psyker-class

[night fox]

bruh, math hard??? 80x5??

[boreal sun]

from what multiple people have said, 380 is the cap. /shrug

[spiral remnant]

tree eighty one

worst part is it's not even max

[boreal sun]

so 400?

[spiral remnant]

the perks could be 50

[sweet lynx]

wtf, does gamepass not have the primary secondary damage feature!?!?

[spiral remnant]

and one of the blessings is t3

[boreal sun]

tbh 370+ is honestly all you need

[spiral remnant]

maaan min maxing so hard :(

[boreal sun]

just get the stats you want

[spiral remnant]

i jsut want a good staff

[dim pier]

380 was just the highest seen, 400 is the highest theorized

[spiral remnant]

😭

[dim pier]

Now 381 for me so yeh

[spiral remnant]

has anybody seen a 25% max hp curio?

[boreal sun]

purgatus staffs can't crit right?

https://prnt.sc/KjUOWQWC6mYB

[spiral remnant]

I've only ever got 20s and rarely a 21

[boreal sun]

because this staff is garbage if it can't crit

[potent echo]

They can now

[spiral remnant]

I've got a solid staff goin

[boreal sun]

what crits on it? burn?

[night fox]

i think on one of the latest patches it can, but is only the hits. the DoT dmg is the same

it would be cool, if on hit your DoT dmg would scale with it

but it would also be cool if the flames you leave on the ground burn mobs that walked by them

[weak galleon]

there's a blessing that gives +SB stacks on crit.

[boreal sun]

i did 54 damage.

[weak galleon]

just gotta somehow combine the +crit and +SB on crit.

[spiral remnant]

i've seen someone theorize a 20% increased toughness and 30% reduced intake toughness damage

[boreal sun]

so, it's ultimately useless on this staff.

[worn jewel]

It doesnt appear on purgatus though

[spiral remnant]

which would be insane

[weak galleon]

...what? that's cheating, fatshark...

[spiral remnant]

on a 3x set of curios running same stas

[worn jewel]

Trauma and Voidstrike exclusive

[boreal sun]

I want to see SB on void staff.

[wide summit]

Daemonhost

[night fox]

you get that blessing in here

[spiral remnant]

not to mention a +5% toughness perk

[boreal sun]

bruh how

[weak galleon]

so a trash?
Because 2 stacks of SB aren't worth shit by themselves.

[boreal sun]

how did you do it on daemon host without it yeeting

[spiral remnant]

anybody know whats going on

with this curio?

[boreal sun]

i feel like slug would be the best choice

[spiral remnant]

73 + 70 doesn't equal 153

[worn jewel]

Yeap, I wanted to put SB on Surge but if the datamined builder is correct; no cigar.

[hazy ibex]

Too bad you have 2 health and enemies damage you through your toughness, so a 20% increase wouldn't matter

[echo parrot]

It does now, or do you not believe the word of the emperor?

[night fox]

the curio itself prolly has a hidden GS rating. Curios are weird when it comes to stats

[spiral remnant]

forgive me

[spiral remnant]

weird.

every other curio has been simple addition

[worn jewel]

Given how janky the loot system is right now; I wouldn't be too surprised

[flat moat]

how should I do the penance going out with a bang ?

[vernal imp]

pray

and play malice

[boreal sun]

higher difficulties.

[sweet lynx]

can you only get the full 33% from kinetic shield if you're running warp battery?

[worn jewel]

Queue malice, blow yourself up in a horde of elites

[boreal sun]

fairly certain I did that on damnation solo

[dull rover]

didnt work for me on malice

[spiral remnant]

do +2 wounds exist?

[worn jewel]

I got mine by accident using surge staff trying to prevent two ogryns and 3 maulers from reaching my veterans

[worn jewel]

It worked for me

[dull rover]

blew up 3 elites 2 times nothing : /

[vernal imp]

there is a bug where malice penances dont work on malice, have it on my zealot

[worn jewel]

Did you blow up elites or specialists?

[dull rover]

anyone knows if there is a way to orginise penance runs for monstrum ?

[vernal imp]

think it's worth upgrading to see if it gets deflect?

[boreal sun]

yes, in lfg.

[boreal sun]

no.

get one with higher base stat.

[vernal imp]

first power sword i get since level 15, emp gift

never any in the shop

[boreal sun]

force sword.

[worn jewel]

I wouldnt upgrade anything below 350 modifier imo

[boreal sun]

power sword is vet sword

apparently there's suppose to be a 2 handed force sword.

that never made it in the "70+" weapons

[vernal imp]

it's honestly a 50/50 whether you get a weapon that is above or below 350 with me

[boreal sun]

i mean, if you have nothing else to upgrade, go for it

[worn jewel]

Theres not even 70 weapons, even with the variants, so that number is worthless

[vernal imp]

i'm rocking a 354 knife since it's the best i've got, at least it's a knife

[hazy ibex]

I would say save your currency for when they add the other tech priest options

[pine flax]

Is warp absorption supposed to give toughness for staff kills too? I only ever receive the 10% when I get a brain pop

[hazy ibex]

It looks like you will be able to change the blessings on weapons

[vernal imp]

isn't there just 65 in total? it's silly

[worn jewel]

Yeap

[vernal imp]

2 force sword variants are missing which is great

[hazy ibex]

two force sword variants might get added in the future

[worn jewel]

we'll have it in 6 months

VT2 electric boogalooo

[vernal imp]

that's optimistic, thinking psyker will get the 2nd subclass in 6 months

[worn jewel]

nah

we'll get a sword in 6 months

class will take 1.5 years

[mellow socket]

hey fellow psykers, what are your suggestions for curios? toughness or health?

[worn jewel]

Oh no, don't start the war again

[vernal imp]

health, never goes wrong

[mellow socket]

did not know that was a war declaration

[worn jewel]

Guess its not prime time now but theres always a huge argument between toughness and health

[tender cipher]

Health is the only answer that way you can explode more

[brisk plume]

Toughness regen all the way 🙃

[dim pier]

Isn’t that wounds tho

[vernal imp]

clearly experience is the best curio

[hazy ibex]

I don't understand why you would want more toughness if enemies damage you through your toughness

[tender cipher]

Yes you’re right so the only answer is wounds!

[dim pier]

MOAR WOUND STACKING

[worn jewel]

Go +3 wounds. Break the meta, play a class that can face the floor the most. Be a perpetual like the Emperor himself.

[dim pier]

+6 WOUNDS WHEN FS

[worn jewel]

Corruption chip dmg

[timber shale]

the more toughness you have, the less damage bleeds through to your hp

[mellow socket]

jokes aside, I currently am going 2 for health 1 for wounds, is that ok for 3+ difficulties?

[vernal imp]

yeah, just focus health if you're worried about that though honestly, and wounds

[worn jewel]

Except of course in Heresy+, a stiff breeze takes your toughness bar anyways

[night fox]

finally got this frame, and the weapon charm

[worn jewel]

Heretic

Nurglite in disguise

[vernal imp]

having 2 +20% toughness curios still makes your toughness get blown away like a fart in the wind on heresy+, but so many people swear by it

idk why

[night fox]

bruh, do u not get that thats for killing infecteds?? lul

they sure love me over there

[worn jewel]

It regenerates! You just suck at dodging! Why are you getting hit anyways? Skill Issue!

[wide quest]

What do you mean fix, aren't they just working as intended?

[timber shale]

I guess I must just get hit less often than you do, because I'm frequently at full toughness 🤷‍♂️

[vernal imp]

meanwhile, me infinitely blocking with my knife who only needs toughness for ranged

[worn jewel]

There we go

Toughness v Health in a nutshell

[timber shale]

I mean, yeah\

[vernal imp]

never gets old

[potent echo]

Higher toughness means you regenerate to full faster

[worn jewel]

Wounds Master Class forever. Pick-up simulator for your team.

I help them get the penance completed faster

[vernal imp]

MVP, helping us all get the frame faster

[proud sierra]

all i wanna do is finish this pick n mix fml

[vernal imp]

shop reset, time to see if there's a power sword above 350 base stats

[tender cipher]

Wounds > Health >= Stamina > Toughness

Wounds for detonation and for reckless play

Stamina for more pushing.

Health because why not

[oak falcon]

Would this be worth upgrading?

[timber shale]

my dude, how often are you getting downed???

[potent echo]

You don't really need stamina with the peril block thing

[tender cipher]

When I decide to explode obviously

[dim pier]

Haha self detonate go bakoom

[tender cipher]

It’s more for pushing

[vernal imp]

honestly, if you ain't rocking a +1 wounds on heresy+ that's on you

[potent echo]

You get unlimited pushes, you don't need stamina

I can spam push at 0% stamina

[tender cipher]

It definitely consumes stamina when you use the follow up

[vernal imp]

and yeah, not even a single sword in the shop

[potent echo]

Yea but you can do it at 0%

[timber shale]

you can do FS the push attack endlessly as long as you have peril. Stam is irrelevant.

[worn jewel]

A true connoisseur

[tender cipher]

Fair.

[potent echo]

And stamina curios are bugged, regardless of what they say they only give 1 stamina

[sweet lynx]

You can no longer get away with just dodge spamming in heresy+?

[tender cipher]

I guess wounds it is then!

[potent echo]

You can, just dodge while holding block

Force sword unlimited dodges

[timber shale]

yes a single +1 wound curio on Heresy is a good idea. I sure as fuck wouldn't go 3+wounds like these chuckleheads are suggesting though.

[vernal imp]

just accept it, ain't brave enough for the detonation meta

[worn jewel]

This guy dodges. We go out in a blaze of glory. I know what I'd pick.

[ornate hamlet]

what's the most popular weapons for psykers nowadays? i'm running force sword and that electro staff rn

[tall mesa]

most staves are popular

some are void or purgator fans

[timber shale]

deflector force sword is probably the most popular melee weapon, staff choice varies (but trauma is unpopular)

[vernal imp]

force sword, antax mk5 or w/e its called, but my personal favourite is duel sword mk4

[worn jewel]

Surge: Best CC
Voidstrike: Best Generalist & Corridor Clear
Purgatus: Best Spread Clear & Crash Inducer
Trauma: Best team troll

[ornate hamlet]

ye, i hate trauma staff

[worn heath]

trauma's prolly weakest overall, surge and void probably the most useful

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

good to know opinion on that staff is consistent

[worn jewel]

Not at all; the trauma peeps just arent online right now

[chilly cobalt]

Do we full charge the voidstrike on hordes or just spam

[ornate hamlet]

i'll have to look for deflector force sword

[tall mesa]

void is inferior to purge as a secondary if you ask me

[timber shale]

somebody was in here earlier today arguing that trauma is good because of how much stagger it has...but I'll pass on that shit

[sweet lynx]

When is void better than it's counterparts?

[glossy hazel]

Does Kinetic Flayer only has a chance to proc once every 15 seconds or 15 second cooldown on proccing on the same enemy? Huge difference between useless and useful.

[worthy wasp]

Once every 15, and its def not useless

[tall mesa]

void can clear hordes from further away than purge but isn't as effective.

[timber shale]

when you want to shoot ranged dudes but are unwilling to accept that lasgun is better than void staff

[worn jewel]

Oh it has great stagger and can't be blocked by shields/thicc ogryns like voidstrike. But the peril cost is a one step ticket towards +3 wounds explosion build.

[pine iris]

"everyone could be veteran if there was more ammo" brilliant

[vernal imp]

once every 15 sec, and its still the best feat on that level honestly unless you REALLY care about warp charges

[lethal plover]

The amount of people who are confident that they just need 0 or 1 wound, and then wipe

[vernal imp]

or if you're rocking soulblaze for whatever reason

[sweet lynx]

on this note can you only get the full 33% from kinetic shield if you're running warp battery?

[pine iris]

"+1 wound, that sounds bad"

[chilly cobalt]

Simple question, would like an answer please

[vernal imp]

don't know, don't think anyone knows except some random programmer at fatshark

[timber shale]

95% of the wipes i've seen are because everyone gets downed by hounds/trappers/etc at the same time, not because one guy doesn't have enough wounds

[sweet lynx]

fair, ty 😆

[worn jewel]

You don't need wounds if you can dodge like a god. I am not a god and frankly neither are my fingers.

[glossy hazel]

You need atleast +1 wound if you are doing Grims.

[tall mesa]

you re the most right but an extra wound really doesn't hurt

[night marten]

when I run missions with 3 solid vets, I basically don't have to participate lol

[lethal plover]

Everyone be gangsta until they wipe

Casualty

[worthy wasp]

Psyker Warp Charges:

1. Psychic Communion = best method of gaining charges

-AB also if using Purg

2. BB is your most consistent method of keeping you charges maxed out. Charges last 25 secs. So long as you keep hitting shit, Kinetic Flayer should be keeping up your charges.

[tall mesa]

you can sort of forget about wounds if you got enough stamina to block

[chilly cobalt]

Yo i fuckin know yall see this cause yall aint got nothing better to do

[vernal imp]

test it yourself :)

[timber shale]

can't help you with this question, as i don't run voidstaff

[vernal imp]

but fr i just find casting it halfway through the bar for hordes to be fine

[tall mesa]

honestly void is shit against elites so i d suggest to try and see how much ou got to charge it to OS hordes and stick to that

[pine iris]

quick charging right mouse vs spam left mouse is the big question

[tepid nest]

Are full teams getting hit by trapper in Heresy+ or something? If someone on our team gets hit by a trapper we make fun of them. Is my experience not the norm at higher difficulties?

[bold maple]

I don't speak with voidstr*ke staff users sorry

[worn jewel]

What are you killing mate?

poxwalkers? Then minimal charge

[chilly cobalt]

Thanks all

[worthy wasp]

Void Staffs best combo vs mixed hordes is to press alt+f4 and swap to Surge Staff

[worn canopy]

did they shadow nerf the peril quell % on non force weapons?

[tall mesa]

i have a 35% mobility force sword. sometimes it happens

[pine iris]

trappers come out in multiples usually with a mutant or las squad

[timber shale]

I can't see a reason to run void over a kantrael lasgun, which is why i stick to surge/purg staves

[glossy hazel]

Depends on the trash going your way, minimal is good if it's mostly trash, medium if there are meatier/poxxers and I full charge for ranged boys. No Charge/Minimal does fuck-all for damage though.

[exotic jungle]

anyone knwo how to chage keybinding for quell

[night fox]

surge for hordes???? noob

[worn jewel]

If the horde has some Elites in em, then a half-full charge to put some dps on em

[tepid nest]

That I get a bit more. They still get made fun of though lol

[vernal imp]

there's a big reason, lasgun is boring and you picked the caster class lmao

[worthy wasp]

You missed "mixed" hordes, smol brain pleb

[tall mesa]

reload key

[night fox]

theres no mixed hordes genius

[worn jewel]

Ah here we go; it has begun again, the flame wars has

[potent echo]

That's a weird way to spell purge staff

[exotic jungle]

change*

[night fox]

is hordes with other mobs in there

[tepid nest]

Side dodge on audo cue should work even at low mobility I believe.

[pine iris]

@timber shale how are your FPS skills?

[tall mesa]

below 0

[worthy wasp]

Ahh, so you dont get Ogryn in your hordes then?

[night fox]

a horde is all infected smoothbrain

[worthy wasp]

What dif you play on? T1?

[boreal sun]

does malleus monstrum count if the entire team is 4 psykers brain bursting?

[tall mesa]

no

[tepid nest]

@night fox welcome to the block list I guess. You're not wrong but you're pedantic.

[worn jewel]

No

[boreal sun]

f

[pine iris]

If you have extremely good FPS accuracy feel free to run lasgun psyker. but if you spray and pray, use the casting weapons

[worn jewel]

It has to be you and only you doing that 90% BB

[night fox]

the horror, i got blocked

what imma do now

[worthy wasp]

I dont think you know what a horde is

[hazy ibex]

What's the point of blowing up if it doesn't even kill ragers

[pine iris]

you can make viable dumb builds if you're a very high skill player

[timber shale]

not sure how to answer this. They're fine? you don't really need FPS skills in DT since it's not like AI dodges all crazy the way players do in Overwatch or something

[worthy wasp]

Youre new to fatshark games I can see

[bold maple]

why is psyker chat always so cringe

[vernal imp]

it should be illegal to use guns as a psyker, at that point just play veteran

[glossy hazel]

You play Psyker to not worry about ammo. Running a gun on him just turns you into a worse veteran.

[ruby karma]

We are who we are. sibling.

[worn jewel]

Ah the guns vs staff has started again

[tall mesa]

agreed the only synergy is the auto BB proc and it's not worth it.

[small spindle]

what melee folks go with, been liking the devil claw sword 4/7 but not sure which one is better overall.

[timber shale]

I'm not suggesting people run lasgun psyker, I'm just saying that voidstrike's niche is "worse lasgun"

[night fox]

ohh shit, didnt saw the new leaf on your name. that explains it

[pine iris]

I am trying to find the middle ground between "just run veteran" and "lasgun psyker is 100% a good idea"

[worn jewel]

Every class chat is cringe; it depends on who is online

[potent echo]

When we gonna get las staff. A lasgun that costs peril and not ammo

[tepid nest]

He's making the pedantic comment that a "horde" is just the mob spawn on the audio cue, while ignoring the fact that we'll call a horde any large mob.

[glossy hazel]

Ogryn chat is peak comfy.

[chilly cobalt]

Do people only use the dueling sword for the movement tech and dodge? The actual attacks seem abysmal to use

[pine iris]

general is the cringe chat by far

[tepid nest]

Not wrong, but not useful to any discussion.

[timber shale]

the middleground is "accept that your role is crowd control and run surge/purg staff"

[worn jewel]

You havent met the bully ogryns then

[worthy wasp]

Ye, hes new to these kinds of games/the community

[night fox]

i thoguht you blocked me you child?? why are you still reading my msgs @tepid nest

[vernal imp]

i like the mk4 variant, it seems completely fine for me but the other ones i disliked

[pine iris]

you're not just crowd control. you're reactive all arounder with elite deleting

[bold maple]

mk5 attack is sexy as fuck

[vernal imp]

think its cause its the last variant you get of a dueling sword, so people use the trash ones first and disregard it

[potent echo]

Mk V kinda nice

[tall mesa]

Forcce sword is insanely powerfull with 1 the warp attack and secondly the deflector perk. otherwise it's overkill and too clunky

[glossy hazel]

Why control a crowd when you can just delete them with your balls.

[timber shale]

tbh once you start playing on Heresy+...no your role is to enable the veteran to handle the elite deleting

ofc you should still BB elites when the situation calls for it

[pine iris]

I want to start all psyker heresy+ play group. anyone interested?

[tepid nest]

Fairly accurate.

[timber shale]

but that is no longer your primary role

[potent echo]

You can kill elites (when no one else is around)

[tall mesa]

i mean when you check the difference in mobility with a tactical axe or a duelist sword really the blocking thing is not extra good

[bold maple]

when bulwark shows up it's still up to you to BB that bitch on heresy

vet cant waste ammo on the shield

[candid temple]

20-30 games, no emperor's gift, now 3 in 5.

so bad.

[potent echo]

I like the range of duelling sword, 1v1 ragers kind of fun

[vernal imp]

don't say that to them, they'll take it as a challenge sometimes

[sweet lynx]

dodge spam and brain burst doesn't cut it?

[tall mesa]

if you dodge their first hit usually they re done for it.

[night fox]

but yet, here you are literally NEW to the discord talking about shit you dont know clearly. one thing has nothing to do with the other. Horde is literally a infested only, if you get more mobs in there thats just extra and not part of that horde

[potent echo]

It's faster to land 3 heavies on the head, less if you get a crit

[mighty yarrow]

Well the emperor obviously doesn't think you have what it takes. But at least he isn't giving you all of his trash like he does me.

[edgy heart]

this is hilarious lmfao

[teal needle]

The emperor thinks I'm a vet, he only gives me orange lasguns

It's like getting a book you already have for Christmas

[candid temple]

I prefer pressing m4 and hitting them once with force sword

[potent echo]

Yea but that's force sword

I'm just saying duelling sword is fun not force sword is bad

[pine iris]

"don't just say horde, say mixed group including a horde". don't say linux, say gnu+linux

[sweet lynx]

I wish all swords could quell.

[worn jewel]

Ah nothing like our stroke inducing targetting system. Railings dont work but apparently a wall with gaps does.

[vernal imp]

non-force weapons have very fast passive quell, so kinda they do?

[pine iris]

dont say gay, say LGBTQIA+

[worthy wasp]

Legit got 1k hours in vt2 and 100 here. Fk off with your semantics scrub.

[mighty yarrow]

Noob question: Does BB damage increase with anything other than perks? Like level?

[timber shale]

warp charges

[worthy wasp]

Aight, bad argument

[vernal imp]

nope, just stuff from warp charges and.. i guess weapon debuffs

[sweet lynx]

say you wanted to run a brain burst spam build. what would be the best quelling weapon?

[torpid girder]

The game is sabotaging me

[mighty yarrow]

Got it, thanks guys

[timber shale]

a staff with high quell speed. Idk if it matters which staff.

[vernal imp]

i'd just use a staff since you move faster, swap to melee when you need to and use painkillers when you start feeling the pain of using BB

[sweet lynx]

lol kk, ty ty!

[ivory lake]

don't you only need to quell to 97% for BB spam?

[vernal imp]

never quell with the brain burst hands, it turns you into a snail

[worn jewel]

Roflmao. Arthritis medicine you mean, because this BB spamming shit is giving it to me.

[tepid nest]

Has anyone had a good time doing BB spam? It seems to me like it's pretty bad rn, but I haven't gone all in on a BB build yet.

[timber shale]

it's pretty bad.

[bleak sonnet]

i do a BB based build

it's not bad

[glossy hazel]

BB falls off pretty hard past malice

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh if spamming BB I'd prob run a non-force melee. That way you can quickswap from BB to melee and contribute.

Youre not doing much with a staff aside from active quelling if you are spamming BB

[worn jewel]

It wouldnt be so bad if the targetting didnt stroke out

[sweet lynx]

I actually hadn't realized you aren't always a snail while quelling, ty!

[tropic halo]

WHY is it ALWAYS 8% ORDO packets

[hazy ibex]

I do a BB build until I get picknmix so forever probably

[vernal imp]

kinetic barrage at 30 can turn you into a BB spammer.. for a bit, if you don't have any good ranged weapon that deals damage, or a veteran that accidentally went on their second monitor for 10 seconds

[bleak sonnet]

just carried a few T5s with BB build

and axe

[tropic halo]

I just wasted 350 diamantium.

[worthy wasp]

Ye BB + Antax Mk V is a thing

[tepid nest]

Weapons?

Like screenshots if possible

[bleak sonnet]

the hidden OP is taking the 15% cdr on elite kill (works on your own ult) and then the ult that speeds up cast time

[worthy wasp]

Antax Mk V Combat Axe

[vernal imp]

don't worry about it, when you do heresy+ diamantine is the easiest thing ever and plasteel becomes a pain

[bleak sonnet]

Antax Mk V Combat Axe

[timber shale]

if you're going to do a BB build, inner tranguility/psykinetic aura/kinetic barrage is the way to go imo

[timber shale]

this

[tepid nest]

Interesting

[tropic halo]

I already do do heresy

[glossy hazel]

Only bother upgrading grey/green stuff to get a perk you want. Anything else and you are shooting yourself in the foot until they release the crafting system which SHOULD have been in the RELEASE.

[bleak sonnet]

why you say this?

you can get good purps and yellows with good stats

just rng

[mint burrow]

Pick n mix is easily the hardest Psyker penance and it’s pissing me off so much

[paper trail]

At this point I am considering blowing 3 weeks of weekly contracts currency all on mystery boxes just for more chances at loot

[worn jewel]

Don't say it. It's one of the few things that can still piss me off.

[boreal sun]

get about two vets and tell them not to shoot, it's easy.

[tepid nest]

You need to mix more and pick less. I hope that clears it up.

[glossy hazel]

Better to save them until Fatshart gets off their early christmas holidays.

[bold maple]

Only bother upgrading grey/green stuff to get a perk you want. Anything else and you are shooting yourself in the foot until they release the crafting system which SHOULD have been in the RELEASE.

[pine iris]

Ogryn, Veteran, Psyker(x2) makes for the least stressful, most consistent runs

[worthy wasp]

lol, that stat distribution

[worthy wasp]

and yes, this 100%

[warm delta]

Zealot goes, hey what about me

[glossy hazel]

3 Ogryn, 1 Vet is also pretty pleasant.

[tepid nest]

I did a malice with 2x Psyker and 2x vet, it was harder than any heresy run I've done in my life. Director AI hates it. I'm scared to even have 3/4 of that comp.

[pine iris]

min/max. viable strategy

[worn jewel]

Goddamn ObeseFish released a premium store with predatory pricing and bundles over what essentially amounts to half of their loot and itemization system. With less classes than VT2, with less story and buggier optimization.

Oh im calm again

[pine iris]

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results"

[hot steeple]

does the purgatus staff good?

[worthy wasp]

I'm still rocking this piece of shit in damnation. Come on RNG, gimme a good Antax Mk V

[mint burrow]

Build dependent but yes

[pine iris]

Yes, roll 75+ warp resistance

[worn jewel]

It builds soulblaze stacks and is a flamer that doesnt need ammo

[glossy hazel]

The dream team is 3 of 1 class with all the different voices + 1 random. Banter > Everything.

[bleak sonnet]

dream team 4 ogre

[worthy wasp]

3 Ogryns and a Psyker then

[vernal imp]

i'm dreading doing the heresy penances, since it was a pain to get them on my friends psyker, just think i'll save it for when i'm near 100 missions done for the hood

[worn jewel]

I pretty sure those of us with 100 hours have heard all the banter by now.

What we need is 4 psyker teams

[pine iris]

2 crazy german psykers have funny unique banter

[mint burrow]

Pick n mix is cancer and the requirements should be nerfed

[worn jewel]

Sibling synergy

[pine iris]

they get giddy, it's funny

[glossy hazel]

Same voices don't really interact with each other though sadly.

[vernal imp]

i've already died inside doing the 3 elite kill, how can it get any worse

[pine iris]

Tyr: 2 germans do

[mint burrow]

Gets way worse

[worn jewel]

It's sad after awhile when you pick up the monke veteran and he says "DONT TOUCH ME PSYKER" or when the zealot says "UNHAND ME WITCH"

Psykers never shit talk psykers

[vernal imp]

its why i like the bodyguard ogryn, only one that's nice to you

[glossy hazel]

Psykers also shit talk others. "Not so rough." "You are pulling my arm off, Cretin."

[night fox]

this why i dont pick up zealot/vets

[proven wedge]

Ogryns and psykers are forever bros

[hardy needle]

anyone have tips for Pick n mix penance?

[worn jewel]

Ah Ogryns, I forgot about them. So few in my region. I miss Ogbros

[glossy hazel]

Psykers shit talk Ogryns constantly, watcha on about? Ogryn+Vet are forever bros.

[lethal plover]

Psykers are the most understanding, except the crazy guy

[pine iris]

"you understand me, right?" I think the calm veteran to the Ogryn. so nice

[potent echo]

Kruber / bardin friends forever

[worn jewel]

Well Vet is Boss, we are only sparky Further proof by the way that Surge is the best staff

[glossy hazel]

Professional Vet is the nicest to Ogryns.

[gilded viper]

How have you gotten Pick n' Mix? That penance sucks

[potent echo]

Dreamer psyker is the only one that says "poor dog"

[glossy hazel]

Dreamer Psyker makes me uncomfortable with their imaginary waifu.

[glass lake]

Whenever I play psyker, everyone else on the team is a psyker... when I play Ogryn, everyone else is an ogryn...

[pine iris]

I was looking at the hound in the meatlocker. awesome skin on the model

[hazy ibex]

One of those sounds fun

[worthy wasp]

Aight

[bold maple]

4 ogryn is fu

4 psyker is a disaster

[worthy wasp]

I'm not entirely sold on Brutal Momentum

What other options are there for Combat Axe?

[pine iris]

I play 3 psyker pretty commonly

[hardy needle]

trying to do it atm. has to just be rng spawn luck

[pine iris]

@here add me on steam "johnisthename"

@timber shale I want to see your las psyker in action

[hazy ibex]

Is suicide bomber penance possible solo?

[runic gate]

Worth upgrading? Mk Vii Atrox

[long wharf]

is that the best axe variant?

[worthy wasp]

No

Antax Mk V Combat Axe

[dawn orchid]

I see a bunch of psykers using the dueling sword instead of the force sword, what's the benefit of it?

[runic gate]

MK V is good too

[vernal imp]

speed, cleave

[runic gate]

Have this too - not sure about Thrust blessing

[junior ruin]

good cleave and dodges and good heavy attacks to kill elites

i hate the force swords attack chains only reason i sometimes use force sword is deflector

[azure radish]

I have joined this server to ask my brethren what they think of using the dagger and how foolish I am for mastering it

[junior ruin]

Dagger is amazing

[runic gate]

I like dueling sword but doesn't do enough dmg in heresy/damniation

[gilded viper]

One of these days I'll just casually get 5 gunners to show up

[tepid nest]

Put on the Quell makes toughness feat, build peril, swap to dueling swords and let it passive quell for a ton of toughness.

[junior ruin]

i use it fine in heresy

[azure radish]

And secondly, is it stupid to use a loadout with no warp weapons? Also hi :D

[gilded viper]

I mean you can, but you should really use a Force Staff

[junior ruin]

perils on block also works very well with dueling sword

[hardy needle]

Think this is the worst penance for me

[runic gate]

Post it, would like to see how low the dmg is lol

[gilded viper]

Same I got all the others just fine by comparison

[pine iris]

past difficulty 2, probably. for the team viability

[junior ruin]

you can do it, i do it sometimes when i feel like it, you kinda lose out on not having a staff as thats the point of our class. but its perfectly fine for the most part

[junior ruin]

what do you mean post it?

[azure radish]

Well, the reason I ask, is because Ilike to use a force sword and a 'get out of jail free card' gun

like an SMG or heavy lasgun

[pine iris]

@azure radish this is fine but you'll get a staff that you can really rely on for DPS soon

[runic gate]

screen shot, snipping tool

[junior ruin]

i use dueling sword and either a staff or accatran (when i feel like it) on my psyker

[tepid nest]

It's viable, maybe not optimal though. We'll see how the Psyker meta progresses.

[azure radish]

I have the staff that shoots the uh, exploding orbs rather than the ground aura thingy, and I like that, but there's something about the force sword that activates my neurons

[junior ruin]

i mean i could post an end game screen of me with a duelnig sword? like its not that hard but im not playing right now

[tired solar]

emperors gift to me as a psyker 😦

[azure radish]

I felt like it would be inefficient to bring a force sword and a force staff since you'd be juggling absurd peril to be effective with both weapons

but mayhap that is just me

[junior ruin]

force sword and staffs fine as they both quell perils quickly

[vestal cosmos]

hmm should i buy this

[pine iris]

void staff. look for a purg (fire) or surge (electric) that has stats close to 80 and a warp oriented set of feats. ( for down the line, high level play)

[gilded viper]

I run both, the key is to have a force staff with good quell speed, something like the Purgitus staff also has good stagger which can help with the "get outa jail" aspect

[azure radish]

Ahh right I still need to get the emperor palpatine staff

[tepid nest]

I agree with this, most just use the staff for that though. I think there's potentially a good build there, but it will require a lot of work to figure things out.

[junior ruin]

Surge and void staves are my favourite corb,

[azure radish]

I appreciate your input, fellow warp addicts :) I am at work and brainstorming my build work for when I get home lol

[tepid nest]

New ideas are welcome here :). Make us proud of your melee Psyker.

[junior ruin]

it is a good pain ;3

[vague roost]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[azure radish]

At least at my current level / gear, managing peril between brain popping, a staff, and a force sword is annoying, but I imagine with more peril management crap it would be more efficient

[junior ruin]

VERY LIMITED POWER

[gilded viper]

I mean deflector force sword with the peril blocking talent is top notch defense.

[junior ruin]

yeah force weapons quell very fast at higher gear levels.

i just want a force sword variant that i dont hate so god damn much

[pine iris]

you quell faster with a good staff. it's nice

[hazy ibex]

Going out with a bang is actually making me dislike the game

[gilded viper]

Learning to juggle your weapons/abilities is a big part of Darktide, I got a head start being an Unchained player in VT2 lol.

[azure radish]

my default build right now is me lucky stabby dagger and the void staff

[azure radish]

me too :)~ Sienna main here, so naturally I picked the.. uh.. sienna clone class

[elfin smelt]

Got Going Out With a Bang and Pick n' Mix first try today, thank you for the tips yesterday psyker pals

[junior ruin]

Daggers a lot of fun running around like a mad man shanking people

[hazy ibex]

How'd you do it

[vague roost]

I also was mage player in vt

[hazy ibex]

HOW

[gilded viper]

Pick n Mix is raw luck. Good Luck

[hazy ibex]

and going out with a bang isn't?

[bold spruce]

the dueling sword is faster

[junior ruin]

i love the mk 4 duelnig sword

[gilded viper]

Although personally, I find it difficult to blow up in DT compared to Sienna, think that's intentional game design by Fatshark tho

[bold spruce]

whats the best rank 25 perk

[gilded viper]

Kinetic Flayer

[vague roost]

If you do the boom take as many enemies with ya as possible :3

[bold spruce]

thanks

[azure radish]

Dagger is fun when you go m1 m1 punch

[gilded viper]

Free Brain Burst is free, goes great with flame staff

[azure radish]

there is something so enjoyable punching someone in the face and they die

[gilded viper]

It is amusing

[junior ruin]

the free BB helps keep warp charges up so you dont have to worry about it

[gilded viper]

I like Ogryn club slap

[bold spruce]

i have the lighting staff

[hazy ibex]

Id be cool if my blow up actually killed any elites

[gilded viper]

That works too, still hits a bunch

[bold spruce]

ill try it out

[junior ruin]

Surge staff and void staff are my faves so far

[pine iris]

#general-chat message

[azure radish]

back to work, ilu psyker brethren

[gilded viper]

I was able to organize a premade for Malice to do that penance, with the (relatively) low damage of Brain Burst, Pick n' Mix is just harder, you can only 1-shot BB 4 of the 14 elites/specials in the game on Heresy.

[hexed compass]

@junior ruin Doesn't that dualing sword give up penetration for cleave while not having a cleave focused attack? Does it actually do good work? Never bought one because it looked counter productive

[hazy ibex]

Yeah I know all the stats and I am just mindlessly grinding games trying to do it... Just isn't fun

[junior ruin]

the light attacks do decent cleave, and the heavy attacks are nice stabs forr taking out the heavier things.

[gilded viper]

Yah i'm taking a break, that particular penance is just frustrating

[pine iris]

was there a high chance of getting a gift mode today?

the darktidecomms twitter fell off. no tweets since the 30th of november. someone's contract ended lol

[hexed compass]

@junior ruin Thanks for the advice, Ill give it a go tomorrow

[vernal imp]

gonna take a break, what are the elites you can 1-shot with BB on heresy? gonna attempt penances tommorow but i never remember cause i never use BB lmao

[sweet lynx]

its that bad on heresy+?😥

[junior ruin]

it is just my personal preference though, it has my personal favourite move set ;p

[robust meteor]

upgrade or nah

[sweet lynx]

secksy

[small spindle]

Psyker's cosmetic bundle headpiece makes you go bald right?

[hexed compass]

Wait im dumb Idk

[sweet lynx]

The emperor hath blessed me.
Gamepass doesn't get primary/secondary damage numbers as seen in my screeny....

[proud hare]

yo tips on completing pick n mix

[night marten]

#psyker-class message

[boreal sun]

get two vets

[boreal sun]

no.

[normal monolith]

Yeah most psyker hoods make your character bald

[restive slate]

Hairetic Psyker

[normal monolith]

a psyker having hair is a bit of an exception.

usually means they’re unsanctioned

[hexed compass]

I think he might be asking about the in game cosmetic store headgear

[junior ruin]

thats why i dont use hoods

Hair fashion is important

[normal monolith]

it is, and why I draw my psykerbirb wearing a wig ._.

[restive slate]

Pretty boi and girl psykers... rarity, for sure

[bold maple]

any helm that remove my hair is hard pass

absolute cringe

[junior ruin]

+1

[normal monolith]

but I do like proper psibernetics.
which usually mean you have to be bald

[worthy wasp]

Bro

I dont understand what zealots are supposed to do that others cant do better or is redundant

[normal monolith]

the pain of being a sanctioned psyker: a large portion of your head and spine is metal

[bold maple]

be good at melee

[worthy wasp]

Its weird because Zealots are def strong, but I also feel they are the worst class

[bold maple]

if you play zealot like you play vet it'll feel like crap

[worthy wasp]

Which means game must be in a good balance state in terms of classes

[bold maple]

you have to constantly be up in the face

[worthy wasp]

Thats how Ogryn and Psyker play tho

Atleast the way I play Psyker

[normal monolith]

Zealots get one of the hardest hitting single target melee weapons (thunder hammer) and one of the best cleaving weapons (eviscerator)

[junior ruin]

my two 30s are zealot and psyker, and psyker feels weaker than my zealot tbh

[bold maple]

ogryn deal less dmg than zealot and is less mobile

in melee that is

[junior ruin]

ogryn does a lot more stagger though

[worthy wasp]

But as far as roles in a team go

[normal monolith]

Zealot also gets a self heal in melee

[junior ruin]

and is a lot tankier

[worthy wasp]

Ogryn fills their role better

Vet fills their role better

As does Psyker

[junior ruin]

psyker falls off in heresy in their role though

[normal monolith]

yeah, brain burst doesn’t scale

[worthy wasp]

Surge never falls off and a well rolled Void Staff dumpsters everything

[junior ruin]

i much prefer my zealot in heresy over zealot

over psyker* lol

[normal monolith]

but the smite staff is a pretty good CC option as it stuns all the things

[worthy wasp]

Ye surge ccs everything

No one can compare

[restive slate]

Especially with surge anim cancel

[worthy wasp]

Ye surge into combat axe is nuts

[junior ruin]

surge is the one thing that feels like it makes my psyker worth it in heresy

[normal monolith]

Smite continues being the most useful psychic power in 40k

[worthy wasp]

Basically dunk on everything in melee w/ Antax and CC as necessary

[restive slate]

Void and purgatus fun on lower diffs

Trauma ...hmm

[tender cipher]

Void is fun on heresy

[worthy wasp]

Like, best comp imo is ogryn, vet, 2 psykers

[tender cipher]

Two bleed zealots and two psykers

[bold maple]

purge and void is better than surge on heresy if you run the right build and play the right way period

[worthy wasp]

1 surge staff 1 void

[normal monolith]

i did a heresy run with 3 psykers and an Ogryn

[unkempt juniper]

the penetration stat is very important for dueling swords imo

it can mean the difference between 1hko and 2h a dreg melee

[normal monolith]

two smite one void

[unkempt juniper]

cus they have flak armor helmets

[worthy wasp]

What do purg and void staffs do vs Bulwarks? (Shielded Ogryn)

[restive slate]

Why aren't there Psyker Ogryns?

[normal monolith]

so much hard CC

[frail shuttle]

Surge CC is unmatched, carries games easily

[bold maple]

what do devil claw do against mauler? pointless question

turn to BB

[orchid nest]

my main complaint is that i'd like to use force sword thematically with surge but that antax covers its weaknesses so much better. feel forced to use it because of the horde clear and passive quell

[worthy wasp]

Double lol @bold maple

[normal monolith]

They probably end up joining the Choir under the astronomican

[worthy wasp]

Antax deals with everything by Ogryn

Surge deals with Ogryn

[restive slate]

Oh Lord a singing Ogryn

[worthy wasp]

GG

[normal monolith]

aka “fed to the golden throne”

[bold maple]

if you struggle against ogryn you're kinda trash ngl

they're slow, clunky, deal 0 dmg and dodge make them useless

[unkempt juniper]

most of the psykers fed to big e are the ones whose powers are too strong for them to contain and are insane anyways

[worthy wasp]

You prob play on t1-t3

[bold maple]

I play nothing but heresy and damnation my guy

[normal monolith]

Yeah, those ones last the longest in the choir

Takes the longest time to burn out

[unkempt juniper]

1000 per day sounds like a lot but when you have an empire of billions and all psykers are taken to the throneworld, the functional and useful ones are kept alive

[hazy ibex]

Yeah crushers deal 0 damage

[restive slate]

Ah, I mistook choir for the astropathic communication choir

[hazy ibex]

psyker doesn't die if they get hit by one, once

[worthy wasp]

And then there are mixed hordes with plethora of specials

[normal monolith]

yeah I was speaking of the Golden Throne choir, the “psykers that are fed to the throne.”

[worthy wasp]

Surge locks down and opens up the big armor

[bold maple]

you dont choose target with surge lmao, it spread to whatever is closest

[normal monolith]

Smite also does more damage to armored enemies

[bold maple]

specials mixed with horde is the absolute worst scenario for surge

because you just waste stun on trash mobs

[worthy wasp]

Ye but if Ogryn arent in face then they arent a threat

You clear with antax

[normal monolith]

Except for reapers

[worthy wasp]

Then ani-cancel into antax

Gah

Ani-cancel into surge

Then ani-cancel back to antax

[round charm]

what is ani cancel?

[normal monolith]

Animation cancel

[bleak sonnet]

too much effort

just hit him in head

[worthy wasp]

Antax has the horde clear and elite/armor killing power to dunk on everything

[unkempt juniper]

just use force sword and stun them with the special

[restive slate]

Pardon which is antax?

[worthy wasp]

Combat Axe mk v

[restive slate]

Ahhhh ok ok

[worthy wasp]

The only thing that slows you down from dunking on everything is shielded ogryn

[restive slate]

I heard tactical axe may be better on psyker

[worthy wasp]

Which get completely dunked on by surge

[unkempt juniper]

wrong reply

meant the one above that comment

just for a picture reference

speaking of, is this axe any good?

[normal monolith]

i hope we get force hammers

Antax is one of the best armor piercing weapons

second only to thunder hammer tbh

[worthy wasp]

Ye legit just antax push attack everythint.. then ani-cancel into surge and back when you have ogryn in your face

[restive slate]

Force axe sorely needed

[worthy wasp]

GGEZ

[normal monolith]

yeah

Tho we’re supposed to be getting a two handed force sword

thats gonna be fun

[tepid nest]

I want a force great sword. Is that a thing in WH40k?

[restive slate]

Whoa, mini grey knight lesgo

[normal monolith]

Yes

[unkempt juniper]

this is what i really want, a weapon with good cleave and the force sword push and special

[tepid nest]

Give.

[normal monolith]

but yeah one of the upcoming weapons for psyker that was teased is a two handed force sword

[restive slate]

Any announcements when these new weapons may be added?

[unkempt juniper]

when the game leaves early access

[normal monolith]

not yet sadly

[idle bay]

Siblings, is useful Soulfire build possible with a current state of the class and weapons ?

[normal monolith]

probably coming with the Power Maul and meltagun

[restive slate]

What early access? Hehehehe

[bleak sonnet]

guys combat axe is very bad do not use it

[normal monolith]

Power Maul is gonna be the same weapon that the assassination boss uses, same wjth the two handed force sword

[tepid nest]

Not from what I've seen. It feels really underpowered unless you're on low difficulties.

[hexed compass]

^

[normal monolith]

Also two handed chainaxe coming

[hexed compass]

Was pretty much going to say the same thing + too inconsistant on top of that

[orchid nest]

2h force sword with horizontal swings may just make up for the bad passive quell rate with exorcist blessing (for surge pairing)

[restive slate]

Zealot flamer more efficient

[idle bay]

Thought so....

[normal monolith]

the 2h force sword was in the psyker trailer

had a LOT of cleave

[restive slate]

Need to rewatch that trailer

[tepid nest]

Hopefully it gets some buffs :). Psyker is in a decent place otherwise though.

[normal monolith]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkB3Al45auA

[idle bay]

Buffs and Fatshark catexist in the same sentence.. or in the same unoiverse 🙂 In grim dark offices of Fatshark there are only nerfs!

[orchid nest]

It almost needs exorcist or some different passive quelling balancing or something though to make it worth it with surge

[night marten]

I don't think so, BB needs some love, so does soulfire (or at least the purge staff specifically), and feats should be tweaked (or maybe just the warp charge mechanic). Just because we can show up, left click to melee and shoot doesn't mean we're decent

[proud hare]

how am i suppose to do pick n mix when non of the elites die in one BB

[brave plume]

wound then BB

[normal monolith]

but yeah near the middle of the trailer you can see a 2h force sword

cleaving a horde

[round charm]

if someone triggers daemonhost, do you just ditch them? or is that just quickplay strats

[idle bay]

Also i will not say it''s in decent place - psyker in barely tolerable place. After 70 hours of Psyker playing 30 hours of veteran to lvl 30 was eye-opening for me. Unles Psyker uses Lightning or blasting like crazy with Void - he barely contributes....

[tepid nest]

I said decent, not perfect 🙃

[hazy ibex]

Yeah this is the medium tier achievement sure

[main chasm]

so is the antax better than a force sword with deflector?

[unkempt juniper]

sorry
that sword is one of the turtolsky heavy swords, not a 2h force sword.

[normal monolith]

Aww

and psyker doesn’t get that one

[orchid nest]

pick n mix is pretty lenient now to be honest assuming you have the right talent. you just try to soften them up and you can even afford to not 1 shot some

[tepid nest]

I disagree with this wholeheartedly.

[crude cape]

hello, thoughts on this staff? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786208719200583710/1049192612155904011/image.png?width=501&height=676
and do you think the peril reduction on weak spot hit works on the charged alt fire, and can it penetrate a horde and hit multiple heads and stack? (otherwise 2% seems pretty pointless) if it can penetrate, hit 5 heads, and reduce 10% peril that would be nice for spamming on a horde

[night marten]

it's not entirely useless. but what matters is its performance relative to other classes (from a balance perspective)

[jolly karma]

Do you get orange?

If no orange, no dice. That's a good rule of thumb.

(orange X reticle, that is)

[hexed compass]

@hazy ibex What are you taking about? Just throw every lobby you're in until you get your penence :)

[hazy ibex]

Yeah that seems to work for 0.5% of players really well

[crude cape]

hmm unsure guess i could test it with a different one

[tepid nest]

Yeah, and I disagree. It's a harder class to constantly make an impact with, but once you get there it's fine.

[normal monolith]

but however there was a leak that showed a 2h force sword

lemme snag it

[night marten]

you can move through levels, but it's completely outclassed by veteran. whether that's how we're defining "fine" is entirely subjective.

[jolly karma]

Many games have I seen "leaks" that never came to fruition - just ideas that were tried out and never implemented

[idle bay]

When i'm playing Psyker i'm mostly sticking to the Void since it's only thing that works for me. And now i'm switching back to Lightning because i know how tremendously it helps the squad

[normal monolith]

There’s the force swords

[idle bay]

Force Sword with defelector +peril for block is just a nice addition.

[tepid nest]

I again disagree. I change my priorities frequently throughout the mission to fill the holes left by other classes. It's purpose is not to shred every elite as it currently stands.

[uncut hamlet]

Not completely. Psykers are amazing cc, and can mix it with horde clear if you use purge staff

[night marten]

yea that's how I play

[uncut hamlet]

Even though the class was probably designed for elite killing, we don't do elite killing

not as a primary at least

[normal monolith]

I’m wondering what the other force sword type is tho

[uncut hamlet]

grabbing a sniper when vet cant get los at times, or bomber as he runs is our job on terms of elites

[tepid nest]

I just don't believe that you're doing that effectively and don't believe Psyker isn't in a decent position.

[normal monolith]

i see the Obscurus which is like a mini nemesis.
A two handed force sword and one other

[idle bay]

Also compared to Psyker - Veteran plays on baby-easy-mode. While we, psykers get shafter and play under the constant stress - it's not fair 🙂

[normal monolith]

Maybe force falchion?

[tepid nest]

Yes, it's much harder to play than other classes. That's a certainty.

[uncut hamlet]

Psyker definitely has more difficulty for not a lot in comparison, but you can still get through damnation on it so its not underpowered to an extreme at least

[night marten]

I can do it as a psyker, but barring ammo limitations vet (or zealot with flamer) simply outperforms. The scarcity of ammo defines the nichce that psyker fills in the current meta I think

[unkempt juniper]

just checked, its the mk VI heavy sword, this one

[tepid nest]

I can agree with this.

[robust meteor]

i feel like i dominate with psyker in groups

[normal monolith]

Yeah, but look at the screencap of the leak I nabbed

[uncut hamlet]

Having a psyker feels great

[idle bay]

Not harder i say - stressful. We restricted from having too much fun by Peril.

[uncut hamlet]

playing a psyker doesnt feel as great

[tepid nest]

Well, I'd argue harder and more stressful then 🙂

[normal monolith]

There’s three force swords in the leak

[unkempt juniper]

i know about that one, and it still gives me hope. but the sword in the trailer is not a 2h force sword, unfourtunately.

[latent ingot]

finally got my giga hood of death

[normal monolith]

yeah it probably wasn’t finished yet

[crude cape]

so ya, unsure still about the transfer peril perk
would you guys pick this up or nah?

[night marten]

we all look the same sibling lol

[idle bay]

Do you have life ? 🙂

[normal monolith]

I assume it’s gonna be a 2h force and a 2h falchion like the Turtolsky

[unkempt juniper]

transfer peril on voidstrike is god-tier, get that staff

[normal monolith]

Yes

[unkempt juniper]

since it pierces you can get many headshots from a single shot in a horde

[crude cape]

oh ok cool

[latent ingot]

surprisingly the last penance i needed was complete 100 missions

[crude cape]

hopefully with future updates do we think i'll be able to raise the level of that transfer peril perk to make it better?

since its only lvl 1

[normal monolith]

I missed out on voidstrike like that by not having enough weekly stuff

[idle bay]

I have not tried Going out with bang yet - last one that keeping me from 2nd hat...

[normal monolith]

Going out with a bang probably easiest to do using the perils block

get three ragers on you

hit 100 peril, smite stun and explode

[south monolith]

It goes to stam at 80%

[uncut hamlet]

Did a malice with endless with an ogryn friend\

we found a choke point with a bunch of shotgunners

[normal monolith]

ah, then get to 80% and smite stun them to 100

[uncut hamlet]

he shielded up and i kamikazed

shotgunners are very squishy

[normal monolith]

Yee

[uncut hamlet]

got like 5 or 6 pretty sure

[idle bay]

100 missions and 40k heretics are already completed.. but not going out with a bang or BB monstrosity.... I need to get friends for that 🙂

[normal monolith]

yeah BBing monstrosity is deffo a four stack

[uncut hamlet]

not necessarily

[normal monolith]

every time I tried others wouldn’t let me do it

[uncut hamlet]

if your randos are willing to not hit it, you can do it 2 stack with a shield ogryn

[sinful stream]

Level 30 talent "enemies dying from soul blaze have 10% chance to grant a warp charge" does enemies who are burning but killed by something else count for this? (Like how sienna talent worked in vt)

[latent ingot]

i just begged some randoms before a slug spawned

[uncut hamlet]

aggro a daemonhost with ogryn

he takes 0 damage from it

[dim pier]

Most of the people I’ve seen report it got it with some cooperative randoms actually

[uncut hamlet]

and it will never swap aggro

[normal monolith]

oh alrighty

[uncut hamlet]

the daemonhost is the squishiest too

so itll take the least time with the least risk

[normal monolith]

and yeah daemonhost definitely the best for it

shield up and let the psyker bb it down

[idle bay]

I'll try to lure some randoms with a lot of bonus steam poitns.. i have 650k of them to spare 🙂

[hidden coral]

Only annoying thing with Daemonhost is they can hit people behind them. But there's ways around that. And also ye if it's range beans they'll be fine lol

[dim pier]

Yeah the only thing you really lose is time and the Ogryn’s corruption bar. And your sanity, but that just comes with the Psyker challenges

[uncut hamlet]

I did vet T3s before psyker T2 because they dont need any cooperation lol

[normal monolith]

also ngl

if we get force falchions ala GK style

[night marten]

that's how I did it, friendly randos that let me kite the slug around for a while

[hidden coral]

Yeah SS def got it easy with their penances (especially if you cheese the two tricky ones). Poor Oggys though

[normal monolith]

Dual wielding force swords

[hidden coral]

Prob worst balanced class and the hardest Penances

[sinful stream]

Level 30 talent "enemies dying from soul blaze have 10% chance to grant a warp charge" does enemies who are burning but killed by something else count for this? (Like how sienna talent worked in vt)

[normal monolith]

I will screm

[hidden coral]

Can't slide my hand along it though

Smh

[night marten]

think the dot has to kill them (and from what I've tested, that doesn't include direct damage from the staff, only the dot). it's still good though

[hidden coral]

Actually wait yeah that wouldn't work lol, we need to empower it with our blue energy hands

[normal monolith]

It’s a thing from the lore and tt

[hidden coral]

:o

[uncut hamlet]

I did both of them legit

was a pain

[normal monolith]

Nemesis Force Falchions

[hidden coral]

I really shouldn't expect a silly nerd thing to exist in 40k, they always do

That's great though

[normal monolith]

https://preview.redd.it/25rzvfp0s3081.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5ec67c576e5a13d69d463297f66ed142d4a5a0c4

[near wyvern]

It says ON THE FEAT that it is for soulblaze from any source so yeah

[hidden coral]

Yeah but

That wasn't their question lol

[normal monolith]

i wonder how they get empowered

oh

[near wyvern]

But only if they are killed by a soulblaze tick

[sinful stream]

I thought they were saying "any source of soul blaze, ie from weapon perks, or various talents"

[normal monolith]

Clang the swords together or run them across each other

[hidden coral]

Just blow some air on them

Cough if need be

[uncut hamlet]

The confusion came from whether purge staff's fire counted as soulfire or not

good that it does

[night marten]

the dot it applies does, but I don't think the direct damage counts.

[uncut hamlet]

yea thats what im getting

ascendent blaze seems a lot stronger to me than the other 2 ngl

unless youre doing the monster penance

[sinful stream]

Ok it feels like the soul blaze build was built to fail.. why would I want to clear all my warp charges if gaining warp charges over max lights random up around you. 10% chance seems real low for something that barely kills po. Walkers

[uncut hamlet]

imagine centreing your ult on the weakest part of your kit

[normal monolith]

but yea

[uncut hamlet]

10% in a horde of 60 gets all of your charges back. Add communion to it and its even more

[normal monolith]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/9/94/Nemesis_Falchions.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140825184514 they is pretty

[uncut hamlet]

ive gotten my entire 6 charges back after ulting a horde more than once

[sinful stream]

For context I'm only level 25 but I really enjoy soul blaze as a concept

Communion?

[uncut hamlet]

4% chance for a warp charge on kill by you or anyone in coherency

[near wyvern]

On heresy and damnation (4 and 5) when you take all the passive warp generation feats you can and a purge staff, you get your stacks back within 1-2 seconds of using your ability

The soulblaze does a decent job of weakening everything in front of you so that it is easy to clear a horde nearby.

[uncut hamlet]

4% from communion, 10% from them dying from burning assuming you took warp battery

do the math, i dont wanna, but its more than 14%

on a horde in heresy or damnation

youre almost guarenteed all your charges back

literally better than grenades

[sinful stream]

I'm chosing every single gle talent that involves the fire. And ideally have the perk on the force sword that crits light people up

Ok thats great to hear

[robust meteor]

its 15%

oh wrong feat

[uncut hamlet]

I personally dont like the apply 1 charge to someone nearby feat

1 charge does

negative damage

[sinful stream]

I dont really hit F right now for hordes, I use it to spam head pops but once I get this I will

Well it applies 4 stacks to one guy

It gives me dopamine to judt see someone spontaneously combust around me

[spiral remnant]

does doing penances raise the average gear rating of stuff in the shop/?

[uncut hamlet]

youre right it is 4 oops

[uncut hamlet]

no, its based on the highest power in your inventory

[spiral remnant]

huh

[uncut hamlet]

gear level

it was called power in vermintide

[sinful stream]

Thanks for all the questions answered, can't wait till I'm level 30. Excited

[blazing pecan]

is that 10% you're talking about a perk on the purgatus staff?

[uncut hamlet]

so if you have a 252 sword equipped, but you have lets say a 270 axe in your inventory, itll base it off inventory

[uncut hamlet]

no, ascendent blaze. lv 30 feat

[blazing pecan]

ahh okay

[round charm]

so is it a good idea to buy the highest level shop item then, to keep up level in your inv?

[crude cape]

So these are the talents im using with that staff + a force sword with block ranged attacks perk

But i can't decide on the level 10 Talent. Do you think the 6% peril resistance per warp charge is better than Pyskinetics Wrath for the extra damage?

the resistance should also let me block attacks with peril and build it up slower = more blocks too right? Seems better than a potential 15% damage, usually more like 5%-10%

[warm delta]

lol wtf

[robust meteor]

i like taking the +damage and toughness on quel

[near wyvern]

It's 14.24% chance to get a warp proc per soulblaze kill with psychic communion and ascendant blaze

[uncut hamlet]

I personally prefer peril resistance because it lets me use more abilities in case of an emergency, especially paired with warp battery

[unkempt juniper]

i typically take the peril per warp chage one too, it means more voidstrike spam into hordes also

[uncut hamlet]

nice

[near wyvern]

I haven't tested if they can proc at the same time cause that is a pain to test cause that's 0.4% chance.

[uncut hamlet]

Plus youre using kinetic deflection and peril resistance helps with that

prevents you from being overwhelmed

[uncut hamlet]

I would think they can because communion can proc with BB at the same time

ive gotten 2 charges from 1 BB before

[unkempt juniper]

i've been buying good rolls on bad weapons in case they get buffed later

[near wyvern]

Yup

[uncut hamlet]

this is the way to go for sure

[crude cape]

gotcha ty also @uncut hamlet, what about the lvl 5 and lvl 25 talents as well. Should I be rocking toughness on quell instead?

or perhaps 6 warp charges instead of auto-head burst? Is auto head burst + Psychic Communion (lvl 15) overkill? for me it feels like it keeps me up at 4 stacks super reliably

[warm delta]

I bought it anyway but I really doubt that I will use a gun over staff as a psyker ever

[unkempt juniper]

it's not overkill. otherwise, to get 6 stacks, i end up having to use the push and the 30 feat that makes head pops faster, but then my team has usually cleared most of the enemies.

i like to save the push bb buff for when 2-3 ogryns show up in a horde on heresy

[near wyvern]

Depends. If you have toughness regen on gaining warp charge you need the auto BB. Otherwise you can do without it.

[crude cape]

ya, when i first hit lvl 25, the 6 stacks talent felt like a no brainer. but as i used it found myself worrying about not being at 6 stacks enough and wasting time headpopping non-priority targets instead of just blasting, and found that the mindless auto-head pops every 15 seconds are just easyer to guarantee value from

[uncut hamlet]

With a void staff during a horde, youll almost always have 6 assuming communion anyway. I like battery over flayer because I run stuff that uses warp charges anyway and flayer raises my peril real quickly which doesnt let me use my fun fire as much, or BB in case of an emergency.

For 5 I run essence harvest because I get warp chrges super consistently with ascendant blaze, purge staff, and communion but I've seen all 3 used reliably.

[crude cape]

is this one good? early on i hear dsomeone say it was bad because it was over 5 seconds, so i haven't tried it much. Does it work if you're at 4 warp charges and gain one?

[uncut hamlet]

plus harvest lets me pop a quick BB if I ever really need toughness

[robust meteor]

a 6 warp build should be used when you're filling a gap in the team. maybe theres a second psyker or a vet. i think if you do go bb build, voidstaff is a must

[uncut hamlet]

I run harvest without flayer, blaze purge and communion feed me charges pretty consistently

[robust meteor]

or not a vet*

[near wyvern]

It was better in closed beta yeah

It is good if you go for a Purge staff build. You can pick all the warp generation feats there are and you will be just getting toughness back without having to worry about it.

Just don't walk in front of a rifle squad cause they will obviously obliterate you, but at least you can always hide and start BB trash if you absolutely need toughness right now.

[robust meteor]

toughness on bb just becomes a time sink if you're needing to use your ability to survive and need toughness at the same time

[near wyvern]

In heresy I absolutely needed the additional toughness given by kinetic Flayer

[crude cape]

ok cool ty, if im not running any of the "if gaining warp charge at max" perks, do I still gain 30% toughness from Essence Harvest if im at max warp stacks and BB a guy?

[uncut hamlet]

Do you run fire perks or use surge? I felt squishier on surge and that's likely why, but I can run damnation with my current built without much issue

[uncut hamlet]

yea you do

[near wyvern]

Just never use soulblaze on BB elite kill and soulblaze on extra warp charges, soulblaze is not good for damage. The only function of soulblaze atm is a chance to give more warp charges when running a purge build

[uncut hamlet]

I also run kinetic shield instead of deflection just for the ranged guys

im assuming ill be able to cc any melees that get into range of me

so harvest works even better

[tepid nest]

Take it to general.

[uncut hamlet]

We're discussing shit go away

[near wyvern]

Yeah I run all the feats that generate warp (communion, kinetic flayer, ascendent blaze) when I do Purge

[uncut hamlet]

basically yea, soulblaze is only really good at killing chaff

[ornate hamlet]

who else things brain burst needs a buff

because i think it does

[uncut hamlet]

Do you think %max hp on soulblaze would be a good idea?

[ornate hamlet]

it literally makes psykers whole idea of being a elite targeter fucking useless

[uncut hamlet]

A full rework of its mechanics might be better. It definitely needs something right now, its shit

[ornate hamlet]

because of how weak it is

[ornate hamlet]

make it either do more damage and be more worth it or faster

[uncut hamlet]

I tried flayer for a bit, just didnt feel good to me because of how fast I gained peril

[crude cape]

ok cool, when you say purge build you mean purgatis staff, flamer?

[tall mesa]

it's not weak overall. it's just weaker than vets by a whole world.

[near wyvern]

If it is %max hp it will take the same amount of time to kill a trash than a crusher so I don't think that's the way to go

[ornate hamlet]

fucking stupid

it really is

[robust meteor]

i think psyker is fine. some of the other classes need nerfed

[vivid merlin]

make brain burst affect friendly targets

[uncut hamlet]

Saw a suggestion on the subreddit for a dot BB instead. It would take the same amount of time to do the same amount of BB damage, but would let you channel it less for chaff or more for elites

[vivid merlin]

it won't make it better I'll just have more fun

[tall mesa]

deal with it noob.

[ornate hamlet]

so like charge it for the equivelent of damage

[uncut hamlet]

That's true. What if it was % current, and soulfire perks changes to death during soulfire rather than by it?

[ornate hamlet]

i can kind of get behind that

[near wyvern]

Yep

[ornate hamlet]

but if i charge it fully i should fucking give a mauler and at that a ogryn of some kind a fucking stroke

[uncut hamlet]

basically yea, it sounded good to me

[vivid merlin]

isn't this the current behaviour (despite what the tool tip says)

[uncut hamlet]

huge CC on completion would be a good idea too I think

[uncut hamlet]

no

[vivid merlin]

regarding the death during part

[uncut hamlet]

has to be by soulfire

not during

[ornate hamlet]

yeah

but like i said

it needs to be powerful

[crude cape]

from my testing flame dots and soulblaze didn't proc the auto-head pop talent. so im not even sure it works (making soulblaze even weaker lol). i tested it a few times in the meat grinder and could not get the dot ticks to proc it, maybe 1 week ago unless it was updated since

i love the idea of soulblaze and shouting to spread dots everywhere, but it feels really weak i agree the dmg is like nothing

[mystic burrow]

friendly fire would've been nice, every time zealot or vet shit talks me I can just kill them 🙂

[uncut hamlet]

I would be fine if they cemented psyker's current identity as a support with elite killing as a backup honestly

by increasing the BB CC in some way

[night marten]

dots don't, but any direct damage does (from purg flames or otherwise)

[ornate hamlet]

like i felt the whole point of psyker was supposed to be similar to bounty hunter from VMT2 because bounty hunter was a elite killer

[civic tendon]

AOE on BB makes sense. Enemies scared like "Holy fuck" effect

[tepid nest]

Let me introduce you to the explosive barrels 🙂

[vivid merlin]

considering the fact that you are literally yourself "cced" while channeling brain burst having it also cc the target for the duration seems fair

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but better than just only getting soul fire on enemies when you kill an elite

[vivid merlin]

I am literally removing myself from gameplay for 2 seconds

[compact cargo]

4*

4 painful seconds

[uncut hamlet]

its aura suggested so yea

[vivid merlin]

is it 4 I never hardcast bb anymore unless I absolutely have to

[uncut hamlet]

but it turned out to be worse at it than vet

and turned into more cc/horde/support

[ornate hamlet]

exactly i would like that PLEASE
because im that kind of play style

i remember in the closed beta it was alot more OP

[near wyvern]

What soulblaze absolutely needs is a major change for the damage curve. Basically what is now the damage for 4, 8, 12 and 16 stacks should become the damage of 1, 2, 3 and 4 stacks and then just cap it at 4 or 6 stacks globally.

[compact cargo]

Only use it on runaway specials and to keep 6 warp charges atm, maybe vs a boss

[runic gate]

What did you end up doing

[tepid nest]

I think we'll see some big balance patches in the next few months. It's nice to know that a nerf isn't going to hit Psyker at the least.

[civic tendon]

I BB ranged in big rooms or when the team is pinned down

[uncut hamlet]

Try vet, Im having a lotta fun with it too when im tired of burning heretics to a crisp using warpfire

[vivid merlin]

it's still wack that the best way to handle the core mechanic of the class is to ignore it as much as possible

[uncut hamlet]

fr

[ornate hamlet]

eh not my thing i tried it

it feels off for me

[uncut hamlet]

dont try to upkeep with BB, just trust itll come when it comes

[vivid merlin]

fingers crossed its on some fatshark game design dev's plate this week

Psyker is extremely unfinished

[uncut hamlet]

psykinetics wrath feels balanced but weird for the theme

Psyker: "maniacal laughter as they breach into the warp"
Mauler: Stumbles a bit

[ornate hamlet]

also they showed a fucking two handed force sword in the trailer for psyker and NOTHING BASE GAME

REEEE

[vivid merlin]

I love it but when you play it you really feel like something is palpably wrong

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/rare-reeeeee-dank-meme-triggered-gif-24062717

[civic tendon]

When I watch vet gameplay I understand why it's a well liked class. Most people are dumb and don't like to think. Pewpew classes are popular

[vivid merlin]

or maybe the disjointedness and disharmony and ineffectiveness of the talents are in and of themselves an incarnation of the Psyker identity

[uncut hamlet]

Some of the trouble I have playing as zealot or psyker is ranged ppl

[mystic burrow]

Most vets I've seen can't be bothered to switch to melee when they're attacked and they just take the hits ...
pretty much 80% of the games vets are the first to go down

[uncut hamlet]

it feels good being able to stand in front of a firing squad and take them all out 1 by 1

[vivid merlin]

veterans are the new elves

[uncut hamlet]

Those are the shit vets. I've seen people in the vet chat try and argue for another ranged weapon in the melee slot, and they would rather bash 20 times to kill a pox than just thwack it with a shovel

[compact cargo]

BB:1200 damage, 4 seconds
Zealot: 3125 damage (no enemy with more HP to test), 3 seconds
Veteran:

[vivid merlin]

this post brought to you by fuegonasus gang

[uncut hamlet]

the game just isnt balanced for pure range

[opaque temple]

single target damage is the area in which psykers are lacking

if we could do as much single target DPS as a veteran we would invalidate their existence

[uncut hamlet]

For larger elites at least. Theres still the issue that bolter can kill a crusher faster than you can charge BB

[compact cargo]

DoT bad too

[civic tendon]

Axe psykers will become a thing imo

High level axe one shots most specials

[vivid merlin]

it kind of hinges on a broken trait

the horde clear part of it

[compact cargo]

only class where DoT doesn't work

[vivid merlin]

I'm leery of getting accustomed to it

[restive slate]

I saw many of those on easier difficulties, made me cringe. Stayed on higher levels as soon as I leveled

[opaque temple]

BB damage needs tweaking and the class will feel MUCH better

[uncut hamlet]

I love the idea of psyker. I want to be a space wizard pulling power from hell, and it was my first class made. I had over 50 missions on it before I even started a vet. Just wish it was better made

Vet and zealot feel most completed

[civic tendon]

What's ogryn chat like? I'm afraid to join. I don't want to be dissapointed

[uncut hamlet]

They feel stronger as well, but I dont think that's due to overtuning

[vivid merlin]

they have roleplayers in there

[uncut hamlet]

I think its because theyre closer to being finished classes

[opaque temple]

all about rolls and stats IME

[vivid merlin]

if that's what you want

[uncut hamlet]

while psyker and ogryns are

less so

[night marten]

soulblaze too imo (as a purge staff enjoyer)

[uncut hamlet]

they had roles intended but werent full fleshed out

[restive slate]

Ogryns having smart discussions

[vivid merlin]

Empras new war, pal,