psyker-class

[night marten]

if every single time you get a charge a dangerous enemy gets 4 stacks, it could actually be good

[analog juniper]

dont tell me you run that on Damnation instead of flayer

[burnt python]

flayer is so fucking useless lmao

[bleak tulip]

that feat is on the same tier as warp battery and kinetic flayer btw, its so outclassed it might as well literally not exist

[night marten]

do you run flayer with purge????

[kindred edge]

So what's the recommended feat setup for purge staff? I tried a decent one yesterday and had a bad time.

[eager nexus]

Yeah, with the ascendant blaze perk combined with that you're going to be doing max damage all the time

[burnt python]

1k dmg every 15 seconds

[lethal plover]

Yeah if you use the feat alone it doesn't mean much. It has to be on top of purg staff to really get the exponential increase on an elite

[analog juniper]

of course

[night marten]

oh man

[analog juniper]

why would you not?

[burnt python]

its not good, its the best choice if you have no use of the other 2 but its not good

rather just run 6 charges for bb breakpoints

[night marten]

what for? you can't limit your staff damage to elites, so often as not you're BB'ing poxwalkers

once every 15 seconds...

[fresh reef]

Dude has the choice of 6 warp charges or 1k damage every 15s, and instead goes for the thing that tickles a single elite enemy

[bleak tulip]

not having flayer to try out the doshit that is kinetic overload made me realize how fucking annoying it is to generate charges without it, even with a flamer and AB

like, AB is neato for flamer to get more charges faster but it still is just dicerolls

[burnt python]

pressing AB into a damnation horde insta-refills your charges more often than not

[bleak tulip]

yeah I bet its just yknow

warp charges

lol

[burnt python]

can't argue w/ that lol

warp charges bad

[lethal plover]

I never take flayer for purg builds

[burnt python]

will test KO more later

[mellow valley]

just love how they didnt change anything with pick'n'mix just the tracking and the discription 😄

[burnt python]

KO impossible to test accurately in meat grinder cus no density

[hard breach]

Soo.... What you guys think about the surge staff not blurs like crazy? I'm not sure i like it. Think it's possibly more straining for the eyes?

[night marten]

jesus

[lone canopy]

Needs a "spawn horde" button for meat grinder

[burnt python]

its turrible

[mellow valley]

trolling of the highest order

[lethal plover]

Yeah you need big horde to see the ramp of purge staff

[olive ember]

Zealots over there malding about not having their new shiny toy meanwhile psykers are just at the acceptance phase already

[brave token]

purge staff no op??

[celest oar]

pretty sure we all hate it, except that one guy

[lone canopy]

Bit nauseating

[night marten]

I think I procced KO twice on a single pack and a damnation rager just died

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023/29

[analog juniper]

KO is just pointless

[fresh reef]

Purge insanely good

[brave token]

purge staff now op??

[night marten]

it really has potential since it's focusing elites at a decent range

[hard breach]

Don't think this is the way to make it feel more "Impactful" Who was this fucking madman?

[whole epoch]

Okay what the HELL did that last update do to quelling peril? I can't cancel the Purgatus cast anymore and I blow myself up reaching 100% from <97%, just exploded myself from casting at 80%.

[night marten]

yesterday I thought so too, now I don't know

[analog juniper]

not enough stacks, not frequent enough

[burnt python]

i mean if you say so man

[night marten]

there's no way. use communion, AB, and purge

[magic burrow]

I feel like if I wanted to play a flamer I'd go level a zealot instead

[burnt python]

i hav ea feeling you havent tried a straight purge build if you are strugglign for charge generation

im not advocating for KO on anything outside a purge build

and i have not yet tested in game since patch

[analog juniper]

I mean it doesnt apply enough soulblaze stacks to be useful

[humble bluff]

trauma staff is so bugged

[night marten]

sec, I'll see if I can test

[fresh reef]

Hmm yes, where the draw anim takes two years, it needs ammo, and you gimp yourself on being able to kill ranged enemies

[burnt python]

soul blaze stacks do not scale linearly - purge reaches cap easily, and KO can surpass cap

[teal needle]

Hold up, I use flayer because fuck trying to keep warp charges up but the damage calculation isn't so simple. +8% or whatever damage from 2 warp charges is probably competitive with 1k damage every 15ish seconds

[olive ember]

warp battery > KF on purge builds

the 6 stack burn is kinda needed at higher difficulties to kill things in a timely manner

[magic burrow]

dont worry, they'll add a timetravel wibbly wobbly effect to the trauma staff when youre charging it, pat eachother on the back and call it a day

[burnt python]

it's not about the dmg buff from charges, it's about the bb breakpoints that it allows you to reach

[leaden pier]

i want crit chance for purge right?

[burnt python]

yes unless they change this shit again

for nwo that is what you want

[sage flower]

what does critting do for you?

[jaunty moth]

roll till u get t4 crit chance

[olive ember]

You don’t run KF for the damage you run it for extra upkeep on charges

[burnt python]

purge crits apply 2x dot stack instead of 1

[olive ember]

It’s a free refresh every 15 seconds

[burnt python]

or somethign similar to that effect

[shut thorn]

@celest oar oi, sprint with your qq click, lmao its a buff from the patch

[empty granite]

Do we know the base crit chance of weapons?

[sage flower]

ah. thanks

[burnt python]

5% for most

[lethal plover]

For me it's the fact that AB with 6 charges will positively clear a horde fast when I'm already purging

[leaden pier]

also did they nerf the fs warp attack?

[empty granite]

Is that documented anywhere? And I assume weapons like Tac Axe with Crit Bonus give additive crit percent?

[fresh reef]

Fr, trash mob delete button

[leaden pier]

i find myself not oneshotting the heavy gunners on malice

[whole epoch]

Am I just supposed to play Veteran now? Get those 4 Vet squads instead of 3 Vet 1 Psyker every game?

[burnt python]

there were ppl in zealot channel testing a while back, from what i remember: stock = 5%, tac axes up to 12% based on crit stat, dagger 30%

[hard breach]

Were they not supposed to do something with the force sword? Swear i saw something in the note saying something about an explosion or something when using the special on it

[burnt python]

combat axes 10% iirc

[shut swallow]

Alright who in here is frothing mad about the brain burst quell nerf?

[celest oar]

yea but that throws you into a horde and you will have problems

[night marten]

@analog juniper two KO procs kill an armored rager on damnation. it's actually good with purge staff changes 100%

[sage flower]

they made it a bigger visual explosion, but didn't change any mechanics

[empty granite]

Same with ranged weapons? Also, I assume the crit chance is based on the flame ticks per second the Purg staff applies during the secondary flame stream?

[fresh reef]

It's a bug

[burnt python]

i honestly have no idea, i assume its teh same

[shut thorn]

It's moreso the fact you can sprint w/o penalty while swinging

[clear heath]

It was in the gameplay section yesterday, making everyone think it would actually aoe.
They moved it to the vfx section just before the patch

[shut swallow]

I literally sighed in relief. Cheers dude.

[burnt python]

and yes based on the ticks per second from attack

[tardy flower]

Solo monster on heresy with BB and quell change

[bleak tulip]

is that acknowledged?

[burnt python]

crits do not proc on the dot

[shut thorn]

is it? it seems programmed specifically

[tired cosmos]

For a new player leveling like me. What's starts on curios are best for psykers? Wounds, Toughness, extrahealth, then perks should I look out for?

[fresh reef]

Yep. Seems to happen any time you hit 100 peril more than twice it seems, and it happens with everything

[empty granite]

Good to know, but my question was the crit chance applies to each instance of flame damage from the flame stream, not the burn dot.

[celest oar]

dont play psyker

[burnt python]

Yes, each instance of the flame stream

[shut thorn]

I just realized, what if peril quell delay was the first attempt to fix sprint cancelling? What if we're the reason the patch got delayed

[tired cosmos]

@celest oar jesus

[analog juniper]

Look at how long that takes, plus you have to be at max warp charges, plus get two extra? to kill 1 guy?

[leaden pier]

are heresy missions still plagued by the hi intensity bug?

[shut swallow]

I would avoid health curios, since psyker has such low base HP anyway. Take toughness and maybe an extra wound.

[night marten]

bro.. in heresy damnation, sitting at 4 charges takes seconds

for real

[burnt python]

it applies to each instance of the flame stream ticking

[night marten]

for every charge after that you're dropping a lot of passive damage

[teal needle]

Remember when I said force sword explosion was gonna be poopy

[night marten]

if any elites get mixed in with a huge horde, they're going to actually fucking melt

[burnt python]

im pretty sure it was their attempt to fix the quell cancel, not sprint cancel

[celest oar]

no

[burnt python]

aka machine gun void

but they failed

[celest oar]

quell cancel is only for recovery frames

[long wharf]

okay, I noticed I was actually killing specialist with purge

[bleak sonnet]

did brainburst get buffed

[sage flower]

so can someone clarify, purge staff kills count as soulblaze kills?

[celest oar]

nerfed more like

[night marten]

surge staff was buffed.

[burnt python]

right, but they appear to have limited how many times you can press quell while at high peril in a time frame

[long wharf]

no.

[bleak sonnet]

how so

cba to read patch notes

[night marten]

no, only dot damage from purge staff (for AB 10% chance, or any other mention of kills via soulblaze). direct staff damage does not count

[lone canopy]

It isn't in the patch notes from what I saw

[long wharf]

tough, go read it

[lone canopy]

Maybe I am blind

[long wharf]

maybe you aren't

[shut swallow]

Nerfed actually 🙂 we now have a quell delay on staves and brain burst. Not that it was put in the patch notes

[eager nexus]

What? Where is that confirmed?

[sage flower]

ah, so not the direct fire, but still pretty good chance of getting an AB proc with purgatus staff

[celest oar]

1. 100% peril hard lock, hitting 100% peril twice in a row prevents active quelling for 2 secs
2. Surge is now a strobe light
3. Sprint cancel no longer works to prevent 100% peril explosion
4. dueling sword sprint dash now sucks
5. All weapons can no longer increase movement speed using heavy attack + slide

[burnt python]

psyker as a whoel got nerfed, purge got buffed

[night marten]

testing. not confirmed by fatshark anywhere

[bleak sonnet]

damn, guess i didn't have to read it

[kindred edge]

Is 1-2-1-1-2-2 a good setup for purge staff?

[bleak sonnet]

ty, guess im not reinstalling the game

[lethal plover]

To be fair, power sword of vet is also nerfed
While force sword special is buffed

[burnt python]

yep

[sage flower]

A lot of these movement changes are disappointing. movement techniques are fun.

[long wharf]

force sword wasn't buffed at all

[manic turret]

FatShark seems to have confirmed everything else as a bug except the quell lockout

[celest oar]

current exploits for pysker
1. Sprint cancel is used to prevent exploding at 100% peril, you sprint right before attack animation ends - Fixed
2. Quell cancel is used to remove / reduce recovery frames, you press R the moment bolt / flame leaves staff
3. Switch cancel involves switching to a weapon and switching back immediately after, this is abusable on forcesword as it is the ONLY weapon that can attack immediately on being drawn

[eager nexus]

I like the new surge staff animation. It feels beefier.

[burnt python]

fs change didnt make it thru apparently

[long wharf]

they added some VFX

[night marten]

yea I think it is. KO feels really good when it procs twice on anything, focuses elites and has a nice range, and purge staff melts pretty hard now

[wild pilot]

I am quite rustled by the changes

[finite gazelle]

Damn, now I'm happy I've been leveling my vet

[regal basin]

It feels beefier sure but it also hurts to see before a mission is over.

[long wharf]

my jimmies are thoroughly ruffled by the VFX added to surge

completely unnecessary

[sage flower]

it strains my eyes. There should be an option to tone it down.

it strains my eyes even if I'm not the psyker using it.

[lethal plover]

Oy vey another ER peep

[clear heath]

It feels unhealthy to focus on the screen when i play surge

[lone canopy]

I may go back to work on zealot. idk. I really enjoy psyker though. Like, I had so much fun with her this whole time. I'd hate to give up.

[empty granite]

Can you believe that Power Sword had NO damage falloff for hitting multiple targets?

[bleak sonnet]

another buff to gun psyker 😎

[finite gazelle]

Oh shit how have we been bro

[nimble hornet]

I am a newbie, is the brain magic attack my only move in the beginning? 🥹

[wild pilot]

Im just gonna go level zealot, atleast that class feels finished

[sage flower]

I heard the changes to force sword special were purely visible.

[clear heath]

I actually just look away from the screen and kinda just have it in my peripheral vision when i played surge. Fully focusing on it is uncomfortable

[burnt python]

idk if its my graphics settings or what but i se e 0 change

[empty granite]

This is true

[whole epoch]

It's your only move period

[manic turret]

Yes, until you find a staff in the shop.

[lethal plover]

This game is pretty gud but I don't know what the duck the balance team is doing

[lone canopy]

v true I "tuned" it out in general

[mild tartan]

Hows the update boys? anything significant?

[eager nexus]

That sucks. I didn't think about people who have sensitivity to flashing lights.

[frigid hemlock]

You get the other staves pretty quick. Your feats don't start synergizing till later though.

[celest oar]

psyker nerfed

[long wharf]

yes, some surprisingly so

[regal basin]

if your looking to use psychic powers you have 3 ways of doing so, 1 is brainburst, 2 if a force swords special move, 3 is the staffs

[finite gazelle]

Got another v2 situation it seems, game will be finished in another year. And yeah balance team be wildin

[humble saddle]

no

[mild tartan]

Epic

[nimble hornet]

Aw I see thank you, I was worried I missed something

[eager nexus]

How was Pysker nerfed?

[hard breach]

Effectively yes with what they did to the surge staff

[sage flower]

It really was a mistake to put build defining feats at the end.

[clear heath]

the biggest nerf was to my eyes

[humble saddle]

no longer cancelling?

[frigid hemlock]

Nope, you unlock em as you level.

[lone canopy]

It's a bit of a PITA to level in the beginning but hang in there

[celest oar]

^

[wild pilot]

The entire psyker feat tree is a mess tbh

[hard breach]

Try it. You'll understand when you do

[surreal egret]

6 charges or 10% bb chance on 4/5 ? 😄

[regal basin]

quelling from 100 is objectively nerfed, and surge staff is now unusable for a lot of players, those are nerfs

[lone canopy]

Need BB to scale for psyker feat tree to make a little more sense

[humble saddle]

yeah i see it, it's a tweak not a nerf

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/delay-on-using-quell/69075
We'll see if Fat fish says it's a nerf or bug

[burnt python]

tis a nerf lol

[hard breach]

So the blur thing is not extremely nasuating to you?

[night marten]

with what staff?

[nimble hornet]

Sounds good!

[burnt python]

not sure how you can see it otherwise

[humble saddle]

no

[surreal egret]

flame

[true shadow]

nerf the weakest class! yay!

[night marten]

don't run flayer with flame. use KO or 6 charges

[lone canopy]

I mean I'm not opposed to the balance team trying stuff but why skip adding it to the notes?

[celest oar]

its okay, the two funniest exploits still work

[wild pilot]

Jesus I am so mad, gonna touch some grass

[surreal egret]

Okey, 6x charges on flamestaff?

[mild tartan]

It does feel odd when everyone else can kill elites faster... and has more health... and has more useful feats and talents, and more useful equipment

[lethal plover]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023/29

[lone canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[wild pilot]

This class was already the messiest and they take another dump into it

[hard breach]

Well lucky you. People disagree i guess. I wish i could turn it off

[wild pilot]

Im gone

[lone canopy]

nooooo

[lethal plover]

Not even kidding I'm gonna wait until Christmas to see if anything is fixed here

[lone canopy]

We can't give up

[finite gazelle]

So I take it running pysker in damnantion is throwing now?

[celest oar]

just gonna run all the exploits for pysker until they buff the damn class

[finite gazelle]

Now that surge got cucked?

[celest oar]

or quit if they decide to nerf further for no reason

[lone canopy]

I mean surge is just cucked visually

[lethal plover]

Peril block axe and purge still good

[lone canopy]

Just don't look at it

[eager nexus]

How is Psyker underpowered?

[burnt python]

ogryns do not seem very happy w/ their new maul lol

[lethal plover]

Surge will be fixed soon they acknowledged

[celest oar]

it dosent even exist

[hard breach]

Why not?

[mild tartan]

It is lacking in terms of being an effective "elite killer" while having few other strengths not covered better by other classes

[finite gazelle]

Not a fan of purge ngl, might have to make the leap now though

[burnt python]

it does

[finite gazelle]

Or just get my vet to 30 and go from there

[celest oar]

oh it just started this hour

[finite gazelle]

Shame as I've been running psyker since beta

[idle bay]

We still have Infinite ammo, sibling 🙂

[lofty barn]

So what exactly are the psyker nerfs?

[mild tartan]

Yes the fact that we don't drain ammo is probably one of the most significant contributions we provide lmao

[undone badge]

purge feels nice now

[wild pilot]

I just cant understand their reasoning man "lets fuck with quelling because psyker is too OP" cant have been a thought made by a sane person

[lethal plover]

Vet has good ranged stuff but peril axe still king in melee. That's the main psyker advantage

[burnt python]

i've never had a single run on any class where ammo was an issue personally

[gusty tartan]

can we get Klipwc post from earlier clipped or something?

[burnt python]

except trying to use revolver

[gusty tartan]

so when it's "how is the update" just give them that lol

[tawny maple]

Can't quell straight away when you hit 100% peril

[olive ember]

Anyone know when weapons drop out of curiosity lol

[eager nexus]

Ammo is an issue if everyone is using it heavily.

[mild tartan]

Next update: Peril is gained twice as fast, chance of explosion at 75% or above

[olive ember]

oh they just came out

[gusty tartan]

How is the patch for psyker? ^this

[olive ember]

I got a crusher

[jaunty moth]

in my shop right now on my psyker lol

[burnt python]

the new weps are in

[magic burrow]

I'd like to see a veteran explode if the empty a magazine too fast

[acoustic spade]

Really? There is no weapon in the game I havent ran out of ammo on that uses ammo

[night marten]

KO effectiveness, two stacks kill armored ragers on damnation

[acoustic spade]

Ever tried Plasma Gun?

[ebon jolt]

Wut.

[burnt python]

apparently zealot maul detonates on impact the way ppl have been begging for thunder hammer to work lmao

[finite gazelle]

Been using a deflection fs. Can you redpill me on peril axe?

[eager nexus]

I'd like to see a veteran have an infinite reserve of ammo

[mild tartan]

I'm pretty sure they want people to use guns as psyker tbh

based off of loot tables alone, I see more guns than staves, curios and melee weapons combined usually

[wild pilot]

Yet they gave no feat to motivate it

[burnt python]

get mk v axe, take peril block feat, push attack to your hearts content

[lethal plover]

#psyker-class message

[eager nexus]

BB feat at 25 might be that, but it's not a heavy incentive.

[wild pilot]

Sure love all those guns stealing staff spots

[long wharf]

sad thing is, even with a purge staff, as soon as the horde is in my face, I still was more effective switching to axe

[acoustic spade]

you dont need an infinite reserve of ammo, just a few crushers and low thermal resistance on a Plasma Gun

[long wharf]

purge just doesn't kill fast enough

[burnt python]

yeah axe is busted

honestly expecting it to be nerfed

[mild tartan]

It's the only thing going for us tho 😦

[acoustic spade]

I have a higher explosion% on my Plasma Gun on Veteran than on my Psyker

[night marten]

but the FS special lookers cooler now

(I literally notice no difference)

[burnt python]

do you see a change??? i do not

ok lmao

[clear heath]

Yeah i actually can't tell

[long wharf]

just bought a crusher for my zealot

[gusty tartan]

knowing them it's probably bugged lol

[lethal plover]

Wdym axe wizard is not lore-accurate

[undone badge]

only diff for FS is the gore effects

[magic burrow]

I was under the impression that the entire appeal of Psyker was that you don't use guns

[jaunty moth]

i cant bring myself to use deflection perk cause i refuse to lose my fast movment while queling

[tardy flower]

Is the push attack larger?

[manic turret]

Both my Zealot and Psyker stores are just autoguns and swords right now 💤

[lyric hatch]

Hot take: you should only use psyker specific weapons on psyker

[finite gazelle]

Kek

[tawny maple]

Now I cant send the teammates I don't like into heaven... IRL.

[mild tartan]

is that why every loot drop I get has been a trasncendent revolver or lasgun

[clear heath]

The entire appeal for psyker is

[idle bay]

Hmmm ... in a Grinder i did notice Surge staff VFX changes, but for some reason this change totally not registered in my brain when i was playing missions, i'm too focused of combat to notice

[eager nexus]

It's more that your attacks should use warp abilities of some sort, but the game doesn't heavily incentivize it.

[empty granite]

Which one would yall prefer?

[patent hatch]

2nd

[acoustic spade]

2

[eager nexus]

Plenty of pysykers in 40k that are seen using guns

[burnt python]

1

[mild tartan]

2

[willow hazel]

What is the peril block axe?

[tardy flower]

Pistols usually

[patent hatch]

It has terrifying barrage and crazy stats so you know

[tawny maple]

take 1, its clound radius and burn you care about the most

[lethal plover]

Mk 5 antax axe

[mellow crescent]

Usually you cant spam the push attack because of stam

but with peril blocking you dont care about stam

[patent hatch]

Using the axe quietude and force block to tank daemon hosts

[eager nexus]

The MK5 Antax axe with the peril block feat.

[night marten]

@burnt python 3 KO stacks kill bulwarks

[empty granite]

Even though the Resist is not great?

[burnt python]

nice, actually really good

dont need to flank em

[mild tartan]

note you can still get broken if your stam is at 0% if you have peril block and dodge or something

[eager nexus]

Purge staff doesn't generate too much peril, and the quell will counteract that

[patent hatch]

^^^

[tawny maple]

Its purgatus, it doesnt generate much peril. Cloud radius increases the range though and burn damage scales really well

[burnt python]

burn, cloud, and dmg are all that matter on purg, everything else is a bonus

[woven crow]

Why do psykers even have gun options, it just seems like it has 0 synergy. Maybe if they had peril based melee it would work.

[patent hatch]

I barely quell with the flame staff

[empty granite]

If I re-roll a perk on a blue and consecrate, can I then re-roll the new perk on the purple?

[patent hatch]

Gin potions lmao

[night marten]

just sidestep and flame into horde, watch them melt

[acoustic spade]

I've had gunners break my block as well even when I was not dodging, but my toughness was gone

[mild tartan]

Probably thought people would think the staves are meh and they hadn't bothered finishing balancing them properly

[ebon jolt]

Nope.

[clear heath]

I only used gun psyker on day 1 of the closed beta because it was bugged where manual quell was actually worse than passive quell

[lethal plover]

Peril based melee is what they have kek

[hoary badge]

does anyone have a good clip demonstrating kinetic deflection blocking/reviving shenanigans?

[clear heath]

It was so bad. You'd quell and your peril would go down slower

[olive ember]

Not even because the "peril based melee" is just a sword with a special attack

[finite gazelle]

So did surge actually get nerfed or is it just a goofy vfx?

[woven crow]

Lol they do not

[olive ember]

It would be cool if they had a melee that actually had peril built in as its main component

[long wharf]

they fixed animation cancelling

[olive ember]

like deletes hordes but builds up peril

[long wharf]

and added the annoying VFX

[finite gazelle]

Like a play with sunglasses type of deal

[olive ember]

you can still staff switch animation cancel

[undone badge]

does purgatus perks affect the burn DOT or only the staff attacks itself?

[finite gazelle]

Damn

[night marten]

only the direct damage, not the dot

[lethal plover]

Lightning skip is gone eh

[finite gazelle]

Rip

[undone badge]

hm yeah seems nothing affects the DOT except warp charges

[night marten]

but, crits with direct damage apply 2x stacks

[acoustic spade]

Hmmh, this is a setting alright

Texture Quality not found

[night timber]

what is +8% melee critial hit damage ? upper the damage ive done when i do a crit ?

[night marten]

so crit chance is still good, and generally +damage against almost anything except carapace is good

[tawny maple]

is it?? I can still do it

[empty granite]

Which perk do I reroll on this for crit chance?

[burnt python]

have you seen any perks other than crit that are meaningful? i cant think of any others that will do anything

[ebon jolt]

That costs a resource where every other class just gets free resources 😞

[burnt python]

get rid of weak spot

[undone badge]

weak spot

[sick fractal]

get rid of Weakspot

[tawny maple]

weak spot damage seems pretty useless

[ebon jolt]

Purg does not weakspot damage.

[empty granite]

Wow ok

[night marten]

I think the staff's direct damage isn't negligible, so +damage perks aren't useless

[clear heath]

our peril based melee is just blocking lmao

[empty granite]

Lol

[night marten]

but clearly crit chance is king

[burnt python]

wish +stagger was a perk

[night marten]

you absolutely want Warp Nexus as your purge staff blessing of choice

then either flurry or terrifying barrage for preference

[ebon jolt]

Anyone find surge blessing on a staff besides void yet?

[burnt python]

someone posted a screenshot of it on trauma

[dull halo]

whats the best mission to get Malleus Monstronum done on?

[lethal plover]

How did anyone look at psyker and go BB needs nerfing

[hushed glade]

Did they change pick n mix?

[ebon jolt]

They just aren’t as impactful as they are on other staffs.

[clear heath]

oh speaking of trauma, did they fix the damage on it yet?

[night timber]

i roll crit or week spot ? 😉

[burnt python]

did not check trauma dmg but i assume no from patch notes

[ebon jolt]

That combo sounds pretty good 😧 Give me one in a Purg staff please!

[burnt python]

it only works on left click afaik

[night marten]

trauma damage still seems really weak

[buoyant mantle]

@celest oar thank you for showing me that beautiful tech , i havent laugh like that in a while

[ebon jolt]

Works on right click with void.

[empty granite]

FatShark seems to be focusing on the .01% of the high level player base that does game exploits instead of focusing on the casual gameplay, damage numbers, and overall fun factor of the classes.

[finite gazelle]

Devs play on t1/2 confirmed

[lethal plover]

Qq spam? Definitely getting fixed soon

[cold oasis]

So, the Force Sword doing aoe damage is a lie

[burnt python]

for trauma i mean

[long wharf]

or getting more than one part of the crafting system in at a time

[mild tartan]

BB is just too good bro. You might even get a burst off on an enemy before another squadmate brings it down. We can't have that

[burnt python]

it's in the "vfx" changes section, not combat

[buoyant mantle]

nah man, its the only thing we have now,

[clear heath]

It was under gameplay yesterday. They moved it to vfx just before the patch

[glacial abyss]

I did it on assassination at chasm logistratum I believe. If you’re on high intensity a boss will spawn after one of the checkpoint rooms; the boss cannot enter the checkpoint airlock thing, which makes the achievement super easy

[ebon jolt]

Boooooo.

[acoustic spade]

Surge staff looks like the vfx that usually was centered on the hand or staff

[finite gazelle]

"Toned down head highlight on brain burst as using it to help veterans get headshots was too strong"

[magic burrow]

probagbly been posted here already, but I just saw this https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-cant-quell-or-swap-weapons-after-reaching-100-peril-twice/69172

[acoustic spade]

but scale = 30x

[magic burrow]

its a bug, apparently

[mild tartan]

get a shield bro to grab a demonhost, it'll just say in the same spot and attack no one else

[olive ember]

Easiest way is to get a shield ogryn to help in LFG and find a daemon host

for MM

[night marten]

that's good news then

they'll fix it relatively quickly

[mild tartan]

Well that's a genuine relief that they're not actively trying to make things even worse lol

[buoyant mantle]

Good.

[whole epoch]

bless 🙏

[ornate hamlet]

surge staff is so annoying to look at as the psyker and as anyone else near it

[tawny maple]

That's a relief. Had two games end up lost bc of this change.

[burnt python]

trauma dmg still bugged btw

just tested

[clear heath]

incredible

[tawny maple]

Priorities lmao

[clear heath]

the beta never ends

[whole epoch]

what about purge staff, is the inability to cancel the alt fire now intended?

[dull halo]

reckon magistrati oubliette would work? its on high intensity?

[gusty tartan]

it never ends if you are a Psyker

[buoyant mantle]

[dull halo]

thanks ill try find one

[lethal plover]

At least now we know that they just crippled psyker by mistake

[tawny maple]

"Death, the only freedom our kind can know" - Loner personality, probably

[lethal plover]

From the 0 playtesting school of development

[buoyant mantle]

which when it's fixed, is still crippled

[glacial abyss]

You can try it as long as there is a checkpoint room. Don’t know about oubliette as I haven’t carried anyone through the penance on that map

[gusty tartan]

that checks out

[glacial abyss]

If u are on ms store I can carry as psyker with u

[empty granite]

Does the Veteran have as many bugs or broken interactions as any other class?

[acoustic spade]

Finally!

[dull halo]

is that the server lol? im nz

[acoustic spade]

On my lvl30 character

[glacial abyss]

nah I mean Microsoft store

[dull halo]

yeah nah steam alg tho thanks for the offer

[glacial abyss]

yeah no problem

[lethal plover]

There were quite a few bugs with bolters and the guns.

[glacial abyss]

Just remember they cannot enter the checkpoint rooms

So use that to your advantage if you have no ogryn

malleus is honestly easier than going out with a bang/pick and mix as it’s easy to get a boss to spawn

[burnt python]

ppl saying dogs are doing massively increased dmg looool

[dull halo]

i dont think i should have any issue with it, i mainly play on heresy its just actually finding lads who are willing

[glacial abyss]

Yeah most people act like goopheads

[dull halo]

pick and mix has been a pain

[hushed glade]

There better be a quick hot fix for locking out quelling, very big mistake on their part

[edgy hearth]

So is the force sword AOE just not a thing? Also hearing about stealth nerfs outside of just BB and the Surge Staff

[buoyant mantle]

pull out gun that's already loaded
proceed to pull the charging handle again

[glacial abyss]

I haven’t done going out with a bang. Shit sucks ass

[visual sand]

Force Sword change was a visual only.

[fading trout]

So what's the crack with psyker then lads? 🙂

[dull halo]

i got going out with a bang while doing pic and mix lol

[alpine oriole]

Seriously the change was only visual?

god damn

[glacial abyss]

Idk how you did that that’s lucky

[gusty tartan]

yeah they acknowledged it's a bug @hushed glade

[burnt python]

they broke attack speed buff from ogryn ult too

broke all kinds of shit

[dull halo]

there were like 10 elites, got brainbusts then was at 100% so just walked into the rest of them

was pretty lucky

[hushed glade]

Yea they acknowledged it but did not say if it would be a hot fix or next patch

[glacial abyss]

lucky lol

[acoustic spade]

there was a visual change? I saw no change on testing it in the Meating Chamber

[dull halo]

thanks for your help man appreciate it

[supple skiff]

So quell wasn’t a stealth nerf thank god

[gusty tartan]

Yeah and they probably never will till they fix it so I dunno what to tell you

[empty granite]

I mean they have to know the problem before stating when a fix can happen, so it's ok.

[gusty tartan]

could be week or could 6 I dunno

[tranquil fiber]

no just incompetence

[buoyant mantle]

yep, i wan expecting a aoe damage of FS, but ive been lied to

[tranquil fiber]

Okay that was a bit too mean i take it back

[acoustic spade]

Guess which one I am going to reroll from my Purgatus Staff

[tranquil fiber]

Mistakes happen its no ones fault

Im just a little hurt ya know

[lethal plover]

Fs special buff did not make it to the patch ppl say

[supple skiff]

The force sword change was listed under visual changes in the patch notes. Granted I also thought the same

[olive ember]

oh wow so the peril lockout is a bug

amazing

[gusty tartan]

at this point, even if I got angry about it not like it will change fuck all tbh

[olive ember]

so what did they change that somehow screwed peril over tho

they must have changed something

[gusty tartan]

so I just save my energy lol

[supple skiff]

Inner tranquility

Was changed

[lethal plover]

At least they are fixing it now

[acoustic spade]

They fixed the sprint-cancel-quell at 100%

[tranquil fiber]

eh?

[supple skiff]

Apparently it effected quelling time, that would be my guess

[olive ember]

heres hoping it comes soon

[glacial abyss]

Yeah no problem lol

[acoustic spade]

"Fixed" in big quotation marks cause it looks like its just a bandaid with side-effects

[hushed glade]

Yeah hopefully they aren’t like Respawn and fix the problem 2 months into the season

[supple skiff]

Said they fixed it. Probably introduced this quell lockout in the process

[tranquil fiber]

Someone was testing something and they broke or did not revert

[lethal plover]

Seriously is there any playtesting at all? Which testers said yes to psyker?

[acoustic spade]

Are you serious, from +1 Stamina to +15% Sprint Efficiency

[willow hazel]

So what is the meta build now with surge staff nerfed?

[burnt python]

im curious if hte purge buffs are intentional or just bugged lmao

[tranquil fiber]

Keep going

[gusty tartan]

[willow hazel]

@burnt python what are the purge buffs?

[teal cargo]

Wait what surge nerfed how?

[stark snow]

I just accept when I reroll a perk its going to be max cost until I get infinite reroll

[teal cargo]

I didnt see it in patch notes

[burnt python]

applies 2x dot stacks on crit (or something to that effect) and possibly increased flak dmg

from dot

[teal cargo]

Hidden Surge nerf?

[tranquil fiber]

Surge is a health hazard right now. Risk of seizure and nausea

[teal cargo]

whaa?

[night marten]

purge staff 121122 , just set absolutely everything on fire all the time

[teal cargo]

What does that mean?

[stark snow]

ohh that makes sense, I was hoping they would do something with crit on purg

[burnt python]

ye 1-2-1-1-2-2 is what i will be testing later

[cold oasis]

Yeah the new VFX was uploaded by Slaanesh

[acoustic spade]

Surge ups the difficulty of seeing sniper lasers now

[willow hazel]

Besides the VFX mess, you can no longer sprint cancel surge staff. Which is a huge loss to CC and damage

[acoustic spade]

its quite hard to see the red lasers now

[tranquil fiber]

Too bright, very blurry screen, flashing lights can cause people with epilepsy to have fits

[teal cargo]

Well sprint cancel surge did feel like a bug

so not surprised that got fixed

[willow hazel]

Wasn't that in vt2 also though?

[teal cargo]

There was no surge in VT2

[tranquil fiber]

think of it having beer goggles and someone goes lets spin

[burnt python]

there was no sprint either lol

[hoary warren]

is the game down? I cant get past the launcher

[alpine oriole]

So I'm testing the Force Sword in Meat Grinder too, is there actually any sort of visual change?

[forest meadow]

Surge VFX is a Bug itll be fixed in two days or something

[teal cargo]

and VT2 as soon as you hit max peril you died, and quelling took hp to do

So is a bit diff

[nimble needle]

Hey all been gone 3 hours we still bitching?

[supple skiff]

Haven’t noticed a change honestly

[teal cargo]

since usually staffs cpst a less peril

than equiv in Darktide

[orchid nest]

you can still weapon swap cancel surge and get the dmg tick immediately but you can't ride at 100% anymore endlessly with the sprint stuff

[burnt python]

just abuse purge til they realize they accidently made it good

[alpine oriole]

Same here, thought the Special Attack was supposed to be more visually bombastic now but guess not

[acoustic spade]

Wait they nerfed purgatus against carapace armor?

[teal cargo]

Fair enough, I don think surge needed it to be good anyways

[acoustic spade]

this is the maximum damage of a DoT tick I can get on a crusher now

[willow hazel]

With purge do you guys primary or secondary fire mainly?

[teal cargo]

VFX issues sound kinda bad though

[acoustic spade]

(the 20)

[burnt python]

is that different than before?

[night marten]

should not be focusing crushers with purge

[nimble needle]

Secondary with all the etaves

[burnt python]

it appears to be doing more dmg to flak, maybe that was the tradeoff

[night marten]

carapace damage was always nearly nothing

[alpine oriole]

currently testing it too and yeah oh my god I cant do any bit of damage to Crushers with a 363 base Purg staff on MALICE meat grinder

[burnt python]

purge never did shit to carapace lol

[night marten]

that's normal

[teal cargo]

So does Inner Tranquility now quell faster?

[acoustic spade]

I remember it still going up to like 30

with the same staff

[burnt python]

they have like 3500 hp

[alpine oriole]

Not from my memory, wouldn't be a way to kill them but I could at least do 1/3 to 1/2 of their health bar with a charged secondary or enough primary stacks

[supple skiff]

Another patch, another step closer to void staff supremacy

[acoustic spade]

This is me testing the damage numbers, not arguing about the efficiency of using purge on crusher

[ebon sedge]

force sword aoe, is it in the game?

[teal cargo]

Crushers malice should have like 1700 hp

[ornate hamlet]

What's this?

[alpine oriole]

patch notes say it is, not seeing it at all testing it

[analog juniper]

nothing. Just fluff on the hologram behind

[brave token]

best clear speed class now?

[clear heath]

No it was a mistake in the patch notes yesterday. They moved it to the vfx section now. It's just a visual effect

It just looks bigger

but i can't even tell

[night marten]

it's not, and has never been, efficient. it's ok for basically anything except crushers and the front of bulwarks

[clear heath]

it looks exactly the same to me

[sage yacht]

L M A O

[night marten]

mutants aren't great either

[boreal tartan]

why does the surge have to shake the screen so much

[alpine oriole]

Same here

[burnt python]

I do not know the numbers from before to compare for carapace. I'm pretty confident purge got a big buff to flak dmg though

[supple skiff]

Okay so initially it wasn’t under the visual section?

[burnt python]

soulfire buff rather i guess

[clear heath]

I'm glad it isn't noticeable, considering what it looks like when they do make noticeable visual changes (surge staff)

[clear heath]

Yeah it was under gameplay yesterday

[alpine oriole]

Also for sure this thing is doing less damage to Ogryn Elites, idc if it never did much, this is absolutely less

[burnt python]

its only doing less to crusher

[supple skiff]

Okay, was going to say no way this many folks, my self included, didn’t notice it was under visual

[night marten]

I actually don't think so, just the effects of the staff doing way more in general. Killing ragers, maulers, reapers, unarmored, and infested all faster

[burnt python]

bulwark and reaper are both flak

[acoustic spade]

Ok the 100% Peril quelling bug is funny with the FS

[supple skiff]

Fuckers got me hype and pulled the rug out from underneath

[acoustic spade]

you get a really weird animation bug

[burnt python]

gotcha

[acoustic spade]

100% Peril, quell to 97%, use FS Special, hit enemy, repeat

[robust meteor]

VFX makes me not want to use surge atm

[acoustic spade]

At some point your character looks like he puts away the sword

and takes out their hands

[clear heath]

Same. I'm glad i have other characters leveled

[acoustic spade]

and then equips the sword again

[burnt python]

sword got too hot, burnt hands

[clear heath]

Not playing psyker until they change the surge effects

[vestal finch]

Not playing psyker.

[alpine oriole]

Psyker just feels more and more depressing to play every time they touch it

[boreal tartan]

this game wants me to be a gun psyker so bad, only guns and axes in my shop

[vestal finch]

Empy even sent me a headhunter autogun, orange quality

Then they nerfed BB, my beloved

[clear heath]

I wanted damage buffs and instead they damage my eyes.
I no longer ask for anything

[acoustic spade]

Ok so

[burnt python]

gotta ask for eye dmg obv

[vestal finch]

These devs have a monkey's paw in their office and they go wish upon it whenever they want to make a change to the game

None of them know how to code

[ornate hamlet]

So I can't replace missions :/

[acoustic spade]

if the 10% autoquell passive triggers while the double quelling bug is in effect

the game just refuses to let me actively interact with peril

[night marten]

try purge staff with 121122

[acoustic spade]

for like a solid 10 seconds

[vestal finch]

double quelling bug?

[vestal finch]

I don't even want to play anymore man...

They made using BB so shit

[acoustic spade]

every other quell from 100% in a row has this 2sec lockout

[vestal finch]

Thank God I already got Pick and Mix

[night marten]

it's just a bug they acknowledged already and will be fixed

[vestal finch]

They also took away my movement tech

No more super sprinting with dueling sword

[burnt python]

damn perk rerolling actually cheap af im surprised

[vestal finch]

I guess I'm fucked whenever I see a ranged enemy now

unless I manage to upgrade my godroll force sword to have deflector

[alpine oriole]

So I cant see it scrolling up, what did they do to BB?

[vestal finch]

There's a delay of 2 seconds before you can quell if you reach 100% peril repeatedly

[alpine oriole]

ohh the Peril bug thing, thought it was something specific to BB

[empty granite]

It's only cheap if you start with a green or blue

[vestal finch]

It fucks BB especially hard

[supple skiff]

BB already had a delay on quell from 100

[alpine oriole]

Oh it absolutely does, I just thought there was a seperate issue not related to the Quell thing I already knew about

[supple skiff]

Absolutely brutal now

[vestal finch]

No?

It was just until the animation ended

now you have to wait AFTER it ends

[brave token]

lol omg

[prisma minnow]

it's a bug

[burnt fjord]

BB should have the fastest quell times to balance the fact that you can't do anything else in BB mode

[brave token]

which class has best cleer speeD?

[vestal finch]

imo, the quell speed buff the staff gives should apply to all quelling

[sage yacht]

I leveled psyker to 30 first, got two other classes to 30 and did Vet to 10 and Psyker is such trash compared to everyone else it's sad

[empty granite]

Why does the critical bonus stat on the Surge Staff have melee crit chance? Is that a text typo?

[acoustic spade]

Really? I cant play veteran

I never have ammo

all the Ogryns and Zealots pick up all the ammo

[sage yacht]

I think doing Vet last helped me know when to actually melee vs. just shoot mindlessly

[uncut spire]

probably for the bash attack?

[empty granite]

So does the Surge Staff not have an increased critical chance outside the base 5%?

[glad jasper]

rip surge staff tho fr

[supple skiff]

May have been a function of not having quelling speed from a staff or the animation that you mentioned. Not suggesting the delay we have now was already there.

[empty granite]

It's just a visual effect, not the end of the world.

[celest oar]

i get the feeling it wasnt a bug and they thought it was a bright idea to nerf, then overwhelming negative reaction gave that response. Wasnt there a dev reply just now saying it was as intended?

[brave token]

What you think which class is best? and wih which weapon?

[uncut spire]

a visual effect that actually makes people nauseous

[supple skiff]

Would not surprise me

[uncut spire]

I can't use it since it actually gives me a headache

[bleak tulip]

complaints about surge staff visuals are already raised to the dev team

[sage yacht]

I've felt like I had the most impact as a zealot, between Eviscerator and then some form of lasgun as a backup to suppress groups / takeout snipers or other ranged units if people are tied up.

[hasty ether]

Gives me nausea and a massive headache. Even if I'm not the one using it

[glad jasper]

damn really? pog

[supple skiff]

Mfw surge nerfed harder than powersword

[empty granite]

It's doesn't make everyone nauseous. I'm not saying keep it, just that it's not in a "literally unplayable" state because of it.

[celest oar]

i tried power maul on my ogryn, i am back to pysker

[bleak tulip]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023/14

[celest oar]

disappointing doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about this patch

[sage yacht]

Like legit we have to BB to get like, 3% gains per warp stack where at level 25 preacher just had a skill that give syou 4% bonus damage stacking up to 20% just for HITTING something

[supple skiff]

Warp charges are a trap

[teal cargo]

Damn why they be nerfing Psyker?

[bleak tulip]

~~and reposting this while we're at it https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-cant-quell-or-swap-weapons-after-reaching-100-peril-twice/69172/2~~

~~https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023/18~~
Nausea inducing Surge Staff VFX are being checked by the devs

Both fixed as of 1.0.13

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[uncut spire]

surge staff + dueling sword was my go to for heresy+

[bleak tulip]

theyre not

[celest oar]

to thoese who actually do get nauseous from this, its definitely unplayable levels.

[uncut spire]

not even worth it to play psyker atm since they crippled movement

[sage yacht]

They are, which is absurd, every other class has a well thought out kit (for the most part) but psykers just have to pretend warp chargers don't exist

[celest oar]

play it with exploits

[keen slate]

AHAHAHAH

[wild pilot]

Its such an antagonistic mechanic

[teal cargo]

They fixed surge sprint cancelling

[celest oar]

until they fix, pysker with macros is on drugs

[teal cargo]

so fewer exploit

[empty granite]

The Peril stalling is a bug, so it's an unintended nerf. The Surge staff changes are purely visual, but do suck and they'll probably revert eventually.

[uncut spire]

?

[celest oar]

see the two videos

[bleak tulip]

right click cancel is dog, just left click cancel it does more anyway

[uncut spire]

that doesn't look fun

[bleak tulip]

yeah exactly

dont do it then

[teal cargo]

Is it time to be a Veteran, siblings?

[bleak tulip]

just play normally

[sage yacht]

I love psyker it's just so much more effort for less payoff compared to others. The only cool thing is mindlessly tanking hordes with peril block and an axe

[celest oar]

i like my force sword lawnmower

[teal cargo]

And also peril block i find a bit buggy, sometimes when spamming push attacks my blpck gets broken for no reason

and I have plenty of peril

[celest oar]

no stamina

[empty granite]

It is justifiably bad, but some folks are treating it like the sky is falling.

[wild pilot]

My main gripe with psyker is the godawfully designed feats

[supple skiff]

100 percent. Hard to maintain whereas the other classes get these great choices. Granted I run warp batter, but that’s just for the peril resist from inner tranquility

[teal cargo]

But it shouldnt even use stamina

[celest oar]

if you run out of stamina, your block gets broken even with peril block

[teal cargo]

but why 💀

[sage yacht]

I think sometimes attacks get under your blocking height so if it hits your head or like feet it knocks you out. Like if you tank a daemonhost you have to kind of adjust your blocking height because it moves up and down a bit

[bleak tulip]

@lament glen #psyker-class message could we please get this pinned? <3

[celest oar]

because psyker cant get good stuff

[teal cargo]

yikes

[teal cargo]

qish there was way to reserve stamina or sometjing

[bleak tulip]

okay now we get to spam whenever someone complains about the BB "nerf"

[lament glen]

I'd also like it to be known that I feel your guys' pain on the staff vfx. It makes my eyes water

[bleak tulip]

[teal cargo]

So is time to become Veterans, yay or nay?

[lament glen]

Try Zealot, I had so much fun leveling it I made a second one haha

[ornate hamlet]

i dont like aiming so nay

[bleak tulip]

I second that, zealot is a lot of fun

[brave vale]

LEFT RIGHT?

[uncut spire]

play everything, psyker was the most fun for me though

[willow hazel]

For the peril blocking does it need to specifically be an Antax Mk V axe or can you use something like Achlys Mk VIII?

[teal cargo]

yea i do have a Zealot

Flamer is fun

[weak galleon]

so, played a few games, on malice because newbie teammate.

holy shit they nerfed BB hard for Heresy+

[uncut spire]

not anymore since I can't slide around with a dueling sword though

[forest meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

Me when surging.

[teal cargo]

You can use anything for blocking, its just he mk5 axe has a very good push attack

[lament glen]

Just close your eyes and scream- it's in flavour for psykers anyways

[lime gorge]

finally an emperor's gift that's not a lasgun

[teal cargo]

check pins

[bleak tulip]

not bad

[teal cargo]

wow wtf

Emperor hates me, giving me lasguns and shit

[wanton cove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-hot-thats-hot-gif-23312083

[weak galleon]

ty, noticed now.

[acoustic spade]

There's no non-animated version of that emoji on the server :< I cant use it

[teal cargo]

Shoulda picked Seer

[night mortar]

😐

[lime gorge]

I mean eventually they're gonna buff Trauma right? ...right?

[uncut spire]

nice base rolls and deflector, wouldn't want exorcist on it though

[weak galleon]

Been looking for FS base like that for my entire stay here.
Still looking.

[night mortar]

even..tua.... prob not

[bleak tulip]

📌 I guess

[celest oar]

haha you are funny

its working as "intended" according to a dev post somewhere

[acoustic spade]

oh that exists, I tried to to :pin but only one that came up was 🧷

[empty granite]

Is the Trauma staff bugged or just bad right now?

[supple skiff]

Definetly bugged, probably both

[empty granite]

What is bugged about it?

[bleak tulip]

people said the damage it does it bugged

[supple skiff]

I’ve heard the damage values don’t represent what’s in the inspect table

Haven’t touched one since level 5 though so I can confirm lol

[celest oar]

found it ^ - for trauma staff

bascially devs: No, trauma is working as intended, fk off.

[bleak tulip]

oh hey they didnt add this to the patch notes, we got a penance book now

or im very unobservant and thats been there all along

[white badger]

If you're minmaxing, veterans are head-and-shoulders above the other classes. But psyker is a pretty fun playstyle. I end up playing both

[river sand]

it is in the patchnotes ....

[bleak tulip]

o

fair enough

[lime gorge]

Given its main purpose is to stunlock what stats & blessings are actually important for a good surge staff?

[fallow spoke]

how impossible is Malleus Monstrorum going to be as a solo 😦

[plucky mortar]

very but

[vestal finch]

They did add it

in the patch notes

[plucky mortar]

nothing matters if you don't believe in yourself sibling. believe in yourself and you'll do it. ❤️

[fallow spoke]

I stopped believing years ago. Shame then

[low tulip]

all I care about right now is when they are going to unglitch Psyker BB and surge staff strobing light...

[graceful steppe]

if you mean with bots, probably not doable while the bots are alive
if you mean with playing with randoms, it's doable. just don't ask to do it when everything is going insane from hordes, specials, and a boss at once

[brave vale]

I want to keep the ranged crit chance right? And get rid of the unarmored damage for something else?

[noble garden]

Whats that, you want more psyker nerfs? As you wish

[ebon jolt]

What else is actually good though?

[low tulip]

change unarmored to armored?

though that weapon is already almost as good as it gets and I'm super jealous

[brave vale]

unarmored to armored i guess

crit chance is 100% good on this right?

[steep bridge]

good on everything*

[olive ember]

Thank you game

I totally wanted a 375 lasgun on my psyker

buys it anyways

[low tulip]

it's wild cause all my 350+ weapons on my psyker has been lasgun

[graceful steppe]

i do the same...my psyker has all the best guns

[steep bridge]

my armoury is just melee weapons

[low tulip]

I buy them anyways in hopes that it will increase my base ilevel somehow

but idk.... it doesn't seem to be working as I haven't seen anything hitting 360

[tawny maple]

Thats what you get for playing in window mode

[weak galleon]

It doesn't.

[olive ember]

Fullscreen was being weird as shit so I ended up switching to window mode so I could actually see the entire game

[tawny maple]

really? Which resolution do you use

[olive ember]

1920 x 1080

[low jay]

am i the only one that's not liking the extra blue lighting effect for the lightning staff?

[tawny maple]

Hmm.. Interesting, did you put that on the forums? In the bug report?

[supple skiff]

So trauma isn’t bugged but the damage table showed too much damage, oof

[olive ember]

theres an entire forum post about how people are getting headaches so no

[bright star]

Definitely not, my head hurts so bad rn

[low jay]

good, glad i'm not the only one lmao

[olive ember]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023

[bright cipher]

quick rundown on the patch and does it affect us in any way?

[hushed glade]

so is it even possible to do pick n mix now with the bug?

[low tulip]

how does one increase shop base rating than? cause I keep getting mixed messages from different people

[idle shuttle]

link to patch notes plx?

[weak galleon]

You do not.
Even if you have 370-380 base items in your inventory or equipped, you'll get showered in trash 99.9% of the time

[ebon jolt]

• Surge staff VFX is making people hate it
• Purg staff seems to do extra DoT on crit now
• Quell delay after hit 100% multiple times blows
• Removed dueling sword super slide R.I.P.
• Surge staff sprint cancel is gone
• Infinite Purg staff down is gone
• Notes said Force Sword would be buffed but changes are only visual

[bright cipher]

whew

well axechads are still fine

thats good

[burnt fjord]

also removed sprint cancel on surge staff from what I can tell

[willow hazel]

Also sprint canceling with surge staff is gone

[bright cipher]

peril block also untouched

phew

[hollow oar]

I just got this from a mission, is the sword any good?

[tidal adder]

Am i the only one whos pretty sure force sword wasnt supposed to be only visual?
Did they change this?
“Force Sword weapon special now creates a larger visual blast on damaging and killing heretics.”

[shut thorn]

I'm gonna play different games, tried to force myself to play but having to play shop casino is just mind numbing

[idle shuttle]

deleting psyker playing ogryn

[burnt python]

yes they added the word visual

[shut thorn]

Why is the crafting system taking so long

[bright cipher]

surge cancel is pretty whatever

[shut thorn]

its gone

[bright cipher]

its snowing in sweden please understand

[tidal adder]

Vermintide 2? Chaos wastes baby?!

[shut thorn]

It's funny because vermintide atleast has the end round chest thingy

[tidal adder]

With the surge of new players its gonna be actually difficult

[shut thorn]

So you get some dopamine from that

Instead of

Stare at everyone

[weak galleon]

it's hard to cycle between Dtide and vermintide 2, indeed.
It's like DT is a prequel from 10 years before.

[idle shuttle]

more like DickTide

[shut thorn]

I genuinely want to enjoy darktide

I just can't

What's the point of playing it rn

There isn't one

[acoustic spade]

I just uninstalled VT2 cause no way I can go back to that game after playing DT for +150 hours

[river sand]

might be unpopular opinion, but i played some games with a purg staff and .... well its pretty shitty

[idle shuttle]

play another class

[hushed glade]

there isn't any point to playing any game, just play what you enjoy

[shut thorn]

I have

I was playing zealot just now because psyker is just

like

why would i play psyker even

[tidal adder]

I mean, ive been just checking updates and my dopamine started to like how theyre diggin their own grave

[hollow oar]

regarding the weapon, I wanted to reroll the +1 stamina I got. Which stat should I roll the perk to? Any valueable breakpoints or just go for weakspot/crit dmg?

[idle shuttle]

Im gonna play a slab shield ogryn and pretend im on my vt2 warrior priest

[tidal adder]

Youd think they cant possibly do worse

Yet here i am blindfolded and surprised

[shut thorn]

why is the crafting system taking so fucking long

is this some idea of theirs to get more player playtime

guess what

it's killing the game

[weak galleon]

base gameplay.
Except you have 1 class, 3 staves, your half of your talent tree might as well not exist (nothing close to powerhouses like Famished Flames/Lingering/Volcano, Lvl30 talents on Unchained/Pyro/BW, outright 30% DR or Abandon or you name it), and you can't force yo urself to spend time on other classes because all crafting materials and resources are not account wide.

it's hard on me as well.

[shut thorn]

Or I could go on vet/zealot and literally do anything psyker does but better

[chilly cobalt]

Wasnt the force sword supposed to be changed to do aoe now?

[shut thorn]

lmao they retconned that

and now its just graphical

[chilly cobalt]

Lmao rip

[shut thorn]

despite it being in combat section before

cant have psyker DOING ANYTHING

[tidal adder]

The only good marketing move that wasnt counterprodictive in a long run (if they made a good game) was giving vermintide 2 for free. However as of right now vermintide has more content for me, who “finnished” it than darktide where i only have one lvl30

[shut thorn]

[sinful stream]

best maps for knocking enemies off?

[shut thorn]

chasm logistratum

[chilly cobalt]

Next patch
-buffed vet and power sword
-removed psyker

[bleak tulip]

not even, its just not in

[stark snow]

they switched it in the notes to be vfx only

[bleak tulip]

there is still a chance itll be aoe

[tidal adder]

Guys chill

[burnt python]

naw they changed the text, it's visual lol

[stark snow]

force sword can't have aoe, like its special can't make it do more cleave and more damage, that would be too OP 😛 😛

[shut thorn]

theyve been needlessly nerfing psyker because they've fallen victim to trying to pander to a general populace that they perceive that actually doesn't exist outside of youtube comments

[tidal adder]

We will one day tell our 9 year old children that we remember darktide being bad on launch

[burnt python]

they are probably balancing around malice

[gray kelp]

hard to when your options are so limited to begin with and they make dumb decisions to make the choices you have less enjoyable to use

[tidal adder]

I highly doubt they play the game

[shut thorn]

its been confirmed already

multiple times

devs play on uprising

[burnt python]

😦

[stark snow]

can purg even hit weak spots? Doesn't seem like it can

[gray kelp]

also FWIW i was around mid-v1, from what I remember v2 launch was not as bad as this

[tidal adder]

being bad at your own game

[burnt python]

v2 launch was worse than this lol

[gray kelp]

and v1 -> v2 was a way bigger jump content-wise than v2->dt

[hollow oar]

Not like they let vets spam Powersword special for unlimited cleave (even through Bullwark shields lol) and damage without downtime

[shut thorn]

theyre nerfing psyker offense/utility to be "on par" while entirely forgetting that psyker has shit survivability

[stark snow]

no they would never do something like that!

[tidal adder]

No you say that now, but wait for the battle pass they will include

[weak galleon]

Didn't it launch with 15 classes, crafting system and shared crafting resources already in?

[hollow oar]

@stark snow NUH UH, no pointing fingies here >:c

[burnt python]

and was nearly unplayable due to bugs and balancing, worse than dt

[wild pilot]

what offense?

[burnt python]

content wise it was better, sure, playability - no

[shut thorn]

psyker in closed beta was actually fun, compared to what w have now

[tidal adder]

Dont start this

[stark snow]

does anyone know though? I don't think I've ever seen purge hit a weakspot? Am I just stupid or does it not do it?

[vocal iron]

what got nerfed this time?

[shut thorn]

what didn't get nerfed*

[gray kelp]

I remember the balancing also being crap, but its not like dt is much better. Saying it was unplayable is hyperbole IMO

[tidal adder]

Darktide concurent players

[gray kelp]

specifically I remember the busted ranged stuff

[hollow oar]

@stark snow My friend tested it and also noticed it cant even crit?

[weak galleon]

Somebody said it does, but with 1.0 modifier, so de-facto doesn't.

[gray kelp]

not to beat a dead horse but individual career issues were less of a problem as we had 15 vs. our current 4

[stark snow]

yeah my best purg staff has +% to weak spot damage so gonna reroll that shit

[burnt python]

dt balancing is so much better than vt2 launch was, not even comprable

[shut thorn]

void is like throwing water balloons at elites now, purg got a token buff but not really, surge is dumpstered, some new dev declared that trauma should be shit so now itll be shit

[idle shuttle]

i dont see anything about sprint cancel removal from surge

[burnt python]

and yes i agree

[shut thorn]

oh and

[idle shuttle]

they just did it and not say?

[shut thorn]

good luck for anyone wanting to do pick n mix

because you literally

cannot

[vocal iron]

sad

[burnt python]

??

[shut thorn]

classic fatshark

[shut thorn]

quell delay

it's impossible

[weak galleon]

A bit more info on the trauma and dev part, please?

[burnt python]

you dont need to quell multiple times to do pick n mix

you do need 6 charges for peril resist & barrage

[gray kelp]

i will say im somewhat biased because I ran foot knight + halberd all the time so I was eating good back then lol

[sinful stream]

with the right lvl 30 talent right

[burnt python]

i miss the halberd

[wild pilot]

Its a bug, so this means that brain bursting is just ordinary shit and not total shit

[shut thorn]

ok let me rephrase, it's not impossible but it's genuinely worse to do now than it was before

[lone canopy]

Which perk should I replace?

[shut thorn]

proof of it being a bug?

[wild pilot]

They pinned it iirc

[burnt python]

all over their forums

been posted a hundred times

on here

its a bug

[shut thorn]

aite

nice

[wild pilot]

doesnt change the state of psyker but hey atleast they didnt kill the class in purpose

[burnt python]

however i have no faith they fix it in a timely manner, prob next week

[shut thorn]

thank god for that

[shut thorn]

wdym we're literally better not using psyker weps

[gray kelp]

but seriously i really hope fs gets their shit together, I don't get why they keep making the same mistakes its so frustrating to deal with

[shut thorn]

new devs

[burnt python]

i gave up hope on that long ago lol

[meager crag]

Surely someone would have left some notes on 'don't fuckin do this'

[burnt python]

dtide will be sick in about a year

im still enjoying it for the moment but losing steam for sure

mind boggling how many mistakes they repeat

[shut thorn]

Today was when I gave up bothering

[chilly cobalt]

Its ironically probably better to use a mark12 and be a wish.com veteran with bb

[burnt python]

making a mistake is one thing, making th e same mistakes every tiem you put a game out is incompetent

[shut thorn]

I still only have one FS with deflector, My only viable rolls are antax mk Vs wth brutal momentum, which I'm tired of 24/7 using

I've upgraded probably 30 or something force swords hoping for deflector

[supple skiff]

Wonder if vt2 has had a jump in player count cause of dk mishandling lol

[shut thorn]

It's so fucking annoying

[supple skiff]

Going to check

[jovial quail]

I seriously hope we get a patch fixing it before they go on holiday lol

[shut thorn]

Haha about that

[jovial quail]

[shut thorn]

Today holidays start in the region

Have fun

[supple skiff]

Short answe is no

[burnt python]

seriously fuckin impressive they missed the original deadline by what, a year? and its still in this state

[shut thorn]

I don't think it'd raise

[wild pilot]

Come back next year siblings

[shut thorn]

I don't feel like playing anything fatshark related rn

[burnt python]

bout to be back on the drg train

[frigid marten]

and vt2 have a advent calendar free stuff

[weak galleon]

That's VT2, right?
How DT graph looks like?

[supple skiff]

I just wanted to play as a psyker in a decent fucking game

[hollow oar]

I rerolled it to 5% Crit Chance, think this is fine 😄

[wild pilot]

Yeah dont mention it

[wild pilot]

Could play vet but its just ignoring the issie

[shut thorn]

uhoh its raising

[gray kelp]

lucky me i recently discovered persona and by extension SMT, will keep me busy for a while

[supple skiff]

Been wanting than since I’ve first witnessed my doom

[wild pilot]

Im playing rogue trader alpha in the mean time

[shut thorn]

darktide is clearly a gigabrain plan to get people excited in it and then bait them into vermintide 2 instead

[tight niche]

how's that?

[wild pilot]

Quite fun actually, just a lot of alpha jankiness

[burnt python]

peak dtide players last 30 days: 107k, peak vt2: 104k lol

[supple skiff]

Steady decline in both player base and steam reviews is unsurprising

[silver sphinx]

Is it worth investing in any of the staffs? Or is it really better to stick with Recon Las or Autogun? The lighting one seems nice for stunlocking but the others have been underwhelming so far. Nice that I'm not hogging the Vets ammo but...

[supple skiff]

Game gets a lot of points just for being 40k for me but that has its limits

[burnt python]

i wonder if they recognize how much sustained cash flow they are missing out on with this shitshow

[stark snow]

yeah needed probably another 3 months at least of fixing/impementing crafting

[shut thorn]

staves are fucked rn, don't make a judgement currently

[steep bridge]

Ah yes, the "Very focused on your local playground" person game

[stark snow]

core loop is fun, but lets be honest, that's from l4d from 15 years ago, almost all the systems they've tacked on are bad. Maps are beautiful but repetitive

[silver sphinx]

Mkay

[cold oasis]

lightning and voidstrike are good

flamethrower is based on taste, and the trauma is shit

[shut thorn]

theyre shit rn after patch

purg is doing gr8 rn

trauma got dumpstered

[gray kelp]

what is this supposed to even mean lol