psyker-class

[ebon jolt]

I dislike how some weapons only feel viable at higher difficulties with a specific blessing. But at the same time it does feel rewarding when you find a cool build that works after trying out different blessings.

[devout axle]

There's also Voidstrike kekw

[cold oasis]

Oh, something i gotta ask since i found about it today

[burnt python]

psykinetics aura is isnane team value too

[ornate hamlet]

Im kind of sick of all the surge dickriding because every time I see a surge user in my lobbies theyre objectively helping the least of all my teammates

[burnt python]

vs 2 vets

[ornate hamlet]

Usually a vet deals with any specials before the surge's stun would even matter

[cold oasis]

Are there other weapons with special slide attacks like one of the axes?

[lethal plover]

crowd control = surge
horde clearing in line with some stagger = void strike
horde clearing in wide angles with minimal stagger = purgatus
mix of horde clearing and crowd control = trauma
They really thought about the staves.

[tough pagoda]

Is this one any good?

[mild tartan]

Seems like surge is most significant at highest difficulty?

[frigid sparrow]

I like it

[modest solstice]

we can all agree, Fire is the only staff that matters, because sometimes, all people want is to watch the world burn!

[cold oasis]

Yes, the ability to chain stun and damage elites and just chain stun any firing squad is really a big deal

[vital bough]

I would like to add though, purgatus does have stagger, it's just the lightest form of it.
It'll stunlock unarmored stuff but not anything bigger than a gunner.

[lethal plover]

true

[frigid sparrow]

Insta-killing scab is amazballs

[cold oasis]

Yeah, anything with armor we melt

[wanton dawn]

I thought I was helping with surge but my team usually doesn't take the hint of "Hey I've got this mutant locked down mind shooting it?"

[cold oasis]

But 2 fucking yellow shooters are my god damn nemesis

[wise pecan]

I believe the direct damage does, but the DoT doesn’t

[frigid sparrow]

Psyker has made me really focus on game mechanics. Those damn dregs (the yellowbois) will make you learn how to gap close really quick

[devout axle]

I use primarily Trauma and Purgatus in both Heresy and Damnation. I see a lot of people using Voidstrike as well, and pull their weight just as well. In fact, I'd say Surge players are the least useful when things go poorly, because their CC isn't going to hit the critical targets when their team is getting overwhelmed by a horde.

[vital bough]

BB is at least good for locking on a target, then getting behind cover for a kill without being exposed

[lethal plover]

be careful with that temptation
that way lies gun psyker

[cold oasis]

Oh i just start whining like a baby in discord to my friends to kill them

[frigid sparrow]

Orgryn with a shield giving you mobile cover? Let's go. Get me in range to stun. Dueling sword lunge spam? Let's goooo. Purge staff left click? Lets gooooo. Deflect/Reflect force sword? Lets Fing go boiz.

[cold oasis]

It has a 50% chance to work

[fresh reef]

genuinely why would someone play gun psyker?

[cold oasis]

Boredom?

[frigid sparrow]

Staff left click is hard to aim

[night marten]

Masochism

[vital bough]

Yep, and surge only hits like 5 or 6 targets in a chain, when every other staff has a higher damage spread potential on a horde.

[modest solstice]

here is my experience with trauma staff. oh hey, i unlocked staffs and theres one in the store....trauma sounds cool "uses it for 1 match and replaces it with a gun immediately after until the next type appears"

[cold oasis]

I would say that it's hard to aim because the fucking aim reticle it's so retarded

[lethal plover]

it only starts to matter in damnation, when you have died enough times to trash gunmen
you start to understand you can play the mk 12 lasgun

[cold oasis]

Why it's 4 fucking points

[mild tartan]

lol

[frigid sparrow]

Hordes are stunned by shove, surge is for heavy hitters

[lethal plover]

the feeling I would describe, playing as gun psyker
is that I am an ogryn vet psyker

[cold oasis]

I find myself if i don't pay attention sometimes i start using one of the other 3 points as the aim reticle and keep whiffing

[vital bough]

It's a good thing I'm comparing staffs and not staffs to melee weapons 🤡

[lethal plover]

I am versatile, maybe not the best, but I won't go down so easily against any threats. and surviving is the most important

[brave vale]

Ain’t nothing wrong with gun psyker

[cold oasis]

All i want is a normal Reticle

[fresh reef]

While I get that, is it actually worth giving up something like an infinite ammo flamer when you have brainburst to slowly thin out shooters?

[frigid sparrow]

Staffs are..staffs. You shouldn't be using ranged stuff on hordes unless its nades and flames

[cold oasis]

I would love some special gun talents for Psykers

Like something that gives random Soulfire/BB or some fun stuff

[fresh reef]

Force infused lasgun

[devout axle]

3 of the 4 staves are either Nades or Flamers.

[ornate hamlet]

Do you know the purpose of the voidstrike and trauma staff's right click attacks?

[vital bough]

"You shouldn't be using ranged stuff on hordes"
Dude what? That's literally what purgatus, trauma, and voidforce are for...?? The fuck

[ornate hamlet]

The staves specifically designed for horde clear?

[vital bough]

3 of the 4 staffs are FOR USE ON CROWDS lmao

[modest solstice]

i wish trauma staffs were more like siena staff, where it was a larger AOE with a faster charge up......it costs too much to use, for such a small benefit

[mild tartan]

voidstrike is basically magic grenades

[cold oasis]

They'll probably fix in a while

[lethal plover]

I do understand spamming BB. I love doing that, but you see, in damnation, the gunmen are too many..... You either need a vet or zealot with lasgun, either way someone has to take care of those gunmen. They also spawn randomly (I really dislike this part about enemy spawning) so they could be right behind your ass

[cold oasis]

BB is simply too slow on difficulty 4/5 as Delerik said

[frigid sparrow]

We're talking surge. You shouldn't be using SURGE on hordes. You have melee. You can void strike/trauma hordes if you have a good front line, but you have options.

[cold oasis]

waiting 4+ seconds to kill a single shitter it's too much when they deal 60-100 thoughness each

[mild tartan]

cmon just take the level 30 feat that lets you charge it like 20% faster or something

[cold oasis]

Personally i use my F only to not explode.

[brave vale]

Buff psyker

[fresh reef]

founda heavy laspistol with ghost in the shop, gonna give it a shot

[hot tulip]

BB needs to one shot on heresy

and one shot on damnnation if the perks were better

[fresh reef]

pun fully intended

[vital bough]

Dude WE (Not you at first before you butted in) were talking about ALL the 4 staffs, comparing them to eachother, and your clown-head-ass comes in here and, butts in and says " 🤡 dude the melee is for horde dont use staff on horde"

[cold oasis]

Sometimes you just gotta spam so hard that it happens you implode

[vital bough]

lmfao

[modest solstice]

to be fair, surge is great for hordes, as it locks down certain elites rushing you....sure the void is better at clearing hordes, and the fire can melt the hordes, but surge has its place in horde gameplay

[hot tulip]

Base BB with no perks allocated to it should not One shot in Damnnation

however BB in ofitself needs help

[lethal plover]

hey don't get too personal

it's just a game

[cold oasis]

Surge is great for hordes just for a small reason, Zerkers push so hard that you usually you can ccthem down

[brave vale]

Chances are you have someone on your team to Horde clear, 1-2 people is more than enough surge is relevant during horde to lock down the elites and shit

[vital bough]

Purg staff actually does cc them with RMB

[cold oasis]

left click, not right

[frigid sparrow]

And I was responding to the point of "Well surge isn't great against hordes". No shit, it's not for that.

[unkempt juniper]

met an ogryn who called himself 'ephebophile' earlier today and i just started screaming into the mic about how he deserves to die and i will be the person to make that happen

[cold oasis]

But still, it's not really great on 5 due to being useless against firing squads

[frigid sparrow]

But hey, lets resort to insults and whatnot.

[lethal plover]

what

ok that's too spicy to get into

ToS

[unkempt juniper]

fair

[mild tartan]

cringe on all sides

[unkempt juniper]

no delerik is right too spicy for discord tos

shouldn't have mentioned it

[modest solstice]

for me, staff choice tells alot about a player, Surge and trauma are more support/team players, able to lock down and knock around enemies with ease while void and fire are all about being DPS gremlins, the best support is killing the enemies before they become a threat!

[shell ferry]

So what does surge staff do. Just stagger enemies in front of you?

It seems quite... weak

[hot tulip]

and we don't even do that properly on damnnation

i cri

[brave vale]

It is weak, it’s just utility

[unkempt juniper]

its good in higher difficulties, and the damage it does is good vs armored

[vital bough]

Good against armor like Ogryn, good for locking 5 or 6 targets down every RMB

[cold oasis]

It still oneshot armored gunners

[night marten]

damage wise it is, though it does punch through crusher and bulwark armor well

[cold oasis]

The surge deals excellent damage on Armored enemies (any armor)

[shell ferry]

I noticed it kills soldiers way before zombies which is odd

[frigid sparrow]

Its a chain lightning attack that you can cancel to front load the damage. It does great damaged against armored stuff. You CC heavy hitters to stun em. Let your team DPS em down or lets you gap close.

[cold oasis]

But it's dogshit against unarmored enemies

[vital bough]

Surge is best CC staff, not the best damage.

[cold oasis]

But at least, against unarmored you stun them so it's easier for you team to kill them

[dusky smelt]

yall wanna see a tragedy?

[wanton dawn]

Surge with decent damage can stun/kill squads of shooters pretty effectively too. Not as quickly as veteran, but not too bad either.

[modest solstice]

surge staff deals less damage, but it can stop dogs from charging, and since alot of heavy armor enemies take more damage from electric (aka crusher), it makes them great

[frigid sparrow]

It's bonus damage against armored because they're..wearing metal.

[frigid sparrow]

I think its a neat touch lol

[hot tulip]

its basically chain CC fire and forget

It has a lot of useful properties like getting your allies unpinned, holding specials to an area, area denial, bonus damage/one hitting scabs (armored traitors)

also it really does highlight enemies if you have a hard time seeing them lol

[tranquil fiber]

[cold oasis]

It's like 500 damage on armored enemies

It's a lot of damage

[hot tulip]

because the chain ends up arcing to places you didn't even know a bad guy was there

[brave vale]

Surge staff is OKAY at best, but still shit

[tranquil fiber]

Surge staff is not for dps.

its for CC.

[hot tulip]

yeah surge is basically support central gameplay

[brave vale]

Considering that’s our strongest setup, compare that to what other classes can do

[vital bough]

Surge staff is best CC in the game. If you're playing support Psyker you should probably take it.

[brave vale]

Its shit

[lethal plover]

well, what are you trying to compare the damage to? Because if you're comparing to bolters, then yeah

[hot tulip]

yup, the state of Psyker rn

[unkempt juniper]

yeah if you don't like doing damage surge is ok, but if you like to actually kill heretics use voidstrike

[dusky smelt]

surge is very good in fact its litterally the only reason to bring psyker on higher diffs

[modest solstice]

surge is the CC master....and it doesnt shine until you realize, it deals an insane amount of damage to any enemy wearing metal armor!

[unkempt juniper]

surge is NOT the strongest setup.

[nocturne current]

I have been favoring surge

[cold oasis]

I think people don't realize that when they keep saying it does no damage

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrike is.

[hot tulip]

its just weird how devs have painted the class fantasy to be around this specialist, efficent killer over the other 3 classes and im like

[fresh reef]

conclusion: I hate gun psyker

[hot tulip]

....yeahhh what?

[brave vale]

It ain’t, surge is infinitely more important at t4*

[hot tulip]

we aren't anything like that rn in damnnation

[unkempt juniper]

i use void exclusively in damnation

[vital bough]

Voidestrike for instance can canonball through an entire horde's heads, kill 10, then still hit an elite in the back for 250 or more.
The amount of overall damage it can apply and the speed of it, is much faster. But Voidstrike has shit CC.

[hot tulip]

we're a stunbot support in damnnation lol

[unkempt juniper]

nope.

[lethal plover]

"hey guys, check out my cool DPS bolter"
" help the dog is on me"

[night marten]

visit melks shop, see this

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrikes damage is too good to pass up.

[night marten]

click on it, then

[nocturne current]

That is how I have been playing just stunning as many as I can so the Zealots can take everything out

[night marten]

scam.

[lethal plover]

people who think DPS is the whole story don't understand very well
positioning, control, surviving, clutching
no amount of DPS in the world will save you if the dog is on you

[mild tartan]

totally worth 2300\

[hot tulip]

surge makes damnnation feel a lot better and smoother tbh, especially if you are coordinating pretty decently

the area denial is insane

and CC

[brave vale]

Holy fucking shit.

I didnt realize it showd modifiers at the top right

[night marten]

it's literally a noob trap

[brave vale]

I've been using a calculator

to add that shit up

[nocturne current]

all my guys are weak at pure DPS but are positioned when they need to be

[brave vale]

Oh my god.

[night marten]

jesus man

[opaque temple]

the amount of times I have lost warp charges because the blind ass veteran shot my target makes me mad

[nocturne current]

unfortunately I also die a lot

[unkempt juniper]

just shoot the dog with a void charge attack, it has a huge hitbox and will knock it down

[vital bough]

I mean you can literally sidestep dogs and mutants and the like, or just melee bash them out of the sky as they jump at you.
I'm not trying to argue one staff over the other man, I enjoy the Surge staff more even, because I like the CC.
But it's a literal fact that Voidstrike just does more damage, and you're trying to make up reasons why it's shit like it's a personal matter lol

[nocturne current]

surge is great against dogs

[night marten]

at least now you know

[modest solstice]

as a person who usually mains ogryn, im the one who stands in doorway, eating doritos, while i block....and in t4 content, the most popular staff i see spewing out damage from behind me is fire and electric

[nocturne current]

that stun keeps the dog still long enough to kill it

[high agate]

Talking about CC like its relevant is like when people thought ‘tank bardin’ was meta

[mild tartan]

dog runs at me >blast voidstrike bolt at his face >instant Bb

very satisfying when it happens

[ebon jolt]

What is the base increase for crit damage? Is there some generic multiplier that is applied to most weapons? 30-50%

[nocturne current]

I need to try fire

[opaque temple]

they have a sixth sense for finding and shooting the same enemy I'm about to brain burst

[night marten]

I know it's doable, but generally recommend trying to hit or push dogs, their hitbox is too damn enormous for reliable dodging imo

[opaque temple]

it's obnoxious

[hot tulip]

its sad because surge CC is basically the only thing that keeps us in the running for Damnnation so

[dusky smelt]

they think the glowing blue is a target

[hot tulip]

dunno whre ur coming from

[gray kelp]

crit bonus a dump stat on surge? got a white one with around 80% on everything but it has like 30% crit bonus not sure if worth wasting mats upgrading it

[unkempt juniper]

its litterally not tho

[brave vale]

i agree

[cold oasis]

The thing is, helping 3 other people with shitty CC enmies it's better than dealing a touch more damage.

[vital bough]

Yes. Dogs, poxbombers, Ogryn's, Zerkers, trappers, all the bigger issues that present themselves as elites, the Surge staff is great for locking down and killing.

[opaque temple]

"oh you're trying to charge your abilities? fuck you, psyker."

[unkempt juniper]

a good voidstrike charged hit still 1hkos every horde enemy w/o armor it hits in damnation

[hot tulip]

you can make an argument for purge or void, thats fine

But our class is gimped for damnnation when every other class can do our job but better

except mass surge CC lol

[dusky smelt]

but it feels bad to be a cc bot

[hot tulip]

our traits are garbage

our BB is garbage

[cold oasis]

I mean, let's be real, when are hordes EVER a problem?

[opaque temple]

every single karking time.

[night marten]

constantly in pub games

[mild tartan]

interrupting visual field is probably the worst lol

[grave bobcat]

Beat me to this lol

[unkempt juniper]

when theres 4 armored ragers, 3 bulwarks and a crusher running in with them and a group of ranged behind it

[gray island]

Thought on Curio setup: 1 wound 2 20% toughness, preferended perks are toughness damage resist > toughness regen > revive speed/corruption resist

[brave vale]

right so in that situation, a surge would be better

not void

[vital bough]

Mostly on veteran stacked teams with no ogryn or preacher

[cold oasis]

OH! And Voidstrike has a big downside, it give fucking seizures to whoever is melee

[unkempt juniper]

fact: voidstrike still staggers ragers

[nocturne current]

ranged hordes are usually a problem

[cold oasis]

Then a Surge is still better.

[lethal plover]

I don't think I disagree with your opinion.
What I mean to say is that to win the game, it demands a lot of factors.
Why is the dog on someone? It's just a very silly but obvious example where DPS doesn't help.
Because someone failed to clear the horde. Because someone failed to take care of bomber dividing the team. Because some other roles weren't being done well.
I will take ogryns over vets any day in damnation to be honest. Because those ogryns, let me tell you, they tend to never go down, and that means we just win, even without bolter DPS.

[gray kelp]

hordes by themselves arent a problem but they are a distraction that enables specials/elites to fuck over your team if nobody has a good way to deal with them

[brave vale]

does it stagger 2-3 ogryns at once tho

[hot tulip]

ironically surge would be better because you dont have to wait too long for cast time

[worthy wasp]

Well shit

[unkempt juniper]

good luck actually targetting a rager in a horde

[cold oasis]

The Surge? yes

[nocturne current]

one the best things i like about Surge is hitting enemies I can't see

[unkempt juniper]

especially 4 of them

[hot tulip]

so again yeah surge on damnnation is keeping us relevant, and only surge

which is sad

BUFF PSYKER

[unkempt juniper]

it's genuinely not

[cold oasis]

The ragers push harder than normal enemies, so they ALWAYS become the first in a hord

[worthy wasp]

say youre bad without saying youre bad

[unkempt juniper]

you are wrong and too cocky to see it\

[ebon jolt]

Toughness regen only applies to the basic regen provided after not getting hit, right?

[lethal plover]

every threat is an attention tax
alone, the tax isn't much
combined, that's when they become a problem

[opaque temple]

people thought BB was op in the beta because they only played sedition and saw the raw damage and cried "PSYKER OP PLS NERF"
completely forgetting the fact that their abilities scale with their weapon damage where ours DO NOT

BB did not need a nerf based on a few days of gameplay from a fucking BETA.

[vital bough]

THESE KARKING VETS, RUINING MY KARKING RUN, DYING OFF BY THEM KARKING SELVES, SHOOT MY KARKING BB TARGETS >:(

Every time

[hot tulip]

it is, like take a look at your talents and apply it to damnnation- about 70 percent of our talents/perks revolve around BB, which that also needs help rn

[brave vale]

You literally just explained the situation in exactly why surge would be better

[gray island]

i believe it works with coherency regen. which should be constant anyway

[cold oasis]

Let's not talk about Talents

They are utter shit and need to be changed

like 90% of em.

[opaque temple]

every non-psyker in the beta got us nerfed because of the raw damage of BB

[nocturne current]

i have brain burst several dogs in various states of attack but I can't get that penance.

[ebon jolt]

Wouldn’t more toughness be better so you get more regen from your regen feat?

[brave vale]

The problem with Hordes isnt the hordes, its the ogryns and shit after it and in that situation its infinitely more useful to be able to CC them, deal with the horde and present openings to kill the ogryns

[hot tulip]

Meanwhile zealot gets a free steroid for existing, Ogyrns get toughness and coherency bonuses, and Vet is just boring af because its too OP

[lethal plover]

I know there's the meme but I actually like it when a vet kills a special faster than me
that means we have a vet who is paying sharp attention, and I like that

[fresh reef]

gun psyker is absolute cheeks and I have no idea how this is enjoyable to anybody

[hot tulip]

psyker got shafted

[opaque temple]

it didn't need nerfing, it was OP on sedition difficulty
BUT EVERYTHING WAS BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING SEDITION DIFFICULTY.

[cold oasis]

They need to be jumping to eat you/teammate

[unkempt juniper]

so is it better to kill the horde in that situation or to stun the big guys while the horde still runs at you?
lets also not forget about the group of ranged units i brought up in my example, good luck hitting the backline with surge

[hot tulip]

psyker got the literal shortest end of the stick lol

[worthy wasp]

Talents are shit, but Psyker is still strong.

If you think Psyker isnt strong, youre just bad at the game

[nocturne current]

so lots of timing variables

[hot tulip]

doesnt matter anyways since Psyker is bound to get buffs

cause he needs it

[gray island]

yeah thats why thew main stat is toughness, the secondary rolls can be max 5% toughness per perk, where regen speed is 6-12% each

[worthy wasp]

Psyker is arguably strongest class in game right now

[cold oasis]

THE FUCK

[modest solstice]

im just gonna say it and then im off to play, Void staff is better for damage, it "CAN" stun enemies but its limited in that potential, Surge staff has less damage, but when it comes to stunning enemies, there is no better staff to be using, Void has its uses, Surge has its uses, neither is better, neither is worse, they both do what they do

[nocturne current]

dang because its hard enough to brain burst before someone else kills it as is

[vital bough]

Yeah I agree, and then all I have to worry about BB'ing is the super far backline like snipers, bombers, or maybe some dogs when they pop up and I have a BB RMB charged. Lets me actually CC and keep everybody alive more.

[brave vale]

its better to stun the big guys when your team is better at killing hordes than you and stagger them, you're nullifying the threat of ogryns and bulwarks and isolating the problem to just hte horde, which as you said, is never the real issue

[hot tulip]

he's strong in one department only, and no other class will outshine him on this:

surge staff/CC/Area denial

everything else, everyone else does but better

[safe mountain]

Shotgunners just taking full toughness and 25% of your health from insane distances is ridiculous. Also they for some reason ignore deflector

[hot tulip]

on damnnation ofc

[lethal plover]

how things changed so quickly in 20 minutes in this channel

[gray kelp]

psyker can be good but I really would struggle to defend the opinion that it's the strongest

[unkempt juniper]

lol

[leaden needle]

not rly sure how u can call psykers weak with force blocking being a thing

[opaque temple]

we got nerfed because of the other classes playing the beta who had short sight and couldn't wait to complain about psyker's raw damage

we got nerfed based on absolutely fucking nothing

[worthy wasp]

there is some serious shitters that play this game

[vital bough]

Ogryn strongest, Ogryn be biggest.

[unkempt juniper]

peril block with deflection is geniunely broken strong, so is voidstrike

[cold oasis]

(I hate how Ogryn are shit on 5 tho)

[hot tulip]

yeah the fact that

psyker got nerfed in the beta despite the speedrunners for damnnation being vets and zealots surprised me

during beta lol

[gray kelp]

deflection is really good but voidstrike is not broken in any way, its pretty balanced

[hot tulip]

like what

[cold oasis]

You're just playing an even shittier Zealot 😦

[opaque temple]

the veterans saw how easy it was for psykers to kill a plague ogryn in the beta and they were like "THAT NO FAIR ME WANT DAMAGE NERF PSYKER"

[opaque temple]

zealot has no CC

[worthy wasp]

Ahh yes, speedrunning is the metric in which all games should judge balance. 11/10 take

[hot tulip]

🤷‍♂️

[cold oasis]

Nades.

[remote fox]

am I lucky or what?

[gray island]

their gernade???

[cold oasis]

that's fucking great

[opaque temple]

yeah, three grenades?

lmfao

[burnt python]

also cc doesn't matter when shit is dead

[hot tulip]

this is damnnation, the upmost final difficulty in the game? Whats your real take on this?

[unkempt juniper]

i am now convinced:

if you can only use surge in damnation, it is a skill issue, not a balance issue

[cold oasis]

Compared to what? Throw yourself into enemies and die?

[wise pecan]

“Brain burst is boring”
bases entire feat tree around brain burst/associated warp charges
nerfs brain burst

[opaque temple]

dps doesn't matter when you're surrounded by specials

[gray island]

solid surge, charge rate is pointless

[mild tartan]

For some reason psyker reminds me of playing with an insect glaive build in monster hunter lol

[tepid nest]

Above average maybe, that's anywhere near great though.

[cold oasis]

I loved my Ogryn to level 30, but every game in Damnation was more frustrating than the other

[worthy wasp]

ye, been playing a ton of damnation since launch as Psyker. Nothing special. You having a problem?

[cold oasis]

You just had to play like a Veteran with terrible weapon

[cyan notch]

ig sucks lmao

[brave vale]

imagine if the staff special attacks weren't just a melee hit

[lethal plover]

I cleared with me trauma and other purgatus.
2 effing psykers
if you can't, well that's your skill issue

[brave vale]

Has anyone ever used the fucking melee hit on a staff

[vital bough]

Not to burst your bubble, but it's a t1 perk, and the base stats barely hit 300 item level on its own.

Try to look for greys with a base i-lvl of 350ish, or close to it if you can, then level those up.

[brave vale]

when u can just swap weapons

[mild tartan]

But its so fun. Maybe thats why lol

[unkempt juniper]

i want them to be a force sword push

[opaque temple]

BB did not need to be nerfed just because it was good on Sedition difficulty
most people don't know what scaling is IG.

[hot tulip]

Yeah, its falsely spreading the fact that psyker is strong despite him literally having an identity issue and non-relevancy in the higher ends of the game?

His surge staff has more identity than the actual class lmao

[gray island]

staff melee is meme melee. its like ogren slap

[high agate]

Yeah i can also slog though damn with a shovel and laspistol. But theyre still dogshit weapons

[hot tulip]

wake up bro

[tepid nest]

Scaling damage would be cool.

[cold oasis]

I disagree, the charge rate on that staff is pretty useless

[worthy wasp]

nah, a bunch of people are just shit at the game

[burnt python]

ahh back at it i see

[opaque temple]

it should be % based per individual enemy type if anything

[gray kelp]

guys I don't think "can clear damnation" means psyker stuff is particularly strong. Damnation arguably easier than cata, it just feels harder/more inconsistent because average quality of player in quick play is really low

[lethal plover]

ok maybe that's too mean-spirited, I'm not even that great of a gamer. Not like chocob or j_sat. But it means if an average gamer like me can clear damnation endless with trauma, why can't you?

[worthy wasp]

youre shit, and bunch of others are shit. Its cool

[cold oasis]

I mean, if i had to have a shit stat like that, i would take Charge Time every time on Surge

[wise pecan]

For comedic effect, yes. To actually be effective, no

[brave vale]

someone suggested that i swap out terrifying barrage for the quell on hit, worth?

[cyan notch]

the poke is actually so slow

[hot tulip]

i see, nothing else substantial to add, typical throw shit and run nice nice

moving on

[worthy wasp]

I can add

[vital bough]

Yeah... I'm saying it's not that great of a staff. There's an effective way to get generally high stats and it's just finding greys in the shop at lvl 30.

[unkempt juniper]

if it was a voidstrike it would, but i don't think lightning staffs hit heads

[opaque temple]

psyker gameplay would feel much more accessible if BB didn't get nerfed into the fucking pavement

[wise pecan]

The staff special has such a long wind up I’m pretty sure you could actually switch to your melee and be faster

[worthy wasp]

1 moment, will drop actual knowledge instead of typical "omg bb weak class nerfed what we gonna do ahhhhh"

[cold oasis]

"effective"

[burnt python]

bb is good in damnation and all you not using it are crippling yourself

[hot tulip]

if you say, take the BB talent at 30

ima lol

[lethal plover]

the person who has nothing other than
"I can only use surge" and "psyker is bad"
is saying others have nothing substantial to add.
Truly life is so rich in the world where black is white

[gray island]

quell on hit doesn't exist as a blessing for surge staff

[cold oasis]

Whoops wrong reply, still

I like Focused channeling

[brave vale]

oh shit, my bad he said warp nexus and i got it mixed up with on quell on hit

[vital bough]

You understand what I'm trying to say though, right? The base stats of grey's in the shop are usually higher than the blue or green options. That's all I'm trying to tell the guy

[opaque temple]

focused channeling should be basekit for every psyker staff IMO

[frigid sparrow]

How does suppress work on melee units anyways?

[worthy wasp]

ye bunch of youngsters in here trying to tell us theyre not shit, its just the class

[burnt python]

https://imgflip.com/i/73nhjq

[lethal plover]

other people are the ones actively contributing to new meta and ideas, like trauma or guns
and the person who just "surge surge surge" is the one complaining about others having nothing to add

[opaque temple]

psyker is not shit, psyker is CC king
it's just their raw damage is very much lacking

[cold oasis]

yeah yeah, it's just that it's so rare finding a weapon with good rolls where the lowest is charge speed that i'll take that

[tepid nest]

Leg collecting is fun.

[cyan notch]

when they buff trauma outer radius damage and cast range its gonna be pretty good

[worthy wasp]

meanwhile psyker gets/gives 10% elite damage just for existing

lol

wtf are yall smoking

[brave vale]

THere is nothing to add because we can't actively change the game. Bringing attention to it might actually get us buffed

[hot tulip]

bruh we literally have been testing and giving ideas here for like the past week

And you come here and say gunpsykering in Damnnation is balanced and viable lol

[burnt python]

also the disgustingly good psykinetic's aura

[cold oasis]

As far as i know, it doesn't

[tough pagoda]

This staff worth upgrading?

[lethal plover]

fix you mean. trauma damage is dealing way less than currently indicated in inspect, unlike surge or void

[hot tulip]

just play vet lol

[gray kelp]

this chat amounts to nerds pisstaking and misrepresenting each other with oneliners and wojacks rather than having an actual conversation lol

[gray island]

honestly couldn't tell you

[vital bough]

Yes

[hearty dagger]

Personal headcanon: Perils explosion is less exploding from warp overload and more warp energy equivalent of a tracheotomy to avoid posession

[opaque temple]

people only think psyker is weak because newbies always prefer raw damage so they don't need to THINK about their gameplay.

[unkempt juniper]

you can't change the game but you can change how you play and find other effective setups.

like autopistol gunpsyker or voidstrike.

[worn canopy]

Flame fwoosh

[lethal plover]

I'm not even the main guy advocating for gun psykering btw
that's alek, I'm just trying it out and seeing it for myself

[hot tulip]

I think BB should naturally create an explosion around the target of 2m and apply soulblaze naturally instead of it being a pickable perk

soulblaze is so trash

[dusky smelt]

i thought peril explosion was the collar on our neck zapping us before we summon daemons

[cold oasis]

stop trolling è_è

[hot tulip]

like what

[tepid nest]

I can't believe that you've attacked the moral integrity of this chat.

[tough pagoda]

i'm not

[wise pecan]

I definitely think BB needs a rework/significant buff, because its best use right now is as a laser pointer for your vet on higher difficulties, but the staff balance largely seems fine. I still don’t understand gun psykering though, at that point you’re just playing a vet with dementia

[lethal plover]

you know, the concept of trying things out
Again, most of us are open-minded. except a few people

[opaque temple]

the talents are so useless

[cold oasis]

it's a fucking 380! upgrade that shit

[worthy wasp]

aight

[hot tulip]

now you are trolling, because you and I literally had a back and forth about this lol

[unkempt juniper]

i've been using gunpsyker for a bit when voidstrike feels boring or it doesn't fit with the team, autopistol and recon mkVId are the best options

[tough pagoda]

yea but people say the sprint is trash

[fast slate]

how do yall feel about revolver build?

[burnt python]

mg XII >>>

[hot tulip]

EXACTLY- And 70 percent of them revolve around an ability that is just too grating to use on damnnation- It doesn't even one shot

thats what im tryina say

[tough pagoda]

no?

[unkempt juniper]

no you want the torrent one

[hot tulip]

the class is gimped in general for damnnation

[hearty dagger]

Could be, though explosion's blue so i think it's an emergency vent

[lethal plover]

you can follow alek's reasoning from here
#psyker-class message

[burnt python]

mg IV is good too but my fingers do not like

[unkempt juniper]

actually, does mkVII have pierce?

[hot tulip]

Fine, I'll take a look

[brave vale]

The main point of people complaining about surge staff being the only high level setup is wanting more effective setups. The reason why there is a reaction to saying that it's not the only high level setup sounds like it's saying that psykers are good where they're at

[burnt python]

MG XII 1 shot body shots scab gunners w/ 20% flak dmg perk

[opaque temple]

the psykers are soulbound so it's probably a bitch slap from the emperor

[supple skiff]

Hopping next week we see some tweaks

[gray island]

I would upgrade it yes, you'll be abler to reroll the sprint efficient like next week. and the only usefull blessing is warp nexus

[slate cedar]

Oooo, two runs that crashed and denied my xp. I'd probably be level 15 on my psyker now. I am annoyed.

[tough pagoda]

I only ask because I hear some people say sprint is trash

[burnt python]

MG XII also supresses much better than other las

[shell ferry]

Thank you, brethren for clarifying. Also does anyone remember when flamethrower staff unlocks?

[hot tulip]

like also what the F- What am I really supposed to do with the soulblaze on BB? It does like no DoT other than highlighting alive mobs around the special lol

[burnt python]

you'll be able to reroll that sprint perk next week

[hot tulip]

What a shit talent

[tough pagoda]

ah ok, didn't know we would re roll perks too

[cold oasis]

I mean it ain't great, but the chance of finding another close to that amount of stat is simpossible

[lethal plover]

there is an argument to be made
what really quantifies the efficiency of a build, like gun psyker
like what would it take you to be convinced, that it's efficient on damnation?

[unkempt juniper]

it truly isn't the only high level setup though, in fact it's not even the highest level setup

Again, i remain convinced:

if you think surge is the only/most viable staff in damnation, it is a skill issue, not balance issue

[vital bough]

It can be, but soon you'll be able to reroll those perks. Higher ILVL is more important imo.

[hearty dagger]

Level 20, 25 something, couls also be 28. Been a while since i got it so idk

[gray island]

yeah you can roll1 slot unlimited times

[burnt python]

gun is psykers best option for dealing with gunner chaff which are teh most dangerous enemies on high difficulty

[gray island]

BB

[unkempt juniper]

followed up by voidstrike

[brave vale]

Its not even close to what you provide with surge

[burnt python]

too many

[frank moat]

Don't normally run Force Swords but Melk had this just now and felt I'd regret not copping my first 380,

[slate cedar]

I hope I just got a crappy roll, because my palpatine staff felt very miserably poor. I'm only level 13 but still.

[hot tulip]

I want perks/talents that actually synergize with me using a damn gun

The only two things that do that are the 4 percent warp stack on kill and Kinetic flayer

everything else belongs to a certain playstyle revolving around psykinetic abilities/force attacks

[burnt python]

agreed, gun just does it better

[vital bough]

...Several people are typing...

[tough pagoda]

so would I want warp nexus or a better perk on it?

[unkempt juniper]

agreed.

[gray island]

you have a 1 in 4 chance to get warp nexus when upgrading to orange

[hot tulip]

but also delerik at that point, if we do get more perks to using a gun

[lethal plover]

but that's not the question.
The question is, what would make you believe gun psyker is efficient on damnation? How about the speed of clearing?

[hot tulip]

just

play

vet

[unkempt juniper]

but void has more utility for stuff like staggering dogs/trappers and dealing with hordes than the good gunpsyker options.

[tough pagoda]

ah, right

[unkempt juniper]

while still doing good against ranged

[hot tulip]

just play vet if you wanna use a gun, his whole kit revolves around it

literally

[burnt python]

there are legit reasons to play gun psyker over vet, which i have stated over and over, you just choose to pretend you cant read

[gray island]

i would upgrade it and see what you get then work from there

[hearty dagger]

Mainly because it only does strong damage on flak or carapace. Most people just spam uncharged secondary fire since it staggers a lot of things tho

[unkempt juniper]

@hot tulip is coping hard that he is wrong

[lethal plover]

you're not answering the question as to what would finally convince you
you're just saying you will never be convinced, is that correct?

[unkempt juniper]

psyker does not need a buff, brain burst needs a buff
and soulblaze too.

[lethal plover]

would the speed of clearing be a good enough metric?

[slate cedar]

And 4 and 5 is where lots of that is, I guess. So yeah, makes sense I'm going "this feels awful and unfun" on lower difficulties.

[inland flume]

So apparently the devs decided we don't need more than one (1) type of unique melee weapon?

[hot tulip]

Are you strawmanning me

I will be convinced when Psyker finally gets buffs to the point where he wont have to use surge as a crutch to maintain relevancy in damnnation

[unkempt juniper]

he doesn't

[hot tulip]

and then I will retest gunpsyker

[burnt python]

he doesn't!

[hearty dagger]

Also, don't you guys love it when a surger palpatines a burster you pushed, which prevents the explosion, keeping it alive for longer?

[inland flume]

I know people like to meme about Fatshark hating wizards, but I'm starting to actually take it seriously

[burnt python]

you are so fuckign stubborn lmao

[lethal plover]

I am not talking about the game in the future.
I'm talking about the game right now, what would convince you that gun psyker build is viable or efficient?

[hot tulip]

theres reasons to play gunpsyker, im not telling you what you can and cant play

Just know its not effecient and your sandbagging

[lethal plover]

would being able to clear it faster than you playing surge, be a good enough metric?

[unkempt juniper]

surge mains coping hard that their self-ordained 'best meta setup' isn't the actually the best

[hot tulip]

dont make a point saying its balanced and viable because it isnt

[fresh reef]

worth keeping around for when crafting is fully implemented?

[gray kelp]

going about it the wrong way - psyker isn't necessarily irrelevant in damnation without surge, but surge is a unique utility that other classes can't mimic

[lethal plover]

efficient right? So speed of clearing? @hot tulip

[hot tulip]

at least not rn

[burnt python]

strong argument

im convinced

[dusky smelt]

how is gunpsyker bettern than another vet?

[burnt python]

he said "it isn't"

[unkempt juniper]

why is it not?

[gray kelp]

voidstrike/purge are still strong options in damnation for instance, even though their roles have overlap with what other classes can do

[agile island]

if you cant find a better roll, yeah. If something better comes up, grab that though

[lethal plover]

Because if you want speed of clearing as a determinant for efficiency, you do have evidence for it

[burnt python]

psykinetic aura is very strong and allows your vet to have 100% ult uptime, elite dmg bonus aura as well, and bb is good in niche cases

[gray island]

make it orange you probably wont even need to wortry about crafting on it

[hot tulip]

bruh i literally made a point earlier about using guns, scroll up

about 89 percent of our talent line revolves around FORCE ATTACKS/ABILTIES, not guns

[unkempt juniper]

why is dealing with groups of ranged enemies, the biggest threat in damnation, not a good setup?

[hot tulip]

thats why @unkempt juniper

[burnt python]

psyker also best leverages the mk V axe out of any class and that wep is currently overtuned

[hot tulip]

play a damn vet if you are gonna use guns

[mild tartan]

buff psykers isn't saying the psyker is USELESS in damnation, I think he's just saying there is no reason in terms of balance to use it over another class if you're trying to be really efficient

[gray kelp]

gunspyker meme even works in damnation because damnation just isnt hard enough to actually require minmaxing if you're in a half competant group lol

[tough pagoda]

my new staff

[fresh reef]

yeah but run n gun is total waste of a blessing slot

[mild tartan]

I would like to see buffs across the board personally but that's obvious lol

[hot tulip]

yeah exactly, these guys coming at me have smol brains like what

[tough pagoda]

need another 150 to make it orange

[hot tulip]

yall dont understand

[heavy zealot]

is the force sword supposed to grant a stakc of bb? the enemies die as if you brain bursted them

[tough pagoda]

is ranged weak spot any good dmg on that?

[hot tulip]

our class is designed FOR force attacks and abilties

AND we dont even do that right, right now lol

its sad

[lethal plover]

ok, we have established that this person neither cares about efficiency nor speed of clearing
Just a feeling of "I don't like it"

[slate cedar]

I wish headpopping did more damage on higher levels or did a debuff. The charge is given anyway when the target dies and stuff. Right now it feels like you're fighting veteran for elite kills.

[unkempt juniper]

would be a nice feature, but no, it doesn't.

[burnt python]

everyone else = small brain, me = big brain, ya'll don't understand

[gray island]

i mean 4 or the 5 blessing are wastes imo. warp nexus is only usefull blessing

[worthy wasp]

1. Psykinetic Psyker can use peril to block which allows them to pull off clutch revives/control hordes via push attacks without sacrificing the ability to block. Combined with Deflector, them and Ogryn are the only 2 classes in game capable of blocking gunshots.

2. Psykinetic Psyker also has arguable the best toughness regen in the game due to being able to generate toughness on demand by generating peril then quelling it using the Quietitude perk which converts 10% peril into 5% toughness. This combined with Kinetic Deflector allows them to tank bosses infinitely and pull+tank Daemonhosts.

3. BB isn't the best skill ever, but it does 1 shot Snipers/Bombers from across the map+Stagger Ogryn and doesn't require you to have LoS once you are able to lock on making it incredibly safe to use in tight spots.

4. Using the aforementioned combination of abilities, you achieve what is arguably the tankiest class in the game and are effective at sniping specials (although not as effective as vet) while also being able to deal with hordes. You can then choose your staff+melee to then specialize in any given role. Void Staff is incredibly good at clearing hordes, Purg is strong there as well, while Surge gives awesome CC. Antax MKV + any other melee with strong push attacks can spam their push attacks and still be able to block due to being able to use peril to block. This makes the class incredibly survivable, adaptable, and strong at supporting the team through CC/revives and even damage due to warp charges (+12-18% damage) and coherency (+10% elite damage to self and everyone else)

[hot tulip]

yall are forgetting the most fundamental thing about this game, is the class design lol

And the class design for Psyker on damnnation does not support Gunpsykering the way yall are making it out to be lol

[agile island]

Not interrupting on the secondary attack is pretty good for flame staff imo

[slate cedar]

Sure but toughness doesn't work how it's supposed to (as per tutorial) either so (shrug)

[gray island]

and even then the crit procs on it aren't that usefully for anything outside the final tick from the surge charge

[robust meteor]

i got eff'd mates

[mild tartan]

lmao

[split elm]

Rip

[worthy wasp]

so ye, just told yall why youre a bunch of shitters and what makes psykers uniquely strong in damn

[hot tulip]

look at our talent line yall

about most of that is for force abilties, not guns

you would do better as a vet since he as talents FOR guns, simple as

[left mirage]

the fuck

[lethal plover]

if it's about something we can test
like speed of clearing of efficiency
then we have a means to determine how good a build is. In fact that should be the means.
But if it's about "psyker shouldn't be like that" , " we are not designed for it", then that's just feelings which we can never resolve

[left mirage]

sprinting alt fire

[hearty dagger]

Honestly i kinda see Psyker as a veresatile role rather than a specialist. KD+Deflector can res in most conditions and tank similarly to an Ogryn, the staffs are good for hordeclear and CC without using any team resources, and guns are basically a comfort pick. Imo Psyker's role is being a little bit of everything with elite stun/snipe capability with BB.

[agile island]

yeah you cant sprint on alt fire lmao

[gray island]

its solid, i'd push to orange. the weak spot should pair with warp nexus if i remember correctly

[gray kelp]

this sums up to "kinetic deflection is op and the staves are pretty good too", but I don't think it qualifies psyker as strongest class overall when for instance vet makes taking out shooters/specials trivial

[left mirage]

worthless

[vital bough]

Thank god you'll be able to reroll the blessing

[robust meteor]

run n gun should be like that on stavaes and it would be dope

[left mirage]

i wanted to roleplay as a roided out flamer

[fresh reef]

lmfao

[gray island]

is barrage not usefull on purge?

[agile island]

at least its the least worthless on flame, still worthless though

[gray kelp]

you dont need to clutch to begin with if you take out problems proactively which is something to consider

[left mirage]

was talking about run and gun

[agile island]

since flame primary staggers like a mofo

[wise pecan]

I wouldn’t go so far as to say gunpsykering is sandbagging, because I’m sure it can be effective, but I have to ask: why would you play psyker in the first place if you want to shoot people? Just play vet. Vet is the better “shoot dudes” experience.

[frank moat]

it's axes n autoguns all the way down

[left mirage]

also i have no idea if the alt fire dot counts for close ranged ills

[mild tartan]

Access to the force sword seems to be the main thing people reference

[left mirage]

so if the dot gets them, does it still proc terrifying?

[lethal plover]

oh hey you could be writing a guide

[mild tartan]

I don't even use one so not sure how viable it really is

[unkempt juniper]

because psyker is more versatile and has options for any situation

[agile island]

I'd imagine if you are close to them when the dot kills, ye

[wise pecan]

This is a fair argument, vet cannot Jedi-block bullets

[austere burrow]

Gun psyker seems fine

[gray island]

honestly couldn't tell you hard to see it in action in meat grinder to test

[slate cedar]

It's one of the signature weapons for psykers in the setting, much less the game. It's hardly a shock people want to use the psyker stuff on the psyker

[left mirage]

does quietude work with passive quelling like with non-force weps

[austere burrow]

I'll try it out if I roll a good xii

[left mirage]

because i always assumed you had to actively quell

[agile island]

any quelling

its great

[left mirage]

oh fuck

[gray kelp]

playing devil's advocate kinetic deflection would likely be the main factor, but then again other classes are innately more tanky and are more efficient at kiling stuff with guns, which means less stuff left over to clutch

[left mirage]

ive been using warp charge

[burnt python]

yes it's a very strong combo w/ non-force melee

[gray island]

Feels bad

[unkempt juniper]

unfourtunately, it does not work like that.

[left mirage]

what

[agile island]

I've ran devils claw to have fast quell. Sucks I cant use it as a weapon, but its fun to just sit in a horde

[lethal plover]

actually it does....

[left mirage]

im getting conflicting info

[burnt python]

it does

[left mirage]

lmao

[lethal plover]

I discovered that while playing trauma

[left mirage]

only one thing to do, jump into a game and test

[austere burrow]

Someone posted video proof ages ago

[gray island]

yes it does work with passive quell

[austere burrow]

But you can try it out in game

[vital bough]

Save the staff on the right for when the reroll patches come out, and you can reroll the blessings. At least you can salvage it that way.

[left mirage]

axe mk5 about to become god

[burnt python]

axe is 100% getting nerfed

[austere burrow]

Axe mk5 is the god

[lethal plover]

that is another bonus for playing trauma
my toughness is off the roofs

[robust meteor]

never know when you'll need to clutch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq4rHuhBpcs

[worthy wasp]

yes

[austere burrow]

As psyker you can just spam mk5 push attack because you don't need stamina to block lol

0 risk

[gray island]

idek what i'd want to swap run n gun for honestly..

[burnt python]

also perma staggers elites smaller than an ogryn

[ebon jolt]

Blessings and perks feel weird on the purge staff. Because the damage is split between burn and damage a lot of perks that increase damage or even crit and crit damage don’t feel as impactful.

[agile island]

Sitting at mission end just blocking while your party swings from behind you is pretty fun.

[left mirage]

feels weird that stuf like kinetic deflection and the zealot's heal on passive are locked to 20 when they're so broken

like without them you feel so much worse

[austere burrow]

Ya

Feels bad having to wait that long

[lethal plover]

there are many variations of
"you don't need a horde clearer"
"you don't need crowd control"
"you don't need to clutch"
Technically, you wouldn't be wrong. It's just that the attention tax and difficulty would then be offloaded onto something else. Like now you have to keep your teammates always alive.

[hot tulip]

1.) Still niche af, and Deflector stands as a counter point of your number 3 point; Damage is king in Damnnation and clearing hordes. I will admit that peril blocking is very unique, but still would rather CC/lockdown and kill rather than having to rely on that to keep my friends safe

2.) Ogryn says hi, especially with the first perk at Trust 5, this is not including his talents on his melee weapon

3.) Vet can just push F and delete the special, is marked for the ENTIRE time through walls to see, and he can take the perk which actually INCREASES his uptime on kills. Zealot can rush towards the target with steroid- same with Ogryn; and IF he also takes the movespeed on bullrush for everyone around him to get to the targets

[worthy wasp]

right lol, anyone saying psyker is weak and needs surge to be viable in damnation should watch some of the short clips @lethal plover has been posting here, peril to block alone is strong as fuck

[gray kelp]

note my intention was partially to convey the assumption you were in a competant group. Immedaitely one guy blows himself up and the other guy just rambos off from the group

[hot tulip]

The bonuses that all the other classes give WHILE in cohesion are massively superior compared to Pskyer offerings

[burnt python]

psykinetic's aura exists

[lethal plover]

with the addendum that I'm only an average gamer and I was playing on autopilot

[left mirage]

i see a horde and my mind immediately flashes back to slayer bardin

[hot tulip]

and Psyker is only 'tanky' because the other classes aura's allow him to exist

[left mirage]

its blending time

[austere burrow]

Yeah the heck do you mean lol

[ebon jolt]

Is it? Elite damage and CDR seems pretty good.

[agile island]

elite dmg is pretty fucking good imo

[austere burrow]

Psykinetic aura is insanely strong for your team

[gray kelp]

sometimes you just can't do much about that kind of stuff regardless if you're building for tard wrangling bad randoms lol

[robust meteor]

that for sure happened. was a comedy of errors

[opaque temple]

psykinetic aura is the best one but it requires that talent slot

[hot tulip]

yeah you have to slot it

[austere burrow]

So slot it

[worthy wasp]

.... other classes auras allow him to exist....????

[hot tulip]

so again, its less variety as well

[gray kelp]

but for that section in particular

[austere burrow]

Because it's good

[burnt python]

so? its the clear best why would you not slot it

[gray kelp]

try to get down asap

its ALWAYS a shitshow in that part with a bad group

they wont make smart decisions there trust me

[ebon jolt]

I feel like certain builds require communion though. If you don’t BB how do you build stacks? Or do you just not care about stacks?

[vital bough]

I'm not taking psykinetic auro over mindless BB cap from Psychic Communion EDIT: WRONG REPLY

[robust meteor]

thats exactly what i had them do my next run there

[austere burrow]

I don't care about stacks

[burnt python]

just dont care

warp charges bad

[lethal plover]

just had a 3-psyker damnation clear so I'm not sure what that means either

[burnt python]

peril resist is ok but not worth the feats

[austere burrow]

Agreed

[gray kelp]

clutching is not a role. Clutching is overcompensating for incompetance

[hot tulip]

Yes; Literally the other classes aura's ALLOW psyker to operate normally- It's not psyker, the class itself. Im talking about solo reliablity and what they bring to the table

Warp charges suck, half the guns are useless, he has almost no perks for the guns

i would rather have quad ogyrn in damnnation

than quad psyker

[austere burrow]

Obviously it's not a good thing that the stuff that's supposed to be psyker's identity is bad

[opaque temple]

the only bad parts of the psyker's kit revolve around warp charges

get rid of em entirely.

[robust meteor]

does clutching mean something different than in say a normal online FPS game?

because

[gray island]

hehe funny staffs

[hot tulip]

Psyker LITERALLY suffers from identity crisis its insane rn

[robust meteor]

clutch happens all the time in fps and sometimes you just get deaded

[austere burrow]

But the stuff that is good rn is good enough

[opaque temple]

a little bit of everything amounting to a whole lot of nothing

[burnt python]

guys if i type literally in all caps that makes my point correct right

[hot tulip]

exactly

[austere burrow]

I don't feel like I'm a burden

[lethal plover]

you're right
Increasing health is also overcompensating for incompetence? Why should anyone lose health if they are playing well?
I am being cheeky but this logic is where that leads to

[gray kelp]

but it's also a non-sequitor because it's normal to make mistakes and still do fine

[burnt python]

gonna not engage with the doomsdayers anymore lmao

[gray kelp]

but some people who queue for higher diffs dont belong there

[ebon jolt]

If that’s the case why do you need +toughness ? Or wounds? Everyone should take stamina for QoL. 😂

[hot tulip]

one could argue that Psyker can do everything, which is great, but then you lose the initial reason of what the devs intended psyker to be

which is a high target high burst killer

which he isnt at all

[worthy wasp]

I agree Psyker has an assload of shit talents. You wont get an argument from me there. The talent tree itself is obviously designed around pre-nerf psyker.

That said, the talents that are effective are incredibly effective.

[hot tulip]

all the points music listed lean towards psyker being a 'tank' which he's not supposed to be

[hearty dagger]

Honestly true. Warp charges are just a pain to maintain and offer so little that they should just get buffed up go compensate or get nuked from orbit.

[lethal plover]

because it's normal to make mistakes and still do fine
Thank you.
It's okay to make mistakes, including dying, and trust that you can be picked up.

[worthy wasp]

its that psyker is incredibly survivable while still being able to contibute via is massive amount of utility

and +10% damage to elite group wide is huge

[gray kelp]

that depends on circumstance, a lot of times people just die in stupid spots, causing other people to split to try and scrape the moff the floor which also causes them to die

[burnt python]

psyker can be built to handle every important role within the same build, which is insanely useful when shit is hitting the fan

[hot tulip]

You also wont get an argument from me when you say the talents are effective... when using force abilties. which is what 89 percent of the talent tree initially is. Hell ill even say he still needs buffs, w/e

What you WILL get an arugment from me is trying to use guns with this same talent tree on damnnation lol

[robust meteor]

correct. but psyker can tank and fill that role in a clutch moment for the team. a hand full of times i draw fire from a spread a ranged for my vet. deflector is great for niche things like that

spread of ranged*

[opaque temple]

the support aspect is quite undervalued because it's not flashy killing
your team won't ever notice how many times you save them from getting pounced/bursted on

[worthy wasp]

I'm not one of the ppl arguing for gun psykers. I personally run axe + staff

[opaque temple]

your team will hate you without knowing you were pulling the strings in their favor constantly

such is life as a support.

[hot tulip]

yeah but even then, his staff game feels so weak compared to any other class can do, is my main point

like why even also run gun

ugh

[south monolith]

You can't take what Fat Shark says literally lol

[hot tulip]

:c

[lethal plover]

we explained to you. alek cleared damnation in 24 minutes. that's good enuff for me.

[austere burrow]

I've grown to like being a big versatile blob of utility

[lethal plover]

that it works

[plain vessel]

Same

[hot tulip]

WE HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN THIS, RISE UP

[robust meteor]

all the little tools really add up

[opaque temple]

feels great when your team knows how to damage and when

but it's pure agony if they're clueless

[lethal plover]

we can only give our experiences and proofs but not more

[hot tulip]

We can be more than just utility bots

WE NEED BUFFS

[south monolith]

But where?

[lethal plover]

that's rather ubiquitious feeling. every gamer wants their stuff to be buffed

[opaque temple]

we need buffs so we can stop seeing 99% of psykers running the same staff and talents

[gray kelp]

I would like changes. I don't think psykers are weak per se but it's carried very hard by kinetic deflection I feel

psyker base kit sucks, a lot of the talents suck, you can be strong with psyker but it feels clunky and unrewarding

[hot tulip]

Warp charges, BB, Cast times, Talent tree rebalancing, more cohesion bonuses, soulblaze buffs, mind in motion to be natural and not a talent perk, to name a few

Soulblaze to be applied naturally instead of a fking perk

the extra damage if the target doesnt die perk to be natural

[plain vessel]

I like to think about it like this, if you have one really expensive and quality power tool you are really good at the thing that tool does, but what if your power tool can’t do another tools job. I would just think having more tools rather then one tool doesn’t seem like a bad trade off here.

[hot tulip]

Soulblaze is g ar b a g e

and also why IS mind in motion a talent?

[ruby karma]

Honestly, soulblaze feels weird on a psykinetic.

[hot tulip]

like cmon guys

ive been saying all of this the past welk

[vital bough]

Either make BB faster to charge, or do more damage.
Buff a few of the perks, maybe a slight damage adjustment on a couple staffs idk.
That's the most I think the Psyker needs, but my biggest gripe is BB is so shit that I basically always take Psychic Communion.

[hot tulip]

week

[opaque temple]

you just need to rely even more on your team to compensate

if they're bad, you're gonna have an exceptionally terrible time as psyker

[tidal adder]

I think cast speed as if you had the 30ult on BB would make psyker balanced

[plain vessel]

That is agree able however if they are good it works extremely well. So there is definitely two sides to the coin.

[gray island]

IDK the Pick n mix is supposed to be done without it being like 5 gunners considering we can't even 1 shot ragers on heresy if you kill with a BB before hitting F and 4 more BB after with Kinetic barrage it takes just about 12 seconds just to cast the BBs...

[south monolith]

You have talents to help with warp charges. Psykinetic's Wrath also serves a similar function. BB is fine for when you need it. Soulblaze could use some tuning.

[hot tulip]

this so much

[hot tulip]

it can be better is what im saying, especially when you compare TTK to the other classes

[gray island]

stacking this with the fact teammates can murder gunners by looking at them makes this stupif penance unbearable

[hot tulip]

the fact that BB doesnt even one shot SOME mobs on malice is laughable

malice

MALICE

[worthy wasp]

I just ran damnation high intensity, some dude pulled the daemonhost while we were fighting a mixed horde (ogryn + horde + specials) on accident and he died along with some other dude that ran ahead.

It was me and a vet left. The daemonhost jumped me and I pulled it to a corner and held aggro vs it and a substantial amount of others. A hound tried to jump on me a couple times, I was able to successfully push it away each time while also being able to hold aggro on the DH. Using peril to block allowed me to continue tanking the DH while expending stam to push. Eventually the vet and I were able to clear the horde and kill the DH.

I am not sure any class combo could have been able to pull that off

[flint plover]

bro a lot of people were struggling to clear malice a week ago, chill

[south monolith]

TTK on what though? What breakpoints are you worried about and for what weapons?

[dusky smelt]

@worthy wasp shield ogryn?

[lethal plover]

if you heavily spec into crowd control role, you will need a horde clearing friend and anti-gunmen to carry
but what I have actually found is that, when I spec into horde clearing, or a mix of clearing and control, suddenly I am free from that attention tax when a horde comes and I can deal with specials and gunmen more easily. it's just personal experience, but I need to test more

[austere burrow]

Shield ogryn gets eaten by dog I think

[hot tulip]

literally ranged and melee weapons on any other class other than psyker

Vets F up and have theire bolters delete
zealots charge and do the same thing plus they have a steroid for escapes/engage
ogyrn has box throw lol

[gray kelp]

not if disabler like pox hound is on you at same time

[hot tulip]

and ogyrns box throw is just his nades mind you

and that shit hurts

[austere burrow]

Psyker gets to do the infinite block thing while still being able to push and move

[gray kelp]

I don't think daemonhost shitshow is a good argument in favor of psykers being strong though considering how easy they are to avoid

[worthy wasp]

ye shield ogryn wouldnt have been able to push and still be able to block the dh

[lethal plover]

that would be a nice clip if you recoded it

[south monolith]

You have to talk about specific enemies to be able to talk about weapon tuning.

[frosty depot]

question: does Exorcist blessing proc only on repeated weak spot hits on the same enemy? or does it work from chaining weak spot hits across enemies?

[worthy wasp]

like, psyker can deal with legit anything

[vital bough]

That's not Malice, that's Heresy. I'm in Malice Psykhanium rn and one shotting zerkers with BB

[gray island]

typo on post sorry, that meat grinder clip is on heresy

[hot tulip]

im talking about in general and helping with wave clear and special killing, which arguably every other class can do but better.

i mean okay

lets look at BB and its cast time on mobs

or anyone/anything

and then take vet or zealot, F up, and try it on mobs

[ivory marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[lethal plover]

no other class can do all of what psyker can

and that's the point

[kindred sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/f-na-f-sex-now-sex-now-f-na-f2-gif-20844674

[vital bough]

But most classes can do something better than what Psyker can

[lethal plover]

which is game design. nice

[ivory marsh]

ur right no other class gets wooped as hard

[hot tulip]

exactly

[plain vessel]

@hot tulip It seems like most of your complains revolve around the psyker not filling the niche it was intended to fill and you want fatshark to change them, am I correct?

[gray island]

i've been getting that feelling of jack of all trades, master of none recently though honestly

[vital bough]

Yeah I'm fine with it that way.

[burnt python]

if psyker could do everything, and do those roles better than others, that would be imbalanced

[south monolith]

Voidstrike is a monster at horde clear. Does decent damage on other things as well and even staggers.

[kindred sphinx]

i came from ogryn to psyker and this class SUCKS guys

[tidal adder]

Psyker is great, but every other class is better

[hot tulip]

mostly, yes, and that surge has way more identity than the class itself

and im against gunpsykering as our current ability tree doesnt conform to using guns on damnnation, yet we have people saying its fine

[lethal plover]

welcome ogryn
you still play as one

[worthy wasp]

imo best team comp in damnation is ogryn+vet+2 psykers

[hot tulip]

this is for damnnation mind you Voit

[gray kelp]

ngl ogryn felt like easy mode playing them on heresy casually vs being a psyker sweatlord lol

[ivory marsh]

the sooner people stop being on their honey moon for this game and admit psyker's weaknesses, the sooner the class can improve

[tidal adder]

Did you get a stroke?

[plain vessel]

I agree against gun-psykers idk who thought that would work out well but I can see where you’re coming from here. The surge CC does tend to work the best from what I can tell.

[young summit]

what blessings do you want on a purgatus staff?

[opaque temple]

single target dps is the one thing they really need

[young summit]

iv got one with faster charge, but its damage is quite low :<

[vital bough]

I think it's a little ludicrous to think that the mage in a 4 class archetype game wouldn't fall into the utility and support aspect when it makes no sense for any other class to be that way.
That's the intended purpose, that's what they're here for. They do several things no other class can do, have access to most of everything every other class can do on a lower power scale, but ultimately provide the best utility, CC, and safety in the game if utilized properly.

[south monolith]

Naming a weakness that you can build to counter isn't a weakness

[hot tulip]

BB cast time needs help damage wise, Warp charges are a pain to maintain (one stack should expire one at a time) and soulblaze is literal garbage despite taking up TWO talents in the entire tree

[tidal adder]

Psyker doesnt suck compared to orgryn: shows a video of psyker using a weapon everyone can use

[gray island]

warp nexus andwhatever makes your secondary not flich

[hot tulip]

also guys

yeah

[gray kelp]

allegedly crit affects burn so warp nexus could be good

[hot tulip]

warp stacks should expire one at a time

[ivory marsh]

they have it, its called the forced sword. but it just sucks too much

[hot tulip]

not all at once

[lethal plover]

tell me you haven't played psyker without telling me
only psyker can peril block

[worthy wasp]

not everyone can use peril to block

[hot tulip]

that way it isnt a pain to maintain

[opaque temple]

it's quite weak in comparison to any zealot weapon and the veteran's power sword

[plain vessel]

No I would say I agree with these points, especially soul blaze. I really ain’t fucking with it.

[tidal adder]

You need to block? Just dodge lol

[ivory marsh]

I know im agreeing with you

[lethal plover]

the whole point is that you don't even need to dodge

[wise pecan]

that’s the intended purpose
It literally explicitly from Fatshark themselves is not

[vital bough]

Really? What'd they say the intent for the class was?

[ivory marsh]

the force sword should be way better than it is

[worthy wasp]

right, because while reviving you auto-dodge all attacks the same way you auto-block all attacks... right?

[lethal plover]

and with peril block, when you revive, you can't dodge anyway

[burnt python]

save your sanity this has gone on for too long lmao

[lethal plover]

seriously people are just running out of things to say now

[wise pecan]

High dps, fragile elite hunter

[young summit]

higest damaging single target glass canon

[vital bough]

lol

[tidal adder]

Yall need teammates? I dont have to revive anyone when i can dodge all damage

[lethal plover]

JuSt DOdgE
while reviving mid-horde

[gray island]

teammates can't get downed if you surge staff enough

[tidal adder]

Smh rookies

[opaque temple]

i just want higher damage because the morons in my public matches suck at DPS

[south monolith]

What it comes down to is the devs need feedback and the forums are a better place for that. Discord is a better place to share what works.

[lethal plover]

^

[wise pecan]

This is indeed a fair take

[south monolith]

Tears mean nothing here.

[lethal plover]

malders please go to talk to devs. that changes things

[fresh reef]

part of me wants to complete the heresy penances and continue to look like this as a flex
the rational part of me doesn't want to throw Heresy games lmao

[lethal plover]

here you're just souring people who share new ideas

[gray island]

a whole head of hair? disgusting

[worthy wasp]

ye I'm not saying psyker doesn't need changes to its talent tree

[south monolith]

I will never turn down buffs to psyker, but I also am not going to say its garbage.

[fresh reef]

tattoo sleeves instead of generic black gloves? the horror!

[hot tulip]

okay, fair

[worthy wasp]

I think all the talents that work off warp charges/soul blaze need a look

[hot tulip]

just please

[worthy wasp]

but all the ones that dont? strong

[hot tulip]

buff soulblaze and warp stacks and bb at least

[gray island]

live the Halo Grunt life

[south monolith]

The game as a whole needs some tuning

[opaque temple]

for sure, soulblaze drags the entire class down

[worthy wasp]

and it makes it to where Psyker is played in a way that isn't intuitive/in line with what was advertised

[tidal adder]

Once i get the opportunity i will do that

Probably not anytime soon

[hot tulip]

thank you undercover FS dev

i appreciate you

[ivory marsh]

It would just be nice for everyone to agree that psyker needs some love.

[fresh reef]

imagine needing paid cosmetics
I was born with my head cosmetic and the torso came with my tutorial induction

[ivory marsh]

If people fight it and there are mixed opinions, it might never get the changes it needs

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-spying-binoculars-observe-look-gif-5325326

spy

[fresh reef]

the jeans? wish.com for 10 imperium bucks

[gray kelp]

from what I've seen that's the general consensus, don't think you have to worry about fs not getting the message

[left mirage]

i really just hope they buff other options if they're going to nerf axe

[tidal adder]

The only thing i have similar with Fat shark is the fat part

[worthy wasp]

The issue isn't "Psyker is bad"... its that "Psyker doesnt do what it was advertised to do"

Psyker is incredibly strong right now, I'd just like to see more builds be possible because right now its a bunch of variation of 1 singular build that is enabling the class to perform as well as it does

[gray island]

fixed it now i look like everyone else

[ivory marsh]

you say that, and I would agree with you. but its already been a month

[left mirage]

definitely feel like discount ogryn sometimes

[tidal adder]

Excuse you

[gray kelp]

its a certified fatshark moment, come back in a few months if v2 development cycle is anything to go by lol

[left mirage]

but surge is bussin

[hot tulip]

i will fight against all gunpsykers until then lmao

[fresh reef]

here's a really stupid idea
+25% damage to elites and specials per warp charge

[opaque temple]

it certainly throws salt in the wound that everyone agrees psyker did not need a nerf but we got it anyway

[left mirage]

incredibly dumb

i would like to see it

[low onyx]

Las pistol psyker is for chads only

[boreal sun]

hey guys I heard if you buy all the cosmetics in shop you unlock god emperor psyker class!!!

[fresh reef]

*masochists only

[gray island]

too much hair sibling

[ivory marsh]

i guess i wasnt here for V2 so im new to how they go about these things

[fresh reef]

touppe havin ass

[low onyx]

Not when every vet is running a bolter, whos gonna click shooter heads

[worthy wasp]

idk, still think psyker is strongest class in the game. But I place a ton of value in versatility (which psyker has the most of) and clutch potential (arguably the best in the game at that as well)

[patent steeple]

wait, psyker got a nerf?! when?

[gray kelp]

the dynamic is launch is a shitshow, they slowly make the game a 9/10 over the course of a few years

[lethal plover]

did you mean to say an axe-wielding wizard is not what you imagined psyker to be? preposterous

[little gate]

What is the best build for psyker?

[south monolith]

I already assume that down the road they will alter crafting, because what is planned now looks bad

[gilded cave]

:< just tried heresy assassination for my last heresy mission type that I needed for penance, took us ~50 minutes to slog there in high intensity modifier only to fail on the boss, really feels like Psyker brings nothing to assassination boss fights

[fresh reef]

me, with brain burst

[gray island]

playing vet

[gray kelp]

from beta (not the pre-order one)

[low onyx]

Whatever you have fun with

[low onyx]

BB takes too long to clear a squad of shooters lmao

[opaque temple]

BB did twice as much damage in the first beta.

[bleak sonnet]

with good cause

[vital bough]

I'd like grims and scrips to be used for crafting instead of just being an in-game sidequest kinda thing

[bleak sonnet]

psyker was insane in beta

[tidal adder]

Its actually hair squigs

[devout axle]

Obligatory poll repost.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/kogjv36xvg6

[gray kelp]

depends, my recommendation for a good generalist psyker would be force sword/voidstrike

[dusky smelt]

im not possesed by a daemon thats just how i look normally

[fresh reef]

yes it does. it also doesn't cost ammo, is guaranteed to hit, and can be hit frame 1 after ducking out of cover

[burnt python]

dear fatshark: please let me rename my trauma staff "the kneecapper" thx

[opaque temple]

not even close.

please remember we were all playing on sedition and uprising during the beta. people had no idea what scaling was like

[lethal plover]

they nerfed the main culprit which is BB
but we're still good due to other stuff like peril axe

[gilded cave]

because beta was most people just playing low difficulty missions -_- BB was strong on uprising and sedition but it flat out sucks in heresy and damnation it's barely managing in malice

[south monolith]

Grims and scrips should be a risk/reward thing like VT2. It was a good source of difficulty inflation, but with a purpose.

[gilded cave]

exactly

[burnt python]

it is still good thru damnation

[worthy wasp]

Quietitude + Kinetic Deflection are the 2 big ones. (Quell Peril --> Gives toughness, Block --> Generates Peril)

After that its a matter of choosing a staff then finding a melee that pairs well with it. Surge + Antax MkV Combat Axe... Voidstrike + Force Sword... etc....

[bleak sonnet]

i get good use out of BB with ult in damnation

maybe you just arent using your resources well?

[dusky smelt]

i think bb's performance in malice is right where it should be

[tidal adder]

I want shirtless top to show off my tattooe

[opaque temple]

BB was NOT OP in the beta, everyone just thought it was because it was the highest DPS at level 1

[lethal plover]

yep it still oneshots backliners which is what it's for

[burnt python]

press F to make space > chain rapid BBs on prio targets, pull axe back out

[gray kelp]

tbh I mainly just want them to buff trauma staff if anything, my favorite staff use-wise but peril generation is too high and elevation/stairs interactions are jank

[trail garnet]

Hey guys, is 500 the max power level for weapons or does it go higher?

[gray island]

def recommend kinetic harvest over Quietude if going for pick n mix

[vital bough]

Yeah but regardless of the in-game effects, or however they balance the challenge, I just think it'd be nice that once you get out with those scrips/grims, you could USE them for something, like rerolling blessings/perks, etc...

[south monolith]

In the closed beta BB did one shot more, but I don't know if its confirmed that BB was changed and not the HP of enemies

[opaque temple]

we've seen 505

[burnt python]

max is 540 i believe

[trail garnet]

oh my, it goes higher

[fresh reef]

alternatively, build charges, press F, let soulblaze slowly do the work

[lethal plover]

though if I have to imagine a buff, or a fix, to BB
honestly? Maybe just it being a bit faster

[trail garnet]

thanks boys

[burnt python]

im really not a fan of damage over time in this kind of game, just personal preference

[fresh reef]

if only that worked in practice

[low onyx]

I could just whip out the skizzy and clap shooters tho, and I have BB for specials and force sword for everything else

[gilded cave]

soulblaze damage is complete ass

[lethal plover]

I don't want it to kill dogs in one hit
that circumvents and trivializes the dog
but a faster BB would be okay I think

[tidal adder]

I love how on the video of psyker showcase the psyker oneshots a bulwark, thats just false advertising

[bleak sonnet]

faster cast speed BB would be the only non class breaking buff

[burnt python]

faster bb would require a nerf to the lvl 30 talent too prob

[bleak sonnet]

yeah

[royal granite]

another shop refresh, another sword consecrated, still no deflection

[trail garnet]

I still think there needs to be a passive Feat that allows melee weapons to have a % chance to apply soulblaze stacks

[bleak sonnet]

it would

[opaque temple]

it's so bad without purgatus to refresh it, might as well not even exist.

[dusky smelt]

@trail garnet theres a blessing that does on crit

basically the same thing

[boreal sun]

soulblaze is supposed to increase non warp damage by 40%

[bleak sonnet]

but really imo psyker is already 2nd best class

[trail garnet]

oooh is that force sword exclusive?

[bleak sonnet]

so buffing it

ehh

[dusky smelt]

i got it on sword and my void staff

[royal granite]

i honestly don't care about BB, i want the warp charge mechanic to do something interesting

[tidal adder]

What? How

[lethal plover]

well all these proposals for changes wouldn't matter until you go to the forums which the devs actually read

[trail garnet]

If i can get that on my Dueling Sabre its gg

[boreal sun]

warp charge should effect force staff skills.

[robust meteor]

vet needs nerfed, psyker needs some tweaks on feats

[gilded cave]

justify that comment at all

[opaque temple]

4% on kill is insanely low

[devout axle]

I just want it not to be a chore to maintain.

[opaque temple]

it should be 15

[bleak sonnet]

look thru my msg history ive justified my class rankings 5-6 times

not gonna retype

[ivory marsh]

2nd best on sedition maybe

[gilded cave]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-approve-gif-3434390

[lethal plover]

#psyker-class message

[opaque temple]

only good for control really
without a good team playing psyker is suffering

[bleak sonnet]

thanks de

del

[royal granite]

i don't want warp charges to give a sad amount of +damage%, i want it to be a resource you spend on something to feel cool

[gray island]

here you go. easy passive 4 stack forever

[lethal plover]

I would disagree with needing a good team
psyker has best solo potential because it is versatile and deals with any threat

[south monolith]

You actually can use BB more on a higher difficulty because less things insta die in general.

[robust meteor]

i can make my team suffer way less

[devout axle]

That's just a bandaid solution to an otherwise poorly designed mechanic.

[ivory marsh]

4 ragers run at you solo. solution?

[opaque temple]

you have plenty of ability to escape sure, but killing power is sorely lacking

[tidal adder]

I cant agreee on your rankings at all

[gray island]

does it not solve you're problem?

[burnt python]

axe push attack spam kek

[robust meteor]

you literally press 1 button

F

[fast scarab]

Mutants rape the psyker 🙂

[worthy wasp]

Push attack tbqh

[tidal adder]

To pay respects cuz you ded

[lethal plover]

I don't care how many dogs or ragers they throw at me

[ivory marsh]

they get mildly staggered. then what

[gray island]

teammates shot them

[gilded cave]

it's cool apparently we can solo them all nps and BB is just fine, we're the second best class in the game

[opaque temple]

you stun the ragers and HOPE your team isn't blind as a bat and they actually help kill specials.

[lethal plover]

no need for team

just the axe

[ivory marsh]

He said solo.

[robust meteor]

run and stagger or stun with whatever staff

[fast scarab]

Bb is utter shit on heresy+

[burnt python]

literally hold rmb with axe out and spam m1

ragers die

[robust meteor]

dodge the scabs

[burnt python]

you are untouched

[robust meteor]

shoot staff

[gray island]

he shoots them then

[ivory marsh]

correct. you bide time and pray your teammates can make up for how incapable you are

[robust meteor]

i've played 4 rager scenario jumping me multiple times

[opaque temple]

you're objectively much more vulnerable to melee enemies it's undeniable

[lethal plover]

seems like not everyone here knows about axe psyker tank

[robust meteor]

i mean, its not impossible

and can do it not even getting touched

[gray island]

1 surge staff hit on all 4, then press f. use kinetic barrage and from 0 peril you 1 shot brain burst all 4 ragers

[lethal plover]

we have been talking about axe psyker tank for days but new people are joining all the time I suppose

[worthy wasp]

Just push attack dude lol

[lethal plover]

you ARE the best tank in the game except ogryn maybe and even ogryn can't peril block

[gilded cave]

so you're playing 'axe psyker tank' and a guy with a shotgun half a room away shoots you, what then?

[gray island]

they fall over and you have plenty time

[opaque temple]

playing psyker is great when your team remembers you're the lowest dps class in the game

when they don't.... oof.

[ivory marsh]

You're not going to kill 4 ragers with your push attack. You're just trying to bide time so the better classes can handle them for you

[gray island]

you can back step while charging BB as well

[worthy wasp]

Position better?

[ivory marsh]

just proving my point

[robust meteor]

with all of us telling you multiple ways to deal with that, are you still saying its the class?

[worthy wasp]

Yes I will

[robust meteor]

do you want to just m1 into everything?

[royal granite]

i keep seeing this video, i'm not sure what's so impressive about it

[gilded cave]

ah so the solution to the problem is don't be in the problem, nice

[worthy wasp]

And I have lol. Maybe youre bad

[burnt python]

generally when you hit t hings in the head with a strong attack they die at some point

[lethal plover]

nope. you both stagger and kill ragers

[bleak sonnet]

axe push attk definitely will kill ragers fast lol

[lethal plover]

exactly
I am just standing still and killing stuff

[ivory marsh]

You're not going to charge your sword into 4 ragers.

[lethal plover]

literally standing still

ok this person is just gonna ignore the axe I suppose

[burnt python]

i use axe, sword would work too just a lot slower

[lethal plover]

despite 10 people talking about it

[ivory marsh]

sorry is that video meant to be impressive

[frigid sparrow]

Axe is awesome

[gray island]

axe is nice, just wish i would get one in the shop

[worthy wasp]

Push attack

[opaque temple]

you shouldn't be forced to crutch on a certain weapon, that's just bad design

[burnt python]

alternatively, kneecap them w/ trauma staff

[lethal plover]

it's meant to show you both stagger and kill ragers
not even impressive
because ragers aren't the impressive threats you think they are

[burnt python]

or shoot them in the head with a gun

[patent steeple]

Which axe variant are we talking about here?

[worthy wasp]

Just gonna spam that @ noobs

[royal granite]

ok that one's a better representation of the axe i think

[frigid sparrow]

It's not a crutch, I mean, there are plenty of good weapons

[frigid sparrow]

mk V

[gray island]

Hard Stuck with my FS. and the blazing spirt procs off animation cancel from surge staff

[royal granite]

cause in that last one i can't help but notice the OTHER psyker using a surge staff

[gray island]

not optimal ofc, but it works until i find deflector or an ax

[opaque temple]

if you're using anything but axe you are doing yourself a disservice

[worthy wasp]

"Omg how do I deal with this terrible situation!!! I got a daemonhost, a hound, and 20 berserkers attacking me at once!!!"

push attack

[burnt python]

well thats interesting

[royal granite]

anyway the most i've ever had to deal with is two berserkers, and in that situation the force sword does just fine

[gray island]

its definitely something

[burnt python]

that would be busted if soulblaze was better

[bleak sonnet]

i prefer FS over axe rn

[fresh reef]

how much does 1 stack of SB do? like 2 per tick?

[ivory marsh]

The rager was alive the entire time. The only thing in that video showcased was...you survived. And it wasn't even through just your own merit