psyker-class

[uncut hamlet]

Definitely not. Essence with purge is best. You get constant warp charges with AB and communion combined, you'll have a constant never ending stream of toughness with essence

[burnt python]

err void triggers it

[teal cargo]

its only thing Psyker does that is super unfair

[long wharf]

you find them and report them immediately to the nearest officer

[burnt python]

essence does not stack

it doesn't matter if you get 10 warp charges

you get 30% at a time til they are gone

[uncut hamlet]

that means you give up communion which means you just wont get warp charges essentially.

[warped perch]

Why are you accusing so many people of heresy

[long wharf]

"If you can't find any heresy, you aren't looking hard enough"

[uncut hamlet]

I said stream. It refreshes cd if you get another charge before it runs out

[vagrant cedar]

if you melee and use purge, you don't rly need the warps

[long wharf]

you always want the warps

[vagrant cedar]

you can use bb with F cooldown perk at lv30 to deal with bosses and stuff

otherwise purge + melee is enough

[long wharf]

because you should also be using Kinetic Overload

[burnt python]

idk ive used both extensively and quietitude felt better 100% of the time

[uncut hamlet]

I use peril resist with warp battery and AB with purge

[warped perch]

Purge feels clunky to me idk

[long wharf]

because it feels weak

[devout belfry]

Purge just feels lame to me.

[burnt python]

the other 2 toughness feats work best when you are least likely to need toughness - when mowing down a horde

[uncut hamlet]

I've found harvest with shield makes up for purge's lack of range by just outtanking most shooters if you dodge a couple shots. Different playstyles ig

[bleak sonnet]

purge is an acquired taste

[devout belfry]

Lol

[long wharf]

it takes time to build up soulblaze stacks to where it's killing things

[warped perch]

Someone needs to shove purge down my throat then so I can acquire the taste

Otherwise I won't use it

[long wharf]

Inquisitor! Where are you?

[bleak sonnet]

i never use it

gun>

[valid lake]

same purge and surge feel weak tramua is just bad and void is great

[burnt python]

quietitude allows you to trade hits and regen on demand as needed

[night marten]

purge is not weak lol

[warped perch]

Surge is good cc

[long wharf]

surge definitely isn't weak - it's not for killing most things

[warped perch]

I have to say

[uncut hamlet]

Also no way youre suggesting purge without AB that is some top tier heresy

[simple junco]

Spend some time in the meat grinder to learn its damage and how it's applied

[uncut hamlet]

definitely not

[devout belfry]

Ammo free horde clear and cc. Blessings dependent though.

[uncut hamlet]

Purge can kill bulwarks and maulers with a full charge

[burnt python]

purge doesn't need AB at all, works fine with kb

[uncut hamlet]

heresy

[long wharf]

I definitely think FatDevs need to up the damage soulblaze stacks do, though

[burnt python]

if you think purge needs AB you are greatly over valuing warp charges

[uncut hamlet]

if you go fire

[simple junco]

Facts

[long wharf]

especially at the low stacks

[bleak sonnet]

purge just limits u too much imo

[uncut hamlet]

you have to burn everything

[devout belfry]

Does soul blaze scale linearly?

[bleak sonnet]

its useful when its useful

[valid lake]

oh yes big e i really needed a las pistol i love the gifts you provide

[jaunty atlas]

It's absolutely impossible to have an info on vet chat this is crazy

[long wharf]

if you aren't using AB with purge, you're purging wrong

[burnt python]

ok so you have purge for hordes right

so you can take ab for... more horde clear

or you can take KB to deal with things purge can't

[vagrant cedar]

what's ab

[simple junco]

Nah, it's a rising graph #psyker-class message

[uncut hamlet]

ascendant blaze

[valid lake]

problem is void also clears hordes

[burnt python]

AB is most useful when combine with psykinetics aura

[simple junco]

With how AB works, it's almost better to run Purge with an axe to ensure you get the stacks

[uncut hamlet]

or you stack 14 stacks of soulfire then ult for 20

[burnt python]

theres like 2 enemies in the game that survive 14 stacks of soulfire lmao

why would you build for that

[uncut hamlet]

or even better

[bleak sonnet]

for the two enemies

?

[uncut hamlet]

you set everything on fire and laugh maniacally

[burnt python]

those 2 big scary monstrosities

that may or may not appear in amission

[bleak sonnet]

if you're using purge your build is already suboptimal, might as well use whatever

[uncut hamlet]

you wont always get the full 14 is the thing. AB is a good source of "I always have fire"

[simple junco]

I mean, it does kill maulers slightly faster

[vagrant cedar]

with an axe or devil's claw + purge

[long wharf]

it's more that you can kill those enemies as well as horde clear

[night marten]

aura is probably the best overall utility, but communion still benefits the entire team if you have KO with max charges. anytime a team mate kills even a poxwalker, might result in you dropping 4 soulblaze on a real threat somewhere

[simple junco]

If suboptimal is T5 viable, then is it really suboptimal?

[uncut hamlet]

plus after ult, with AB you get 6 charges back immediately

[burnt python]

ppl tested yesterday and said ab did not trigger off teammates kills

only ur own melee kills on burning enemies

[bleak sonnet]

yes

clear speed

[vagrant cedar]

i use axe+purge for common things, if boss comes i use f

[night marten]

communion, instead of aura

[burnt python]

ah

yeah that setup is fine

[long wharf]

was this tested extensively?

[bleak sonnet]

laspistol is t5 viable, i wouldnt call it optimal

[uncut hamlet]

I did a high intensity heresy with trauma. The director spawned more shit than any damnation run I've ever done

[burnt python]

i just don't think ab is that good

[uncut hamlet]

If trauma can do that, anything is viable

[uncut hamlet]

It only triggers off deaths from soulfire

[burnt python]

i'm not sure

[uncut hamlet]

even purge staff m2 doesnt count

[simple junco]

Ammo free horde clear is pretty cool tho

[uncut hamlet]

unfortunately

[burnt python]

that is not true

[long wharf]

this is wrong, actually

a bunch of us did focused testing on this yesterday

[burnt python]

if an enemy is burning, and YOU kill it w/ any source, it procs

[bleak sonnet]

cool =/= optimal =/= fun

use whatever u want lmao

[devout belfry]

Does repeated hit require the same enemy or just two attacks in succession?

[uncut hamlet]

oh does it? I was misinformed then

and honestly I cant tell during hordes

[burnt python]

the description in game is misinformed lmao

[uncut hamlet]

the charges stack up so fast

[long wharf]

depends on the blessing, some say same enemy, some don't

[simple junco]

Yeahh, it relies on YOUR kills. "any source" is a myth

[dense cloud]

omfg

[uncut hamlet]

get that vet shit outta here

[burnt python]

no it can trigger off teammates soulfire too

[uncut hamlet]

jk congrats

[devout belfry]

Thank you for this. Also, this is an odd design decision. Makes soul blaze insanely blessing dependent to get decent numbers.

[uncut hamlet]

is it good?

[dense cloud]

im psycher i got this just now

[grave bobcat]

Show the gun

Shame its not the good one

[simple junco]

Oh true. All soulfire kills + melee on fire deaths

[uncut hamlet]

this one is pretty good for proccing flayer

[long wharf]

no, not just melee

[night marten]

YES! 1-shot maniac ragers with no warp charges now

[long wharf]

BB works as well

[simple junco]

Does the staff's direct damage also proc it?

[raw breach]

rip the highest fire rate/lowest damage version.

[simple junco]

I'm sure that's a bit hard to test though

[burnt python]

not sure woudl be very hard to isolate

[long wharf]

it's very, very difficult to isolate that

because it's so weak

[grave bobcat]

Pretty nice

[long wharf]

it's almost impossible to tell if the staff attack is killing or soulblaze

[uncut hamlet]

If its so weak as to not matter

[long wharf]

to the point where it almost doesn't matter

[uncut hamlet]

does it need testing

[dense cloud]

time to try out gun plscher 😄

[long wharf]

fucking INQUISITION GET OVER HERE

[simple junco]

It's more or less just rounding out the subject with questions

[night marten]

I've really tried to figure out the direct damage from purge/ 10% AB chance question. it certainly feels like warp charges are not being generated from the staff direct damage

[grave bobcat]

I've been using this too, it's very good lol

[crisp yacht]

killing something with force word special should give warp charges

[night marten]

just have to spend time killing a bunch of shit. it's really tricky though

[dense cloud]

XD

[long wharf]

now, I see some funny high damage numbers with my purge staff attack on reapers, because it has +25% unyielding damage

[simple junco]

I can imagine, tried doing light testing on it before and it was extremely inconclusive

[devout belfry]

Feels like the psyker chat is doing all the work figuring this game out.

Veteran chat is people talking about other shooters. Ogryn chat is memes. And Zealot is always arguing about cleave vs bleed.

[uncut hamlet]

Unyielding dmg is great

[dense cloud]

pruge staf wit hcirt crit dg on it is op its does almost 2x dmg on crit 😄

[long wharf]

because psyker is the most interesting... and janky

[uncut hamlet]

I dont get fatshark honestly

[burnt python]

i mean like 50% of our feat descriptions are straight up wrong

[simple junco]

Yeah, we had a guy datamining earlier. Found out crit surge is factually useless.

[burnt python]

we dont have a choice lmao

[long wharf]

source?

[uncut hamlet]

They make some really fun and useful modifiers like maniac damage and unyielding damage, then they make +20% damage resistance (Mutants)

like who needs that

[night marten]

1-shot a mutie with 3 warp charges

[burnt python]

numbers were posted yesterday

[simple junco]

lemme find the post

[burnt python]

by staff lover guy

[valid lake]

crit doesnt do anything with surge right now

[dense cloud]

nice 😄

[simple junco]

Actually, you're asking. Go find it

[long wharf]

I've been testing today but the damage range is so large that it's really hard to tell how a crit is affecting it

[dense cloud]

cirt idoes

crit dmg does lol

[devout belfry]

I'm not sure. It seems to do something. It's just fucky.

[dense cloud]

you huit some tings for 700 800 dmg

just animation cancel for faster dmg proc

[devout belfry]

It seems to affect the damage spike but not the tiny ticks.

[grave bobcat]

I always miss the best debates in here

[uncut hamlet]

Would just like to point out you don't need to be optimal for anything other than high intensity damnation

[devout belfry]

Can the surge staff roll soul burn on crit?

[long wharf]

I wouldn't expect the surge ticks to be affected, honestly

[uncut hamlet]

teamwork and player skill are way more important

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff all other staves poo

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[uncut hamlet]

fr im running trauma rn

its fun

[long wharf]

I swear I played with someone that seemed to be applying soulblaze with their surge staff

[light prairie]

What's a good perk for the purgatus staff? I got 25% damage against flak armoured, dunno if I should reroll it

[burnt python]

soublaze on crit blessing

[uncut hamlet]

thats pretty good

[devout belfry]

All the staves have their place.

[night marten]

crit chance

[uncut hamlet]

maniac is also good, crit chance

unyielding

[light prairie]

I already got crit chance, re-rolling second one

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff

[uncut hamlet]

I think flak is fine

[devout belfry]

Trauma is cool but uses a ton of peril. Which you can mitigate by having a non force melee.

[long wharf]

I'm waiting for blessing swaps to perfect this

[night marten]

ah, flak or maniac imo

[uncut hamlet]

False i run double force

[devout belfry]

I prefer surge because it's utility with my team.

[burnt python]

im out of answers, shoulda used trauma anyways

[uncut hamlet]

and cry

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[uncut hamlet]

at high peril

[light prairie]

Oh awesome, thanks chief

[devout belfry]

Do you hear the voices?

[grave bobcat]

Could be just traits 🤷

[uncut hamlet]

life from decay

buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz

[burnt python]

would have to be from AB or kinetic overload i think

[simple junco]

#psyker-class message
Here, source for crit surge being out of the game

[devout belfry]

Before this last patch it was Darude Sandstorm playing.

[grave bobcat]

I was thinking cause Surge always randomly procs flayers and you're more than likely attacking specials/elites with it usually

Wrack and Ruin would

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff surge users suck

[simple junco]

@long wharf

[night marten]

👍 flak is probably going to give you the most value. left click with purge on all enemies in meatgrinder

[uncut hamlet]

what if I enjoy surging into a horde

[dense cloud]

wtf this gun has 100% criot rate some hjow 😄

[night marten]

probably half are flak for purge

[long wharf]

wish we got some more context so we can see how those numbers get used

[burnt python]

that would involve someone intentionally using wrack n ruin tho, which is illegal

[grave bobcat]

Being PUBLICLY stupid is a choice 😉

[grave bobcat]

It;s a pub random, you expect more?

[devout belfry]

Ditto. I think crit might not affect the small ticks but DOES affect the spike.

[burnt python]

i expect them to be in jail for bad life choices

[simple junco]

Interpolate data into a given medium, it means it doesn't modify. We definitely can do in-game crit tests to supplement this data however.

[grave bobcat]

lmao

Being stupid isn't a crime purpe

[uncut hamlet]

Like using the trauma staff?

[grave bobcat]

OR YOU WOULD SERVE A LIFE SENTENCE

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff

[long wharf]

again, the problem is that the crit multiplier clearly isn't very large for surge

[grave bobcat]

TRAUMA FUCKWIT

[long wharf]

and the damage range for the pop is huge

[burnt python]

kneecaps

[uncut hamlet]

I feel like

[long wharf]

making it very difficult to tell if you just crit on a shit damage roll or not

[devout belfry]

But the proc rate is. If we could only modify blessings.

[uncut hamlet]

trauma deserves higher damage

for the huge amount of peril it eats

[grave bobcat]

Is bugged

[burnt python]

trauma is perfect and beautiful in every way

[grave bobcat]

ANd only doing half atm

[uncut hamlet]

oh i see

[burnt python]

nah they said it was a UI bug lol

[grave bobcat]

Just waiting for the fix

[grave bobcat]

Wait really?

[devout belfry]

Just give me the protectorate class so I can protect the morons in my pug.

[burnt python]

ya really

[grave bobcat]

Ignore me

[uncut hamlet]

its still fun seeing enemies explode into giblets though

[burnt python]

we all assumed it was bugged

then they said nah trauma the goat

dont need buff

[grave bobcat]

I was wrong

[devout belfry]

But do we believe them?

[grave bobcat]

forget that

[uncut hamlet]

I mean so far psyker has gotten the most buffs of any class

Just, theyre all in the form of bug fixes

[simple junco]

True. Given as "0" seems to be the modifier, it looks like it does 30% extra damage to certain enemy types at a glance.

[uncut hamlet]

quelling, critical peril threshold

all that fun stuff

[burnt python]

i need an admin to pin the trauma staff truth

[long wharf]

right

[burnt python]

trauma goat

[grave bobcat]

Mods are immune to propaganda

[uncut hamlet]

Propaganda is false

trauma is true

[burnt python]

if you say it loud enough it starts being true

i learned that from mr trump

[uncut hamlet]

The inquisition would approve

[simple junco]

Oh, it deals 30% extra damage on crit to unarmored

[empty granite]

Guys, Christmas came early for me (though the resist is a bummer)

[uncut hamlet]

you'll survive with a bit lower resist

[long wharf]

Trump didn't invent "cult of personality"

[uncut hamlet]

things will die anyway

[grave bobcat]

Purple has chosen chaos, misleading others to boost himself up as he tears others down

[empty granite]

I know. 18% peril on empower vs like 13% at 80%

[burnt python]

see me in damnation with my trauma staff reviving surge users

[warped perch]

WAIT crafting resources found during the mission are shared with the whole group automatically??

[uncut hamlet]

do you take peril resist per warp charge feat?

[long wharf]

always have been

[uncut hamlet]

yea

[empty granite]

Always

[warped perch]

Wtf how have I not known this

[devout belfry]

Join the coven siblings. Tzeentch grants knowledge unfathomable.

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night marten]

incredible sword, tell us which blessings you roll

[empty granite]

Gonna be shit, lol

[long wharf]

I would like to subscribe to your mailing list and learn more.

[echo parrot]

Ill believe it when I see it

[night marten]

we'll suffer with you

[warped perch]

@long wharf look at this heresy

[devout belfry]

Well they weren't shared during the beta lol

[uncut hamlet]

youre gonna be using no peril per charge anyway, and critical threshold for sword is literally 100%. You can charge at 99 and it wont blow you up

[grave bobcat]

Precog and somehow Hit and Run cause game says 🖕

[pearl delta]

Awesome. and you have a good perk too

[simple junco]

I 100% thought it was that way until last week too

[warped perch]

WTF heretic

[pearl delta]

With crafting, btw, can you ever go up diamonds, or do you stay the tier of the perk you rolled when rerolling?

[night marten]

@empty granite roll it

[long wharf]

Shh, I'm going to be the double spy on the inside, already Inquisition approved.

[burnt python]

it can go up

[warped perch]

Sounds exactly like a thing a cultist would say to keep themself out of trouble

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff surge users eat boogers

[pearl delta]

@burnt python thanks. good to know.

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[warped perch]

Trauma staff

[simple junco]

This is your daily knife propaganda

[pearl delta]

i'm a dirty surge staff user, but i can't find another staff over 330 so...

[long wharf]

my best surge staff is so unfortunate

[night marten]

though honestly most stats dont matter on surge

[devout belfry]

🫂

[empty granite]

Deflector and shit, but I can easily re-roll the crit damage perk since damage vs specials is still good.

[burnt python]

i have 4 surge staves over 370

wont touch em

[devout axle]

If you are using Knife and not using flame staff and cosplaying a Zealot, you are doing it wrong.

[uncut hamlet]

what the fuck i hate you

[burnt python]

good god

[long wharf]

shit perks and blessings

[grave bobcat]

Could've been a lot worse

[night marten]

@empty granite

[simple junco]

That's literally what I'm doing, gotta blend in somehow

[devout belfry]

Does block cost reduction affect deflector conversion to peril?

[empty granite]

Moon subs?

[uncut hamlet]

It took me 11 swords to get one deflector and this guy just hits it

[grave bobcat]

wtf moon sub

[uncut hamlet]

yea

[night marten]

[grave bobcat]

[devout belfry]

I'm doing fine then.

[long wharf]

it seems to, yeah

[uncut hamlet]

11 crafted swords*

dunno how many i passed in the shop

[pearl delta]

i got a deflector 3 sword recently in uselss guys 24 hour offering. the sword is bad so i'm waiting for when i can move blessings. but, in the meantime, i'm getting really used to the quietude/non-force melee weapon build

[warped perch]

Oh thanks for finding my sword for me, I'll take it back now

[night marten]

I literally 1-shot crafted two this morning

[devout belfry]

I have a bunch of dog water deflector swords. But I intend to upgrade that blessing lol

[echo parrot]

You win. Uninstall and message steam support to have the game removed now.

[long wharf]

I don't even use this regularly

[empty granite]

Mailing it to ya bawse man

[uncut hamlet]

Literally die to a warp daemon

[night marten]

fair, also name appropriate

[burnt python]

kneecap em

[uncut hamlet]

you too, go peril

[devout belfry]

I want your force sword @long wharf

Tank sword

I haven't even seen deflector 4 before.

[night marten]

are you a shield ogryn

[mossy sonnet]

fav non-toilet bowl head cosmetic from the shop?

[long wharf]

problem is as soon as you think you can tank a line of gunners in heresy+ your peril shoots through the roof

[empty granite]

I have it on like two swords from open beta

[uncut hamlet]

takes me over a month to get a single deflector and yall one tapping it

[warped perch]

Why are all ogryns so mean btw. They call me spark head all the time

[long wharf]

not enough passive peril on the force sword

[night marten]

it's endearing

[echo parrot]

Hood, even though it doesnt go with anything

[pearl delta]

no idea what blessings i want on surge. pretty sure run and gun is not one of them : P

[devout belfry]

The giant gem collar is nice. I wear the eye covering hood because it makes me feel pretty.

[burnt python]

force sword is a bad match w/ trauma staff, and is therefore unusable

[mossy sonnet]

don't really care for the camo with that gem collar, what does it go with other than that

[grave bobcat]

Back to attending to my plasteel addiction

[simple junco]

Pray for a force knife

[burnt python]

purple trauma? it's like you aren't even trying

[devout belfry]

Toilet bowl armor.

[burnt python]

gotta bump those numbers

[empty granite]

I'm honestly not worried about blessings that much right now. In a month or less we'll probably have full blessing crafting

[uncut hamlet]

Bro you see my plasteel

[warped perch]

I like the pykana clamp thing from the first cosmetic set

[uncut hamlet]

i dont either

how do i upgrade with no plasteel

[burnt python]

lmao alright i felt that one

[long wharf]

uh, that's being super optimistic

[devout belfry]

Surprised I haven't seen a psyker called "PissOnMe" with that helmet.

[pearl delta]

@empty granite sure but in theory i should stock pile blessings for crafting

[long wharf]

create a new and and live the dream

[simple junco]

For now, it's best to horde those blessings.

[uncut hamlet]

hoard

[simple junco]

Details, details

[devout belfry]

Santa the ogryn was as far as I'll go.

[burnt python]

trauma

[uncut hamlet]

staff

[simple junco]

Force

[warped perch]

I want to roll an ogryn psyker

[uncut hamlet]

you broke it

someone feed him to an ogryn

[warped perch]

LMAO

[simple junco]

Cosmetic gold

[devout belfry]

I'm procrastinating so hard right now.

[uncut hamlet]

me too

[simple junco]

Same

[uncut hamlet]

im procrastinating sleep

its been 20ish hours now

[long wharf]

do it... harder

[mossy sonnet]

psykers are pretty much the imperium's toilet bowl so it's fitting

[devout belfry]

I have so much cleaning to do. Uuuugh.

[warped perch]

I procrastinated sleep last night and now I'm paying for it at work

[empty granite]

Yeah, I'm just saving the good ones I find or buying ones I know I'll use to upgrade blessing tiers

[uncut hamlet]

they need to toilet bowl for all the shit thats thrown at them

[pearl delta]

yeah. but i don't know which ones to horde : P is the 'no-intterupt' good? or pointless?

(and i assume it can't be upgraded)

[long wharf]

and yes, I buy every staff and melee weapon with good blessings for future crafting

[warped perch]

ALSO I just realized last night you could sell your old weapons 😂 I never saw the x button

[long wharf]

it's turning my inventory list into a mess, though

[pearl delta]

also, what curio setup are people running?
i'm debating double toughness, 1 health, or triple toughness

[alpine portal]

im pretty sure in lore thats the reason for all the tubes

[warped perch]

I had an inventory full and got over 50k

[long wharf]

health

two health, 1 wound

[simple junco]

Just get all of them you see. It's a decent practice, but it gets messy.

[burnt python]

triple hp trauma staff

never lose again

[uncut hamlet]

Yea its in one of the official handbooks

[pearl delta]

wound always feels like a trap...

[burnt python]

goat

[simple junco]

Grey trauma staff, +4 wounds, knife only

[long wharf]

it's not when you play on heresy+

[uncut hamlet]

health is always good

[simple junco]

T5 ready

[uncut hamlet]

a little bit of buffer goes a long way

[long wharf]

shame about that quell speed

especially given how quickly trauma builds peril

[burnt python]

quell doesnt matter much tbh

its a small difference even at max, and i have an axe

[uncut hamlet]

80% quell feels amazing

[uncut hamlet]

huh its 2/3rds faster at 80%

thats pretty big

[simple junco]

Kinda huge there

[burnt python]

naw its misleading because of how it ramps

[alpine portal]

Tested it passive on non force is like 12 seconds I have a 79 quell staff its about 3

[uncut hamlet]

thats fair

[simple junco]

Kinda less huge there

[uncut hamlet]

but it nyooms

[burnt python]

i dont remember exact numbers but 30% quell staff is ~4.25 secs to quell to 0 from full, 80% is 3.75

[pearl delta]

i play mostly t4. even then, toughenss just seems like the health that we regen, and stops you going down? health is nice too but it's % of a small base. at least it makes corruption less painful

[uncut hamlet]

if you quell from 100%, it actually fucking speeds to 0

[burnt python]

but, once again, just pull out a melee

no quell

only hit

[warped perch]

I use 2 toughness curios and 1 wound

[grave bobcat]

Based

[uncut hamlet]

force sword :)

[long wharf]

FatDevs couldn't even try to get a good image of the cosmetic into the shop

[burnt python]

thats why fs is a bad match w/ trauma

and therefore bad

[long wharf]

look at the clipping of the peepee cloth into the pants

[uncut hamlet]

I need it for my space wizard fantasies

[warped perch]

If you say peepee cloth you deserve to be one of the psykers that gets eaten by the oven on terra

😤

[alpine portal]

Force sword recon laser?

[simple junco]

Use trauma to set you up to 100%, then use FS to become a grenade. Easy strats.

[uncut hamlet]

and 80% quell makes up for it kinda copium

[uncut hamlet]

do i look like a vet to you

[long wharf]

well it's not a loincloth when you wear something undernear it

[devout belfry]

Quell speed doo doo

[burnt python]

35% quell adds to the trauma experience

[uncut hamlet]

dont answer that, my secondary is vet

[burnt python]

if only i could roll my warp resist to 0 for maximum trauma

[alpine portal]

lol

[pearl delta]

'the psyker's going to blow' ticking intensifies

[warped perch]

It's a tactical groin guard

[devout belfry]

Isn't... That true for everyone?

[warped perch]

😤

[pearl delta]

i still don't have the bomber penance so... good strat

[uncut hamlet]

Nah I have a couple friends who ogryn/zealot

[long wharf]

so your typical trauma rotation is charge, charge, charge, wait for someone to revive you?

[burnt python]

charge, charge, charge, axe, axe, axe, charge, charge, charge, mission complete

[night marten]

use purge or surge to soften em up, trauma is going to blast them away from each other I think

[uncut hamlet]

yea thats why I run wounds only, to get more uses outta myself before I disappear into the warp

[warped perch]

It's called the trauma staff because you'll have multiple wounds in no time

[raw breach]

I honestly wonder who thought it would be a good idea to give every class 3 different version of tiger striped pants and just call it a day

[night marten]

wounds + perils of the warp build

[uncut hamlet]

TRUE

anything is viable, after all

[simple junco]

T5 martyr subclass

[warped perch]

They need to make it so if you overquell you turn into a daemonhost and kill your annoying vet and zealot teammates

[uncut hamlet]

Lets show those filthy zealots how you really martyr yourself for the emperor

[steel flame]

Second this

[raw breach]

Like that one Ogryn player who swears by the "+3 wound meta" and says any Ogryn stacking HP is trash? lol

[uncut hamlet]

yea who cares about an additional 25% to a 300 health pool

[burnt python]

sounds like that man needs a trauma staff

[uncut hamlet]

more wounds

[simple junco]

Give that ogryn a staff

[warped perch]

Yaaaaas psyker ogryn

[uncut hamlet]

also does he realise that mathematically each wound has less benefits compared to the last

[simple junco]

" 'ey spark 'ead, watch this"

Breaks staff in half

[uncut hamlet]

im using the wrong words i need to sleep soon

[warped perch]

Ogryn psyker with soulflame fists

[uncut hamlet]

Pretty sure hadron would turn them into corpse starch if they did that

[warped perch]

Corpse starch is fking gross

[alpine portal]

DnD rules?

[valid lake]

so whats good for us though or health >

[uncut hamlet]

Our characters eat it though!

[warped perch]

My psyker only eats the finest steak

[long wharf]

it has what the teeming masses of humanity crave

[uncut hamlet]

I personally like a bit of health. I find it helps with getting to the next medikae or staying up just a bit longer since your toughness breaking is inevitable no matter how good you are

[burnt python]

toughness is situationally the best, hp is always good

[simple junco]

For us, generally sticking to 2 toughness 1 wound is safe. For them, health.

For that guy in particular, +3 wounds

[uncut hamlet]

im running 1 tough 1 health 1 wound rn

[night marten]

I've had a couple discussions where people shit on the idea of HP curios

[warped perch]

Imagine being able to have like 100 wounds

[burnt python]

probably the same kind of people who think blocking is bad cus yo u can just not get hit

[long wharf]

imagine being such a burden on your team that they have to pick you up 20 times or more in a mission

[burnt python]

3x hp curio on my psyker gets me to 255 hp

quite the cushion

[raw breach]

If you do the math, going down and getting picked up is like a heal. I get the concept of "strategically getting downed" to heal and not use medicae or medi-kits, but no matter what it works out to on paper, if your strategy still relies on you going down, it might not be a good one

[burnt python]

add in trauma and its gg

[long wharf]

I like having the extra wound

sometimes bad shit just happens

[warped perch]

No, that would be slaanesh 😏 I mean what? Who said that?

[devout belfry]

It is odd the way the implemented them. Mirrored values with toughness AND percent based.

[uncut hamlet]

Me too. In my experience those people are accounting for the fact that damage taken is flat while bleedthrough is a %. They're technically right, but they also assume they're good enough to not ever have toughness break from a shotgunner or fire or being overrun

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[burnt python]

there are numerous sources of instant toughness deletion

[night marten]

I just think they completely underestimate how fast toughness evaporates

yea

[uncut hamlet]

At times strategically going down can be useful, but relying on it means you go down and die during a horde at some point

[devout belfry]

And the amount of things that do more toughness damage than HP dmg.

[night marten]

it sounds like a good idea to go all-in on toughness on paper, but in practice I'm not sure

[warped perch]

Praise the Emperor 🤗

[night marten]

might be something they're not even considering

[simple junco]

True, now that I'm actually thinking about it

[burnt python]

what does max toughness curios even get you to, like 175?

[uncut hamlet]

The guy I was arguing with in the vet chat based his entire argument on the fact that they're dodgable

which yes, they are

but you wont always dodge them

youll get hit eventually

[warped perch]

Was that before or after they talked about piss

[devout axle]

There are many things that break 100% Toughness. Nothing breaks health.

[devout belfry]

I prefer a 2:1 mix on my psyker.

[uncut hamlet]

bullets

[long wharf]

a gunner line on heresy+ can break health

[burnt python]

the dangers of theory crafting w/o testing lol

[long wharf]

and fast

[frigid marten]

Well corruption sorta

[devout belfry]

Ogryn all HP. Vet all toughness.

[devout axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDb768qfKA

[devout belfry]

I go all HP on zealot too.

[long wharf]

I go all dust collection on my zealot

[warped perch]

Aren't zealots the actuall tanky melee class and ogryns are more like support?

[simple junco]

yeahhh... Dropped zealot after a while.

[devout belfry]

Zealots and ogryns all stacking bleeds. Unkillable.

I just found them boring.

[simple junco]

Ah shit is it Elden Ring all over again?

[long wharf]

it's fun cutting things in half, but I wasn't really having fun with the zealot beyond that

[raw breach]

I think the problem with their math is they calculate things based on total HP and how much you heal when you get revived to say that overall +wounds give the same total HP as +hp curios, but EHP is a different concept of how much damage you can take without being downed

[uncut hamlet]

The point of horde based games like DRG, L4D or Darktide is to get to the next recovery point. Toughness is a buffer mechanic much like shields or temp health, but in the end more health is gonna let you take that extra step in the marathon of horde games i've found

its always a good thing to have

[frigid marten]

I learned to hate shotgunner even more than gunners

[uncut hamlet]

Theyre horrible I hate them

[burnt python]

being down on the ground w/ lots of wounds to spare is less good than being alive with low hp remaining

[dense cloud]

gun pscher is the elite kiling fantasy lol but out of bulolits always

[burnt python]

p straightforward

[warped perch]

Plus they go onnnnn and onnnn about the emperor when they could be talking about worthy gods like slaanesh

[remote tusk]

I'm a proud member of the cult of +1 wound +2 health

[uncut hamlet]

This one right here Rannick

[devout axle]

Wounds are useless if you don't go down.

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[warped perch]

What? I didn't say anything

[simple junco]

I wonder if it's more effective to go 1 health 1 toughness 1 wound or just 2 health 1 wound

[valid lake]

sir this is a psyker channel we only praise tzeench here

[pearl delta]

My secret, is I'm always down!

[long wharf]

there's no reason to go +toughness curio

[burnt python]

getting 17 extra toughness or w/e from 1 curio sounds completely useless

[valid lake]

sir this is a psyker channel we only praise tzeench here

[long wharf]

our toughness isn't high enough for it to matter

[warped perch]

Off topic but curios sound like a brand of cereal

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff

[simple junco]

Fair

[uncut hamlet]

I get that, but theyre not taking into account the pressure going down puts on a team during a tight situation and the lack of staying power per down that health gives you

[frigid marten]

Also there is place where getting killed is not terrible. Because you respawn in the same room.

[valid lake]

copeium void is best

[dense cloud]

im runin 2 tought nes 1 hp curipo

[pearl delta]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding toughness mechanics, but as long as you have decent toughness regen, then you want enough toughness to eat a hit and not take white damage. right? (for ranged at least)

[dense cloud]

the 32 toughnes is opp

[uncut hamlet]

Made of corpse starch?

[warped perch]

Tzeench is nothing compared to the power of slaanesh the emperor

[burnt python]

void staff trauma staff's baby sister

[warped perch]

Exactly 😌 omg you just gave my psyker a retirement idea

[night marten]

oh this was it. @wise pecan and I went back and forth for a bit about the value of HP curios vs toughness, (he claims they're useless and that I'm wrong for disagreeing) #psyker-class message

[devout belfry]

A single bullet does more damage to toughness than HP.

[raw breach]

hate the shotgunner, love the gunner damage resist

[valid lake]

you got proof of tramuas greatness my own use of it makes it feel trash convert me

[devout axle]

Meanwhile I'm out here rooting for Papa Nurgle and Mommy Isha.

[uncut hamlet]

Yes, ranged will only hit toughness when it can

[pearl delta]

@devout belfry oh that's good to know. i know how melee works (where toughness blocks 1for1 but it starts bleeding through below 100. or is it bellow 100%)

[burnt python]

ahh yes a propaganda opportunity, one moment

[devout belfry]

On paper the obvious choice is toughness. But all the hidden unintuitive bullshit makes it less obvious.

[dense cloud]

bleed true below 100

[burnt python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvbVMBsF_w

[pearl delta]

@devout belfry hee. i can get behind that. i have decent toughness and health. all i know is i like block% and then i'm lost

[night marten]

I was strictly toughness for a while, still melted to just about anything. switched to *mostly hp, feel like I have more staying power.

[uncut hamlet]

below 100%. So if you have 100% toughness, 0% bleedthrough. 75% toughness, 25% bleedthrough

[burnt python]

(it's not actually better than void, but better than ppl think)

i mean

trauma staff goat staff

[mental rock]

YES I finally got pick n mix

[uncut hamlet]

bleedthrough is % based, so theoretically you'll get less bleedthrough with more toughness since damage is flat

[mental rock]

during a pug too

[long wharf]

congrats

[devout belfry]

Nice

[uncut hamlet]

toughness can evaporate like psykers in front of the emperor in sticky situations though

[uncut hamlet]

so some health is always a good thing

[valid lake]

i like tramua better then surge but its peril is so high

[raw breach]

Their argument was that you strategically time when you go down between fights so that you're always "full" hp. You never go down aside from when you intend to, so you stack +3 wounds instead of +hp

[burnt python]

yeah surge is just anti-fun for me, dont enjoy it

[long wharf]

I enjoy surge

[uncut hamlet]

Idk i get what theyre going for but it just seems like a lotta work for no payoff. You get the same thing with less pressure just by grabbing more hp

[long wharf]

because it's not mindless to play surge well

[devout axle]

The Soundfx make my ears bleed tbh

[long wharf]

you have to pay attention to what enemies are doing, where they are, what the team is doing

[burnt python]

its not mindless it just doesn't feel impactful at all imo

not impactful as in, effective, but just the "feel"

[devout belfry]

I've strategically exploded in an airlock for HP before.

[uncut hamlet]

I can see when it helps my teammates

[uncut hamlet]

yea exactly

[long wharf]

I don't play surge to kill things, I play surge to ensure a smooth completion

[burnt python]

nerd

[long wharf]

surge is a force multiplier

[remote tusk]

I dont get the idea behind going intentionally for combat ability regen. 10% quicker ult doesnt seem like much. What am I missing?

[burnt python]

😛

[granite lance]

waiting for a god damned heresy torrent espionage mission is making my eyes hurt

[pearl delta]

@uncut hamlet so then, if you increase your toughness, you dont' stop bleed through on a second hit, but the second hit will be smaller because you'll have a higher % toughness.

if i understand it, two 40 damage attacks, vs:
120 toughness: 0 damage, 13 damage
100 toughness: 0 damage, 16 damage

[uncut hamlet]

Quicker ult could be the difference between blowing up and not sometimes

[dense cloud]

naaniiii

[devout axle]

The problem with Surge is that in situations where it would be incredibly valuable to stun priority enemies, you are hitting commons. Because you are fighting a horde.

[burnt python]

so ur telling me it takes 20 toughness to save 3 hp?

[granite lance]

most recent espionage mission

[dense cloud]

since when can staf run sustain fire

[burnt python]

sounds like hp is waaaay better lmao

[uncut hamlet]

yea basically

[devout axle]

Surge is only really good for stopping dogs and bursters imo.

[raw breach]

I guess it's supposed to be some 400 IQ big brain Damnation strategy that mere mortals can't comprehend, yet one Ogryn was blessed by the Emperor himself with this understanding

[burnt python]

trauma > surge for bursters specifically (serious comment, not in propaganda mode)

[uncut hamlet]

It adds up over time to be fair

[devout belfry]

It wrecks armor if you spam cast. It also stuns most things.

[uncut hamlet]

because toughness regenerates

[cold elm]

any tips on getting going out with a bang

[frigid marten]

Also regen on kill is % based

[burnt python]

i aint really concerned w/ "value", just which one is most likely to save my ass if shit goes south

[devout belfry]

I'd also argue that most of the time you lose all your toughness and take damage that having 20 percent more toughness wouldn't have helped.

[devout axle]

Armor that you either aren't hitting, because they are behind a wall of commons, or it doesn't matter because there is no horde, and heavy enemies are not dangerous outside of a horde.

[uncut hamlet]

Shit going south is exactly why some HP is necessary, and some ppl dont get that

[devout belfry]

Shooter scabs.

[uncut hamlet]

Has his implant's software been updated

[pearl delta]

all that aside, quietide is the tits, and makes me want to run combat ability regen, because combat ability is 25% toughness!

[uncut hamlet]

maybe he needs it checked

[remote tusk]

That's why surge is paired with horde clear melee

[burnt python]

i have 255 hp on my psyker

[devout axle]

Are all getting capped by your Vet during his infinitely refreshing ult.

[burnt python]

and i go down a LOT less than when i had 150

[devout belfry]

I sure hope so.

[valid lake]

Ok Tzeench you might have converted me

[pearl delta]

is toughness regen a useful stat or waisted on us?

[grave bobcat]

Psygyrn

[uncut hamlet]

I still like a bit of toughness for ranged, and because it really does help extend the lifespan of your health

[burnt python]

it do esn't work currently

[uncut hamlet]

I just think having no health is the height of arrogance

[remote fox]

What axe is the one everyone is using?

[mental rock]

ive also heard that toughness regen doesnt work

[grave bobcat]

🖕

[uncut hamlet]

you're assuming you're so skilled itll never break, so toughness will always be more efficient

[devout belfry]

Make sure you don't sprint ever to maximize that toughness!

[frigid marten]

Mk5

[burnt python]

mk v combat

[remote tusk]

Antax 5

[lethal folio]

who needs deflection when you have murder.

[valid lake]

antrax mk5

[devout belfry]

I want a force axe!

[mental rock]

mk5 with brutal momentum

[iron cypress]

Yes!

[lyric hatch]

@remote fox FS

[grave bobcat]

Lucky Icouldn't remember the name of the one with the broken hitbox lol

[remote fox]

this worth?

[lethal folio]

Rashad is the bad axe

[remote fox]

I have a good one just looking for an axe

[lethal folio]

It has higher torso priority than heads.

[raw breach]

Not since before Slab Shields got added. Apparently they are bad and most Ogryn who use them are bad and they use a Mk3 Cleaver for big brain cleaving

[true torrent]

So they broke surge, no longer does crit damage/

[burnt python]

its decent, ideally yo u want mobility / cleave to be the low stats

[devout belfry]

Hey guys the Tzeentch recruiters are here.

[burnt python]

trauma staff goat staff

[lyric hatch]

@devout belfry the boys

[devout belfry]

Remember with more wounds you can explode in the airlock for HP!

[uncut hamlet]

Sounds like a zealot player got stuck in an ogryn body ngl

[remote tusk]

Hi fellow Tzeentch enjoyer

[dense cloud]

😮

fs

uinlimtidce doge 😄

[uncut hamlet]

you do get more distance from duelling

[devout axle]

And can sprint for 1.5 seconds before you run out of breath 😦

[uncut hamlet]

the unlimited dodge + unlimited push is nice for getting out of a horde

but keep in mind the dodge distance is

really short

[warped perch]

Heretic 😤

[devout belfry]

Working on getting a proper sorceress from a kit bash atm.

Most of my jewelry is Tzeentch themed from Etsy lol

[devout axle]

If it's Heresy to promote progress, love, and life, then I don't want to be pure.

[warped perch]

I don’t think the imperium promotes progress

[devout belfry]

Dodging sideways forever is faster than sprinting.

[warped perch]

It’s stagnant

[devout belfry]

Cawl disagrees.

[devout axle]

I prefer zigzagging diagonal dodges.

[remote tusk]

There's an in universe terrorist organization dedicated to science, progress and democracy

[devout belfry]

Wonder how high I can get block cost reduction.

[remote tusk]

They are antagonists in the Dark Heresy rpg

[devout belfry]

To be honest democracy is a bad idea in the 40k universe.

[devout axle]

45%. 15% on your weapon. 10% on each Curio, if you get top rolls.

[devout belfry]

Too unresponsive.

[devout belfry]

Plus deflector bonus too.

[tawny ether]

Anyone willing to help out w/ Going out with a Bang? Been trying for hours with no luck

[remote tusk]

Deflector goes up to 12 more

[devout axle]

You really just need to get lucky on it tbh.

[ebon jolt]

56%. 20% on weapon and 12% on curios. Deflector than gives a multiplicative 12%. Then peril resist up to 36% with inner tranquility.

[night marten]

start with bots, soften first elite pack with purge/surge, let them take aggro while you go boom

[devout belfry]

Stack wounds and get some ogryns to slap elites together lol

[night marten]

if the first pack doesn't do it, just restart, it's faster than running the mission

[lyric hatch]

Dive bomb shotguns/gunners

[pearl delta]

I need that too. might be able to a bit later today

[devout belfry]

I'll be on later and want to finish my penances.

I've been too busy leveling all the classes.

[uncut hamlet]

Promotes free thought too, which is dangerous cuz chaos gods

[night marten]

completed all the psyker penances yesterday

[uncut hamlet]

I still need monster one and pick n mix

[devout belfry]

Free thought isn't necessarily bad. It's the kind of thought lol

[uncut hamlet]

pick n mix is mostly from me being lazy

[iron cypress]

which ones are you working on right now?

[uncut hamlet]

but the randos ive been with lately havent been keen on letting me do monster

[tacit cargo]

Which combat axe did you want the Brutal Momentum on? I've got Antax Mk V, Atrox Mk II and R ashad Mk II with brutal momentum and okay rolls

[night marten]

V

[devout belfry]

Ditto. That one is annoying. I haven't gotten the 90 percent boss dmg either.

[raw breach]

This may sound a bit like heresy, but... what if the Emperor is just Sigmar reborn?

[tacit cargo]

on the antax?

[remote tusk]

I have consigned myself to being stuck on 4/5 on pick n mix forever

[warped perch]

Cawl is a bucket of bolts at this point

[uncut hamlet]

Well if anyone can think anything, statistically a lot more planets will fall to chaos

[devout belfry]

Pick n mix and the boss one are needed. Haven't gone for them yet.

[tacit cargo]

ty

[vestal finch]

If the Imperium cannot preserve human rights, then maybe it deserves to fall!!

[pearl delta]

i need monster, blow up, and headshots. all pretty rough. ogryn shield on a host is still the best way for monstor right?

[vestal finch]

Take that, fascist!

[devout belfry]

No more souls no more chaos.

[iron cypress]

pick n mix is such a pain, still have yet to finish it

[teal needle]

Implications from previous editions are indeed heresy

[uncut hamlet]

I wonder how different the Imperium would be if the emperor didnt fall to the horus heresy

[vestal finch]

Pick N Mix was ez

[devout belfry]

Ogryns will help. Just have them slap elites while we bb.

[teal needle]

The imperium is an actual joke, it definitely is a failure state of humanity lol

[uncut hamlet]

thats the point of it yea

[devout belfry]

Still better than Detroit.

[uncut hamlet]

the other point of 40K is just grimdark future with cool space magic

[iron cypress]

true.. btw finally got one of those bull cleavers. That thing is just silly.

[vestal finch]

What radical reforms would you suggest?

[uncut hamlet]

universal basic income

[vestal finch]

lol

[devout belfry]

I wouldn't use any other weapon lol. EXCEPT the club. Because slap is funny.

[vestal finch]

Man... I wonder how all those medieval farmers lived without a universal basic income?

Must have been pretty tough

[devout belfry]

Honestly I wouldn't change anything about the Empire without the Emperor himself walking around.

[uncut hamlet]

They lived until 50 if they were real lucky is the answer

[devout belfry]

The current system of worship functions.

[hushed glade]

Can't tell if serious

[uncut hamlet]

it really does protect humanity from chaos if I understand the lore right

[simple junco]

30, more or less

[night marten]

I thought the same thing for a while, but the last couple years of inflation made it fairly clear any significant increase in spending power will just be consumed by price increases

[pearl delta]

@uncut hamlet making it to adult hood was the real accomplishment. got to have a lot of kids so some survive, but hope not many do...

[uncut hamlet]

fighting in the emperor's name would normally invoke khorne, but because emperor, no khorne

[devout belfry]

Maybe a little Khorne.

[teal needle]

Maybe not keep planets at such low public order that chaos looks like an attractive option by comparison. And you know actually learning how technology works

[uncut hamlet]

Having a base standard for living would still be a wonderful thing for many people

Kurzgesagt did a great video on it

[night marten]

Yes, if UBI would actually result in that happening. I doubt it would in the long-term. but we're starting to violate rule 9 of the server

[devout belfry]

I don't think ubi would work in a place like the US.

[uncut hamlet]

its been a long time since I've watched it though

[iron cypress]

just got a gift from the emperor. voidstrike staff with max dmg but only 50 blast..

[devout belfry]

Maybe basic services and housing. That's what 40k could use lol

[uncut hamlet]

I doubt anyone is invested enough to make it provocative

its just a kinda maybe nice thing to have

[teal needle]

Anyhow if you think the society of the imperium is good or necessary the authors of the fiction and the fiction itself explicitly disagree with you and honestly you're too clueless to spend time on 🤷

[uncut hamlet]

I...okay?

[burnt python]

blast dont matter

[uncut hamlet]

who asked?

[dawn orchid]

If you want to gimp your team, then gunpsyk is the way to go

[devout belfry]

Still procrastinating.

[alpine portal]

this a keeper guys?

[long wharf]

blast is less important

[teal needle]

Not you 😉

[leaden pier]

why are we talking about basic living conditiions in the psyker chat

[devout belfry]

A gun based subclass would be cool.

[uncut hamlet]

Looks pretty fucking good yea

[teal needle]

Role playing the loner voice

[uncut hamlet]

because as psykers we dont get any

[long wharf]

definitely

[leaden pier]

lamo

[long wharf]

you might want to roll warp flurry off for now

[alpine portal]

like 8 out of 10? or more like a 6

[simple junco]

Honestly that would be neat

[long wharf]

when we get to modify blessings

[alpine portal]

is it bugged?

[uncut hamlet]

8

[devout belfry]

The protectorate data mine sounded really cool

[long wharf]

terrifying barrage is handy

yes, warp flurry doesn't work with psyker staff secondaries right now

as you can't chain attacks while charging secondary

[simple junco]

Apparently it does, just with an extremely small window. At least according to a discussion yesterday.

[echo parrot]

Guys quick, say something controversial so I have something to distract me for the best 3hrs 30min of work

[long wharf]

how small a window?

[burnt python]

trauma staff best staff surge users booger eaters

[echo parrot]

Cope

[simple junco]

.35 seconds, more or less

[long wharf]

alright, it's time for your juice box and nap, now

[alpine portal]

oof I assumed it charged quicker on repeated charged attacks. its still my best staff. untill they patch it or allow rebless.

[devout belfry]

Brain burst is amazing and has no issues.

[iron cypress]

LOL

[simple junco]

Uh, psyker is balanaced and veteran deserves a nerf

Just read that over and over for 3 hours

[pearl delta]

@echo parrot being able to get a staff bellow level 30 was a mistake

[uncut hamlet]

Warp charges are fine as they are

[echo parrot]

People please, I only have so many blood vessels to burst.

[long wharf]

B is too strong, needs nerf

[alpine portal]

brain burst needs a slower charge.

[burnt python]

knives are bad

[echo parrot]

Fuck you

[burnt python]

(too far?)

[simple junco]

Trauma needs more peril generation

[uncut hamlet]

BB shouldnt be able to 1 shot anything

[echo parrot]

And fuck you too

[uncut hamlet]

they said controversial, not factually correct

[burnt python]

uh oh

[simple junco]

Whoa now, lets not get wrong here

lel

[echo parrot]

Learn to dodge and maybe you wont have problems.

Zoom is best

[burnt python]

i need popcorn

[simple junco]

Uhh, toughness is a crutch

[alpine portal]

ignore this wrong reply

[devout belfry]

Alright. I'm going to go be productive.

And check the shop.

[pearl delta]

in fairness, i like BB as a tool, rather than the one button we spam. but having BB be the default source of warp charges, and then having our talents all be linked to warp charges is the problem. we should have different warp charge flavors, or have them earnable from any warp attack

[simple junco]

Gunker is viable up to T4

[uncut hamlet]

I know how to dodge, thats why I dont need a weapon to handhold me by giving me a dodge the distance of the average warp

[echo parrot]

No, you just need a weapon to handhold dealing with ranged for you

[uncut hamlet]

deflector? I dont have one

[simple junco]

This should just be a normal thing, every afternoon just spit out every hot take imaginable and derive from there

[uncut hamlet]

I use fs because I like it thematically

[echo parrot]

Ok, I can respect that.

[uncut hamlet]

actually I do now, but Im just holding onto it to have it in my inventory

my main fs is

not great honestly

[echo parrot]

Real talk I joke about it but I do use a FS with void.

[burnt python]

you mean trauma?

[echo parrot]

I am either going Surge/Knife or Void/FS

[uncut hamlet]

fs trauma goated

fs is good because it shares the initials with fatshark

[burnt python]

hmm good point

[simple junco]

Void/FS does sound pretty good, especially if you run quell on your void

[lethal folio]

The laspistol psyker push is actually very strong.

you can hold back a good sized mob with just that.

[uncut hamlet]

you can do the same with fs

[burnt python]

may i introduce you to our lord and savior, trauma staff

[uncut hamlet]

while having a useful ranged weapon

[alpine portal]

it seems like it has a high crit chance, needs more testing

[lethal folio]

nah, laspush is much stronger.

[sacred lodge]

get a bunch of helmeted psykers with that staff together, would that make them a Trauma Team?

[simple junco]

There should be a blessing that lets your push give a stack of soulblaze

[echo parrot]

Void/Knife does not have enough clutch CC/mitigation, and Surge/FS feels like it has CC/mitigation diminishing returns. I tried to run knife with my void as I usually prefer it, but it was painful when surrounded by elites.

[lethal folio]

Pistol does have +15% base crit.

[raw breach]

I've been running Antx Mk5/Surge

[simple junco]

How ammo efficient is it?

[lethal folio]

Very good ammo economy.

[echo parrot]

Knife is still my love, but even I know its limitations when it cant be comboed with something like surge.

[uncut hamlet]

Trauma staff has the effect of making heretics into giblets. Far more effective and fun

[tawny ether]

Welp I just got it lol, ty for your blessings siblings

[simple junco]

And the headshot modifier?

[alpine portal]

I learned 3 days ago about pressing v to inspect weapon, I did not know you could look at base crit chance, where is it?

[simple junco]

I hear it was higher, but not sure how much

[lethal folio]

Hidden.

[uncut hamlet]

visual effects make the staff stronger after all. Everyone knows that

[simple junco]

Ahhh rip

[solemn zenith]

staff attacks count as warp attacks yes?

[echo parrot]

But that logic the BFG(void) staff is the best

[tawny ether]

yep

[alpine portal]

good websight to look it up?

[lethal folio]

See I run pistol and force sword so I don't have two weapons to spend charge on

[sacred lodge]

I like purgatus and FS, but it makes dealing with shooters a bit of a pain
or at least it did until I learned I can chain a slide into a dodge

[alpine portal]

yes I tested it.

[pearl delta]

This

[uncut hamlet]

wrong, trauma

[sacred lodge]

now I'm not sure

[echo parrot]

You are perfectly entitled to the wrong opinion.

[lethal folio]

and of course pistol has the best run speed

[uncut hamlet]

Giblets

No other staff giblets enemies

[echo parrot]

(real talk I dont care what staff you use so long as you dont have to be carried)

[sacred lodge]

I want to test it out and try my hand at shooter approaches again, but I think I've built up IRL Perils and now my head hurts and I'm seeing... things

[alpine portal]

the correct take

[sacred lodge]

so I'll choose to lie down

[simple junco]

0% burn purgatus staff with knife build, relying solely on Perils of the Warp explosions to deal damage

[raw breach]

Crit table is an excerpt from this steam guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

[uncut hamlet]

Have you tried making handsigns to quell

[true torrent]

Reddit tells me crit on surge is now broken though. So its bottom tier

[echo parrot]

I want you to acquire this and record a damnation run

[sacred lodge]

I don't know, an ogryn just gave me some colorful pills and told me that it'd help with the headaches

[simple junco]

If I can find a 0% staff, I'll give it a shot.

[echo parrot]

Basically the "throw pocket sand and stab london special build"

[uncut hamlet]

My cat has taken my blankets

And I'm cold

Help

[echo parrot]

Take them back

[uncut hamlet]

He's sleepjng on them

I can't

[simple junco]

Taking a blanket from a cat? Literally impossible

[sacred lodge]

I'm sure one of the zealots can help. they always seem too eager to use flamers near me

[alpine portal]

thanks for this

[uncut hamlet]

I tried poking him to make him go away and now he's just purring

[sacred lodge]

yep, that's a cat alright

[burnt python]

take his kneecaps w/ trauma

[alpine portal]

give cat treat, cat will move.

[uncut hamlet]

I guess I'll freeze

[simple junco]

Sacrifices will be made

[raw breach]

You're very welcome. That crit table isn't the only useful part of that guide. I've got it bookmarked and reference it at least once a day

[uncut hamlet]

That's true, he hears them from across the entire house

[night marten]

even a 0% damage staff would still apply soulblaze (providing burn was also not 0%)

[sacred lodge]

"no, you can't just take all the warm stuff in the house; I'll freeze too!"
hehehe, kitty go prrrr

[uncut hamlet]

There are also minimum values to everything

[uncut hamlet]

Do cats have kneecaps?

[simple junco]

Oh, I was definitely going for a 0% burn

[burnt python]

not after u trauma

[uncut hamlet]

That's true

[simple junco]

(I will actually record a run if I find one)

[sacred lodge]

I'm not veterinarian, but I'm almost positive that if they have knees, then they have kneecaps

[uncut hamlet]

I'm gonna use him as a foot warmer whatever

[burnt python]

dogs have kneecaps so i assume cats do too lol

[sacred lodge]

snuggle your head next to them; kitties love sleeping near people's heads

[burnt python]

only know that because my dog had double knee surgery recently

[lime gorge]

bro if another vet snipes all the elites in the room after I ask if I can do pennance

[uncut hamlet]

You see, my feet are cold

And he doesn't seem to mind

[simple junco]

Run KB and you'll get it eventually if you run T4/T5

[raw breach]

Well now this is in my search history lol

[sacred lodge]

huh

[uncut hamlet]

That's nice to know I suppose

[sacred lodge]

so they only have two kneecaps, like the rest of us

[burnt python]

cats can be trauma'd confirmed

[uncut hamlet]

If I ever want my cat to be a guard instead of an adventurer

I always have the option

[sacred lodge]

if we ever need to fight a chaos felinid, now I know how to deal with it

[burnt python]

do felines exist in 40k?

[subtle linden]

Heresy detected

[burnt python]

is there a designated space-mouser on the morningstar??

[raw breach]

If catgirls don't exist by the 41st millennium, humanity has failed as a species.

[burnt python]

lmfao

[subtle linden]

Cat girls where?

[raw breach]

Aside from all the heresy and endless galactic wars

[sacred lodge]

Like I said, we do have felinids, but sources are… inconsistent on what they are, or even what they look like

[burnt python]

maybe the emperor is searching for his lost catgirl

[simple junco]

Cats for the golden throne

[subtle linden]

The emperor is waiting for his right hand catgirl to cast resurrection

[uncut hamlet]

This is the most calm I've seen psyker chat btw. No arguments on BB or staves or feats

[raw breach]

A girl worth dying forever for.

[halcyon creek]

According to Battletech, catgirls exist in the 3rd millennium… the technology must have been lost

[uncut hamlet]

Or random trolls

[burnt python]

this is still a trauma staff discussion in my eyes

[simple junco]

We got all of the hot takes out of the way early today

[sacred lodge]

Sometimes they’re cat people, sometimes they look like khajiit from the Elder Scrolls

The Text-to-Speech series posited that they look like cats with human heads, like a grotesque sphinx

[dull cedar]

who do ppl even did the suicide penance solo with bots
ai focus and kill elite Im about to explode every damn time

[halcyon creek]

In fact, they must have been lost before the 11th millennium if Dune is correct

[uncut hamlet]

We did? I don't remember this

Maybe it was during my missions

[subtle linden]

I find the best way to do this penance is let ur friend die

Get surrounded by elites and specials

Suicide in while the downed guy is getting pounded

[uncut hamlet]

I had an ogryn hold a choke against a shot gunner squad. Those guys are really squishy and I'm pretty sure I ended up killing way more than 3

[sacred lodge]

Also, if you all like cat girls

[simple junco]

I spent more hours on the fucking fishing yacht than I did doing dungeons

[uncut hamlet]

It's been 24 hours maybe it's time to sleep

[dull cedar]

it'd be a lot faster if I have ogryn friends
or just any friends in general

[uncut hamlet]

I feel like I'm at 90% peril

[sacred lodge]

I wonder if I’m just a voice in your head then?

[uncut hamlet]

There are lfg channels in the server, maybe try one of those

[simple junco]

I am become tired, dozer of sleep

[uncut hamlet]

Are you the dream, or the dreamer

[dull cedar]

no one really join to help penance

I just found out that bots can be even more useless than I thought
doesn't really help normally, and then actively ruin your chance of doing these penances solo

[devout belfry]

What's the max hp and toughness blessing a trinket can roll?