psyker-class

[night storm]

Gotcha, thank you all very much. I appreciate the help in understanding their role. Loving this game just trying to become more helpful to teams

[hexed viper]

anything BUT having a 5 second charge up. that's just idiotic

[burnt rampart]

But they have no cleave and are glacial slow

[weak galleon]

Axe Mk5 with Kinetic Deflection, running 0 stamina due to push attack chaining during hordes.
havent' seen anything better.

it's actually a damage powerhouse option for a Psyker.

[ruby karma]

hahaha, I liked the one someone mentioned, where Warp charges would make BB deal more dam/channel faster.

[gilded hatch]

cleave combat axe is probably better on lower difficulty. on haz4 of haz5 finesse combat axes are better bec ause you need to hit the weak spots of enemies / elites to actually do damage

[ruby karma]

Lets just all accept it. We are baby psykers. Not even strong enough to light a candle :)

[native thorn]

My favorite idea is cast time scales along down as you quell, resetting on bb

[hexed viper]

kinetic barrage is all you need to charge speed and stuff on bb, honestly bb should give you a charge even if you don't kill the target

[bleak sonnet]

i use mkv on haz 5 with 0 issues

[weak galleon]

Mk5 is casually doing 250 dmg with light body hits for single targets.
And smth like 160-170 for cleaving attack.

[gilded hatch]

sounds as a interesting build, i have to say. going to try that out. you replace stamina for block with peril, so you have more stamina for your axe. kinda interesting

[formal spear]

Anyone also never see the force sword in shop even at level 19 or just me?

[clever elk]

Is this any good?

[raw breach]

It's def. not 370+ Deflector/Exorcist, but it's not terrible. Shred is 4% x5 for 20% crit chance, riposte is meh but still another 4% crit

[hexed viper]

low damage, warp res, and quell

[native thorn]

Pair it with quietude so all that block peril converts into toughness

[ruby karma]

Ill wait then. Hope I can get a 360+ base in my shop to craft up.

[gilded hatch]

which staff do you combine with your mk v?

[weak galleon]

It's not about having more stamina for your axe.
it's about not being murdered in melee permanently running at 0 stamina during hordes
you use staming to murder hordes with push attack, that you can spam as soon as previous push attack animation ends.
Your peril replaces your stamina for blocking.
this is by far one of the 2 strongest psyker melee builds I've tried so far, 2nd being Deflector Force Sword, probably.

[lunar garden]

Sup, witch cunts. How are ya'll doing?

[bleak sonnet]

whatever im in the mood for

honestly the axe is so effective at killing most things i don't use the staff much, just axe and ult cast speed BB

surge maybe for when there's crusher packs that I can cc

[pine iris]

emporer, please - no more combat axes

[gilded hatch]

the push attack with combat axe is great indeed. however i prefer the deflector on the force sword. live savor

[night storm]

So are you playing in melee range for most of the matches? Just using bb on specials?

[raw breach]

Probably similar to the Zealots Combat Blade III build where you'd spam push attacks for higher/faster damage than heavy attacks

[pine iris]

high level combat axe + high warp resistance purg, nice

[bleak sonnet]

pretty much

[weak galleon]

Plus due to how passive peril quell works, with that build you can facetank Demonhost, for some time.

[bleak sonnet]

i play my psyker like i play my zealot lol

[lunar garden]

I use surge against armour mainly

[sturdy cypress]

is +1 wound this most you can get on a curio atm ?

[weak galleon]

or almost forever, depending on how much free space you got to dodge around

[night storm]

I was going to say it sounds like you are a zealot main lmao

[autumn lark]

Also the way i play psyker except when i have high ground or a vantage point then i will spam my staff

[gilded hatch]

sounds great, actually. can you dm me your build and feats?

[lunar garden]

Surge is cool with the head bombing trait

[bleak sonnet]

i did this today

[night storm]

Which staff do you use?

[bleak sonnet]

you can tank full combo then dodge

[lunar garden]

10% chance is still low but I can work with it

[autumn lark]

Trauma

Im still low level

[weak galleon]

I can stream even, prolly. will be faster to explain it all.

[olive ember]

yeah swap that out for literally any other staff the moment you get it

[native thorn]

You'll get there soon, sibling

[weak galleon]

Then you dont have a staff. Use a gun. Sad, but true.

[lunar garden]

Void strike is good against hordes

[gilded hatch]

thats cool. never heard of your build. most people only talk how amazing their surge staff is

[vale viper]

Can someone give me an order of Best staves from best to worst?
Obviously it starts with Zap Staff then what?

[lunar garden]

Heads hits all the way

[native thorn]

Of they're that low level they can use a shovel and it'll work

[weak galleon]

@gilded hatch strike team 8 please, i'll just show you.

[bleak sonnet]

purge = surge > void > trauma

[gilded hatch]

your best staff depends on your playstyle. what is your playstyle?

[native thorn]

Missing a few > between void and trauma tbh

[gilded hatch]

melee, ranged? strategic (killing specials, targets) or hord clear

support and so on

[bleak sonnet]

i have a high warp resist trauma that i use fairly often

i dont think its as bad as people make it out to be

[weak galleon]

naah, they are all pretty good.
But I agree Purge is +- on par currently, could use a slight buff maybe.

[vale viper]

Support elite killer a thing?

[native thorn]

to be fair you just said you spend most of your time chopping things with an axe

[bleak sonnet]

definitely

axe is the best weapon a psyker can use

[hybrid thicket]

which axe

[bleak sonnet]

i wish i could throw my axe

[lunar garden]

Axe?

[bleak sonnet]

i would do that instead of use a staff

[lunar garden]

You should play other class instead

[stoic pendant]

But does it make a cool noise/animation when you use the special attack?

[bleak sonnet]

this is my axe

it is very bad

[lunar garden]

Whats the point of having so many staves options if you are not gonna use them?

[bleak sonnet]

i clear t5 with it because axe is op

[vale viper]

No its not?

[hybrid thicket]

are most of the moves single target

[bitter abyss]

is there any way to not get hit by the Daemonhost and not be an ogryn with the planted shield?

[native thorn]

janktank psyker

[lunar garden]

Dodge around a pilar

[bleak sonnet]

this is my dueling sword, i no longer use this mastercrafted 380 base stat dueling sword in favor of a blue axe with bad stats

[autumn lark]

Still dont know what the special attack of the axe does

[night storm]

what makes this axe so good? I don't understand.

[lunar garden]

Depends it can be a Push and dodge backwards

Staggers pretty well

[stiff maple]

Attack pattern, armor pen, damage

Special attack staggers the armored ones ez

[native thorn]

also psyker's generally poor access to horde clear melee

[stiff maple]

Push attack is awesome too

[lunar garden]

Horde clear = voidstrike

Or surge

[native thorn]

surge is horde stop

[bleak sonnet]

surge hits like5 dudes

idk what horde consists of 5 dudes

[lunar garden]

Basically voidstrike is hand held artillery

[bleak sonnet]

and in what world you'd not want to kill them

faster than surge

[native thorn]

to be fair surge does damage to more than just the enemies who get the stun

[lunar garden]

Sibling, eat my ass.

[native thorn]

I'm not saying it's gonna murder things

[lunar garden]

Surge is good against Armour, but it's pretty bad damage.

[native thorn]

Just that the damage chains further than what people might first assume

[ornate hamlet]

does damage even matter for purge staff really?

[bleak sonnet]

this is why axe is good

[lunar garden]

No, cause it mostly stuns

[olive ember]

thate the surge staff, purge staff is the flame thrower

[native thorn]

purge staff's main job is still cc

[bleak sonnet]

dueling sword for comparison

[wispy charm]

Thats so much more damage than my force sword

[ornate hamlet]

think he meant staggers

[night storm]

So you just light attack spam the axe on everything? love that

[native thorn]

It's just cc'ing big hordes of trash instead of focus cc elites

[bleak sonnet]

force sword can kill crushers very fast

[olive ember]

either a zealot with high block weapon or a psyker with deflector imo, dunno if vet has any high block weapon

[bleak sonnet]

1 dmg btw.

[lean plinth]

psyker is the best class right?

[stoic pendant]

Yes

[shadow quail]

Heresy

[native thorn]

for what?

[wispy charm]

vets is probably the best

[lean plinth]

for like everything

like just straight up the best

[bleak sonnet]

vet would be the best but vet players are brain damaged usually

[lean plinth]

whats a vet?

the sword dude?

[ornate hamlet]

veteran-sharpshooter

[stoic pendant]

Veterinarian

[autumn lark]

Just use the weapons you enjoy using

[wispy charm]

veteran john gun guy

[lean plinth]

oh the sharpie

[bleak sonnet]

vegetable

[lean plinth]

the "eveyone picks this class because its vanilla"

[ornate hamlet]

no, chocolate

[native thorn]

nah they pick it for headshots

[stoic pendant]

I say pysker is the most fun

[olive ember]

Psyker provides the utility so the vet can kill things even more efficiently

[lunar garden]

Fuck vets

[hybrid thicket]

bruh lol

[lunar garden]

We are better pur kit just needs balancing

[bleak sonnet]

there's a certain vet i will not name who hangs out in strike team 100

[stoic pendant]

Pysker turns elites/specials heads blue so vets can easily target them

[hybrid thicket]

throwin shade i see haha

[tidal kernel]

veteran here, can confirm im brain damaged, still very annoyed when i get hit a million times while in melee when i shouldn't be

[main jay]

What curios do you focus on? Toughness or HP?

[shadow quail]

toughness

[native thorn]

making a strong case for surge staff here lmao

[lean plinth]

toughness regnerates

[bleak sonnet]

corruption resistance

[ornate hamlet]

ordo dockets

[lean plinth]

how come vets want a scoreboard

[shadow quail]

so they see green circles

[olive ember]

is corruption from grimoires % based or is it just a flat hp amount

[bleak sonnet]

there's one for both

[lean plinth]

Its 1 tick of HP bar

[bleak sonnet]

get the one that says "x% corruption resistance" without anything else

[olive ember]

because I swear I'm down to like 1/3 of my health and the ogryn sitting there with like 4/5

[lean plinth]

honestly the fact this game doesnt explain a lot of it I donno

like what is wound??

[bleak sonnet]

how many downs u have

[ornate hamlet]

health segments

[shadow quail]

more downs/grims

[lean plinth]

yeah exactly

[ornate hamlet]

+1 wound gives you one more segment in missions

[lean plinth]

but it doesnt give more hp right

[olive ember]

I have like +2 wounds but it doesn't mean much when the grim takes me down to 1 bar

[bleak sonnet]

no

that's what +hp does

[zinc skiff]

Wounds are how many times you can be downed and brought back up before dying. Grims don't care about your number of wounds.

Or, they didn't.

[lean plinth]

game needs a tutorial/manual called the grimore

[shadow quail]

is grim % of HP then?

[stoic pendant]

Everytime you go down, one segment turns purple

[prisma minnow]

whats been your experience with randos in t3?

[olive ember]

so I was wondering if I should bother with max hp or not and if that helps with the grim corruption

[olive ember]

the same as every other difficulty, you got some good, mostly shitters

just that the bar is raised the higher difficulty you go

[native thorn]

eve if people aren't properly taking advantage of the utility, you can still prevent a ton of damage from hitting the team

[prisma minnow]

didn't mean to reply to you directly but thanks for reply

[olive ember]

so "good" in t3 suddenly becomes "shit" in t4

[zinc skiff]

I don't think grims are % based. I think they're a flat HP amount. I'm not positive about this though.

Grims seem to take way less of my overall HP on my Zealot who has like.. 285 hp

[olive ember]

thats what I thought so i'm thinking of just stacking max hp

but idk

[hybrid thicket]

after going in meat grinder, can confirm on L4 combat axe is stupid strong

[stoic pendant]

But can it stop bullets?

[olive ember]

I legit just hard tilted because I died with a grim on me because the corruption just nullified all my downs, like literally didn't get hit once, my team didn't ping the burster, was preoccupied by a dog and just fucking died

one and done

fucking seething

[bleak sonnet]

grimoire

moment

is there even any incentive to picking up a grim

other than weeklies

[stoic pendant]

Just weeklies

[olive ember]

not rly, but it gives me more money and exp so if I think i can handle it why not

also depends on mood

[stoic pendant]

You get more xp which is nice

[zinc skiff]

Weeklies, and a slight bit of extra coinz and xp

[olive ember]

half the time i couldn't give two shits

[zinc skiff]

So.. only really worth it while leveling or if you really need them sheckles

[olive ember]

yep

which once you get high enough level and have decent enough gear you have way too much money

I legit have enough money on my psyker to by the 165k hood twice over

[vernal imp]

You get so much money though, and xp does nothing at 30 which is great

[shadow quail]

i always swap the grim one

[native thorn]

Grims need to boost emperor's gift chance or something

[olive ember]

oh yeah same I swap the scriptures grims and the stupid "complete side missions on specific map"

[vernal imp]

Grims are just too much of a pain cause of the constant ticking corruption damage

[zinc skiff]

It's also not bad for a challenge, but I feel like that's more for premade groups.

I wouldn't want to subject a random group to that just for the sake of it.

[bleak sonnet]

i do the scrips one

[thorn sphinx]

u guys seen the new animation canceling with the surge staff?

[shadow quail]

yeah

[bleak sonnet]

because 580 is a lot of chucky cheez coins

[shadow quail]

Been saying it a lot in here, not sure if people know about it or not

[zinc skiff]

Oh?

[olive ember]

It just rly isn't fun because with grims you have to basically speed run the game, and the toughness in this game doesn't translate 1 to 1 as overheal in vermintide

[shadow quail]

cast surge then swap weapon immedietly or sprint

[thorn sphinx]

swapping to melee is rly good cuz enemies stay stunned

[bleak sonnet]

we were talking ab that last night here

[thorn sphinx]

while you smash them

[bleak sonnet]

yeah

[olive ember]

best way to grind diamantine is just on malice right

[shadow quail]

you can really pump out loads of CC, lol

[olive ember]

I remember doing it on heresy and it wasn't worth the time or the effort compared to the ez 35-50 you can get on malice

[rapid frigate]

Also if the carrier dies i think they just disappear instead of letting someone else pick them up

[stoic pendant]

Ya

[tight saddle]

It's funny fighting multiple elites and your team is frantically trying to get to you, but you're sitting there trying to find the right angle to headshot them, taking your sweet old time, because they're permanently stunned and can't do anything to you.

[vernal imp]

Yup, just too much of a pain to attempt with randoms that I just reroll it, because a LOT of people dont know about the ticking damage and take their time, then wonder why they two-shot on 2

[flint plover]

is the stun duration on surge staffs constant? or is it based on a stat?

[vernal imp]

Its constant, and charging doesnt make it last longer

[raw breach]

Honestly, I reroll the grim weekly and anything with "Do X amount of secondary objectives on this map". Unless there's some hidden bonus it gives to emperor's gift chance, they're going to have to rework grims to for me to actually bother picking them up

[flint plover]

sweet, ty

[shadow quail]

spam it while animation cancelling can lock down whole rooms

[native thorn]

only time surge charging is really worth it is if you're hiding behind cover anyway

[vernal imp]

Or if you really need to kill something thats behind cover, locking onto enemies behind walls is great

[night marten]

not to mention they don't count half the time

[warm delta]

I am using this, is this blessing any good? I have no idea what suppress enemy mean

[night marten]

always reroll scriptures, grims, and secondary objective weeklies. they're all kinda trash

[celest hedge]

terrifying barrage I think is for a staff

[vernal imp]

scriptures do not reroll, they always give you a LOT of the currency and they're really just free and easy

[vivid merlin]

did weeklies reset today

[vernal imp]

yep

[native thorn]

Biggest issue with grims is risk reward tbh

[paper seal]

me, using 3 curios with grim corruption resistance

[native thorn]

they make the mission much harder and just kinda

don't give you shit

[celest hedge]

suppression is the mechanic where if you shoot an an enemy, they stay in cover and move slowly, which also happens towards you. It's basically adds a bit of crowd control to your staff in close range

[shadow quail]

I just reroll it and usually get melee kills or something, much better

[native thorn]

grims in VT being tied to loot felt great

[vivid merlin]

yay something to get on after I've finished with the day's labour (it honours the emperor)

[vernal imp]

thats the main thing for me honestly, same rewards as scripture ones and the rewards don't matter after a few heresy games at 30

ironically the hardest thing in this game to grind for is plasteel

[dim pier]

Assuming they’re additive I’m trying to get an 80+% corruption resist curio set, assuming it even gets that high

With stacked corruption resist+grimoire resist

[vivid merlin]

why not just get a maxhp stack

[stoic pendant]

I like smacking dudes with the scriptures. Too much fun.

[vivid merlin]

for a more universal benefit

grimoire damage for some reason isn't % based

[dim pier]

Memes mostly.

[native thorn]

excess money and meme builds are fun

[raw breach]

In Vermintide, grims and tomes actually affected the loot you got. But there's no logic to the Emperor's gift afaik, it's just random?

[celest hedge]

So shooting in the direction of an enemy will force them into cover and stop them from poking their head out, so barrage in this case will cause enemies near you to trip and stumble and stuff

[warm delta]

oh that, thanks for the clarification, then I guess it's a good blessing for the Purgatus staff?

[vivid merlin]

oh OK

[celest hedge]

It’s the blessing I want the most for one

[autumn lark]

Loot drops just dont exist in darktide

[lean plinth]

emperor's gift is a joke though

[strange sage]

or I could just Voidstrike the horde to death (sometimes helped by another psyker stunning some of the faster ones via Surge alt attack)

[vernal imp]

yeah it's pretty good, hard to notice like other blessings on other staffs (ie transfer peril on voidstrike)

[celest hedge]

I hear people think that killing the demon host increases the chance of getting an item after a run

[lean plinth]

im glad they got rid of RNG lootboxes but the 1 hour refresh RNG shop isn't better

[shadow quail]

Fair enough but we was talking about using surge 🤷‍♂️

[celest hedge]

I’d much rather have verm 2 item system

[vernal imp]

at least with the lootboxes we could farm them on a character we liked and played, use them on characters we didnt play, accountwide progress was great

[lean plinth]

you have verm 2 item system though I thought? Just without the rewards after missions

[snow dust]

Honestly the RNG shop is basically just another RNG lootbox, just time based.

[strange sage]

Emperor's Gift for me is rather okay as it gives me Curios instead of rather useless weapons (cause the weapons are generally worse then the ones I have equipped)

[lean plinth]

yeah exactly, its a 1 hour lootbox lmao

and its trash

[native thorn]

Inquisitorial gacha

[vernal imp]

and for us psykers 60% of our hourly lootbox is full of autoguns and laspistols

[raw breach]

imagine all the shared weapons in this game and being able to use them on any character

[celest hedge]

Rerolling for perks and blessings in verm 2 is nicer than the planned system tbey have here

[lean plinth]

its clera the game is padding time so they can get their systems in place and sell people stuff as a hold over until they can get even more stuff in

[warm delta]

nah, 90%

[dim pier]

staring at the armory for 4 hours straight I CAN STOP WHENEVER I WANT

[native thorn]

nah, loot box content was determined by the class that opened it

[dusk pilot]

Then you get this

[vernal imp]

sometimes the store gives you 6 autoguns and a bunch of mk5 dueling swords, and the one force sword available is this

[heady bramble]

pick up 25 scriptures weekly
no scripture missions for 3 hours

[lean plinth]

did you buy and upgrade it?

[dusk pilot]

Not my image

[celest hedge]

Scriptures feel too unreliable since if you get disconnected while you’re holding one and connect back, you’ll spawn back in with your scripture dropped, and randoms almost never pick it up, and you’re usually always in a point of no return

[vernal imp]

i've just done 4 missions in a row with scriptures, speedran them, all 3, 0 progress on the weekly and i want to get brain bursted rn

[raw breach]

yeah, i know, but things like charms and trinkets were still shared no matter who opened it. so imagine in this game because of all of the shared weapons that multiple characters could use and how powerful shared inventories would be.

[undone ore]

anyone have suggestions for what staff i should run on higher difficulties? Ive had good luck with the flame staff but dont really see if being super good at higher tiers

[bleak sonnet]

trauma

[vernal imp]

voidstrike with transfer peril, or surge

[raw breach]

Surge or Void

[vernal imp]

nothing quite hitting a horde while at 60% peril and then going to 10%

[cold oasis]

Surge 99% of the time

[bleak sonnet]

nothing quite like hitting a horde while at 60% peril and then going to 100%

[cold oasis]

Unless you have a second Psyker in team that's running it, then use the flamer staff

[tacit fractal]

Try all 3 choose which one and what build. For real all of them are good

[vernal imp]

i like the flame one, but voidstrike imo feels like it does the same job but better? idk

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus is amazing, void strike slaps, surge is shocking

[cold oasis]

While all the staffs are great, on difficulty 4/5 you do need Surge to stop you/your team getting utterly destroyed by random shooting mobs

[native thorn]

flame's better for controlling hordes

[tacit fractal]

Depends on your build, I use Purgatus because I use kinetic flayer so it fits more for more situations

[worthy wasp]

Pushing controls hordes too

[worn jewel]

That...hasn't been fixed?

[tacit fractal]

Spreaded hordes

[native thorn]

^

[tacit fractal]

Void is WAY stronger in chokes

[native thorn]

Ew then I have to get close to the infected

[karmic ivy]

whats a flash mission?

[celest hedge]

Purge has less range but it still hits a good area, and you can keep a charges hit going for a long time

[raw breach]

oh, no i was answering the dude above me who was asking. I already have my own opinions on which staff leaves the rest stunned by its superior performance

[celest hedge]

Or do a bunch of small charged hits

[vernal imp]

ahh right, at least there's some reason to use purgatus, like i don't think it IS weak unlike a lot of ogryn guns

[native thorn]

dw we got trauma to fill that role

[vernal imp]

god all they need to do, to make trauma good is reduce the cost of it

[strange sage]

Trauma is a good stopgap till you get a better staff (namely any of the other three)

[tacit fractal]

Every psyker agrees trauma’s the child you abandon when you get an another child that’s 30x more successful am I right siblings?

[elder rivet]

75%-70%, do you thinks I kept it or not ? (even if the bless is not so good but I can always switch it when they will release the option)
vote in reaction

[native thorn]

I kinda feel like trauma doesn't perform as well as conflag did

[karmic ivy]

What is a flash mission, i need it to unlock the helmet

[raw breach]

If they made Trauma staff Corusc staff that left flame patches, do you have any idea how many happy reformed fire addicts we would have?

[stoic pendant]

It's great for learning how to use a staff

[cold oasis]

That bless is literally the best for Purgatus

[celest hedge]

Trauma’s worth it jusy for the quell speed

[jolly karma]

The staff gets tricky for newcomers to the staff. Got me a few times

[native thorn]

but you can only use the peril on more trauma

[jolly karma]

I think it's beacuse it's less forgiving with max peril

[tacit fractal]

It has faster quell than other staves what?

[jolly karma]

I didn't know that.

[celest hedge]

No, but a staff quell is better than a non staff quell

[jolly karma]

Oh yeah

What about sword?

[vernal imp]

i'd like more base stats, but it's very good and worth keeping until you get real lucky with the blessing on a new one

[strange sage]

I don't know but my guess would be to complete the mission really quickly...

[tacit fractal]

Force sword is the cake

[celest hedge]

i don'tk now about the sword, I think not since it doesn't have a quell speed stat

[cold oasis]

Force Sword to spam first part block push

[lean plinth]

i cannot read baguette

[cold oasis]

It's literally infinite stun aoe around you

[vernal imp]

force sword is great but man i really love the mk4 dueling sword

[jolly karma]

Peril builds tho

No?

[cold oasis]

No

Just the first part

[jolly karma]

Or is it only on 2nd stage of that

ooooooh good to know

[cold oasis]

Click only once, do not do the push

[undone ore]

the dueling sword is just so much fun

[worthy wasp]

What I started doing since I run Antax MkV.....

I never actually actively quell. Like, I'll to or near 100% peril then just swap to the Antax and I can keep fighting while quelling

[cold oasis]

It's like the animation where you close your fist

[dim pier]

Someone mentioned the sword quell has a hidden modifier? But it’s still better than quelling with brain burst cuz of the dodge bonuses

[jolly karma]

Yeah I often fail to even push when I want to. Just bad execution. Probably cause I'm trash

[elder rivet]

do with the picture, it's same for everyone, placement didn't chance, the bless is run & shoot idk the english name of this one

[tacit fractal]

Do you also dash like a sliding monkey with it?

[cold oasis]

Yep

[tacit fractal]

MY MAN

[vernal imp]

damn straight i do, the dodges and slides are great

[jolly karma]

Dude I can NOT get it down. Can psyker slidemonkey just as well as the rest, or are they worse?

[cold oasis]

I think it got buffed since beta, it's now exceptionally good

[vernal imp]

• the stabs are fun, speed, lights are all anti horde attacks

[jolly karma]

The cadence is weird with the slashing of a combat knife.

[celest hedge]

why wouldn't I pointless dodge left and right when I fight

[jolly karma]

Can psyker do it as well as zealot?

[raw breach]

Same playstyle with Force Sword w/ Exorcist on it

[cold oasis]

The real problem is the horde clear with it

since it's Light attack>heavy attack>block cancel>reapet

[vernal imp]

the combat knife slide is instant, but the dueling sword is slightly after you attack so its not the same time

[strange sage]

you can't be trash, that is a role given to the Atoman Heretics we purge in the name of the God Emperor's most holy Inquisition

[jolly karma]

@cold oasis you should've seen that orange sword earlier, that thing was monster

[tacit fractal]

SIBLINGS I NEED TO TELL YOU ALL I outran a fucking mutant with dueling sword

[jolly karma]

Pro horde clearer for psykers, which I think they really miss out on (for balance ofc) which is why I like that surge staff

[strange sage]

I too did that one but it was with a Combat Knife

[dim pier]

Their unique weapons are actually better for being a dodge spamming nerd, force sword and dueling sword(?) both have infinite dodges and have a higher dodge distance than Zealot’s unique stuff

[cold oasis]

Like honestly all you need on a Force Sword is the Talent and a close to maxed Mobility

[jolly karma]

Wowwww okay

I need to do some shopping

my psyker's been level 30 but has the equipment of a 16 -_-

[cold oasis]

Psyker is in a wierd stop

[dim pier]

I’m pretty sure shared weapons have the same stat grouping across classes

[raw breach]

I wonder if we started a petition to make the Trauma Staff leave Flame patches like Coruscation Staff, would they would listen?

[cold oasis]

i do hope they change Warp Charges or thhe talents

[jolly karma]

I think it needs the other classes more than any other hero/race etc

[vernal imp]

i just want a force sword with deflector, i haven't gotten any force swords in the shop since i was level 15 i swear

[jolly karma]

like that soul burn garbage? plsssss

[cold oasis]

You literally have no choice of talents

[jolly karma]

I tried so hard to make it work

It just doesn't

[cold oasis]

Since they're all shit

Problem is, after you hit difficulty 4, you forget about brain burst

[olive ember]

Thats been my idea for weeks! tho I think it should leave like a slowing grav field instead

[cold oasis]

It doesn't kill shit anymore

[jolly karma]

That's ability to block range, or does it actually shoot back?

[celest hedge]

I think they should just make the chance to get a warp charge on any kill base kit, that would chance so much

[vernal imp]

i've forgotten about bb since i got a staff

[vernal imp]

block ranged

[celest hedge]

leave the ability to get warp charges on teammate kill it's own feat, that along would still be worth taking

[jolly karma]

Ah yeah I like that about force sword

[cold oasis]

I'm pretty sure it's bugged too

it's not causing Peril to build up either

Problem is, Psykinetic's Aura is so op

That you gotta take thhat

and that it's probably the only talent that you have a choice on

[celest hedge]

psyknetic's aura looks nice but I can't dream of a world where I odn't take communion, it's super game changing

[raw breach]

The whole point of leaving flame patches instead of a slowing grav field would be for it to apply Soulblaze for Ascending Blaze synergy

[cold oasis]

Honestly, making your Veteran spam the everliving shit out of their F

[tacit fractal]

3 things I want to see from a patch on Psyker,
1: mk IV dueling sword move kit for Force sword
2: MAKE WARP CHARGES LEAVE ONE PER CHARGE OR EXTEND IT’S DURATION
3: BB needs to be more relevant after seeing a Vet using Volley Fire feat to take out 60% from a Plague Ogryn :(

[cold oasis]

Is much better than the warp charges

as much as i hate it 😦

Warp charges should be 1 per chahrge

[celest hedge]

you don't have to BB trash mobs just to to build and maintain charges, which is good if you're going to be using your staff for an extended period of time, like the purge staff

[cold oasis]

same as BB, needs to be scaling on difficulty 4 and 5

[celest hedge]

plus it also makes essence harvest a viable level 5 pick

[cold oasis]

The problem is always the same, untill t3 everything is gucci

[tacit fractal]

That

[worthy wasp]

If warp charges fell off 1 at a time then keeping em up all game would be trivial lol

[cold oasis]

after that, you really can't be spamming BB on difficulty 4

You just can't keep charges up

[jolly karma]

Maybe just slow 'er down a bit edit: the warpcharge drop-off

You can if you hit 1hit KOs

[cold oasis]

I mean, jesus, half our talents are about not generating Warp Charges and using them at max

at this point those talents are utterly shit

[tacit fractal]

Actually yeah, true let me rephrase, they should extend the duration by 5-10 seconds

[jolly karma]

Yeah exactly

[celest hedge]

25 is the sweet spot of being able to not think about getting another charge to reset the clock for awhile, it'd suck alot if it was less time, but you really really want a few extra seconds

[jolly karma]

Slow 'er down a bit

[cold oasis]

I mean, like, Kinetic Overload on 25

[vernal imp]

honestly, BB just takes WAY Too long to cast

its so slow where you could just use your staff

[cold oasis]

"Great i don't get charges and i give weak-ass debuffs on enemies"

Same for all the level 30 talents

[celest hedge]

BB takes a bit to cast but it's worth it for the amount of stuff you can kill with a single burst, not counting diff 4 and 5

[jolly karma]

Though I do think psyker's bb is still valid on nurgle/daemonhost at high levels

[cold oasis]

Stuck using Kinetic Barrage just because everything else is as shit

[jolly karma]

Just cause it's hard to hit

[raw breach]

There was a reason people defaulted to the Outcast Engineer talent that made his charges do the same thing and definitely wasn't a mechanic I was hoping to have to deal with again

[celest hedge]

I think giving BB a simple 15/20% casting speed boost would put it into a nice spot

[jolly karma]

You can't do it flat like that

that would be huge

Maybe weapon modifiers

[cold oasis]

I mean it isn't

[tacit fractal]

I use 212132 build iirc with Purgatus just so I can be a really stupidly strong tank

[jolly karma]

er, like a curio, not weapon*

[cold oasis]

25% faster with Kinetic Barrage and it's still terrible

[jolly karma]

Sorry someone BB'd me

25% with a 15% higher base would be significantly faster

it compounds, not dilutes.

Multiplication

[cold oasis]

I mean, again, all you need is BB having the same damage wise on 4 and 5 compared to 3

[tacit fractal]

I feel like Psychinetic is going to be a middle class thing like Battle Wizard was for Sienna and next one is going to be the glass cannon that if compared to Psychinetic will actually kick ass

[cold oasis]

So that there is a reason to waste 5+ seconds to kill an elite

While at the same time you could just use a staff and CC and enteir room

[jolly karma]

3.75s with mods

but I think it's faster than 5s

Feels like 4s

so 3s flat if that's the case

[cold oasis]

Like, lately all i'm using BB is to clear rooms before you enter the defend parts xd

And just because the Surge staff can't get there 😦

[olive ember]

I mean yeah but flame staff does that fairly well and i want something new and not "coruscation staff, but with explosions now"

BB is used to pick off priority targets basically

[cold oasis]

At level 4 and 5 BB doesn't do that anymore

That's the problem

[olive ember]

mostly if the vet is preoccupied, so the sniper / bomber in teh back

against some targets it does

[scarlet lily]

Imagine if BB staggered the enemy during channel

Not just at the end

[teal needle]

It'd still be just meh lol

[cold oasis]

Against those targets it's just flat out better using a staff

[scarlet lily]

It'd be pretty good for interuppting

[olive ember]

thats assuming you can get close enough

[autumn lark]

It used to stun enemies outright

[scarlet lily]

Only at the end now

[celest hedge]

BB staggering when you start to channel it on someone was busted during hte first beta

[cold oasis]

You don't really need to get close with any of em :v

i mean, even the flamer has a long ass range

[scarlet lily]

TTK is so fast for everything so I dunno

[olive ember]

should've kept that imo, its a commitment and idk why I have to lose half my toughness on a single shooter because i have to wait to halfway for it to get staggered

[cold oasis]

and if stuff it's farther than that, then it's a Veteran job

[autumn lark]

Having bb stun again would be massively helpfull on crushers and other caracape enemies

[scarlet lily]

BB is insane at snapping snipers and gunners that tend top suppress vets

[raw breach]

I thought that too until I realized that Ascending Blaze requires Soulblaze to be the killing blow for it to count, so any additional, viable options to apply Soulblaze would be nice. Coruscation's model of initial damage and a follow up flame patch that would deal the laast few ticks of damage would be perfect

[cold oasis]

Snipers you tag em for them, anything else it's honestly faster just spamming a staff

and ccing them and everything around them :v

[olive ember]

its not as simple as "oh yeah let the vet handle it" especially if the vet brings something like the bolter and theres 5 damn gunners and a sniper in the back of the room spraying at him

[cold oasis]

I mean, really, by the time you see a sniper, switch to BB, cast BB and kill it it's 5+ seconds

That shit already shot twice on difficulty 5 :v

Again, i mostly use the Surge staff

[scarlet lily]

The faster BB feat is nice for when the Vets get mad suppressed

[cold oasis]

Any gunners just get chain cced, and they straight up die in two casts

[latent ingot]

cop or nah ?

[scarlet lily]

Channel bb into a dash slide lets you snag any special from afar

Much less risk imo\

[autumn lark]

Luckily randos tend to actualy be aware of the sniper because of the loud af shot

[weak galleon]

how does Mk8 Axe comapres to Mk5?

[cold oasis]

axes are shit

use a force sword

or if you really don't want to the dueling swords/knife

[scarlet lily]

*with deflector

[olive ember]

ik the MK V is good enough that some zealots are running it over the eviscerator and the thunder hammer

thats about it

[cold oasis]

Even without, just spamming block with the force sword makes it insane

[lethal plover]

OK force sword is truly the best weapon in the game.
I clutch rescued my team mates in the repair arena by just holding block and dodging towards them.
I tank gunmen shots all the while. When it comes time to fight the boss I revived my team mate right under the boss as he whacked me around. Lol. At some point 2 flamers and a dog appeared at the same time and I force pushed them then finished them with special also. OMFG

[hybrid thicket]

nah bro

[teal needle]

Axes rule, they do insane single target damage

[scarlet lily]

Force sword has the most utility imo

Power sword is best, but vet only

No idea for zealot now after they gutted dagger dodge

[digital egret]

where can we look for groups in this discord?

[hybrid thicket]

thunder hammer with knockback blessing

[cold oasis]

When do you ever need single target damage as a psyker?!

All you need is a horde weapon, or something with good mobility

[scarlet lily]

I like thunder hammer, it just needs an aoe explosion on hit

[hybrid thicket]

axe with cleave will destroy hordes

[cold oasis]

(and the Force sword does both)

[olive ember]

The peril blocking means you basically have ogryn revive except they get staggered when their toughness breaks lmao

[hybrid thicket]

bc cleave allows pass through

[olive ember]

The antax mk V is a horde weapon

[lethal plover]

it is absolutely insane
it's the best reversal in the game right now

[teal needle]

Yeah psyker with peril blocking is basically an ogryn with tower shield

[olive ember]

If you have brutal momentum each light swing can kill 5 poxwalkers

[teal needle]

You can just sit there and tank a daemonhost indefinitely

[cold oasis]

the Force Sword talent i'm pretty sure it's bugged

[scarlet lily]

The first part of psyker force sword push is like the astartes video freeze

[cold oasis]

it's not generating perill

[scarlet lily]

Spam it and freeze hordes

[cold oasis]

Oh, they changed it

my bad

[lethal plover]

they updated it

to make the sword more usable

[olive ember]

How’d you manage the peril btw, cuz I found the daemonhost easily brought me to critical peril after one combo at which point the peril blocking stops

[scarlet lily]

Force push

(and dodges in between)

[lethal plover]

man I feel like a god playing psyker melee. I now even wade into enemy gunmen line to push them down and shut them up

[teal needle]

You just need to dodge like one combo every now and then. I wasn't even using a force sword I had an axe with two stamina and a block efficiency talent and it worked

[olive ember]

gotta get better at dodging then

cuz i still got hit like once XD

[scarlet lily]

dodge into a slide

makes nice distance and crouching throws off attacks sometimes

[lethal plover]

I dodge with spacebar and slide with mouse4. How do other people do it

[scarlet lily]

Dodge on button on my mouse

crouch with control because too lazy

https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A?t=278 When the horde approaches and you start shoving with the force sword

[lethal plover]

for ragers, it seems like when they go into their super combo they get high stagger resistance? because sometimes I could push them down, sometimes I couldn't

[scarlet lily]

yeah

[heady bramble]

only psyker in that vid loses to the void and gets mercd immediately

[scarlet lily]

Golden masks are pyskers

probably

[austere sandal]

i love the the requisitions STILL bug out and dont complete 30% of the time

[heady bramble]

i guess only imperial psyker xD

[long wharf]

my siblings on terra, it's like the emperor doesn't even know me

[burnt python]

game is trolling me rn

[olive ember]

that damage...

oof

[long wharf]

it's hilariously bad

the fact that it's a 444 weapon

[burnt python]

first orange drop f rom emperors gift, ever

on a fantastic weapon

[jaunty oar]

worth it or not?

[burnt python]

and it gives 10% dmg roll lol

[vernal imp]

no deflector, so discard it when you get that imo

pretty damn good otherwise tho

[jaunty oar]

what does deflector do?

[vernal imp]

allows you to block ranged attacks

[worthy wasp]

Dont discard weapons with good rolls but bad blessings/traits

Crafting system is coming

Keep good rolls

[sweet lantern]

dont discard weapons

[vernal imp]

let's be a bit real, crafting will be a long time away

[dim pier]

Also if you see a bad weapon but it has a blessing you want, grab it. You’ll be able to extract blessings later

[dim pier]

They mentioned in the crafting blog that they’ll be adding the rest of the features this month

[lethal plover]

makes you a jedi god who can block and dodgeslide into enemy gunmen, push them down and mow them

force push is so insanely good

with peril block you can also safely revive anyone

[vernal imp]

yeah, just don't do the push followup so you dont gain peril

only downside really is the horde clear combo is a bit wack

[lethal plover]

peril is pretty much a free resource. if you can knock a line down your team will take care of the rest

[snow dust]

I like the dueling swords. They're quite fun

[vernal imp]

you'd think, but its not worth on the push followup since it only affects like one dude and is a 50/50 whether it actually knocks them down in my experience

[lethal plover]

one person?

[vernal imp]

just spamming the first push over and over is great

[night fox]

WTF, just got it as an emperors gift, too bad teh base is garbage

maybe that blazing spirit makes up for the shit dmg?

[lethal plover]

no deflector = no good

[dim pier]

Definitely hold for when blessing extraction comes out, at worst

[vernal imp]

low damage would affect blazing spirit so not really, better luck next time champ

[sly ruin]

can anyone send pic of the imperial ed cosmetic ingame?

[night fox]

vwhat is blazing spirt does? one soulblaze stack on crit?

[scarlet lily]

Keep to see if we can transfer blessing eventually

[scarlet lily]

Up to like 4 I think

Depending on your roll

[vernal imp]

i'm fairly sure? i don't think too highly of soulblaze, unless i just aren't using a specific build that makes it "good"

[scarlet lily]

Could be great on surge

[dim pier]

I only have pics of before they fixed/changed it, so if nobody else has one I can send that?

[night fox]

have u tested that with two wpns with different dmg? soulbl;aze dmg is capped per monster not related to weapon dmg

[fading jewel]

is there a way to toggle quell? holding r is getting harder xD

[night fox]

F

[scarlet lily]

I have not even got it but once, but it would LOOK cool

[scarlet lily]

You can run non-force weapons to quell faster iirc

[night fox]

yeah, soulblaze is capped dmg per monster, your weapon dmg doesnt has anything to do with the Dot dmg

[scarlet lily]

Without needing to hold r but..

[worthy wasp]

With non force weapons you are constantly quelling

Highly recommend Antax Mk V

Combat axe

[teal needle]

Mk v combat ax is quite stronk

[fading jewel]

wouldnt feel any different and its that other abilty

[glacial plume]

which weapon bleed

[scarlet lily]

Dagger? I thinko

[glacial plume]

wrong chat

[night fox]

yeah, it gives like 4 stacks of soulblaze on crit

thats how many lmb took to match 21 dmg dot

[scarlet lily]

I like soulblaze cause it makes it easier to see monsters sometimes.. But rn the lack of weapon scaling for a lot of things makes it all utility

[worthy wasp]

Ye, soulblaze being doodoo vs them makes me rate purg a bit below surg and void

[night fox]

kinda nich sword, blessing combo is nice cause soulblaze scales with power

[worthy wasp]

Def not bad tho

[night fox]

but the dmg is soo low. would had prefered another spread other than all tanked on dmg

[vernal imp]

i just wish that soulblaze made the level 30 feat work for it when it didnt die to soulblaze, because it just does too low damage

[bitter abyss]

not perfect, but yall think this is worth making orange?

[night fox]

it does whats supposed. just play higher lvl and the more mobs youre hitting the higher your chances are to proc it

[vernal imp]

aye i'd say so

[scarlet lily]

Same, it would be a great qol thing, but I think they didn't want it to look "op", the balance is there.. Purges warps on use

[night fox]

hop for the quell on weakspot

The main issue with the purge staff is that the flames it leaves on teh ground are literally useless and enemies walk roght through them

[vernal imp]

plus purge staff is kinda hard to see through for teammates unlike the flamer

[scarlet lily]

I had less complaints with purge staff than preacher

[vernal imp]

i've had my buddy complain about it a few times

[night fox]

idc about that lol. if thyre burning theyre CC so

[scarlet lily]

only initially, or if lmb

[vernal imp]

yeah purge doesn't really do CC though, unless against hordes

[bitter abyss]

i just wish psyker had a legit burst comparable to a bolter going ham

[vernal imp]

but hordes aren't the issue really

[night fox]

plus i mainly just spam it

[scarlet lily]

It can its just weird

[echo parrot]

To this day it still sits there.. laughing at me.

[night fox]

on hordes, other than that im just using lmb to close gaps on range

[olive ember]

haha I remember trying that achieve, 6 hours from 12 AM to 6 AM to get that

[scarlet lily]

Do assassination where you go through sewers and reset it until you get 3 rager spawns just after dropping

[long wharf]

that one isn't that hard to do

[bitter abyss]

same nearly. took hours to line up a good oppertunity

[long wharf]

pick n mix is killing me

[echo parrot]

OH shit thats a pretty good idea

Thanks

[vernal imp]

good luck sibling, was lucky to get it myself by running alone where no randoms could kill the 3 ragers, just remember to damage them slightly

[echo parrot]

Just got to remember which assasination that is

[vernal imp]

magistratum

[night fox]

yeah, idk, i cant do that one either. is 0/5 since launch and ive have killed more than 5 in a row

[scarlet lily]

I got my monstrosity kill by pulling a plague ogryn back to me after my pug team dropped off a ledge

[olive ember]

I think they nerfed the explosion damage you don't one shot ragers anymore

[echo parrot]

I helped get another psykers Monstrum kill by dodge tanking a Daemonhost with a knife lol

[scarlet lily]

Give them a bit of a zap or burn at first

It can be kinda shiddy, but that spot is great if lucky

[lethal plover]

I don't know what you're talking about tbh. I just finished a game with double flame staff, and when the other person was flaming me in the front line, the fire appeared as rather translucent

like wind almost

[sleek herald]

damn, every time I play normally and I see 3 ragers or shotgunners next to each other I immediately get sad I wasn't maintaining 99% peril for 15 minutes just to explode in them for penance eh

[lethal plover]

besides, the pinging system is the main eye you have

[vernal imp]

idk man, i trust that when my veteran friend is complaining that he can't see he means it

[potent echo]

If pre-patch, it was horrendous. They fix the visuals on launch day

[lethal plover]

for real?

[potent echo]

Yea the transparent flames are only after launch

[lethal plover]

damn they are doing something useful

[potent echo]

They did a bunch of adjustments like buffing trauma

Still poop tho

[lethal plover]

when did trauma get buffed

what does it do now

[candid temple]

uhh, what settings are you playing on?

[potent echo]

Also it helps if you crouch while flaming to let ppl see over it

[candid temple]

because flamer flame is very not translucent on all low

[wild relic]

are you spose to just charge the surge staff the minimal amount and spam it for maximum effect or do you charge it more

[scarlet lily]

minimal for the most part

[candid temple]

spam it for cc, charge for a extra dps

[scarlet lily]

if its just like 3-4

you can quick cast it, then charge until they can be cc'd again

[lethal plover]

your purgatus, or other people's purgatus?

[supple stirrup]

hello fellow psykers

[wild relic]

is it ever worth full charging the void staff in hordes or just sling them out at like half

[lethal plover]

because someone else also agrees it's more visible now

[scarlet lily]

there's a little delay between when they can be cc'd, so the charge lets you kinda prep it

[supple stirrup]

i just wanna say

[night fox]

i would rarely do a full charge. like 5-10% is more than enough to shower mobs around me

[fathom thorn]

so daemonhost works?

[scarlet lily]

yes

[pine iris]

this is an axe

[fathom thorn]

sweet ty

[potent echo]

Your own is still opaque. Teammates' are transparent

[scarlet lily]

Ogyrn with bunker down in a corner lets you kill it pretty easy

[potent echo]

Source: 3purge psyker game

[scarlet lily]

Assuming the other two teamates don't let a horde rush you

[lethal plover]

or mutant and dog from out of nowhere

[weak galleon]

If oyu succeed with it, maybe.
I wouldn't use it. Plus, not sure how important Finesse is on it.

[fading jewel]

is there any better way to use staffs? im giving my self worse wrist pains tryna use a lightning staff XD

[scarlet lily]

Those aren't /too/ bad as long as it's not with a horde

Force push knocks dogs into the air, hilariously high at full peril

[lethal plover]

unfortunately we can't choose when the director wants to shit on us. so it's always a bunch of other crap

[scarlet lily]

surge locks both dogs and muties too, but yes I agree

[potent echo]

Posture is important in alleviating carpal tunnel

[vernal imp]

ah, that explains it, never used it after launch because i could just CC with surge or kill with void

[dim pier]

How’re you giving yourself wrist pain with a lightning staff?

[lethal plover]

at least it's not a knife

[scarlet lily]

Try swapping lmb and rmb?

[fading jewel]

no keybinds work when i switch them ,

[scarlet lily]

the soujourn effect..

[wide steeple]

I just finished the Malleus Monstronum Penance

[potent echo]

Nice

[fading jewel]

i have carpal tunnel holding right lcikc and left clicking constantly hurts alot

[wide steeple]

Duo queue and +2 randos

[scarlet lily]

Hmm, might try through a 3rd party keybind thing, like logitech if you have it

[lethal plover]

take a Break my man

[dim pier]

Would macros help? I know FS is fine with those in Vermintide

[potent echo]

Is your elbow above your wrist when you are gaming?

[fading jewel]

they would, but no keybinds work when i switch them, i cant even switch f and r

[echo parrot]

These three are the only penances I have left lol

[pseudo junco]

going out with a bang is really annoying

[echo parrot]

Agreed

[hazy ibex]

I'm currently grinding for the 5 smite kills in 12 seconds

[sweet lantern]

same

[hazy ibex]

Then I will be in the same place as you sibling

[echo parrot]

Pick in mix is a pretty big pain from what people have been saying

[scarlet lily]

I will employ two ogryns with shields to get that

[echo parrot]

I got it entirely by accident

[main jay]

Anyone got suggestions for a Purge staff build? Running... 321212 atm

asc blaze/warp battery

[hybrid thicket]

is there a 4th class helmet?

[echo parrot]

Essence harvest and kinetic flayer are better with purge because of how much AOE you do.

[dim pier]

Could swap out toughness gain on quell for the warp charge, but that’s your call. Also peril block is extremely strong, highly recommend trying if you haven’t already

[main jay]

Wondering how good kinetic overload would be

[echo parrot]

SO you just regain toughness uber fast

[scarlet lily]

Toughness on warp charge probably good since you'll be purging them all each force push

[potent echo]

I think I'm on 111112

[hybrid thicket]

I link a good build in a sec

[main jay]

soulblaze count as a warp attack?

[scarlet lily]

Probs not?

[main jay]

Also kinetic overload seems... OP if you are killing a horde and get a ton of stacks, would nuke the elites/specialists?

[potent echo]

Not sure but it never proc for me when I use purge. 30% on charge gain is better

[scarlet lily]

Ot

[weak galleon]

can swap 10th level from 1 to 2, if you wish

[scarlet lily]

Which is that

[main jay]

4 soulblaze stacks when on max stacks to elite

[potent echo]

25-1 is essential if you want to kill dreg riflemen

[vivid merlin]

Yeah the on warp kill toughness trait never procs with purge staff for some reason

[dim pier]

Is auto brain burst really that good for purgatus? Thought it’d self sustain with the tier 3+6 feats alone.

[scarlet lily]

Sorry I meant toughness on gaining warp charge

[weak galleon]

25-3 is higher survivability via more passively farmed WC.

[main jay]

Dont have force sword with ranged dmg mitigation yet might swap the peril on block

[weak galleon]

I feel the difference in WC farm/sustain.

[dim pier]

I see

[potent echo]

Best survivability is to delete an entire rifleman patrol with an F

[scarlet lily]

Auto bb is full warp charges guarenteed as long as you're constantly attacking, mostly

[weak galleon]

Kinetic Deflection is stronger with non-force weapon for melee tanking.

[potent echo]

You can basically solve all ranged encounter scenarios it's too good

[main jay]

Ranged is what seems to cause wipes

like shooters

[potent echo]

Yea so 6 warpcharges is a must imo

[scarlet lily]

What if deflect took more peril but reflected

[bold maple]

kinetic flayer is quality of life but warp battery is definitely better

if you want to torture yourself with keeping up 6 stacks

[weak galleon]

but it also works on force sword.
it entirely depends on what you value.
After I got myself on Axe Mk5 some fifteen-20 hours ago, I can't let go.

[potent echo]

You can't do much in deep cover ranged shootoffs with a purge. So you farm 6 charges and press F.

Everything's dead

[bold maple]

I just cant be arsed to farm 6 charge with bb

so I just dodge and slide gradually up to those ranged mob with melee

[weak galleon]

6 Warp Stacks on soulblaze is nice, but I hate doing manual BB labor to gain WCs, and I really feel it when I have that 10% chance to use BB on hit.

[main jay]

I've never used essence harvest hmmm

it's good for heresy+?

[potent echo]

Is the difference between being able to kill riflemen or not being able to kill them

[bold maple]

just press F on em and rush them with melee kekw

[weak galleon]

I know, but it's also QoL.
Plus, those SB charges stack with your staff.

[bold maple]

nobody got time for 6 stacks

[scarlet lily]

Deflector makes ranged a joke mostly ||(not in like an op way, but you're like an ogryn!)||

[hazy ibex]

I wish I could get pick n mix on accident...

Can't even get it on purpose

[night marten]

and then a sniper spots you

[scarlet lily]

bb dash slide

[echo parrot]

aBOUT TO BLWO UP THREE RAGERS, THEN CRASH

Thanks obese fish

[candid temple]

other people's

[main jay]

I really want deflector it sounds really fun

[mellow socket]

toughness or health on curios?

[lethal plover]

#psyker-class message

[hazy ibex]

It's about as fun as normal blocking attacks...

[scarlet lily]

It is ridiculously fun

[candid temple]

What about that? Their settings must be different?

[scarlet lily]

Horde of scabs standing behind crates? approach them with no fear so your team can kill them all before you reach them..

[fading jewel]

is it worth upping a green staff to a blue for a blessing if the shop is dumb and wont give me any staff spawns??

[weak galleon]

as long as base is good.

[scarlet lily]

You should do that with any high rating, good roll staffs

[hybrid thicket]

this build fucks on heresy with pruge

purge

[fading jewel]

i have no clue wat good base stats are for lightning staff

[scarlet lily]

Are you level 30?

[fading jewel]

24

[worthy wasp]

I feel like Psyker is the only class that doesnt have a role that they are expected to fill

[scarlet lily]

don't waste crafting mats until 30

[fading jewel]

havnt seen a staff spawn all day

[hybrid thicket]

they can do it all tbh

not as good as each class, they r like a flex class

[scarlet lily]

I think we have the most utility

[left mirage]

im going to fucking cry

[scarlet lily]

Our force push can save/interrupt specials through walls and hordes to save people

[left mirage]

why is psyker so damn

mid

[scarlet lily]

Cause people complained iirc

[hybrid thicket]

u can be an ogryn with this blessing

[left mirage]

fuckin sad how you have to waste a talent, and run a specific weapon with a specific enchant to roleplay as a shield ogryn

[worthy wasp]

Are you memeing?

[left mirage]

and you arent as tanky shield-wise

[hybrid thicket]

also when u get curio drop chance % on curios in store buy them they r guarenteed yellow

[left mirage]

oh damn, didnt know that

[scarlet lily]

Eh, I wouldn't call it a wast

[worthy wasp]

Lol, psyker is arguably the strongest career in the game

[scarlet lily]

I think it's got highest cap

[hybrid thicket]

i dont mind too much the other feats are ehh, what good is 15% damage on enemy if vet w/ bolter will kill it in 3 seconds

[left mirage]

it just feels incredibly reliant on having a functioning team

other classes can make do

[scarlet lily]

I think pysker is the coolest

All that matters to me

[worthy wasp]

You say that, but 4 psykers have an easier time running damnations than 4 zealots/vets and possibly ogryn

[left mirage]

no questions about that, definitely the best flavor wise

[night fox]

well well well

[night marten]

honestly I think the only thing stopping every high-end team from being 4 vets is just the lack of ammo on missions. Ammo scarcity is what gives psyker's a role in the current meta (though I love the class anyway)

[night fox]

i guess rngesus felt bad for dropping me that other garbo forcesword

[worthy wasp]

Nah

[left mirage]

the game definitely feels like an inverse DRG sometimes

[hybrid thicket]

yeah thats a good sword

[scarlet lily]

I've had groups of vets walk into walls of gunfire they struggle to break through before hordes come up behind

[left mirage]

feels better running dupe classes then a full mixed team

[worthy wasp]

No one can CC like a psyker

[night marten]

For sure not every vet is *not a good player, I'm just talking about what the classes are capable of at a high level of play is all

[worthy wasp]

And they can clutch revive like bosses

[scarlet lily]

Vets have it good, but the utility of psyker/ogren kinda leagues over the rest

[left mirage]

fair, surge staff and purge are both GOATed

[long wharf]

what's the final word on passive quelling with force sword vs other melee weapons?

[devout belfry]

Don't forget the damage bonus from coherency!

[night fox]

yeah, that finese at 80 came in clutch with those blessing, pretty nice combo for when i play surge so i can clear hordes ezpz

[hybrid thicket]

the best comp ive found is ogryn, 2 vets and a psyker

[scarlet lily]

Peril isn't reeallly that big of a deal with proper management

[left mirage]

ogryn players feel like a fuckin rarity where im at

[potent echo]

Just quell with staff if you have a force sword

[scarlet lily]

Ogryns show up in pairs for me lmao

[main jay]

I have a Zealot and Psyker and Zealot is way more powerful tbh. CC on demand with the grenades for clutch revives, easy to regen shields, 5 second invul with heal back. Psyker is definitely my weakest char imo

[hybrid thicket]

must be u, i get ogryns every other match it seems

[long wharf]

I didn't ask for advice on how to quell the fastest

[worthy wasp]

I prefer Ogryn, 2 psykers, and a vet.

1 psyker w/ surge the other with void.

Also: 3 ogryn 1 psyker is hilarious

[long wharf]

I asked about passive quell comparison between force sword and other melee weapons

[left mirage]

i just keep getting vets that cant hit shit and zealots

[hybrid thicket]

2 vets with bolts just rip through shit

[left mirage]

and the occasional trauma psyker who goes kaboom every 2 hordes

[devout belfry]

Non force weapons passively quell far faster.

[left mirage]

its always the trauma staff users

i dont know why

[worthy wasp]

Feel like with all the complaints psyker is only going to get better

[hybrid thicket]

ogryn for res and shield for the vets shooting range, psyker for horde clear

[left mirage]

i hope so

[long wharf]

oh re-he-heally

[scarlet lily]

I wouldn't mind some feats becoming cooler

[night fox]

every two cast you mean HAHAHAHAHAH

[hybrid thicket]

idk why ppl complain tbh psyker feels good rn

[left mirage]

i wasnt counting tbh

[worthy wasp]

Either way... Zealots are def the worst

[scarlet lily]

They can be clutch

[left mirage]

all i know is i hear them use ult, then die a couple seconds later when they reach max peril again

[main jay]

Psyker feels good I like the gameplay but it needs some numbers tweaking

my zealot WRECKS shit

[worthy wasp]

The issue is the class is hard carried by its strong af base mechanics

[devout belfry]

Test it out. Not even close lol.

Makes that block to peril perk wild.

[frail shuttle]

So Ive seen people post that the Force Sword Shield can block bullets, is this a perk or is it inate? Because if its inate it sucks

[left mirage]

needs an enchant

not innate

[devout belfry]

It's a blessing.

[frail shuttle]

ok ty. thought i was losing my mind

[left mirage]

they feel like ass because of toughness chip

[hybrid thicket]

deflector is the blessing

[left mirage]

up until you hit 20 and get the hp regen talent

idk why its level 20

its really fucking good

[night marten]

feels like it falls off compared to vet or even zealot at higher difficulties (don't get me wrong I love playing a psyker, speaking from a strictly balancing perspective)

[frail shuttle]

ive only been finding dogwater in the store, so much money yet only trash, what a awful system

[hybrid thicket]

i havent felt underpowered running heresy or damnation

[night fox]

well the emperors reset jsut hit, so you have like 10 or so before you dont get no more until next week

[worthy wasp]

Psyker is legitimately hard carried by how good their weapons are and their 2 good talents (quietitude, use peril to block)... but the weaps and talents are so good that Psyker just winds up being awesome despite BB/warp charges being kinda doodoo right now

[tepid nest]

Because it has taken a lot to not feel outclassed. You need to make a lot of situational decisions to be high impact at higher difficulties. The class isn't as simple as "BB then staff special"

[hazy ibex]

Is there an official "this is an elite" post anywhere? No one knows the difference between an elite and a specialist

[worthy wasp]

Psyker just has the highest skillcap

[night marten]

eh, have to disagree there. that's an awfully convenient perspective on a class that many others find lacking relative to vet/zealot

[hybrid thicket]

i think thats where psyker shines tho... it would be kinda boring if there was just one meta build and everything else was ass

u get to play how u want with a build u make

[ivory lake]

https://gamerant.com/warhammer-40000-darktide-every-special-elite-enemy-how-to-kill-them/ just google

[echo parrot]

Get into magistratum. Kite specials to blow them up. Vet joins. Kills everything in a boltor barrage. Private games when..

[tepid nest]

I mean within the builds there's an awful lot of decision making once you're actually playing.

[fringe remnant]

that damage number though

[hybrid thicket]

if u wanna special stun, u can. if u wanna horde clear, u can. if u wanna have a fuckin jedi shield and block bullets, u can

[fringe remnant]

186369 damage in one hit lol

[ivory lake]

i wish we could see that dmg and healthbars in regular matches

[tepid nest]

Like, knowing when to melee is something a lot of pug Psykers struggle with. Or they just headpop thoughtlessly the entire time.

[echo parrot]

I cant join one of the VC's atm but if anyone is down to help hit me up.

[hybrid thicket]

u r very right about the headpops lol

[dim pier]

Wonder if you could 100 to 0 the assassination boss with that, or it doesn’t work on them

[hazy ibex]

So I'm supposed to smite and kill 5 ogryns / maulers in 12 seconds, when it takes 2 to kill a mauler, and 3 for ogryns IF I have max warp charges?

[wide summit]

@wide summit @severe sentinel @iron cypress @simple coral Malleus Monstronum Complete!

We did it

[worthy wasp]

How to properly play Ogryn, Vet, Zealot is very intuitive and synergizes with their talents/traits. Its all cut and dry.

Psyker on the other hand? Its not nearly as intuitive. You get warp charges and your only consistent method of keeping em up is BB... which is shit in Damnation. And most your talents have to do with BB, Warp Charges, Soul Blaze... and the best one are the ones that ignore BB/SB and allow you to generate Warp Charges w/o using class-exclusive mechs and abilities

[echo parrot]

The squad

[dim pier]

Specials also count for that doesn’t it?

[spiral remnant]

purgustus build goes crazy

[hazy ibex]

Oh thank god

I got really scared there for a minute

[dim pier]

Make sure ya reread that one to check, not at PC right now

[hybrid thicket]

take 10% on hit to get charge. take the 4% on allies in coherence to get charge

[night marten]

I don't disagree it's a tough class to play, but that's a separate point from where it's niche/usefulness relative to the other classes

[hazy ibex]

Yeah I am reading it now, it's going out with a bang that is only elites

[hybrid thicket]

if u like purge run ascendant blaze and get another 10% for charge

[spiral remnant]

if you pair that with the soul blaze level 30 then it's ccrazy

[worthy wasp]

This exactly

[fringe remnant]

if it were a really that much damage it would probably one shot any enemy in the game.

[hazy ibex]

So that only works on ogryns and maulers, don't blow yourself up for ragers or anything else

[dim pier]

Oh if you still need going out with a bang, ragers, gunners, and shotgunners also work

[hybrid thicket]

repost but literally i stay at max stacks all match

[dim pier]

I did it with ragers, friend of mine got it with gunners

[hazy ibex]

But it only says elites? Whatever I'll take it.

Take anything I can get on these penances

[hybrid thicket]

elites and specials work

i did mine with 4 gunners and a mauler

[hazy ibex]

Thank you everyone!

[fringe remnant]

even just the DPS. Does anything else do 2000 dps?

[dim pier]

I think gamerants’ article is wrong? But I can’t test that right now

[hazy ibex]

How would you test it?

[long wharf]

100% elites and specialist count for that suicide penance

[hazy ibex]

A bunch of articles said different things, but the only response I got was "Google it"

[long wharf]

I got mine on a crusher and two dreg ragers

[dim pier]

As a Psyker, either tier 3 second feat or the aura +15% elite damage bonus

Also I’m slightly going off Vermintide logic calling the ragers elites. So yeh.

[candid temple]

go to psykarium, check dmg, add talent, check dmg

[tepid nest]

It's not a class with a "This is what you always do or focus on" type of playstyle. I don't think that means its not useful, but it just does a lot of things fairly well and that you have to constantly change priorities to make sure that you're making as much impact as possible. We have a lot of tools, but knowing when and how to use them is something that a lot of players haven't figured out yet.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh-ho baby

[main jay]

So many of these Veterans are SO bad in pugs

[echo parrot]

I hate this game

[dim pier]

The life of a going out with a bang penance hunter

[hazy ibex]

I'M GONNA BLOW UP-

[spiral remnant]

holy shit i hate

going out with a bang

it's so tedious to get

honestly i'd prefer cliffhanger at that point

atleast I can set that up using the espionage mission

[hazy ibex]

fk cliffhanger

[dim pier]

You know, getting a 4 stack of suicide bombing Psykers might not be a terrible idea

It’d be hilarious

[long wharf]

it'd be hilarious... once

[echo parrot]

We wouldnt make it to the first medicaid lol

[dim pier]

Hey still better than solo suicide bombing

[spiral remnant]

does purgustus do less damage than zealots flame?

[dusk pilot]

At least they nerfed how many you needed to kill

I remember getting 17 out of the 20 I needed

And never being in a position to get it again

Until they finally made it a normal amount.

[night fox]

i think it actually does more. maybe ppl have just worse dmg rolls than my staff

[hazy ibex]

I too was at 17 for a million years, grinding chasm terminous over and over

[boreal sun]

ultra mega big number

https://prnt.sc/sRZmiO-xApla

[spiral remnant]

whats your secondary damage?

[boreal sun]

What was the boss you did it on?

[night fox]

wym

[sweet lynx]

Psykers are cool and all but imagine if they could channel a brain burst through a railing.

[echo parrot]

Join mission

Two vets and a preacher, all three with boltors

Leave mission

[spiral remnant]

on your staff it tells you the primary and secondary damage values

like i got 10 and 15

[night fox]

wat?

ohh isee what you mean

[spiral remnant]

17 and 11

daamn

nice staff

[night fox]

thats just the dmg on hit do. to see the actual dmg you o you gotta go to the detailed view

[spiral remnant]

yea

[boreal sun]

https://prnt.sc/KjUOWQWC6mYB

blue staff, same damage.

[spiral remnant]

yeah

[spiral remnant]

same damage roll

[boreal sun]

380 is the highest roll and will roll 80% on everything.

[spiral remnant]

i think i've seen something like a 384

actually