psyker-class

[worthy wasp]

I got top secret tech to finishing any mission with ease

[subtle solstice]

I would but I'm at work

[violet pollen]

No carry

[shadow helm]

Does this apply to ranged attacks too ?

[void anvil]

gib deflection force sword pls mmmmkay

[subtle solstice]

I get paid to chat on my phone

[magic hull]

😞

[subtle solstice]

Sure does

[magic hull]

quit work

[novel stratus]

hell yeah

[magic hull]

u dont need it

[violet pollen]

Only nerds get carried

[subtle solstice]

I also get paid to sleep

Play games at work

Eat

[worthy wasp]

Top secret damnation tech:

1. stick together

2. dont be shit

no where did I say you had to be good

And gg

[novel stratus]

true

[subtle solstice]

You forgot step 3

[violet pollen]

Being good helps

[gray island]

wait how do i do the second step

[violet pollen]

Like, having game knowledge

[subtle solstice]

3. Rinse and Repeat

[worthy wasp]

The problem with zealots is

[subtle solstice]

They are zealots

They think they are little Chaplins?

[worthy wasp]

Not all zealots are dumbasses, but all dumbasses are zealots

[magic hull]

you wanna trade

[gray island]

Honestly?? Tempting

[subtle solstice]

That's the greatest explanation ever

[worthy wasp]

yo check out this rod

[violet pollen]

Almost finished a mission but the dumbasses died and I got swarmed

[magic hull]

yeh but game dont allow trade 😦

[worthy wasp]

quell speed is worthless, this staff is legit

[sleek herald]

lmao you guys sound like that german accent voice of psyker

[subtle solstice]

How use your CC

[violet pollen]

Someone explain to me why I gotta tell ppl to put down med packs?!

[magic hull]

but all dumbasses are zealots

[violet pollen]

10/10 as usual

[subtle solstice]

If you can't then either Peril block or Crab Battle

[magic hull]

jk i love my zealot friends

[violet pollen]

But there were crushers and swarm on all sides

[tranquil badge]

I think new people are worried about wasting it or they are like me and are forgetful

[subtle solstice]

Crab Battle is a technique I invented

[violet pollen]

Then don't pick it up?

[tranquil badge]

I try to pick up scriptures that way i can’t forget to drop healing

Not gonna leave it if everyone else is already carrying it

[subtle solstice]

It's when you need to get through a group of enemies because all your team tucked tail and ran

[gray island]

is Pick n Mix broken for lvl 4s?

[tranquil badge]

I don’t pick it up if someone else can carry

[violet pollen]

I'm always support,so I don't forget such things

[subtle solstice]

If you turn side ways and dodge instead of running forwards you are almost impossible to hit lol

[tranquil badge]

I asked this earlier it’s not broke but it’s not something that shows progress

You get it or you don’t

[subtle solstice]

Just don't hit a wall

[violet pollen]

I was going for the revive but my teammate fucked off to the other side of the arena and I died

[gray island]

gotcha thats what I figured. all or nothing it is

[subtle solstice]

That happens a lot

[magic hull]

theres one time i fell off a ledge right next to them and they just go to the next point and forgo me bruh 💀

[violet pollen]

Too often.....we should execute them

[subtle solstice]

I notice your team mates feel empowered when you are controlling that crowd then they get a big head next they think they are space marines

Next thing you know they are running ahead like a bunch of Zealots

[violet pollen]

True, and I'm panicking trying to manage specials and crowd

[subtle solstice]

Then bam they tuck tail and run cause they got rushed

[subtle solstice]

Exactly

[violet pollen]

Yep, but like even as psych you can manage melee

[subtle solstice]

That's when they run off

[magic hull]

you can if you arent surrounded 360

thats when its the oh shit moment

[subtle solstice]

It's like look he's got them distracted retreat

[violet pollen]

Basically

[fallow meadow]

I am not sure what my emperor want from me...

[violet pollen]

Then they get sniped because died and can't bb it across the map

[subtle solstice]

I have seen so many teams so this it's not even funny

Of maybe funny in hindsight

[magic hull]

bruh

[subtle solstice]

It's like let's let the glass cannon distract them while we run away

[west current]

Why is quell speed worthless?

[twilit comet]

Does anyone know how to equip trinkets? The cosmetic ones

[magic hull]

press V on weapon, theres a trinket bar top right.

or C i forgo

[subtle solstice]

Speaking of that what was that thing they gave me when I hit 30 after the cutscene

[twilit comet]

Ahhhh..... they are one the weapon. 45 hours and didn't see that 🙂

Also - I got the 400 aquilla psyker helm thing (circlet looking thing) and I'm pissed because it forces no-hair. I bought it figuring it would keep your hair 😦

[subtle solstice]

Like a Rosery or something saw it pop in my chat but not in my inventory

[twilit comet]

Robbed

[pine iris]

I finally played a match with a veteran who used their special ability regularly. Apparently it's rare because it helps a lot

[untold kestrel]

so i hear the argument that non force sword drains peril faster. but i'm not sure its a real reason to switch due to peril management being pretty easy regardless

are you guys switching due to that? or just weapon preference otherwise

[analog juniper]

Lmao. Then you've been getting all the noob veterans

[subtle solstice]

I like the force sword

[velvet trail]

both. Being able to rely on auto-quell means you are way less vulnerable in general

[subtle solstice]

But if I can quell my peril to 0 quickly I might change it's important when carrying a team

Means I can sustain CC more often

[untold kestrel]

i'm assuming youre not running the perk that gives extra damage per peril on force weapons then?

[velvet trail]

Im not

[subtle solstice]

I do but I might change it

[trail tapir]

the cool part is that its entirely passive and quick

[velvet trail]

I run with the warp charge reduces peril

[untold kestrel]

yeah i guess my play style is different than yours

[trail tapir]

brrrrrrrr, fight horde a lil and there you go, ready to brrrrrr again

[untold kestrel]

i like high peril. i like the extra damage

[subtle solstice]

That's how I run usually

[untold kestrel]

but i can respect the preference you guys have

[subtle solstice]

Because that damage stacked with 4 warp charges claps

[velvet trail]

I like always being able to do something, so while peril is cooling down I can be actively swinging or pushing or whateverr

[subtle solstice]

I mean high peril and a couple of warp charges utterly demolishes everything even on T5

[untold kestrel]

yeah i do staff until high peril then force sword while it drains down. never had an issue with peril getting too high if forced into sword

always havbe the ultimate worst case scenario

[subtle solstice]

Same

[tender cipher]

Can always just sword a bit, dodge a bit, then quell with staff.

[velvet trail]

Its more that if you are actively using the force sword, then you delay your next staff usage longer, which I assume is what you mainly want to be using

[subtle solstice]

I use Surge staff and it's claps with all that bonus damage

[velvet trail]

Not knocking on your playstyle either, manual quelling does get you back to staff faster at the end of the day

[subtle solstice]

Headed pop like crazy, specials get stunlocked and the smaller ones get insta killed

[untold kestrel]

it depends really. maniacs i like sword, hordes i like staff, dogs/pox bursters i like sword

bb occasionally on the priority targets

[subtle solstice]

I usually BB if someone pings or if I am getting sniped

[untold kestrel]

i also do enjoy having cleave on my melee weapon, but i think im the minority in that sense since most players want the high single target hits

[subtle solstice]

Other than that I naturally generate charges

[velvet trail]

Cleave isn't something i'd assume you use the FS sword for

[untold kestrel]

idk i guess i like that force sword can kinda do it all. need a single target hit? special into heavy

[gritty stratus]

hey guys, gneral chat is on fire rn, does anyone know how to look at the flavour text for weapons?

[velvet trail]

i do miss the special of FS when i go without, thats for sure

[worthy wasp]

Because I dont use force sword as a melee.

I can just weapon swap instead of hitting the quell button and quell mad quick while still being able to defend myself/contribute

[untold kestrel]

whats the second best melee weapon single hit? chainb saw or axe?

as far as highest damage in a single hit

[velvet trail]

I'd assume the chainsaw special would be it. Axe heavy is way safer though

[gritty stratus]

without active the chainsword

[worthy wasp]

MkV Antax bby

[untold kestrel]

not often since i use void staff, but occasionally you get forced into melee and cleave is nice for poxwalkers

[gritty stratus]

Combat axe gang

[teal cargo]

FS passivr quell is super slow

[dusky smelt]

what do u mean by flavor text

[untold kestrel]

full circle. thats what started this, and my question was why does it matter though? peril management is pretty easy

[dusky smelt]

in melee i just the block attack its knocks all the poxs on their ass

[velvet trail]

Makes sense. I use purgatus, so I'm usually much closer to the action. When peril is high, can jump straight in

[teal cargo]

idk when you blocking a lot it gets pretty sketch ☠️

[worthy wasp]

IMO, after further experimentation in Damnation:

Void Staff = Dueling Sword Mk V

Surge Staff = Antax Mk V

Purg Staff = Force Sword or Dueling Sword Mk V

As far as best in class weaponry goes

I can provide explanations

[untold kestrel]

i want to watch other pyskers play this game because i feel like i'm playing a different one quite often lol

[velvet trail]

okay why MKV over MKIV duel sword, I cant get why everyone likes that one more

[teal cargo]

idk tbh, never tried mkiv

[velvet trail]

the light attacks for MKV are really annoying

[teal cargo]

ligjts are good vs horde

[dusky smelt]

bb needs to get buffed our niche of snipes specials is dont better by vets rn

[velvet trail]

MKV has two diagonal slices from bottom to top which always hit crap body parts

MKIV light chains are all diagonal top down

great for cleave and headshots

[teal cargo]

Why Antax for surge 👀

[untold kestrel]

all of us agree on that. there's like 4 maybe 5 enemies its worth it to use it on still but otherwise its typically a vets job

[flint sky]

Heres your 300 dps bro

Enjoy these 2700hp reapers

[teal cargo]

BB needs to loke one shot Hounds on Heresy

[worthy wasp]

Huge dodge distance, by far the best headshots/elite killing, and you pair it with Void Staff because Void takes cares of the hordes while Dueling Sword Mk V massive dodge range and moveset creates space for you to continue blasting like Danny Devito in Its Always Sunny

[teal cargo]

pretty dumb tjat it cant

[worthy wasp]

@velvet trail ^

[flint sky]

Needs to do it regardless of diff

Fuck dogs

All my homies hate dogs

[teal cargo]

at least it always one shots snipers

[untold kestrel]

and i'd argue force sword is the better choice. void clears hordes, but handles single target elites poorly. fs special takes them out quickly so you can get back to bowling

[flint sky]

A stiff breeze one shots snipers

[velvet trail]

MkIV's dodge is definitely shorter, but giving up the cleave for the distance isn't worth it to me

[teal cargo]

😔

[velvet trail]

MKIV can single target and cleave, MKV is pretty much solely single target (albeit higher damage on the heavies)

[teal cargo]

Yea Mkv heavies pretty nice

[worthy wasp]

Surge is peril hungry af and is weak vs hordes.

Antax MkV dunks on hordes/elites and quells passively while doing so and you can swap to Surge as necessary because you will always have the peril needed to CC crucial targets

[teal cargo]

Really Antax good vs hordes?

🤔

[gilded hatch]

correction: Surge staf is weak against mixed hordes. Hordes with specials/elite included

[velvet trail]

I like that MKIV's thrusts are easier. toaim at whatever target you want too. Like for example, the MKV heavy sometimes gets caught on a mutants shoulder that goes above their head. Not a problem with MKIV thrusts

[gilded hatch]

Perhaps great surge psykers can manage to stun specials elites over low value enemies

[hearty burrow]

Try block attack

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword takes peril to kill elites efficiently, it isnt a particularly safe attack to pull off, and even if you disagree you still have to manually quell peril whereas Antax/Dueling sword dont which leads to less uptime on staff attacks

[gilded hatch]

block attack with combat axe with cleave and peril block talent (level 25) is really great

[teal cargo]

Yea passive quell on FS pretty annoying

[untold kestrel]

fair. i'll agree to disagree just from my experience with still not having an issue with peril management. but it seems like most others agree with you, so kudos

[worthy wasp]

Ye push attack is the way w/ mkv antax

[teal cargo]

i like jus swapping to melee and hetting fast quelling

But FS got that nice Deflector

[velvet trail]

Antax axe can also get the brutal momentum or whatever its called blessing.

Then you just cleave with anything

[gilded hatch]

on higher tiers like T5, you attack more often. On malice T3, your peril management dont need much attention

[untold kestrel]

if that was to me i play heresy+. pug heresy, premade for damnation

i'll only do lowers to knock out weeklies fast

[bright cipher]

open shop
No good staves
No axe
No force sword
No good dueling sword
Hp and xp curios
Yep, it's Psyker time

[teal cargo]

too bad does not look like can block overheads

[flint sky]

Just know your staffs casting max peril and you now have 0 peril management issues

[sleek herald]

and then you Psyked all over a Peddler

[bright cipher]

All my staves go up to 100%

Yours don't?

[untold kestrel]

void with quell on weakspot is quite helpful as well

[flint sky]

Na some bad resist staffers because of my terminally bad luck

[gilded hatch]

oke. you are good at peril management then. Since i have replaced my force sword to combat axe with cleave and peril block, i overheat way less frequent

[gilded hatch]

i wish my void has that blessing 😦

[bright cipher]

Honestly ever since I switched to the resist stacks talent and got a near 80% resist surge staff there's never really a situation where I'd have to go to 100% or anywhere near

Cuz there's something else I could be doing that's better

[untold kestrel]

yeah no worries. i'm still interested in hearing others theorycraft even if their experiences are different than mine

[sleek herald]

you were talking?

[bright cipher]

The goated blessing

[untold kestrel]

now if someone simply said. FS sucks because of low mobility i couldnt agree further

[velvet trail]

perfect 😄

[untold kestrel]

i feel so slow lol

[velvet trail]

Funny that that axe has no stats in cleave targets but you have that blessing so it doesnt matter anyways

[sleek herald]

limbsplitter kinda ass, but oh well

[velvet trail]

I man, it does, but so do all the axe users 😄

[sleek herald]

don't need abysmal damage on horde and will help with special boys

[worthy wasp]

Bro wtf limbsplitter is 11/10 on that fkn axe

[velvet trail]

but thats why i like the dueling swords

[worthy wasp]

What the fuck that axe is legit

[untold kestrel]

im trying man, but i just dont lol.

axe feels fine but duelling swords are meh to me

[vagrant fractal]

i think limb splitter can work esp with a surge staff

[worthy wasp]

Limb Splitter is insane on Antax MkV

[vagrant fractal]

stun a bunch of dudes and pick the beefy one

[worthy wasp]

If youre spamming lights on Antax youre doing it wrong

[sleek herald]

I'm checking it with trauma staff now

[gilded hatch]

limbsplitter is not ass. Great if you single target an enemy. Could even help you to reach a break point

[worthy wasp]

Bruh

[gilded hatch]

Since you have high first target and high damage, you can break point some specials i guess. you should try it out in the psyk

[worthy wasp]

Antax MkV uses dafuq out of its push attack and situationally tosses out heavies which can be block canceled to refresh the 1st hit buff for limbsplitter

[sleek herald]

what psyk, I;m going to a mission lmao

[worthy wasp]

Limbsplitter is literally the best blessing you can get for it

[gilded hatch]

i dont know about limbspitter usefullness in general. but in specific situations it is great.

[worthy wasp]

For specifically the mkv antax

[velvet trail]

Only thing is that with limbsplitter you dont really want to use the 3rd light swing from the axe, which would have been useable with brutal momentum

[worthy wasp]

Spam the push

[velvet trail]

unlike most MKV antax

i know, thats how most of them work without brutal momentum

[vernal imp]

even without brutal momentum, it's a great weapon

[velvet trail]

No arguments there

I agree

[valid vigil]

Whats better for a level 13 Pysker a staff or a gun??

[sleek herald]

yeah, push + block attack work superb

[untold kestrel]

wait, are you guys that are having trouble with peril using surge staff?

[worthy wasp]

More like surge staff for cc -> ani cancel into not-FS melee and kill cc'd enemies -> ani cancel back to surge -> rinse repeat

[modest magnet]

We don't bust shame around here, sometimes shit is just too exciting, it happens

[valid vigil]

Also any ideas around which is these is better? Sorry It might be a stupid question

[ornate hamlet]

Sometimes you just wanna pop

[valid vigil]

I find the devil claw really good for crowd control

but i dont know if the charge ability on the blaze sword is better?

[modest magnet]

Sometimes you just gotta buuuust

[warm rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzge_j-_PME

[tranquil badge]

Force sword has the better base mods which means it will likely go higher

[ornate hamlet]

My beloved says busting is good

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh I'd highly suggest learning the Force Sword because its one of the best weapons for the class (and in the game, honestly)

And youre under 30

[tranquil badge]

But i wouldn’t consecrate either and just hold for something with base mods of 300 at least before you look to consecrate

[worthy wasp]

So youre likely doing t1-3 stuff

And t1-3 stuff is best place to learn

[valid vigil]

Yer doing t3 atm

[sullen tusk]

this

I mean with Deflector trait and Kintetic Deflection Talent you can block pretty well but

[worthy wasp]

The blocking really is most useful in clutch revive situations

[sullen tusk]

I dont think the Special Attack and blocking potential outweighs a Dueling Sword Mk5 pure mobility

[worthy wasp]

Outside of that... just have good positioning

[modest magnet]

Idk bro have you tried simply not getting hit

[sleek herald]

does the attack after push count as 1st or 2nd in chain?

[sullen tusk]

@worthy wasp As long as there are no ranged enemies, Dueling Sword with Kinetic Deflection allows you to get off some sick rezzes also

[worthy wasp]

1st

[untold kestrel]

no ranged enemies?

is that a thing?

[ornate hamlet]

Just close your eyes

[ebon jolt]

Can wait for re-blessing to get deflector on my force sword:

[sullen tusk]

@untold kestrel hahah sometimes I will literally gather up melee mobs before I rez, to screen me from enemy lasgunners

[worthy wasp]

Thing is force sword cant block AND be offensive at the same time

[dusk pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/slowly-turning-head-turning-head-turning-smiling-creepy-smile-gif-21719156

That's a nice sword

[modest magnet]

Them stats🙂
Them blessings 😷

[sleek herald]

yeah ok, you were right, limbsplitter slaps on this weapon

[sullen tusk]

because poxwalkers cant break your guard with Kinetic Deflection + Stamina and block efficiency

[dusk pilot]

But yeah, reblessings can't come soon enough

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-minecraft-steve-bruh-jojo-nani-gif-24882944

what you cant swing?

lol

[modest magnet]

Skill issue

[dusk pilot]

Block push and then swing

[sullen tusk]

holy shit 375 base stats

sick

[dusk pilot]

That's essentially being both offensive and defensive at the same time

[worthy wasp]

Ye you lucked into a nutty af weapon. Gratz lol

[sage yacht]

Should I switch to the blue even though the modifiers are worse? Obviously the blessing is good it's just real bad mobility, though I'm doing the peril blocking so I guess dodging isn't as important

[sleek herald]

yeah, easiest horde and specials killing I've had for a while

[ebon jolt]

Is it bad that I wish finesse was also 80%?

[candid hawk]

mine rolled pretty bad on the second blessing though D:

[lethal plover]

The default push attack of axe kills both zombies and ragers/maulers.
And that's just nuts.

[dusk pilot]

no, but it's such an ever so slight imperfection on what is overwise a god roll stats wise

[worthy wasp]

Bruh the one on the left is an absolute god tier upgrade

[sullen tusk]

haha yep

[dusk pilot]

At least when it comes to blessings we don't have to worry so much

We just gotta worry about stats and perks

[worthy wasp]

The one on the right is hot garbage

[untold kestrel]

at the very least keep the blue to steal the blessing from later

[sullen tusk]

still good perks on it

[lethal plover]

man we're memeing so hard right now with axe psyker frontliner that I fear we will be nerfed

[sullen tusk]

I just want +20% flak armor and +20% unarmored on a melee weapon, is that so much to ask? 😄

[sage yacht]

do all the rank 5 missions you can before they nerf it

[dusk pilot]

If axe get's nerfed just use force sword

🤷‍♀️

[sage yacht]

I did just get my force sword with deflector so I'll have that to fall back on

I know the beta had an inventory limit, has anyone found one so far since it's gone live

It used to prevent you getting rewards from missions if an item dropped

[untold kestrel]

would you reroll any of these?

[candid hawk]

got lucky with these perks too, just shitty blessing again.

[dusk pilot]

nope, those are easy

just do missions with scriptures in them

[sage yacht]

Those are real easy

[sullen tusk]

Gross, hope that's still not the case. My inventory is getting rather large atm

[untold kestrel]

i feel like this is my favorite setup

[dusk pilot]

and you'll get it all done

[lethal plover]

This is like the days when guts greatsword in Elden Ring was the best pvp weapon with instant crouch stab and they had to nerf it. Fun times.

[sage yacht]

It was pretty small in beta, like a limit of 10 iirc so I definitely am over that so far

[sullen tusk]

good to know

[sage yacht]

I'm just assuming we can eventually eat these for crafting mats so I'm trying to not sell them

[sullen tusk]

haha run n gun. yeah RIP. good perks though yeah

[lethal plover]

Reminder to spam left click with staff for suppression. Crucial in damnation

Silencing them shooters

[sullen tusk]

Talking about just the tiny force bolt @lethal plover ? i usually am spamming fast right click charges with voidstaff at anything that moves in 4 or 5. Does the left click actually do much?

[lethal plover]

Suppression. And killing single targets

[sullen tusk]

Rocking this atm

[cyan echo]

left click is a good finisher

[lethal plover]

I literally always left click first

To suppress, then charge

[sullen tusk]

Interesting, il give it a shot

[warm carbon]

Hello Psykers, keeping sane?

[sullen tusk]

Im Buzzing... Buzzing...

[warm carbon]

At least this chat isn't corrupted by Slaanesh like Zealot and Vets

Good enough

[worthy wasp]

Jeez

[modest magnet]

Almost time to let the ẅ̵͙̜a̶̜̜r̴̢̨p̵̛͍ ̸͚͎F̷̨̺L̴̢͇O̸̢͕W̸̧̗ through me, don't come to school tomorrow

[sullen tusk]

I feel the warp overtaking me. It is a good pain

[sullen tusk]

Yeah it's pretty decent. Not sure what I should even be targetting yet for blessings/perks on it.

[lethal plover]

Why are psykers treated like shit when the emperor is one

[unkempt juniper]

How could the holy God emperor of mankind's most fervent servants fall so low? We must purge the unclean taint in such a hallowed place

[tropic halo]

because people are assholes in the 40k universe

[warm carbon]

What are you talking about? He's a god silly spark head man.

[spice oar]

When do you think we will get a weapon update siblings?

[unkempt juniper]

Because psykers tend to explode into an entire army of demons if they lose control, not into a tiny explosion like in darktide

[velvet trail]

Do blessing go from lvl 0 to 5 or 0 to 4?

[winged lagoon]

My friend said I was the first based psyker he ever played with because I use chainsword and electro staff

This is my only contribution to this chatroom so far LMAO

[scenic hemlock]

yea but they probably don't get helped up by an Ogryn shortly after via a few pats on the back

[sullen tusk]

Yeah cognitive dissonance in the 41st millenium. I wonder how many people know the emperor actually is a psyker, or if he's presented as just a god by the Ecclesiarchy

[unkempt juniper]

Your friend is cringe, voidstrike is better

[winged lagoon]

Ehhh

[obtuse bough]

Sorry my dagger and Voidstick is far more based. 🤣

[winged lagoon]

I feel like enemies swarmed me more often

[modest magnet]

I've never seen a bad psyker because I'm the only psyker I've ever seen /s

[winged lagoon]

I just feel better with a chain sword for psyker. Optimization be damned I'll go and charge that Ogryn with concrete and rebar ANYDAY

[candid hawk]

dats me

[unkempt juniper]

... because they are dead.
Really, untrained psykers are such a huge liability that when the emperor first decreed that they all had to be forcibly collected and trained/handled almost nobody complained

[sullen tusk]

Voidstaff is just the most fun. I think most people agree right? Lol. Im willing to concede Surge may be "better" depending on team, but it's just more mindless

[teal cargo]

Cos Imperium are baddies too

[worthy wasp]

Def feel like chain sword is solid.

Its like force sword... but you trade deflector for passive quelling

[scenic hemlock]

the joke 🤯

[winged lagoon]

Force sword is too weird for me lol

Sure it does MASSIVE damage

But Chainsword just feels more fluid

And of course doesn't give me stress when it comes to my warp meter

[frigid marten]

Ogryn sho sho bad demon trying to posses sparky head

[sullen tusk]

nice, i also got the rebreather. Thought it was the coolest looking

[winged lagoon]

I can do massive damage with mind crushes and Smite Staff

[worthy wasp]

Ye chain sword is def a solid pick

[lethal plover]

I see nothing wrong with mistreating people who can fuck your planet up. Nothing wrong.

[teal cargo]

Chain sword do seem.underrated

[modest magnet]

See I feel the opposite, the single target centered moveset of FS feels homely to me as a former dual dagger handmaiden main

[tropic halo]

we may have been sleeping on the chainsword some since ive seen a few others mention it in a good light

time to experiment

[modest magnet]

Just click heads bro it's easy

[worthy wasp]

If you like chain sword tho you may also like the mk7 catachan sword

[winged lagoon]

N o

[unkempt juniper]

I feel the opposite way, force swords special is faster, stuns immediately rather than from the 2nd dmg tick, does more dmg, pens armor more, it still has a cleave combo, and ofc it has deflector available and the best push in the game

[winged lagoon]

I use it for the revving ability

[worthy wasp]

Ahh

Then nvm

[winged lagoon]

It's useful man

[sullen tusk]

Sword and Dagger handmaiden player here... DT has been an "adjustment" lol

[bright cipher]

whats a good base rating for curios?

[teal cargo]

FS is really good too

[winged lagoon]

As I said prior: Optimization be damned

[unkempt juniper]

The only think chainsword is better than fs at is cleave imo

[teal cargo]

Yea well the special doesnt takr peril

[unkempt juniper]

Fair enough if you like it use it

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh there arent many melees I'd consider bad for psyker

[teal cargo]

and you get a faster passive quell

[modest magnet]

Who needs cleave when you have an Adderall prescription 🤔

[tropic halo]

fr

[worthy wasp]

I really hope the next Psyker class is melee focused

That said, this works

Peril -> block talent is amazing

As is Peril -> toughness

[teal cargo]

Yea so nice for reviving

[modest magnet]

Psyker greatsword when

[teal cargo]

Psyker Power Sword when

[unkempt juniper]

Anybody know what tactical axes are supposed to be good for? I can't really figure it out, they seem all around the worst melee class

[bright cipher]

WHAT IS A GOOD BASE RATING FOR A CURIO?

[tropic halo]

psyker power fist WHEN

[scenic hemlock]

would you take a god rolled chainsword or a low rolled force sword with block

[modest magnet]

95 blue

[bright cipher]

THANK YOU

[teal cargo]

Axe got great cleave apparently on push attack

[worthy wasp]

Great for zealots, bad for Psykers

Tactical Axes got crit

[brave token]

this purge stats are so low not? not buggeD?

[frigid marten]

Low level

[worthy wasp]

Whereas Psykers prefers the raw power of the combat axe and is able to utilize the amazing push attack far better than any class in the game

[bright cipher]

bruh dont worry about stats until lvl 30

[brave token]

ok but my another stat has 100+ and 200+ stat

thus nit

this not

[unkempt juniper]

You'll start rolling the really high stat weps when you are lvl30

[brave token]

my question was bugged or not? or it is random?

[unkempt juniper]

It's random

[fallow meadow]

Oh you mean the damage?

[brave token]

ye

[fallow meadow]

purge are low on raw damage

[sullen tusk]

I have my fingers crossed for Biomancer for sure

[brave token]

it is not low it is shit

[sinful stream]

Just did my first heresy run at level 30... man headpopping feels bad. All the satisfaction is gone, can't kill most specials in one hit.

[untold kestrel]

yup

embrace the staff

[fallow meadow]

They work like flame thrower. Effect a large area, apply DoT stack.

[sullen tusk]

On 4 and 5 headpopping becomes... niche, shall we say

[fast slate]

is knetic overload worth it?

[fallow meadow]

Just go to meat grinder and try it out

[teal cargo]

yea Bb is real bad on Heresy

[sinful stream]

The time to activate the pop should be sped up in high difficulty if the damage is gonna remain so low

This is sad...

[scenic hemlock]

was surprised to not see a pinned build guide

[teal cargo]

2 pops for a hound is big feels bad

[warm spindle]

Only for warp charge or emergency kills tbh

[floral palm]

Ive found Psyker best fits taking Stun staff and running as a Specialist Chain Stunner while your Vet actually does the killing

good success at heresy

[teal cargo]

Yea i like the surge staff for that too

[sinful stream]

Makes the "kill an elite/special and nearby enemies get soul blaze stacks" feat really sad I barely got to activate it

[teal cargo]

Just stun specials/elite

and let your team go to town

[sharp oasis]

i hate how the "glass cannon" class is specialized in dealing with stunning crowds and elites...

[sinful stream]

I just don't like that my playstyle/build has to change dramatically to do higher difficulty compared to veteran where I just needed to increase my skill/positioning

[floral palm]

Didnt think going into it that Psyk would be the support class but im not complaining xD

[sullen tusk]

Brain Burst uses on Difficulty 4 and 5:

1. If for some reason your veteran(s) havent annihilated the enemy sniper that's far away, you can spam brain burst and hopefully get a lock on it if the ray tracing algorithm works
2. You can kill a trapper or bomber with it if someone else hasn't already done it.
3. You can hit a bulwark to "open them up" so they drop their gaurd so your teammates can kill it
4. You can contribute to killing a Crusher
5. If you have no better options you can spam monstrosities with it

That's about it, if im missing anything. I guess Dreg Gunners / Shotgunners still die in 1 hit but, they are usually cleaned up

[teal cargo]

and then you can do nice revives with your giant block

[teal cargo]

glass cannon class also super tanky with peril block

basically squishy IB lol

[sharp oasis]

kinetic deflection?

[teal cargo]

yea

[sullen tusk]

Yeah if im Last Man Standing and using the BB == Toughness feat, il do it on gunner and stuff while clearing.

[sharp oasis]

huh.... i always find my spyker stupidly squishy.

[floral palm]

You auto block while ressing right?

[teal cargo]

you die pretty fast if get hit but if you hold block you can tank like forever

[mint burrow]

Should I get it for the meme?

[pure rapids]

yes

[sharp oasis]

you have to hold the block i think.

[pure rapids]

it's automatic but doesn't block shots

[cyan notch]

no its auto block

[floral palm]

I might swap to that then, the no movement penalty on quelling was super nice tho ;w;

[sharp oasis]

i shee

[teal cargo]

With non FS you quell faster than incoming hits

so you just block forever vs hordes

[cunning osprey]

I built a habit of swapping to my staff every time I quelled prior to hitting that feat level, and you hardly notice it's loss

[warm spindle]

Movement speed quell kinda mid compared to 33% toughness or kinetic deflect

[sullen tusk]

It's so crappy too because that was something Psykers could really help with due to dogs being hyper spazzes for veterans to shoot. It doesn't even one shot Poxbursters either which is extra annoying as well

[magic gull]

does " +% ranged damage against xxx" perks works on force staff's secondary fire? or its just the M1 bolt only

[teal cargo]

doesnt one shot pox bursters wtf

[warm spindle]

Both

Tested it actually

[magic gull]

ty ty

[past patio]

this is one reason I use surge

[violet pollen]

For the emperor!!! Lags out

[sullen tusk]

Get it for the speeeeeeeed 😛

[warm spindle]

Surge stunning pox is one of the (many) reasons why surge is the only option

[teal cargo]

But yea apparently you just take combat axe, spam push attack for horde and zap specials with staff

[sullen tusk]

Yep takes 2 on 4+ diff

[past patio]

surge + force sword alt usually

[teal cargo]

Surge also zaps gunners good

behind cover too

and kills the armored shooters fast

[velvet trail]

feels bad when the pox is running through a horde and your staff just doesnt hit it though

[violet pollen]

Flame staff

Light everything on fire

[sullen tusk]

Voidstaff charge attack can knockback dogs / poxbursters at least. Obviously not as seemless or efficient as surge

[teal cargo]

Yea voids best at dealing dmg

but i find thas prob better left to other classes

[sullen tusk]

Void has awesome suppression to FWIW

[violet pollen]

I like the ability of the flame because I'm often cover 180° and staggering things

Fan the flame over a downed teammate for ez stagger then revive

[teal cargo]

smart

[past patio]

I do that with surge too, or ability

[teal cargo]

I like Purg too

[violet pollen]

It's what I do to help rez or when fixing stuff

[velvet trail]

Purg's left click is a 15meter long push attack

[teal cargo]

only Trauma feels real bad staff

[violet pollen]

Keep putting flame on team,so they're not interrupted

[sullen tusk]

hoo boy, Trauma Staff 😬

[violet pollen]

Needs bigger aoe

[hasty ether]

Poor trauma staff. Truly the only useless one

[teal cargo]

half the time it just knocks enemies behind team so hit you in the back

[velvet trail]

It needs to have damage spread better throughout the AoE

only the stuff near the middle takes any sort of damage

[past patio]

trauma staff was the only staff I saw in first beta and almost made me quit psyker

[violet pollen]

I think the whole circle should be max dmg since it's already small

[night marten]

[velvet trail]

ready for the buff patch

[violet pollen]

Update when?

[sullen tusk]

hold onto that for a hopeful buff, yeah. im doing the same with some Traumas

[violet pollen]

I want crafting to be fully unlocked

[jovial frigate]

[violet pollen]

I want a warp sword with deflector and soul blaze perk

[velvet trail]

was soul blaze the soulfire on crit perk?

[violet pollen]

I think

[velvet trail]

it seems kind of...minimal impact

[violet pollen]

I mostly want it for stacks chance

[digital pagoda]

Psyker can't stack melee crit chance to make it impactful

[violet pollen]

Warp charge stack 10% on kill via soul blaze dot

[candid temple]

Yes

[thorn sphinx]

but soul blaze will never kill

[jovial frigate]

maybe if soulblaze did something more than suck weewees i'd try harder to get it on a force sword

[thorn sphinx]

to get warp charge you actually need the soulblaze dot to kill

[violet pollen]

Ye,which happens when clearing trash

[candid temple]

I'd rather have 4% quell on weak spot hit

[thorn sphinx]

not kill an enemy with your weapon that has a soulblaze dot

[velvet trail]

chances are whatever is in melee range is going to die to your melee, not the soulblaze

[past patio]

thoughts?

[twilit comet]

I feel like Force Sword with Deflector + Slaughter is the best. slaughter is awesome on horde clear

[teal cargo]

I heard soulblaze good for purg?

[velvet trail]

I'd prefer deflector and exorcist

[violet pollen]

That quell on weak spot is nice

[velvet trail]

soul blaze is good for purg, we're talking about the blessing on FS that gives soulblaze

[candid temple]

No deflect and low warp resist, but otherwise great.

[twilit comet]

I feel like when I switch to force sword I want to keep my peril high for the 15% damage - don't want to quell too quickly

[violet pollen]

Deflector is dope,I don't usually block but if I need to push some ranged boys I'd be nice

[velvet trail]

what is the maximum deflector can go up to, 15% reduction?

[candid temple]

Supposedly.

I've only seen 3% thus far tho.

But maybe with the blessing upgrading thing 15 is possible.

[velvet trail]

15 + 30% from curios + 15 from perk, so 60 max huh

[candid temple]

I've been buying up all with deflector for that.

[spare coyote]

anyone know the best way to get the going out with a bang penance done ? im always just short of one or team doesnt listen and kills them before i can blow up

[thorn sphinx]

What are ur thoughts on force sword special, I think it is good in lower difficulties, but when you get higher, even against something like 2-3 ragers it is useless, you are stuck in the animation while the other 2 kill you. And it is especially hard to use against a rager/mauler/whatever elite that is around trash mobs. Any tips?

[candid temple]

Push then murder.

[twilit comet]

Use a push-attack first to knock enemies over

[thorn sphinx]

hmmm

[twilit comet]

Obviously diving into a horde of ragers first isn't good

[candid temple]

Also you can cancel part of the animation with block

[twilit comet]

But the push will knock them over

[knotty fjord]

Flg chat and someone Will surely help

[twilit comet]

If you see them coming in a managable group (2-3) use your staff to knock the group over and then special one down

[velvet trail]

Shouldn't really be priority though. You can just keep blasting them with your staff too

[idle bay]

Siblings i'm need of your collective wisdom!
There are two Atrox axes on sale - which one to grab?

[echo parrot]

Id take the second

[night marten]

not sure you should buy either with weekly coins right?

[knotty fjord]

Second

[teal cargo]

good for bosses

[night marten]

base stats seem too low

[echo parrot]

Perks are meh but you have higher base stats, and both have the same bleddings

[runic gate]

Get mk V

[idle bay]

Yup weekly coins.

[night marten]

ah there's no way I would drop 2k+ coins on a sub 350 base stats wep, happy to hear other opinions though

[idle bay]

Noted. Thanks ! I'll wait for mk V

[runic gate]

You’re gonna love the way you look

[idle bay]

And Achiless MK VIII ?

[echo parrot]

SOmebody say Mk V?

[candid temple]

Damn.

[past patio]

Also check RNG store for high base weapons you can upgrade - no coins required

[candid temple]

Perks a bit of a loss, but those base stats...

Force axe when tho.

[night marten]

so much easier to run a few missions for the mats needed to turn a high-stat gray (or anything really) into a yellow

[runic gate]

Antax Mk V

[echo parrot]

Sad part is that I bought it just to have it. Ive been spoiled too much by knief.

[idle bay]

will this one do ? 380 on stats

[echo parrot]

Buy it

Now

Right now

[night marten]

yea that's much better than the other two you linked

[idle bay]

I already have it 🙂

[night marten]

just pump it to yellow

[echo parrot]

380 is like, the highest you can get

Pump it

Godroll

[teal cargo]

👀

rng blessed

[idle bay]

For the Emprah i will pump it to orange!

Since it was a gift from the Emprah!

[runic gate]

That’s what you want. Test it in damnation test range. You will 1 shot everything unarmoed. 2-4 shot elities

You shouldn’t be using it in armored, use bb or staff on armored

[teal cargo]

meanwhile I see no staffs cept Trauma, axes, mk5 dueling or FS 😭

[runic gate]

Report back with your findings @idle bay

[teal cargo]

I thought mk5 good vs armored?

[night marten]

picked this up yesterday

[echo parrot]

I keep showing this but this time it is for a question. What perks/blessings do you think would be better than what I have?

[teal cargo]

says armour piercing right there

[grand bolt]

Why do so many of my siblings spend sooo much time using BB?

it feels like outside of specific use cases (snagging specials for the team) you lose more dps spending 1/5th of your time using BB than just... shooting staff shots or cutting things up

[runic gate]

It’s ok, but damnation is built diff

[teal cargo]

💀

[past patio]

because stupid penance

[runic gate]

You won’t catch me meleeing bulwarks or crushers in damnation

[teal cargo]

sometimes theres some shooters far away and your vets cant hit them to save their life

[tropic halo]

I use more BB in heresy than in malice surprisingly

[grand bolt]

get a group, make one mission where that's your goal

[teal cargo]

So gotta just pull out hands

[grand bolt]

shoot them back with your staff with headshots is more dps than BBing them one at a time (unless there's a special like gunner involved)

[tropic halo]

yeah okay or we can just bb them since there's a horde and we dont need perfect aim

[teal cargo]

and you got Purg staff

[runic gate]

It’s a team game, often your bb will do 50-80% dmg on damnation, you might not get credit for the kill but everyone should be on elites

[tropic halo]

it doesnt take THAT long, especially with the bb boost from special

[runic gate]

This. Slap F and bb away

[grand bolt]

but you're losing SO much time doing the BB, and again i'm not referencing specials, or doing a run for your penance

[past patio]

bb is still good for snipers and gunners or anything out of range

[teal cargo]

Someyimes you got purg staff and no pther way to clear far away shooters

[grand bolt]

yeah purg staff is fair

which is what I have been using lately

but like, at that point join the melee and let other people handle it who are better at it

by freeing up their spot

[teal cargo]

yea

oh well

[flint plover]

Worth swapping over and upgrading? I don't know how big of a difference the 2m on the blessing makes.

[grand bolt]

use the blue for now, keep the purple for when you can rip the blessing out

[velvet trail]

does that blessing actuaally work on non shooters?

[flint plover]

are there other blessings preferred on surge?

[velvet trail]

i have it on a purg staff but dont feel like ive ever noticed its effect

[night marten]

absolutely worth swapping imo

the stat difference is huge

[echo parrot]

Literally every stat is an upgrade over the prev

[jovial frigate]

more damage + quell speed gonna help more than 2m of supress

[tropic halo]

ugh these past few heresy runs have gone so awful

had one ogryn who ltierally rushed forward and igmored an entkire booss

[flint plover]

is warp flurry better than terrifying barrage?

[ornate hamlet]

Does the combat blade (dagger) have an innate bleed?

[night marten]

dont remember details, post?

[ornate hamlet]

Warp flurry means secondary casts in succession take less and less time

Barrage means close range kill causes suppression in radius

[night marten]

ah that's right. barrage is probably better, you're not doing a lot of charging with surge

[humble crater]

Gotta bumrush those penances. Sorry that happened to you. I crashed out five times in the last hour. 1.0.13 has really caused alot of issues.

[sweet lynx]

Hey HP stackers. Is there any value in toughness regeneration speed?

[tiny fossil]

how do the staffs rank? is one objectively the best?

[olive ember]

Surge and voidstrike meta, purge is a close third, trauma is a meme

[night marten]

think the jury is still out. some prefer HP, or others prefer toughness total or regen speed

[hybrid thicket]

toughness regen speed isnt too great

[trail tapir]

emperor's gift

[hybrid thicket]

especially when paired with quietude or something not the best

[night marten]

I think all staffs other than trauma are equally useful at high difficulties, just perform best in different situations

[hybrid thicket]

yeah its a good staff

[trail tapir]

in short
trauma = not
voidstrike = versatile
surge = cc
purgatus = horde

[sharp heart]

Gunpsyker is the best Psyker

[tiny fossil]

kk cool ty guys, just got a void staff so am gonna try it out

[runic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/go-leave-me-alone-golden-girls-you-have-to-go-now-rose-gif-22287138

[tiny fossil]

also are axes any good, i havent rly enjoyed using them as they dont feel super impactful but could be using them wrong

[hybrid thicket]

someone posted the other day, i agree with them. goes Purge=Surge>void>trauma

best to worst

[hybrid thicket]

combat axe single target dmg is like 230, theyre pretty good

[olive ember]

Antax V with brutal momentum and that’s about it

[sullen tusk]

A lot of it is breakpoints

[hybrid thicket]

get a good amount of cleave and youll hit 2-3 extra targets

[sullen tusk]

Can you oneshot, headshot a flak armored dude with a headshot on diff 4 or 5

[trail tapir]

yeah, kind of, with the caveat that neither purge nor surge can really compete with the voidstrike when your team sucks and you need to work all of close range, long range, horde and specials yourself

[frozen cloud]

I've been using the trauma staff for a bit, its actually nice, just that its not as a fast as void strike

[olive ember]

the damage /cc effect of the trauma just isn't worth the peril cost

[fallow meadow]

I would like to ask why Antax V but not the other axe?
Most of the axe seems to have similar motion.

[olive ember]

when you have the voidstrike, purge or surge

[trail tapir]

the effect is passable but the peril and charge speed are just awful

[hybrid thicket]

Purge is slighty better than void because the light attack can also stun MOST specials and Elites, as well as deal dot

[olive ember]

its moveset is the best, namely its light combo are all sideway swings iirc

[frozen cloud]

yeah thats the problem, you can hit more with void faster than trauma

[olive ember]

its got zero range though which is why alot of people think voidstrike is better

[frozen cloud]

if that cc was faster or just immediate and the charge controlled the power like the others, itd be better

[teal needle]

Surge = void > purg >>>>> trauma. Although for fun void > surge = purge >>>> trauma

[fallow meadow]

Thx

[hybrid thicket]

your range tool is your BB

[night marten]

I respectfully disagree

[frozen cloud]

but I'm having fun just trying out different weapons and feats to see what i like for fun and what i like for being efficient

[olive ember]

rly depends on who you ask, but all 3 staffs are viable (not trauma)

well even trauma is... viable but why would you use it over any of the other staffs

[teal needle]

The only caveat with purg is that on open maps if you don't have a veteran to babysit you you're gonna have a shitty time

[fallow meadow]

Surge is unique that it can stun everything beside of the bosses.

[south monolith]

Staff choice and the perks on it depend on what melee you are taking. Assuming you want to cover most of the enemy spectrum.

[trail tapir]

that's where a deflector can be very helpful tbh

[hybrid thicket]

i can agree with that

[olive ember]

I mean my friend runs a zealot with flamer so I end up using not the purge staff

[night marten]

*or a deflection FS, without good positioning

[hybrid thicket]

yeah, thats what im running rn with purg lol

[night marten]

same, great combo

[velvet trail]

purge's range is deceptively okay actually. 15 meters is good enough for midrange combat

[teal needle]

I still haven't had a deflecting force sword show up in the shop

[hybrid thicket]

i see u have the T3 helm, is that the last tier

[night marten]

just means you really have to leverage the side areas of map for flanking, unless your team is clearing down mid

[olive ember]

whne I buy trauma cuz its got the transfer peril E

[long wharf]

discard that

[hybrid thicket]

yeah i wouldnt buy

[olive ember]

its mainly to save for when I get the transfer trait thingy

unless it doesn't work between different staves at which point

rip 20k gold oh well I have 200k more

[velvet trail]

Little did we know, enemies have hidden weakspots under their feet, so one day that staff will be OP /s

[night marten]

current favorite loadout, they compliment each other well

[velvet trail]

run n gun is so much fun with purgatus

a little dangerous on heresy + but still

[covert fjord]

dueling sword goes hard

[jovial frigate]

if only you could flip 2bars around

[maiden wolf]

Are charge rate, warp resist, and quell speed not good or something?

[candid hawk]

we hoped you like RNG, so we put RNG stores so you can RNG roll your weapons for RNG stats and maybe through RNG get a good weapon eventually in your RNG life.

[tropic halo]

I have lost half a dozen games in a row

[night marten]

[tropic halo]

Not bad, not bad.

[vernal imp]

i FINALLY get a force sword with deflector on it and its just..

[covert fjord]

I'm currently trying out the force sword for the first time to see how it fits with my playstyle

[velvet trail]

How dare you leave that unupgraded. MKIV is the best

[candid hawk]

i think these are the most well rounded stats ive ever seen on an item lol usually one is at 50% and 4 are at 80%

[vernal imp]

that's because its near the max of 380, god luck

[night marten]

real comfortable with a decent FS+deflect for now

[candid hawk]

ive gotten a 376 with 50% in one but 80% in all the other

[night marten]

oof that damage

[velvet trail]

Do recommend giving it a shot at some point though. Never worry about quelling again while zipping around with the dueling swords faster run speed 👌

[dusky whale]

Here is your psyker rework

[velvet trail]

fits purgs up close nature really nice

[south monolith]

First target helps mitigate the lower damage, not as good as it could be but it will still kill

[flint plover]

i'm torn between the run speed and the axe's amazing cleave

[candid hawk]

i mean honestly if they just upped BB damage by like 20% maybe made it cast a bit faster, it would be much better

[olive ember]

Which axe should I use

[candid hawk]

or some sort of scaling for it

[night marten]

I'm sure you're right, but I can't understate how useful it is to block while marching down a mid lane terminator style using deflection, before dragging everything into melee range

[vernal imp]

or just un-nerf it

[night marten]

and in purge range

[velvet trail]

Yea, cleave def wont match, but if you're doing purgatus, you dont need the cleave that badly

[south monolith]

What exactly was nerfed about brainburst?

[vernal imp]

slower cast, less damage, more peril

[night marten]

peril cost for one

[plush cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[vernal imp]

compared to network test, our BB is baby burst

[south monolith]

Peril cost isn't a big deal. Still can cast at 97%.

[sinful stream]

We don't need scaling we need a "1 pop to kill human specials, elites, hounds" "2 pop to kill maulers, mutants, some ogryns" "3 pop to kill other ogryn"

[south monolith]

What damage and cast times was it before?

[brave token]

Possible to increase at level 30 purge staff charge(faster)?

[sinful stream]

No matter the difficulty.. it feels really great in malice difficulty and then pathetic in heresy

[unkempt juniper]

1 pop for all human sized enemies short of maulers, 2 for maulers, hounds, mutants, shield and gun ogryns, 3 pops for reapers.

[acoustic spade]

hmm, 352 Burn staff with 78% Burn and 80% Cloud Radius

[night marten]

it kind of is, because it's not about spamming BB, it's about being unable to switch to staff without needing to quell

[sleek herald]

why is psykers armor so bulky yet he is so squishy lol

[velvet trail]

peril cost matters if you dont intend to just spam BB, since right now, ~2 BB and you can't really use your staff anymore

[vernal imp]

cost is a BIG deal since 2 casts is all it takes to go to max

only with kinetic barrage does our BB feel "fine" and thats on a cooldown

[unkempt juniper]

plus, since the push ult only quells 50%, you can't get back to 0 fast anymore

[olive ember]

slower cast, less damage, more peril, shittier targeting, doesn't stun at start of cast but only halfway through it now and against less targets (used to stun ragers mid combo and maulers etc. iirc)

[sinful stream]

Make force sword special count as brain burst for the purpose of warp charges. And/or make warp charges go down by number not all at once

[candid hawk]

thats why IMO voidstrike staff is the best. ive had times where i BB'd to like 60% then voidstike on a horde and clear nearly all my peril

[acoustic spade]

You think the +20% Damage (Unarmoured) Works on purgatus's DoT?

[unkempt juniper]

if kinetic barrage bb was the standard time and peril cost it would be op

[night marten]

this is a tough choice, but I say the blue is better. that small cloud radius really hurts, but you're going to overload too quickly imo with weak warp res and limited quell speed. but really they're not too different power wise

[south monolith]

From a balance standpoint, its a blitz ability that is is more or less infinite and has niche uses. The other blitz abilities are niche as well but still limited.

[sinful stream]

Sorry I'm just complaining saying things people have said a million times I just wish fatshark would acknowledge the psyker balance issues

[vernal imp]

and yet veterans being able to kill bosses in 7 seconds is fine

[unkempt juniper]

ikr

[acoustic spade]

Well the Warp Res only affects the secondary peril cost by only like 1 according to ingame stats

[plush cipher]

Fat shark can’t even balance a scale at a grocery store

[night marten]

they probably will ( ) but I think everyone agrees crafting needs to be the number one priority right now for endgame retention/staying power

[unkempt juniper]

vets should not have the extra dmg to monstrosities, they should have extra dmg to ranged enemies

[candid hawk]

The psyker honestly only has an issue with its G ability

everything else is pretty good

[acoustic spade]

Like that isnt that big of a deal

[velvet trail]

buff trauma staff too while youre at it

[night marten]

would definitely recommend testing the difference and seeing how cloud radius impacts your secondary cone, and how drastically your peril situation is affected. interested to hear your feedback (as a purge staff enjoyer)

[vernal imp]

and warp charges

[sinful stream]

True, the crafting system needs finishing first. Like by the end of the week. If there was anything minor they could do I wish it was the warp charge decay

[night marten]

*and soulfire

[vernal imp]

holy shit soulblaze

more like who cares blaze

so bad

[sinful stream]

I love the blazeeeee

[vernal imp]

2 damage a sec, amazing

[velvet trail]

it does feel bad that it is completely worthless until. atleast 4 stacks

[night marten]

unironically I love listerine fire . so damn cool

[candid hawk]

I lump that in with brain burst TBH

but yes

[bright cipher]

tfw slammed a surge staff and it rolled shit

onto the next grey surge staff

surely next one will be better

[vernal imp]

yeah, shame purgatus is cool looking

[bright cipher]

fucking run and gun man

[vernal imp]

but the damage of the fire itself is the only thing that kills

[sinful stream]

Which is why warp charges should come from force sword specials, and brain bursts should reliably kill enemies in high difucluty.. so all the soul blaze talents can work.

[acoustic spade]

have that on my orange surge staff as well

[sinful stream]

And you shouldn't need to use purgatus staff to get effectiveness from the blaze talents.

[bright cipher]

who tf even sprints im perma slide dodging to avoid ranged dmg

[night marten]

I mean whatever, the stats are great anyways

[bright cipher]

yeah its gonna be my go to until the next one i slam

i got a golden Antax and a golden Surge now both with good rolls and okish blessings/perks

[south monolith]

The other classes have to pay up front to use their blitz ability and when they are out of grenades. that's it. Psyker pays later and can keep using as needed. Having to quell is the price to pay.

[bright cipher]

time to slam some curios

[olive ember]

Does run n gun apply to your charged attack or only left click

[bright cipher]

it does

but it doesnt do shit

who tf sprints

[gray island]

Seem Meh but idk what to look for in a Dueling sword

[olive ember]

Good for extraction XD

[bright cipher]

sir u can only sprint forward

this is what im working with rn

[vernal imp]

xcept brain blast does fucking nothing on heresy+, 2 or 3 BBs to do anything, whereas you could just stunlock it and everything near it for team

[night marten]

sub 350 base stats, kinda meh

[olive ember]

Yeah there’s enemies in front of you sometimes in extraction and you need to cc them rly badly ya know

That one rager

[vernal imp]

BB on 4+ is pretty much just "kill a bomber that no one can see"

[sinful stream]

Psykers pay by wasting 4 seconds of game time to maybe land a final blow on an elite if their teammates sont kill them, to then get benefits from their talents. You can't look at bb as a blitz in a vacuum

[raw otter]

casting BB over 100% without exploding is nice

[olive ember]

Sometimes you pull out BB to deal with gunners or to help deal with ogryn spam

Like when the game gives you two crushers and two bulwarks

[vernal imp]

yeah, but again its only worth with kinetic barrage, because otherwise you could just use a gun and delete them faster

and at that point just play vet

it's rough

[sinful stream]

Yeah..

[vernal imp]

BB has been of use in those situations, but its just worth far far less in 4

and malice and below, things are too squishy to even justify it

[royal granite]

other class blitzes have very clear defined purposes, ogryn is single target damage, veteran is horde clear, zealot is aoe cc, but psyker is really muddy

[sinful stream]

In malice it feels perfect, the ttk in heresy is just too long to be satisfying/effective

[south monolith]

Target better targets?

[sinful stream]

That's an incredibly shortsighted comment

[flint plover]

to be fair, if you can't see far targets you may actually be near sighted

[prisma minnow]

I love my psyker class despite its drawbacks but man are newbie psykers easily the worst to have on your team...

[royal granite]

bruh it's a computer screen, not a 3d view into an alternate world

[dusky whale]

Am i the only one that spams the mark button when we enter big area ? you can just spam the button and mark elites even if you dont see them lol

[royal granite]

i'm near sighted, it doesn't apply at all

[wide steeple]

I got malleus monstronum the other day in a random lobby by asking nicely

[south monolith]

Based on what you group isn't killing, you can fill those gaps with staff usage or BB if needed

[flint plover]

well fuck, why am i wearing these glasses then

[faint sigil]

Take that back. We don't allow that kind of talk here

[split elm]

Which one is the axe everyone is raving about?

[vernal imp]

antax mk5

[supple plume]

Hey guys i know this isn't the chat to ask this, but has anyone got a fix for me to get past the damn 4001 code issue i've been having? i haven't been able to play every since it came to gamepass

[faint sigil]

Antax m5

[wide steeple]

I got a vid of me putting it on and admiring it

[royal granite]

hell if i know, you need glasses to read? this is not a dig

[split elm]

Ah, the one I don’t have a good one of

[flint plover]

i'm just jokin mate

[split elm]

Can put it right alongside my high level void staff, force sword, mk dueling sword and dagger

[trail tapir]

Why's it so good? I really liked the tac axe on my zealot before I got the ev

[covert fjord]

i have reached peak psyker gameplay

[sinful stream]

Is that the one with the wicked headshot level horizontal sweep heavy 1?

[faint sigil]

Push attack is really good for spamming with the peril block. Someone post the video again

[vernal imp]

main issue isn't that, it's that BB uses far too much whereas you could just use your staff and melee. reason why surge is so good because its super spammy, cheap and has a fair bit of range whereas BB is only great if the veteran is asleep and the map is very open

[covert fjord]

bb?

[vernal imp]

very good attacks & push attack has great horde clear & staggers

[sinful stream]

Brain burst

[trail tapir]

Emperor be praised

[vernal imp]

antax mk5 turns into the best axe in the game with brutal momentum blessing, but even without it it's still a god tier weapon on heresy imo

[royal granite]

i just played a heresy mission with 2 grims, someone always needed the final medicae charges more than i did, so at the end of the mission i was hanging on with a max hp of 2 and fending off hordes with the peril block and push

[sinful stream]

And the fact that certain features rely on you getting final blows with brain burst.. an ability that struggles to do so on 4+

[royal granite]

best feat in the goddamn game

[stable ore]

what do yall think is more worth stacking on curios, wounds, toughness or health?

[unkempt juniper]

the psyker's Beloved is actually tzeentch larping as big E

he has a quote about dreaming of tzeentch's crystla palace and the maze

[sinful stream]

I take health over toughness on my psyker

[past patio]

I always go for toughness curious because of the regen perks

[vernal imp]

i rock 2 health and a +1 wound, the mini perks are just whatever since you'll never get lucky enough to get what you need

[royal granite]

i find health to be more useful, since melee bleeds through toughness below 100% anyway

[unkempt juniper]

i take at least 1 wound then try to split toughness and hp evenly

[sullen tusk]

Anyone know if regular Force Sword swings count as "warp attacks" for the purposes of the toughness feat? I assume no, but was just checking

[royal granite]

nope, but you get toughness from melee kills anyway

[vernal imp]

i don't think so, but that feat is insane with voidstrike

[wise pecan]

Hp does seem a bit more necessary on psyker, since their baseline is so low that grimoires alone can practically kill them

[south monolith]

There are talents to help with warp charge generation but if you don't know how many charges you need for specific break points they just add extra dps that may or may not be wasted at times.

[sullen tusk]

thanks, good to know. Was hoping i could get 15% back but obv that would be too good

[vernal imp]

• quietitude is great with FS since you can just activate it for some quick toughness

[night marten]

yea I think at least 1 wound is definitely worth it. too many times when things go to shit and it comes in clutch

[vernal imp]

i still haven't had much luck with the 30% from warp charge, + it's not really about massive toughness gains in heresy, just how fast you can proc regen to stay above 0 for ranged, or back to 100 for melee

idk what the point of that one is

[ornate hamlet]

Any chance we are getting more staves in the future?

I’d love to see some parity with vt

[south monolith]

It used to be 50% on brainburst kill. Was decent then.

[vernal imp]

quite a common saying with psyker, "was decent then" isn't it

[sullen tusk]

So Warp Absorption or Quietude? Any recommendations?

[tepid nest]

I just realized that blessing tiers are already shown on weapons.

[sullen tusk]

Ive seen arguments for both so far

[vernal imp]

quietitude for default, warp absorb if you rock voidstrike staff imo

maybe with purge as well

but im not a purge guy

[tepid nest]

The little lines on the squares = the tier

[night marten]

warp absorb essence harvest works great with purge+ascendant blaze, but yea both are definitely viable

[sullen tusk]

I do rock voidstrike so I will give warp absorb a go. This is for Diff 4 / 5 stuff

[sullen tusk]

same. not a fan of that staff

[tepid nest]

Tier 4 blessing

[night marten]

oh wait, not warp absorb. essence harvest

[vernal imp]

yeah i figured essence with ascendant is best for purge, but again it isn't procced by damage from the purge flame isnt it? just the damage over time from it

it confuses me

[sullen tusk]

So purge staff kills count as Soulblaze kills?

[night marten]

ascendant's perk, yes.

[sullen tusk]

was curious about that also

[night marten]

only when things die to the dot, not the staff's direct damage (currently. not sure whether that's intended)

[vernal imp]

oof

[royal granite]

for the folks who have gotten it, how hard was it to get the force sword blessing that lets you block ranged?

[trail tapir]

So what melee stick do you pack with a purge? Deflector FS?

[vernal imp]

i just got one and it's been 4 days, and the FS i got it on is trash

[royal granite]

oof

[vernal imp]

some peeps get tons of them

[night marten]

my loadout most of the time #psyker-class message

[royal granite]

i'm over a hundred hours in the game now and still not a single one

[night marten]

it's unfortunately rare

without crafting being fully implemented, it's really painful trying to get good ones with a specific blessing.

[trail tapir]

Yeah

[vernal imp]

or sometimes any

[trail tapir]

Sucks that the crafting isn't on yet

[night marten]

yea. they know, it's a priority

[ornate hamlet]

I kinda want to see what they feel is missing from the game

It feels like ogryn and psyker are missing weapons

I dunno. I kinda expected to have a bit more staff variety then the game has now, and the melee weapons seem lacking

[long wharf]

they should take away a number of the guns from the psyker

the ranged weapon pool is stupidly large for the psyker

[ornate hamlet]

I mean where is my beam staff

[velvet trail]

please take away every variant of the headhunter autogun. i dont want any

[ornate hamlet]

We don’t really have an elite killer staff currently

[stable ore]

speaking of guns, just got this from emps gift

lol

[long wharf]

coming in a $20 DLC

and it'll release at the same time as $30 of cosmetics

[next aurora]

anybody knows what "rending" is ?

[vernal imp]

armour debuff i think

it destroys crushers

[wet gust]

That is my guess too looking at the icon

[ornate hamlet]

Yah I hope not. I’m like 120 hours in actively running damnation and think I might have tapped out on things to reasonably do. I don’t need better gear if I can just play the hardest difficulty already

[abstract shell]

Lol it’s over $10 for an outfit and 2 weapon skins

Cosmetics are hella overpriced

But I’m pretty sure they’re overhauling the cosmetic shop

[ornate hamlet]

I don’t care what they price anything at TBH

I just want a roadmap

And a clear understanding of what they will be working on in the near future so I can decide how much more time in invest in the game

[abstract shell]

I do, because I want my character to look cool. But I also want to be able to buy cool cosmetics without spending real money. I liked that about VT2

[ornate hamlet]

I’d rather have them let me earn them from doing really hard content

So I can flex

[abstract shell]

Sad that we need a roadmap for a game that’s already in full release

I wish I could craft stuff

[night marten]

( I think the penance gear looks almost too good, it's probably going to detract from cash shop cosmetic sales )

[ornate hamlet]

It’s a live service game. It’s reasonable to have a roadmap

[night marten]

shhh..

[wide steeple]

If a ranged weapon says + x% melee crit chance does that apply to only that weapon or also the melee weapon?

[south monolith]

Rending reduces the amount armor affects an attack for you. It stacks with brittleness. which affects damage from all players.

[ornate hamlet]

My malleus armor ain’t coming off ever

It looks too good

[abstract shell]

For dlc and content updates, but for basic mechanics that were promised on release… well…

[unkempt juniper]

so rending is a buff to you and brittleness is a debuff to the enemy?

[ornate hamlet]

Yah I mean I am not happy about itemization or crafting

[abstract shell]

Yeah

[ornate hamlet]

But tbh, crafting only will make the game easier

[abstract shell]

The shop sucks tbh

[ornate hamlet]

And I already kinda am doing the hardest shit so

Not sure I even care about crafting

[unkempt juniper]

i should be able to spend some of my 400k thrones on resetting the shop ffs

[ornate hamlet]

I would however love more play style variety

[south monolith]

Yes, rending is for your weapon and brittleness is on the target.

[ornate hamlet]

Since surge staff is really the only viable option for damnation

[abstract shell]

The shop is the only consistent way to get weapons though, which kinda sucks

[unkempt juniper]

objectively false

[ornate hamlet]

And we don’t have a staff that kills elite mobs

[unkempt juniper]

you simply can't aim well enough to use voidstrike

[abstract shell]

Are there only 12 levels right now?

[ornate hamlet]

I can, it’s just not as good of an option

[south monolith]

Rending makes less of a difference if an attack isn't as affected by armor.

[unkempt juniper]

more damage is always a good option

[ornate hamlet]

Sorry the stun lock on surge is more valuable to a group

More damage to horses

[unkempt juniper]

i do not trust randoms in damnation

[ornate hamlet]

Hordes

[abstract shell]

What is the best staff right now

[unkempt juniper]

lmfao

opinion discarded

surge does good horde dmg?

have you even played with voidstrike?

[ornate hamlet]

No I’m talking about void

[unkempt juniper]

lol

[ornate hamlet]

I literally said void is for hordes

[unkempt juniper]

without mentioning voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe you’re too stoned

All I’m saying is surge is better for damnation

And you’re butthurt about it

[unkempt juniper]

im stunned you implied void isn't the best staff tbqh

i run void in damnation exclusively

[ornate hamlet]

Well it isn’t the best staff

[frail shuttle]

Void is not best staff

[unkempt juniper]

it certianly is

[ornate hamlet]

That’s a real hot take

[modest epoch]

being able to stun damn near everything including mutants while they're charging/have someone picked up is pretty wild tbf

[unkempt juniper]

it is an objective truth

[night marten]

[frail shuttle]

cue me Perma stunning 3 chargers and a dog with surge in the last 5 games

[ornate hamlet]

Yah I think that void has one strong use

Killing horde

And honestly, hordes don’t wipe you

Special mobs do

[modest epoch]

void is very strong in hordes that do be true

[marble jetty]

Void is BIS if you don't trust your teammates

[unkempt juniper]

void also staggers everything save mutants and ogryns

and since the cost is like 6% peril per shot, you can shoot them down without letting them do anything

[frail shuttle]

Void is fun, but stagger wise you may as well bring the purge staff

It's the same

[unkempt juniper]

maulers, ragers, trappers, flamers etc

[unkempt juniper]

its not the same because void actually does damage

[modest epoch]

i guess taking the tradeoff between stunning everything with mid horde damage versus stunning some things with big ass horde damage is personal preference

[next aurora]

purge has a lil bit more warp generation with the 2nd lvl 30 feat

[modest epoch]

though to be fair i'm just a dirty zealot player so i'm going off my lvl 15 psyker experience

[unkempt juniper]

void can also hit stuff behind cover if you use it right