psyker-class

[timber halo]

like do ragers ALWAYS die to it for example

[still wyvern]

no..? I don't think so at least

[stray solar]

legit if you spam A and D while sprinting fast enough on a keyboard with 1ms reaction time and 1mm activation your character starts goku teleporting

[still wyvern]

I think I got this on my first match as Psyker with a staff and using Voidstrike

[grave bobcat]

This one

[hardy socket]

got it with void

just spam down an alley while horde comes

[simple junco]

But... Purg can't weak spot crit

[still wyvern]

you can see this in mourning star its so funny

[simple junco]

Just a minor detail there

[long wharf]

purge can't weak spot hit, either

[grave bobcat]

Literally says yes to the first, but no to the 2nd???

[simple junco]

The point is I got a headshot achievement with the purg lol

[still wyvern]

I do a dance in the Hub which is just like going back and forth with my character and then it starts lagging out on inputs

[timber halo]

If only you could throw the device off the edge, that'd do my head in

[long wharf]

are you sure?

were you doing BBs?

[still wyvern]

i'd believe it honestly given the state of the game

[long wharf]

BBs count as headshots

[simple junco]

20 IN A ROW?

Are you NUTS

[sonic aspen]

This has happened to me so many times

[still wyvern]

not impossible, I managed to do one of those

[grave bobcat]

I mean technically the 10% chance perk lol

[long wharf]

I did it with BB while I was trying to get pick n mix

[still wyvern]

I just give up whenever this happens and I let someone else do it

its so frustrating to have it consistently reject

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I had to get Keth to do it

[simple junco]

I really doubt I did that on T5

[timber halo]

just spamming BB when doing warp battery too, must be pretty easy to do 20 in a row

[grave bobcat]

77118793

See if we can get anywhere

[still wyvern]

have complete faith in me, boss

[grave bobcat]

Well I was about to say I am still melee only btw

lmfao

[still wyvern]

do not worry

[grave bobcat]

Surprisingly

[still wyvern]

I can fill any role

[grave bobcat]

Not the reason we're failing

You can do whatever idc lol

[south zephyr]

How's this look, Purge enthusiasts?

[grave bobcat]

Can't be any worse than the randoms 😄

[still wyvern]

bold of you to assume we'll get any

[long wharf]

not bad

the real question is what it rolls when you upgrade it

[night marten]

when you look at the stats, do you get 15 stacks of burn?

[south zephyr]

no 😦

14

[night marten]

ah fuck

eh still good

[long wharf]

just not best

upgrade it

[south zephyr]

btw, been thinking about trying out Warp Absorption with purge, think it's worth it over Quietude?

[still wyvern]

don't worry about that image

[random wolf]

For once Melk had something I wanted.

[worthy basalt]

Does anyone have any tips for doing going out with a bang penance? Trying to do it in randoms with the groups permission

[steel flame]

Accidentally

[full egret]

Train station assassination. You’ll open the door to the place you need to hack, and there are typically enough shotgunners there. Instantly Agro them, they’ll be where the team can’t shoot them, and when the all climb up the first platform below you, overload and drop on them.

[steel flame]

Thats how I did it

[full egret]

Plus making sure you know which specials you can and can’t kill from full hp is important

[steel flame]

I've done every penance without going for it except the cliff one

[full egret]

Even monster?

[steel flame]

Yeah

[worthy basalt]

Okay thanks i'll go and see if the train station is up

[full egret]

Was your team dead lol.

[full egret]

Make sure there are enough to actually get it first or you’re just wasting your down bar

[steel flame]

No. I did it only with bb and it still gave it to me even when team was shooting it

[full egret]

Eh?

[teal storm]

Have they mentioned anything about a fix for the quell bug?

[full egret]

I know that the threshold is 90% now, but still

[steel flame]

It was during beta so maybe it was bugged

[full egret]

Wtf was your team doing lol

[full egret]

No

The team is on vacation

[steel flame]

I only used bb, team was still shooting it, still got penance

Probably a bug during beta

[full egret]

You know what we really need as a class though? A force knife. Having the burst damage of the charge and push block of force sword, with the mobility and speed of a knife

We’re squishy as hell until they release something like biomancer, so being mobile is our best choice

[shadow wigeon]

Psykinetic Aura - 15% cooldown bonus for allies on coherency, when it says "on elite kill" I assume it only means if you killed them, not allies as well

[full egret]

No, every elite

Works the same way as the Veteran’s ammo regen I believe

[steel flame]

Far as I know they never made force knives in 40k. Maybe an obscure grey knight had a custom one but that might as well be a force sword

[shadow wigeon]

does it affect your CD as well?

[steel flame]

Yes

[full egret]

Much like power weapons, it doesn’t matter what it is, it’s still a force weapon and extremely lethal

[steel flame]

You get kill you get cooldown, they get kill they get cooldown

[full egret]

Plus, the anathemas exist…..

[echo parrot]

Unravel plays as my tears trail down my face.

[full egret]

Plus, there’s a really neat quirk with force weapons.

A psyker good enough with their weapon can use it’s properties remotely

Aka

You can throw a force knife, make their head explode, and pull it back to your hand

Imagine how much cooler that would be compared to ANYTHING

[steel flame]

No shot we ever get that

[steel flame]

It would be throwing spears all over again

[full egret]

Precision telekinesis, 200xp in the fantasy of flight 40k TTRPG

But the other big thing if you can give your force sword to other people to use

[steel flame]

That sounds like heresy

[full egret]

Imagine the team combo as you force enhance a zealot’s sword

[full egret]

Nope!

It’s just extremely rare

You basically need to have spent most of your life with the weapon

[steel flame]

I hope we get a force halberd in the future

[cosmic heath]

pog

[steel flame]

Nicely done

[full egret]

I do hope for a force hammer

Big bonk

[steel flame]

Hope it's not a clone of power maul

[cosmic heath]

I've already done most of these lol

just gotta play more missions

[full egret]

Can’t really be. A force hammer would be the highest single target damage weapon.

The thunder hammer lacking it’s AOE burst (that they put on a power maul for some reason) is sad

[cosmic heath]

thunder hammer needs AOE

asap

[nimble needle]

I just have to get 2 more mission types but I have no idea which ones 🙂

[cosmic heath]

this is why you keep notes

[full egret]

Thunder hammer needs a damaging AOE, force sword needs a stunning AOE

[cosmic heath]

or y'know, the game should just give you a list

[nimble needle]

I'll just quick play heresy until I get it

[cosmic heath]

yeah

I've done 2/7 heresy

[full egret]

5 days later.

[nimble needle]

More than that, I'll bet. But it's whatever. I don't need the goggle hood

[woven crow]

How can I go out with a bang on pub matches easily? Is there a good level for it? I

[nimble needle]

Easily? Can't. I did it on malice, it's mostly luck and suicidal ideation

[woven crow]

Suicidal urges do come easy playing psyker

[plucky remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435301220949950464/1054492585089040467/image.png

Check this cool thing my friend got

[long wharf]

wait, what's Surge?

[clear heath]

the thing burning everyone's retinas

[nimble needle]

When I loaded in to a map I'd tell my group "I'm trying for a penance, I'm going to explode on 3 elites."

"That's not the first time I've said that sentence ;)."

Try to warn them and make it light hearted because these penances are griefing

[clear heath]

oh you mean the blessing

[long wharf]

no, the Surge blessing

[clear heath]

idk, does anyone have a video of what it looks like when you cast?

sounds cool

[nimble needle]

I think someone said it only works on primary fire. Don't quote me though

[long wharf]

does that mean you get double shots when the projectile would cause critical hits?

[clear heath]

that's fucked up

[steel flame]

My god I need surge now

[clear heath]

primary fire
🤢

[steel flame]

Aw

LAME

Boooooo

[nimble needle]

#psyker-class message

[south zephyr]

what are some good blessings/perks for Purge?

[marble birch]

Alright so, I'm the one who's staff above that is

So it's not as nice as I thought it was?

[long wharf]

you need to do some testing to see how that blessing works

[marble birch]

I suppose I will.

The emperor blessed me with it after all, he trusted me with his work!

[steel flame]

I'm hoping for a good fire staff with flurry soon

[high agate]

That one arguably isn't griefing. I accidentally blew myself up once but it was during a fuckhuge horde + multipled armoreds on damnation and it gave us a ton of breathing room

[echo parrot]

Kill me

[steel flame]

Nah. I want to watch you SUFFER

[nimble needle]

No. Your work for the Emperor isn't done yet.

[full egret]

I’m still holding my imperial edition cash

Considered getting the radar dish for the giggles though

[south zephyr]

gun psyker time?

[full egret]

It’s about time the ogryns for their line of sight blocked.

[nimble needle]

I just wanted the leaf blade sword so tried to buy it. I don't know if that's impossible or if I fucked it up but I got the whole set 🤡

[steel flame]

It would be better if it was an la Lasgun

Not bad though

[long wharf]

why?

[nimble needle]

Rule of cool

[steel flame]

Its really slow firerate vs how you can spam la version

[nimble needle]

Rate of fire huge for gun witch

[long wharf]

then go recon lasgun

[south zephyr]

I could if I wanted to lol

[long wharf]

a shame you can't give that to your Vet

[steel flame]

Das nice

I think chat just died

For abit there

[simple junco]

Gunkers took the reins there

[nimble needle]

Sorry, I'm back

[steel flame]

Does anyone know how unstable power actually scales?

On the force sword

[timber shale]

I don't agree. Kinetic Flayer is on a cooldown, and it's going to be proccing against random trash mobs 90% of the time. Fire rate doesn't matter for gun psyker.

[nimble needle]

Go test it, but I suspect that it only affects the activation

[nimble needle]

Sort of, but you want it to proc as soon as possible after the cool down is up. Higher fire rate will cause that to happen sooner more frequently

[steel flame]

I mean does it give 5% max or does that 5% stack with more peril

[nimble needle]

Oh shit I was thinking of psykinetics wrath

[timber shale]

I suppose, but as gun psyker do you even care about warp charges?

[steel flame]

Healing

Toughness

[nimble needle]

No, just head pops and IMO cerebral lacerations on elites

A head pop is 15% more damage from your bullets

[timber shale]

yeah, that's why i'd rather just run with the best gun possible (which is probably the mkXII) instead of worrying about fire rate

[nimble needle]

I haven't looked at the guns much, I just stroke my staff

[steel flame]

Can't rely on quell unless you have power sword, although I guess you could bb manually

[lyric hatch]

lightning

[nimble needle]

That's a whole ass statement

[steel flame]

Man has a way with word

No kidding

[hardy pelican]

They should just have pistols and staffs, drop the rifles

[timber shale]

i wish the laspistol sucked less. Its force push makes me want to use it but it just isn't good enough 😦

[hardy pelican]

And give pistols a force type attack

For secondary

[hardy pelican]

Thatll shake up the meta abit

[teal needle]

Kinetic flayer only has about a ten second period to matter for refreshing stacks. A gun with less than about 2 rps is likely to drop stacks even if you are shooting the whole period

[timber shale]

This is true, but I don't see much reason to care about maintaining stacks unless you're running Ascendant Blaze or you're using a staff and need the warp resist from Inner Tranquility

[nimble needle]

Yeah I was too lazy to do the whole "math" thing

Ranged toughness shield, free damage, heal toughness on warp charge, AB, Quickening

Cerebral lacerations uptime

[teal needle]

That's fair, i don't care about stacks playing psyker normally. I don't run gunker but if I did though I'd probably care quite a bit about keeping stacks up, especially with a high rof gun it'll save ammo and affect kill time very actively

[nimble needle]

Gunker lol. Can't we say gun witch, bullet witch, or Bayonetta?

[vestal finch]

Gunker is an appropriate name

[nimble needle]

You're a gunker

[timber shale]

I'm running deflector and peril block, so no toughness from warp charges. The free damage is going to happen on random chaff mostly so it's not worth running a worse gun for imo. Heal toughness on warp charge is great, but doesn't require you to maintain charges, so it's fine if they drop off here and there. Quickening is just terrible, if you want more ults you should go PsyAura and Kinetic Barrage instead.

[nimble needle]

Aight, play how you want

[worn canopy]

Gunker moment

[night marten]

121122 baby burninate everything

[timber shale]

Yeah, you too. Sorry, not trying to be argumentative here, I just think that building around KF on gunker is a trap, and I like theorycrafting with folks

[night marten]

flayer seems like it only really syngerizes well with guns imo

repeated, precise damage vs all the staffs mostly doing wide area shit

means you should be less likely to waste the flayer proc.

[summer prairie]

too bad the other talents in that tier are useless for most builds

[timber shale]

interesting, I feel like it's only real value is maintaining warp charges

[nimble needle]

My theory is that for most people, increasing the number of free brain bursts will be massively beneficial, even if charges didn't exist.

[night marten]

idk, maybe it could be useful with surge too since you're mostly trying to focus elites in packs and you get lucky

[teal needle]

Flayer is really only useful for stacks, there's basically no way to guarantee its not gonna be wasted most of the time except fighting monstrosities

[nimble needle]

I've had terrible luck with flayer and surge. Others report positive results though so it might be me

[night marten]

yea I don't like it personally

[nimble needle]

I've never won on a lottery ticket

[teal needle]

I bring it because I brain burst so rarely but want the warp stacks for killing elites and specials

[night marten]

think wrack and ruin, and flayer are both traps

[untold surge]

am I wrong in pretty much entirely ignoring getting the charges from brain bursts as sure 12% extra damage is nice, but actually maintaining the 4 charges is more than a 12% reduction in overall damage dealt

[summer prairie]

what else would you run with surge

even if it's barely useful

[timber shale]

W&R is absolutely a trap

[nimble needle]

Wrack and ruin is absolutely a trap

[teal needle]

Actively trying to keep stacks up is a terrible waste of time yes

[nimble needle]

Jinx

[timber shale]

if it procced on all BB kills, not just elites, W&R might have a niche role in soulblaze builds

but as is it just sucks

[nimble needle]

Haha I kind of like the one where charge overflow causes soul blaze for flavor mostly, I don't think it's that strong. I like the idea of not wasting surplus charges

[night marten]

that's what KO is for

oh you meant KO in the first place

[untold surge]

i feel that brain burst just feels totally crap to use, I feel it would be more interesting if it was more a damage over time ability so it would tear through a horde or you just keep channelling it on larger targets until their heads pop, then the damage multiplier goes off of perils level

[summer prairie]

too bad the soulblaze stacks do like 0 damage when it's just 4

[nimble needle]

Is that it's name? I can't remember

[night marten]

I'm telling you, purge+FS deflector with 121122 is really fun

Kinetic Overload

[nimble needle]

Oh yeah that middle one haha

[night marten]

between communion and AB, you and your team killing anything means elites start taking solid damage. two procs kill a rager, 3 kill a bulwark

and when you're all blasting a horde those stacks add up quick

[timber shale]

Yep! This is what I use most of the time too

[nimble needle]

I use it to snipe. Pop out, tag an elite, duck back into cover. Snipers bombers gunners and trappers are priorities

[timber shale]

the lvl 25 feat row makes me sad, because warp battery and KO would both synergize well with flayer, but you can't take it with them

[nimble needle]

I think purge gives you the most options in the feat tree because of AB.

[teal needle]

Being able to channel it for increasing DoT would be fun. You're among many like minds for thinking BB is lackluster.

[untold surge]

yeah, it had its uses but it not a very satisfying ability outside of lowest difficulty where it gets the cogryns in one burst, it taking two or more on other difficulties just feels naff

[nimble needle]

Brain burst should have been Smite

[teal needle]

I cannot enjoy using purg for the life of me. Not unless I'm in a pre-made with a vet I can trust

[nimble needle]

Swap brain burst and surge staff

[timber shale]

my dream redesign for Kinetic Overload would be "Whenever you gain a warp charge, apply a number of soulblaze stacks equal to your current number of warp charges to a nearby enemy, prioritizing elites"

[nimble needle]

Gives one strong single target staff and a support ability blitz

[fierce sinew]

just needs variable damage with charge time like the staves all have, as it is it's always going to have scalability problems

BB (that functions like it does now) that's good dps in damnation can't exist in malice

[echo parrot]

I would change "a nearby enemy" to "nearby the enemy the soul charge was gained from" and you got me onboard.

That being said if they did do that, 4 psykers would be uber broken lol

[nimble needle]

What if the target is dead though

[sacred lodge]

think after I get these last few penances done... I'm going to retire my psyker until they come out with a new subclass. I'm convinced that psykinetic is just not there for anyone's benefit, more to just fill the quota of having a psyker in the game for us nerds

[echo parrot]

Doesnt matter if they are dead or not. Would still originate from where they were.

[sacred lodge]

but hey, at least they got the whole "life is misery" thing right for them

[nimble needle]

Oh like wrack and ruin

[timber shale]

oh I like that

[nimble needle]

Yeah that's cool

[timber shale]

yeah the current range limit on KO is its biggest drawback

[nimble needle]

Very silly. If an elite is in my face I probably don't care about stacks on it

Which is why warp battery is the superior option!

Despite being the most boring

[grave bobcat]

I don't think we're THAT useless lol

[sacred lodge]

ok, maybe I just suck at psyker then

[timber shale]

Psyker isn't useless, it's just thoroughly outclassed by Vet

[nimble needle]

I think that sharpshooter sort of does our job better

[grave bobcat]

Why do you feel useless?

[timber shale]

psyker should be better at killing elites than vet, vet should be better at dealing with massed shooters

then there would actually be clear niches

[sacred lodge]

keep getting downed, feel like I'm not contributing to horde clear, can't contribute well to elite/special clear when sharpshooter does that leagues better than I ever can

[simple junco]

Try running purgatus

[echo parrot]

Or runnin gsurge

[nimble needle]

Yeah. Purgatus is easy mode

[sacred lodge]

I feel like I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what it is.

...I mean obviously I'm getting hit in melee.

[grave bobcat]

I'd say Surge is easy mode

[nimble needle]

Just run around throwing fire, swap to melee and push a few times, keep doing that

[simple junco]

tbh surge is easy mode

[grave bobcat]

Well getting hit in melee good place to start

[nimble needle]

Surge will force you to quell

[lusty wave]

Anyone wanna help me with the kamikaze penance pls?

[forest meadow]

Have they fixed the Surge VFX yet?

[grave bobcat]

DCause that happesn regardless of class

[timber shale]

Purgatus for horde clear and having fun, Surge for accepting that we're really just there to support the veteran 😦

[simple junco]

That's actually wrong tho

[sacred lodge]

I'd actually argue that M1 spam for purgatus is better CC

[night marten]

KOs range feels pretty generous to me

[sacred lodge]

it's not as good, but you can... well, spam it

[nimble needle]

I'd agree with that statement, because it won't make you explode in 4 casts

[sacred lodge]

and sometimes even a tiny stagger can save a teammate

see also
pox hounds

[nimble needle]

The fire attracts the attention of your ADHD teammates too

[grave bobcat]

Blinds us

[sonic aspen]

I had people complain they can't see with surge and with purge

[sacred lodge]

Binds us

[nimble needle]

If I had a nickel for every 3/4 brain burst that gets popped by a vet I'd have a new car

[teal needle]

M1 spam on purgatus can hit more stuff but is a far far weaker cc and doesn't work on nearly as much. You can't shut down an ogryn patrol on heresy with purg, you can with surge

[simple junco]

Purg removes hordes from a wipe condition, surge slows down elites which also is a wipe condition. They serve similar purposes but in different areas. If you really wanted to bottom support just run Aura and do nothing else if that's what you believe lol

[ebon jolt]

They're both pretty bad for late night play.

[teal needle]

Purgatus is only adequate cc for scabs and dregs

[ebon jolt]

At least flamer has a warmer color temp XD

[nimble needle]

Flamer is absolutely blinding lol. Also Ogryn shoulders 😡

[grave bobcat]

But y'all got to discussing the class when getting hit in melee isn't a class problem 😛

[sacred lodge]

clearly you've not experienced the horrors of having to stare at ogryn ass the entire match

[nimble needle]

Lowest base HP right?

[static epoch]

never seen this

it's on a void

[sacred lodge]

true
but the real goal is to not get hit in melee at all

and I've... just not developed that skill yet

[nimble needle]

You mean get to stare at Ogryn ass, surely

Spam push it's fuckin busted

[wanton sandal]

wow

[timber shale]

didn't know void could get that

[grave bobcat]

1 hit is fine, it happens. You can tank the 1 hit anyuway with toughness

[wanton sandal]

guess im a fs user now

lol

[sacred lodge]

funny thing bout that, every time I spam push, I end up getting hit in the micro-gaps between

[nimble needle]

Thought it was only trauma

[sacred lodge]

I have no idea how that happens, but it does

[supple skiff]

starting to think the latest patch changed up blessing a bit

[sacred lodge]

...of course, when I have the sword out, it's USUALLY because there's a firing squad I need to try to force into melee

[grave bobcat]

Depends how you go about doin that though

Do you have deflector?

[sacred lodge]

yep

[grave bobcat]

Do you walk right down the middle

towards them?

lol

Because of deflector

[sacred lodge]

...oh.

[nimble needle]

I wish I recorded sessions, the other day a mutant threw me into a stairwell with a horde, I used purge and force push to get out alive

[sacred lodge]

yeah, I guess that'd do it

[grave bobcat]

Just pushing far left/right to make an opening for yourself so nothing can be behind you

helps a lot

I don't use deflector on melee only build so even easier for you

[static epoch]

it was on a trauma think it was a UI bug cause I was scrolling with arrow keys fast

[nimble needle]

You make me ugly cry with this

[sacred lodge]

it's not melee only, but it sure feels that way when I keep getting vets who sleep on taking out firing squads

[grave bobcat]

Feels like every game for me

Just do it myself

[sacred lodge]

it's just usually the best way to handle those situations

[fresh reef]

troll the priest with facts and logic

[nimble needle]

BB gunners they're 1 tapped at Heresy at the least, can't say about damnation

[sacred lodge]

find the squad, use block, approach and force into melee

[wanton sandal]

use nvidia shadowplay if you have geforce, lets you clip the last like 1-10 minutes of gameplay depending on how you set it up

[grave bobcat]

But controlling sightlines

[jaunty moth]

2 bb in damn

[nimble needle]

I do, I need to remember the keybind lol

[grave bobcat]

Where you are related to cover etc

[wanton sandal]

oh lol

default is alt + f10 to record, but make sure its set to record

[grave bobcat]

Fuck you can just dodge most ranged damage as they shoot anyway

[sacred lodge]

I have max height, cover is just broken

[grave bobcat]

lmao I do too

I mean solid walls too

[sacred lodge]

yeah, I guess that works

[nimble needle]

Short gang gang

[timber shale]

this works well against scabs, but poorly against dregs

dregs tend to spread out a bit more and lock into melee less reliably

[supple skiff]

turning point tertium

[grave bobcat]

And prob relying on deflector a little too much 😛

[nimble needle]

Yeah let a zealot do that lol

[grave bobcat]

Nah

Not about class just approach

[nimble needle]

Melee psyker?

[cosmic heath]

only 2 to go

[grave bobcat]

Thats what I've been running lately to keep it fun

Just melee only

[nimble needle]

Hm, alright

Do you think you'd be better served as Ogryn or Zealot?

[grave bobcat]

Tryin all the weps see if I can find one I like

Idc if I would be lmfao

And I did try Zealot but BB is useful

[lyric hatch]

@nimble needle i went from ogryn to psyker and it hurt for the first few lvls

[nimble needle]

Once I finish my penance I'm probably going to level Zealot and see how a 2 handed chainsword with a charge feels

[grave bobcat]

Can come and play with me otherwise if you want

[lyric hatch]

yeah max height you still get hit behind half-cover

[teal needle]

Psykers a bad time until you're 30 with decent gear

[grave bobcat]

Shop stop giving me fucking axes!

I don't need more D:

[lyric hatch]

@teal needle yeah it wasnt until like lvl 20,25,30 did psker start being a beast

[raw gyro]

Same experience. Spent most of the time carrying the team until 30

[lyric hatch]

once you can passively get warps charges psyker gets really good

[raw gyro]

Whats looking like the meta staff after the patch?

[nimble needle]

Getting 6 charges with just brain burst is pain

[orchid nacelle]

it would be nice if they would double down on voidstrike staff being a bowling ball and just turn it into a horizontal wave that slices hallways in half

resident evil laser grid style

[raw gyro]

I am still running the flamethrower, because the other staffs just weren’t fun or productive

[lyric hatch]

@nimble needle yeah thats why im running psyhic commune, flayer and ascend blaze, or just use purge stick

[round shuttle]

I have iron eyeballs so I’m still running surge

[lyric hatch]

@raw gyro if only it had the normal m1

[supple skiff]

BB only feels good after I ult with the third level 30 talent selected

[teal cargo]

Heavy Evis is nice but kinda feels bad compared to Power Sword

[lyric hatch]

@supple skiff bad

[round shuttle]

To be fair, everything feels bad compared to power sword

[teal cargo]

Surge and Void are nice

[lyric hatch]

^^^

[teal cargo]

Well Evis does a similar role as Power Sword so it feels even worse

Whereas Thammer which i think isnt as good most of the time as Evis at least got its own niche

[south zephyr]

If only the blessing hadn't rolled low 😐

oh well, faster charge is faster charge

[supple skiff]

was of the opinion that BB had a use for back line specials like the sniper and gunner, and while that true to a degree, now that I have a decent level vet they're ablity to delete them almost instantly, well the comparison hurts lol

[teal cargo]

And trappers

But a single vet cant shoot everything

so time to take care of specials is there

[lyric hatch]

@supple skiff BB to me is for that and specials that run around corners or cover

[rose gazelle]

I ended up putting my build onto the build editor on gameslantern. If you are interested a gunplay style psyker feel free to give this a read! https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/30712c14-9e8d-4eab-ac76-044f83c27916/peril-shock-trooper?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[teal cargo]

Mostly Bombers or trappers or snipers or bulwarks

[supple skiff]

corner chasing and bulwarks

[teal needle]

It's really only for if your vet is indisposed. If you want a crappy alternative if your vet brings bolter for elites and you don't have a second vet to deal with distant specials

[teal cargo]

Like Lasgun vets cant take out bulwarks fast

and Bolter vets have issues with far away targets

[lyric hatch]

@rose gazelle you really running quiettide and not harvest or the other one

[steep bridge]

Imagine if Deflector did what it's called, deflecting ranged shots back at whoever is shooting you

[nimble needle]

A wave that you can adjust the angle

[orchid nacelle]

YEAH

[rose gazelle]

It's interchangeable, however I feel quietitude is nice for passive regen even when outside of battle

[orchid nacelle]

scrolling the mousewheel while charging

rotates the wave

[teal cargo]

Voidstrike i hear is nice running yhe warp kills

[lyric hatch]

@rose gazelle fair but at that point you have ally auras

[teal cargo]

Quietude I like if non FS

Cos you can passive quell for a good chunk

[lyric hatch]

i enjoy harvest cause im built for passive charges

[teal needle]

Voidstrike is still the best staff for pugging by a long shot imo. If your team sucks surge and purg don't do enough.

If your team is good you can specialize better than vs but they just don't carry as well

[royal granite]

yeah surge relies on your teammates clearing hordes and actually finishing the stuff you stun

[nimble needle]

During hordes, yeah. You need 3 kills to equal the warp charge one

[meager eagle]

holy moly

[royal granite]

while void lets you kill all the trash in front of you and fucking leg it when shit goes tits up

[teal cargo]

Surge you just take like Antax axe and be pretty safe vs hordes

[rose gazelle]

I'm not opposed to changing it to Essence harvest, I think I will give it a shot

[lyric hatch]

i wish traumas alt fire just went to where your aiming

[teal cargo]

You killl things pretty slow but it is safe

and can clutch

vs specials

[royal granite]

it would be pretty neat if they changed trauma to just be a really meaty single target punch

[lyric hatch]

@meager eagle bad crit roll, trash

[nimble needle]

I wish trauma didn't do like 50% of listed damage lol

[lyric hatch]

@nimble needle like why doesnt it hit the whole aoe

[teal cargo]

its meant to do that much, listed dmg is UI bug according to Fat shark

[timber shale]

why are you running inner tranquility on a build that isn't going to care about peril?

[royal granite]

i think it's because there's an unlisted limb damage modifier, and trauma only hits legs

[nimble needle]

Swap brain burst and surge staff. I'll die on this hill.

[teal cargo]

No its apparently an UI bug

and current dmg is intended

[nimble needle]

No fat shark you're wrong on this one

[royal granite]

oh really

lol

lmao

[teal cargo]

😔

[nimble needle]

It's a smaller area than void it should do way more damage

[royal granite]

"no actually we meant for it to be bad"

[teal cargo]

Well it does generate a lot of peril

so got that going fpr ot

[nimble needle]

It would be cool if it like levitated the enemies for a moment

[teal cargo]

fastest way to get to high peril

[nimble needle]

An area CC that works on Ogryns

[teal needle]

Trauma literally needs to do 4x+ damage to be worth bringing lmao

[royal granite]

the only w the trauma staff has is that if you shove every non-special/elite in the psykanium into a big cluster, you can oneshot that cluster with trauma but not with void

[teal cargo]

Trauma enjoyers just use it for high peril gen

[supple skiff]

traume with the mark 5 axe with peril block and queitude is probably pretty jokes

[teal cargo]

so they can swap to melee

[rose gazelle]

Allows you to charge up your force sword and brain bursts a few extra times

[lyric hatch]

@teal needle and fixed alt fire aim

@rose gazelle just hit R

[rose gazelle]

The point is to not do that lmao

[teal cargo]

Trauma alsp has a lotta dmg falloff at the edges

feels nad

[nimble needle]

The epicenter is comparatively tiny

[rose gazelle]

You want to spend more time shooting then telling the voices in your head to calm tf down

[teal cargo]

You do knock over crushers and Bulwarks though

so got that going for it

[lyric hatch]

@rose gazelle you spend more time charging BB than just doing dmg

[teal needle]

With how crap the aoe radius is it doesn't compete with void strike. If you made the aoe big it would just compete with vs and not do anything different. Imo it would work fine if they just turned it into an elite deleter

[teal cargo]

Nah, Void requirws you to hit them

[hardy lily]

Main problem with trauma is the peril cost

[nimble needle]

Give it something special. Rending could be cool on it but it takes a blessing a lot atm

[teal cargo]

While Trauma could be for aoe spam and cc like Conflag was

[rose gazelle]

Using kinetic barrage it's a lot more bearable

[nimble needle]

Give trauma an aoe dot!

[teal cargo]

Void deals like no dmg if you hitting the floor

[nimble needle]

Little fire on the ground, applies soul blaze

[teal cargo]

Plus like a fully Trauma deald about as much as a void headshot to Crushers

[teal cargo]

But the Trauma cost way more peril and all

[lyric hatch]

@rose gazelle fair but you're still locked into just BB

[hardy lily]

If trauma peril costs wasn't so bad it'd be pretty in line

[teal cargo]

Yea but apparently tjis is intended

so trauma jus has awful dmg to peril

But Void also cost less peril than intended

[rose gazelle]

I only use BB after activating ability to take out elites and continue the warp charge train with the other perks. I never really use it outside of the cooldown

[boreal sun]

Swag on my mom

[hardy lily]

Trauma costs more because Fatshark wants Psykers be traumatized, not weaponize it

[nimble needle]

Wonder why. To take advantage of the +peril feat and blessings?

[teal cargo]

so that may be erfed eventually

Yea Trauma enjoyers use it to generate high peril

for the feats

[rose gazelle]

gunplay is still a major focus of the build, however you can still use brain burst for elite damage

[lyric hatch]

@rose gazelle i only use it for keeping stacks for blaze and snipers/gunners

[nimble needle]

Just one isn't it? And it increases force attack damage?

[timber shale]

BB w/ Kinetic barrage is honestly pretty good. Makes using BB on T4/T5 not terrible

[hardy lily]

If void costs less than intended then are they also going to nerf purgatus? Wtf is the point of psyker then

[teal cargo]

Nerf Purgatus?

Well they alreDy bugfixed surge Nd Purgatus

which kinda nerfed them

but a bugfix also buffed Purg

[hardy lily]

So all I'm hearing is play Psyker if you want Fatshark to hate you

[teal cargo]

And Surge thye changed the VFX which is pretty bad nerf too

[timber shale]

mhmm

[teal cargo]

"Improved" VFX but now you cant see anything while casting

[royal granite]

psyker isn't bad right now, just messy

[orchid nacelle]

i would love to appreciate the VFX ., , if could SEE THEM,,,,,

[teal cargo]

Yea basically Vet is the main character

[hardy lily]

Bad meaning no reason to bring over other classes

[teal cargo]

And everyone else is like an afterthought

[hardy lily]

No beneficial aura

[teal cargo]

Nah Zealots also got screwed

What?

[teal cargo]

We have extra elite dmg aura

and a CDR aura

[hardy lily]

And? Compare that to the others

[royal granite]

vet has the overwhelming advantage of 1: all their feats are decent choices and 2: their main mechanic is using guns good, and the game has tons of guns, most of which are good, especially on a vet

[timber shale]

thoughts on PsyAura instead of communion for your build? w/ aura you can have really high uptime on kinetic barrage

[round jay]

Still waiting for Fsword to do area damage…

[teal cargo]

Uhh Zealot aura is just minor toughness DR

10% elite dmg is not bad for your vet

[hardy lily]

Veteran: doesn't matter, best class. Zealot, -22% toughness reduction aura, Ogryn, +100% Toughness replenishment

[nimble needle]

Unlikely to happen

[teal cargo]

Isnt Vet 7.5%?

i mean Zealot

[teal needle]

Psyker auras are pretty invaluable honestly

[nimble needle]

Warp charge on force sword special would be cool

[hardy lily]

They have a feat to increase it by 15%

[jaunty moth]

flat 7% but other feat gives additional 15%

[dense hornet]

Ahhh! There was small new update.. I thought they fixed Psykers "quell" bug which caused delay...

I was trying to kill monstority alone for the penance with my brother and 2 friends, but well of course i failed... the quell delay really killed me instead... Killing monstority alone with brain burst is harder with delay quell.

I hope they fix this someday.

[teal cargo]

Oh thas additive?

Well Psykers have 15% CDR aura

[orchid nacelle]

Purgatus staff user when they see a single poxwalker:

https://tenor.com/view/the-unmatched-power-of-the-sun-sun-power-cop-gif-22776276

[teal cargo]

which situationally pretty good for your vet

[hardy lily]

CDR aura of THEY kill elites

Which is a tough ask

[timber shale]

I wish PsyAura was selfish instead of supportive. -15% PsyWrath CD whenever a teammate in coherence gets a kill would be 🤤

[rose gazelle]

Sorry Im in a game atm, I'll have to look back at the perks after this to see that change

[teal needle]

Bring a shield ogryn and have them aggro a daemomhost and corner tank it. Literally free

[teal cargo]

I mean killing elites is good

[nimble needle]

It'd go to level 30 because that SMOKES quickening

[round jay]

It would be incredibly broken xD

[timber shale]

true

[teal cargo]

Or you can gwt 15% dmg on bosses which is not bad with Cerebral Lacerations

[hardy lily]

Asking a Psyker to kill elites for CDR with a veteran in the party is like asking an Ogryn to get behind a small box for cover

[teal cargo]

I meam you'll naturally kill a few

Through Kinetiv Flayer

[timber shale]

cerebral lacerations 🤮

[hardy lily]

And who does that benefit? Psyker and Zealot? Ogryn doesn't even spam their charge enough

[opaque mason]

So Blast Radius on Void, yay or whatever?

[hardy lily]

So effectively 2 people

[teal cargo]

Yea benefits vet and zealot and psykers

[dense hornet]

ooh thanks for this tip.

[wanton sandal]

pretty yay imo, helps hit shooters in cover and ccs hordes

i think it affects the radius of the warpball

[south zephyr]

Pain

[teal needle]

In my experience waste high cover does literally nothing no matter how small you are

[wanton sandal]

literally happened to me bc a bomber ran away out of sight just as i got my 4th

[hardy lily]

Why would veterans care about Volley Fire CD if they can keep it up 24/7

[nimble needle]

I believe it's damage, charge time, warp resistance, then blast radius for priorities

[royal granite]

my off main is veteran, i literally only leave volley fire once everything worth shooting at is already dead

[teal cargo]

Oh well vet is a bit overtuned vs other classes

[royal granite]

and by that point the cooldown is refreshed anyway

[teal cargo]

But yea it do help in cases with no vet

[nimble needle]

CADIA STANDS

[wanton sandal]

not overtuned, other classes are just undertuned

its a PvE game, let everyone be strong

[royal granite]

i have never had a game with no vet

most games are 2 vets minimum

[teal cargo]

Well thag leads to power creep

[supple skiff]

ive yet to hit 30 on my vet, does the cooldown start once the effect wears off or once you start the effect

[teal needle]

I see this bad take so much lmao

[hardy lily]

Mix of column A, mix of column B...

[teal cargo]

and game getting easier which may be fine

[south zephyr]

After swapping to Purge w/ Deflector FS, having a very hard time using anything else on my Psyker... is that normal?

[royal granite]

cooldown goes while volley fire is up

it is ridiculous

[teal cargo]

I like Surge with Antax

FS ann

annoys me a lot

moveset is awkward

and terrible quelling

[hardy lily]

Ogryn could use a teensy minor toughness buff, fast animation swap on nades, and better ranged weapons, otherwise is fine

Psyker needs a god damn rework

[wanton sandal]

i'd replace the strikedown with another vanguard move and it'd be great

[royal granite]

i think ogryns should be allow to swap everything faster, their weapon swaps are very slow without anything to compensate for it

[teal cargo]

Psyker is fine power level wise not counting current bug

[teal needle]

Why nerf one thing when you can spend a thousand times the effort to buff every other thing and then buff enemies when the game is too easy to achieve the exact same effect

[royal granite]

if something takes as long to ready as a bolter, it should hit like a bolter

[teal cargo]

its just it doesnt do what class is supposed to do well

[royal granite]

especially if it also has no ammo

[timber shale]

looking forward to when we get a different mk of force sword

[hardy lily]

Like if you go Grenadier Gauntlet on Ogryn it's actually respectable. Probably should have more ammo capacity and mag size but a solid weapon. But the rest sucks

[teal cargo]

Like Vet steroids are too good and too easy to maintain

and we gotta jump through hoops for 12% dmg on warp charges

[royal granite]

if you look down the barrel of a grenade gauntlet you can see 5-6 grenades in a revolver-like cylinder

[south zephyr]

wanna know a secret? if you look down the barrel of a gg, there are 5 shots, but the mag only holds 4

[royal granite]

JINX

[hardy lily]

Not to mention a level 5 that lets you Regen toughness for literally just not being near enemies

How useful is that shit?

[teal cargo]

and invisibiligy feat for standing still

[hardy lily]

I'd take toughness regen at ranged for every character but Ogryn as a level 5

[teal cargo]

Quietude is strong though

[hardy lily]

Yeahhh not as good

[left basin]

siker buf wen

brane borst now

[teal cargo]

As is EWEW

[timber shale]

psyker does need a level 5 toughness feat that doesn't rely on using a staff or getting charges, for the gunkers out there

[teal cargo]

idk situationally Quietude is pretty good

[nimble needle]

Never. You will suffer.

[teal cargo]

like blocking to gain peril and quelling it off for toughness

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[hardy lily]

It's not as good as literally effortless Regen for not being near enemies but sure, it's okay

[teal cargo]

Sometimes you have to be near enemies

[hardy lily]

Then melee them for toughness

[left basin]

sometimes i dream about cheese

[teal cargo]

Ok but then psyker can do the same while benefitting from a feat

[steep bridge]

i snort grated mozzarella like cocaine

[royal granite]

proud of you

[teal cargo]

and with no enemies around you can just cast and gain toughness on demand

[hardy lily]

Or you could melee for toughness when close, and Regen passively when ranged, which is both instead of some situational thing

[timber shale]

the times when you need to regen toughness most are shootouts

[left basin]

i just want something stupid like high overheat unchained, ranged or not

[teal cargo]

While shooting your staff you do generate peril for toughness

And like you need to quell to keep firing sooo yea

[hardy lily]

But you don't Regen peril until you quell, does that quell + shoot cycle equal the same rate of toughness gain?

[royal granite]

i think toughness on staff kills is better when you're running voidstrike just because you can headshot groaners and poxwalkers consistently

[timber shale]

not with my excorcist voidstrike 😎

[teal cargo]

idk vets like 5%/s right?

[hardy lily]

Yep

[royal granite]

you fire voidstrike into a horde at head level and your toughness instantly refills

[hardy lily]

Yeah Voidstrike and Purgatus do have a benefit there

[teal cargo]

You can prob get equiv of that through quelling and firing cycle. A lot less dps than the Vet but you know, vet

[sick veldt]

Fatshark fix quell bug gorramit

[royal granite]

idk about purgatus, do burn kills count?

[teal cargo]

Surge and Trauma generate a lot of peril

[timber shale]

for warp absorption? I think you have to kill with the direct damage

[noble sluice]

it seems to be the general opinion that on diff 5 psyker is the weakest, should i just swap till it gets a buff?

[teal cargo]

Quelling from 100 peril gets you 50% toughness

[hardy lily]

You can be the worst class, just accept your lot

[round jay]

More like a support class sometimes

[royal granite]

yeah thought so, and you want to max burn rolls for purg staffs right? so you get less direct staff kills

[timber shale]

if you enjoy psyker, keep playing it. It IS the weakest, but it's still good enough to be viable.

[hardy lily]

I just temporarily retired because I'm annoyed with Brain Burst bug

[teal cargo]

Psyker just more like support class

[round jay]

You stun ennemies while your mates kill them xD

[teal cargo]

I dom think its that much weaker than Zealot or Ogryn

if at all

[noble sluice]

bb bug is ridiculous yea but they also need to give it better damage on higher difficulties

[timber shale]

yeah, I'd run essence harvest on a burn build

[teal cargo]

Vets clearly stronger but yea Vet

[hardy lily]

At least Psyker can do the job Shield Ogryn's pretend to and can block shots

[royal granite]

i don't think psyker is the weakest, i think we share the idiot crown with ogryn

[teal cargo]

BB at least gives you something to do vs gunner packs unlike Zealot

[rose gazelle]

PsyAura seems useful for more Kinetic Barrage uptime. I think this is one of those cases where you want to focus more on gunplay or using kinetic barrage. I personally use it more like an ultimate to spam it then return back to gunplay with chance of warp charge. I recently switched from Quietitude to Essence Harvest to try that out. Something I noticed with this change is I am forced to use kinetic barrage more often for survivability, but it's a huge burst in health immediately. So maybe the synergy of Essence Harvest + PsyAura + Kinetic Barrage may lead to sustainability for Damnation

[noble sluice]

ogryn feels awful in my experience so maybe he's similarly bad

[nimble needle]

Just run surge and be a support character that kills snipers

[hardy lily]

Nah Ogryn has some use, best horde killer, decent ranged weapon, worth for aura alone

[teal cargo]

Psyker has safe horde clear and good revives too

[hardy lily]

Technically Voidstrike staff is best horde killer but it also has garbage range at dealing with specials

[noble sluice]

so on damnation 5 should i go flame staff or lightning

[teal cargo]

and better blocks than Ogryn excepg for planted shield

[round jay]

I don’t see the good part with revive?

[royal granite]

i run aura, but that's more because i don't care about warp charges than because i care about the cooldown reduction. the cooldown is pretty short in the first place, and barrage uptime doesn't actually do a whole lot

[left basin]

deflection + FS

[teal cargo]

Well you can Deflection revive people

and cang be interrupted with bullets

[timber shale]

kinetic deflection. It lets you revive in the middle of a horde without taking a hit

[hardy lily]

Yes you can infiniblock with Psyker, it's the only thing Psyker can do better

[royal granite]

deflection and deflector, lets you block bullets and melee with your peril rather than stamina, it's great in a pinch

[round jay]

In my experience, they’re not stun long enough for you to revive safely 🤔

[noble sluice]

i havent gotten a single force sword yet that can block ranged 😦

[timber shale]

who said anything about stuns?

[teal cargo]

if you got enough peril you can revive safely

which isnt that hard

[timber shale]

you just ignore the enemies and revive, they can't punch through your peril block

[supple skiff]

force sword builds peril pretty quick and revives can be dicey, but a non force melee weapon is pants on head nuts

[timber shale]

not if you have a high warp resist on it

[teal cargo]

Non force sword melee cannot revive throuvh bullets but you laugh at any melee horde while ressing

[hardy lily]

If you're at 80% peril with a dueling sword mk 5 you could still infiniblock a horde, as long as it's not 5 crushers

[stark nebula]

I felt so naked trading my deflector FS for an axe but my god the melee tankyness....

[royal granite]

the only things that will stop a psyker dedicated to getting someone's ass off the floor are ogryns, gunners and bosses

[night marten]

man why is it so hard to find teammates for literally any mission

[supple skiff]

mine prob has shit warp resist then

getting deflector really is only half the battle

[timber shale]

yeah, i used to have a FS with shit warp resist

[royal granite]

oh and snipers

[rose gazelle]

I try not to do kinetic barrage all too much besides when seeing elites. Uptime for the ability does not mean too much for me as I enjoy more gunplay in the build. The default cooldown isn't too bad either

[timber shale]

then i got one with deflector and near max warp resist

[royal granite]

but you can brain burst the sniper first, especially if you make space with barrage

[timber shale]

difference is huge

[supple skiff]

phat fish give us crafitng already

[teal cargo]

Well specials will still mess you up

[hardy lily]

Force Swords passive Regen is like 1/8th a regular weapon

[teal cargo]

with any weapon

[hardy lily]

So not so good at infiniblock

[teal cargo]

like dog or trapper also stops you

[supple skiff]

let me build my sword from the ground up, fuck this rng business

[teal cargo]

Bomber makes you take a billlion dmg

[flat shadow]

there's a sword that uses peril right?

[round jay]

Yep

[teal cargo]

Yes force sword

[left basin]

yay or nay

[flat shadow]

im psyker lvl 30 and i havent seen it yet lol

[hardy lily]

If I could put blocking bullets on a dueling sword mk 5, the force sword literally would be disowned

[royal granite]

fair fair

[teal cargo]

yea

Only reasons to use FS is boss dps and Deflector

[round jay]

But the peril part is not that useful, the blocking part which you can spam against horde is quite funny

[teal cargo]

the moveset is super awk

[hardy lily]

God slaughterer is so good

[noble sluice]

i cant wait for crafting to be complete system in 9 months

[teal cargo]

and poor passive quell

[royal granite]

i was only thinking about direct damage sources interrupting your revive, rather than grenades and CC

[left basin]

then after two years they'll adopt a different system

[flat shadow]

i normally use the devil's claw sword

[round jay]

We’re getting about 20% of the craft system every 3 weeks

[timber shale]

imagine if every FS hit increased peril but dealt extra damage (below critical peril)

[teal cargo]

Try antax mk5 axe

Its so good vs hordes

[flat shadow]

i like parrying though

[teal cargo]

and ragers/maulers

ah Dueling sword is also nice

[flat shadow]

its hard to give up parrying maulers and big guys

doesn't parry overheads though

[left basin]

imagine if FS had a moveset that didn't look like it was a 40k weeb with a katana

[royal granite]

hey am i crazy or did they stealth buff the light FS charge special last patch? it feels much shorter than the heavy

[teal cargo]

I heard you can heavy while sprinting now?

idk

[left basin]

imagine if the FS power attack didn't look like you're sexually harassing your enemies for 3 seconds

[timber shale]

that would be disappointing, I want the heretics to call Human Resources on me

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pueblaenpaz-imagine-john-lennon-imagine-all-the-people-gif-14013947

[zinc phoenix]

They look like they’re having a good time to me 😂

[left basin]

psyker consensus on being sexual predators

brain burst deserves its damage

[mental rock]

slaanesh is that you?

[left basin]

warp fiends

[teal cargo]

cursed comments

[round jay]

"I don’t care they killed me, they harassed me sexually doing so"

[round jay]

Brain burst suddenly become "psychological sexual harassment"

[left basin]

brain burst suddenly and always was bad migraine

with sadistic overtones implied by it's users

[vagrant cedar]

someone was trynna kill me all those years

woahhh

[left basin]

*sadomasochistic, even

[lucid terrace]

Only a fool would say that.

[left basin]

zealot chat leak

[lucid terrace]

[harsh lance]

hmm for the t5 feat what would be better with purg staff 6 stacks or brain burst?

[left basin]

ayo

which map did you guys do for the

cock n' dix penance

[mental pecan]

the one with the train for me

when the mid map event is. i did go up on the 2nd floor for the interogator. trough the window i sniped 5 guners/shotguners with bb

[meager eagle]

the new throneside one

[near wyvern]

The map is not important. You want to have high intensity and the whole team on board. Otherwise they will kill the elites before you can.

[quiet plover]

How good is the flame staff? I like it a lot so far for crowd control but I kinda feel like I don't have a lot of options when it comes to handling ranged units other than brain burst. Makes me sometimes kind of wish I was using the charged ball staff instead to inflict some stagger and give myself some space.

[wanton sandal]

while this is easier i still want to clobber whoever thought of this on the head with my staff

[night marten]

it's good

[near wyvern]

It's my main build to go with combat knife but yes dealing with ranged takes time since all you have is BB if your vet has their head in their arse.

[wanton sandal]

or if matchmaking is kind enough to match you up with 2 ogryn and a flamer zealot

[quiet plover]

Weirdly I also have this fixation on purely using the force sword as well. I feel like though there's just generally better options available.

[regal basin]

hey if theres a slabgyrn at least you have cover while you BB the ranged

love fire, hate not having the range of voidstrike/surge

[near wyvern]

If the ogryn has a shield it's a wombo combo. You just glue yourself to their arse and you have Thomas the tank engine crawling through Damnation with ease.

[wanton sandal]

i interchange between the fs and the chainsword depending on what i feel like

[regal basin]

You get Thomas the tank engine from skyrim breathing white fire as he goes

[quiet plover]

I do sometimes feel like the on demand brain burst melee force sword gives isn't enough at times but it does still help a lot with venting peril and does decent damage

[random wolf]

While the Antax Mk V is nice

But blocking ranged attacks and the special on the Force Sword is real nice.

[near wyvern]

I like to run the combat blade since it has so good dodges & movement speed and allows me to auto quell fast while repositioning

[quiet plover]

I might try that and the combat knife out, I haven't really used either since I reached 15 with Psyker

[near wyvern]

The only thing combat blade struggles with is DPS on mutants. It's horrible. Haymaker and kinetic flayer help a bit but it's RNG based. You can one shot them, it can take 10 hits to kill them.

[random wolf]

Be me use Recon Lasgun

[regal basin]

The nice thing about having a weapon weakness on specific specials for us is there is always BB

[random wolf]

Fire a burst on a Reaper

And BB procs and its dead

[regal basin]

its not ideal for mutants but its not awful either

[random wolf]

10/10

[quiet plover]

Btw, how do you get Malleus Monstronum? If Monstrocities are bosses, then how are you supposed to wipe out 90 percent of their HP with brain blast?

[near wyvern]

And BTW if you didn't know. Ogryns and Bulwarks count as human sized for haymaker so you have a chance to instantly gib them. Also, Haymaker can proc through bulwark shield.

[random wolf]

Get an Ogryn friend to block with Slab Shield

And go have lunch

Daemonhosts never swap targets

[lime gorge]

I got mine on a lights out with a big boi tanking demon

[quiet plover]

Oh yeah, I guess Daemonhost would count for that

[regal basin]

you get a slabshield ogryn and a demonhost, as long as the group is on board with the plan the other members just cover the pair of you while you take as long as needed spamming only BB

[lime gorge]

But had to hop lobbies until I found one with a shield guy on the team heh

[regal basin]

lights out is reccomended for a fast garunteed host

[quiet plover]

I guess it just takes like 4 mintues or something?

[steel flame]

You can just do it on 1 and be done in under 2

[lime gorge]

Says heresy

[drowsy fog]

It takes long enough that the game will spawn a horde to tell you to hurry up so the other 2 folks should be protecting you while you do it

[quiet plover]

But it says it has to be done on Heresy or higher

[regal basin]

if you have a friend that plays ogyrn get them to help

[steel flame]

Oh yeah

Cri

[regal basin]

another psyker can also do the tanking

with the right loadout

[near wyvern]

You get 3 friends or beg the team to get it.

The options are:

• shield oggyn tanking s Daemonhost (easiest)

• soloing beast of nurgle cheesing with a ladder (second easiest, no need of assistance but slow AF)

• a psyker tankig Daemonhost with non-force melee and kinetic deflector (they gotta know their dodge game and have space go dodge around)

[regal basin]

they really dont need to know their dodge game for it

[orchid nacelle]

Should I cop this

[remote tusk]

I ran in circles screaming while a plague ogryn chased me and the team cheered from a distance

[regal basin]

it helps but you only need to land around every 5th dodge to keep up with the hosts attacks

[drowsy fog]

For weekly currency? No

[near wyvern]

Given how much crap Melk sells, if you find it useful go for it

It's quite cheap after all

[left basin]

DO BRAIN LACERATIONS AFFECT BB?

[remote tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[near wyvern]

People say they do, I haven't tested it but go to meat grinder and fit out?

[simple junco]

Yes, but it shouldn't

[regal basin]

please do not cut your brain, thats how the demons get in

[drowsy fog]

No cerebral lacerations boosts NON WARP damage the brain bursted target takes

[sonic aspen]

live footage of this chat talking about builds

[drowsy fog]

Wait it does work???? Cmon fatshark follow your own rules

[near wyvern]

Can't we all just agree that gun Psykers are the best and Trauma is the most effective staff there is?

[royal granite]

imo just solo killing/dodge tanking as plague ogryn is also pretty easy

[simple junco]

Surge vs void users arguing which is better in T3

[left basin]

can we agree that buf siker

[remote tusk]

Knife laspistol build best psyker

[supple skiff]

get out of here tzeentch

[regal basin]

just get a beast of nurgle, climb inside to be closer to the brain then burst it from there

[near wyvern]

I live it how people shit on purge when they play on malice

Well duh, purge absolutely needs shit to eat or it doesn't work

[violet yoke]

if u come from vermin tide and u have spend hndereds of hrs with that staff then yes i love it over the others

[regal basin]

Don't talk to me or my thousand sons ever again

[supple skiff]

running a gun as psykr is like cooking a steak well done and putting ketchup on it

sure you can, but good god why

[high agate]

I really feel like ObeseTuna thought, "Damn we should really make a class focused on crowd control even though tanking/CC in our games are notoriously useless, but ALSO make the class do dogshit damage'
Lo and behold psyker

[remote fox]

this worth snagging?

[near gorge]

why everyone bashing psyker? I think you got to be playing it wrong

[random wolf]

Great to start with.

[drowsy fog]

Only if it's an upgrade compared to what you have

[regal basin]

looks like a decent base to build off, and its not expensive go for it

[sonic aspen]

You gotta put metal rods in your head and scream "WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOM" to play psyker correctly when will people learn

[near wyvern]

Nope. You want 350+ and then if you don't roll transfer peril on it it goes to the bin pile

[hardy lily]

Ehh, comparing psyker to steaks is a bit much. Playing psyker without staff is like eating a mcdouble without cheese

[high agate]

Id rather play a dreg gunner than psyker. At least then I do damage and have unlimited ammo

[near gorge]

best build, with purgatus staff, BB is fine heresy+, surge staff seems like a joke to me

[simple junco]

I'd compare it to putting ketchup on a hotdog

[noble sluice]

playing psyker without sstaffs is like playin a lvl 0 sienna

[simple junco]

It's familiar, but it's not really capitalizing on what makes it good

[violet yoke]

but but las guns......

[sonic aspen]

it's like putting pepsi in a coca cola glass

[random wolf]

People not appreciating the real fast passive quelling

Smh

Both are fine.

[hardy lily]

What the point of quelling if you have nothing to spend peril on

[random wolf]

Popping heads. Blocking with FS.

[drowsy fog]

Both my weapons are force I don't get fast passive quell 🙂

[hardy lily]

So a gimp veteran with less toughness but infinite block, gotcha

[drowsy fog]

That's OK my purgs quell speed is max

[random wolf]

If a Gimp Vet could auto-BB sure

[near wyvern]

Dude. You are missing so much without kinetic deflection. That thing is so broken.

And why you go with 10% toughness on warp kill? You don't need your toughness when you are mowing down stuff, you need it when things are going bad.

Take essence harvest so when you get jumped on by they ranged squad while your veteran is polishing their sights you can actually deal with the situation and regain toughness when you need it the most.

[teal needle]

Tbh they should probably make force and non force weapons vent at the same speed

[simple junco]

Don't forget the headpop crit. But overall yeah.

[teal needle]

After fixing psykers damage problems anyways

[random wolf]

It makes sense that the quelling is slower if you're passively still channeling some into the force weapon on the ready though

[remote fox]

Psykinetics aura... Does this grant 15% CD to me when I kill an elite and spreads to allies in range OR does it apply to everyone in range of ME when anyone kills an elite?

[drowsy fog]

Also psychic communion is great especially on purg

[near wyvern]

Oh no. If that would happen Psykers would be tankier than shield ogryns.

[random wolf]

Everyone

It's great.

[teal needle]

I'm implying fixing it in the other direction

[remote fox]

👀

[hardy lily]

Psykers are already tankier than shield Ogryns lol

[random wolf]

I use it with the 2nd level 30 perk.

Lots of headpops

[simple junco]

Ehhh... Not exactly. You still need to dodge with psyker

Ogryns can literally stand there

[ebon jolt]

I think inner tranquility is the only feat that’s the same between your and my Purg build 😅

[timber shale]

same speed, but with a longer delay before quelling starts for the FS. That way it doesn't screw over +dmg/peril builds

[hardy lily]

Ogryns can stand facing one direction, psykers with dueling sword mk v can tank a damnation Daemonhost with minimal movement

[simple junco]

No movement vs movement is exactly why ogryns are tankier lol

[remote tusk]

What's special about the mk5 sword?

[hardy lily]

Uhh but Ogryns don't block from all directions

[near wyvern]

You have unlimited dodges tho with deflector FS

[fierce owl]

is the Unstable Power blessing good on blaze force sword?

[hardy lily]

What good is reviving with a shield do if you can infiniblock with psyker or be invul in the center of a horde

[near gorge]

I would if I had the deflector thing on the sword, I don't, and I don't find myself in a situation where it would be useful during melee combat very often. For the other, I disagree but I could try, I typically don't have to wait for the veteran, or me + whoever will solve that, it seems like a reasonable sustain

[near gorge]

share please

[simple junco]

Neither do you lol. You're more mobile because you have to be

[ebon jolt]

Everyone? I thought the CDR only effected the person who killed the elite.

[hardy lily]

Dueling Sword mk V can tank a full horde with 3 ragers swinging while just blocking infinitely

[ebon jolt]

1 or 3/2/1/1/1/2

[woven crow]

Deflector I just love for being able to revive whenever shit goes bad on public games

[steel flame]

I wanna know how that blessing even works. Is it 5% every 20 peril or something else

[simple junco]

I agree, and it's great. In terms of tankiness, ogryns win. Survivability is another thing entirely.

[hardy lily]

Ogryns can't do that shit

[near wyvern]

You don't need deflector. I use combat knife.

Regular melee weapons are even tankier on melee since they auto quell faster. Peril on block does not interrupt auto quelling.

Just LOS ranged and you can receive anyone unless they are being pounded by a crusher

[woven crow]

It's pretty much infinite block I mean it's an insanely good perk

[steel flame]

On flame staff with limited range, deflector is still arguably best melee

[hardy lily]

You can probably rez against a couple crushers with mk V, just not 3+

[meager eagle]

only 2 left 🫡

[remote tusk]

How did you do pick n mix?

[near wyvern]

Either you go deflector or you go duelling sword / combat blade for the mobility

[hardy lily]

When dash tech existed, dash tech dueling sword was your ranged 🙃

[meager eagle]

5 shotgunners spawned on high intensity throne side

[hardy lily]

I honestly hate this game about 10% more without dash tech

[near wyvern]

The goggles gang is waiting for you, sibling

[remote fox]

also got this

[meager eagle]

cannot fuckin wait

[mossy garnet]

is the quell bug fixed?

[near wyvern]

How TF do you hit heads with mk2?

I find it unbelievably unreliable

[near wyvern]

No

[near gorge]

I find Kinetic flayer extremely reliable with purgatus, and crap with any other staff, that said, I'd always prefer to take Psykenetic's Aura. And that's how I pop Kinetic Barrage all the time.

My whole point is that, I don't think Psyker is weak, I don't understand where the hate is coming from, I wish there was a rework, for sure (to have a viable gun build right? since 95% of the shop are guns), and I very actively use BB on demand with or without Barrage. But the bottom of the barrel? please no.

[mossy garnet]

sadness. thank you

[near wyvern]

But you don't need to quell to get pick n mix

You use 1 BB then ult (kinetic barrage) and you can safely cast 4 more

[remote fox]

I am the shortest you can go so all my swings are head level lol but I look hella stupid

[teal needle]

Flayer seems to work well enough on voidstrike and surge for me 🤷

[leaden pier]

hab dreyko is the only investigation mission right?

[steel flame]

The people calling psyker weak are not used to nuance or resource management or snowballing. They want big number when gun go pop. And psyker just isn't that

[near wyvern]

Damn. I am like on the top 10-15% tallest range.

Finding heads with kinfe is easy but mk2 axe always results in body shots even though the visual seems to hit the head

I have also tried to look as up as I can but always a body shot...

[burnt python]

mk 2 axe is bugged

[near wyvern]

Mk5 axe works well and all, same for the tactical axe

[burnt python]

or at least acknowledged on the forum

[remote fox]

heavy or reg?

[burnt python]

it has body shot priority so if you hit heady & body it regs body

[teal needle]

Psykers fun but rn there's a pretty vast power / usefulness differential between a good veteran and a good anything else

[night marten]

you don't have to choose between aura, flayer, or barrage? and how is flayer good with purge specifically when purge's damage isn't precise at all, often resulting in flayer proccing on poxwalkers?

[dense cloud]

dam what is this i got +6 max stam and im only get 2 stam bars ojn my dueling sowrd

[near wyvern]

Mk5 axe always hits head, mk2 axe never finds it even if the visuals clearly go through the head

[steel flame]

Veteran is broken atm no amount of word play can change that rn

[timber shale]

No mate, psyker is clearly weaker than zealot and WAY weaker than vet. Still viable, but weaker.

[grave bobcat]

Well every class is weaker than Vet 🥲

[ebon jolt]

I use BB as well. I think flayer, aura and barrage are all great. I use them with almost every other staff. I just really like how much AB with 6 warp charges changes the Psyker’s ability. You can kill basically all mobs on your entire screen and then get most of your stacks back when they die.

[teal needle]

The power difference between psyker zealot and ogryn doesn't feel that bad to me. Vet is in a whole nother league though

[near gorge]

All those are in different columns. And that's fine, that's how I keep warp charges reliably, I prefer it kills whatever in one shot, hitting anything with purgatus staff is basically a guaranteed flayer proc

[burnt python]

zealot is better than vet in damnation imo

[night marten]

yea that's what I'm saying, no choice required. do you just like keeping charges up for resistance/damage passive?

[drowsy fog]

A zealot in damnation is probably just a better player than a vet in damnation

[timber shale]

Yeah. Ogryn/zealot have the benefit of not specializing in the same thing as the vet though. Psyker fills the same niche as vet, but worse.

[burnt python]

nah, i have played both - zealot is the best at not dying which is the most important part of the game

[grave bobcat]

Wanna see a PING moment

lmao

[drowsy fog]

Zealots takes holy revenant and is like "I got better"

[high agate]

spot on

[leaden pier]

holy revenant saved my life once as zealot

[near gorge]

yea given the choices, I'm ok with that, feels consistent

[grave bobcat]

"Oh look stars"

[leaden pier]

and i was trying for the penance

[steel flame]

No zealot in darktide will ever surpass daddy saltzpyre though

[burnt python]

lol you encounter more bugs in this game every day than i have seen the whole time ive been playin

apparently high ping really breaks shit

[grave bobcat]

Ping diff

[crisp yacht]

hmmm almost worth?

damage kinda low

but those blessings

[drowsy fog]

Which class has the easiest penances cuz I feel like it's ogryn

[high agate]

Veteran if you know how to play the game. The only difficult one is 100% accuracy and you can just cheese it

[fossil snow]

where is the barter menu?

oops wc

[half iron]

p-playing the game?😳😳😳

[drowsy fog]

Oh look a plague Boi press F
Oh look an eye press G
Charge really far? I got a feat for it
I hear people complain about the 6 ogryn one and that's largely an rng complaint to find that many in a line

[scarlet geyser]

I played Zealot and complete all penances almost not trying to do so

[drowsy fog]

Penances are so dumb. You can get most of them for other classes organically but psykers the one you gotta set out to do or coordinate a team for

[high agate]

Yeah Zealot and Vet are well designed, mostly reliant on skill.
Ogryn is reliant on RNG and Psyker is reliant on your team being retarded

[magic chasm]

You's think bein an Ogryn is easy? On these rashuns?

[hardy socket]

nah every penance is either incredibly easy or just the worst, most specific chore ever

[ebon jolt]

I'm so tempted even though the base stats are bad...

[half iron]

psyker penances are the tasks ever

[noble sluice]

with the current bb bug its impossible to do one of the penances i think

[grave bobcat]

Truly

[noble sluice]

yea pick n mix is impossible rn

[grave bobcat]

The penances of the game

[hardy socket]

"do 15 missions" and "throw a grenade through a 5 meter court and onto a tin can on the 23rd of december at 11:59 pm"

[meager eagle]

bro vanished

[half iron]

“brain burst this specific poxwalker in the chasm terminus strike at 3am utc

[hardy socket]

i honestly would prefer "kill 50 daemon hosts" to the penance that makes you kill 3 elites at the same time with one f

[sharp ibex]

Got the hardest penance of all to do

Simply play the game

[tawny steppe]

woohoo, got the mk3 hood

[hardy socket]

oh that looks cool