psyker-class

[bleak sonnet]

ye

[junior anvil]

because ranged units hurt in t4 and t5. You can't always reach with the staff and you can just kill the ranged rather than working thru them

[bleak sonnet]

12 is best

[white badger]

Yeah, my vet is all about the MK XII. It's amazing.

[surreal girder]

This. I love that gun.

[hidden coral]

The XII I could see running, you'd be able to contribute to firefights quicker. It wouldn't be much quicker than headpopping if it's really high difficulty though, and headpopping's a lot safer

[onyx sentinel]

Is there a list somewhere of levels required to unlock specific staves/weapons?

[bleak sonnet]

it is definitely

a lot faster than headpop

[junior anvil]

head popping takes forever

[bleak sonnet]

i kill ragers in 3 shots with my lasgun vs 2 headpops for example

[hidden coral]

Oh it is quicker in the sense that it's one shot

But if it's like

A damnation firefight with shooters on various levels all spaced out suppressing you

You'll find lining up those shots and maintaining toughness tricky without headpopping

[white badger]

Well, people should play what they find fun. For minmaxing, tho, the best char to carry a good lasgun is going to be the one with all the gun-centric feats.

[junior anvil]

ah who needs toughness when you have faith in the Emperor

[bleak sonnet]

minmaxing aint worth it till t6

[safe raven]

my vet hasn't gotten one, never showed up in the store during 100 hours, only ever saw one on the milk store, but it was shit
all other classes have seen like 50 of the xii, like my ogryn will get one before vet

[bleak sonnet]

t5 can be cleared with 4 lvl 15s

[white badger]

That's a fairly silly statement

[hidden coral]

I'd def say run gun if you find it fun though! I know the XII can get some good work done on my Zealot, you could do far worse

[white badger]

Most of us aren't running in steady groups with 3 other good players

You're not gonna quickplay T5 at level 15 very often

[junior anvil]

@hidden coral the real kicker is how many things you can actually shoot vs BrainBurst targeting being all wonky

[hidden coral]

Ye it is nice for those moments!

[junior anvil]

curse you railings!

[hidden coral]

But Voidstrike isn't too bad for hitting people around railings

[bleak sonnet]

its definitely not a silly statement, it is a true statement

never said anything relating to pubbing it

[hidden coral]

Since the hitbox is bigger than hte collission box

[bleak sonnet]

i think its common sense to not try that without a 4 stack:P

[hidden coral]

You can snipe people behind cover with it haha

Oh I QP damnation pretty often

It's like Cata VT from my experience, most people who try it are team players

[bleak sonnet]

I qp damn too

[white badger]

It's a barely relevant statement 😉 Yeah, 4 J-Sats can probably clear T5 at level 5. But they're maybe 5% of the player pop. Not representative.

[bleak sonnet]

5% of the player pop is damn in general prob

hard to find groups for it often

the majority of players seem to be spamming heresy

[white badger]

I don't think Bigboned Murderfish is gonna balance difficulty levels around the very apex players. Or I hope not.

[hidden coral]

But ye aside from the sheer utility and power certain staffs offer, I don't think I'd like to run gun just because it's not a cool staff

[bleak sonnet]

i think the top difficulty should definitely be balanced around very good players

[hidden coral]

But ye Psykers get access to one of the best guns in the game so, it's def not bad

[bleak sonnet]

when they add more difficulty

if when

[junior anvil]

is true, burning or shocking things to death is just pure space wizard fun

[bleak sonnet]

it is very fun

[hidden coral]

Also I already play the discount Vet experience on my Zealot haha

[white badger]

Heh

[hidden coral]

Don't need that on my Psyker too

[livid wraith]

just make damnation+ where stagger and cc become less effective the more you do it to the same enemy

ez

[sacred swift]

Does Psyker have any options that are effective for killing bosses?

[white badger]

Yeah, Purgatus, Void and Surge all have big fun factors

[hidden coral]

Force Sword is about as good as it gets

With the special

It's more dps than BB

Prob up there for melee dps in general

[left hare]

For purely bosses u should use purgatus

[junior anvil]

I agree with @bleak sonnet tho, in my experience with damnation I'm starting to see a lot of the same players running it

[hidden coral]

But it won't match like, a Vet with a Bolter

[white badger]

Well, the Force Sword charged attack does a pile of armor-piercing, single target damage

[livid wraith]

does force sword outdps the vet power sword on single target?

[left hare]

Purgatus has a dot that stacks about 7-8 times

[white badger]

Maybe

[sacred swift]

bosses aren't generally armored though. Just massive health pools.

[grizzled iris]

Sadly no

[left hare]

199 per tick if u max it on boss iirc

[white badger]

Power Sword is an order of magnitude better on hordes. But they seem close on single targets. I have great versions of both -- gotta test that

[left hare]

Low commitment good boss dmg

Force sword is high commitment good damage as well

Axe is just steady dps

[white badger]

Purgatus is great against unarmored targets. It's borderline useless against carapace.

[left hare]

Yup

[junior anvil]

havent done hard math but from testing I can 1 shot Ragers with force sword powered up, can not one shot them with Power Sword powered up

maybe my PS sucks idk

[hidden coral]

Force Sword at least has a much better defensive niche

[left hare]

Force sword does have to commit the long animation time

[livid wraith]

also I haven't really tested my force sword, is the combo light/heavy/light or just light/heavy + dodge/shove

[hidden coral]

Strong block, good dodges

Nice push

[left hare]

The 2nd combo is better

And safer

[white badger]

I only play up to Heresy. At that level, Force Sword still wrecks Ragers. Power Sword is three swinghs.

[grizzled iris]

Using mk5 combat axe on my zealot, just your typical high dps low commitment weapon

[left hare]

Axe go brrrrrr

[hidden coral]

Issue with Force Sword against Ragers and such

The danger of using the special

Yeah, it's great for 1v1, but

[left hare]

The issue with force sword is the special is longgggg

[hidden coral]

Any melee can 1v1 a rager

[junior anvil]

ye tru tru

[livid wraith]

rager i pull out surge and spam ping

HALP

[junior anvil]

lol

[left hare]

No one will react to ur ping

[white badger]

I lucked into a nicely rolled Force Sword with Deflector and +15% Block Efficiency as a perk. I may never put it down

[left hare]

Tried and tested

[grizzled iris]

Just surge the rager and let your team kill that stationary target dummy

[bleak sonnet]

or take out the middle man and kill it urself

[hidden coral]

Vets should haha. Playing a lvl 30 Vet, I'm always hungry to mow down Ragers to keep ult up

[bleak sonnet]

saving ur run time

:P

[white badger]

Yeah, surge trivializes ragers/ crushers/ maulers

[south zephyr]

with surge you can stun and before the "cast" animation finishes you can swap to FS, charge the special and just before the stun ends hit em with the special attack, for ragers anyways

[timber shale]

@bleak sonnet what feats do you use?

[bleak sonnet]

idk

havent checked in a while

i use the ult with BB and force block

[mighty yarrow]

Yeah purg on bosses does good damage? Never seemed to do that much when I was using it...maybe i just had a crappy staff.

[bleak sonnet]

that's all i remember

[white badger]

I think if psyker builds do start to revolve around guns, that's a strong balance statement, heh

[left hare]

The dot will do good damage

[grizzled iris]

Or use the mk V dueling sword and do 2 quick overhead heavys for the same result

[white badger]

I am not sure how to test purge damage on bosses, since there are none in the meatgrinder to see numbers.

[signal turret]

glorious damnation w

with a purg user 🤮

[pure rapids]

purg good

[grizzled iris]

No

[pure rapids]

better than a flamer

[worthy wasp]

Oh shit

Oh shit

[pure rapids]

flamer can't stagger dogs

can't stagger ragers

[signal turret]

lol we had a zealot with a flamer

[pure rapids]

fight me

[white badger]

I usually use Purgatus. It's the best general-use staff, I think, if you're just in pickup groups without predefined roles. It outdamages void, and it's decent CC.

[signal turret]

to say he got outfucked is an understatement lol

[bleak sonnet]

stagger irrelevant bro

[worthy wasp]

Just got a gold Antax MkV from the Emperor, wish me luck boys

[bleak sonnet]

just kill it

[left hare]

Purgatus m1 can indeed stagger

[bleak sonnet]

:D

[left hare]

Stagger irrelevant

[robust meteor]

i shall upgrade and report back

[white badger]

Yeah, Purge M1 and M2 definitely stagger

[bleak sonnet]

stagger useless when you kill enemies

[pure rapids]

x to doubt

[signal turret]

[hidden coral]

Eh, stagger is nice for plenty of targets

[white badger]

Yeah, the best CC is just killing them

[hidden coral]

There's a reason modded difficulty VT players still tracked stagger thresholds

[pure rapids]

yea then ya'll gonna be like use surge staff

🤮

[bleak sonnet]

never

LOL

[signal turret]

this is where I split with that gun using heretic

[robust meteor]

how u kill 4 bulwarks without CC

[signal turret]

surge supremacy

[bleak sonnet]

hit them really hard

[pure rapids]

you clear the trash and melee them?

[left hare]

Funnily enough

[white badger]

Well, you can kill bulwarks with a force sword, too, if they aren't facing you

[livid wraith]

Zealot flamer staggers and kills all the trash before it gets anywhere close to your squad. Then the surge psyker can stun all the problem enemies from a similar range that get through. If purge staff was 20m then it would be good. But it's not so its mediocre, but usable.

[left hare]

Ogryn can kill through shield

[surreal girder]

Surge is hard to step away from. It's power is wonderful.

[left hare]

Ogryn stacks bleeds on heavy hits

[robust meteor]

sometimes the trash never stops coming

[signal turret]

Fellow siblings preaching THAT GOOD WORD

[pure rapids]

exactly

so how tf you gonna surge that shit

[white badger]

Yeah, Tencent.. if there's a decent zealot with a flamer, purge staff is not the best choice at all

[bleak sonnet]

hey guys, im a purge/surge user. im going to walk up to this enemy and CC it!

vs.

hey guys, i have a lasgun, i shot the enemy in the head and it is dead, kill something else and deal with other threats?

[robust meteor]

bulwarks usually end up in the front of the pack

[left hare]

Trash u just handle it normally

[hidden coral]

Milquetoast bland Voidstrike kills all the baddies is the thing. Like a lasgun that shoots globs 😌

[pure rapids]

or you clear it with less than 1s and deal with the elites

[robust meteor]

dont get me wrong, i get the meme

[bleak sonnet]

bulwarks are definitely the enemy that benefits the most from being CC'd

[livid wraith]

You must love getting gangbanged by the 6 crusher+mauler spawn.

[bleak sonnet]

but i usually just press F on them

[white badger]

Gun, the purge staff absolutely kills stuff. It's on par with void. That still leaves it well below a well rolled lasgun, and WAY behind bolters. But purgatus is not primarily CC.

[bleak sonnet]

that's enough "cc" to drop their shield to get killed

[signal turret]

surge supremacy vs. the lesser staffs is the debate that never stops giving

[bleak sonnet]

yeah the purge staff definitely does kill certain things, if they're directly in close range of you

[pure rapids]

if you're gonna use a gun you might as well just be a 2nd Vet

[robust meteor]

i dont kno how i feel about this one

just upgraded it

[bleak sonnet]

which none of the tough enemies typically are / should be

[signal turret]

and then you have the gun psykers, the crowd of 1, but we dont talk about those guys

[livid wraith]

I love checking in once a day and it's still being discussed. KEEP THIS BALL ROLLING BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE WARP!

[bleak sonnet]

there's 3 of us

actually

[signal turret]

well, guy

[white badger]

Purge has a much longer range than people think. It's not as far as surge, but it's about 2/3 of the meatgrinder's radius

[robust meteor]

daily debate with 10 different opinions

[livid wraith]

14m vs 20m is huge. Flamer and Surge can actually deal with ranged bullshit without being out of position.

[pure rapids]

the only time you'd ever want range is when you're positioned wrong

[pure rapids]

that 6m is nothing

[white badger]

Yeah, and the value of every option depends highly on team comp and specific opponents. So this debate will never end 😉

[pure rapids]

you're not using purg right

[robust meteor]

the game often forces you into bad positions at times pretty dang often

[signal turret]

Wall clipping Surge users rise up

[pure rapids]

if you're just standing there right clicking you're using it so wrong

[bleak sonnet]

or when you want to kill things before they become a threat idk

[pure rapids]

the point of purg is fast left clicks

you get in close

[hidden coral]

Ur using life wrong

[bleak sonnet]

usually my mainstay groups prefer to kill things as far away as possible

not run to 20m of it

[signal turret]

the satisfaction of surging groups with no-clip lightning

refreshing

[white badger]

Yeah, if I know a zealot is there with a flamer, I go surge. In quickplay/ randoms, tho, I use purgatus to be sure someone can kill hordes.

[pure rapids]

the satisfaction of staggering crowds with left click but only using 4% peril

not to mention suppression

[signal turret]

Scooty Puff Jr Purg Staff outdaddied by Scooty Puff Sr Flamer

[pure rapids]

yea slow ass senior flamer

[white badger]

Sure. But we don't get flamers 😉

[pure rapids]

OH A HORDE IS COMING LET ME SLOWLY TAKE OUT MY FLAMER

[livid wraith]

I respect this take. Purge is usable. It's just a worse version of other stuff.

[hidden coral]

I'm less of a fan of Flamer since they have no way to contribute to long-range firefights

[pure rapids]

OH LET ME DO A 2s ANIMATION TO GO INTO SPAM MODE

[hidden coral]

At least Psykers with purgatus have headpop

[pure rapids]

exactly

OH LET ME LEFT CLICK WITH MY FLAMER

that can't even stun dogs

trash

[dusk pilot]

I wish we had a Psyker that sounded like the one from Dawn of War ;w;

[white badger]

Our whole kit is basically a worse version of vet combined with a worse version of zealot 😉 Still useable, of course.

[pure rapids]

nah Psyker is better than a Zealot

[livid wraith]

Surge provides something no one else does. So surge is king.

[hidden coral]

Disagree on us being worse than Zealot haha

It's dire over there

[night marten]

are all heresy missions still showing as high intensity?

[white badger]

Not for hordes

[hidden coral]

They're melee boys without having the best melee

At least we have our niche

[pure rapids]

absolutely for hordes

[livid wraith]

Fantasy land

[pure rapids]

ya'll using purg wrong and blaming Psyker for being a weaker Zealot

[bleak sonnet]

oh boy cant wait to load up this damnation run and take 2x longer than necessary because im "ccing" the enemies instead of killing them 🤪

[livid wraith]

i love it

[pure rapids]

purg can kill stuff

[bleak sonnet]

so can laspistol bro

[hidden coral]

Tbf it could also take a long time if you run a lasgun rather than a void or purgatus, since you can't horde clear as fast

[pure rapids]

https://gfycat.com/quarrelsomelastcow

[white badger]

Yeah.. don't think of Purgatus as yellow Surge. Purgatus has better damage than Void in its direct cone.

[signal turret]

If you end up in my damn group im calling you out lol

[pure rapids]

I doubt a las pistol can do this

[bleak sonnet]

for what

[signal turret]

[bleak sonnet]

not even im

that controversial

dont do it

[white badger]

Wow, what a roll on that

[pure rapids]

you put that right beside that god purg staff you have

[livid wraith]

i'd rather have a gun psyker than a psyker casting BB the whole game.

[signal turret]

I probably will lmao

[pure rapids]

[white badger]

Yeah, there is nothing worse than a bad, BB-spam psyker. Useless.

Rather have a bot

I don't see to many tho

Most people have glommed onto staffs

[livid wraith]

Had one earlier on damnation. I would be hording then notice a fuckin dreg head turn blue.

[white badger]

ouch

[signal turret]

I at least want to understand gun psyker so I can shit on it better lol. If I get a good XII Las imma try it in heresy at least

[pure rapids]

oh so now it's not "I don't want a purg user" but I don't want a "BB spammer"

[bleak sonnet]

heresy too low

damn

[white badger]

A good XII would probably perform well with no feats

[pure rapids]

not "I don't want a lesser Zealot" but I don't want a "BB spammer"

get real

[livid wraith]

Are you smoking crack?

[white badger]

Not sure I understand your point, Mazta

[pure rapids]

ya'll the ones smoking crack

shitting on purg

then now saying not wanting a BB spammer

[white badger]

I don't think most of us are shitting on purge

But a BB-spammer definitely deserves a shit hat

[bleak sonnet]

i just compared laspistol TTK to that purge clip

[vague roost]

I like the palpatine

[pure rapids]

oh that guys is with his glorification of Zealot flamer

[livid wraith]

Lmao. I moved on with the conversation and now you are like NO NO NO I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS. bro get real lmao.

[mighty yarrow]

i once solo matched into a game with a team of 3xflamethrower zealots with my purg staff. I bet they didn't even notice i wasn't one of them. I just said i was feeling a little under the weather when they got sus about my green flame.

[bleak sonnet]

laspistol killed everything faster :P

[austere burrow]

i don't think purge is that great

[night marten]

well, purge gets shit on every day in this channel lol

[signal turret]

Im shitting on purg lol

[austere burrow]

zealot flamer actually is much better though lol

[pure rapids]

lacks a good stagger

[signal turret]

but id rather sit back and enjoy the salt from the great staff debate than partake at this point

[pure rapids]

only good use is right click

[white badger]

Yeah.. people seem to think CC with surge is our only niche. It definitely is not.

[pure rapids]

which takes significantly longer than a purg charge up

[vague roost]

I heard a lot of aspect if current psyker are lacking. 😦

[night marten]

I can appreciate a good palpatine impression, but nothings cooler than that listerine fire

[signal turret]

We need a buff

tell everyone

[white badger]

Bingo, that is that downside of Flamer. It's almost like a Bolter in its ready-time, so someone needs to be guarding the Z while he charges up. Whereas a Purgatus, you just dash backwards twice while charging to full, and FHWOOOSH.

[surreal girder]

I love how passionate all my siblings are about their preferred disciplines.

[spiral remnant]

I wouldn't mind a buff 😄

[static orchid]

first psyker 4-stack on a malice assasination mission

surprising amount of fun were had

[stark snow]

honestly I don't care what my teammates are using, 90% of this game is positioning, knowing when to block, push, move in, and when to fall to a choke, if they're doing that right, it's probably going to be an easy win regardless of loadout

[white badger]

... But the flamer does have much longer range, and a somewhat bigger cone

[spiral remnant]

oh

im dumb

[static orchid]

half the team overloaded themselves on the boss

[spiral remnant]

ignore what i just said

[livid wraith]

It's almost like, there's audio queues that tell you when the horde is coming.

[static orchid]

i got dc'd twice

[mild lotus]

That last patch brought so little changes in balancing.

[austere burrow]

wdym

[pure rapids]

for anything to matter at that range you'd alr be in purg range as well

[austere burrow]

surge is so much better now

[bleak sonnet]

doing some damage tests on my XII

3 shot ragers

[white badger]

Yeah, sure. If you never make any misplays, and never get surprised by a bad combo of specials, you can assume all kinds of stuff

[bleak sonnet]

takes 1.5 sec

[austere burrow]

the aura buff is also super good

[white badger]

But at least in the games I play, people are not 100% perfectly positioned at all times 😉

[pure rapids]

yea of single targeting

[bleak sonnet]

2 shot gunners/flamers/grenadiers/trappers

[lethal plover]

Time to try mk 12

[bleak sonnet]

1 shot sniper

[livid wraith]

I can't trust a purge staff to hold a line during the horde. shit will get through eventually. The zealot can hold a line by himself for much longer.

[pure rapids]

while I'm holding back the horde with the ragers included

[austere burrow]

ya this is an important difference between the 2

the only annoying enemy for zealot flamer is bulwarks

[night marten]

I pug/quickplay as often as not, most of the time positioning isn't great. This diminishes the advantages granted by surge and void

[livid wraith]

crushers, the bulwark will swing and get staggered by the flamer

[night marten]

team really needs to play to their strengths

[bleak sonnet]

if i crit i 1 shot gunners lol

[vague roost]

A BB buff would be nice...a lot of our feats seems build on that and it's very lack luster on higher difficulties

[white badger]

Yeah, BB needs to scale a bit

[toxic forge]

Those psyker penaces were lightwork

[white badger]

Oops, not sure why that was a reply to 10c

[ornate hamlet]

Talking about the Purg(e)atus staff or the Surge staff

[signal turret]

Purg staff sycophants, im in a damn group without zealot this is your moment

[mighty yarrow]

maybe BB 1 shots on all non bosses? I mean how many brains these big guys got if we're burstin multiple times?

[ornate hamlet]

Because if you mean Purgatus I think we got different versions of the game

[signal turret]

queue damnation

[bleak sonnet]

xd

[lethal plover]

I now disagree. Its usage is perfect. It's meant for backline specials in damnation

[austere burrow]

stuff gets through

[white badger]

I know I can hold a horde without leaking stuff, unless they're coming from 3 sides at once. You can sweep purgatus.

[spiral remnant]

dear god

[worthy wasp]

Anyone else having performance issues after the patch?

[white badger]

Music, check settings

[kindred edge]

Genuine question: what does gun psyker do better than vet?

[white badger]

I bet RTX is on for you

[kindred edge]

Because I like the MkXII

[livid wraith]

The purgatus staff. It DOES horde well enough, but it does NOT hold a line by itself, shit will get through eventually. it's good if you have a front line meleeing or a god-vet that can see through your aids and kill the right stuff, but it does not hold a line by itself.

[kindred edge]

But...

[lethal plover]

Survive and carry with peril axe is my opinion

[white badger]

Machine.. Psyker can CC, when that is needed. And we can fish for that invisible, untagged sniper way back in the shadows

As long as he's not behind a railing

[worthy wasp]

What settings? I dont see RTX in Options>Video in game

[white badger]

Music, really?

[toxic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[white badger]

The updates tend to reset all settings to default, which is dumb

And that includes toggling RTX on

[kindred edge]

How does gun psyker CC? F? Because grenades can do okay at that

[bleak sonnet]

@kindred edge on my vet i feel like I lack special killing power (crushers, bulwark) outside of melee, and lack clutch power with revives

psyker answer both these issues

[white badger]

Machine, Lightning is a long stun for 5 targets. Fire is a short stagger for many targets

[bleak sonnet]

with no real downsides

[white badger]

Oh, sorry, you meant gun psykers

[toxic forge]

Yeah then you run Bolter and realize " damn I fuck everything "

[hidden coral]

You do lose some trash killing power if you don't go void

[kindred edge]

I was specifically asking about gun psykers.

[bleak sonnet]

yeah, then you run bolter in damn and your party wipes because you arent clearing ranged chaff

[white badger]

Kurble, try Purgatus. It does more damage than void

[bleak sonnet]

real smart idea there lol

[hidden coral]

Or the ability to deal with those annoying moments where 2 crushers and 3 ragers bumrush you

[severe dove]

Oh wow psychic communion is kinda wacky

[toxic forge]

Sounds like a skill issue ngl, you can still kill ranged chaff with a bolter

[livid wraith]

thats why shotgun vet is chad mode.

[white badger]

Sorry, I missed the 'gun' bit. In my defense, I ate a lot of paint chips as a kid

[severe dove]

I just looked at the actual feats

[bleak sonnet]

you definitely can, and use all ur ammo in the process

[worthy wasp]

Where do I find ray tracing?

[hidden coral]

Yep! It's no quite as ideal as the XII, but you can make Bolter work for anti-range boys

It's decently ammo efficient

Not awesome but

[toxic forge]

if I'm the only one capable of killing ranged on my team, ammo won't be an issue cause no one else is gonna need it lol

[white badger]

I am logging in now to check 😉

[hidden coral]

The XII tends to have a surplus

The Bolter can run about even

[worthy wasp]

Thanks man I appreciate you

[hidden coral]

Saying this as someone who has been the Bolter user on Damn

[bleak sonnet]

ive found bolter plenty underwhelming compared to xii on damn

[severe dove]

Question: Does the BB from kinetic flayer give a warp charge?

[white badger]

OK - once logged into the game and in the hub, Options-Video, scroll down to the section below Performance

[hidden coral]

It's worse for shooters, but you can deal with the really annoying swarms pretty well thanks to the raw stopping power and the CC (plus I use some reload feats)

[bleak sonnet]

there's too much stuff to kill, if you're killing everything you're supposed to be gl with the ammo at least in my experience

[hidden coral]

By swarms I mean like

[livid wraith]

if it kills yes

[hidden coral]

Crushers and maulers and ragers

[toxic forge]

I could never imagine this bolter being underwhelming

[white badger]

Yes

[hidden coral]

All swarming at once

[bleak sonnet]

95 ammo

[hidden coral]

Also it's more dps on bosses

[toxic forge]

It's 127 total on vet but aight

[hidden coral]

Like

[severe dove]

From the looks of it psyker gets it's biggest powerspike at lvl 15

[hidden coral]

If you've run the XII without the power sword

You'll notice you can be swarmed

[bleak sonnet]

if you're running as the only one who needs ammo like you said, that's a better situation

[hidden coral]

By these armoured boys

[bleak sonnet]

all 4 people in my party need ammo

[worthy wasp]

I have EVERYTHING on either low or off and am getting massive fps drops in hordes. Like, to ~10fps

[toxic forge]

but if Im the only one shooting ranged chaff, why would everyone else need ammo? makes no sense

[severe dove]

Also, should i use wrack and ruin as my lvl 10 as a lower level psyker since i'm just doing malice?

[pure rapids]

the game is CPU intensive

especially during hordes

[toxic forge]

And if you just know how to aim you're not using that much ammo

[white badger]

Turn DLSS on, to balanced.

[wide quail]

Hello frens this is my current progress. I do not like the staffs very much, but I do a enjoy weapon swap speeds. Opinons?

[bleak sonnet]

my group shoots everything :P

[hidden coral]

Have you tried all staves?

[worthy wasp]

I had 0 issues prior to patch

[hidden coral]

Voidstrike and Surge tend to be popular

[livid wraith]

what a chad

[night marten]

this doesn't tell us much at all without seeing stats

[toxic forge]

Well there you go, don't need to waste time aiming your bolter at every riflemen because your group shoots everything, thus making bolter the best option lol

[hidden coral]

Yeah I will say Bolter is better if you have someone you can rely on shooting shooters

[bleak sonnet]

if i'm the vet im the de-facto rifleman killer

[hidden coral]

But even for QP it can perform well

Eh

Vet can have multiple roles

[bleak sonnet]

i would rather my other party members focus the elites

[white badger]

Well, it would be cool if Psykers had a lot of good build options that aren't just roleplay or memes.

[hidden coral]

I also prefer to be the anti-shooter which is why I currently run the XII

It's more versatile

[worthy wasp]

FidelityFX 2 or 1.0? Or both?

[wide quail]

G is my best fren swaping with knife and las pistol is a god send. The last pistol does gives us a warp push and does help..

[hidden coral]

But the Bolter can be used more generally as well

Oh and also I love the quick ready speed on the XII

[livid wraith]

2 only. 1 is cataracts-vision

[white badger]

Is your GPU from Nvidia or AMD?

[worthy wasp]

Nvidia 1070

[pure rapids]

doesn't matter if it's nvidia < 2000 cards have no DLSS

[toxic forge]

but why when Vet kills elites the fastest lol

[white badger]

OK, Fidelity stuff off. And.. a 1070 is pretty old right now. You can't really use DLSS, which literally doubles FPS for 2xxx+ cards

[livid wraith]

I use 1070, use Fx 2 balanced on 1080p

[shadow quail]

my 1080ti is still chugging quite well

[hidden coral]

Ye even with the XII Vet is a great elite killer

[worthy wasp]

Just odd because I had zero issues prior to patch

[toxic forge]

Bolter Vet has the fastest TTK on every enemy in the game, Helbore and Accatran VId are close 2nds.

[pure rapids]

yea but that's like practically 2 levels above a 1070

[bleak sonnet]

i think we just have different playstyles

and party comps

[white badger]

Bolter vet is the current S++ tier, yep.

[bleak sonnet]

lol

[shadow quail]

true, my mate has a980 and it just doesnt work in this game lol

[hidden coral]

Sure! I play QP most of the time

[toxic forge]

I think I just don't miss so I don't worry about ammo that much lol

[hidden coral]

So I'm attracted to more general builds

Rather than specialising for a specific role

[worthy wasp]

1070 was playing a steady 60 fps prior to patch on 1080p

I had it capped at 60

[shadow quail]

wait for more patch

emperor wills it

[worthy wasp]

And I didnt have all the settings all the way down either

[hidden coral]

And Bolter is nice for that since it can deal with any target, only struggling a lil with shooters and like

Really long range

[livid wraith]

damn dude. Beta was shaky, the first patch fucked my performance, then the second patch made it all gravy. Maybe try reinstalling. I'm running 1070 and it auto-config'd me to medium, I decided to leave it there and turn off stuff like motion blur, dof, subsurface, and i run FX 2 on balanced.

[white badger]

Only reason I don't use a Bolter on my vet is I prefer fast transitions to melee and back. So I use a XII, which is also pretty great! But it's no Bolter.

[hidden coral]

My issue is def cpu, maybe you should be considering that more than gpu?

Also certain background programs I find can screw me over

Like discord haha

[glossy hemlock]

Turn off volumetric fog as well, if you still have it on. I'm running a 3080 ti and just the fog alone will hit my fps

[white badger]

Does the FX2 stuff impact Nvidia cards? I thought that was an AMD thing

[livid wraith]

Most definitely

[pure rapids]

it does for those that don't have DLSS

[livid wraith]

Nvidia's is an nvidia thing. AMD works on everything.

[white badger]

Ah

[pure rapids]

DLSS overwrites FX2

[white badger]

good to know!

[livid wraith]

ah

It was the only way I could run cyberpunk when it first came out.

[pure rapids]

if you turn FX2 on it'll turn DLSS off

but for cards without DLSS, AMD stuff is your best bet

[white badger]

DLSS is a miracle tech, heh.

[pure rapids]

yeap and with DLSS 2 and stuff with 3000 and 4000 cards

the fps are really upping

but the prices suck

[wet finch]

as a VT2 player for me the bolter also felt very sluggish because of the equip time and reload time. Cant instantly just clap a trapper or whatever threat. Also run XII or shotgun if im playing vet. Main psyker ofc

[white badger]

3070 here. DLS almost doubles my framerate in many games

[pure rapids]

yeap

miracle tech

but really it's all pre-setup stuff Nvidia do with GeForce Experience

all the good frames you're getting

[white badger]

Also, the XII just feels freaking great. I feel like it must heaps of aim-assist, as I am way better at headshots than my skill level merits.

[worthy wasp]

Half tempted to just go to best buy and buy a new computer. I'd order off newegg but I live in upstate ny lol

And it fkn snows

[white badger]

Well, GPU's are back in a reasonable range now, so it's a much better time to get a new rig than last year

[shadow quail]

they are

[white badger]

Unless you want to wait probably 2 months for the 4070

[worthy wasp]

3070 seems like the best bang for buck atm, similar to how 1070 was at the time I got this

[shadow quail]

not new ones surely

[worthy wasp]

I dont play games that are very gpu intensive

[white badger]

Yeah, I am super happy with the 3070. It also has reasonable power-draw. 3080's are like running a freaking dry cleaner.

[worthy wasp]

I just want longevity

[novel blade]

game plays pretty good on my 3070, make sure you lower your number of corpses to the minimum amount for a massive fps increase

[worthy wasp]

And 1070 has lasted me fkn ages

[bleak sonnet]

i run on a 1080 for like7 years

god card

[shadow quail]

10 series was got tier

[livid wraith]

10 series is like the 4 series

[white badger]

Eh, if you can wait until early February (probably), the 4070 is likely to have great bang for the buck, and will be able to use the next raft of techs

[livid wraith]

460 lasted for so god damn long

[shadow quail]

except you didn't need a mortage to get a 1080

[bright cipher]

im out here on a 3070ti being bottlenecked by my 1600

[livid wraith]

tru. but longevity wise great card.

[white badger]

Shit, I kept my 1080ti so long, it was damn near eligible to vote.

[shadow quail]

Yeah but the longevity from the 40 series comes from how long it will take you to pay it off

[white badger]

Well, the 4090/ 4080 prices are goofy as hell. Rumous has it the -70 and -60 will be a bit more realistic

[shadow quail]

I refuse

[bleak sonnet]

40 series is a power maniac

[shadow quail]

I can afford it, fuck them.

[bleak sonnet]

u gonna end up paying even more

[pure rapids]

size as well

[bleak sonnet]

for energy bill

[pure rapids]

easily eats up more space in your PC case

[dusk pilot]

I'm using a 2070 super and it's running great for me at medium settings at 2k

[livid wraith]

I'm talking about the original 460 not the new series. 2010 cards. The 460 was fairly reasonable if I remember. lasted for like 6-7 years.

[bright cipher]

i only upgraded from my 1070ti to 3070ti because in a stroke of pure luck the manufacturer forced retailers to sell that one model close to MSRP during the height of bloated price

[pure rapids]

small PC case? forget about it

[dusk pilot]

(And DLSS at performance mode)

[bleak sonnet]

if i was gonna upgrade from my 1080 i'd prob just stress test a few used mining 380s

3080s

for a few hundo each

[shadow quail]

yeah Im looking at a 3080

[bleak sonnet]

till one works

[bright cipher]

funny thing tho

[shadow quail]

have a 1080 ti now, tbh it's still fine at 1440p but kid wants a pc

[white badger]

You'll need a new PSU, too

[bright cipher]

i have a 3070ti and DT runs better using AMD Fidelity than DLSS

[white badger]

And likely a MB

[bright cipher]

youd think itd be the opposite right

[shadow quail]

i might go amd tbh

[tacit fractal]

Tf?

[white badger]

Huh.. I have to test that now, Wags

[bright cipher]

DLSS = 50-60 fps, Fidelity = 60-80 fps

[livid wraith]

I don't have experience but isn't AMD Fidelity blurrier than DLSS?

[mild lotus]

What's amd fidelity?

[bleak sonnet]

amd is so shit man

[bright cipher]

not with sharpen on

[pure rapids]

way blurrier

[bleak sonnet]

save urself the experience

[tacit fractal]

In the gpu department yes

[mild lotus]

It isn't anymore

[bright cipher]

idk what or why this is the case

[white badger]

3070 at 3440x1440, I get a steady 80+ with everything turned up except RTX (off) and Volumetric Fog (low). Oh, and corpses turned way down

[worthy wasp]

50-60fps on a 3070ti? Holy fuck this game is horribly optimized

[bright cipher]

yes

[livid wraith]

For budget gamers though I thank the AMD gods allowing even us traitorous nvidia users to use their tech.

[bleak sonnet]

bro i get more fps than that on my 1080

huh

[white badger]

Wags, you have RTX on?

[bright cipher]

at 1440p with all settings on low

fuck no

[pure rapids]

tbh AMD is the reason why NVIDIA even has lower priced cards

[bright cipher]

fuck RTX

[shadow quail]

without upscaling?

[pure rapids]

or you're just gonna see easily each card costing 1k+

[bleak sonnet]

yeah no upscale

[tacit fractal]

I’m having a stroke with my AMD more in Monster Hunter World on medium settings than on my old 1050ti on ultra settings

[white badger]

Wags, something is wrong, then. I only have a 3070, and I get much better results. Your CPU may be the issue.

[bleak sonnet]

AMD has some serious quality issues in my experience

horribly inconsistent

[shadow quail]

Im leaning more towards AMD this time

[white badger]

Yeah, and AMD drivers historically suck.

[tacit fractal]

CPUs from AMD are god tier

[mild lotus]

It all comes down on for which system the game has been optimised for

[bright cipher]

oh yeah for sure i mentioned before im getting bottlenecked by my 1600

[white badger]

Ok - makes sense, then

[mild lotus]

You can't just rule out hardware because numbers aren't the same

[tacit fractal]

Lots of games aren’t optimised well with AMD which sucks

[pure rapids]

why has this turn into tech chat

[bright cipher]

id upgrade but i got a new job recently and i got some big irl stuff so i cant throw around pc money

[white badger]

You've tried turning Worker Threads down? That rebalances the load between GPU CPUI

[shadow quail]

depending on how these new cards perform in real life benchmarks, it's looking like AMD is several hundreds cheaper for same performance

[pure rapids]

are we actually tech priests???

[grizzled iris]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/345770af-fa37-43a1-9d63-a7dc7bb70b9e/damnation-support-psyker

[tacit fractal]

Psykers :)

[livid wraith]

AMD's were the card you bought to overclock the fuck out of back in the day. Burn em up in 2 years at the same or cheaper cost.

[pure rapids]

nah we tech priests now

[mild lotus]

Im running a RX 6700 XT and doing just fine other than today's games poor optimisation overall

[bright cipher]

yeah i set it down to only the physical cores and it helped a lot

[tacit fractal]

The shit is this?

[bleak sonnet]

ive OC'd my CPU and GPU in this rig nonstop for 7 years

5.20 ghz CPU from like 2015 babyyy

[bright cipher]

kinetic shield over kinetic deflection and ascendant blaze without a purge staff?

[white badger]

Looks like the standard Lightning build.

[mild lotus]

Kinetic shield is good

[bright cipher]

yeah i should rly crank my 1600 up its finally showing its age

[livid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/engines-top-gun-maverick-fire-up-gotta-blast-coming-gif-25325804

[bleak sonnet]

water cooling my temps are great:P

ive been actively trying to fuck this thing up tho so i can justify an upgrade

it wont kick

[white badger]

Ascendent Blaze without Purge Staff is actually better than you expect. As those things die, you get your charges back fast

[pure rapids]

your system being like "YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME"

[bleak sonnet]

i mean i dont mind

runs everything fine

[livid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-perhaps-maybe-gif-16249623

[bleak sonnet]

this pc is sentimental to me man, its been 7 years

first pc i built

myself

[white badger]

It's a toddler! 😉

[shadow quail]

1 minute left until I get more disappointment at the store

[livid wraith]

"Maybe you get your charges back. Maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself" - the game

[bleak sonnet]

im only 21 so 7 years is like

a third of my life bro

[bright cipher]

i get that feel

[white badger]

Yep. You have glommed onto the reason why time speeds up as you age. Seriously. It does.

[bright cipher]

i built the 1st itteration of my pc back in high school after slaving away in a factory during summer for 2 months

[livid wraith]

shut up its not true shut up its not true shut up its not true - Checks calendar FAUCK

[mild lotus]

At lvl 30, you have the choice between gambling your charges for a decent dot on trash mobs or being able use bb as it should have always been for several seconds

[warm delta]

should I get this? it's void staff though, haven't used void staff much

[mild lotus]

Void is really great

[bleak sonnet]

that's kind of

[mild lotus]

And easy to use

[bleak sonnet]

a reall good roll

[mild lotus]

Buy it

[bleak sonnet]

id buy it and i dont even use staffs

[livid wraith]

Id buy it for the knowledge at the least.

[white badger]

I would get that. I don't like Void staff at all now. But if they buff it someday, that's a beast of a roll.

[warm delta]

only got just enough to buy one, was waiting for a good surge staff to come up tho, but ok I guess I will take this one, will try it out maybe

[livid wraith]

Maniac damage kinda blows i think you want unarmoured but if that still slaps unarmored on damnation then thats a great roll.

[mild lotus]

Void staff is dad's barbecue skewers simulator

Aim for the head

And gg, no more horde

[livid wraith]

I want one with the quell peril on weakspot to see if it works well with the toughness on peril quell

[mild lotus]

Unarmoured and flak armour perks will be the meta perks for many weapons I feel

[bleak sonnet]

depends on breakpoints

flak armor dmg is really crazy on lasgun, lets me 2 shot stuff i usually 3 shot

[mild lotus]

For charge weapons like staves, it will help tons

[bleak sonnet]

yeah

unarmored+flak purge will be

a sight for sore eyes

that'll shred

[signal turret]

Might have to go back to deflector FS 😦

hate to see it

[mild lotus]

Also helps for the force sword specials as you tend to not one shot ragers with it in t5

[bleak sonnet]

y

[mild lotus]

• horde clearing

[signal turret]

toss up of skill in damnation, group I just wiped on current rotation with needed the clutch

[bleak sonnet]

yeah

i agree FS with randoms

[rich dune]

Are there any good detailed psyker builds out there yet? Just wondering if anyone has any links on hand

[signal turret]

hate using that pool noodle of a weapon vs hordes

[mild lotus]

Get flak and unarmoured perkz

It becomes a good horde clearer

And one shots almost all specials even in t5

[white badger]

That's why I like FS + Purgatus. You have horde clear and single-target. You do give up elite pack CC from surge. Still feels good to play.

[lethal plover]

@bleak sonnet tried out mk 12 on damnation

the feeling that I can describe is that I'm now the ogryn vet psyker

[signal turret]

I just have to be ultra sweaty when using it which is exhausting, have to play more carefully

[bleak sonnet]

:)

[signal turret]

axe is ez-mode horde clear, imma miss it 😦

[lethal plover]

I literally hard carried by peril block

[mild lotus]

How exactly?

[white badger]

I haven't seen anything definitive. Most use Force Sword, MK V Axe or Dueling Blade for melee. Then either a Void/ Purgatsus staff for more damage, or a Lightning Staff for more CC (and great damage against armored stuff)

Peril Block + Deflector Force Sword makes us tiny ogryns 😉

Sorta

[lethal plover]

everyone literally went down multiple times until only I survived

vet died like 10 times lol

[mild lotus]

That's already barely half of the psyker armory, pretty definitive to me.

[lethal plover]

but as long as I lived, we couldn't lose

[mild lotus]

Axe?

[lethal plover]

yeah

[shadow quail]

FS is tanky af

[mild lotus]

Then Im not interested anymore

[white badger]

Seriously, try Peril Block with a Deflector FS. You can take a ludicrous amount of damage. And you can rez like an ogryn.

[shadow quail]

and great cc

[signal turret]

My baby is going to be a beast when crafting launches

[pine topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXwWsyuCmBo&t=395s&ab_channel=FimblyJim

[lethal plover]

one thing that gun psyker can do

[pure rapids]

oo is that the distribution you want for axe?

[lethal plover]

is that BB is not affected by suppression

[mild lotus]

A ratling stole your penetration?

[signal turret]

Penetration is kinda ass but the remaining distribution is nice

[mild lotus]

An ogryn ate it perhaps?

[lethal plover]

when suppression kicks in I can switch to BB to shut up some elites

[pure rapids]

aight I'll look out for that for my axes

[signal turret]

Lol thats when I dodge back, swap to Surge, and let the group take care of it haha

[bright wind]

Do you lot prefer Kinetic Flayer or Warp battery for level 25 Psyker?

[mild lotus]

Or the commissar executed it maybe ?

[pine topaz]

I need to roll on a good purge staff

[mild lotus]

Flayer

[signal turret]

Flayer

[mild lotus]

Every day of the week

[lethal plover]

an answer in a vacuum ? which build?

because flame build requires 6 warp stacks

[bright cipher]

i watched 2 vids from this guy and came to the conclusion that he has no clue what the fuck hes talking about when it comes to psyker

any and all HIGH END END GAME TOP TIER advice from this guy might as well be tossed in the bin

i hate clickfarming content creators

[bright wind]

I am running Purge staff force blade Psyker. with 2, 1, 1, 3 as my current skills.

[mild lotus]

All caps yt vids are a bane

[pine topaz]

@bright cipher i mean, there's always one....

[bright cipher]

THE BEST PSYKER BUILD KILLING SPREE RAMPAGE DOMINATION CARRY YOUR TEAM IN PUBS EMEPERORS CHOSEN (WH40k: Darktide - Commentary gameplay)

[mild lotus]

Of I could block these kind of titles...

[lethal plover]

I can't say that I enjoy playing with gun as a psyker
but when the comparison is that to a vet, then I literally live forever compared to a vet

[pine topaz]

Content creators can really rub some people a bad way 🙂

[mild lotus]

Mostly speaks of how much your vids are unnattractive if you need to TYPE IN ALL CAPS

[bright cipher]

after u play enough games at an "end game/high tier" level you realize nothing worth saying is ever in video format

and anything relevant is in written form

[signal turret]

queue damnation its on ez-mode if youve never moved up from heresy

[pure rapids]

100%

[bright cipher]

mythic+ content, t16 maps in PoE, vt2 cata farming, aoe2 build order strat, etc, etc, etc

[pure rapids]

videos are a waste of time imo

put it on a page

build editor whatever

I scroll through up down

done

[bright cipher]

people forgot gamefaqs guides existed

[pure rapids]

don't need to sit there and scroll through videos of yargon

[pure rapids]

yea but these days I just look at Steam guides

Royale with Cheese did well by VT2

hoping there's someone who can fill that role

[bright cipher]

if anyone knows the game Marauders i wrote up an extensive guide for it in google docs for where info was precise, short and useful

[pure rapids]

or even Royale with Cheese himself again

[bright cipher]

and it has constant viewers using it

then every up and coming streamer used it to make 10 minute videos

[pure rapids]

yea 100%

[bright cipher]

[pure rapids]

sounds about right

but I guess some people need videos as opposed to a simple wall of text

[lethal plover]

different kinds of info

technical builds, text is better
how to play a build, video is better

[bright cipher]

i wrote the whole thing so anything youre looking for is described in 3-4 sentences with pictures alongside it for those that need visual aid

[pure rapids]

well yea but surely I don't need to watch 10+ mins right?

5 mins will do?

[lethal plover]

10 min is probably for... ad purposes

it's how it be

[livid wraith]

I use videos sometimes if don't play that type of game normally and I'm just vibing out. If I'm already proficient at a game and am minmaxing there's not usually useful info in yt guides.

[bright cipher]

i disagree, build orders for sc or aoe are best in a plain notepad format lol

[lethal plover]

you didn't disagree

technical info is best in text

how to play something isn't that

[pure rapids]

and I will always forever hate them for it

[lethal plover]

like for instance, you can explain in words how rivers of blood in elden ring is bad, but they won't believe you

whoops them in a match with video and they will see

[bright cipher]

i remember my longbow rush BO was something like:
6 vil
vil to sheep
scout micro
1 vil gold
1 vil mine, gold
1 vil house, food
1 vil food
1 vil gold
Avill food
gold vil to chall, gold

etc

so simple yet so clear

[feral haven]

what's it like being a lvl 30 psycher?

[lethal plover]

chad ogryn vet psyker

[pure rapids]

Veteran babysitter

[livid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-wizard-hagrid-afirmation-magic-magical-gif-16533730

[lethal plover]

a gun psyker can switch to BB when suppressed. that's a decent advantage

[worthy wasp]

Performance update: Steady 60fps again after changing Fidelity 2.0 to Balanced from off

Holy shit

The 1070 continued to perform

[pure rapids]

whatever to get that chuggin'

[livid wraith]

You run 2 wounds...

[lethal plover]

I'm also the one who hard carried the game by being the last alive

[worthy wasp]

I run 2 hp curious and a toughness

[pure rapids]

actually there is a threshold no?

[hidden coral]

I like 1 wound for 3 total in Heresy+

[pure rapids]

even if you had 4 wounds

[livid wraith]

I mean I'm not slandering your ability, I'm just.... why 2 wounds?

[hidden coral]

More than that is a bit unnecessary and easier to be overtaken by corruption

[pure rapids]

you'd still take 2 bars worth of chaos damage if you're downed

cause your HP ain't higher

[lethal plover]

because from experience, if I live, we live

[pure rapids]

I find 3 wounds to be a nice balance

for Heresy at least

[worthy wasp]

Dont die

[livid wraith]

I like 1 extra wound to be safe, but 2 wounds seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot to try and save your leg.

[worthy wasp]

0 wound life

[lethal plover]

well yeah, diminishing returns, is why I don't go for 3

2 is okay for me

[pure rapids]

I would if T4 ain't always hi-intensity

[worthy wasp]

0 wound with a surge staff

Feels good

[pure rapids]

and the chaos damage often ain't me being downed

[worthy wasp]

Ye, grims/tanking daemonhosts/specials/etc...

[pure rapids]

there's always some chip chaos damage going through

[worthy wasp]

Been debating grabbing 1 wound

[hidden coral]

That being said I did find out total health also counters corruption

My 0 health curio veteran always has way more corruption than everyone else when grims get picked up

[pure rapids]

yea if you had enough health

you can get by with 2 wounds

cause even if you get downed you'd still have that chip HP left in 1 bar to still get downed 1 more time for a total of 3 downs

but it's chip HP

so......

[lethal plover]

grims ....

I don't mind challenges but it seems to be a challenge that heavily disfavors people with less total health

though it's funny that the people who keep insisting on picking up grims on damnation often die and lose it

I guess nature finds an equilibrium

[pure rapids]

yea grims ain't worth picking up at all

[worthy wasp]

Ye... emperors gift in dt is signif worse than vt2

[lethal plover]

I don't know if I wanna keep playing gun psyker, it's effective but I'm not sure it's fun

[boreal condor]

Do you block ranged attacks by default, or is the only way with Force Sword + Deflector blessing?

[worthy wasp]

Need deflector

[ebon wigeon]

what's good about the axe? not the assassin type one

[pure rapids]

push attack can stagger ragers

[ebon wigeon]

its heavy attack is a vertical chop

[pure rapids]

great damage

[lethal plover]

you wanna live forever and mows down zombie hordes with ragers and maulers ?

[ebon wigeon]

is it good for crowd control? it wasnt getting kills

[pure rapids]

how?

[ebon wigeon]

i dunno

im perfect

is it light attacks for trash and heavy for armor?

[bright cipher]

i told u

[grizzled iris]

Heavy has carapase penetration and lights are strong vs flak armor

Edit: The MK V axe also has the best moveset out of all axes updown lights in a 90 ish degree angle that headshots any enemy in front or shoulder / chest hit on the sides.

[lethal plover]

except heavy nor light will be what you mainly use

just push attack mainly

light is for mutants and dogs, while heavy is for crushers

[grizzled iris]

The push attack is good for horde clear indeed

[lethal plover]

4 light for mutants on damnation

[bright cipher]

i prefer push into light instead of a push into push attack

feels like that swing does less dmg than normal

[lethal plover]

the light attack of axe has less cleave and more damage

cleaving is good for horde

[ebon wigeon]

i understand now, thanks. you went down though lel

[lethal plover]

went down ?

[ebon wigeon]

oh it was a rez

yeah ive been using the sword's heavies for crowd control

so using lights is throwing me off

[lethal plover]

with axe you will be sleeping through the horde

I mostly played on autopilot

[lethal plover]

no skill involved even

mk 5 is better

find a mk 5 and worship it

[ebon wigeon]

its not even available for me yet

[bright cipher]

im not a huge fan of the available skins but i bought the red mkV skin

because it changes the design

and it looks like a firemans axe

enhances my skull cleaving experience

[pure rapids]

fashiontide

the true endgame

[hidden coral]

I like the green camo on a lot of the swords/knives, feel like a tactical bean

[bright cipher]

staves are the saddest example of skins tho

it only colors the top part of the shaft

the upside is you can slap any stave skin on any staff

[lethal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[bright cipher]

so u can have a surge staff with the top part of a purge or whatever

[elder stag]

should i play a cleave melee or single high dmg melee?

i have flame thrower staff

[lethal plover]

which weapon?

[elder stag]

wait logging in to see the name of the weapon, but im currently using the chainsaw

[lethal plover]

why even use it

[bright cipher]

chainswords should really cause inherent bleed without blessings

[ebon wigeon]

i dont like staves

[bright cipher]

i mean its literally "rip and tear" the sword

[bright cipher]

sir you are in #psyker-class

[lethal plover]

sounds like gun psyker is your profession. get the mk 12

[fervent trench]

What are good curios for a psyker? Toughness?

[lethal plover]

at least 1 wound, then nothing really matters

[cyan notch]

i like health spam

[bright cipher]

yeah 1 wound is mandatory

[cyan notch]

nah its not mandatory

[bright cipher]

so any miniscule amount of corruption doesnt instantly push u into deah territory

[cyan notch]

depends on what difficulty you play

[bright cipher]

i only talk about damnation

for any other difficulty nothing is mandatory

and you can run whatever u want

[cyan notch]

well im assuming hes not just talking about one specific difficulty

[gray island]

i like 2 wound 1 toughness

[sinful peak]

can anyone help me with these 2 psycker penances, its impossible to do them without a team that knows wat im trying to do, i gotta push 7 enemies off a ledge in 2 seconds, and kill 3 elites on malice+ by killing myself, i cant get either done with everyone just running through killing everything

[compact cargo]

Wound is less efficient than running more hp

corruption is not % based

[worthy wasp]

Dont die

Ye

[lethal plover]

that's assuming anyone cares about grims

[compact cargo]

Exactly

[worthy wasp]

Run hp

[hidden coral]

1 wound i find is still nice for non-ogryns, since it makes getting pushed over the edge to 1 wound left take longer

4 wounds total tends to be pretty unnecessary though

[compact cargo]

If ur dying ur already in a death spiral with low hp

[elder stag]

if it is the same weapon, let us say an axe, what is the diff between MK 7 and MK 4? is it just stats or are the moves diff

[lethal plover]

moves different

for melee at least

[compact cargo]

Moves, similar stats

[worthy wasp]

Ohhh shittttt

I think I may actually make the swap

Atrox Mk2 is p beastly

But idk, the cleave on mk5 is insane

[bright cipher]

i dont like it because it isnt as meaty

[autumn lark]

this might be a dumb prediction but the teaser the devs posted about chaos forces might be an excuse to put in all of the weapons by saying youre authorized to more access in the armory

[ebon wigeon]

https://i.imgur.com/4BesWHu.png im enjoying a gun like this

[lethal plover]

it's weaker than 12 that's for sure

[grizzled iris]

🤮

[ebon wigeon]

guys not everyone is level 30 already

[gray island]

how dare you have fun with less than optimal weapons

thats veteran mentality

wow someone didn't play the beta smh

[lethal plover]

12 is the same gun
just bigger damage

[compact cargo]

mg IV is the worst las rifle

[lethal plover]

this game's design is pretty funny. so many guns are completely worthless

[compact cargo]

most non braced autoguns

rip

[weary palm]

finally got deflector on a very mid roll

[gray island]

horde it for crafting

[bright cipher]

dont even worry about stat rolls if ur not 30 yet

[weary palm]

ye im not but i have a 310 dueling sword so this is shit even for right now

[gray island]

299 - 310 isnt that huge a difference

[weary palm]

my b, 310 base stats lmao

[gray island]

oooh lmao

[weary palm]

yeah i go off base rolls by now lol sorry

[gray island]

ur fine im tripping

[weary palm]

the meme is kinetic shield + deflector righT?

[gray island]

really tempted to slam my weekly creds into rng melee weapons right now

[weary palm]

i did that on zealot and regretted my life

[gray island]

thats all i needed to hear. thank u sibling

[lethal plover]

the meme is axe

[weary palm]

FS please gib force dueling sword

[grizzled iris]

There are 3 types of infantry lasguns.
MK IV low damage, fast rate of fire.
MK VI meh damage, medium rate of fire.
MK XII Big damage, slow rate of fire.

[grizzled iris]

Count Dooku?

[lethal plover]

the rate of fire is the destruction of your finger

[bright cipher]

knife zealots out there with compression gloves so they dont get RSI

[lethal plover]

for semi-auto why would you curse yourself

[cyan echo]

Lasgun aka Carpal Pattern MK IV

[compact cargo]

Daily reminder all of the las rifles have the same ammo

[hot ice]

Just bind attack to scroll up/down, ezgg

[weary palm]

any autohotkey DD shade gamers?

[dawn orchid]

What's the best mk of the dueling saber?

[lethal plover]

I only use autohotkey for farming in gacha games

[lethal plover]

mk 5

[weary palm]

im a mk4 enthusiast

[hot ice]

Its really just moveset that's the main difference

[weary palm]

it's just rat game rapier

[hot ice]

I like both mk4 and 5

[lethal plover]

dodge distance

[hot ice]

Wait really

Huh

Didn't know that

[lethal plover]

it's better than the knife rn

[hot ice]

Ill have to take a peek

[lethal plover]

which is lel

[hot ice]

Massive W for us duelling sword enthusiasts

[bright cipher]

the diff between the 2 swords is like 7% extra dodge distance

which is massive

[grizzled iris]

MK V

[lethal pecan]

anyone know these icons are?

the first one in particular

[dawn orchid]

coherency

[weary palm]

coh

[hot ice]

2nd is some stat

[weary palm]

warp charges

[hot ice]

Who knows what that is

[weary palm]

and sprinting

[hot ice]

[leaden swan]

Anyone uses force staffs?

[bright cipher]

nope

[lethal pecan]

and trying to figure out this

[bright cipher]

not a single psyker

[lethal plover]

force staffs?

[lethal pecan]

like pls game tell me what soul blaze is

[bright cipher]

its shit

[lethal pecan]

me

[grizzled iris]

What is a force staff?

[weary palm]

it's burn but white and also this trait kinda ass

[hot ice]

Force staff? Trauma?

[lethal plover]

sounds like a stupid name

[leaden swan]

Do you like it?

[bright cipher]

voidstrike, trauma, surge, purgatus

theyre all force staves

[grizzled iris]

Are you sure?

[bright cipher]

yes

[lethal plover]

anyone here uses a weapon?

[weary palm]

no, bb only

[bright cipher]

nah

[grizzled iris]

I don't believe you

[hot ice]

I only run through lvls

[bright cipher]

i use diplomacy when dealing with the nurgle followers

[hot ice]

I have never used a weapon

[grizzled iris]

Levels? I'm stuxk in queue

[bright cipher]

nurgle is know to be quite wholesome and malevolent after all

why resort to violence

[lethal plover]

I just saw someone whack the demonic pimples with a staff

it was hilarious

[hot ice]

Papa nurgle is wholesome chungus 100 keanu reaves

[grizzled iris]

Yea, violence are for zealots

[hot ice]

I died inside typing that

[weary palm]

i kiss the mutant on the cheek and he lets me go :)

[hot ice]

Im sorry

[leaden swan]

Warp Absorption seems to be a good choice for your first perk perk slot

[lethal plover]

you would have to find his head first

[bright cipher]

judging from the zealot voice lines, the zealot player character is already corrupted by khorne, wether theyre aware of it or not is unknown

[weary palm]

no im not :(

[hot ice]

"Skulls for the emperor! Blood for the Golden Throne!"

[lethal plover]

from the voice lines Morrow is part of genestealer cult

[bright cipher]

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[weary palm]

[hot ice]

I got it swapped around

[leaden swan]

Is the Psyker under the influence of any chaos god?

[ripe ice]

As a warhammer lore noob i never understood how Nurgle is considered the chillest of the chaos gods. Tzeentch sounds chiller

[bright cipher]

possibly

[hot ice]

Nah he's just schizo

[bright cipher]

but not clear