psyker-class

[cyan notch]

where are you going with this

[manic needle]

Yes exactly

[cyan notch]

youre just blabbering

[idle bay]

So... i have total 47% Block Efficiency (15% on MK V axe and 32% from Curios) - should be that enough to passively tank Demonhost with Kinetic Barrier ? 🙂

[manic needle]

First time?

[wise pecan]

You’ve established that we’re clearly not going to come to any agreement, so I dropped the conversation and switched to the one that the other folks are having

[cyan notch]

that wasnt even replying to u bro

[wise pecan]

Ah, my b

Hard to tell sometimes

[meager plinth]

Way more than enough

[cyan notch]

u should try using staffs against mutants in the meat grinder youll see how pathetically long it takes

vs like a couple hits with antax

[idle bay]

Antax is love , Antax is live!

[meager plinth]

The corruption is gonna seep through your block btw so even if it doesn’t break through your guard

[manic needle]

High risk plays vs. sitting back in a relatively safe position, thats the tradeoff.

If I can get a few hits with my axe in to speed things up, great

[wise pecan]

Antax is definitely great, I’m just saying though, any blessing that only benefits on chained hits doesn’t do a lot of good for psyker

[idle bay]

I tnaked one on Heresy barely but without any Block efficiency that time.

[wise pecan]

Because blocking resets your chain, and psyker blocks a lot

[meager plinth]

You should definitely try to learn the dodge timings while being protected by the KB

So you can take that knowledge to other classes

[cyan notch]

ok and what else are you going to put on there

[wise pecan]

Limbsplitter

20% extra damage on almost every attack? Sign me up

[cyan notch]

fair enough

[vagrant cedar]

shit trait

[cyan notch]

i wouldnt call decimator useless though

[vagrant cedar]

it aint but it's meh

[cyan notch]

definitely

theres a difference between useless and mid

[wise pecan]

It’s shit on zealot and vet. Blocking breaks your chain, though, so it can easily apply to every melee attack you make in a match as a psyker, depending on how you use your melee

[vagrant cedar]

it's wayyyy to defensive trait for my playstyle

[wise pecan]

Peril blocking means stamina is free to spend on shoves

[vagrant cedar]

it's very good for defensive af gameplay

[wise pecan]

Which means you can be constantly shoving and aiming at heads with antax’s horizontal cleave

[cold oasis]

Is this about Peril block?

The most op talent that we have?

[cyan notch]

its more diagonal

[meager plinth]

The demon host convo is about peril block
The Antax convo is about its blessings

[wise pecan]

The antax convo is assuming that you’ve taken peril block

[drowsy fog]

well now that I have all the psyker penances done... zealot time? maybe?

[cyan notch]

what about lifeleech

[tawny swallow]

does the peril block cap off and sap from stamina or does it go all the way to max I don’t remember

[cold oasis]

it gets to like 90%

[wise pecan]

It caps off at critical peril. Doesn’t blow you up

[cold oasis]

but you dissipate fast enough that it's rarely a problem

[tawny swallow]

that’s quite strong then actually

[cyan notch]

it does take your stamina tho once youre at 90

[meager plinth]

It’s Insanely good, I’ve managed to revive my whole team while tanking a demonhost with it

[cold oasis]

That talent makes you impossible to stop while ressing btw

[drowsy fog]

tanked a demonhost earlier tonight with kinetic deflection and instantly got 2 tiers of "the emperor protects"

[tawny swallow]

wait what are the other perks in that tree though

[wise pecan]

Yeah if it didn’t transition to stamina and could just detonate your ass, then it’d be a risky pick. As is, though, it’s extremely good

[wise pecan]

I don’t remember the middle one, but the bottom one is that quelling doesn’t reduce your walk speed

[cold oasis]

Absolute garbage

[drowsy fog]

kinetic shield reduces toughness damage scaling with peril

[cold oasis]

Quelling speed while moving, and the ranged damage reduction based on warp charges

[drowsy fog]

and then yeah mind in motion you dont lose speed while quelling

[cold oasis]

It's warp charges, not peril

[covert cosmos]

i think its just ranged dmg

[drowsy fog]

is it?

[cold oasis]

Yep.

[drowsy fog]

eh irrelevant anyway

[cold oasis]

I thought it was peril too

[wise pecan]

I think so yeah

[covert cosmos]

up to 33% toughness dmg reduction at max warp

vs ranged

[warm delta]

really isnt very useful tbh

[cold oasis]

Either they changed it between the closed beta a few months ago or it was always warp charges and i forgot

if it was based on peril it could've been a consideration

[wise pecan]

Yeah that value’s way too low to be competitive. Bump it to 100 and then it’ll almost compete with peril blocking

Which lets you just, y’know, make yourself immune to ranged damage whenever you want with no warp charge fuckery (provided RNGesus blesses you)

[cyan notch]

lol 100% ranged toughness reduction

[warm delta]

nah 100 would make it opaf, peril blocking would not stand a chance

[warm delta]

to compete with it

[cyan notch]

silliest suggestion ive ever heard

[covert cosmos]

do it

i wanna be immune to ranged

[meager plinth]

Not immune, you are gonna run out of warp charges

[covert cosmos]

not if i keep spamming bb

[stark snow]

it would still need to be substantial, like over 60% to make me even consider vs peril block

[covert cosmos]

just only ever use bb

they cant stop you!

[meager plinth]

carpal tunnel

[covert cosmos]

what are they gonna do, shoot you?

[royal granite]

hit you probably

[wise pecan]

Two pox walkers run up at you

[frank hawk]

have anyone a good build for a surge staff ?

[warm delta]

you can laugh at reaper's face

[manic needle]

Die of old age while they wait for their turn to be targeted by you

[cyan notch]

then u just kill the melee lol

25s between warp charges

[wise pecan]

Fair, yeah, 100% would be absurd

[cold oasis]

Not using it now

[wise pecan]

But it’s gotta be like 75% or you might as well just peril block with a force sword

33% is barely even noticeable

[royal granite]

your build doesn't matter much with surge, if you bring surge your job is to cc high priority targets and not much else, psykinetic's aura might be helpful so you can hit f more often

wait no

[wise pecan]

Ehhh I’d say your build makes a difference, simply because it can affect how much you can spam surge

[royal granite]

equip blue-tint sunglasses irl

that'll make a huge difference

[meager plinth]

Close your eyes to use surge staff

[royal granite]

welding goggles would also work

[frank hawk]

is this ok so ?

[meager plinth]

Cosplay as mauler while you are getting mauled

[cold oasis]

Blind yourself with a weapon then it's easy to play

[royal granite]

also a strict keto diet can help prevent seizures

[manic needle]

I prefer Quietude for surge staff

[wise pecan]

Toughness on quell to counter chip damage, tranquility to generate less peril, communion and kinetic flayer for warp charges (and free kills)

[dreamy lava]

Can anyone verify if they just added this rapidly flashing light effect to the Surge staff's charging animation or was it there all along?

[royal granite]

keto diet and good sunglasses, that's your surge build

[drowsy fog]

quietude for first perk, deflection for 4th the others are fine tho

[vagrant cedar]

everything is okay depending on your playstyle

[royal granite]

i'm pretty sure it was always there, but the screen shimmer made it way worse

[cold oasis]

Yes and no

[dreamy lava]

Anyway to turn the screen shimmer off? It's hurting my eyes...

[wise pecan]

Sunglasses irl are definitely the most important part though. Preferably ship em out to your teammates too

[cold oasis]

It was there, but it was absolutely not noticeable

[wise pecan]

Nope

[meager plinth]

It’s been worst since the update, hold off the surge staff until it’s fixed

[royal granite]

mind in motion is pretty mediocre, you can still dodge while quelling so it doesn't slow you down too bad

[drowsy fog]

a few people were saying surge was required for damnation, this is fatsharks response lol

[dreamy lava]

Sigh... back to Voidstrike then...

[manic needle]

You can also move faster while quelling with a staff, which also quells peril faster.

[royal granite]

that too

[manic needle]

The only reason I can see to take Mind in Motion is if youre a gun psyker.

[cold oasis]

The best fatshark response was "Trauma staff is intended (to be utter shit"

[manic needle]

And then you have bigger problems because youre a gun psyker

[meager plinth]

Even has gun psyker, ur better off switching to your gun and letting the auto quell work

[royal granite]

trauma seems to be reliably dealing full damage inside its aoe now, but that's still a really small aoe and it doesn't do much to specials

[drowsy fog]

yeah non-force passive quell is absurdly fast

[wise pecan]

The only excuse I’ve seen for gun psykering is wanting to use a force sword and also wanting the fast passive quell, which is an argument I can at least understand

[royal granite]

and for some reason it applies CRAZY stagger to everything outside the aoe, fanning out hordes and making follow up attacks from itself less efficient

[cold oasis]

Honestly, i've been using a good Kestrel now that the surge staff is fucked

[manic needle]

The only counter argument I can think of to that is for situations where you need to spam BB... and yeah just dodge kite, you dont need a perk to help.

[drowsy fog]

change trauma to sucking enemies in

[royal granite]

kantrael?

[cold oasis]

^

[cyan notch]

yea same its pretty smooth sailing in heresy

[wise pecan]

You know what the kantrael is even better on, though?

[royal granite]

kantrael mg 12 is crazy good

[wise pecan]

A vet

[cold oasis]

Ogryn?

[drowsy fog]

also let us have that alternate fs skin without a god awful camo on it

[meager plinth]

Yea but wanna know which class we want to play?

[cyan notch]

sure but sometimes they bring bolter

[meager plinth]

Psyker

[royal granite]

i wish the laspistol dealt good damage so i could justify taking it on psyker

the laspistol push is actually fucking crazy good

[wise pecan]

Brain burst isn’t that good

[drowsy fog]

gun psyker could become meta and I'd still rock the purge

[royal granite]

it's like a 10 meter beam of really high knockdown

[cold oasis]

i honestly can't make myself like purge

[royal granite]

hang on i'm gonna check if the game has numbers on it

[manic needle]

Someone make me understand gun psykers. I have literally never seen one perform well.

[analog juniper]

Gun Psyker is Heresy

[cold oasis]

it just does fuck all damage unless you fully charge it even for a single mob

[cyan notch]

purg is pretty decent dont rely on right click too much unless theres a massive horde

[royal granite]

lol these numbers are completely wrong

[wise pecan]

Honestly, fair, it really is something you have to want to like

[royal granite]

hang on i'm gonna get a more realistic screenshot

[cyan notch]

the left click stagger is insane

[drowsy fog]

🤷‍♀️ I love the purge but everyone has tastes

[cold oasis]

I mean yeah, but it's just worse than a surge at that point

[analog juniper]

do you have a high dmg purge with crit? Cause it does do dmg just not all at once

[cyan notch]

but can handle hordes too

[cold oasis]

Are hordes ever a problem? >_>

[analog juniper]

high dmg, high burn*

[wise pecan]

Yes

[royal granite]

hordes are a problem at d4+ if nobody brings good horde clear

[wise pecan]

Any game you lose, I bet one of the major causes was a horde

[royal granite]

everyone thinks hordes are nothing until one person goes down and nobody can clear space to pick them up

[cold oasis]

#idisagree

[meager plinth]

Not being able to dodge a mutant because you are being swarmed for example

[cyan notch]

you handling horde = your teammates can do other stuff like killing elites and specials

[whole wharf]

Time to dance siblings

[cold oasis]

i mean you can handle a horde with your melee weapon easily

[drowsy fog]

depends on the weapon

[cold oasis]

Both the axe for killing them, or the force sword to just spam stun em

[meager plinth]

Bold of you to assume your teammates aren’t gonna also shoot the horde instead of doing other stuff

[drowsy fog]

but also why not cut the horde down before melee is an option

[severe folio]

gun psyker just because you want to use the mg12

gun feels great

[cyan notch]

yes but you cant always just stop and kill a special while fighting a horde with melee

[meager plinth]

Yea you can

[royal granite]

push is a knockdown on ragers at this range

[meager plinth]

That’s why you have your ability

[wise pecan]

Vet didn’t kill the specials? It’s because of the horde. Nobody focused the mutant? They had pox walkers on their dick. Nobody picked you up when you got trapped/dogged? Horde in the way. Sniper doesn’t get shot? Guess what, horde is keeping it alive

[drowsy fog]

I dont gotta stop for anything the special is in my flames too

[rich meteor]

horde is the only reason you wipe on higher difficulties

[cyan notch]

well yea thats why i said cant always

[royal granite]

staggers everything in a line, often knocks down

[wise pecan]

The horde is nonissue but itself, but a massive force multiplier for any non-horde enemy

[meager plinth]

@royal granite

[drowsy fog]

hordes+purge are the reason I have frenzied killer lol

[royal granite]

fuck i wish it did good damage

the laspistol push was good before too

[cyan notch]

i got mine with void

[meager plinth]

Nah, it had massive delays between uses

[royal granite]

oh yeah there was that

on the other hand, you could push while aiming

[drowsy fog]

ey hot garbage in the shop again

and everything at melks is sub 350 lol

[manic needle]

Darktide in a nutshell. Ive gotten 380's but theyre all lasguns, autoguns, and Catachan blades

[fringe agate]

same

[ivory marsh]

not if its a mixed horde

[meager plinth]

That’s the real reason gun psykers exists, so that they get 380s but not if the weapons they want to use

[wise pecan]

Lmao this is also a fair excuse

[manic needle]

Here I thought that they just got Stockholm syndrome after Veterans kept stealing away their Elite kills.

[light quail]

can we start giving veterans bonehead chips?

dude wakes a daemonhost i just marked

[random wolf]

I mean Gun Psykers Still auto-headpop lmao

And they have access to Accatran Lasguns that the Zealots don't have

So I don't see why not

[tawny swallow]

ngl the first time I saw a daemonhost I was hovering bb over the area and caught it on accident

[loud peak]

what's the best strategy for Cliffhanger?

[wise pecan]

I will say the one time I have ever had any trouble at all with just a horde, it’s because it was high intensity damnation investigation, on the second half of the final objective. There were so many pox walkers that Flamer and Purgatus combined still weren’t clearing them faster than they spawned

[manic needle]

Did they blame the rest of the team when they inevitably died?

[light quail]

nope
just stayed silent

[manic needle]

At least they had that level of decency lol

[cyan notch]

sometimes u just shoot pings

[ivory marsh]

your staff/gun choice represents the kind of enemy pressure you feel needs to be handled to succeed in your run

[wise pecan]

This is a good take

[meager plinth]

For example, Kantrael excels at killing gunner squads

[light quail]

im that one hipster who runs trauma

[cyan notch]

what if i use revolver

[meager plinth]

Pair that with an ascending blaze build and BB for armoured enemies and you are average against everything, leaving no situation you can’t handle

[wise pecan]

I’m not sure what trauma represents. Clusters of dudes that you don’t actually want dead, just scattered?

[meager plinth]

If it had a DoT that could work

[manic needle]

It means you played Sienna a lot in VT2

[wise pecan]

Lmao fair

[tawny swallow]

good for chokepoints I suppose

[cyan notch]

trauma actually deletes stuff its just the outer edge that does nothing and knocks everything down

[meager plinth]

Trauma would be good if it didn’t had as much falloff

[light quail]

mfw sienna main

im patiently waiting for a beam/sniper style staff

[wise pecan]

You got called out lmao

[manic needle]

Trauma does more damage than voidstrike, at its peak. The big problems with it for me are (were?) peril generation and relative unwieldiness compared to other staffs

[light quail]

yeah it generates a lot of peril

you get more use out of the quell talent though

[meager plinth]

The voidstrike is a big cyclinder that can go through the whole horde

And still deal with gunners

[wise pecan]

Yeah, trauma def does more damage than voidstrike, it just does that damage in a little ball, and voidstrike deals it in a horizontal cylinder, and one of those shapes is a lot better

[meager plinth]

Lower peril build up, increase the range and decrease the falloff and the trauma would be good

[wise pecan]

Yep

[light quail]

holy shit

WAIT NAH

[meager plinth]

Hes beautiful

[light quail]

NO WAY

MEGAMIND SUIT

[meager plinth]

The psyker we deserve

[wise pecan]

The first image I wasn’t seeing it, the second convinced me

[ocean forge]

the black mamaba

[wise pecan]

Someone buy that helmet and throw it on the imperial edition outfit

[light quail]

also the veil thing is totally flagellant from DD

[meager plinth]

One sec

we need blue skin and the ability to rename ourselves

[magic burrow]

I actually saw a Psyker called Megamind the other day

[primal aurora]

ahahahahahaha

[meager plinth]

Hell yes

Truly one of the esteemed member of the psyker community

normal clothes

[magic burrow]

PRESENTATION

[meager plinth]

If one day we truly get to cosplay Megamind in all his glory, this game will have reached its peak

[light quail]

here's what I got on my weirdboy at the moment

[meager plinth]

Psyker drip time!

[light quail]

it is now
driptide hours

[analog juniper]

Is this drippy enough?

[meager plinth]

If you can get the hat from the haz3 penances, definitly pair it with that shirt

More drip than that and you would drown

[light quail]

good drip
but i get the feeling your psyker has evanescence on their spotify playlist

[analog juniper]

lmao

[meager plinth]

That psyker has evanescence 24/7 playing directly from the warp

That’s what they listen to at high peril instead of whispers

[light quail]

at 80% its just the chorus of bring me to life at max volume

[analog juniper]

Actually that Psyker has this on repeat https://youtu.be/RfkbC8VYEWM

[light quail]

also the sienna eyes would look so damn good with that outfit

glowy orange ones

[light quail]

also incase trauma staff wasnt enough indication i mained sienna

got the tats and eyes

[meager plinth]

Honestly with how good that tattoo is, it’s a shame we can’t show a little bit more skin except with the prisoner top

[light quail]

grimdark bathing costumes for summer pls

[meager plinth]

For ogryn

[light quail]

yes

[meager plinth]

His new paid one is basically a crop top

[light quail]

dear emperor

[maiden wolf]

Are there any repaint options for the final tier of clothing?

[meager plinth]

Repaint?

[light quail]

diff colours

[boreal wave]

Skins. Recolors.

[analog juniper]

nope

[light quail]

time witch and shiz

[meager plinth]

Nah only black

[light quail]

the new veteran set

[maiden wolf]

Darn, do you know about the second-to-final one?

[meager plinth]

The haz3 penance ones, red and green with gold n silver accents?

[light quail]

stg every class gets drip but psyker

[maiden wolf]

This is what I had in mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU21qYFmrcY

[runic juniper]

day 4 of solo queing transit hub assassination on damnation for pick n' mix, I was bursting my 5th ogryn as a hound pounced from behind

[meager plinth]

its hard to pair without using paid cosmetics

If I would of had the green prisoner clothes maybe

[runic juniper]

I would like it if you could either buy the cosmetics in the bundles separate, or if you could buy literally anything else with exact aquilas amount

[wise pecan]

Alright that second one looks fly as hell

It made the magikarp cosplay actually look good

[meager plinth]

paired with the joker face tattoo and its pretty good

[jovial panther]

so it's not fixed yet?

[meager plinth]

It makes you look incredibly wide at the shoulders tho

[jaunty atlas]

i don't understand how you're supposed to kill 5 elites in heresy with a spell that has a 3s cast, a limit of casting, on elites that require two spells

even with a precast, a reset and the 6C

[meager plinth]

The T5 talent

[jaunty atlas]

that seems really far fetched

[meager plinth]

You have to kill them basically back to back

[jaunty atlas]

the auto bb ? oO

[meager plinth]

T6 my bad

25% BB speed

[runic juniper]

you get 4 bb before you explode, you use wrath on the 4th as you are exploding and kill the 5th afterwards

the issue is that on heresy most of the elites and specials stop becoming 1 shots with bb

[meager plinth]

https://youtu.be/u3-y7zN7phc

you need either 5 gunners/shotgunners to to get lucky and get a mix in with damaged ragers and ogryns

[runic juniper]

and teammates will easily fuck that up

[meager plinth]

very easily

although the drip is worth it

[tawny maple]

Head tattoos looks really good with final zealot chestpiece, surprisingly

[wise pecan]

4 things:

1. Use the right build. That one perk that makes your F buff your brain burst, and probably also tranquility
2. Have a vet with bio-optic targeting, so you can see when 5 dudes are in proximity
3. High intensity heresy mission
4. Get lucky

[prisma minnow]

is the new mission completed icons UX account wide?

like am i seeing missions completed on once class that I completed on the others?

[runic juniper]

I'd be fine if I could solo que the same mission over and over again, but apparently you're not allowed to play a live service game alone and being able to select the exact mission you want in a list would be "too overwhelming"

[jaunty atlas]

people would always select the easiest

[runic juniper]

yeah, fucking let us

this penance is shit

[light quail]

5: Kinetic flayer & Barrage

[wicked grove]

oh that looks good

I got pick and mix today

[meager plinth]

For your own personal enjoyment of the game, I’d highly advise not trying to grind it, it will burn you out fast

[wicked grove]

Fuck me

I hated this

[manic needle]

Pick 'n' mix?

[wicked grove]

I managed to get 5 gunners

On a hi-intensity assassination mission

[runic juniper]

It's the only penance im stuck on, had no issues with the sharpshooter and preacher penances

[jaunty atlas]

no, the vet penance taught me that. i will simply skip it, maybe one day the opportunity will present itself

[manic needle]

Yep. It's always Pick n' Mix. GL my guy.

[meager plinth]

Pick and Mix ones are horrible, I’m glad I’m done with those

[manic needle]

That and Going Out With a Bang are the only ones I havent done, and the latter is only because I have no real desire to ever do it.

[wicked grove]

tbh Pick and Mix seems to be the ONLY one people get stuck on

[meager plinth]

Pick n mix and Going out with a bang

[wicked grove]

Going out with a bang is easy

Run into ragers

go boom

[manic needle]

Why would I even want to purposely blow myself up? Dumbest concept for a penance really

[prisma minnow]

because some people get lucky with it does not make it easy lol

[manic needle]

"intentionally down yourself" yeah okay Fatshark I'll pass.

[wicked grove]

Oh for sure. Same for Pick and Mix

[jaunty atlas]

well it's to atone from your sins

[runic juniper]

and both penances are easily ruined by having other people just playing the game normally

[jaunty atlas]

explode friend. explode.

[wicked grove]

The penance is DESIGNED to be luck based

[meager plinth]

The only penance I’m missing for psyker is the Malleus Monstronum

[manic needle]

Lucky, that one's not too bad

[subtle linden]

That one’s pretty easy

[wicked grove]

get an ogryn

Find a DH

EZ clap

[manic needle]

(Until an idiot teammate starts spamming attacks on it)

[meager plinth]

B)

[manic needle]

That happened to me on my first attempt

[wicked grove]

Dont do it on pubs

[subtle linden]

It was more annoying when it was 100% and before daemonhost

Cuz exploding barrels could fuck u

[wicked grove]

even when it was 100.

[subtle linden]

[wicked grove]

You got the DH before the change to 90%

[runic juniper]

had a teammate who was helping me do it (by not attacking it) disconnect and the bot ruined it

[meager plinth]

That’s what they mean

[manic needle]

RIP

Bots are the ultimate idiot teammates to be fair

[meager plinth]

Shoutout to all the bots who wake up demonhosts

[manic needle]

Well okay no theyre still better than the heroes who just hold W and run towards the end of the map as quickly as possible

[wise pecan]

Easier said than done. Nobody wants to join a LFG call if you don’t have a mic

[meager plinth]

funny hat my beloved

[wicked grove]

True

I dont mind people who dont have mics

I understand the anxiety

[meager plinth]

You are better than most then

[wicked grove]

tbh there are some days I don't wanna talk

all I ask from micless people

[twilit comet]

Not the highest base rating, but this thing has been treating me pretty well.

[wicked grove]

You at least acknowledge the orders/plan

If you can't do that

I kick you out of the game

[meager plinth]

If only they added back the auto block when texting

[wise pecan]

I just have other people living in my house and I’d feel awkward talking when they can hear me, which is awkward. But I’ll post up, give as much detail as I can, and then just nobody joins. My mic’s buddy will post up and immediately get a few people

[severe folio]

question about the shop

[manic needle]

Nice weapon skin. Is that from Imperial Edition?

[meager plinth]

It’s from the new psyker set

[severe folio]

if i keep buying the highest rating, when the shop cycle do they give me higher and higher rating ?

[manic needle]

Oh okay so I will never have it but hey it looks nice

[wicked grove]

the "high roll" is random chance

[twilit comet]

Yeah, from the new psyker set - but I just bought that skin seperate from the bundle. Onle 300 aquillas

[severe folio]

how random

[wise pecan]

It doesn’t seem so, no. You’ll just be more primed to think that it is

[wicked grove]

VERY random

[severe folio]

i see

[subtle linden]

Low 300 to 380

[wicked grove]

The shop is designed to be predatory

[runic juniper]

come back every hour please 🙂 🙂

[wicked grove]

But the variance is generally 300-340 for commons

[wicked grove]

Your dream toy may just be in the shop RIGHT NOW

[runic juniper]

already checked its not

[wicked grove]

cmon why dont you play the game

[severe folio]

i see

[wicked grove]

Check it in a hour

[severe folio]

i just checked

now i sleep

[meager plinth]

Hey don’t worry, I’ll check in next hour it might be there

[severe folio]

so its random from 300 to 380

[wicked grove]

Why don't you see if its in the shop while you sleep

[severe folio]

got it

[wicked grove]

It just MIGHT be in there

[meager plinth]

I might be getting that 380 FS with perfect rolls

[wicked grove]

Yup.

You dont know it

So don't sleep

just grind

Don't you love the grind

[lethal plover]

is psyker quelling still fucked

[meager plinth]

I should check in the shop again I might of glanced over it

[lethal plover]

when is the hotfix

[wicked grove]

Yup

Quelling being hard locked is a feature

[runic juniper]

coming soom™️

[wicked grove]

not a bug

lmao

[wicked grove]

def

[lethal plover]

they admit it's a bug

[wicked grove]

How else do you know if it wasnt JUST there?

[wicked grove]

FS saying they made a mistake?

[manic needle]

Hmm, Im not to sure what to make of this random staff that I just got (minus the perk and blessing which would need to be rerolled and/or upgraded)

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1986681444725356258/D99FC29D155AB893B849A8B8C62FE1E96B9EBC2E/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Thoughts?

[wicked grove]

Wow. It must be duck season

Maybe they should fix psyker

Instead of hot fixing us

make our talents make sense

[severe folio]

since when have they fix psyker

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-cant-quell-or-swap-weapons-after-reaching-100-peril-twice/69172

[wicked grove]

fix our penance

[meager plinth]

Decent surge, nothing to go wild about

[manic needle]

Dont worry, next patch they will give us more new VFX. 🙂

[wicked grove]

Yay....

[meager plinth]

Low roll blessing and no use on that perk

[severe folio]

didnt they also acknowledge the trauma staff bug and didnt do anything last time

[wicked grove]

Fix our fucking class feats

Hell make BB a fuckin useful skill

[manic needle]

Its more the sort of thing I might save for rerolls and upgrades once Fatshark actually finishes the crafting system

[wise pecan]

Surge doesn’t really need charge rate, but it also doesn’t really need crit stats iirc, so with that quell/peril/damage lineup it’s not bad, but it could be better

[wicked grove]

rn it's trolling in high difficulty

[lethal plover]

the correct fix is just a slight increase in speed

[meager plinth]

Definitly yoink it if you have the coin, you might be getting better rolls till then

[wicked grove]

Make it so you do less BB on enemies in high difficulties

[finite gazelle]

Nah the damage needs to scale considering the peril. Its straight up arsecheeks in t5

[true torrent]

Is warp nexus good on purg?

[wicked grove]

its not god roll but its a good stat lineup

[gilded cave]

If you are still struggling to get Pick n Mix penance I did it last night and thought I'd write a short guide:

You want either Chasm Terminus Assassination or Hab Dreyko Investigation or Heresy or Damnation
You need minimum 2 people for a private lobby or a full group, preferably someone can play veteran
You need the level 30 feat Kinetic Barrage

Load into the maps and run to the point right before you drop into the area you encounter your first enemies. You are looking for a mix of 5 gunners or 5 shotgunners as both can be 1 shot by 1 BB on Heresy or Damnation.
If you don't get those leave the mission, reform your group and try again.
If the right specials/elites spawn you want to mark the most difficult to target special to start with and use the veterans ulti to highlight all the others and clear out any commons to make targeting easier.

Your cast order should be BB > Ulti > BB > BB > BB > BB
If done right your penance should pop immediately

We got 3 Pick n Mix done last night doing this. It took hours to get the right spawns.

Slight wall of text, apologies

[finite gazelle]

If you are still struggling to get Pick n Mix penance I did it last night and thought I'd write a short guide:

You want either Chasm Terminus Assassination or Hab Dreyko Investigation or Heresy or Damnation
You need minimum 2 people for a private lobby or a full group, preferably someone can play veteran
You need the level 30 feat Kinetic Barrage

Load into the maps and run to the point right before you drop into the area you encounter your first enemies. You are looking for a mix of 5 gunners or 5 shotgunners as both can be 1 shot by 1 BB on Heresy or Damnation.
If you don't get those leave the mission, reform your group and try again.
If the right specials/elites spawn you want to mark the most difficult to target special to start with and use the veterans ulti to highlight all the others and clear out any commons to make targeting easier.

Your cast order should be BB > Ulti > BB > BB > BB > BB
If done right your penance should pop immediately

We got 3 Pick n Mix done last night doing this. It took hours to get the right spawns.

Slight wall of text, apologies

[lethal plover]

people just want to BB 1shot crushers
But right now BB is usable to 1shot all the dangerous backline specials like trapper bomber sniper and dreg gunmen. bomber being the most important.

[compact cargo]

BB is good, just don't run it on elites, done

[meager plinth]

What the hell

[compact cargo]

what we need is actual feats

[lethal plover]

I don't need more damaging BB. I need faster BB to 1shot bomber faster.

[finite gazelle]

Not crushers but it should oneshot dogs at the least

[wicked grove]

maulers need to be 2 shot

instead of 3

[lethal plover]

I disagree. dogs and mutants should not be trivialized by BB alone. They should at least be allowed to get into engagement zone.

[wicked grove]

If it's gonna be our "signature grenade ability"

[lethal plover]

in that case surge is acceptable

[wicked grove]

make it worth a damn

[finite gazelle]

Then I just switch to vet and trivialise them

[wicked grove]

We're a worse vet.

The ONLY reason we are in higher diff games is cuz of surge staff.

That's about it

[lethal plover]

see, when you are a vet and you switch to guns, that makes you vulnerable in a horde. that's acceptable.

[finite gazelle]

Ps goes brrr

[wicked grove]

If Vets do their job elites/specials are dead.

[lethal plover]

axe is way better than power sword tbh. PS has shit defense.

[wicked grove]

Which a zealot can easily fix

[lethal plover]

and now it's even nerfed

[wicked grove]

It still cleaves through 8 people

[finite gazelle]

10

[wicked grove]

It's just not overperforming

[compact cargo]

BB is fine

[meager plinth]

It’s still OP just no longer insanely OP

[wicked grove]

But PS is still wayyyyy above most melees

[compact cargo]

We should have better feats tho and several build's

[compact cargo]

brutal momentum axe is now better

[wicked grove]

Psyker needs better feats

And a clearer vision of WHAT we are supposed to do

We need a support build, a dmg build, and a horde build

That's it

[compact cargo]

Yes

[lethal plover]

faster BB is the best. That allows me to oneshot bomber faster. which can be a great difference during a horde fight.

[wicked grove]

We currently have flavors of BB

[meager plinth]

like this shit

[wicked grove]

and a side of whatevers left

[compact cargo]

Oh btw while u hold m2 on bb, u can press f and keep ur charge

DoT is shit on psyker yes

[wicked grove]

tbh if warpflames were a better DoT

[meager plinth]

soulblaze gets good only when you can generate a lot of stacks

[wicked grove]

It would be viable

[meager plinth]

which is rather hard to do

[random wolf]

Hmmmmm.

[wicked grove]

Yup

Again

The horde build should be purge staff

[meager plinth]

that new one, it has brutal momemtum

[wicked grove]

The support should be Surge

the dmg should be void

[meager plinth]

and trauma

[lethal plover]

this basically only happens in big hordes.
luckily your job is also to clean up the biggest hordes. smaller situations should not be your job.

[wicked grove]

Trauma is meh

[vale terrace]

Which staff is the one that launches the big ball that minces shit, and is it any good?

[wicked grove]

Void?

It's good for elite killing

[vale terrace]

See psykers throw it into a crowd and it just goes through everything

[random wolf]

There's a blesisng that gives it -2% Peril per headshot

[meager plinth]

yeah but you have to dedicate most of your build to make soulblaze viable

[random wolf]

Firing it into a crowd at head level

[wicked grove]

I run surge staff cuz im usually drinking when im playing this game

[random wolf]

Is 10/10

[lethal plover]

ascendant blaze 6 stacks.
forget the soulblaze feats at 10 and 25

[wicked grove]

tbh the soulblaze build should start at level 10 and your capstone ability should be at 30

[lethal plover]

at least until they buff the feats at 10 and 25

[wicked grove]

and it increases the Damages on all your soulblaze effects

[meager plinth]

POV: Your warp charges run out before a horde spawns and you have to struggle to get them back

[wicked grove]

bruh

I cry when that happens

I literally do

Like..

why have you forsaken me

[lethal plover]

spray into a horde and I get like 4 stacks right away. I don't bother with upkeep.

[meager plinth]

you had the power to kill over 200 enemies by pressing 1 button

and now its gone

[wicked grove]

tbh I just wait for my team to kill shit

I get stacks from their murder sprees

If my surge staff kills something...well I did something ig

[onyx sentinel]

No I believe not

[wicked grove]

I usually frontline for my group though

[meager plinth]

yea but that requires you to use the 4% chance to get warp charge on kill

[wicked grove]

deflector sword

[normal matrix]

why is it that on my zealot char i never find psykers but every time i play my psyker i find at least one in my teams

[jovial panther]

cool

[wicked grove]

I never find psykers when im a psyker

[meager plinth]

imagine how many more stacks you could apply if you could use the 11% cooldown reduction on elite kill

[wicked grove]

But I always find vets and zealots

[lethal plover]

cooldown reduction is overrated
psyker basically always has the ult whenever my team needs rescue

[wicked grove]

tbh the only bonuses I get from stacks are the peril reduction, and the ult regen

[magic burrow]

I was in a 4 psyker game once. It was fun, but we couldn't kill the assassination target unfortunately. We didn't have the DPS.

[lethal plover]

the ults are very generous

[wicked grove]

If I need more than that my team is fucked

[meager plinth]

against a good horde you can get back your 6 stacks easily with ascending blaze, if you could use it back to back you could kill everything within seconds

[lethal plover]

nah. I cleared damnation with 3 psykers.
the biggest mistakes are usually stuff like people all ganging up on boss, then he does the EMP killing all toughness, then you all get chipped by mobs and specials

[meager plinth]

elites die super often so you would have constant uptime of your ascending blaze

[normal matrix]

also question what are you guys' thoughts on the force sword

[wicked grove]

I love it

I hate the fact it is our ONLY force weapon

When in lore there's so many fucking force weapons

we should have minimum

[vale terrace]

What does the force sword actually do?

[magic burrow]

I think our issue was that it was a tier4 high intensity bugged game and we just got overrun at the end.

[vale terrace]

I was assuming it just BB's stuff i hit with the special

[lethal plover]

good defense (deflector against bullets) so good for clutching revives, but mid at horde killing
mk5 combat axe is best for killing everything including horde clearing, but doesn't have bullet deflection

[normal matrix]

you can charge it for a big damage attack at the cost of 30-something peril

[wicked grove]

force halberd/spear, axe, sword, dagger, and claymore

That way we have a good variety of force weapons

[meager plinth]

I really hope other force melee weapons can also use deflection

[lethal plover]

tbh if they fix heresy endless people would probably miss it

[wicked grove]

I could see deflector on the axe, spear, sword

[lethal plover]

heresy ended up being the great noob filter that made casuals stay away from damnation

[wicked grove]

The dagger and claymore should have a "instead of deflector you get a mega charge boost if you charge it with perils"

[cyan notch]

wasnt endless in a bunch of runs i did

[wicked grove]

So you get increasing value the longer you charge it

kinda make it an assassination/dmg tool

[normal matrix]

do force attacks do more damage to daemons?

[wicked grove]

No sadly

Force Sword kinda meh on dps

[normal matrix]

[wicked grove]

Force Sword is not that good dps wise

[pine iris]

post-patch: quelling after hitting 100 gets stuck. feels like a bug vs intended, what do we think?

[wicked grove]

It's a bug

[bright raft]

its bug

[wicked grove]

FS said so

But will it get fixed?

[pine iris]

thank goodness

[wicked grove]

Probably never

[magic burrow]

confirmed bug according to forums

[lethal plover]

best dps is blocking
#psyker-class message

[wicked grove]

This is FS

[meager plinth]

anyone managed to get a force sword with the 4 soulblaze on crit + bonus critrate?

[wicked grove]

It'll take them years to address bugs

[pine iris]

it'll get fixed

[magic burrow]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-cant-quell-or-swap-weapons-after-reaching-100-peril-twice/69172

[wicked grove]

But the second we need store updates here they come to the rescue

[normal matrix]

it's interesting that you can save yourself from blowing up now, sienna couldnt do that

[untold sail]

survival bonus is needed and dmg output bonus as this class is weakest at the moment only good for cc and one in every bluemoon head pop on an sniper that hide

[wicked grove]

"Yo we heard you need a NEW skin"

[twilit comet]

I find thee speed at which you can use your special attack to kill elites/specials is pretty awesome, even compared to the chainswords. That, combined with unlimited dodge and deflector makes force sword pretty awesome IMHO. Horde clear isn't the craziest, but it's managable.

[lethal plover]

sounds like you haven't learned the way of peril axe

[wicked grove]

pretty much

I love the FS

its more flavorful and on theme than a fucking axe

"Yea I just found this random ass axe in the middle of the shop lol"

[normal matrix]

i dont really like the base axes, the default one you get for zeal put a bad taste in my mouth

the chainaxe is kinda cool though

[pine iris]

I play on damnation. my BB clutches all the time. "BB worthless above malice" is overblown nonsense from the community

[wicked grove]

It's only good in certain situations

[bright raft]

The people that can access/kill specials slower will complain

[wicked grove]

Outside of those it doesnt warrant the amount of support the feats the psyker feat list has

[compact cargo]

It's an issue with the devs putting psyker as armor deal...when he is a run away special dealer

[finite gazelle]

I'm still getting them in my games bro, had a vet land like 3 headshots in 5 minutes then alt f4 after getting dogged half a mile away

[twilit comet]

Completely agree. Plenty of uses for BB on Heresy+ to have impact.

[finite gazelle]

I'm still mad and it happened 3 days ago

[fluid vessel]

Whew

[bright raft]

nice!

[untold sail]

so one ax needed and its on pare whit zearloth and veterna?

[wicked grove]

It's like "here's a tool thats used maybe a few times throughout the match" and theres 4-5 fucking feats based on you doing your BB

[magic burrow]

yeah, feats should complement staves more rather than pretend Psykers are only around to BB

[wicked grove]

Like its assuming you're just whipping out your hands in the middle of a horde.

[lethal plover]

no one except psyker can peril block. it's called peril axe for a reason.

[bright raft]

Why is this only for the axe?

[wicked grove]

I prefer peril blocking with deflector FS

get on my level

[primal aurora]

because axe performs best

[magic burrow]

passive force quelling iirc

[lethal plover]

because the axe's push attack (which uses stamina, which psykers don't use) is stupid good
and the axe auto-quells

[bright raft]

Got it thanks

[compact cargo]

Warp charges should be more meaningful too

[wicked grove]

tbh

Warp charges should be used for purge builds

[compact cargo]

So keeping them is actually worth it and skill ceiling extenss

[wicked grove]

Where they can use it for doing MASSIVE damage

[untold sail]

what ax do i need to get to do this?

[wicked grove]

and it rewards you for maintaining large stacks

Where a supp build doesnt care about stacks but its nice to have CDR

[compact cargo]

even with peril res, it's 2 more casts on surge and 1 more cast of bb...with breakpoints not changing in damnation outside of crushers

[magic burrow]

what if rather than earning warp charges, they generate automatically, and brain burst uses a charge, etc. Something like that.

[wicked grove]

or some form of payoff for using BB

[compact cargo]

Lowers skill ceiling

[meager plinth]

Antax MkV

[lethal plover]

antax mk5 combat axe. get the peril block feat (kinetic deflection). then you never worry about horde again.
#psyker-class message

[pine iris]

warp charges should be halved, not cleared out on special ability

[wicked grove]

I mean Deflector FS is also good

[compact cargo]

Use the lvl 30 one

lol

best option there

[wicked grove]

Like being able to block gunner bs is SUPER useful

[bright raft]

what are best blessings for axe build?

[patent hatch]

Gonna keep them all for blessing transfers but which one for now yall think?

[compact cargo]

Brutal momentum

[meager plinth]

Brutal momentum

its the most important one

[wicked grove]

I clutched entire games with a deflector FS when there's no og

[lethal plover]

yeah it's a choice between clearing horde+elites, and surviving against ranged for that clutch revive

[bright raft]

thought s

[compact cargo]

Brutal momentum makes axe relevant vs hordes

[summer prairie]

a good catachan mkiv feels better than antax against hordes for me

[compact cargo]

and eith peril block u can use all ur stam to push attack

[magic burrow]

maintaining warp charges is not "skill", it's a chore.

[lethal plover]

for a bad team I will probably get FS just for that rez

[wicked grove]

I am the only "frontline" for my group

[bright raft]

do we go for the upgrades ;P

[wicked grove]

So I often don't have the choice of the whole idea

I don't mind

[meager plinth]

hell yes

[wicked grove]

I control the pace of the group

I don't really go down unless there's some BS

[magic burrow]

also maintaining warp charges becomes nigh impossible when you have veterans who are convinced you using BB = handy headshot indicator aura

[meager plinth]

funny glowing head

[wicked grove]

When vets deprive me of charges I get sad

Like dude...Im trying to maintain 4 charges..

[magic burrow]

imagine if psykers could take ammo and deprive vets of their resource for the lulz

[wicked grove]

I have to tell my group to not pop my blue heads

Because I need warp charges

[meager plinth]

tbh even as psyker I get tempted to kill the funny glowy heads first

[lethal plover]

warp upkeep should not be vital to your strats. the game wouldn't be fun that way.

[tired estuary]

Me playing zealot while a vet is grabbing grenade pickups and spamming them on every group of poxwalkers

[lethal plover]

just get psychic communion and flayer and stop worrying about it so much

[wicked grove]

Tbh the zealot is NOT a very fun class.

[tired estuary]

idk I enjoy it

[meager plinth]

yeah but what if I dont want to use those two

[wicked grove]

The idea of the martyr doesnt work when your own charge gets stopped by a gunner

[meager plinth]

you need 6 warp charges to kill gunners with ascending blazes

[wicked grove]

Your ult is about movement and you get stunlocked out of it

[tired estuary]

Just gotta use it appropriately

[sly thunder]

Then you’re shit outta luck because Psyker only works with highly specialised builds :)

[meager plinth]

B)

[tired estuary]

and sometimes just shoot things with a gun instead

[wicked grove]

Don't you love psyker...only hyper specialized builds that goes counter to normal common sense

[lethal plover]

you should at least get communion if you want warp upkeep. otherwise you have to keep BB-ing all the time. This actually lowers your gameplay effectiveness

[wicked grove]

I get communion+flayer

cuz I don't need charges outside of peril resist, and CDR bonus for it on use of ult

[meager plinth]

communiun is a must unfortunately, but id rather have psykinetic aura so I can apply soulblaze more often

[wicked grove]

Psyker just needs a feat rebalancing

It's such a hassle to level

[finite gazelle]

Ngl I was headshotting every bb attempt the other day for a laugh

[lethal plover]

ults are very generous in this game. you don't need to worry about cooldowns.
Save them for when your team needs rescuing. that's not very often.

[pine iris]

I don't have to keep my eyes open for level 1&2 when I run this staff

[wicked grove]

You're the worst to play with as a psyker

[meager plinth]

thats the thing, its ascending blaze so I use it to kill instead of defense, with CDR I could do both

[finite gazelle]

Not my fault it highlights the head ever so perfectly

[primal aurora]

I bet your teammate psykers were holding hands up to strangle you instead of casting bb

[wicked grove]

Literally let us keep our fuckin stacks dude

We dont take your ammo

leave us the fuck alone

[pine iris]

this guy does the job too

[meager plinth]

Im gonna take all of their ammo

[jaunty atlas]

let's remember we still have more psykers than ogryns.

[wicked grove]

YOU LUCKY BITCH

You have the god roll

[finite gazelle]

He's a mate, I was doing it for a bit of banter. He was big mad but found it funny after we cleared

[summer prairie]

not convinced exorcist is good on a FS

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. the only problem with this weapon is : not an antax

[meager plinth]

average antax propaganda

[lethal plover]

I don't care if vets take the BB. It means the vets are paying attention.

[wicked grove]

Deflector+Kinetic Deflection

Literally stop trollin

[primal aurora]

my best is this, but I prefer running an axe

[wicked grove]

It's really nice for pubs/groups without ogs

[summer prairie]

antax lets you afk while meleeing but it doesn't feel like it has the best horde clear

[fringe agate]

The quote at the end killed me here my kin

[jaunty atlas]

you don't get me. the blessings are good. they would be better on a antax if we have dedicated psyker martial arts

and not a dumb clone on vet

[frigid marten]

you can clear horde with mauler and rager inside

[wicked grove]

We need more force weapons

:/

[lethal plover]

yep, you're also very safe

[summer prairie]

well I would be using surge against those

[pine iris]

I can't wait to rebless this

[lethal plover]

the best you can do with force sword is doing that QQ macro for hordes
which is gonna be fixed / nerfed definitely

[wicked grove]

QQ macro?

[ebon jolt]

That’s already pretty good. I’d use it. Roll that crit chance into 25% flak armor damage.

[wicked grove]

There's a fuckin macro to this shit

People take this game way too fuckin serious

xD

[pine iris]

I like it, it's fun to use

[wicked grove]

This aint esports

[jaunty atlas]

there's a macro for everything

[lethal plover]

do you like clicking for every lasgun shot ?
how many shots in a game?

[jaunty atlas]

macro is what made the modern times

[meager plinth]

an antax like this is perfect for hordes

[wicked grove]

Laughs in plasgun

[jaunty atlas]

but it cannot deflect bullets, sadly

[lethal plover]

no ammo against gunmen, which is what people need vets for

[wicked grove]

If someone needs to optimize the last bit of challenge in this kiddie pool of content...

Then that's depressing

[lethal plover]

bolter / plasma is now the secondary gun, only used when someone has a lasgun already

[meager plinth]

my perfeclty chiseled face will deflect bullets

[wicked grove]

In my playgroup there's like 4 vet mains

[lethal plover]

then you have enough space

[wicked grove]

But usually im jus the psyker

Who's the frontline and support

[summer prairie]

catachan mkiv light-heavy combo cleaves the whole screen horizontally

[wicked grove]

idk how the fuck I live..but I do

[valid lake]

oh its prob going to get nerfed

[lethal plover]

[wicked grove]

tbh psyker if we get a feat rework

Peril blocking for sure will get hit

[meager plinth]

even if they double the amount of peril you get its still gonna be really strong

[wicked grove]

Psyker has like 5 dead feats

[compact cargo]

Closer to 9

[pine iris]

hmm might keep this this way for crowd control monster

[wicked grove]

I can make a case for a few

[jaunty atlas]

dead feets. a modern problem

[lethal plover]

to be honest, even if peril blocking is nerfed it's still probably gonna be viable
because I never really wait for peril to max, I just need to block a few hits

[primal aurora]

I will cry if peril blocking would increase block efficiency based on warp charges instead of what it does now

[compact cargo]

A few work only with x blessing or x weapon*

[valid lake]

all the feats dont feel great and if you have tired other classes

[wicked grove]

At least vet feats are good

[frigid marten]

it can be ok if they change how war charges work

[wicked grove]

They're doing what they are designed to do

[valid lake]

yeah vet feels the most cooked and worked on

[wicked grove]

Psyker just...has so many dead feats

[pine iris]

vet is BORING to play

[meager plinth]

wrack n ruin pov

[wicked grove]

Zealot needs temp hp

Ogryn I havent played

But I heard people dont like the fact he is only wanted for his shield

and the fact he is boring to play

[primal aurora]

Veterans can sense enemies through walls and shit whole grenades each minute, but they call Psyker mutants...

[runic hornet]

most serious ogyrn mains will tell you shield is a massive crutch

the literal kind

[ebon jolt]

I would recommend 25% flak or 25% unarmored. Leaning towards flak.

[wicked grove]

I don't see alot of super serious ogryn mains.

[runic hornet]

as in "helps people who are badly off and if it gets kicked out from under them they don't know what to do"

[runic hornet]

this is also a fair point lol

[wicked grove]

The ogryn mains are never in my games

[runic hornet]

most ogyrn mains are in it for the memes

club and stubber let's goooo

[wicked grove]

I get dudes who are used to playing vet but they wanna do something new so they go onto ogryn or zealot

[runic hornet]

realistically ogyrn is best off with cleaver (raw damage output is best by a long, long mile, other options have niche utility but cleaver is by far and away highest horde clear damage)

[wicked grove]

Its fine cuz I can work around em with surge staff

I do my job and I help keep the ogryn hold the line

[runic hornet]

and either grenade gauntlet or rumbler. Ripper is decent as a tech pick but don't pick it first for most groups

[wicked grove]

But most of my group don't have ogryns

[lethal plover]

I favor rumbler. team needs the crowd control.

[fair axle]

Finalmente! After 4 weeks of being stuck with the same surge staff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7KaMDHoGs&t=185

[runic hornet]

i play a lot of ogyrn rumbler and it's why I decided to try trauma psyker so seriously

[wicked grove]

They have zealots and vets

[runic hornet]

Trauma psyker is better than an ogyrn in the "mass CC role", I've found, surprisingly. You lack the tankiness and melee power but you do "explosions all the time" better.

[wicked grove]

there's only like 3 psykers in my group

[wicked grove]

I hate the trauma staff going 0-100 super fast

It's insane

It's worse than sienna conflag staff.

[meager plinth]

now imagine that if the surge could use the blazing spirit blessing and apply soulblaze

[lethal plover]

quietitude axe autoquell

[runic hornet]

you have to be comfortable, like very comfortable, playing other classes first, I think
preferably zealot
and preferably 3K hours in vermintide 2 because you're crazy

[valid lake]

shield is a trap its useful but it doesn't do anything

[wicked grove]

Force Sword with Deflector.

[runic hornet]

basically you play like a zealot except every 7-10 seconds you pull out 2.5 frag grenades

[lethal plover]

you don't use trauma every second
you use trauma in bursts

[fair axle]

Which is just down right silly it can't.. Surge and Purgatus don't get any good blessings.. I hope it's an oversight

[runic hornet]

then you grab your melee weapon and passive quell 100-0

then blow up another 2.5 grenades when they're ready

[lethal plover]

FS is actually bad to pair with trauma. the auto-quell is bad and you will be reminded of peril all the time

for the axe it's just like a lot of toughness regen

[runic hornet]

well honestly not having a forcesword deflector is one of the most glaring weaknesses of trauma

[wicked grove]

tbh Im the frontline for my team 90% of the time.

[runic hornet]

you don't get that pocket deflector for clutch revies and general safety

[wicked grove]

So having a deflector FS is super clutch

[runic hornet]

purgatus gets away with it, voidstrike gets awya with it

surge can get punished but it's surge staff

[fair axle]

Not having an FS with Deflector means you need to rely on your team actually being.. competent and 90% of randoes are not competent.

[compact cargo]

Just grab axe instead, avoids headaches

[wicked grove]

When they're not on Im doing heresy/damnations with randos

[meager plinth]

btw, how does the toughness regeneration speed curio perk work? does it really just make it so the delay between the coherency toughness regen is shorter?

[vestal finch]

Use a catachan sword.

[static mist]

anyone know the rarity of Deflector? I am 144 hours in and Ive never seen it, its gotta be rare right?

[wicked grove]

so the FS w/ deflector is chefs kiss

[wicked grove]

Buy up ALL the FS.

[fair axle]

That's easy. It doesn't work at all 🙂

[wicked grove]

Then just upgrade until you get it

[vestal finch]

I got one as an Emperor's Gift.

[meager plinth]

real

[runic hornet]

I got one in the beta, at level 20

[wicked grove]

Literally that's how you get it

Buy up any fs you see

[lethal plover]

deflector is nice to have, but if I don't have it, I just don't run straight into gunners, and let the lasgun teammates clear them
even with deflector I don't overestimate my capabilities. It's mainly for positioning, but someone still has to gun down the gunmen.

[runic hornet]

I have played... 300 hours of darktide.

I found an updated level 30 force sword w/ deflector last night.

That is how rare FS deflector is. It's also dev confirmed to be intentional.

[lethal plover]

or zap the gunmen with surge.

[wicked grove]

I finally got my level 30 deflector

[lethal plover]

axe surge is therefore very viable thanks to surge

[wicked grove]

Now I have to reroll for quell/exorcist

[static mist]

I would but my shop hasnt delivered a FS of any rarity in at least 20 hours of gameplay. Will start that though good call

[fair axle]

Yes, for real.. It's been tested by people.. It doesn't
Increase toughness generated by: Melee, Coherency or other sources
Decrease the ticks between toughness generation
Decrease the time before toughness start generating

[compact cargo]

My deflector has very subpar 300 base stats, idc, won't be finding one like it for a while

[wicked grove]

rip

[meager plinth]

hopefully when the reblessing functions will be added, we can make good use of deflectors for better weapons

[cyan notch]

what does it do then

[meager plinth]

prob nothing

[runic hornet]

knowing fatshark, absolutely nothing because someone wrote a line of code that doesn't check for that stat when toughness got "fixed" from the bleed-through

[fair axle]

Apparently.. Nothing 🙂

[runic hornet]

That's my hypothesis

[meager plinth]

so if your curio have toughness regen speed, its a wasted slot rn

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/toughness-regeneration-speed-on-curio-bug/69379

[fair axle]

Yet another thing that bricks a curio yes

[runic hornet]

the toughness hack fix they implemented in two stages (because they made it OP the first time around) probably broke toughness-regen curio stat

[junior sentinel]

hi guys. does this stack with flame staff?? thanks

[meager plinth]

yes

[compact cargo]

no

[lethal plover]

yes. that's the whole reason it's not complete dogshit

[runic hornet]

yes
but 4 stacks is literally nothing

you apply 4 stacks by sneezing with purgatus

[compact cargo]

The soulblaze stacks are applied incorrectly with purgatus

[runic hornet]

Wait, what do you mean "incorrectly"

[compact cargo]

Instead of been exponential like if u apply em with feats

[junior sentinel]

so i use the one with brainburst better?

[compact cargo]

they just add up

which hampers the damage hard

[ebon sedge]

• melee damage on weakpoint also doesn't work

[runic hornet]

is THAT why purgatus seems so weak beside zealot flamer

I thought it was just the lower cap on stacks

[meager plinth]

wasent that fixed?

idk what works or doesnt work anymore

[compact cargo]

It's why running the lvl 30 feat that ignites hordes "feels" so much stronger than purgatus

[junior sentinel]

armory dont want to sell me staff all guns 🥲

[lethal plover]

test again to see if it's fixed

[compact cargo]

idk tested it in the beta

[lethal plover]

test again

[fair axle]

Zealot Flamers have a higher base damage at 21, we get.. 16.
Zealot Flamers gets access to Soulblaze - we don't

[compact cargo]

on it

[meager plinth]

wait flamers can do soulblaze what?

[fair axle]

You didn't know?

[meager plinth]

no?

[fair axle]

They get Blazing Spirit on their Flamers

[ebon sedge]

what's blazing spirit

[fair axle]

Soulblaze on crit

[static mist]

do flamers crit for that to proc?

[meager plinth]

soulblaze on crit

the direct flame yes not the dot

[static mist]

ah good to know thanks

[meager plinth]

is there video/pictures of this?

[fair axle]

Or they did.. It may have been changed for Blaze Away now

[meager plinth]

[ebon sedge]

can u link the website please?

[lethal plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/flamers/artemia-mk-iii-purgation-flamer

[runic hornet]

that site has shittons of misinfo

[meager plinth]

part of it was old datamine stuff

not reliable

rip 30% damage reduction on curio

[fair axle]

Dunno, I saw a guy in Steam say how it would pair with Blazing Spirit and to test it out in Meat Grinder..

[runic hornet]

as a zealot main I have never seen "on crit" with flamers though

[meager plinth]

the burning effect from infernus does pair with soulblaze

[runic hornet]

there's showstopper but I'm not even sure what that does

i've never seen it proc

[lethal plover]

how would anyone even test this

[meager plinth]

shoot an enemy with an infernus weapon till it burns then apply soulblaze

both DoT will tick seperately

[lethal plover]

then that's not pairing

you made it sound like they combine

it's just separate

[compact cargo]

My bad, stats now add properly...bit inneficient but they do

[meager plinth]

both of them working at the same time is pairing, one overwriting the other would be the opposite

[lethal plover]

not overwriting

adding to the exponential stack

[thorny crypt]

as a psyker we should free our friends from humans and stop powering up the emperors throne

[lethal plover]

that would be great, but it's not here

[meager plinth]

point is, both of them work together

[thorny crypt]

we should not fight for humans but team up with heretics

[meager plinth]

good luck getting a good infernus gun tho

[thorny crypt]

our families are chained up in emperors throne room to power the pointless corpse

lets form a rebel party and slay humans

[meager plinth]

this is the closest I got to a recent infernus

[lethal plover]

infernus is only really meant for big bosses

[meager plinth]

and bulwarks/reapers

could be decent if it could be slapped on a shredder autopistol

with cavalcade, anything not killed by your initial burst would be finished by the burn

30% crit rate with a 13.33/s firerate, collateral and a bit of suppression to top it off

inspiring barrage for survivability or powerburn for more utility

[warped perch]

YES

[meager plinth]

maybe nurgle aint half bad

[idle bay]

Siblings, does any of you played with "Hunting grounds" modifier? How bad it is?

[meager plinth]

hes like that weird grandpa no one knows is from

the issue with hunting ground is that its basically just that

just more dogs

nothing particularly interesting, just more dogs

very easy to counter with purgatus m1, surge, void or your ability

[idle bay]

Or block+push 🙂

[meager plinth]

or a single barrel

[idle bay]

I wonder how long will be allowed to enjoy boosted passive peril quell on non-force sword weapons....

[finite gazelle]

Just dogs every minute or so, mainly 2, seen 3 a few times

[ornate hamlet]

Nothing special or bad, just teaches you how to dodge. BB their ass when they run off

[meager plinth]

yea its usually 2 dogs at the same time

[idle bay]

YES 🙂 That's waht i look for if i'm alone and i hear dog

[meager plinth]

find yourself a nice barrel and prepare to boop its nose

basically just like deep rock galactic

[idle bay]

I never tried to dodge a hound 🙂 I dealt with them in other ways

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't know you can dodge most of these enemies, I'm having a blast trying to dodge them all 🤣

Also up until recently I didn't know you could dash while using bb to avoid people hitting you whilst you do it

But yeah I agree, adding more hounds as a "special" condition just feels a bit lame.

[old lily]

rate this drop I just got

[meager plinth]

like, compared to lights out or ventilation purge, this one is mid

[idle bay]

It should be Trappers + Hound to make whole team pinned down when encounter starts 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah I really like lights out

[meager plinth]

trappers maybe but only if they dont spawn during hordes

[idle bay]

Ventilation Purge is on-modifier - pretty much the same as normal mode. Lights out though.. Backtab after backstab after backstab after backstab

[meager plinth]

losing a match cuz your entire team is pinned down is kinda mid

if hunting grounds would affect enemy behaviors like having active patrols of gunners moving arround, trappers walking about with 2 dogs beside them etc etc

would be nicer

[sick mulch]

You are psychotic

[idle bay]

I simply transmitted Fatshark mindset - i know how they love to make players suffer 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine a special condition like, "Cargo Point" or something. 6 chests with random number of plasteel inside defended by 6-7 elites and 1-2 of those bulwarks or shit

Randomly put on the map

[sick mulch]

Hounds should just be a common enemy on hunting grounds

[idle bay]

I prefer to play in Low-Intensity... just to chill and farm mats

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe as a side objective rather than special condition

[meager plinth]

or to have like, an auspex scanner which can lead you to a side area with a miniboss for loot

[sick mulch]

Low intensity is nice when I don't want to get ramranchd by hordes

[jaunty atlas]

better modifier : carpet bombing, you have no other elite than bombers, but they throw twice as fast.

[weak galleon]

i'm starting to hate playing with zealots.
Rush ahead, never look back, you are faced with 2 crushers, 3 berserkers, a mauler or two, a hound and a horde, tagging them profusely, only for 2 zealots in the front pay 0 attention until you go down.
Rinse repeat 2 times in same match.

[frigid marten]

the Houndmaster a trapper boss that keep spawn hounds until killed.

[meager plinth]

he throws hounds at you

like baseballs

mach5 dog

[jaunty atlas]

well the problem is not the zealot but game awareness, it's fixed by playing more, everything is good

[runic hornet]

what diff are you on

because honestly I did some pub 2s and 3s to meme and good god I legit felt like the odds of success were lower than ehresy because of how absolutely braindead the pubs were

[weak galleon]

Somehow I only ever noticed it from them.
it was a pub heresy quickplay with dog modifier.

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. a great unclean could do that. interesting concept. never join fatshark please

[feral crater]

If you wanna make players suffer... Bring new enemy faction. Eldar. Everything is invisible and pins you down and bursts you down 😄

[weak galleon]

normally this doesn't happen on heresy+

[runic hornet]

gigantic F

yeah I had a group with a level 30 veteran who died to literally every horde

not an exaggeration