psyker-class

[lethal plover]

ever wondered why you don't see Grendyl?

[hot ice]

Just like me fr fr

[lethal plover]

exactly

[weary palm]

i think the warp voices are tzeentch

[leaden swan]

Awesome lol

I'm playing as a girl lol

[cyan echo]

Nurgle in a nutshell

[weary palm]

though it's hard to tell when i only hear NO MOOOREEE

[hot ice]

*they're just schizo

[leaden swan]

Gotcha makes sense

[ripe ice]

The real question is who is the Beloved one of the male voices refer to in dialogues

[lethal plover]

does tzeentch even have the time to talk to us
I'm assuming it's just some lowly demon

[cyan echo]

I think they believe they are talking to the Emperor?

Spoiler: It was not the Emperor.

[modern lion]

Bumped into one psyker named SanestPsykerPlayer. The name was misleading, was pretty fanatical.

[hot ice]

Because Tzeench's intentions are hidden behind 100 schemes, that are actually a front for a dozen plots within plots

[weary palm]

female too also either emprah or getting tricked (getting tricked 110000%)

[compact cargo]

The emperor on occasion, possibly a warp demon and ironically the player on those 2 special down voicelines

3 voices

[bright cipher]

could be the emperor, could be a chaos daemon posing as the emperor, could be a chaos daemon itself

im doubtful its any of the gods themselves

but theres plenty of entities in the warp

[lethal plover]

only ogryn is pure

[bright cipher]

that can fuck with psykers

[lethal plover]

too dumb to hear voices

[hot ice]

Yes Boss

For the Emprah

[cyan echo]

I love ogryns

[modern lion]

what about veterans?

[cyan echo]

"They call me abhuman, is that good or bad?"

[weary palm]

yeah like be'lakor posing as ursun in wh3 intro

[lethal plover]

give him money and he switches sides

[cyan echo]

Ogryns are just too precious

[weary palm]

my ogryn is a bully and he's very mean and not precious

[hot ice]

Nope, depending on your life path/voice, they've mentioned killing civvies/innocents iirc

All under orders ofc

[weary palm]

not a crime if it's an order

[lethal plover]

"i'm just following orders"

[weary palm]

[ripe ice]

So essentially theres no good guys in Warhammer everyone is a baddie

[compact cargo]

Tau are good

[weary palm]

the enforcer psyker seems like a good person

[hot ice]

Wermacht apologists be like

[weary palm]

hope wehraboos don't catch you

[bright cipher]

tau are literally good

in every sense of the way

[hot ice]

Too late, I like krieg already

[weary palm]

how are you liking the helbores

[hot ice]

Ehhhhh, depends on your point of view

[hot ice]

Im not a fan of the lucius lasguns, i dont like the sights

Bayonet charges are fun tho

[bright cipher]

in what way

[hidden coral]

I love them. Really nice restraint and sense of duty, with a real kindness. But they still have that fanaticism that in any other setting would be really scary

I remember my chill Psyker looking at the horrific pile of servitor skulls in the vault mission and was like

"Ah what a relief it is to see, that we can continue our service in death" :D

Stops them from being a bit too fine a bright spot in the crew, which is how a lot of the more optimistic personalities for other classes like Professional and Judge tend to be

[hot ice]

If you dont accept their terms, they will forcefully subjugate you, the general populace are under control of a smaller part of the population

[hidden coral]

Which is cool

[hot ice]

Ok break is over back to work

[hidden coral]

Ye from what I hear about the Tau, they're sort of these colonial oppressive beans. Which is bad but, pretty normal compared to what the rest of the universe does

[bright cipher]

its all about the greater good

theyre like an ant colony

[pure rapids]

it's all about the lesser evil

[livid wraith]

The Tau are under a fragile illusion that threatens security if shattered.

[hot ice]

Whats funny is that in any other scifi universe they would be the bad guys

[ruby merlin]

Dark Eldar don't have illusions about being the good guys, and the Eldar are kinda 'decent' people compared to all the other factions. Orks aren't immoral since they're just having fun and can't comprehend other people not enjoying a good fight.

And Gulliman is way better than the standard Imperial dogma.

Also Tyranids just eat 😛

[livid wraith]

I identify as biomass

[weary palm]

i identify as a miserable little pile of secrets

[lethal plover]

Oppressive? Not sure. You're allowed your own culture as long as it does not threaten the greater good. That's a good deal compared to being eaten alive

[bright cipher]

ok but hes literally GW jerking off to empire of man space jesus

[hot ice]

Once Tau have warp sensitive folk, seeing planets collapse due to warp portals will be fun

[ruby merlin]

Yeah, but still better than going full "Kill the heretic, abhor the mutant, purge the xenos" etc.

I think Tau are psi negative in lore right?

Like being around some Tau actively weakens warp effects.

[cyan echo]

I think the tyranids are like that, not sure about the Tau

[hot ice]

Its the only way humanity can survive in that universe sadly

[ruby merlin]

Personally I think the Imperium is one of the most traditionally 'evil' faction in the universe. At least the Dark Eldar don't pretend to be the good guys 😛 .

[hot ice]

Makes cool af martyrs tho

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice Eh I feel that's partly imperial propaganda.

[hot ice]

Idk man, when almost all other races are willing to KoS, i think its a reason why

[livid wraith]

I don't think most preach or believe that they are 'good'. Good is just an understanding that its for the benefit of man's survival. Survival = Good.

[ruby merlin]

If humanity was to be reduced back to the stone age, it's quite possible that eventually the species would rediscover objective thinking, the scientific method and etc.

[livid wraith]

In that frame of thinking they are good.

[ruby merlin]

I think most people in the Imperium do believe themselves to be the 'good' guys.

Like the most moral, most righteous, wisest, most deserving etc.

[livid wraith]

Hmm.. I think Tau are the same without their mind control wizards though.

[weary palm]

no fire warrior bf/gf 😔

[livid wraith]

Orks and Squids are based though

[hot ice]

Thats what led to the age of collapse tho

[ruby merlin]

That's fine, it's like economic collapse. Happens, people build from it.

[hot ice]

AI and shit was the result of all the advances in science and all, and look what happened

[hot ice]

Bro you are trolling rn, the end of the Age of Technology was really bad

A bit worse than a simple economic collapse

[ruby merlin]

Yep, but you could learn the reason behind why it happened, figure out what went wrong, fix it. I know what happened in lore.

It's the same thing, the economic collapse of the Roman withdrawal from Britain for instance.

[hot ice]

You are not taking into account majority of citizens are uneducated

And will stay as such

[leaden swan]

I hope that they add a pvp mode that would be cool!

[ruby merlin]

From heated baths and standard commerce to raiding bandits and heating dung + cannibalism in 100 years.

[hot ice]

Because its easier to send people to the meat grinder when they dont know any better

[pure rapids]

they gotta finish VT2's PvP first

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice I mean the idea is that it only takes one planet with survivors, after 99.99% die, to recover.

[leaden swan]

Oh I see

[pure rapids]

whenever that's coming out

[livid wraith]

[mild lotus]

You have to know the emperor, until he got Horused, was working on that.

[ruby merlin]

Yep, but it's over for him.

The emp screwed up, in any organization you never want to have a keystone thing that cannot be replaced.

[copper plank]

What’s the best sword for my psyker as I mostly use my lightning staff? Wanting the best melee option for when I get a bit caught out with no help

[mild lotus]

And the obscurantism is literally a shield against chaos

[ruby merlin]

A lot of options works, for easy clutching try the antax axe @copper plank

[ornate hamlet]

Combat axe.

[weary palm]

they said caught with no help

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus If most of the galaxy and the Imperium dies, the warp calms down because they feed on emotions.

Yep, antax mk v combat axe is awesome when solo

and no help will come

like 1 vs all clutch

[weary palm]

i'd rather something that has cleave

[ruby merlin]

It has cleave

[mild lotus]

So your answzr to possible anihilation is to kill ourselves

[ornate hamlet]

It has cleave

[ruby merlin]

it one shots 5 enemies at once

[weary palm]

wait no shot

which one is that

[buoyant bobcat]

wtf is this? anyone knows?

[ornate hamlet]

Hold RMB and just keep clickin holding LMB

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus I'm saying that's the natural future for humanity. The Imperium dies, most of the worlds die, some worlds survive and rebuild without stupid dogma crippling it.

[pure rapids]

Antax MK V

[buoyant bobcat]

sometimes see it on maps

[ornate hamlet]

asked earlier, no one said anything.

[weary palm]

anything outside pushstab?

[cyan notch]

some guy said chance of emperor's gift

[weary palm]

supposedly higher/guarantee? of a drop

[ruby merlin]

@weary palm Antax mark v with brutal momentum can one shot 5 normal mobs in one swing on damnation.

[mild lotus]

No the warp will always be there as long as there are people thinking 1nd having emotions

[muted tundra]

Someone said increased chance of emperors gift, I dont know that I believe that though

[copper plank]

I usually have back up from others but those scarey moments where I get separated and overrun I want something that might save my butt.

[buoyant bobcat]

hm...or mb demon host spawn?

[mild lotus]

At best chaos will be weakened

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus The warp is extra bad atm because of all the wars everywhere, plus the Imperium's fanaticism, it's in the lore.

[mild lotus]

But it won't just die out

[ornate hamlet]

for weapon use dagger with deflect, so you have biggest dodge in the game and you can use deflect when you go rez allies. Also use the trait that doesnt require endurence but generate trhreat when you block .

[ruby merlin]

During the time of the Old Ones it was pretty calm.

[hot ice]

@ruby merlin i honestly want the imperium to do better and advance and learn from the mistakes of the past, but its simply impossible unless the emperor ressurects fully/complete rework of the entire framwork of how the imperium runs things

[ornate hamlet]

force sword also works

[muted tundra]

I ran a mission, got a legendary antax, queued the same mission with 30 seconds left, got another legendary antax.

Coincidence perhaps but it left me with a "now I really dont understand how this works" inpression

[livid wraith]

Doubt they would represent daemonhost spawn as the Imperium's symbol.

[mild lotus]

The warp and chaos lashed out at humanity when it was at it's peak

[copper plank]

I have one of this cutlass swords but I can’t seem to hold off many

[ornate hamlet]

do you have deflect on it?

[pure rapids]

#veteran-class has nothing to discuss so they discussing FF14 now

[copper plank]

I not sure I just swing it like crazy when I get rushed 😆

[muted tundra]

[livid wraith]

The dueling swords have impressive dodge distance. That is their strength pretty much. That and weakspot hit damage.

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice Say Emp dies, but Gulliman survives, and keeps one or two worlds intact. He records history, rebuilds society to be less horrible in every way, studies the warp scientifically and builds rules around his new society to weaken it as much as possible. If most of humanity is dead, there's a lot less power for chaos to draw from.

[pure rapids]

[ruby merlin]

Then continues scientific discovery and advancement, but is extra careful concerning the more dangerous tech. We learned from every giant collapse in our past in real history (which was basically like the age of strife in lore).

[copper plank]

I think o might try an axe then

[mild lotus]

Were it so easy

[ornate hamlet]

just try anything with deflect...

[ruby merlin]

I'm just saying it could happen. The Emp has to die for humanity to get out of its status quo.

[livid wraith]

It's just the force sword with deflect.

[wispy bison]

watched a youtube vid that says surge staff is the only good staff, i used it and i can’t seem to understand how its so “op”

[grizzled iris]

Get high dmg, finesse and first target on one, and aim for heads. Things die in 1 hit

[pure rapids]

isn't the emp a perpetual?

[wispy bison]

can anyone explain why its good?

[pure rapids]

CC

[mild lotus]

Not necessarily, if big E return somehow he could win without sacrificing all of humanity

[pure rapids]

hard lock down of HVTs

[idle bay]

Praise the Emprah the fix of accidental explosions from Surge staff is fixed! I had the least stressful game session becaise of it - redlining the Peril and not exploding 🙂

[pure rapids]

particularly elites/specials

[hot ice]

My fanfic is that the Imperium works together with the Tau in joint Research and Development, all the while telling them the dangers of AI, so they dont make the same mistake

I can only dream

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus There's also a pretty cool fan theory out there where the Old Ones are actually using the Tyranids as a reset button of the Warp. Also B E returning is a) giant Mary Sue, b) not as interesting in terms of plot progression.

[idle bay]

He just need to negotiate terms with Silent King 😉

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice I mean Tau, Eldar and Imperium, if they could work together and not be stuck in perma war, would probably be able to do pretty well.

[wispy bison]

are the other staffs good? i want to be a damage dealer rather than just cc if i get bored of stunlocking

[mild lotus]

Guiliman's return is mary sue too

[ruby merlin]

Especially if the Ynnari can kill Slaanesh.

Yeah true, but if Guiliman is a mini mary sue, Emp is a MEGA MARY SUE lol.

[livid wraith]

Surge/Void/Purgatus all can be used in every difficulty. Trauma is trash atm.

[ruby merlin]

At least Guiliman is more limited

[weary palm]

i think all of them are usable but void strike is the goodest one by consensus

[livid wraith]

Who's consensus is that? lmao

[ruby merlin]

Also the Eldar Empire at its height was able to basically keep chaos down, there was a galactic peace because nobody could challenge them. They still have all that tech.

[idle bay]

1. Surge is amazing damage vs Armored, it insta-fries corrupted troopers as well. So it's not just CC.
2. Void staff - is great damage dealer - provided you can do headshots after headshots after headshots. Cleans hordes, kills elites and specials. But you need to do a lot of headshots really quick. And it staggers like hell!

[ruby merlin]

@wispy bison The axe is pretty good at damage dealing, not as good as the void staff, but a really safe horde/elite clear.

I run surge + axe because surge gives you cc when needed, and axe to clear.

[wispy bison]

ill check out void staff then

[hot ice]

Surge + axe is my goto when i want to have as smooth as possible heresy experience

[ruby merlin]

Trauma is fine in a group where you can coordinate chokes too

Yeah surge + axe on heresy or damnation feels super chill.

I really hope they add difficulties above damnation, or hard buff it

then give neat rewards from it too 😛

like special cosmetics, red equips, stuff like that.

[weary palm]

they'll add it with winds of magic warp

[ruby merlin]

Just chaos wastes damnation 3+ please thanks lol

[meager kettle]

What do you do for stacked hordes?

[ruby merlin]

Just axe them, they all die eventually.

[hot ice]

Axe

[ruby merlin]

Same as you would do in vt2

[meager kettle]

Which pattern?

[hot ice]

You're not the only one killing stuff after all as well

Push attack

Just push attack

[ruby merlin]

Antax Mk V axe, one light attack (if you have room to dodge) kills five enemies. If you can't dodge, just push attack them all to death (slower but safer).

[meager kettle]

Which pattern axe*

[ruby merlin]

You can also do one push attack into one light attack

[idle bay]

Axe and Lightning!
Stun by Ligtning and then break distance and chop heads 🙂

[meager kettle]

Cool thanks, I'll give it a try

[ruby merlin]

since the push stuns them

[hot ice]

Yep

Works like a charm

[ruby merlin]

Also use ultimate if there's a pox burster in the horde

[idle bay]

Lots of Pox Hounds died that way

[ruby merlin]

and you can't push dodge back in time

use ulti when it's in mid jump for best effect.

[hot ice]

Bulwarks and Crushers can only watch me inch closer and die to a beheading

[ruby merlin]

Yeah everything dies to the axe, only real threat are gunners/ranged trash if they're not blocked by a horde, but you just use LoS vs them in a horde.

[weary palm]

i miss beam staff frens

[idle bay]

also stunlocking the horde that surrounded 3 Veterans who forgot that they have melee and getting group out of that mess without a scratch is priceless 🙂

[ruby merlin]

@idle bay I don't get how people can not melee as a vet lol, power sword can just melt everything if a psyker is already ccing everything for you.

It's honestly too easy tbh, damnation feels way easier than cata IMO.

[weary palm]

and it's not like chainsword is bad or anything if they're not powerswording lol

[ruby merlin]

Yeah chainsword is not bad, but powersword is just better.

[weary palm]

shovel does work too

[ruby merlin]

Because it melts ogryns too lol

Yeah it all works, just melee.

[idle bay]

After each swipe of powered-up Power Sword i wanted to take a smoke when i leveled up my Vet to 30... By the Emprah that weapon is awesome!~

[weary palm]

PS needs like a charge bar

[ruby merlin]

I mean the thunderhammer is just sad in comparison.

One pox blocks your special, rip.

It's decent at ccing with heavies

but why cc when you just one shot them with a power sword lol.

[idle bay]

It's jury-rigged model as you can clearly see - charge bar is luxury 🙂

[hot ice]

Fact

[weary palm]

random % chance to explode and down yourself then

[hot ice]

Saved many from a backstab this way

[idle bay]

It never happens with even crappiest power swords. Fun fact: in Dark Heresy RPG you can easily hurt yourself by misusing 2-handed chainsowrd Eviscerator 🙂

[ruby merlin]

Power sword could easily be nerfed by giving it the same sort of animation lock force swords have.

and a slow recovery time

so it keeps the lore power, but becomes really clunky, good for emergency burst damage, not great for sustained fighting.

Then vets would have decent reasons to pick the chainsword, shovel, or any other melee weapon.

[idle bay]

I mean is there really a reason to NOT pick the Shovel especially is you a fan of Death Corps of Krieg 🙂

[weary palm]

vet is the only class i enjoy combat knife on

don't ask why idk either

[ruby merlin]

Also slight lore deviation, we know that AIs from the age of strife has survived to the modern day right? In those giant ark things. I believe a novel somewhere said that every single ai on one of those ships actually have a full STC database, but they deem modern humanity to be unworthy of the knowledge. If humanity does mostly crumble, but one world rediscovers more enlightened mindsets and attitudes, those AIs might help again. They clearly don't hate humanity, because at this point they could probably wipe out humanity completely if they so chose.

[empty thunder]

what does soulblaze

[weary palm]

soulblaze make hot

[empty thunder]

do

[ruby merlin]

@empty thunder it's a low dps that's a Damage over time effect.

[empty thunder]

is it good

[ruby merlin]

Only useful in purgatus staff builds.

Not really

it's okay with the staff build

[weary palm]

for fire staff

[empty thunder]

better than 5-15% outright

[weary palm]

fuck no LOL

[empty thunder]

ok

[weary palm]

2 stacks is pitiful

[ruby merlin]

Also screws with fps 😛

[empty thunder]

oof kk thx

[idle bay]

I did as well. Shanking Demonhost to death with it was priceless 🙂 "He will need new kidneys and liver in next host" i said in chat when i did it.

[olive ember]

Thanks to reddit I have now learned that you can indeed get a <5% roll

[weary palm]

nice melee weapon

[wicked grove]

Anyone got tips on how to do pick and mix?

Like best perks etc?

[weary palm]

the level 30 one that gives oyu fast bbs

[wicked grove]

I know that one...

[weary palm]

chasm logistratum i think was the map to do it best on

[wicked grove]

Cuz this thing has me tearing my hair out.

[weary palm]

the one where you drop down and walk out a tunnel onto a bridge

a lot of shit spawns there

[wicked grove]

You mean the one where 3 drag ragers spawn?

[weary palm]

dunno maybe they do

[idle bay]

https://youtu.be/CUWrlTsr8lI?list=PLrge0RGbvsKX7nZg-5wLU_Ha-NV-IwT62 This video may help you. But be wary -it was recorded during pre-order beta.

[wicked grove]

It's literally the last penance I need to earn

[wicked grove]

I was playing during pre order beta

But idk if anything was changed from then to release

[robust meteor]

what this thing doing

[idle bay]

Player on video explains his plan and then pulls it off.

[weary palm]

just chilling out

[warped chasm]

Can I get a team to help me with the "Going out with a bang" penance please? It's actually driving me insane trying to get it

[idle bay]

same... But i will probably wait for solo mode to pull it off.

[weary palm]

get an LFG going i did it that way

you can oneshot shotgunners or 1BB a mauler and get a kill from that

[warped chasm]

I feel like I'm just griefing whenever I go for it

[brave vale]

Psyker needs buffs

[warped chasm]

Shotgunners are specialists, no?

[robust meteor]

fatshark has griefed you. its not your fault

[weary palm]

they count(ed) so

[warped chasm]

It needs to be maulers or ragers

[idle bay]

Not if your team do not mind you doing that 🙂

[brave vale]

I just leveled sharpshooter to 30 and it's so much better but psyker has more flavor

[warped chasm]

This

[idle bay]

Veteran have less stress ....

[robust meteor]

vet is all like pew pew pew, psyker is sweatin bullets keeping those dolts alive

[warped chasm]

I'm only stressed with psyker when I'm going for the penances LOL

[brave vale]

Psyker kit feels clunky and slow, brain burst is too slow and isn't rewarding enough. Veteran plays smooth as butter and makes you feel like you're john wick if u play it right

I really really really hope they change psyker BB or something

idk

[silver dew]

ugh the only penance im having issues with is going out with a bang at the moment

[brave vale]

honestly wouldnt it have made sense if psyker had the ability to see through walls and brain burst people through them

[warped chasm]

same.

The damage drop off is maddening

[cyan notch]

i just wanna target through railings

[silver dew]

yeah you have to be really close.

[weary palm]

maulers best to do it

[robust meteor]

game would be too ez if psyker could 1-2 bb every elite or whatnot

[silver dew]

i even got monstrum before going out with a bang

lmao

[brave vale]

LOL yes, gunners on fucking railings that u can see but dcant target jesus

[warped chasm]

and also not be too close that you go down before you go boom

[bleak tulip]

meat stick

[brave vale]

they should be able to though, u drop everything to channel BB, and ur pretty imobile during it

[robust meteor]

channeling bb is doing something

[brave vale]

It's the core mechanic of psyker, everyone's ability naturally scales because of % but ours don't

[robust meteor]

you can only do one attack action at a time

thats not unique to using bb

[brazen tundra]

Any suggestions for the easiest way to get the monster brainburst penance done?

[brave vale]

Ur not imobile, ur attacks stagger

for veteran

or anything else

[bleak tulip]

vets can 1 or 2 shot most common elites and they dont even have to quell afterwards, their time investment is lower

[brave vale]

^

[dawn orchid]

Bolter go brrrrrrrr

[bleak tulip]

so is the game too ez already?

[robust meteor]

yea with a bolter, thats specialized

[brave vale]

No, the volume of elites is what makes higher levels hard tbh

[robust meteor]

but vet is too strong imo

[brave vale]

Making BB stronger wouldnt make that different that what veteran is already doing

[bleak tulip]

which is what next to everyone brings because of that fact

even the XII does short work with flak armor

[leaden needle]

ogyrn with shield on heresy (if theres a lights out mission apparantly demonhosts spawn more frequently on those) find a demon host get ogyrn to take agro and stand in a corner and you just brainburst demonhost till it dies with other 2 people protecting you. you basically hard need a team of 4 or your gonna have to trust randoms in a match which is a bad time

[weary palm]

i was theorycrafting how warp charges could be max stacks by default and you expend them to brain burst instantly or something

[dawn orchid]

Bolter is 100% meta for a reason, it's extremely good by comparison

[bleak tulip]

and the XII doesnt even have the equip time and reload time of the bolter

[robust meteor]

i mean, can we stop pretending this game is hard and admit that failures come from inexperience or a momentary lapse of judgement

[brazen tundra]

I imagine the only other alternative to get a guaranteed monster is to go into an assassinate missions? I believe the captains count

[bleak tulip]

I dont think anyone who played this game and VT is under the illusion the game is "hard"

[weary palm]

life is easy just don't make mistakes LOL?

[brave vale]

difficulty of the game has nothing to do with balance

[pure rapids]

they do count but are unreliable due to targeting

[robust meteor]

am there with u

[leaden needle]

the demonhost never changes agro so once the ogryn is setup in the corner its basically a free penance

[wicked grove]

Cri

[idle bay]

We need to pretend or FatShark will keep nerfing things.

[weary palm]

i find this game harder than vt2 just because i can't deal with ranged mobs

[wicked grove]

People make it hard.

[bleak tulip]

my brother in christ they have the attempts and success numbers of all missions logged

do you really think they have people wasting time reading our bitching in these channels?

[brave vale]

Damnation with randoms is pretty hard tbh

not finding players is pretty hard

[bleak tulip]

shit even heresy with randoms can be hard

its a breeze with a premade

[brave vale]

I have no friends

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

[bleak tulip]

and therein lies the difficulty

[vivid merlin]

I have no friends and I'm caustic and unpleasant to be around so I can't make any

[idle bay]

Well.. they can do. Since perception is more important than reality.

[wispy bison]

whats a good melee wep

[bleak tulip]

realistically all but the highest of difficulties are gonna be scaled around pug play anyway

[bleak tulip]

FS, combat axe I

[wispy bison]

are the cavalry sabers good?

[bleak tulip]

dunno which types are the "good" ones but theyre fine

some people swear by em and theyre good for passive venting

[wispy bison]

i have no idea how to use the force sword

[vivid merlin]

Mk V Maccabian is my favourite

[hot ice]

Force sword is ez to use

[bleak tulip]

light heavy reset or just slapping LMB, FS isnt a cleave weapon so dont use it as such

[hot ice]

If ur in a shit situation, spam the grab lol

[brave vale]

depends on what ur trying to do

[bleak tulip]

yeah the interrupt on block push is basically a get out of jail free card

[prime rose]

so, just some basic glancing tells me that the dueling swords seem built for the talent that gives a 10% chance to brain burst on attack. is there a major difference between the three variants, and is there a weapon-unique blessing that i want to be looking out for when perusing the shops? also, does that talent proc on something like a purgatus staff's individual ticks too?

[wispy bison]

from what i can understand isnt brain burst good enough for single target though?

[solar wedge]

brain burst on attack is nice for stacks

[vivid merlin]

they're not really built for that, nothing's really built for that, if you take that trait you just get a brain burst every 15-20 seconds unless you're literally not touching anything

[gilded hatch]

Can you evaluate my surge build?

[wispy bison]

also how the heck do i even go about convincing randos to let me get 90% of a monstrosity’s hp with brain burst

[weary palm]

you don't

[vivid merlin]

ask nicely

[weary palm]

you go #vox-lfg-emea

[wispy bison]

thats a good idea

[bleak tulip]

swap 15 talent for 1 imo

[idle bay]

Yup - not of players of Darktide - are toxic monsters, there quite a number of decent ones

[gilded hatch]

My playstyle with this build is: (1) Keep the 4 warp charges flowing with the level 25 talent and bb regularly elites with level 15 and 30 talents, (2) with 4 warp charges and lower ability cooldown, i can spam secondary of surge more frequent

[wispy bison]

i havent tried asking at all because it seems infeasible, it seems so insane

[viscid matrix]

You ask if they are willing to do so, then do your best to get it

Assassination targets count as well, tho I’m not sure if they shield counts or not for the 90%

[bleak tulip]

but I guess as surge you dont need stacks because youre not doing damage anyway

[gilded hatch]

peril resistance and ranged damage reduction

[wispy bison]

is the special buff good on force sword

[bleak tulip]

yes

[wispy bison]

when would i use it vs brain burst

[gilded hatch]

peril resistance and lower ability cooldown is very good with this staff. especialy if you regulary switch to combat axe, which quels faster

[bleak tulip]

in melee

[gilded hatch]

why is level 15-1 better?

[bleak tulip]

its better than BB so if you can stick it you stick it

[wispy bison]

with a heavy im guessing?

[drowsy cosmos]

Messing with the psyker, what the purpose of secondary attack with your hands? Does charging up really do anything?

[bleak tulip]

more consistent charges, 15% reduction doesnt really matter much with how fast everyones skills come back imo

[bleak tulip]

I dont think it matters, once it sticks its always the same afaik

[vivid merlin]

it does matter

heavy does more and is slower

[gilded hatch]

on t5 you kill a lot of specials and elites. you almost spam the ability all the time when you get 100 peril again

also i like the ability to blow away ranged non-elite enemies

which is another stun, besides surge

i am more in doubt about the level 20 talent. ranged damage reduction. i was thinking to use level 20 - 3

[bleak tulip]

I feel like I tried this out and didnt confirm it but im not super sure so fair enough

[idle bay]

?? Did you find it helpful?

[gilded hatch]

charging does a little bit

[vivid merlin]

charging lets you snap off a brain burst immediately once it's full without pretargeting

[gilded hatch]

what i notice that the stun of the surge is a bit longer than you can recharge a new attack with the surge

[wicked grove]

Not really

[vivid merlin]

also the best trait in that tier is the peril block not even a question

[gilded hatch]

it seems you should wait recharging or recharge a bit longer so you have more optimal stun duration

[bleak tulip]

more of a comfort thing and not really helping you all that much I feel like, I'd go with 20 1 for extra options

at least with FS you can just quell while side dodging and still move fine

so you super dont need 20 3

[gilded hatch]

i actually agree with you. peril block is really good. but some reason i never get melee combat with this build. i tried it out with three bots today on t5, can make it to the first horde in 5 minutes later

with team i dont miss peril block. with my voidstaff build, i use peril block which is great

[ruby merlin]

@drowsy cosmos you almost never use it, but the pre charge can be useful if you are trying to insta pop something that's not in your vision yet.

Usually a dog

since you can hear them before you see them

[gilded hatch]

with level 25-3 talent, i can quel more frequent (and get thoughness with level 5-3 talent). So i can stun even more frequent

[bleak tulip]

personally almost never use BB right click, mutants dont care about BB and dogs you can just slap out of the air and they dont die from one BB anyway starting on heresy

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch Peril block is a must IMO

[vestal rose]

I find the pre charge super helpful, mostly because there's a high chance my target will die to the veteran and waste time and peril if I lock on early

[ruby merlin]

do you want to tank a whole horde including multiple ragers? Peril block with normal non force sword weapon

you can clutch so hard with it

[gilded hatch]

i dont bb mutations. surge are better with it (stun). I use bb to kill enemies far away or hard to spot

[bright cipher]

id go 321133 for easier melee cc and clutch carry potential and also more stack uptime, other than that the weapons are dope, id just be on the lookup for a max 80% peril res staff

[gilded hatch]

On my voidstaff build it is, should try it i guess also on surge. But it seems i have more issues with ranged normal enemies (cannot tag them and hit hard on T5)

[ruby merlin]

Psyker is the best carry in the game atm IMO, due to us being the most tanky class that can still easily kill every special in the game.

@gilded hatch in t5, line of sight is a must if you aren't on comms

if you are on comms, try to get someone to gapclose groups of ranged before they split up

afterwards post split, you gotta just line of sight and surge them down safely from cover.

hence why you almost never fight in the open in darktide, not like vt2 where you always want to fight in the open.

because if you are caught in the open by ranged trash, you die, the end.

no ranged except for stupid minotaurs in vt2

[vivid merlin]

ungor archers you mean

[ruby merlin]

yeah those guys

Everyone hates them

[gilded hatch]

i could try that out. Don't like the level 15-1 talent. I know it is more popular, but i don't understand really way. I have played 230 hours now only psyker since closed beta now

[ruby merlin]

but in return close quarters is way easier here

because we can push on 0 stam

[gilded hatch]

but peril block is really good. but only against melee

[bleak tulip]

more charge uptime mostly

[ruby merlin]

Yeah most of the time you're in melee anyway if you're overrun

[gilded hatch]

on T5 it seems i get stunned a bit more frequent (low stamina), when i fight with combat axe. So peril build could help, i guess

[ruby merlin]

if you're not overrun, you can slowly kill off all the ranged with surge

[vivid merlin]

the peril block lets you push attack on 0 stam otherwise you can't

[ruby merlin]

Yep for sure, peril block avoids those stuns.

[bleak tulip]

thats the downside of axe cleave, youre at 0 stam all the time

[wicked grove]

It's like saying "yo just get a bugatti like it's super easy if you got lucky with rich parents"

Like sure...yea it's cool you got lucky...but it doesn't solve the inherent fuckery at play

[bleak tulip]

peril block is goated for that I imagine

[ruby merlin]

@vivid merlin Yeah that's mostly what I was talking about 😛

[gilded hatch]

i agree. On my voidstaff i run peril block. I just thought, more quelling is more stunning, especially ranged, which could compenstate for the peril block

[vivid merlin]

you made it sound like in Darktide you can do it on 0 as baseline

[gilded hatch]

with normal walking quel, i can stun way more frequent

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch also I just scrolled up, you have a godroll axe lol

[gilded hatch]

but that talent is no come-back feat like peril block, i agree

[ruby merlin]

insane to have those two perks at once

@vivid merlin Ah in context I was just talking about our builds lol

But even on other classes it's much easier because every class gets toughness and zero melee damage on one hit.

[gilded hatch]

Yes, i know. He is my best bud 😛

[ruby merlin]

and vet gets an easy weapon to melt hordes with without worrying about melee patterns.

[brave vale]

u guys think its possible for Fatshark to eventually introduce a Admech class

[gilded hatch]

Does peril block also make reviving easier?

[brave vale]

yes

[bleak tulip]

I've not used peril block and still can axe push attack on 0 tho

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch Yep

If you see someone down and it's only melee, just hold block, go revive

you will not be hurt

[gilded hatch]

when are you interrumpted during reviving? when your stamina is down?

[bright cipher]

It basically gives you permanent 24% peril Res without having to worry about maintain the stacks ever

[bleak tulip]

just get staggered when you get hit at 0

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch Only when your peril is maxed and stam goes to 0, or if ranged pops your toughness

[leaden needle]

i revived my friend in an entire horde on damnation all hitting me i took 0 damage

[gilded hatch]

I presume, peril block first depletes your peril than your stamina, and then you are interrupted. Way longer i gress

[ruby merlin]

so snipers etc

[bright cipher]

I have a surge staff with 80% peril res which adds up to 104% and I can spam it all I want all day every day

[ruby merlin]

Yep, it's forever basically.

Next time in a horde, try not attacking

just hold block, see how long you last lol

[vivid merlin]

that peril res on stat is not absolute and additive

[ruby merlin]

that's the room you have to play with

[vivid merlin]

it just affects the base peril gain rate from your weapon, you can inspect for details

[gilded hatch]

does it use the stamina of my axe? staff or only curius?

[ruby merlin]

Axe

[bleak tulip]

whichever is highest

[leaden needle]

you can also ult to lower your peril if you ever get high peril aswell to just tank even more

[ruby merlin]

Staff can't block

[bleak tulip]

you use its stam bar if its your highest

[ruby merlin]

Oh really?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[ruby merlin]

I've never tried XD

[gilded hatch]

hmm, peril block is probably better indeed on T5

[bleak tulip]

really noticable with FS because that shit dont get stam

[ruby merlin]

Gotcha

[gilded hatch]

i notice that i get stunned way more frequent on T5

[leaden needle]

try it once

[ruby merlin]

Yeah t5 is mostly about how to LoS, kill ranged trash

[gilded hatch]

i am going to try out peril block also on my surge staff (already did it on my voidstaff)

[leaden needle]

after that youll see how insanely good it is

[ruby merlin]

and then push forwards to next choke etc

Peril block just buffs base mechanics, makes anyone from vt2 feel invincible lol

[gilded hatch]

i know that is why i prefer quel walking (level 20-3 talent) so i can walk away faster, regain toughness and stun ranged thrash more frequen

[ruby merlin]

like push attacking on zero stam, near infinite block? Yes please.

[wicked grove]

I want one but will it happen? Maybe. I want this game fixed before we start adding content. Cuz this shits broken. Penances produce counteractive team play

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch Just play slower, you'll be fine. Peril block lets you clutch.

As you improve you can push more and play more aggro basically

[bleak tulip]

better positioning, dodge and slide and you wont need it

[ruby merlin]

but if you're new to damnation, slow and steady wins

[brave vale]

I agree, im talking like super far into the future

[wicked grove]

Hell the entirety of zealot being low hp is griefing all over

[gilded hatch]

ti knoiw what you mean. push attack with combat axe with cleave and peril block is god-like

[ruby merlin]

Yep, dodging and sliding is so strong here.

Always dodge slide vs mutants btw

[brave vale]

Watch they're gonna nerf peril block next patch

[wicked grove]

Tbh the game is prob gonna go low on players if we don't see major patches soon. :/

[ruby merlin]

@brave vale I will be sad lol, but I'll try to make it work still 😛

@brave vale Also people will be mad if they nerf psyker before vets XD

[bright cipher]

a skitarii maybe

[wicked grove]

This game doesn't have the content nor reason to keep playing once you hit level 30

[gilded hatch]

vets seems to be more noob friendly

[bright cipher]

no way we get a playable tech priest

[bleak tulip]

there is over 50k players still, games been out for a week

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove We just need damnation 3+

like super hard difficulties, that's why vt 2 players kept going for thousands of hours

[brave vale]

tech priests vary in power dont they?

[ruby merlin]

it wasn't the gear grind, they all had maxed gear

there were people with 7k hours doing true solo on modded difficulties, that keeps the game going.

[bright cipher]

hadron is a tech priest

[wicked grove]

Yes/no.

The ranks do determine how high up you are. However "strength" is very weird with rank.

[bright cipher]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Skitarii

[gilded hatch]

Vet does not have a weakness. Vet should be ranged focussed with great weapons, abilities and feats. But their power sword is one of the best melee weapons in the game

[bright cipher]

this is what is most likely a playable admech character

[wicked grove]

A princeps is more powerful than a Moderati

However a moderati helps the princeps

[gilded hatch]

If vet's power sword is nerfed a bit, they have at least one weakness.

[wicked grove]

A skitarii can sure as fuck kill a princeps

But they have to fight all the way to the cockpit of a titan.

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch yeah, I think we should just get more difficulties or make damnation harder. More specials, more ranged trash and peril block is naturally balanced. Positioning is still king.

[wicked grove]

An archmagos can summon a horde for skitarii and servitors.

[gilded hatch]

i still struggle with damnation 😄

[ruby merlin]

Then make it so that the top difficulties give special cosmetics and maybe red weapons

[wicked grove]

But can they fight against say...a knight house?

[gilded hatch]

About 50% winrate with randoms

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch Yeah, but you're a new player who can pug it right? Not a vt2 vet?

[wicked grove]

The Mechanicus is varied and we have to specify who and what we're looking at

[ruby merlin]

Like in vt2 it took hundreds of hours for the average player to attempt cata.

damnation is just very easy relatively speaking

[gilded hatch]

i have played about 1000 hours of vt2.. I am playing with one of the best VM2 players in the world

[wicked grove]

I mean...I was able to do cata within 80-90 hours.

[gilded hatch]

he was playing cata3 modded

[ruby merlin]

Oh nice 😛

[gilded hatch]

if i play with him, T5 is not that hard

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove You're above average then 😛

[gilded hatch]

but randoms, damn

[ruby merlin]

Yeah damnation with randoms is still doable though.

[wicked grove]

No...just decent gear...

[ruby merlin]

Even with like 100 hours etc.

[gilded hatch]

my friend says T5 is harder than cata in vm2

due to ranged enemies

[wicked grove]

If you roll decent gear, and know how to play as Kerillian...it's not hard....

[ruby merlin]

He might be more used to vt2, I find vt2 cata to be much harder than damnation.

[brave vale]

its a fucking lightsaber

[wicked grove]

It's like being given the answer sheet on a sat test.

[brave vale]

you can kill ogryns with it

and wave clear

[wicked grove]

You just need to fill in the blanks

[gilded hatch]

ffriend of mine does solo runs on cata in vm2

kinda boring to play with him normal cata. he just revives everybody

[ruby merlin]

Yeah it's nice with cata 3+, that's why people kept playing it IMO, lots to optimize.

[gilded hatch]

but he has issues with the shotgunner in vm2 and bulwark

[wicked grove]

I hate the shotgunner.

[gilded hatch]

he tells me: if you kill the shotgunners and bulwark, we win. and he is mostly right 😛

[weary palm]

shotgunners are insane

[ruby merlin]

Darktide is a bit more team based, but it's easier to be a functional member of the team I feel.

[wicked grove]

But honestly this game needs a better hub, full crafting system, and a map select. This table is bs.

[ruby merlin]

We'll get improvements over time I'm sure.

[gilded hatch]

i fully agree

[ruby merlin]

Vt2 on launch was lol as well.

[wicked grove]

All of those features was in vt2

[brave vale]

I haven't played Vt2 since January, is it worth going back to?

[wicked grove]

Why weren't they first implemented I. The game.

[ruby merlin]

It's fun!

[gilded hatch]

i dont understand why i cannot have a private lobby with my friends like VM2. full crafting system needs time, no priority for me. Map select is strange in this game. why should i wait for certain maps to appear?

[ruby merlin]

I love shade tbh.

I really want a dark eldar wych in darktide so I can play that style again.

[brave vale]

I never played at the highest level but I felt like not having frineds to play iwth in VT2 felt worse because I didnt play during launch so I was playing catch up the entire time and no one to show me anything

[wicked grove]

Tbh I think it's tencent trying to keep you on fomo...

[ruby merlin]

They also changed the crafting system mid way through design

[grand gyro]

I just hope for private games. I've have met some "interesting" characters trying to get the cliffhanger penance.

[ruby merlin]

and covid hit, less time to work on the game etc.

[wicked grove]

"Oh we promise the map you want is gonna be on the next weekly rotation! Cmon! Just play some more!"

[tacit fractal]

Hah, Drukhari in the Mourningstar? No

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Gimme my wych >:)

I just want to see the voicelines from the zealot, it'd be hilarious

[wicked grove]

"Hey...we know you don't know which map you need for you 6/7 heresy penance but we promise youll get it eventually"

[tacit fractal]

Zealot would just kill them outright

[ruby merlin]

And that sort of mental anguish would totally feed a drukhari lol.

[wicked grove]

Most of the imperium would kill a drukhari on sight.

[tacit fractal]

Yeah

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Have you heard my psyker? She calls the emperor a carrion lord, and the zealot stays quiet.

[wicked grove]

The only people who wouldn't are rogue traders.

[tacit fractal]

So?

[wicked grove]

Which voice actor is that one?

[ruby merlin]

Loner female, or probably male too

[wicked grove]

Cuz I want the nearly heretical witch...

I got the "Voices" one

And My Beloved is getting old

[tacit fractal]

Guilliman, Yvraine and Cawl too if the drukhari were on Yvraine’s side

[wicked grove]

Cawl wouldn't care.

[tacit fractal]

That true

[wicked grove]

Gilligan the Goody Two Shoes would be on his knees begging to eat em out

And Yvraine would just be happy

[ruby merlin]

I mean drukhari are individuals in that they don't really stick to dogma, and an inquisitor might think there's no harm sending one in as part of a suicide squad.

You can always spin anything in 40k

[twilit meteor]

I need help to know where and how to do the penance: "Cliffhanger" kill 7 enemies with 2 s by knocking them off a ledge

[hard breach]

The mission you need for 6/7 is probably repair. Usually is for me

[ruby merlin]

I just want my wych for gameplay lol

[tacit fractal]

Gillsfam is just chilling, he’s a badass ngl, just the fact how much GW fanboys over Ultramarines sucks

[ruby merlin]

And voicelines where everyone flames each other.

[wicked grove]

I hate the fact there is no visible tracker for the missions you need pisses me off.

[hard breach]

I love loner's flames

[warm bolt]

I don’t know much about 40k lore, but i did want to ask how likely it is four individuals to kill the bosses that we face in the game

[ruby merlin]

Zealot says nothing lol.

[tacit fractal]

Male loner is amazing

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt We're named characters basically

[twilit meteor]

true, but we got the shop atleast xD

[ruby merlin]

Named characters in lore have plot armor and can kill stuff that normal people can't. Plus psykers are pretty strong anyway in lore.

[wicked grove]

I hate the fact we got Guilliman. Not russ, not Vulkan, not Lion El Jonson. No we got the basic bitch white boy.

[ruby merlin]

We could easily take a chaos space marine atm if we can kill multiple daemonhosts in one mission (which we can).

[warm bolt]

Named characters? Is that like the equivalent to the VT2 heroes?

[tacit fractal]

We’re six piece nugget McNobodies in the grand scheme of things meanwhile Morrow, Rannick and Grendyl aren’t

[wicked grove]

The one where in 30k he got all the good spotlight. Suffered no problems and he lorded it over everyone else.

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt Basically yeah, our characters are special.

[wicked grove]

In 40k he then goes "Oh woe is me father I failed you"

[brave vale]

Do psykers need staves in lore to do anything

[warm bolt]

I know at the very least any ‘hero’ from there would stomp the things faced since in TW Warhammer the heroes can take on whole units

[tacit fractal]

The Lion might wake up which is cool cause my faves are Dark Angels

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Given the plot, we're a bit more special now since we're 100% supposed to be dead by the time we hit level 30, running into daemonhosts and swarms of ogryns + poxwalkers.

[warm bolt]

So a single chaos spawn wouldn’t be too bad

[wicked grove]

Duty is a reward in itself, never forget that.

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt Yep, basically the same logic here. Plus a psyker can normally kill a lot of stuff anyway. In lore we'd be the strongest member of the group. Ogryn is also stronger than a space marine, and tougher too.

[wicked grove]

Repent for Tomorrow You May Die.

[ruby merlin]

Just generally have no brains lol

[warm bolt]

Yea, so it’s really just the zealot and vet that

[tacit fractal]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT FUCK lmao

[wicked grove]

The fact the psyker isn't having a tzeentch demon is suspect.

[warm bolt]

Are hella out of their league

[wicked grove]

I love the Dark Angels.

[tacit fractal]

You better not fall down the stairs

[minor elk]

Are any of the dueling swords even worth using?

[tacit fractal]

Mk IV

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt I mean if the zealot is really really zealous they could get some sort of faith based shield given how it all works.

[wicked grove]

They're the first, the honored sons of the lion. And they shall know no fear.

[wicked grove]

The Rock is a cold place.

[warm bolt]

Well i know at the very least, despite being convicts

[wicked grove]

Marred by the sins of those who came before.

[warm bolt]

Our characters are trained

[wicked grove]

Not at first.

[tacit fractal]

2020 has corrupted my brain

[wicked grove]

They're penal legionnares.

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt And the vet could be an aim god, given OP weapons like powerswords and bolters, they could do really well. In lore there's also just normal humans who are descended from the Emperor and just don't know it.

So you could theoretically spin anything

[wicked grove]

You mean the perpetuals?

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Like in lore the Emp did have normal children too, non immortals, but have his genes.

[warm bolt]

Really? I know the vet for the uh, lore background stuff there’s an option where you can have your character be selected to be apart of an elite team

But i know fuck all about 40k so idk what that means lmao

[ruby merlin]

And over time that could be billions of people.

[wicked grove]

Tbh if the dude got laid...he was the most boring guy in bed.

[radiant lance]

Purgatus Staff is good guys.

[wicked grove]

He was fully doing shit Dr. Manhattan was doing. Completely neglecting his partner

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Pretty much lol, but he still had kids at some point. I imagine he tried to experience everything, which would include being a pretty normal person at times.

[next obsidian]

The Inquisition pretty much hunts them down and kills them however

[wicked grove]

The dude is completely an asshole. He fails his primarchs in being a dad.

He pissed off the other perpetuals

[ruby merlin]

@next obsidian Yeah, but there's billions of them, so hard to find out for sure.

[tacit fractal]

Like the thing is that our characters aren’t directly named characters I don’t get the vibe we’re major characters but simply missionaries for Rannick and Grendyl to clean up Tertium and the outskirts of the Hive city, maybe even more things in Atoma Prime in the future

[wicked grove]

The only few who actually like him don't even really care about him

They like his vision

[ruby merlin]

Given that we murder daemonhosts, we are 100% acting like named characters.

@wicked grove Yeah he's an awful Dad, but there's plenty of those around IRL too 😛

[warm bolt]

Yea i could see killing a plague ogryn and beast of nurgle tbh

[tacit fractal]

Good point

[wicked grove]

Ollanious Pious didn't like the emperor due to their completely different ideologies.

[warm bolt]

But a daomonhost?

[tacit fractal]

Daemonhost

[warm bolt]

It seemed out of their league

[restive slate]

Sensei

[ruby merlin]

Beasts of Nurgle are stronger than chaos space marines on the tabletop already.

So yeah we're very strong.

[wicked grove]

Daemonhosts in game are probably low tier.

In tabletop they're a joke.

[ruby merlin]

Especially given that we can fight both a daemonhost and a beast of nurgle at the same time in this game, and potentially win.

[wicked grove]

You can murder a daemonhost with a meltagun

[tacit fractal]

Probably just posessed by some low grunt plaguebearer

[ruby merlin]

You can murder anything with a melta though

well a lot of stuff anyway

[next obsidian]

Daemonhosts are expected to be killed by Acolytes in Dark Heresy aswell.

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal If you listen to them, they say "I am a warrior" sometimes, indicating they were once rejects.

[wicked grove]

Yup

[ruby merlin]

and "Emperor why has thou forsaken me"

[tacit fractal]

Ye

[next obsidian]

Just a few of last years batch of psykers

[warm bolt]

Man they’re fucking creepy lol

[ruby merlin]

But yeah vet could potentially have special genes, giving them near superhuman reflexes, aim and etc.

[tacit fractal]

What exactly?

[ruby merlin]

Zealots are basically on the verge of being chaos worshippers and empowered by the warp.

[warm bolt]

Daemonhost lol

[tacit fractal]

Yes

[wicked grove]

Tbh the Psyker is actually in a lot of danger psychically.

They're in a demon infested zone with active demons in the area who can easily corrupt or get in their head.

[next obsidian]

Zealots worship Big E

[wicked grove]

So it's not hard to get inside a lowly trained psyker or even a latent psyker

[ruby merlin]

@next obsidian Yep "Blood for the God Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne".

I wonder what Khorne thinks of that lol.

Either way it seems like you could lorespin away Zealots being empowered by the warp pretty easily.

[warm bolt]

Yea i remember hearing that and being like

[wicked grove]

I mean remember when Matt ward wrote the grey knights murdering a army of sisters cuz of their pure maiden blood would help them kill demons of khorne?

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Our pyskers in lore are pretty powerful I think, being able to actively shoot lightning, brain burst etc.

[tacit fractal]

If they offer skulls for the Golden Throne doesn’t that bless them with Khornate stuff?

[wicked grove]

They start as a level 1 psyker. But level 30 they're a level 3.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Yeah that sort of thing is exactly why the Emp didn't want people worshiping him. Think it all empowers chaos one way or another.

[next obsidian]

There is a lot of speculation that Big E is trying to usurp the chaos gods. I wouldn't directly say they're aligned with the chaos gods. I think 40k theories have some vids on the matter

[warm bolt]

They’re also constantly on the verge of losing their shit

Buzzing….buzzing…buzzing

[spare niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFM7s-fEcm8&ab_channel=Majorkill

pretty good to understand a bit about pyskers well from what i gathered anyways

[warm bolt]

Drowning….drowning…

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt Some psykers seem more stable than others haha (if you go by voicelines)

like the more unstable ones in game also seem more powerful

[wet finch]

How good is the crit bonus for surge staff? This staff may be the best one i've got so far if crit isnt a big deal

[tacit fractal]

Except 4th wall breaking male Loner

[wicked grove]

I love the beloved one...I fantasize it as a demon of tzeentch but she believes it's the emperor.

[ruby merlin]

Like there's one psyker line in the game that talks about sensing life forms in another hive city on Atoma. That's super powerful.

[wicked grove]

"I am your beloved...your emperor"

And she just goes along with it

[warm bolt]

Dam, considering hive cities are fucking continents

[ruby merlin]

I like the female loner lol, she is obsessed with being worshiped as a god when she reaches high peril and ultis. Hilarious when you mix her with the zealot.

[warm bolt]

To be able to detect that is crazy

[wicked grove]

Can be planet wide.

[tacit fractal]

Not even continents

[wicked grove]

Depends on the world.

[tacit fractal]

I mean yeah true

Over 40 billion in Tertium

[ruby merlin]

They're like Olympus Mons on Mars, but bigger in city form.

[wicked grove]

There's worlds where it's only a few habcities.

[ruby merlin]

But yeah our psykers can be pretty damn powerful judging by voicelines.

[wicked grove]

But if we take the forgeworlds
..habcities take up most of the planet.

[warm bolt]

So is the infestation on all of Tertium? I’m assuming they’re’s districts still pretty much in the clear?

[ruby merlin]

I think the "imperial" psyker (the ex enforcer aid) is the weakest, going by voicelines.

[wicked grove]

I'm sure there's "clean" districts...but we will never go there.

It's like you never let your angry dog off the chain. You only release em when you want them to fuck something up

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt There's some voicelines going "Xeno presence detected, Aurium? sp class operatives sent to investigate. So we could have an Armageddon style thing going on here eventually lol.

[wicked grove]

Tbh I want genestealers

[warm bolt]

The inquisition seems kinda small tho

[ruby merlin]

So we get tyrannids, orks, chaos on the same planet eventually.

[wicked grove]

It seems that way but it isn't

[ruby merlin]

@warm bolt Maybe this guy is locked in a political war, someone is setting grendyl up to fail etc.

[wicked grove]

It's really vast comparing it to our standards.

[ruby merlin]

There's a good lore argument saying toughness is Grendyl's psychic power protecting us, I think that's pretty neat.

[wicked grove]

You have to think there's entire inquisitorial fleets.

[ruby merlin]

I think at present this problem is like a low grade problem so far.

LIke hadron says, 0.5% drop in production = losing the fringe war.

[wicked grove]

It's currently a "low grade" problem

[ruby merlin]

And we haven't reached that yet.

In the mission where you gotta fix the coolant.

[wicked grove]

But we should have a GSC dlc

Where we fight the gene stealer cults

[spare niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQnljA3v3w&ab_channel=TheTemplinInstitute here u go lads about tertium if people didnt know!

[ruby merlin]

I just headcannon it away as Grendyl being pretty powerful, a relatively nice inquisitor (given he doesn't execute all of us), but has powerful enemies who want him to fail.

[wicked grove]

Grendyl...sounds like he's part of Ordo Hereticus.

And he has a loose connection with Malleus

[ruby merlin]

And being a 'nice' inquisitor, I can totally imagine him using Xenos like Ork Mercs or Dark Eldar wyches out for laughs in the name of expedience.

(anything to give us more distinctive classes please).

[wicked grove]

Hereticus also depends.

You have the extremists who dip into the religious sector

[ruby merlin]

In lore there have been inquisitors using xenos, so it's not unprecedented.

[wicked grove]

And you have those who dip into Xenos

The Ordo Biologis

[ruby merlin]

Plus given this is a low risk situation where a xeno or two can't make things too bad, it makes sense.

[wicked grove]

They work with the Deathwatch almost exclusively

However...we should have a skitarii/servitor class.

Where we can use radium weapons and the like

[ruby merlin]

Just more non human looking classes would be great IMO, so we can have people looking different.

Right now it's kinda hard to tell vets, pyskers, zealots apart if they don't have a helmet and are all wearing the default red gear.

Ogryns feel fun because they just stand out more lol

[vestal rose]

give us the ratling snipers

it'll be funny

[wicked grove]

Eh...rn the game needs to be pretty first. Fix the hub. Fix the crafting system. Have the table be for special conditions only with a map select on the side.

[ruby merlin]

(also I just want my dark eldar wych shade >:) )

[wicked grove]

We need the game to be playable and accessible first.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Those will probably come within the next month or two I imagine.

[wicked grove]

Then we can focus on the dlcs and new characters

[ruby merlin]

And higher diffs to satisfy the vets please.

[warm bolt]

So how far can a regular human go?

[ruby merlin]

Make them do tournies and stuff

@warm bolt I mean some humans just kill space marines with a knife at a weak spot, so pretty far.

[wicked grove]

I'm not dedicated enough to do damnation yet. Because I'm not about to be in that bs.

[ruby merlin]

And commisars can be normal humans too.

[wicked grove]

My psyker doesn't have the gear for it.

Tbh Commissars would be a great support class.

[worn canopy]

Going to damnation as psyker to prove we exist on high difficulties.

[wicked grove]

Hey...I'm doing psyker on heresy!

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Damnation can be fun because you can pug it, and you can fail. Heresy at this point is almost infallible now. IMO the fun part of tide games is clutching and almost winning, or making it by a hair.

[spare niche]

i like doing psyker on heresy

not really done damnation yet

[ruby merlin]

Yeah heresy is a breeze with axe + surge.

[wicked grove]

I hate the hi-intensity with heresy

[ruby merlin]

And damnation is basically just heresy but slightly harder.

[wicked grove]

I play for flavor.

I use force sword and staff.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove If you can do heresy without really thinking, you can do damnation basically if you just play a bit slower and think more.

[wicked grove]

Why use an axe when EVERYONE can use it.

[spare niche]

FS and staff is mega combo

[ruby merlin]

Ahh force sword yeah, that makes it harder for you lol.

[spare niche]

with surge

[worn canopy]

Same here. But you gotta do damnation. There are no psykers on damnation.

[ruby merlin]

You can use it on damnation, it just feels way clunkier.

[wicked grove]

Well...I'll do damnation if you can help me with Pick n Mix.

[worn canopy]

Also I hate that they shadow nerfed the cutlass passive peril quell

[ruby merlin]

I personally dislike it when it's too easy to clear

Like how often do you fail on heresy? If it's never, time to do damnation etc.

[worn canopy]

There’s no reason to run it anymore compared to force sword

[vestal rose]

I find it's almost impossible to find random groups doing damnation
people are scared

[wicked grove]

I don't mind if it's too easy because I understand the game isnt...easy to some people

[ruby merlin]

@vestal rose yeah it's sad, especially when it's just a small jump from heresy.

Queue is the hardest part lol

[vestal rose]

legit

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove I mean that's what malice is for

[wicked grove]

People don't wanna see the game fuckup...

[warm bolt]

I like it when i know one single mistake will lead to 70% of my hp getting deleted

[wicked grove]

People also don't trust pugs.

[ruby merlin]

if it's too hard for you, go lower simple. If it's too easy, we gotta have harder stuff else people will leave.

[wicked grove]

I certainly don't trust pugs.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove You can carry pretty hard as a psyker tbh.

I don't need to trust them on heresy, you can just hard carry. On damnation it's a bit harder, but still very doable.

[warm bolt]

However, getting shot too pieces does suck

[vestal rose]

I'm honestly okay with losing in damnation 9 times out of ten at this point

[ruby merlin]

Also pugs on damnation are generally more skilled.

[wicked grove]

I run surge staff and FS. The problem is I'm griefing these games because I have a penance to do.

And wanna know something...

It sucks doing this penance.

[ruby merlin]

Rofl yeah, penances are pretty toxic atm for completion.

[vivid merlin]

what's the favourite horde clear melee weapon around here, mk5 combat axe?

[ruby merlin]

Yep that's pretty awesome

[wicked grove]

Pick and Mix has me doing the dumbest builds.

[glossy bough]

Struggling on pick n mix now

[wicked grove]

Dying.

[ruby merlin]

just push attack into light attack if safe, or push attack spam if not that safe.

[wicked grove]

Dropping.

Blowing up.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove best way, get a group of x4 psykers who all need it

[wicked grove]

Trying to nail that laaasssttttt gunner

[ruby merlin]

go to malice, have people not kill ragers

[wicked grove]

But oops...

[ruby merlin]

gather the ragers, dps them a tiny bit, blow them up

[wicked grove]

The vet stole my last one.

[ruby merlin]

It works on malice btw, I think that's a bug.

[wicked grove]

I love it when I see a group of juicy gunners with heads to pop...then suddenly

"HEADHUNTIN" and like that...there goes my hard work.

[ruby merlin]

and you can do the same elite

Gotta do it with a premade

[glossy bough]

I need one person to block bullets for me, and another to kill Single Backstabbing Zombie every time it spawns

[ruby merlin]

penances aren't for pugs

[wicked grove]

But my group is barely on.

[glossy bough]

You serious?

[ruby merlin]

just grab people here who need it tbh

@glossy bough Yep

[vestal rose]

no build is gonna get you pick n mix
it's all about communication with a team

[glossy bough]

That's wild

[ruby merlin]

just do chasm station, final stage you can have a lot of elites on malice

[wicked grove]

God...brainburst needs to do more damage.

[wicked grove]

Pick and Mix is Heresy only.

[ruby merlin]

You can one shot ragers on malice, which helps a lot

[glossy bough]

I'll give that a shot tomorrow then

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove It's bugged

works on malice

[vestal rose]

I find BB damage fine with kinetic barrage

[ruby merlin]

lots of people here got it on malice

[wicked grove]

Whut.

[glossy bough]

Get it done before they patch it I guess lmao

[ruby merlin]

They may have fixed it, but try it now lol

[wicked grove]

Like they fixed vet penance cheese?

That still works btw

Tbh the vet ones are also...super toxic.

[glossy bough]

Pick and mix is my last psyker cringe penance, then it's just do hard missions

And a LOT of them

But I'll be free

[wicked grove]

Same for my vet as well.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah penances are all toxic except for some of the zealot ones, or the psyker dog one. Just find a group and knock them all out together.

x4 psyker groups etc.

you'll help each other get them all

[glossy bough]

I can't believe I got the psyker dog one on accident

[wicked grove]

Also do my psyker items go to my other psyker like how two kerillians can share items?

[ruby merlin]

I got that on day 1 of preorder, just happened naturally lol

[glossy bough]

Didn't know it was a penance until I saw it pop up

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Nope. Source I have two psykers

french female and loner female

no shared gear

[wicked grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh424019499-gif-25675566

How the hell...did they fuck up this bad...

Basic mechanics from vt2

[ruby merlin]

Give us voice change tbh

Then I'll be fine with that

Because some of the voice lines are awesome, and I want to hear them all

[wicked grove]

Do you have to level your second psyker?

[ruby merlin]

Yep XD

I relevelled to 30

[wicked grove]

._.

.__.

[ruby merlin]

loner female is hilarious though

so it was worth for me

[vestal rose]

I'd have done the same if I didn't pick loner female first time

[wicked grove]

But I don't wanna regrind...

[vestal rose]

loner female is great

[wicked grove]

I cri

[vernal frigate]

Finally

[ruby merlin]

@vestal rose best voice unite lol, I love her lines especially when she ultis.

[vestal rose]

100%

[wicked grove]

Congrats man

[ruby merlin]

Grats!

[wicked grove]

What's her voiceline?

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove A few like "Worship me or DIE!!"

[vestal rose]

megalomania

[ruby merlin]

But her normal interactions are great.

[wicked grove]

Thats fucking funny

[ruby merlin]

Yeah exactly lol

[wicked grove]

Tbh I'll just do my penances

[vestal rose]

Cower! Plead! Beg!

[wicked grove]

And relevel then

I'll be dripped out at level 1

[ruby merlin]

I wasn't a huge fan of "warp use sanctioned!" by the female french psyker even though I liked her accent lol.

[wicked grove]

And it'll make ZERO sense when I'm being denigrated by hadron

Or when morrow trashes me

[ruby merlin]

Rofl yeah, I had that

[wicked grove]

"Like dude I'm in the robes of an acolyte treat me with some respect"

[ruby merlin]

just the red hood + other stuff

[wicked grove]

Yup...

[ruby merlin]

and being dissed for being 42 secs late and threatened with execution (since others have been executed for less).

[wicked grove]

Yup

But you're wearing all black

I had that issue with my Vet

I was wearing full malice gear and I got the cutscene at level 18 and 21.

[ruby merlin]

I think they'll have seasonal story cutscenes in eventually.

[wicked grove]

I had a head tilt to Morrow and Hadron bitching at me

Like "I'm literally a stormtrooper wtf you mean I'm getting executed"

[ruby merlin]

XD yeah. I mean obviously they still outrank you even if you are an acolyte. But Hadron is almost nice by the time you're level 30.

[wicked grove]

Yup

[ruby merlin]

But sir melk is always nice to you as a psyker I think.

Like he hates my zealot even at high levels.

But my psyker he wants to have drinks with.

[wicked grove]

So it's 5 kills at 12s

[vestal rose]

he's polite to you
his contracts are anything but nice

[spare niche]

how did u do it cause everything takes 2?

[ruby merlin]

@vestal rose I am pretending they don't exist atm, no pressure 😄

[spare niche]

or am i tripping

[vestal rose]

wise

[uneven sparrow]

Why are the hats locked behind insane things 🦆

[ruby merlin]

Plus it's all trash anyway, I'll wait for crafting to make decent stuff (and you can clear damnation with low rated greens atm).

[vestal rose]

I just use the contract currency to gamble on curios

[ruby merlin]

Really hope we get damnation+

Oh yeah, I kinda want to go full block cost reduction

[vernal frigate]

Because the devs want us to suffer

[ruby merlin]

and then test out peril block more 😛

They should have much harder difficulties that really requires good comms.

[vestal rose]

does anyone know if block cost reduction actually affects peril gain with kinetic deflection?

[ruby merlin]

Then give out drip for the players who can do those missions.

[wicked grove]

Cri.

[ruby merlin]

That's actually non toxic, and stops players from doing stupid shit in game lol.

[wicked grove]

This dude.

[ruby merlin]

@vestal rose It does for sure.

[vestal rose]

good to know

[wicked grove]

He keeps taking my elites and special kills.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah don't pug that penance lol

gotta do it with a group, grab people here

if we're in the same region I'm sure we'd help

[wicked grove]

I just want this done dude...

[ruby merlin]

not going to happen in a pug

[wicked grove]

I almost had it.

5 ragers.

[ruby merlin]

unless a miracle happens. (Like someone got it by accident)

[vernal frigate]

Going out with a bang was my last penance apart from missions done

had to replay so many missions

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove just go with a premade, you'll one shot it in 30 minutes, I promise lol.

[wicked grove]

I've been told that lie....for 4 days nkw.now.

[ruby merlin]

having people horde clear for you, then gather ragers, makes it super easy.

[wicked grove]

"Oh we're gonna get it promise"

[ruby merlin]

Pick chasm station.

[wicked grove]

"Bro let's get it"

Next thing you know

[ruby merlin]

They murder your elites? XD