psyker-class

[cyan notch]

conflag didnt have shitty aiming either

[potent echo]

conflag stacking fire was kinda fun

[runic hornet]

Void has a far smaller radius

[potent echo]

shotgun was bonkers vs berserkers

[shut thorn]

no

[runic hornet]

It's like comparing fireball to conflag

[runic hornet]

objectively yes, read the stats

[potent echo]

can we have shotgun left click

[runic hornet]

Void has like... 4 meter radius

on a max roll

Trauma gets like 8.3

[tranquil fiber]

Void has pierce damage o.o it doesn't need blast radius

[shut thorn]

voidstrike can go through people and has infinite range, it also has like a 3m hitbox

[teal cargo]

Except Conflag didnt cost as much peril and had a DoT and was used mostly for that DoT build

[runic hornet]

yyyyyyyeah that's the thing about voidstrike, it's a bowling ball

[tranquil fiber]

max charge is like 5-6?

[runic hornet]

void is not that wide

I remember checking, I'll write it down this time

[shut thorn]

It's wide enough and you can toss it out far faster w/ less peril

[teal cargo]

Trauma cost a ton of Peril so should be doing a lotta dmg imo

[potent echo]

does the voidstrike staff explosion actually do any damage

[shut thorn]

The 700+ dmg on trauma is intended

[potent echo]

i never try to hit things with the explosion

[shut thorn]

barely any

[teal cargo]

voidstrike explosion mostly for cc

[shut thorn]

I use the explo for the light stagger when a vet has been surrounded by poxwalkers on their ammo egghunt

[teal cargo]

aiming it at ground does like no dmg

[tranquil fiber]

yeah the blast radius stat isn't that important.

its helpful but not really needed

[glacial abyss]

guh

[potent echo]

hug

[shut thorn]

I do hope they fix dmg on trauma, it was genuinely gr8 in closed beta

[teal cargo]

Also Trauma you cant animation cancel it to stay at 100 Peril 😭

[tranquil fiber]

yeah the only time you wanna hit the ground is if you need to make some room to bowling ball headshot more

[shut thorn]

neither can void except ykno

void doesnt blow u up in 3

[mild tartan]

So they removed staffs from the shop entirely right? Until they can rebalance them? That's why my shop is full of autoguns and revolvers right?

[potent echo]

what if you hands are reaaaaaally fast

[shut thorn]

no

[teal cargo]

Void I think you can but also not really needed

[shut thorn]

my shop is full off staves

[mild tartan]

No that must be it, they're just working hard to get me the best staff possiblew

I trust in fat shark

[shut thorn]

I have like 20 voidstrikes in my inventory

I'm stealing all your staff rolls

Sry

[tranquil fiber]

I haven't seen new staff in a couple of days

[teal cargo]

idk I couldnt do it maybe theres some tech

[mild tartan]

I do see a singular variant occasionally of voidstrike, but it's a lot worse than the one I have

[potent echo]

yes staves are deleted psyker is now renamed to sharpshooter

[mild tartan]

havent seen a surge in a week or so

[shut thorn]

Lol I used to have that until like day 4 of release

[tranquil fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[runic hornet]

Trauma: Epicentre 2.29m, blast radius 8.32m.
Rumbler: Epicentre 2.77m, blast radius 8.85m. Does way less damage than trauma
Frags: No listed stats but blast radius of "maybe 10 meters" eyeballed. Does even less damage than rumbler, and hugely so.
Voidstrike: Epicentre 1.32m, Blast radius 3.56m. It's tiny.
Voidstrike damage gets close to 500 and definitely breaks it with perks, but it basically needs near-direct hits.

[shut thorn]

Now I get abt 2-4 staves each shop reset

I feel compelled to buy them even if they're shit rolls

[night marten]

yea I generally get 1 to 2

[runic hornet]

Seriously, I don't know why you people hate on trauma for "low damage" when Rumbler is praised to the heavens and its basically worse.

[shut thorn]

Fatshark is giving their staves to people who actually deserve to collect them

[tranquil fiber]

ahh I'm being cruel and doing 350 or not bothering.

[potent echo]

are those numbers full charge? i never tried to hit crushers with bowling ball, i assumed BB has higher dps

[tranquil fiber]

unless blessings are guuud

[teal cargo]

Rumbler you can spam that out

[shut thorn]

because ogryns are funny

[tranquil fiber]

[teal cargo]

And you're comparing full charge trauma to spamming grenades

[tranquil fiber]

and I took that personally

[runic hornet]

yes

[mild tartan]

Gonna be honest idek what the fuck rumbler is

[teal cargo]

Grenades come out a lot faster

The Ogryn weapon

[shut thorn]

You'd break them

[mild tartan]

Voidstrike is epic because it can pass through a dozen enemies and has basically zero peril cost

[potent echo]

2 grenades with bleed talent can delete any non-crusher ogryn in damnation, not sure if its that good though

[runic hornet]

"spamming" the rumbler takes about the same time. Rumbler reloads in ~2.3 seconds, Trauma charges in 1.31 seconds on a max roll, mine is only 64% and thus charges in 1.54

[supple skiff]

still no update eh

[mild tartan]

also it lets you actually get kills

I would love a solid surge staff to mix thing sup though

[shut thorn]

they gotta learn all the techs from this chat first

just so u ppl know devs pay more attention to this one than any other class channel

🙃

[runic hornet]

You can only go 2.5 traumas before you cap perils, but usually after 2.5 traumas you don't need MORE. You go into melee for 7 seconds and your "reload" is completely free ready for you to draw your staff again

[potent echo]

are you dev?

[shut thorn]

no

[potent echo]

[night marten]

[trim garnet]

what are the techs

must know

[shut thorn]

for nerfing busted techs, not buffing stuff LMAO

[shut thorn]

we've spotted one

[runic hornet]

Like seriously, compared to ogyrn rumbler, trauma is even better. And ogyrns love rumbler. So what's wrong with trauma?

[trim garnet]

not a dev i swear

[supple skiff]

being aware of the tech's =/= capacity to fix them

[trim garnet]

🙃

[mild tartan]

"What do the psykers like best right now? We need to change that."

[trim garnet]

(of the warp)

[potent echo]

peril

[shut thorn]

ive gotten a few questions from like 10 day old discord accounts asking for rlly specific stuff abt psyker techs

lmao

[cyan notch]

perils*

[runic hornet]

a full 1 second shorter per shot and you get 2.5 of them quickly

[shut thorn]

theyre public anyw

[runic hornet]

compared to rumbler

[trim garnet]

trauma either needs higher base damage with lower damage from charging or a massive peril generation buff

[potent echo]

perilsofthewarpexplosion

[mild tartan]

Trauma just feels lame, it's not fun to use

[idle shuttle]

i want "im gonna bust" line added for psyker

[runic hornet]

after that you have down time but good lord if you threw 2.5 traums shit will be dead, dying, or on the floor

[potent echo]

but rumbler you have 30 rounds to spam

[full bane]

You can’t bean enemies with the trauma like you can with the Rumbler, funny = better

[trim garnet]

my issue with trauma is that its damage is fucking awful unless you fully charge, and by then you could have just shot like 2 or 3 voidstrike railgun shots

[shut thorn]

shift + w cancels you from exploding on purg/surge animation end
r on voidstrike rmb lets you roleplay as a machinegunner
then the super secret tech on trauma that the trauma cartel doesn't let me divulge

[runic hornet]

this is a very valid reason lol

rumbler bonk is dopamine

[potent echo]

thwomp

[echo parrot]

Gimme kniof

[runic hornet]

The super secret trauma tech is that it can headshot

[trim garnet]

force sword claymore when

[runic hornet]

How? I have absolutely no FUCKING idea

[potent echo]

trauma tech is to hold X on it in the inventory

[runic hornet]

but it can

[shut thorn]

also qq click on fs but thats not rlly tech

[full bane]

Besides the explosion is more for horde control than damage

[night marten]

why can't purge headshot

[runic hornet]

you get orange numbers in the range and massive damage

[trim garnet]

is this faster than block canceling the 1st light?

[cyan notch]

yea

[potent echo]

theres the funny DS slide tech too

[shut thorn]

yes

[orchid nest]

the qq cancel with fs with a macro is hilarious

[shut thorn]

looks cool, but eh

[trim garnet]

iirc certain weapons in vt had faster block cancel than qq but i might be wrong

[tranquil fiber]

genius

[mild tartan]

If you want headshots you use the headshot staff

[teal cargo]

Rumbler has longer range and your first shot comes out instantly compared to Trauma

[mild tartan]

The magic basketball launcher

[runic hornet]

that's specifically AFTER they intentionally targetted QQ with nerfs

with swap delay

[night marten]

yea but literally melting faces should count extra

[shut thorn]

If only you guys knew the trauma super secret tech....... shame innit

[trim garnet]

ah classic fatshark moment

[runic hornet]

but they simultaneously buffed block cancels with that same patch

which was good.

[fluid vessel]

Oh dear god I just realized how few people have this Penance AAA. It's only a Malice one too, the Heresy ones are even harder in theory...

[mild tartan]

True, I imagine it's hard to program a headshot without actual projectiles though lol

[runic hornet]

The change was actually suggested by players and implemented

"please make block cancels better than qq cancels because qq cancels encourage carpal tunnel"

[orchid nest]

for what its worth that fs qq cancel video isn't even a fast version, gets silly

[fluid vessel]

Why couldn't they make it two, or even just -one- ? It's a joke challenge anyways, you have to suicide yourself to get it

[trim garnet]

good luck finding 3 already injured elites and jihading before they die to someone else

[shut thorn]

lmao I got it in the first days of preorder beta

hahahaha

[mild tartan]

That's definitely the one that's the biggest pain in the ass, pick n mix isn't that bad rn since you can kill 5 of the same type

[runic hornet]

so they made qq suck on purpose and then buffed block canceling, a simpler input, to be where old qq cancel was

[shut thorn]

before they nerfed explosion dmg

sucks to be you guys lmaoo

[mild tartan]

I had to get a group of 3 to help me push some elites together at the start to get that one

[night marten]

@fluid vessel pro tip, use bots 😉

[shut thorn]

though

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, the only realistic way to do it is to roll out with a full premade that just kites a bunch of elites, wounds them and then you blow yourself up

[shut thorn]

preorder malleus

before daemonhost

[fluid vessel]

Or get INSANELY lucky

(And play badly, a good Psyker would never blow up, ever)

[runic hornet]

not really
a 3x rager pull with a trauma staff makes it hilariously easy to get

though you do have to grief teams

[potent echo]

remember the 3 rager example from before

that was me, i got the penance

[runic hornet]

by yolorushing ahead and alone so they don't "helpfully" snipe your ragers

[fluid vessel]

I mean yeah the most realistic way to get it "legit" is a triple Rager

[mild tartan]

It's more about everyone else needing to know not to kill the elites really

[teal cargo]

A 3 rager pull before your team kills them?

[fluid vessel]

But you do have to grief your team

[mild tartan]

same with pick n mix

[shut thorn]

pre daemonhost malleus was funny, you'd hope for a beast of nurgle then let it periodically eat your friends while they cleared horde and alt tabbed

[fluid vessel]

It is a HORRIBLE idea to let a bunch of ragers swarm into melee like this

[runic hornet]

I did say oyu have to grief your team and yolorush

[night marten]

not necessarily. perils of the warp is effectively an aoe brain burst, there could be some niche tech/use for it

[runic hornet]

DS slidetech so far ahead of your team you get the next elite pull all to yourself

hit them with trauma twice

miss the third and perils from it

explode

[potent echo]

DS slidetech end the world

[mild tartan]

Plague ogryn seemed easier to do that one on, I just did tanked daemonhost though, definitely way easier than any other method

[potent echo]

i was kiting entire endgame hordes

[orchid nest]

I got it on gunners solo running into damnation runs. that was before many people were actually trying to pug them though

[runic hornet]

alt-f4

[night marten]

@fluid vessel soften up targets with purge/surge staffs while bots take aggro before exploding to get Going out with a Bang penance

[fluid vessel]

And yeah, Malleus is literally "have a friend tank the boss while you waste five minutes of your life: The Challenge"

I'll wait for private lobbies to do that one

[runic hornet]

my bots killed the ragers or broke them up lol

[mild tartan]

I think the idea is that you solo clutch a boss while everyone is downed

[potent echo]

or wait 3 months for fatshark to finally add private lobbies/solo play

[shut thorn]

idk, plague ogryn is more annoying, w/ beast of nurgle you can just sit still

[sage flower]

so what's the deal with the trauma staff?

[teal cargo]

Yea also theres no way to do solo lobbies

[runic hornet]

I had to grief a real human team

[fluid vessel]

It's not even -hard-, once you clear the area you're fine

[mild tartan]

But like, why would I be in that position?

[night marten]

or get a friendly pub

[sage flower]

what role does it actually play

[cyan notch]

ive been throwing so many games then quitting to restart maps for going out with a bang lol

still havent gotten it

[fluid vessel]

I mean pubs can be friendly if you tell them what you're going for

[shut thorn]

it was 8 minutes lmao

[fluid vessel]

But the suicide penance is just -oof-

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/IzVsRoEDKD-P

[shut thorn]

NICE! you did it!

[teal cargo]

Generates a lotta peril and can cc elites pretty good

[mild tartan]

if you keep failing lmk I'll help you out

[fluid vessel]

Yeah seeing how much damage brainburst does on Haz 3, I can only imagine how -long- it'd take on Haz 4

[mild tartan]

can find a couple other people to help too

[fluid vessel]

Even with a full headpop build and a 80 % vent staff

[runic hornet]

the listed damage numbers in the table are way higher than the practical damage numbers (which match the damage stat in my experience). The listed damage numbers are also comedically high when compared to similar weapons, the ogyrn rumbler and veteran frag grenade

[potent echo]

drg player 👀

[shut thorn]

non force wep is better for quelling tbh

[mild tartan]

Blood and skulls forevah!

[trim garnet]

did i hear a box and lunch?

[cyan notch]

you cant compare frags and an instant shoot weapon

[teal cargo]

How bout the Ogryn Grenade Gauntlet?

[shut thorn]

ogryn also doesnt have to look at ceiling or weird angles to use rumbler

[runic hornet]

Yeah, the trauma staff is better.

[fluid vessel]

Also these two are also sad

[runic hornet]

It explodes instantly where you want to, meaning you can two-pieplate shotgunners on damnation

[cyan notch]

you can throw frags then use your ranged weapon with trauma youre stuck with it forever

[runic hornet]

every single time, on purpose

[shut thorn]

it should be

[fluid vessel]

It shouldn't be that hard to get 10 missions in a row without a down, but with pubs... dear god

I suspect there's a bug somewhere though

[runic hornet]

throwing frags takes longer than 1.31 seconds

[fluid vessel]

Like maybe they have a SUPER aggressive anti-DC penatly

[runic hornet]

which is the 80% charge rate of trauma

[teal cargo]

Also how does it compare to the Grenade Gauntlet?

[fluid vessel]

So if you join mid-game or crash it instantly removes your streak

[mild tartan]

YES! FINALLY! MY STORE HAS REFRESHED! 3 STUB REVOLVERS! THANK YOU

[shut thorn]

you're welcome

[teal cargo]

Trauma is about the same range

[runic hornet]

honestly a good question, I didn't think because usually GG for stagger/disruption is really meh

[shut thorn]

thanks for the 3 staves

[night marten]

sharpshooter moment

[tranquil fiber]

gimmie one

[shut thorn]

no

[sage flower]

so it does pretty good damage then? i need to get one with faster charging, because it's painful to use

[runic hornet]

Nah, trauma is shorter. You can use GG on longshots to disrupt gunners and reapers, trauma can't even get halfway. (But you're a psyker, so y oucan BB across that distance anyway)

[shut thorn]

god tho

[tranquil fiber]

its telling you to play veteran

[shut thorn]

game wud be neat w trading but

[trim garnet]

day 2 of never getting staves/force sword rolls when i have time to check shop

[mild tartan]

Okay, this is epic. They really know how to encourage a well rounded psyker playstyle

[shut thorn]

w how cheat prone it is

eh

[tranquil fiber]

you've pushed me... I'm gonna lottery my weekly coins

[runic hornet]

you need every stat @ 80% except warpresist, and maybe quell speed if you plan to never active quell with the weapon, which you probably will at some point, so please just get 80% quell speed if you can

[shut thorn]

melk is a scam

[runic hornet]

If you don't have 80% charge rate, 80% damage, and 80% blast radius, it'll feel like it sucks.

[fluid vessel]

Yeah staff with 80 % quell is important, so you can sustain ranged spam

[mild tartan]

Basically you want 100% in everything or its not worth it

[runic hornet]

I have 64% chargerate and fuck me I feel it every single cast, 1.54 versus 1.31.

[fluid vessel]

Also quelling with your headpop is stupid, anything else is faster

[supple skiff]

ive heard folks pull greys from mystery milk

[fluid vessel]

And yeah, charge rate is mandatory if you use your alt

[shut thorn]

imagine caring abt quell or warp resistance

[runic hornet]

(My 1.31 charge rate staff however has shit damage and can't one-shot poxwalkers on damnation, which is why I don't use it)

[shut thorn]

surge/purg moment

[tranquil fiber]

lets do it for science - the rng on 5 weapons is stupid anyway.

[night marten]

read my name

[fluid vessel]

Sadly my current staff has every stat high but charge at like 15 %

So I just don't use my alt

[tranquil fiber]

I just need to see one staff this week

[mild tartan]

see bulwark >brainburst it 3 times for the kill >oh the zealot killed him before I finished the first one

EVERY TIME

[runic hornet]

voidstrike moment
use RMB, go perils postiive lmao

[cyan notch]

dont believe everything you hear test it out for yourself believe it or not a non 80% quell is not a dealbreaker

[night marten]

fuck off melk.

[shut thorn]

thats w a blessing

[valid ridge]

Melk cares about your autogun collection.

[runic hornet]

I was using a 60% quellspeed staff and I fucking hated it every time I active quelled

[fluid vessel]

To be fair I always attack Ogryns getting brain bursted

[valid ridge]

He's a man of pew, not a man of "WHoosh, fireball!"

[night marten]

apparently

[runic hornet]

i upgraded to a 70% and still hated it

[fluid vessel]

Because often you need a bit more chip damage for the kill

[cyan notch]

ok thats anecdotal

[runic hornet]

80% was the point at which I stopped hating active quell

[trim garnet]

does cerebral lacerations make brain burst actually worth using on haz 4/5

[fluid vessel]

No ?

[mild tartan]

Seriously though the amount of autoguns and lasguns I've seen between mission drops, the shop, the challenge shop, I feel like something is tuned weird

[tranquil fiber]

ooo 360 void Stafff

[tight saddle]

why can't I get this luck on my Psyker lol

[severe folio]

update yet ?

[runic hornet]

because passive quell with a non-force weapon was just better than 60-70% quellspeed most situations

[fluid vessel]

The only edge case where a brain burst doesn't instakill and you need the pathetic damage increase is boss

[shut thorn]

you use bb for dealing with specials that break LOS quickly, thats abt it

[cyan notch]

u may not like it but thats just you its totally fine to not have absolute 80%

[fluid vessel]

And bosses aren't exactly challenging to kill

[fluid vessel]

A good team can melt it in ten seconds with a melee charge

[tranquil fiber]

4 guns and two staves

[teal cargo]

Not that important rn for Purg and Surge to some extent

[mild tartan]

Nice mine's almost the exact same, don't have warp flurry though

[teal cargo]

and not important for Void

[runic hornet]

oof, no quell blessing, but still decent

[tight saddle]

mmmm

[trim garnet]

are the non-purgatus left click orbeez worth a damn

[severe folio]

yes

[teal cargo]

For Trauma idk cos despite the Trauma fans 💀💀

[runic hornet]

they have bizarrely high suppression, even if they miss they seem to consistently affect enemy AI

[shut thorn]

stuns

[night marten]

it's your ranged headshot option

[runic hornet]

they also stagger like a truck, hitting a dog with an m1 marble knocks it off of allies

[mild tartan]

^

very useful

[trim garnet]

so for utility suppression/stagger then

[mild tartan]

when not push attacking with the axe lol

[shut thorn]

electrocuting the dog is funnier especially when it gets stuck in the animation or goes orbital

[runic hornet]

and they're cheaper on perils and faster at killing 1 poxwalker than surge RMB

[potent echo]

I need to have a boss in the meat grinder to find out if purge flaming it does more/less dps than melee/bb

[teal cargo]

Pretty helpful

[runic hornet]

mainly because surge RMB does nearly negative damage to poxwalkers

[sick kindle]

Backup sword incase deflector ever gets nerfed into impracticality

[cyan notch]

how many perils does it cost

[teal cargo]

You can kill Taliban gunners faster with lmb than surge

[night marten]

think it does more? but I haven't tried with axe

[trim garnet]

also does anyone know if force sword warp attack counts as multiple hits for applying blessing effects?

[shut thorn]

Why would it get nerfed

[cyan notch]

are perils a currency

[sick kindle]

I've been playing Fatshark games long enough to know that it's a good idea to have backup weapons

[shut thorn]

I wouldnt use fs if deflector got nerfed

lmao

[runic hornet]

staff LMB? like 5%, closer to 4%

[magic burrow]

the staff left click rarely ever seems to go where I want it to

[trim garnet]

psyker currency is just insight from bloodborne

[tranquil fiber]

Hopefully we see a patch this week

[shut thorn]

yes

[night marten]

probably same I hate to admit, axe is too good of an alternative. or if they buffed it some other way (making special count as BB for warp charges maybe)

[cyan notch]

cuz its slow

[shut thorn]

staff techs go bye bye

have fun w them while it lasts

[potent echo]

I've started to notice this, seems to be an issue if you have high ping

[magic burrow]

whats a staff tech

[potent echo]

Like the orb is lagging behind your cursor

[tranquil fiber]

"We have now made the Psyker Staffs available for all"

watch me reroll to an Ogryn Wizard

[trim garnet]

if special counted for warp charges then upkeeping them wouldnt be such a pain on heresy/damnation meaning they'd have to nerf the charge feats

[tranquil fiber]

watch me

[cyan notch]

surge and void will be fine if they nerf the animation cancels

[trim garnet]

ok but imagine being able to use purgatus right click and ogryn ability at the same time though

[tranquil fiber]

"Somehow Palpatine returned"

[cyan notch]

purg is busted rn so itll probably feel worse

[magic burrow]

ah yeah that seems busted

[runic hornet]

Okay, so a GG grenade has epicentre 1.4m (similar to voidstrike) but 5.40m blast radius (a whole 2 meters better than voidstrike). So it's actually decent for disruption, though not even close to truma/rumbler which are >8m radius

[shut thorn]

eh idk

[tranquil fiber]

I'll finally have smoke to my choo choo

[trim garnet]

whats the second one doing? spreading damage?

[shut thorn]

look at peril

[cyan notch]

perils

[shut thorn]

peril

[trim garnet]

LOL

[potent echo]

This is R cancel?

[shut thorn]

first one is r cancel, second one is shift w

[trim garnet]

so does surge only peril check you on the end damage burst?

[runic hornet]

hot hands

[potent echo]

Oh you can shift cancel left click

[shut thorn]

yes

[potent echo]

[trim garnet]

thats pretty fucked up

[runic hornet]

yes, and if you cancel out of it you don't explode

[trim garnet]

yeah i assumed that part

[runic hornet]

it's dumb as rocks but hilarious

[shut thorn]

thats rmb on purg

[tranquil fiber]

surge spam macro leggo

[trim garnet]

fatshark infinite peril hack

[cyan notch]

the infinite purg one is even easier so that ones definitely getting fixed

you dont even need any timing for that

[shut thorn]

as far as i know you cannot check cancel purg lmb

[trim garnet]

same with purgatus m1

?

tragic

[shut thorn]

but i dont really use it that much anymore

so i might be wrong

[tight saddle]

shop was a little nicer this time

hopefully blessing crafting helps fix it

[magic burrow]

noice

[shut thorn]

void cancel could be fixed by just removing the stupid lockout timer

[cyan notch]

you can already just vanilla spam left click purg and it costs almost nothing

but the full charge one is just silly

[trim garnet]

so how do you do the voidstrike cancel?

[tight saddle]

it's better than all my other voids already so I'll be using it

oh

[shut thorn]

r to cancel the anim

[trim garnet]

ah ok

[runic hornet]

there's a window

you can't do it instantly

[tranquil fiber]

should get to 500 easy

[runic hornet]

but you can do it earlier than you could start charging another RMB

[trim garnet]

just a tiny tap at a window during the back end?

[shut thorn]

also trauma tech is just cancelling lmb which is sad

[cyan notch]

oh really now you dont say

[trim garnet]

so is it just hold rmb -> tap quell at certain window -> spam left click

or well i guess not spam but

[shut thorn]

?

you void cancel by doing rmb->wait a bit->lmb->r as bolt goes out

you wait so it does actual damage

instead of being worse lmb

[trim garnet]

ah ok

[runic hornet]

it's not quite "as bolt goes out"

there's a small delay

[boreal sun]

lol

[runic hornet]

but again, it's smaller than the "natural" delay between shot and next charge

by a large amount

[boreal sun]

you can literally charge up and release any attack before you get to 100% and you'll be ok

[runic hornet]

like you don't click LMB and then instantly tap R

it's not a simultaneous input

[shut thorn]

do this w/ bb

do 99% bb pls

[kindred edge]

I really need Fatshark to make soulblaze not suck. Real bummer to get so many feats and perks focused around something that's such a waste of time.

[boreal sun]

obv not bb

bb is is 97%

[trim garnet]

it just needs to not be nonlinear scaling

[boreal sun]

staves are not 97%

[runic hornet]

use purgatus staff
that's it, really

[trim garnet]

if it was a flat amount of damage per stack it wouldnt suck as much cock

[runic hornet]

The soulblaze specifc feats except 30-2 all suck though yeah

[boreal sun]

you can charge up flame staff up to 100% and release the attack completely

and not blow up.

[night marten]

this

[shut thorn]

just so you know, purgatus got a massive nerf after release

You used to be able to crash people by aiming it at their "camera"

[cyan notch]

u blow up with trauma at like 80% lol

[tranquil fiber]

quick Q, is Ascendant Blaze damage affected by the Burn stat on Purge staff?

[boreal sun]

trauma is 99%

[runic hornet]

It's still completely usable
it's weaker than zealot flamer but never experiences a pants-dropped moment of "and now, I must reload"

[boreal sun]

i literally tested all the staves

they all have the same threshold

[trim garnet]

wrack and ruin would be good if brain burst didnt suck and if soulblaze wasnt trash until you stacked it super high :(

[shut thorn]

im memeing

[night marten]

good question

[runic hornet]

as someone who has literally been using nothnig but trauma staff for hte past 3 days, this is fixed now

I have been using trauma @ >90% perils for days

[shut thorn]

there really isnt a diff from PB->release other than making the particle count lower so it doesn't crash PCs

[sage flower]

soul blaze, bleed, and burn all need to be looked at.

[cyan notch]

peril

[trim garnet]

is blaze the only one with the weird damage curve or are bleed and burn like that too

[magic burrow]

I dont like to stress the fact that the Psyker rocks, but he jus does,So, for all you staff users out there, feel free to come in and post, my staff is a good one, but here is how it goes

1. post message in the room
2. LOOK IT OVER
3. dont report anything, i might get in trouble 🙂
   and 4. Have fun!!!

https://puu.sh/Ju6X2/66fb8f74d9.png

[shut thorn]

periles

[cyan notch]

thats the french psyker

[runic hornet]

My "combo" is small (0-10-20% perils)->big (20-40-70% perils) -> another big (70-90-100% perils)"
I have been using this combo for days and have literally never insta-exploded once
IF i exploded it was because I clicked when I charged up to 100% and THEN i clicked

[fresh reef]

hmm..
something seems off here

[sage flower]

I don't know about the damage curve on bleed, just that the bleed build on zealot and ogryn deals anemic (pardon the pun) damage. To be fair though, it doesn't need to do much damage on ogryn.

[runic hornet]

bleed and burn do that too

exponential damage curve

[trim garnet]

its a weird design to make it nonlinear imo

[tranquil fiber]

[trim garnet]

makes it so that anything applying (X) stacks one and done kinda fucking blows

unless its enough stacks to do real damage

[shut thorn]

someone on day1 baited me w this when i went "WOW THATS AN AMAZING SURGE"

ffs

[magic burrow]

are you saying sprinting around left clicking at poxwalkers isnt way better strategically than being able to charge secondary attacks more rapidly?

[shut thorn]

was only looking at model and sliders

[tranquil fiber]

lool

[shut thorn]

the left one is a surge, the right one is a purg

[trim garnet]

warp flurry on purg seems kinda odd

[sage flower]

It doesn't let you charge while sprinting does it?

[runic hornet]

nope

[trim garnet]

if it did the blessing would be actually super good but alas

[runic hornet]

only while spamming LMB orbeez

[shut thorn]

nope

[fresh reef]

no I mean look at the staff images lol

[shut thorn]

tho a lot of people arent aware u can sprint with a charged surge regardless of blessings

[night marten]

staff skins apply to all staff types

[trim garnet]

seems like its just surge though :/

[glacial abyss]

yeah staff skins go hard because i can change the way surge look!!!!

[sage flower]

Yeah, seems like an easy fix for the one guy at fat shark who occasionally tries to balance the game.

[tight saddle]

can someone clip the void rmb cancel so I can get an idea of the timing?

[shut thorn]

surge lets you sprint while charging, its intentional

[fresh reef]

me no want imperial bird
me want 🟨

[shut thorn]

that blessing is for lmb

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/broodwich-aqua-teen-hunger-force-master-shake-gif-25321632

[sage flower]

ah. Then dumb as heck. Give surge back the soulblaze blessing.

[shut thorn]

guns also have that blessing

[sage flower]

yeah, but why should it be possible to roll on a surge staff?

[shut thorn]

so ppl can sprint and press lmb

u can already sprint with surge staff charge

you cant do it on others

[fresh reef]

Sour Milk scammed me

never trusting his judgment again

[shut thorn]

why would you

[trim garnet]

if anyone has a blazing spirit force sword can you test if it applies to each individual hit of the warp attack

[shut thorn]

in the first place

look at him literally

[trim garnet]

or any on hit blessing for that matter

[night marten]

actually, I would still take this if you have nothing better

because of the R-cancel at 100% issue with purge

lets you not care about warp res nearly as much

it's still going to do work

[fresh reef]

I already have a 346 purg lol

[sonic aspen]

I kinda want to remove this blessing

[shut thorn]

wait

[shut thorn]

thats a yellow??

[glacial abyss]

i do cocaine with sire melk me and him and morrow are the boys

[fresh reef]

?

346 base stats

[shut thorn]

Thought it was a yellow 316 which would be hilarious

[trim garnet]

it would seem like its good but i assume you already suppress everything with the rmb itself?

[sage flower]

What else are you going to do with milk coins? use them on the base state 320 oranges he generates, and pay 5 times as much?

[night marten]

picked it up at a cool level 20

[fresh reef]

I've seen a 295 legendary in his shop before, at level 30

[shut thorn]

Wait for a blaze force sword w/ deflector that has decent stats

[fresh reef]

very comical

[sonic aspen]

Yeah flamers and purge staves seem to surpress enemies by firing flames at them it seems not entirely sure

[tranquil fiber]

@night marten Its the same across the board.
So you could effectively play the 6 Warp build with anything.

[shut thorn]

Also melk's yellows are like 400+ for me

Idk what is going on w u guys

U dont get staff and melk scams u harder

Maybe u did something to deserve it

[trim garnet]

does 6 charge ascendant blaze actually do good damage?

it felt underwhelming from footage ive seen but i dont think they were using battery

[glad tulip]

emperor's gift...

[sage flower]

Gonna take on average tends of thousands of days for that.

[still mango]

itll clear anything up to regular scab and dreg shooters just fine

[trim garnet]

not at lv30 psyker so i cant test myself yet

[shut thorn]

keep

[trim garnet]

neat.

[shut thorn]

for when dmg gets fixed

[still mango]

gunners or ragers will get to half health or lower on a full burn, but its primary use is to give you breathing room by clearing mass horde

[night marten]

it can kill trash
6-stack AB against damnation mobs https://gfycat.com/belovedshrillhornedtoad

[magic burrow]

melk can go snort warp charges off my sword Im not giving that man any melkbucks on a gamble

[trim garnet]

wow that is uh

[tranquil fiber]

ughhhh some people swearby it.... To be I feel its meh to be totally honest with you.

[trim garnet]

some crazy range

[fresh reef]

serious question, why are we not allowed to turn in weapons to Hadron in exchange for crafting materials?
Seems like such an obvious thing

[shut thorn]

a lot of people swear by purg in the first place

Ig its prob cuz they play pub

[trim garnet]

i mean i love the concept of spending my hard earned warp charges on a big damage aoe but its like idk

[tranquil fiber]

It's playstyle dependent

[trim garnet]

then again like

[bronze pulsar]

I do 6 stack AB for purgation staff although realistically most of that’s stuff dies to teammates

[sage flower]

immeasurably complex lore.

[night marten]

yea, soulblaze needs a buff

[trim garnet]

i feel like kinetic barrage/quicken are lackluster

[tranquil fiber]

It's more likely I haven't personally found a way to utilise it as well as others who find it great

[magic burrow]

if only warp charges were easier to obtain and retain

[shut thorn]

wdym wasnt that intended?

[trim garnet]

so blaze might just be the best in slot unless you dont want warp charges being eaten

[fresh reef]

can confirm purg carries the fuck out of subpar teammates

[bronze pulsar]

barrage is ok. It’s the only one that doesn’t break your stacks

[tranquil fiber]

but for me if I can use that combination with anything but Purge I'll be happy

[shut thorn]

ya I don't really play pub

[fresh reef]

I don't see an option for it anywhere, so I'd assume no?

[trim garnet]

yeah, the fact that its the only non charge consumer is its main benefit

[shut thorn]

Have a vet pocket that actually uses PS and has functioning braincells

[trim garnet]

i wish it also increased your bb damage

that would be pretty epic

[still mango]

giving your teammates room to smash specials and elites really trivializes most encounters, ascendant blaze is good

[bronze pulsar]

Yah, no drawbacks is a plus

[tranquil fiber]

The Purge build is more about 6 stacks and hitting F.
NOW that I don't have to use Purge as the damage doesn't benefit it, I'll likely use Void with that build

[shut thorn]

p sure their post abt crafting mentioned being able to sacrifice weps for mats later down the line

[worthy wasp]

Yeah nah the game is officially ruined for me

[still mango]

also, the 6 charge AB range is enormous

[tranquil fiber]

that or use it with Surge

[shut thorn]

?

[trim garnet]

does range scale with charges consumed?

[sage flower]

The real answer is because Tencent's engagement and metrics team determined that if crafting was easy, they would lose game hours and thus potential store sales. So they modeled their crafting system off of daily phone games.

[fresh reef]

I think it scales with peril, but don't quote me on that one

[still mango]

a little, its better tested in the meat grinder

[worthy wasp]

Quitting until we get the option to play solo with bots, some of these motherfuckers are 11/10 fucking retarded

[shut thorn]

Uh-huh

[trim garnet]

ngl id take any random over the brainrot ai we have rn

[worthy wasp]

Legitimately got kicked from a game because I wasnt listening to some dude who was trying to communicate using voice comms at the end of a mission

[trim garnet]

i miss my vt2 hacker bots

[night marten]

just gotta take a break for a day or two and come back fresh

[fresh reef]

bots
not retarded
Excuse me sibling, what fucking planet are you on?

[shut thorn]

Vets?

[night marten]

don't think tencent was involved to this extent in game design decisions

[worthy wasp]

I got my volume turned down and heard what sounded like a retard screeching, tardroaring in the distance

[trim garnet]

probably someone trying one of the more asinine penances

[tranquil fiber]

honestly don't take it personally, some people have joined playing this week and think they've been playing since last year lol.

[worthy wasp]

Something about a med pack

Then I got kicked

End of a t5

[tranquil fiber]

its bad

[trim garnet]

nevermind who the fuck knows then

[shut thorn]

lmao

yeah u cant get crafting materials

[tranquil fiber]

but yeah I'm sorry that happened to you @worthy wasp

[shut thorn]

thanks fatshark

[trim garnet]

i was gonna say like maybe some poor vet is trying to get his every shot counts penance but

this do be one of the moments of all time

[fresh reef]

@worthy wasp take solace in the fact that after kicking you and going to retrieve the medkit you dropped, they probably all died to 2 poxwalkers

[shut thorn]

that penance isn't something worth kicking ppl over

[tranquil fiber]

name

[shut thorn]

It's not even hard, use a revolver

[trim garnet]

so true

[worthy wasp]

I played solo+bots in vt2, waiting til we can do the same here

[tight saddle]

I suck at the void rmb cancel, can someone give the ms delays for the macro or a clip of the timing?

[trim garnet]

use revolver and just wait until near end of mission

fire all rounds into horde

😔

[vestal rose]

???
a good emperors gift??
I'll have to check if the low damage roll actually has a bigger effect than the numbers indicate but yeah
never seen a gift this high

[tranquil fiber]

hopefully that lands this week.

[sage flower]

fair enough. it's just as bad if fat shark made those decisions without influence.

[fresh reef]

holy shit that's nice

[worthy wasp]

Until then, I'm sick of ppl. Same mfers that fk up my order at the drivethrough

[regal basin]

thats a very nice surge staff

[fresh reef]

and 368 too, good lord

[shut thorn]

I'm sure ppl here wud be up for doing runs w/ u

[trim garnet]

theres a dairy queen near me that im not convinced is manned by real human beings, no matter what you order there is a >50% chance it gets fucked up somehow

[vestal rose]

it just saved me 800 plasteel I was about to put into my purple surge staff

[tranquil fiber]

Tencent be rolling in it this days - they have fingers dipped in most AAA studios

[shut thorn]

CIA experiment, you'll get a free gun in the coming weeks

[tranquil fiber]

they have a 35 (?) % stake in Fatshark

[regal basin]

it doesnt really have any blessings better than what your seeing there and the crit perk synergises nicely with the rest of the weapon, 20% more infested damage is a bit eh but helps a little with hordes where its weakest and killing dogs at least

[shut thorn]

ok but

[trim garnet]

the AAA game industry and its consequences have been a disaster for our society

[shut thorn]

wheres the blackrock gaming conspirancy

considering they literally own almost every company

[vestal rose]

I'd probably reroll the infested to flak or carapace, depending on how the damage looks
very pleased

[shut thorn]

ngl

All I want

Is deflector to be a default feature

[tardy flower]

Surge already dunks flak, prob add carapace when possible

[shut thorn]

Of FS

[night marten]

damn near dunks that too, better than most anyway

[regal basin]

i want a way to get stacks without spending 2 seconds on a dull brainburst

everything in the class is fun exept brainburst

[shut thorn]

feats

[vestal rose]

surge does a silly amount of damage to carapace

[tranquil fiber]

stats are nice I'd personally get a good Suppress blessing to replace Crit chance - Surge isn't for damage at the end of the day, its a crow dcontrol staff

[shut thorn]

and ngl i dont care for stacks anymore

cant explode on surge rn

[regal basin]

i dont bother with stacks normally but im experimenting with ascendant flame and purgatus staff

wiping a huge horde of enemies just like that really helps

[shut thorn]

AB gives you stacks for killing w/ purg

[vestal rose]

I mostly use it for stunning specials and killing/stunning ranged squads, so more damage against shooty fellows isn't a bad thing
plus crit seems really good on surge staff

[regal basin]

yeah i know, im saying i wish other staffs could give you stacks for normal gameplay too

[trim garnet]

fr wish they would make inner tranquility part of the base charge effect

[shut thorn]

wdym they can

there's another feat that gives you charges for killing

in coherency iirc

[trim garnet]

i think he means from AB itself

[night marten]

communion

[vestal rose]

i will never not run psychic communion for that reason
more ways that involve your actual mechanics would be VERY nice, though
(fs special should give a warp charge i reckon)

[regal basin]

its 4% chance, doesn't keep stacks up, and its competing with giving everyone more specials

[night marten]

think aura is a better choice over communion with a decent/pre-made team

[shut thorn]

you guys dont know how good it was when simply doing warp damage

gave you toughness

[trim garnet]

god forbid they make it so warp charges arent horrible to upkeep without communion on 4 or 5 though

[shut thorn]

lmao

[night marten]

I think it's the safer choice in an unreliable pub group though

[regal basin]

making brainburst better would be fairly easy tbh

[vestal rose]

I think it would be good if they changed it overall, yeah

[shut thorn]

why tho

its not your main wep

its an utility

[regal basin]

yeah but its a poor utility in terms of gameplay flow

[trim garnet]

they need to make less of the feats bb oriented

if its gonna be a utility tool

[shut thorn]

imo its fine where it is

[dusky lantern]

Having trouble keeping your stack up? 🍆

[regal basin]

balance wise its fine, gameplay wise its steaming dogshit

[tight saddle]

I've been practicing the void rmb cancel since I got a good one now and I can't get the timing down. Can anyone give some tips?

[shut thorn]

I just want the target locking from closed beta

[regal basin]

nah i normally ignore stacks when im playing surge and purgatus builds stacks like crazy when it needs them

[shut thorn]

Where it more aggressively prioritized elites

[trim garnet]

ive never understood this tbh just brainburst some trashmob every 20 or so seconds

[shut thorn]

And enemies you previously bb'd

[trim garnet]

SO TRUE

it was so much better

[shut thorn]

You used to be able to aim at a crowd of poxwalkers and it'd prioritize the elite

[vestal rose]

spamming jump and squinting at the pixels to see if I finally locked on to the sniper's head

[shut thorn]

Really thats the only change bb needs

Maybe highlight the elite/special too

After doing bb dmg to it

[regal basin]

ive found tagging into the crowd helps bb lock specials more reliably

[night marten]

even then it's iffy

[regal basin]

its not perfect but its an improvement over nothing

[tight saddle]

not after release, that was a mechanic in the beta, but now it's complete ass compared to how it was

[sick kindle]

I say I say I say. That is a very STRONG candidate for a very good roll.

[boreal sun]

"todays update will come out tomorrow!"

[regal basin]

really helps the markman see which head your highlighting for them

[shut thorn]

Honestly it's annoying that you can only highlight one special at a time rn

[tight saddle]

you were able to BB into packs and get exactly what target you want easily

[sick kindle]

It was just hiding as a grey in the shop

[night marten]

wonder why it shows this in the modifiers score

[shut thorn]

hahahaha time to spam sedition

[boreal sun]

yeah, it would be nice if they fixed that.

[shut thorn]

lmao isnt it 350 capped

or was it 375

[boreal sun]

i've seen 381

[night marten]

yea I think that's just a visual bug where it's representing total score instead of base stats

[shut thorn]

iirc number can be higher but wont actually go past 375(?)

[tight saddle]

some go above 380 but it's a bug and when you add everything up it doesn't actually add up past 380

[trim garnet]

iirc its 380

[night marten]

it's 380

[still mango]

confirmed just now the f skill scales a bit with warp charges, but not much

standing by the 2 gunners in the meat grinder, i was able to reach the hound and flamer with 6 charges, and just the flamer with 0 charges

so not much

[shut thorn]

That's confirmed ages ago

[still mango]

someone asked a few minutes ago, just followig up

[shut thorn]

also I will say this

[tight saddle]

For example look at my hammer on my zealot, it says 380 but if you add them up it's 379

[shut thorn]

closed beta peril meter was better

and the crunch noise was nicer

on bb

[shut thorn]

prob one of them is like 79.9%

[trim garnet]

^

[tight saddle]

I've seen a weapon that shows 387 but adding them up only gave 376

the rating visual bug is weird

[shut thorn]

feature*

keeps you on your toes

wait

since when was modifier score

%%% based

[kindred edge]

Decent, yeah?

[hot tulip]

there should be awards given to you post match that gives you crafting rewards for:

Most Kills
Most Revives
Most Saves
Most Elite kills

etc

[shut thorn]

nvm brainfart

[long wharf]

when does the patch drop today?

[hot tulip]

that way we dont have to spam malice for crafting materials

[shut thorn]

we used to have a scoreboard

we used to have power sword

[hot tulip]

yeah but that got dumpstered

[shut thorn]

we used to have good bb locking

[hot tulip]

yes

psyker got shafted so hard in the beta because people based balacing around like dif 2-3 when dif 5 wasnt a thing yet

[night marten]

going to post this earlier but had to step away for a bit #psyker-class message

doesn't seem like the range is affected whether you're at 4 or 6 stacks

[cyan notch]

not gonna work imo people are just gonna game the system

oh most kills? lemme just farm adds and not do objectives

most elite kills all the vets are gonna get it

[hot tulip]

i mean technically we are killing everything in front of us regardless

[shut thorn]

thats why u use revolver and take their ammo away

[hot tulip]

maybe erm.. like make killing a secondary obj or something? idk

[clear heath]

Bro if there was a reward for most kills, the vets would actively try to kill steal everything you try to BB

[hot tulip]

okay there has to be at least a feat that doesnt detract from the general gameplay that all players can perform to award crafting mats

[wooden silo]

Honestly, having something's head glow blue does make targeting pretty easy 🤔

[frigid zenith]

I'd like to see, a damage done. Fuck just kills.

[hot tulip]

instead of just scavenger hunting

[cyan notch]

yea its called er pick up scriptures

[hot tulip]

okay we need more than that- and we all know scrip hunting is buggy af rn

[long wharf]

please tell me that's real

[shut thorn]

its not

[night marten]

this is the funniest shit to me

[shut thorn]

if only it was real

then vets would know what it feels like when they sabotage everyone for their dumb penances

[long wharf]

should call one "Budget Veteran" "As a Psykinetic, shoot more shots than anyone else on the team while doing the least amount of total damage"

[cyan notch]

or this might sound absurd and outlandish but hear me out how about we got drops at the end of missions that scaled with difficulty

[shut thorn]

WOAH!!!!!! Is this a new CONCEPT?!

I'm not sure if they can implement such a difficult feature

[celest oar]

that would be an interesting penance, totally not griefing

[shut thorn]

Look at the vet ones

[hot tulip]

stop it, you are making too much sense here, not allowed for Fatshark to see

[shut thorn]

They deserve it

[cyan notch]

one can only dream

[sage flower]

maybe even drops which you can salvage into plasteel and diamantine

oh, and hadron can take some diamantine and plasteel from you to make a random weapon of a type of your choice!

[shut thorn]

You know what could add unto this??

If carrying grimoires to the end

Affected it too!

[clear heath]

salvage into crafting materials? it's never been done before

[shut thorn]

Really groundbreaking stuff

[clear heath]

no game could ever accomplish this

[celest oar]

pretty sure our suicide bomb one is equally bad

[shut thorn]

I'm gonna stop joking before I get vanished

Sorry fatshark devs :)

[cyan notch]

you might be on to something here

[shut thorn]

Don't ban me :))))))))

[hot tulip]

or buying limited amounts of crafting materials from ingame stores! What a revolutionary idea

[long wharf]

"Budget Ogryn" "As a psykinetic, in a team with an Ogryn equipped with a shield, block more total damage than any other player in the mission"

[shut thorn]

it's not heresy

[sage flower]

I think fat shark is worried that if they let players choose the weapons they wanted to craft, it wouldn't give us enough agency. Don't you think that player agency is best served by only letting us choose from ten random blue or grey weapons every hour?

[shut thorn]

ngl I do this every game I run w friends

Antax is just 2good

[long wharf]

it really is

[shut thorn]

Random steel axe > slab shield > literally a 10 thousand year old force sword

[cyan notch]

[long wharf]

you mean Ancient steel axe that once served a Primarch > random steel door turned into a shield > "force sword"

[shut thorn]

Emperor of mankind has psychic powers to manipulate what people see

When people saw him use a force sword

[celest oar]

lol patch delayed

[shut thorn]

In reality

[celest oar]

wait till general explodes

[shut thorn]

He used an antax mk v

[long wharf]

how do you know?

[celest oar]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/community-update-5-week-2/67057/385

[long wharf]

oh snap.

[celest oar]

well general exploding is nothing new

[vague chasm]

General has been exploding since this morning. There's too much toxicity.

[olive ember]

the sad part was that the closed beta actually let you salvage for mats iirc lmao

[shut thorn]

darktide discord challenge: go into general claiming psyker is the most versatile class

[clear heath]

There were materials in closed beta?

[olive ember]

but it is outside of veteran

[shut thorn]

yes

[olive ember]

there was you couldn't use them for shit tho

[shut thorn]

they did nothing

but u cud pick them up

[clear heath]

lmao

[shut thorn]

and collect them

[long wharf]

there weren't any mats

[shut thorn]

???? Yes there were lol

[olive ember]

i'm pretty sure there was

[long wharf]

oh weird, nevermind

[olive ember]

oh the weeklies were even worse in the closed beta

because they weren't shared with team

[boreal sun]

lol

[olive ember]

so imagine "pick up 200 plasteel" but everyone is just speed running to get to the rng spawn plasteel around the map first

[boreal sun]

patch comes out tomorrow, not today.

[shut thorn]

I liked getting random blue penance gear in closed beta without knowing wtf unlocked it

And the bugged frames

Lmao

[vague chasm]

I mean as long as it's fun who cares. I enjoy being a space wizard on the verge of exploding the whole match.

[shut thorn]

4 psykers for t5 is extreme ez mode

Idk what else to say

Psyker is incredibly viable, issue is 90% of psykers don't know how to play psyker

[celest oar]

ogryn chat xD

[shut thorn]

Sadly I'm not a ytber so I'm not going to be making some guide, doubt anyone else here would either

The current guides for psyker are filled with BS

[clear heath]

A couple days ago i was playing heresy and saw a psyker with voidstrike staff
he spammed left click the entire run

[shut thorn]

ow that hurt

[celest oar]

maybe he was just using for the quell peril perks?

[shut thorn]

you can literally fire as fast as normal left click with cancelling with decent dmg if u wait a tiny bit

[celest oar]

and volley fire

[shut thorn]

the blessing applies to rmb too

[celest oar]

and double projectile... hmmm

[cyan notch]

yknow what ur absolutely right now i understand. the previous posts’ wording was really nebulous and confusing

[vague chasm]

I looked some classes to see what internet had to say and oh god. I saw some of the worst reasoning behind some choices, I'm sure most of the articles I saw were of people who never touched the game.

[celest oar]

might be too lazy to use right click

[boreal sun]

only bad thing about psyker is that the talents are just all over the place

[shut thorn]

3/4 of guides are by youtubers who get carried in t5

[boreal sun]

and warp charge is just terrible

[clear heath]

I don't even remember him ever using the right click

Dude just spammed left click on enemies till they died

[shut thorn]

fatshark featured a "damnation" guide/build awhile ago that

[clear heath]

was around level 20

[celest oar]

its the pollitically correct answer, "Imma give you anticipation by giving you a date, but conveniently leave out that patch will drop on that day"

[shut thorn]

Is not viable lmao

[teal needle]

Regular left click is usually enough to deal with walkerss and most shooters. Assuming they're alone. If multiple units are anywhere close to each other it very much does not make sense to left click. For vs staff

[long wharf]

the core mechanics for psyker are clunky and don't synergize well

[celest oar]

it works in some games, but not when darktide community is already on fire and theres gonna be backlash

[long wharf]

I enjoy playing psyker despite BB and warp charges

[shut thorn]

BB is just utility

[long wharf]

yep

[runic juniper]

Dont use online articles for builds in any game, unless the game has been out for long enough to let those dumb authors copy paste an actually good build. But that usually takes decades

[shut thorn]

It's lore accurate that way

[long wharf]

for the odd sniper or specialist that the team can't easily deal with

[shut thorn]

Force weapons exist for a reason

[vague chasm]

Nah BB is not your main weapon but it is very useful in some cases.

[shut thorn]

the issue occurs when fatshark puts said builds literally into the launcher

[long wharf]

when did I say BB was a main weapon?

[shut thorn]

alt universe

[long wharf]

I guess?

[teal needle]

Tbh after all this time playing psyker on high difficulty I've nearly forgotten warp charges exist. Bb is a niche thing that I use enough to remember it exists but I use it far less than I use the ultimate when playing other classes

[runic juniper]

Lol. Lmao.

[dusky lantern]

main weapon is knife

[vague chasm]

I understood that you didn't like it

[long wharf]

I play as if warp charges don't exist

[runic juniper]

Love me some difficulty level 2 builds

[shut thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgvDFx34fU

its this one

claims to be damnation

look at item ratings

and his weird feat selection

pyramid

[boreal sun]

yeah

he picked out some ugly feet

[long wharf]

this ought to be good for a laugh...

[boreal sun]

toenails not even trimmed

[shut thorn]

If he said it was a malice build, I wouldn't care

I care because every new player or unaware psyker sees that now in the launcher

And it claims to be for t5

[clear heath]

imo the only weird feat choice is this

[shut thorn]

Iirc he doesnt even go over how coherency is important

[shut thorn]

look at his weps

[boreal sun]

it's not bad if soulblaze was actually good

because you add that with flamer

it'd actually be nutty

[fresh reef]

yeah this one is pretty bad tbh, especially given the options

[shut thorn]

Like this is my gripe, presenting it in the launcher like this

[fresh reef]

"would you rather wipe a horde off the map with AB, or tickle a single elite?"

[boreal sun]

i think using that + flame staff + the 30 soul agony would absolutely destroy bosses

[teal needle]

"Conquer poxwalkers"

[cyan notch]

well tbh since the trendy thing to say is that damnation is easy u can use whatever you want

[fresh reef]

I've been wondering if that video was worth watching
I'll now watch it for a laugh

[shut thorn]

yes but these are new people who don't know abt coherency or anything

[shut thorn]

I initially watched it hoping there was some tech I wasn't aware of

He never even goes over any tech

And keeps insisting brainburst is important

[clear heath]

Honestly the only things i hate about the build is that 1 feat and the sword

[tight saddle]

I still use Prisoner garbs and some guys were trying to give me tips and protect as if I was new before we got to fighting enemies, it was too wholesome to not play along.

[clear heath]

too lazy to go through everything he says about it

[long wharf]

you know, if soulblaze also made enemies weak to force/warp attacks, it might be worth using

[lucid mortar]

The beauty of testing after release is you get free game design information from customers

[fresh reef]

saying brainburst is important to a psyker is like saying any other blitz is core to a class

[shut thorn]

He even says "What brings this build home and together is kinetic barrage"

[shut thorn]

They got said information in closed beta and PB

And ignored it

[runic juniper]

At the very least the people looking up guides for damnation rather than using the intuition gained from actually playing the class through lvl 30 arent going far in damnation anyways

[fresh reef]

when does patch go live today?

[lucid mortar]

Lol betas aren’t for testing, they’re for preorders

[shut thorn]

It doesn't

[shut thorn]

Closed beta had nothing to do with preorder

The testing prior to that did neither, you were paid for pre closed beta testing

[lucid mortar]

Closed betas are game development

This game is unfinished lol

[clear heath]

the beta never ends

[cyan notch]

how dare you say that

[celest oar]

delayed https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/community-update-5-week-2/67057/355

[teal needle]

I mean, if I didn't know that deflector existed hearing it from others I wouldn't know that deflector exists at all because I haven't fucking seen it yet 🙃 the same was with peril transfer on void staff for the first 100 hours of play 🙃🙃🙃

[fresh reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgvDFx34fU&ab_channel=WetMagic
first two seconds of the video he wastes his ability instead of quelling to 97
fucking wheeze

[shut thorn]

At-least it's not like the network testing beta where they launched the beta the moment they got off work

[lucid mortar]

Betas used to be about finding bugs

[cyan notch]

ill have u know fatshark is graciously letting us reroll one perk and locking the other be grateful for your scraps

[celest oar]

after nearly 300 hours, i have yet to see double hit on voidstrike

[shut thorn]

Which ended up in people having to return office to fix the servers melting

Epic

[clear heath]

I'm pretty sure he just used the ability to proc kinetic barrage

[shut thorn]

he cudve even gone over 100% and then wasted ability

[long wharf]

In the grim dark future of game development, there is only beta and early access software

[fresh reef]

likely, but I don't exactly see why

[clear heath]

For faster casts

[shut thorn]

I'm not gonna talk behind his back further, I'm just not happy with how he presented this guide without consulting anyone from here and got fatshark to feature it

"High level build"

"Damnation"

[long wharf]

he should rename his psyker to "wet noodle" for all the enemies he's killing with BB in that video

[clear heath]

If we wanna talk optimal use of the ability of kinetic barrage, he should've vented down to 50% first and then ulted so he could spam more

[long wharf]

what a waste of time

[cyan notch]

tbh consulting anyone here is gonna get even worse results

[fresh reef]

kek

[cyan notch]

nobody is gonna agree on anything

[fresh reef]

likely. half this channel still thinks trauma is fundamentally bad

[shut thorn]

Wdym, people will still say what's better flat out

[shut thorn]

It's not bad, it's bugged

I've been saying this since day 1

It should be doing more dmg than any other staff but its not

[long wharf]

fundamentally? no, but nowhere near as good as the other options

[cyan notch]

sure but then even so what if u get into specifics people are gonna disagree a lot morr

[shut thorn]

if someone posts a dumb opinion you can just ask them to post gear and they'll shut up quickly

[fresh reef]

wait fuck I forgot I'm supposed to be shilling purg staff today

[long wharf]

aw, his video part where he's in the meat grinder, he cut the bit short so that viewers wouldn't see BB not killing things in one hit

[shut thorn]

veteran sabotage..

[lucid mortar]

Go make better guides

[cyan notch]

well sure but this is your hypothetical about “consulting people here” for a guide

[fresh reef]

[shut thorn]

Like lets not beat around the bush, if he claimed the stuff he does in the vid he wud've been corrected very quickly

[long wharf]

4 stacks of soulblaze on that specialist... ticking for 10 damage... yeah sure, that's really "softening them up"

[fresh reef]

this would be so fucking good if damage and burn were swapped

[shut thorn]

Why does he not talk about coherency
Why does he not talk about antax
Why does he not talk about cc

[lucid mortar]

Fattshark can't feature a superior guide that doesn't exist

[long wharf]

because there's no way to make an honest guide about how the psyker class performs as advertized by Fat Shark

there's no "cannon" with psyker

it's just a "glass"

[shut thorn]

This, how weird would it be if they flat out said "to play psyker you have to use a steel axe and ditch 3/4 of the weps available"

when ppl pick psyker for funny space magic headpop advertisements

[cyan notch]

yes like all videos of these kind (not just dt) there will be critical comments regardless

[long wharf]

imagine being the glass cannon that can't nuke anything

[shut thorn]

YOU WILL.. Be a cc slave

[long wharf]

the void staff is the only thing that explodes with any sense of AoE

[shut thorn]

[long wharf]

and it's only good at killing trash mobs

[lucid mortar]

yall are so dramatic lol

[shut thorn]

Void has utility for helping egghunters who get lost

[long wharf]

sure, it staggers things, but we aren't talking about how the psyker is advertised as the CC class

[shut thorn]

You can stun specials

Kinda

[sinful stream]

You don't have to use the axe. You are a slave to the "op" meta if you think you have to

[pine iris]

All psyker play group is going great. we haven't lost a heresy run yet

[long wharf]

psyker is literally called the "glass cannon" by Fat Shark's own writing

[shut thorn]

I'm not going to use cat

[long wharf]

not "prime support"

[shut thorn]

I mean if the anim cancels are canon

[lucid mortar]

We can argue that psyker's current state doesn't reflect the communicated playstyle promises and that's fair

[shut thorn]

Then it's not entirely wrong

[long wharf]

psykers are a hell of a lot of fun to play, we all complain because we want the core mechanics to work well

[lucid mortar]

but to say stuff like "I can't kill anything but trash" is just lul

[long wharf]

we have fun around BB and warp charges, instead of with

[shut thorn]

ngl I like psyker a lot

Zealot felt meh

Ogryn is fun

Vet felt meh

[sinful stream]

I had a PUG 3 psyker team and npone communicated with me in the lobby so we ended up All having the same staff.... I wanted to flex pick ro cover the roles

[long wharf]

same, I couldn't wait to be done playing my vet to 30

[clear heath]

I tried playing zealot and i feel like i have to try really hard to not make it feel like just a shittier vet

[long wharf]

every mission felt like I just wanted to go back to psyker already

[shut thorn]

tbh not really an issue

Ive done 4 psyker surge runs

Its a nice change of gameplay

You just stun everything and run past