psyker-class

[kindred delta]

anyone got good missions for pick n' mix?

[grave bobcat]

Trauma dmg is bugged atm on non-crit hits 🙂

[boreal crystal]

No, game communites are decidedly less toxic than in the past. Which leads to people just jumping into channels demanding personalized answers without trying to search/read even once

[kindred delta]

trauma is just generally terrible

bad staff

[ancient crag]

purgatus is lol flamethrower neuron activation but feels strictly worse than the zealot flamer and dps isn't actually all that good

[kindred delta]

best staff is surge prove me wrong

[ornate abyss]

Surge is best

[ancient crag]

surge feels like the only staff that fits a niche that isn't better covered by another class

[ornate abyss]

the one with flames is very bad

like increadibly bad

[grave bobcat]

The only thing I can get the Antax cleave to be stopped mid block swing is carapace armor included in the swing

[river sand]

the one where you gotta secure the train station (with the AA weapons). right before you jump down to the last battle you can see usually like 10 elites you can get

[grave bobcat]

Otherwise I literally can't get it to stop

[ancient crag]

yeah idk what people are on when they rave about purgatus horde dps

my experience with it has been like

[boreal crystal]

it's not incredibly bad

[ornate abyss]

imo

[boreal crystal]

it is the best psykers have at clearing infinite horde

[ancient crag]

I point my gout of flames at a mob of enemies for 2 seconds

[boreal crystal]

and its left click puff does stagger most stuff which is nice

[ornate abyss]

it is only good against hordes

but not against anything else

[ancient crag]

literally anyone else with a melee walks up and twoshots like 20 poxwalkers

[river sand]

trauma can be really good. but you gotta aim really good and its a bit situational

[ornate abyss]

you are extra vulnerable against pistoliers

[muted tundra]

Real talk, use what you want. Get good at dodge slides.

[ancient crag]

I have done literally nothing with my zippo staff

[grave bobcat]

Each staff comes with pros/cons so its just what you value more

[boreal crystal]

I think it's not worth bringing because it mainly is only good vs hordes, but it's stupid to say it's incredibly bad

[ancient crag]

feels like I'd rather use melee against horde instead of purgatus

and it's mediocre to bad against everything else so

[boreal crystal]

it's way way way way way better than melee

[grave bobcat]

I feel the same but if you start including 4 maulers inside that horde for example

[severe folio]

hi guys

[grave bobcat]

You'd prob prefer the purge

[muted tundra]

I like voidstrike for hordes if you can funnel them. No bodyblocking and I dont blind my team

[ancient crag]

if there's 4 maulers inside that horde I'd rather have surge

[ornate abyss]

It may not be "incredibly" bad but it is only one-use and gets you killed so much easier than surge staff ie. Makes life so much harder

[grave bobcat]

If I have a horde in front of me and 4 maulers, Surge means I'm going to get hit lol

[severe folio]

i come to ask for tips in leveling

[ancient crag]

surge offers actual utility that other classes can't provide easily (on-demand elite cc)

[grave bobcat]

Surge is pathetic vs normal trash

[severe folio]

is there different setup before you reach level 30

[ancient crag]

every other staff's role is better performed by another class

[severe folio]

to compensate for lack of certain skills at level 20-30

[clear heath]

Idk man, the first guide on google i found recommends mind in motion. I don't think google is trustworthy at all for this

[river sand]

if surge would do the same damage to dregs as it does to scabs it would be really great

[muted tundra]

The only actual benefit of a Stave is resource conservation for your team

[grave bobcat]

What did you even google

And also.

[clear heath]

"darktide best psyker feats"

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[mystic mountain]

Guys i noticed this trick when you play psyker, basically if you use an ability and you're at 100% charge you 'll explode. But if you're 99 and charge an ability and strike, you will succeed and don't explode. So basically when you're at 100 ,relax just to get 99 and then strike and repeat

[muted tundra]

Most guides you'll find online are also people that never played above T3 though, different game

[grave bobcat]

^

And back to my point, knowing that peril block makes you nigh unkillable is the nuanced shit that I can tell you about

[muted tundra]

Yup, game changer. Except for surge before they fixed it

[grave bobcat]

Rather than you discovering it in-game..

[mystic mountain]

Pretty dope

[grave bobcat]

Because if you're looking at a guide someone else made, you're still referring to someone else's answers..

[river sand]

and then you get those crappy clickbaiting-like sites. go youtube check some guides

[ancient crag]

anyways it's so jarring to go from playing veteran who can melt an entire horde of gunners + a normal horde + 10 specials with one skill activation in like 20 seconds to psyker who barely kills like 2~3 specials within that same timeframe

[worthy wasp]

Ye the AB builds were all clickbait af

[muted tundra]

Recon lasgun, same effect

[river sand]

its actually 97%

[grave bobcat]

Some dude writing a clickbait guide doesn't give a shit about knowing about the niche shit...

[ancient crag]

oh right peril blocking is pretty funny/useful when you just sit in the middle of a horde and become unkillable

[worthy wasp]

Ye like all the psyker guides out there are ass

Thats part of the problem

[grave bobcat]

Yeah, while I did pick Psyker to be the glass cannon mage. I really like the tanky support we actually are 🥲

[ancient crag]

and then one shooter squad shows up and your toughness is instantly gone

really gotta find myself a deflector force sword

[grave bobcat]

Teammates going down aren't really an issue for you to ress lol

[severe folio]

so how exactly do you play psyker

surge shock cc them ?

[ancient crag]

yeah basically

[grave bobcat]

Gl, I've gone through I think I've gone through maybe 20 Force Swords all 360+ now that didn't roll deflector lmao

[severe folio]

what about prior to level 30, how do you do it

is there some sort of balance between cc and killing to get me to level 30

[boreal crystal]

any of the psyker roles is prety fun

[hollow stirrup]

hi psykers, how are bosses doing

[grave bobcat]

Prior to 30 you're prob not doing t4/t5 anyway when it's "required"

[boreal crystal]

void staff feels amazing

[worthy wasp]

The sheeple be like "i wanna play psyker, gonna youtube a guide!!!" and all the guides are shit and ppl are either screeching "AB build bro!!!" or "surge staff op!!!" When AB build isnt the meta for t4/t5 and surge staff is great but niche... so get you get plebs spamming surge staff at hordes and crying about shitty dps

[severe folio]

prob not, no

does that mean anything goes ?

[grave bobcat]

Yeah

And tbh

Do whatever you want and get good with whatever you find fun anyways

[severe folio]

i see

[ancient crag]

to be fair none of the staffs deal "good" dps when compared to a veteran

[severe folio]

what about directions of what i want to use

[azure radish]

I have made it to level 29 without being able to obtain a single lightning staff via store or rewards

[ancient crag]

and if you're gonna use a gun might as well play veteran instead lol

[kindred delta]

alri, i'll see what I can do

[severe folio]

knowing what i like and knowing how to use it is two different thing so

[grave bobcat]

It's a PvE game with no SBMM so being a good player will benefit you more than a build will supplement you lol

[kindred delta]

my gear isnt really good for that difficulty lol

[kindred delta]

where is my surge staff i need a new surge staff

[worthy wasp]

Ye, in practice its little mechanical shit that makes Psyker incredibly strong.

Peril block and Quietude are insane

[river sand]

pick a role and stick to it. you could run force sword with deflector and purg staff. makes you horde killer. and with fs you can close distance to gunners. Or surge and any melee weapon. makes you cc monster that can kill armored stuff. or void and become a backline artillery

[worthy wasp]

And you dont appreciate how strong those 2 are together unless youre good at the game

[severe folio]

what is fs ?

[ancient crag]

peril block is super strong but without deflector and no semi-competent veteran it only takes one gunner to ruin your day

[grave bobcat]

Personally I like making sure specials never touch my team. Just horde clearing isn't the best 🙂

[severe folio]

oh force sword

[azure radish]

I gotta say though I have been getting pretty good at the little headpopper zap with most of the other staves

[grave bobcat]

Force Sword

Ye

[river sand]

force sword

[worthy wasp]

Proper positioning

[severe folio]

i like the purg staff so far, so im trying to learn how to use it effectively

where do i stand in the team, what to shoot etc

[worthy wasp]

Non-force Weapons are really strong on Psyker

[severe dove]

Might have to use a little bit of combat axe

[grave bobcat]

A lot of Psyker positioning is teammate related tbh

[azure radish]

I've seen a million different opinions but what do you guys think of the void strike staff? I like the ability to penetrate my foes

[worthy wasp]

Because the auto-passive quell is insane on non-force melees

[grave bobcat]

Lmfao

[clear heath]

if your team is that bad, you can always just hide and spam lightning

[boreal crystal]

voidstaff is the most fun staff imo

[river sand]

non force weapons are good cause they quell peril faster. i had a blast with mk5 axe (good cleave on push attack) and chain sword

[boreal crystal]

but I use lightning because it is ridiculously OP

[azure radish]

If my team sucks and I cant even maneuver out of danger effectively I just try to headpop as usual

[grave bobcat]

Can't wait for someone to get upset you said this 🥲

[severe dove]

I use purg with ascendant blaze

And warp battery

[severe folio]

i dont have ascendant blaze yet

[grave bobcat]

You doing t4/t5s?

[severe dove]

Ascendant blaze is core to using the purg staff

[severe folio]

yeah

[azure radish]

t4s.. iirc at that level psyker is pretty much only a specialist hunter, yeah?

[river sand]

i personally hate the purg staff. you see nothing on the screen, low range and slow movement. but it has its moments. its a worse zealot flamer that doesnt eat ammo

[severe folio]

is the purg staff apply that burning effect called soulblaze ?

[severe dove]

As the purg staff IS soulblaze so every kill with the staff has a 10% chance to give you a warp charge

[grave bobcat]

Depends on kit you bring

[severe folio]

i see

[clear heath]

You can bring psyker as crowd control with lightning

[severe dove]

There is a patch tomorrow/later today right?

12th?

[severe folio]

also is there an effective way to hunt those suicide bomber, dog as a psyker ?

[grave bobcat]

But I will say if you're using BB on anything but Bombers and Snipers (If you're not using Surge include Bulwarks into this list) you're fuckin up

[river sand]

nah get rid of that idea. brain burst sucks. only good for snipers and bullwarks

[grave bobcat]

It's prob the only hard advice I stand by

[severe dove]

just use bb

[severe folio]

they move really fast and usually before their head pop they jumped on someone

[azure radish]

I am still figuring out what build I like most since I am perpetually confused by what traits I want to bring, but I rock usually a force staff and whatever melee I feel like using

[grave bobcat]

Surge stun dog, then left click them

[severe folio]

i see

[severe dove]

A low charge hit from basically any staff weapon will stagger them.

[river sand]

hell no

[grave bobcat]

Bomber is the same

[severe folio]

damn

[river sand]

by the time you kill a suicide bomber with bb (takes 2) hes there already

[severe folio]

thats one thing the purg staff cant do

[grave bobcat]

If you're not using Surge

[clear heath]

Imo lightning is also the easiest (although slow) way to clutch a run when your entire team sucks and dies.
You barely need to even look at the enemy to attack, so you're never really exposed to danger if you want to take it slow

[grave bobcat]

Force push them

[azure radish]

I'm just not sure what niche to try and fill at higher levels as a psyker, I guess it matters more if you are able to have an organized team to decide what role to use most

[boreal crystal]

i think lightning is a literal game changer, not in an exaggeration sense but in that it categorically changes the gameplay

[severe dove]

Also do yall think that axe i posted is good enough to use axe?

[grave bobcat]

And when you just generally improve playing more

[azure radish]

back to work, ilu and see you later

[river sand]

bombers are super easy just melee push em when they are at you they will fall out of damage distance

[clear heath]

Surge is just incredibly safe, keeps people alive, and saves the run if they somehow die anyways

[grave bobcat]

you can just melee push bombers/dogs

As they come at you

[severe dove]

It has those two maxed stats

[severe folio]

a shame that the flame looks so cool

the surge is strong but sometime i cant tell where its shocking

[severe dove]

Purg isn't really viable till 30

[severe folio]

despite the clear shocking line

ah

[grave bobcat]

Generally where your aiming, it tends to focus elites

[severe folio]

thats what i want to know

[grave bobcat]

aim al ittle higher than the trash mobs

[restive slate]

I like flames but needs the right build to match surge

[severe dove]

Like ascendant blaze is core to the purg staff

[grave bobcat]

So it focuses the specials/elites easier

[severe folio]

i should use the surge staff till i get to 30 then

[grave bobcat]

Can use whatever

[severe folio]

what about the trauma staff

[severe dove]

Not trauma

[grave bobcat]

Ok

[restive slate]

Void is fun too

[grave bobcat]

Not that

lmfao

[azure radish]

oh btw what do you guys bring as your melee? I tend to bring the force sword but I adore the dagger

[boreal crystal]

try it and see???

[restive slate]

Nobody talks abt trauma

[grave bobcat]

When Trauma is fixed, try it then

[severe folio]

what happen to trauma ?

fix what ?

[severe dove]

Should be today right?

[grave bobcat]

I don't mind answering that one cause people don't know it's bugged lol

[severe dove]

12th?

[covert cosmos]

ive seen people do fine with purge staff without the 30 perk..

[river sand]

Trauma is ok if you get used to it. as long the team works together and you get the time to aim it can be extremely effective. but thats usually not the case

[restive slate]

Trauma is underpowered compared to the others

[azure radish]

and one more question before I go - I got an incredibly good heavy laspistol, is that something that works for psyker?

[covert cosmos]

all the staves that arent trauma are fine

[azure radish]

like stats I love ect

[severe dove]

Ah nvm 14th

[grave bobcat]

It's base dmg is bugged until it crits (Trauma staff)

[severe folio]

what happen to trauma

oh

thats rip

[grave bobcat]

Base damage it inflicts is halved

[severe folio]

remind me why do i pay 40 for this game again

[grave bobcat]

lmao

Its a full release early access

enjoy

[river sand]

trauma has still the highest damage on charged hit

[clear heath]

You get to enjoy the beta longer

[restive slate]

Cause 40k fans too starved for smth good

[grave bobcat]

hmm not sure about this

[river sand]

but to use it its mandatory to have one with 80 rolls on damage and radius

[restive slate]

For Hadron

[grave bobcat]

Testing

[severe folio]

when i saw the voidstrike demostration, i thought its some sort of long range bomb slinger

but when i use it i found out it doesnt have a lot of explosiveness

[severe folio]

instead its penetration

[grave bobcat]

Voidstrike

[river sand]

void strike with double shot on crit and crit on high peril is pretty good in terms of damage

[clever vector]

just leaving a tip: flamethrower staff primary fire staggers poxbursters lmao

[severe folio]

ping issue

also is it worth it rake brain over the melk's weekly ?

to try to get stuff from him ?

[river sand]

havent seen anything good yet

[severe folio]

like the script collecting, grimmoire

[grave bobcat]

Double shot?

[river sand]

everything is low 330s stuff

[severe folio]

well im not 30 yet so

[grave bobcat]

I haven't seen literally anything good on there

Ever

[severe folio]

i dont have anything 330

i see

so its entirely not worth it all the way

[river sand]

yeah pretty rare but really good

[grave bobcat]

I don't think so

[severe folio]

where do you generally get the high tier gears

[grave bobcat]

That blessing doesn't exist?

[severe folio]

t4-5 drop ?

[grave bobcat]

Unless you mean something else

[river sand]

it does i have one

[boreal crystal]

we dopnm't know

[grave bobcat]

SS pls

[severe folio]

oh

[grave bobcat]

I think I'm misunderstanding

what you mean

[river sand]

wait a sec getting screenshot

[grave bobcat]

Ty 🙂

[indigo valley]

Found a really nice force sword 🗡 at Melk’s the other day. In general, it’s probably good to do the contracts and save the tokens

[grave bobcat]

Speaking of

I haven't checked Melk today

What disappointment do they have for me today

[clear heath]

It's so much of a hassle to check shops on all my characters

Sometimes i just don't bother checking melk

[grave bobcat]

A friend has run out of money on all 3 of his alts

So he just stopped checking shop

lol

Wow

I've never seen that before

[clear heath]

Load times are too long to be constantly switching characters

[grave bobcat]

Thanks ;

[river sand]

the only one i got with that blessing

but shitty stats so not worth upgrading

[clear heath]

I wish Surge staff could get Surge

surgeless surge staff

[river sand]

what surge staff needs is blazing spirit and crit on peril

[grave bobcat]

It's wild that the thing I usually check to see possible blessings doesn't even list Surge as one lol

Goddamn

[river sand]

imagine shocking the shit out of enemies and spread 2-6 soublaze stacks per hit

but i dont think surge can get that

[grave bobcat]

It's a shame the staffs base crit is so low

[grave bobcat]

What I read says it cannot, but I'm not sure what to think anymore lol

[river sand]

the double shot isnt listed anywhere so the list isnt complete anyway

but im pretty sure surge cant get blazing spirit

but a void with surge , crit on peril and 5% crit perk might be pretty good

[boreal crystal]

i got like every crit thing on a good lightnign staffu, wonder if it'll be noticeable

[river sand]

when full crafting is out thing might get funny

[cyan notch]

it is

[grave bobcat]

I'd say its kinda noticeable yeah

[nocturne palm]

as a pysker should i be doing lots of damage to bosses? cause compared to other classes i feel like it doesnt do as much or either im doing something wrong

[cyan notch]

nah its usually people with guns doing damage

[grave bobcat]

It's like an extra 20-25% damage

Which is nice

[severe dove]

Still not sure if i want warp battery or kinetic flayer with ascendant blaze

[grave bobcat]

You doing t4/5s?

[severe dove]

Ye

[nocturne palm]

ok joe biden

very impressive

[grave bobcat]

Hmm I asked because I wanted to think about it

[sick fulcrum]

how rare is the deflector perk

[grave bobcat]

But I'm not sure what I'd want either

lmfao

Prob warp battery

does 4 warps kill trash on t5?

[sick fulcrum]

i use my warps in my ult to soul blaze enemies

[severe dove]

Well lemme check rq

[grave bobcat]

That's what I'm asking to Tutorial lol

[sick fulcrum]

its good

[grave bobcat]

I disagree but you do you

[sick fulcrum]

if you build your psyker around soul blaze

[severe dove]

Looks like it doesn't so gonna use battery

[grave bobcat]

Figured

Dang

[river sand]

time for work, bb guys

[grave bobcat]

Gl

Thx for confusing me

[boreal crystal]

ok non brutal momentum axe 100% does get stuck in the middle of a push attack swing into a dense horde

[grave bobcat]

No specials/elites?

[boreal crystal]

just normal horde

[grave bobcat]

dafuq

[boreal crystal]

i mean, as expected -- why would it have infinite cleave

[grave bobcat]

Well like it might do reduced damage to subsequent eneemies hit

But I didn't expect it to get actually stopped

Like

I've never actually seen that happen lol

Like even my FS doesn't get stopped in dense hordes

[ancient crag]

I heard people say that psykinetic's aura is the best level 15 feat but I've been using psychic communion and don't think I'll switch off lol

[grave bobcat]

I'll do a t5 in a moment just to check anyways since grinder doesn't have enough mobs

[ancient crag]

I've seen the light attack get stuck very often but I don't think I've seen the push attack get stuck on a non-elite

[grave bobcat]

Yeah push attack I've never seen get stopped

Only vs carapace

[kindred delta]

man its so good but the damage

the damage just sucks

[grave bobcat]

The warp res lets you output more damage than the actual damage stat does anyway combined with crit

Since you just spam right click

[kindred delta]

oh yeah

is this good?

[grave bobcat]

Personally I'd say no

Because the FS doesn't crit almost at all

[kindred delta]

the stat dist is amazing, as first target is kinda useless

[grave bobcat]

lol

[ancient crag]

but yeah I don't see how psykinetic's aura is better than getting free damage and peril resistance buffs, as far as I can tell ogryn and zealot skills aren't the sort that you should spam and veteran already gets perma uptime with his own skill

[grave bobcat]

But

It's a lot beter than what you have

[ancient crag]

psyker ironically would benefit a lot from being able to spam ability but with our damage output we're not killing a whole lot of elites to begin with

[grave bobcat]

idk I find that I do most of the dmg to elites/specials in-game unless I have a vet with bolty

[ancient crag]

especially if there's a competent veteran

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[ancient crag]

ngl I judge pug veterans if they use bolters lol

[grave bobcat]

Actually ngl

[ancient crag]

90% of the time they never shoot gunner mobs and magdump into melee enemies

[grave bobcat]

I can't remember which weapon is the one that does huge burst the vet can use

[ancient crag]

lasgun veterans are the real chads

[grave bobcat]

it is the bolter right?

[severe folio]

is there a setting so i can see enemies health bar

[drowsy fog]

wooo accidental nap, guess I needed it. what garbage does the shop have this time

[severe folio]

and damage numbers

[ancient crag]

yeah bolter has the best burst damage

[severe folio]

i want to overload my screen with datas

[severe dove]

Plasma gun

[celest oar]

mine looks like a vet store

[ancient crag]

but I'd rather have a competent kantrael lasgun veteran on my team, they kill literally everything except crushers

[vital bough]

Go into the Psykhanium, above the weapon upgrade area.

You can go into the "meatgrinder" and choose the difficulty level, where it lets you test stuff on enemies.

[ancient crag]

bulwarks are a bit iffy too but once you get past the shield they melt to an infantry lasgun

[drowsy fog]

oooo +24% hp curio

[grave bobcat]

Get to lvl 30 and you unlock the testign range

[vital bough]

You can't see numbers while you're in game though

[severe dove]

Oh wow 6 stack ascendent blaze can kill infested, normal, and flak enemies

[grave bobcat]

Shame its such a good roll on a bad stat 🙂

[severe folio]

yeah i know the testing range

[vital bough]

You have it much earlier than lvl 30

[severe folio]

but i want it ingame

[grave bobcat]

O'rly?

[vital bough]

You can't

[grave bobcat]

Someone said it was 30 to me

mbad

[severe folio]

;(

shame

it would help a lot

[ancient crag]

you get the meat grinder from the get-go I think, it just gets more and more enemies in it as you level up

[vital bough]

Nah you unlock all of the enemies INSIDE the testing range at lvl 30, but you unlock it at like, lvl 1 or 2 I think. And unlock different enemies to test out on as you level up.

[grave bobcat]

Oohhhh

[severe folio]

i want to see the health turn dark as the flame goes through

[grave bobcat]

Thx didn't know that

[severe folio]

also does the surge shock an entire swarm in front of me

[grave bobcat]

Nop

[severe folio]

or just the enemies that turn blue

oh

[grave bobcat]

On avg 6 targets

[ancient crag]

nah, it shocks like 5

[severe folio]

damn

[severe dove]

blue enemies are shocked

[vital bough]

No, only a max of like 7 or 8, usually 6 or so

[ornate hamlet]

Any extra rewards from high engagement zones?

[grave bobcat]

Which the damage dissipating with spread

[severe folio]

you know it would be nice if purg staff also stun as much as surge

[ornate hamlet]

Oh wait, this aint general

[vital bough]

Yes, more xp, ordos, and a higher chance for a gift from the emperor

[heavy zealot]

does the force sword uncharged attacks count as a force weapon attack for Psychenetic's Wraith?

[grave bobcat]

But the Surge can be a little funky

[ancient crag]

it would be really nice if psyker got a staff that actually deals damage

[ornate hamlet]

Ty

[ancient crag]

like, veteran-tier damage

[severe folio]

i dont think it count

[grave bobcat]

Forgot to finish my point earlier 🥲

[severe folio]

cuz it doesnt increase peril ?

[grave bobcat]

But yeah unless bolty vet, the lasgun vets usually don't burst as fast as I do across multiple elites

[severe folio]

oh question

psyker dont get access to plasma or power sword right ?

[grave bobcat]

nop

[vital bough]

No, they get Force Sword and Dueling Sword

[severe dove]

Surge has limited targets but better stun, Void has high damage and passes though enemies but goes in a strait line. Purg has no target limit and applies a dot but has limited range

[vital bough]

Force Sword is cool.

Let's you block bullets with the right blessing.

[grave bobcat]

Also reminder that Surge is almost pointless in hordes lmao

[ancient crag]

a lasgun vet won't dumpster a single big elite as fast as a bolter but they are MUCH better at getting rid of gunner mobs and cleaning up those big gunner/rager/mauler pods

[severe dove]

Ambushes surge is good hordes surge does nothing

[grave bobcat]

Yee, thats usually what I rely on vets for lol

[severe folio]

i see

[grave bobcat]

Since I literally get fucking EATEN by gunners

If I can't get aclose angle

[vital bough]

If you can sit behind an ogryn, it's not bad to spam it in hordes to keep the ragers at bay while the team cleans it up

[boreal crystal]

people should not be shooting gunners, they should be rushning into melee

[severe folio]

i need to find that right blessing with force sword

[boreal crystal]

if someone is taking pot shots it's bad

[severe dove]

Surge is the easiest staff honestly

[grave bobcat]

Ye true, but how often do you see the least played class AND with a shield 🥲

[ancient crag]

yeah, crushers honestly don't feel like much of a threat unless you get like 3 of them at once, you can dodge around them pretty easy

[grave bobcat]

I'd say Voidstrike is easiest

Cause you don't sacrifice anything

[vital bough]

Just about all Ogryn's I see have a shield, at least.

[boreal crystal]

fair

[ancient crag]

gunners are the real threat

[severe dove]

Voidstrike at least makes you aim

[grave bobcat]

I need your pubs lmao

[severe dove]

Surge staff just needs you to have enemies on the screen

[vague ridge]

I'd say they need to tune down basic gunners, not a huge nerf, but I get my ass eaten every time I'm dealing with a horde and then they start shooting my face from miles away and melt my health

[grave bobcat]

They don't even need to be on your screen

lmfao

[severe dove]

Cmon don't exaggerate. At least the first target needs to be on screen

[grave bobcat]

Nope?

[vital bough]

Surge staff spam is literally the easiest way to play psyker, but you can't do a whole lot on your own.

[boreal crystal]

Sure can with a trusty combat axe

I'm melee 90% of the time with surge staff

[severe dove]

Trauma staff is the hardest staff but that's because it's terrible

[grave bobcat]

Literally don't need to be on your screejn

[vague ridge]

nah duelling sword is where its at

[severe dove]

Once trauma gets fixed prolly purg

[grave bobcat]

And you can also hit shit through walls

[severe dove]

lol

[clear heath]

imagine needing to aim

[severe dove]

I wonder how trauma staff will be once it's fixed

[severe folio]

at which weapon tier do the deflector blessing appear ?

exalted above ?

or annointed ?

[vital bough]

Surge is good cc, best cc in the game probably with how it locks high priority targets down for so long.

But it's damage suck (except against flack) and it's bad to clutch with when you need to.

[boreal crystal]

wow charge rate on void staff is a dump stat

[grave bobcat]

I dunno why people say Surge dmg sucks :/

[clear heath]

Clutching with Surge is like the safest clutch in the game

[vital bough]

Blue's are when every weapon gets its' first blessing.

[severe dove]

Because it does compared to the others

[severe folio]

oh

[clear heath]

Can kill enemies behind cover. Just takes ages

[grave bobcat]

I disagree lol

[boreal crystal]

which one do you like?

[severe dove]

The main thing i like about surge staff is with kinetic flayer and kinetic barrage i feel like a lightning shaman

But purg staff allows me to cleanse both the body and soul with a torrent of soulfire

[boreal crystal]

I take kinetic barrage because it's the only onet hat doesn't make me worse when I hit my shout :v

[grave bobcat]

I can't kill a Crusher with Voidstrike before I reach 100 peril

Actually

let me max my warp charges

Thats more fair

[vital bough]

Every other staff puts out more damage.
Voidstrike can hit upwards of 20 targets in long stretches of hordes, killing 5-10 with one RMB, not even full charge.
Purg can hold a hallway of shitty mobs and ragers on its' own very easily, melting them with 2 RMB charges.
Surge is literally only good damage against flak armor, fuck, a lot of the time I can't even kill 1 poxwalker or dreg with a RMB unless I full charge it.

[grave bobcat]

Surge isn't meant for killing hordes

[vital bough]

It's good cc, but has the lowest damage potential of all the staffs

[grave bobcat]

So thats a bad comparison.

But I'm checking now anyway

give me a min

[vital bough]

It's not though. What are you going to be killing more often?

[grave bobcat]

Specials?

Like I'm built too

[clear heath]

it's also not really meant for damage

[boreal crystal]

I'm sure as hell not pulling out my purge staff if it's not a proper horde

[grave bobcat]

If I wanted to clear horde I would choose Voidstrike

But that's not what I'm focused on

With voidstrike do you use the 1st or 2nd perk in the level 10 column?

[severe folio]

do we get to use the combine blessing function atm ?

[severe dove]

I still need a purg staff with terrifying barrage

[boreal crystal]

does everyone use psykinetik's aura for the CDR? I do but haven't noticed it and I assume it's not ideal due to not killign tons of elites

[severe folio]

or is that not available in our full release early access

[clear heath]

Idk what class would even care about the cdr tbh

[severe folio]

cdr ?

[clear heath]

cool down reduction

[severe dove]

Nobody uses psykinetic's aura

[severe folio]

oh

[severe dove]

Communion is better

[grave bobcat]

But yeah, saying the Surge staff is bad at killing trash mobs so it's obvs the worst dmg of every staff is like saying comparing a claw sword into carapace armor vs an armor piercing weapon?

[clear heath]

Like idk if ogryn and zealot really care about spamming their skill. Psyker's skill is nice but whatever
Vet basically has theirs permanently up anyways

[grave bobcat]

Why would you choose it's weakest attribute then compare it to Voidstrikes strongest? lol

[severe dove]

Surge staff isn't made for damage really, it's made for cc

Specifically special and elite cc

[grave bobcat]

And I'm saying it does shit dmg vs trash

but specials/elite

its dmg is normal

[boreal crystal]

And its damage is fine

[grave bobcat]

And I'm checking now anyway

[boreal crystal]

I mean you can say yes other staffs do more damage some times or even all the times, it's stupid to say it does bad damage though

[vital bough]

It's damage is the same against everything that's not Flak Armor

[boreal crystal]

because it's fine and you're not using it for damage

[severe dove]

The damage is fine but it does the least damage

[grave bobcat]

No its not the surge's damage is halved vs normals

Unarmored and Infested

More than halved

even

[boreal crystal]

what are dreg guardsmans or whatever? unaromred?

[grave bobcat]

Thats the guys with yellow hood right?

Or

Wiat no

facemask

[subtle monolith]

Purge is mid

[boreal crystal]

the normal gun dudes who aren't specialists, that are dreg

[vital bough]

Dregs are a mix of unarmored and flak

[grave bobcat]

These guys?

Oh just the normal ones

[vital bough]

Infested have no armor and can also be unyielding

[severe dove]

Can anyone tell me the difference between normal blessings and the ones with the lines that count for 10 more rating for some reason

[grave bobcat]

Unarmored then

[boreal crystal]

ah yeah

[subtle monolith]

Void staff is awesome but pretty boring

[severe dove]

I never figured it out

[grave bobcat]

But ye like I said

[boreal crystal]

There's nothing boring about a piercing fireball 😠

[heavy zealot]

is void staff the one with the circle on the ground

[severe dove]

No void staff shoots an orb

[boreal crystal]

Aside from it boring through enemies 😎

[severe dove]

Trauma is ground

[vital bough]

The main pull for the Surge is only to zap armored enemies, that's the only real pull it has on top of the cc.
Everything else is sub par or barely on level with the other staffs for damage, even on specials and elites

[grave bobcat]

Just saying Surge dmg is bad cause its nerfed vs trash mobs is so silly

But I'm checking now anyway

[plucky shuttle]

Just crafted this rod, how would you rate it?

[heady roost]

did you just ask us to rate your rod

?

[plucky shuttle]

Yes

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[severe dove]

Nice Rod bro

[clear heath]

big

[subtle monolith]

Best overall staff?

[ancient crag]

very girthy, it's a little short though

[grave bobcat]

Tut do you use voidstrike?

[severe dove]

Sometimes

But mostly purg

[subtle monolith]

Btw is sound on electric staff bugged?

[grave bobcat]

Fair wanted to know what traits you ran for it

I'm using this guy as the testing dummy

So you just full charge void into their head

to kill them?

[wise pecan]

Surge fulfills a psyker-exclusive role (ranged priority-target cc, damage vs armor), but purgatus and voidstrike are also good at what they do (horde clear)

[severe dove]

I really like this surge staff. It has pretty bad damage but everything else is great

[vital bough]

@grave bobcat
For reference the damage numbers are all around higher, except for carapace, on Voidstrike, and it can go straight through a horde, and still hit the elites in the back with a good RMB charge

[grave bobcat]

Warp res more important imo since you spam left click

Why are you now

Comparing a single hit

To dps?

[vital bough]

When did I say dps...?

[grave bobcat]

We're literally talking about

What can kill elites/specials faster

A single hit

Does not do that.

Like the purge staff is weakest staff then

since it doesl ike 10

wth man

[vital bough]

When did I say 'a single hit' either...? wut

[wise pecan]

Unless it’s a really good single hit, to be fair :P

[grave bobcat]

You showed me the table of how much damage it does.

In a single hit.

Then said, IT DOES MORE LOOK

??

[severe dove]

I really need a better purg staff

[grave bobcat]

We just ignoring every other factor lol

[wise pecan]

I mean, dps can be easily extrapolated here

[vital bough]

Just giving you the exact table you showed me but for the OTHER staff dude lmao I'm not fucking ignoring anything, just tossing data out there so we can discuss and compare better, why you taking this shit so personal?? lul

[grave bobcat]

Fuck it guess the Trauma staff is the strongest staff then

[vital bough]

Like I never said "yeah it's better just cause the single burst damage"

[grave bobcat]

It's not person I'm just kinda surprised lol

[vital bough]

Or "yeah man the dps just makes it better"

[timber shale]

Voidstrike is really bad vs armor—flak or carapace. You really need to land headshots if you want to kill elites with it.

[vital bough]

You're literally extrapolating random shit from me posting a table of data and pointing out that you can hit a bunch of people at once with voidstrike

[grave bobcat]

"For reference the damage numbers are all around higher, except for carapace, on Voidstrike"

[vital bough]

And factually, they are, what is wrong with that...? Lol

[grave bobcat]

Eh it doesnt matter anyway I'm just gonna check

[vital bough]

I'm not trying to say either staff is better I'm just giving you info

[grave bobcat]

Yes but what point are you trying to make then other than just being like "Yo the sky is blue"

?? lol

[brisk panther]

imagine thinking damage numbers are the most important

[grave bobcat]

"Everything else is sub par or barely on level with the other staffs for damage, even on specials and elites"

[runic hornet]

trauma best because biggest number

[grave bobcat]

Tru

[runic hornet]

[severe dove]

Anyone else have an issue where they have too much Diamantine but not nearly enough Plasteel at all times?

[grave bobcat]

Also apolgoies for late reply lol

[runic hornet]

yes, if you play heresy+ regularly you will not have enough plasteel

[vital bough]

Okay, I made an opinionated statement, kill me for it I guess...?

[subtle monolith]

Update on Wednesday?

[runic hornet]

especially given that lower levelcrafting uses more plasteel than diamantine

[grave bobcat]

You don't full charge the surge so those numbers would be off for it's actual efficacy

[runic hornet]

And in the current state of crafting, you stop crafting as soon as you see the weapon went wrong

[drowsy fog]

eh throw the numbers out the window what staff gives you the happy chemicals

[subtle monolith]

Trauma

[grave bobcat]

That's fine but like the comparisons you're drawing seem insane to me lol

[runic hornet]

Trauma staff fits my brain best because I just use my sword until I see "I could use a grenade here"

Any time I would think about throwing a frag grenade on veteran I just go up to 100 perils on trauma then go back to using sword

[severe dove]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-clueless-clueless-emote-wojak-disturbed-gif-24266075

[subtle monolith]

They need to do something with range tho

[runic hornet]

voidstrike spam is strong af but blast radius too small

[drowsy fog]

purgatus go brrrrrrr

[runic hornet]

I've thrown too many frag grenades and I'm addicted to rumbler spam on ogyrn

[vital bough]

Think what you want dude it's no sweat off my back lol

[runic hornet]

the only staff remotely comparable to that is trauma

[vital bough]

The only staff I genuinely enjoy using is purg

[runic hornet]

huge blast radius and stagger is its own utility

[vital bough]

tho I know it's not great

[severe dove]

I really like purg till the range fucks me then i feel spite

[grave bobcat]

Meh enjoy whattever you want really

[runic hornet]

voidstrike's niche is going bowling

[vital bough]

It's good at holding chokes but not good against any armor

[runic hornet]

when all the enemies are coming in a line

and you go for a strike

[remote tusk]

I enjoy the aggressive playstyle you can use with surge

[grave bobcat]

idc what you use I have a Lasgun equipped rn

[runic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-strike-gif-13529230

[subtle monolith]

I leveled psyker from 1-20 in one day yesterday

And I am regretting that

[vital bough]

T4 Quell perk, spam RMB as fast as possible at the Hordes' heads and you have free cannonballs

[severe dove]

A certain video ruined bowling for me

[runic hornet]

you don't even need t4 tbh
Also, do you know about quell cancelling

[grave bobcat]

But saying Surge is only good for CC is just??

[runic hornet]

where you spam min-charge RMBs super fast by tapping quell at the right time after each throw

it's hilarious

[brisk panther]

its also exceptional against carapace

[severe dove]

Surge isn't only good for cc. It's just MOSTLY good for cc

[grave bobcat]

Also stop full chariging the surge

[runic hornet]

I can't do it consistently, I stutter a lot with it, but god damn

it's fucking HILARIOUS

[vital bough]

tf? lol

[grave bobcat]

Okay finally I agree with that statement

[leaden needle]

🎳 💦

[grave bobcat]

Cause its main strength is definitely CC

[runic hornet]

try it in the range
after an RMB throw, there's a small forced delay but after that delay you can tap quell then instantly go back to charging an RMB->instantly throw it

get it right and you can chuck like 4-5 min-charge RMBs in the time it would take to fully charge one

[grave bobcat]

But in my experience definitely kills the specials a lot faster than the other staffs

[wise pecan]

My issue with surge is that I have no idea how to actually hit priority targets. I’ll see a tox flamer and four ragers vibing in the crowd and my lightning prioritizes the the poxwalkers

[grave bobcat]

Apart from dogs

Dogs are unarmored

[runic hornet]

calcium claims "just aim up"

That works against ogyrns but not against other man-sized enemies

[grave bobcat]

I said to Balista "Aim above the pox walkers at the Orgyns" cause y'know

[subtle monolith]

Dam I might just switch to ogryn again

[grave bobcat]

Ogryns are a lot taller than most mobs

And he started aiming at the sky 🥲

[subtle monolith]

Just no thought head empty gameplay

[runic hornet]

maulers, ragers, trappers all slip through

[severe dove]

The strength of surge is in cc and defensiveness. For purg it is horde clear and sustained damage. For Voidstrike it's range and single shot damage. And for Trauma i assume it's SUPPOSED to be an elite nuker

[vital bough]

You can tell what it's targeting, by delaying the shock just a bit and seeing what enemies are glowing with lightning before you fire.

[runic hornet]

i'll take the security of trauma

[grave bobcat]

you get a feel for it eventually too

[wise pecan]

It’s difficult to differentiate mid horde

[vital bough]

It can be, yeah.

[clear heath]

You get used to it

[runic hornet]

trauma is literally a grenade and a huge one
Just like a vet frag grenade or a rumbler grenade it only kills stuff in a small circle but it hard knockdowns trash in a huge radius

[grave bobcat]

It's like grenades in fps, eventually you can put one through a window at 100 meters

[clear heath]

sometimes it's kinda buggy tho

[grave bobcat]

Just gotta learn the arc

no pun intended

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike radius is like 4 meters

[wise pecan]

Lmao

[subtle monolith]

Yeah trauma is way to go

[runic hornet]

Trauma radius is like eight and a half

Sure you eat like 50% perils on one full charge to that max radius

But sometimes you just need absolutely every trash mob to be on the floor

[subtle monolith]

Copium

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[vital bough]

Radius also depends on your staffs' stats for it, could be a really shit radius but have high damage

[timber shale]

If only it didn’t charge so damn slowly

[sterile sable]

Whats the curio perk god roll? HP, Toughness and...Regen speed?

[grave bobcat]

Toughness

[runic hornet]

yeah, unfortunately trauma staff is a staff where pretty much every stat matters

[wise pecan]

I think trauma is definitely the most immediately disruptive staff, which can be a good or a bad thing. I’ve had trauma users fling living enemies behind a controlled frontline

[grave bobcat]

HP dead stat

[grave bobcat]

you'll be fine once the dmg is fixed

[subtle monolith]

Honestly I want to love ogryns but their weapons suck

[clear heath]

apparently toughness damage resistance is a stat that exists
but i've never seen it in my life

[runic hornet]

yeah, trauma is bad if you use it willynilly

just like ogyrns and rumbler spam

[timber shale]

The peril cost isn’t such an issue, the problem is that when you need to “grenade” a horde, you don’t have time to charge a trauma staff for 3 seconds

[grave bobcat]

Surge insta stuns also

Just not mutants

[runic hornet]

not really? Veteran can't draw and throw a grenade in less than like 2 seconds

they have a similar vulnerable window

[vital bough]

If you catch them after they hit a wall though, you can stun them after they stop running

[runic hornet]

not to mentin the veteran grenade takes far, far longer to actually explode

[grave bobcat]

ik I just dodge usually

[runic hornet]

In that sense, trauma is actually faster

[subtle monolith]

Damn every staff sucks dick it seems

[grave bobcat]

Or if they're going for not me, surge stun them first

[cyan notch]

no lol

[runic hornet]

also, you're psyker

you can push F for CC, lmao

[timber shale]

But during that time the vet can shoot, or slash, or block, or run

[wise pecan]

Oh yeah, surge stuns are good (and fantastic against things like pox bursters), but they’ll never (for example) actually clear space in a horde, or even just hold a line in a horde

[onyx locust]

surge is really nice in heresy + for CC

[timber shale]

The trauma staff means you’re just standing there

[grave bobcat]

Yeah, they're dogshit in a horde

[runic hornet]

it takes them like 2 seconds to swap to grenade, throw grenade, recover from throw, and swap back to melee to push/block

Then several more seconds to explode

[grave bobcat]

Like just don't use it vs normal horde enemies

[vital bough]

If you haven't hit max level where the Staff's roll their maximum modifiers every staff will feel slow to charge, low damage, small radius, high warp costs to use, etc.

[grave bobcat]

Equip thy sword

Or dogs.

Also don't try to kill dogs with the Surge lightning

[runic hornet]

In ~3 seconds you can swap and fully charge a trauma staff, after which it instantly explodes
And if you don't need to stager the whole room you can aim it at your feet in like ~1.0 seconds

[wise pecan]

Ye, just bringing up different contexts. I think surge is overall better than trauma, but that’s not to say that trauma doesn’t have its uses

[runic hornet]

feet-trauma->the trauma you actually wanted to use comes out about as fast as veteran grenade but is safer

[clear heath]

I find the time it takes for a grenade to explode is actually helpful for vets tho
I use grenades to knock down bulwarks to make them stop blocking, so the delay lets me charge up the power sword before i start slashing them

[severe dove]

For some reason i like listening to viking music while playing this

[grave bobcat]

Yeah you don't lose Horde clear with Trauma, just don't kill (specials/elites) as fast or CC isn't as wide reaching

[subtle monolith]

I just feel like there is so little variety to classes

[runic hornet]

the biggest aspect of Surge staff is just how fucking fast it murders scab riflemen

like holy shit

[subtle monolith]

Compared to vermintide 2

[runic hornet]

At that job, it's so fucking good

given how important it is to lock down AND kill scab rifles

surge staff really has no equals

[clear heath]

Vermintide has like 4x as many classes tho

darktide unfinished

[runic hornet]

I mean it's 4 classes compared to 15

[compact cargo]

most feats are uninteresting unlike vt2

[clear heath]

when does the darktide beta end?

[runic hornet]

Eh, it took vt2 two massive balance overhauls

[wise pecan]

To be fair, it definitely has one equal: a coked out CSGO vet with a kantrael

[wise pecan]

They claim it’ll be sometime in December

[grave bobcat]

wtf lol

[runic hornet]

no, because the knatreal doesn't hook around hard cover when you toast the first guy who peeks

[compact cargo]

different jobs

[vital bough]

Vermintide 2 had a lot more legs to stand on from Vt1's previous assets and characters/classes to add upon.

And this was rushed out by the publishing company iirc.
So yeah, there IS a lot less variety it's not just a feeling.

[subtle monolith]

And less variety on maps

[compact cargo]

fatshark self published

They reused a lot of animations

[grave bobcat]

Most of the time they're usually too far away for the surge to do anything so it's hard not to want a gun in those moments 🥲

[celest oar]

tencent is now majority shareholder

[compact cargo]

So? They were in 2018

lol

[wise pecan]

I was responding to a comment specifically taking about killing scab riflemen, not surge’s overall purpose :P

[subtle monolith]

I would really love ogryns

If they had good weapons

[celest oar]

suggest you do a google search before sprouting nonsense

[runic hornet]

Rumbler exists

Ogyrn rumbler is based

Most of my adoration for trauma staff comes from the fact that it lays down massive >8m radius explosions similar to rumbler

[clear heath]

No they weren't. They had a share in 2019 and then became majority share in 2021

[wise pecan]

I enjoy ogryn weapons, though I haven’t taken them into high difficulty much on account of having just recently leveled it. Bull butcher cleaver puts in work

[runic hornet]

ogyrn Grenade gauntlet also has the funny implication of being one of the few one-shot--bodyshot-special kill weapons in the game

[compact cargo]

Suggest you do a quick google search, everyone result is claiming the first quadrant of 2019.

[subtle monolith]

You literally like the weakest weapons of all classes it seems

[vital bough]

Ah, I just keep hearing about "some company holding a gun to FatShark's head" lol idk who it is really.

And I'm sure they reused animations and some models and whatnot, the engine at its core, etc, but you gotta also think that they had to completely redesign every texture just about, the 3D models for the worldbuilding are all mostly new if I had to guess, bosses, enemies, weapons, character designs and the character classes themselves, all original compared to VT2 being able to directly build upon what they had in VT1.

Still, this shit was rushed out.

[runic hornet]

Most specials have infalted HP pools that can't be oneshot-bodyshot

[subtle monolith]

It’s not

[runic hornet]

also, GG is seemingly immune to suppression

[grave bobcat]

🔥

[clear heath]

but you said 2018

[runic hornet]

even if you get shot your aim doesn't fly off target

making it amazing for counter-firing gunners when the vet can't even aim hsi bolter

[celest oar]

guy contradicts himself and dosent do a proper search

[compact cargo]

So? They reuse map assets because it's the same maps backwards, with less classes for no inovation and even backtracking, this is a joke

[runic hornet]

bro, GG and rumbler are ogyrn meta, rumbler is not even close to weakest

It's literally 25+ veteran frag grenades in a gun with some bonus direct hit damage for memes

[grave bobcat]

Imagine being wrong on the internet

[idle shuttle]

[wise pecan]

I think part of this is a management of expectations. Ogryn has significant cleave, enormous stagger, and little single target damage, because ogryn’s job is not to be hyperlethal - it’s to be disruptive.

[runic hornet]

you want to talk weakest ranged weapon, try heavy stubber

[compact cargo]

https://www.gamereactor.eu/tencent-buys-major-stake-in-vermintide-developer-fatshark/

[runic hornet]

and before the rebuttal of "but you can tap fire it for more accurate shots"

[vestal finch]

They were in 2018
Article date: 2019

[celest oar]

you do understand theres a difference between saying "i am gonna buy your shares" and actually acquiring majority shares right?

[compact cargo]

The buff did help

[runic hornet]

the fairly substantial damage buff helps it kill ragers that are charging you, also maulers too I guess

[clear heath]

But that's not when they acquired majority. The artical even says they maintain majority ownership. Literally says in the embed.
They acquired a chunk in 2019 and then got majority in 2021
But you said 2018 anyways so you'd be wrong regardless

[runic hornet]

But the "oh shit" situation of gunners at midrange, it still does literally nothing

the ripper guns are sniper rifles compared to the stubber's accuracy, they have fixed spread patterns and will always do something

Ripper guns would be way higher in power compared to GG/rumbler if their magazines were larger, ammo pools were deeper, a little more base damage but that's not vital

[vestal finch]

#ogryn-class

[celest oar]

ripper guns are hilarious lolz, point it at horde and vaporize it

[compact cargo]

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/fatshark-ab/company_financials
oh really

[compact cargo]

35% of the shares give you a big saying on the companies direction, really?

[clear heath]

It does sure

[vestal finch]

Just admit you were wrong and that Tencent didn't own Fatshark when VT2 releases

[clear heath]

that's still in 2019

and you said 2018

[runic hornet]

i mean to be pedantic 35% is a large holding, but 51% is majority

[clear heath]

2018 being the year vermintide 2 got released

so tencent wasn't majority share nor did they have that 35% share for vermin's release

[compact cargo]

so ur gonna ignore the link got it
@clear heath #psyker-class message
don't care, what matters is during vt2 life circle tencet was a big voice behind fatshark and nothing happened.

[grave bobcat]

I tried that too 😦

It's ammo is so dogshit lol

[compact cargo]

You still have to provide any info on what % of the shares tencet holds now.

[grave bobcat]

And its damage vs ammo stock is just...

[clear heath]

I mean, the argument is that tencent might have made fatshark release darktide early.
They couldn't exactly do that with vermintide when it was already released lmao

[vestal finch]

The whole point of the conversation was that Tencent made Fatshark release the game unfinished.

Which is speculation, sure

[grave bobcat]

If you really want to use a gun I'd say Mg12 Lasgun. I think thats the right one

[compact cargo]

The argument I was going against is that there is a "voice behind fatshark" making them release early.
When it is clear fatshark just releases early with both vt and vt2.

There is no "evil shadow council" making fatshark do things, it's just how fatshark does things

[grave bobcat]

Hell yeah it is

[compact cargo]

at most tencent and other holders may have forced the shop early

[brisk panther]

Gl to you(r teammates)

[grave bobcat]

1 tapping a sniper with it is a kind of crisp feeling happiness

That BB doesnt really give

[celest oar]

That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen

[summer wind]

I came to read psyker stuff while in bed

Why is Tencent and organ here

😩

[grave bobcat]

And revolvers

[celest oar]

pretty normal, other chats talk about pyskers as well

[summer wind]

Guns in general

[celest oar]

about how we are / arent the worst class

[vestal finch]

The Crunch sound isn't satisfying to you?

[summer wind]

Psyker is a class, there you go

[grave bobcat]

No cause I had to afk for 2 seconds

[wise pecan]

I’ve heard a lot of conflicting info on how much Tencent actually meddles with the companies it purchases. Some folks say things like “every company they buy puts more predatory monetization schemes in,” and others say “tencent’s modus operandi is to be hands off - buy companies that are already raking in money, and just farm the profits”

In this case, I’m kinda inclined to agree with the latter? Fatshark has an established pattern of bad releases - Darktide is arguably leagues better than either of the two vermintide games were at launch, and there’s nothing to argue against the possibility that Fatshark chose to alter their payment scheme the way they did just because it works.

[clear heath]

time to get revenge
lets talk about how ogryns are the worst class

[summer wind]

Wow that's a cool psyker tip

[grave bobcat]

A quick forehead tap is very satisfying

[celest oar]

they are the least played, but definitely not the worst

[compact cargo]

Tencent has shares in many companies so it makes sense that they have a hands off approach with their market diversity strats

[grave bobcat]

Yeah BB drops hard on t4 🙂

[summer wind]

Next time my peril reaches 51% I'm gonna start letting the daemons make all of my choices for me

[celest oar]

i get that sense of satisfaction when i send the horde flying with a heavy attack

i did say preacher is the worst class for higher diffs, but then the guys in preacher chat will dunk on me for being a pysker 🤣

bringing preacher / pysker issues into real life at its finest

[wicked grove]

Yooooo! I got a force sword with deflector!!!!

[grave bobcat]

Fuck you

🙂

[wicked grove]

Too bad I'll outlevel it

But eh

[fierce carbon]

Going out with a bang is making me hate the game, and I wouldn't wish anything bad to happen to anyone, but I hope the person who came up with that achievement to be judged fairly for their crimes and sins

[grave bobcat]

Sweet justice

[plucky shuttle]

Which of the duelling swords is best on Psyker?

[celest oar]

V

[wicked grove]

Bruh...you hate Going out With a Bang....wait till you see Pick and Mix....

[wise pecan]

Idk, the flamer’s horde clear has fucking carried the team in difficulty 5 high intensity for me. There’s really nothing in the game that compares to its space-clearing ability

[grave bobcat]

[celest oar]

but we get an infinite ammo flamethrower

[wicked grove]

If Going Out With a Bang is hard...wait till you need 5 elite/special kills with head pops on heresy or above....

[grave bobcat]

Do people actually run out of ammo? lol

[plucky shuttle]

this one worth upgrading then?

[fierce carbon]

I'll worry about that one latter but going out with a bang comes first since it's a steam achievement

[wise pecan]

Yes, but ours is slightly worse to compensate. Both at killing and at staggering

[wicked grove]

Make Every Shot Count

[grave bobcat]

Is that a penance

Because you capitalised it

[wicked grove]

It's a penance for veteran

[clear heath]

get a team with 2 bolter users

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[wicked grove]

100% Accuracy and 0 Ammo on Extract

[grave bobcat]

That doesn't count you twonk

[celest oar]

dueling swords serve a different purpose on pyskers

[wise pecan]

Yes, arguably the worst one in the game (even beyond psykers’)

[celest oar]

they are meant for very fast playstyles where you rush alot

[grave bobcat]

Doesn't loot anything in case loose ammo pickup

[wicked grove]

I mean it's max level will be somewhere in the 400s

[grave bobcat]

That sounds SUPER easy wat

Low ammo gun aim at orgyn or boss

[wicked grove]

You regen ammo on kills

[clear heath]

Vets get ammo when an ally kills an elite

[wicked grove]

Yup

[grave bobcat]

LOL

Ok thats just funny

[celest oar]

to answer your question, if thats the kind of playstyle you enjoy, sure. If not, its still a very solid weapon you have there as its 37x base stats

[clear heath]

A teammate could kill an elite right before the stage ends

hilarious

[grave bobcat]

So, I need to kill an elite just before the game ends to grief vets

Gotcha

[wicked grove]

Plz dont.

It's hard to do already

[grave bobcat]

Armor pen

[wicked grove]

Especially legit

[grave bobcat]

Or "removal"

[fierce carbon]

It's hard, but it can be done with enough practice but how do you even practice for going out with a bang

[plucky shuttle]

I just enjoy space wizard shit, don't really have a playstyle that I LOVE, I like em all

[grave bobcat]

Whichever you prefer

[celest oar]

If you do intend to use dueling sword, try learning crab dodging, it isnt that hard to learn and its faster than sprinting on most weapons while not costing stamina

[wise pecan]

Veteran has a passive that regens ammo. Any time you bodyshot a teammate, shoot a corpse a fraction of a second after your buddy kills it, or just outright whiff? Welp, better restart the mission. Not to mention it, as you implied, encourages you to play poorly - not shooting difficult-but-vital targets, not picking up ammo, etc

[wicked grove]

If they make it to the end of the level with no ammo...don't do it to em

[grave bobcat]

Alright cmon fish

3 other people got there way before oyu lol

[wise pecan]

I’m on phone lol

[grave bobcat]

Better buff that wpm

[clear heath]

It sounds more frustrating than it is hard

[wicked grove]

Well you need to be reminded of how bs Make Every Shot Count is

[grave bobcat]

Nah thats hilarious

[wicked grove]

It's hard to maintain 100% accuracy

[wise pecan]

Yeah it isn’t mechanically complex, it’s just a bitch

[wicked grove]

Over the span of an entire level.

[grave bobcat]

I'd just do it on one of the raid maps

[plucky shuttle]

Just go assassin mission and mag dump no? And then run into a corner to not regen ammo

?

[celest oar]

it used to be cheesable where you could disconnect and rejoin at the end

not sure if its still possible

[cyan notch]

it is

[wicked grove]

Did they fix the cheese?

[wise pecan]

You still can

[grave bobcat]

I considered this but wondering if the boss regens your ammo

[celest oar]

guess that answers the question 🤣

[wicked grove]

Same for the one where you can't get melee'd

[wise pecan]

It does not, thank god

[wicked grove]

It would be a cruel twist of fate.

"Yoooo I got the penance!"

Proceeds to regen ammo.

[grave bobcat]

Me desperately searching for an elite to kill before the level ends

[plucky shuttle]

How do you cheese it now?

[wicked grove]

Same way you did it before

Alt+f4

Rejoin.

It resets your accuracy stat.

[celest oar]

probably empty all your ammo before you alt f4 at the end

[grave bobcat]

Since idc about penances griefing them definitely sounds like the way to go

[celest oar]

then maybe shoot one enemy and then extract

[wise pecan]

Mag dump, alt f4, rejoin, fire last few shots into a boss’s shield. Accuracy resets on rejoin, but ammo count is maintained

[wicked grove]

Empty all ammo outside of one or two shots

Yerp...

[celest oar]

didnt they say they fixed it? lol

[wicked grove]

It's downright fucking trolling if you do it legit.

[wicked grove]

FS says alot of things.

[grave bobcat]

Your Force Sword talks? 👀

[wicked grove]

Like they said crafting would be available on release.

[celest oar]

why am i not suprised

[grave bobcat]

Been huffing that peril

[wicked grove]

Yea it's called my beloved.

[wise pecan]

Yours doesn’t?

[grave bobcat]

No mine is obedient

[wicked grove]

My Beloved hates it when it's dry.

[celest oar]

we might need anti-manifestation protocols here

[wicked grove]

She says it needs to he quenched in blood

[celest oar]

someone call the guard

[wicked grove]

I just oblige it's thirst

Makes My Beloved happy.

[wise pecan]

Blood of the traitor and the mutant, of course

[wicked grove]

Happy Wife happy life like ma always said

[grave bobcat]

And suicide penance always seems easy to me considering the amount of gunners you always see

[wicked grove]

My Beloved keeps saying something about the carrion Corpse not being my true masterm

I kinda agree

Who knows.

[wise pecan]

👀

[grave bobcat]

Like fr can't believe people struggle with penances 🙂

[wicked grove]

I'm struggling with Pick and Mix.

[wicked grove]

This is the one penance I'm struggling with

[olive ember]

Can anyone confirm or deny that 380+ only from gamba

[grave bobcat]

Hmm

[bleak tulip]

now do it with 20

[grave bobcat]

I'd have to probably kite some ragers for that

[olive ember]

We remember depression

[grave bobcat]

y tho

[olive ember]

That used to be the old achievement

Push 20 instead of push 7

[wicked grove]

I mean vet penances got nerfed too

[grave bobcat]

idk count the enemies on the barrle

[bleak tulip]

I want my little "you did it" star sticker for having done it pre change

[grave bobcat]

see if there is 20 lol

[olive ember]

I hate them all

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce carbon]

I got that achievement, and I wasn't even trying 💀

[grave bobcat]

weapons are not actually 380+

Just shows wrong number

[bleak tulip]

at least vet penances dont literally ask you to play bad or hold up the entire team while you solo a monstrosity

[olive ember]

How they show wrong numbers

[bleak tulip]

its not about that its hard its that its stupid as fuck

[olive ember]

I mean the don’t get hit one makes me feel like a liability as I hold block throughout the entire game

Or run camo expert

And stand there as my teammates get mobbed

[grave bobcat]

Ask the devs

[olive ember]

So how would a weapon with rating 380+ actually have

[grave bobcat]

Do you know about the blessing "Surge" for the voidstrike?

[bleak tulip]

run camo and look behind you in paranoia, but youre still playing the game

[grave bobcat]

Last one I saw someone post a SS of it was actually 365

When you added itu p

[olive ember]

I honestly think I would prefer to suicide lmao

Get it over and done with

[bleak tulip]

?

[grave bobcat]

Not just me!

[wise pecan]

It’s the Steam achievement. They were not updated

[grave bobcat]

There is apparently a blessing called "Surge" for voidstrike that makes it fire twice if you land a crit

And I can't find it written down anywhere

[olive ember]

Oh yeah I heard about it dunno