psyker-class

[patent hatch]

Vets need a entire nerf lmao there busted

[compact cargo]

Sprint version hasn't worked since the quell bug was introduced

[near wyvern]

It's a dedicated anti mauler/crusher/bulwark tool, bad against hordes

[compact cargo]

Weapon swap version works

That's all for now

[vivid schooner]

weapon swap works but I tested in grinder, it stops the dmg

it still does dmg, but not the full amount

[compact cargo]

Yep, like the old sprint version u don't do the finisher

[vivid schooner]

I'll try again

[vivid schooner]

There's isnt any meaningful nerf the devs could make to them other than just make them bad at shooting, because that's actually all they need to be that good ;_;

[compact cargo]

just buff everyone else feats, dome

[pale crescent]

very confused. had an ogryn repeatedly keep trying to jump over the same rail, getting ko'd even during a nurgle beast. asked him if he was throwing. got mad and he said "don't be mad because the devs won't implement features". wouldn't elaborate. kicked him

[vivid schooner]

That would be preferable, yes. Give everyone more tools to deal with awkward moments.

[patent hatch]

Grenade regen and the weapons need a balance

[vivid schooner]

Vet could lose camo, its toughness, 50% of its stamina, have 0 grenades and still be the best.

Their true strength is tracking and just having good shooty :c

their grenades aren't inherently strong, it's more of an emergency anti-horde to me, I guess.

[pale crescent]

don't nerf vet, buff everything else

[buoyant kraken]

do we know how many enemies get locked up by the surge staff?

[grave bobcat]

6

[vivid schooner]

6 is the total, when it works

[buoyant kraken]

ah

[vivid schooner]

Though, only the first 2 actually take serious damage.

[fresh reef]

TIL that trauma damage actually works on Monstrosities

[buoyant kraken]

so its constant

[vivid schooner]

Yep, regardless of charge.

Charge is only dmg (again, first 2 targets take most of it)

I say most, I mean 95%

[buoyant kraken]

the stagger is on all 6 tho right?

[vivid schooner]

Yep yep

[buoyant kraken]

naisu thanks scoot

[grave bobcat]

It's not as good as the old anim cancel

But you can just wep swap

to anim cancel again

[vivid schooner]

I'm going back to grinder now to check, I did it just now but I might've been bugged or w/e

[grave bobcat]

If you need the instant burst

[vivid schooner]

but when I weapon cancelled, it actually didn't deliver a full charge's dmg

and ofc, I can't bloody sprint out of it

[grave bobcat]

They fixed that bit 🥲

[vivid schooner]

Surge wasn't nearly good enough to deserve that nerf

it was still the weakest dps of all the staves

even with cancel

[buoyant kraken]

i think its more of a trust your team type weapon

[vivid schooner]

Nah, I use it when I don't trust my team.

when I believe they need crutches against specials, crushers, bulwarks, dogs, w/e

[buoyant kraken]

if you provide the stagger value to the team

[pale crescent]

idk whats been happening. could be placebo been getting almost no emperor's gifts, leveling taking longer and loots all seems lower, and the difficulty 2 seems way harder

[buoyant kraken]

you gotta trust that they'll kill the mobs

[vivid schooner]

I'm told the gifts have a weekly cap, but don't quote me on that I ain't got no evidence other than experience and hearsay

[buoyant kraken]

like if im pubbing im using the flame staff exclusively

[grave bobcat]

It does

its 10-20

[vivid schooner]

I gotta trust that they meet the 'basic damage output' needed while I keep things stunned, ye. Decent players would've killed it before my stun even finished and then killed the next two packs, too.

[pale crescent]

been having more luck with lightning than flames, the problem is that lightning doesn't "feel" good. i have trouble gauging if im doing enough with it

[vivid schooner]

I'd rather use voidstrike or purgatus, really.

[fresh reef]

What type of damage bonus works for Beasts/Plague Ogryns?

[grave bobcat]

unyielding

[vivid schooner]

unyielding, I think.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 I use this when I need to check keywords.

it's pretty neat

[grave bobcat]

Could kinda include weakspot

into it I guess

[vivid schooner]

He includes stuff like which parts are which keyword and stuff.

[fresh reef]

With Trauma doing full damage to Monstrosities I was just wondering if it was also benefitting from the +25% I have for infested

[vivid schooner]

Though apparently some of the weapon blessings may be inaccurate, there's been reports of weapons that shouldn't have some blessings getting em, but I've seen no evidence.

[uncut hamlet]

I got crucian roulette on an auto gun once

[grave bobcat]

thats normal

[uncut hamlet]

Pretty sure it's supposed to be revolver only

[grave bobcat]

op

nop*

[uncut hamlet]

But +20% crit per empty chamber

The fact that it uses chamber in the first place

[vivid schooner]

the guide does mention crucian showing on autogun, so I guess he learned about it, too.

[grave bobcat]

Se 🙂

[uncut hamlet]

Ig so

[night marten]

I've got one

[uncut hamlet]

They might've updated the text

[grave bobcat]

Its getting fixed soon 😦

It's been "Acknowledged" on the forum apparently

[vivid schooner]

It is a pretty concise guide and I imagine given how rng blessings are, that's the best he can do.

Wait for new info, update as he goes.

[grave bobcat]

I'll give it a gander

[vivid schooner]

I've been trying voidstrike more lately cuz it beats being blinded by purgatus and I'm not sure how to feel about it.

On the one hand, I can occasionally compete with vets. On the other, whenever I can't, I'm kind of really slow at killing anything.

Compared to purgatus/trauma anyway

[grave bobcat]

I wouldn't try to "compete" with the vets at their specialty lol

[night marten]

sounds about right

[vivid schooner]

That's just the nature of the voidstrike, you aim into crowds.

[manic needle]

Crowds that dont have flak, really

[vivid schooner]

and if itt happens to be a bunch of gunners, you can outdo a vet who isn't running autogun or infernus recon

if it is one of those two, he might still outdo it

Most vets I meet use kantraels on higher diff so there's some validity to voidstrike for it. and there's still some cc.

I just can't handle purgatus because I have my gamma turned all the way up

70% of my screen is all white when it's up

surge is surge and I am bad with trauma. find it hard to charge and hard to aim.

Maybe it's time for gun psyker. just accept that I'm a weaker vet and do their job with em :c

[manic needle]

Embrace the Surge staff

Ride the storm. Or something.

[night marten]

use flayer

[manic needle]

It's fun turning Hunting Grounds into normal High Intensity for my team

[night marten]

and if you're going to be shooting from cover anyway, essence harvest with flayer would be great defensively

[vivid schooner]

actually, update, nvm. Weapon swap still gives full dmg on surge.

[night marten]

and since you can aim at elites for flayer's proc, aura would be good

[vivid schooner]

I guess the real benefit of staves for me is still ammo economy

it's really good t o be able to let zealots and ogryns use their big murdery weapons more openly

as for flayer and harvest, I use that on every build anyway, other than surge.

actually I still use harvest with surge, that doesn't change.

[night marten]

would recommend 6-stack or KO for purge with AB

but flayer definitely gives you more staying power

[vivid schooner]

I've tested the value of 6stack and overload

overload is a neat concept for purg but the range on it is iffy at best

and relying on that for random nearby elites is kind of a weird concept

6stack is worth if you can get all 6 on to the blaze push, but because I'm already on purgatus

4 stacks is still a sizeable amount for damnation and I'm already burning with purg staff itself

[placid pike]

cri. It has deflector blessing but the stats are shitty :(( in shop

[vivid schooner]

I prefer flayer because it's far more consistent, than explosive.

I don't use force sword except to use their push or for deflector.

[night marten]

think flayer is great for consistent toughness boost with harvest, but purge's aoe too often wastes the 15 sec proc on poxwalkers. I like KO's consistent added damage on nearby real threats

[vivid schooner]

The abilities are neat but if I have to go into melee range to special a crusher or something, my ogryn/zealot are not doing their job.

[night marten]

I think the range is pretty generous

[grave bobcat]

Just to note that 4 stack AB is pretty shit on high diff

[vivid schooner]

How much range are you getting with overload, it seems to be like, 6-8m for me

[night marten]

let me track down the gif I made of it

[grave bobcat]

But Overload is deceptively far

[vivid schooner]

I only use force blaze for pox hordes and 4 stacks on damnation is about a little under or over half their hp

if I need something inside that horde with more hp dead, the staff itself is how I'd go about it, but I'll try out your recs

granted, I still hate using purg just by nature of maxed out gamma settings making it look like I'm staring into the sun.

[night marten]

this one #psyker-class message and this one #psyker-class message demonstrate KO range

I upload too much shit to this channel

might be further, never deliberately tested its limits, but feel like that's more than enough for any elite that needs to die immediately

[cyan notch]

no thats about the limit

a bit further and it doesnt apply anything

[vivid schooner]

That seems about the same as my experience and I always just point the staff at them directly if needs be

about 30 feet off

or w/e the distance actually is, I can't measure distance

get me a ruler

[fresh reef]

I've tested it before. Range is approx 30 meters

[vivid schooner]

wait, that distance is 30m?

do I not know what a meter is

o no

[fresh reef]

Assuming we're talking about Psykinetic's Wrath range, no?

Didn't bother to scroll up

[vivid schooner]

I mean in actual physical meters

oh no, we're talking about kinetic overload and the distance is in that gif

[fresh reef]

Overload is 4 stack on warp charge right?

[cyan notch]

yea

[vivid schooner]

and then burns enemies ye

[night marten]

*after max

[vivid schooner]

I generally don't feel particularly like it's that great, but bowkill is tryin to convince me and I'm willing to try it.

Psyker is my least played after ogryn, my experiences are limited.

[cyan notch]

its good if you stack it

[night marten]

I've been enjoying 121122

[cyan notch]

damage ramps up like crazy

[vivid schooner]

weirdly, I run kinetic shield instead of deflection. I don't usually need to block very much and mind in motion feels like it never happens because I don't manually quell on the move.

[night marten]

if you're killing a big horde, already have max stacks, and some elites are wading in you're going to melt all of them whether they're in line of fire or not, behind a shield, whatever. it's dying with enough mobs popping charges

[fresh reef]

Very much this. Apply ult to horde, gain constant extra charges, elites melt

[vivid schooner]

kinetic shield isn't all that great, either, but like, of the other two, it's the only one I actively make any use of.

[fresh reef]

Gain ability CD from elite kills

Repeat

[vivid schooner]

my issue was with the distance being only 8m.

Usually any elite in that range of me dies before my stacks reach a breakpoint

and not by me, usually.

because in general, flayer can only be treated as one stack, anyway, so all of our stacks are from communion and blaze

mostly.

Anyway, I'll try it out next 2 weeks or so, see how it feels, thanks.

[vivid schooner]

My issue is how little control we actually have over gaining stacks. ascendant blaze is amazing at it, but I'm always competing for kills with the others.

[grave bobcat]

Doesnt matetr how it dies if it has soulblaze oni t

[vivid schooner]

and of course, I'm not about to bring out brainburst just to get a +1 stack when I can just burn the thing

[grave bobcat]

will always try to proc the 10%

[vivid schooner]

I see, in which case it's the 10% itself.

[half iron]

must brainburst random poxwalker at back of horde to get warp charge

[vivid schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/298591247046672384/1022059452574224384/PK_chibi_shrug.gif

[half iron]

hee hee hee ha!

[grave bobcat]

A lot of shocked faces when they found out its 2bb its now

[vivid schooner]

What do you mean?

[grave bobcat]

T4 and up BB takes 2 hits to for burster

[vivid schooner]

ah

[grave bobcat]

nvm

[night marten]

I'm ashamed to admit I've done this a couple times, when I felt like keeping max stacks was important between waves

[grave bobcat]

Wasn't even mentioned lmfao

Ijust glanced over too fast

[tawny maple]

depending on your charges

[half iron]

everyone has their moments. my beloved has his too

[tawny maple]

but most of the time it will be 2 BBS

[grave bobcat]

6 warps BB doesnr't do 1.4k

someone go check that lmao

im confident its its not though

[vivid schooner]

hmm. anyone done the math on average output for battery vs overload?

Given I almost never use either, I haven't enough sense of the actual dps they provide.

[grave bobcat]

I could

But I won't lmao

[vivid schooner]

Would you take a guess and assume one?

[tawny maple]

Dont think it does but burster probably takes more damage, like mutant

[grave bobcat]

batt

[vivid schooner]

Overload seems rather circumstantial to me and 6 stacks... what does the stack dmg actually affect?

[grave bobcat]

Just cause that 6% is ALL your damage

[vivid schooner]

does it include soulblaze dot?

[grave bobcat]

everyhing

[vivid schooner]

Interesting.

[grave bobcat]

I'm not aware of any exceptions

[vivid schooner]

roller coaster build, then.

[night marten]

6 stacks is the damage passive, quell resistance, AB damage boost.. but the passive damage could mean the difference on important breakpoints (someone else looked into those, I don't know any off the top of my head)

[vivid schooner]

I would use deflection if I had a deflector sword.

[grave bobcat]

I do know 6 warps is 2 shotting the bulwark

[manic needle]

I havent used Essence Harvest since the Closed Beta, basically. How's the Warp Stack life?

[grave bobcat]

instead of 3

1 shotting flamers too

[night marten]

those are both a big deal

[grave bobcat]

mhm

[night marten]

so that's something

[grave bobcat]

I value the 2 BB bulwark al ot

but I dont use AB

so I don't use 6 warp trait iether

lol

[night marten]

I really like it, some prefer the control of quelling for toughness (think this is ideal with a non-force melee since the passive is so much faster). Running an FS with purge/communion/AB essence feels good

would feel better if I also ran flayer, but I like KO for flavor, even if there's an argument to be made about its efficiency

[manic needle]

Yeah I'm running Quietude and Flayer with a Surge Staff build, Psykinetic's wrath also replenishing toughness is amazing and really helps capitalize on its control/defensive potential

[night marten]

surge is probably best staff to run flayer with, limited targets focused on the threats

imo

[manic needle]

Yeah its the only staff I run it with. The 10% proc on stunned elites is fantastic action economy

[grave bobcat]

I just usee it so i nver have to think about my BB chagrs lol

[night marten]

there's that too lol, just nice when flayer blows up something useful too

[grave bobcat]

I run wahetevr the 15% extra dmg is

to BB target

So I 1 shot bulwarks if it procs on the first BB lol

always fun

[manic needle]

I dont much care for Psykinetic's Wrath on surge. I used to but that was earlier on when I was running Malice. I feel like the damage drops off too much on Heresy/Damnation.

And the fact that the 15% only applies on high peril irks me

I actually think it would be much better if it stacked with other staff based feats, but there arent really any that I can think of

[wet gust]

Why surge effect was reverted? It was a messy bug effect?

[grave bobcat]

You get more damage output from the peril resist anyway

With specifically surge

[manic needle]

Strobe effects causing headaches and seizures

[stark nebula]

I dont know if anyone else has had issues with the lawnmower macro swapping to ranged sometimes but this One Weird Trick fixed it for me.

[manic needle]

Someday I will use more macros in video games

[wet gust]

Shit

[manic needle]

Pretty sure the only time I ever have was before they added a keybinding to adjust gamma lighting in ARK

tfw lazy as fuck

[night marten]

played warframe for a long time, had to macro some of that shit. likely to cause carpal tunnel

[manic needle]

AKA Knife Zealot Syndrome

I was using the Tactical Axe for a while because the Emperor decided I could use one with 500+ base rating and good stats/blessings, good lord never again

[night marten]

it's so fun and effective, but it hurts after a while lol

[manic needle]

Yeah Antax is where it's at. Really nice horde clear and no click spamming

[stuck bridge]

i cant even tell wtf is going on in warframe

it's all colors and lights

[night marten]

you're not wrong lol, but they definitely nailed the power fantasy aspect

[manic palm]

got question

does barrage work only when you cast it next to you?

or does it stun around the radius of the burst circle

[stuck bridge]

isnt suppression bugged rn?

[manic needle]

Almost 300 hours and I still havent come across a staff with good stats and terrifying barrage. Sorry I cant help ya.

[manic palm]

no idea

[manic needle]

Thanks really cool RNG store

[stuck bridge]

dreggs are basically suppression immune is what i heard

[manic palm]

rip

pray for your 380 score staffs

[languid osprey]

this aint worth right?

[manic palm]

lemme see

the damage isnt important

the burn is

[manic needle]

good purgatus staff

[manic palm]

this is actualyl pretty good

barrage and warp is good

on prug at least

purg*

[stuck bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/cRDoX4J.png

[languid osprey]

ik the dmg isnt important but 2465?

[stuck bridge]

run and gun makes me want to fucking scream

[manic palm]

mmm

if you really want it

its pretty good

i say its a good purg staff at least if you dont a decent one

[manic needle]

But you can use your left click while sprinting, which is a free +25% damage taken buff

so good

[stuck bridge]

AH!!!!!

[manic needle]

I like taking more damage idk about you

[languid osprey]

watch me buy it and tomorrow getting a perfect one lmao

ill consider thx

[manic palm]

fukin rip

[stuck bridge]

i switched to lasgun psyker for awhile

[manic palm]

good luck

lol

[stuck bridge]

hasnt been the worst thing

just not that fun

[manic palm]

lasgun pysker is fun

get the fast recon laser

just spray into crowds and head pop

[stuck bridge]

yeah that's what im doin

[languid osprey]

what are the best blessings on purge?

[night marten]

warp nexus

[manic needle]

Wait a minute, why havent I noticed this before?

[onyx sentinel]

wow the "Charge Rate" stat on voidstrike is only .3 second difference from worst to best

[manic needle]

Psykinetic's Wrath is both your F ability and a level 10 feat

[cyan notch]

yes

its dumb

[night marten]

"QA"

[manic needle]

Did they ever fix the Mind over Matter/Mind Over Matter penance titles?

[cyan notch]

people usually mean feat if they say psykinetic's wrath tho and F is just F

[manic needle]

Let me check

Nope

[cyan notch]

theyd have to do localisation changes for that

[manic needle]

Mind over Matter is a different penance from Mind Over Matter, wew

[cyan notch]

prob takes time

[manic needle]

Yeah thats not even a priority at this point imo

[wet gust]

how is Force Sword rotation for hordes? I see it a bit clunky

[cyan notch]

light heavy push

[jade geode]

Yeah it's not great for cleave, but the push stagger helps make up for it.
Still gonna take you a while to clear a horde though, compared to like, heavy sword or chainsword, Catashan MK1, etc.

[fresh reef]

FS should be used exclusively for single targets, ideally

Let the staff handle trash mobs

[vast oyster]

Yee

Pretty much just use it for crushers

[orchid nacelle]

i just found another purgatus staff immediately after i bought the one from sire milk

[vast oyster]

I've warp flurry still broken?

Also good staff

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Nexus seems very good though, soul blaze applying like mad

[wet gust]

🥲

[shadow wigeon]

More like re-gifted

[manic needle]

The Emperor got you a middle finger for Christmas

[wet gust]

That would be better than that gift

[rose gazelle]

the emprah is being so generous

[fluid terrace]

i want the fire staff so fufcking bad

[light quail]

fire staff is okay
trauma force is my personal favorite though

[grave bobcat]

You're gonna get suppression blessing and run n gun

[light quail]

making everything in that radius go boom is satisfying

[rose gazelle]

LMAO nah i'm not gonna upgrade just yet with it

gonna wait until we understand all of crafting

[grave bobcat]

Dw the fates alredy told me

[light quail]

found the tzneench worshipper

[grave bobcat]

nah we had the same therapis

[light quail]

I always had the feeling tzneench was the "prank em, john!" vine at its apex

[wet gust]

What do you guys preffer to play as melee?

Duelling vs Force

[grave bobcat]

fOCE

[light quail]

hear me out
devils claw or heavy axe

[grave bobcat]

Force*

[wet gust]

What is heavy axe?

[grave bobcat]

More than that

[light quail]

heavy ax on psyker is surprisingly good
you can take a horde clear staff and still absolutely dunk on armored enemies

[grave bobcat]

Combat knife

[light quail]

the blue one hander

[tawdry shell]

combat axe

[light quail]

long swings and windups but it does some meaty numbers

[wet gust]

How many rerolls do we have on Melk?

[fresh reef]

3 per week I believe

[wet gust]

Shame

I'm stuck with one of those specific contracts with my Zealot and it is a fcking pain in the ass

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zsfki7/this_kind_of_weeklies_should_be_removed_all_of_us

[fresh reef]

Part of me thinks it's bugged, since it doesn't actually gray out the option or anything

Once you hit 7.5k you still have the option to reroll

It just, does nothing lol

[wet gust]

Yep, exactly at 7500

[fresh reef]

I got lucky this week it seems

1000 scab w/ melee and 10 Monstrosities, ezpz

[wet gust]

I've once had a week of a total of 3k coins including the extra for finishing them

[potent echo]

I just spend the 3 rerolls on grim/subobjective/25missions and I never had a problem clearing weeklies on any of my 4 characters

[wet gust]

I still think Scriptures and Grimoires should be always on the maps, like Vermintide 2

[heavy wigeon]

A dev on the forums has stated that you're supposed to have 4 rerolls a week.

So it's "bugged" because it's only giving you 3.

But you're still supposed to have a limited quantity.

[clear heath]

wtf

so you're saying i'm stuck on this bullshit

because the devs couldn't count to 4???

[grave bobcat]

I can't tell if I'm making a non-existent connection here

But does anyone else notice there shop seems to sell stuff you've been using most recently

[clear heath]

no

the shop never gives me shit i actually use

[grave bobcat]

Or it will just prefer towards X item

[fresh reef]

Has anyone encountered two female Seers having lines with each other? I've yet to see it

[grave bobcat]

Hmm dang

Cause I've been messing with the recon lasgun this whole time

And my last 2 resets arte literally all lasguns

[clear heath]

They're probably mostly lasguns just cause there's so many lasguns in the game

[clear heath]

i get a lot of lasguns too

[grave bobcat]

I'm also runn ing the chainsword :p

Earlier it was all laspistols

Cuase I was using the infernus blessing

I dunno maybe its cause I'm actively "looking" for better ersions of weapons i'm using

[clear heath]

I am actively looking for a better surge staff and staves don't even show up

You're just getting more lasguns than other shit cause there's like 12 lasguns in the game

[grave bobcat]

Guess I truly am dreaming

It's wa doingit with axes earlier :p

And I even remember complaining that my shop was actually stocked with force swords

lmao

[clear heath]

god i wish that were me

[grave bobcat]

I dunno I must be fucking imagining it

And just tune out the resets that don't apply to me

[clear heath]

The only consistent thing i've noticed is that there's always exactly 2 curios
Haven't really paid attention to any other patterns

[grave bobcat]

Ah ye

thats true

THose have all been completely random perk/blessing wise

[fresh reef]

I still don't comprehend how I can be carrying a 380 in my inventory and the game has the gall to offer me a 298 gray in the shop

[thorn geode]

what level do you start to see headgear show up in the armory?

[grave bobcat]

Tbf one of my better weapons is 311 lol

Because its mobility stat is 12 so the rest of the stats gt juiced by it

Like this

Low rating but actually good stats

Because of warp being so low

Seeing one of the dead stats on a low rating weapon be extremely low always makes me check them lol

[sharp ibex]

One swing and you turn into a chaos spawn

[grave bobcat]

Actually

"Sacrificial" stat better term for it lol

[sharp ibex]

Dump stat is the universal term

[grave bobcat]

mobility dfoesn't feel like a dump stat 😢

And I finally was able to buy the 3rd variant of the recon lasgun...

Like why was it so rare for me

[sharp ibex]

It is on certain things, but on a DS it turns you into zorro

[tulip drum]

mark V 15% dodge gang

[clear heath]

People consider mobility a dump stat on other melee weps even when they're losing a dodge from it
Force sword gets infinite dodges anyways

All you lose with dumping mobility of force sword is dodge distance

[sharp ibex]

I was convinced the shop would only sell you weapons that you had bad versions of, till I bought good versions of everything except the one I wanted, and was still rewarded with a

[grave bobcat]

First time seeing it after all this trime

[clear heath]

I'm convince the shop just hates me in particular

[grave bobcat]

I feel that

[clear heath]

Also fuck melk

useless ass scam coins

[grave bobcat]

Yeah..

The blessing are always so gassed on pretty meh weapons

[magic hull]

should i reroll the perk

[grave bobcat]

hmm

[clear heath]

So does anyone know why this is even a stat on surge staff?

[grave bobcat]

Tbf its a reroll

they become free after you roll them enough times to you can just pick and choose what you want eventually anyway

[grave bobcat]

Cause it's a crit focused wep?

[cyan notch]

typo

[grave bobcat]

Or you focusing on the melee part

[clear heath]

Does it actually affect the crit chance of lightning or does it not do anything?

I mean the fact it says melee

[grave bobcat]

it does

both melee and the lightning

The Surge staff crits pretty damn often

Excluding other increases

[hardy ingot]

With Ascending Blaze, does the enemy have to die to the fire, or they can just die while being burned?

[grave bobcat]

Oh no

[shut thorn]

the problem is the crit dmg mods for surge make it pointless

[orchid nacelle]

dying with a soulblaze effect on them at all

seems to be the case

[hardy ingot]

Thank the Emperor

[orchid nacelle]

don't quote me on that though

i could be wrong

[grave bobcat]

Ngl i've ben trying that, just nuking them after setting them on fire

And this 10% chance feels like 2%

[shut thorn]

surge staff

[orchid nacelle]

what do this meabn

[grave bobcat]

Lmao my brain instant tuned out the seeing anything remotely similar to work

[heavy wigeon]

They have to die to the fire, which is why it's really underwhelming.

[shut thorn]

it means that outside of flak armor, crits on surge don't basically add anything significant if at all

[orchid nacelle]

ahhh i see

[hardy ingot]

Oh, lame

[shut thorn]

so you might crit on carapace but it's the same dmg as if you hadn't crit, just yellow

[stuck bridge]

sure feels that way

lmao

FUCK

[hardy ingot]

Might as well just use Kinetic Barrage instead, i dunno

[orchid nacelle]

then why does it have such a unique animation for critting with surge

:(

[grave bobcat]

Hmmm

[shut thorn]

highest added dmg seems to be 30% of initial dmg

[stuck bridge]

i wonder how intentional this kind of stuff is, like they had to have play tested it right

[shut thorn]

and thats prob for a 100% crit bonus roll

[grave bobcat]

Yeah so thats what I'm reading

[clear heath]

They do useless unique animations all the time
Staff bonk is probably the most unique looking melee attack in the game

[grave bobcat]

But for instance in-game on unarmored

[olive ember]

you only run AB for the 10% warp charge gain while using specifically purge staff, otherwise always go KB

[grave bobcat]

It's usually double

[shut thorn]

surge dmgs a few ticks

its somewhere in the files but I really don't feel like messing with launching the game, etc rn

[grave bobcat]

lmk if you ever bother

[shut thorn]

mostly in bed atm due coof

[grave bobcat]

I like the numbers 😛

And doesn't reflect what happens in-game say on unarmored for instance

[clear heath]

Those numbers are just these

[onyx sentinel]

Do we have a list of BB breakpoints that isn't outdated/incorrect?

[grave bobcat]

Oh its the base

• crit bonus

[orchid nacelle]

purgatus just feels like it's the most versatile and every other staff is some sort of specialisation

[cold oasis]

what do you need?

[grave bobcat]

Ok now that reflects what happens in game

[onyx sentinel]

basically on heresy and damnation

[cold oasis]

It's pretty much the same on both difficulties

[grave bobcat]

Seems pretty significant to me

[cold oasis]

Flamer and doggo is 2, Zerk is 3, big guys 5 the rest is 1 hits

[olive ember]

most versatile is voidstrike, purgatus is specialization for hordeclear

[orchid nacelle]

voidstrike doesn't feel very versatile

[shut thorn]

test it

[orchid nacelle]

it feels like a hallway destroyer

[grave bobcat]

I already am 🥲

[onyx sentinel]

The reddit post a few weeks ago would tell you otherwise and even that's wrong lol

[grave bobcat]

I'm just removing all the stuff that might change its dmg

lol

To isolate it better

[cold oasis]

I mean, let's be real now, do you even use BB on 4+?

[olive ember]

yes

[orchid nacelle]

with barrage yes

[olive ember]

kek

[shut thorn]

ty, I'd test if I wasn't feeling so terrible

[cold oasis]

With the exception of a few gunners/snipers

[clear heath]

You can also try looking at the damage table in-game

[grave bobcat]

k I found a surge that doesn't have any other modifiers

[grave bobcat]

Yeah this is what I was basing my side off 😛

[orchid nacelle]

if you're using a staff then bb is your only long range option

[olive ember]

surge you basically want terrifying barrage and warp nexus or wte

[shut thorn]

known to not be accurate

[grave bobcat]

get the context first bruh

Ik what Surge needs lol

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[orchid nacelle]

brain burst is also the best at building peril to abuse quietude with

by holding right click

[olive ember]

ik you guys were talking about crit for surge

[shut thorn]

qq special on fs is faster

[olive ember]

but idk what else you would get lmao

[orchid nacelle]

yeah but you need to deliberately roll low warp resistance

[grave bobcat]

And I'm testing for BFG but I wanted a staff with 0 things that would change its damage other than raw stats

[clear heath]

Make sure you remember not to gain any warp charges while testing

[shut thorn]

easiest way to test is to see dmg against armored, non crit and crit

[clear heath]

so turn off flayer and stuff

[shut thorn]

armored's min and max are 0

[grave bobcat]

Already did 😛

[clear heath]

I see you're a purg player

[orchid nacelle]

if you kill an enemy with the upfront damage from the purgatus staff does that count as a soulblaze death

[grave bobcat]

🥲 noop

I hate purge lmao

[shut thorn]

no it's warpfire

[orchid nacelle]

cring

[shut thorn]

(don't question it)

[orchid nacelle]

i have learned not to question anything about 40k

[grave bobcat]

Base damage aiming at Carapace tho

Im glad it crit 2nd try

to make it easy for me

lol

[drowsy fog]

purg is great cal and you know it

[clear heath]

Yeah crit seems to do barely anything

[olive ember]

surge forever

they even reverted the VFX

[grave bobcat]

I like purg when when someone else is using it

[orchid nacelle]

purgatus is my absolute favourite staff

[shut thorn]

yep then its not + crit mod dmg rather

it's dmg * crit mod dmg

rip

[drowsy fog]

you like it when -I- use it lol

[shut thorn]

should have 0 increase in dmg against 'armored'

[grave bobcat]

Yeah cause i'm special killer 🥲

[drowsy fog]

yep, special

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[orchid nacelle]

if they turn voidstrike into a wide cutting wave rather than a sphere

i will consider it

[drowsy fog]

make that the special for fgs

getsuga tensho the heretics

[orchid nacelle]

dark souls moonlight greatsword

[grave bobcat]

GOnna spam surge now just obs not gonna post every image lol

[near wyvern]

stat total and perks are not optimal but the blessings tho

will probs roll that +% crit damage into crit chance

[drowsy fog]

record your surge testing then post every frame individually

[grave bobcat]

I'd just speed itu p

lol

[shut thorn]

reminds me of windows movie maker

from like 2000s

[orchid nacelle]

i have a couple near-perfect purgatus staves

[drowsy fog]

got all my weeklies done so imma level my zealot a bit

[clear heath]

Oh neat, this feat works on both specials and elites despite only saying elites
Just like vet aura

It worked on dog

[grave bobcat]

mhm

I always try to tell people lol

[orchid nacelle]

doesn't "elite" usually refer to basically all specials in general

the wording is somewhat ambiguous

[clear heath]

Does it?

[grave bobcat]

Nop

[orchid nacelle]

it works like that for vet's reload perk

i tested it myself

[clear heath]

There's elite damage perks on weapons i think. Could try that

[shut thorn]

in files, it uses minion.death_proc, which is basically every special/elite

[grave bobcat]

For instance the penance reuqiring elites

And specials dont count

[orchid nacelle]

the "30% reload speed for 5 seconds after killing an elite" procced on literally every single enemy in the grinder

except the trash

[grave bobcat]

I wouldn't say it's the damage amp from crits that really make the surge good though imo

It just crits really often

[orchid nacelle]

surge staff is just a tazer

[left basin]

buf siker

[clear heath]

You trying to convince me these are the same?

[orchid nacelle]

yes.

[clear heath]

hmm

[fresh reef]

Any theories as to why Trauma does 3x less than advertised damage?

[shut thorn]

ye im just saying the reason surge used to nuke flak armor is because there wasn't a flak damage entry in the crit mod before they added the "vfx epilepsy"

[orchid nacelle]

well no specialists are things that do very specific things

bombers, trappers etc i think

[shut thorn]

surge's crit mod is lower than normal, by like 100%

[grave bobcat]

I'm unsure

[orchid nacelle]

but elites is just everything that isn't a poxwalker

[shut thorn]

I distinctly remember killing flak armored in just two zaps

consistently

[grave bobcat]

I wasn't able to play at all during the time between VFX was fucked

[shut thorn]

and only fflak armored

[grave bobcat]

and I played the day it got fixed

[shut thorn]

before the epilepsy patch

epilepsy patch added an entry for flak armor

into the crit_mod stuff

[left basin]

buf siker

[grave bobcat]

Tbf I value it for how easy it makes the crusher lol

[cyan notch]

unregistered hypercam 2

[grave bobcat]

I might have a clip of me using it in grinder

[left basin]

unregistered buf siker

[grave bobcat]

before the cahnges though

[shut thorn]

009 dreamscape

[orchid nacelle]

what is the purpose of voidstrike besides obliterating hallways

i struggle to find its identity

[left basin]

you can also spam it like a moron

[ornate hamlet]

Boom

[grave bobcat]

F I don't

Deleted them already

[left basin]

quell > fastcharge r > quell

[orchid nacelle]

it does make a really funny sound when it impacts a surface really far away

[left basin]

memey spam

if you get a quell on weakpoint hit

and spam voidstrike quell > rmb

it's moronical in how long you can do it

[orchid nacelle]

voidstrike impacting a surface sounds like when a car accident happens outside of a building that you're in

[ornate hamlet]

I have void flurry on mine

It's goofy fun

[grave bobcat]

Surge doesn't... "feel" different...

[left basin]

bonus points if you get the doublestrike blessing

[grave bobcat]

But I'ven ot used it in ages so

[shut thorn]

it looks cool, insane horde clear

[grave bobcat]

🤷

[orchid nacelle]

i gues voidstrike has sheer range

[shut thorn]

the only signiicant change to surge dmg 2 patches ago was

flak armor dmg

flak armor didnt have an entry

so the dmg was 2x

now theres an entry and its like

0 to 0.35 *

[left basin]

if you're real good at leading it you can drop bb eventually

[grave bobcat]

So the base was original 2x and then + the crit bonux also?

[left basin]

and just get flayer

[shut thorn]

no, the crit bonus is override for base

[hexed pasture]

Psyker's "Beloved" is the Star Child

[shut thorn]

look at your test

that bulwark shudv gotten 1x of dmg applied ontop of base dmg, it only got like 0.3x or smth

it explains why surge was doing insane dmg to flak originally

[left basin]

but otherwise it's supposed to be a damage option, but it's weird

[shut thorn]

before the epilepsy mode was added

because they forgot to make a flak damage modifier

[left basin]

i hope there will be a bolt staff for nuking elites at one point

[grave bobcat]

Doesn't Surge always do less dmg to everything affter the original target you were aiming at?

[left basin]

i really want psyker to be a guaranteed threat deleter

[clear heath]

I think what they're saying is flak didn't have a crit bonus stat at all so it just had the base 2x or whatever

[shut thorn]

eh, I've lost hope for that

[shut thorn]

yes

[grave bobcat]

Cause the Bulwark received the "2nd" jump of damage

[shut thorn]

instead of the current 0.35x max it was 2x always

[grave bobcat]

Oh if you're just acknowledging it was changed thats fine

[left basin]

but for some reason some people heavily insist it's designed as a cc/support character

[grave bobcat]

I didn't know anyway lmfao

[left basin]

when it fucking isnt

[shut thorn]

crit dmg is calculated via Base Damage + Base Damage * Crit_mod

default crit mod is 1

[grave bobcat]

I just appreciate that it crits slightly more than half the time I guess

[shut thorn]

flak armor was missing an entry so it's crit mod on surge was ALWAYS 1x

[grave bobcat]

Ok ye

[shut thorn]

instead of the current 0 to 0.35

its why it used to nuke flak armor

[clear heath]

Yeah the devs probably didn't intend for the psyker to be a support class but it sure ended up as one

"Elite killer" lmao

[grave bobcat]

Now i see what you're trying to point out but I was ignorant from the beginning lo

[shut thorn]

also surge used to have the highest dps of any weapon in game

[drowsy fog]

wowowowowowow nevermind on leveling my zealot good lord the pug I landed in was a travesty, its a sign

[shut thorn]

because the minimum cancel - > release time

if done right

was like 20 to 40ms

(depending on ping)

meaning you could stack damage extremely fast

[fresh reef]

Expecting good pug teammates was your first mistake lol

[shut thorn]

veteran_3's feats all revolve around nuking elites

so much for psykinetic being the elite killer

[fresh reef]

Plan to carry, hope you don't have to: this is the way

[fresh reef]

Hey at least we buff their elite killing potential by 10%

[left basin]

it's supposed to be a guaranteed, but slow way to remove peskier elites from the game

[shut thorn]

wow an amazing 10%

[left basin]

but right now BB is.. something

[clear heath]

At least our class is still useful for something

[left basin]

maybe one day

[clear heath]

and we managed to steal half the job of ogryn

[shut thorn]

psyker subclasses

[clear heath]

poor ogryn

[shut thorn]

have way better

g key weps

[fresh reef]

The one thing I find BB is always useful for is bulwarks

[shut thorn]

psyker_1 has homing throwing knives w true flight

[bleak tulip]

is a baby surge really better than BB?

I have my doubts

[shut thorn]

yes

[clear heath]

It doesn't really take that much to be better than BB

[shut thorn]

im gonna delete that so devs dont realize

[left basin]

what's the psyker_whatevers you talking about

[shut thorn]

archetype specializations

we're psyker_2

[left basin]

dmine?

[shut thorn]

yep

[left basin]

is it somewhere on reddit?

[orchid nacelle]

wait psyker's getting a forcefield class?

I FUCKING CALLED IT

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/noe-gif-19156053

[shut thorn]

ye

[bleak tulip]

im just not super impressed with any of the other G's ngl

[orchid nacelle]

I PREDICTED THAT SHIT DAY ONE

[left basin]

please i want a big badaboom psyker

[shut thorn]

gets palpatine hands on g, 10% dmg taken reduction aura and a dome thing

feats are stuck in backend so no idea what they are but prob stuff to boost G and F

considering some of the code in them

[orchid nacelle]

my first idea for psyker was "Boy it sure would be nice if we could use Telekine Dome"

[shut thorn]

psyker data has been getting removed from the datastream overtime

prob cuz most of it is ready

[bleak tulip]

I cant wait for me to drop it and everybody walks out of it

[light quail]

I hope we see an unchained psyker sometime

[bleak tulip]

because the visuals are all fucked up or because people are idiots

[clear heath]

wdym ready? the psyker class that currently exists is barely "ready"

[shut thorn]

psykinetic is unchained

[orchid nacelle]

i hope it behaves like telekine dome behaves on tabletop and reflects ranged attacks back at the origin

[light quail]

btec unchained
like preacher is btec zealot

[shut thorn]

it has entries about blocking ranged and such

so prob itll have a reflect

hopefully

[orchid nacelle]

GOOD

that's literally the defining feature of telekine dome

[bleak tulip]

except psykinetic doesnt really have any traits that give you much of anything for being high peril in melee or anything like that because all the trailts are ass

[shut thorn]

force dmg

[drowsy fog]

so its just 100% better than psykinetic lol

[shut thorn]

no bb

[bleak tulip]

yeah as I said, the traits are ass

[drowsy fog]

yep 100% better

[grave bobcat]

Why is the VIIa rrecon lasgun so much stronger than the other 2 omg

[orchid nacelle]

what's the brain burst alternative

[shut thorn]

what are you gonna do abt pesky snipers and bombers, or reapers

[bleak tulip]

zappy hands

[orchid nacelle]

oooo

i was hoping for Crush or Telekinesis or something

[drowsy fog]

I dont have to do anything about them, theres always a vet

[light quail]

I'm already thinking about Frost from warframe with that

[viscid cloak]

is that the 14-15 firerate one?

[orchid nacelle]

please don't make me think of warframe

[grave bobcat]

We had 3 psykers 1 zealot earlier llol

[shut thorn]

the vet is busy meleeing horde

[clear heath]

bold of you to assume the vet will actually shoot enemies

[grave bobcat]

yeah

[bleak tulip]

still void

[shut thorn]

wtff is void

did u mean

forcestaff_bfg

[orchid nacelle]

step 1 charge up purgatus
step 2 left click
step 3 spin around like a top

[viscid cloak]

Honestly?, it only uses 1 ammo per bullet unlike the others that use 2 or more

[drowsy fog]

vets always gun down whatever im trying to bb... if I dont have bb they wont gun it down shit

[bleak tulip]

theyll never fix quell cancel on bolt so I can still kill and or suppress reapers until they die when the subclass comes out im sure

[viscid cloak]

so more ammo efficient

[left basin]

i want surge LMB to be a single target bzzt

[light quail]

fr though I'm excited for the new careers

[orchid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/o47a.gif

[shut thorn]

no thanks

wait for zappy hands

[light quail]

psykinetic doesnt quite cut it, not having as much fun as I do with ogryn

[shut thorn]

thats gonna have a quick bzzt

[grave bobcat]

Ohh its using 2 ammo per shot I didn't notice that until now lol

[clear heath]

they will definitely fix it
If they have a chance to make psyker weaker, they'll take it. Whether that involves fixing bugs or adding them

[orchid nacelle]

i like psykinetic but it feels like it lacks identity

[grave bobcat]

Now it makes more sense then

[shut thorn]

its the hybrid between the other two specs

[left basin]

yes thanks. all staves must have a separate lmb

[orchid nacelle]

it doesn't deal enough damage to be called a glass cannon and its synergies are all weapon blessing interactions

[light quail]

brainblast is cool as heck but it feels so weak on heresy+

[shut thorn]

psyker_1 is abt doing dmg, and only dmg, suffers at evverything else
psyker_3 is abt dmg reduction and cc

[clear heath]

Imo it's a very distinct class. It just doesn't have the identity that most people were expecting or hoping for

[viscid cloak]

wich is why i go gun psyker, brain burst for elites and specials, gun for dealing with ranged enemies

[dawn orchid]

I love me some palpatine hands, I wonder how it'll compare to the surge staff for shitting lightning everywhere

[left basin]

and psyker_2 is about people complaining in a class subchannel

[orchid nacelle]

so which one is going to be the SOTT stand-in

[left basin]

veteran JTAC

[light quail]

I kinda want to see a pyromancer though
with the homing boi skill

[bleak tulip]

theyll never bring that back

[left basin]

summons a virus bomb strike every time they manage to look at a weakpoint

[shut thorn]

nah u get throwing knives instead

pyromancer used to be default

[orchid nacelle]

i don't want regular wizard powers on my psyker

[bleak tulip]

theyre scared of making it OP again and not fixing it

[shut thorn]

we had a magic missile

[light quail]

I feel pyromancer could work well in DT

[orchid nacelle]

part of being a psyker is that they're cooler than wizards

lmao

[shut thorn]

they tried it

[left basin]

wym

[bleak tulip]

I mean psykinetic has the pyro skills already, they just all suck lmao

[shut thorn]

there's a lot of left over obsolete code for psyker 'magic missile' that seeks

identical vt2 pyromancer behaviour

[light quail]

A lot of them feel like they dont have synergy tbh

outside of a select few cases

[orchid nacelle]

you remember how vt2 pyromancer could oneshot basically every elite on every difficulty if BH crit

[bleak tulip]

it all wouldnt be such a problem if soulblaze didnt scale so fucking badly

where one stack does all of llike 2 damage

[orchid nacelle]

please god all i want is for brain burst to be multi-target

just 5 enemies would make it so much better

[light quail]

they could have kept it with weak as piss dmg but enemies are caught in an animation?

[clear heath]

man i miss unchained
being one hit away from exploding was a thrill

[light quail]

but nah

[shut thorn]

go back in time by abt 5 months and work at fat shark

[dawn orchid]

I agree, there's not much direction like the other trees. Although my biggest gripe is that so many of the feats are overdesigned to the point of uselessness.

[orchid nacelle]

i'd say they're not overdesigned at all

in fact i'd say they're underdesigned

[light quail]

this
unchained was and still is such a joyride

[shut thorn]

psykinetic is the result of scaling down psyker to fit the game

we were originally a biomancer

w a soul mechanic

to throw seeking missile things

[orchid nacelle]

i imagine it's a result of us being

not soul-bound to emps

[bleak tulip]

arent charges still called souls internally

[shut thorn]

it was probably broken

af

[orchid nacelle]

like a normal sanctioned psyker

[shut thorn]

considering yknow

imagine having 6 brainbursts

that u can dish out

within seconds

[drowsy fog]

yeah that sounds actually functional

[orchid nacelle]

that would be kinda fun and functional

LMAO

[light quail]

i feel the best way to do bb is have it scale in speed and efficiency with charges aquired
gets faster and costs less with more warp charges

[shut thorn]

yes

also whats funny is that

[dawn orchid]

Sounds great actually, psyker got robbed

[shut thorn]

psyker_2 aka psykinetic is called biomancer in files
psyker_1 aka biomancer is called gunslinger in files

[dawn orchid]

Now we get shitty warp charges for a tiny damage boost and a huge pain in the ass to maintain

[shut thorn]

don't question it

[left basin]

gunker 😮

[shut thorn]

same goes for zealot_3 and zealot_2

[light quail]

hope one of those is called "redemptionist"

[drowsy fog]

zealots just mad they didnt get the gene seed

[orchid nacelle]

i'm convinced psykinetic was specifically designed to generate trailer footage and not actually to be played

[shut thorn]

zealot_2 ingame is called preacher, in files it's maniac
zealot_3 ingame (cosmetics) is called banisher, in files it's preacher

don't question it

[potent echo]

Aren't they just placeholders? Given fatshark's record they will change their minds on a dime

[shut thorn]

psyker subclasses have been almost entirely fleshed out

[bleak tulip]

I mean its possible things change but thats the current state

[shut thorn]

devs are prioritizing psyker

[drowsy fog]

still pretty stinky they launched without multiple subclasses

[oblique jasper]

What are the subclasses for psyker

[potent echo]

Then why so many bugs

[shut thorn]

psyker related code is also being gradually removed from streamed store and data

[potent echo]

I'm joking but

[oblique jasper]

And will re leveling have to take place

[shut thorn]

meaning its p much done

[shut thorn]

cuz psyker even w/o subclasses has more code than all the other classes combined

[drowsy fog]

do not make me re-level I stg

[shut thorn]

no idea, hopefully not

theyre called specializations in the files

so it's prob something u switch

[bleak tulip]

theyre fixing psyker by making everyone play a different subclass while they eventually fix psykinetic a few years down the line

[oblique jasper]

Re leveling would not suck as bad if the items could be shared between the two

[orchid nacelle]

it would be nice if fatshark had a github commits page

[shut thorn]

you have archetypes then you have archetype specializations

[orchid nacelle]

where we could see development ongoing

[oblique jasper]

Yeah

[shut thorn]

there's stuff in the files I don't feel like sharing, would be a bad idea

[brisk panther]

finally got a decent force sword. after some testing i kinda like it tbh

[orchid nacelle]

would you say they're positive or negative

[light quail]

positive, I hope

[shut thorn]

it can affect fatshark's income

[oblique jasper]

Sounds negative from their phrasing

[drowsy fog]

I doubled my framerate limit and good god no go back go back

[shut thorn]

so I'm not going to talk about it

[oblique jasper]

How will this affect Lebron’s career?

[orchid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/bIRbY.gif

[shut thorn]

it's not something negative

[light quail]

Lebron James reportedly using brainblast on damnation

[shut thorn]

Just it shouldn't be released

as of now

[orchid nacelle]

you know what would kick so much ass

[oblique jasper]

Kewl

[grave bobcat]

We're at the point that I kinda wish my inventory had a search option

[drowsy fog]

you cant be so vague and expect me to not be curious

[orchid nacelle]

an export to 3d printer button to make my own mini of my characters

[shut thorn]

there's also a way to mess with account IDs which I hope gets fixed

thats probably

priority 1# rn

[oblique jasper]

Sort by name helps

[grave bobcat]

Yeah thats what i've been dong

[oblique jasper]

Account ID?

What’s that for

😁

[grave bobcat]

But still gotta scroll for a fewe seconds 🥲

[shut thorn]

your steam/gamepass account

it's brickable

[drowsy fog]

I'd like to be able to alter more than my characters appearance. Lemme alter their homeworld, backstory, name, voice

[shut thorn]

which is why rn, if anyone shills some darktide+ or whatever third party stuff

do not run it

[light quail]

mindwiper

[shut thorn]

without making sure of wtf it does

[light quail]

or whatever that one chapter uses to expunge knowledge of the traitors

[shut thorn]

the code's there to be able to do it

[bleak tulip]

not surprising, likely just QA tho

[oblique jasper]

I saw someone with 5 lvl 30 ogryns

[drowsy fog]

give it to meeeeeee

[bleak tulip]

or a way to add it later should they want to

[oblique jasper]

Pretty cool fellow

[shut thorn]

this

[drowsy fog]

again tho why 5 character slots and 4 classes

[bleak tulip]

testing the myriad of ways it doesnt affect shit right now but maybe soon™️

[drowsy fog]

WHATS THE 5TH CLASS FATSHARK

[shut thorn]

don't know, there doesn't seem to be any plans for a new archetype

[oblique jasper]

Psyker but more psyker

[bleak tulip]

I dont want the subclasses to be separate

[shut thorn]

the system is set up to handle 'breeds' (for us thats humans and ogryn) but I doubt theyll add another

[bleak tulip]

but seeing the 5 char limit made me think they might be

[light quail]

I dont think they will be

[shut thorn]

there are references to 5 emote slots and an implant slot (cosmetic)

[oblique jasper]

What’s the plan of subclasses bfg

[shut thorn]

but they seem to be cut

[orchid nacelle]

i need WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOM

[cyan notch]

didnt they say emotes are coming

[low tulip]

dumb question... but can purgatus staff crit? and does the burn crit?

[shut thorn]

vet_1: drill sgt (sqleader)
vet_2: sharpshooter (grunt/ranged)
vet_3: shock trooper (no descriptor,)
zel_1: pious stabber (no descriptor)
zel_2: preacher (maniac)
zel_3: banisher (no descriptor)
ogr_1: gun lugger (same)
ogr_2: skullbreaker (bonebreaker)
ogr_3 bullgryn ("melee")
psy_1: biomancer (gunslinger)
psy_2: psykinetic (biomancer)
psy_3:wyrdvane (protectorate)

[bleak tulip]

breeds are just enemy types

[wet gust]

LUL

[shut thorn]

no, it applies to players too

breed determines where it gets anims from

[bleak tulip]

sure but thats where I assume the add function comes from

I have serious doubts we'll see a new archetype anytime soon

if ever

[shut thorn]

same

[bleak tulip]

too much shit to do

[shut thorn]

there seems to be nothing indicating it

[light quail]

goddamn they missed the opportunity for a redemtionist zealot

[shut thorn]

also the valkyrie customization stuff was for

internal mission editor

it exists for npcs too

a lot of the weapons also have modular components

[oblique jasper]

How long until we see subclasses rolled out

[shut thorn]

shame its not being utilized

[light quail]

might be what controls the clothes and looks of poxwalkers

[shut thorn]

no idea, most of them are barely a thing

[shut thorn]

yup

[bleak tulip]

that system likely just got scrapped, a lot of the shit people are finding is typical cut content I expect, happens to basically all games

[orchid nacelle]

given that they were obviously inspired by dawn of war for most of psyker's kit i'm surprised they didn't commit making brain burst actually be death dealing murder mechanism like Strip Soul

[left basin]

around the same time period as vt2 premclasses?

[oblique jasper]

Also. As long as we can share items between subclasses and its main class, I’ll be fine with re leveling

[bleak tulip]

especially games that go through big sweeping revamps

[shut thorn]

customization is used for devs internally

[oblique jasper]

It’s just the items that suck

[shut thorn]

as for the modular components on weapons

its used

its cosmetic components

stuff like blade shape, hilt shape, etc, what sight you have

and such

[bleak tulip]

I guess they found another use for it then

[light quail]

praying classes share cosmetics

[shut thorn]

it's used for making marks mostly

[wet jacinth]

Time. To. AloeSnackbar and perilcide for that dumb penance and kill 3 elites..

[orchid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/psyker-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-command-squad-imperial-guard-gif-23571492

[clear heath]

doubt

[shut thorn]

doesnt seem like it

all cosmetics start with like

[light quail]

[shut thorn]

archetypename_career_number

[wet jacinth]

Classes will probably have shared cosmetics but several will be class locked

[light quail]

aquila stuff should stay unlocked at least

[shut thorn]

didn't see anything for that

[light quail]

please

[bleak tulip]

why would you expect they'd be shared anyway

[shut thorn]

all the dev comments are stuff like

"This is psyker wyrdvane cosmetic yada yada navy slacks"

"this is psyker psykinetic cosmetic yada yada navy slacks"

[bleak tulip]

it will, for the subclass you bought it for

[light quail]

some of them would work across classes
vet's little headset

[oblique jasper]

I’m pretty sure that the shop will eventually be revamped or crafting will be made better

[light quail]

[wet jacinth]

[cyan notch]

cosmetics didnt share for vt2 careers either

[shut thorn]

crafting is p much done, on frontend at-least

[bleak tulip]

there is rerolls for shops in the code, I doubt itll be canned ompletely

[shut thorn]

they're probably working on high priority bugs

[low tulip]

can you crit with purgatus staff? and if so, does the burn crit as well?

[shut thorn]

crits add a new stack of soulblaze

past limit

[wet jacinth]

Burn harder

[low tulip]

ty!

[bleak tulip]

theyre working on top prio shit like crashes, pretty sure. Thats been basically all of the last hotfixes

[shut thorn]

the code for this was around since preorder beta, made functional when surge became epilepsy

[oblique jasper]

How to crit more with purg

[left basin]

wait so it's a good idea to roll for a critpurg?

[shut thorn]

warp nexus

[wet jacinth]

Crit rate.

[shut thorn]

yes

[left basin]

mm maybe i will

[oblique jasper]

Does burn + bleed work anymore

[shut thorn]

they're different 'ailments' so yeah