psyker-class

[vestal rose]

even if it's a struggle with a group, doing it with pugs is still insanity

[wicked grove]

"Sorry I accidentally shot that rager"

And you're sitting there

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I mean it's still way way easier than in a pug lol

[wicked grove]

Just like

[uneven sparrow]

Communication is the main thing to all the penances

[wicked grove]

"Bruh...he had his head nice and blue...I play vet...you can see blue in your ult.."

[ruby merlin]

Some pug might deliberately try to troll you if they know you are going for it.

[wicked grove]

Yea...

[alpine salmon]

Plz need some help with 2 traits. Not sure what they mean exactly

Warp Absorbtion
Replenish 10% Toughness when you kill an enemy with a Warp attack.

• What is a warp attack?

Psykinetic's Wrath
Gain between 5% and 15% damage with force weapon attacks, based on your current Peril.

• What is a force weapon attack?

[wicked grove]

This penance shouldn't be as hard as it is.

[ruby merlin]

So yeah, go for a premade, and try to make it all psykers @wicked grove

the reason being that you all help each other to get it, so there's incentive to behave.

[uneven sparrow]

That’s why you have at least one friend but true, by design some people will ree at being told “stop”

[spare niche]

i need pick n mix for one of my penance and then im all set for the rest

[ruby merlin]

Appeal to self interest @wicked grove :P. Get 4 psykers who all need it.

[wicked grove]

I'm just like if someone says "hey I'm going for this mind helping me"

[spare niche]

literally

[wicked grove]

Imma be more likely to help them.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah most people will help if they can.

Some people are going to try to screw you.

[wicked grove]

If you act like an asshole...

Then I ain't doin it

[ruby merlin]

But getting a group of 4 psykers will be your best bet.

[uneven sparrow]

A positive spin on let me get my fancy hat

[ruby merlin]

@spare niche what are you doing, run more heresy D:

[loud violet]

Afternoon siblings

[uneven sparrow]

Tbh at least some of them teach strategies

[ruby merlin]

you can accidentally get a lot of penances that way.

[wicked grove]

I'm literally...running strictly heresy...and I only have 3/7.

[spare niche]

ur right i shall

[wicked grove]

I'd love to have more

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I helped a bunch of newbie psykers get the cliffhanger penance, that was nice.

[loud violet]

Whats the best way to get pick n mix atm?

[ruby merlin]

@loud violet premades of full psykers

chasm station

gather ragers at the end

peril block etc

[wicked grove]

Is chasm station even in rotation?

[loud violet]

Need 5 unique no?

[spare niche]

lemme check

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove just wait till it is before you go for it.

@loud violet you can do 5 of the same atm

[spare niche]

it is but on malice

[ruby merlin]

it works

Malice works too

[loud violet]

Oh.

[ruby merlin]

it's bugged

[spare niche]

really?

bet

[ruby merlin]

Yeah that was the case 3 days ago at least

[wicked grove]

I mean if you wanna group we can do it

[ruby merlin]

if they patched it by now, who knows

[wicked grove]

There is a few malicew

[spare niche]

im down

[ruby merlin]

You could also try logistratum.

The end phase has a bunch of ragers spawn.

and the guaranteed spawns help

just have everyone use peril block

and the axe because you want higher passive quell while you block

also easier horde clear, which helps a ton

[wicked grove]

Also throughout the map there's alot of spawns for ragers/elites

[ruby merlin]

Yep

shouldn't take much time if everyone has peril block, so you can perma block if needed

[pine topaz]

Coming in to say.... fire staff is still much better in heresy than Surge

fire staff makes hordes trivial

[ruby merlin]

I mean the axe makes them trivial too

[vestal rose]

fire staff for life

[ruby merlin]

so for me axe + surge makes sense.

[pine topaz]

you gain so many warp charges

[ruby merlin]

I never use warp charges except once in a blue moon 😛

only to ulti and bb burst down a crusher or something

[vernal frigate]

tac axe?

[uneven sparrow]

The soulblaze level 25 feat is clearly better than the brain burst one esp with flame

[ruby merlin]

@vernal frigate antax mk v combat axe

one hit will kill 5 mobs on damnation

with brutal momentum

[vernal frigate]

sheeesh

[vestal rose]

I use warp battery with my flame staff

[ruby merlin]

and the push attack will let you survive indefinitely with peril block in any horde

including one with ragers

[wicked grove]

I use soulblaze with my surge staff

[vernal frigate]

Interesting

[uneven sparrow]

But boi do I like the burst 10% thing

[wicked grove]

There's no real other good option.

[bleak tulip]

[wicked grove]

It's another aoe burn effect

[ruby merlin]

I mean all the staffs actually work on damnation to some degree, pick whichever one you like the most IMO

[vernal frigate]

I've just been using the force sword and surge

[ruby merlin]

but I always pick the one that lets me clutch or carry the hardest.

@vernal frigate Force sword is just for fashion or support IMO, the lack of passive quell really hurts it.

[uneven sparrow]

Duelling sword is where it’s at tho

[ruby merlin]

Because passive quell = free toughness while not doing anything risky if you just block.

Dueling sword is fun too, plus fashionable.

[uneven sparrow]

It’s so obviously the signature Psyker weapon despite force sword

[vestal rose]

with a flame staff your force sword is only out for blocking or elite killing

[vernal frigate]

I don't really like it just has good rolls and haven't really found anything else decent cause RNG is just the best

[ruby merlin]

@vernal frigate Try the antax axe, or the dueling sword mkv

[vestal rose]

with surge it makes more sense to use something that isn't the force sword

[ruby merlin]

even if it's green, test it out, see if you like it.

[wicked grove]

I like the FS and Staff.

[ruby merlin]

yeah force sword cc is pretty nice if you use it just as a group support cc thing.

[vernal frigate]

I liked the dueling sword except the damage was kinda eh

Flowed really nicely

[ruby merlin]

@vernal frigate it's mostly for the awesome dodge range on the mk v

mobility helps a lot on damnation, but I do personally prefer the axe.

[vernal frigate]

I'll try out the antax when I get one

[ruby merlin]

Also the heavy attack angle on the mk v is easy to headshot with.

[uneven sparrow]

There’s some rolls that seem to make it function, I know mine does up to dif 4 (I’m too afraid of 5)

[ruby merlin]

(the dueling sword), the antax has super easy angles as well.

@uneven sparrow If you can do heresy without sweating and never dying, damnation isn't much harder 🙂

just do it if you can find a queue haha

[vestal rose]

let us dodge with the duelling sword like we could at the start of preorder beta
and make it passive quell faster again
pls it was so much fun

[vernal frigate]

😭

[grizzled iris]

Damnation is heretic but with some more health try it, it's not different from heretic

[ruby merlin]

Yep, I wish they made damnation harder tbh

we need harder stuff for the top players to actually care about gear etc.

[craggy breach]

I justrs tarted a psyker and i started malice at level 7 and heresy at level 15. used a crappy 230 rating dueling sword the whole time. you can make it work

[ruby merlin]

and run those cool tourneys

@craggy breach yeah malice can be done at level 3 tbh.

It's too easy

toughness is so OP lol

[uneven sparrow]

Thanks guys, I’ll give it a try on my next one with the proper feats

[vernal frigate]

What feats are you currently running @ruby merlin

[ruby merlin]

@vernal frigate Most important is peril block with toughness on quell.

[vernal frigate]

I can do damnation easy just build feels like ass rn

[ruby merlin]

And the passive quell from the axe gives you free toughness on demand whenever you need it via blocking.

[vestal rose]

axe?

[craggy breach]

i just find it funny that some pepole think you can only use certain weapons at heresy and damnation, like skill has no part in it

[vernal frigate]

This with FS/Surge

[wraith wren]

Any tips for pick n mix or just keep trying, i swear i keep getting like 5 gunners with headpops and yet the penance isnt getting done at all

[ruby merlin]

The other perks I give myself free warp charges, and the one that speeds up bb

@vernal frigate Ohh you need the bottom one for the level 5 perk, it's way better than 30% toughness on bb

like so much better

free toughness on block.

[grizzled iris]

Hell no

[vernal frigate]

I mean it works lol

[grizzled iris]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/345770af-fa37-43a1-9d63-a7dc7bb70b9e/damnation-support-psyker

[ruby merlin]

Then peril block, it's a must, you can perma block daemonhosts, plague ogryns etc.

[vernal frigate]

Games not hard at all

[ruby merlin]

(as long as you don't run the force sword).

@vernal frigate yeah for sure

[vernal frigate]

Interesting

[ruby merlin]

we need the equivalent of cata 3+

[vernal frigate]

I haven't even bothered experimenting yet

[ruby merlin]

If there is a true solo run of damnation, it'll be psyker with peril block and probably the axe atm IMO

one weapon that can kill everything

peril block for near invincibility

[grizzled iris]

They should make damnation + where you add things like 100% more mob hp, 100% more rager dmg etc

[ruby merlin]

then you just gotta dodge specials

[grizzled iris]

Challenges basically

[lean plinth]

Cata 3+ wont come for a year

[warm bolt]

Which axe variant?

[grizzled iris]

MK V

[ruby merlin]

Antax combat axe mk v

[vernal frigate]

Is ascending blaze actually good?

Feels like it does fuck all damage

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt only that one, antax combat axe mk v

[vernal frigate]

I just perma run faster BB less peril for crushers and bulwarks

[ruby merlin]

the others are bad due to attack angles and damage numbers IMO

[grizzled iris]

If done with 6 warp charges it clears an entire horde

[vernal frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-14744673

Very interesting

[ruby merlin]

warp charges aren't fun to me, so I prefer a melee peril block build :P. But try stuff out!

[craggy breach]

screw the combat axe, i run heresy and danmnation with the tact axe all day

[ruby merlin]

lol hard mode 😛

[vernal frigate]

I'll give this a whirl, ty

[lean plinth]

is psyker the best class

[vernal frigate]

What blessings do you run on the axe

Also wtb crafting

[grizzled iris]

Headtaker tier 5 preferably

[sick cove]

does force weapon damage bonus feat affect the soulblaze dot?

[lethal folio]

Ascendant blaze can kill elite gunners if you have a power boosting weapon blessing.

[lofty jetty]

Psykers when they do the explode..

[warm bolt]

Wish force sword was better

[grizzled iris]

We all do

[warm latch]

Aren't we supposed to get the rest of the weapons soon?

Or does anyone know? I remember seeing a post on the forums from a fatshark manager talking about this week?

[bright cipher]

bad

[cyan notch]

what weapons

[warm latch]

It was data mind a while ago. A melta gun, 2 handed force sword another power sword. I think a 2 handed chain axe as well

[random wolf]

Don't hope for it lol

[heady dirge]

Nobody knows, I wouldn't rely on a leak to say we're either getting those weapons or getting them soon

[random wolf]

Might be saved for the next class.

At some point you're just setting yourself up for disappointment

[heady dirge]

We're supposed to get an update about weapon numbers etc. this week

So if they're there we should get a one line reason why they're not live

[spring nest]

meltagun they are probably struggling to balance

[heady dirge]

not finished yet, problems in testing, saving for new classes (psyker CC class, guard heavy etc.)

[random wolf]

Honestly yeah weapon balance is a bit jank and I'd rather them fix that

Force Sword isn't the best for hordes but its fine personally.

[frank pike]

where my duelling sabre chads at

[spring nest]

here best weapon imo

[frank pike]

infinite cleave and headshotter extraordinaire

[ruby wagon]

Not a chad, but still an avid duelist here!

[frank pike]

love me rapier moveset

[heady dirge]

Yeah, the force sword is okay tho, especially with a good damage/first strike roll and a strike staff. Covers you against every enemy type for pugging

[frank pike]

honestly i still haven't seen another psyker use it ingame in like 60+ hours so far

everyone uses the dang force sword

[ruby wagon]

Force sword is great, but just the pose with sabre, with offhand behind my back, tips the scales in favor of duelling

[spring nest]

space marine 2 footage today supposedly

[wild pilot]

Force Sword special action is too good for clutching, but I like the sabre too

[spring nest]

what does the special action actually do?

[warm bolt]

Wish it had more impact

[spring nest]

just more dmg?

[warm bolt]

Never feels like it slaps

Which i think is my problem with the force sword

Never feels like i’m actually killing things with it lol

[wild pilot]

Power up with warp energy, hit for single hit boosted damage

On malice it kills most elites in one hit, aside from ogryns

idk other diffs

[spring nest]

damn might have to use it more

[fallow meadow]

It just like chainsword but with mind power.

[spring nest]

havent rolled a good force sword i na long time

[fallow meadow]

As long as you find one with defector, it will do. The stat don't really do that much sine you mostly only use it to block or special attack.

[spring nest]

still waiting to roll a good surge staff whats the best blessings for surge?

[wild pilot]

yeah I mostly use Sword for elite killing

Its kinda janky against hordes

[stable stone]

i think the force sword would be slightly better if its ability had like a slight AOE effect that could damage multiple of the trash units at once

[lost pike]

I found a force sword that adds 2 stacks of soulfire when you crit. Did not know that was a thing.

[fallow meadow]

Agree, even just a area push on the last hit of the special will make much better.

[stable stone]

exactly the amount of times I've tried to hit a shotgunner with the special only to hit a poxwalker that was clipping through him and waste the ability

[zinc ether]

[fallow meadow]

Heavy attack will make it easier to aim, but yeah, I know your pain.

[spare niche]

🤔

[bleak tulip]

if block attack is impacted by cleave targets that might be an issue without a blessing that gives you more

[tranquil fiber]

imho you wanna be searching for stat item ratings that are 360-380

anything else is blessing fodder for when crafting comes out

[fallow meadow]

Anyone know what mobility do?

[tranquil fiber]

350 as a base line if your 30 is fairly new

[bleak tulip]

press v and hover over it

dodge distance, sprint speed

yknow the works

[pale peak]

@fallow meadow my understanding was it affects dodge but i could be wrong

[bleak tulip]

also more hidden stuff like how fast the dodge distance decays, sometimes it gives you more dodges

[tranquil fiber]

Inpsect and read - probably will answer other questions you have with other weapon stat lines

lots of info in there if you have a moment

[fallow meadow]

Oh sorry, never know the stat part also have explanation in game.

[tranquil fiber]

It was made available on launch day

and don't worry, teach a person to fish and all that

[wicked grove]

Tbh there needs to be more force weapons.

[tranquil fiber]

[tranquil fiber]

I agree but having full crafting first would be great

just means more stat lines in the shop to look at, we already have enough on our plate

Staves need to be looked at or buffed in some way

[pale peak]

I saw guides for brain burst saying to get a "slow and heavy weapon" is there a side reason for this or does it affect BB?

[tranquil fiber]

what guide are you referring to?

can you link it?

[bleak tulip]

sounds like nonsense

[pale peak]

yea but ill need to find it again it was talking about trying to get the pick and mix done

[bleak tulip]

especially since psyker doesnt get a slow and heavy weapon

[tranquil fiber]

oh thats different

[honest drift]

what actually does affect brain burst speed, cus i can def feel it getting faster as i have leveled psyker, and i dont have the 30 talent reducing the speed of it.

[tranquil fiber]

two seperate things

If you want to get the penance done, some people recommend getting an axe to kill things quickly

however that video was based on the old beta notes

[cyan echo]

it's your brain speeding up

[bleak tulip]

to my knowledge nothing

[pale peak]

https://segmentnext.com/darktide-psykinetic-penances/ it was this under the penance discription maybe i just read it wrong

[tranquil fiber]

Yeah they are just basically saying use a melee weapon for Pick and Mix

instead of BB

[pale peak]

does that even work? i thought it had to be BB

[tranquil fiber]

nope

On Heresy or higher difficulty in Warhammer 40K Darktide, within 10 seconds, you must take out five specialist or Elite enemies to complete this penance.

no where in there says BB

[pale peak]

o wow thank you for letting me know i was being silly

[craggy breach]

so it's been 6 shop refreshes in a row that not only does it not have the weapon i want, it hasn't had a single psyker class weapon period. insane

[tranquil fiber]

To give you the benefit of the doubt you might be thinking of trying to do it along with this penance?
On Malice or higher threat level with a single Perils of Warp explosion, take out three elite enemies to complete this penance and get Storm Witch’s Duty Raiment for the upper body as a reward.

where BBing into nuking one self is a commonly suggested idea

[honest drift]

i read it yesterday it clearly says kill 5 elites or specials with brain burst within 12 seconds?

or am i high

[cyan notch]

its brain burst yea

[pale peak]

@tranquil fiber lol no i think im just dumb

[tranquil fiber]

that website is using the old penance writing

it got changed

sec

[orchid nest]

not sure if that last hotfix fixed it but it was doable on malice the day before at least

[bleak tulip]

I thought I was crazy

I was 100% certain it said BB

[honest drift]

wording on that is kinda misleading btw, they dont have to be "different"

can be same 5 elites

just a total of 5

[tranquil fiber]

So the website is wrong

well no longer correct

It was that way before launch

[pale peak]

ah dam wish i had gotten it dont than

[honest drift]

is doing it without the lvl 30 talent even possible

[bleak tulip]

iirc someone did the math and yeah but with like 2 seconds to spare if its BB one shots

which i´on heresy really limits you

[ornate hamlet]

No weapon announcement? Ridiculous, I’m going back to playing marble madness

[tranquil fiber]

It would have to be a specific enemy type

[honest drift]

u would need the shotgunners/gunners or w/e

[orchid nest]

I see at least one person claim they did it on malice after the hotfix so it might be possible still

[honest drift]

and not miss a single burst

[bleak tulip]

gunners and shotgunners are one shots still on heresy iirc

[obsidian lichen]

Shotgunners, Gunners, Trappers, Snipers are all 1-shot.

At max stacks, I think Ragers and Flamers can be 1-shot.

[bleak tulip]

bombers too I think

[obsidian lichen]

Missed Bombers. ;-;

[tranquil fiber]

probably best to do it at 30

[obsidian lichen]

But yes, they are 1-shot.

[bleak tulip]

but good luck getting enough specials, most of them would have to be gunners

[tranquil fiber]

cause heresy is kinda wild*

[obsidian lichen]

It has to be 30, you can't do it without Kinetic Barrage.

[tranquil fiber]

brain fart

[honest drift]

main difficulty is finding 3 ppl to help u do it, cus in publics its not happening :D

people will just kill them

[bleak tulip]

same for like half the psyker penances

[obsidian lichen]

The other choice is to use BB on the tougher elites first so they're 1 pop from death.

But needs ally assistance to not kill them for that.

[pale peak]

its odd it doesnt track the most you have gotten in the time limit like other penances do

or maybe mine is just bugged

[orchid nest]

Yeah like I have been saying it might be doable on malice still, a lot easier there.

[tranquil fiber]

you can't because it's required to do it on Heresy

[obsidian lichen]

It used to, I think they changed the progress tracker because people were getting confused about how it worked. Some thought you didn't have to get them all at once.

[orchid nest]

It's bugged, or was at least I can't speak for after the hotfix. I see someone claim they still did it after the hotfix

I personally did it on malice on the 6th so I am speaking from first hand experience. Just don't know if it still works.

you'll find other people talking about it if you look hard enough

[obsidian lichen]

Check out my Psyker re-balance suggestions for Fatshark. I fancy some opinions.

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-suggestions/67013

[late crater]

So what build would you lot recommend for a melee build only?

[bleak tulip]

ideally not playing a melee build only

not really the class for it

[late crater]

That's no fun

[bleak tulip]

I mean you can get away with it im sure but why would you

just play zealot

[late crater]

Zealot can't block bullets

[bleak tulip]

FS isnt really good as the only weapon youre using and thats all the exclusive melee weapons you get

[cyan echo]

focusing only on melee will just be a detriment to your team

[orchid nest]

this but if you have to take quietitude, peril block, use a non force weapon and ideally spam something still on a staff for toughness before you melee. ironically as bad as trauma is it would be good for this purpose because it generates so much peril

[bleak tulip]

and I say that as a FS enjoyer

FS cleave is limited and the only weapon that can block bullets

[granite pulsar]

what's FS?

[bleak tulip]

force sword

[granite pulsar]

ah

it blocks bullets? i'll check that out

[bleak tulip]

with deflector it does

[obsidian lichen]

If you want a 'melee' only build, then don't be melee only. Bring the Purgatus or Surge staff (I recommend Purgatus for quick CC on basic mobs).

Use something quick, like the Tactical Axe (absolute banger of a weapon). OR Force Sword with Deflector trait (otherwise don't bother with the sword - it's too slow for dealing with hordes well and dodge range is ass).

Purgatus primary fire will CC mosty enemies - Pox, Dreg/Scab grunts, snipers, bombers, trappers (sometimes), ragers (sometimes) and some others. Tap primary, switch to melee, smack 'em to death.

[bleak tulip]

Force sword gets unlimited dodges, the dodge distance doesnt really matter as much

[obsidian lichen]

Purgatus doesn't CC Ogryn Elites, Mutants, Maulers, Pox Masters or Hounds (sustained flame can stun hounds and maulers a bit, but that's even further from melee).

[bleak tulip]

also the aoe interrupt on block push 1

[orchid nest]

I'd add that antax would be good as always but yeah

[obsidian lichen]

I know, but the Tactical Axe is so fast at attacking and does auto weakspot damage to 90% of enemies. I've used both and found that the Tactical Axe is just much faster at clearing hordes and taking out specials. Force Swords greatest benefit is popping heads on elites, but this suffers because if there is a horde you are vulnerable and half-the-time it hits the wrong enemy. Deflector is the real tipping point here just because it's such a great perk for gap closing.

[orchid nest]

that would be my personal choice but if you're doing a build for fun essentially and not doing higher difficulties you may as well use what is fun anyways

[late crater]

I was just curious if there was a way to pull off a melee only. Maybe in the future. But another question. Are the traits and all that on the voidstrike any good?

[obsidian lichen]

Transfer is, because Voidstrike is all about headshots.

[bleak tulip]

transfer peril is goated, no idea how or if terrifying even works

warp flurry would be by second BiS

[obsidian lichen]

Suppression on close range kill is not, because the Voidstrike rarely gets used in close range - and it isn't recommended to try. However, Suppression is great on Surge staff.

Still, it's a great staff either way.

[orchid nest]

I would agree on the base weapons but disagree on killing hordes if you have brutal momentum on the antax. Antax is also just safe to use in a comforting way in general but your obsevations are good here and the tac axe is definitely good too as long as you can click heads.

[late crater]

Yeah I thought it was pretty good overall apart from the suppress blessing

[bleak tulip]

you can absolutely do it, though only weaving it into openings

shame about the charge rate

that ones pretty important

youre missing easily .5 seconds for max

[obsidian lichen]

For Voidstrike I prefer increased Charge for subsequent alt. fire attack.

[late crater]

What perks would you recommend for the voidstike?

[obsidian lichen]

Horde clear becomes a bit silly, and the CC from repeated blasting is strong.

[fallow meadow]

For Pick and Mix, it said you need to kill 5 "different" elite. Does it mean 5 different type of elite?

[obsidian lichen]

No, just 5.

[bleak tulip]

• damage unarmored is good since youre horde clearing

and aiming for heads

so scab melee also gets you the bonus

[late crater]

Oh fair, what about feats and stuff?

[tardy flower]

You just can't kill the same guy 5x, he's dead after the first time you kill him

[fallow meadow]

Then the word "different" is quite redundant in that sentence.

[obsidian lichen]

Transfer Peril is always great for horde clear + recharge rate on subsequent attack = non-stop spamming of giant explosions.

It's primary purpose is horde clear and long-range head pops behind cover.

[bleak tulip]

you mean talents? I run 221233 but if you have deflector I would take kinetic deflection in a heartbeat (corrected)

[late crater]

Ah fair, i guess the level 30 perk is one of those things that you take what you like

[bleak tulip]

unless youre really working towards it and you have something like slaughterer on your FS to boost it I wouldnt take ascending blaze personally

you also really need 6 charges to make it even remotely worth

[obsidian lichen]

Ah. General feats for Psyker:

• Toughness on Quell on Heresy and Damnation imo.

• Toughness on warp attack for Malice and below.

• Warp res. per charge.

• 15% skill reduction on special kill (incl. allies in coherency).

• Block with peril instead of stamina.

• 6 Warp charges.

• Kinetic Barrage.

---

This is my go-to for anything Heresy+.

[ebon jolt]

I would also recommend + damage against flak armor or infested. Flak armor will help deal with some of the ranged mobs and the melee mob with armor on its head.

[bleak tulip]

yeah +flak is always good

also since thats usually where your void shots terminate, on the face or chest of a mauler or armor rager

[vagrant fractal]

What counts as infested?

[bleak tulip]

dogs, half of trash mobs

uhh

[obsidian lichen]

Hounds, mutants and poxwalkers (I think).

[bleak tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z2pn4t/enemy_breed_armour_types_and_locational_damage/

[paper trail]

That's not for voidstrike on malice and below though I presume since you would want the 15% damage instead imo because peril isn't really a problem

[vagrant fractal]

thanks guys

[bleak tulip]

mutants are maniac

[obsidian lichen]

;-;

[vivid merlin]

is the left click on purge actually useful

[bleak tulip]

stagger, stack generation

[obsidian lichen]

Yes.

Instant CC for close-range specials.

[lucid cove]

Will this game come out on Xbox?

[bleak tulip]

probably

[lucid cove]

I wanna play it so bad

[obsidian lichen]

Got a shotgunner in your face? Tap primary, stun them, smack 'em in the face with a melee.

[bleak tulip]

depends on MS, they aleady took ages with verification on patches for pc gamepass

so thats likely the holdup

[lucid cove]

Yay i hope it does. I wanna join on the fun of killing shit

[cyan notch]

its shop time boys

[paper trail]

Hyped

[vivid merlin]

time to add another force sword to my 16 force sword collection (0 deflector)

[obsidian lichen]

Honestly, I absolutely hated Purgatus when I first used it. Now it's my go to all-rounder. Has horde CC and clear + decent special CC.

[bleak tulip]

not home for another half an hour for my scheduled disappointment

[vivid merlin]

jk there won't even be one

[obsidian lichen]

Shop time?

[bleak tulip]

every hour on the hour

disappointment delivery

[cyan notch]

one grey force sword

ill take it ig

[paper trail]

grey is fine if its 380 lol

[obsidian lichen]

If the stats are good, do eet.

Can't wait for crafting though. Nothing more depressing than upgrading a great base stat weapon to get shite perks.

[paper trail]

3 atrox axes followed by a duelling sowrd and a devils claw... there's always next shop...

[severe laurel]

Is the Trauma Staff really bad?

[obsidian lichen]

Not really.

Has heavy CC on secondary attack, but aiming it is slowest of the lot. Damage is good, but in a small AoE.

[paper trail]

I mean, it slams but its peril generator is bad and its charge time is slow, targeting can be hard in some places I found and its range is short

[spring nest]

my recent rolls have been awful

[paper trail]

But it blows their arms and legs of in the most spectacular fashion

[shell radish]

what curios do you prefer on psyker?

[obsidian lichen]

Charge rate is faster than Voidstrike, but not as good for clearing hordes. Knocks down nearly everything, but has awful damage on the outer edge of the AoE.

And yeah, Peril generation is anal.

[severe laurel]

Ah fair enough, I've been waiting for a Voidstrike and saw a Trauma and didn't use it since a while ago

[spring nest]

i would also like to know

[severe laurel]

Been using the Electric one but it seems kinda bad damage wise

[shell radish]

I assume toughness and ability regen?

[obsidian lichen]

Honestly, I equip curios for their bonus stats mostly.

Anything with decent corruption or damage res.

[spring nest]

it can stun anything pretty much except bosses so makes plague hounds and mutants basically obseltese and pushes pox bursters back

[obsidian lichen]

Corruption resistance less so these days though as I've found that I no longer really generate corruption.

[spring nest]

electric staff is deffo a support staff unless you roll really good dmg

[tranquil fiber]

exactly^

[severe laurel]

Maybe I'm just using it on teh wrong things, just looked at the attack breakdown and it does more damage to armored than unarmored

[tranquil fiber]

compared to the other staves, Surge staff is not a damage staff, its a CC weapon

[severe laurel]

Haven't got up to Purgatus yet, looking forward to it

[tranquil fiber]

thiink of it like the Shield for the Ogryn

it keeps your alleis safe by stunning 5-6 mobs at a time

[spring nest]

its incredible if you have a coordinated team you can stop pretty much any attack coming at your team and stop hordes in their tracks

[tranquil fiber]

prioritizing special units

[spring nest]

takes 2 hits to stun a mutant tho

[obsidian lichen]

A full charge will stun a mutant.

[shell radish]

electric staff I've been using, don't know if its worth upgrading or not

[tranquil fiber]

full and half charge will stun a mutant

[severe laurel]

Thanks for the help

[spring nest]

wish my rolls were that good

[tranquil fiber]

its 323 rating not worth it, worth keeping the blessing though.

[shell radish]

have no idea if you're supposed to full charge it, I've just been spamming the secondary to get lightning out quickly

[severe laurel]

How do you do a chained secondary attack on a staff?

[tranquil fiber]

If you want damage Purge and Void are the way to go or Lasgun Staff

[paper trail]

I have been questioning if charge rate is least important stat on surge staff since you only spam it

[shell radish]

wait you do just spam it?

[severe laurel]

... Lasgun staff?

[spring nest]

spam is pretty good since all youre doing is stunning them so your team can destroy them

[paper trail]

you want to stun everything as much as possible

[vagrant fractal]

Sometimes I feel like that blessing isn't great on surge because it makes it easy to get peril

[tranquil fiber]

its a bit of a meme but Recon Lasgun is considered a Lasgun Staff.
Some Psykers use it instead of Force weapons cause of how much damage it does.

[shell radish]

yeah thats what I though, wasnt sure if the CC got better with a full charge though

[paper trail]

if you aren't playing a difficulty where you need to stun stuff you should just go pure damage imo with voidstrike instead lol

[shell radish]

didnt really notice a diffrence

[paper trail]

I personally find surge staff incredibly boring to play though and am trying to find a better purge staff to upgrade to see what it feels like

[shell radish]

been running heresy with the psyker to learn it

[tranquil fiber]

It's nice to spam Surge when you have a mob, and you target minions behind your allies

[fallow meadow]

Void do good damage but I have heard that Lasgun Staff do the most dps.

[spring nest]

i feel like surge is better higher diffs and void for lower diffs since you need more teamowrk on heresy and damnation

[tranquil fiber]

but when you have specials, its nice to charge half way and full charge when its safe

[shell radish]

kk

[tranquil fiber]

yeah Malice and below you don't need Surge its nice to have but it's not as impactful.

[paper trail]

well for damage that thing people pointed out where you swap weapon and it instantly pops the damage at the cost of the stun is quite nice when you need to damage something lol

[shell radish]

I've also been running force sword, this one seems decent

[tranquil fiber]

Surge is all about sacrificing dps to control the fight / wave management

[wicked grove]

But it's great

[spring nest]

psyker needs a bb buff on damnation and heresy

[fallow meadow]

Surge, charge a bit for stun, full charge when you are safe for the most worth of peril cost.

[tranquil fiber]

and if you're quick you can animation cancel the surge and swap to a melee to hack stuned targets

[shell radish]

reason I wanted to learn psy was just how impactful the lighning CC staff is on higher difficulties

[wicked grove]

Thats...actually good....

[vagrant fractal]

Those blessings seem amazing

[wicked grove]

That's not "decent"

[shell radish]

when I run zealot they carry

[wicked grove]

That's actually fucking good.

[shell radish]

I dunno psy stuff lol

[wicked grove]

They are!

[shell radish]

t.zealot brain

[tranquil fiber]

its good, rating could be a bit better keep a look out for one, but it'll do

to be fair if you are happy with the damage and blessing combo you don't need to chase for perfection with a 380 drop

might get that itch when crafting is fully released

[shell radish]

yeah for now I'm mostly just saving up mats

sometimes upgrade stuff when I feel a gacha itch but it just doesnt seem really worth it right now

how are these perks for psy?

[tranquil fiber]

whats your secondary weapon?

[shell radish]

palpatine staff

[obsidian lichen]

At the moment, bad.

[shell radish]

what should I swap around then?

[cyan notch]

spamming surge can actually make u go crazy from the constant overcharge warning screeches and that one voice just blabbering nonstop u can barely hear anything else

[paper trail]

the 6th one and 2nd one

for pretty much anything else

and 3rd

[obsidian lichen]

Soulblaze stacks on special kill is terrible. Radius is only 3m and requires at least 4-5 kills for damage to actually be worth trying to build the stacks -- and that demands lots of specials in close proximity that remain in that 3m radius.

Warp Charges on kill (4%) is okay, but imo the 15% reduction on elite is just far more useful. You get your F back really quickly.

BB on attack is also eh, 6 stacks makes for better BB damage and peril resist (good for Surge staff).

Ascendant Blaze is only good with 6 stacks, but Kinetic Barrage is great for whacking down a horde of elites.

[obtuse bough]

Does the peril auto-quell from melee weapons affect Quietude?

[cyan echo]

Yes

[sterile sable]

121133 bis?

[rapid cliff]

I just like brainburst for penances rn

[obsidian lichen]

Don't forget you can cast BB at 98% peril.

99% still seems to try and murder you though, from testing.

[cyan notch]

i do it at 96

[haughty raptor]

starting to use it at 98 or finishing the charge at 98?

[obsidian lichen]

Starting cast.

[cyan notch]

97 and above go boom for me

[paper trail]

do you actually maintain 6 stacks of warp charges by manually BBing things with surge staff? Would the uptime on 4 not just be better with auto BB's on some surges popping trash for more consistent peril resistance too with 4 charges than less warp charge generation for more charges?

[magic hull]

yeah because you start quelling at +1% which means quelling at 100% kills you

same goes for force sword i think

[devout axle]

Good morning fellow copium addicts. Reposting this from last night.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/kogjv36xvg6

[obsidian lichen]

I can't even pick a favourite.

[orchid nest]

I prefer this route but also because you don't need to stack too much peril resist if you're using quietitude anyways. there is def a sweet spot.

[shell radish]

why would you take kinetic barrage over quicken if you're running 6stacks?

[orchid nest]

using the 4 charges I mean

[spring nest]

how do you complete warp battery?

[supple skiff]

pole results are about what I would have expected

[brazen magnet]

keep max warp charges for 5 min continuously

[paper trail]

I mean given surge staff damage is a bit shit it can be nice to help pop a monstrosity or something by letting rip a bunch of BBs faster

[brazen magnet]

its in the description 😛

[obsidian lichen]

Quicken sucks, that's why.

15% reduction on special kill is more than enough. Kinetic Barrage means rapid and cheap casting at max charges. 6 stack BB deals a lot of bonus damage which means you burst DPS a lot in higher difficulties.

[supple skiff]

more vet mains in this channel than trauma users

[hoary hamlet]

lol people bash the gun psyker then they like voidstaff

[supple skiff]

@ me next time

[shell radish]

Is kinetic reflection a good pick?

[supple skiff]

yeah

[echo parrot]

Gun staff best staff. Doesnt even use peril

[supple skiff]

nuts with a force sword with deflector

best way to avoid peril is to play vet

[bright cipher]

321133

[safe raven]

voidstaff is cool, it's exciting not knowing whether you're gonna crash or set your pc on fire by shooting that ball into a horde

[echo parrot]

Nah. When you play vet you are just trading peril as a mechanic for peril as Ogryn in LOS.

[supple skiff]

very fair

[obsidian lichen]

[shell radish]

the bottom perk is 3 right? lol

[supple skiff]

played psyker to 30, just fired up a vet. 2 missions of body blocking big man's and scarce ammo got me back on my space wizard

[bright cipher]

yes

[severe laurel]

Why was the ammo scary?

[safe raven]

maybe it was enemy ammo

[supple skiff]

lmao missing a c in there

[echo parrot]

mimic ammo

[severe laurel]

That would be a terrible phobia for a veteran

[echo parrot]

agreed

[heavy zealot]

ok so it's still early game for this character but that BLESSING

[pure lion]

What curio combo should I be running?

[severe laurel]

I'd say as many as possible

[obsidian lichen]

No curios, no clothes. They block your psychic powers.

[shell radish]

IT IS A GOOD PAIN

[heavy zealot]

I CAN'T CONTROL IT

[prisma minnow]

When running void how do you deal with multiple elites?

[obsidian lichen]

Next update Fatshark are dropping the Tinfoil hat specials that are immune to BB.

[obsidian lichen]

Scream and run away.

[heavy zealot]

tinfoil hat that turns you into a blank

[echo parrot]

You use melee or spam BB if you are using final feat 3

[supple skiff]

spam force sword alt fire

[echo parrot]

You bastard

[paper trail]

If you are on Malice or below you just slap them in the face with warp balls until they die

[severe laurel]

The Balls of Chaos

[bitter orbit]

Or get axe and smack them in the face with it

[bright cipher]

baws in your jaws

[paper trail]

On Malice I rarely even need to ever change weapon voidstrike just slaps everything about the place

I wish it worked in higher difficulties better its just so much fun

[bright cipher]

i think the game should disable lower difficulties once you clear enough raids on a difficulty

[bitter orbit]

Purge master race

[paper trail]

That is a quick way to get people to ragequit the game probably lol

[bitter orbit]

Ngl every time I get another psyker on my team with purge. There is low key a competition...

[bright cipher]

force people into self improvement

do not be content with malice

or heresy

damnation is peak imperium of man form

[obsidian lichen]

Damnation is fun unless you're running pubs.

[paper trail]

Even on Heresy pugs are aids

people get split up so easily

[obsidian lichen]

Sorta, but at least on Heresy you can still put enough effort in to carry a couple bad eggs.

Damnation is just chaos. Way too many elites to deal with if your allies suck.

[magic gull]

does anyone know how curio " +15% toughness renegeration speed" work with essence harvest

[shadow helm]

Wait you guys get team mates on the higher dificulties ? #cryinginxboxpass

[magic gull]

does it make it shorter than 5s, or just generate more in 5s

[wet finch]

seriously, what is up with people running off? Sooo many times when there's an objective to do ppl just seem to run as far off the objective as possible. I guess it is what it is when running pugs.

[paper trail]

I more hate when there is a nice bottleneck but they decide to stand somewhere just past it and try to 360 fight off a horde like a bad kung fu movie

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-lee-kung-fu-fighting-skills-gif-16410186

[tranquil fiber]

If this was me, for Surge staff, I'd probably go 1/ 1 or 2 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 1 or 3

[wet finch]

yeah well this too lmao. trying to use flamer is also a no-go, since everyone flocks to your flame and leaves ur back uncovered 🙂

[tranquil fiber]

I feel like Surge could benefit from having your ability up frequently

since you're ccing right so having knockdowns more often seems more useful and dispelling any Peril you have

[candid temple]

24% warp resist tho

[tranquil fiber]

I haven't used 1 for Perk 3 for tier 1 Feat

what does everyone else think of it?

[polar fossil]

Finally hit 30! Any builds you guys think I should try? Just finally got my force IV

[tranquil fiber]

Replenish 5% toughness for 10% peril

[candid temple]

yes it's great.

[tranquil fiber]

do you find it useful @shell radish

[candid temple]

it's either that or the 10% on kill with void

[tranquil fiber]

oh really?

I might give it ago

I'm mostly using replenish 30% warp charge gain

[bright cipher]

you posted a good kung fu movie tho

[shell radish]

yee

[river willow]

I like the toughness from quell because warp charge gain is hard when you're in a situation where you need to gain toughness back quickly. Though the warpcharge one is very nice for dealing with groups of ranged enemies safely

[formal osprey]

Ok, ive come to a disturbing conclusion.

[wise mesa]

me when I roll a 80% charge, peril resistance and vent peril % on a surge staff:

[formal osprey]

Damage and burn on the purgatus staff are dump stats

[wise mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[formal osprey]

This

is worse than

[river willow]

Why?

[bright cipher]

yes

youre absolutely right

[severe laurel]

Look at the damage increase...

[candid temple]

44% warpresist is 🚮

[bright cipher]

purge dmg is poo poo

purge has worse dps than void

[severe laurel]

Does the dot it does do a lot of damage?

[bright cipher]

and worse cc than surge

[river willow]

The warp resistance and quell speed being more important?

[bright cipher]

using purge is for the uneducated and inexperienced

[river willow]

Now you're just being mean

[formal osprey]

The damage increase on the dot is negligable aswell is the aplication rate

[bright cipher]

im being real

thank god i play psyker cuz if i saw a psyker join my damnation group with a purge id stop the raid right there and then at the start

[formal osprey]

I used to feel that was aswell, it really depends on team makup

[bright cipher]

1 zealot with a flamer completely negates purgatus' entire niche

[river willow]

I like the high stagger, stops ragers

[bright cipher]

while doing more dmg, bigger aoe and providing more cc

[bright cipher]

u know what else has high stagger and hard stuns EVERY special and elite reliably?

surge

[steady aurora]

Nova

[formal osprey]

Not exactl true, the zealot would serve in those situations much better with his melee weapon out

[bright cipher]

why not both?

spread some fire across the horde then run in with melee

[river willow]

Fire staff go fyoom, great at hordes when paired with a chainsword

[formal osprey]

What you are describing is role redundancy, the thing is everything gets worse when you have multiple of it

[bright cipher]

even psyker only utilizing his staff or melee is playing suboptimally

[formal osprey]

I agree entirely

[bright cipher]

thank you for saying this

[paper trail]

including damage role?

[bright cipher]

i hope you have fun with chainsword

but that says everything i needed to know

[formal osprey]

I have my staff for hoard clear and CC, I have a dueling sword for 1v1 melee and I use BB like a mother fucker because I use the level 30 perk

[bright cipher]

the 3rd one?

[river willow]

The whole kit matters and how it meshes with each other

[bright cipher]

i use it just cuz it doesnt consume stacks

[formal osprey]

Its so good, people are just asleep on it

[formal osprey]

when you ogryns just pop it and BB you can delete them so fast

[river willow]

Dude right, love using it to deal with groups of ogryns

[bright cipher]

imo the BB part of it is a nice situational bonus and kind of meh but the other 2 consume warp stacks

on damnation the psyker isnt the one whos job it is to kill ogryns

your job is to hard stun 5 crushers at the same time for 10 seconds

[prisma minnow]

does Purg staff stagger elites?

[bright cipher]

unreliably

the smaller ones usually

big lads ignore it

[formal osprey]

Using a purg staff on elites is always a mistake

[river willow]

I don't really trust randoms to do their jobs, maybe that's where we're differentiating

[vestal rose]

purgatus performs completely fine for its role while not using ammunition, though
it's a tradeoff

[bright cipher]

you dont play damnation with randoms

[livid wraith]

Flamer is most ammo efficient consumer in the game.

[cyan echo]

it can be done 😄

[river willow]

See that's the issue here

[prisma minnow]

I'm a Surge user so was just wondering what utility if any Purg had with elites, and the answer is none 😛

[formal osprey]

I play heresy for the most part, ive never completed a t5 mission because I dont have friends.

[river willow]

Playing with groups vs randoms

[vestal rose]

sure, I love the flamer
its just that purgatus does the job as well as you need the job done, and leaves more ammo
both are nice
wrong reply oop

[bright cipher]

do you play damnation?

[river willow]

Yes

[formal osprey]

Surge is for elites, but then you need to spec your melee to deal with hoards. Its basicly the other way arround when you use purge.

[river willow]

^

[prisma minnow]

Good summary.

[bright cipher]

the thing is in DT, horde clear isnt a niche role

locked to 1 or 2 jobs

its a non issue

everyone can horde clear

so what else do you bring to the table?

[formal osprey]

I use a deuling sword 5 and it cuts a bitch, I did however get my 120 kills in 30 seconds unlock with my purg yesterday, so I know its doing damage aswell 😛

[bright cipher]

zealot brings a flamer and a good frontline

ogryn brings good melee cc and protection

vet brings elite extermination

psyker brings cc

[bleak tulip]

:/

[livid wraith]

Zealot can horde clear so good he can hold like 3-4 spawn avenues at once by himself. Purgatus cant do that shit kekw.

[bright cipher]

everyone brings horde clear

[bleak tulip]

its not the good good one

[paper trail]

What way are people playing the purge staff to maximize stagger?

[river willow]

That's what your group does at least

[formal osprey]

Problem is I ran into a pug group yesterday where everyone had flamethrowers and an ogryn.

[prisma minnow]

what are the top tier zealots running? flamer and chain sword?

[formal osprey]

We got fucking destroyed by shooters

[bright cipher]

no im saying everyone horde clears or someone is slacking on their job and you should do more than that to benefit your team

[river willow]

Yes

[formal osprey]

Seriously tho, try the BB thing. Next time you see a group of ogryns, just F and then pop them. it makes the shield stagger hard for your shooters and it does a shit ton of damage. We are just pissed in general that it doesnt scale

[river willow]

Maybe just give it another try next time you play

[livid wraith]

Zealot doesn't horde clear with flamer. He map clears with flamer. you can relieve so much pressure that purgatus cannot dream of relieving.

[formal osprey]

Again, this depends on the most important stat on the purg, cloud.

[livid wraith]

right, have fun not reaching anything with 14m range

the flamer can deal with ranged if you can move and use your F properly. Psyker cannot achieve that

[river willow]

If only psyker had a long range attack

[formal osprey]

At 80

[bright cipher]

Flamer is 20m

[livid wraith]

With gap closer

[bright cipher]

True

[livid wraith]

yeah have fun BB'ing on damnation while you screw your team over thinking "wow i'm so helpful"

[dusky lantern]

ordo farming less goooo

[formal osprey]

Wow, hey no ones likes that attitude.

[river willow]

Is that really necessary dude

[paper trail]

Only one gap appears to need closed around here

[bright cipher]

BB might as well be the same as downtime spent doing nothing 90% of the time on damnation when you could be doing something more useful for the team

[livid wraith]

I mean if you want to be a smart ass and say something like "If only psyker had a long range attack" when you don't know what you are talking about then be prepared for a clap-back.

[formal osprey]

You know, this might end up biting me in the ass. But go fuck yourself mate.

[spare niche]

just go gun psyker then u got ranged

[livid wraith]

uh huh my feelings hurt

[heavy zealot]

is the force sword x stab supposed to give you a stack of G?

the animation makes it look like you brain bursted them

but you don't get a stack

[paper trail]

I though the context was dealing with a singular ranged mob that was being problematic and the two approaches were, use zealots F to close the distance and kill with flamer ammo, or just swap to BB and stun/blast it from max range behind a wall

[livid wraith]

The context is the flamer can deal with a whole room of ranged much better than a purg staff. You can close the gap and have much further range on the flamer, so you can deal with things much sooner and safer than psyker can.

[river willow]

I wish revolver was a little better, I liked it a lot in the closed beta but the staffs are just so much better

[formal osprey]

I feel like you should be over in the zealot channel for multiple reasons.

[river willow]

They have the one true faith

[vestal rose]

there's a lot of situations where you can't do that, though, and with purg or flamer you're really just waiting for someone with range to go deal with them

[paper trail]

Alternatively then a psyker on your team instead of purge staff could use surge staff which would ultimately be what, the same arguement? Are you basically saying a zealot with a flamer ultimately trumps the entire psyker class in the game and psyker should not be played at all?

[livid wraith]

I feel like people should have fun on purg if they want to, but to argue in any context that its better than flamer is heresy.

[paper trail]

Was anyone arguing that?

[river willow]

Did anyone argue that?

[ornate hamlet]

bro

have you been here for 24hrs bitching?

you were here yesterday morning too crying about purge

[orchid nest]

I'll say that I won't complain or care if I have a purg user instead of a flamer and the runs are still doable fine but I will be more confident with the flamer being there instead since it just melts everything besides hordes

[deft fiber]

Hi. So, how do I convince randos that I need to kill this monstrosity on heresy+ with my bb alone?🤔

[prisma minnow]

Easy. Don't team with randos. 😉

[spare niche]

all this chat is is people bitching about whats better

its tiring

[prisma minnow]

agreed.

[ornate hamlet]

when u hear a spawn just ask if u can solo it, most people are chill about penances

[tight saddle]

Hey can you guys help me with this Penance? If they say yes then there you go, if they say no wait for another group. Most Heresy groups are okay with it since Monsters aren't a threat.

[orchid nest]

I offered to tank a daemonhost for a guy on 4 so he could do it and he didn't even respond 😦

[paper trail]

oof

[deft fiber]

That's rough.

Ok, I'll continue my tries, have no luck so far😂

[paper trail]

every psyker should level and Ogryn wit ha shield and have a weekly pennace group that goes in with 3 shields and a psyker jsut to get them the pennance

lol

[orchid nest]

I would def. suggest daemonhost though for pugs if you have a shield ogryn or a peril blocking psyker with a non force weapon. most people are good about skipping them on heresy which gives you plenty of time to ask in chat

[deft fiber]

Sounds like a plan

[paper trail]

what are people finding the best non force weapon? Axe?

[bleak tulip]

axe or duelling

[river willow]

I can never get myself to like the dueling sword

[deft fiber]

Catachan good all arounder I believe. But I have no evidence for that.

[river willow]

It's cool but feels ineffective

[orchid nest]

antax is pretty popular for the versatility

[river willow]

Maybe I'm just doing it wrong

[tight saddle]

Channel your inner Saltzpyre

[river willow]

See there's the issue, I played mostly kruber

[pallid dock]

I cannot not use FS.

[river willow]

And because of that I like the one sword with the basically one handed sword moveset

[grizzled iris]

Which dueling sword have you tried?

[bright cipher]

Shit hits like a wet noodle

[river willow]

Most recently the one with the 4 hit of diagonals, heavies are stab then sweep

Don't have the mk off the top of my head

[grizzled iris]

Okay maybe that is why, try to find an mk v, get high dmg, finesse and first target on it. And use the heavy attacks mostly.

[potent echo]

mk 2, its not as good as mk 5

[grizzled iris]

Sounds like mk II

[potent echo]

mk5 is ballin

[river willow]

Gotcha, will look out for mk5 in the shop then, thanks!

[potent echo]

mk5 heavies are all overhead swings, you can heavy-heavy-light loop for 3 overheads each time

[orchid nest]

Yeah I prefer antax but I will agree mk5 duel is legit and I can see why some people would prefer it

[timber fable]

I have some questions about Psyker feats

[prisma minnow]

how does peril blocking work exactly? it just builds peril? and if so how do you quell it fast enough to keep tanking the attacks?

[grizzled iris]

It takes some time getting used to, but it is a good weapon

[potent echo]

with a decent mobility mk5 you can kite entire hordes by side dodging 3 times and then sprinting

[livid wraith]

Mk5 is dodgeleap status. Thats why you would take it.

[grizzled iris]

Well, that and it's super fast overhead heavys

[orchid nest]

blocking with peril on a non force weapon doesn't slow down the fast passive quelling so it just decays as you are gaining the peril

[timber fable]

For level 5 Quietitude is the best because you will get toughness back from Battle Meditation and you can hit your F key as an "Oh shit!" button while Essence Harvest doesn't give you toughness regen when you're at max Warp Charges correct?

[prisma minnow]

I want to tank a demonhost but am afraid I'll do it wrong and look like an idiot

[twilit comet]

Alright - I did some number crunching on the % damage boosts from Psy Wrath and Warp Charges, as there were words floating around that it wasn't working. It appears to be working as intended. https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psykinetics-wrath-damage-not-as-stated/66606/3?u=mezmorki

[pallid dock]

you get warp charges even at max, they just refresh the timer

[twilit comet]

With the caveat that I don't know the formula for how warp charges stack, so at 4+ warp charges the numbers stray from expwected

[orchid nest]

daemonhost can push the limits on peril blocking but you can still just sit and block for awhile. save your F for when you hit 80% for the first time and try to land some dodges here and there to slow down your peril gain

[timber fable]

I know you can get Warp Charges at max stacks but it felt like it wasn't giving me more toughness regen

[paper trail]

I can see why you would use quietude though if not using the auto BB or 4% chance talent

[tranquil fiber]

I've just had two runs with it

and gotta be honest kinda prefer it than the other two

[prisma minnow]

thanks for the tips!

[tranquil fiber]

I think if you have a warp charge proc build Feat 1 Tier 1 is the best

but if you aren't, Quietitude is a good pick also

[twilit comet]

This has been my experience too. During heavy fighting the level 25 talent alone is nearly a warp charge every 15-20 seconds

[timber fable]

So then my next question is what are the different Psyker builds?

[brisk plume]

Deflector on a dueling sword would be awesome

[tranquil fiber]

builds are decided by the staves you use, either go warp charge generation / dps / cc

[potent echo]

111112 forcesword / purgatus

[primal aurora]

Deflector on a void staff would be awesome :d

[tranquil fiber]

and now deflector builds are appearing

[potent echo]

6 warpcharges delete all riflemen with F

[tranquil fiber]

ie, tank psyker??

honestly haven't found the purge build that consistent as I'd like

[primal aurora]

I'm at lvl 30, got all penances except 7 heresy missions and 100 total, but I still can't roll decent Force sword with Deflector

[potent echo]

i just listed one i use that on damnation all the time

[tranquil fiber]

training room wise looks good but in actual field testing, people kill the soul flame targets before I get regeneration on warp charges

I may spent 6 and get like maybe 1 or 2 if im lucky

Probably really good for organised groups

[jovial frigate]

our prayers have been answered

[tranquil fiber]

ill have a look at it

[primal aurora]

Personally I don't understand fire staff. I can't play with it, somehow feels very underwhelming.

[tranquil fiber]

where was it posted? on here?

[potent echo]

you farm charges in ambient, press F at 6 charges and watch things melt, during hordes is where you truly shine

#psyker-class message

build doesnt start showing its strength until heresy/damnation where hordes are actually a threat

[undone quiver]

Peril block is hilarious

[timber fable]

So if I want to use the fire Staff would I do something like this?

[undone quiver]

I just tanked a daemonhost on 3 for like

a billion years

[potent echo]

purgatus on low difficulty doesnt work that well becasue if burning targets are killed by teammates then dont proc the 10%

[undone quiver]

My team left, cuz we thought I was dead. They then came back and I was still just... fine

[jovial frigate]

just had a fat ogryn pull a daemonhost on t5, was able to blocktank it until it despawned. it's pretty gud

ogryn got succed tho

[undone quiver]

As it just

[flint sky]

Boltgun destroys brainburst

[undone quiver]

We da real ogryn

[flint sky]

who could have guessed

[fresh reef]

Imagine needed to use a special stance to block a daemonhost

[tranquil fiber]

probably want:
1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 2

[jovial frigate]

ah yes 100 dps vs metal bars being shot as projectiles

[primal aurora]

Did your Zealot try to kill you? Because lone Psyker somehow alive near daemonhost is very SUS.

[flint sky]

I know idek why it was a debate...

[undone quiver]

Zealot did leave

[tranquil fiber]

Purge needs warp charge generation.

[potent echo]

peril block is really good, each blocked hit only gives you like 1%

[tranquil fiber]

can't be played without it

[bold flint]

i say in text chat that im exited i got my pants penance for psyker, and of course it had to be the other psyker in the group to be bewilderingly toxic

[timber fable]

are the tiers:
1
2
3
or
3
2
1

[tranquil fiber]

I'd probably argue Psychic Aura is better than Psychic Communion on Tier 3 [ 1 v 2]

[timber fable]

sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm just trying to be sure

[flint sky]

123

[spare niche]

123

[jovial frigate]

theres a couple mobs that will cave your head in tho

[tranquil fiber]

12 3 going down ,

[timber fable]

tyvm

[tranquil fiber]

np np

[potent echo]

yea you dodge those, but with peril block you are a revive king

[tall dune]

Psyker penances are so frustrating the class becomes boring to play just for that

[spare niche]

i love it

u just are untouchable

LOL

[tranquil fiber]

this is because the purge build is dependent on having your ability up.

[spare niche]

ive done all the dumb penances

i just have heresy levels and missions left

then im good

[primal aurora]

same

[potent echo]

in practice by the time you need your F again its already up, extra cooldown isnt that needed

[native copper]

can some 1 help me get going out with a bang ?

[potent echo]

you can play with it and decide which one you like more

i like the 4%

[tranquil fiber]

So you're saying you need only 1 F per horde fight on damnation and heresy

[tall dune]

The blowing yourself up penance is just plain stupid, depending on luck to do; even if mobs spawn before you get to them they'll be dead bc teammates; solo brain burst? Pray that people understand English/read chat (tried already 15+ times and people just keep shooting the boss)

[tranquil fiber]

I think thats fine if you aren't playing any special modes...

[potent echo]

you purge staff, until you need extra space

if you F at 6 charges, nothing is gonna live

[tranquil fiber]

but with the specials horde mode I needed at least two F's to make it worth while

[spare niche]

beswt thing to do with going out with a bang is just get an ogryn or someone to grab a load of enemies and then u just load up urself and then go bang

[potent echo]

i just finished damnation with high intensity though

[tranquil fiber]

Yeah you're kind of counting on your team mates to mow down all the targets lit up

all F is doing is throwing 6 stacks of soulblaze on em

[potent echo]

usually i hold one direction, F in another direction to help my team

[tranquil fiber]

then you fire on top

[potent echo]

then usually its clearup afterwards

[gentle rose]

hmmm can one get the solo brain burst on a daemonhost? an ogryn with a slabshield and a couple of friends who are willing to not attack it might be the best way to pull that off if so

[tranquil fiber]

tbf its up to your playstyle

I favour consistency over burst damage.

[potent echo]

yea you can experiment to see what you like

[tall dune]

In my experience people have just either trolled or refused to do anything like that or similar

[potent echo]

im just sharing what i use and find success with

[timber fable]

Oh I see what this build is doing now! You stack up Warp Charges while burning a horde, press your F key once you get to max charges and expend your charges to do more damage and you can generate more stacks to keep your toughness up.

[spare niche]

use this for malleus monstronum

Level 10: Inner Tranquility
Level 15: Psychic Communion
Level 20: Kinetic Shield
Level 25: Warp Battery
Level 30: Kinetic Barrage```

and an ogryn in LFG

[tranquil fiber]

with damnation and heresy, I think you'd get more value from 15% cooldown reduction over 4% chance on kill

[vague quail]

Does "Psykinetic's Wrath" (bonus damage based on peril) count for staff attacks?

[tall dune]

That probably might be the only solution I guess

[tranquil fiber]

Malice and below 4% warp charge on kill is better

[spare niche]

its the easiest

[potent echo]

10% doesnt count targets killed by your team, 4% does

it just gives more consistency

to get 6 charges by the time you need it

[tranquil fiber]

I'm not talking about the brain burst

im talking about combat ability 15%

[potent echo]

im not either

[brisk plume]

Is this a bug? I thought it was from any source as long as it has our dot on it

[tranquil fiber]

so whats the 10% that you are referring to?

[potent echo]

not sure if bug, ascendant blaze does count if you burn an enemy and kill it with melee/brainburst

but if your teammate kills it, doesnt ever proc for me

[tranquil fiber]

the last hit has to be from soul blaze

thats why I found the build problematic sometimes

[potent echo]

doesnt need to, theres video proof of it

like some weeks ago

[primal aurora]

only your soul blaze or any soul blaze?

btw what 4 psykers with flame staffs would look like?

[potent echo]

i have 4% on all the time, so im not sure even when im running with another purge psyker

i had 3 flame psykers and 1 zealot before

zealot was chillin

only rev for elites

[timber fable]

@tranquil fiber what would my build be for the lightning staff and what build for voidstrike staff?

[flint sky]

bad

[young frigate]

emperors generosity

[spare niche]

i pray for u

[young frigate]

pray for the emperor instead

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/император-императорчеловечества-emperor-vtuber-bois-vtuber-gif-19620180

[tranquil fiber]

unsure for Voidstaff, but for Surge ideally just warp charge generation or ability cooldown management

[potent echo]

depends if your map has ranged enemy spawns though, like factory strike doesnt really have ranged spawns in finale its amazing

[tranquil fiber]

I'm testing:
3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 3

at the moment.

[timber fable]

is the Trauma staff any good?

[tranquil fiber]

I would avoid it, personally.

[spare niche]

its okay but nah

[tender cipher]

If you get a good one you can make it work, but it's going to be a play style adjustment.

[tranquil fiber]

If you like the playstyle try make it work.

[tender cipher]

Basically need all 80s.

[tranquil fiber]

but most people find it difficult or more than its worth to apply it to higher difficulties

[bitter orbit]

I want a Slaanesh cult

[timber fable]

I didn't like it and it felt like it was worse than the other options

I figured I would ask to double check though

Tyvm for all the help everyone!

[tranquil fiber]

don't be afraid to try out the Recon Lasgun

some Psykers enjoy that

[timber fable]

Oh I already did

It's fun

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-warhammer40k-spacemarine-armour-laser-gif-17566336

[tranquil fiber]

I've enjoyed it here and there but much prefer staffs

[young frigate]

perks somewhat decent, base rating kinda poor tho

[timber fable]

My first thought with the lasgun was to use the feat that increases non-warp dmg by 15%

to kill bosses

[young frigate]

alright yall

give me a voidstrike build

[tranquil fiber]

yeah its good for that and brain burst procs as well

makes clearing specials quite enjoyable

likely good for speed runs

but too soon to tell

[timber fable]

so for the level 10 feats it's either 1 or 2 it seems

if you want to use brain burst more often you take 2 right?

actually wait I can just test this

duh

[tranquil fiber]

most people choose 2 on the level 10 feats

[undone quiver]

Is there a build

[tranquil fiber]

I think Purge you almost always want 1

[tranquil fiber]

probably, I don't have one

[undone quiver]

I mean, does it synergize with anything

[tranquil fiber]

off the top of my head, I'd look towards passive brain bursting and maintaining warp charges

[candid temple]

Purge has super lower base damage so +5-15% isn't going to be relevant.

while warp resist will let you purga more

[tranquil fiber]

does it apply on charge up?

[pallid dock]

depends on the melee. with FS you can abuse those 15%.

[tranquil fiber]

This is @potent echo area so I'd likely let them talk more on Purge

[dusky lantern]

Got this in my psyker shop -_-

[candid temple]

Mmm, will you hit any breakpoints with that 15%?

because otherwise it's irrelevant

[lethal plover]

Recon lasgun takes like half a magazine to kill some stuff

[pallid dock]

have to sim the fs in question, I suppose.

[dusky lantern]

base stat almost 380 tho :[

[tranquil fiber]

I'd take it anyway

shop gives rolls why not

[spark gale]

Does anyone know if this is good?
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uc97mEQE6UYo9vLiYdwcE1n0b8jkIx3wnZokqAS-Aj4/https/i.gyazo.com/06481144bbec3045c44fe2d5f6bfbb96.png

[livid wraith]

The real sin of using recon las is everyone thinks its a sniper when you shoot over them.

[tranquil fiber]

the rating lets it down

[dusky lantern]

charge rate and damage sucks

[lethal plover]

the damage is currently bugged (lower than it should be)
but it provides a mix of horde clearing, and control (it knocks down crushers, bulwarks, dogs, bursters etc.)
So somewhere between surge and void. though knocking down crushers is unique

[tranquil fiber]

the blessings are decent

[dusky lantern]

keep for blessing to put on a better staff later lmao

[tranquil fiber]

Stat rating 360-380 is where you want it to be

[pallid dock]

is terbarrage on you or on target?

[spark gale]

Thanks guys. What ratings are good for each quality level or does it not change with level?

[tranquil fiber]

It must be on the player, cause if it was on the target it would be dead to apply the debuff

[solid lake]

I don't get why everyone loves it, still not seen it do anything on my purg staff

[pallid dock]

it's passice CC on purge, I see the appeal. less so on void

[tranquil fiber]

probably won't see it that good on Purge because most things are staggered from your flames to be able to shoot

[maiden wolf]

The heavy accatran pierces targets, you should try running this with a melee focused build, might be good.

[tranquil fiber]

Void is devastating at ranged so I can't see it being that great? but niche in some areas

personally I'd take charge time and no interruption on void

[pallid dock]

no interruption is slept on in general. super comfy on purg

[tender cipher]

Purg is nice because you can spray in a wide area and things will die where as void you still have to aim which means your targeting is going to exclude other mobs

[lethal plover]

Yep it's geometry. The staves are different

[tranquil fiber]

I'd like to see how the Hipfire while spirnting works with charged staffs

[tender cipher]

It doesn't.

You can only primary fire

[tranquil fiber]

ahh fair

then its do do water

[tender cipher]

Otherwise it would be useful.

[tranquil fiber]

then yeah no interrupt and Charge time / Salvo on Void staff

is what I'd like to give a go

[timber fable]

do warp charges increase the damage on the force sword basic attack?

[thick surge]

just had to be low damage roll : (

[tranquil fiber]

Warp charges increase damage to all 3% a stack

[lethal plover]

Join damnation you fools

There are heretics to purge