psyker-class

[olive ember]

i got it

you can "spray" the lightning similar to the fucking flame staff now

[valid marsh]

[glossy bough]

You could theoretically do something like, the talent that gives a 10% chance to brain burst for free on any hit, and the one that gives +15% damage on non warp damage after hitting a brain burst. Then bring Recon las and just spam? I wouldn't recommend that, per se, but it's a gun psyker

[lethal plover]

pay attention to the team's vet

[weary karma]

good luck locking sniper inmidst of horde or try to kill an ogryn

over heresy ofc

[livid wraith]

no. try sweeping it to a separate group.

[summer prairie]

ok sprint cancelling spam at 100% works but occasionally you can blow up, there's probably a specific animation timing

[valid marsh]

or I could use surge staff which already hits even faster than that

which in lies the problem

[glossy bough]

Of course

[valid marsh]

What reason would I ever have

to use a gun

I WANT to

[tacit fractal]

Get Deimos Rebreather with Malleus Monstronum uniform https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/620372694436937793/1048718957756026952/image.png

[lethal plover]

irony to talk about heresy with a damnation video above

[livid wraith]

it does seem to hit more targets, or at least retarget new enemies off the initial chain if some are killed.

[valid marsh]

but there is zero reason for it

[olive ember]

its def inconsistent though i feel like

[glossy bough]

Well the point is that recon las does way more damage to single target

[olive ember]

sometimes you hit 5 sometimes you hit mroe than 5

[weary karma]

is there ever a warp infusion gun?

[glossy bough]

You're just not going to be as good as a veteran that hits F

[rapid cliff]

you goober i'm here to get help for that uniform Crying weeping sobbing

[weary karma]

oh maybe i should consult the elder gods in theorycraft

[valid marsh]

I feel like there should be a brainburst talent for headshots

[glossy bough]

That'd be neat

[tacit fractal]

I think I had a stroke reading that

[pine topaz]

I'm spamming lightning at 97, 98%

[jovial wolf]

just grab a buddy Ogryn with a shield and find a daemonhost, minimum risk but depends on RNG a bit

[spare niche]

i hate people that dont listen....

[valid marsh]

Or since you're psyKINETIC amplifying stagger on attacks

[spare niche]

LOL

[lethal plover]

the point of BB in damnation is to kill
bombers, snipers, trappers, dreg gunmen
basically the ranged specials that will screw your team and can run into cover. BB is the best thing against them
anyone who complains BB doesn't oneshot crushers totally doesn't understand the balancing

[rapid cliff]

nobody cool that I know has darktide hence my suffering

[valid marsh]

I don't want brainburst to one shot crushers

[glossy bough]

Yeah honestly I'm happy to build a niche. Force sword bullet block, and lightning stun lock. Keep the vets safe and feed them stationary headshots

[valid marsh]

I want it to one shot trappers

[olive ember]

yeah no you def want to move your cursor a little bit to hit more enemies

[jovial wolf]

you could try the LFG chats to find someone willing to help you out

[pine topaz]

can't spam at 99% 🙂

[tacit fractal]

LFG exists for a reason my sibling

[pure rapids]

it does one shot trappers though

[plush fossil]

^^

[rapid cliff]

oh shit

[valid marsh]

had an instance where it didn't

[weary karma]

but trapper and hound?

[valid marsh]

trapped me

[rapid cliff]

Thanks I was looking for a channel like that

[olive ember]

🤔 is it

idek anymore

[valid marsh]

[olive ember]

but yeah lightning is a bit inconsistent

[lethal plover]

hound and mutant = surge then chop

[tacit fractal]

You didn’t dodge?

[jovial wolf]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[valid marsh]

hate trappers

[glossy bough]

Yeah I just did the lfg for my Monstorum and out with a bang today

[valid marsh]

wasn't space for it

[glossy bough]

People are great

[tacit fractal]

Gameplan issue then

[lethal plover]

the hound and mutant specifically have multipliers for melee damage.

[fallow meadow]

Seeing the buff on surge, I feels like fatshark is abandon trauma

[valid marsh]

or maybe when I use my super brain aneurysm the trapper should just fucking die?

[keen pawn]

Is grimoire res not working? I have 40% against the books yet its no difference to 0%

[tacit fractal]

Good

[glossy bough]

What do you mean?

[dusky kettle]

I hear if you praise Tzeentch then your bb gets more powerful

[weary karma]

lol designed to wait for teammate to save u with melee

[plush fossil]

UTTER HERESY!!!

[summer prairie]

both elites AND specials now count for Psykinetic's Aura

[bright cipher]

Grims work different in DT. You take a flat chunk of corruption when u pick it up then keep ticking down corruption as long as u have it. Corruption res just makes it tick for less per tick

[lethal plover]

did you read by the way? surge then chop with axe

[valid marsh]

[glossy bough]

Honestly I haven't had much issues with dogs on psyker. Lightning stun then force sword special heavy

[bright cipher]

Yeah surge stun is long enough that u can stun a mutant, heavy attack him, stun again and repeat

[lethal plover]

one light attack of axe does literally 1000 damage to mutant

[weary karma]

i did but i just too lag to dodge it, u can tell me to git gud btw

[lethal plover]

dodge ?

[valid marsh]

I feel Fatshark should buff the other staffs a bit, though I feel voidstrike is fine

[fallow meadow]

I really don't know the different on elites and specials. Why bother when they pretty much the same things in game.

[glossy bough]

I won't say I don't get caught by surprise, happens

[weary karma]

i need to dodge then i have time to melee

[glossy bough]

It is wild how they keep buffing surge

[valid marsh]

Right?

[weary karma]

u cant expect me to oneshot them with melee

[valid marsh]

It already gives you instant cc

[glossy bough]

It got the vertical targeting buff a bit ago

[valid marsh]

why are you letting it hit more

[lethal plover]

no. surge in time and you don't have to dodge. In fact I often slide towards them

[valid marsh]

surge+tactaxe

[glossy bough]

All I know is I'm gonna be eating good next time I'm on lol

[valid marsh]

Death

[glossy bough]

I love the axes but it's so hard to give up the ability to block bullets

[patent steeple]

what is the next staff type unlocked after surge staff?

[summer prairie]

so psykinetic aura is now very good

[lethal plover]

oh right, force sword actually stuns dogs and mutants upon one hit so it's even safer after surging

[glossy bough]

Yeah

[valid marsh]

I think Trauma staff needs an epicentre buff. Maybe a peril buff too but eh maybe not.

[glossy bough]

And if you headshot it usually kills

[valid marsh]

ITs damage is fine though I think

[livid wraith]

it hits more when you kill. not by sweeping.

[valid marsh]

Just needs a bigger kill radius so it can sweep chaff good

[livid wraith]

it just transfers to new targets

[olive ember]

ah I see

[lethal plover]

for bulwarks, don't use BB unless things are relaxing
open them up with surge to let team murder them

[weary karma]

then its a better reason to not use brainburst imo

[bright cipher]

It's not really buffs, just bug fixes that make staves work as intended

[lethal plover]

#psyker-class message

[glossy bough]

Yeah I just surge so my vet can smoke them with a bolter

[bright cipher]

Purg should be a bit more reliable as chaff cc/clear now as well

[bright cipher]

BB is a joke lol don't use it

[glossy bough]

Or just surge -> force sword to the head, repeat

I think BB has its uses

[mellow crescent]

Force swords stun muties?
Before or after they finish their charge?

[weary karma]

i got it, but its too limited while so many feat works along with it

[fallow meadow]

If your vet is paying attention, you don't have chance to use BB.

[glossy bough]

Its use is mostly just saving ammo on long range tricky snipes

[lethal plover]

surge to stop charge, then force sword to stun. without force sword, mutie can start charging again if you're not fast enough

axe can kill mutie very quickly but may not be quick enough if you judge the timing wrong

[midnight violet]

i find i usually have faster and better resulkts if i charge in with forcesword and hit and run. unless its targets that are across an area, then yeah bb obviously. but in the battle, charged fs seems to wreck even faster than most other classes anti armour tricks.

[glossy bough]

My job as a psyker is to make my vets life easier imo. They're the bully, I'm the goon. I hold while they punch

[lethal plover]

if you're too slow, it's better to just surge a second time

[olive ember]

I mean I will use BB on ogryn spam during horde situations

like if theres a horde team is dealing with and then I see ogryn spam approaching

[mellow crescent]

Your surge staff stuns them out of the charge?
They just ignore mine.

[glossy bough]

Charge force sword does do great damage, and you can get the attack out a lot faster than you think if you just click through the charge animation

[lethal plover]

once I understood BB is meant to kill backliners it becomes much more enjoyable. there's a reason why it has infinite range, no aim needed and tracks even if they run away

[livid wraith]

I just surge the mutant until my team kills it or I've full charged his ass like 4 times lol.

[glossy bough]

Yep yep

[olive ember]

its a bit inconsistent but yeah, you gotta start it sooner rather than later

[lethal plover]

with 30 feat you can burst a whole back line of gunmen and snipers

[midnight violet]

i switched back to psyker after playing zealot, because i found the charged FS just does it better.

[pine topaz]

you don't full charge it, you can animation cancel 4 shot it 🙂

along with all the other specials EXCEPT bomber

[valid marsh]

I prefer ascendant blaze

has proven great at killing the chaff

[pine topaz]

and the ogryns

[lethal plover]

animation cancel? BB? what are you referring to?

[pine topaz]

surge staff

[lethal plover]

oh lightning skip yeah

[olive ember]

ascendant blaze only rly worth it on purge i find, otherwise I kill things just fine with FS kiting

[midnight violet]

pls explain, ive heardx of this cancel trick but never heard it explained how

[pine topaz]

they buffffffed it tonight

[knotty anchor]

Can someone explain this change to me? What do they mean with warp charge explosions below the intended threshold?

[pine topaz]

literally 1 hour ago

[lethal plover]

yeah we saw

[pine topaz]

@midnight violet just as lightning leaves fingers, press q twice

[olive ember]

not sure you don't blow up as much basically

[summer prairie]

sprinting is a faster cancel than qq

[midnight violet]

ive changed my buttons, what is q for you

[pine topaz]

you used to blow up at 81-82% peril if you lightning heavy... now you can lightning charge at 97% and won't blow up

you sit at 100%

[livid wraith]

i don't understand, the mutant requires the last part of surge to go off to stun it?

[mellow crescent]

weapon swap

[pine topaz]

@midnight violet q is my quick swap

[olive ember]

yes

[summer prairie]

you can technically spam it at 100% too but if your sprint cancel isn't timed right you'll blow up

[glossy bough]

Has anyone else had a bug with the lv 30 "spend all your charges to get cooldown back on your ult" ability

Specifically, I've noticed that if you're at 4 stacks (full for me, usually) it'll sometimes refund the entire cooldown instead of just partial. Like you can literally double tap the ult.

Anyone else experience this?

[knotty anchor]

I so much love this change. That was the only actual staff that made me go boom.

[livid wraith]

Right but if the mutant requires the full surge cast, then how does animation cancelling help?

[midnight violet]

ahhh... k will have to rebind that cos i have my weps bound to individual up and down on my scroll...

[summer prairie]

might work worse in an actual game due to lag, this was just tested in psykhanium

[lethal plover]

I will be honest that lag can non-deterministically make things behave strangely, like someone got double ult, or surge fails to stop charge in time, but if you allow some leeway before mutant grab someone you should be able to stun him consistently

[cyan notch]

yea pre sure its a bug

[weary karma]

i just hope it can keep me safe while no teammates are able to protect me from elites and specials
especially randoms dont even wait for you, they just RUSH

[bright cipher]

sexy

[valid marsh]

I still have no idea what the difference between decimator and headtaker is

[olive ember]

damage, they run it for damage

dunno if I'd use it on a mutant but yeah

[lethal plover]

are you missing a word? from such what

[glossy bough]

Does terrifying barrage blessing work? I haven't noticed it

[midnight violet]

one loses damage if you miss, the other loses damage if you change wep

[knotty anchor]

They only stun the mutants and dogs at the end of the animation is what I noticed, so if you animation cancel it might not work or the stun threshold is just not enough.

[glossy bough]

Honestly not sure what surge staff blessings I'm trying to chase

[livid wraith]

if they are 4-shotting a mutant with animation cancel surge they aren't playing damnation.

[summer prairie]

I think decimator only works on chained attacks too

[olive ember]

was wondering tbh

[bright cipher]

ye lol

[summer prairie]

it probably wouldn't work e.g. if you are push attack spamming

[lethal plover]

anyway, for the meaty boys that people are sad BB can't one hit
there's this
also remember surge for bulwark

[weary karma]

the more i use BB the more i find i falling behind
or sometime my teammates just cant react fast enough to elites

[midnight violet]

suppression is janky. great mechacnic, just doesnt always seem to work.

[lethal plover]

use BB to kill backliners. frontliners you use surge and force sword to kill

dog and mutant you surge then chop

[olive ember]

yeah a damnation mutant has 4k hp and uncharged surge spam with animation cancel is like 150-230 depending on crit

[bright cipher]

BB is flat 300 dps and ogryn units have somewhere around 2,8k hp lol

[olive ember]

dont you love zero scaling BB

[lethal plover]

BB is for bombers snipers trappers dreg gunmen, not ogryn

[glossy bough]

Right, on paper and in principle it seems amazing. But in the scrum of it I don't notice it working?

I've been running various blue surge staffs trying to see which blessing is the play. Haven't landed on a strong main choice yet. Probably the one that increases charge rate on chain attacks

[bright cipher]

i think if BB benefited from the stats, perks and blessings of your stave it would already be a much better ability

funniest shit to see is when a suicide lad is already mid air in his jump and u shove him away with surge

does a 180 mid air

[weary karma]

lmao

[midnight violet]

charged FS wrecks. i went into damnation my first time just to get a big enough horde to push of an edge...didnt cos just couldnt get an angle, but i made my through with FS charges and that was my role in that game and we won..... i was sold....

[bright cipher]

the funny thing is, considering FS shove and shove attack are force moves, they still shove less and have a narrower angle than a combat axe shove

[glossy bough]

If I can get a deflector + quell peril on hit force sword, I'll never buy another one

[lethal plover]

also FS is for this
without force sword revive, we would have wiped twice

[olive ember]

it used to be different, you used to be able to push multiple enemies iirc in closed beta

[faint walrus]

Alright this gun is kinda funny

[midnight violet]

wait what...you can block while reviving...wtf...im so noob WTF

[boreal wave]

Lol what difficulty was that on

[summer prairie]

because fire frenzy is bugged to do +80% damage instead of 8%, unless that was fixed

[lethal plover]

with force sword you block even bullets

[glossy bough]

Ok I've done this but I still don't understand what is actually happening

You're supposed to be taking damage when you're reviving, right? But the force sword block stays up while reviving for some reason?

[spare niche]

yay or nae

[lethal plover]

heresy but I can also give damnation revives

[south monolith]

Forcesword gets some damn juicy breakpoints.

[keen pawn]

[lethal plover]

you actually can block while reviving, but most people have zero stamina in a fight
we have peril block though, so we don't care about stamina

[midnight violet]

yeah i dont get it either, pls explain lol

[dusky lantern]

wtf am I looking at

[glossy bough]

I see. Plus being able to block bullets

[boreal wave]

Ehhh gonna have to assume that you just have an absolutely bitching sword or you just happened to last hit a lot of that. I can reliably kill specials with charged force sword on malice but it's a good way to get chunked on heresy

[faint walrus]

You can block while rezzing??

[lethal plover]

time to post once again

[glossy bough]

So you just revive for free

[true shadow]

Fixed an issue that caused the Surge Forcestaff to kill players if pushed above 80% peril.

i knew i wasnt crazy!

[glossy bough]

Basically as long as you're not standing on fire

[faint walrus]

Yeah, I thought I was just bad when I keep exploding

[south monolith]

Breakpoint calculator calculating Forcesword heavy special attacks.

[glossy bough]

Peril block is so nuts

[true shadow]

i kept noticing it at 60% and then sudden death

a jump to 100% and warp explosion

[signal turret]

[livid wraith]

its funny cause if the elite kill ability cooldown also extended to specials, you might actually be able to get away with a BB focused build.

[lethal plover]

maybe better penetration but that's quite okay

[glossy bough]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049924624927961129/1049925302068969483/image.png

[midnight violet]

i still dont understand what was happening here

[glossy bough]

I just wanted quell peril on the second blessing ( ._.)

[lethal plover]

peril block (kinetic deflection) and force sword deflector

[signal turret]

With penetration only affecting carapace enemies, which im not whacking with my axe anyways, imma consider this Big E tossing me a god roll

[weary karma]

he got feat to covert blocked dmg to peril

[cyan notch]

he just held E

[midnight violet]

yes i get all that, but how was it all working while reviving

[lethal plover]

game lets you block when reviving

it's the game

[weary karma]

revive does blocking like vermintide did

also the block is 360

[bright cipher]

there was a guy honestly telling me the peril = ranged toughness resist is better than peril block

[signal turret]

you never noticed if you get shot while rezing when you have toughness ur toughness drops but you keep rezing?

[bright cipher]

[midnight violet]

i did not know that....ok....that changes everything

[pulsar rampart]

How does this Blessing work? Like, what does the stacking mean?
Oops, didn't mean to comment to you 🙂

[mellow crescent]

You automatically block when rezzing.
Usually you have to worry about running out of stamina from blocking melee attacks, or ranged attack which you can't block.
With kinetic deflection you can block a lot more and not worry about stam., and with delector you can block the ranged attacks.

[lethal plover]

now that you have the knowledge
be the psyker tank carry

[glossy bough]

I was about to say, I thought the block seemed 360

[bright cipher]

at close to 100 peril you will have 15% bonus crit chance

[signal turret]

The block is 360

all blocks are 360

[midnight violet]

that changes everything.....

[cyan notch]

in vt2 the effective block angle is where your camera is pointed idk if its the same here

[glossy bough]

Haha for real

[weary karma]

what? no its not when u use normal block

[signal turret]

its 360. If you have stam, you'll block

[lethal plover]

the melee blocks are 360
but force sword deflector is not 360 as I have been told
I got shot in the ass

[bright cipher]

yeah

[weary karma]

its 360 when rezzing

[pulsar rampart]

Cool, thanks!

[signal turret]

its 360 in melee combat period

[olive ember]

no its 360 on normal block as well

[glossy bough]

So it's 360 block because the rez camera is third person

[livid wraith]

If i turn my camera while rezzing somehow it lets me rezz to 100 then slam that mf'er back on the ground like jklol

[olive ember]

no its 360 normal block as well, ogryn brace would suck ass otherwise

[lethal plover]

no, melee blocks are 360

[olive ember]

the only directional block is ranged

[bright cipher]

its worded weirdly because blessings have 4 tiers with each giving a different amount per stack.

[olive ember]

unless you are rezzing

[lethal plover]

ranged blocks (deflector) is not 360

[weary karma]

or u just take heavy stamina dmg when back stab?

[midnight violet]

for real ive been wanting to know this

[glossy bough]

Ahhhh

I see

[olive ember]

except when reviving

when you are reviving suddenly ranged blocks become 360 as well

but thats literally psyker only with deflector FS

[midnight violet]

no ive asked the question a few times and not got an answer, so good job sibling.

[pulsar rampart]

Yeah, they really need to work on descriptions.

[olive ember]

actually does ogryn rez with shield also block ranged?

[solid wren]

holy shit the surge staff buff is so nice

[bright cipher]

guys

stop using the word buff

use the word fix

fatshart spies are everywhere

[lethal plover]

[bright cipher]

we dont want nerfs

[lethal plover]

too late for optics

I'm the fatshark undercover

[bright cipher]

surge staff was FIXED

[midnight violet]

ther ewas a fix?

[bright cipher]

it was NOT BUFFED

[solid wren]

psyker is still a long way from nerfs dw

[olive ember]

Its fine

[signal turret]

the wording on those blessings are so bad its hard to be 100% certain so id rather say nothing than be wrong lol

[midnight violet]

i need to log out? lol

[olive ember]

just complain about BB all day everyday as normal

ez pz

also complain about how OP vets are

[bright cipher]

psyker is not veteran ergo nerfs can happen at any time

[lethal plover]

I got shot in the ass here so no

[bright cipher]

we already got hard nerfed twice from the betas

[glossy bough]

I see, so they can 'fix' brain burst stacks to only fall off one at a time

[olive ember]

thats weird I distinctly remember getting shot from behind and reviving just fine

[glossy bough]

I'm catching on

[midnight violet]

i hear you. yeap. i had a couple different ideas on it and just...theres no way to know lol. i was worried my worst interpretation was that its just 3 percent max at full peril lol

[signal turret]

Regular ranged block is 360 when reviving, Ogryn whats-his-face-with-minigun is different

[olive ember]

they can "fix" brain burst to be not garbo in general

[livid wraith]

they must've missed me with the buffix. If i try casting past 86% I become an hero.

[glossy bough]

That's the spirit

[summer prairie]

BB got a modest buff now if you run psykinetic aura as your ult uptime will be higher

[lethal plover]

reaper Projectiles are treated differently?

[midnight violet]

oooo shit darktide update downloading, lol yes. logging out was good idea. what cfhanged? haha someone give me the tldr

[lethal plover]

I would need to collect more evidence for that statement

[glossy bough]

Now we just stop talking about deflector before it's 'fixed'

[idle bay]

Reading patchnotes:
"Psyker’s Brain Burst should no longer cause warp charge explosions when below its intended threshold."
What do they mean by that?

[ruby merlin]

Means no suicide animations prematurely.

[signal turret]

I believe so. I've had to do so many clutch rezzes in heresy when ppl run out into the open and go out like Scarface. Regular ranged attacks are definitely blocked in 360 when reviving with Deflector but yeah, Reaper is different.

[ruby merlin]

Should be able to bb at 98% without dying

[signal turret]

I honestly think it might be a lasgun vs. ballistic weapon thing?

[solid wren]

my dude gaslighting himself

[olive ember]

I think he was getting shot in the ass by a shotgunner

so I think shotgun projectiles are treated differently too

[signal turret]

Pretty sure Shotgun will interrupt rez too

yeah

[olive ember]

this game

this fucking game

[summer prairie]

they probably changed the treshhold to 98% from 97.5%

[glossy bough]

Huh maybe it is solid projectile then

[summer prairie]

just a guess though

[ruby merlin]

Snipers can go through deflect, so why not shotgunners

[lethal plover]

oh damn, deflector bug?

shotgunner and snipers go through?

[signal turret]

Moot point for me, I only have eyes for the MK V Axe now

[midnight violet]

BUT DID THEY FIX THE FKN SHOP SO IM NOT WAITING ALL NIGHT TO SEE ONE FORCE WEAPON WITH CRAP STATS? YES IM CAPS LOCKING< IM DRUNK AND ITS BEEN SEVERAL HOURS SINCE I FINISHED WORK AND IM ANGRIER THAN A ZEALOT

[glossy bough]

Oh do they lol, I've always dodged out of habit instead of trusting deflector

[olive ember]

go through deflector or go through rez block

two different things

[bright cipher]

working as intended :^)

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover I think it's intended, snipers at least.

[idle bay]

Fixed an issue that caused the Surge Forcestaff to kill players if pushed above 80% peril.
HA !! I knew it! That something was wrong with Peril on Surge staff

[lethal plover]

is there even evidence that rez block and deflector are different?

[olive ember]

I believe deflector still works for shotgunners normally it just doesn't work for the omnidirectional block you get well rezzing right

[summer prairie]

I think if the damage is high enough the attack goes through or some attacks are just tagged unblockable

[olive ember]

not rly no but if you can't block shotgunners I'm going to be sad

[nocturne maple]

Its supposed to work for snipers too but apparently is bugged right now

[signal turret]

Im shocked

[midnight violet]

cue shudders.

[olive ember]

what if... what if its an unmentioned nerf

[livid wraith]

makes sense.
Blocked sniper bullet. Yay.
Now at 163% peril. yaaaoiisoahjgoasidfghnlasdofg

[cyan echo]

Rage is no substitute for zeal!

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-sad-oh-no-gif-17379933

[olive ember]

I mean it would only put you up to 97 peril

[glossy bough]

Interesting

[lethal plover]

emotionally, I don't believe sniper hits harder than crusher, and I can tank crusher with peril block

[glossy bough]

There you go then

[south monolith]

Nah, if you invest in block eff you dont have to worry

[midnight violet]

ever closer to khorne....fumes away.....

[lethal plover]

how about shotgunner and reaper

[bright cipher]

sniper shots are fueled by sharp criticism and introspection

[glossy bough]

Yeah you can tank demonhost with perils block

[idle bay]

wait! It worked once for me .. yesterday. At least i think so. Or the shot was not for me bit for teammate near me

[south monolith]

It works fine for them. Ive only been shot by a sniper through the block

[lethal plover]

because I need to know what hit me in the ass in #psyker-class message

[glossy bough]

Am I imagining things, or does perils drain while you're blocking with it, as if you're simply not using a power?

[south monolith]

Passive quell

[signal turret]

It does drain. If you use a non-force it drains even faster

[glossy bough]

That's what I thought

[pine topaz]

SIBLINGS, the Emperor has Blessed me !!!!!!!!

[glossy bough]

Nice nice

[signal turret]

Pretty nice rolls, grats

[pine topaz]

spamming t2

[glossy bough]

Make that baby gold and pray to the Emperor

[rapid cliff]

Can I phrase my post in LFG as "Need big beefy ogryn BF to help me with penances"?

[pine topaz]

yeaaa

[glossy bough]

Not horny enough for average Darktide player

[tacit fractal]

add "slab shield" to it

[mellow crescent]

Would honestly be pretty funny to kill a psyker by shooting a bullet at them that makes them use too much magic to block it and explode.

[rapid cliff]

"Need big beefy ogryn bf with thick oily slab shield to protect me during penances"

[tacit fractal]

absolutely

[glossy bough]

Better

[midnight violet]

not a single force weapon in the sahop again. i dont get this...im definetely on my psyker...i dont understand....

[drifting cairn]

so my psyker isnt high enough level yet but is mind in motion useful? id assume i can just side dodge while quelling instead

[paper trail]

How many times a day do you check the shop?

[bright cipher]

you assume correct

[valid marsh]

very

[bright cipher]

mind in motion is in the same tier as peril block

making it bad

[olive ember]

its good for comfort/leveling but once you get a good enough staff/sword with good quell speed roll its better to swap to peril blocking

[midnight violet]

every hour since i finioshed work like 6 hours ago

[lethal plover]

riveting gameplay you must agree

[midnight violet]

and many other days ive been here in beta

[drifting cairn]

whats peril block good for anyways? like id assume you want to be lower peril even with something like "psykentic's wrath"

[paper trail]

blocking

[olive ember]

it makes you be able to tank ^^

[south monolith]

Just work on spreadsheets for darktide and check the shop every hour until you lose yourself to the warp

[drifting cairn]

I see

[mellow crescent]

It's like having 500% stam bar that you can recharge with your surge that isn't affected by pushing

[olive ember]

so while normally you would only be able to block like two hits with the FS, peril blocking suddenly means you can block like 20 and still be fine

[lethal plover]

this discord is now the academy of psyker tanks

[olive ember]

well it depends on whats hitting you

[livid wraith]

kinetic deflection is objectively better, but mind in motion feels good when you wanna turn your brain off and embrace the stunbot. If your team is good enough you can just stunbot all game and mind in motion is a QoL perk.

[olive ember]

but the distance between quelling with mind and motion and without isn't as drastic as you would think as long as you quell with staff

[mellow crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[south monolith]

Block efficiency, extra stam, and stam regen lets you tank damnation daemonshosts

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049871016333152276/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049871016844873788/image.png

the first image is without mind in motion, the 2nd is with mind in motion (I walked past the I and looked back)

its noticeable but not a deal breaker

as long as you quell using staff (and i think sword as well)

[stark snow]

will be even better once they fix stam curios to not be bugged to max of +1

[floral palm]

is this axe any good?

[drifting cairn]

also saw a build guide saying purge staff is good on higher difficulties but i remember the discord crying about how most staffs feel like shit

[olive ember]

tbh you don't rly need stam if you have peril blocking

[lethal plover]

"Leave the backline to me." -- local psyker
"Leave the frontline to me." -- also psyker
"Actually just leave the game to me." -- psyker

[olive ember]

all 3 staves work

we dont talk about trauma

[drifting cairn]

trauma feels ass to use

[south monolith]

Stam is just a buffer for when the daemonshosts pushes your peril high

[stark snow]

I like extra stam to sprint full onger

yeah I know

[olive ember]

I tested on my zealot but I don't think extra stam actually gives you more sprint

[hidden coral]

Yeah no, the three out of four staves popularly used are all pretty solid

[lethal plover]

but i remember the discord crying about how most staffs feel like shit
did you just, ugh, listen to the voices in your head?

[olive ember]

it just gives you more bars

[stark snow]

I am a very big proponent of peril blocking

[paper trail]

What I think would be nice would be if Trauma had an implosion mechanic that pulled mobs towards the explosion when it explodes as a different kind of CC

[mellow crescent]

and yet...

[south monolith]

If you want to tank anything up to a daemonhost the stam and regen is a good buffer

[stark snow]

hmm when I tested with/without curio I was able to sprint further

[olive ember]

so with 4 stam 75% leaves you with 3 bars, with 8 stam, 75% leaves you with 6 bars

[stark snow]

curios are capped at +1 bar right now even if it says 2 or 3 though

[glossy bough]

I thought the same thing about not wanting to get perils, but, god. You can block so much with kinetic deflection. Then the classic combo is to run a Deflector force sword so you can also block bullets.

Pretty wild to just hold a door and get free blocks like a slab shield ogryn, as a widdle wizard

[lethal plover]

such dastardly psyop

[livid wraith]

the problem with purge staff is zealot flamethrower exists and does your job much better. The only benefit you bring is you dont use ammo. Surge psyker and void are the only other options in my book, and void requires specific situations to shine.

[glossy bough]

For real

[olive ember]

but the actual % that sprinting takes doesn't change

[glad cliff]

FOR THE EMPEROR

[hidden coral]

Yeah I prefer toughness or health increases with force sword and the peril feat, I don't really ever need a block more powerful than that combo

[stark snow]

damn thats a lot better than mine and mine is pretty fucking good

[glossy bough]

That's some good blocking on that sword

[hidden coral]

Can still revive during swarms

[olive ember]

rip the 2nd trait though

[south monolith]

Stam and regen lets you push more as well. Makes wading through a horde easy

[olive ember]

shred isn't that good on force sword right

[glossy bough]

It's not what you're looking for

[olive ember]

stam recovery speed is prob rly good on something like the combat axe tho

[keen pawn]

Was nice knowing you. Time to move to the #ogryn-class side for a while

[glossy bough]

Not dogshit but not the chase

[olive ember]

you want either slaughterer or exorcist as second trait on FS

[glossy bough]

Exorcist + deflector is my dream

[olive ember]

one gives you just better damage and helps with hordes the other is free peril reduction

[glossy bough]

If the crafting system actually does just let us shuffle blessings around I don't care what it'll cost

[lethal plover]

Can't you just spam push even without stamina

[south monolith]

Exorcist is pogger. You dont need more damage on FS

[hidden coral]

Also as a voidstrike user

Spamming force push is a silly bean move

[drifting cairn]

when do you unlock purge staff after the changes to level requirements btw

[lethal plover]

The store

Pray for rng

[olive ember]

no clue sometime before 20 i would assume

[drifting cairn]

i just unlocked void at 11

[hidden coral]

Yeah I think it's in the 10-15 stretch

[lethal plover]

There's a steam guide
But it's hilariously wrong

I got stuff way before steam guide said I would

[drifting cairn]

soon yay

[south monolith]

All options should show up before 20. Or at least can

[drifting cairn]

i mean i know its a worse flamer but it still seems fun and pretty good

[livid wraith]

then go for it and have fun!

[drifting cairn]

also which lvl 5 talent is best?

[lethal plover]

I'm too tired to repeat the argument but purgatus is in many ways better than flamer

[olive ember]

depends on what staff you are running

[livid wraith]

' Many '

[olive ember]

purge - 1
voidstrike - 2
surge - 3

imo atleast

for general use 3 is prob the safest bet since you generate peril alot as psyker

[hidden coral]

The one that gives toughness on warp charge is what I use on Voidstrike and Psychic Communion

[lethal plover]

Search for my comments on purgatus in this channel if you want.

[drifting cairn]

purge

[hidden coral]

Not as much as 2, but still respectable

And gives you more toughness during really rough moments

Like being pinned by shooters on damnation and having to BB

[olive ember]

you run 1 then

[drifting cairn]

oh im currently running 2 with voidstrike cause i dont have purge yet

guess i picked right

[olive ember]

you would run something similar to this build with a purge staff

[loud violet]

Reject cc botism, embrace the flame

[olive ember]

void is this

surge is this

[glossy bough]

I wouldn't use purge until 30, when you can get the perk for soulblaze kills giving you warp charge. Then run the one for extra warp charges causing soul blazes

At that exact point flame staff goes nuts. I wouldn't bother before then

[young summit]

what does everyone use for curios, toughness ?

i run 3 thoughness ones atm

[lethal plover]

Also, don't be silly and compare a horde clearer to a crowd control role. The emperor weeps. Your team needs roles.

[paper trail]

even testing my purge flamer in the meatgrinder the 10% chance of soul charge seems awful

[olive ember]

running purge is fine pre 30, but the 30 trait is what gives you warp charges back, which synergizes with 6 stacks + peril resist to give you 36% peril resist

[paper trail]

as does the damage

[olive ember]

you killing stuff with the fire or the dot, the fire is bugged rn and you gotta kill stuff with the dot it applies afterwards

[paper trail]

I mean, it seems terrible though

[glossy bough]

The meat grinder doesn't have enough enemies to really show off what it can do

[hidden coral]

I prefer kinetic flayer over 6 charges, even as someone who takes the peril resist

[loud violet]

Ngl im not crazy about ascendant flame

[hidden coral]

Gives much easier upkeep

of warp charges

[paper trail]

Yeah I figured maybe a proper horde be better but then, I just enjoy shooting warp balls at hordes heads

[glossy bough]

I don't run purgatus personally. I'm a kinetic flayer surge enjoyer.

[nocturne maple]

I'm really having trouble with the self destruct penance

[loud violet]

In meatgrinder i didnt seem to get many charges or any from purgatus & ascendant flame

[lethal plover]

Search for my comments on purgatus. The other purge users are also asleep now. I also need to sleep. It's 6

[glossy bough]

Killing things is for veterans, I just hold them still

[rare bough]

Yeah something about shooting explosive balls into a crowd, the sound effect... the visual.... feels satisfying.

[loud violet]

I am a strong independent psyker

[olive ember]

on purge you generate charges so easily that 6 charges benefit more unless you are running the bug which lets you flame at 100%

[loud violet]

I do not care for veterans

[hidden coral]

Here's my build for my pretty standard FS+Voidstrike.

[hidden coral]

Mmm that's true, hadn't considered that! Ez upkeep

[glossy bough]

I learned I couldn't fight the bolters stealing my BB kills, so I just embraced it lol

[paper trail]

Are there any good videos of someone playing purge staff for a long period of time

[glossy bough]

As long as everyone is in formation for my free warp charges, I'm happy

[olive ember]

no point running damage at lvl 10 imo and idk how often you generate warp charges so that depends

[spare niche]

lol

[olive ember]

this is one full charge of purg staff btw

[nocturne maple]

I've grown to enjoy the first bottom feat for getting toughness from quelling peril. It actually counts any peril lost for toughness regen, whether it be from your ability or passive quelling

[hidden coral]

I prefer the damage over peril resist since my Voidstrike rolled with the blessing to mitigate peril with headshots

So I never go high on peril

[olive ember]

granted I think I had above average luck with warp charges

got 3 instead of usual like 2

but you can imagine what an actual game with like 3x the horde density would give ya

[hidden coral]

And Wrack and Ruin just sucks lmao

[loud violet]

I do it because 15% more damage is nice and peril doesnt matter for peak purgatus performance

[hidden coral]

So yeah, wasnt much of a competition

[livid wraith]

Sure you can make purgator staff work. but it is objectively worse than the flamer for holding a lane/clearing a horde. The flamer reaches 20m which coincidentally is right around the range many specials/elites stop at to launch their attacks.

[spare niche]

https://gfycat.com/TerribleInfantileAnteater

this just happened

[nocturne maple]

Wrack and ruin should be changed to just go off of any enemy and I think it'd be fine

[olive ember]

well thats if you are running bug

[loud violet]

Why wouldnt you

[olive ember]

cuz thats building around a bug that might get patched

but then again I don't run purge normally

so I'm just giving a general use build for people who don't necessarily know the bug and want to use purge

[errant stream]

• it is for schoolgirls

[loud violet]

I sorta doubt they will patch it

[south monolith]

Psykinetic's Wrath gives the 5% damage at 0 peril and the talent even affects forcesword non charged attacks

[loud violet]

But we can only wait and see

[paper trail]

what is the bug

[loud violet]

1k melee nukes

[cyan echo]

Patch now? Anyone got notes

[south monolith]

Its more reliable than warp charges

[olive ember]

5% damage on force weapon isn't that much honestly

thats 50 extra damage on like a FS special

[loud violet]

Use purgatus on 100 perio, hold right click at all times and just tap r before your flame runs out

[spare niche]

best stats for purge staff?

[olive ember]

it barely hits any breakpoints, and peril resist is generally better, especially on purge

[cyan echo]

high Burn

[spare niche]

77% good enough?

[cyan echo]

Sure

80% is the max anyway

[livid wraith]

stats only go to 80

[spare niche]

this was in shop

[olive ember]

yeah the lvl 10 damage trait doesn't even affect burn damage

it only affects the actual flame damage

[south monolith]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1050003921411772547 2 warp charges and 8% from Psykinetic's Wrath with a tuned FS lets you clap, without any warp charge RNG

[rapid cliff]

The only staff I haven't used is the fire one

What's the name of the one that created a column of psychic energy under people as it's secondary

[nocturne maple]

I fucking hate that one

[loud violet]

Thats still something

[spare niche]

best feats for purge?

[rapid cliff]

There's square eye, statue, eagle on top of eye

[nocturne maple]

It generates like an absolutely insane amount of peril for such little damage compared to some of the other staffs

[loud violet]

Burn / charge / dmg

[wise hemlock]

Whats the lasgun with the high rate of fire

[nocturne maple]

The bullpup one

[loud violet]

You can see it under their dmg

[cyan echo]

Aw yes

[rapid cliff]

The one with the handlebar

[wise hemlock]

whats it say

[olive ember]

barely, the damage is miniscule

[rapid cliff]

It's the scout lasgun

[loud violet]

2 bullets = brrrt

[olive ember]

the only thing force weapon would probably be good for is the trauma staff

[pure rapids]

recon lasgun

[loud violet]

Went from 16 to 17 dmg

The scaling on purgatus staff is silly

[olive ember]

i mean 10% of 16 is 1.6, I guess the game rounds down

but yeah you pretty much always run peril imo if you aren't using infinite flamethrower bug,

[paper trail]

I think it just has invisible decimals actually

[olive ember]

might be that too

[south monolith]

There are decimals

[paper trail]

something I was working out the other day that someone tried to convince me was some weird non linear scaling

[olive ember]

but voidstrike doesn't rly need it to do its job of clearing trash, surge has high peril generation/isn't rly a damage staff either, purge is mostly dot damage

I can only see force weapon being actually useful on the trauma staff to increase AOE damage

[paper trail]

actually seemed to scale perfectly lineraly

[spare niche]

whats feats do u use for purge staff?

[nocturne maple]

Surge actually does pretty good damage overall

[livid wraith]

the flamer does the same thing. its all about burn stat and cloud stat. higher burn stat = higher max stacks. stacks increase damage exponentially.

[spare niche]

ty ty

[rapid cliff]

The ogryn in my team reviving me for the 5th time because I thought I could handle a horde of enemies with just my force sword on heresy difficulty

[olive ember]

its decent for its role, but it also has fairly high peril gain if you are trying to deal damage and even if you are just cc'ing you still spam it alot which means you build up peril quick either way (10% for uncharged stun attack, 30% for full charge)

[karmic vessel]

I just LOVE my revolver after pach

[rapid cliff]

A doohickey

Looks like a pipe gun from fallout 4

[south monolith]

Faster reload

[tight spoke]

is this good?

[paper trail]

dont have a clue honestly am sitting looking at all my purgatus staffs wondering if any are even worth upgrading to try it out

[livid wraith]

killing them softly vibes

[olive ember]

apparently you want terrifying barrage on purge

considered "mandatory" from some purge users not too sure why

[paper trail]

I don't really understand that because is the whole point of it not that it spam staggers everything anyway?

[bleak tulip]

I gotta say I am curious how purg flat damage works, it certainly isnt fast 10 damage ticks or something, its bigger numbers, wonder if the flat damage scales with the amount of soulblaze stacks you apply because most of its damage is from the flat amount, not the burn stacks doing damage as far as I can tell

[loud violet]

Maybe cus it keeps ranged enemies from attacking your back

Idk

[olive ember]

well I suppose so

also

flamers in this game have like stupid good suppression

[paper trail]

does it thought cus its like what 5-10m from the person you killed

[olive ember]

the damn shooter on the left is cowering from my flames

[cyan echo]

Nice, testing in Meatgrinder now and you can do a quick-cast of surge on 95% peril without going boom

[paper trail]

it also entirely revolves around you actually killing something

[tight spoke]

welp

[olive ember]

you can quick cast up at 97%

[cyan echo]

Feelsgoodman

[pure rapids]

shouldn't be too hard for horde clear

[olive ember]

basically as long as you begin cast at 97.5% or below and actually cast it before 100%

[pure rapids]

purg's entire point is clearing trash

if you're using it on anything more you're using it wrong

[nocturne maple]

Its really fucking good at killing maulers and ragers too

[olive ember]

though i will say it takes a second to cast even with uncharged, so its a bit sketch to cast it at 97% better of just casting it at a lower threshold

[paper trail]

I thought it was CC like surge

[cyan echo]

its insanely nice now, you can quickcast, quell, quickcast, quell

[bright river]

what a great tattoo

[nocturne maple]

Honestly, the only thing its not good at killing is Bulwarks, cause they can block the fire.

[olive ember]

also you can charge the surge staff infinitely even at 100%. You don't blow up unless you actually acst

[pure rapids]

yea you can CC as well but the CC's range ain't as far as surge

[near wyvern]

it depends from the warp resistance you have

if you have the warp resistance per warp charge, that also affects it

[cerulean rune]

played with a level 15 psyker on heresy, didn't think he was too low level, aight
dude died 15+ times during the entire level, dear lord how

[pure rapids]

though for close range CC Purg > Surge

especially in a mixed horde

[olive ember]

im pretty sure even at 0 charges you can still cast at 97

[paper trail]

shop refresh 1 minute

[near wyvern]

surge is anti-armor and ranged cc

purge is cc everything that is close and not armoured

[olive ember]

but again its sketch since you have to release the charge before you hit 100

[livid wraith]

Surge 20m. Flamer 20m. Purg 14m. If you're going to be a cc bot might as well do it from as far as possible.

[paper trail]

get ready cus this is the one

[near wyvern]

yes you can but you can go higher than that with charges

[olive ember]

im sure as hell not risking past 97 tbh

[pure rapids]

yea and how tf are you gonna CC elites in a horde

[paper trail]

I usually just push myself into overcharge then use my ability to blow it off

[ruby merlin]

@cerulean rune he just sucked, psykers can do really well on heresy at level 5 even

[near wyvern]

the peril in the game is actually a float value, the UI shows an integer that is rounded down so in some cases you can find a peril value where you sometimes explode and sometimes don't

[olive ember]

press F and cc, or more often the trash mobs in the horde just die, so you end up having the elites at the front where you CC em

[cerulean rune]

i had to solo the mission basically with fire staff and catachan sword, it was god awful

[pure rapids]

yea but that relies on having your ult up

[ruby merlin]

@cerulean rune yeah anyone who can't melee, you can really tell on heresy and damnation lol

[pure rapids]

I'd rather have point blank CC on demand

[olive ember]

I mean honestly I just don't run flamer because I'd rather just run flamer on zealot

less hassle

[livid wraith]

quick, 3 bulwarks and 2 crushers just rushed your team, FLAME THEM BROTHER

kekw

[signal turret]

exactly lol

[olive ember]

also surge staff brings the unique benefit of cc'ing mutants, bursters, pox hounds

[cerulean rune]

flamethrower isn't good against crushers

[olive ember]

which other classes can't do

[cerulean rune]

but nice for most everything else

[ruby merlin]

surge + antax mk v axe on psyker, probably going to be the first true solo damnation build

[livid wraith]

my point exactly

[pure rapids]

yea of course I ain't arguing against that

[olive ember]

flamer is good against anything but crushers tbh

[pure rapids]

which is why I explicitly stated against mixed hordes

[tight saddle]

I had a Vet last night crying about the Toughness bug as he went down 20+ times in Heresy dying over and over. The other 2 people in the team were also Vets and I was Psyker and he refused to believe that the toughness bug was fixed and that was the only reason he was dying. Yet none of us others went down once.

[near wyvern]

the thing is if your team's damage sucks, surge is not going to do it at heresy and damnation, things are not getting killed fast enough

however, if you got the players to do the dps, you can keep them untouchable

[livid wraith]

if you want to mixed horde then play zealot flamethrower

it does purge job better

[cerulean rune]

nothing of value was lost
he'll make good corpse starch

[pure rapids]

I'd rather Zealot use a bolter

[south monolith]

It tastes better fresh

[olive ember]

I feel like FS might be better on solo because otherwise you'll get shot to shit antax is good horde clear but it won't help against gunner and reaper spam

[ruby merlin]

@tight saddle Some people have egos in videogames, it's kinda funny :P. If they just recognized that "Oh I suck", then they'd improve fast.

@olive ember You just LoS properly, force sword lacks passive quell speed

if you are caught in the open in true solo you die already

no way around that

[olive ember]

ngl I was gonna say toughness bug was a legit complaint until I realized that this was last night

[cerulean rune]

people need to abuse dodge sliding more

[tight saddle]

We were trying to be polite at first, but as he got more and more rude towards the end we started laughing.

[ruby merlin]

Yep, I always dodge slide lol

[olive ember]

fair enough

[ruby merlin]

dodge slide works really well vs mutants especially

[signal turret]

I feel like if you play T4/T5 hordes are so trivial having a Zealot with a flamer is just a nice to have. Giving up the god-like CC of Surge for a bargain bin flamer is a weird take to me. Trading peerless utility for... killing dregs and poxwalkers?

[pure rapids]

that's what my T4 pugs seem to struggle with the most

so that's why I bring purg

[livid wraith]

now we are getting into semantics, bolter zealot is okay, but the flamer on damnation is too good to pass up imo if you are going for safety.

[olive ember]

a zealot flamer on assassination is truly goat

[pine topaz]

I praise the emperor when my heresy runs has a ogryn and a zealot flamer

[ruby merlin]

@pure rapids I can just hard carry pugs on heresy with an antax mk v axe

[olive ember]

trivializes the hordes during boss event while also building burn stacks on the boss itself

[livid wraith]

the point is zealot flamethrower is objectively better than purgator staff psyker.

[ruby merlin]

doesn't matter if they all die

[olive ember]

so when the shields go down even if no one is hitting boss you still deal damage to it

[signal turret]

That's the point im trying to make lol. Let the Zealot bring his significantly better flamer, Purgatus is ass

[olive ember]

someone mentioned that purge psyker is better than flamer zealot, but even if thats true the opportunity cost is just too much imo

[ruby merlin]

I'd never want to play zealot with a flamer with pugs though

just imagine a situation where no pug knows how to shoot a sniper

lol

[olive ember]

like you are giving up hard CC on the most annoying elites when zealots can do basically the same thing

[pure rapids]

exactly my point

[signal turret]

but better

[cerulean rune]

just W key into him and slide into the shots to dodge them lol

[ruby merlin]

But I always run surge anyway

@cerulean rune kinda risky on damnation 😛

[cyan echo]

• Veteran meleeing the horde with powersword-noises in the distance *

[pure rapids]

the pugs I keep encountering can't horde clear for shit and can't pay attention to elites/specials for shit

[olive ember]

anyways its literally 7 AM and I didn't sleep and im going to be screwed today so gn

[livid wraith]

sounds like a positioning/movement issue on your part. You can 100% carry pugs with flamer

[pure rapids]

so I bring a purg for horde clear and BB for specials/elites

[olive ember]

time for a quick 3 hour nap i guess

[cerulean rune]

naaaaah ez

[ruby merlin]

@pure rapids just run the antax mk v axe, then you have all the horde clear you need

[pure rapids]

I run that too

[ruby merlin]

@livid wraith On damnation? I much prefer a psyker

You just have all the tools you need to deal with everything

[livid wraith]

with purg? elaborate.

[worthy wasp]

Yo, lets say Zealot's flamer can kill hordes 2 seconds faster than a Psyker's Void Staff or Purgatus.

It cant use Peril to Block, it cant gain toughness of Flamer kill, it cant turn peril into toughness, it cant block bullets, etc...

[ruby merlin]

surge

and antax

[livid wraith]

surge I agree. surge is op.

stunbot city baby. we were arguing about Purge vs. flamer.

[worthy wasp]

The ideal party is 1 ogryn, 1 vet, 2 psykers

[signal turret]

I wouldnt argue against that, but that dream comp is hardly ever a reality

[cyan echo]

4 psykers, one with lasgun 🤡

[livid wraith]

Surge brings something no one else brings to the table. Purg brings a shitty version of something else. Void brings a uniquely powerful but too situational ability.

[worthy wasp]

Because I'd rather have a force sword + void staff/purgatus for clutch revives to pair with an antax mk5 + surge psyker than a fkn Zealot that brings nothing to the party but horde clear

[olive ember]

Hammer + flamer zealot brings some boss and crusher damage I suppose

[livid wraith]

Imagine basing your identity around your team being trash

[pure rapids]

that's what pugs tend to be

[worthy wasp]

Imagine placing faith in randoms

[signal turret]

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that the best melee weapon for the magic caster* is an axe and the front-line bruiser's is a dagger

[worthy wasp]

If everyone stuck together and werent shit, we'd all be talking about how this game needs a new difficulty because damnation is too easy

[pure rapids]

exactly

[olive ember]

Never mind stuck together we get teammates worse than bots

[tight saddle]

I prefer playing with pugs that suck since it makes me have to think on my feet and constantly adapt to the wild shit that happens, when I play Damnation with good players it's a boring game because of how easy it is.

[olive ember]

Legit wanted to brain dead level my zealot and I ended up having to hard carry and on fucking malice like come on

It’s malice

[livid wraith]

If you wanna play void/surge psyker then I think your doing gods work. If you play purg psyker you're just a shitty zealot.

[pure rapids]

better Zealot*

Zealot ain't BBing shit

[livid wraith]

That's all I needed to know kekw

[pure rapids]

what they gonna do? Wave their hammer at a sniper?

[cyan echo]

I guess the consensus is that Zealots are in a bad place

[clear heath]

All the void users i see just kill the toughness fodder enemies that no one cares about

[pure rapids]

exactly why Zealot would be better off with a lasgun/bolter

than a flamer

they already bring horde clear with melee

why bring a 2nd horde clear weapon?

[worthy wasp]

Theres always a jackass or 2 that screeches "I GOT 97% DAMAGE RESIST BRO" and charges ahead, dies/get jumped by a hound, then the roleplaying Ogryn has to go out of their way to save em and dies... the Vet dies because he was in the next room over looking for ammo and got caught by a trapper... the Psyker dies because they are one of the plebs crying about how "psyker is a glass cannon with no cannon"

[clear heath]

If they bring a lasgun/bolter, people will call them a shitty vet

which is true but

[signal turret]

Wouldn't say they're in a bad place, they just don't have a critical niche that they alone can fill

[olive ember]

Nothing beats yesterday tho, 30 min uprising game because team was actual garbage… espionage, first task starts ogryn player gets netted miles away because he’s too far behind, I go back to rescue him, literally fighting through a horde to do so, I get to him, pick him up, only to turn around and find my other two teammates downed… all of this and the objective was still 1/5 (I did one scan before ogryn got caught) like holy shit. I was so done I went past tilting and salt and just asked “are you guys new”

[cyan echo]

press F to pay respects to the roleplaying ogryn

[midnight violet]

7 hours and this is the best force weapon out of 3 that ive seen.

[livid wraith]

because the flamer will legit stop an entire flank that would normally take 2 people to hold. The zealot flamer is worth 2 people horde clearing, with a 20m range. The flamer destroys. and the zealot has an even better bug than that shitty infinite blue stuff if we wanna talk bugs making things viable.

[brazen magnet]

100 hours in and a 383 blue is the best ive seen

gee gee game

but a MILLION autoguns en recon lass

😄

[signal turret]

7 hours is rookie numbers lol, Tencent won't bless you with bountiful drops if you dont bless them with more player engagement

[cyan echo]

oh yeah, Zealot gets armorpiercing bullets on using F as well

[olive ember]

Flamers also bring massive suppression that no other weapon can compare too so there’s that

[brazen magnet]

great curios though

[midnight violet]

ive been here since beta. im talking 7 hours since i finished work

today

[signal turret]

Oh, well... That's depressing. If it makes you feel better I was and I guess am in the same boat. Replaced my FS with a MK V tho

[brazen magnet]

lol high intensity engagement damnation is so swingy

run starts and literally 11 shotgunners and a couple dozen gunners run at us and we die

next run, all smoothe

[olive ember]

Did something change and people are actually running damnation pubs now? Last I checked it was just solo penance hunters running damnation

[tight saddle]

Damnation always had people wdym

Even in the Beta

[olive ember]

I meant pubs

[tight saddle]

yeah random quickplay

[olive ember]

Dunno where you played but for me that shut was always empty

It’s the reason why people are even trying to run achievements in damnation

Cuz it’s empty a lot of the times and you can actually do it kinda solo

[proud swift]

yknow i had been saying it was weird that psykers got "brain burst" and not "smite" like in the tabletop, and the patch notes say:

Fixed some animation errors when dodging using Psyker’s “Smite” and then canceling the charge.

[bright cipher]

bro dont post trauma staff here

[olive ember]

Smite is the lightning staff

[proud swift]

Isn't the lightning staff called Surge?

[olive ember]

Pretty sure it’s smite

[cyan echo]

Yes

No, Surge

[proud swift]

c:

[olive ember]

If someone else can check weapon details and alternate fire

[cyan echo]

Maybe its called Smite in some other language?

[olive ember]

Yeah it is smite

[proud swift]

Oh damn that's wild!

[cyan echo]

The ability yes, but the staff is called Surge

[proud swift]

TIL! ty ty

[midnight violet]

i know right. second one out of three force weps ive seen in the shop for 7 FUCKING HOURS

[sterile lake]

Nah it is really funny
I mean after all it is either about having fun, which would make you use the class specific weapons, or about minmaxing, which can be very rewarding
Minmaxing can always lead to hilarious results, because usually a game is not based on minmaxing

[livid wraith]

yo guys check out the BLAZE BOLT staff

[midnight violet]

im getting super mad man

[bright cipher]

i think its cool that were not shoehorned into a specific vision of a class

[livid wraith]

we should def call it blaze bolt staff now.

[bright cipher]

tf is this

[paper trail]

they all have blaze bolt

[proud swift]

Which staff is that? Voidstrike?

OH that's the primary fire ok

[tight saddle]

Some people just don't want to believe that Damnation can be easily done with any weapon and feat combination.

[nocturne maple]

Ehhhh I wouldn't run an Ogryn on Damnation without a shield unless I'm playing with people I know

[bright cipher]

the conversation isnt about "is it possible" its about "what is the best"

[nocturne maple]

And even then, only if they've built themselves in such a way it makes it manageable for me

[livid wraith]

I agree with you, yet I will still argue that some things are just shittier versions of other things. The two are not against each other.

[bright cipher]

everyone knows a good enough team can clear damn with anything

[midnight violet]

what you duel sword peeps think of this? worth a go?

[weak herald]

Is the pick and mix penance bugged ?

[olive ember]

I don’t use dueling sword

[livid wraith]

4-man punch only damnation when

[tight saddle]

I didn't say that to excuse poor balance, I mostly made it as a comment on people getting emotionally invested in something being good or bad. Making an observation is fine, but getting riled up over it is silly.

[olive ember]

Apparently it’s bugged and can be done on malice now

Like bruh I want people to suffer like I did kekw

[bright cipher]

not even 350

[midnight violet]

neither but apparentelyt the shop wotn give me force weps sooo\

[weak herald]

Oh ? smh I don't seem to make progress on it despite playing in heresy so it seemed weird

[olive ember]

The progress doesn’t rly track even tho it goes 0/5

[livid wraith]

This is the internet. I'm playing emotional crypto lottery here. If I can't pretend you guys aren't humans to inflate my sense of superiority then wtf is the point of all this.

[paper trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-crying-sad-emotional-sentimental-gif-20646670

[olive ember]

You just gotta kill 5 specials/elites in 12 seconds

[weak herald]

Ffs, I hate this penance

[olive ember]

Easiest way is gunner spam

[weak herald]

Different ones too ?

[olive ember]

Yeah it’s bad nah not different ones

[weak herald]

Wait you can get the same type ? WTF

[olive ember]

You can kill 5 gunners and it will count

[midnight violet]

so thats a nope

[olive ember]

Yeah rly bad wording

[weak herald]

I feel like I did it already

[olive ember]

Is it 5 within 12 seconds?

[weak herald]

Yeah

[olive ember]

And you have to be the one to kill it so if that vet kill stole then that’s a rip moment

[onyx oracle]

I thought all kill counts are based on team kills.

[olive ember]

Not for achievements

[livid wraith]

coruscation staff, more like horusheresy staff amirite

[olive ember]

Especially “killing 5 elites/specials with brain bursts in 12 seconds”

[weak herald]

What a burden haha

So apparently it works on Malice yeah ?

Guess i'll need to run kinetic barrage again...

[olive ember]

Apparently but the hordes are smaller so idk how reliably you can find packs of 5 gunners/shotgunners/other assorted elites

[livid wraith]

Boys, my body is ready for the disappointment.

[spare niche]

gl gl

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

whilst i wait for his blessing

[midnight violet]

i know right. you only exist to temporarily fill my need for sociatal validation, and if you wont acquiese to that, then your not a part of my simulation.

[bright cipher]

SLAM IT

[livid wraith]

karking tech priest

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/po-dies-dies-of-death-teletubbies-gif-23885910

[livid wraith]

😭

[midnight violet]

omg fuck you

[olive ember]

Oof those traits

[midnight violet]

GIMME SWORD. FUCKING GAME

[olive ember]

Guess we waiting for trait transfer

[bright cipher]

you actually slammed it to orange...

[south monolith]

At least you can run faster while farming for the next one

[livid wraith]

he said slam it

[bright cipher]

if u dont get deflector 1st roll u move on to the next sword

[livid wraith]

nah nah nah, SLAM

[olive ember]

I’m surprised you kept going after seeing shred as your first trait

[spare niche]

🤔

[livid wraith]

true the sprint made me cri

but i had hope. Im having the same issue as @midnight violet

no force swords

so i saw that and went, "IT HAS TO WORK THIS TIME"

[midnight violet]

i feel that

[livid wraith]

also i haven't rolled anything for a while

[spare niche]

well i would keep it untill we can do more crafty business so u could change them

[spiral escarp]

A force staff

[ruby merlin]

@compact mist If you gotta use a gun, get one with ghost on it

[compact mist]

oh shit i thought its veteran sorry all i will remove my abomination now

[hard breach]

My luck right? The one time melk have a staff

It's a Trauma

[livid wraith]

I mean. It 2 charge shots a crusher on damnation so there's that. 🥲 - I meant my sword above

[hard breach]

yeah but voidstaff also does that right?

[ruby merlin]

Nope

Trauma has the highest burst dps I think

and really good cc of course

just harder to aim, requires your team to actually use funnels etc

[potent lotus]

siblings the surge fixes good

I can cast at high peril and it won't kill me because I get to 100

[ruby merlin]

Yeah, can surge at 100% and it'll only go into the animation

and you can use ulti to get out etc

Before it just insta popped you 😛

But now we really need damnation 3+ or something

default damnation is way easier than cata IMO

[hard breach]

When you upgrade a Curio but it gets Experience gain on it when you use Hadron

[pure rapids]

too bad no mods for you

[hard breach]

instantly worthless

[ruby merlin]

@pure rapids hopefully they'll add in chaos wastes thing here, plus harder official difficulties, then I also want a dark eldar wych so I can get my main (shade) back.

[pure rapids]

imo dedicated servers is a mistake for a game like Darktide

[ruby merlin]

I mean they copied and pasted the zealot, might as well get the shades 😛

[potent lotus]

same for extra money

not even level 30 yet and I got about 100k saved up while buying anything the shop has that's any good lol

[cyan notch]

at least extra money is useful

+xp gives absolutely nothing

[cunning lance]

does purgatus fire count as soulblaze now

[pure rapids]

always has

[cyan notch]

idk why they dont have 30(+blahblah) in darktide

[potent lotus]

past the point of already having more money than you need it's also pretty useless

[cunning lance]

ive always heard it wasnt

huh

[pure rapids]

who ever you heard that from be spouting nonsense

[potent lotus]

would be cool if they just did vt2 stuff and give you a random item or something past 30 for leveling up

[livid wraith]

I haven't had the pleasure to use force sword too much. Is this what most force swords will do charged up?

[cyan notch]

or anything from completing a mission besides money

[marble marten]

what perks do u want for a dueling sword

[bright cipher]

yes

1 surge and 1 powered up heavy will kill a mutant on damn

[bright cipher]

nothing is mandatory on dueling sword, except good stat rolls

[south monolith]

Forcesword can oneshot mutants as well

As long as it's a head shot

[livid wraith]

you must need a power increase on it.

[bright cipher]

yeah just a base FS with good rolls wont 1 shot a mutie on damnation

[ruby merlin]

@south monolith Antax axe has 1100+ dps on mutants on damnation, and is more versatile + more passive quell to take advantage of peril block

[south monolith]

+25% maniac, 2 warp charges, 8% Psykinetic's Wrath, and max damage and first target

[ruby merlin]

Beheading 5 mobs in one swing on damnation is nice as well

(all with light attacks)

I'd never take force sword atm as long as the passive quell is so low personally.

[cyan notch]

axe doesnt look cool

[ruby merlin]

If you want fashion run with the dueling sword

[cyan notch]

no it doesnt have force block and push

[ruby merlin]

force push sucks compared to push attack on the axe IMO

[south monolith]

Exorcist blessing is very good on FS

[ruby merlin]

So I'd never use the force sword, lacks the amount of clutch potential

@south monolith Pretty sure the axe still quells way faster than the sword lol

And you can do it without attacking

[cyan echo]

FS is the best for clutch resurrections

[ruby merlin]

which makes it super clutch

[cyan notch]

cosplaying as palpatine but doesnt use the force

pfft

[cyan echo]

But for surviving when you're all alone vs stuff, axe is better

[south monolith]

What are the axes breakpoints?

[ruby merlin]

@south monolith I got this shitty one with under 300 rating base stats, it one shots normal mobs on damnation

[south monolith]

I mean elites and beefy specials

[ruby merlin]

so basically any one of them will do so long as it has brutal momentum on it

[sleek herald]

hmm, worth getting and upgrading? stats are a bit meh but transfer peril ❤️

[onyx oracle]

Why is Staffs so hard to find in Store.... As a psyker... Insane.... Level 25, still using level 19 staff.

[ruby merlin]

@south monolith mutants you just light attack, dogs die in three light hits on damnation.

maulers/ogryns you're better off ulting then bb spam with the rapid perk

but the axe can kill a mauler in 5 heavies or so

[cyan notch]

yea id do it just keep the other

dont even need to upgrade tbh

[ruby merlin]

The main thing is the push attack perma staggers any mob that isn't a boss

[south monolith]

FS has great breakpoints

[sturdy cypress]

Axe is better for hordes , FS better for deflection blocking ranged and being able to res. Also FS has good animation cancel combos with surge to 1 shot specials and elites on 4/5 difficutly

[ruby merlin]

@south monolith Also the axe can perma block a daemonhost, the force sword cannot

[cyan echo]

for maulers/ogryns, just charge up the Surge

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo This is for the axe

[cyan echo]

Talking about Surgaxe combo

😄

[ruby merlin]

Like if you are alone in a horde and you need to res people, I'd rather have the axe

[south monolith]

lol what, you can still tank daemonshots with FS

[midnight violet]

omg i had the best team and game crashed

[sterile lake]

I need to stop reading FS as fatshark instead of force sword

[ruby merlin]

@south monolith you can, but you need to dodge a lot more

[midnight violet]

recconect, recconect. we got dis

[cyan notch]

i assume this is charged heavy

[ruby merlin]

With the axe you can actually just sit there most of the time, eat most of the attacks and block lol.

[south monolith]

yuppers

[ruby merlin]

Force sword is fine when you're stable IMO

[sturdy cypress]

have you successfully perma tanked a demon host with force sword? I've held him off for a few mins at best but im deffiantly taking dmg and cant just sit in corner holding right click

[ruby merlin]

but when shit hits the fan I'd rather have the axe

[bright cipher]

true

[ruby merlin]

@sturdy cypress you can't without dodging really well, because the force sword passive quell is MUCH slower than any other melee weapon.

But use any other melee weapon and it becomes super easy

[bright cipher]

you need peril block and axe or dueling sword, FS cant do it reliably

[cyan echo]

due to the increased passive quell on axe?

[bright cipher]

yes

and dueling sword has mad dodges

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo rather the fs is just slower than everything else

yep, dueling sword dodges are really nice

it's a decent reason to take it over the axe, less dps, more mobility.

Plus fashion of course

but less clutch ability IMO if left alone and swarmed.

[drifting cairn]

Any tips for "Pick N' Mix"? like do i want specific feats or?

same thing but for warp battery instead

[sleek herald]

get yourself an axe like that and one shot every mob in the swarm lmao

[ruby merlin]

@sleek herald yep exactly lol