psyker-class

[grave bobcat]

Ohy eah this 1 scenario

[bleak tulip]

[grave bobcat]

Instead

[mental stump]

So what is the primary purpose of the surge staff is it just good for CCing elites?

[grave bobcat]

I could get 60 burste

And be fine anywa

[burnt python]

lmao what is this emote

[clear heath]

to babysit the vet while you hope they actually kill the enemies

[valid lake]

cc that is all

[burnt python]

sad fetal alcohol baby emote

[grave bobcat]

But yeah those servers

[night marten]

that's a great shot right there

[grave bobcat]

were absolute hell

Everything was in slow motion

[mental stump]

and Purgatus staff is damage? Im basically trying to understand what each staff's use case is

[fierce hazel]

pain

[grave bobcat]

F would cast like 10 times before it would actually cast

[fierce hazel]

Horde clear

[wise pecan]

The primary purpose is cc, yeah, but it still can do a good job at killing small packs of armored shooters, even through cover

[valid lake]

oh so to watch vet watch them ignore the guns and rip a PS thru hordes

[night marten]

killing anything near you or teammates, with stagger as a bonus

[burnt python]

the game eating inputs is brutal even on good ping

been bad lately

[grave bobcat]

Yep

[clear heath]

Apparently servers can also get pretty unstable when someone has really shitty internet.
Had a game where this dude kept disconnecting, and every time he disconnected, everyone in the room would rubberband and be unable to move for 3 seconds

[grave bobcat]

I couldn't dodge a crusher cause apparently someone glueed my feet to the floor

it was s obad it killed my mood earlier ll

[lethal plover]

They are all viable.
Purge can horde clear the best, while also keeping dogs away. But the staff can't do much about distant gunmen, or charging mutants.

[burnt python]

special attack them mutis ez

[grave bobcat]

I just swap shit in and out to keep it interesting

[fierce hazel]

Bonk

[grave bobcat]

But i've been enjoying this lasgun a lot today

[burnt python]

bonk (x74), got em

[naive dawn]

That seems to be their servers, I notice a huge chug in the server connection when people join/drop in the game.

[fierce hazel]

Can the bonk stop a charge?

[wise pecan]

That would be hilarious if the bonk could knock them out of their charge

[lethal plover]

We wish

[burnt python]

idk but you should definitely try

[grave bobcat]

And on the clip I even tried to use my F to push them before they hit me -.-

[fierce hazel]

tempting

[burnt python]

and record the attempt

[river sand]

Purgatus is horde clear, void is allround with ok dmg, trauma is cc/dmg but low range and situational, and surge is high cc and ok dmg vs armored

[spiral remnant]

Void has the highest damage

[night marten]

also, don't make the mistake of assuming horde clear is just "killing poxwalkers enmasse"

[river sand]

highest would be purg with a lot of crit

[night marten]

purge kills literally anything that isn't a crusher, enmasse

[river sand]

and even highest dmg is just ok

[spiral remnant]

It does struggle with pox walker hordes backed up by shotgunners

[thick summit]

would you want krieg outfits for psykers too?

[simple junco]

Stuns shotgunners good enough

[night marten]

unless they're in range of the staff, then they die too

[grave bobcat]

Welp back to the Plasteel mines

with functioning curios

[lethal plover]

Just give me a plain gray black robe

[river sand]

but purg has super low range, and is kinda awkward to use. you see nothing ,the stagger kicks in late (on rmb)

[lethal plover]

Spray fast by flicking mouse and you stagger a whole horde

[grave bobcat]

Actually nvm my game wants to crash first lol

[river sand]

but horde arent dangerous, the mixed in elites are dangerous

[lethal plover]

If you can kill the horde for your team, it's easy peasy for them to deal with crushers etc

[stuck bridge]

😋

[night marten]

yes, purge kills all of it, especially fast with communion+KO+AB

[river sand]

i dont say it doesnt have its place, but its not THE best staff

and it has some major drawbakcs

[lethal plover]

well, we are not gonna have best staff discussion for the 9000th time

Never really goes anywhere

[plucky perch]

truama hands down

[clear heath]

so true

[lethal plover]

I can say that, in one pub damnation, I would never have completed it without a force sword for a clutch rez, and a purge for killing countless hordes when it was down to just me
Yet in other matches, I did fine with other loadouts because we had different situations

A surge wouldn't have helped me in that game's hordes, but it is fine for controlling mutants in other matches.

[lucid mortar]

Yep, teammates are frequently left out of the staff discussions

[valid lake]

what you dont want to beat the dead horse of the best staff

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff, surge users booger eaters

[clear heath]

yum

[valid lake]

trauma staff pretty good

[river sand]

trauma isnt half as bad as people think

[pearl delta]

I thought Coruscation staff was just hands down best

[river sand]

true, but most boring

[lucid mortar]

man if they gave us a peril revolver i'd use that

[valid lake]

traumas biggest issure is the high peril cost

[lethal plover]

Trauma can do the spamming at feet thing. 360 push. Pretty neat.
Also sends crushers and dogs flying. And one shots bursters for whatever reason

[lucid mortar]

the revolver is fun af, but ammo requirement is gross

[river sand]

yeah but great killing and cc potential

[valid lake]

my dream plasma pistol and 2 hand force sword

[river sand]

give it just a little bit more range and aoe and 25% less peril and its great

[lethal plover]

Peril management isn't a problem with an axe. It is even a feature with quietitude for toughness regen

[spiral remnant]

I have a 380 revolver 😢

[lucid mortar]

lol I just got one too

[spiral remnant]

I wish it had like 100 rounds reserve

Then it would be useable

[spiral remnant]

It’s my only 380 unfortunately

[wise pecan]

I don’t think I’ll ever use KO, because I’m pretty sure it whacked a daemonhost I couldn’t even see when I was testing it out

[spiral remnant]

How did you get yours?

[night marten]

lmao I never considered that

[lethal plover]

Kinetic overload triggers daemon?

[night marten]

actually a valid point to consider

[burnt python]

sounds fun

[lucid mortar]

Just in the shop, saw a 400 rated green and had to look

[lethal plover]

I would have thought the game disables auto targeting for daemon

[valid lake]

revoler is my go to on zealot if im not using flammer its bugged that the crit stuff on it when empty stacks with melee weapons

[grave bobcat]

I learned that the hard way

[spiral remnant]

Shame

[burnt python]

i swear it was an accident!

[spiral remnant]

Oh damn

[grave bobcat]

I was more shocked

[night marten]

and they're always placed so you have to walk within KO range too

[leaden pier]

does passive peril quell procc quietude?

[night marten]

just bait

[grave bobcat]

Not knowing how tf I did it

[spiral remnant]

I run a revolver and combat knife when I feeling frisky

[wise pecan]

Yeah, you’d think so, but this is fatshark we’re talking about

[spiral remnant]

Combat knife is surprisingly awesome

[valid lake]

yes

[spiral remnant]

Shame the bleed doesn’t do much

[lethal plover]

Yes. It's why axe surge and axe trauma are so good

[burnt python]

same thing works on the auto guns which have more bullets for more crit

[leaden pier]

huh never noticed

[grave bobcat]

F BLEED

ALL MY HOMIES HATE BLEED

Zealots not included

[spiral remnant]

Eyup

It sounds great

But

It only ever works on tanky enemies

And in that case BB Just works better

[grave bobcat]

You kill them faster with the dagger before bleed can even do like 200 dmg anyway

[wise pecan]

Bleed’s biggest use is cheesing bulwarks lol

[lethal plover]

Does anyone else encounter this? May even want to file a bug report if confirmed that KO procs daemon

[spiral remnant]

The worst part is that lacerate procs on non-weak spot hit?

Like what?

Combat knife basically only works if you go for weak spot hits

[burnt python]

doesn't sound like a bug

[spiral remnant]

It’s not

It’s just weird gameplay design

[leaden pier]

isnt bulwarks more susceptible to bleed anyway

[spiral remnant]

Idk bulwarks are pretty easy in my opinion

Same for maulers

Their attacks are super easy to read

[grave bobcat]

the enemy themselves are easy

[lethal plover]

Trauma bug fixed yet?

[leaden pier]

i find they take more damage from bleed when i was just messing around with my bleed knife

[grave bobcat]

Usually getting to them is the weird bit

Unless you just afk BB them

[valid lake]

bullwarks just get annoying if theres other trah around it

[burnt python]

it was a ui bug lmao

[lethal plover]

Oops

[burnt python]

stat page was calculating wrong

[spiral remnant]

Scab shotgunners and gunners are the bane of my existence

[echo parrot]

@grave bobcat think I should dump the plastic needed into this or keep using my other one

[spiral remnant]

Everything else I can handle

[burnt python]

unlucky

[leaden pier]

it still has the wrong peril gain right?

[spiral remnant]

I’d take this

[wise pecan]

I’m not entirely sure that it’s what happened, but I was running KO, there were only little goons around, nobody had LoS on the daemonhost, and then suddenly it was attacking our ogryn. My theories are that it either outright spawned on him, or KO hit it, woke it, and the ogryn was technically closest

[grave bobcat]

Just see what first blessing is at last

See if its worth continuing

[burnt python]

i think it would've attacked you if you hit it

unless soublaze is considered a 3rd party dmg source

[echo parrot]

Fair enough

[spiral remnant]

It’s dumb that plasteel is the bottle neck nowadays

Ridiculous

[lethal plover]

Yeah it's hard to know in a fight where or what triggers the daemon

[spiral remnant]

Let me scrap my purples

I have so many 400-420 purple E gifts

[burnt python]

im hoarding bad oranges in case they let us scrap

[valid lake]

its always the vet

[echo parrot]

Lel

[spiral remnant]

RIP

[wise pecan]

Unless it’s me with surge

Surge will definitely chain onto a sleeping daemonhost

[spiral remnant]

Surge problems…

[wise pecan]

Through the floor

[spiral remnant]

Void strike strong

Purg strong

[grave bobcat]

I joined you and got Deathspitter on my Lasgun. 😦

[echo parrot]

Dunno if that is good or bad

[grave bobcat]

Not the best

[valid lake]

Trauma GOAT

[pearl delta]

as a bad player, i like that surge doesn't hit barrels

[burnt python]

the game insists on giving me the one staff i dont want

[grave bobcat]

Or at least not what I want lol

[spiral remnant]

???

[echo parrot]

Give it to me

[pearl delta]

i don't like that blowing yourself up next to a barrel blows your self up extra hard

[burnt python]

i would gladly share

i have 4 more of these at 370+

[spiral remnant]

I’m jelly

[echo parrot]

Fuck you too

❤️

[spiral remnant]

I’ve got like 3 370+ weapons

[fresh reef]

Dude what the hell how

[burnt python]

but im not a booger eater so i cant use em

[solemn zenith]

hey they penance worked this time

[spiral remnant]

And 2 of them are guns

[grave bobcat]

Pog reloading -.-

[fresh reef]

I haven't seen a 370 in weeks

[grave bobcat]

2 more graveyard submissions

lmao

[wise pecan]

God that blessing is so bad, what the fuck

[spiral remnant]

Oh boy

[echo parrot]

Wonder if I should plastic this on my vert or wait until a 370+ pops up. I have become very stingy with my plastic.

[spiral remnant]

Let me slide

For that 2% reload speed

[solemn zenith]

it decided to proc this time lol

[grave bobcat]

Especially wehn you can get reload speed on a perk lmfao

at 10%? ithink

[simple junco]

Ayy congrats again

[wise pecan]

4% faster reload speed but only for 2s after sliding lmao

[spiral remnant]

I just got mind over matter 3 finally

Got a heresy investigation

[night marten]

sigh... honestly some of these blessings make me thing they straight up ran out of ideas and came up with random, virtually inconsequential additions to the blessing pool to fill it out and pad RNG

[burnt python]

how is that after change? looks fun as hell

[wise pecan]

I just need malleus monstorum for my goggles

[lethal plover]

Is lucius still a worse XII

[spiral remnant]

I’m jelly, im stuck on the explodijg one

[grave bobcat]

It's like stocking fillers 🥲

[spiral remnant]

Pick and mix sounds unfun to do

[simple junco]

Tbh I like helbore just for the sights

[wise pecan]

It hits carapace pretty decently

[night marten]

worse, I don't dread stocking fillers lol

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[wise pecan]

I wrote a guide on steam for that!

[valid lake]

wtf

[simple junco]

Dunno, just don't like the optics on XII

[grave bobcat]

What about the emperors gift 😉

[echo parrot]

Its amazing, provided you can aim. Its orgasmic if you can pop heads.

But yeah dunno if I should plastic it or not

[burnt python]

does uncharged 1 tap low hp elites (shotgunners etc)

[valid lake]

i wish plasma had a sight

[spiral remnant]

Oo send please

[grave bobcat]

think i'll run revolver cause someone brought it up earlier

[simple junco]

The only time I like the XII sight picture is with Vet's ult zoom in

[spiral remnant]

It’s fun

[grave bobcat]

Agreed

[spiral remnant]

Super satisfying to hear the kethunk

[valid lake]

do it its fun

[spiral remnant]

If they like doubled it’s damage it might actually be viable

[grave bobcat]

THIS AINT MY FIRST RODEO

[burnt python]

i need to play with some laspistol that force push is so sick

[spiral remnant]

Rn it’s just bolter but worse in every single way

[grave bobcat]

Cowboy Psyker and me go way back

[spiral remnant]

Run combat knife to complete the set

And 3x stamina curios

[simple junco]

Ah yes, McCree

[grave bobcat]

I was enjoying the FS again so sticking with it

[spiral remnant]

I still haven’t played with FS yet

The single target is nice I hear

[wise pecan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904670927

[grave bobcat]

Has a nice special for nuking single target

And correct blessing makes it really relaxing horde clear

[night marten]

#psyker-class message

[mental rock]

hardest steam achievement? thats funny

[grave bobcat]

Or deflector if you're tired of getting damaged by ranged

I need to try this at some point

[wise pecan]

Less than 1% completion. It’s only rival is “like a four leaf clover,” but that’s not difficult, that’s just grind

[mental rock]

I have a .2% completion

achieve

going out is .9%

[grave bobcat]

@burnt python

[burnt python]

ur trolling

[grave bobcat]

[burnt python]

oh no

you need help

[grave bobcat]

Pog

lmao

[burnt python]

hahaha

ite i want to come

and witness

[grave bobcat]

lmao not doing high int

[burnt python]

boo

[grave bobcat]

While my build is griefing

Randoms aren't ready yet either

[burnt python]

what if... i also grief

[grave bobcat]

No im farming plasteel lmfao

[supple skiff]

Damnation high intensity sounds like a good time

[grave bobcat]

it is

[supple skiff]

Meanwhile pugs struggle with malice lows

[wise pecan]

I think Damnation high intensity is a great time in a premade with comms (and even then, gotta have every role filled with competent players)

[burnt python]

it's not that bad

[lethal plover]

You either get the best pub players or the most annoying ones. There's no in-between

[grave bobcat]

I was gonna say aslong as you got a competent duo wit hyou

All content is doable

[burnt python]

hardest part of damn high int is the game eating 50% of your inputs while a horde is active

[supple skiff]

Lmfao

[simple junco]

Even in pubs Damnation high INT is hilariously chaotic

[supple skiff]

Trying to use a void stuff with phantom inputs is cancer and why I don’t fuck with anything higher than heresy

[orchid nest]

decided to actually look at it and it seems like slaughterer is actually better than bloodthirsty

[lethal plover]

Also I'm leaning towards the idea that pub matchmaking accounts for regions. Cuz I'm abroad and finding games is hard af right now

[supple skiff]

The stomach ulcers will get me before the specials will

[fresh reef]

Is it just me or does the last section of Comms-Plex have a comical amount of shotgunners?

[wise pecan]

My one experience with Damnation high intensity was Investigation. In the final scan section, there was just so much chaff spawning all the time than even Flamer and purgatus were having trouble cutting through it

[burnt python]

them hordes do be thicc

[simple junco]

Any investigation on high intensity is gonna be hell

[lethal plover]

Nowhere is horde clearing more obviously important than endless horde

[simple junco]

Probably the hardest pubs mission

[burnt python]

killing the assassin boss sucks on high int damn too

cus his shield eats all the cleave

[ebon jolt]

My friend in Asia has to use a VPN when playing with me in NA. Otherwise we just play with bots.

[simple junco]

Oh true, you kinda need either a flamer/purg to stand on trash duty and have two people whack away at the shield

[lethal plover]

Thanks for the heads-up

[orchid nest]

didn't steam download region also effect matchmaking for v2? probably the same for this

[wise pecan]

I think the only reason we succeeded on the high intensity Damnation investigation was cause I had the foresight to drop an ammo crate in the final arena. Our flamer had functionally infinite ammo, lol

[candid galleon]

any particular maps that have a good chance of spawning a cluster of elites near the start for a quick Going Out with a Bang?

[wise pecan]

I don’t think this is the best way for going out with a bang

[candid galleon]

what should I do?

[wise pecan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904670927

[raw breach]

Fun Fact: You can get Going Out With A Bang as a Veteran with a Plasmagun

[wise pecan]

This is the second best method

[supple skiff]

What You Must Lack
Any non-cooperative teammates. Do not attempt this Penance without the approval of your team.
Dignity.
Shame.

good guide

[orchid nest]

that is how I did mine, on damnation at the beginning packs. no one was trying to clear damnation yet though really at that point

[wise pecan]

Yeah I was getting successfully matchmade too often to try suiciding at the starting spawns lol

Suffering from success

Dj Khalid

[obsidian sail]

If anyone wants to team up and do penances, im down

[supple skiff]

I would sooner opt for a driped out cash shop cosmetic than give myself a mental illness going for these jacked up penances

[acoustic scaffold]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zsnxhd/psa_the_surge_staff_is_bugged_and_no_longer_crits/
Saw this, is that true?

[supple skiff]

but I ain't giving phat shark another dime so by the grace of those armory cosmetics go I

[clear heath]

It does crit
It just sucks now

[digital narwhal]

Out of curiosity;
So the Trauma Staff is kinda doodoo.
How would you guys buff it?

[wise pecan]

Thank you lol

[raw breach]

Do not attempt this Penance without the approval of your team.
As soon as I gave up on this is when I finally got my penance done

[valid lake]

cue trauma shill

[grave bobcat]

Put it in the bin so purple cant grief with it

[clear heath]

From what i understand, surge crits on flak used to crit based off the default crit mod since it isn't listed in the crit bonus stat, which would be roughly 2x damage.
Now it scales with crit bonus, which is like 0-30% more damage

so crits on surge just suck now

Even tho this shit still isn't listed in the display

[spice oar]

pardon?

[clear heath]

flak wher

[acoustic scaffold]

So that is why the surge was good against flak before?
It was buggy lol

[raw breach]

Instead of using the Combustion Staff damage model from Vermintide 2, replace it with the far superior Coruscation Staff. Leaves flame patches on the ground that burn enemies/apply soulblaze

[spice oar]

swag

[digital narwhal]

I would love another Soulblaze-type Staff
If the Primary fire did slightly less damage, but applied stacks of Soulblaze too, that'd be cool

[wise pecan]

Fair lol, some folks can always get lucky

[valid lake]

purple the tramua shill heres the video he posts when someone shittalks the GOAT staff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvbVMBsF_w

[clear heath]

I got going out with a bang penance by just being bad at the game
clearly a skill issue

too much skill

[wise pecan]

Lmao

[fierce hazel]

Primary selects 1 target and burns them and applies soulfire until they die. Then they explode and do dmg according to %max health. Hire me fatshark

[clear heath]

It was like our first heresy mission and i just panicked cause we were surrounded by elites
Just spammed surge until i blew up and decided to at least die somewhere useful

didn't even know the penance existed

[raw breach]

lol the first minute of the video "look how much damage it does against the horde while the zealot torches it with a flamer

[wise pecan]

What’s funny here is, I’m pretty sure that guy with the Flamer alone could have done all of what this video showcased by himself

[digital narwhal]

Tfw Voidstrike is just better Trauma

[spice oar]

actually pls hire him that blood boil sounds sick

[fierce hazel]

[acoustic spade]

Patch notes said nothing about Quell bug, did they not fix it?

[mortal pendant]

whats the most painless way to get pick n mix penance done?

[valid lake]

its also better plasma

[raw breach]

[grave bobcat]

It's also reallyfucking ,loud if it lands next to you on a huge mob stack

[fierce hazel]

A squad of veterans all using their ult to highlight gunners and such for you

I still haven't got it yet but that sounds heavenly to me

[velvet lodge]

you don't, everyone will prioritize your specials/elites, also getting 5 different in one spot is almost impossible, plus you don't kill them with one Brain Burst

[simple junco]

KB, Damnation, get ambushed by 6 gunners

[valid lake]

vets letting you BB something umm thats unheard of

[raw breach]

BB? You mean Militarum Aim-Assist?

[valid lake]

yep

[supple skiff]

video was like watching a bartender flair for 20 minutes just a pour a gin and tonic

[wise pecan]

Have a vet with bio optic targeting, run private heresy/Damnation games, have them scan the first room for 5 gunners. If you don’t see five, just throw the game and start again. If you do, use two brain bursts, press f, then use 3

[grave bobcat]

you'll get it eventually if you just continue playing t4+ anyays

[supple skiff]

granted being extra just to get half of what a vet does is peak psyker

[clear heath]

Man, watching this guy play psyker for this duo run really made me appreciate how nice Psykinetic's Aura is with Kinetic Barrage
Brain burst seems so good when he does it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q02zVeqFMD0

[orchid nest]

yeah that bridge map is good for beginning spam too. logistratum I think? always confuse it and terminus.

[clear heath]

I like how you can tell exactly what patch he's playing by seeing how the surge staff blinds you

[wise pecan]

Hahahahaha

[crisp yacht]

the dream?

[valid lake]

not a void staff so nope lol

[wise pecan]

That’s basically as close to it as trauma will ever get lol

[near wyvern]

Can't really roll s lot better than that

[grave bobcat]

I hate the dude usiong the flamer next to me rn and I instantly get 3 warp charges all of a sudden -.-

[near wyvern]

Shame trauma is so crap

[crisp yacht]

i bought in case they ever buff it

[grave bobcat]

Patient Gamer

[near wyvern]

You can use it after two years. Shame that reds will probably come out before that but at current ordo docket economy there is no better place to use your dockets than buying stuff like this.

[grave bobcat]

@burnt python Are you attempting that high int rn lol

I wonder what I did today to "unlock" this VIIa variant of the recon lasgun...

Cause today is the first time I've ever seen this type. An now there is 6 in my weaponry

[burnt python]

nah did a high int heresy instead cus i need grims

[grave bobcat]

Fair

[burnt python]

the 5 had grims too, but uhh i actually need the grims so

[lethal plover]

Yeah. I always expected jsat to give the first true solo. Maybe in another month

[wise pecan]

Discord name: json
YouTuber name: j_sat

👀

[grave bobcat]

Its his daughter!

[lethal plover]

How did son turn into daughter

[grave bobcat]

Gender Dysphoria

[wise pecan]

And a lot of money

[grave bobcat]

it's free to put (she/her) in your discord name though

[wise pecan]

Ah true, I was just thinking physically

[grave bobcat]

FISH IS PART OF THE PROBLEm

lmao

Ah alas a Damnation classic...

[orchid nest]

what do you guys think they will do with solo mode? kind of wondering if they will just scale stuff down for it at this point more like drg instead of making the bots really good/customizable

[grave bobcat]

vm

lol

I think its endearing watching a sweet little bot follow the random player and juust implode the moment they touch the floor surrounded by ogryns

[orchid nest]

hahah

yeah I guess they could go full on drg and have a single servitor bot but it doesn't translate quite the same since drg has limited disabling things

[wise pecan]

I suspect that the reason the bots are all vets is that they didn’t have the time/ability to program the other classes to use their abilities properly, while vets can basically just spam it on cd and be fine. Given that, I want to say they’ll probably just reduce spawns?

[orchid nest]

yeah I think so. and making them customizable is probably a lot more work with how characters work vs v2. so probably

it would be cool if you could at least select weapons for them with some kind of ui. like not actual weapon equipping just some box with type options

[glossy hazel]

Thanks Fatshart.

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

Where the FUCK do you think you're going huh?

[simple junco]

That's some prime shenanigans right there

[burnt python]

vroom vroom

[wise pecan]

Really I just hope that some of their priorities get shifted around a bit. They’ll sit there and stare empty-eyed while a dog eats your face, and then stand in the middle of 3 gunners’ going full auto to try and revive you

[lunar hollow]

thats somehow worse than when you get a random mutie spawn between waves and it runs past 3 people to get the person 50 meters behind everyone else

[orchid nest]

yeah it's like the opposite of early v2 bots with any ratling gunner

where they would just hide and never engage it until you were dead

[wise pecan]

Their interactions with dogs are weird. Like, even when there is actually nothing else they could be doing, they’ll still just stare at it for 3+ seconds before walking up and light attack spamming the dog with their heavy sword

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zsp6h6/power_blessings_on_psykers_increase_brainburst/

some intersting finds here

[orchid nest]

so you could get a super bb off with slaughterer if you use kinetic barrage

[long wharf]

"super"

all the buffs for it appear to be additive

instead of multiplicative

[supple skiff]

Have a tier 3 slaughterer FS that I’m going to test with when I get home

Might hit some break points

but this is niche usage at best.

[robust meteor]

i dont like losing a blessing for +power

[supple skiff]

can't say I like the idea of having to juggle warp charges on top of a buff with no ui icon with a 2 second fall off just to one punch something with a BB

[robust meteor]

dont think i'll try that build anytime soon

too many negatives like the ones you mentioned too

[bleak tulip]

well I guess someone had to teach reddit

[robust meteor]

if my team needs me to be able to pump that much damage, we're in trouble from the beginning

[glossy hazel]

A whole 2%, thanks Fatshark.

[subtle linden]

I wish I our bots were oppressive aimbots like the heretics

[supple skiff]

its 16 at max peril apparently

er

stacks for times

[glossy hazel]

Thats still doo-doo

[supple skiff]

so 8 in that case

not wrong

[drowsy fog]

The hell even is "power"

[supple skiff]

but if thats global for BB

[subtle linden]

Up to usually refers to a ceiling/top point and does not exceed. So it should be reworded

[robust meteor]

i guess it wouldn't stack if it could be on primary and secondary

[long wharf]

total damage output

[subtle linden]

[supple skiff]

and you can get 2 with max tier

might be something to that

time for some copium induced theory crafting

[subtle linden]

I will say after playing my vet a little bit

[bleak tulip]

power is just a general damage bonus to everything

[subtle linden]

I hate their slow stamina regen timer

[supple skiff]

fuck me

unstable power only rolls on FS

[robust meteor]

oh la la this is starting off nice

[bleak tulip]

I think some more things too but that matters less

[lethal plover]

Damage, cleave, stagger
Formula unknown

[supple skiff]

can't have shit in tertium

[peak jacinth]

does the psyker protectorate have the throwing knives or is that the other subclass

[drowsy fog]

The other one

Protectorate is zappy hands and dome

[supple skiff]

hmm

if power is global, might be interesting to see if you can trigger slaughterer from other damage sources

with FS out, or whatever

[peak jacinth]

zappy hands in grenade slot seems interesting

[simple junco]

Like if you apply soulblaze and pull out the FS?

[supple skiff]

yeah

[bleak tulip]

not that I know, also you only have 2 seconds until slaughterer runs out

but I think slaughterer also is only active while the sword is out

[simple junco]

Does each kill refresh slaughterer?

[drowsy fog]

I use purg, I never stop applying soulblaze

[bleak tulip]

yes

[simple junco]

In theory, just set off a six charge AB in a crowd and forget about it

[bleak tulip]

you can do that but thats a lot of work for still somewhat mediocre and slow damage

[supple skiff]

brainstorming a needlessly complex wombo combo here

with minimal returns, but could be neat to pull off

[bleak tulip]

6 charge AB with some power modifier kills elite gunners apparently but ya know, slowly

[simple junco]

If it gets buffed, maybe? In practice it's just pressing F at a horde and joining the frontline in jolly cooperation

[drowsy fog]

I don't need a Frontline against hordes

[simple junco]

Yeah that's true, especially if you're already running purg

[bleak tulip]

AB needs to be a better stack generator and soulblaze needs to tick faster and scale up faster tbh

[simple junco]

Tbh, with how it works, meleeing AB targets is already the play for generating stacks lol

[bleak tulip]

currently AB only really reliably generates stacks when you blast like 20 trash at a time

[supple skiff]

warp battery, 6 stacks WC, max slaughterer and unstable power stacks ult for fast BB and see if you can do meaning ful extra damage

[bleak tulip]

at least in my experience

[hardy lily]

sum dean twong?

[clear heath]

Considering it's 10%, that's actually only like 2 stacks on average

[simple junco]

On average, it could be much worse if we're talking true stats

[devout axle]

Getting back 2 stacks is better than getting back none. Unfortunately, in practice, you rarely even get back 2 because they have to die TO the burning effect,

[bleak tulip]

yeah, and even though it works in the meat grinder, you cant get stacks from them just burning and dying to other stuff, so you gotta kill em with SB and that shit just sucks with how slow it ticks

[devout axle]

Which means it has anti-synergy with your team killing everything before the burn does

[drowsy fog]

I always get max stacks immediately after ulting. Theory and practice are not the same

[simple junco]

This is proven false, they can die with soulblaze on them and it'll give you the stacks. Thing is, it needs to be your direct damage that kills them, or another psyker's flame.

[hardy lily]

Don't get why people like ascendants blaze

[devout axle]

Which, again, has anti-synergy with your team killing everything before your burn does.

[simple junco]

Yep. That's the downside of realizing how it works lol

#psyker-class message Here's proof if you need it

[drowsy fog]

Only one that does anything useful for me. I don't use bb and I don't need to ult often

[bleak tulip]

would be nice if someone could prove that this actually works in missions because I couldnt get it to work

[hardy lily]

Brain burst cast speed makes it actually useable

[devout axle]

Might as well run Psychic Communion, which, while not great, is still a better charge generating perk than AB.

[bleak tulip]

but I also only tried one mission and I am not a purg gamer

[simple junco]

I get why people use it, but it's just not for me. KB 5ever

[drowsy fog]

Makes is baseline usable, still don't use it

[simple junco]

Are missions a separate instance to the meat grinder? I'd assume they're the same, if not extremely similar, fields.

[hardy lily]

Should, it's psykers job to kill crushers and preferably snipe gunners and snipers

[simple junco]

Unless you're referring to teammates proccing AB

[drowsy fog]

Lol no it's not

[bleak tulip]

there has been instances where things work in the MG but not in missions and vice versa

[hardy lily]

If your Veteran is bringing Bolter to kill Crushers they are throwing a massive amount of DPS down the drain for that

[bleak tulip]

so I wouldnt exclude the possibility

[drowsy fog]

Anyone can do those things

[simple junco]

It's a secondary objective. Their primary is CC and damage control lol

[hardy lily]

You act like there isn't times you alternate

[simple junco]

Huh, this is news. Wanna hop in a T1 private game and try it out later?

[bleak tulip]

its 1 am

so no, sorry

still gotta go to work tomorrow :s

[drowsy fog]

I never alternate. If there's a crusher they're in my flames too

[devout axle]

Time for lag hour. Yaaaaaaay

[simple junco]

Ah, no worries. I'll do some testing on it tomorrow afternoon lol

[hardy lily]

Zealot has to use Chastise + Flamer if they run dagger for Crushers

Veteran wants to run Power Swords + XII so they'd have to melee inefficiently

[drowsy fog]

Zealot doesn't have to use anything they can do what they want

No one HAS to equip anything

[hardy lily]

Ok cool let's talk optimal not free spirited deer RP

[drowsy fog]

Optimal is a waste of time

[devout axle]

Optimally, I still use the Shredder Pistol on my Zealot.

[leaden dune]

how much you wanna bet that this thing will be nowhere to be seen when I get to level 30

[devout axle]

Optimally, I like using a chainsword on my Psyker.

[bleak tulip]

keep it for later

just in case

[leaden dune]

can't afford it either way

[drowsy fog]

Optimally, have fun, that's what games are for

[bleak tulip]

rip

do weeklies

[simple junco]

Optimally, every class has a primary and secondary role to fill based on their class and weapon choice. That being said, running laspistol and knife is fun.

[drowsy fog]

Anyone tells you you have to equip this or that you block them

[bleak tulip]

deflector is rare

[leaden dune]

i'll have 1.4k once my weeklies are done so

no way

[bleak tulip]

f

[vapid brook]

i'm trying to get one with deflector and the game is like.. no

[simple junco]

Or the coveted "If you don't use X you're wrong"

[drowsy fog]

Exactly

[hardy lily]

Nobody has a job, just join a pub and explore the map, you don't need to play the same game man, you can just RP a health inspector

[devout axle]

Optimally, I'm going to run whatever I want to use because I enjoy those weapons, and not give a fuck about what other people think.

[simple junco]

Congrats, you're doing what you need to lol. I'm also the wrong guy to reply to

[midnight violet]

asking experienced psykers, what do you think is important for curios, in regards health, toughness, wounds stamina etc.

[devout axle]

Health. All the health.

[supple skiff]

if folks care about what your running they can form a fucking premade

[wise pecan]

I run one toughness, one health, one wounds, and am generally fine even on Damnation

[hardy lily]

Hey play with your feet while drunk and sing k pop in your low quality mic while using weapon animations that make it look like you're stroking it, blow up all the barrels to try to kill teammates, be your best self

[simple junco]

Depends on who you ask. Most of us run +1 wounds and 2 toughness or health, depending on how you play

[midnight violet]

good to know

[sour olive]

average emperor's gift

[devout axle]

Toughness = Too many things break it instantly
Wounds = Useless if you don't go down multiple times between medstations
Stamina = Irrelevent since one of Psykers only actually good perks makes their block cost Peril

Health is the only optimal stat

[midnight violet]

what determines which oine is more important?

[simple junco]

Wounds = I don't want to stare at desaturation if I make a mistake

[drowsy fog]

Having fun= griefing, makes sense

[simple junco]

If you generate a lot of toughness through melee, go toughness. If you want a bigger safety net in case shit hits the fan, run health.

[bleak tulip]

toughness, toughness, toughness (or wound for comfort)

[sour olive]

usually wound users get down at spots that's impossible to pick up

[maiden sleet]

is this worth getting

[sour olive]

which means git gud

[wise pecan]

Consider: taking one +wounds means that even if you go down just once, you don’t get the desaturation effect. Therefore, one +wounds is BIS

[simple junco]

That's a take and a half lol

[bleak tulip]

I would get it just for surge, that one is rare and might be good sometime in the future

[wise pecan]

Because desaturation = psychological damage to me

[simple junco]

I just don't wanna squint because my staff is unbearable when desaturated

[hardy lily]

Yeah one wound might be worth just for forced health resetting

[maiden sleet]

Yeah I might reroll for some crit chance just to use surge on it

[bleak tulip]

@maiden sleet transfer peril unfortunately only works with trauma left click so its basically a waste too

[maiden sleet]

I'll hold onto it till crafting for blessings is released but that'll be a long time lol

[solemn zenith]

what happens when you charge the lighting staff? just more damage?

[simple junco]

Oh! Kinda important, try to prioritize gunner resistances on curios. It's not necessary, but you'll thank yourself later when you get ambushed by 6 gunners on T5

[midnight violet]

some varied opinions, but interesting. thanks all

[bleak tulip]

gunner resist only applies to elite gunners

5 of them are gonna be a rare thing to get jumped by

also doesnt work on shotgunners

[hardy lily]

All staves damage is affected by charge other than purgatus

[simple junco]

I see a squad of 5-6 nearly every T5

[midnight violet]

lol yeah i do value that perk

[wise pecan]

Rare but not impossible. Speaking from experience lol

[simple junco]

Can we trade games? I think mine hates me then

[bleak tulip]

either way I personally wouldnt worry about the, the real killers are shotgunners anyway and theyre always in there with them

[steel flame]

Jesus Melk this is just sad

[simple junco]

I wonder what actions cause which elites to spawn

[wise pecan]

I’m open to it, I’ve already got pick n mix lol

[hardy lily]

It might be the case that corruption resist can act as another life by blocking revive damage...

[wise pecan]

I don’t think so

[simple junco]

Like, I know getting separated can cause a dog/mutant to spawn

[maiden sleet]

Melk has wonderful distribution for modifiers lol

[hardy lily]

I saw someone playing with +3 wounds +15 corruption resist and he didn't lose a full bar of HP after downing over and over

[simple junco]

Maybe the +3 wound ogryn was onto something

[bleak tulip]

all I can tell you is that it changes depending on difficulty, the game absolutely just throws CC at you in hordes at 4-5, as you likely noticed

happens a lot less in 3

[hardy lily]

So yeah I think corruption resist is bis

[simple junco]

True. Idk, I notice a lot less gunners show up when we don't have vets.

But more crushers when we have 2 zealots

[hardy lily]

When toughness Regen gets fixed probably toughness/Regen/corruption

[steel flame]

the game director can toss whatever the hell he wants at you,

[sour olive]

remember, downing is gay

[night marten]

I think

Melk is trying bribe me

to change my discord name

[burnt python]

wait why is corrupt resist good?

[hardy lily]

Where do I sign up

[steel flame]

wow melk

[burnt python]

nice fs

[steel flame]

screw you

[maiden sleet]

Daemonhost and the beast of nurgle slime

[steel flame]

GET BETTER STUFF MELK

[simple junco]

True, I just wonder what the limit is. There is literally nothing stopping it from spawning 3 mutants, 2 dogs, and a beast of nurgle

[steel flame]

ive had 3 monstrosities back to back to back once

[leaden pier]

dont forget when the beast gets "friendly"

[simple junco]

Same. Those things are fine by themselves

It's whatever spawns with it that sucks

[bleak tulip]

I found corruption to not matter at all once you stop running into the stupid

[digital narwhal]

For Sustained Fire, do Staff Secondary Fires count as being in a Salvo, say if I use a Voidstrike and use one secondary after another?

[hardy lily]

It's not just monstrosity that makes corruption good, works for snipers tox flamers tox bursters and tox hounds

[bleak tulip]

if you feel like you need corruption resist imma call that a skill issue

[hardy lily]

And of course grimoire runs

[bleak tulip]

grim resist is separate

[hardy lily]

They are the same stat but one is specifically for grimoires only

The general corruption resist works on grimoires

[simple junco]

Do people pick up grims past T3?

[bleak tulip]

not usually

since it doesnt do shit

[hardy lily]

For fun

[simple junco]

"fuck it we ball" hours

[hardy lily]

Did a bunch of T4 hound grimoires yesterday, was fun

[solemn zenith]

what happens when you charge the lighting staff? just more damage?

[hardy lily]

More damage yeah

[drowsy fog]

Picking up grimoires is griefing, instant reroll on that contract ugh

[burnt python]

lmao it is not griefing come on

[simple junco]

Eh, I just reroll them anyway because I don't feel like doing T3

[drowsy fog]

If they were worth anything like vt2

[lethal plover]

Eh..... I highly doubt this ....

[drowsy fog]

Extra money and exp.... wowwwww I totally need that

[night marten]

I was in a grimoire mission earlier. I don't go out of my way to pick them up, but some other guy was, and then accused me of trying to speedrun the mission.. had to explain grimoires are in fact a race against time, so they just said "cool"..

[sour olive]

I usually go for stamina regen and block efficiency

than corruption

[simple junco]

A squad of 6 vs 2 is a pretty big difference to notice lol. Everyone has a different experience, and that seems to be mine

[long wharf]

welp, found my new void staff

[simple junco]

Seems consistent enough to make a note of it

[hardy lily]

My experience is the AI chooses what they are going to spam and that's the archetype

[night marten]

yes you fucking did

[long wharf]

which perk should I reroll?

[night marten]

elites imo

[bleak tulip]

elites

[long wharf]

that's what I figured

[night marten]

you're more focused on the horde flak guys anyway with void

[long wharf]

yep

[lethal plover]

My experience is getting surrounded by a lot of gunners in a 3 psyker team so no idea

[simple junco]

Yikes. Yeah, I was also wondering what actually spawns these things too

[long wharf]

how about 10% ranged damage to groaners and poxwalkers, aka the horde?

[hardy lily]

I love it when the AI decides to spawn 3 hordes behind you without warning

[bleak tulip]

saves you a minimal amount of charge but there isnt really anything much better

[hardy lily]

Like 1 inch away

[drowsy fog]

Always listen for dem sound cues

[lethal plover]

Anyway, using a VPN to NA at 180ms ping, the game still plays quite fine (just that melee animations are fucked)

[simple junco]

This is a certified purgatus moment

[long wharf]

I could go for +5% ranged crit chance

[bleak tulip]

void crit is pretty bad tbh

[long wharf]

is it?

[bleak tulip]

yea

[hardy lily]

Just change elites to headshot or unarmored

[long wharf]

headshot perk?

[hardy lily]

Yeah

[bleak tulip]

you only get a base 5% from class

[drowsy fog]

Pfft of course vets get more

[bleak tulip]

I mean it does make sense, theyre the headclickers

so crit weakspot damage is something theyre actually meant to get

[drowsy fog]

I know it makes sense I'm just gonna take every opportunity to trash talk vets that I can lol

[clear heath]

wtf a mutant dragged me into the shadow realm

And of course when i try to alt f4 and reconnect, the game disconnects while trying to rejoin and boots me from the strike team

thx fatshark

[drowsy fog]

Shadow wealm*

[bleak tulip]

DOOR STUCK

[silent trout]

I mean weak spot damage increase yeah, leave us the extra crit chance, throw a dog a bone and all that

[bleak tulip]

I think our bone was surge getting the highest crit rate

which is another hilarious joke by fatshark

[long wharf]

now we just need the crit damage to be put back

[lethal plover]

Surge crits eh

[lucid mortar]

Hmmmmm buy?

[robust sequoia]

anybody got any pointers to not be useless on Levels 4-5

[clear heath]

kill

[lethal plover]

Have you tried peril axe 🪓

[robust sequoia]

I have no idea what this means

[clear heath]

peril block feat

[simple junco]

Learn to read audio cues, learn to dodge, and play your life is a good start

[lethal plover]

#psyker-class message

[clear heath]

peril block axe is abusing the fact that you can spam a good push attack with your stamina, and you still block cause peril block
Also peril block is just busted in general

[bleak tulip]

its also boring as sin but hey

people also play surge

[simple junco]

Tru

[bleak tulip]

so whatever I guess

[lethal plover]

I'm just amazed this thing is not mainstream yet

[clear heath]

I still use force sword cause it's cooler

but it's definitely less effective

I just tell myself that it's worth it cause deflector revives

[lethal plover]

It can be clutch for that one revive yeah

[warped perch]

Love it when I die getting mauled by a hound and everyone is right there not in combat but not paying attention

[bleak tulip]

it takes people a long time to learn things like that, same as people only recently catching on that slaughterer is undefeated BiS for everything that has it

[drowsy fog]

Invincible revives do feel great

[simple junco]

I have a feeling that peril block axe might be nerfed

[clear heath]

maybe they'll just change the passive quell on non-force weps

it'd still be good anyways

[simple junco]

Oh true, I hope it stays in play somehow

[clear heath]

unless they nerf it all the way to force sword tier quell

[lethal plover]

It would be hard to make it useless

[covert cosmos]

Just make the feats it has to compete with better

[clear heath]

There's a lot of psyker feats that should be buffed

[drowsy fog]

They'll nerf it by making fgs infinitely better

[simple junco]

Yeah, all it has to compete with is a near useless movement speed buff when quelling and ranged resistance

[clear heath]

most of the psyker builds are almost the same except purg

[simple junco]

Nah, BB build feels way different from AB

But other than that, yeah

[drowsy fog]

Oh I thought we were talking about nerfing the axe

[clear heath]

i said except purg builds

[simple junco]

Oh, misinterpreted that lol

[clear heath]

there's basically like 2 builds the class has
purg and non-purg

[simple junco]

Give psykers a power sword and we won't have to worry about the axe

[lethal plover]

I mean, as a vet, i only really switch between Lasgun and plasma/bolter build

[subtle linden]

Antax mk5 is the true emperor

[bleak tulip]

the only levels where there isnt a clear winner for best talent are 5 and maaaybe 15

depending on who you ask

[shut thorn]

emperor could modify people's perception of him so who's to say he didn't actually use antax mk v

[lethal plover]

Power sword with peril block would be imba

[drowsy elbow]

My pskyer is only 18 rn, what's the consensus?

[simple junco]

Point stands, they won't have to nerf the axe lol

[bleak tulip]

x21133, generally

[simple junco]

(but seriously. why is the power sword so good)

[bleak tulip]

unless you play purg

[simple junco]

I have a shitty level 14 one and it oneshots damnation poxwalkers

[lethal plover]

You're kinda average until you get peril block at 20.
But even then, at lower difficulties, Brain burst is quite damaging

[covert cosmos]

2nd 15 feat is insanely strong

[simple junco]

Oh aura? Yeah it's great

[bleak tulip]

class cooldowns are so low that I never take it tbh

[simple junco]

If you're running KB, it's like night and day

[lethal plover]

Same. I always have ult when I need to make a teamplay moment

[bleak tulip]

with a 2 minute class cooldown its 8 seconds

[covert cosmos]

Id kill for more ult uptime

[bleak tulip]

and only in coherency, so you likely just feed it to the vet

[covert cosmos]

On any class

[simple junco]

15% of 2 minutes is 18 seconds tho

[bleak tulip]

did I math wrong

sure

that checks out

its nearly 2 am

[simple junco]

No worries lol, but yeah it adds up with how many elites there are on T5

[bleak tulip]

either way I dont personally respect it at all

Id rather get free damage

[covert cosmos]

Give my zealot more AP bullets please

Feeding him more ults is prob more DMG than yous get from more warp charges

And 25% attack speed buff on ogryn?

[bleak tulip]

isnt that still broken

[covert cosmos]

If you don't use cleaver yes

[solemn zenith]

ah fuck me was 24 secs away from warp battery oofers needed one more kill

[simple junco]

Doesn't zealot also have an attack speed bonus on ult?

[bleak tulip]

either way, there is a chance you aint even give it to the zealot depending on the engagement

[lethal folio]

Zealot just has crit, armour pen and bonus damage

[bleak tulip]

coherency is what, 25 meters

[simple junco]

It's p far for what it is

[lethal folio]

His t30 adds some speed

[bleak tulip]

yeah but who isnt taking purge the wicked on 30

[simple junco]

I take purge with a KB build tbh

o gotcha

[covert cosmos]

Gimme those 2 charges

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah also class abilities are like 30 seconds tops

for some reason I thought it was more

vet's is 25s @drowsy fog

more rage fuel for you

[supple skiff]

with like zero up time depending lol

[bleak tulip]

all classes are 30s, ver is 25

either way it doesnt feel worth to take psy aura to me but I wouldnt say its bad by any means

[simple junco]

Vets also refreshes with every kill right?

[bleak tulip]

fuck if I know

[clear heath]

Honestly after using it, i've realized aura is really nice.
It's actually only really helpful for yourself tho

[bleak tulip]

I stopped playing vet at lv 9 because I got bored

[orchid nest]

the aura feels pretty good with barrage. I do it sometimes, only way bb ever feels decent to use together

[clear heath]

Brain burst becomes a lot more useful with aura and KB.
You're also helping how often you get to quell cause of your F

[static epoch]

i use that and cdr most of the time

[clear heath]

Might be less relevant as a voidstrike user because BB probably competes with the staff anyways, but for surge it feels really useful

[static epoch]

one pull of elites you get to use your F twice

[lethal plover]

True. Aura and barrage go well

Assuming the vet doesn't just ks

[fierce hazel]

BB rounds out purg staff

[static epoch]

it's just so handy cause your F can literally save your team mate any time if you're quick enough

30m is crazy far

[jovial frigate]

do yall run 6 warp charge stacks with purg?

[clear heath]

Taking like 4 seconds off a 30 second cooldown is huge when you think about it

Although psyker and zealot is probably the only class that cares about it

[bleak tulip]

cdr is 12% max from curios which is a whopping 6 seconds

[clear heath]

vet just has perma uptime anyways

[bleak tulip]

doesnt feel super worth to me tbh

[jovial frigate]

if u want cdr just run the elite killer feat t b h

[bleak tulip]

but maybe thats just transfer peril speaking, I dont really mash F off cooldown

[orchid nest]

yeah when I take aura it's always with kb and under the assumption it's for self use. others don't even seem to notice after asking them

[bleak tulip]

especially since elite kills get significantly harder starting with heresy

[jovial frigate]

i was running ||gunpsyker|| with the cdr on elite kill and the level 30 cdr feat. it was fun for like 2 matches

[lethal plover]

That's the purg meta. When you face the biggest hordes, on top of purg, it will wipe the whole horde

[bleak tulip]

eventually

[jovial frigate]

felt like a baby vet except my ult was more useful for my team

[covert cosmos]

Purge will wipe a horde with 0 stacks

Purge master race

[lethal plover]

It's a difference of ttk
You kill horde faster, your team can focus on elites faster

[rancid holly]

hey! can anyone help with Malleus Monstronum penance?

[jovial frigate]

purg does ok dam, but god damn having to find chokes 24 7 so i dont get lasered by broken ass dreg gunners like 21 meters away aint fun

[oblique torrent]

I CRAFT THIS TODAY

[timber shale]

imo 6 stacks is unnecessary in a blaze build

[bleak tulip]

people like it because it makes AB not as shit but its still not fantastic imo

[jovial frigate]

wel what else do u run cus if u burn a horde youre instantly at 4 stacks anyway

bb i guess but idk

[bleak tulip]

waiting for dots to kill shit in a game this fast feels like a waste

[lethal plover]

The game actually makes it so that zombies block bullets so there's some minor relief. But ideally you want to keep the horde away from vet who is busy killing the gunmen

[bleak tulip]

like even if theyre spread out I can kill a horde faster with void than a purg can with AB, and most of the staff damage comes from direct damage anyway

[jovial frigate]

im a voidstriker but i will admit with high enough crit purg be turning things to dust in a couple seconds

[timber shale]

either of the other two options are fine. It's basically just that, while 6 stacks will clear a horde, you can also just burn that horde down with your purg staff, or drop a 4 stack ult on them and follow up with purg staff, and get the same results

[jovial frigate]

a couple as in like 2-3

[bleak tulip]

would be sad if they couldnt, thats the one thing purg has going for it

[timber shale]

besides, your ult is better as an "oh shit" button than for clearing hordes

[bleak tulip]

it doesnt have range, it kinda sucks against melee elites

really sucks against crushers

[lethal plover]

One quick spray can stager horde in wide angle around you. Void takes longer when surrounded from multiple angles

[bleak tulip]

if you get surrounded you already fucked up

[jovial frigate]

i've only played like 7 games with purg since i got the godroll staff but pretty much yeah, if i see a rager make it through my flame cloud i just ult and then they die in a soulblaze tick

[bleak tulip]

also void can back dodge while charging and still kill shit even in melee

same as purg

[timber shale]

true, but if your run is going smoothly and nobody is making mistakes, it doesn't really matter what build you run

[remote tusk]

the game isnt hard if you have a good team. All our sticks are damnation viable, and excel in different situations.

[lethal plover]

A lot of ideas like that.
Like why need clutch rez, if someone is downed we are fucked.
True, but being able to recover from bad situations is pretty necessary in strategy

[bleak tulip]

I mean it still matters that purge lacks the range to deal with snipers that shoot you through a horde, which void can deal with

[bleak tulip]

sure, but as I said purg isnt exclusive in its ability to make space when surrounded, its just arguably the best at it

[simple junco]

Technically psykers always have the tools to deal with them

[timber shale]

press F, horde falls down burning while you calmly brain burst the sniper

[jovial frigate]

imma voidstriker at heart but until the game gives me a staff to match these two im in these camps for a bit

[lethal plover]

True. I'm pretty trained to BB sniper and bomber

[lethal folio]

Blaze also kills all the elite gunners that happen to be in the room.

[spiral remnant]

Lord I’m jealous

[spiral remnant]

Ehhh

Scab shotgunners will FUCK you up

[bleak tulip]

or play void and do it while horde clearing at the same time, and you dont even have to F

[lethal folio]

Not if they are dead

[simple junco]

Different tools, different methods lol

[timber shale]

scab shotgunners mixed into a horde will fuck you up. Scab shotgunners surrounded by charred corpses are easy to mop up

[jovial frigate]

dreg shotgunners are as bad as dogs sometimes

[hardy lily]

Yeah I don't get the obsession with ascendant blaze

[jovial frigate]

they ONLY appear when youre quelling/sprinting/swapping

[hardy lily]

4 stacks is trash damage

[lethal folio]

6 is god damage

[cyan notch]

theres no resist against shotgunners too

[bleak tulip]

I just wish AB generated more stacks, then it wouldnt feel so bad to go for 6 stacks

[hardy lily]

But yet people who run ascendants blaze will also run bb on attack

[lethal plover]

It's a matter of taste. The further the horde are, the more effective void is. When surrounded or in close quarters the geometry makes me prefer purge and trauma

[jovial frigate]

i would be 60% shotgunner if there was

[timber shale]

i wouldn't say there's an obsession with it, it's just one of like 3 decent build paths we have right now, so ofc it gets talked about a lot

[hardy lily]

Obsession mean people outright claiming it's the best build

[bleak tulip]

are they?

[remote tusk]

soulblaze in general feels a bit undertuned. Doing 2 stacks on a crit with the sword blessing isnt exactly mind blowing

[bleak tulip]

I dont think anyone is claiming its the best build here

[lethal plover]

There's a best build?

[lethal folio]

Dots are massively skewed towards high stack damage

[simple junco]

Also with the staff. It's pretty good if you run a crit purg

[bleak tulip]

yeah dots need to be adjusted to actually do fuckin anything on lower stacks

[lethal plover]

I only hear that from some surge players who insist surge is best for damnation

[bleak tulip]

2 damage for once SB stack is absolutely laughable

[timber shale]

yeah, blazing spirit is a terrible blessing, but that doesn't mean soulblaze builds are bad

just don't use that blessing lol

[simple junco]

181 damage for 15 stacks is pretty good tho

[jovial frigate]

i dont think anyone except memetubers are saying soulblaze is the best, if youre minmaxing and not being a zapper in some form then your armpits dont even smell like onions yet

[lethal folio]

Slaughterer blessing also scales your soulblaze.

[remote tusk]

We have the "my stick best stick" civil war on this channel every night, with people swearing that anyone not using their prefered stick has a congenital birth defect.

[simple junco]

Knife supremacy

[hardy lily]

At least people agree on trauma

[lethal plover]

Obviously trauma who can do 360 push is best

[jovial frigate]

trauma is cute

[simple junco]

Trauma is the underdog, we kinda gotta agree there

[bleak tulip]

I assume it does keep the damage bonus for subsequent ticks after slaughterer decays right?

[hardy lily]

If trauma did the damage it says in the stat page it wouldn't be utter trash

[bleak tulip]

or does it change on the fly

[remote tusk]

shh. The Trauma Clan can hear you

[lethal folio]

No it d9esnt snapshot

[warped perch]

They really need to tune down shooters

[bleak tulip]

sad

[lethal folio]

The burn kills the hordes and then you have slaughterer buff for the elites

[warped perch]

Every enemy with a gun has like 100% accuracy

It’s ridiculous

[lethal plover]

Bah. 500 is plenty for trauma to oneshot trash zombies without having to headshot

[hot tulip]

SB should apply rendering

[hardy lily]

Discount surge mixed with discount Voidstrike 😂

[lethal plover]

rendering.
yes that's what my GPU does

[hot tulip]

yes im glad

it would be funny if it didnt

[fresh reef]

what feat do you guys take on level 25 for AB Purg build?

[lethal plover]

it's an argument. I prefer 6 stacks.

[simple junco]

For an AB build? Depends, 6 stacks or KO

[fresh reef]

not flayer?

[hot tulip]

yeeeeaaaah really depends if u are good with stack maintenance

flayer is just safer overall

[fresh reef]

the 10% passive seems very inconsistent for me

[lethal folio]

Warp battery is the only choice for ascendant blaze

[simple junco]

It's more of a QOL skill, if you're good at upkeep it's not required

Warp battery powercharges your F and KO lets you right click more

[hardy lily]

The brain burst is... Sometimes nice for random attacks but it's mostly for automatic stacks of warp charges

[simple junco]

Oh also, 6 stacks is great for peril resistance if you run that route

[fresh reef]

peril res isn't really too valuable on purg, is the issue there

[simple junco]

I'd recommend it solely for the fact it makes BB more usable in a pinch

[lethal plover]

peril res is always valuable for peril block

[fresh reef]

paradoxically neither is the 15% damage boost due to purg's low damage, and Wrack and Ruin is just..bad lol

[hardy lily]

I wish there was a different 25 feat because I don't like any of them

[hot tulip]

also really depends on ur trust 5 talent

for ab purge build

[simple junco]

Then run Flayer and be done with it lol

[fresh reef]

that's affected by block efficiency and peril res?

[hot tulip]

what did u take

[hardy lily]

Peril resist is not good for blocking if you're not using force sword

[lethal plover]

i was not referring to the block itself, but lower peril before you block means you can block more

someone should really test what peril block is affected by

[hardy lily]

I can block a full horde in Damnation without peril resist with dueling sword

[fresh reef]

ab purg build
"what did you take on F5"

[lethal plover]

horde isn't the biggest problem for peril block

it's when ragers and stuff are mixed in

[hot tulip]

wtf?

yes because if you are getting stacks, you can make an argument for essence harvest

[lethal plover]

or when you deflector FS

[hot tulip]

if not then WA would be good for AB blaze

[simple junco]

It's a valid question based on your WC gain or quell

[hardy lily]

Ragers don't do shit, I have a limit of crushers but maulers will kill you

[lethal plover]

generally peril is a hard thing to appreciate. it affects your uptime and survival time

[hardy lily]

Maulers straight up pierce all block

[fresh reef]

ah my b, brain interpreted trust 5 as feat tier 5

[simple junco]

Certified spacebar moment

[fresh reef]

I run quietude regardless of build

[hot tulip]

oh, no

[hardy lily]

Quietude is the right call

[hot tulip]

ya its not bad

[lethal plover]

it doesn't pierce blocks.
I have blocked crushers and maulers overhead swings before. they just kinda consume all your resources and you often get chip damage

[remote tusk]

quietude feels so good on a staff /nonforce melee loadout

[hardy lily]

With peril block you can just hold block and Regen toughness

Busted shit

[plain mesa]

should i pick up this duelling sword? i normally use force sword but the stats on this seem pretty good

[hardy lily]

Mauler overhead swing or rush swing? Two different attacks, one is from distance

[lethal plover]

overhead

the slowest attack

[hardy lily]

I'm talking the charge one break

[fresh reef]

personally can't vouch for mk4, but the stats seem good

[hardy lily]

The one from distance

[lethal plover]

hard to know what you mean, their attacks track from distance

[hardy lily]

One is a slow saunter, the other is a power walk

[remote tusk]

lol

[lethal plover]

the only thing that can throw my peril block off would be lack of resources or some kind of push (like from assassin boss)

[alpine portal]

From store? yah from coin shop ask some one else 🙂

[remote tusk]

MkII duelling sword seems like the most popular one?

[lethal plover]

melk's shop has never given me anything of value

[valid lake]

melks is a scam

[hardy lily]

Mk V for best heavy and best distance movement

[lethal plover]

j_sat uses mk V

[remote tusk]

seems like they intend melk's shop to be a catchup mechanic rather than a source of good endgame gear

[lethal plover]

mk V has best mobility and heavy yeah

[void hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/you-my-beloved-you-my-beloved-ily-gif-22069713

[magic hull]

should i keep this crit perk

last time somebody told me to roll to crit perks

[simple junco]

Ehhh, you should probably aim for the ranged crit chance perk

Reason being, every crit gives an extra stack of Soulblaze. Maximizing that chance is probably what they were getting at.

[magic hull]

welp time to reroll 150 times

[whole thunder]

beast

yay or nay? i wish it had atleast 1 decent perk so i can reroll the other

[ornate hamlet]

[ornate hamlet]

This is good

Quell speed is arguably the most important stat in damnation. You aren’t there to do a ton of damage

You’re there for cc

[valid frigate]

I saw a guy shooting flames from his hands, I wanna do that. Bow do I do that.

[magic hull]

fire stick

[valid frigate]

Fire stick?

[bleak tulip]

fire stick

[echo timber]

fire stick

like the lighting stick but fire

[valid frigate]

I am so fucking confused rn

[echo timber]

its a staff, you have to unlock it by leveling

[valid frigate]

What level

[whole thunder]

awesome ty

[echo timber]

i think i finally unlocked it around 15-20

i forget

[valid frigate]

Thanks! Here is a cupcake:🧁

[echo timber]

someone on reddit said around 25

[whole thunder]

im guessing im better off rerolling the 8% ranged damage on poxwalkers groaners?

[thorn lintel]

is it that purgatus staff cant crit
or did they fix it
cus i see yellow ticks in psycanum

[cinder tree]

I am pretty sure it is lower than that cause I got one to spawn earlier than 20 but I have not seen another