psyker-class

[simple junco]

Axe is the winner for your setup. You either want to run a CC staff with a single target melee, or a focused staff with a CC melee.

Not necessarily required, but it balances you out pretty nicely

[undone quiver]

Sure

[jovial glacier]

yeha it is, but ive read multiple accounts all over internet, that it doesnt work on malice

[undone quiver]

Yeah, the combat axe seems only ok at actually killing hordes cuz it attacks slowly

[wise pecan]

Outdated. They fixed that bug

[undone quiver]

The push attack spam is nice, especially for mobility, but it doesn't actually kill stuff as fast as I'd maybe like

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. i would retry. 5mn, just playing normally, with autopop and no warp consume and go

[jovial glacier]

than i dont know anymore. I should have gotten this penance naturally as i play, 5 minutes with 4 charges is easy

[jaunty atlas]

and take a nosedive after the 5mn mark

[grizzled iris]

Peril bug is fixed?

[jaunty atlas]

no, but surge is

[grizzled iris]

Cuz I can't seem to get the peril bug while using my surge

[simple junco]

True, it's not a catch-all weapon. You can also run a slaughter FS and push hordes back if you want a pocket CC option.

[jovial frigate]

emperor gave me this but i've never used a claw sword past like level 2

[stone narwhal]

They're okay, but I prefer the force sword with deflector.

[grizzled iris]

Ah, the Mk IV the Dog killer

[undone quiver]

How are the other axes? Or is the push attack on the combat axe really just unique?

[jovial glacier]

No deflector, bleh.

[jovial frigate]

just dont get shot

[stone narwhal]

Claw on Veteran is "okay," but Chainswords and Power-Swords are just objectively better.

[wise pecan]

I like force sword even with surge because I don’t have a brutal momentum axe in a somewhat decent team I can still shove and snowplow through hordes effectively enough to not die and to revive allies

[simple junco]

I'm not too terribly well versed on the axe differences, I personally run knife since I use a Purg staff. But I think they're unique.

[pine iris]

FS with deflector. I walk around in hordes blocking. no issues

[simple junco]

(this is your daily knife propaganda)

[proud mantle]

so if a weapon doesnt have any stat with the word "cleave" in it it does 0 cleave?

[undone quiver]

What's the force sword build?

[long wharf]

has anyone confirmed that the forcestaff VFX revert is actually in the game?

[mental rock]

no, weapons still cleave through enemies

[wise pecan]

I don’t think so, it just means that the cleave is either determined by some other stat bar or is static

[mental rock]

I recommend watching a video on hitmass to learn more

[grizzled iris]

No, weapons with Cleave in them are just more built for it most of the time

[wise pecan]

Usually if it doesn’t say cleave there will be a stat like “Crowd Control” or “Defense” covering cleave ratios and damage

[simple junco]

If you're gonna run FS with surge, I'd recommend slaughterer with deflector. This isn't the PERFECT setup, but it does help you get in range to stun the shooter backline.

[proud mantle]

thanks yall, ill test some more intricacies in meat grinder

[long wharf]

frankly, I don't find FS with surge as good a combination as combat axe with surge

[grizzled iris]

FS build is just a FS with Deflector blessing, pref stacking some block efficiency and getting the "Kinetic Deflection" feat at level 20

[simple junco]

Yeah, we already went into that lol

[wise pecan]

It probably isn’t, but it still works even on Damnation

[mental rock]

duelling with surge bros where you at

[long wharf]

I guess

[simple junco]

Knife supremacy

[long wharf]

"works in damnation" is more about competence and teamwork

as long as bases are covered, you can do it

[grizzled iris]

Yea, Surge isn't that good with FS, however imo if you're running Purgatus, you have to use FS. If running Voidstrike you can run w/e and Trauma I recommend FS

[simple junco]

Ehhh, for trauma wouldn't a chainsword be better?

[wise pecan]

I switch between surge and purgatus frequently, so having my melee just be force sword is convenient

[long wharf]

HUZZAH I CAN SURGE AGAIN

[wise pecan]

I don’t know what the fuck trauma users should use. It’s short range, so you want deflector, but generates massive peril, so you want the better auto-quell. Trauma users just get fucked ig?

[long wharf]

trauma isn't in a good place right now

it needs more than peril adjustment

[warm latch]

is the surge staff still a strobe light?

[long wharf]

nope

[simple junco]

Trauma just needs some peril cost adjustments and it's p good

[long wharf]

they reverted the staff VFX for all staves

[simple junco]

Did they revert purg to back to what it was too?

[long wharf]

trauma needs a CC style effect to bring it in-line with what the other staves accomplish

[warm latch]

thank god I could not even play with it because it hurt my eyes

[wise pecan]

Maybe a knife, actually. Knife has good dodge vs range, so you can blow people up, scramble over, and shamk the survivors while your peril quells

[long wharf]

I want to see trauma place a patch of soulblaze

and make the max radius significantly larger

[simple junco]

Yes, come to the dark side

[long wharf]

and the starting radius a little larger

[simple junco]

If trauma just became focused Purg that would be huge

Especially with how AB actually works

[wise pecan]

No thanks, I like not having carpal tunnel

[simple junco]

Yes, consider the dark side at a later date then

[mental rock]

bros

[long wharf]

purge staff attacks need to count as soulblaze damage

[mental rock]

what if trauma sent a vertical line of damage or something

[wise pecan]

For Ascendant Blaze?

[long wharf]

yep

using the purge staff should be all-in on soulblaze feat syngery

[wise pecan]

That actually doesn’t matter! Ascendant Blaze’s description is a lie

[simple junco]

If they're on fire and die, it still gives you the stack

[long wharf]

that's my biggest gripe with AB right now

[simple junco]

Lemme find that video

[wise pecan]

Any enemy that dies while on soulfire has a chance for the stack

Soulblaze does not have to land the kill

You can test it in the psykanium

[long wharf]

AB needs to also be changed to - any enemy that dies while affected by your soulblaze has 10% chance to generate a warp charge

[simple junco]

#psyker-class message here it is

[long wharf]

yes it does, unless today's patch changed it, I've tested this repeatedly

[wise pecan]

It currently is like that

You have tested poorly, apparently. I tested it yesterday and it worked

[loud mist]

Are there any dump stats on the Surge Staff?

[simple junco]

The message is literally above yours that proves it works this way

[clear heath]

We should really just get the video pinned

[long wharf]

what I'm seeing is a chainsword doing damage at the same time as the dot tick

[simple junco]

We should have a lot of things pinned

[simple junco]

Second charge proves it

Oneshot, no additional damage dealt

[undone quiver]

Idk, is there a build for that?

I like the dueling swords, it appeaes fun when you use it, it just doesn't actually seem to actually work when I use it

[simple junco]

Knife

Build: Stab

[long wharf]

I'm jumping into sedition meat grinder

[mental rock]

just use the duelling sword for horde clear, use the surge for CCing and killing elites

[long wharf]

I'm going to place a single stack of soublaze on a target that I can one-shot with my axe

no feats active but AB

[clear heath]

I mean, you can see me doing it

[wise pecan]

One thing that I’m curious about is if communion and ascendant blaze can stack (giving 2 charges for the same enemy)

[undone quiver]

Which dueling sword? And how do you use it for horde clear?

When I used it last, I felt like I was bopping folks with a pool noodle

[wise pecan]

Eh it’s best to let him test himself.

[long wharf]

I'm telling you that what you're seeing is the chainsword's multihit covering the soulblaze dot getting the kill

[simple junco]

They're different sources, so I think they stack

[bleak tulip]

that last one does seem pretty unambiguous, nice

thats a good change

[simple junco]

Watch the video again, first one was POSSIBLY the case. Second charge proves it otherwise.

[clear heath]

I was second guessing myself there too, which is why i did it again at the end with a cleaner kill

[wise pecan]

Chainsword does not multihit except on special

[mental rock]

https://gyazo.com/566c402a3935935a5d315eb22107e7e5

[burnt python]

does mk v actually cleave enough to proc rampage?

[mental rock]

yes

I solo hordes on heresy with no issue

[burnt python]

i mean y ou can solo hordes with any melee, have you tested in grinder that the proc works?

i imagine it does on crits but im p sure it only hits 2 on normal lights

[wise pecan]

To be fair, grinder is not a great place for that test

[sharp ibex]

You can push things together but yea

Hordes are more dense in a mission

[burnt python]

density doesnt effect how many get cleaved, you can push together ingrinder and test fine

[mental rock]

just tested in the meat grinder with a push slice and it hit three easily

[burnt python]

ok ty

[bleak tulip]

just the last one

[wise pecan]

Density affects how many get cleaved if there just aren’t enough dudes getting hit by your sword

[sharp ibex]

^

[burnt python]

yes, but you can push them together in grinder and test that...

[sharp ibex]

But the point is moot anyway

So lets move on

[burnt python]

homie tested and it works thats good for me, ty antagonist

[long wharf]

okay, your chainsword does a mini-rev hit on heavy swing

[night marten]

all psyker penances complete

[long wharf]

I'm not seeing at all warp charges on soulblazed enemies as I hack them with an axe

now I'm going to test with a chainsword

[mental rock]

looks like my duelling sword can hit four enemies at once, more with a crit

[sharp ibex]

Still grinding out the last few missions >.<

[wise pecan]

Dude, I tested it with a force sword. It works.

[sharp ibex]

Wow, check this ogryn chad, what is HP

[burnt python]

last clip posted shows it very clearly working

[long wharf]

the last clip was a heavy swing that multi-hits

[burnt python]

my guy why do you have so many wounds lmao

[mental rock]

wounds=/=hp

[sharp ibex]

It's level 1

[burnt python]

ah

[mental rock]

oh wait

[leaden pier]

how many lifeleech penances are there

[simple junco]

-1 wounds

[mental rock]

I see

[long wharf]

which has me thinking that the damage display is what is confusing you into thinking you're getting a melee kill when the soulblaze is doing the kill

[wise pecan]

Clearly you did not test rigorously enough with your axe

[long wharf]

let's jump into a chat then

and I'll screenshare

[simple junco]

Keep testing it, we have multiple instances of it working. Unless the recent patch removed it.

[wise pecan]

Force sword one-shots on sedition headshots. It is not the soulblaze lasthitting

[simple junco]

In that case we should verify one way or the other

[long wharf]

I'm in chat 51

[proud mantle]

does sedition have a higher chance of dropping weapons or something

[clear heath]

You'd think if it was some coincident of it happening at the same time, it'd be much more rare than it was

[proud mantle]

i got 2 oranges playing with a new friend

[simple junco]

Exactly

This is a good opportunity to see if it still works period

[bleak tulip]

dont think so

[clear heath]

I'll try testing it again just in case tho

[long wharf]

jump into chat 51 and share your screen

[clear heath]

also it's an old vid, so who knows? Maybe it got patched

[long wharf]

I've killed like 50 of these guys now

not a single warp charge

[night marten]

@long wharf confirmed I'm getting charges with nothing but AB in feats just killing things with FS, after putting one stack on them*

[simple junco]

Try switching to a FS for continuity testing

[long wharf]

ok, I'll switch to force sword then

[near wyvern]

This will depend on the type of enemy. Each enemy has a hit mass value and your weapon will have a cleave value.

You will hit targets as long as current_swing_cleave is greater than 0. Each hit will reduce current_swing_cleave by their hit mass.

So you can maybe cleave 4 poxwalkers but if there is a scab bruiser and you miss the head on it, you might cleave only 2 targets.

[mental rock]

im aware

I was talking about using it as horde clear with is why I was testing with pox walkers

[simple junco]

Should we compile what we have and pin them in a separate thread?

Like, make a Q&A thread

[clear heath]

I'm gonna try with an axe and see if i can record it

[wise pecan]

you just got a charge @long wharf

[steel flame]

The irony of the dueling sword having better crowd cleave then a warp infused broad sword is palpable

[graceful sail]

is the stats worth the swap? i started using this weapon after a suggestion here to just block-push-hit repeat lol

[long wharf]

I did, but that's the first time, which just confirms what I've been saying, that it's a timing issue and damage display issue

[sacred lodge]

hmm... warp battery or kinetic overload for a purgatus build?
I mean I know kinetic flayer is also a thing, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't look very useful, but I could be wrong

[wise pecan]

i'll screenshare myself, one mo

[sacred lodge]

setup thus far is 1 1 1 3 1 2

[bleak tulip]

I just did it twice in a row I even waited for the number to tick before I hit

[simple junco]

1 time confirms? Keep it up man, 100 per centage testing

[night marten]

I just hit 4 charges in ~60 seconds one-shotting things in meatgrinder malice with only 1 stack of soulblaze applied

[long wharf]

you don't understand, I'm repeatedly killing three guys over and over

[steel flame]

Flayer is the best option right now. More passive bb for warp charges

[long wharf]

jump into chat 51 and screenshare

[grave bobcat]

What're you guys upto I havent been abnle to keep up wiuth coytext

context*

[long wharf]

is this is a difference in methodology issue, I'd be happy to figure that out

I'm simply not seeing the results you guys are

[simple junco]

We're proving to pfhoenix that AB works by killing something with soulblaze on

#psyker-class message

... Even though we have evidence

[steel flame]

WE MUST STORM CHAT 51 AND PURGE THE XENOS SCUM HIDING THERE

[clear heath]

Well, better to get better footage to remove all doubt

[sacred lodge]

just kind of wish that brain burst was... not complete garbage? because that's like our defining feature, right? infinite grenades and popping heads?

[clear heath]

I'm trying to get a better recording so we have something good to pin

[simple junco]

Fair, once we get absolute footage we can ask a mod to pin that

[grave bobcat]

Make sure you fresh restart your grdinder

[simple junco]

We should also include the patch number and date recorded just in case it changes

[wise pecan]

consider, pfhoenix, that RNG is not reliable

[keen belfry]

Smash or Pass?

[simple junco]

RNG manipulate the frame perfect AB abuse

[night marten]

@long wharf maybe soulblaze is ticking right on kill or something??

[bleak tulip]

heres two more, skip to last one obv, shadowplay can only do 15 sec minimum

[night marten]

some weird behavior

[bleak tulip]

maybe it helps

[steel flame]

Its not even the bb that's useful, more that it's a consistent source of regular warp charges you can build passively along with coherence warp charge feat, letting you fire off swarm melting fire ults without needing to touch bb, along with soulblaze also giving you warp charge, you will always have max stacks during a fight

[grave bobcat]

Did you restart grinder?

before you made these clips lol

[clear heath]

Here's proof AB gets warp charges on any kill as long as there's soulblaze

[fading yew]

Do simple m1's with the Force Sword trigger Warp Absorption's 10% toughness heal for "killing with a Warp attack"?

[clear heath]

@long wharf

[simple junco]

You can run it through media player and trim it if you need to

[clear heath]

This should be unambiguous. Showed my loadout and everything. Even shows my axe will always one shot.
How do we get this pinned?

[night marten]

that might be it

[long wharf]

Json, your video shows you hitting precisely in time with the soulblaze dot

time your hits to be between soulblaze dot ticks

[night marten]

real tough to say due to how quickly soulblaze ticks

[teal needle]

Is that new with the patch?

[simple junco]

Maybe get a low burn Purg staff?

[clear heath]

fuck

[night marten]

^ what's the burn value you're working with on the purge staff @long wharf

ah ok

same

[clear heath]

Mine is 49%
It shouldn't affect the tick rate anyways. Just the application rate

[simple junco]

If something dies, 32 damage shouldn't matter after the fact. So unless it's dying twice I don't see how that's an issue. Though this is worth going into

[night marten]

@long wharf idk, think I just got one between ticks

i'll try to time it, watch close

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

I waited

[near wyvern]

You should also add there some important break points, like:

• groaner heads, 200 unarmoured

• poxwalker heads, 300 infested

• scab bruiser heads, 400 unarmoured

• dreg bruiser heads, 450 flak

• scab shooter heads, 300 flak

• scab stalker heads, 360 flak

• dreg stalker heads, 400 unarmoured

Force Sword with good enough roll and +25 infested can for example reach 2 tap light range on pox walker and groaner heads as well as 1 tap heavy them.

My combat knife meets all except 450 flak weakpoint on a heavy, with a better roll it may be achievable with the current stat limits.

[clear heath]

Dude i must have god timing if i'm somehow hitting the same time as a soulblaze tick twice in a row

[keen belfry]

Not the best but it has been working for me

[wise pecan]

the thing is, in the field, i don't think the distinction of "it's all kills vs just soulblaze kills" actually matters? it's not like your team is going to be deliberately timing their attacks to not be in sync with your very frequent Soulblaze ticks

[simple junco]

True, very true. I'm saving these messages for when we get everything ready

[pale crescent]

do we exist to kill dogs?

[steel flame]

I would love to just find another purge staff in general

[teal needle]

Is this all new with the hotfix? Bringing purgatus and ascendant blaze into the field I 100% did not get a charge every time a burning enemy died

[near wyvern]

With their current pathing yes. And surge is the ultimate counter for them.

I believe they made this whole event just so that Psykers would feel more needed by the general population.

[pale crescent]

I think this might be the case. I pretty much just pop hounds and clear hordes now

[summer prairie]

If you want to pin something just pin the breakpoint calculator

[steel flame]

Its 10% remember

[simple junco]

We should also include a description of what breakpoints are to new people

[steel flame]

Rng was kind to that clip

[sonic aspen]

meanwhile I was in a team with 3 zealots I did not feel welcome

[bleak tulip]

Here's more proof AB gets warp charges on any kill as long as there's soulblaze

[teal needle]

I didn't get a charge 10% of the time, if I tapped a horde with soulblaze and veterans just cgopped everything with their swords I usually didn't get any charges

[simple junco]

Once we get the soulblaze tick conversation out of the way we can say it's one way or the other

[bleak tulip]

I even waited

its unfortunately a little longer but ya know, rng

[simple junco]

It's close, but the dps number didn't show up for soulblaze

[steel flame]

Its if either you kill it or your soulblaze does

[coarse ether]

what are the advantages of push attack of the force sword?

[steel flame]

It exists

[wise pecan]

It’s a very strong push. Like, ogryn-tier

[coarse ether]

but no damage?

[jovial frigate]

stagger

[near wyvern]

@night marten @long wharf @bleak tulip

If anyone has a FS with soulblaze on crit and a lot of nerves, test if it can proc AB warp charge on 1 shot?

If that is the case then surely AB will proc even if blaze is not actually the killing blow.

The downs side of this is that if it doesn't work it does not tell us anything.

[wise pecan]

Little to none, haven’t tested the specifics

[steel flame]

Its sends poxbusters 3 miles away

And staggers everything

[coarse ether]

thanks for the answers!

[bleak tulip]

dont have a fs with soulblaze

[grave bobcat]

@long wharf Uless it actually works if you rmber yesterday what was happening to me

[long wharf]

you have to have a proper identifiable fail condition for testing

[analog juniper]

Can push everything other than a bulwark and bosses

but only one thing

[wise pecan]

Could just be something like 30 crit one-shots in a row without proccing warp charge

[near wyvern]

When you get jumped on by a rager you can't pre-load your special without getting your guts drawn out.

-> push attack to stop their onslaught and give you some space, then special attack to deal with them

[summer prairie]

can you get two sparks when you bb a soulblazed target

[teal needle]

Ah, okay. In that case this all isn't terribly exciting. In practice it's not a super great way of farming charges.

[analog juniper]

you can just get BB on BB with kinetic flayer

[night marten]

@long wharf pretty sure I'm still getting it between ticks

might just be a limitation of the game's ability to be that precise with damage ticks though

[wise pecan]

It didn’t feel like 10% when I was watching, but also the human brain is notoriously fucking trash at dealing with randomness

[bleak tulip]

just check if the damage tick displays the moment something dies from soulblaze or if its a little early

[night marten]

@long wharf definitely still getting it between ticks, and the damage is displayed separately

[near wyvern]

Yeah kinetic flayer can proc on BB but it's hard to notice during regular game play as the visual is exactly same as a single BB.

In meat grinder if the enemy has enough HP (like a reaper) you can notice 2k damage instead of 1k.

[summer prairie]

I know it can proc on bb, that's not what I was asking though

[hushed glade]

Is it fixed?

[night marten]

first charge, 4 kills
second charge, 2 kills

[near wyvern]

The only way to get 2 warp charges at the same time is psychic communion 4% proc on BB kill

[bleak tulip]

yes

[near wyvern]

Yes, I rested it today. It was a stealth fix.

[night marten]

3rd charge, 6 kills

[near wyvern]

God I love auto assume

[night marten]

definitely feels like a solid 10% chance

[wise pecan]

Could you get 3 charges with psychic communion proccing on a brainbursted enemy with soulblaze?

[near wyvern]

If it is the case that soulblaze doesn't need to do the killing blow, yes. But that's a 0.4% chance of happening on BB kill.

[orchid venture]

What was the quelling issue?

[night marten]

@long wharf I get tons of charges blasting a horde with purgatus

[near wyvern]

Hitting 100% peril a second time in quick succession prevented manual quelling for a couple of seconds

[night marten]

100%

[wise pecan]

Building up to 100% peril twice in succession would lock you out of quelling

[orchid venture]

Huh... that's such a specific bug, but I'm glad it's fixed

[wise pecan]

It’s so specific it makes me think that it was intentional but maybe poorly communicated internally

But there’s been weirder bugs before

So room for doubt

[near wyvern]

I believe they attempted to fix some of the exploits regarding 'machine gun' staves

[wise pecan]

Ah, that would explain it

[sharp ibex]

I have a feeling it was intentional, I reckon they read something like, *BB to 100% quell to 95% and then BB again *and were like: FUCKIN OP PSYKERS

[analog juniper]

better solution: give the Psyker a machine gun staff

[ornate hamlet]

About to hop on.

[night marten]

@long wharf thinkI agree about the staff's direct damage, just isn't happening enough for me to think the outliers aren't just ticks getting the final blow

[teal cargo]

It would be but happens quite a bit when chaining BB

[night marten]

the approach should just be spreading direct damage over as many enemies as possible to help stagger and upping the chancing the dots get the kill

waving cursor around

[near wyvern]

We do have tho the range is limited: purgatus

[steel flame]

It sucked so bad with force sword

[analog juniper]

thats a flamethrower

[half iron]

hee hee hee ha!

[sharp ibex]

Yeah, I don't really care much as to exactly how it's killing, I'm just waving my stick around

You just get bogged down in pointless detail

[bleak tulip]

[analog juniper]

macro = Heresy

[near wyvern]

What's the difference between a minigun and the flamethrower on the receiving end?

You get blasted by a shit ton and can't do a thing no matter which one is raining down on you

[night marten]

@long wharf don't think it takes more than 10 guys to get a kill from melee attack while they're fire, think melee damage is treated differently for AB

[bleak tulip]

mfer you can hear me pressing keys, thats all me

[night marten]

@clear heath tested between a ~30% and 70% damage purg staff, total damage output for a secondary charge isn't super noticeable

[ornate hamlet]

I'm very upset not being able to use a dot for our names.

[night marten]

damage increases direct damage tick rate which can up crit chance (and thus 2x soulblaze application), but it rarely matters

[wise pecan]

Average carpal tunnel gamer

[analog juniper]

you think I have the volume up on discord videos? lol
but props to you if its actually you

[near wyvern]

If you take a look at the damage range the (direct damage) ticks do like 13 to 17 damage. Compared to blaze ticks raining in with 100+ per a tick it really doesn't do a lot of difference if you do 4 damage more with a direct hit tick.

[night marten]

@long wharf I get two back to back 😄

[near wyvern]

Dr... Minus... Wily?

So doctor without a willie?

[craggy spear]

Be right there

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-lbow-kto-funny-gif-25347485

[night marten]

I'm precisely hitting between ticks, reliably getting charges

[craggy spear]

ST3

[night marten]

@long wharf I'm doing it without crits

and when I crit, no guarantee for charge

[winged turtle]

Any advice please? I'm just a preacher main but want to get into my pysker more

what perk should i replace, and with what? And what are good blessings for Purgatus force staff that I should be looking for to put on this once the rebless function for crafting comes, please?

[violet yoke]

dear good thoes blessings....

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone up for Malleus Monstronum? Can take turns getting it.

[mental rock]

replace crit damage

[brazen magnet]

carapace is sooooo nice though

niche*

not nice

😄

[violet yoke]

he asked about what blessing to replace when it comes out

[brazen magnet]

run and gun

[craggy spear]

And perks

[brazen magnet]

i would replace run and gun and carapace armour with another type such as infested or unarmoured

[mental rock]

I would say also replace run n gun

[winged turtle]

ok what should i repalce it with?

[mental rock]

focused channelling and warp nexus are both good

[teal needle]

Seconding antagonist on both counts

[near wyvern]

Warp flurry

[winged turtle]

unarmored? flak?

[valid lake]

purgatus staff how use ? spam light click or charge up ?

[steel flame]

Half charge works well enough

[brazen magnet]

left is good for stagger and control right charge vs horde or monsters

[winged turtle]

ok so.. Focused Channeling / Warp Flurry, ill keep a look out for those in shop to take off them and put on this when the crafting function comes, thank you

[mental rock]

left click for quick cc, right click for damage

[teal needle]

Light click to stagger and apply dots. Charge as much as necessary to wipe elites and hordes

[near wyvern]

For perks the +% damage is not important.

It will only buff the direct damage of the staff which is shit.

Get + crit chance for perk since crit hits apply 2 stacks instead of 1 and soilblaze has exponential damage scaling.

[teal needle]

Iirc on purgatus only primary suppresses right?

[brazen magnet]

only effective stagger on 4+ yes

[near wyvern]

Killswith secondary supress as well

[brazen magnet]

charge attack with the suppress on kill

[mental rock]

yeah crit chance is why I prefer warp nexus over warp flurry

[brazen magnet]

is very very good though

[winged turtle]

right most will be off burn, right?

[brazen magnet]

vs horde

[wise pecan]

This is not correct. Perks affect the damage of soulblaze stacks

[winged turtle]

should i keep the crit dmg one then, and then reroll carapace into crit chance 5%?

confused

[near wyvern]

Warp nexus is better peril to damage efficiency. Warp flurry can get stacks higher and allows for better mob control.

Both are good.

[night marten]

@long wharf @clear heath precisely timing melee hits between soulblaze ticks to get 2 charges https://gfycat.com/enchantinglonefairyfly

[flint plover]

can i get a source, or have you tested it yourself? been trying to confirm

[winged turtle]

is blazing spirit a thing for purgutus? or even possible

[long wharf]

it needs to be, but no

[wise pecan]

Have tested it myself. Go into the psykanium with a weapon that has a non-carapace damage boosting perk, build up some stacks on a relevant enemy, and switch between your weapons. You’ll notice your soulblaze damage fluctuating instead of just decreasing

[night marten]

@long wharf there's communion too for team-wide kills to get charges

[grave bobcat]

Thats so sweaty I love it

[wise pecan]

To add on: it doesn’t matter how the soulblaze stacks were applied, just what perks are on the weapon you are currently holding

[winged turtle]

Another psyker noob question sorry, what would my general Feat be for purgutus / force sword w/ deflector?

[grave bobcat]

What about the perks is specific?

[near wyvern]

Kinetic deflection and ascendant blaze

The rest is flavours

[grave bobcat]

I only just got out of game to read context too

[winged turtle]

ok

thank you

[simple junco]

Are we still proving the AB thing?

[grave bobcat]

I dunno I'm just getting around to reading it

[long wharf]

it's been proven

[simple junco]

Oh whew, glad nothing changed

[long wharf]

enemy death while soulblazed will proc your AB

[grave bobcat]

So as long as they're burning you CAN earn warp charges regardless of how they die?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[clear heath]

Yeah a brain burst on a burning enemy can even give 2 charges

[long wharf]

I was seeing two warp charges gained on BB usage

[grave bobcat]

Hmm interesting

[wise pecan]

Actually, if you want, I can hop on and prove it

[grave bobcat]

Yesterday we couldn't get it to proc at all 🥲

While I was learning about the Purge staff etc

[long wharf]

I wasn't getting it to proc for 10 minutes, either

[night marten]

try 121122

tons of fun for me

[long wharf]

and then I was seeing it happen

[flint plover]

nah mate, i believe you, ty!

[long wharf]

so could have been a case of me being incredibly unlucky with AB

random is random, after all

[near wyvern]

So the optimal strategy with a warp Battery is to ult with low stacks just to apply Soulblaze, then just kill all you can?

Does this also apply to enemies that are killed by someone else but while they are under soulblaze?

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I usually go out of my way to kil 100 of X for these % based things

[winged turtle]

ok thanks!

ill try it out

[night marten]

lol the damage is going up based on current weapon's perks/blessings

[simple junco]

This is actually the best practice too

[wise pecan]

additionally, the human brain is really bad at gauging/estimating % likelihoods, especially when something is actually random instead of having weighted probabilities

[simple junco]

Quantitative testing in any % division should generally be done per cent

[night marten]

@long wharf yea you're getting headtaker buff on soulblaze stacks

@long wharf try on reaper

more hp, more damage

[near wyvern]

What I know is that AB also procs off any soulblaze effect, even if it is applied by another psyker

[wise pecan]

now that's hilarious

[simple junco]

Purgatus best support

[grave bobcat]

Imma try it too cause yesterday I was doing something similar and couldn't get it to work at all lmao

[night marten]

@clear heath think it's entirely independent

[winged turtle]

so does critting with purgatus add 2 stacks? still a bit confused

[bleak tulip]

fresh crafting cost info courtesy of DIG

[night marten]

yes

[wise pecan]

we believe so

[night marten]

crit chance is the best perk and blessing (warp nexus) you can get for purg

[winged turtle]

ok ill put crit chance on it then! thanks guys

and ill try to gather some warp nexuses for crafting to put it on it

[summer prairie]

4 purgatus psykers running psykinetic aura and 6-2

[near wyvern]

Would be interesting to try stack 3 purgstus Psykers with 1 surge, all running psychic communion, kinetic overload and ascendant blaze.

The warp charge potential is insane which would get kinetic overloads to constantly proc

[winged turtle]

warp nexus + focused channeling, yes?

[night marten]

think everyone's soulblaze is independent

[wise pecan]

oh those are actually pretty reasonable

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[wise pecan]

provided we get a solution to the green dust problem

[coarse ether]

what trinket options should a psyker consider?

[bleak tulip]

also makes me think that perk rerolls will get switched over to increasing cost

[night marten]

@long wharf lol watch this damage jump

[bleak tulip]

all toughness imo

[sharp ibex]

ToEP

[summer prairie]

still using too much plasteel

[night marten]

@long wharf it's the perk

[near wyvern]

I have 2 health 1 wound

[bleak tulip]

wound is comfort, health I dont agree with tbh

[wise pecan]

"ToEP"?

[teal cargo]

I use 2 health and one wound

[night marten]

pretty silly

@clear heath blazing spirit 😄

[sharp ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=18820/talisman-of-ephemeral-power really good for casters

[coarse ether]

isn't stamina considered at all? I feel like HP or toughness is a bad efficiency for psykers

[teal cargo]

Psykers got more health than toughness and vs shooters often just rely more on venting to regen toughness anywahs

idk the point of stamina tbh

[wise pecan]

we have peril blocking. stamina is already low-value as is

[teal cargo]

Psyker stamina regen is fast and peril block

[grave bobcat]

Gross

[summer prairie]

I'm more worried about burst damage than chip damage

[coarse ether]

ah i used kinetic shield

[summer prairie]

health is better

[sonic aspen]

I have HP and Toughness curios and switch between full toughness and adding HP ones

[long wharf]

so it's totally confirmed that if you kill an enemy that you have soulblaze on, AB is proccing

what isn't confirmed is if other players kill an enemy you've soulblazed

[night marten]

looking over blessings to see whether any could be really busted with this issue

[long wharf]

also, your soulblaze dots have the perks/blessings/effects of the weapon you have active

[sonic aspen]

it is also confirmed as Psyker you are commited loads of war crimes no matter the staff you are using

[wise pecan]

sounds like you folks just need to get in a match and test it out

[teal cargo]

You're gross 😠

[grave bobcat]

My ass had bigger plans for me when I was about to test it 😛

[night marten]

decimator?

[grave bobcat]

Tbf with what I just said, valid lmfao

[night marten]

just flat extra 20% damage

[bleak tulip]

should be easy, puff a horde once and let your team clear it

one puff wouldnt kill a trash mob

but keeps it burning for long enough

[teal cargo]

Or get one warp stack and cast your ult

[night marten]

this would be really good after torching a horde

[bleak tulip]

doesnt trigger unless you actually kill em with the sword out

[wise pecan]

as for curios: i use one health, one wound, one toughness
the bit of added toughness means i rarely actually take health damage when a few bullets ping me, the extra health means that i can sometimes scrap by to the next medicae without getting downed in a bad situation and makes grims less of a pain in the ass, and the wound means i never see the desaturation effect from only having one wound left

[bleak tulip]

and chances are you aint killing shit with the dot frequently enough to make use of it

[sharp ibex]

I've just done a little looking, burn on purgatus doesn't really seem to do a hell of a lot, does it

[bleak tulip]

takes forever to build enough stacks to do anything

[simple junco]

Burn does most of the heavy lifting on Purg

[sharp ibex]

Like, the difference between 60 and 80% is...not a lot

[wise pecan]

it's a little slower than most weapons against one dude. the advantage is that you can apply it to a theoretically infinite number of dudes

the Burn stat is purgatus's primary damage source

[simple junco]

Difference between 13 and 15 stacks

[sharp ibex]

Yes but

It's not, THAT much of a bother

[night marten]

actually getting decent soulblaze damage with the thunderous blessing *on carapace

[wise pecan]

what

[night marten]

look at this shit

[wise pecan]

i need to see this

[simple junco]

Wait what

[bleak tulip]

soulblaze is affected by armor

thats what it means

[night marten]

normal

[simple junco]

So running carapace and crit is the way to go?

[night marten]

na

just a demonstration that the active weapon's blessings and perks affect soulblaze ticks

[near wyvern]

If you need evidence for AB proccing from another Psykers Soulblaze I can send to you tomorrow. I clipped some today.

Don't have anything on other players killing your blaze targets for AB procs.

[wise pecan]

carapace still seems like a waste on purgatus

[simple junco]

Rip

[burnt python]

is thunderous active on staff when melee is not active?

[night marten]

so if you blast a full secondary on something like unyielding, then switch to your melee weapon that gets bonus unyielding damage, soulblaze will tick harder

[bleak tulip]

no

[night marten]

no. only while weapon is active

[burnt python]

incredible how badly they have messed up perk interactions on weps

& blessing

[simple junco]

Seems like the majority of these issues are for psykers too

[wise pecan]

Yeah. Hypothetically, you could perk yourself up so that one weapon has like, flak and maniac, and the other has unyielding and infested/unarmored, and just switch as useful

[burnt python]

the perk/blessing interactions are fucked for everyone, usually in a way beneficial tot he player

[simple junco]

wait really? Dang I gotta check other classes more

[burnt python]

see: zealot's abusing crucian roulette

[grave bobcat]

Shhh

[wise pecan]

Oh god I didn’t even think of that

[grave bobcat]

They’ve already marked it on forums don’t make them fix it faster lol

[night marten]

o7

[burnt python]

all this shit is gonna be fixed sooner or later just setting urself for heartbreak by getting used to it lol

[night marten]

aww this doesn't appear to work with soulblaze lol

[grave bobcat]

Nah I’ll find more!

[ebon jolt]

I tried doing this on my Psyker but the toughness feats aren’t as useful when you’re not using peril, warp attacks or generating warp charges.

[burnt python]

we currently benefit massively via warp nexus for those who arent aware

[wise pecan]

I believe chained attacks are a very specific thing

[burnt python]

cal runs it, i've been telling him its bad on psyker but he wont listen

this mofo tried to justify a bleed dagger to me yesterday on psyker

[grave bobcat]

No I did not!

[burnt python]

dont make me find receipts

[grave bobcat]

I was saying I found the ONLY useful thing it does after my best dagger gif griefed with a bleed blessing

[burnt python]

hahahaha fair

[grave bobcat]

I don’t want that shit lmfao

[burnt python]

maybe when they fix all the broken weapon interactions they will make the staff charge attack blessings work lmao

cus right now they are all broken

[grave bobcat]

I’m on the shitter but if you ctrl f through the clips I’ve posted there is one showing flurry actually working

[wise pecan]

How so? Beyond the blatantly obvious “more crit more gooderer”

[burnt python]

lack of toughness feats that work w/ guns is why i never run gun psyker too

[grave bobcat]

If you want to see what it’s supposed to be like

[night marten]

normal full secondary charge damage with 1 crit on a reaper vs...

[burnt python]

the crit applies to your melee while staff is put away

[wise pecan]

Iiiinteresting. I wonder if you can do something with that and that one soulblaze on crit blessing

[burnt python]

i mean you could, but it wouldn't make the soulblaze on crit good lol

[grave bobcat]

AND you’ve seen that I rarely ever take damage to my hp in game so you can’t hate on my toughness feets

[burnt python]

better off just takign a blessign that gives straight power

[wise pecan]

Which toughness feat do you use?

[pure lion]

When it says +4% power, what does it mean by “power”?

[grave bobcat]

I don’t know what I was using at the time purple is referencing

[pure lion]

Is that, like, damage? Or what

[burnt python]

power scales damage, stagger, and cleave

[grave bobcat]

But I use whatever the very first trait is called 30% on warp charge + kinetic shield

[wise pecan]

Power is a hidden stat (baseline determined by total gear score I think?) that as mentioned scales your damage, stagger, and cleave

[bleak tulip]

what do you mean

[grave bobcat]

A lot of the flat power stuff I’ve not been able to abuse 😦

[grave bobcat]

I said earlier that warp nexus also gives us melee crit too

[bleak tulip]

so that sticks but other effects dont?

wacky

[pure lion]

So generally having higher item levels increases my power, even if the stats are the same? (Like, a higher item level +1 wound curio is better than a lower item level one for this reason?)

[grave bobcat]

It’s honestly seemingly random

But some are obvious

Like peril % increasing power applies to every part of you damage

[wise pecan]

That’s how it worked in VT2, I’m not entirely sure but I think it’s how it works here

[grave bobcat]

Including BB for instance

[clear heath]

I'm pretty sure item levels don't directly affect anything

too lazy to test, someone else do it

[grave bobcat]

Forgot blessing name… unstable something

It’s kn the force sword.

[night marten]

damn I didn't realize combat knife bleed went right through bulwark shield like a hot knife through butter

[grave bobcat]

Hey look he found it

I told you purple

Lmdao

[night marten]

they really mean any non-weakspot hit

[grave bobcat]

The ONLY ducking times it’s jsef

Useful*

[clear heath]

the shield is bleeding
incredible

[grave bobcat]

The crit variant of it works also

[clear heath]

a shield must be a part of an ogryn's body

[night marten]

I mean it's probably useful on monstrosities too, once you have max soulblaze stacks because your dps is capped at that point from the staff

maybe?

[near wyvern]

Doesn't seem to be right. When you inspect a weapon, the values you see are the ones you get (before any buffs like perks and blessings)

Just note that the values listed in the inspect table are rounded down where as damage numbers in the meat grinder are rounded up.

[bleak tulip]

yeah a zealot I played with back when the bug was at its most blatant was doing that and it was funny

[wise pecan]

You’re shaving off monomolecular fragments of the shield which are then slicing into the bulwark. Lore accurate

[grave bobcat]

I’ve been attempting to use it on them today with different dots

And it behaves differently between each boss or what dot you’re using that I haven’t got any actual answers for this yet

And admittedly soulblaze is the one I have neglected testing the most because I want the blessing for it on FS

Cause I hate it’s other applications

[near wyvern]

A funny thing is that haymaker procs through bulwark shields

So you can hit them in the shield and instagib if you get lucky

[pure lion]

Is Exorcist a good blessing for the Force Sword? I got it as the second blessing for my deflector FS but I feel like things are generally so hectic when I’m in melee I haven’t been able to really tell how much difference it’s making.

[grave bobcat]

And random side note I want to complain about. Discords new message acceptance for dms is fucking annoying cause nobody replies to dms anymore

[clear heath]

idk maybe they just want to ignore you

[grave bobcat]

I've ignored people by accident as well cause of it

[clear heath]

I accept message requests from scammers all the time

[sharp ibex]

I just wanted to be friends, all you have to do is bank transfer £4000 to my account

jeez

[magic wraith]

I've been running Quietude as a T1 feat, should I be using Essence Harvest instead? I typically use the purgatus surge or occasionally an accatran.

[pure lion]

Also, if I’m running with Purg staff, does it make sense to Purg staff attack monstrocities, or go melee instead? Does stacking soulburns on the commander guy help pop his shield?

[grave bobcat]

It's just in a spot that if you've been using disc a lot you never needed to look there for anything before

[bleak tulip]

essence harvest is kinda stinky tbh

[night marten]

I like it, running 121122

[clear heath]

Quietude is just so nice

[bleak tulip]

maybe with the new AB its not that bad anymore but that really comes down to you killing shit with fire a lot, so when you arent in range you cant regen toughness very easily

gotta waste time BBing 3 things

[sharp ibex]

But do you need to?

[night marten]

well, if you're team mates kill things you can still get a charge via communion, and there's always a quick BB behind a corner between engagements

[sharp ibex]

How much are you losing that if you are far from enimies, it's an issue

[grave bobcat]

Just use F and continue killing as normal even with only 1 soulblaze stack?

[night marten]

having charges give you lots of toughness give syou staying power in the middle of killing lots of shit

[sharp ibex]

You're either in the middle of everything, or you're not, and you're safe either way

[clear heath]

I used to use essence harvest even without AB. It was fine imo
It's just quietude is so much nicer in rough situations where you get separated or when your team is dead

[grave bobcat]

Middle is best

Cause most fun

[sharp ibex]

GREEN IS BEST

[grave bobcat]

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM GRENE

[wise pecan]

i think essence harvest has a really obvious synergy with AB purgatus, but that it's actually a trap. it sounds nice, you get warp charges all the time, but functionally it's just a "win more" button: when you're getting whittled by ranged and can't burninate the peoples, you're suddenly stuck without a good, quick way to get it back

[grave bobcat]

GREEN RAMOP

GREEEEEN

[bleak tulip]

I run middle on void there is always something you can kill with it

[pure lion]

In situations like this, I recommend hiding behind cover and just Turkey-peek BBing

[grave bobcat]

I just frontline like Zealot since it seems to enable a lot of the randoms I play with

And I get first LOS on Sniper/Bombers

[sharp ibex]

Psyker flamer carry is legit

[wise pecan]

that is the solution, but especially in higher difficulties it's still a rather bad one

[sharp ibex]

JUST BE UP DA FRONT AND KRUMP DEY NOGGINZ

[night marten]

if you're getting whittled by ranged, quelling to get toughness isn't going to save you imo. have to take cover, at which point a BB gives you toughness back with harvest, or a teammates kill, or people you set on fire dying

[bleak tulip]

until there is a group of guardsmen behind some cover out of range of your fart staff

[grave bobcat]

I haven't used any of the staffs in a long while,.... should maybe circle back to them

I wanted to try all the weps

[sharp ibex]

DATS WHY YOUZ CARRYIN A CHOPPA

YOU RUN AND YOUZ CHOP EM

[pure lion]

It’s hard to be optimized for every situation. Being a great horde clearer is a valuable role, and a balanced team you’ll have more ranged-oriented vets or psychers.

Unless it’s a PUG with three flamer zealots lol

[summer prairie]

autoquelling can still save you while you dodge slide to cover

[pure lion]

Who let the Ogryn in???

[summer prairie]

if you are in cover both work decently and you usually aren't in much danger anymore anyway

[bleak tulip]

the ratio of quietude is so bad that I dont much care for it tbh

[sharp ibex]

OI AINT NO FAT 'UMIE

[sacred lodge]

If there’s firing squads out of range of my purgatus, I’ll most likely go into a routine of lock on, hide in cover, pop head, rinse and repeat

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I hard agree with first sentence. I just optmise for purely single target special/elite killing

[sharp ibex]

OI IZ A WIERDBOY

[wise pecan]

well, yeah, but quelling toughness still helps you survive to get to cover, and lets you easily refill your toughness while staying in cover, whether or not your teammates are in position to help (which they should be, because you should not be so wildly out of position that they can't, but y'know)

[long wharf]

it shines with a regular melee weapon, though

[grave bobcat]

And tanky enough that ranged enemies aren't stopping me from doing something

[pure lion]

Advance with Deflector FS until you’re in flamer range

[bleak tulip]

I dont use mundane melee so that is very possible

[sharp ibex]

Duelling sword slide to victory

[bleak tulip]

unfortunately medkits dont passive quell as well as melee weapons

[night marten]

yea that's important, I run FS/Purge so my quelling is shit all the time anyway lol, I might run quietitude if my melee was non-force

[grave bobcat]

I keep forgetting to use my deflector FS I haven;t tried it yet -.-

[sacred lodge]

But yeah, purgatus is fun. Even in a party with zealots with flamers.

[grave bobcat]

SLaughterer is too good

[long wharf]

regular melee weapons have a passive quell speed that rivals most active quelling

[sacred lodge]

My only issue is when I’m the last man standing, because usually that means I’m fucked

No amount of horde clear is going to help me if I’m all by my lonesome

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I don't run stuff that "clutches" a game so that can be annoying

Just stuff that enables my team instead

[clear heath]

I love trying to clutch games, but it is a bit weird to think about building around your whole team dying

[wise pecan]

In my experience, usually, if I’m the last man standing it’s because I already couldn’t handle the present threats well enough to prevent my team from dying, so I’m not likely to handle them well enough to prevent me from dying

[sacred lodge]

Of course, that game I got a zealot who wouldn’t heal his goddamned wounds

[grave bobcat]

Whenever I'm in those spots I'm just like "man I wish I was using a different build rn"

[pure lion]

It’s honestly so clutch for situations where you’re like “oh shit” and find yourself out of position, or when a firing line of ranged gunners are pummeling your team while you fight other stuff you can tank them for everyone and save the party a lot of health

[grave bobcat]

fr the 93% gunner resist is so nice

Melee range gunners/reapers so 2-3 toughness dmg to me

[sacred lodge]

I understand zealots not wanting to waste a medicae or even a health pack on an empty bar, but seriously, if you’re on your last wound, use one of the fucking medicae charges

[ebon jolt]

I feel like the best use of deflector is during revive actions. You can mostly get by without it in other situations. There are definitely times when you get targeted by a gunner though and it's nice to just block.

[long wharf]

the fatal flaw with force sword w/deflector is that a firing line on heresy can easily push up your peril faster than you can passive quell

up to where it stops blocking ranged attacks

[grave bobcat]

Being able to ignore them is nice so I can focus the regular shooters which... weridly are more dangerosu than the elite point blanking me with a minigun

[wise pecan]

It’s always the weaknesses of the build you’re currently running that get the team wiped, lol. Running purgatus? Crusher/bulwark swarm, backed by gunners and snipers. Running surge? Horde, with mixed ragers and pox bursters

[sacred lodge]

^^^^^^^^

Shooters
Are more dangerous
Then gunners

[pure lion]

Also I learned the hard way you can’t block snipers

[grave bobcat]

I feel that

[long wharf]

yep

[ebon jolt]

This is where you have to dedicate +block% on all your curios and FS in order to get maximum benefit of the blessing.

Lots of stats to dedicate tho.

[long wharf]

yeah, and I have a lot of block% on my force sword

[sacred lodge]

Can’t prepare for everything, best to just hope someone other than you prepared to cover your weakness

[near wyvern]

Luckily you have unlimited dodges

[valid lake]

is it weird that i love Force sword but am meh on the staffs ?

[clear heath]

This is what i want to do but my curio rng is terrible

[grave bobcat]

It usually just boils down to, "Too many things I need to stop from killing me at once"

I can't psuh the dog, cause a burster boutta blow up on me etc

[sacred lodge]

I’ve barely focused on curios.

[grave bobcat]

Been doing that today for me

The extra toughness perks are nice lol

[burnt python]

trauma staff

also toughness curios bad, psyker takes bonus toughness dmg from ranged that shit melts no matter how much u got

[wise pecan]

You pushed the dog once and are now capped on peril

[summer prairie]

everyone takes bonus toughness damage from ranged

[burnt python]

it's my preferred staff for damn runs on the dog modifier

[burnt python]

no, psyker takes 20% over other classes

[wise pecan]

Really? So you can stun them in hordes, I imagine?

[summer prairie]

are you talking about sprinting

[grave bobcat]

I just reached 100% peril and now I can't do anything about the Crusher on me

lmao

[burnt python]

stun em in hordes, around corners, mid jump.. it gets it done

[grave bobcat]

I don't sprint anymore lol

[valid lake]

😦 thats probably why we feel squish city

[summer prairie]

just dodge slide instead

[burnt python]

partial charge trauma knocks down the 4 crushers walking at u all at once

[grave bobcat]

I quite literally slide EVERYWHERE

[summer prairie]

dodge sliding backwards is pretty quick too

[burnt python]

slide is op

push > dodge slide backwards > full charge staff of ur choice

[grave bobcat]

Since I figured out that sprinting made me take so much more damage (2 days ago)

My toughness almost never breaks

[clear heath]

I found that out earlier today

[burnt python]

i thought that was only for vet

[clear heath]

but i usually don't sprint much anyways

[flint plover]

what

[pure lion]

I rebound Slide to mousbutton 5

[clear heath]

You just take 25% more toughness damage

Vet takes double lmao

but people can just slide anyways so who cares?

[burnt python]

you can't always be sliding in combat lol

[vestal finch]

Vet also has doubled max toughness

[clear heath]

If i can't slide in combat, i'm definitely not sprinting in combat

[vestal finch]

This is all meant to discourage sprinting head on at a shooter on anything but zealot

[sharp ibex]

Do i read that as zealot takes half damage while sprinting?

[burnt python]

more ppl gonna start realizing zealot is the true OP class

[devout belfry]

Why do we take more damage? Where is that entering the equation?

Why would we take more damage while sprinting? Doesn't the game say the opposite?

[clear heath]

Zealot wants to slide towards the gunners anyways
You know, because of the

[burnt python]

yes the tutorial literally tells u the opposite is true

[vestal finch]

The extra damage is only applied to toughness I'm pretty sure

[clear heath]

Imagine the game actually working how they say it works

[summer prairie]

Psykers walk towards the shooters in an orderly fashion while shooting lightning

[devout belfry]

Someone at fatshark probably doesn't know how fractions work again.

[burnt python]

the tutorial also tells you " toughness blocks all damage" lol

[vestal finch]

The tutorial tells you to sprint perpendicular to gunners, not straight at then

[pure lion]

The median PUG I’ve done has had a minimum of two zealots

[sharp ibex]

Excuuuuuuuze me sir, vould you STOP SHOOTING AT US

[burnt python]

that is irrelevant to non-zealots taking bonus dmg while sprinting

[clear heath]

what they really should've done is tell you to slide

but whatever

[valid lake]

well it did before long before release

[vestal finch]

You break ranged tracking when you sprint perpendicular.

[sharp ibex]

What they really should have done is release a finished game

[vestal finch]

True

[clear heath]

Still waiting for the beta to end

[sharp ibex]

It did, this is EA

[burnt python]

still having fun but it's just comical how many of the mechanics are straight broken

[vestal finch]

Crafting is coming, full release by the end of December

[clear heath]

It's been a pretty fun beta so far

[sharp ibex]

I hope they dont wipe priogress

[vestal finch]

Can't wait to see where they take it

[sharp ibex]

"JK Here's VT3

[vestal finch]

This beta is definitely rough around the edges, but with a few weeks of polishing this game will finally be ready for its full release

[simple junco]

"We've added skaven to Darktide"

[digital pagoda]

Imagine if they had wiped progress on the 30th of november when the only difference from beta was the real cash shop

[valid lake]

source ? everything else says they are done till the new year

[vestal finch]

it's gonna be a Christmas surprise

[devout belfry]

That's what they originally said lol

[ebon jolt]

To who? The gamers or the developers who have to work Christmas? 😂

[valid lake]

oh hopeium then ok

[haughty storm]

fellow psyk, is quelling issue still there? or ninja fixed this patch?

[vestal finch]

They'll autoschedule the update to get released on the 25th

[valid lake]

fixed but not in patch notes

[haughty storm]

Thank you SAH!

[burnt python]

supposedly they said on their forums no more updates til next year

[crisp yacht]

Any tac axe enjoyers?

[burnt python]

on my zealot yeah, not for psyker

[fringe garden]

Just give us the Force Great sword damnit

That's all I want for Christmas

[valid lake]

i tired nope on psyker it cost me a match

[simple junco]

Force knife is necessary to the survival to the game

[devout belfry]

Force axe.

[valid lake]

yes i need more force melee weapons

[devout belfry]

Give.

[crisp yacht]

It needs brutal momentum blessing to make is usable.

[gilded raven]

What about a force great sword or something

[burnt python]

same setup on a combat axe will still be superior for psyker

we don't have the crit synergy

[ebon jolt]

Sometimes I feel like force weapons are really just power weapons with the draw back of costing peril.

[valid lake]

also give me a plasma pistol to pair with force melee weapons

[crisp yacht]

Aye I've been on the lookout for one. Have a 370 tac axe with brutal momentum and its serving me well.

[burnt python]

yep that's probably still really good, havent had the chance to test momentum on a mk II tactical for psyk. Keep an eye out for Mk V combat

mk II tac axe on zealot is nutty

[crisp yacht]

Need Shared account inventory. Got a zealot that I'm lvling up meow.

[ebon jolt]

I like the move set on the mk I claw sword but I don’t have one with good blessings.

[lucid horizon]

finally, i love this skin

[simple junco]

What if a Force hammer is just thunder hammer with aoe but it has Trauma level peril generation

[burnt python]

i like that moveset too, just feels real bad when you get armor mixed into hordes

[wise pecan]

Congrats!

[valid lake]

TH zealots on suicide watch lol

[sharp ibex]

CURIOSIDADES

This language added 6 extraletters

[burnt python]

so fancy

[pure lion]

They should make you stop getting +XP perk items once you hit level 30

[sharp ibex]

That would require more code

Would induce more spaghet

[simple junco]

Every "level up" after 30 should just give you a gift

[sharp ibex]

Give me ranald

[pure lion]

CURIOSO ME DADDY

[valid lake]

bruh i only got them when i was 30

[pure lion]

This would also be a good change

[burnt python]

i hated ranald, until he was gone 😦

miss u ranald

[ebon jolt]

Agreed. Unfortunately it doesn't have deathblow like the heavy swords do. Devastating Strike doesn't seem consistent enough.

[burnt python]

im sorry i was wrong

[keen belfry]

What kind of perks you looking for on a Void staff?

[teal needle]

I like anything that will kill gunners or ragers faster

[pure lion]

Warp Nexus is good on every staff

Terrifying barrage is also great for

[burnt python]

25% flak, maniac, unarmoured all solid

[simple junco]

Same. I run KB on T5 to take care of gunners and reapers for the most part

[pure lion]

Warp Flurry is top tier for Purgatus and Surge, where you’re chaining your secondary attack a lot, but somewhat less important for Void if you’re mostly using the primary attack

[burnt python]

i believe, bu t am not positive, that 25% flak/unarmoured allow you to 1 hit hs dreg/scab gunners on damnation

if you have a 80% dmg roll

don't h ave a staff that can test to confirm

[pure lion]

Oh sorry you asked perks not blessings

[burnt python]

warp flurry doesn't work 😛

[quiet plover]

What's the general meta for Psyker feats atm?

[teal needle]

Voidstrike also rarely needs fully charged secondaries. Almost everything dies to partial charge

[teal needle]

Varies on staff

[pure lion]

It definitely does on my Purg staff. Very noticeable speed increase on charge

[quiet plover]

Current favorites right now would probably be Energy ball staff and warp flame staff, so how about in those cases?

[south monolith]

Haven't rechecked on the status of some reported bugs for a bit, but just checked on Deflector and Snipers

[pure lion]

Depends on what role you’re trying to fill: horde clearance, elite killing, cc/utility, melee…

[quiet plover]

Usually like to go for elite killing mixed with a bit of horde clearance. Curious how a melee build works though?

[burnt python]

3-2-1-1-1-3 is pretty solid for every staff

[quiet plover]

Thanks

[burnt python]

the lvl 20 peril blocking one is the only trait you'll pretty much never want to change

[valid lake]

if you plant orygn sheild nothing goes thru it

[teal needle]

Toughness on warp kill is a solid pick fit void staff

[south monolith]

I am not the dev that responded lol

[pure lion]

Melee build you get the feat that lets you block using Peril instead of stamina, and use a non-force melee weapon like an Axe or a Dueling Sword.

[burnt python]

quietitude is a key component as well for that setup

[ebon jolt]

Unfortunately none of the toughness perks work well with a primarily melee for used build. At least in my experience. Although if all you’re doing is spamming block push attacks with the mk 5 combat axe I guess you never take damage anyways.

[burnt python]

quietitude is great w/ melee heavy setup

either use bb or staff to ramp up peril before diving in, or intentionally block some hits when you need regen

[ebon jolt]

And you rely on BB or Truma to build peril?

[burnt python]

just sit in a horde blockign for 2 secs

[long wharf]

well, not trauma

[quiet plover]

Wait, the peril blocking skill is good? When I saw that one I thought it sounded really janky, how is it useful?

[burnt python]

before goin bck to mowing em down

[long wharf]

a usable staff, though, yes

[burnt python]

try it out, its very strong. it generates less peril per block than you probably think

[valid lake]

BB or blocking

[burnt python]

and non-force melees degen peril very fast

[long wharf]

"degen" = quell

[quiet plover]

Hm, ok then, I suppose it would be pretty good for tanking a huge hoarde.

[burnt python]

i usually do use trauma when i want to play like this, trauma + axe and play like a zealot

[wise pecan]

It basically gives you an extra four stamina bars that regen separately from your actual stamina bar

[long wharf]

peril on block + melee (non-force-sword) = tank melee enemies for days

[quiet plover]

Isn't the force sword the only force melee psykers get?

[burnt python]

for now yes

[quiet plover]

What other force weapons can they add in the melee slot anyhow?

[wise pecan]

Honestly, even with force sword, you can still block a ton of bullshit

[burnt python]

there's a bunch in the lore

axe, hammer, greatswords, etc

[long wharf]

sure, but with non-force-sword, you block for a lot longer

[wise pecan]

I’ll grant you that, yeah

[ebon jolt]

I’ve found it’s actually not bad with an 80% charge speed trauma staff. It charges much faster than BB and kills a good amount of stuff in one hit. I still think the aiming could be drastically improved.

[pure lion]

It’s excellent. Top tier skill, particularly with a non-force melee weapon (you can literally rank a demonhost) or with a Force Sword with the Deflector blessing.

[valid lake]

halberds 😦 pls dont mind wipe me grey knights

[pure lion]

Force axe? Force halberd like the Grey Knights have?

[sharp ibex]

Or an entire horde

[burnt python]

i take trauma in damn as much or more as any other staff, it allows you to deal w/ every enemy type between melee/staff/bb

[echo parrot]

Goddamnit discord

[quiet plover]

Kind of feel the bigger ones like hammers and greatswords wouldn't really fit into the Psyker we currently have in Darktide with the lean towards more fragile lightweight stuff but would be cool.

[sharp ibex]

We're actually better tanks than shield ogryns

[long wharf]

well, no

[sharp ibex]

Duelling sowrd is fast enough to get a good couple o swipes in

[long wharf]

a shield ogryn that plants his shield can block all attacks all day long

[burnt python]

my trauma is 80 dmg 80 blast radius 80 charge speed 80 warp resist, 30 quell lol

perfect for melee hybrid

no need to manually quell

[sharp ibex]

But can't move and cant hit back between blocks

[long wharf]

we can't block sniper shots, we can't block ranged and all melee

[long wharf]

but also doesn't need to

[sharp ibex]

Why not?

Contribute

[simple junco]

We're more mobile, not more tanky. We also can't bodyblock.

[long wharf]

because other classes can shoot through friendlies

[pure lion]

Well, a shield Ogryn is pretty dummy-proof to play. Whereas a psycher melee tank requires a bit more finesse

[frigid marten]

not all can

[sharp ibex]

Ok ok.

[simple junco]

Vets get the short end on that stick lol

[long wharf]

so shield ogryn is a movable wall that your teammates can still operate behind

[near wyvern]

How do you make trauma work in Dmanation?

I have tried multiple 350+ traumas abd it only got me trauma.

Have tried quick charging, middle charging, fully charging.

The only thing the staff is good at is generating peril and creating a pretty visual effect.

[long wharf]

you really don't, trauma isn't good right now

[echo parrot]

I would take psyker dodge peril tanking over ogryn (in that very specific example) simply because a ogryn with shield deployed cant dodge a sniper

[burnt python]

I will try to record some stuff later, not really sure how to detail in text how i play effectively

[simple junco]

True, very true

[long wharf]

ogryn shield can block sniper, though

[valid lake]

toss trauma in the bin and use void in damn

[sharp ibex]

Lets say this, how often do you see a shield ogryn in a damnation vs an actual useful cleaver

[simple junco]

Plus the psyker has the ability to just outright take care of the sniper

[long wharf]

and you can BB lock-on through the ogryn

[sharp ibex]

?

[near wyvern]

I use purge mainly

[long wharf]

as long as geometry isn't in the way

[burnt python]

my primary uses for trauma are: dogs, bursters, shotgunners (elites in general for KD), crushers ,& bulwarks

[simple junco]

Ehhh... Snipers still go through a shield

[echo parrot]

@long wharf

[long wharf]

interesting, I thought for sure ogryn shield blocked snipers

[pure lion]

Trauma is currently the weakest of the four staffs on high difficulty

[long wharf]

oh well then

[sharp ibex]

I'd expect a Hot Shot round to pierce it tbh

[near wyvern]

Well that much I figured but some people say they have it working and IMO my melee was more effective than the staff

[long wharf]

I'd still prefer ogryn shield tank to a psyker block tank, if forced to choose

[simple junco]

It takes a very dedicated psyker to make trauma work

[long wharf]

I'd rather have both, though

[echo parrot]

Dont get me wrong, I still love being in a party with 3 ogryn lads

[burnt python]

i will try to record some damnation trauma gameplay tonight to share, I really do think it is effective

[valid lake]

planted does ( last time i played it its how i got the block 600 damg in 10secs)

[sharp ibex]

I'd rather have a cleaver ogryn or none rn

[echo parrot]

They are best boys

[sharp ibex]

Unless a 6 pip ddifficulty comes up that REQUIRES a shield

[simple junco]

Trauma definitely has its perks, especially if you want to bridge the gap between surge and purge

[long wharf]

there is no gap, you want both in a group

surge + purge is a great combination

[burnt python]

trauma is very versatile, it's effective vs every enemy type & provides relief via cc when shit is hitting the fan or a teammate is getting overrun

[long wharf]

as is surge + void

[simple junco]

Then that means there's a gap lol

[near wyvern]

Pls ping me when you do upload it

[simple junco]

Depends on what you want to do in a fight

[burnt python]

will do

[long wharf]

they fit different roles

[simple junco]

All staves do

[long wharf]

that's like saying "we need something to fill the gap between cars and apples"

[sharp ibex]

So bring 4 psykers

ez

[burnt python]

i had a 3x psyker damn run yesterday w/ 2 trauma 1 surge

it went very smooth, albeit slow lol

[long wharf]

I bet that surge was doing a lot of work

[solar remnant]

I'm very interested in seeing this

[sharp ibex]

I had one with all purg, surg and void

It was smooth and relatively quick

[valid lake]

you laugh but 4 psykers is pretty ez squishy but ez

[burnt python]

i think surge is way overrated but just my opinion

[simple junco]

Can't eat a car, can't drive an apple. Looks like an edible scooter is right up your alley.

[valid lake]

i agree surge feels like trash

[long wharf]

I disagree, hard

[sharp ibex]

Oh I aint laughing :p

[long wharf]

I look forwards to your Ted Talk and future IPO

[burnt python]

taht's just like, my opinion, man

[simple junco]

Thanks, I'll do a heuristic eval to see who I'm gonna aim it at

[pure lion]

Purg is for horde clearance, Void is for DPS vs elites, Surge is for utility and cc to prevent elites damaging your team but does less damage itself. All are valuable and it’s good to have one of each available assuming equal item quality.

[long wharf]

hungry day laborers looking for disposable transportation

[simple junco]

Ah, New Yorkers

[burnt python]

void is not great vs elites its a different flavor of horde control that is also okay vs elites in a pinch

[long wharf]

I wouldn't call void for elite DPS

it's better against some elites over surge

but most importantly it has range

[echo parrot]

Have you even used Void against a horde? One big charge ball and 1/3rd of the horde is gone.

[simple junco]

Purg and Void are really good at horde clearance, just at different distances

[pure lion]

Trauma is like less-good than Void for DPS, and less-good than Surge for CC/stagger, and less-good than Purg for AOE horde clearance, so it kind of is in a unfortunate position of excelling at nothing

[long wharf]

it helps keep a horde away from the team

[burnt python]

my #1 issue with surge is it does 0 damage to approx 80% of the enemies you will encounter in a typical damn run

[bleak tulip]

void is horde clear first, at all distances

[long wharf]

actually, surge is great against scab gunners

a charged surge will kill groups of them

[burnt python]

yes, there are significantly more non-armored enemies than armored

[simple junco]

When they're going through a very specifically sized door, yes

[long wharf]

and you can get a lot of them

[bleak tulip]

you can snipe snipers with it too of course but you dont really murder elites, you just kind of hit em through the horde and stumble them so they rent intermixed with the horde as much

[simple junco]

Also void stops on elite hit

[burnt python]

stumbling into a massive pack of dreg gunners w/ a surge is a feelsbad moment

[long wharf]

surge is better against armored enemies

[simple junco]

Which typically spawn with a horde in higher difficulties

[burnt python]

it stops on carapce & unyielding only

[long wharf]

that's what the combat axe is for

[bleak tulip]

and then stumbles them

[simple junco]

Oh true

[bleak tulip]

which delays them more

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[ebon jolt]

I think the reason surge is good is because a lot of the value of the staff is not derived from the base stats, perks or blessings. You could roll a 0 base stat grey surge staff and still add value to the team. Other staves have much higher item dependency.

[burnt python]

combat axe + trauma gang

[simple junco]

Surge is pretty good if you don't just spam it at a horde

[long wharf]

this crashed my antivirus, where are the mods?

[bleak tulip]

does a bit of damage too and since you can shoot from any distance I sometimes get ragers before they even get to my team just becaus I spammed em so much

[shut thorn]

wait wha

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt call it an elite killer though

[burnt python]

to be clear i dont th ink surge is bad by any means, but there's still a large % of ppl who think it's the clear cut best and i disagree strongly

[long wharf]

you weren't here yesterday for the tween purposefully posting a gif that claimed would trigger people's AV?

[shut thorn]

this isn't that, it's a tenor gif, the one that triggers av uses cached discord gifs with some adobe flash malicious code at the end of the .png

[simple junco]

Yeahhh, every psyker I've seen swear by the surge in the wild was actually pretty bad with it

[burnt python]

i value versatility a lot when pugging and surge ends up in situatiosn where its just not useful at all

[simple junco]

Though I've definitely seen some great ones in T5

[long wharf]

you aren't getting it

[ionic island]

I absolutely love trying to do the push people off a cliff penance with a room full of vets 😭

[valid lake]

you saying i sgould just spam surge and be like why aint my team winning

[long wharf]

yesterday there was an idiot who was purposefully posting those pics

[shut thorn]

You're the one not getting it, why are you trying to accuse me of shit

[long wharf]

I'm not?

[shut thorn]

This isn't that, yet again

[long wharf]

I was explaining what I was referencing

not accusing you of anything

[simple junco]

If you spam surge at a horde, you're kinda fucking over your zealot and purge staff users. Aim it at targets that actually need to be stunned, and you're golden

[long wharf]

chill, Emma

[shut thorn]

Tenor does not host .pngs as gifs, the .png shit with the malicious code at the end is an old exploit specific to discord's own server