psyker-class

[ruby merlin]

Yours is better than mine by a bit 😛

Ideally I want decimator + brutal momentum, that would be insane lol

But brutal momentum is the main one.

[sleek herald]

funny thing is it's cleave 27%, but brutal means infinite cleave so it doesn't matter

[bright cipher]

yeah

[ruby merlin]

Yep, makes it a dump stat

[bright cipher]

might as well be a 370 base axe

[ruby merlin]

if that was decimator instead of limbsplitter, that would be so OP lol

(that one adds like 15% power per swing, and stacks 5 times or something like that)

really OP if you're just swarm clearing or having to heavy attack some ogryn.

[south monolith]

It was bugged

[sleek herald]

limbsplitter still adds 20% to the block attack so it's still good to spam push and block attack

[bright cipher]

limbsplitter isnt bad at all considering how much block, push, light, block, push, light you do

[ruby merlin]

yep

If force sword gets equal passive quell compared to the axe, it will have some niche use IMO

[weak aspen]

i knew something was wrong with the surge staff peril buildup

[sleek herald]

I tought it didn't and that it was shit, but lucky me

[weak aspen]

didn't feel like it worked the way any of the other peril builders did, and lo and behold it was indeed bugged

[bright cipher]

i feel like if u want FS to compare to the axe in usefulness you really need Exorcist AND Deflector on it

[ruby merlin]

@bright cipher they should just give it the same passive quell as every other melee

then it'd be pretty nice IMO

good tanky cc weapon

toughness on demand quickly and safely, works against ranged

and fix it so that it blocks snipers too

[south monolith]

It feels good when you get it for sure

[ruby merlin]

That would make up for the slower and more clunky horde clear IMO

[bright cipher]

honestly the more i play the more Quietitude outshines the other toughness gen perks

you load up on peril with surge ccing big targets

[ruby merlin]

It is obviously the best one no contest.

[bright cipher]

then u swap for the axe and go in to melee to clean up small ones

[ruby merlin]

The best in a clutch situation

the others are a win more thing.

[bright cipher]

and in the meantime u get back any lost toughness

[ruby merlin]

like if you can bb safely, you aren't under pressure

same with warp kills

[bright cipher]

guaranteed toughness gain is in every way better than rng toughness gain

[ruby merlin]

any staff kills, you're sitting around twiddling your thumbs melting things

[bright cipher]

bbing to gain toughness is wasting time imo

[ruby merlin]

Yep for sure

[bright cipher]

and surge doesnt kill enough for the other perk

[signal turret]

Praying I dont have to wait for the crafting system when I upgrade this to orange lol.

[cyan echo]

Flames are truth, believe in them

[ruby merlin]

@signal turret Haha I'm just going to buy every single brutal momentum perk I find

[rapid cliff]

I'm gonna post like 6 images prepare yourself

[ruby merlin]

then just put it onto any antax axe with good base

then upgrade to orange and pray

[rapid cliff]

Here's the current pool of weapons I have, should I keep the orange or upgrade the purples to orange/what should I change

[manic needle]

Its honestly just the best toughness gen perk for Surge staff

[signal turret]

Yeah i've got about 3 with brutal momentum perk that are low stat mk v's, I hope they dont throw some bs curveball with the crafting system

[bright cipher]

HOLY SPAM

[ruby merlin]

@signal turret upgrade to orange and pray for brutal momentum 😛

[rapid cliff]

I said prepare yourself

[bright cipher]

your build is wack

your shoes wack

the way that u dress wack

[austere burrow]

what is this psykinetic's aura change

was it actually bugged

lol

[bright cipher]

yes

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[bright cipher]

it also now counts special AND elites

[austere burrow]

holy

that's so strong

[ruby merlin]

@manic needle it's the best because we gain peril from blocking

Meaning you can use it to gain toughness in a situation where you are being overrun, without making a risky decision.

[livid wraith]

WE BB MAINS NOW BOIS

[ruby merlin]

Which is super clutch

[austere burrow]

i thought not counting specials was intended since they're not elites

[rapid cliff]

ignored again weep sob cry sob explodes 😭

[manic needle]

Yeah I need to find some good perks that give peril quell on weak spot hit, Im at something like 150 hours played on my Psyker and Ive gotten nothing.

[ruby merlin]

@manic needle try the antax mk v combat axe, it's top tier IMO

the push attack is so strong

you can easily carry damnation with it if you play well.

You perma block bosses, daemonhosts etc

and if you need toughness in a bad spot, hold block and dodge a bit

[manic needle]

I like the combat axe but Im using Force Sword special as a crutch to kill elites on 4/5 since brain burst is bad

[boreal wave]

Awww yes, this is exactly what we needed. Psyker meta now.

[ruby merlin]

Eh, bb is okay with ulti + rapid fire bbs

[nocturne maple]

Lesson learned, do not try for psyker penances in an all vet party. They ignored me even when I asked them to hold off, and they were actively chatting

[ruby merlin]

that's mostly when I use bb anyway.

[spare niche]

welcome to vets

[eternal cargo]

Agreed, played around a little and I like Quietitude the most. Not only does it passively work with your playstyle, being able to trigger it on purpose outside of combat is such a clutch feat.

[random wolf]

Personally, don't try for penances at all unless it's an easy one you can do mid match

Like pushing 7 to their deaths.

[manic needle]

OR youre in a group of friends specifically with the aim of achievement hunting

[nocturne maple]

I got that on accident with the flame staff

[random wolf]

"Yo guys stop I need to wade into this swarm of elites and blow myself up for an achievement" sounds a bit concreted lmao

[nocturne maple]

Enemies were spawning climbing up from a bottomless pit

[manic needle]

"Blow yourself up for a chestpiece cosmetic" Yeah Im good thanks

[eternal cargo]

Yeah.. Hunting penances is a pain in the butt for everyone involved

[solid hawk]

can anyone help me with the push 7 enemies i cant seem to get it right

[rapid cliff]

I did the penance already when it was 20

I was at like

9

[dusky kettle]

Aye they are all too frustrating and not something you can really do normally

[spare niche]

i did and it was awesome

[livid wraith]

got mine with a barrel kekw

[nocturne maple]

There were multiple times there was just a group of 3 maulers with no enemies around at all so it would've been safe for me to try for it.

And they ignored me each time

[signal turret]

Are we certain that all weapon blessings are working as intended? Not noticing much of a difference in terms of DPS with my Decimator MK V Axe, a 5 stack should be a 75% power buff and I assume the dmg increase should be significant

[random wolf]

The last part of the mission where you put in false data is the best map for it.

[signal turret]

But can hardly tell a difference

[random wolf]

Tiny ass Bridge. Lots of enemies on it

[manic needle]

Every time I see an opportunity to do it im like, "no I shouldnt, my team needs me"

[boreal wave]

Does the psyker f ability even push people hard enough to send them over a railing

[rapid cliff]

no

[dusky kettle]

Would be, if the perils explosion actually one hit killed them

[nocturne maple]

We're not fully sure how power increases work on guns

[spare niche]

u have to be very close

[nocturne maple]

A couple charged zaps from the staff and they're within perils explosion range

[random wolf]

Spam force Sword push to make space in the middle of the crowd on that tiny bridge then pop F

[solid hawk]

im not to sure what u mean do u kno the mission name?

[spare niche]

its a sabotage missionb

[eternal cargo]

That's just fun with randoms

[floral palm]

Can I get some feedback on if this cloud radius has outright killed this staff? It seems to have high levels elsewhere but the cloud radius is yikes

[south monolith]

power=damage% from the base damage total from the bars

[random wolf]

Vigil Station Oblivium. Espionage

[boreal wave]

This game's mission names be star wars stormtrooper identification codes.

[random wolf]

It's the part right before extraction

[eternal cargo]

It's Purgatus, that kills it by default

[boreal wave]

TK-1138

[rapid cliff]

Is this axe cool

[eternal cargo]

I wish the flames had more than 15 meters range, or the default mouse 1 attack of the other staves

[patent steeple]

btw does BB have any niches in which its good/decent? i have tried to use BB on bosses to make them die faster and it seems to work somewhat...

[manic needle]

Fits the theme of the Imperium lol

[random wolf]

Test it in the Meat Grinder

See how far it shoots

[solid hawk]

oh ok i see it thank you

[bright cipher]

gaining peril through blocking also doesnt cancel out passive peril quelling on non quelling weapons

so u can tank bosses like a mfer

[cyan echo]

I foresee Fatshark nerfing this and making peril gain count as warp usage in a near future

Can't have something feel TOO good now can we?

[cyan echo]

BB snipers or bombers

[eternal cargo]

I really don't understand why the Purgatus staff needs to mimick the flamethrower with the mouse 1 attack. Makes it so much less viable of an option.

[south monolith]

Decimator was providing ~22% more damage when the blessing was for 17.5% stacking 5 times. Now that weapon is 4% and 10 stacks.

[spare niche]

at least i can run quicker too

[manic needle]

I feel like every staff should have its own unique LMB attack, honestly, but yeah not a fan of the Purgatus's either

[sterile lake]

Those are cool weapons

[eternal cargo]

I do somewhat agree, for sure, I just don't understand why the Purgatus is the only one without the normal LMB attack

[orchid nest]

purgatus flame spout left click should be the special attack and every staff should have a cool special attack

[sturdy nymph]

vermintide is why

It was like that in VT

[manic needle]

CTRL+C + CTRL+V

[eternal cargo]

Didn't really play VT before Darktide, but that is a shame.

[near gale]

Is this blessing any good? I would think that it would be useful, but, I haven't used a force sword before.

[spare niche]

yes

[brazen magnet]

best one

[spare niche]

praise the Emperor

[manic needle]

Deflector is the big good

[sturdy nymph]

It is useful yes

[spare niche]

the big good

[eternal cargo]

Yup, definitely good

[patent steeple]

do different force swords (blaze, deflector, etc.) have different effects? i feel like blaze force swords would apply a DoT effect, but i am not sure.

[thorn kestrel]

Damn, lucky

[brazen magnet]

that + slaughterer is my fav

[signal turret]

Kindly requesting someone else with this blessing on any of their weapons to test it in Meat Grinder. Noticing 0 change in DPS with what should be a 5 stack in comparison to 0 stacks.

[near gale]

Does blocking cost warp, with the force sword?

erm peril

[brazen magnet]

no

only the block push

when you hold down left button

and the special attack

[south monolith]

What is your first hit on the body doing?

[near gale]

What is force sword good for? Like I said, i've never used it before.

[tight saddle]

only the block attack, not the push

[boreal wave]

The push itself is free. But then the second push thing that looks like it should be the push costs peril.

[brazen magnet]

force sword with the special charged up does insane amounts of damage on a single target if you let the entire animation finish (about 2 seconds)

yeah what Moon said I ment the block push attack but

it looks like the push 😄

[orchid nest]

It's a good utility weapon for the push/deflection/special attack burst best used when your staff is filling the role of horde clearing.

[near gale]

So it's like a chainsword's rip?

[cyan echo]

Kinda wish FS had a push attack instead of the knockdosn

[brazen magnet]

yes DPW

[near gale]

What's a good ranged/staff to use with it? I'm only level 13, currently, on my Psyker.

[signal turret]

156 on unarmored enemies, block attack

[sleek herald]

warp battery seems like all times worse option than kinetic barrage, change my mind

yes, even flame build

[brazen magnet]

charged attacks destroy bosses, specials and Ogryns

even goes through shield

from ogryn bulwark

staves are personal preference

[south monolith]

If you get it fully stacked it should add 75%. Have to keep attacking. Try spamming lights

[brazen magnet]

I presonally like void and surge for aoe and cc

[near gale]

I know how each staff works, for the most part. I like the zap staff for stunning muties/killing armored.

[south monolith]

75% to you base weapon damage

[boreal wave]

Currently people toss around the surge and voidstrike staves as the psyker meta. Purge is for hipsters. Trauma is G-G-G-GARBAGE

[manic needle]

Im a fan of Surge and Voidstrike. Some Damnation teams get mad when you dont use Surge

[eternal cargo]

If you don't want to rely on others, the Voidstrike staff is fantastic.

[spare niche]

with special

😮

[orchid nest]

Purgatus or Voidstrike for FS pairing. You can make it work with Surge too but axe is stronger overall with it.

[bleak sonnet]

gun psyker hidden meta

dont believe the sheep

[eternal cargo]

I bet you use the XII

[brazen magnet]

Trauma does a fuckton of stagger on HT enemies though

[signal turret]

Made no difference, ill throw together a gif

[brazen magnet]

but yeah, too niche

[bleak sonnet]

sometimes

[sleek herald]

why axe is stronger with surge?

[manic needle]

Real ones use the Stub Revolver like the starting loadout in the Closed Beta

[bleak sonnet]

yes

[sturdy nymph]

stun them, decapitate them

[orchid nest]

because you want to use quietitude with it and passive quelling is much faster on non force weapons

[nocturne maple]

Purge is pretty damn strong too, especially if you get a high burn stat on one.

[eternal cargo]

Though with axe and surge you basically lose most of your horde clear capability

[manic needle]

I hate having no viable ranged except meme burst

[near gale]

Does Quititude work with passive quelling?

[nocturne maple]

Yes

[orchid nest]

Antax mkv has great horde clear especially with the brutal momentum blessing

[nocturne maple]

It works for all peril loss

[near gale]

So at 50%+ peril I get 25% toughness when I use my skill?

[eternal cargo]

Fair, but that's a specific axe with a specific blessing

[nocturne maple]

Yep

[orchid nest]

Fair enough, although if you see someone talk about axe and surge antax is what they mean. I should have been more specific, my bad.

[near gale]

Nice

[bright cipher]

i mean staves arent really a discussion like melee is

[cyan notch]

huh are you sure

[south monolith]

I have a tactical axe that I tested before and after the hotfix this morning. The tooltip was wrong before. It was did increase damage in both tests.

[bright cipher]

theres a debate to be made for FS, axe and dueling sword but theres absolutely no debate for what stave to use unless you intentionally gimp yourself

[hot ice]

antax slaps

[near gale]

Been using dueling sword with a +2 stamina curio, for a while now.

[spare niche]

i need to get an antax

[orchid nest]

I don't really disagree but FS obviously works better with those two vs surge because you aren't reliant on quietitude

[hot ice]

i managed to get a decent antax, and i have taken the antax pill, thanks @worthy wasp

pairs so well with the surge

[hasty ether]

all i ever get from emperors gift are axes and guns >.<

[eternal cargo]

I'll try to check out the Antax in the future, but the dueling sword as a passive peril weapon and the FS as a great all-rounder have worked well for me so far

[near gale]

Is there a better option to Inner Tranquility(6% peril resist per warp charge)? I have trouble keeping the stacks.

[cyan notch]

must be nice to even get emperors gifts

[hot ice]

duelling sword is great as well, but imo the axe has better killing power

[bright cipher]

its less about being reliant on quietitude and more than its very easy to cancel passive quell with FS

[near gale]

Talking level 10 feat.

[manic needle]

Emperor's Gift, Armoury spawns, Limited Time Requisitions spawns..... Such is the Psyker life.

[hot ice]

missions with the green eagle in the bottom right in the mission select have a chance to give you gift

[manic needle]

Sometimes I want to give up my Psyker powers and go worship Khorne. #KyrasGang

[hot ice]

yeah i pinged the wrong person lol

[orchid nest]

I don't use FS for what it's worth I am just responding to someone who wanted to use it. Think we are basically already agreeing

[hasty ether]

did not know that ty!

[near gale]

Happens. :3

[eternal cargo]

My favorite combo is the Voidstrike staff and FS.

[hot ice]

with this knowledge, spam diff 1-2 missions with it and speedrun that shit

[cyan notch]

im not seeing any green eagles do u mind showing a screenshot

[hot ice]

bots will teleport to you if you get far

[boreal wave]

DPW: An increasing number of psykers just say screw charges.

[cyan notch]

oh wtf i thought thats just the background stuff

[hot ice]

yeah in heresy+, you dont want to be BBing, you are either busy surging, flaming, or void striking

ofc you shouldnt forget about BB

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L7c1MrYDyUxxq/d1337ujCf7Vn?invite=cr-MSxxck8sNDg2MDU3NTUs doors are fun

[hot ice]

but time spent BBing means time not spent using your staff

[eternal cargo]

To me, the 4% charges are "nice to have" but not vital

[manic needle]

Please dad let me forget about it 😔

[boreal wave]

The 12% damage from having all four really isn't all that great and taking the feats to make them easier to maintain restricts you a lot

[near gale]

Do I want this, then?

[runic hornet]

yeah, you always prioritize doing literally anything else over BB
BB is for when rifles have your team pinned and you can't contribute in any other way
Or when there's bulwarks from the front, but they're still too far away to use your staff on

[eternal cargo]

..Or you have a Purgatus and need to kill a sniper.

[hot ice]

this is great for void staff

[runic hornet]

There is the purgatus build

But that's a very specific build using a very specific staff

and the fact you have a purgatus staff means that you have no choice but to use BB a lot more

[hot ice]

i did as well until someone told me this sacred knowledge

now go, and spread the gospel

[cyan notch]

🙏

[south monolith]

You get the 5% at 0 peril and it actually affects Forcesword non charged attacks as well

[manic needle]

I still like Inner Tranquility with Voidstrike TBH. It just pairs so well with Battle Meditation

[tired valley]

Hey, what level dos purgatus staff unlock?

[signal turret]

From what I can tell, with a 5 stack my damage using a body shot for scale increases from 151 to 156... And thats supposed to be a 75% power increase??

[near gale]

Oh that's actually quite neat.

[runic hornet]

I forget exactly, but i'm fairly certain you have it before level 15

[near gale]

It's level 15 iirc

[tired valley]

Nice, i'm 14 soon on my psyker

[near gale]

I saw a guide

[runic hornet]

if it was the one on steam, it's incredibly out of date

[eternal cargo]

My favorite use of the FS is using it as a quick toughness heal
Just spam the special activation and then quell

[sterile lake]

Finally now I know 🦅

[near gale]

I could be wrong, I haven't been schooled super hard like I was on VT2. >.>

[runic hornet]

to be fair, I wouldn't say there's aynthing quick about that at all

[south monolith]

Go to a Crusher's back and try there. if it is working correctly it would be 75% of your base damage, aka what the chart for your weapon says for that armor

[runic hornet]

that's like a 6+ second process

[hearty burrow]

Thx for this

[eternal cargo]

Just spam q after each activation, it's the fastest way with Quietitude outside of using your ult for sure

[tardy flower]

Just remember to aim for the legs with the FS, it does more damage than headshots

[runic hornet]

I am fairly certain this is placebo

[austere burrow]

surge staff is faster

[near gale]

I will know when I am level 14 whether it is 15 or not, I guess. x.x

[runic hornet]

and that the "green background graphic" is just window dressing for aesthetics

[sterile lake]

Same

[eternal cargo]

Granted.. It works better with a force sword that has less warp resistance

[lunar garden]

Today is a great day, siblings

[hot ice]

all i know is that ive gotten items from missions with this symbol

[eternal cargo]

So you get 30%+

[hot ice]

its not 100%

[south monolith]

All bonus % damage in this game are additive multipliers to the base damage your bars determine

[runic hornet]

yes, because it's the same as any other mission
You got lucky with the emperor's beneficence

[austere burrow]

which enemies

this isn't true for scab basic units

[tardy flower]

Anything with flak

[south monolith]

You only target the body for Mauler

Thats it

[tardy flower]

On your special

[austere burrow]

oh for special

[hot ice]

its what ive heard, so

[livid wraith]

it's worth keeping in mind as something to test and see until proven/suggested otherwise.

[hot ice]

this

[austere burrow]

oh damn i didn't know dreg gunners had flak armour on legs

this does more damage than headshot lol

[runic hornet]

fun fact, lasgun scabs left their pants at home

if there's a horde of them, spray at leg level

with an mg12 it's easier to aim for dicks. Unironically

[eternal cargo]

Who is the real monster

[runic hornet]

On heresy if you hit a lasgun scab in the dick with an mg12 it one-shots them.

[eternal cargo]

The heretics, or us

[hot ice]

from my personal experience ive had more gifts come from the missions with this symbol, i dont remember getting a gift from a mission without this symbol, and the ones i get gifts from the matches I quickplay into, i have no idea if it had the symbol or not

[austere burrow]

from my testing, the leg thing is only true for dreg gunners

the yellow ones

everyone else you get more damage on head

and maulers

[near gale]

Do force sword kills count for the 10% toughness regen feat?

[sterile lake]

That's kind of hilarious and cool at the same time

[hot ice]

you need to kill with the charge up i believe

[austere burrow]

though maulers yotu can just aim at their chest

[livid wraith]

That one karking dreg melee guy with the helmet can blast himself to the warp.

[hot ice]

silly maulers with flak chest armour

[austere burrow]

they got a little smarter since vt2

[signal turret]

You're right... Light attacks on the Crusher's back starts at 53 and increases to 69. Similarly heavies start at 247 and cap at 321. Block attack damage stays static. The blessing doesn't seem to have any affect on block attack damage whatsoever

[austere burrow]

there's actually armour there instead of just body

[hot ice]

the maulers in vt2 just want to show off their unnatty gains

[austere burrow]

respect

[south monolith]

Its chained attacks

What does your chart say light against carapace does?

[signal turret]

The math works out, I assume the reason it doesn't affect block attack damage is due to the block shove counting as a break in the attack chain

[floral palm]

Dont usually like the devils claw but the game gave me this

[south monolith]

Should be hitting for 84 if the blessing is correct

[midnight violet]

psykers getting all hyper technical compared to tother threads cos they die easier and every sstat counts XD

[idle bay]

could this be a decent option for followup crafting? The base stats seems to be nice, right?

[spare niche]

veteran is basically "shoot! throw grenade! ez"

[livid wraith]

Great horde sword. Just makes it rough on any heavy, full relying on your team to take them out.

[sleek herald]

on vet you just slap bolter/power sword and you are fine, on zealot eviscarator/flamer

on ogryn shield + gauntlet

on psyker you have to minmax to even have a fraction of their power

[spare niche]

defo more the technical class

[livid wraith]

I wouldn't go that far. Its EASIER to play other classes, but you don't have to minmax to bring power. Stunbot go bzzzt

[sinful flax]

Yea surge staff is always useful

[midnight violet]

ive played zealot and its not that simple. zealot heavily dpendant on team mates to supress or kill ranged. at high difficulties ranged wrecks zealot and zealot has issues dealing with that. sounds good on paper but on high difficulty, doesnt always go how youd think.

[sleek herald]

while you are stunning 7 enemies out of 20 the vet just goes "swoosh" and cuts half of the horde ij half

[signal turret]

Regardless, I mainly just wanted to see if the blessing had any impact on block attack damage, the only reasoning for using the MK V axe, and it doesn't. It's enough for me to warn people that it's a useless blessing for those of us using it

[south monolith]

Its easier to do other playstyles with gear tuning and breakpoints

[livid wraith]

vet will still in fact die to improperly managed hordes, which surge psyker provides a safety net for.

[spare niche]

i always play surge to stop the enemies getting to my vet so he has a chance to actually shoot.

seems to work out

[sleek herald]

camouflage is literally busted on vet though, you get targeted by maybe 15% of enemies and you cut them down easily

[livid wraith]

I hope you get jumped by every mutant/hound/poxburster in existence then, and I bid you fare day.

[vagrant fractal]

Surge is too useful but I'm kind of bored of using it

[midnight violet]

omg i got a 2 force weapons this hour...i got a sword. ones a sword! i have seen a force sword in the shop for days. I GOT ONE

[south monolith]

Well luckily I just did testing with it for my breakpoint calc lol

[sleek herald]

not even talking about second vet with power sword is a better safety net cause he kills those enemies faster one shotting hounds and 2 shotting mutants

[midnight violet]

sprint efficiency....yay

[sleek herald]

not even talking about magdumping bolter in shotgunners or ogryns

it's just yeah, you can cc with surge, but you can also cc with DEATH

[livid wraith]

go run your 4 man vet and circle jerk each other to find out who gets the ammo then.

[near gale]

Beats damage vs pox walkers/groaners on plasma gun

[south monolith]

Have to make sure it dies in one hit though

[midnight violet]

i waited from 6pm top 3 am now, for a sword, and i got this.

[livid wraith]

No one is saying vet isn't powerful. Is 4-man vet doable? yes, is it comfortable? no.

[sleek herald]

literally did heresy and damnations runs and the ammo is ok, if someone is running low they swap to the sword and mow down trash, when ammo is full you mow down elites/boss

[near gale]

Yeah. The full charge needs that extra damage, ngl.

[sleek herald]

easy as that

[near gale]

Kinda weak

[midnight violet]

kinda weak? its arse

[sleek herald]

I run anti gunner build with counterfire so even gunners are not a problem lmao

[near gale]

Plasma gun? It's the answer to a large group of crushers.

[sleek herald]

I'm not saying psyker is bad, I'm saying other classes are WAY better

[livid wraith]

I agree powersword should be nerfed. Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted me to say? Why must you crush psyker souls

[nocturne maple]

Soon we will get the 2 handed force sword, and then things shall change

[vagrant fractal]

Go tell the devs

[midnight violet]

its arse, but i dont need to sleep yet. maybe next hour...right?

[near gale]

I want my 2 handed force power chainsword, now! 😠

[livid wraith]

I played zealot first to 30/damnation clears and a vet friend. I realize the weakness of psyker, but surge psyker provides a level of comfort to the group.

[nocturne maple]

But soon could be months from now for all I know, they "accidentally" forgot the rest of the weapons at launch, and still haven't put them in

[sleek herald]

you slap on any gun on counterfire and literally have 30 seconds uptime while headshotting those gunenrs and your team is really thankful for that

[vagrant fractal]

I hope it doesn't take so long. If they are able to add new content quickly this game will thrive

[near gale]

The thing I like about the plasma gun is it doesn't have the like... 1 and a half second wind up the bolter has. x.x

[worthy wasp]

Yeet

[livid wraith]

gib plasma to psyker, so we can blow ourselves up in multiple different ways.

[nocturne maple]

Its not even new content. Like supposedly all the rest of the weapons were supposed to be launched with the game. But were accidentally left out and now they're taking their sweet time actually putting them in

[sleek herald]

don't the plasma gun has a windup and bolter shoots straight away?

[near gale]

ikr?! 100% heat peril wombo combo!

[real vale]

have they said anything about giving some love the psyk from vendor? i been lv 30 for a few days and yet to see a staff and i check at lesat 7 times a day lol

[near gale]

Plasma gun has a charge up, but, not a wind up.

[signal turret]

PSA to my MK V Axe using siblings... Avoid this blessing on your axe, sauce on the way

[hot sphinx]

I am literally watching my team leaving me to die multiple times

[sleek herald]

has a windup on lmb too, it won't shoot straight away

[near gale]

Can fire 2 weak shots before bolter finishes winding up

[formal osprey]

I agree, we need to be able to die in at least 3 different ways. What about a melee club that explodes when you hit something with it.

[near gale]

Bolter has full auto/burst tho, once its done,

[vagrant fractal]

Rip. Welp, hopefully we learn more about that this week

[sleek herald]

you mean the weapon swap? and what burst, it has single fire or full auto

[hot ice]

was it your fault you went down? like, went way out of position and its hard to get you up without risking someone else?

[midnight violet]

i now most would say the mk12v is better than the revolver, but on my zealot, i absolutely love the revolvers wep switcvh time. yesterday a team mate even commented on it, id dodge a sniper round switch aim headshot head shot, back to melee. very little weapon switch time. huge bonus for a weapon that ive been told is crap lol

[hot sphinx]

mutie threw me into a trapper and they didn't rescue

[near gale]

There's a version with burst fire.

[hot ice]

because i will not go and rez someone surrounded by a rave party

[livid wraith]

Skyrim NPC Guard : "No lollygagging"

[near gale]

Anyway back to the psyker's #1 weapon(against Crushers): the full auto lasgun.

[hot sphinx]

There was an Ogryn

and we were only on Sedition, they could have easily rescued me

[eternal cargo]

They literally all do.. They gain ammo in coherency. And they have a lot of ammo. And they can use efficient weapons. And they aren't limited to using ranged weapons. I don't understand this argument.

[livid wraith]

oof. I found yer problem.

[solid hawk]

is anyone willing to help me with the Cliffhanger Penance?

[near gale]

I've had that happen or watched it happen. What I've done against rave party around teammate as zealot is zap grenade, then start picking them up.

[hot ice]

thats the problem lol, ur team was probably newbies or people who were just that surprised you went down on sedition

and i guess "did a little bit of mischief"

[near gale]

You go down a lot faster than you do on recruit, in vt2... from what I remember anyway.

[hot ice]

definitely

[livid wraith]

TBH I don't run 4 vet ever. But I doubt it's the most efficient damnation comp. I could be wrong.

[eternal cargo]

If anything, a team of Ogryns or Zealots is going to fight more over ammo than a team of Veterans.

[near gale]

Vet never smacked me around as hard as the 2nd difficulty does in Darktide... not without being on a deed.

[hot ice]

i can see it working honestly

[remote tusk]

Ran some tier 4 and 5s and am now a converted axebro. I renounce my force sword ways.

[valid marsh]

Why?

[signal turret]

look at the gifs

[hot ice]

someone or two with a bolter/plasma gun to knock aside shields/stagger, the rest with lasguns, and all running powerswords because ayyy lmaooo its that good

[livid wraith]

i mean im sure it works, but is it the most comfortable/adaptable/safe combo? doubtful.

[hot ice]

ye

however, 3 vet + surge psyker? i can see that kicking so much ass

[valid marsh]

So decimators stops after you shove, then?

That sucks

I've got a tactaxe with decimator and headtaker

[lucid mortar]

I'm not trying to go gun psyker - but are there any guns worth keeping around in case gun builds are more viable?

[valid marsh]

but extremely good stats overall

has been wrecking everything I come across

[signal turret]

Yes, the block shove breaks the attack chain and removes the buff. Testing with my axe that has Decapitator blessing it seems to suffer the same fate

[eternal cargo]

2 vets with XII and Power Sword, 1 vet with Bolter and Power Sword, and a Psyker with Surge, and everything's dead

[valid marsh]

that sucks hard especially since tactaxe push attack deals the same damage as a heavy attack but even faster

but I suppose I can work around that since its mobility is ridiculous

[hot ice]

im just gonna say, even if a gun build becomes viable, why? just play a vet if you want gunplay, psyker is for staff play imo

[valid marsh]

[ornate hamlet]

psychic bullets

[signal turret]

MK V Axe users, avoid this blessing too. The block shove counts as an attack that doesn't 1-shot, removing all stacks

[eternal cargo]

Could replace one of the XII vets with a Ogryn using a shield and.. Dunno, Rumbler?

[bright cipher]

bruh

[valid marsh]

Gun play is for everyone in a shooter and ever class deserves a means to flavor their gunplay

sharpshooter is accuracy and target marking

[lucid mortar]

I'm thinking mostly in the future if they add psyker-specific blessings to guns, but I guess we wouldn't know which guns they'd be on anyway

[valid marsh]

Ogryn is bulldozing with superior (but innaccurate) firepower

[hot ice]

now that'd be cool, guns with a psyker twist

[valid marsh]

I feel like Psyker's abilities would be best suited to the revolver

infusing warp charges into bullets and such

[livid wraith]

dual wield laspistol and staff. pls

[near gale]

Zealot is... zealoting with flamer and such

[hot ice]

yeah, but then you'd be a staffless psyker, massive L in my book

[lucid mortar]

If they don't want psyker to use guns then I hope they remove them from the shop rotation lol

[eager nexus]

Psyker wands with a pistol off hand

[lucid mortar]

otherwise, give me viable gun options

[vagrant fractal]

I keep a gun in case dark mode happens again. Where is dark mode anyway?

[near gale]

At least the zap staff gives psyker's the unique ability to stagger anything that can be staggered.

[livid wraith]

unironically many psykers would love this. EZ staff farm

[signal turret]

This blessing also doesn't work with the block attack

[valid marsh]

maybe replace "brain bursting target applies two stacks of soul blaze" with "headshots on targets consume a warp charge and apply soulblaze"

That would be cool

would be a reason to not use surge staff all the time since it can't headshot

[midnight violet]

because guns are all vets are about, but if you can handle guns on any other class, then you have that tool, and every other tool. also, guns are actually really important for the entire team, for suppression, and picking of targets, its always help[ful when the whole taem can go ham before switchong into melee, always helpful when ANY team mate can whip out ranged for a quick mag dump on a sniper or watever. cant always rely on one person to hit all priority targets, sometimes just isnt possible.

[signal turret]

If someone has a MK V axe with the limbsplitter blessing id like to know if that doesnt work with the block attack either

[hot ice]

yeah but there are two other classes that have guns as well

[south monolith]

It works on limbs

😛

[hot ice]

and like i said, staffless psyker, L

[midnight violet]

exactly. he was saying why go guns if you arent vet. thats my answer, thats why

[echo parrot]

Next you are going to say that any melee that isnt fs is throwing.

[valid marsh]

How about I shoot you in twelve different timelines how about that

[hot ice]

ive taken the antax pill

antax love

[hot ice]

please. end my suffering

[echo parrot]

I tried the antax but I just couldnt get into it. My knife has spoiled me greatly.

[hot ice]

i need to get a good rolled knife and ill try it out

[echo parrot]

I love to zoom, stab, and jump back the length of three cars lol

[livid wraith]

You can run many melee and fill the gap with psyker. If you don't have a staff, you aren't filling any gap, you are putting playdoh on top of a cement joint and saying you are helping.

[hot ice]

does yours have bleed?

[echo parrot]

No, but my knife does

[valid marsh]

all kinds of stuff a psykinetic can do with guns since their abilities govern kinesis

[toxic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-pucker-up-pucker-ooh-gif-4705397

[valid marsh]

richochet

[echo parrot]

Its less a stats/blessing thing and more a moveset/mobility thing.

[valid marsh]

homing bullets

[echo parrot]

I just love my knife

[valid marsh]

piercing

[midnight violet]

i do agree that psyker doesnt need a gun, the staffs are wrecking balls. unless you go trauma, then i dont know what to tell you

[valid marsh]

fire, plenty of it

explosives

[livid wraith]

i

can

also

type

like

this

[echo parrot]

Ok

[hot ice]

thats what i was asking, nice

[echo parrot]

Anyways

[valid marsh]

But I didn't get told off by the bot

[signal turret]

0.4% lol... Such a degenerate penance

[hot ice]

i have a transcendant knife but no bleed

is knife still good without bleed?

[echo parrot]

I can uh

[livid wraith]

maybe you are the bot

[echo parrot]

Dig up the image, sec

[valid marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-smoking-robot-swag-futurama-gif-3690703

Cooler bot than you

[uneven compass]

I'm so excited they fixed the surge staff. Gonna make using it even more fun now

[echo parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049737926390595654/image.png @hot ice

[hot ice]

sexy

[echo parrot]

In a pinch I can just bumblebee a crusher to death or whatever lol

Dodge distance is crazy

[valid marsh]

But yes I could definitely see ricochet talents and the like on psyker. Actually, why not critical hit talents?

It's Pyromancer's niche in vermintide 2, could be the niche for psyker gunplay

[signal turret]

Are Lacerate Daggers supposed to be any good for Psyker? Trying mines and it sucks lol

[livid wraith]

you need lac 3-4 for it to be good

[bright cipher]

no

[livid wraith]

iirc

[magic hull]

fren can i have that

[bright cipher]

people want them to be good but irc theyre actually only good on zealot

[livid wraith]

true, zealot just tankbots with the crit toughness synergy, they eventually bleed out and he shrugs off the hits.

[echo parrot]

Sorry fam, gracie knows where she belongs

[livid wraith]

you could probably make a lacerate 3 dagger work on psyker though. I'll at least try it out if I happen across one.

surge > walk up > shank shank shank > more bzzzt

[hot ice]

why shank 3x times when axe go clunk and do more dmg in 1?

[jovial frigate]

[hot ice]

[magic hull]

lacerate works better with surge i reckon

purge*

[glad tulip]

I just got the best experience of my lifetime. Connected to an existing team of 3, while loading it sent me into "failure" screen and i couldn't do anything from there other than alt +f4. I guess they failed so hard it hardlocked me in the game

[dusky whale]

is psyker or vet more fun and stronger?

[modest magnet]

oof ouch ow better than the one i upgraded to gold and got 15% mutant damage resistance on 🙃

[livid wraith]

because dagger has great mobility compared to axe, so in theory it could be safer and quicker combo. I agree axe is really strong and probably best.

[bright cipher]

its shit

[modest magnet]

it is indeed shit

[bright cipher]

toughness regen only affects coherency regen

[midnight violet]

sounds like a skill issue

[bright cipher]

and stamina

[worthy wasp]

Aight so I think I found some nasty tech that would require a macro to best utilize

[bright cipher]

do tell

[modest magnet]

check out this shit

[glad tulip]

no idea what was the issue, i wasn't even there to asses lmao

[glad tulip]

BUT they were all 25+

[jovial frigate]

you know theres a lot of shit in this game that just makes me

[midnight violet]

definetely a skill issue

[livid wraith]

Your gaming chair is not up to date.

[worthy wasp]

Atrox Mk2 tac axe push attack is its heavy attack, hits p fkn hard and has p fast follow up light... but if you try to spam push attacks like Antax Mk5 you'll notice that unlike the Mk5 you cant chain your push attacks together

[glad tulip]

How am i in this. I clearly stated - i was in loading screen and then it went into failure screen. I didn't even play a second there xD

[worthy wasp]

Well you can get around that

[livid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[royal granite]

you can actually wait out that screen, it's maybe 25-30 seconds

[glad tulip]

Oh, really?

[royal granite]

yeah it's happened to me a couple times

[worthy wasp]

So if they nerf Atrox Mk5... or hell if I'm willing to setup a macro... I'll run an Atrox Mk2

[modest magnet]

have you ever seen such ass

[royal granite]

the timer is just long enough that you start to think it's broken

then it kicks you out

[midnight violet]

well thers your problem, you wrent playing.

[livid wraith]

I have seen such booty. The curio farm is a dark void of hemorrhoid's and anal fissures.

[hot ice]

theres other weapons higher up on the nerf-priority list imo

cough powersword cough

[worldly tusk]

So is the meta staff right now still the surge force? The flame one feels fun too

[bright cipher]

i dont think any psyker melee is strong enough to warrant a nerf

[signal turret]

Do you have a MK V with Limbsplitter blessing?

[bright cipher]

yes

[signal turret]

I guess I can kind of see it working? This is on a damnation rager, still feels like it would be worse than mk v just based on how it leaves you wide open to stack the bleed

[livid wraith]

they will 100% nerf mk V before they touch the powersword or bolter.

[hot ice]

surge staff is just that good

[worthy wasp]

Ye, its fkn nutty

[hot ice]

i doubt

[modest magnet]

curio farming would be improved overnight if you just got an emperors gift for every overlevel past 30 like in VT2, just stack +% curios from rewards to farm actually good curios

[tawny maple]

Pretty much all but trauma can be meta. Depends on your build/traits AND your mastery and knowledge of the weapon

[signal turret]

Does it actually work with the block attack? I tested Headtaker, Decapitator, and Decimator and they do not work with the block attack.

[hot ice]

you mean void, right?

trauma is like bottom tier rn

[livid wraith]

From a gameplay perspective you are correct, from a games workshop perspective, I am correct.

[tawny maple]

re-read my message please

[hot ice]

ah

mb

[worthy wasp]

In the test area? I found a lot of stuff doesnt work in there.

Limbsplitter def works

[hot ice]

its 1am

[modest magnet]

has anyone figured out was procs an emperors gift or is it just rng

[tawny maple]

all g lol

[royal granite]

trauma feels terrible, i don't know what they were thinking

[jovial frigate]

yes but this rager would be shitting in your mouth while you stack bleeds on it

just run an axe and watch them die helplessly to pushblock spam

[midnight violet]

hey now, its the only thing that gives vet a melee advantage, you cant nerf that, he has no other good weapons i mean....what else is a sub par cod player gonna use to still be good at melee? what else?

[hot ice]

ive tried trauma, the most effective thing i do is just scatter the horde and make it harder to mop them up

[boreal slate]

Purgatus staff feels like ass

[signal turret]

I need to get one

[tawny maple]

Its pretty good with rending but it could really use more damage and NEEDS to generate less peril

[hot ice]

i will not take this flame staff slander

[boreal slate]

Trauma staff is good at one thing

Knocking down bulwarks and bullying ogryns in general

[echo parrot]

You havent lived until you have tanked/killed a Daemonhost with just a shovel

[hot ice]

you will burn for your transgressions

[livid wraith]

well ragers are kind of one of those things you are going to be surge staffing. The dagger needs to be able to deal with the horde and non-threatening specials/elites.

[stable peak]

trauma needs identity, as it is just a bad voidstrike

[bright cipher]

only people putting void and purge on the same level as surge are coping non damnation players

[livid wraith]

and you would only stack a few hits and run

[bright cipher]

fax

[boreal slate]

Burn with your weak ass staff that cant kill nor stagger anything past a regular poxwalker? I dont think so pal

[modest magnet]

shhh I told my veteran friend to rebind his dodge key to something that is not his jump key and he looked at me like id just given him the location of atlantis

[midnight violet]

shovel op. pls nerf.

[tawny maple]

Staggers ragers regularly.

[signal turret]

Still feel like the axe would be infinitely better tho, you cant block attack with the dagger if your goal is to stack bleed as quickly as possible and that leaves you wide open

[hot ice]

ofc man, a vet also needs to be good in melee, who cares if they're a ranged focused class

/s

[valid marsh]

Trauma should crush groups of chaff easier

[livid wraith]

yeah you probably right. I dont have a lacerate 3 (lacerate 4 the dream bby)

[boreal slate]

Cant wait for fatshark to buff psyker

Any day now

[midnight violet]

never mind thares a ton of standard melees that are awesopme and alot of classes use anyway with great success.

[valid marsh]

Any day now...

[modest magnet]

any day now

[echo parrot]

You gotta stab it in the eye socket, no meme, am serious.

[valid marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-ring-the-bell-ringing-bell-gif-16270849

[royal granite]

they're probably going to want to iron out all the crashes and get the shop in before they start looking at class balance

[signal turret]

The truth heretics don't want to hear 👆

[echo parrot]

Dagger against elites is only really good when you chain stab weakpoints bobbing and weaving around while staggering them.

[modest magnet]

just make brainburst take more time dependingg on target health pool and call it a day

[royal granite]

what i'm saying it we probably won't see psyker balance changes until next year

maybe spring

[modest magnet]

i would gladly take 6 seconds BB to onetap a bulwark

[echo parrot]

Its a very very active and aware thing, where a mk v axe could just chop chop chop

[shrewd plinth]

Here's a fun challenge, go try headshot each enemy with voidstrike secondary.

[valid marsh]

this and reward more warp charges scaling with the time it takes to kill the bastard

[bright cipher]

unironically a massive improvement to the mechanic

[royal granite]

i want brain burst GONE, that poop from a butt ability inspires the worst psykers in the game

[valid marsh]

I dunno about gone

[hot ice]

done this like a billion times, unless ur talking about staff special

[valid marsh]

I like super brain hemorrhage

[shrewd plinth]

You can get all non-specials, but only dogs, shotgunners, bombers, flamers and muties can be headshot of the others.

[royal granite]

i want something less binary and more useable

[midnight violet]

strong disagree, had a purge psyker basically carry a damnation once, was amazing. strong disagree. dude was a fuckin machine.

[hot ice]

BB is just super underpowered in heresy+

it needs a rework

[shrewd plinth]

dogs pretty much only from the side

[tender cipher]

BB is very usable.

[bright cipher]

purge straight up is unreliable cc

[tender cipher]

I have no idea why you guys insist it does nothing on heresy+

[bright cipher]

does it work?

yeah

[signal turret]

Just tried it, no bleed effect for head shots and the description for lacerate makes it clear

[tawny maple]

Some smart guy on forums suggested it should instakill everything below 500 hp and deal another 300 gradually while charging. Would like to see that fr

[bright cipher]

does it work nearly as well as surge?

not even close

[hot ice]

never said it does nothing, it simply falls off hard

[livid wraith]

A WILD RAGER PACK HAS BREACHED THE GATES

[echo parrot]

Ah my bad I mixed it up with mine which does it on crit hit

[bright cipher]

2-3 BB to kill a dog

nuff said

[modest magnet]

this and also stop punishing the whole team for killing a BB highlighted enemy, just give me the damn warp charge, fucker was gonna die any second regardless if my veteran got SHINY BLUE CIRCLE syndrome

[bright cipher]

its only useful for snipers and bombers "sometimes"

[tender cipher]

That's your own arbitrary definition of what BB is, if your entire objective is to be the sole killer of things with BB then that's on you. If you treat it as flat damage mitigated by armor then it is a different story.

[tawny maple]

Learn the weapon and you'll be good with it. All staffs are viable on damnation, minus the trauma.

[signal turret]

Unless it's a sniper or a fleeing elite/special my teammates cant get to your staff is always better than bb

[midnight violet]

i think it totally dpends on if youvce speced and geared for it. ive seen all kinds and it all works.

[bright cipher]

viable? yes
equally good? not even close

i feel like theres some dissonance here

[tender cipher]

So it still doesn't fall off for me, I use it the same way I use it in difficulties 1-4.

[bright cipher]

between what im saying and what purge/void loyalists are willing to hear

[royal granite]

i want an ability with a clearly defined purpose, not this weird thing that can potentially take 9 seconds to kill a special

[modest magnet]

I agree, it should be a near instant kill on trash mobs and take more time on larger enemies up to 6 ish seconds and always kill based on that

[bright cipher]

you can do damnation with a finger up your ass if youre good enough

but its not gonna be as consistent and easy as with a surge

[modest magnet]

other than boss enemies with a health bar

[livid wraith]

I'm fisting on damnation.

[bleak tulip]

dogs on heresy have like 1800 health iirc

[bright cipher]

fisting is 300 plasteel

[tender cipher]

Which all depends on team comp and coherency anyways since Darktide loves that term.

[royal granite]

as it is, brain burst is the ogryn box except it feels WAY worse to use, and has unlimited ammo

i don't want that, i want something unique

[bright cipher]

no it doesnt not

it does not depend on the team comp

[tawny maple]

2shot with BB, find it easier to just use staff on them instead. All 3 can easily stagger dogs

[tender cipher]

Absolutely does.

[livid wraith]

bro 300x4 is damnation dog dead

just run 4 psyker ez

[bright cipher]

a psyker with a surge will ALWAYS be a better addition to any team than a psyker with a different staff if all players are equally good in both scenarios

[hot ice]

my objective isnt for it be the sole killer of all things, its just that the gain vs loss of using BB becomes really apparent in heresy+
any time you are charging up BB, you are not using your staff
with BB you kill at best 1 enemy, at worst you just dmg it
with a staff, you are killing/damaging/cc'ing multiple enemies
hence, its not worth it rn

[bleak tulip]

yeah, or you just melee it since it takes 3x melee damage, either way that forum guy's numbers are way off

[modest magnet]

yep it should basically do like 500 damage immediately upon locking target, and then do 200-300 damage each second until tthe target is dead, would actually feel strong but not OP since it is still single target

[bright cipher]

a zealot with a flamer instantly makes your job as a purgatus user arbitrary

[tender cipher]

Or you just shoot it with a void staff.

[tawny maple]

Surge staff is fantastic with a good team but has the lowest clutch potential and utility of all

[bright cipher]

voidstrike falls off hard on damnation

[bleak tulip]

tbh even I just melee dogs, its easier

[bright cipher]

thats why u have an MKV axe with u

[bleak tulip]

they literally cant do anything when you arent surprised by them

[midnight violet]

no i think you forget that psykers role is entirely dependant on your team mates builds and its all about complementing. any build that complements what your team is doing will wreck. and thats all it is.

[livid wraith]

lowest utility..... hmmmmmmmm....

[bleak tulip]

100% chance to stagger them out of leap

[tender cipher]

The 2s to snipe a target or to finish it off or to open it is worth changing depending on the circumstances you find yourself in.

[bright cipher]

are void and purge equally as good as surge? Y/N question.

[echo parrot]

Hot take: Maybe dont rely on BB to kill the dog and instead surge it and stab it to death. BB isnt supposed to be an easy win button, especially with it not needing ammo and being very easy to "recharge"

[modest magnet]

dogs with a surge staff are actual cake, tase them pull out melee, walk up and beat senseless

[tender cipher]

Otherwise, you're better off using your staff. BB is just a tool like any other, it simply does not fall off, its conditions remain the same though execution may vary.

[echo parrot]

I stopped bothering with BB on dogs unless they are very out of range so that I can get some damage on them before they engage us.

[bright cipher]

jesus

i guess school is over

[midnight violet]

they dont fit the same role, so its not a fair question. they each have seperate roles

[tawny maple]

Didnt say it was the lowest, there is still trauma

[bright cipher]

so many malice opinions in here all of a sudden

[livid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/tuga-numeiro-gif-18302117

[stable peak]

BB is dogwater

[hot ice]

it does fall off because 1 BB to kill is very different to 2+ BB to kill

[bright cipher]

"BB does not fall off", "purgatus is good", "psyker is a dps"

[echo parrot]

Side comment; this gif is amazing

[livid wraith]

"Surge staff is fantastic with a good team but has the lowest clutch potential and utility of all"

hmmmmm

"and utility of all"

hmmm

[hot ice]

surge is top tier

[bleak tulip]

the tool's use falls of hard later because youre wasting time casting it more than once to do anything other than a light stagger, which you can do with just damaging it

[bright cipher]

you go into damnation, you bring an axe and a surge, you completely shut down all elites and special and have amazing horde crowd control, your team literally bows to you

[worthy wasp]

Oh no

I'm really liking Atrox Mk2

[left hare]

After testing practically the purgatus and surge

[echo parrot]

Traitor

[left hare]

i gonna say surge wins no question

[hot ice]

its still an axe, you're still the hero in my heart

[modest magnet]

I dont know how to explain to you that making brainburst function as an aimed DOT that guarantees target death is a much better option than the current implementation while remaining far from being OP and I dont know if its worth trying

[hot ice]

[bright cipher]

anyone that actually grinds out damnation raids has the same opinon on the staves

[bleak tulip]

for what, havent used tac in ages

[left hare]

yeah surge is just too damn good and clutch in higher diffs

[stable peak]

purgatus has infinite pierce though, always miss it when those fat mixed hordes show up

[left hare]

the purgatus staff doesnt save lives like surge

[royal granite]

you folks should define what you mean by clutch, it feels like you're kinda talking past each other

[livid wraith]

Hey look! So does the zealot flamer, with bigger range and cloud and damage!

[left hare]

and has a bit of anti range

[bright cipher]

at no point did i say youre not allowed to use other staves but claiming theyre not worse overall than surge is simply rubbing cotton in your eyes due to arbitrary weapon loyalism

[dusk birch]

Do elite gunners count for the pop 5 elites penance with BB ?

[midnight violet]

its not the only way to play though...i know, i do damnation too..thats just one way. its not the only way. i cbf trying to explain to you this concept.

[tawny maple]

Am I wrong? Try killing hordes or mixing surge into melee attacks. It has an M1 which makes it much better, sure, but utility-wise it's still lower than void. Sometimes better than purgatus. I will retract 50% of my statement.

[worldly tusk]

So what's a balanced melee for the psyker right now?

[echo parrot]

"a mechanism for connecting and disconnecting a vehicle engine from its transmission system."

[bright cipher]

how many times do i need to repeat it

[eager nexus]

You don't even need to go into damnation, the ability to CC any and all specials/elites makes the surge staff king of CC. No other staff let's you stop a Mutant in its tracks as far as I'm aware.

[bleak tulip]

akshually it does get blocked by bulwark shield adjusts glasses

[modest magnet]

brother man

[left hare]

definitely recommend either going deflection on forcesword or you go for the antrax axe

[bright cipher]

you can play whatever u want, u cant claim an obviously worse weapon is as good as something much better

thats bad faith

[worthy wasp]

It doesnt have as much cleave as mk5 combat axe but idk, I really like the moveset and it has a load of crit

[hoary warren]

Would this be a good surge staff to full rank up, i kinda dont really know what im looking for stat wise on this weapon. If anyone could help thanks

[stable peak]

zealot needs to reload, purgatus never goes high peril

[modest magnet]

surge m2 literally has saved my whole team from a pox walker more times than i can count

[left hare]

Antrax axe has good overall use while force sword with deflection is extremely defensive

[royal granite]

can deflection appear as a blessing on a blue or is it restricted to mastercraft?

[stable peak]

though yeah i'll admit surge utility is much greater

[livid wraith]

By the time zealot needs to reload the whole fuckin horde is dead.

[bleak tulip]

you can do better, depends on blessings really, dont underestimate crit, maybe one day surge'll do damage and then youll want it

[left hare]

tbf purgatus m1 can cc the pox walker too

[tawny maple]

you have an F key for that

[worldly tusk]

wait what is deflection perk? #noob

[left hare]

Deflection lets u block ranged attacks

[hoary warren]

What should be a good stat line to look for with that weapon

[worldly tusk]

now THAT is someting

[tawny maple]

blocks ranged fire, exclusive to force sword

[modest magnet]

surge m2 literally pushes it halfway across the map away from you though, like the push back it does on pox walkers specifically is insane

[hoary warren]

Damage etc

[left hare]

So ur force sword circular shield now blocks bullets

[echo parrot]

Stats are decent. If its the best you got it would be worth upping. The magic area though is 370-380 for stats.

[left hare]

i agree, just saying that cc wise both staffs can do it

[modest magnet]

ive pushed them fuckers mid dive like 10 yards back through the damn air

[left hare]

But against ranged enemies i find surge staff to be more useful and it has the bonus of stunning mutants

[midnight violet]

thats just like your opinion dude. its what works for you. it isnt the end of the game. and you got some work to do with your mind if you firmly believe that what you see and what you do is the only best way.

[bleak tulip]

honestly right now charge rate being maxed is good, so you can absolutely use the staff, I just wouldnt necessarily waste crafting mats on it to get it to orange yet

[hoary warren]

What about this one lol

[livid wraith]

aaaandddd

[stable peak]

would you use force sword on damnation if it had double damage from current?

[bleak tulip]

better, but only for CC

[livid wraith]

ding ding ding, bulwarks

[worldly tusk]

If my buddy is a pysker starting out can I play my pysker? Is 2 pyskers viable? To what level will that work?

[sterile sable]

my brother in christ windows+shift+s

[hoary warren]

Bruh i lazy im on my phone lol

[left hare]

i tested in meat grinder u do cc bulwarks if u shoot them from behind lolw

[royal granite]

anyway surge is fantastic but it's not very fun

[hot ice]

its stuns everything bar monstrosities

[left hare]

Purgatus

[modest magnet]

I use force sword on damnation rn fuck u mean, force sword haters simply need dancing lessons imo

[tawny maple]

press F, press G, hold M1. Repeat last two actions twice/thrice

[livid wraith]

right because bulwarks walk backwards towards you I forgot.

[echo parrot]

I would get it for the blessing to extract for later, but stats should be priority. You will be able to change out perks/blessings later, but stats will be set in stone.

[livid wraith]

oh yes brainblast mid fight

[bright cipher]

Alright we've established you either didnt read what I've repeated multiple times now or you're refuse to. No reason to continue.

[left hare]

i'm just giving the facts lol

[livid wraith]

tell me more about how you dont play damnation

[left hare]

I am a firm believer on surge staff

its just too good

[tawny maple]

bulwarks didnt fly last time I checked

[signal turret]

Purg users, explain this one to me. This is with a near god-roll staff stat wise

Youre playing Damnation
1-3 Crushers are charging your group, ideal scenario lets say they're grouped up and you can hit them all at once
What are you providing in this scenario

[sterile lake]

yes, it has 70 or more almost everywhere and it is green so you can upgrade it three times
i heard atm 80 is the cap for the base stats

[midnight violet]

weve established that your arrogant and think you have all the knowledge needed. thats whats happened here. good on you.

[tranquil fiber]

Surge is great when you have team members who can take advantage of it

[stable peak]

pocket vet with bolter

[tranquil fiber]

its not always good for pug groups

[bleak tulip]

What are you providing in this scenario
light

[modest magnet]

pretty fire yes

[bleak tulip]

youre pointing out the thing the vet needs to shoot

how nice of you

I usually just BB them so the vet wants to shoot it

[supple skiff]

which axe is it that folks are using at damnation again?

[spare niche]

they shoot the shields instead

[hot ice]

if i cant see the enemy because of my flames, the enemy cant see me

[tranquil fiber]

getting the f out and brain bursting in the corner while crying.

[echo parrot]

Social engineering at its finest

[tranquil fiber]

[bleak tulip]

legit a better use of your time, youll at least do some damage

[eager nexus]

Not lazy, it literally takes less effort and time to windows key+shift+S than pull out phone, open camera, make sure it's not blurry, then upload pics to discord. But as for your question it depends on what kind of perk you get when upgrading or if you want to wait for a staff with higher base rating. As it is now it would only barely outclass the blue one, but you're likely to find better staffs soon.

[signal turret]

Antax MK V Combat Axe

[hot ice]

antax mk5

[static epoch]

BB stagger is more important than the damage depending on your teams melee comp

[supple skiff]

thanks

[signal turret]

I just wanted to point out that Purg staff is trash

[tranquil fiber]

lol its more effort to pull phone out then snip print screen lool

[signal turret]

This message brought to you by Surge Supremacy

[tranquil fiber]

but like you said laaazy

[stable peak]

now that surge isnt bugged its fine

[livid wraith]

The purg staff cope is great. "buh buh but psyker is a res god". Zealot gets a flash that hits everyone in the room.

[supple skiff]

nice already had one lol

[tranquil fiber]

efficiency is where its at...

[echo parrot]

We are the senate

[tranquil fiber]

less effort when you think about it

[tawny maple]

This chat is full of bait/people who don't want to learn all staffs

[signal turret]

#psyker-class message

trash

[royal granite]

hypotheticals are cool and fun, here's one: most of your team is enveloped in a horde and is about to go down, how does surge deal with this?

[livid wraith]

Guess who deals with it better

[tranquil fiber]

At the moment with this new increased specials

[bleak tulip]

at least surge stuns it

[signal turret]

By stopping them from doing anything whatsoever

[modest magnet]

based on this clip ive concluded that surge has higher single target dps with M2 aswell as CCing and damaging enemies all the way off screen

[tranquil fiber]

im hating playing my Psyker

[bleak tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tranquil fiber]

I need all my staffs

[hot ice]

you pull out your axe

[royal granite]

surge stuns like 5 members of the horde though?

[hot ice]

and go to town

[tranquil fiber]

I bring surge, I want my flame, I bring flame I want my void

[signal turret]

You dont just cast the alt-fire one time and go afk

You keep casting

[tranquil fiber]

I bring my GunStaff and im like no one is dealing with hordes

fml

[hot ice]

if your team is dying to just trash mobs, thats your team, not the staff

[signal turret]

That too

[tight saddle]

Surge prevented this from happening in the first place since Surge CCs the front of the Horde preventing the back of it from pushing forward and forcing them to walk around the CC'd targets making a funnel.

[bleak tulip]

thats kind of your main job with void too you know

[royal granite]

there's hundreds of nerds in a horde on heresy+, stunning 5 at a time doesn't do much

[livid wraith]

Yes, it is very hard to learn how to shoot fire at trash mobs. my brain is too limited to understand the concept.

[hot ice]

surge is there for the high-threat enemies

[tranquil fiber]

yeah Void covers more situations

[royal granite]

the sad fact of surge is that it's a terrible tool for dealing with a horde

[hot ice]

you do realise that you arent the only one dealing with the horde right

and you arent locked to just your staff

you switch to your axe

[left magnet]

Purge staff has its uses, M1 fire has a short cc while they light aflame, M2 with the cone of fire gets unlimited AoE targets (surge limited to 5)

[royal granite]

yeah but in the 3 crushers scenario, "the vet and zealot kill them in less than 2 seconds with their bolters" is also a valid answer

[tranquil fiber]

yeah exactly! I just got tired of having randos deal with pox exploders or hounds so Surge is perfect for that or Ragers hidden in hordes

[left magnet]

for choked up hallways, that M2 is clutch and frees up your teammates to deal with other things

[royal granite]

the hypothetical is about how your weapon contributes to the situation

[uncut hamlet]

Imagine if

It had a higher damage roll

[bleak tulip]

or you know you get a flamer zealot who is just better at both of those things

[echo parrot]

Purge vs bursters is so damn helpful

[hot ice]

they dont always manage to do this because sometimes, its not just 3 crushers

[tranquil fiber]

Its annoying cause my Zealot just turns up the heat when anything is annoying

[hot ice]

its an entire gaggle of elites/specials

[static epoch]

i'll take my 380 void over purge any day but that's my game play loop preference

[signal turret]

Why waste your staff slot on dealing with a horde at all

[echo parrot]

You just push them back, and can do it midway through their jump

[left magnet]

They don't get the synergy with soulblazes

[royal granite]

you guys are really bad at hypotheticals

[left magnet]

You can truly spread destruction if you take the 30 tier talent

[bleak tulip]

neither do you, soulblaze is truly ass

[royal granite]

why waste your staff slot on cc when someone with a bolter can just kill it?

why aren't you just playing another veteran?

[signal turret]

cant be serious lol

[tranquil fiber]

Cause most bolter users run out of ammo

fast

[modest magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[tranquil fiber]

then you got nothing in that department

[echo parrot]

This is the only hypothetical I care about https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iOcLTBDrr9U

[sterile sable]

someone shittalks surge

[tranquil fiber]

[bleak tulip]

it puts 4 stacks of soulblaze on the group, dots suck ass and 4 stacks isnt enough to kill a single thing by itself

[hot ice]

that cc staggers EVERYTHING thats not a monstrosity

[static epoch]

I think soul blaze has a similar issue to a lot of other DOT's in games, buildup.

[hot ice]

i dont think i need to explain how good that is

[royal granite]

i'm not even shittalking surge, i'm just saying it's not great at hordes

[tawny maple]

Youre playing Damnation
Last player alive, a horde rushes you. Let's say you're in ideal situation in a chokepoint
What are you providing in this scenario

Explain me your hate for all other staffs, Surge simps. This is with a near god-roll staff stat wise

[ornate hamlet]

Surge is amazing on damnation where the impact of CC alleviates pressure on the team

Also, hordes don’t kill you. The elites in them do

[hot ice]

wow, the staff whose job isnt at killing hordes is bad at killing hordes

colour me shocked

[signal turret]

Again, why would you have your surge out wasting it on alt-firing dregs and poxwalkers

[bleak tulip]

if youre last player alive on damnation it basically doesnt matter what class you are, you already fucked up and are probably fucked, and pointing out that surge damage is shit is not a hot take

[tranquil fiber]

Isn't hip fire while running useless?

[royal granite]

yeah just like the staff for dealing with hordes isn't great at dealing with 3 crushers

again, i'm not shittalking surge

[livid wraith]

thats right, i forgot, every melee weapon is bad at hording too. I forgot.

[signal turret]

Imma show you how I deal with hordes as a Surge Staff supremacist

[static epoch]

it's very niche lol

[livid wraith]

I forgot about zealot flamethrower as well.

[ornate hamlet]

It’s amazing at dealing with up to 6 crushers. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. You’re wronggggggg

[tawny maple]

Why would you waste purgatus alt-fire on a crusher in your video then. I literally copy-pasted your post and just changed names lol

[tranquil fiber]

If you are the last player you can't carry like a Veteran or Zealot

[livid wraith]

sheesh so many things to forget.

[hot ice]

the thing we're trying to say is, the CC the surge staff provides is waaaaay better than the horde clearing capabilities of something like a purgatus or voidstrike

[tranquil fiber]

oh.... I thought you can't out sprint mobs anyway so...?

[spare niche]

[bleak tulip]

they cant carry on their own either, the closest thing is a vet spending 3 minutes with his back in a non spawner with a powersword to thin shit out, one special he cant get to because hes busy with trash and hes toast

[ornate hamlet]

Let’s all pray to the omnisiah for more staff variety

[static epoch]

I have had use of it very rarely but it can save you from chip damage. Whenever you are moving and would have taken damage because you can't stop fast enough.

[hot ice]

because killing a hundred+ trash mobs isnt hard

[royal granite]

it is with a surge staff

[tranquil fiber]

I see I see

[hot ice]

however shutting down 5-6 high threat elites/specials is almost invaluable

[tranquil fiber]

thanks for taking the moment to explain ❤️

[orchid nest]

it isn't with an antax axe with brutal momentum though

[hot ice]

until the vet can pop them

[static epoch]

Like some forgotten ranged in the corner or when trying to close a gap.

[finite lynx]

Because surge isn't kill, it's CC

[signal turret]

Torching a bunch of dregs and poxwalkers is the lowest value add you can provide to a group, which is why I chose a potential run ending enemy. If you're saving a group member by clearing a bunch of mobs that are so low hp they're nearly 1-shotted from their max hp, you're better off with a bot.

[livid wraith]

nah dude you just need to aim for heads with primary attack. must be a skill issue.

[tranquil fiber]

yeah it only does max damage to the first target - surge staff

[livid wraith]

fkin troll ass lol

[spare niche]

when u are a surge u are only providing CC for your other people to actually be their class. aka support

[bleak tulip]

which is why you dont trashclear with a surge staff

[fresh reef]

Ayo, anything substantial in new patch?

[royal granite]

right, and that's also why you don't target 3 crushers with the fire staff

[uncut hamlet]

whys everyone so pressed a guy likes purge

its not like you need to go meta to clear t5

[royal granite]

i don't even like the fire staff i just think the 3 crushers hypothetical is dumb

[tawny maple]

Voidstrike can do both though. Like literally just admit that all staffs are good and stop fighting a battle on discord lol

[livid wraith]

in what situation does purg staff perform better than a zealot. elaborate.

[tranquil fiber]

no you are priority surging the first and hoping it hits other annoying targets on bounce

[echo parrot]

Meanwhile I surge, and then run right in a stab some fuckers until I need to dodge back and surge again.

[signal turret]

But theyre not

[hot ice]

not trauma tho kek

[signal turret]

Im not going to lie to myself lol

[royal granite]

when the zealot brought a bolter

[ornate hamlet]

I actually think the current stages all suck because I’ve played VT2

[tranquil fiber]

but if your allies don't hit priority targets all you are doing is CCing until those units get you

[spare niche]

tbh i actually surge strike them run in with FS and then run away again

[ornate hamlet]

Staves

[bleak tulip]

I mean theyre not all good tho :/ thats kind of the problem

[finite lynx]

You don't. I've cleared a T5 with 4 Psykers and 4 Zealots before

[tranquil fiber]

or you get a lucky 10% brain burst

[uncut hamlet]

they do fr

[livid wraith]

in what situation does the zealot bringing a bolter benefit the team over a flamethrower.

[echo parrot]

Yeah, is good. I do the same with my knife.

[tranquil fiber]

or you give up lighning spamming and pull out the melee option

[eager nexus]

Purge is great and fun. The worst staff is Trauma.

[uncut hamlet]

Yea exactly so whys the entire group so pressed on arguing how and why surge is amazing and purge sucks

[tranquil fiber]

you ran 8 players? 😛

[royal granite]

you don't control the zealot in a pug, there might not even be one

[bright cipher]

So true lmao

Also don't pug damnation wtf

[fresh reef]

It's been 3 days and I haven't seen a single purg staff, much less a 350+ one. Pain

[hot ice]

surge straight up brings more value to the team than purge

[eager nexus]

It's a great horde clearing mechanism and it allows the other players on your team to focus more on the elites/specials

[tranquil fiber]

Flamer is life....

[ornate hamlet]

Im just pressed that they couldn’t cntrl c the entire group of staves from VT2

[tawny maple]

Because some people can't accept that others are also having good results with different staffs 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil fiber]

only time Zealot gets to briing a bolter is if no Veterans or Psykers are present

[fresh reef]

Maybe they'll make some staves unique to other psyker subclasses?

[royal granite]

i'm not personally going to bring a purge staff to damnation, but i've seen people do it without the game collapsing on itself

[uncut hamlet]

Its immeasurably complex, they couldnt

[hot ice]

its not a matter of preference, its a fact that a surge staff will bring more value to a team than a purge, with maybe some exceptions

[uncut hamlet]

I've done it yea. I just like throwing fire at things

[livid wraith]

no, we have acknowledged that you can have fun with your staves. But to argue that purg or void is better is exceptionally well-endowed with chromosomes, and I will argue til im blue in the face that your heresy will not be tolerated.

[tranquil fiber]

So would we all agree for Voidstaff is like S tier for Psyker, Surge being the alternative S tier for CC / Support?

[ornate hamlet]

the fact that people care so much about surge/purge when t4/t5 are easily cleared with a group of semi-competent players is kind of weird

[uncut hamlet]

General consensus for people who dont die on their staff hill is that purge/surge/void are all viable

[uncut hamlet]

fr

[royal granite]

you don't need to optimize that hard for damnation, the margins aren't that slim

[uncut hamlet]

play whats fun

[south monolith]

At least Sienna has an open soon! sign outside of her room now. Time for q new vt2 class

[royal granite]

teamplay is more important

[finite lynx]

Purge staff its fantastic all the way up to T5. It offers some CC for hordes, the "hold fire" has a constant knock back and the left click has saved me more than once from an ÒwÓ Pox Burster

[tranquil fiber]

all are viable, more are situational to the players playstyle

[spare niche]

didnt know u could cancel the animation when u cast with surge 😮

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/LblHVQZ5gnnjS/d1337g23RDBs?invite=cr-MSxaUjYsNDQ2NDE2OTAs