psyker-class

[runic hornet]

if there was a horde he would be downed by it

[meager plinth]

tell him to bash when in melee range

[runic hornet]

I paid some attention to him and realized he literally never pulled out his melee weapon

[meager plinth]

damn

[idle bay]

And you mostly don't need to look back for backstabing poxwalkers on low intencity - only for ranged squads 🙂

[feral crater]

Getting level 30 too easy

[runic hornet]

he had an mg12 so

[feral crater]

You never have to go over malice

[jaunty atlas]

i think everthing is blown out of proportion because psyker is quite the carton canon. when you play ogryn, this is not really a problem. be more ogryn.

[valid lake]

i could believe it but so sad vets have PS hordes shouldnt be a issue

[feral crater]

Give me unchained psyker. 😄 I be more ogryn than ogryn

[vale terrace]

What's machine pistol like, I've heard its good before

[runic hornet]

lol no

it's better than some of the autogun models

but it's not GOOD good

[sick mulch]

You guys use guns?

[vale terrace]

Cant find where I saw it either

must be thinking of something else

[meager plinth]

its a decent gun, but it sacrifices mobility for both constant killing power and ammo economy

[feral crater]

Lasguns are better for pure dps than some staves, so there are people that swear by them. But CC too valuable imho

[vale terrace]

Autoguns are just hot shit arent they

[meager plinth]

especially the Kantrael MgXII is gud

the headhunters are shit, infantry are good

[sick mulch]

Cool > dps

[weak galleon]

"Game, please, I want to craft a Warp Nexus Purgatus"
"Game: Sure"

[sick mulch]

Mmmmm lightning

[meager plinth]

the braced autoguns are where its at mostly

[weak galleon]

i don't know if it'd be better if I didnt craft warp nexus at all, both are level 1 lol

[meager plinth]

but psykers dont have them

[valid lake]

what the trick with using surge staff(ignoring the seizures) do you charge it or just spam un charged shots ?

[jaunty atlas]

agripinaa 1 is really the all rounder imho

[idle bay]

I spam uncharged shots resulting in 7-9 zzzaps until i need to quell

[feral crater]

spam uncharged UNLESS you hitting mutant or ogryn enemies I think

You need a bit more oomph to stun those

[idle bay]

Uncharges stuns them as well to set them for a team or for an axe head-chop

[feral crater]

You sure? My uncharged shots often don't stun em far as I noticed

Especially when they are secondary targets (multiple big boys)

[idle bay]

I'm sure, I almost never use a full charges zzap. Only scenario when i do - is when i'm waiting the pox hound of pox buster to show up

[feral crater]

Maybe I'm mistaken then. Will test it out later

[idle bay]

Perry much touching the enemy with a zap - stuns them

[eager moat]

what is the god roll flame staff i need foir damnation

[idle bay]

I found an interesting tiny thing - shooting LMB blast from Staff while switching the weapon to melee may result in you shooting that blast while holding melee weapon in hands 🙂

[pine iris]

There's a hood sniffer on the Mourningstar

[idle bay]

His name is Joe i think 🙂

[pine iris]

Hey do you want go down to the ship laundromat? that hood is getting pretty aromatic

[meager plinth]

shoutout to the pretty high number of players named Claire

[pine iris]

In the grim dark future, the formula for Ogryn antiperspirant has been forgotten

zealot scalp.... interesting

[leaden pier]

what did sibling mean by this?

[cyan notch]

what are you doing step sibling

[feral crater]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-grey-knights-gif-25209492

kill the tainted psyker before it is too late!

[bright raft]

what even

[idle bay]

He is waiting for step-sibling to get stuck in hood-washing machine 🙂

[primal aurora]

Yay

[leaden pier]

lookin pretty dapper

[eager moat]

what is the god roll flame staff i need foir damnation

[cold oasis]

it's spam unless you're hitting Scab, then it's like 50-75% charge so you can oneshot them

[primal aurora]

no idea, my best purge staff is this, but I prefer to run with Void

[ebon jolt]

Is 75% burn 14 or 15 max stacks?

[runic hornet]

max burn stat
max cloud radius stat
Warp resistance and quell speed can be dumped but it's nice to have them higher
damage can be dumped, straight up
Most perks are irrelevant
Blessings are completely irrelevant

[ebon jolt]

I know 79% is 15.

[runic hornet]

There you go. Damnation ready staff.

You don't need a godroll to be ready for damnation, you need a group who won't overpull and then blame each other first.

[primal aurora]

I was told crit chance is preem since it gives double stacks

[west fjord]

Finally something good to work with

[light quail]

holy shit heresy loves its specials

[runic hornet]

realistically anything that needs to build up stacks, the crits won't make a meaningful difference in TTK

you're hsaving off a couple % at best.

[ebon jolt]

Purg: Burn -> Cloud Radius -> Damage -> Warp Resistance -> Quell w/ 5% crit chance and Warp Nexus (and Surge if that’s possible). Personal opinion.

[runic hornet]

I don't like rating quellspeed as a bottom stat because it IS useful if you end up in a situation where "I have literally no choice but to spam BBs" comes up.

only staff that can dump it 100% of the time is voidstrke

[sick mulch]

What situation can you only spam bbs

[primal aurora]

a lot with purge staff

[sick mulch]

Genuine question bc idk when I'm supposed to other than stack upkeep

[primal aurora]

sniping ranged enemies on a distant platform

[runic hornet]

when your team is hanging out before a drop

but pulling the enemy ranged

because if you dropped into the enemy ranged you would instantly fucking die with no cover

[raw breach]

Finally finished up all the steam achieves. 1040 Penance points or whatever they're called down and around 300 more to go to finish all the penances lol

[runic hornet]

and usually you shouldn't bother with "stack upkeep". In any serious fight with the purgatus build you should basically jump to 4 stacks instantly

without throwing a single BB

[sick mulch]

That's what I usually do. Pop a sniper or whatever looks aggravating to fight

[runic hornet]

reminder to not overpull with BB because you're bored

[raw breach]

Go figure RNG of map rotation was the hardest challenge and the last one I was able to complete

[primal aurora]

6 warp charges is important for purge focused build?

[runic hornet]

a bad pull on those multi-floor platforms can pull two or more full "squads" down to you

[runic hornet]

no, the extra damage % is mostly irrelevant

most people take 5-1 toughness on warpcharge

[primal aurora]

I meant for the F ability with ascendend

[ebon jolt]

I think people usually take it for extra soulburn on AB rather than damage.

[runic hornet]

and take 25-3 for more RNG bbs that give more extra warp charges

[ebon jolt]

Or peril resist.

[runic hornet]

you take 30-2 because it gives you more warpcharges from targets that happen to die to your flame dots

which feeds your 5-1 talent more

even then

[feral crater]

I heard 5-2 is better coz 5-1 is too slow lol

[runic hornet]

some people argue that 30-3 is always correct for when you have to spam BBs as your only role in helping pull ranged

[feral crater]

Toughness breaks so easy

[runic hornet]

and i honestly lean that way too

[runic hornet]

wait, isn't 5-1 warp charge toughness?

[feral crater]

yeah

over 5s

[runic hornet]

5-1 is too slow except on purgatus with 30-2

[feral crater]

5-2 is warp kill toughness

[runic hornet]

5-2 is almost always shit

[feral crater]

Nah, getting bursts of toughness is better than the slow ass bleed income

[runic hornet]

you don't kill nearly enough to make it consistneetly better than 5-1 with the warpcharge-acquisition focused build

or 5-3 quelling

[feral crater]

It's too slow!

XD

Feels so weaksauce

[runic hornet]

5-1 is a ton of toughness from... 15-1...? alone

it should be up almost 100% of the time in any serious istuation

if you're pulling ranged, just BB some enemy riflemen

and it's also now permanently up as long as you're BBing

[primal aurora]

by math 5-1 is way weaker than 5-2, unless your team kills waaay more fodder than you (which means something wrong with your fire psyker)

personally I still stay in 5-3 camp

[runic hornet]

here's the thing: if you are getting kills actively, you probably don't need the toughness

it's when you are moving from A to B during a fight and a shotgunner whacks you over the head that you need to get some more toughness while scrambling back to cover

it's the reason almost all zealots use their own "regen over time" talent over "boost toughness on kill talent"

the buff is "slower" than if you're hogging all the kills but it's also ticking when you're sliding all over the place to avoid the shotgunner that just blindsided you

so now, instead of having ~150 toughness against that shotgunner, you effectively get ~200 because 30% of it regenned while you were evading

5-3 also isn't great for purgatus to begin with. You simply don't generate THAT much perils compared to surge or voidstrike

it's a very slow burn (heh) upward

[lethal plover]

5-1 for warp charge builds. good when you're melee-ing during horde. can manually BB to trigger in more lax situations
5-3 for peril builds (such as trauma). also good when you will be in the backline and generating peril a lot (when your team is good).

[runic hornet]

you have to BB spam to build perils fast and at that point, 5-1 is probably better on the BBs alone, much less the rest of your warp charge income

[simple junco]

Doesn't 5-2 only proc on the Purgatus staff's direct damage?

[runic hornet]

I legitimately am not sure, on account of me not having any serious use with it

I tried a few times with voidstrike which is arguably the stick that gets the most kills easiest

and it was bad

for the reasons I mentioned

[grizzled nexus]

yes it only works on purgatus direct dmg so its useless there

[runic juniper]

finally got my pick and mix. 4 gunners at the start of a mission alone standing in a square. all i had to do was wait for a special to spawn

[undone relic]

thats disappointing really... i had heard that the soulburn 'technically counts' as a warp attack so it would work :/

[placid glen]

My beloved, is this worth it ?

[simple junco]

Yeahhh, soulblaze is its own thing entirely

[runic hornet]

it's okay
64% blast radius is oof, blast radius scales hard and you want it at 80 if possible
perks are meh
But it has transfer peril blessing

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/kills-with-the-purgatus-staff-dont-count-for-warp-absorbtion/63756

[runic hornet]

i would not spend melkcoin on it

[scarlet geyser]

Voidstrike can hit weak spots with aoe?

[lethal plover]

Is this bug fixed already

[runic hornet]

no but the projectile itself can

[placid glen]

i hope it can hit with AoE

[analog juniper]

with the middle of the orb, yeah

[frank moat]

Yea imo not a terrible staff but for almost 3k Melkbucks I wouldn’t

[runic hornet]

the orb itself penetrates targets and deals weakpoint damage

[placid glen]

ah well

[runic hornet]

it's pretty dank

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-strike-gif-11504736

[analog juniper]

exactly, lol
Head bowling

[placid glen]

So i give Sire Melk my money, yes

[boreal zinc]

Anyone bought this helmet cosmetic yet? curious if it hides the hair

[simple junco]

From what I've seen, void couples pretty good if you have a bolter vet that doesn't shoot ranged trash all that often

[runic hornet]

only if you're desperate and do not have any other usable voidstrikes

that voidstrike is merely usable and not "amazing"

on account of bad blast radius

[tranquil fiber]

the likely hood of finding anything better with this RNG is slim so if you don't have a good void I would get this if not for blessing transferance later.
It's a good void staff to have until the lottery happens.

[runic hornet]

max blast radius is really important

[summer prairie]

it's good, worth it

if you really like voidstrike

[sour bison]

emperor's gift

[runic hornet]

yeah like if you've been using a scuffed voidstrike fro a while and want to upgrade, get it
if you don't know if you like voidstrike yet I would not get it and hold out for a more affordable one

[placid glen]

nope, this is my best

[runic hornet]

that thing is not such a godroll that is worth being out of melkcoin for a week for

[summer prairie]

godrolls mostly only matter because people like high numbers

[tranquil fiber]

you need the upgrade.

[placid glen]

yes :D

[runic hornet]

39% blast radius is more oof but... honestly blast radius is the only stat you're upgrading

that blast radius upgrade is not worth the melkcoin

keep your staff.

if the melk staff had a good perk on it it'd be worth it maybe

but it has 2 meh perks

[summer prairie]

melk doesn't have amazing stuff frequently at all, you aren't on average going to find something better in a week

and you can roll one of the perks anyway

[placid glen]

well, iam using a very good flamethrower staff, but i dont had any good voidstaff, so this way my best option in store.
gues i keep my melk coins first, tahnks for the blast radius tipp !

[runic hornet]

if it was an 80% blast radius staff maybe

but 64, no

64 no perks

other stats not significantly higher

[onyx sentinel]

Talking about voidstrike, what’s the go-to charge level against a horde with mixed types of head armors? Atm I always go for half charge unless it’s purely poxwalkers

[analog juniper]

blessings are meh, but this VS is nice

[runic hornet]

I always do full charge voidstrike for as long as I have perils

when perils is getting high, spam min charge

you will often go positive

[cyan notch]

its peril bro

[placid glen]

a good hord staff, from waht i can tell

[cyan notch]

nobody says perils

thats like saying i have moneys

[runic hornet]

the phrase will always and forever be "perils of the warp" to me

so I call it perils

[cyan notch]

so why dont they call it critical perils then

[runic hornet]

Yes I know you say "you're in peril" not "you're in perils"

[cyan notch]

6% perils resistance

quell 4% of your perils

[runic hornet]

but I played enough 40K that it will always be "perils of the warp" and any mention of warp will mean it should be "perils" alongside it

[cyan notch]

every mention of peril as a stat not a term is singular

[analog juniper]

Peril

[patent hatch]

worth going to legendary?

[analog juniper]

perils is weird

[analog juniper]

needs more burn

[patent hatch]

true

[lyric hatch]

burn is dmg

[summer phoenix]

How did you guys manage to do malleus monstronomus ?

[undone relic]

ive heard 'peril' referred to as 'overcharge' in alot of yt vids

[runic hornet]

no, needs to dump damage and have better burn

[lyric hatch]

@summer phoenix homies

[simple junco]

I can accept perils, but overcharge is too much

[patent hatch]

what is damage then

lol

[analog juniper]

get a shield ogryn to tank a daemonhost while you spam BB and BB ult

[lyric hatch]

@patent hatch inital dmg

[onyx sentinel]

I still have a shit staff so I feel like I’m not doing enough horde stagger if I do full charges. Does it get any better later on with the charge rate stat?

[patent hatch]

Oh lol

[summer phoenix]

Yeah right, i've no friends playing this game :/

[onyx sentinel]

Or maybe I’m overestimating the time saved by not full charging

[undone relic]

was odd, but i got the idea in the end xD

[simple junco]

I think it's your burn tick rate

[analog juniper]

burn is DoT stack speed and max stacks

[runic hornet]

yes, voidstirke benefits hugely from 80% charge rate too

[patent hatch]

I just caved and upgraded this one instead

[cyan notch]

500 instances of peril being used when referred as a stat and one singular term called perils

[runic hornet]

if you're having trouble with horde stagger, it can be worth it to aim at the floor instead of at heads

that way you guarantee a final explosion

[onyx sentinel]

I like the pop sound though

[simple junco]

This is getting very nitpicky at this point lol. You should be upset that people are calling it "overcharge"

[unreal comet]

So I've discovered something to do with the voidstrike staff (the big ol' bowling ball one)
r-cancelling the shots

hold right click, spam left mouse button and R

[cyan notch]

nah thats understandable

[runic hornet]

perils of the warp

[unreal comet]

and you fire uncharged altfire balls at around triple the normal speed

absolutely obliterated unarmored hordes

[simple junco]

And perils of the warp isn't? lol

[cyan notch]

that isnt counting individual perils

[runic hornet]

I'm surprised "heat" hasn't come up yet

[cyan notch]

there is no such thing as 1 perl

[simple junco]

Actually, same

[cyan notch]

thats why they give % numbers

[undone relic]

might be for V2 formers i suppose...
friend of mine just calls it the 'boom gauge' xD

[cyan notch]

u dont go oh i have 23 perils

[simple junco]

What about 2 perils, such as gaining multiple

[cyan notch]

56 perils

[undone relic]

actually heard this one this morning xD

[cyan notch]

do u call it overcharge or overcharges

hi guys im at 87 overcharges

[simple junco]

I'm gonna call it heats now

[bleak sonnet]

its peril not perils

simple english

[frank moat]

why are you nerds still bickering about this

[runic hornet]

that X% is a measure of my "perils of the warp" feature

[frank moat]

everyone knows it’s called Psyker Rage

[runic hornet]

57% perils

[undone relic]

i will freely refer to it how ever my scatterbrained panic will allow whist fending off the hordes xD

[simple junco]

I'm down to say whatever tbh

[cyan notch]

well plasma gun has heat(s)

[simple junco]

I shall now refer to my psyker as a walking plasma gun

[unreal comet]

i have 57 oopsies

[simple junco]

98% uh-ohs

[cyan notch]

57 or 57%

[unreal comet]

Uhhh

I I I I II I I I II I - - -

this many.

[runic hornet]

oh no not the bars memes again

[undone relic]

i like uh-ohs... tend to say that alot juuuust before the boom lol

[unreal comet]

58 oopsies

[simple junco]

Press F to fix uh-ohs

[cyan notch]

that is a lot of downs

[unreal comet]

grim corruption + poxburster 😔

[cyan notch]

where is it

cant even see the guy before u just died

[unreal comet]

i was on last bar and hit a barel

[cyan notch]

oh i thought a poxburster killed u

must have been right on the barrel

[runic hornet]

barrel moment

[unreal comet]

no that's just why i have so much corruption

[cyan notch]

usually it just tickles

[simple junco]

90% barrel

[undone relic]

OH! i see it now xD

[runic hornet]

my friend said that lower difficulty barrels do more damage than damnation barrels

[undone relic]

barrel was laying on the ground lol

[runic hornet]

i havne't tested this

[unreal comet]

this was just malice high intens

[frank moat]

I still have so much trouble remembering which explosives do what

[unreal comet]

same match

[fossil snow]

I wasnt thinking of the stats when I upgraded this, did I outright waste the mats or is it okay?

[cyan notch]

LOL

[runic hornet]

it's a delfector FS

[fossil snow]

yeah, thats why I uped it, its fun

[runic hornet]

if that's your only one, it was still worthit beacuase you won't see another for 300 hours

[unreal comet]

^

[fossil snow]

I got it from the store, is it rare?

[vast oyster]

Still ain't see one

[runic hornet]

dev confirmed to be rarer in the docket shop than most (highlevel/"rare" blessings almost never appear on blues for sale)

[unreal comet]

deflector is pretty rare

[runic hornet]

I got one in the beta and I saw another 300 hours later.

Deflector is fucked.

[fossil snow]

it was blue and i had just gotten the peril barrier thing

so I figured, why not?

[cyan notch]

do they expect you to just randomly upgrade to yellow tier and hope u get it

or hope melk sells it

[jaunty atlas]

the problem with deflector is that you will develop a false sense of security and when it will be nerfed, because it will, you will have to readapt to something far, far less glamorous

[unreal comet]

something something crafting complicated something something blessing rolls coming soon

[fossil snow]

gift would make it feel the most special

[frank moat]

or wait til Hardon pulls her foot out of her ass

[onyx sentinel]

Wait the crafting upgrade can give you blessings??

[sonic aspen]

yes

[frank moat]

Coming Soon tm

Oh Consecrate you mean yeah

[cyan notch]

yeah it aint coming this month

[unreal comet]

when you consecrate from blue > purple > orange

but no re-rolls

[because hadron hates you]

[sonic aspen]

rebless soon

2 years

tba

[cyan notch]

meanwhile enjoy a bunch of terrible camo skins

[unreal comet]

i want to wear an ultramarines toilet seat around my head

[vast oyster]

That force sword model looks great but man that camo is ugly

[unreal comet]

and be blue from head to toe

ideal psyker camo push it 2400 aquilas

[cyan notch]

everytime i accidentally click on the shop girl and she says give me your aquilas i just cringe

[unreal comet]

some of the cheaper cosmetics/the non 2400 bundles i've been tempted by on other classes

but goddamn
psyker gets the short end of hte stick

[sonic aspen]

no more smurfs I'm tired of smurfs aasa

[unreal comet]

we already get to wear toilet bowls

why not an UltraToilet

[frank moat]

None of the premium cosmetics are even good on Psyk yet besides the week 1 toilet seat

[undone relic]

at least theyre being lore accurate.. 40k psyker hate n all

[vast oyster]

Need me that Eisenhorn drip

[cyan notch]

surge nerf 100% heats nerf fashion nerf pick n mix nerf

[frank moat]

Subject Psi trenchcoat got sliced in half, Mindwalker has no sleeves and wears dumb camo pants and the new Hammerhand set is slathered in dumb camo too

[unreal comet]

i had some fun with the current surge vfx and took 3 of my friends w/ surge staffs to a lights out mission

psyker rave psyker rave

[sonic aspen]

if we could redye or remove camo the psyker skins wouldn't be as bad

I sure do love the 70s couch design camo

[frank moat]

Yea totally, but as is it’s impossible to build any kind of coordinated fashion

[steep bridge]

Psyker really has gotten the short stick of a deal in here

[cyan notch]

i dont even know any lore but man sometimes the voicelines u get everyone is so mean get a deflector solo res clutch u just get hit with the DONT TOUCH ME FREAK

[frank moat]

Man I had to drop Surge for a Purgatus, was making me queasy

[sonic aspen]

basically psyker isn't considered human and basically a heretic

[simple dove]

heretics that are tolerated

[vivid merlin]

what's everyone's favourite melee weapon here in Psyker Town because I keep changing mine

[undone relic]

yeah... they did a good job making it clear that despite needing them everyone is raised to hate psykers -lorewise

[vivid merlin]

The emperor is a psyker

[sonic aspen]

I just wish we could have the small mutations the psykers usually have

[cyan notch]

pretty annoying to hear over and over tbh

[undone relic]

technically yes, but he is also the Emperor.. and psyker powers lead to chaos

[unreal comet]

technically speaking we could explode into a chaos spawn if we triggered perils

or blip out of existence along with everyone standing nearby

[sonic aspen]

and the emperor doesn't decide one day he's gonna summon a greater daemon because they had a bad day

[steep bridge]

Pretty much practically speaking

[unreal comet]

...or make the air taste like vomit

[feral crater]

😄 next subclass confirmed!

[unreal comet]

(not all perils are catastrophic in lore)

[vivid merlin]

who's to say the emperor wouldn't

[simple dove]

man, triggering perils you should loose control of your toon and start attacking teamates

[runic hornet]

perils of the warp and you turn into a pickle

[vivid merlin]

funniest shit I've ever seen

[unreal comet]

funniest shit ive ever seen

[cyan notch]

someone should explode then we need more bosses besides slug and zombie shrek

[undone relic]

yet a psyker is needed to navigate the warp -hyperspace travel- and tons of other things

[feral crater]

shittiest fun I've ever seen

[sonic aspen]

perils of the warp and oh no everything is purple

[unreal comet]

1/100,000 chance for perils to spawn a pack rat

[steep bridge]

Think of Psykers as of Techpriests. Techpriests are basically heretics too. But they make all of your guns, and ship, and tanks, so you kinda can't tell them to fuck off.

[sonic aspen]

1/1,000,000 chance on peril to teleport you to vermintide

[nimble burrow]

I had a Surger in my game the day of the patch and it was strobing so bad I couldn’t stay near them

[cyan notch]

wtf is a heretic what classifies them as such

[analog juniper]

what you dont like the electric disco?

[cyan notch]

are they the zombie guys

[steep bridge]

everything that is not a pure human, in a nutshell

[sonic aspen]

they are in contact with literal hell

[analog juniper]

You are a Heretic

[static epoch]

Yeah someone said to me it was very bad and since then I haven't used it, the guy was being honest and if people are annoyed by it no way I am going to use it

[unreal comet]

going against the imperial creed/religious doctrine of worshipping the god emperor of mankind, basically

[undone relic]

only because by time BigE showed up on mars to bring them back into the fold he figured out pretty quick he'd have a hard battle to 'get them back on track' and he needed them... so theyre the only ones he tolerated xD

[unreal comet]

you can be an_ab_ human

[cyan notch]

bruh

[unreal comet]

like ogryn

ogryn aren't heretics at all

neither are sanctioned psykers, most people just hate them anyways

[vale terrace]

Why is the mk5 axe considered good?

Dunno if im missing something but the horde clear is kinda eh

[sonic aspen]

don't mind the sanctioned psyker screaming "WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOM" that's his way of saying hello

[jovial panther]

it's versatile, good ST damage and a bit cleave

[static epoch]

it can do everything

with big big damage

[vale terrace]

Might jsut be cause mine's a shit low level then, doesnt seem like it has any cleave

[undone relic]

psykers just have 'mutated' to be magic wielding, but its an easy slope into chaos, you know.. lose control of your powers and explode taking out cities and summoning things like the beast of nergal n others xD

[jovial panther]

cleave is on push-attack

[static epoch]

yeah you have to dodge well, get a few strikedowns in then block push when it's getting hot

[sonic aspen]

I mean if you stood next to a person who could explode at any moment and kill everyone I wouldn't like em either

[bold maple]

*lose

[lucid mortar]

I've never seen quell speed roll this low lol

[unreal comet]

hm
would it be a meme build to use the FS and play around having high perils, passive stacks on kills, kinetic overload (the passive soulblaze one), ascendant blaze

what staff would be good for haha soulblaze go brr

[undone relic]

ty i suppose lol

[cyan notch]

revolver

[sinful bramble]

Purgatus

Purgatus builds soul flame on enemies anyways

[sonic aspen]

fire staff with that higher crit chance at high peril blessing

[sinful bramble]

Natural synergy with ascendant blaze

[unreal comet]

and having it from your feats = more blaze

cool

i'll shoot for that c:

[fallow meadow]

I am not sure dose this count as blessing...

[fast swan]

yo instead of giving the other good fer nothin classes weapons, they really oughta give us that force greatsword

[sinful bramble]

I also like the ability cooldown coherency one with that for more bursts or whatever

[unreal comet]

devil's claw isnt bad

[sonic aspen]

no that's a perk

[sinful bramble]

Pushes

[shut thorn]

Are you using block push combo

[sonic aspen]

and it's a curse

[unreal comet]

it's not
the best

but it can work™️

[summer prairie]

catachan mkiv is very good

[unreal comet]

that is a v. good roll

[sonic aspen]

I hate devil claws because the special ability is like "why don't I just push stab instead"

[unreal comet]

zerkers

basically

[frank moat]

What’s with the Barter button

[unreal comet]

it lets you bop a zerker without losing a lot of stam

[sinful bramble]

Does that interrupt their combo or something?

[unreal comet]

i would need to go in and test it but from memory i think it's like

an automatic counter attack you're blocking during?

like you parry something and you automatically swing safely if you got hit during the parry

i haven't used it in forever, i forgor exactly how it work

[fallow meadow]

I am using dueling sword recently. Running fast is just too good. Maybe I will give that devil's claw a try.

[summer prairie]

light-heavy repeat for full screen horizontal cleave

[fallow meadow]

So, it is a ogryn claver.

[unreal comet]

yeah it actually

fills a pretty similar role to og cleaver

except you dont get a funny punch

poopy butts penetration but it has decent stagger and cleaves a lot

[fallow meadow]

Dueling sword don't do much penetration so I think I will be fine on that part.

[tacit fractal]

I love this community

[empty granite]

For a Surge staff, if the preferred perk damage vs Flak or Carapace?

[vale terrace]

was a bit, didnt know if that was the cleave or not

[fallow meadow]

Both will do but damage vs Carapace will be better value since your attack will do full damage on them.

[tacit fractal]

I love sometimes getting good vibes and sometimes death threats for just having a fast response :)

[fallow meadow]

Block push is all you need to do with an axe. Don't even border normal attack.

[teal needle]

I've been checking the store religiously and grabbing every grey/green force sword to consecrate in hopes of getting a weapon with deflector and zero luck since beta

[nimble burrow]

[empty granite]

What do you mean by full damage? Like you aren't "wasting" damage against Caparace like you would Flak?

[fallow meadow]

You won't, but the other's will do lesser damage on Caparace. So relatively, "damage to Caparace" have a bit better value on surge compare to "damage to Flak".

This is quite a personnel thought though, as there are much more Flak enemy in game.

[empty granite]

In the meat grinder, the ONLY enemy that is considered Carapace for the Surge staff (because it only hits the torso, I think) is the Crusher. Everything else is mostly Flak

[scenic shadow]

Greetings Siblings, how are you all enjoying the new update

[sharp ibex]

Flak enemies are more dangerous than carapace

Shotgunners, for example.

[bright raft]

any idea for reroll perks?

I learn from you better psykes I just shoot things

[summer prairie]

i guess you reroll corruption resistance there

[empty granite]

Reroll that corruption resistance. It's very bad

[summer prairie]

for 20% gunner resistance

[bright raft]

yeah was thinking gunner

bomber is meh

but it high rolled

[fair axle]

wcorruption resistance is super lol

... it doesn't actually cap how much corruption you can get

it does.. slows down the gain

[empty granite]

Someone did the math on it a few weeks ago and it was quite horrible

Also, just so you guys are aware, damage resistance to Gunners doesn't include the regular shooter guys that aren't taggable elites.

[jaunty moth]

look at this beast to bad its on the psyker n will never be used lmao

[bright raft]

that would be so OP lol'

[empty granite]

Lol I have an inventory FULL of 370+ lasguns and axes thanks to being a Psyker

[fair axle]

I mean, Gunners aren't shooters, so yes, that was to be expected

[jaunty moth]

me too

[lucid mortar]

bought this since the blessing offsets the charge rate lol

well sorta

[empty granite]

Some people might think they're the same. They think "that guy shoots me with a gun, must be a gunner"

[frank moat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zhu85k/grimoire_corruption_explained_and_why_corruption/

[empty granite]

Ok, only a week ago. Feels like 2 weeks though.

[fallow meadow]

Shotgunner are quite bullshit in my opinion. They always spawn in two + a bunch of shooter. They can just spawn in front of you and one shot you toughness and the shooter will finish you off.

[fair axle]

Yeah, but I mean.. People also think that they can walk into gun fire and not die, so.. I don't expect much from people.

[true echo]

i rerolled the 8% specialist damage to 4% crit chance. what do you guys think, was that the right choice? also what about the blessings, are they okay?

[fallow meadow]

crit is very good on surge.

[empty granite]

You got me all tripped up with that skin, lol

[true echo]

haha, yea. i just like the imperial aquilla better than that square eye

[fair axle]

I would go all crit on Surge

20% damage to.. everything

[empty granite]

You want to get rid of the damage to unarmored

[fallow meadow]

You won't get much use on Warp Flurry, but I think it is ok.

[empty granite]

More than anything

[fair axle]

Do Warp Flurry actually..

Work?

[empty granite]

Does Warp Flurry require pure spamming or is there time between each right click?

That's kinda my question as well, lol

[fair axle]

I imagine you have to chain secondaries, but

But I don't see any effect from doing it

[empty granite]

Like no time to quell for 1 sec between bursts or something?

[lucid mortar]

Is charge rate the least important mod on surge staff?

[fair axle]

I imagine no

Chaining is generally continuous attacking

Stopping a chain would be stopping attacking

[true echo]

what about using your F? would that break the warp flurry ?

[empty granite]

Quell speed isn't THAT important either, but in general yeah. Charge Rate, Resist, and Quell can be middling

[fair axle]

Yes, F would break a chain

[fallow meadow]

You can hold your RMB while you are still shooting lighting, but I don't really know if it work.

[fair axle]

It would break it

It breaks melee chains

Just like block does

But I don't honestly think it works in the first place, because.. Secondaries don't actually chain

I've never seen a difference between charge time with or without it

[fallow meadow]

Surge can do a whole lot damage if you full charge it, so yes.

[summer prairie]

it would be a good blessing if it worked

[empty granite]

Do we know if the increased critical chance perk on a surge staff applies to the lightning?

[fair axle]

It does

[bright raft]

What are everyones 2 favorite blessings for the MK V axe? momentum and limbsplitter?

[empty granite]

As in, the secondary attacks?

[fair axle]

It does

[fallow meadow]

Not that good on surge though. You mostly only got 4 shoot before you need a rest.

[empty granite]

Ok, I'll swap out my 10% elite damage for 25% flak

[fair axle]

I mean, it won't make a lot of difference on a surge staff unless you also got the 4% to crit 5 stacks according to peril, because.. 6-8% on top of 18% is not very noticable

but once you get that 4% blessing, you'll find that you crit for 50% of all hits

[meager plinth]

Doing my part

[fair axle]

Crit Chance & I'd say Unyielding damage + Crit Perk and Power Perk = melt anything staff

except for Poxwalkers and Dreg

[empty granite]

Is that the 100k killed?

[fallow meadow]

Unyielding damage is shit. Only bulwark count as Unyielding.

[fair axle]

Not true tho

Bulwark, Crusher and Reaper are all Unyielding

[empty granite]

I'd think Flak would be better than unyielding in terms of effectiveness. You aren't going to kill Bulwarks or Reapers with the staff, that's what teammates are for. The damage on those is just gravy

[fair axle]

But we already murder flak

[empty granite]

You DO, however, want to kill the scab gunline behind cover and other flak stuff

Yes, but you won't always be able to full charge a flak enemy

[fallow meadow]

Things in Meat Grinder told an other story.

[fair axle]

Yes, surge already got a 3x damage to flak

[empty granite]

That 25% damage gained can help with less than full charges

[fair axle]

I don't really have an issue with scabs on Damnation

[cold oasis]

^

[empty granite]

The only unyielding are Bulwarks and Reapers

[fair axle]

The first 3 always die on instant charge

[night marten]

are monstrosities unyielding?

[cold oasis]

?

[fair axle]

the latter 2-4 gets killed in the second hit

[cold oasis]

the first guy doesn't get killed on 5 with a 80% weapon and 20% flak damage

[fair axle]

I don't think that 25% is going to change that breakpoint honestly

[empty granite]

I don't think you should be using secondary on Monstrosities that often, but yes you're right.

[cold oasis]

i have honestly no idea how you're killing 3 without charging.

[night marten]

missed the earlier part of the convo, not sure what weapon we're talking about

[lucid mortar]

surge

[empty granite]

Yeah sorry

[night marten]

ah, yea it's going to tickle them lol

kinda like getting carapace on purge

not much point

[empty granite]

It only affects the damage you do to Crushers and that's it

[lucid mortar]

I bet it makes them a little sweaty

[empty granite]

Since the staff only hits the torso, nearly every other enemy is Flak or Maniac

[fallow meadow]

It is good if there are different emeny is mixed in when Monstrosities are spawn.

[full coral]

did they fix the surge staff yet?

[night marten]

those are definitely always good rolls imo, for basically any staff

[empty granite]

The visual effects, no

[lucid mortar]

I think to know the proper special bonus dmg to pick you'd have to see if any of them give you breakpoints based on your weapon dmg

[full coral]

how long can it take to fix a visual bug smh

[night marten]

if history is any indicator, nothing is changing until monday

[empty granite]

It's not a bug. It was an intentional change.

[night marten]

would be happy to be proven wrong

[cold oasis]

Yeah, i don't think it's intentional giving people a risk of seizure attack.

[full coral]

I am pretty sure it was not meant to be looking like it looks rn

[plucky remnant]

Fellas, which staff should I use the most? Shock Staff is good for stunning but its damage is kinda not good from what I've seen

[full coral]

therefore it is a bug

[empty granite]

Play all the staves. Feel out the ones you like best

[night marten]

I played with another psyker one round who brought surge, and I noticed the effect on my ui it's so bad

[fallow meadow]

The damage is not bad on surge. The other are just better.

[cold oasis]

^ I had to literally ask the guy to never go before me

[plucky remnant]

Trauma Staff is actually pretty fun, but with stairs and their weird hitboxes, hitting the AOE attack is a bit difficult

[fallow meadow]

Even trauma do better damage.

[empty granite]

That is objectively false. They made that change intentionally but didn't think about the repercussions to some with visual impairments

[fair axle]

Literally depends on what you feels like shooting at.. Surge is horrible for Dregs, great for Flak and Carapace

[plucky remnant]

Got'cha!

[empty granite]

Do WE the Psyker with this feat need to get the kill to trigger the cooldown redux, or can it be ANY ally within coherency?

[elfin crystal]

surge is ok once you have crit on it

[plucky remnant]

Purgatus is the flame one, right?

[elfin crystal]

yes

[empty granite]

Yes

[summer prairie]

psyker has to kill and everyone gets cooldown

[night marten]

anyone (including you) within coherency, but only the killer gets the CD reduction

[summer prairie]

it was changed in the patch

[fair axle]

Purgatus is great for hordes

[night marten]

oh really? I missed that, will have to re-read

[empty granite]

Are you sure? I did some small testing last night with a buddy and it seemed like I had to be the one to get the kill

[fair axle]

Voidstrike is... less good

[summer prairie]

I don't remember which patch, the one that made both specials/elites count towards it

[night marten]

was it a stealth change, or did they actually leave a note about it (if you know)

[empty granite]

Void is a great general purpose staff, but not specific to a role, which can make it lag behind others in effectiveness

[summer prairie]

The notes only said they fixed some elites not counting towards it

but pretty sure it was also changed to work as I described

[fair axle]

I feel like Void and Trauma is great at spread everything around... but I imagine that Vets hate that..

[empty granite]

That's what my testing last night vaguely confirmed. We tried it on like 3-4 elites so we weren't 100% confirming it, but close

[median terrace]

from what ive seen the purgatus is great for horde control

[fallow meadow]

Full charge Void do some good damage. You are more like a psyteran with it.

[empty granite]

Trauma is really ass because it spreads TOO much. Void at least keeps them in the same zip code, lol

[night marten]

sigh

why can't it be easy

[empty granite]

It's our best method to kill hordes

Just shy of a long hallway with a void staff

[fair axle]

Purgatus is probably the best at horde control even beating the Flamer due to higher uptime the higher damage of the Flamer doesn't really.. make it better when you don't need it to kill the elites and the horde.. but you won't be able to kill Carapace with it like a Zealot can with flamer

[night marten]

@summer prairie ah looks like it was really just that generic statement "Fixed an issue where Psyker’s “Psykinetic’s Aura” would not work on elite enemies"

[fallow meadow]

Oh, flamer work on Carapace. Never know that.

[fair axle]

No it doesn't, but Zealots ult gives 100% carapace rending

so.. they can ult and kill carapace with it 🙂

Should probably have added that xD

It's a bit cheat what the Zealot get on their Flamer.. Ignoring 60% stagger resistance and 2% power ramping up the longer the keep the flame going..

[empty granite]

I mean, we get soulblaze feats and they have nothing in their feat tree to give bonuses to flames

[fallow meadow]

soulblaze feats don't really worth to use though.

[dense hornet]

Ahh i really hope they fix this "Brain burst" quell when reached 100%....

Before can able to quickly quell when everytime it reached 100% with "Braint burst", now when it hits second time 100% then there have a delay which causes also when changed to "staff" or "force sword" also cannot be quelled and need to wait few seconds... So annoying!

This is fine for Malice, but in Heresy or Damnation is kinda pain when need to restore quell fast when friends are dying....

Some psyker player know this, but someone who did not reach 100% warp with "Brain burst" continuesly will not know about the quick quell, before this new update.

[fair axle]

And psykers are left with.. run 'n' gun, which doesn't work with secondary.. focused channelling which is pointless while you're spewing flames, transfer peril when you can weak spot hit with it.. terrifying barrage, which it already has and.. charge time that doesn't seem to work + higher crit which.. does work but not with your dots

[empty granite]

They kinda aren't, but the point is, we HAVE them and they can be tuned

[night marten]

121122 or 122112 are fine builds that focus on using ascendant blaze

[fair axle]

I mean.. Purgatus staff is really left with no useful blessings.. whatsoever..

[night marten]

crit chance is good

[empty granite]

Most of us are aware. What I'll say is that I feel the Psyker shouldn't be BB spamming to even trigger the bug for it right now, but I know there is always a chance for it to happen

[fair axle]

Yes, but that only affects your flame direct hit, and yes, 20% extra damage is good, but still..... That's the only blessing that's worth getting.. The rest is either not working on it or it already does it..

[night marten]

gives you double soulblaze stacks on crit

[fallow meadow]

Don't Purgatus do just a tiny amount of raw damage? Do crit really change that much?

[night marten]

makes a huge impact on total damage dealt

[fair axle]

You can't get Blazing Spirit

[night marten]

yea I know, that's not relevant

[empty granite]

Yeah it was a stealth buff, but might be unintended, honestly.

[dense hornet]

What bug it causes?

[night marten]

critting with purge results in 2 stacks applied instead of 1

[fair axle]

Well, it applies 2 Purgatus stacks, not soulblaze

they're not the same dot

[empty granite]

What you described is a bug. The 100% peril BB thing is a bug. The Devs know about it and acknowledged it

[night marten]

I'm pretty sure it's double soulblaze stacks

couple of us tested it

[empty granite]

Yeah yesterday. A crit from the flame stream applies two stacks of soulblaze, seemingly.

[night marten]

can literally one-shot a damnation bulwark if you manage to crit with one full secondary charge

[empty granite]

And there is some damage scaling weirdness from those crit stacks that make the burn dot hit harder

[dense hornet]

Ahh.. :/ i didnt know about that one.. I thought it was normal, but then they added delay (fixed the bug). Well... i only get used to spam BB and it was so much fun... I used it a lot... now it feels like empty hand and i havent used BB much.

I played psyker is because of BB...

[fair axle]

Soulblaze is not what Purgatus applies, Soulblaze is always limited to 10 stacks

[leaden pier]

What's dots

[teal cargo]

Soulblaze is what purg applies

otherwise like how you get a bunch from ascendent blaze?

[night marten]

yea, it's just that the staff's direct damage and it's application of soulblaze are two different damage types

[empty granite]

Understandable. Then yeah you might need to wait until they fix it. Or you can try to play Psyker with minimal BB use.

Did we ever confirm if the flame stream damage (not burn DoT) triggers the 10% chance to gain a warp charge from Ascending Blaze?

[empty granite]

DoT is Damage over Time.

[leaden pier]

Oh

[empty granite]

It's a common term among MMOs and such

[fair axle]

If Soulblaze and Purgatus staff applied the same buff, Soulblaze from your feats would do more damage with a Purgatus equipped or stacked into it, but they don't.

dot

[night marten]

#psyker-class message

^ crit makes a big difference after all stacks have been applied, because even one or two additional stacks is big damage

and that's why crit chance is very good on purge staff right now

whether it's perks, or warp nexus

[empty granite]

Which is why I said there is some backend calculation stuff that seems weird with a single crit stack

[night marten]

I'm not sure it's that weird, just think it's a product of ending the charge with more stacks than you otherwise would have

and the ticks hitting progressively harder the more you have applied simultaneously

[empty granite]

What I mean is, an extra single stack doesn't increase the dot damage THAT much even though stack damage is non-linear

Since you only crit once in that video it can be assumed it only applied +1 total stacks compared to the second video

[summer prairie]

at least previously some weapons got consecutive crits within a salvo when critting , purgatus used to get 3

[night marten]

yea

[summer prairie]

would that calculation add up if it was applying 3 extra stacks

[empty granite]

I don't know. I need to check the formula

But an extra 40+ damage per tick for like 12 vs 13 or whatever stacks seems too large a gap

[nimble burrow]

The wording on that confuses me every time. My assumption is:
More peril, more stacks, highest % crit chance from stacks = 3%?

[night marten]

as @burnt python and a couple others have said, looks like an array of static values for soulblaze scaling

[nimble burrow]

At what % peril do you get max stacks

[night marten]

I'm not sure how the stacking effect of warp nexus works

doesn't give me a visual indicator anywhere in the UI

[nimble burrow]

For a while I thought each stack gives the % crit chance stated and that can’t be right

The highest ive seen is 4%, so max stacks with 20% crit chance seems nuts

[empty granite]

Yeah, FatShark needs to be more clear and precise in the wording of some Blessings as well as give a UI indicator that ANY of that stuff is working, lol

[bleak sonnet]

fartshart is no longer the company we knew

[empty granite]

That's a bit reductive.

[sonic aspen]

they are just snowshark now

[nimble burrow]

I don’t care what they say anyway, I’m always a community-led fan anyway like Souls games

[bleak sonnet]

tencentshark

[nimble burrow]

Go rage and vent somewhere else lmao

[empty granite]

I encourage you to head to general chat.

[bleak sonnet]

who's raging?

[empty granite]

Does anyone prefer the Mk V Combat axe to the Mk V Dueling Sword?

[bleak sonnet]

yes

way better

dueling sword damage lacks on 5's

[empty granite]

I'm not convinced.

[lucid mortar]

Combat axe feels kinda broken lol, it's very good imo

[frank moat]

What’s the duelling sword good for?

[lucid mortar]

the antax that is

[frank moat]

Haven’t found one I liked the feel of

[bleak sonnet]

it used to be good for movement

afaik thats nerfed

[lucid mortar]

It's really just about the antax's push attack, it's really fast. Then you get the obvious dmg benefits for elites if needed

but ultimately it's preference

[teal cargo]

axe is nice

[lucid mortar]

melee is usually more about how skilled you are with the weapon anyway

[empty granite]

That's pretty fair. I've been running the Mk IV Combat Sword for a bit and it feels pretty nice. The parry is effective.

[teal cargo]

DS is nice for movement but that was nerf

[royal granite]

that was nerfed more than a week ago

[radiant niche]

i leveled my psyker in the cbt, ran a few missions after the peril changes. have they given any word as to like, why

[empty granite]

Nah, mate. Just two days ago.

[teal cargo]

Whaaa no ot was nerfed last patch

[royal granite]

was it nerfed again or something?

[bleak sonnet]

i havent played in like 3 weeks so im a bit behind

[empty granite]

The heavy attack momentum sliding was removed

[teal cargo]

Used to be you could slide a huge distance forward

[royal granite]

ah that's a shame

[royal granite]

i was about to ask if you actually play the game or just come here to complain, no joke

[teal cargo]

mk iv i hear also haz good horde clear

[bleak sonnet]

mostly just to complain

[frank moat]

tbf I had asked first what the duelling sword’s niche was meant to be

[lucid mortar]

I've completely ignored combat sword, I should give it a shot

[royal granite]

to address that question then: it's a defensive weapon

[teal cargo]

That would be FS

[empty granite]

Yeah it's pretty smooth doing a light>heavy>light>heavy rotation. The other two swords seem to struggle to create a good rhythm

[teal cargo]

Dueling for gotta go fast

[royal granite]

didn't y'all just saying dueling sword's zoomies was nerfed?

[teal cargo]

still got long dodges

[empty granite]

The Mk V, yes, because it has a Defences stat, but the other two have cleave damage, so that doesn't strike me as defensive.

[teal cargo]

oh mk v oof

[royal granite]

anyway it's still defensive, dodge tanking is great and fun

[sonic aspen]

the momentum keeping is nerfed

[frank hazel]

I'm back after playing a couple more games and I'm going down so much it hurts

I suck poop

[royal granite]

i wasn't even thinking about the stats, in my mind the damage is a bit too low for it to be an effective murder tool

[empty granite]

Gotta weave in those dodge and pushes

[empty granite]

The light weakspot damage is like 2x normal, so it can murder well, but you need precision

[teal cargo]

Mkv sword deals great dmg to muties

heavies and all

[bleak sonnet]

nobody can convince me the dueling sword's dodging capabilites is just better than killing the thing fast with axe

[sonic aspen]

I just lightning and axe stab and repeat

[bleak sonnet]

it just kills so slow

[teal cargo]

Idk hard to compare dueling sword dodges and such

[empty granite]

Sometimes the fast kill leaves you vulnerable in a horde if it's too slow

[teal cargo]

Axe has safe push attack though

[bleak sonnet]

^

u are never vulnerable with axe

and peril block

unless ur positioned badly against ranged enemies

[teal cargo]

Well you can still be shot

[royal granite]

and you can be grabbed, trapped, and dogged

[bleak sonnet]

well with any weapon that's true, but im implying you're playing

and not standing still against trappers and the like lol

[teal cargo]

FS can block bullets

[bleak sonnet]

u can dodge while blocking

[royal granite]

well i'm not exactly picturing a 1v2 situation

more like there's a horde and a handful of specials

sometimes it's better to just back off

[bleak sonnet]

oh yeah for sure

[wide heron]

does Psykinetic's Wrath increase the damage of your Soulblaze dots too? or is it only the direct damage from the Purg staff?

[royal granite]

and that's where a good dodge excels

[tidal sparrow]

Psyker with lasgun plus one or 2 vets is a guaranteed L on damnation

[teal cargo]

I heard it doesnt affect soul blaze dots

[bleak sonnet]

yeah its better at getting u out of mispositioning

[teal cargo]

but idk

[teal cargo]

guaranteed L?

[bleak sonnet]

so if you have issues with that DS or knife is solid

[night marten]

it does I'm not sure, thought you meant warp charges in general

[mild canopy]

On purgatus damage or burn modifier, which is better? Think i heard burn

[teal cargo]

I don think mispositioning is the word for it

[royal granite]

well sometimes you don't place yourself in a bad position, the game puts you in one

[frank moat]

Hey is there any point me grabbing a second Deflector FS if I see one? Will I need to dismantle them or something when Hadron is up n running?

[teal cargo]

cos enemies can spawn behind you and such

[royal granite]

you should see how crazy bad you can get knocked around in the new all dogs mode, even if none of the dogs are actually going for you

[bleak sonnet]

thats true i have 0 exp with that

[royal granite]

oops all dogs is so much fun

[bleak sonnet]

my takes may be a bit dated

[wide heron]

the big thing that stresses me out is no howl, just having to listen for barking

[royal granite]

better safe than sorry

[bleak sonnet]

im just waiting for them to release something cool to play again so im not burnt out by then :P

[mild canopy]

Purgatus, burn or damage

[teal cargo]

Might as well, not much use for dockets

Burn is better

[frank moat]

Got it boss

[mild canopy]

Thanks

[teal cargo]

dmg not so important for purg

[royal granite]

you played all the classes yet?

[bleak sonnet]

the ones i want to yeah

[royal granite]

fair

[bleak sonnet]

didnt max ogryn

got bored

[royal granite]

i felt like a god playing vet after 100+ hours of psyker

[teal cargo]

vets kinda busted

[bleak sonnet]

vets just boring ngl

one dimensional

most fun class zealot imo

[royal granite]

just walk around town with 200 toughness, gunner? reaper? just eat the shots and shoot them back

[teal cargo]

yea nad invisibility

[lucid mortar]

I think vet has to be the highest dps otherwise few would play it

[teal cargo]

and cleaving like 20 enemies per swing

[bleak sonnet]

all vet does is dps ofc it should be highest dps

[royal granite]

leveling vet was super fun, every time you unlock a new feat tier you have actual choices and options instead of whatever the fuck our feat tree is

[teal cargo]

they are pretty tanky vs ranged

[wide heron]

Classes really feel like Vet > Zealot >>>> Ogryn > Psyker as someone who mainly plays Psyker and loves it to death

[teal cargo]

with high tougness

nah def not

i think the other 3 are pretty close

cept vet

[bleak sonnet]

i heard the changes fucked psyk

so maybe hes right now

[royal granite]

i gotta disagree, vet is definitely the best class but i don't think i'd place any of the other classes much above or below us

[wide heron]

its quelling is bugged with brainburst or something

[bold maple]

literally anything fucks psyker

[teal cargo]

well there is peril bug that nerf BB

so that sucks

[bold maple]

im not playing this game for another year til they buff this ass class up

[sick mulch]

Your PFP makes this infinitely more funny

[bleak sonnet]

when i was still playing i felt zealot>psyker=vet>ogryn

[teal cargo]

but not counting that

[orchid nacelle]

do you guys think any of the trailer/promo content music will end up in the game somewhere

i haven't heard Warp Traveller or Nightsider anywhere in game

[royal granite]

i don't think psyker needs buffs, i think it needs to be reworked so it actually feels good to play instead of either a chore to do average or sacrificing all your fun to become a cc bot

[orchid nacelle]

adding multi-target to brain burst would make it feel a lot better

[teal cargo]

I feel like Vet >> Zealot ~= Psyker > Ogryn

[night marten]

have lots of fun on purgatus

[royal granite]

why is that? no surprise but i played mostly sienna in vt2

[teal cargo]

but Ogryn and Psyker are pretty low diff

[steep bridge]

penances for psyker are also an absolute cock

[empty granite]

Moon subs in MY Psyker chat?

[sick mulch]

Sienna and psyker feel similar that's all

[royal granite]

i don't think any of our staffs (except trauma) are bad, it's just that they entirely define what you do

fair

[empty granite]

Mostly just the staves and Peril/burn meter

[shut thorn]

Ok but what do they give you compared to other classes

Psyker is hilariously weak

[teal cargo]

man look at all my Forceswords without deflector

[teal cargo]

very good CC

[shut thorn]

iktf

[empty granite]

We don't use ammunition. Have tools to handle mostly any situation.

[royal granite]

i mean they are all entirely unique effects, aside from purge

[wide heron]

the biggest issue is psykers scaling, people are like "Psyker is great, its fine, what are you talking about" and only play difficulty 1-2 (maybe 3) and it shows lol

[shut thorn]

As if ammunition is an issue, for one less psyker in exchange for one more vet, you have better ammo lmao

[teal cargo]

whaaa?

no i play 4 and 5 and Psyker is strong there too

you just need to stop thinking of it as a dps class

you arent

[bleak sonnet]

i cleared 30 t5 on psyker felt fine

[teal cargo]

you are a support/tank

[orchid nacelle]

psyker is just a flex utility class meant to fill the margins not already satisfied by the other classes

[shut thorn]

The biggest issue with psyker is that it feels mediocre after several hundred hours

[orchid nacelle]

it's not really good at anything

[empty granite]

The main issue folks seem to have is that BB and warp charges are the "mechanic" of the Psyker, which is kinda a trap.

[sick mulch]

Tank?

[steep bridge]

Tank, Psyker. Tank.

[teal cargo]

Yes

you can block forever

[shut thorn]

I shouldn't have played zealot**** as much as I did because I really can't enjoy psyker anymore

[teal cargo]

with kinetic deflect

[royal granite]

i mostly play D4, I never feel weak

[teal cargo]

and good toughness regen

[steep bridge]

Mans drinking unfiltered acid

[bleak sonnet]

maybe u feel weak because your mechanics are lackin

[sick mulch]

What ever they putting in your water I want it

[teal cargo]

besides Shield Ogryns you have the best blocking out of all the classes

can tank hordes forever

[shut thorn]

Ppl who say psyker can't tank haven't used antax or fs deflector

[teal cargo]

and DH for a good while too

[lucid mortar]

If you have deflector you can just walk forward down a corridor of shooter, pretty nice

[shut thorn]

Psyker literally can melee tank the best in the game

[teal cargo]

and revive poeple in the middle of hordes

couple that with good cc you can tank and support well

[empty granite]

I find I REALLY struggle with needing toughness instantly if I'm out. If you can't kill stuff quickly, then the kill to get 10% toughness is hard to achieve

[wide heron]

tank build requires some good curio rolls though

[royal granite]

the way psyker can clutch in a worst case scenario when everyone is down is why i keep coming back to it, even if i think veteran is objectively better in most ways

[teal cargo]

Use Quietude

Block gives peril

[shut thorn]

zealot does it better

[teal cargo]

losing peril gives toughness

[shut thorn]

:/

[royal granite]

every time i lose a game on veteran i think "man i could have clutched that out on psyker"

[bleak sonnet]

zealot does not block ranged fire :P

[orchid nacelle]

what are the current psyker curio god rolls

[teal cargo]

Zealot gets mowed down by ranged

[empty granite]

I mean for shooters

[shut thorn]

there's enough corners and sliding is a thing to the extent that's not really an issue

[teal cargo]

well Deflector 😔

[empty granite]

I might not WANT to use that, lol

[orchid nacelle]

zealot is really good at engaging ranged enemies in melee though

[stark nebula]

Can someone help me before I mess up my one good staff? I want to roll Unarmored Enemies into something else, right? Like maybe Flak Armor or something?

[teal cargo]

duck around a corner then like zealot

[orchid nacelle]

especially now that his ult charge doesn't get cancelled

[empty granite]

I like my Combat sword right now, but I understand deflector is amazing

[teal cargo]

surge is good at clearing scab gunners

[empty granite]

You lucky fuck

[shut thorn]

If you're going to claim that psyker has better clutch capability than zealot, you haven't played zealot

[bleak sonnet]

players dont always get downed around corners

[royal granite]

have you never played hourglass maps? or throneside?

[bleak sonnet]

also i main zealot

[empty granite]

You want to re-roll unarmored to Flak, yes

[teal cargo]

I've played Zealot

Psyker has advantages

[shut thorn]

sliding

[stark nebula]

Ok, tyvm

[burnt python]

thats the 1 thing psyker does best lol

[wide heron]

fan the flames and have a entire room on lockdown

[royal granite]

yeah you gonna slide around while reviving someone?

[orchid nacelle]

holy revenant does make zealot functionally immortal if you just don't act like a dipshit for 5 minutes straight

[shut thorn]

How many scenarios do you need to create to make zealot sound worse than psyker at survivability

[bleak sonnet]

zealot is the best class, but not at revives

[orchid nacelle]

i never had a problem engaging ranged enemies with zealot

[royal granite]

i mean, hiding behind corners and sliding aren't really unique to zealot, are they?

[open estuary]

now that is a weird take

[orchid nacelle]

they just whip their out their clubs when i get close

[sick mulch]

Zealot worst class because the players are bad

[humble skiff]

the 15 seconds kinetic flayer cooldown is per target right?

[teal cargo]

idk vs mass ranged as zealots its very sketch

you charge them and take a billion dmg usually

[shut thorn]

Aite start posting t5 revive clutches since you're so insistent on psyker being ideal for it

[orchid nacelle]

i'm pretty sure it's internal

[vast oyster]

Zealot is fine for revives but I never see anyone use their stun grenades

[orchid nacelle]

as in, you can't proc it more than once every 15s

[teal cargo]

15s to be able to proc

toehrwise would be ridiculous with purg

[humble skiff]

some youtuber said its per target

[royal granite]

i said i mostly play D4s, i don't have to prove shit

[teal cargo]

its def not per target

imagine purging a hallway

and popping everythign

[sick mulch]

No one ever used them I've not seen a single one

[orchid nacelle]

that would actually be kinda fun

[bleak sonnet]

@lethal plover its your time

[orchid nacelle]

and fatshark hates fun

[bleak sonnet]

post some clutch revives

[humble skiff]

yea

[shut thorn]

Then don't claim retarded stuff, zealot is literally ideal for shit situations literally due to inherent immortality when played properly

[teal cargo]

you arent inherently immortal

[vast oyster]

Only time I've seen it used is my friend reviving me lol

[teal cargo]

and poeple dont even use holy rev

[orchid nacelle]

psyker has WAAAAY better control over wide areas

[teal cargo]

over TWTS

[orchid nacelle]

zealot only has flamer which is great but limited

[teal cargo]

TWBS

[orchid nacelle]

psyker has no such limitation

psyker can just keep churning out random shit

[bleak sonnet]

zealot has mk12 lasgun

:P

[royal granite]

so does psyker, lol

[frank moat]

They’re too busy tryna dome Scab Snipers from 40m way

[empty granite]

Man, the game ALMOST had me convinced that 25% Flak didn't exist. Re-roll for like 25 straight minutes.

[bleak sonnet]

yes. he said zealot only has flamer, thsts what i was responding to

[frank moat]

Praise

[royal granite]

i mean i'm not using the MG 12 on a psyker, i just think referring to a common pool weapon is funny

[quick bridge]

Thamder Hammur

[teal cargo]

Zealot has better damage is significantly tankier while just taking hits

[bleak sonnet]

zealot > psyker = vet > ogryn

[royal granite]

that's fair

[bleak sonnet]

any day

[orchid nacelle]

zealot needs to be played like a psychotic serial killer constantly engaging and ripping apart ranged enemies

if you stop for a moment you lose steam and get owned

[shut thorn]

vet > everyone else*

[royal granite]

man i'm willing to believe knife zealot can be good, but i've never seen a good one

[empty granite]

Well, slightly better damage because they have feats and passives. Their main strength is toughness regen that Psyker doesn't really have in melee

[bleak sonnet]

i disagree, vet does nothing special

[royal granite]

every time i go down and i get the luxury of spectating a knife zealot they are mostly swinging at the air and eating hits from poxwalkers and groaners

[teal cargo]

You kinda have toughness regen in melee

with peril block

becausey ou block and then passive quell it

[steep bridge]

Guys we can always circumvent Psyker being bad by playing with good classes. Since the game doesn't have a DPS meter, nobody will know your class bad

[bleak sonnet]

if mk12 wasnt on any class i'd agree with vet>all

[empty granite]

Vet is boring because it's John Shooterman, but their whole kit is a bit overtuned compared to the other classes. That's why folks are complaining.

[nimble burrow]

Sometimes I brainburst with the axe and run the “warp kill” toughness regen lmao

[wide heron]

dont undersell the increased ammo and strongest special ability

[royal granite]

veteran would score pretty low on a dps meter since they don't have much aoe

[teal cargo]

Vet has so many dmg steiroidis

[open estuary]

And zealot and ogryn are boring because they are just john meleeman

[teal cargo]

as well as invisibility lol

[bleak sonnet]

i never run out of ammo man :/

the special is nice, but i did pretty thorough testing and most breakpoints werent changed

[orchid nacelle]

veteran and psyker together in coherence = god tier

[royal granite]

i like being able to highlight specials for my team

[bleak sonnet]

with a really good rolled mk12 on any class most specials get 2-3shot regardless of vet special

[orchid nacelle]

especially with the psyker feat that gives ult resets

[empty granite]

Yeah, a numbers balance pass on the other classes would be nice. Why does the vet's F give 50% damage increase and can be chained whereas the Pyker's F is a sneeze in some cases, lol

[sick mulch]

Vet is only good because it's 40k

[royal granite]

also chaining volley fire infinitely with the level 30 feat feels good

[spiral remnant]

ogryn is surprisingly good at horde clearing depending on your ranged tho

[sick mulch]

The dwarf with the minigun was boring as shit to play in vt2

[spiral remnant]

i wouldnt dismiss ogryn and zealot as melee characters, they can be diverse

[bleak sonnet]

i run mk12 on my zealot and can handle pmuch any situation

very well rounded

[empty granite]

I'd argue that the Psyker is the most diverse, but a jack of all trades is a master of none.

[royal granite]

literally all ogryn weapons are unique to ogryn, that is pretty unique

[spiral remnant]

psyker's F is pretty good, especially if you time it right to relieve pressure off you in a hoard situation

especially if a lot of ragers or maulers are swarming you

if does a lot to help out your teammates

[nimble burrow]

What I like about Psyker:
I don’t need to loot goblin and ration out ammo and grenades
Half the staves don’t even need to aim
Brain Bursting the Crushers and Bulwarks 5 miles away
Burninating 🔥
Infinite guard when it all goes to tits
The admech-like d r i p

[empty granite]

Which is fair, but it's more of a defensive ability than anything so you can't really spam it or you might get caught in a bad situation when you DID need it

[shut thorn]

Honestly psyker would probably be more enjoyable with better sound effects

[orchid nacelle]

ascendant blaze lowkey has value as an enemy highlighting mechanism

[spiral remnant]

fair, just wish they gave brain burst a teensy bit of a buff

[royal granite]

zealots have better admech drip than us now, sibling...

[spiral remnant]

seems a little bit useless rn,

[royal granite]

they got that fuckin red robe

[low tree]

Not to change the subject, but I was curious how everyone deals with quelling on R while also trying to dodge and move quickly? Maybe my fingers are dumb, but it feels cumbersome.

[bleak sonnet]

show pic?

[royal granite]

ooh i'm so mad, that red robe shoulda been ours

[stark nebula]

Nice, it only took like 5 seconds of rerolling 😄

[primal aurora]

I remapped it to mouse button 5

[nimble burrow]

Everyone can have red robes okay

[empty granite]

So THAT'S where all my luck went. To YOU.

[wide heron]

the moving full speed while quelling talent isnt terrible