

a heavy attack changes the timing of the ticks, they're more spaced out so they don't get combined

[south monolith]

Yup

[night marten]

oh I think it IS having an effect

gotta try to time these screenshots

non weakpoint

weakpoint

[south monolith]

Oh you know what, I thought this whole discussion started from talking about mutants, misread earlier LOL

[night marten]

I think I might be able to get them with a bunch of charges? not sure

[south monolith]

But maniac is a good breakpoint too

you need 1333.33333333 melee damage for mutants lol

Since they take x3

[night marten]

better example

these numbers are weird.

[south monolith]

The first two hits make your final hit look worse because of the hp cap

[night marten]

ah that's it

[south monolith]

Suffering from success

[night marten]

yea I think a few warp charges would do the trick on the mutie

takes 3

so the special can proc hit-based blessings, that's neat

[south monolith]

Not exorcism anymore for some reason

[night marten]

@grave bobcat would blazing spirit proc three times, each giving 2-4 stacks, with a special attack since all three hits are crits?

makes shred even better than I thought on FS

[south monolith]

The ticks follow all damage calc that the last tick does btw if you were curious

I am assuming that executor is at 8% for the last hit

[night marten]

might just be 4, not sure if the first hit counts since it specifies "repeated hits". might require the second hit to start building damage

[south monolith]

You are slightly above 1336 damage before the x3 melee multiplier with 3 warp charges which is past the 1333.33 to oneshot, which obviously you know it oneshots, that is just how close.

You might be able to kill on the body if you BB first. Means you can precharge the BB and handle the mutie easily without a headshot

[night marten]

na pretty far off

might have been able to do it with perfect rolled elite/special damage as second perk

think it's definitely doable with the right stats, *the one-shot on weakpoint that is

damn really rely on that weakpoint hit. even a crit to the body doesn't get there with a BB

[south monolith]

Its a beast for HP and we don't get 10% passive damage from elites since its a special

[cyan notch]

most of the time im hitting bodyshots after dodging cuz hes facing the wrong way anyway

[south monolith]

Ya planning on a headshot is iffy, which is why you have to build around a bodyshot. With a 80% damage 78% first target forcesword with maniac 25%, you still need 17% more damage to 1 tap the body after a BB.

[night marten]

for don't think a mutie weakspot hit is reliable at all

ragers however, those are good

and the maniac rager is the beefiest of the midsizes

[south monolith]

Ya, maniac is what I have wanted on FS because of the enemy spread

Maniac and Elite makes you a king.

[night marten]

the orgryn's are too easy to manage to need prioritization

well with purge anything with flak armor also dies lol

[south monolith]

I have my ideal FS planned for anything that likes to get close.

[night marten]

dont even need to heavy the scab rager, just melts to a light special

[south monolith]

I misspoke for having flak since it starts to overkill, but elite is nice for helping with ogryns too.

[meager eagle]

bites lip seductively

[south monolith]

Max damage and first target FS with 10% elite one taps mauler with 1 warp charge, or just by having Psykinetic's Wrath.

[burnt python]

your finesse would matter too

[night marten]

I think I'm literally 7 damage off with 4 warp charges

(no wrath feat)

[south monolith]

Ya it isn't a big worry especially with aoe damage or stray fire taking the top off of enemies. Its just my goal for sake of mind.

@night marten When I finish the custom inputs for the breakpoint calc I can release an early version if you want to play around with FS breakpoints.

[night marten]

nice! sounds interesting

[south monolith]

The current sheet that's pinned doesn't allow for customs inputs, which has to deconstruct the numbers from targets in the meatgrinder. It only can used the numbers from the in-game weapon charts, I have the new melee formula made, just have to add it to each enemy.

[robust meteor]

i always shat on devils claw but this mows through damnation

[night marten]

@burnt python was asking about whether there was an effective way to get them dealing with armor

[timber shale]

is it possible to get a force sword with shred?

[night marten]

yea

[south monolith]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 Another source

[brave plume]

Got it!

lol

Will be able to transfer blessing tho

[night marten]

oh

[crude cape]

Which model of duelist sword do you guys like best?

[potent echo]

anyone up for pick n mix private game?

[mild iron]

does purgatus count as ranged for killing scab/dreg contracts?

[night marten]

I think direct damage might, not sure about soulblaze

[near wyvern]

I think ranged but haven't 100 confirmed it

[night marten]

but honestly I don't even think about it, since it also counts any kills done by teammates

you could only use melee and it would get done eventually

[mild iron]

didn't realize that, nice. gotta speedrun some games to pick up a great antax at melk's

[near wyvern]

I have never seen a good weapon on that scalpe

I have 7k weekly coins in my pocket still waiting for something good to appear

[vale terrace]

is first target a dump stat or should i just stick to the average one on the right

[glad jasper]

Stick to the right one

[frigid marten]

But then a bug will make deflector unusable or nerfed

[gray island]

Hmmm

[night marten]

stats aren't great, but brutal momentum is top tier blessing

dont buy it at melks

[gray island]

i have a stronger axe with brutal, it doesn't have decapitator tho

[south monolith]

Careful with rending. There have been some funky info and reports of it reducing damage on armored targets.

[night marten]

I've seen this, even in bugged form when switching to a melee with rending after applying soulblaze

[night marten]

stick to the right

[south monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1052914521389408276/Capture.PNG

This stats that rending changes some damage to be against base armor type, which I ASSUME is unarmored, but I haven't done any testing yet

You run into a weird situation where the weapon gets bonuses to flak or carapce but ends up being less on armored. You actually can see something similar with Dreg gunners, where a FS special does more on the body than the head

[drowsy fog]

god even on malice some of these pugs are dicey

[night marten]

a bomber, a mutant, and a dog walk into a bar...

[clear heath]

Yeah rending can get weird
If you have enough armor pen on a rumbler, rending will reduce its damage

[south monolith]

Where did that little decimal go?

[cyan notch]

rip imagine if this were mg12

[sturdy radish]

this worth copping?

blessing is eh but i like the stats

[buoyant kraken]

people are saying the surge staff isnt doing bonus crit damage rn

anyone test this out?

[night marten]

only if you're super desperate for something that isn't garbage-tier

otherwise, not worth imo

[sturdy radish]

what should i be looking for, any suggestions?

[clear heath]

It does crit. Just not for very much

If you hover the crit bonus stat for surge, you'll see a range of 0-30%
This doesn't add to the base crit damage, it replaces it

[night marten]

warp nexus + terrifying barrage blessings

[clear heath]

so you crit for somewhere around 20% more damage

instead of like other weapons that do almost double

[night marten]

the perks aren't terrible actually, so it has that going for it too.

[sturdy radish]

like this one? its the one i usually run with

[whole wharf]

So happy I finally got my stupid "Going out with a bang" penance done yesterday. Now to just solo a monstrosity on heresy with my brain burst alone. 🙃

[night marten]

yea I think that's just better, no reason to buy the other

[cyan notch]

depends on enemy type

[sturdy radish]

thx

[night marten]

could make a case for switching the perk

[clear heath]

nah they fixed it for critting flak
It's still unlisted in the stat, but now it crits for about the same as the rest of the types

flak crits used to be 2x damage

now they suck

[mild iron]

i'm 200ish away from picking this up, though not happy with thrust

[buoyant kraken]

im rockin this for now

[clear heath]

damn those are nice perks/blessings

all i'd want more for it is quell speed

[fierce sinew]

perchance does anyone have handy the formulae relating charge rate and damage on the relevant staves

obviously at full charge whichever of two otherwise identical staves with the higher damage roll does more damage, but presumably at some thresholds a staff with slightly worse damage roll but higher charge rate will do more damage

[cyan notch]

im not even talking about that crits are not the same for each armour type

[cyan notch]

pretty sure thats additional

[night marten]

I think surge has a wide possible range (note: im not a surge user), purge just fires secondary attack longer, but maybe void and trauma have a relatively static formula

[fierce sinew]

void definitely has a range

trauma I don't use enough to know

[clear heath]

There's also this that was datamined from the game

Listen we had this conversation about this like yesterday. the stat replaces crit damage on surge. Damage table is wrong.
Backread from here

Crit does fuck all for surge. It used to be strong for flak but they fixed it

[fierce sinew]

I'm just trying to build out a rough sense of when (for example) charging two surge staves for .5 seconds gets you more damage out of one because you got (high percentage) of (smaller number) vs (lower percentage) of (bigger number)

[cyan notch]

20ish%

nowhere close to 20%

[clear heath]

hmm

[grave bobcat]

👀

[clear heath]

that's weird, they should all be the same

[grave bobcat]

And this wasnt a coversation

It was a dude repeating the same dull fact to me 4 times in a row lmao

For no reason 🥲

And people on Reddit are already complaining that Surge is bugged and not critting correctly

[clear heath]

Lemme see which types do have a different crit damage

[potent echo]

yea

[grave bobcat]

And otherwise my point was that it crits extremely often not that its crits are insane lol

But he really wanted to tell me about flak armor lmao

So i just didnt reply

[clear heath]

Honestly i think they should make it so that the crit bonus increased your crit damage rather than replacing it.
You'd think a weapon with crit bonus as a stat would do more damage critting

[grave bobcat]

Isn't the Crit Bonus as stated?

It applies a % increase bonus to the base crit

But I agree on that they could give a lot better descriptions

And as I discovered yesterday

They changed one of the traits I used making it useless for how I utilise it

But didn't mention it in the patch notes?

[south monolith]

Crit bonus only affects the bonus damage after you subtract the non crit damage from the crit

[jaunty atlas]

so ... i rolled a vet. i did all penances in 3 days.

[grave bobcat]

lmao i'm not re-reading that

I'm just gona nod my head

[jaunty atlas]

just wanted to inform you.

[grave bobcat]

Betrayal

[gusty lantern]

U guys are too complicated. I go back to reading ogryn chat

[jaunty atlas]

well .. i finally can use weapons :p

[clear heath]

Hmm, now that i look at it, this seems to be missing infested
And infested seems to be the only thing that's getting unusually high crit damage

[cyan notch]

unarmoured too

[grave bobcat]

Just nod your head

[gusty lantern]

Yes sparky 🙂

[grave bobcat]

And ironically infested/unarmored is supposed to be its weaknesses

[south monolith]

So a with a 100 non crit and a 200 crit before crit bonus, the crit becomes 210 damage with 10% bonus crit damage

[shy cradle]

Hey all, one question, do we know the range on the lvl 25 feat/talent Kinetic Overload?

"Kinetic Overload: At maximum Warp Charges, gaining a Warp Charge stack instead applies four stacks of Soulblaze to one nearby enemy, prioritizing elites."

[grave bobcat]

I just assume they fucked up a value somewhere lol

[night marten]

I think it's "pretty good"

[grave bobcat]

nods

I need to read what bow @ me with wile I was sleepin too

[night marten]

#psyker-class message

[night marten]

was testing how FS special is technically 3 hits, and if the first is a weak spot or crit, they all are. for things like Executor, Exorcist, and Blazing spirit, you get three for the price of one

[sour stirrup]

Wooo time to log in and see if I can get a decent staff that isn't a Void

[grave bobcat]

Oh?

[night marten]

yea

[grave bobcat]

Hmm

[south monolith]

This is how crits work normally, I don't know what mess surge has atm. Just showcasing that crit bonus damage isn't to the full base number

[shy cradle]

thanks!

[night marten]

had screenshots a little earlier with proof (using executor blessing)

[south monolith]

It doesn't work with exorcist currently. I will check the bug posts.

[grave bobcat]

Banana I'm legit just not reading what you're saying lol

Cause I just woke up and 2 contradictions in 1 sentence is enough for 1 morning

[sour stirrup]

Is there a consensus on 25 feats as to which one is strongest or is it dependent on if you take AB?

[night marten]

they're all situationally useful, depends on the strategy of your build

[grave bobcat]

I need to see how I can abuse this 👀

[night marten]

Blazing spirit would apply "fuck you" stacks to something potentially if you crit with a special

[grave bobcat]

But yesterday when I was messing with my feats because of that Zealot flamer if you remember

I noticed noticed change to Kinetic SHield.

Its peril ?

Not warps anymore

I feel like that is a pretty significant change that should be listed lol

[night marten]

hadn't even noticed

[grave bobcat]

Yeah most crutch on deflection

[sour stirrup]

https://puu.sh/JuNBz/88348f512b.jpg

I brain burst a lot

[grave bobcat]

but slightly... annoying

for me

[night marten]

it would be criminal not to with an FS like mine

[grave bobcat]

Mostly pertaining to that I HAVE to use a FS with it

[night marten]

just like 6 charges for specific breakpoints/peril resist?

[bleak tulip]

does this just feel like its worse or what

[grave bobcat]

But it is a little frustrating that the only weapon that could benefit from it being changed to peril instead of warp

its the FS

[night marten]

actually probably not generally

[grave bobcat]

With deflector...

[clear heath]

I thought it was always based off peril

[sour stirrup]

Well Soulblaze gets very little value for me since I don't like AB and don't use a Purg. And since my best staff by a mile is a Void I don't get value out of flayer very often.

[bleak tulip]

I mean I guess theyre finally adding ways that peril matters and you can make peril edging builds but I dont know if thats something I care to do

[grave bobcat]

Nop it was warps up until the VFX surge changes

But like...

[night marten]

from the build editor site

[grave bobcat]

ahah

So now it can only be utilised in 1 specific way

[clear heath]

oh it was

[grave bobcat]

And deflector is the only benefactor of this chjange

Even though Deflector benefitted from it anyway

Just annoying really

[night marten]

even just being in a longer, high intensity engagement where you're juggling staff usage with BB, this could be nice

[summer prairie]

how does it only help deflector

[night marten]

and means it's more applicable to more builds since two of the last feats wipe your charges

[grave bobcat]

Because deflector is the only one to utilise peril dmg reduction

[summer prairie]

what

[clear heath]

Wow it was actually based on warp all the way up till the hotfix to change them back
Like in J_sat's recent vid where you can see it still has the seizure vfx, it still says warp charges
So they actually just changed it in the hotfix and didn't say anything

wait lemme read hotfix patch notes again

[cyan notch]

yes

[grave bobcat]

So

[cyan notch]

they didnt say anything

[night marten]

real question is

[cyan notch]

it was a stealth change

[night marten]

was it always that way

[grave bobcat]

Deflector Syll incase you didn't know

[night marten]

and they forgot to change the language

[sour stirrup]

I think it happened a while ago unless I'm smoking drugs.

[grave bobcat]

Is a blessing.

To the Force Sword only.

[sour stirrup]

Like a lot of stuff got schmutzed around on launch.

[summer prairie]

that kinetic shield change makes it better for every build other than maybe 6-2 purga

[grave bobcat]

Actually I just remembered the dumb shit I've seen you say

lmfao

Nvm carry on

you do you

[clear heath]

Nah you can see it say warp charges here
https://youtu.be/q02zVeqFMD0?t=2379

[summer prairie]

You must be confusing me with someone else

[clear heath]

And you can clearly see it's the exact patch where surge staff gives you eye damage

so it was just during the hotfix they changed it

[sour stirrup]

Oh well then bend me over a haystack. Guess they did.

That'd be busted if I could have both of those feats on my sword

But alas, having a poor dude's ogryn shield is still nice.

https://puu.sh/JuNDr/83a9122333.jpg

Kinda like being able to block bullets.

[clear heath]

it's fun for revives

[cyan notch]

but u dont take toughness damage with deflector

its stamina damage

[sour stirrup]

I could probably roll +1 stam onto the sword actually

But I don't know if that's worth

[clear heath]

I wonder how it scales anyways
Like does it scale to 33% upon hitting 100%, or do you reach that at like 50% peril or something?

[cyan notch]

why would u take stamina on sword when u dont need stamina

[clear heath]

If you're looking to peril block meme with it, take block efficiency instead

[bleak tulip]

if it scales like other things like this then it caps at like 80

[sour stirrup]

Or that too

I keep finding weird weapons on my psyker

[compact cargo]

Peril block and caxe slap

[sour stirrup]

https://puu.sh/JuNE6/41487f9fd9.jpg

[grave bobcat]

SHREDDER

[clear heath]

gun psyker

[south monolith]

Psykinetic's Wrath gives 5% damage with 0% peril so you should at least have 10% toughness reduction even at 0% peril.

[sour stirrup]

I gotta do 10 missions to afford the stupid credits or w/e but I'm considering it.

[grave bobcat]

That is some thing I didn't consider at least

But too early in the morning for me to care

[south monolith]

I mean that is if you want to trust fat shark to be consistent lol

[grave bobcat]

Do you trust FS to be consistent? 🥲

[elfin crystal]

idk man that gun doesn't seem worth it for 3000 credits worth of grind

[grave bobcat]

Shredder is really fun to use

Ofc better options

But man

its fun

[elfin crystal]

yeah, but not atthat cost. the milk shop is really not great most of the time

[south monolith]

I didn't even trust that they had a second set of cosmetics for when the timer in the cash shop was up.

[grave bobcat]

wait

[sour stirrup]

I really don't have much else to do anyway

[clear heath]

I don't think i'd want to give up peril blocking for kinetic shield
Although I guess if you're really good at melee and never need to block... hmm

[grave bobcat]

did they buy it at melk

Disaster

[elfin crystal]

they said they wanted to

which is why i say euhhhh

[grave bobcat]

I agree

eeuhhhh

Its crit damage is hilarious

[sour stirrup]

I can't think of a better way to spend melk credits either because...sitting on a finished build more or less.

[grave bobcat]

Damn bro

[elfin crystal]

like, keep that currency for when they'll add something worth it like reds or something. you'll get another shredder fairly quickly

[grave bobcat]

like 5-10 more damage on crit weakspot

reallly hitting those breakpoints

[elfin crystal]

noice

[grave bobcat]

It is a fun gun to run though

at leaet 🥲

[elfin crystal]

yeah hopefully

[grave bobcat]

It staggers very quickly unlike some guns

So while you do no damage

They're helplessly stunlocked while you do 50 per hit to them for 5s

[sour stirrup]

Am new to the series, what're reds exactly?

[clear heath]

you know, i never really considered this cause i don't like soulblaze very much and now that i look at it....

why the fuck is it 3 meters?

[grave bobcat]

lmao

stopl ooking at that

[night marten]

after legendary rarity *or whatever orange is

[clear heath]

The fuck are you gonna hit 3 meters of an elite?

[grave bobcat]

Wrack and Ruin should be considered a bug 🥲

[sour stirrup]

The other shotgunner

[night marten]

3 meters is the least of the issues

[south monolith]

That shit is good for when the enemies play Red Rover

[clear heath]

I thought "oh it's aoe, maybe it'd be funny to highlight a crowd with it"

it barely reaches shit

and does no damage anyways

[night marten]

BB getting a kill means less likely on higher difficulties, and 2 stacks means jack shit under any circumstances by themselves

[elfin crystal]

vermintide had mastercrafts which were basically red rarity gun with special effects iirc. our current orange gear was named mastercraft before, but then got stealth changed to trancendent or whatever. it's fair to assume they'll add master crafts gear at some point

[hard wave]

Any tips for "Going out With a Bang"?

[grave bobcat]

Bow annoyingly, despite the Zealot from yesterday..

The infernus blessing on pistols

doesn't do it 😦

[night marten]

[clear heath]

become worse at the game

[night marten]

was the flamer reproduced?

[fresh halo]

Blaze Force Sword, what enemy should I take more damage for ?

[hard wave]

I don't know if I can do that more than already ):

[grave bobcat]

It's a 2 person test

[fresh halo]

I have Carapace at the moment

[grave bobcat]

So i haven't been able to reproduce

[night marten]

well I'm heading to bed in a few minutes, but if you have a flamer I can join some time "tomorrow", like 8-10 hours from now

[elfin crystal]

you need a girl for that

[clear heath]

Generally most weapons want damage against flak, cause that's half the enemies in the game anyways

[fresh halo]

Flak, roger that.

Thank you, sibling !

[grave bobcat]

Lmap ik I just woke up too but Imight go back to bedd soonis hagain to

[elfin crystal]

[grave bobcat]

oot ready for ther world yet

[raw otter]

rip they will fix that glitched distorted sound when you charge with voidstrike to multiple enemies

[south monolith]

Are there any enemy breakpoints you are worried about?

[fresh halo]

To say I've slept one hour, did a 5 hours shift from 4 to 9 AM, and now here I am, playing Darktide.

That, and the fact that I have another nightshift tonight from 9 PM to 7 AM.

[grave bobcat]

Sleeping for me is always on Damnation -.-

[fresh halo]

No, was just asking because I was changing perks on my sword.

[compact cargo]

Cry about it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1052989611187638343/image.png

[south monolith]

Maniac and Elite covers a lot of enemies, but that is assuming you have Damage and First target % basically maxxed

[compact cargo]

gunpsyker supremacy

[night marten]

ah

[light quail]

autogun psyker
interesting choice but if it works...

[grave bobcat]

Crucian Enthusiast

[bleak tulip]

it works on malice im sure

[light quail]

wait yeah thats the headhunter

[compact cargo]

If you take all the ammo, the vet can-t deal with elites and specials, making you useful versus them again

[light quail]

heard they're decent after the patch

[compact cargo]

They are, if they had more ammo

Atm braced still outclasses em

trading 20 points of damage for double ammo

[bleak tulip]

its kind of hilarious that the thing you dont have to aim outclasses the de facto "skill based" autogun

[shell ferry]

I find braced being hella inaccurate. Ammo chug, really. For a full auto enemy-melter, recon lasgun stands better chances

[bleak tulip]

just because you hose shit with it better

[clear heath]

This is big brain

steal all the ammo so no one can say the vet did better

[bleak tulip]

and if youre running braced youre up ahead so you get first pick on ammo while the vet sits in the back malding

[grave bobcat]

@night marten Yep, I'm gonna drink a cocktail, watch the 2 episodes of chainsaw man I'm behind on and go back to bed 👍

[shell ferry]

As a vet myself, I tend to go around with kantrael. Nice for picking off enemy shooters and let psykers have their fun with big and 'eavy ones

[bleak tulip]

isnt that what every vet does

[shell ferry]

Unless they are getting flung around by a mutie, in which case having a plasma really helps

[bleak tulip]

you'd think everyone had caught on by now

[clear heath]

no the vets in pubs actually just spam lasgun shots into crushers

[shell ferry]

A lot of plasma enjoyers there are, me included, and a lot of bolter fans

[grave bobcat]

Why remind me 😦

[clear heath]

They don't notice the 50 gunners shooting the team to death cause they have 75% toughness damage reduction anyways
but crusher scary

[bleak tulip]

I mean that does remind me of that one match recently where I had two vets sitting 20 meters behind me and the ogryn, spamming accran into our backs as we dealth with everything

I wish recon las didnt sound and feel so fun to use because its a trap

too many vets think more dakka more better

and then theyre just useless

[buoyant kraken]

my girl's force sword

[clear heath]

those stats

[bleak tulip]

gib

shame about the blessing but ya know

never allowed to have everything

unless its your second class, like how I apparently got a god roll eviscerator first try

but still run a 324 base void

[clear heath]

oh speaking of vet
had a damnation run with 2 ogryns and a vet
dude complained about an ogryn body blocking him and just started throwing the run

he just spammed bullets at the ogryn in protest

and they started arguing

we votekicked him like 2/3 into the run

[shy cradle]

They need to gaze into the immaterium for a while to get some perspective

[grave bobcat]

I had 2 vets arguing about ammo which was pretty funny

[stuck basalt]

imagine vet need ammo, just using kantreal lasgun

[surreal needle]

Why does my psyker get the best guns, like, im at the point where my psyker has such good guns staffs feel like im nerfing myself

Psyker is literally just a better veteran

[bleak tulip]

as I said, you never get the things you want for the class you want

[stuck basalt]

nah, pysker is jack of all trade

[surreal needle]

Like look at this bs, id die to have this on my veteran

[vast oyster]

Got a pretty amazing headhunter autogun that would be great on my vet

[surreal needle]

Guns are my favorite staff

[vast oyster]

Mfw no item sharing

[stuck basalt]

vet got built in weakspot dmg bonus, already better than psyker

[surreal needle]

Veteran players get a 20% aim debuff

Since they can never hit weakspots

[clear heath]

veteran players also get a 20% brain debuff

[stuck basalt]

also vet camo op

[surreal needle]

Why does veteran get the camo, literally the one class that doesnt need it

[stuck basalt]

it is fun to see hordes go through vet

[clear heath]

there are plenty of vets who swear by camo feat
I think it's for lazy people who push work on to others, but whatever

[surreal needle]

When i play veteran i can just go afk next to a data interrogator, as a psyker you actually have to play the game

[drowsy fog]

imagine that

[jaunty atlas]

man i play vet a bit ... this thing is so much well tought and designed

[vestal rose]

I played vet for a few days and my ability to play the game properly is destroyed
why are they so tanky

[jaunty atlas]

everything clicks

[jaunty atlas]

the psyker is paper thin, that's why :p

and i can finally play antax without feeling out of roleplay

which is a huge perk :p

[vestal rose]

truue
they just have so much toughness for both melee and ranged, and it's so incredibly easy to regen toughness on them

[surreal needle]

With me its the other way around, when i play psyker for a while i get better at playing Vet since i stop just being braindead and shooting mindlessly

Untill i get hit once and lose like 10% of my health instead of 70% and remember i dont actually need to care

[vestal rose]

I was playing chainsword + stub revolver mostly on vet
real fun times but the brain can still be switched off lol

[jaunty atlas]

your ability to all switch you brain off is suprising. maybe it's the true answer of everything

[inland sand]

it's the best talent on that row, nothing lazy about it. Combo that with 25 row fast reload and 30 row counter fire and you can stand still in damnation with a Kantrael and kill every single gunner and shooter on the map

which is what you're supposed to do as Vet

[jaunty atlas]

that tanking volley is very nice

[vestal rose]

my brain is rarely on in the first place, to be fair

[jaunty atlas]

oh

[inland sand]

Anyone else found a distinct lack of Vets in game recently? I can't seem to get in a group with one

and boy do I feel it at Damnation

[clear heath]

or i mean, you could take the damage reduction feat and tank some shots
or actually just dodge

[inland sand]

sure, you could do that

[jaunty atlas]

tanking volley plus infinite volley on elites : perma detect for the team

[shrewd jetty]

Should I reroll 20% damage to attack speed or block efficiency (or something else)?

[jaunty atlas]

and enjoyable runs every time even when the game do not cooperate

[summer prairie]

attack speed isn't available as a perk

[surreal needle]

Veterans complain when they cant kill everything, then switch to a different class.
Psykers pog when they get a single kill

[jaunty atlas]

wait they can't kill everything ? oO did not get the memo

[sour stirrup]

It also helps with reviving allies, doing hacking objectives, or anything else that requires standing still. Getting bonus stamina for dodging has never been really a problem and if I'm already basically invisible to ranged enemies from standing still I don't need toughness reduction when I'm already hunting them.

[inland sand]

I stopped playing mine cause I found I just enjoyed Zealot more. But I'm thinking about going back to it because never having anyone to kill shooters is starting to get frustrating

but Vet playstyle is pretty dull

if we are being honest

[vestal rose]

you guys are getting veterans that do more than just shoot the horde you're already killing in melee?

[sour stirrup]

But also this.

[inland sand]

I mean I'm just not getting them full stop

[vestal rose]

cannot relate
maybe you're just blessed unlucky

[inland sand]

except one that crapped themselves continuously whenever an enemy spawned in

[jaunty atlas]

with the massive use of purg staff and flamers and knife runners, honestly i'm never out of work at long range

[inland sand]

definitely unlucky at Damnation. Shooters and gunners are pain at that difficulty

[vestal rose]

most games at heresy it's three veterans
otherwise 2 vets and a zealot

[summer prairie]

you probably don't want to reroll that +20% if you are playing on damnation as you need it to two-hit headshot poxwalkers

[surreal needle]

I noticed Veteran is most fun when you play in what sounds like the most boring way, most people just immediately switch to a bolter then complain when they cant use a heavy weapon like a pistol

[vestal rose]

where are you finding damnation pugs? woa

[inland sand]

i get some here and there. the lobby bugs a lot though

sometimes I bite the bullet and go on LFG

but for example played a High Intensity Damnation game on the new map with 2 psykers, me on Ogryn and Zealot

[clear heath]

i mean, i guess the hacking thing is helpful but that seems like such a minor thing. Revives haven't really been much of an issue with vet grenades anyways.
Plus i'd much rather tank the shots with the vet's 300 toughness and 75% damage reduction than to force the enemies to shoot the rest of the team instead. It just seems like a selfish feat

[inland sand]

we eventually just died on the first event after 10m

because there were too many gunners and we couldn't kill them fast enough

also the Zealot yeet'd themselves

would have loved a good vet there

[stuck basalt]

i love vet paint

[vestal rose]

shooters are terribly oppressive
honestly the whole reason I finally gave up on what I believe and switched to ascendant blaze

[inland sand]

I prefer to win games but I guess we all enjoy our time differently

[sour stirrup]

Playstyle differences. I don't like to have enemies shooting my frontline so I tend to pick off anything in front of me and use volley fire to highlight all the shooters and keep the ability running until they're dead. When I'm playing Vet anyway.

[surreal needle]

Am i weird for thinking gun psyker is as useful as a half decent vet? You wont one shot everything but if you take a weapon with decent stopping power you can mix that with the push special to have far more wave control with just a gun

[sour stirrup]

And don't get me wrong, there is definitely a faction of vet players who wholesale take that feat and use it to get their teams killed.

[surreal needle]

Push ability*

[inland sand]

there's definitely some stuff Psyker with a gun can do. The talent that makes non warp damage higher vs a target after a BB seems made for gun psykers

[sour stirrup]

But my journey through this game has been Ogryn->Vet->Psyker and I tend to play around supporting my squad moreso than a gun fetish power fantasy. Bolters are just gravy in that equation.

[inland sand]

is it optimal? no idea Psyker is my least played

[surreal needle]

Taking a psyker isnt optimal in the first place lol

[sour stirrup]

Optimal is arguable. Surge/Purg staves are good CC.

[inland sand]

this makes me sad. Aesthetically they are so cool

[sour stirrup]

Psyker is just undertuned for some reason.

[clear heath]

Unlike a vet, you'd also have peril block and can tank a demonhost

[surreal needle]

Staves are great, but not fun for me

[clear heath]

but that's a pretty meme reason to pick psyker

[olive ember]

having one psyker I'm pretty sure is optimal

[inland sand]

i think so

it feels like the class that suffers the most from diminishing returns though

[clear heath]

I mean there's a reason most of the duo clears i've seen are psyker + some other carry

[inland sand]

best group to me is still 1 of each

[sour stirrup]

Honestly I'd rather have double Ogryn + Zealot + Vet

[vestal rose]

getting to terrorise my team by aggroing the demonhost is a lot of fun

[sour stirrup]

The zealot needs a flamer though

[olive ember]

1 ogryn, 2 vets, 1 psyker is

👌

[inland sand]

i think you can do 1 1 2 of any class and it be fine to good, except Psyker as the 2

which again, is sad

[surreal needle]

I feel like Psyker is far too reliant on the staves, they arent even that satisfying to use

[clear heath]

I honestly don't see a big reason to want ogryn on the team

[olive ember]

tbh thats like saying vets are too reliant on their guns

[surreal needle]

It isnt though?

[sour stirrup]

Iunno, the end of the smelter repair mission on high difficulty with a Void staff makes my brain go brrrr when they all line up.

[inland sand]

they need to sort the fucking Trauma staff out and make an equivalent of Beam staff in this game

[vestal rose]

4 psykers with deflection force swords walking in a conga line
you cannot think of a better team comp

[stuck basalt]

psyker too reliant on team, this tool feel useless without team

[olive ember]

armor regen buff iirc, amazing horde clear, fast carry, etc. etc.

[inland sand]

Ogryns are amazing

[summer prairie]

is the horde clear amazing though

[inland sand]

but bad ogryns are terrible

[olive ember]

^^

[summer prairie]

1 zealot with flamethrower would be much more helpful

[vestal rose]

it feels really comfy to have a useful ogryn around

[surreal needle]

Ogryn is a bit too unforgiving if you ask me, it isnt hard to use but if it goes bad it goes horribly wrong

[inland sand]

for sure. but that really does make you appreciate the good ones even more imo

[clear heath]

The only great thing about ogryn i can think of is their guns. Being able to kill groups of far away gunners is nice

[inland sand]

like a good Ogryn is just a massive hug and wall for the whole team and it's so nice

[clear heath]

being a wall is kinda meme and honestly not that useful imo

[inland sand]

I don't mean with the shield

[clear heath]

psykers can also sorta do it and actually still move

[surreal needle]

My experience with Ogryn is that you either feel like youre the only reason the whole team survives, or youre stuck in a corner with a team that just left you for dead

[inland sand]

I mean playing in a way where you are protecting your team and letting them do what they are supposed to do

[surreal needle]

Psyker is a better shield ogryn then the shield ogryn is

[inland sand]

Ogryns that stand still with shield special are a waste of a slot

[clear heath]

I find it easier to protect the team with zealot crusher than any of the ogryn weapons

the aoe stagger is broken

[inland sand]

Ogryn has the exact same weapon

and has bull rush

[surreal needle]

Shield ogryn can be amazing when they know proper positioning though... but 90% of them dont

[clear heath]

zealot's is faster

[inland sand]

and uninterruptable revives

[clear heath]

and has a better arc for the swing

[inland sand]

so? it doesn't matter if you can play with them you can do the same thing

[olive ember]

I mean at the end of the day horde killing power isn't that useful, I prefer horde control

[inland sand]

I play both classes and Ogryns are better at staggering and controlling crowds than Zealots are

Crusher or no

[olive ember]

no one actually dies to a horde of poxwalkers, but the two mutants coming through the poxwalker horde becomes a problem... Ogryn's deal with that much better than a zealot could

except zealots with flamers but then they are useless without flamers

[inland sand]

Zealots are killier and more manoeuvrable, Ogryns have the better crowd control and team support mechanics

[vestal rose]

You say no-one, but I've had some interesting veterans lately lol
but yeah i agree with that

[surreal needle]

"no one actually dies to a horde of poxwalkers" oh boy, have i seen some veterans that tell a different story

[inland sand]

this. plenty of people die to hordes of poxwalkers

[clear heath]

Zealot crusher can stagger crowds just as well as an ogryn and also not bodyblock bullets from their entire team.

[olive ember]

I had to hard carry a malice 3 assassination because 3 vets went down... one of them had the border for beating all damnation missions too

it was truly a bruh moment

[vestal rose]

I swear no-one ever taught them glorious melee combat in the guard

[surreal needle]

Funny enough, Veterans are actually the only class that can die to poxwalkers unless they have a good rolled sword

[sharp ibex]

Zealot crusher takes forever to kill crowds, i'd prefer a BB ogryn tbh

[olive ember]

I mean shield ogryn cuz funny special is funny

[clear heath]

If you think it takes too long, you aren't spamming special light enough

[olive ember]

effective? not really

but funny

[inland sand]

not even the best combo with the Zealot Crusher

special > heavy 1

[sharp ibex]

Every swing it still takes forever

[clear heath]

the thing hits in an arc and doesn't stop, and animation cancels itself

[sharp ibex]

On damn

Pushes everything miles away

[olive ember]

also because the person in my friend group who runs ogryn can barely survive getting shot at with the shield, much less without it

[sharp ibex]

It's great CC, but killing, eh

[surreal needle]

Shield ogryn is as effective as its team is, if you have a Psyker with a force staff or a zealot with a flamethrower a shield ogryn can just make some specials and waves a joke

[olive ember]

I mean the brace is good for holding down chokepoints basically

[vestal rose]

ogryns as literal doors can be fun
otherwise I do not believe in the shield

[clear heath]

Nah. From testing the damage, it's roughly the same as a heavy (actually more against armor), has infinite cleave, and it's also faster cause animation cancel.
I used to think the same but after trying it, i've realized it isn't worth it to heavy

Zealot special light animation cancels itself and it's stupid

actual brainless weapon

[cyan notch]

orgyns i get just bull charge everytime they see a horde and then get separated and die

[inland sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_4dwF29vu0&t=243s this is me, playing a game on Damnation, with the Zealot crusher, for which there were only 2 other human players in the game, with the Hunting Grounds modifier

all I do is spam special heavy 1

[cyan notch]

me see bad guys me use F

[inland sand]

and it is easy mode

[vestal rose]

well charge after them, silly

[sharp ibex]

You must have been in my game last night

[inland sand]

does way more damage and actually kills thing than special light 1

[clear heath]

oh i thought you meant doing special light and then heavy 2.
Nah special heavy 1 is slow and only hits one target most of the time

[inland sand]

it's 45 minites long and I don't expect u to watch it

but i know what I';m talking about

[sharp ibex]

special H does murder ST (because it hits head)

[vestal rose]

what the hell
why does it have such a large knockback?
why do none of my zealots do this?

[sharp ibex]

Because it's boring to use

[inland sand]

it's broken

and very boring

[vestal rose]

reasonable

[clear heath]

Idk, every zealot i've seen with a crusher literally never uses the special and i have no idea why

like why even bring the weapon if they won't use it?

[sharp ibex]

Also this, I did ask and never get a response