psyker-class

[celest oar]

considering what they are telling us about the perks, i already have my bad feeling

that we are going to need to combine 3 of the same perks to get a better one

which is why i been mass buying to find similar perks

[willow oyster]

imagine a red weapon in v2 and you want to reroll its properties, now imagine only being able to reroll one of those stats forever and then apply the ridiculous amount of rng that CANNOT be obfuscated

[obsidian lichen]

As long as there is a system to push perks to their maximum values.

Infusing the same perks with each other to raise the overall stat value is a necessity.

[thick surge]

This is only the beginning for the endless grind. Devs want to adopt the destiny 2 model for this game so you can expect the grind to only ever get worse and to never stop

[celest oar]

it would be even more hilarious when they come out and tell you "oh hey you know that mk V / Mk II of the same weapon you have? You cant combine them! Cheers!"

[celest oar]

it will, theres always the quit game and never come back

which is already on the table for me considering what they been trying to push

[thick surge]

As long as you accept that even if you somehow get the perfect weapon rolls for minmax etc, powercreep will make em obsolete at somepoint

Chasing loot will only make you suffer

If you play for the gameplay itself it'll be bearable

[willow oyster]

i would much rather power creep than a system that specifically makes it harder to min max a weapon, if not nearly impossible

at least power creep can be dealt with by being better

[pallid dock]

pursuing and acquiring the godroll is always way more fun than having it.

[willow oyster]

that would be a mind set difference, considering you can mix max in v2 and continue playing for a few thousand more hours after obtaining it

[pallid dock]

that is not about the godroll but enjoying the gameplay. different parts of the game.

[willow oyster]

and you can do that in less than 400 hours

but its always more enjoyable to be able to play with your character's potential than possible potential

for me anyway

[pallid dock]

depends. mere numericals dont do much for me. mechanics are important to have available, indeed.

[willow oyster]

to put it in a realistic sense, it feels good to be able to stagger berserkers out of their flurry of attacks with a single two handed hammer bop to the head (v2)

or kill a chaos warrior in 6 hits instead of 9

[pallid dock]

breakpoints are a mechanic.

[willow oyster]

but only possible through min maxed rolls

[pallid dock]

that is still up to be discovered. if the minmaxed roll overachieves its as worthless as a roll that doesnt tick a breakpoint. ideal stat distribution is still sth we need to figure out. could very well be that the perfect roll still has a lot of fat.

[willow oyster]

very true, but the primary issue is that discovery is purely based on rng that cannot be amended for

you can brute force it in v2, i have several maxed bis property yellows

but the stats on weapons cannot be rerolled at all and is at the mercy of the 1 hour shop

and worse: "In our next content update, we will add the “Refine Item” functionality to our crafting system. This functionality will allow you to replace one Perk on a Curio or a Weapon. The same Perk slot can be replaced multiple times, but will block replacing other perks on the same item. This is the next step in building out our crafting system."

[pallid dock]

I mean, we had to rng our way to the perfect item builds in vt2. granted, it became easier over time but we are at a point where it’s hard to assess how much rng there actually is.

[willow oyster]

we already have a glimpse of how bad it can be

but since its not here, i cannot make the distinction

[thick surge]

the question is whether it will stay the same, become better or become worse

rng wise I mean

[willow oyster]

^

[thick surge]

I fear it will become much worse

[pallid dock]

and yet it’s still uninformed until we have all breakpoints figured out and know the range of rolls that are adequate.

cant even properly engage with fs about their bs until we have all data and can prove that they layers of rng are too stacked against us.

[thick surge]

balance changes, new weapons, new rarities, new blessings etc. can completely reset your grind back to the starting point

[willow oyster]

with permutations, you can easily find out how bad the stat bars are alone

and those are the ones you cANNOT do anything abot

about*

as it currently stands

if the bars are 300, it stays 300

it also doesnt help that the stat bars upper limit for some reason is maxed out at 380, opposed to the predicted 400

if the stat bars max out at 80%, and that the rating is based on the culmination of the stat bars, looking only at that, then it would be 400

since there are only 5 bars

[runic hornet]

So I have a near perfect Trauma staff, only significant deductino is from charge time

The more I use it, the more I like it over surge staff because I have greater control over what I hit

no more "I aimed at the ragers in teh horde but missed them"

[thick surge]

the theoretical max is 500 base. Just you wait when every year an update comes that introduces weapons with 20 higher base rating than previously

[willow oyster]

yes, theoretically its 500

but we literally cannot pass 80%

[grave bobcat]

look up a little 🙂

[willow oyster]

so that is as it stands

and again, the limit is 380 for some reason than the predicted 400

so what is going on?

[runic hornet]

the thing is a max charge trauma staff with max blast radius hits like a rumbler grenade

Blast radius of freaking ~8.3 meters

it stumbles everything

[grave bobcat]

That you can fire twice 🥲

[runic hornet]

hard knockdowns ragers

[untold surge]

is the surge staff supposed to be good, I see other psykers using them and actually doing appreciable damage as well as some cc, when I use it I get like 2 kills and cc like 4 people on a full charge which is useless against a horde where I see others actually doing shit

[runic hornet]

I literally have time to vent before the ragers get up

[runic hornet]

surge staff murders anything wearing flak armor

however it does literally fuckall for damage against unarmoed and infested

[grave bobcat]

The ragers sure, what about the rest of the group that came with the m 😛

[untold surge]

that'll be it I guess

[thick surge]

don't charge it, spam it with min charge instead

[grave bobcat]

Yeah

[runic hornet]

So a lot of newbs just spam surge staff into poxwalkers without realizing they could be doing better swinging a basic mk1 sword

[grave bobcat]

This too

[runic hornet]

HARD. KNOCKDOWN.

You have time to pull out your sword and mop half of them up

[willow oyster]

specifically speaking, the surge staff puts a debuff on the enemies and whoever its chained to, the final attack will hit those

[runic hornet]

after which you've lost 50% from passive venting and can do it again

[grave bobcat]

Mhmm

[willow oyster]

so you would CC more enemies if you just lightly tapped them with the thunder

[runic hornet]

Like honestly as long as you don't fucking miss because you accidentally wiggled onto a ledge or something

[grave bobcat]

I'll need to bring one of y'all trauma users into game cause I want to see this

Y'all are like the second coming of jesus about these things lol

[untold surge]

I just feel the voidstrike staff is the most useful for actually doing stuff at difficulties under max especially with randoms

[willow oyster]

which is also why the surge staff cannot proc brain burst unless its the final attack

[half iron]

trauma is cute

[runic hornet]

the thing is you really need a perfectly rolled one

[grave bobcat]

Surge or trauma?

[runic hornet]

could maybe get away with slightly lower damage, I think charge rate would be better than damage on trauma

here's mine

[grave bobcat]

I don't think I even own one cause I don't think they good lol

lemmy chekc

[runic hornet]

8.32 blast radius with 2.3m epicenter (full damage) when fully charged

[grave bobcat]

Huh... I do, wonder why I have this lol

[runic hornet]

Full charge @ my charge rate takes 1.54 seconds, notably if I had an 80% charge rate one it's be 1.30 (I have an 80% charge rate one, but everything else on it sucks)

I'd rather have 1.3 second charges than higher damage

[grave bobcat]

I'll check mine

Okay something funny is up here

lol

[runic hornet]

near perfect quell speed helps a lot too, I have 65% quell speed bonus

[grave bobcat]

Why does yours charge faster? lol

[untold surge]

im enjoying this, every other staff I have gotten seems to do jack shit on the charge and as the normal fire is harder to use than I gun I might as well go veteran if not using a staff

[grave bobcat]

You're on the inspect page right?

[grave bobcat]

Screenshot your inspect page

[runic hornet]

trying, the game is doing that dumb thing where it doesn't screenshot the proper layer

[grave bobcat]

LOL

[runic hornet]

like come the fuck on

what is wrong with you, prntscreen

[grave bobcat]

Press window shift s

easier

[half iron]

snipping tool

[grave bobcat]

Can just paste it into disc

ez

[runic hornet]

fuck

no apparently it grabbed my warp res

[grave bobcat]

interesting

[runic hornet]

there we go

[grave bobcat]

it says your charge rate top left 🙂

[runic hornet]

yours with 64% doesn't charge in 1.54?

[grave bobcat]

mines 78

[runic hornet]

and it charges... slower?

wut

[grave bobcat]

And A different one I have

charges way faster than both?

lol

[runic hornet]

here's my 79% it charges in 1.31

[grave bobcat]

Something funky happening here

[runic hornet]

ohhhh

ez

[runic hornet]

my brother, you screenshoteed a voidstrike

[grave bobcat]

Oh did I hit my void by accident

lmao

mbad

[runic hornet]

#psyker-class message this is a voidstrike

yeah that trauma staff seems fine

[grave bobcat]

Right next to each other

[runic hornet]

bad quellspeed

[grave bobcat]

ok

now

it makes sense

[runic hornet]

but if you play with a basic sword or something

and rely on passive quelling with a non-force weapon

[grave bobcat]

Random one I had in my stash

[runic hornet]

honestly, try that thing out

[vestal finch]

I miss my schizophrenic psyker voice

Miss my Beloved

Hope they let us change personality at some point

[deft fiber]

By any chance there are 3 people who would be so kind to help with penance? =\

[grave bobcat]

I dunno, I really cannot see a reason to use it for me

[runic hornet]

hold on I have a clip of holding a room with trauma staff

[grave bobcat]

Does less damage than surge to specials/elites, Isn't as good at clearing as Voidstrike

[runic hornet]

showcasing how you can ride at high perils and get around the high perils cost

and how it obliterates literally everything in the room with its massive blast radius compared to voidstrike

without getting hung up on target count like surge staff does

[grave bobcat]

Well you're positioning yourself to enable it's AoE

A voidstrike user would do the same

[runic hornet]

voidstrike also stops when it hits heavy units

there's a part where I'm controlling bulwarks by hitting behind them, which is something I do all the time

[grave bobcat]

We could just go in-game lol

My trauma staff isn't the best either tbh I'd rather get better rolls to try one out

[ruby wagon]

Should I spend all my currency?

[vestal finch]

Trauma really needs max charge rate to be good

[runic hornet]

nnnnnnnot unless you know you love trauma staff already

[grave bobcat]

Not on that

Not cause its a trauma staff either lol

[runic hornet]

warp resistance is probably the dump stat on trauma staff

[grave bobcat]

It's just not that good

[runic hornet]

tbh

[fallow meadow]

That's not even a good roll so no.

[runic hornet]

because you just ride the perils to 100

and only quell just as much as you need to

[ruby wagon]

Okay, thanks all 🙂

[grave bobcat]

I went to grinder to do something but you distracted me with the bloody trauma staff lol

[fallow meadow]

I guess you can get one more use if you have good peril res?

[grave bobcat]

Nah mines max

[runic hornet]

not really

[grave bobcat]

only 2

[runic hornet]

you get enough for full charge->small charge->full charge to 100 perils

[grave bobcat]

Just get a low roll on that and hope it spreads into damage and charge rate lol

[runic hornet]

warp resistance wouldn't change that

[grave bobcat]

My revolver that has a dumb low roll on reloading takes 5 years to reload, but all its stats are so high for a 312 or something low roll ahha

It takes so long compared to my others lol

But low 309 roll with the 3 good stats 🥲

So dumb lol

[glacial plume]

how

[grave bobcat]

?

gunners can still be 1 tapped

And cd perk

for peril

[runic hornet]

yeah, CD peril for perk

And then... gunner, flamer, trapper, bomber, something else

[grave bobcat]

Lower the hp of the other high hp mob surroundign them

ez

[runic hornet]

The first four are one-chargeable, the flamer takes warpcharges I think though, but as long as someone else has tickled it

[bright mica]

you can get this by accident if you just run the CD peril feat at lvl 30 for a couple heresy games lol

[glacial plume]

real

[grave bobcat]

I'm in grinder for whatever reason... so I'll find out -.-

Wtf was I doing!

Huh, I wonder if the blessing works considering its not really a "shot"

[runic hornet]

so the big thing about surge staff is that it can only control a very limited number of targets, and it does no damage past the first 2 targets

[runic hornet]

even to flak

[grave bobcat]

We were messing with this earlier

lemmy find clip

I grouped all the mobs

together lol

[runic hornet]

okay, it does MINOR damage past 2 mobs

unless there's something I missed in the range

but it seems to deal high damage to two mobs and then the damage goes to nothing

[runic hornet]

why are you punching a shotgunner in the face lol

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[fallow meadow]

I have heard that you only need 5 elite no matter the type.

[grave bobcat]

Where tf this c lip

Cause someone asking about its spread damage

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/LxobPgm88HQiP/d1337GshxaHN?invite=cr-MSxubTcsNDg2MDU3NTUs okay so here's the room hold

Note how the mobs even in the front and right of the room are getting stumbled and eventually get outright killed

[grave bobcat]

Found it

[runic hornet]

I do a bunch of strikes BEHIND the bulwarks where voidstrike would explode on them

[runic hornet]

yeah, that looks about what I expected

[vestal finch]

You suck

[runic hornet]

is there something I should be missing

[grave bobcat]

Dang my shop exceptiojnally shit this reset

[vestal finch]

Quelling to 0 every time

[runic hornet]

because I was unironically waiting to see what was going on

And the quelling to 0 accelerates it

and I wasn't confident about swapping to sword for the delayed passive quelling, though I could've done that in hindsight

so, in that situation, I just held quell until I needed another charge to stun more

[grave bobcat]

I mean I'd only keep it high cause I have the peril trait

[runic hornet]

yes, I could'e gotten more full bursts if I only quelled to 60 and then burst again

[grave bobcat]

Otherwise I don't see anything wrong with it since you're prepping

[glacial plume]

is this good

[vestal finch]

No, awful

throw it away

[grave bobcat]

My only issue with that clip

[obsidian lichen]

A wall of text is incoming - I was advising someone on how to play Psyker, and figured I'd put it here for other suggestions:

[grave bobcat]

Is that I would've killed all the Ogryns in the door by like 20 seconds into the clip

[runic hornet]

with voidstrike? it's not that good

[grave bobcat]

Surge

I don't use voidstrike

[runic hornet]

and certainly not with surge? it doesn't hit bulwarks that hard

[grave bobcat]

And they would've been held in place so ogryn mans could stand in the door 😛

[vestal finch]

It's his dream and he can do anything he wants in it!

[obsidian lichen]

As a Psyker your role is damage support and crowd control. You are a backline ranged fighter with powerful Horde CC and long-range burst damage against Elites and Specials.

If you're playing Malice difficulty or lower, you can pretty much just do whatever you like and it will work. In Heresy and particularly in Damnation, you really need to fulfil your role properly otherwise you're a detriment to the team.

For weapons:

Melee:

• Antax Mk V Combat Axe. This has great horde control in a pinch. Using the push attack will stop any horde in its tracks and just cut through them with ease. Ideally the Psyker won't often find themselves in a horde, but it's still a great weapon as a backup. It also deals great single-target damage with the heavy attack. It's an all-rounder, and a great one at that.

• Blaze Force Sword. The obvious Psyker choice, but not always the best. This weapon really shines when it comes with the Deflector blessing - which allows you to block ranged shots and increases block efficiency. Combined with Kinetic Deflection (Feat - Use Peril to block instead of Stamina when not at Crit. Peril) the Psyker becomes able to really tank some damage and relieve pressure from shotgunners and gunners in a pinch.

The Alt. attack (single-target BB) deals significant damage, and is highly effective against Mutants, Hounds, Ragers and Maulers (Mutants and Hounds are not effectively killed by Brain Burst in higher difficulties). However, the Force Sword is not good at dealing with hordes besides CC - the block/shove will stagger anything in the game except bosses, and even causes Bulwarks to lower their shields. It's very useful to backup someone that is slaying a horde with a better cleave melee.

Staves:

• For Malice and lower, I highly recommend using a good Voidstrike Staff combined with the Warp Absorption feat (10% Toughness on Warp Attack kill). Monitor your Peril gain, but this weapon is very strong for horde clear, staggering Elites and Specials, and headshotting enemies ducked behind cover. It has great range and killing potential, however without very good perks and blessings (a god-roll) it is lacklustre in higher difficulties.

• Purgatus Staff. A good choice for any difficulty. Purgatus has great horde clear potential, and even on Damnation a fully charged and released Alt. attack will deal heavy damage to specials and elites. It's a DoT combined with stagger, and so is very powerful for relieving horde pressure - it will stagger Ragers and even Maulers with a fully held Alt. fire and kill them over time typically in one charge (of which you would be firing multiple). The damage on Purgatus is underrated.

The primary fire is a quick-fire blast of flames. These will stagger almost any specials in the game. It is very good for stunning enemies to close in with melee and kill them. Shotgunners, Flamers, Trappers, Gunners, Ragers etc. can all be staggered. Hounds and Mutants however will not, and neither will elites be staggered by the primary fire.

• Surge Staff. Another good choice for Heresy and Damnation. The Alt. fire has a longer range stagger compared to Purgatus, and decent damage. However, it only targets 5-6 targets at once, and reduced number of targets are stunned on non-fully charged attacks. Animation cancelling also reduces the number of targets hit.
  _ _

[grave bobcat]

And it doesn't hit Bulwarks that hard oyu're right

Holy fuck

[runic hornet]

even if you could have killed the bulwarks, the trash would have overflowed, and in the situation we were in, we didn't have a good concentration demolisher

[grave bobcat]

But it also doesn't take 20 seconds lol

[runic hornet]

ogyrn was on GG

[obsidian lichen]

This is primarily only useful for staggering close range elites such as Ragers, Maulers, Ogryns and Mutants. It can be quick-fired to stun other specials and used as a gap-closer for melee just like Purgatus, however the Peril cost is significantly higher. The density of specials and elites in Damnation can sometimes be a bit too much unless team cohesion is very good. The primary fire is a normal force burst, which is relatively useless in high difficulty.

• MG XII. Not kidding, staves aren't the only good thing for Psykers. The MG XII is a strong weapon overall, but it offers something in higher difficulties that the staves don't - which is long range pressure relief. Psyker is extremely vulnerable to ranged fire when using a staff, and if a Veteran isn't clearing shooters quickly the Psyker can be pinned down in seconds and will have to resort purely to Brain Bursting, which is very slow and inefficient against anything but specials and elites.

---

Brain Burst:

• Brain Burst is situationally great, but not something you want to be using all the time. It is primarily used as backup ranged burst damage for specials and elites. Generally, the Veteran on the team should be dealing with Gunners, Shotgunners and the like. However, often times there are a lot (especially in Damnation). The Psyker's role here is to clear up specials at the same time to remove the enemy backline as quickly as possible so that a melee class can engage a horde or any melee specials and elites without being gunned down.

It is also the Psyker's role to Brain Burst elites, especially Bulwarks and Crushers. Bulwarks are difficult for a Veteran to shoot because of the shield, and Crushers take heavily reduced damage from guns because of their armour. Brain Burst bypasses both. If you are level 30, using the Kinetic Barrage feat will reduce the casting time of Brain Burst down to 2.25s and reduce the Peril cost per burst also. It is highly effective to cast two Brain Bursts, use Kinetic Barrage to reduce Peril down to 40% and then spam Brain Burst 4 times in rapid succession.

• Rear-guard. The Psyker is the best rear-guard, but must pay special attention to not fall too far behind the group. This is because the Psyker can turn around whilst casting Brain Burst. It is the Psyker's role to watch the group's rear and ensure no Specials are sneaking up on them, but don't ping specials unless you aren't confident in taking them down yourself. If it is a mutant or hound, ping just in case it bugs out and catches you even if you dodge, but flamers, trappers etc. can be dealt with easily - pinging them usually just distracts your allies from doing their other jobs.
  _ _

• Brain Burst spam. So, an important mechanic concerning Brain Burst is that it has set triggers to cause Peril overload. It DOES NOT cause a Peril explosion on burst, but rather only on the initial cast. Therefore, if you are at 98% Peril (or 97% if you don't like risks) you CAN still cast Brain Burst and you won't explode. If you cast at 99% Peril however you will kill yourself. This is because the initial cast of Brain Burst automatically raises Peril by 1% and further increases the charge afterwards, that initial 1% will trigger a Peril explosion (after the Brain Burst is cast).

• Psykinetic's Wrath. This can be cast even during the Perils of the Warp animation to off-set the explosion, however, if you cast right at the end of the animation you will still explode.

Feats:
Highly recommended that you take Psykinetic's Aura, Inner Tranquility, Kinetic Deflection and Kinetic Barrage.

For Toughness regen, Heresy and Damnation you should bring Quietitude for passive regen on Peril quell. For 5th column I recommend Warp Battery for bonus damage on Brain Burst (it has important thresholds for killing in Damnation) and the Peril resistance, but sometimes people take Kinetic Flayer (I personally don't like it).

I don't recommend Soulblaze feats. These are very underwhelming and the damage is too low and too slow for what the feats require or cost. A Purgatus staff is just infinitely better than any of these feats. Ascendant Blaze works with the Purgatus staff to grant Warp Charges, but is honestly not worth it compared to Kinetic Barrage (which is far superior in higher difficulties for rapid burst damage).

[grave bobcat]

This is on damnation right?

Bro

No need for that shit lol

[obsidian lichen]

I'm done now.

[worn canopy]

Also knife with peril gain on block is best for tanking

[tropic pollen]

does Charge Rate make peril go up faster? or would it be more efficient because you spend less time charging?

[runic hornet]

i'm like 80% sure it makes charging more efficient because you reach full charge faster

[obsidian lichen]

I'll test.

[grave bobcat]

And tbh I'd just want the crusher dead

Then start BB'ing the bulwarks

[obsidian lichen]

I have a 79% and 39% Charge Rate Void, so I'll do it now.

[grave bobcat]

Lemmy pump 0 to 100 peril into a bulwark

Can I have max warp charges?

[runic hornet]

I considered that, but the thing is

we didn't have a good concentration destroyer, our vet with a power sword was dead and the zealot was messing around with brautogun

[grave bobcat]

ik but you had them in the dor anyways

They would've stayed there permanently with surge

[bright mica]

please just play Vet or Zealot if you wanna use XII lord 😭

[grave bobcat]

Answer thooo

[runic hornet]

mg12 lasgun is legit on heresy with the right rolls

[grave bobcat]

Can I have max warp charges

For dumping lol

[runic hornet]

it doesn't scale very well to damnation though

[vestal finch]

I prefer Cerebral Lacerations to Psykinetic's Aura

[obsidian lichen]

It makes no difference.

79% Charge Rate, 72% Warp Res. -- 14% Peril on charge, 19% on cast.

39% Charge Rate, 73% Warp Res. -- 14% Peril on charge, 19% on cast.

[grave bobcat]

I'm giving myself max charges lol

[runic hornet]

huh, alright then

[tropic pollen]

oh fascinating, it's purely just for charge speed

[runic hornet]

anyway the statement htat "surge would have held everything in the door" just doesn't work out in my experience

surge staff leaks whenever there's hyperconcentration

leaks badly, even

and it tends to leak the elites

[obsidian lichen]

Trauma with 80% Warp Res and 80% Charge Speed... and it still feels like ass.

[copper plank]

Good morning my witch brethren 🥰

[runic hornet]

I've been owned by ragers and maulers so many times

[obsidian lichen]

Slow and costly.

[runic hornet]

when they just came wading through the trash

so I've started trying trauma now that I have a good staff and honestly I think I'm starting to convert

infnite targets matters and is worth the cost

[obsidian lichen]

Trauma needs balancing.

[runic hornet]

and you stumble for so long you have time to vent, unlike with surge taff where you can partial charge like what, 4-5 times, but then there's a dead period

[runic hornet]

if you chain traumas you put enemies into hard knockdown

[grave bobcat]

k starting point with 0 peril and 6 warps

[obsidian lichen]

Trauma costs too much. Low damage, two full charges with 80% Warp Resistance puts you at 92% Peril.

92%.

[grave bobcat]

hp moment I hit 100 peril

[obsidian lichen]

That's like 800 damage.

[runic hornet]

800 damage to an infinite number of targets instead of just hitting two mobs hard and then tickling 6ish more

[wise pecan]

Why not just use voidstrike instead?

[obsidian lichen]

Ugh, my recording auto records in 4k... I just grabbed a quick clip of using Trauma and the bastard is 140mb.

[runic hornet]

all trash mobs die, everything in an 8meter radius is hard knock downed so long you can vent before they get back up

[obsidian lichen]

Trauma has really bad AoE though.

[digital pagoda]

Epicenter is pretty small

[runic hornet]

much smaller blast radius, weird targetting where sometimes your shots get blocked by elites, actually slower charge

Trauma is better AOE than voidstrike and charges faster?

[pine topaz]

Surge cant hold huge hordes that are common in heresy... may need to pair it with anti horde melee weapns.... firestaff is better

[digital pagoda]

Any target that doesn't get hit in the center, takes 8 damage, and is sent flying behind you so they can flank your team

[pine topaz]

But i use surge for malice always

Heresy... fire staff

[grave bobcat]

@runic hornet This is damnation bulwark. Took about 4 seconds? So prob could've killed all the ogryns at 20s

[obsidian lichen]

Trauma's blast radius is god-awful. Only the centre takes damage, and on Heresy and Damnation the damage is lower. Outer AoE deals no damage at all (negligent damage). The knockdown compared to cost sucks when Purgatus and Surge exist.

[grave bobcat]

Since I'd just reset with my F and do it again

[runic hornet]

surge staff misses mobs all the time because the chaining is funny and again, limited targets, fresh horde spawns suck them all up

[grave bobcat]

Aim up 🙂

[runic hornet]

purgatus forces you to fling your camera left and right to catch a wide front

[pine topaz]

I feel like in heresy u need to clear the horde in order to kill the 50 specials the game throws at you most of the time

[grave bobcat]

I never have any problems hitting the ones I want

[runic hornet]

"the ones you want" and then there's fucking 50 poxwalkers in hyperconcentration just steaming through

also there's some elites in there too because fuck you, that's why

[grave bobcat]

Ogryn big, pox small

aim over

Well

The elites I want too

[copper plank]

A lot of it depends also on your teammates

[grave bobcat]

I would be trying to kill those also

[digital pagoda]

When this happens, you aren't supposed to have surge equipped

[gritty bloom]

what main and secondary stats should psykers prio on curios?

[grave bobcat]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/LxobPgm88HQiP/d1337GshxaHN?invite=cr-MSxubTcsNDg2MDU3NTUs

This is the scenario

We're using

[digital pagoda]

You just use it when maulers bulwarks and crushers are rushing you

[runic hornet]

like, here's the thing, ogyrn mains love cleaver and club over shield so they can actually fucking kill trash

instead of merely stalling it

[obsidian lichen]

Resistance to gunners or ranged attacks.

[runic hornet]

Trauma has a lot more kill potential in these horde situations

isn't that a good thing?

[gritty bloom]

and main health or toughness or wounds?

[grave bobcat]

I mean it has better kill potential for the small horde enemies

But elites not really

I kill them way faster

And stop them moving

[runic hornet]

3 toughness curios if you think you're a pro
2 toughness and 1 wound if you don't

[gritty bloom]

thanks

[digital pagoda]

Melee weapon kills hordes better than trauma anyways

[runic hornet]

having 3 wounds instead of just 2 is a very significant upgrade if you expect to take random downs

[grave bobcat]

Just noticed I have the wrong staff equipped lol

[obsidian lichen]

Toughness and ranged res. is just a godsend for Psykers in Damnation.

[pine topaz]

I am gonna try trauma staff tonight in heresy

[copper plank]

No matter what staff you use if your teammates are not doing there part or running off it’s gonna go bad. A good team that attacks your tagged targets and melees your controlled crowd is what wins 😁

[grave bobcat]

What i run 😛

[runic hornet]

the thing is you really, really need a perfectly rolled trauma staff, maybe cutting damage stat

mayyyyybe

Charge rate is super important and scales super hard

[obsidian lichen]

I still haven't gotten a single ranged resistance curio. 🙂

[runic hornet]

like from 65->80 is cutting off an entire 0.2 seconds, 1.5 seconds becomes 1.3

[obsidian lichen]

I'm am not getting off this hill. Trauma is ass.

[runic hornet]

i thought trauma was ass too and then I got a good base statted staf

and the more I use it, the more I like it over surge

Surge feels like I'm trusting my team too much

[grave bobcat]

True, all my build is good for is killing special/elites

So need teammates for hordes 😄

[obsidian lichen]

Damage is terrible, cost is high, AoE is small. It's only use is to stagger like 1 or 2 close together elites or specials.

I have a 367 Trauma.

[runic hornet]

Trauma feels like my team has to do a whole lot less for us to succeed

[celest oar]

voidstrike!

[grave bobcat]

Hell no

I just said my build is for killing specials lol

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike doesn't kill specs well, at all

[obsidian lichen]

• Still takes a full charge to even kill a pox-walker in the centre.

[runic hornet]

the ball is too slow moving and you will never hit anything that doesn't bunker behind cover

[grave bobcat]

Thats a good trauma roll

[runic hornet]

bro, don't use it to kill one poxwalker

[celest oar]

just gotta lead your shots

[runic hornet]

draw your sword

[obsidian lichen]

That's not the point.

[runic hornet]

you use it to murder an arbitrary number of poxwalkers in two explosions

[grave bobcat]

I dunno feel like we're changing the original argument now

[runic hornet]

there's tons of places where you encounter hyperconcentration in this game

every single ledge

any spawn door

even just "the horde is standing pre-spawned in the open"

[obsidian lichen]

The point is that the damage is terrible. 41% Peril on charge to deal no damage. Only the centre of the AoE has knockdown, outer AoE has minor stagger. The AoE is tiny. It is just worse for stunning than other staves except VS (in Damnation).

[tiny wharf]

sharpshooter is so rediculously easy to get penances for compared to psyker. I've gotten everything by accident.

[wise pecan]

How did you get 100% accuracy no rounds left on accident

[runic hornet]

"minor stagger"

The stagger state seems to build

[grave bobcat]

It's not like the trauma staff is completely unusable, just the others do it better 🤷

[tiny wharf]

too low level for heresey lmao

[runic hornet]

Look at the middle of the clip

look at the trash at the edges fo the room

it goes from staggered to on the floor to dead

[wise pecan]

Ah fair lol

[runic hornet]

without me even having to focus on it

[tiny wharf]

But I imagine the best way to do it is revolver. I've done the 100% accuracy, just not allowed into heresy yet. this vet is only level 5

[runic hornet]

actually that stagger isn't fucking minor at all

everything not in the circle went straight from on its feet to hardknockdown state, on their backs and stomaches

[grave bobcat]

Jus sayin by the middle of the clip Surge would've cleared all the Ogryns 😛

[runic hornet]

I hit the STAIRS and the groaners on the floor went horizontal

the helmet dregs were stumbled for like two full seconds

that's not minor at all

[obsidian lichen]

Ok, I watched the clip.

All I'm seeing is your team getting gradually pushed back and overrun through an otherwise easy to defend chokehold because you have to spend half the time quelling Peril and failing to CC most of the minor trash while the bulwarks push through.

[runic hornet]

Surge would've 100% failed there, and worse
because target cap is a huge limiting factor

[grave bobcat]

While I didn't want to point it out like that

I agree

[runic hornet]

That's been my experience with surge.

[grave bobcat]

??

AIM UP BROTHER

[runic hornet]

Aim up and do what now? Focus ogyrns?

The trash gets through

[obsidian lichen]

Purgatus can do better CC to horde and specials, then Barrage to BB to smack down those bulwarks rapidly and re-stagger the horde.

[runic hornet]

unless aiming up is a secret tech to violating the surge target cap

[tiny wharf]

It is. Aim at the sky my dude

[grave bobcat]

No cause if you're aiming at the body level of the bloody pox's

[tiny wharf]

it channels 360 degrees around you

[grave bobcat]

tThey're gonna get targeted

And tbf, the ogryns are in front of them the majority of time

[runic hornet]

wait, do you mean literally aim as high as I can into the ceiling

not just above their heads

[grave bobcat]

There isn't anything block you and your crosshair from them

[tiny wharf]

Yup. Try it.

[grave bobcat]

No lol

Just right at them

Well

tbh

You can actually do that lol haha

[runic hornet]

because aiming above their heads didn't help at all

[obsidian lichen]

I'd also point out that Purgatus damage to Bulwarks is not a joke if you aim at their exposed arm.

[warm delta]

PURGATUS DA BEST

[ornate hamlet]

I love fire

[runic hornet]

nnnnnnno

I'm in the range

I aimed high

the 6 poxwalker stack, only 4 got hi

Surge sucks.

did it again

3 hit

surge is bullshit

[grave bobcat]

You can aim at the sky

[runic hornet]

I did

[grave bobcat]

if you want too lol

[runic hornet]

hit 2

Yes I can aim at the sky and get a hit

But I am not fucking hitting "everything"

the target chaining is weird and lets all kinds of shit leak through in my experience and in every single damnation LFG iv'e done the surge fucking leaks

[grave bobcat]

I didn't actually mean aim at the sky I said that lol

[tiny wharf]

[grave bobcat]

Aim directly at orgryns above the pox's models

[runic hornet]

I aim high, I aim at sky, the 6 poxwalker block is just standing there and a random number less than 6 and usually less than 4 get hit every time

[grave bobcat]

I don't know why you're struggling so much lol

[runic hornet]

And that matches my experience in live play

random enemies leak

[grave bobcat]

It's like you're pretending to have a disability with the surge staff to prove your point about Trauma lmfao

[tiny wharf]

now stretch out your arms and scream as loud as you can while spinning in a circle
trust me bro this is speedrun tech I invented

[grave bobcat]

Hurr durr how doth this thing work

[runic hornet]

seriously

I hit 4, I hit 3, I hit 2, I hit 5 sometimes

I cannot even hit all 6 poxwalkers in the range

and in liveplay I experience the same shit

[grave bobcat]

Are you...

Shooting the pox walkers...

With the surge?

[runic hornet]

I'm aiming at them, below them, above them, literally with them off screen

I cannot hit all 6

[grave bobcat]

???

[runic hornet]

I look down and I see that one hasn't even taken hits

after aiming up

[grave bobcat]

What're you even looking to test for here??? lol

[runic hornet]

checking how surge staff targets mobs and chains

Because I'm telling you

it fucking leaks trash mobs

[grave bobcat]

Ofc it wil?

It's not a trash killer

Like we've been saying

[runic hornet]

because of some ??? targetting method that is not "if it's in here, it gets fucking smacked to the floor"

[grave bobcat]

You even said it yourself earlier.

[runic hornet]

No, you guys have been telling me "bro just aim up and you'll catch everything"

[grave bobcat]

No.

[tiny wharf]

Aim higher.

[grave bobcat]

I literally showed you a clip.

Of how many targets it generally spreads too

[runic hornet]

yeah I'll catch two ogyrns and then I'll never cast again because the poxwalkers are in my face

[grave bobcat]

It doesn't have infinite AoE

It's like 4-6

[runic hornet]

So you're agreeing with me then

[grave bobcat]

That it doesn't hit everything?

Yes.

[runic hornet]

All I'm seeing is your team getting gradually pushed back and overrun through an otherwise easy to defend chokehold because you have to spend half the time quelling Peril and failing to CC most of the minor trash while the bulwarks push through.
How in the WORLD is surge staff going to CC like 20 trash mobs flooding through the door

[grave bobcat]

I literally never said it would hit literally every enemy

[runic hornet]

when it "hits 4-6"

[grave bobcat]

I have been saying this whole time

And told you

And showed you.

That I'm specifically targetting the Ogryns.

[tiny wharf]

Easy, actually. You don't charge it, let er rip like a fuckin beyblade the moment it's able, and the stunned walkers will body block the others.
it's pretty easy

[runic hornet]

if it only hits 4-6 then doesn't it "fail to CC most of hte minor trash" anyway

[grave bobcat]

Yes it's not for CCing minor trash

I never said it was

Are you like

High? lol

[runic hornet]

And mind you, even after the trash "leaked", it was CC'd

[grave bobcat]

Surge isn't horde clearer

[runic hornet]

every time I hit trauma staff, every single trahs mob in the room either took a hard stumble (the bigger bois, the helmet dregs), or they got hard knockedowned (the groaners)

so "leak" isn't even really accurate

because they were under control the whole time

[worthy wasp]

only noobs use surge on hordes

[grave bobcat]

^

[grave bobcat]

And by the time this happened in the clip

I showed you the dmg I would've dealt to the bulwarks.

[wise pecan]

Surge is terrible for horde control. Even spamming it, even on low difficulties, you will lose ground vs a horde with surge unless you have cleavy teammates to cull it. Surge’s use is for specials and elites (particularly bombers and hounds), though I haven’t gotten the hang of actually getting it to hit what I want it to

[runic hornet]

And you wouldn't have in that istuation, because you would have died to poxwalkers casting that many times on bulwarks in a row without controling the trash

Because sure as shit my teammates weren't doing a great job of that either

[worthy wasp]

surge = you melee a fkload, dunk on everything with mk5 antax.

"but omfg you cant push attack through a bulwark shield!!! and antax doesn't have deflector!!!"

-congratz, you found the situations you use surge staff

[grave bobcat]

No? lol

I dunno man, like put the bowl down lol

Like you've not been reading anything I've been saying suddenly lol

[runic hornet]

The point is that mixed horde is coming through

[grave bobcat]

I even said earlier come in a Damn game with me cause I want to see someone use it

[runic hornet]

Because we have a man down my team is underpowered (and the zealot is actively trolling anyway)

so it's basically just me and the ogyrn

well, no, the zealot throws a stun in that clip

yeah that's fine

[worthy wasp]

antax mk5 push attack everything. When Ogryn push to the front of the mixed horde swap to Surge staff.

GG you just cleared damnation

[grave bobcat]

Correct and

[grave bobcat]

Shard

pointed out what is happening.

[worthy wasp]

trauma staff has so much fkn downtime

in the downtime

your squad gets pushed back into room

[obsidian lichen]

Which is why they need to reduce cost. It should cost as much as Voidstrike.

[worthy wasp]

like, sweet you ccd shit

[grave bobcat]

And in the 20 secojnds of that clip occuring

[worthy wasp]

but now imagine you are dealing with bombers/flamers/etc...

[obsidian lichen]

Full charge to 19% Peril at roughly 70% Warp Resist.

[grave bobcat]

I would've cleared all the Ogryns.

[worthy wasp]

and you are being pushed into a corner

[grave bobcat]

Killed Crusher, and then BB the bulwarks prob

[worthy wasp]

ye void is by far and away the best staff if you plan on spamming staff attacks

surge is the best staff if you plan on spending more time in melee

[grave bobcat]

I've been really enjoying the dagger

ngl

I can't get a good roll one tho

[ivory marsh]

If you want to use trauma go ahead

but its straight buns

[worthy wasp]

surge = push attack push attack push attack push attack

oh look an Ogryn ... CCd

push attack push attack push attack push attack

[grave bobcat]

Ye just, use whatever tf you want I've been griefing with the revolver stealing ammo

[restive tapir]

i feel like th catachan knife is SO fun but only with something like the Voidstrike staff where you kill everything at range and the only things that get to you are tougher so you need single target damage. With the flame staff i prefer the force sword because it can kill big enemies but also keep off hordes since you're playing at a closer range

[runic hornet]

yeah, I wouldn't combo the knife with surge staf

I've seen people try

it never ends well

knife voidstrike should work

I just hate the knife period though

[restive tapir]

yeah i tried it once with the flame staff and it didn't go well

[runic hornet]

carpal tunnel weapon

[restive tapir]

but i loved it with Voidstrike and the guns in the preorder beta

[grave bobcat]

Just using it cause its fun really

Surge just makes missions a lot easier

[restive tapir]

it's VERY fun the little twirl after a heavy attack is so satisfying

[grave bobcat]

I just use block swing

Similar to Antax but faster rlly

[restive tapir]

🫵 evil

[runic hornet]

i've herad people talking up antax push attack spam but it hasn't been holding up for me

[grave bobcat]

It's prob good but boring af

[runic hornet]

the horde is larger than my stamina bar and if you get caught offguard by even one mob you get guardbroken and die

[grave bobcat]

Like gotta be the more unengaging way to playu lol

[runic hornet]

it doesn't seem safe at all

I'd rather just use a halfway decent sword

[grave bobcat]

Not using PEril blolck?

[restive tapir]

i keep forgetting the force sword pushes cost peril and blowing up lol

[grave bobcat]

Peril block*

[worthy wasp]

Void Staff imo pairs best with either Force Sword (utility + clutch revives) or Dueling Sword/Dagger (mobility op... push.. dodge back.. weapon swap and fire secondary attacks with staff)

[grave bobcat]

Onyl the like

Hand push

You can just do the normal push without cost

[worthy wasp]

FS tho is absolute dog water w/ Surge

IMHO

[runic hornet]

Oh, lol, I forgot about that

I was trying it on zealot and wondering what all the fuss was about

Yeah I guess that would work on psyker

[cyan notch]

force sword is pretty good i use it with surge

[runic hornet]

(i don't have an antax on my psyker is why)

[restive tapir]

wym clutch revives is the "blocking while reviving" thing a force sword exclusive? i thought they just patched it in lol

[runic hornet]

only the force sword can block bullets

HP damage interrupts revive

[grave bobcat]

Nah

[runic hornet]

So if there's just two riflemen nearby to interrupt your revive with any other weapon, force sword can block them

and you get your revive

[worthy wasp]

The thing is

[stark snow]

FS felt a lot better vs hordes after I switched to a light->heavy rotation instead of spam left clicking

[grave bobcat]

Do the first light swing

[restive tapir]

because i keep blocking melee attacks when reviving now but didn't before

[grave bobcat]

really good for clearing

[stark snow]

For when I’m clearing after the push hearding

[vestal finch]

Melee felt a lot better after I switched off FS

[runic hornet]

yeah, force sword is unfortunatey lkind of ass for killing, period

[stark snow]

Yeah first light swing then the second heavy feels best

[runic hornet]

bad swing arcs, low damage

[grave bobcat]

Noo just first

[runic hornet]

worse than knife and that's saying something

the clutch potential, though

for revives

[grave bobcat]

you can either wep swap to do it super quick. or just block and swing again

[vestal finch]

The Knife is great

[runic hornet]

not for clearing horde, it ain't

[stark snow]

Hmm

[vestal finch]

I can run across the room in only a few seconds without wasting stamina

[runic hornet]

knife can survive horde

[vestal finch]

I have my staff for that

[runic hornet]

it can't CLEAR horde

[worthy wasp]

Void Staff pairs well with FS because Void Staff is incredibly versatile in terms of dps. You dont need your melee ever unless something is in your face. FS + mobile weapons (dueling sword + knife) are great at creating the space you need to keep blasting

[restive tapir]

which is why i use force sword with flame staff, i use the staff on hordes but the sword keeps me safe if any poxwalkers get through the flames, then the charged up attack is decent for solo damage

[stark snow]

Maybe I’ll give that a shot. Light heavy feels good when I’m relatively safe though

[grave bobcat]

I usually just chain swing block push swing

[cyan notch]

light heavy push is great

[grave bobcat]

always 1st light and just typical VT rhythm

[stark snow]

I might make a macro for the light heavy so I can be lazy too -_-

[worthy wasp]

Surge Staff is the opposite of Void Staff. Its incredibly niche, excellent in its niche, and you need to pair it with a melee that is damn near anti-everything. Can horde clear and kill elites. Hence why Antax MkV is popular

[grave bobcat]

Yeah my rhythm with this now is shit after using dagger so much lopl

[runic hornet]

I was using the acyls axe for the uppercut on my zealot, over antax

but I suppose psyker doesn't need the uppercut on account of surge staff lol

[cyan notch]

force sword can kill everything and is great for bursting elites too

[runic hornet]

that's your stagger tool

[stark snow]

Ngl I ran a few maps with the vld recon when my zealot buddy wanted to run his flamer and it felt good. Woulda been better if my vld had infernus

[runic hornet]

force sword really struggles to deal with horde and the special requires you to not be interrupted once the sword sticks

so it's impossible to use in mixed horde

[vestal finch]

I like to use the simple sword sometimes

[stark snow]

If it’s mixed horse and I have to clear I ult then go pick off the elites

I just push if my team can handle it though without me blowing ult

[cyan notch]

you can push attack elites off the main horde

[young summit]

Tried the fs iver the mkv and i loved the bullet block but badly missed the silly push from the mkv. That push locks down just about everything combined with the impact force of the axe.

[worthy wasp]

You just explained perfectly why Force Sword + Surge Staff is a no no

[runic hornet]

gonna try antax + surge real quick

[worthy wasp]

If you start wondering if you're using push attack too much, you know you're doing it right

[runic hornet]

Do you take any +stamina curios? :V

[cyan notch]

yea its pretty cheese

[grave bobcat]

k found my rhythm this is what i mean lol

[cyan notch]

brain afk spam 1 move cant die

[worthy wasp]

If you think "lol this weap has doodoo cleave" youre doing it wrong.

And no, no stam needed. Use peril to block

[runic hornet]

yeah but you need stam to keep pushing

Just wondering

[cyan echo]

thats the neat thing, you dont

[runic hornet]

I'm pretty sure the answer was no

[worthy wasp]

You regen stam fast enough to spam it

[cyan echo]

You can keep attacking....forever

[runic hornet]

it regens fast enough to allow you to push again after the fast attack?

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[runic hornet]

Huh

[cyan notch]

pretty busted should nerf imo

[grave bobcat]

Can either do that or just chain it with block push

[young summit]

Hey you get to rp as hulk hogan while pushing everything away. Whats not to like as a skinny psyker /lol

[grave bobcat]

I like that for horde clear FS anyways

[worthy wasp]

Push attack push attack push attack

[cyan echo]

“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Veteran— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a psyker holding block-attack— forever. ”

[worthy wasp]

GG

[stark snow]

ok I am convinced

[runic hornet]

I did QQ hammer canceling and this looks even faster lol

I'll pass

[young summit]

Now thats some zealot ap flamer bullshit if iv ever seen it.

[grave bobcat]

lmao

My rhythm is all fucked cause using the dagger so long

[cyan notch]

yea spamming that in the long run gotta be pretty taxing

[grave bobcat]

Can maybe do it faster

[cyan notch]

although u arent fighting horde all the time

[woven crow]

What's a good levelling build? I have a force staff and power sword, but it's not got much oomph. Also, what feats?

Only level 10

[stark snow]

so swing, double weapon swap. swing, double weapon swap?

[young summit]

Thats so getting patched out though 😅

[grave bobcat]

Well its just QQ swing QQ swing

[stark snow]

gonna just fucking macro it, no way I'm gonna murder my hands like that

[worthy wasp]

Macro

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

Thats fair

[runic hornet]

every time I've tried to macro a complex routine like that

[hot yew]

any oce psykers want to do Malleus Monstronum?

[grave bobcat]

I might do the same tbh, my arm injury is feeling it a little

[runic hornet]

getting "off the rails" has resulted in tragedy

like if you need to stop to swap to your staff and actually use it

[worthy wasp]

Nah, just make a QQclick macro

[runic hornet]

and then you throw in an input

and it wrecks everything

[worthy wasp]

And hold it in hordes

[runic hornet]

like a derailing train

[stark snow]

I mean it's just going to be a separate button

not a lot of binds for this game

[grave bobcat]

Yeah lol

[worthy wasp]

Yep

[grave bobcat]

Put it on middle mouse 🥲

[cyan notch]

seems lame to macro it

[runic hornet]

like if your macro looks like "1 2 3"
Then you make an input and suddnely it's "1 2 N3"

[young summit]

Tou can autoit script it, and theres ways to stop the script when your not holding down the button/pressing the key

[grave bobcat]

Or m5 since this game actually came with hotkeys that require side buttons

Takes liek 5s to make

Eh I'll make one for the dagger I guess

[stark snow]

pretty sure fatshark have said they're ok with macros in the past, idk I'm old now, don't need to do unnecessarily repetitive keystrokes for no reason like that.

[cyan notch]

still seems cheesy

[cyan echo]

These games are ALL ABOUT cheese

[grave bobcat]

Yeaah... My right side isn't the best due to some things 🥲 so constant pressure on keys is kinda rough

Can't use the fucking bow in Apex cause of it lmfao

[cyan notch]

well theres game mechanics cheese but this is just execution cheese

[grave bobcat]

Do I get a disability parking space

[spare niche]

Why not

[grave bobcat]

Neat

[spare niche]

Benefits in game too pal

Discounts at shops

😂😂

Imagine that

Would be class

[idle bay]

Oh no! I think i ruined my nearly perfect Axe by upgrading it. Limbsplitter seems to be a bad one ?

[spare niche]

Get another mate fuck it

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-man-throw-out-trash-gif-14761446

[cyan notch]

decimator sucks

doesnt affect push attack and i assume ur just spamming that

[runic hornet]

wait

does limbspltiter buff pushattack spam

because if it does...

without any penalty

you're constantly interrupting any "chain" by pushing

so why wouldn't it

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[runic hornet]

my limbsplitter axe is doing 193
the non limbpslitter axe, 146

so I'm going to say yes

[glossy hemlock]

so, Pick n Mix penance......any tips?

[grave bobcat]

So you can just block and then get the first swing again

[runic hornet]

hot damn

[royal copper]

Anyone else having difficulties finishing the mind over matter 2 penance(finishall missions on malice)?
Ive been maining psyker since preorder beta and I find it impossible that I havent finished every mission on 3+ difficulty on my main... but Im 6/7 still and this is the only penance I havent finished yet lmao

[grave bobcat]

Kinda fun that everyone encountering trouble with these penances

I just restarted my game lemme get on to read what it is lol

[royal copper]

ye some penances are kinda difficult to pull off, but I believe my penance got bugged

ive done over 100 missions but havent completed all on 3 diff hahaha

[grave bobcat]

Yeah idc about them and my head keeps going "that sounds easy though" but realistic me knows its prob not as simple lol

hmm

Are you level 30?

[royal copper]

prolly the hardest psyker penance is the one where you gotta blow up 3 elites just because its pretty luck based

[grave bobcat]

Maybe dumb question

lol

[tiny wharf]

Out with a bang is such a fuckin shitshow.

[grave bobcat]

I almost did that by accident earlier 🥲

[royal copper]

haha yeh... Ive played the psyker most... got 100+ hrs in darktide

[grave bobcat]

I got ressed, and my peril explosion... went off? lol

So i instantly died on ress

Pretty funny

[royal copper]

lmao, never seen that hahah, rip 2 bars

[grave bobcat]

Same

I only run 2 bars so I was F

Hmm I wonder why it considers it incomplete

[sudden barn]

Can armoured enemies not be crit? I was testing the crit bonus of the surge staff in the psykanium and I get yellow numbers but they are never any more damage than normal hits. Then I checked the info on crit bonus and it specifically doesn't mention armour and flak armour in the bonuses.

[grave bobcat]

I don't eve nrememebr doing it

[stark snow]

so you can probably do this without macro'ing it, but I can also partially sprint with it

[grave bobcat]

The ycan

[whole wharf]

You know, I love this headpiece.

[grave bobcat]

I already made mine lol

[whole wharf]

The back however....

🙃

[sudden barn]

Then I don't understand crits, the numbers make no sense, on some enemies it crits for a reasonable amount and on others there is no bonus damage

[grave bobcat]

@stark snow

[sudden barn]

The bowl cut mixed with super saiyan

[grave bobcat]

Yo ureading the stats table for damage on the surge?

[sudden barn]

Yeah

[nocturne maple]

I still need to do the deathsplosion kills 3 elites. Doing it with randoms is impossible, they pretty much all ignore me when I ask to take a group alone

(Funny that asking to solo a monster was an easier call for them, but I guess monsters are easier to notice)

[whole wharf]

Omg yeah same here.

[grave bobcat]

I can try to help, I guess. More fun than mindlessly grinding mats

[whole wharf]

The damage from blowing yourself up is laughable.

Its so bad...

[nocturne maple]

Its "decent" but not enough to one shot anything aside from like shotgunners

[sudden barn]

I see it as about 80% of a BB

[grave bobcat]

Eh its like 800 dmg with max warp

it'l do

[sudden barn]

I did 3 hits on a carapace armoured dude, crit for 201, then 2 normal hits for 221, 223

Yellow numbers are crits right?

[worn canopy]

The qq spam can get worse.

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[sudden barn]

Then what the fuck

[grave bobcat]

If you look crits dont do more

[whole wharf]

Just another reason I would appreciate "Private lobbies" a lot more.

[stark snow]

ya nic gonna play with timings a bit

[wise hemlock]

are mystery purchases worth it

[whole wharf]

So hard to coordinate challenges in a quick play match sadly.

[grave bobcat]

@sudden barn

dunno if you saw the table

I should've gotten the armor types...

inside the same... screenshot..

[sudden barn]

I see it, it does a little more, I'm looking at my own

[grave bobcat]

mhm

[whole wharf]

All RNG based. Might get a god roll, might get a garbage white three times in a row.

[sudden barn]

So some just take tiny crits

[grave bobcat]

Yeah the surge damage is very consistent

[lethal raptor]

I did 5 minutes of digging on the forums, and I find it odd that deflector on force sword doesn't block snipers. IMO, either the perk should block snipers, or it should have it in writing, that it blocks ranged fire (except snipers).

Perk kinda sets you up for failure in its current state

[cyan notch]

yea snipers are special idk if intended

[grave bobcat]

Tbf I'm surprised you assumed it'd block snipers lol

I didn't think it would by default

[lethal raptor]

Two bug reports on the fatshark forums were labeled as "not a bug"

[grave bobcat]

But there is a lot of tooltip detail missing across the whole game

[grave bobcat]

Blocking gunners is insane

Only time I've been hit by a sniper today was a trapper bullying me

And pulling me into their sightline 😦

[summer prairie]

if you can block a sniper you can dodge it

unless you happen to be holding block

[grave bobcat]

Otherwise just BB them. gunners are much more of a problem

[grave bobcat]

Figure out why its not working?

[sudden barn]

Armoured and Flak take 15.1% more damage from a crit, unarmoured and infested take 86.7% more, and unyielding and maniacs take 40.5% more. I guess that makes sense? Would be good if that was more easily available information.

[grave bobcat]

I wish our weapons actual stat sheet was actually visible

And like, when are Warp Nexus stacks active etc

Dunno why they hide all these buff icons

[sudden barn]

Yeah

[grave bobcat]

Hide prob wrong word

I don't know why they didn't put the info in the game for us to see

[sudden barn]

Oh god that's only the surge staff, the others are different again

[grave bobcat]

Yup

Every wep has its own 🙂

[lethal raptor]

Technically yes, but I thought it was just a really strong ranged attack. I understand if it's a gameplay design choice, but at least have that information in the tooltip, rather than have to find out that there are exceptions to the current wording.

[grave bobcat]

FOr each att it does

[summer prairie]

you also can't block unblockable melee attacks

[grave bobcat]

I mean its a lessojn you only learn once though isn't it lol

[sudden barn]

Voidstrike seems to be pretty level at 29% ish

[grave bobcat]

Rmber there are stats on some weps that change the %

[sudden barn]

Yeah that was with a 74% crit bonus surge staff

[grave bobcat]

Finesse is the "melee" version

[lethal raptor]

There's the crusher attack, some boss slams, which others are there?

[grave bobcat]

I was expecting the dude who wanted help with their penance to ask to add me but 🤷

[summer prairie]

not positive since some may be blockable with high enough bcr or stamina

[lethal raptor]

I just wish this information would be clearer

[grave bobcat]

As someone that likes to see the numbers.... me to bud, me too

[runic hornet]

Okay, did some surge with "aim high"

Shit's placebo against maulers/ragers, it works on ogyrns consistently though

ragers/gunners/maulers aren't tall enough apparently that aiming high will consistently target them in horde

ogyrns aren't only tall, but they also tetnd to bull their way to the front, so it's fine

antax push attack spam is funny but... not that great? the infinite pushes are great, the fact you have a cleave attack on a weapon that doesn't is great, but you don't actually swing that often, I'd rather just have a sword if I want to do that. But the pushes + safety are brainless I guess

[nocturne maple]

Its apparently a bug from what I've heard

[lethal raptor]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/force-sword-deflector-blessing-not-working-when-shot-by-snipers/66976

not a bug

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/force-blade-deflector-does-not-work-on-snipers/60495

[tidal sage]

anybody willing to help with going out with a bang?

[runic hornet]

I guess they want deflectors to still feel the fear of god if a sniper spawns

I mean, deflector doesn't block nets or flamers either

[lethal raptor]

A net is special, and fire isn't a projectile, but something you're standing in. Again, would have no issue with how it works, if it were to be marked as such.

[runic hornet]

I mean that's viewing it through the lens of "is a thing that comes out of a gun", "is a laser"

I'm thinking more in line of reapers/gunners being elites, but nets/flames/snipers being "specials"

like they even put the sniper in the specials section of the meat grinder

[lethal raptor]

Yeah, that's the lens I see it through, and evidently I am not the only one, because multiple people brought it up before me.

[cyan notch]

deflector isnt 360 block either

[lethal raptor]

Neither is an ogryn's shield, so that's logically consistent

[royal copper]

well no but i found out that ppl are having the same problem on the forum, and theres no exact fix for it, it just randomly comletes lmao

[magic hull]

holy shit

max base value

im snatching it

[fiery zenith]

Pretty solid stats yeah

if only that cloud radius could be swapped with resistance or speed

[bright cipher]

God damn it only it wasn't purgatus

[magic hull]

purgatus is meta on heresy wdym

[bright cipher]

I hope void and purge get buffed so they're more competitive with surge on damnation

[magic hull]

its really damn good on lights out

[bright cipher]

Oh and trauma too lol

[cyan notch]

always good to snag 380 stuff they might get buffed anyway

[royal copper]

surge may be the most useful but purgatus is the most fun staff by far

[bright cipher]

That's fair

[fiery zenith]

burning heretics in flames is just too good.

[bright cipher]

But surge is oppressively useful on damnation

[cyan notch]

not everyone plays damnation tbh

[runic hornet]

honestly the strong suit of surge isn't even the CC on damnation, though that's still good

[magic hull]

surge is precise, purgatus is horde clearing max stun

[runic hornet]

it's the ability to narc scab rifle squads

[bright cipher]

Nothing wrong with being more comfortable on a lower difficulty

[runic hornet]

because of how fucking dangerous rifles are on damnation

[magic hull]

you can do a 360 with purgatus and stun everyone around you

[bright cipher]

Sir

[runic hornet]

like the CC could be interchangeable with purgatus or void or even (lol) trauma

[bright cipher]

Purgatus staggers

Surge stuns

[magic hull]

yeah try stagger 300 people at once

have fun

[grave bobcat]

Surge says no

[runic hornet]

surge though you can wave it in the general vicinity of scab rifles and then dodge back into cover

and get a kill

[blazing sand]

how many BB's do ogryns need in heresy and above?

[bright cipher]

0

[runic hornet]

heresy is like... 3

[bright cipher]

Because you don't BB them

[runic hornet]

damnation is like 5

it's a really big spike

[cyan notch]

sometimes i see lightning arcs onto enemies but they dont stun or take damage

[blazing sand]

damn

[magic hull]

look surge is good

[runic hornet]

the lightning effect will jump onto enemies if you wave your mouse over them AFTER you have clicked

[magic hull]

but dont give shit to purge

[runic hornet]

but nothing will happen

[magic hull]

purge is up there as well

[runic hornet]

the targets are actually selected when you click

[magic hull]

really damn fun and good

[runic hornet]

you cannot "paint" with the surge staff

as soon as you click, you have fired, and any other sparkling effects are noneffectual

[bright cipher]

Ok you've clearly shown that you're a passionate staff loyalist so I won't bothering with trying to get you to see the bigger picture

It's fine if you enjoy it

[cyan notch]

im not even attempting to paint

[magic hull]

hell yeh

[cyan notch]

but oh well just a visual thing

[magic hull]

for dah emprah

[mellow crescent]

can you animation cancel purge?
would doing so even be useful?
not arguing for or against just curious

[blazing sand]

if you're not BB'n specials/elites/unyieldings at heresy and above what are you doing?

[cyan notch]

id use purg if its left click was a normal staff bolt or something with range

[runic hornet]

darting around using your staff, of course

whether it's void, surge, purgatus, or (lol) trauma

BB is for covering what your staff can't reliably hit, which is usually faraway specials

it's so that you don't feel left out when even the ogyrn is sniping with his rumbler grenades

you have... something... you can do in the meantime

[cyan notch]

and taking chunks of toughness damage cuz you have 3 camo vets standing still

[runic hornet]

eh, quell it off

[magic hull]

ok im pretty happy :))) gotta try this one out

[runic hornet]

also just because the hits to kill is bad

[magic hull]

time to farm amterials

[runic hornet]

doesn't mean you don't BB reapers/bulwarks/crushers

it inflicts a very hard stun

which can be the opening your zealot needs to charge in

[undone elm]

wtf man i hate how you cant do jack against berserkers

it makes me hate the class

you just get stun-locked like who thought it was ok to make them shove proof and a endless attack

i hate this bad design like come on

[sterile lake]

found this one as grey in the shop, upgraded it to purple
i feel like it is missing something and i am not sure if upping it to gold can give that

[grave bobcat]

Only bulwarks imo

Or Reapers I can't get close enough too

[runic hornet]

you can dodge their attacks
The PROBLEM is that their FUCKING animations aren't lined up with the actual active frames of the attack which is DUMB

once you actually learn where the attacks are though you can do side dodges to preserve your stamina and slip in lights

have fun with >1 ragers on you, 2 ragers swinging overlapping each other is a death sentence unless you have a teammate to bail you out, or you have your own source of stagger

[grave bobcat]

Noice

[hollow steeple]

I just backpedal while praying to the emperor and spamming Purgatus left clicks

[grave bobcat]

I think I just want a 80 charge rate and warp res for my surge

[mellow crescent]

lol
lmao

Delerik's vid ofc

[grave bobcat]

I was bouutta say

I feel like I've seen this before lol

[runic hornet]

yeah you still get hit sometimes

it's not perfect

I don't like it

[grave bobcat]

Well he ain't movin tbf

[runic hornet]

It encourages playing in a braindead fashion and you still get hit

[grave bobcat]

But that looks so goddamn boring lol

[runic hornet]

i'd rather just dodge around using a mk1 sword

forget boring, it's slow as hell

lots of pushes but you attack so infrequently your dps is shit

[grave bobcat]

Doesn't it like

Cleave everything in front of you though

[runic hornet]

So does a mk1 sword heavy vOv

which won't leave me at 0 stamina and thus unable to sprint fast when I need to reposition

that's what I noticed

[grave bobcat]

hmm, I dunno maybe you can do it faster than in the clip?

[runic hornet]

no, you can't

[grave bobcat]

THey're not hitting weakspots either so

Aiming at dat crotch

[runic hornet]

You cannot actually push "as fast as the pushattack ends"

I think you have to actually begin stamina regen and then you push at like 0.01 stamina

[grave bobcat]

imma check

I've not used it yet

[runic hornet]

but there is a notable delay when you have 0 stamina

versus when you are still using your stamina bar

once you hit 0 stamina your pushattack spam noticeably gets throttled

[grave bobcat]

Huh really?

Dagger has no delay despite stam

[runic hornet]

That's what i noticed

taht or I was fumbling inputs

but I was trying it throughout an entire 30 minute run

[grave bobcat]

lol

Got a good rhythm going on it now for me

[cyan notch]

yea u cant push at absolute 0 stam

[runic hornet]

does it feel like you can go faster when you have stamina?

[grave bobcat]

Not rlly

[cyan notch]

although the regen from 0 is much faster than vt2

[runic hornet]

because it did for me

[grave bobcat]

Wait

with axe or dagger

[runic hornet]

axe

[grave bobcat]

Trying it now

Just equipped

Oh god

I forgot how slow this is

Meh you can just weapon swap it anyway lo

[runic hornet]

yeah, it's acutally pretty slow in practice, isn't it

[grave bobcat]

If you dont wep swap yeah

Otherwise close enough t othe dagger anyways

Let me get that rhythm and I can show

[fallow meadow]

I found this. Never use a dueling sword before, worth using?

[ruby merlin]

I think most people who use dueling swords use the mk v, huge dodge

[cyan echo]

QQ;
Do weakspot hits count as critical hits?