psyker-class

[shut thorn]

This bot is annoying

[simple junco]

Huh, is that bot new?

[shut thorn]

Yes

[bleak sonnet]

controlling a horde is useless

[burnt python]

like the stationary hordes?

[bleak sonnet]

just kill them

[shut thorn]

It literally has only targeted me

[wise pecan]

Have you considered slowing down

[shut thorn]

The stationary groups of like gunners, etc

[burnt python]

gotcha

[shut thorn]

But yeah, squad leader confirmed to get bots

[simple junco]

Crusher does both pretty good, kills in an aoe and stuns/damages in a larger one

[burnt python]

it seems very simple but people feel very strongly bout their cc being a good contribution lmao

[simple junco]

Plus it keeps you safe from behind too if you position well

[wise pecan]

I wonder if it staggers bursters

[simple junco]

All melees do, methinks

[wise pecan]

Or muties

[simple junco]

Oh, it stuns mutants like most CC does. After charge, then it just doesn't move again after that

[burnt python]

alternatively, hit said muti with an axe 3 times before the crusher can get a charge attack off

[simple junco]

Pretty good for when the game spawns 6 maulers and your team needs some breathing room too

[wise pecan]

“Just kill them tho”
“Clearly everything in the game dies in one hit”

[burnt python]

ur missing the point lol

if you are running something specifically for cc instead of killing power you are delaying these fights

adding more threats to these fights

and not contributing to getting rid of these threats

if your wep has good cc as a side effect, like combat axe for example, thats a good thing

[wise pecan]

Cc’ing everything everywhere all at once is gonna get you out of situations that killing two dudes at a time can’t

[burnt python]

if you are sacrificing breakpoints, armor dmg, etc for cc its not good

[simple junco]

It technically is removing the immediate threat lol

It's strong for the similar reasons as the purg and surge staves

[burnt python]

you are welcome to play however you like my friends, but if we're simply talking about what is most effective, cc aint it

[frigid marten]

stopping special in particular is more than damage.

[lucid mortar]

I think a good build/kit for psyker should have the ability to cc or dps, and the situation should dictate which you use

[simple junco]

And if you can kill everything, why do I keep seeing vets being overrun? They have a power sword and a bolter

[burnt python]

vet does not have safe melee w/ power sword, which is why i think vet is massively overrated

[frigid marten]

because many enemies are faster to kill under CC

[burnt python]

psyker & zealot have 100% safe melee options

idk bout o gryn

[indigo plank]

Hey brainiacs, quick question. Recon Las or Flame Staff?

[wise pecan]

Flame staff every time

[burnt python]

they do different things but flame staff is better

[valid lake]

flame stuff why use a gun on pskyer

[simple junco]

Depends, what are you building for?

[indigo plank]

Survival

[wise pecan]

Your teammates will appreciate you not eating every ammo pack on the map just to deal with hordes

[burnt python]

flamer fsho then

just dont try to fight gunners 😛

[simple junco]

Flame. It removes hordes as a wipe condition and all you need to worry about is getting a deflector FS to deal with ranged.

[left briar]

guess what bois, danktide

[burnt python]

flamer & deflector do not pair well at all imo

[wise pecan]

????

[burnt python]

flamer is best w/ non force melee for passive peril degen when you need to melee

[simple junco]

Are you not running peril resistance?

[indigo plank]

Thanks y’all, appreciate it. Hope I can talk some sense into my premade with this

[burnt python]

i do w/ flamer

[indigo plank]

My team’s Psyker is a recon las enjoyer

[burnt python]

peril resist and passive peril degen are not related

[simple junco]

Then you should be fine in terms of peril management, all things considered

[frigid marten]

recon las don't have any sinergy

[simple junco]

Trauma staff needs peril degen, purg is very manageable

[wise pecan]

Bullets are a far, far more prevalent problem than being overrun while quelling

[burnt python]

here we go again

deflector does nothign to solve the problem

deflector buys you time when you fuck up or a teammate fucks up

it does not remove the problem

it is not good vs range

its a safety net

[simple junco]

Oh no the vets need to reload, ah heck the zealot needs to reload, oh no the ogryn needs to fall back

I wonder who can buy time

[wise pecan]

It is better vs ranged than every other melee weapon in the game

By simple virtue of you not getting shot

[simple junco]

Like, everything doesn't die at once lol. Sometimes you genuinely do needs to buy yourself that time to be useful to your team again

[burnt python]

you can not get shot via positioning as well with any weapon

[simple junco]

6 gunners spawn on high ground above OBJ, I wonder what happens next

[leaden pier]

Wouldn't every weapon be good if you're not getting shot at

[wise pecan]

Ideally, yes. Sometimes situations are not ideal

[simple junco]

Pretty much lol

[clear heath]

How many runs have you done where you've never been shot?

[burnt python]

I agree, which is why i said deflector is a safety net

[simple junco]

Like, sure, it's situational. But on T5 shit happens

A lot of it happens

Playing your life is important, and having the tools to do that is also important. Deflector isn't required, but shouldn't be discredited

[burnt python]

deflector doesn't "enable" you to deal with ranged in any way, unless your team is coordinating your blocking w/ shooting guys for you

i run deflector often, I think it's good, I just think there's misconceptions about what it's good for

[simple junco]

It "enables" you to survive when shit hits the fan, especially if you're running purg

[wise pecan]

Wrong. At the very least, it enables you to safely close distance

[visual snow]

deflector is pretty op

[burnt python]

my friend please queue into a damnation game and try to walk at a gunner pack w/ deflector up

[visual snow]

lets u do things beyond normal

[burnt python]

let me know how close u get

[visual snow]

yea u walk and then ult the gunner pack

[simple junco]

All I need is to get into cover with my toughness in tact

[visual snow]

and kil them all

[wise pecan]

I’ve done it before

[burnt python]

slide lmao

[visual snow]

slide isnt a catch all

deflector is

[burnt python]

deflector is incredible for picking up / rezzing, and for letting you make more mistakes

[pale scarab]

With the talent, If they’re all ahead of me and not doing that annoying pop in from behind, I can tank damn near infinitely even on damnation

[visual snow]

ur teammate is down

u deflector him and ur ally gets him up

when u got ppl shooting at him

u cant do that without deflector

[burnt python]

yup thats its #1 best use

[visual snow]

theres more options with deflector than without

[keen belfry]

servers down right now?

[pale scarab]

You can get people up yourself deflector goes 360 if you hold block while rezzing

[simple junco]

So... General safety is what makes deflector good

[leaden pier]

Can deflector tank sniper shots? I haven't tested it

[simple junco]

Why is this even a discussion

[wise pecan]

Allowance for mistakes is a far greater utility than horde clear when you already have a weapon with indefinite horde clear

[burnt python]

it only 360 blocks melee

[pale scarab]

No

[burnt python]

no

[grizzled iris]

Thank you Shop

[visual snow]

deflector cannot block sniper

i literally had a sniper spawn in front and shoot me lol

[pale scarab]

I’ve deflected ranged shots from behind while picking people up

[leaden pier]

Ok

[grizzled iris]

This is sad but true

[simple junco]

Can an ogryn shield block it?

Just curious

[clear heath]

no

[leaden pier]

Yea

[burnt python]

ogryn shield is better deflector

[grizzled iris]

While picking people up your ranged deflection becomes 360

[leaden pier]

I think it pierces you tho

[wise pecan]

Ogryn shield can block sniper fire, but not while reviving

[grizzled iris]

Ogryn shield blocks it yes

[burnt python]

someone posted a clip on here the other day of getting railed in the back while ressing w/ deflector - unless that's changed it has a set cone while reviving

[simple junco]

I think it was changed to 360 recently

Was a cone in the beta

[wise pecan]

😳

[grizzled iris]

Maybe he was out of stamina or had to much peril, or wasn't using the peril block feat? I'd have to see the video. But it has never happened 2 me

[leaden pier]

Oh i though lt deflector didn't work while rezing

[grizzled iris]

It is still a 180 cone for projectiles

[burnt python]

no they were at full stam and 30% peril, i watched the clip many times cus i also thought it was 360

[pale scarab]

Only thing that stops my rez with deflector is maulers, crushers, hounds, trappers and muties

[simple junco]

rip

[grizzled iris]

Got link? I wanna check it

[untold aspen]

what are good blessings on force sword? anyone got a decent one?

[wise pecan]

And snipers, no?

[fringe garden]

The downside to deflector is that force sword is pretty mediocre.

[burnt python]

i don't, sorry, was probably posted here about 3-4 days ago

[simple junco]

What's your staff?

[wise pecan]

Deflector

[visual snow]

block efficiency on sword

20%

[untold aspen]

cause I'm stuck with like a bad force sword 😭

[pale scarab]

And snipers true

[grizzled iris]

Deflection and dunno what else really, it's not good for anything else

[untold aspen]

flame cause nice crowd control and auto brain burst for warp charges

[wise pecan]

Maybe quell peril on repeated weakspot?

[burnt python]

best one besides deflector is.... rampage? i can't remember the name, the one that gives +x% power on kill

[untold aspen]

that looks pog

[burnt python]

for better horde clearing

[visual snow]

and better for clutching

[simple junco]

Thennn blazing spirit with deflector or shred

[wise pecan]

Definitely a fair pick as well, force sword struggles vs hordes

[simple junco]

Spec into guard resist and crit perks

[visual snow]

cant clutch shit with any other staff

[untold aspen]

are there bleesings on force sword for elites? or basically more dmg in general

[burnt python]

o no please dont run blazing spirit

that ability is a fuckin troll

[untold aspen]

whats blazing

[burnt python]

gives you 4 dmg worth of soulfire lol

on crits

[simple junco]

Gives stacks of soulblaze on crit

[visual snow]

big damage

[grizzled iris]

Yea, on crit

[cobalt bone]

entire 3% critdmg noice

also rip steam server

[simple junco]

If you run a full purg build, it stacks up pretty well

[grizzled iris]

It isn't used for dmg either way

[clear heath]

you don't even crit that often

[wise pecan]

Gotta get those breakpoints :P

[simple junco]

Especially if you run KO

[simple junco]

Hit 5 times, get 30% crit chance

[burnt python]

pls no

you're just giving bad info out now lmao

[simple junco]

Why?

[burnt python]

purge is pretty good, soulflame on melee crit is not

[simple junco]

I'd like to know exactly why lol

[burnt python]

because you crit maybe once every few seconds at best

[wanton sandal]

the heretics are attacking the steam servers... quickly, to the commplex!

[burnt python]

and apply 2 stacks

which is absolutely nothing

[simple junco]

4

[burnt python]

ok 4

so its ticking for 15 instead

[simple junco]

What weapon do you have?

[grizzled iris]

5 x 5 = 30? I'm sure you mean innate 5% crit + the 25% from Tier 4 Shred? but still make it clear xD

[burnt python]

i have a lot of weapons

[simple junco]

Oh tru, probably should've differentiated that lol

[untold aspen]

is there a list by any chance with all possible blessings on weapons?

[simple junco]

Purgatus staff lol

[burnt python]

look up the gameslantern wiki thing for blessing info

[untold aspen]

i need to read through some maybe to get something together 😂

[sharp ibex]

google darktide talent builder, there's a couple of websites

[wise pecan]

There’s a pretty decent one if you just Google Darktide weapon blessings

[burnt python]

i run +crit everythign on purg

blessing & perk

[untold aspen]

will chek thank you guys you all are legends 😄

[simple junco]

Coolio, so you know how much stacks add up in a pinch lol

[wise pecan]

I’ve heard crit stacks up an additional soulblaze. Can you confirm?

[burnt python]

yes, while actively firing, not while critting with ur non-purge wep

[burnt python]

yes crits apply 2x stacks

[simple junco]

Crit does add an extra stack

[clear heath]

If you're fighting something that lives this long and you're running purg, maybe just use the staff

[burnt python]

hang on, were you previously referring to running soulfire on crit on purge?

cus it doesnt roll on purge

[simple junco]

Blazing spirit on FS

[clear heath]

hitting the enemy 10 times with melee to get 3 stacks of soulblaze instead of actually just burning them with the purg staff sounds absurd

[wise pecan]

Give a crusher 5 lovetaps, then hit him with the Deluxe Bonque

[burnt python]

yeah theres just so many better options than blazing spirit

slaughterer is my preference to pair w/ deflector

(tho i dont have that weapon)

[clear heath]

I wish i had slaughterer with deflector too

[simple junco]

Oh ye that's a good one

[clear heath]

I have deflector and blazing spirit on mine

Blazing spirit never procs on anything meaningful, and i don't run purg anyways

[simple junco]

True, I just need it to feed AB lol

[clear heath]

waiting for blessing crafting

[wise pecan]

I have deflector and am waiting for crafting to finish to put it on a better sword lol

[fringe garden]

I just haven't been able to find a good groove with the Force Sword. Deflector is cool, but any damage I prevent from bullets I end up taking because in melee due to FS being poor at handling large hordes.

[burnt python]

it only feeds AB if they die to the dot from soulfire

which is very unlikely to happen while actively meleeing

[clear heath]

no it works as long as they die while burning.
We tested this a while back
Description is lying

[wise pecan]

Ideally you run something like purgatus or voidstrike to deal with hordes

[burnt python]

hmm will have to test

[lucid mortar]

not me wasting mats upgrading a trauma because I thought it was a void

[simple junco]

Swapping weapons is definitely a thing lol, not to mention it's something to supplement AB in a pinch

[clear heath]

Imagine thinking the game works like it says it does.
Too much faith in fatshark

[burnt python]

i dont trust shit from the descriptions, i test everything

[simple junco]

I also gotta test this

[burnt python]

been thru this rodeo in vt2

this is the first time ive heard someone suggest ab can proc on any burning enemy

[simple junco]

With how much info is kept from us and how inaccurate the descriptions are, yeah that's wise

[fringe garden]

So we have to drop the awesomeness of surge staff for the neat factor of deflector? Meh

[simple junco]

If that is true, then the proc chance of AB is significantly lower than it actually is

[burnt python]

ab is approx 10% chance to give warp charge on soul flame dot kill was my understanding

but that may be wrong

[simple junco]

Yeah same

[lucid horizon]

algún psíquico que hable español?

[clear heath]

@burnt python Watch my warp charge stacks. I even did it twice

[simple junco]

It's either true for soulblaze deaths, or we gotta find out what the actual percentage is on kill.

[burnt python]

ty for this, good to know

[wise pecan]

You don’t have to, I’ve run surge+FS in damnation. It’s just not optimal. You have to play better to make up for your build’s weaknesses

[night marten]

think I just caught up, so ascendant blaze is currently far better than we thought due anything dying while soulblaze is active giving you the 10% chance?

[burnt python]

this is my purge since you asked earlier, tho full disclosure i rarely run this wep

[fringe garden]

That seems like it has less to do with your own play and more with having competent allies to cover your weaknesses

[burnt python]

yep

[night marten]

(not considering whether that's intentional or a bug)

[clear heath]

Yeah, very good pick for purg builds

[wise pecan]

It’s both.

[burnt python]

makes KO even better too

like, a lot better

[simple junco]

Was this always the case?

[umbral field]

I do not believe this is true

[night marten]

nice. I've been mostly trying to keep everything occasionally staggered with fire anyway when shit hits the fan, good to know

[clear heath]

I literally just replied to my video of it happening bro

[frigid zenith]

Who's rocking void in damnnation? If you haven't give that shit a go, don't need to CC it when it's dead.

[simple junco]

Haven't seen too many voids in T5 honestly

[unique barn]

there any weapon blessings to increase stagger or is it just innate

[burnt python]

it's my standard choice to take into damn for sure, does a lil bit of everything

[night marten]

actually terrifying barrage might?

[umbral field]

can you link?

[simple junco]

I think terrifying barrage is still bugged

[burnt python]

i think, technically, warp nexus would add stagger

via crits

[frigid zenith]

Those times when you get a double horde spawn right at clip right and can two shot the whole thing is just chef's kiss.

[burnt python]

the noises do things for me

[frigid zenith]

It's so... crunchy..

[clear heath]

I'll just repost the vid

Watch the warp charges. I even do it twice just to make sure

[burnt python]

almost as satisfying as taking kneecaps w/ trauma

[frigid zenith]

Why yes, I did just headshot 30 mobs.

[simple junco]

Oh my god this is cool

Okay, gotta take another look at my purg build

[wise pecan]

The first one seemed like it could have been the burn lasthitting during the rev, but the second seems pretty conclusive

[honest island]

@clear heath Hmmm. Thanks for posting that. But is there just a chance that the last "tick" is causing the death, and it just not showing? Thus gaining a charge?

[night marten]

121122 !

[umbral field]

interesting, but you are the one killing here, I'd like to test this with a team mate killing

[night marten]

tear through everything, just dodge crushers

[simple junco]

I thought the same thing, but yeah that second one was a straight oneshot

[burnt python]

i''ve revised my opinion to 321122 for purge, but ya super solid

[clear heath]

I was worried about that too so that's why i switched to attacks the would definitely one shot

[wanton sandal]

huge

[frigid zenith]

Its just bad wording on the ability, it should say anything that dies from any source while it has soul blaze yadda yadda.

[simple junco]

I'm curious about this too... Definitely looking forward to seeing it in action

[burnt python]

this actually makes aura way more viable w/ ab too

aura + ab gonna have to test

[night marten]

benefit of essence harvest over quietitude is that it's tough for anyone to stop you once you've started to purge the horde

[simple junco]

Just go ham with F

[burnt python]

see if the charges flow well enough

[night marten]

the charges coming in keep the toughness filling up

[frigid zenith]

Don't need F if you one shot them all!

[burnt python]

ya i just really really value quietitudes on-demand regen

[wise pecan]

Which one’s aura again? Bb an elite for soulblaze stacks?

[simple junco]

Technically, couldn't you run another staff and just use your ult to replace a purg if you run Aura

[burnt python]

ult refund on elite kill, competes w/ communion

[modest fable]

what is soul blaze that spreads to other enemies? from feat

[wise pecan]

Aaah, I see. So switch communion for that so you can spam your ult more aggressively, to easily build stacks

[frigid zenith]

If you're running void, communion is less valuable.

[burnt python]

i wish soul blaze had a spread mechanic like heat spreading in drg

[simple junco]

Yeah that'd be cool

[clear heath]

I mean i guess that's technically viable, but you'd be wasting more warp charges on pressing F than you'd be gaining them.
Plus, soul blaze only really does well when stacked cause of the way it grows per stack, so you only really care about it with a build focused around it

[burnt python]

ya just a question of whether you can maintain those stacks well enough to get enough value out of ab to continue the cycle

[frigid zenith]

It's still good, but you're throwing out big alpha damage, not sustained dps.

[simple junco]

True, very true. Just entertaining the thought lol

[wise pecan]

There’s one that hits a functionally-random enemy with 4 stacks of soulblaze on overflow warp charges

[night marten]

*elites, not random

closest

[simple junco]

Since AB works the way it does now, KO would actually be pretty big

[burnt python]

i will test this w/ purge later

tho i suspect i will still just be sad that im fucking useless vs gunners

[ornate hamlet]

wait, what's AB?

[wise pecan]

It prioritizes elites, but I don’t know how “strong” that prioritization is, how far it’s willing to go to target one instead of a random

[clear heath]

Ascendant Blaze

[ornate hamlet]

thx

[burnt python]

it only hits elites

it does not proc on normal mobs at all

bugged or bad wording

[night marten]

if any are in range (and the range is generous) they get hit

[simple junco]

It's pretty good prioritization, I've seen random gunners from 20 meters away get hit by it

[night marten]

two *procs kills ragers, 3 kills bulwarks

[honest island]

Does warp charge stacks increase DoT?

[burnt python]

afaik dot isnt' scaled by anything but staff stats

[frigid zenith]

Steam is up, lets all go play Dark and Darker now.

[wise pecan]

Iiinteresting. I think I’ll give this a whirl tonight, see how it performs

[burnt python]

i suspect it will feel decent on damnation and not anything below that

not enough density to generate the charges

[simple junco]

Hi intensity purg lyfe

[burnt python]

idk if it will even self-maintain well enough on damn tbh

[night marten]

been rocking damnation the past couple days with it (121122). it's fine on lower difficulties, just really shines with high density

[honest island]

Has anyone done any meaningful math on the optimal dump stat for the fire staff?

[burnt python]

ya we're talkin bout dropping communion too tho

[night marten]

oh, dicey

[glad tulip]

update 1.0.21 - new Mourningstar interior.

[night marten]

rely on additional charges for sustain with essence harvest

[burnt python]

dmg if you value warp resist and quell, personally i try to dump quell usually

[simple junco]

I think the consensus is damage?

[clear heath]

Needing hordes to be useful is already a thing you have to accept when using Purg anyways

[bleak tulip]

no, no I dont think so

thats the only good thing about it I think

[wise pecan]

Has anyone tested what damage actually does, if it affects soulblaze stacking?

[burnt python]

naw dmg does very little for purge

[shut thorn]

Yeah vet squad lead aint getting bots

[frigid zenith]

Dumb the entire purg staff for a void.

[burnt python]

dot tick rate and staff direct dmg

[shut thorn]

and 2h force sword

[honest island]

Also, is surge staff still considered best end game, but people find it boring? Seems people like fire staff

[shut thorn]

Is still 50/50

[burnt python]

and the tick rate change is... inconsequential

[shut thorn]

but its likely

[night marten]

completely agree. though I noticed it actually affects direct damage tick rate, which technically can up your chances to crit per secondary charge

[shut thorn]

Apparently it's marked as unreleased

[wanton sandal]

surge is pretty boring imo. i run either void or purg for heresy

[burnt python]

they are all good enough for damnation, most ppl will argue for one of surge/void/purge as "best"

[wanton sandal]

while surge is undeniably useful, its just not fun

[burnt python]

interesting, good to know

[simple junco]

We talked about it yesterday, burn affects burn stacks applied and application rate. The actual application from your staff's damage is very minimal from a 40% to an 80% staff.

[night marten]

but when doing lots of tests between a 70%+ staff and 30% damage purge staff, the total damage output difference for a full secondary is minimal at best

[burnt python]

dmg affects how quick the dot ticks, but its a tiny difference

[simple junco]

Basically, aim for a burn stat that gives 15 burn stacks (burn near 70-80%)

[honest island]

Anyone else feel that every single blessing for staves are weak, and barely change the feel of the weapon at all? It's like staves are at 98% effectiveness while white...

[simple junco]

Some of them are useless lol

[honest island]

Headshot quel on void is good

But other than that...

[simple junco]

Though, crit on purge is incredibly strong compared to a base staff

[severe folio]

run and gun

[wise pecan]

I’m fond of the “secondary cannot be interrupted” one

[valid lake]

this 100% it has a purpose but it is so unfun to use

[honest island]

How is fire crit strong?

[simple junco]

Every crit adds an extra stack of soulblaze

[clear heath]

Yeah
I use surge a lot and it's still blue lmao

[severe folio]

i like the purg staff though

mostly because i though its fun

[honest island]

@simple junco What am I missing for this info?

[simple junco]

The damage ramp up data for each stack of soulblaze

[honest island]

I'm sorry, still confused. Where does it say you get a soulblaze per crit?

[severe folio]

would be cool for purg to be able to get the perk from flamer

blow up specials on kill

[shut thorn]

go test in meatgrinder

[simple junco]

An extra stack, yes. Imagine you left click and add 1 stack of soulblaze to an enemy, if you crit, it applies 2 stacks

[wise pecan]

I don’t think it says it anywhere, but fatshark loves having completely hidden mechanics in their games

[honest island]

Ok, so this isn't related to a perk or talent. It's a hidden mechanic?

[wise pecan]

See: Power

[simple junco]

I'm trying to find the damage rampup for you

[clear heath]

Fatshark isn't even right a lot of the time when they do tell us the mechanics

[simple junco]

(we should probably pin that)

[clear heath]

AB moment

[honest island]

@shut thorn Doesn't really help, when asking about where this comes from. I don't even know if they were referencing a talent or blessing

[shut thorn]

It's not any talent or blessing, it's how purg works

[honest island]

So fire staff, each "Tick" causes a soulblaze, and each crit also causes an additional stack?

[shut thorn]

yes

[simple junco]

Yep, basically.

[shut thorn]

not each tick, each time it fires but yes

[clear heath]

I've heard zealot flamer does the same thing. Haven't really looked at it myself though

[shut thorn]

also the minion death thing on veteran squad leader

procs on elite kill

squad leader doesnt get minions

[simple junco]

It's an exponential model, but the game has its own custom damage rampup

[honest island]

Yeah, that part I've seen. Just didn't know about additional stacks upon crit

How many times does the fire staff "tick" per second? How many times per second can it crit basically

Not talking about dot ticks btw

[burnt python]

it's not exponential it's simply x stacks = y dmg

[wise pecan]

My biggest concern with swapping communion > ult recharge and 6 stacks > burn elites is that your ult doesn’t even kill trash. You’re basically entirely reliant on a mixed horde being present for your build to function at all

[burnt python]

exponential would be much stronger than how it is set up

[burnt python]

it hits approx 3 times per second

[bright raft]

what is the burn % breakpoint

[simple junco]

Oh, here's the rough damage table @honest island
#psyker-class message

[clear heath]

Yeah none of the soulblaze feats on their own do any meaningful damage
I think the idea is to stack all these soulblaze applications together because of the way soulblaze does more damage with more stacks

[burnt python]

its around 70 dont know exactly

[ebon jolt]

Finally decided to upgrade my void staff w/ surge and unfortunately did not get warp nexus:

[simple junco]

I don't think it's necessarily a breakpoint, but aim for 15 stacks applied, or 70-80% burn.

[honest island]

Interesting, but if the fire staff has a limit on stacks, I assume the crit's extra stacks, don't go above the cap. So even if going hard on crit, you prob are just hitting the cap slightly faster?

[bright raft]

tyty

[burnt python]

probably, we don't really know cus you aren't realistically hitting cap w just the staff ever

and AB / KO seem to ignore cap

[honest island]

@burnt python How are you not hitting the cap with just the staff? I'm talking specifically about the cap on the staff

[wise pecan]

Presumably because the enemies die too fast

[burnt python]

by the tiem you hit cap your original stacks are fading

[wise pecan]

Or that

[clear heath]

Isn't it just this stat here? The application rate i mean

[simple junco]

True

[severe folio]

literally wtf

[burnt python]

i hit trash ass soulblaze on my void upgrad etoo

[wise pecan]

I wonder if the cap isn’t a hard coded limit, but rather a sort of “rate stacks decay vs rate they’re applied” estimation

[burnt python]

feels bad

[simple junco]

I suppose maintaining the cap is definitely easier with crits

[severe folio]

why is an innate function also a blessing

[burnt python]

you're never gonna realistically maintain max stacks due to weapon downtime

[simple junco]

brb calculating the half life of a soulblaze

[quiet plover]

Do brain burst and warp flames count as killing Dregs with ranged? I just rolled into the contract and I trained out my main warp flame staff but I didn't even get a single kill counted as ranged?

[simple junco]

True, true

[burnt python]

thats a bug (contract stats not counting), not related to staff u used

[eternal needle]

I finally finished all the penances for psyker Q.Q

[quiet plover]

So even the energy ball staff wouldn't count either?

[wise pecan]

How’d you get out with a bang?

[burnt python]

they all count, theres just a bug where occasionally your progress from a mission will not count at all

[craggy wagon]

Guys what is this icon ?

[eternal needle]

alot of luck Q>Q

[quiet plover]

Pretty big bug to have but alright

[wanton sandal]

coherency

[wise pecan]

Allies in coherency (including yourself)

[burnt python]

yes its been acknowledged on their bug forums for weeks but not fixed yet

since before release lol

[simple junco]

Coherency. If means allies near you, this is important if you're running Aura, as they'll benefit from CDR on elite kill.

[quiet plover]

Btw, current feat list I have is 133, am currently level 17 on psyker. Are those feats alright to have?

[craggy wagon]

ahhhh I see thanks

[clear heath]

Hmm
Well they give you the burn application rate, and someone could easily just use a stopwatch to time the burn duration themselves. Probably wouldn't be too hard to figure out if that checks out

[ebon jolt]

According to a guide on steam soulblaze lasts 8 seconds and ticks once every .75 seconds. Additionally it has a max stack of 31.

[burnt python]

has anyone done rigorous testing on aura? it's unclear to me how it works: (1) all elite kills within coherency regen psykers ult, (2) elite kills within coherency give refund for the killer of said elite, or, (3) psykers elite kills give refund for all allies in coherency

[ebon jolt]

Where max stack # can be applied by the Purg staff secondary itself not including crit stacks.

[simple junco]

I don't think too much testing has gone into it, but I'm pretty certain it's granted to the person who kills an elite

[night marten]

I've heard a couple different versions

[burnt python]

that was my assumption too but others have said it works like my #1 above

[severe folio]

its more important to nerf fun

[night marten]

haven't done any testing with other people

[clear heath]

No idea, but if it works like vet aura, i think it should just give to everyone whenever anyone gets a kill no?
Or am i hallucinating with how vet works too?

[wise pecan]

I don’t think it’d be difficult to test, you’d just need a couple folks on mics

[burnt python]

just need 2 psykers, 1 w/ aura 1 w/o

[simple junco]

Just hop in a quick T1 private game and comms

[mental vortex]

why do people go out of their way to kill enemies Im trying to bb

[clear heath]

Also speaking of vet aura
Vet aura says it only works on elite kill, but it works on all specials and elites
Ours also says it works on elite kill. Does it work on specials as well?

[wise pecan]

Glowing head looks like target, neuron activation

[teal needle]

I got pick n mix and malleus monstorum on the same mission

[mental vortex]

when I played veteran and zealot I let the psykers have their bb

sometimes

[teal needle]

As a treat

[clear heath]

I let them have it too

Waste of damage to attack an already exploding person

[wise pecan]

I try to let them have it, but y’know

[mental vortex]

and ammo

[wise pecan]

We all make mistakes in the heat of passion

[mental vortex]

also called murderous rampage

[burnt python]

protection is not optional, fish, we've been over this

[simple junco]

Once you reach T5, it happens much less lol

[clear heath]

Sometimes i even do a few hits to help bring stuff down to BB kill range because BB doesn't fucking kill shit

[simple junco]

Also, BB gives you a stack if you reach 51% and your target dies

[mental vortex]

ah

still painful

[wise pecan]

Lmao

[simple junco]

Yeahh, but it does animation cancel and it feels great with KB

[clear heath]

"Oh he's doing his second BB against the crusher. I'll hit it a couple times so it actually dies"

[simple junco]

tbh as long as the crusher dies, coolio

[burnt python]

bb feels good w/ barrage, feels pretty bad once you get used to barrage and try to use it raw

[wise pecan]

God, that’s hilarious. Seeing a brain burst charging up and you think “oh, psyker’s gonna need some help”

[simple junco]

I'm trying to go back to AB but it's so painful

[wise pecan]

I think barrage speed should be the default speed, and then make barrage even faster

[simple junco]

It's so good to press a button and be useful at a range

[burnt python]

yeah im already walkin back my idea of trying out ab again, barrage feels too good (and i still need pick n mix)

[simple junco]

tbh, I think BB charge rate should scale with WC stacks

[sharp ibex]

Tbh you don't need AB, as synergetic as it is

[wise pecan]

Ooo, that’s also a neat idea

[sharp ibex]

Barrage is too handy

[simple junco]

I agree, it's great, but KB is just great to have

[mental vortex]

if only bb actually scaled with difficulty

[simple junco]

Eh... I'm more or less fine with the damage it does

[burnt python]

if bb scaled the way people want it to it would be OP

[simple junco]

I just want it faster

[sharp ibex]

This

Make it faster and the stagger it causes is great

[simple junco]

the 50% stagger is absolutely massive on a gunner

Or a reaper

[sharp ibex]

yup

esp when the vet is supressed to fuck

[wise pecan]

Frankly I just don’t use brain burst often enough to justify barrage to myself. I’d rather be able to blindsnipe snipers through a horde with AB, or spend my warp charges to refresh ult faster for emergency peril management

[burnt python]

my guy you are using ab to kill snipers over bb?

you have gone astray

[mental vortex]

also would be cool if it was an actual brain burst and not a lightning strike

[simple junco]

It adds drama

[wise pecan]

I generally use bb, but sometimes you’re on that bridge section and the light is in your eyes and you can’t see shit so you just wing it and then the sniper pops up in your kill feed

[burnt python]

bb isn't amazing but its good enough that you are unnecessarily hamstringing yourself by not using it at all

[simple junco]

idk, all they really need to do is either make peril resistance or BB charge speed tied to WC stacks instead of damage and the class would feel so much better to use

[wet gust]

EZ

[simple junco]

WHY HAVE I NEVER THOUGHT OF DOING IT THERE

[burnt python]

grats

[simple junco]

It makes so much sense

[burnt python]

its the easiest spot to get it organically

you can get it with just force sword there lol

[simple junco]

I literally always just purg a sideline and be done with it

[wet jacinth]

just use the talent that makes bb faster/give less peril

[wet gust]

I just had the idea in the last minute

[wise pecan]

I still had to ask my team, but it’s where I got it as well lol

[wet jacinth]

after ult use

[simple junco]

I already do lol. Going back is painful, and these feats should already exist intrinsically on the character

BB feels terrible to use without KB in some situations

[wet jacinth]

peril management :/

[simple junco]

Got 3 sniper spawns? You'll get em in 3-4 business days

[shut thorn]

So this is odd

Digging through a buncha stuff

Biomancer and Psykinetic have specific cosmetics

?????

[burnt python]

huh

[simple junco]

Dude, poor class design isn't a skill issue lol

[clear heath]

wtf

[wet gust]

Psyker really needs +1 Wound?

[drowsy fog]

Yknow in terms of the tabletop game... we're terrifying. 4 people vs thousands and capable of winning without even a single wound

[wise pecan]

Not unusual. Previous ‘tide games had subclass specific cosmetics

[shut thorn]

dev_name":"Psyker Inquisition Slacks","display_name":"loc_psyker_lowerbody_career_02_lvl_03_s

[shut thorn]

what's unusual is that current "class" we have is biomancer

[simple junco]

4 murderhobos rolling through the neighborhood, yeah sounds like a standard session

[burnt python]

we thought biomancer became psykinetic

not that they were seperate

[wise pecan]

True. I wonder if they’ll release Actual Biomancer later, lol

[clear heath]

Maybe we're getting biomancer after all

[drowsy fog]

Nah I mean the war game with armies and such

[wet gust]

Best for leveling? I'm 23 yet

[shut thorn]

There's also

5 tiers of cosmetics for classes

Damnation penances?

[simple junco]

tbh, I think 1 would be better to use for overall levelling

[visual snow]

use dueling sword V for leveling

[wise pecan]

I’d say it doesn’t need it, but I run it for peace of mind anyways. The screen desaturation fucks with me

[visual snow]

blaze isnt really useful until deflector imo

[simple junco]

God, this.

Running purgatus in 1984 mode is hard on the eyes

[quiet plover]

Bit confused on how damage is calculated for the warp flame staff? Says that the one of the left has higher damage yet the exact numbers are the same for both?

[visual snow]

u gotta hit the inspect

for both of them

[wise pecan]

It’s not often I go down twice, but it isn’t terribly rare that I go down once, so I’m happy trading 20% health for never seeing that screen desaturation

[wet gust]

Probably like Zealot's Flamer. Burn is the damage stat

[quiet plover]

So the actual dot on the flame is higher while the pseudo impact of the flame is the same?

[simple junco]

Burn is more or less your actual DOT effectiveness. Low damage with high burn is more effective than high damage with low burn.

[shut thorn]

vet_1: grunt
vet_2: sharpshooter
vet_3: drill sgt
zel_1: pious stabber
zel_2: preacher
zel_3: banisher
ogr_1: bullgryn
ogr_2: skullbreaker
ogr_3: gun lugger
Psyker_1: maybe biomancer?
Psyker_2: Psykinetic
Psyker_3: "Inqusition"

[quiet plover]

I see then

[wet gust]

Tick Damage is based on Burn, not in Damage

[clear heath]

The damage doesn't have that big of a range

[shut thorn]

might be misordered

[wise pecan]

Left has a higher damage stat, but not so much higher as to actually make a difference given the scaling

[burnt python]

the dmg range on that staff is low and hte % difference in those values isn't enough to overcome the rounded value being shown

[wet gust]

Still not sure what Damage really does to Flamer/Purgatus

[shut thorn]

gunslinger = biomancer
biomancer(old) = psykinetic
protectorate= inquisition

likely

[visual snow]

damage ups the actual damage when it hits, but it is pretty small

[burnt python]

sure seems that way

[visual snow]

it tells you when you mouse over it in the inspect

[clear heath]

Pretty sure the hit itself does do damage
For purg staff you can see it ranges from 9 - 11 damage so not that much

[burnt python]

have you seen what the ultimate is for biomancer? or just seen knives

[wet gust]

Anyone has a picture in first person of how Force Sword looks like with Crucis Nightshade Camo? Thanks ❤️

[wise pecan]

Is that the blue one?

[wet gust]

Yes, the blue one

[wet gust]

first person x' D

[wise pecan]

It looks like that, but with your meaty mitts around most of it :P

[shut thorn]

im not sure if its actually called biomancer but it seems to be

the gunslinger or whatever (not sure if its psyk_1 or psyk_3)

marks everything in proximity

[wet gust]

My what? o0'

[shut thorn]

so its likely like vet ult

the homing knives go for heads

they're g

[burnt python]

oh damn missed the detail where knives are homing

[wet gust]

ooh it looks pretty good

[modest fable]

So main thing of a smite spell is that it staggers? it deals quite low dmg I think?

[wet gust]

thanks for taking your time mate ❤️

[clear heath]

np

[drowsy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/big-meaty-claws-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-blue-fish-claws-gif-7387164

[wise pecan]

So it’s basically just a kerillian ult?

Am I remembering vt2 right? Kerillian had an auto headshot ult right?

Or was that sienna?

[wet gust]

Disgusting baldness

[dusky lantern]

The psyker gods have blessed my store!

[shut thorn]

okay

[drowsy fog]

Oooo nice

[shut thorn]

!!!

[modest fable]

Kerillian. But psyker in general is more like Sienna

[shut thorn]

Psyker_3

is

wyrdvane

[wet gust]

[shut thorn]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Wyrdvane_Psyker

we get

biomancer, psykinetic and wyrdvane

someone on here

called it

[wise pecan]

Hm? How do you know?

[shut thorn]

the cache database

[dense cloud]

yeeeeeeeeest

finaly

[tawny maple]

that wouldnt make sense, wyrdvane have to work in groups. Our psyker is already a primaris

[shut thorn]

yeah ive no idea why its called wyrdvane

[drowsy fog]

I would like to have a big psychic bubble as a defensive F and put a feat on it that slaps enemies with like 20 soulblaze if they breach it

[wet gust]

https://tenor.com/view/swinging-sword-zeo-megazord-power-rangers-zeo-megazord-first-battle-power-rangers-zeo-megazord-saber-gif-19568631

[shut thorn]

"loc_psyker_career_03_lvl_03_headgear_set_03_desc","dev_description":"Psyker class wyrdvane. Part of tier 3 cosmetic set. Inquisition color scheme. "

[dense cloud]

i have 25 fsw

[shut thorn]

well

[simple junco]

Void titans have entered the chat

[dense cloud]

i rold now i have it

[shut thorn]

protectorate aka possibly wyrdvane?

[burnt python]

i would also like to play bubble boy

[shut thorn]

gets a shield

or well

a giant dome

there is files for a preacher book thing

that gives bubble shield

[burnt python]

from the page u linked

[drowsy fog]

What's the emperors real name?

[shut thorn]

its gonna be the telekine dome

[wet gust]

What perks are good for Force Sword and Purgatus Staff?

[shut thorn]

Telekine Dome - Bullets bounce off of thin air and are deflected alarmingly towards friendly forces as the psyker erects a barrier of shimmering psychic energy about himself.

[burnt python]

ahh

[shut thorn]

i am not sure if wydrvane or biomancer is the one with shield tho, it shudnt be biomancer since its not a telekine

[wet gust]

Purgatus vs + Damage (Groaners, Poxwalkers)?

[burnt python]

% chance to crit, 2nd perk doesnt really matter, only effects direct dmg not dot

[wet gust]

Really? What a shame

I wonder if Zealot's flamer has the same problem

[shut thorn]

also 2h force sword is very likely

[sharp ibex]

Zealots flamer, does not have any problems

[simple junco]

Force knife would be a great addition

[sharp ibex]

Trust

[wise pecan]

Couldn’t that just mean the set is meant to look wyrdvane-y? Genuine question, I don’t know Fatshark’s naming scheme for these things

[shut thorn]

G for "gunslinger" aka probably biomancer

[shut thorn]

no

because career_03 is wyrdvane

career_02 is psykinetic

career_01 is biomancer

[simple junco]

I tried using the zealot flamer... It feels so clunky and lame to use

[wet gust]

They tell me perk doesn't affect dot either

[simple junco]

I'd rather use a crusher and a bolter

[burnt python]

did other classes also get there "career_02" on release or did they just change their mind on which psyker to go with first

[shut thorn]

yes

every class ingame

is career 02

lemme get the other class careers

[sharp ibex]

Lol it's the best thing zealots have

It does so much damage and CC

[shut thorn]

keep in mind these are still internal names

[sharp ibex]

Even if it rolled a 0 in ever stat

[burnt python]

that is irrelevant to the question he's asking lol

[wet gust]

Try again

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[sharp ibex]

How?

[burnt python]

he's not asking if the wep is good he's asking if the perks apply to the dot

and they do not

[wise pecan]

also, an inspect view, in case you want it:

[sharp ibex]

And I stated that it doesn't even matter, then he said it feels clunky and lame

Keep up

[wet gust]

Well, time for me to sleep boyos, good night you all and might the Emperor bless your daily shop in 30mins

[wet gust]

amazing, thanks ❤️

[simple junco]

I literally only said it felt clunky lol

I wasn't a part of that convo

[night marten]

the claw and wings trinkets look good, but this model is not how it looks in the penance

[burnt python]

the person who said it felt clunky is not who you responded to lmao

[night marten]

or maybe they're just showing you the back

[burnt python]

you responded to the person asking if perks apply the same as purg

[shut thorn]

"loc_veteran_career_01_lvl_03_headgear_set_01_desc","dev_description":"Veteran Drill Sergeant class headset. Part of tier 3
"loc_veteran_career_02_lvl_03_headgear_set_04_desc","dev_description":"Veteran Grunt helmet. Part of tier 3 cosmetic
grunt is sharpshooter it seems

[wet gust]

It reminds me to DBD trinkets

[night marten]

THEY ARE

[sharp ibex]

???

[night marten]

why would you put it on backwards

[simple junco]

I think we're missing the real version of the flamer in that case lol

[burnt python]

sry im dumb

[wise pecan]

yeah that trinket was a massive disappointment lol. it's way fatter than it looks, and also backwards

i want to look at the skulls damnit

[burnt python]

u right

[night marten]

I would love it if it wasn't backwards, yea

[shut thorn]

zealot_career_01_lvl_01_set_01_desc","dev_description":"Zealot Preacher class tier 1 cosmetics collection
"loc_zealot_career_02_lvl_03_set_01_desc","dev_description":"Zealot Exoriator class tier 3 cosmetics collection.

keep in mind

[sharp ibex]

I forgive you

DW

[wet gust]

What is that? I main Zealot >.<

[shut thorn]

zealot class names are known to be pious stabber, preacher and banisher

[sharp ibex]

I'm in a good mood because I just did Untouchable on this class I thought i'd hate to play

[shut thorn]

these are internal names

the wyrdvane stuff

etc

[night marten]

the pre-game 10 minute wait

[burnt python]

are you in damn? i'll try to qp in lol

[night marten]

yea

[simple junco]

Is it that time of night already? rip

[night marten]

trying to get a raid done, last I need for the portrait

[wise pecan]

and a look at the back half of the sword (trinket removed for visual clarity)

[night marten]

idk if matchmaking is just broken or what

[wet gust]

Yo uare the best, I will buy it tomorrow 😍

[burnt python]

it put me in a lobby w/ 2 other psykers instead

[sharp ibex]

You got this one?

[night marten]

ye

[sharp ibex]

Need a hand?

[night marten]

sure do

oh an ogryn joined

[sharp ibex]

PSYKERS HO

[wet gust]

In case someone wants to know how Blue Camo Eviscerator looks like (also with blood on it)

Now I leave to sleep! Bye!

[burnt python]

omg one of these guys also has trauma, 2x trauma damn run im so excited

[night marten]

lol lets go

[sharp ibex]

I was too slow lol, In a lobby by my lonesome

[wise pecan]

Yeah, it’s def my favorite force sword skin

That handle is gorgeous

[wet gust]

I can't argue that

[mortal pendant]

what perks (not blessings) do yall go for on surge staff

[wise pecan]

+carapace +flak

Work to your strengths

[mortal pendant]

i feel like carapace is kinda useless

there's legit 1 enemy thats got the carapace type

[fierce sinew]

I run flak maniac

good coverage, and most of the things not covered surge is for stunlocking more than killing

[clear heath]

The game hasn't given me a surge staff worth upgrading yet
I just run some shitty blue one i got

[wise pecan]

Fair, but counterpoint: it’s the biggest pain in the ass enemy that you can do reasonable surge damage with

[mortal pendant]

yeah but i got teammates and brainbursts

feels like a waste of a perk slot to deal with just 1 enemy

[wise pecan]

What’s surge’s maniac damage anyways? It’s not ~400 like flak and such, is it?

[wise pecan]

Ah, so maniac damage isn’t worthless like unarmored is

Also lmao at surge having weak point damage

[mortal pendant]

my current setup

[crisp yacht]

do i waste melk coins on this? damage and pen kinda low but everything is pretty nice

[clear heath]

this is my trusty surge staff

[wise pecan]

Why’d you settle on unarmored? It seems like going for flak instead might let you one-shot the armored gunmen

[fierce sinew]

unarmored and infested are kind of a waste, carapace and unyielding have too few targets to be worth imo

[mortal pendant]

ive just been rolling for 20mins

[fierce sinew]

I tried those for a while and settled on maniac

[mortal pendant]

i wanna settle with flak

[wise pecan]

Fair lol

[fierce sinew]

flak is the obligatory first choice

for surge I think

[shut thorn]

gunslinger = "biomancer"
biomancer = "psykinetic"
protectorate = "wyrdvane"

fucking why

[ebon jolt]

Also probably better to roll after you hit purple.

[wise pecan]

I’d say go for it. You wont be one-shotting a lot on Damnation, so decapitated will be limited, but it has decent stats and brutal momentum

Keep maniac damage, switch out stamina for… flak? Unarmored? Your choice

[fierce sinew]

yeah, I think if you consecrate into flak you roll into maniac for your second, and if you consecrate into carapace/unyielding/maniac you roll flak

if you consecrate into 2 that aren't any of those it sits in your bag looking sad and eventually becomes fodder for whatever our blessing crafting eventually is

[main swift]

You psykers are weird. You complain that devs don't care about your character, yet it's the only character that devs gave unique blue ping

[wise pecan]

Lmao

Took me a minute to get it

[proud mantle]

is this worth getting from mr melkman

[timber shale]

Surge already does bonus damage to flak/carapace. I’d rather take vs unarmored and be able to kill both scab AND drag shooters

[shut thorn]

wait a min

is this ingame

[wise pecan]

Do rapiers ever actually hit 3 dudes?

[proud mantle]

doubtful tbh

[wise pecan]

I think that’s a zealot cosmetic

[proud mantle]

i was just saying stat wise tho

[shut thorn]

it is, weird that it has a psyker collar

[wise pecan]

I think that’s less a psyker collar and more a like… vox speaker, maybe?

[remote tusk]

Thoughts on this thing?

[wise pecan]

I’m not intimately familiar with 40k tech

[proud mantle]

this just looks like a better version of wht i was asking lmao

[wise pecan]

That’s because it is lol

I don’t know how much of an impact that penetration roll will have

[proud mantle]

well it reset lol

does anyone use tactical axes

[fair kayak]

do I buy this on Principle?

[proud mantle]

yes

[ebon jolt]

Wut is that blessing and how does it work? I want one.

[fair kayak]

the perks and blessings are trash

[maiden sleet]

I crafted it from blue only because it had deflector lol

[clear heath]

You could take that 15% block efficiency and turn it into 20% if you wanna reroll for 20 minutes

[shut thorn]

Covenant Mk VIII Blaze Force Greatsword

[maiden sleet]

And I randomly got that +100% crit on special attack

[shut thorn]

:)

[maiden sleet]

Yeah I did it a few minutes ago

[clear heath]

nice

[shut thorn]

FGS is a thing

[maiden sleet]

Took like 2 minutes to get it had my fingers crossed

[ebon jolt]

So if you get a special kill your next hit is guaranteed 100% crit? That seems bonkers. I tried earlier today and found I can one shot a mutant on damnation with a special crit on my Force Sword. That blessing seems much easier than crucian roulette cheese.

[clear heath]

This is what i use

[maiden sleet]

Yep

[clear heath]

Blazing spirit

[maiden sleet]

Atleast you got deflector

[proud mantle]

waithow long does that last

the crit chance

[maiden sleet]

About to test it out rn

[tranquil fiber]

prediction 4-5s

[fair kayak]

fuck thats good

[tranquil fiber]

oo actually

probably 2-3s

[maiden sleet]

Yeah 5 seconds

As soon as I killed a elite, all my basic attacks were all crits for 5 seconds

[ebon jolt]

Wuuuuut. How about special attacks. Those crits too?

[maiden sleet]

I have to get a elite kill first to activated it

[tranquil fiber]

Blazing Spirit and Bloodthirster sounds fun

[worn canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1054805125962674196/Big_Brain_Plays.mp4

I was sent this

[keen pawn]

so so good, but also so so bad

[clear heath]

Blazing spirit doesn't do shit most of the time, and i don't run purg anyways

[worn canopy]

Can’t wait to get that staff!

Wow!

[night marten]

ok I'll give him credit, this is the most decent melk's offering I've seen in a while

[tranquil fiber]

lmfao woah. Thats interesting

[ebon jolt]

Does it even roll on Purg?

[tranquil fiber]

So Veteran can do it all.

[tranquil fiber]

@shut thorn for when you wake up

[night marten]

but you would combo it while running purg staff

[foggy tangle]

does warp flurry work on void?

[clear heath]

No but i mean, you'd only care about soulblaze if you were running purg
Soulblaze only does decent damage at higher stacks cause it scales up with stack count

[keen pawn]

OH COME ONNN MANNNN

[clear heath]

But even then, you wouldn't want to rely on critting with melee to reach high soulblaze stacks
You'd just burn them longer with purg

[tranquil fiber]

Melk just wants to be loved

[night marten]

then he needs to up his game and offer only 350+ base stats

[tranquil fiber]

true

[alpine grove]

Got a question as someone who hasn't played a lot of psyker yet: thoughts on non-warp weapon options? Aka guns and melee weapons that isn't the force sword

[tranquil fiber]

that being said Melk is now spawning 6 - 7 drops now vs the 4 or 5 it was in the beginning

[night marten]

ant axe V

[burnt python]

double trauma damn run success

slow, but successful

[tranquil fiber]

the way it should be done.

[clear heath]

There's actually a cool thing you can do with non-force melee weapons
Passive quell goes down faster with non-force weapons, and you can use peril to block with a feat later on.
You can do stupid shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUJnVK9F78

[night marten]

we failed. AI director started never-ending spawn halfway through, and we just tried to stay ahead of it. killed by ogre plus ranged pack

[alpine grove]

What about it? Is it good? What about it makes it good compared to other axes?

[west fjord]

The rolls in this game sometimes 😄

[clear heath]

I believe the guy is running 20% block cost reduction, but you could go with 0% if you put in any amount of effort to dodge once in a while

[west fjord]

Quell is a bit of a dump stat right?

[alpine grove]

Oh cool

What about using guns instead of a staff tho?

[clear heath]

I don't see a great reason to play psyker if you're using a gun.
I guess if you still want to benefit from peril blocking but don't care about anything else

[alpine grove]

I enjoy popping heads too

[clear heath]

They have like no bonuses for guns

headpop isn't really that good later on

[shut thorn]

what the fuck

[clear heath]

The main reason to headpop later on is just to stagger bulwarks or to deal with far away specials because you don't have a gun

[jaunty moth]

should i buy it? ill never use it buy it looks ok

[shut thorn]

Covenant MK VIII FGS

[drowsy fog]

I can't make anything out of that image

[maiden sleet]

Two handed force weapon possible?

[drowsy fog]

Phone problems I guess

[random wolf]

Accatran VIIa. Can't go wrong.

[alpine grove]

What about that one feat that causes head pop on attack or the one that boosts non warp damage after a nonlethal head pop? Along with a high firerate gun of course

[random wolf]

It works.

[raw breach]

nah i can't tell wtf it's supposed to be showing either

[alpine grove]

What's that?

[random wolf]

I've fired a burst on a Reaper and it headpop'd

In the words of Ogryn.

"Was funny"

[random wolf]

Full auto lasgun

[alpine grove]

Oh a recon lasgun, gotcha

[random wolf]

Specifically the VIIa or II

The VId is a tad low on the damage scale.

And you'll chug ammo

[alpine grove]

I see

[clear heath]

I've never given that feat that much thought. Headpop takes so long that i never really think about it

[ebon jolt]

Stats are pretty good. Not sure how good Trickshooter would be because you have to reload after 5 shots. I've been having fun with revolver and trying to get gun psyker to be passable. I think revolver might be one of the worse ranged weapons for Psyker though because there seems to be some sort of suppression or negative stability at high peril causing guns without stability to go all over the place when aiming. Edit: Perks are good too.

[random wolf]

It's a 10% chance to headpop on any attack every 15 seconds. It's fun.

Even guns

[raw breach]

Accatran Mk2 (best auto lasgun) or Kantrael Mk12 (hard hitting semi auto) for guns. Antax Mk5 Combat Axe is really solid with peril block feat, Dueling Sword can be good, Mk1 Devil's Claw for non force swords

[random wolf]

No peril. No cast time

Just pop free damage.

Also duelling swords are hit/miss depending on what movelist you like.

[clear heath]

Oh i meant the extra damage on headpop.
I use the free headpop all the time

[random wolf]

I'm a fan of the 4.

[clear heath]

Extra damage after a headpop just seems like a meme

[alpine grove]

Thanks mate

[random wolf]

Oh the 15% more damage? Last I remembered the other options were more attractive

[alpine grove]

I also enjoy the feel of that one machine pistol though I suppose it isn't that good lmao

[obsidian creek]

surge blessing on voidstrike staff or nah?

[random wolf]

Didn't some test that Surge wasn't working?

[shut thorn]

Confirmed

[random wolf]

Assuming that's the faster charge one right?

[obsidian creek]

2 shots

[ebon jolt]

If you can get it then grab it for reblessing later. I still think transfer peril is better but I want to try a surge warp nexus staff at some point.

[random wolf]

That's a first.

[maiden sleet]

Tier 4 surge nice

[raw breach]

Bretonnian Force Longsword when?

[maiden sleet]

In 2023

[random wolf]

Emperor's Sword when?

[ebon jolt]

Surge only procs on things that don't already die to your damage. Which is non-mobs. Which void isn't as good against. And you need Warp nexus to make it consistent.

[shut thorn]

prob not

[orchid nest]

damn melk has a 380. it's a tac axe though

[random wolf]

Blessings?

If it has Brutal Momentum, Grab it.

[random wolf]

Ah rip

[raw breach]

BRUH. Mk2 tac axe is the best one too, and those blessings are legit

[random wolf]

You can reset limb splitter by blocking.

[ebon jolt]

Dang. If only the stability didn't suck.

[obsidian creek]

no brutal on it though

rip

[raw breach]

that tac axe is a zealot's wet dream, so i'm sure you'd get by with it as a Psyker

[random wolf]

Yeah it's not the Antax V where you can spam the push attack for hordes

[orchid nest]

I never tried the mk2 one I guess, have used antax a lot though

[random wolf]

I'd be pissed at Limbsplitter ngl

[orchid nest]

for combat axe

[obsidian creek]

mk2 needs brutal momentum

[random wolf]

Yeah.

[raw breach]

oh right, it do be needing the cleave tho

[obsidian creek]

indeed it do

[random wolf]

Like I said it doesn't have the Antax push attack spam tech

[random wolf]

In shop or Melk?

[ebon jolt]

Melk.

[random wolf]

Oof

[ebon jolt]

Can shop roll purples?

[obsidian creek]

so what curios do you maniacs gear towards?

toughness 131?

[random wolf]

HP personally.

[random wolf]

It ain't a 2 but it's still worth it.

[obsidian creek]

full hp, gunner res, combat ability regen?

[sharp ibex]

I tried it, got me untouchable 2nd mission I used it lol

[grim bay]

ahaha

[sharp ibex]

You're a genius

[random wolf]

Sounds like a plan.

[ebon jolt]

Why is the II the best t-axe?

Never used them much.

[grim bay]

people come in here and get insanely angry at me for telling people about it

[obsidian creek]

it's strike pattern

and it's quick

[random wolf]

Easy headshots

[grim bay]

now try controlling spawn limits in the matches, have the horde on you, tell team not to kill, and then no more spawn

[random wolf]

Combo with Brutal Momentum and it shreds hordes

[obsidian creek]

yep

[random wolf]

Despite being a single target weapon.

[ebon jolt]

I personally do 1 wound + 2 HP. That was until I learned that toughness regen isn't working as intended. All of my curios have toughness regen -_-

[grim bay]

so you can let them 3v1 assassination at end, or any time its a "surivive" mechanic, you just hold horde and afk

makes damnation free

[raw breach]

double horizontal heavy

[sharp ibex]

Duelling sword and that, I was just bullying every group I came across. Honestly that takes up WAY less peril than I thought it would

[grim bay]

just LineOfSight Ranged

its 9seconds to passive quell

vs 51seconds on staff/Dueling

sorry, staff/forcesword*

obv they have active quell which is faster, but cant active while blocking 😉

wait till you fight a daemon, tell the team to trust

[sharp ibex]

I DID

[obsidian creek]

wait you're saying peril quells quicker with a non force sword?

[grim bay]

and tell them to focus horde/specs first, and when they're free. then they can kill daemon, till then you just sit in a corner with him

[raw breach]

damn shame you cant quell while blockling with a force sword. would be totally balanced when used with peril block lol

[sharp ibex]

Just stood there, blocking and bopping inbetween hits, it was hilarious

[grim bay]

Passive Quell is insanely fast on NON peril weapons to make up for having no quell active

so force sword and staff take 50seconds to passive quell

[raw breach]

yep. biggest reason i swapped to Antax mk5

[obsidian creek]

so

[ebon jolt]

Why. Why do I roll EXP every time I get a decent curio from the shop?

[sharp ibex]

Yeah man, like it ticks up 2 or 3 perils, then dissapears

[grim bay]

reason DS > axes is just because the push cost = 1 instead of 3

[sharp ibex]

I'm convinced it's broken

[obsidian creek]

so blocking with peril over stamina

[grim bay]

because with 0 stamina left, you will get hit thru block EVEN WITH peril

[obsidian creek]

with a non force sword

[shut thorn]

Best staff is BFG

[obsidian creek]

is effectively infinite?

[grim bay]

but with DS it regens faster than you push, so you have a 1 frame hit window vs axe being huge

infinite block yea

[random wolf]

Yes

[obsidian creek]

no

[grim bay]

only thing that breaks it is a overhead attack

[obsidian creek]

no way

[grim bay]

since they dont get blocked

[raw breach]

DS is for a different attack playstyle then C.Axe. I run C.Axe because i use my melee mostly defensively

[sharp ibex]

Ya way

[random wolf]

You passively quell faster than you gain

[obsidian creek]

lol

[random wolf]

You can tank a Daemonhost

[grim bay]

• you auto block while reviving, so you cant get interupted when saving people. jsut walk thru horde and save your boys

just dont get shot xD