psyker-class

[flint sky]

80% wr for heresy is also kinda shitty

[steel vortex]

I mean remember you can just yeet 50% of your peril with the F key

[tender cipher]

There’s always one of these brainlets at any given day and time it seems.

[meager locust]

Odd question, curious but can the Purgatus (fire) staff crit or nah

[lavish cipher]

Vet can't one shot elites while in cover

[flint sky]

Neither can psyker lmao get off of malice

[meager locust]

I know it can roll it but I am not sure if it actually can

[lethal plover]

vet can't rez when there are 4 ragers and a crusher hammering on someone. psyker can. and that was insane

[candid hawk]

? i lock onto things and move around corners all the time in heresy+ lol

[flint sky]

3bb's as compared to a couple bolter rounds is a no brainer

[silk gazelle]

yeah its crits

[meager locust]

thank you for the swift answer ArkOfPain

[lethal plover]

I literally ran into a crapton of enemies just to revive someone today

[flint sky]

Still doesnt one hit wtf

[candid hawk]

The always overated bolter argument lol

"this vet with 60 ammo is out killing me"

[flint sky]

Vet just blows them all away with a mag and a half then revs

[candid hawk]

meanwhile im getting pelted with ranged chaff shooting me because the vet thinks hes only a special killer and brings a bolter lol

[flint sky]

Anyway basing your usefulness around revs is braindead

[flint sky]

It's really not overrated

[lethal plover]

whining every day is braindead but it doesn't stop you does it

[flint sky]

Even post nerf it's insane for elite clear

[candid hawk]

what experience you have with a vet using a bolter?

[flint sky]

Damnation runs ez

[candid hawk]

proof?

post your vet

[flint sky]

Got none not at computer

[lethal plover]

there is proof for damnation runs?

[flint sky]

Post later

[candid temple]

vets can't railgun through 500 mobs with void

or cc elites with surge

different tools

for different things

[cyan echo]

"I'll post proof later, for real"

[flint sky]

Only some LFG posts from my mate rodders

[flint sky]

Ok not what's being discussed

[candid hawk]

i just find it funny people talking about how good the bolter is when it literally is only good at shooting specials and nothing else that a vet is responsible for in the group aspect of the game

[flint sky]

Psyker stacks are good we all know that

The rest of the class is lacking

[lethal plover]

bolter is good anti-armor
though I prefer XII with camo expert and counterfire

[silk gazelle]

the only nerf the bolter needs is even less ammo

[flint sky]

That's why you have more than one vet and ditch the psyker

Nothing in the game needs a nerf

Lots needs buffed tho

[zinc phoenix]

Bolter is really good for zealot using evis, I don’t think it’s good for vet personally

[sage yacht]

Yea a lot of stuff needs to come up not down

[flint sky]

+50% ranged damage on special ability says that's not true

[lethal plover]

anyway, are you just here to troll again and have learned nothing new?

[candid hawk]

yes id agree with that, although flamethrower is also a good choice for them. But both work fine. Like i said Vet and bolter is overated. id rather my vet have a kantrael

[flint sky]

I'm not trolling lol

[tender cipher]

Tbh I expect every class of four to beat any given difficulty since you can be a party of four of the same class

[lethal plover]

yes you are lol

[lethal plover]

keep doing the same thing day in and day out

[flint sky]

Really not

Because it needs to be said

[cold moss]

Question, if i take Warp Battery does it mean that Kinetic Shielding will provide less damage reduction per Warp Charge?

[lethal plover]

nah, it doesn't

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but like vet also needs to kill a lot of low hp high frequency mobs like ragers or snipers. Bolter isn’t all that great at that but many lasguns are

[flint sky]

The class needs to be fixed beyond being a staff jockey

[lethal plover]

the world is better when you actually add new things for discussions. like new tech.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s also a massive soak for damage because peril blocking

[flint sky]

Yeah that's why you run two vets as certain classes just lack utility beyond surge staff slave

[zinc phoenix]

I mean valid choice 🤷‍♀️

[lethal plover]

as it is, people should try peril block + force sword with deflector + flame staff and ascendant blaze with 6 stacks. It's great fun

[candid hawk]

thats an awful lot of bad ammo economy. 2 vets, an ogryn and a zealot all vying for ammo?

[steel vortex]

i sometimes just use my F ability as a convenient peril sink

[zinc phoenix]

Double vet/ogryn/(zealot or psyker) seems like a really strong comp

[steel vortex]

is that a bad use?

[flint sky]

More optimal for sure. You can do well as psyker but it's almost inspite of the class rather than because of it

[flint sky]

Easily. Ammo is nearly never a problem

[candid hawk]

plus when your high peril, it staggers people more and at futher ranges

[zinc phoenix]

With two vet ogryn and zealot won’t shoot much

Plus ammo aura

[steel vortex]

ie if im popping a lot of heads of specials I just use f to sink off peril, or even do a funny and yeet a horde into a pit

[untold kestrel]

fire psyker, void psyker, surge psyker, vet. best comp

[flint sky]

As long as your team communicates and prioritises your good

[lethal plover]

the more I play the more I can clear with any comp. Like just a few hours ago it was 2 psykers 2 zealots without vets. Lol we had 3 people doing the flaming job, and it was great.

[candid temple]

there's like 2(3) feats out of 15, that are 'woah'.

[flint sky]

Wipes on load screen

[steel vortex]

I usually just go for really faraway enemies when everyone else is distracted or enemies which are a hastle

[candid temple]

that's the real crime

[ornate hamlet]

depends on the situation but I do that a lot on T4 runs and I’ve never gotten myself killed by it, just gotta use it at good times

[tender cipher]

Two void one lighting and a zealot or two flames and two zealots

[steel vortex]

Im not mad if a vet shoots the one im going for.

[untold kestrel]

surprisingly no. i've done a couple heresy with this sertup and it works very well

[candid hawk]

half the time i get a stack if the cast is almost full lol

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I mean I agree but I also think there’s probably a strongest comp and I wouldn’t be shocked if 2x power sword/X vet was in it

[candid temple]

Warp Absorbtion/Quietude and Kinetic Deflection are really the only talents that are really that useful.
which is just sad

[brisk plume]

I’m still leveling my psyker, but thats the build I’m excited about most

[candid hawk]

yes, the alt fire is good

[steel vortex]

I'm also running low level I'm rocking the smg.

[flint sky]

So squishy tho

[zinc phoenix]

As difficulty goes up force sword impact goes down

[steel vortex]

and for some reason the smg is just funny to me

"Rattle em boys"

[ornate hamlet]

yeah did they change that? I’ve noticed I get charges if someone kills something I’m trying to BB

[lethal plover]

strongest is a nebulous term really. the same zealot with a knife can either be an idiot who dies outside team's reach, or a hero who harasses enemy backline. it is entirely skill issue

[untold kestrel]

only thing psykers are squishy to is melee, but all of that is easily managed

[candid temple]

hmm? Boss has more HP, but nuke size stays the same.

[candid hawk]

beta was like that too idk if its intended or not

[steel vortex]

Psykers are squishy if the ogryns not doing their job

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, so in relative terms force sword impact goes down

[flint sky]

And ranged

[steel vortex]

have you considered using cover

[lethal plover]

nah, peril block makes psyker the best melee survivor. seriously try it

[steel vortex]

you can headpop from cover

[untold kestrel]

meh, ranged is deleted instantly with that setup

[heady sonnet]

I am not getting rid of Voidstrike lmao.
I can't wait to see all the gatekeeping in the coming weeks. Because of L takes like Psyker is only good with Surge and you need to double stack classes because a Psyker is present lol. I've been doing fine in T4s with Voidstrike and a Force Sword.

[lethal plover]

deflector blocks bullets too

[zinc phoenix]

Cover is for babies, real men face tank all damage

[candid temple]

mmm well, sort of, you won't delete boss in like 3 heavy specials, but you're still going to chunk a lot in the small window when they're not in cover.

[tender cipher]

Just be a giga Chad and use kinetic deflection with deflection

[lethal plover]

^

[untold kestrel]

i use it

[zinc phoenix]

Yo dawg I heard you liked to deflect so I put deflection in your deflection so you can deflect while you deflect

[steel vortex]

Also for some reason i am significantly better at dodging as psyker than zealot

[candid temple]

infinite dodges?

[lethal plover]

force sword has infinite dodge

that's why

[tender cipher]

Also the only things that a psyker gets annoyed by are shield ogryns, gotta either surge or bb

[zinc phoenix]

Or shout and shank

[candid temple]

🔪

[zinc phoenix]

Y’all mfers need some shout and shank

And rations

[steel vortex]

Not even with force sword, I just use my bare hands with brainburst or a devil sword

[lethal plover]

it is somewhat lenient to land force sword special on the side of bulwarks.

of course you can dodge back and BB for safety

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad the psyker isn’t a dnd wizard with the ability to create food, ogryn would be so happy

[untold kestrel]

or tiny hut

[zinc phoenix]

Force sword with deflection and kinetic deflection is literally Jedi simulator

[fading jewel]

do you have to kill them in mid air?

[brave plume]

don't think so

[candid temple]

wizard mansion

[zinc phoenix]

Basically yes

[wet cloak]

Is this where we complain about veterans not shooting the enemy gunners, forcing me to hold my deflector sword up constantly?

[fading jewel]

ok cause ive killed alot but i thougth maybe there was a type of hound i hadnt or soemthing

[brave plume]

Just BB doggies and you'll get it sooner or later

[tender cipher]

Yes

[wet cloak]

Excellent

[lethal plover]

run back into cover and BB or lure them

[wet cloak]

Because holy shit, I meet that a lot, then I have to slowly walk towards the gunners and push them, then kill them one by one.

Then the veteran shoots the last guy like "I'm helping!"

:i

[tender cipher]

Veterans are true

[lavish cipher]

Yes, charge your burst and wait for them to jump.
Timing is important but it is quite easy to do even by accident

[toxic temple]

any advise for cliffhanger

[lethal plover]

I did that by accident as well

just bb dog

[wet cloak]

I did cliffhanger by accident, because there was a huge horde near a cliff, then used my force sword

[flint sky]

Chasm logistratum bridge

[wet cloak]

I know one of the missions has a place where you have to defend in a small room surrounded by walkways, where you can push hordes down. But you have to get your team to let you do it

Yeah that's probably the one

[dusky kettle]

Same, with the change I got cliffhanger by accident. The dog one you will kinda get by accident too just by popping dogs at lvl3 or lower. This guide is good if you want to force cliffhanger quickly https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z1g9kh/how_i_got_the_psyker_cliffhanger_penance/

[wet cloak]

The only one I haven't got is malleus monstronum, because fuck that.

Does the daemonhost count for it?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s honestly pretty straightforward compared to abhor the mutant. Have to whack a mutant while using your charge skill to yeet yourself at it

[dusky kettle]

Out with a bang is just ugh. When Im in a mission with lots of elites my instinct is to help the team survive, not just bomb myself

Regret it afterwards. Had some good setups appear

[mint burrow]

Pick n mix is the worst too

[cold moss]

Sorry, would annyone mind awnsering my question? I'm not a Psyker Main and knowing Fatshark things could interact wierdly.

[mint burrow]

Been trying it for a while and can’t get it done

[zinc phoenix]

Look for a group of shotguns and you can peril them easy without hurting group. Just let team know

[wet cloak]

@cold moss That's partly what this channel is for

So some of us will answer if we can

[flint sky]

What question

[jovial frigate]

do i keep going

idk how good unarmored is

[flint sky]

Decent stats

[cold moss]

How do these two interact with one another?
Do you get the 33% reduction at 6 charges and end up with less reduction p warp charge?

[wet cloak]

The staff seems decent to me, charge could be better, but overall not bad.

[flint sky]

It's usually what it's used for but is probably unimportant due to them being easily killed regardless

[jovial frigate]

i dont think charge is that good on voidstrike so i'd rather it be the poop stat and have everything else thicc

[flint sky]

In terms of the perk I mean

[lethal plover]

logic would say yes but fatshark can be arsed

can't test it easily

[jovial frigate]

im assuming that based on fartshart 33% is what you get with 6. probably 22 with 4

[wet cloak]

You'd think so, yes.

But we can't know for sure.

[tropic halo]

is there a @prisma perch in here?

[cold moss]

So i guess the awnser to my question is a resounding "maybe" :V

[wet cloak]

Pretty much, it would be hard for us as players to check it.

[lethal plover]

you may have to ask j_sat or CommisarTyr

[sleek hornet]

is warp siphon stacks working as intended? i notice i do the same amount of damage with my weapons whether i have stacks or not, or is it specifically brain burst damage?

[jovial frigate]

yeah thats what i was lluding to. i wouldve been happier if it were at least flak or maniacal but the bar rolls are good enough + quell

[rough briar]

Using the palpatine staff should I be spamming my quell button to cancel the animation to launch more lightning or is just completing the light attack cast better / stun longer?

[candid hawk]

I wouldnt, id look for one thats 360+ on the stats

[dusky kettle]

Is 380 the cap for base stats?

[clear delta]

Is there a way to see crit chance?

[jovial frigate]

by the time i have a 360 void i'll have enough mats to pump it up to legendary

[candid hawk]

yeah thats what youd want to do

[wet cloak]

You can always start by pumping it up to purple

[jovial frigate]

no i mean like i can pump this one to lego and then get another set of mats for another base to lego

before i find another 360

[candid hawk]

Sure but then if you find something you like you will have to wait to pump it up lol

[wet cloak]

Like my deflector sword is shit, but I haven't seen a deflector sword for a while, so what can you do?

[candid hawk]

all your gonna gain from upgrading it are blessings and another stat

[wet cloak]

Yeah it doesn't upgrade base stats

[candid hawk]

you might not even get relavant ones so imo id save the materials

[wet cloak]

But if you have the materials and enough mats for one more legendary? Why not.

[lethal plover]

many perks don't mean anything so it's not really worth consecrating unless you don't care about mats

[nimble gorge]

I've been passively pulling this off mostly because hordes have been no joke lately. Sometimes it's easier to explode than deal with a horde

[steel vortex]

I tend to use brainburst as support, ie, if one enemy is being particularly a pain in the ass in the back

[candid hawk]

Im being very stingy with my materials because its not even gaurenteed youll get a good weapon even if you found a 380 grey. You might just get dogshit rolls

so id rather have materials to roll something out when i get it that i intend on keeping then just make a master craft for the sake of saying i have one

[lethal plover]

that's the job of secondary special killer which psyker is, yes

[flint sky]

finally a good take

[carmine raptor]

It solves bomber problems on every difficulty. And snipers.

[steel vortex]

veteran cant handle everything a tthe same time, and getting heat off the team helps. also good for taking out gunners or an enemy which is just moving around a lot

[flint sky]

then ruin the streak with this, its supposed to be the primary elite killer from all the marketing

[lethal plover]

if we are even better at killing specials than vets, what are vets for

[flint sky]

which its incredibly inefficient at

[steel vortex]

Snipers, bombers, gunners, trappers, if the vets busy, its not a worry. even if you or the enemy are in cover

Vets are seemingly jacks of all trades

[wet cloak]

I thought the base stats would be upraded when I first did it, so I upgraded my force sword, still shit though.

:P

[nimble gorge]

Keeping the hordes off you while you deal with the special

[prisma perch]

\o/

[flint sky]

ranged horde gods and secondary elite killer while also having the best melee weapon in the game

Oh god what will they do if psyker gets a DPS buff

[steel vortex]

vets are also good for taking out non special ranged enemies

[carmine raptor]

Enemy shooters

[flint sky]

seriously listen to yourself

[candid hawk]

Im a little short on mats but i got a 376 roll on a force sword, im on exalted and its at a 456, i could roll as high as 509 with the last upgrade

[wet cloak]

@candid hawk Not bad at all

I have yet to see another deflector sword, unfortunately my shop is just full of guns

[carmine raptor]

If you do upgrade it @candid hawk , make sure to post it here! I'd like to see.

[flint sky]

has anyone actually discovered power cap?

[candid hawk]

i will shortly, a couple more games and i got it ready to go.

[flint sky]

the gear grind feels very artificially inflated

[hollow hatch]

So someone in this part of the community level with me. Is playing purely BB viable or no?

[lethal plover]

who has reached beyond 500? that should be the cap

[flint sky]

No

[wet cloak]

Not viable

[tropic halo]

\o/ so sorry for dropping! my net's been shit for days!

[hollow hatch]

:[

[carmine raptor]

There are higher than 500s, yeah

[flint sky]

I dont know anyone that has but a guy was saying he could roll higher

[tropic halo]

thank you so muchfor helping me witht he monster penance, add me on steam and let me know whenever youw ant to do it.

[lethal plover]

proof needed

[flint sky]

its not on me to prove it, the guy that made the claim can

[lethal plover]

anyway, at this point we are at max of the power cap already

[carmine raptor]

Google it, I'm not going to go find screenshots. I've seen them up to maybe 504? And heard* about higher

[thick surge]

380 base stat is the current cap I'm like 99% sure. I did see a one weapon posted with 381 base, but that was just a rounding error from the game and when you calculated the values manually it was actually an 376 base

[lethal plover]

have you seen it

or only heard

[carmine raptor]

👆

[flint sky]

For greys?

[lethal plover]

https://primagames.com/tips/what-is-the-max-item-level-in-warhammer-40k-darktide-answered

[candid hawk]

this could break 500

[thick surge]

yeah, base stats are visible on all rarities

[lethal plover]

With both these key distinctions finally out of the way, the max item level in Darktide for weapons is 530.

[flint sky]

Big fan of your data gathering cheers

[flint sky]

dang good base stats

[woeful folio]

Is psyker able to get a power sword or just the force sword?

[prisma perch]

Happy to help and thank you! 🤘

[lethal plover]

pray to emperor you get deflector

[wet cloak]

Yeah hope for deflector

[lethal plover]

actually wait for crafting ?

[flint sky]

only force.

Vet is the only class allowed to have the best melee weapon

[woeful folio]

rip

[lethal plover]

can power sword block bullets? checkmate atheists

[weary wasp]

I realised that most of the psyker talents are basically useless

smh

[lethal plover]

force sword is the best survival tool in the game with peril block and deflector

[flint sky]

No but the las or bolter deals with ranged chaff fine

[flint sky]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[zealous onyx]

by the emperor ........
1st time I see a voidstrike staff in shop with my lvl 30 psyker, I click on it "at last, I can try it" and BAM shop refreshes

[loud violet]

So what does this even mean

[stray spindle]

which are optimal to take?

[flint sky]

pain

[weary wasp]

its like...give surge or voidstrike staff to any other class and they will do the same job but better

[zealous onyx]

its been literaly days since I want to try voidstrike, and the game trolls me

[lethal plover]

peril block is the most OP thing ever. ascendant blaze with 6 stacks also clears map like a champ

[candid hawk]

Nothing its just the artwork

[flint sky]

depends what diff and lineup you have

peril blocking is a must imo

[carmine raptor]

Probably tons of guns in the shop though!

[flint sky]

just too useful

[candid temple]

supposedly chance at emperor's gift

[wet cloak]

I pretty much only have guns in my shop as a level 30 psyker

[flint sky]

the last one has to be the charge time for BB

[loud violet]

This is a lie.

[flint sky]

other than that its freeform

[loud violet]

I do not know who started this rumor

[flint sky]

took until a couple of missions into lvl 30 for me to even know that void staff was a thing

[wet cloak]

Pain

[candid temple]

people coping with the fact they haven't had emperor's gift for like 30 missions.

[mild canopy]

Whats best blessing for surge staff? The fearing one, or the crit chance

[weary wasp]

feels like enemies just die off before soulblaze can do anything all the time anyway

[flint sky]

tbh doesnt matter as much with surge because you just want it for the stagger

[lucid mortar]

They wouldn't design an obvious flag for emperor's gift lol, it would break the mission selection

[flint sky]

high charge time and peril reduction base stats are what your looking for really

[lethal plover]

The point is staggering the whole horde in like 180. Then you can spray again or your team goes to town

[candid hawk]

i get them actually often lol. I just got a 496 power heavy laser pistol on my psyker last game lol

[clear delta]

Okay yeah it literally just fires 2 shots every crit. Pretty damn nice, hopefully they update the website with it. Shame there isnt more ways to get crit as psyker

[spring nest]

just got all psyker penances in one game now i have to wait until 25 to get the hood bruh

[thick surge]

the can't be interrupted while charging one most likely. Ranged fire can be a pain otherwise in some situations

[woeful folio]

Member when you got a gift at the end of every game

[edgy heart]

is quell speed the speed of quelling, or the speed i move while quelling?

[untold kestrel]

quell speed

[candid hawk]

speed of quelling

[flint sky]

probably this but its not essential

[candid hawk]

just look at the difference of a high quell speed staff vs your brain bursting quell which has no bonus

[lucid mortar]

"Focused Channeling" is the blessing name

[mellow yarrow]

Thoughts on the force sword?

[flint sky]

pretty good

[candid hawk]

👍

[flint sky]

good utility

[mild canopy]

With surge i just spam right click shortly for cc so charging up or hip fire would be useless, only crit chance for higher dmg or fear for more cc blessings would be useful imo

[flint sky]

blocking ranged is a plus

[weary wasp]

im not a big fan of surge but it feels like the best tool to clear the room out of spread spread-out gunners

[wet cloak]

Force sword is all fun and games until you have to hit things in higher difficulty

But oh boy deflector perk

[lethal plover]

Read above. Peril block with deflector

[candid hawk]

honestly though, the force sword also has amazging dodge

[flint sky]

Ah na its next to useless at killing things but the utility

[thick surge]

even just spamming it can be interrupted

[lethal plover]

It solves the survival issue for psyker

[south monolith]

Forcesword has good break points

[weary wasp]

force sword is bae regardless. infinite dodge. good cleave and high single target damage

[thick surge]

you basically get staggered for 1 sec or so

[flint sky]

eh not as much anymore

they nerfed the base dodge distance

still decent tho

[mellow yarrow]

What makes it hard to kill things at higher difficulty

[weary wasp]

also, FS's heavy push can put a crusher on his ass

[flint sky]

massive health bars

[spring nest]

flame staff any good?

[flint sky]

Yes

[wet cloak]

Flame staff is decent

[mellow yarrow]

I mean specifically with the force sword

[spring nest]

danke

[flint sky]

massive health bars

[south monolith]

Damnation enemies have twice the hp of malice

[candid hawk]

i have no issues with it /shrug

[spring nest]

dont really like voidstrike

[ebon jolt]

Force sword can also knock over any unit besides mutants and monstrosities with block push.

[weary palm]

how the hell do i prog this class, level 9 and im suffering

[flint sky]

and charged force sword locks you in place

[lethal plover]

you can stagger a whole horde by spraying. then either dance with force sword or spray again

[flint sky]

psyker is great below malice

[spring nest]

thanks i think thats deffo more my playstyle

[hoary hamlet]

like every class, keep suffering till 30 then keep suffering

[flint sky]

you really shouldnt be having too much of an issue

[mellow yarrow]

How is voidstrike on lvl 5?

[lethal plover]

also ascendant blaze with 6 stacks on top of flame staff will wipe the map

[spring nest]

level 1s are fatser to level up than 2s

[wet cloak]

The good thing about the flame staff is while the zealot is running around looking for ammo and trying to reload, you're just dancing around spraying everywhere

[mellow yarrow]

Compared to surge

[flint sky]

brainburst is fantastic early

[spring nest]

jesus ill give that a go last time i thought that did no damage

[flint sky]

people swear by one or the other as both are super good

[ebon jolt]

I think it was balanced for malice. Other classes kill things in 1-2 before you can even cast.

[flint sky]

I prefer surge personally

[spring nest]

i really liked surge staff

[wet cloak]

Surge Staff is good, but I find it boring personally

[split geode]

Surge is all I use anymore on 4/5's

[flint sky]

It certainly wasnt balanced for heresy or damnation, thats for sure

[near wyvern]

Yeah this works wonders in 1-3 where you have only low waves but 4 and 5 it's not that one ranger or one mauler you need to worry about. It's the bulwark, crusher, 3 maulers, 2 ragers abd their 50 little friends

[weary wasp]

got that today with void

[flint sky]

This

[spring nest]

when u get the psyker hood do you get the mask variant aswell?

[weary wasp]

shit is great

[candid hawk]

no thats tier 2

[spring nest]

so more challenges?

[flint sky]

Enjoy your 2 second charge time where it takes 4 hits to kill one crusher haha

balanced class haha

[candid hawk]

NGL the head piece in the premium store is fire

that one thats not in a set

[ebon jolt]

I just tried Zealot for the past day and the flamer is so much better than the flame staff…

Makes me sad.

[lethal plover]

remember to block when doing force sword special to skip the last animation

[wet cloak]

That being said a surge staff will absolutely kill an enemy group of ranged that's sticking together. This can be essential since a lot of veterans seem to believe they should be ignoring that ranged and let everyone else deal with them, no I am not salty at all.

[trail tapir]

ye force sword should genuinely work more like the thunder hammer than a chainsword

quick charge, quick release

no 5s animation

[candid hawk]

I am because its true. People dont know their roles yet

[flint sky]

I was talking about brainburst here, but yes I agree

[mellow yarrow]

People are just slow (mentally) in general

[weary wasp]

it does work like chainsword but worse. If the enemy moves away you dont get the benefits of a full damage from what i can tell

[spring nest]

you get the psykers that run in and get mauled because they think theyre a tank

[mellow yarrow]

I jumped to 4 because 3 was way too easy

And assumed people would be better there

I was wrong

[candid hawk]

I wish that little force push the force sword does at the end of the animation kjnocked everything back in an AOE like a push

[lethal plover]

force sword actually gives me the easiest time against crushers. because you actually stun the crusher as well.

[trail tapir]

ironically I don't think it's that much worse performance wise after you get the final traits, except it just feels like a can of deodorant and a zippo vs a genuine flamethrower, something is very off about the feedback of it

[spring nest]

that would be good

[wet cloak]

Most veterans play like it's a melee class ever since they got their power sword and just let the enemy ranged shoot me until I'm dead.

Salt over.

[weary wasp]

that push can put a mauler and a berzerk on their asses. ogryn gunners too

[spring nest]

ong force sword last option if i get overrun

[trail tapir]

zealot's flamer feels heavy and impactful, psyker stuff feels like blowing hot air for some reason

[lethal plover]

people are slowy waking up to power sword's weakness: the dodging

I have switched to trying out other melee weapons for better dodging

[frail geyser]

Just dodgeslide

Its a free dodge extender

[flint sky]

Dont need to dodge when you can cleave the whole horde dead in 1 or two lights

[paper trail]

Voidstrike staff feels amazing slicing holes straight through hordes

[trail tapir]

there's also the dueling sword, granted you won't kill anything but at least you can dodge for days, the quick slashes interrupt hordes well in between and with the peril parry perk you alleviate the biggest problem handily

[frail geyser]

Powersword can stay busted

[flint sky]

Its really fun to play

[frail geyser]

Have you met an avg vet?

They need it man

[tranquil badge]

Are there different Mk for the powersword and does one have better cleave than the others?

[flint sky]

It should but zealot should get it too

[frail geyser]

They dont block they dont dodge

[spring nest]

ill give that a go aswell when i used it it was so weak but might be useful for that

[frail geyser]

Zealot fine

Evis is awesome and flamer is overtuned

[trail tapir]

it is weak damage wise but extremely fast, although it depends which mark you get

[flint sky]

Flamer is fine

[trail tapir]

2 is ass

[frail geyser]

Powerhammer needs better dmg on heabies thats about it

[trail tapir]

4 and 5 are cool

[flint sky]

yes

[wet cloak]

Powerhammer does need more damage

[lethal plover]

power sword is good when enemies are in a controlled situation
that cell-carrying part in desert map really makes me re-evaluate the importance of dodging

[weary wasp]

flamer cant snipe and only gets its use on hordes and elites

[lethal plover]

it doesn't matter how many you kill, if you are killed

[flint sky]

stick with your team and cleave together

[mellow yarrow]

Positioning is more important than dodging

[flint sky]

0 issues

[mellow yarrow]

Imo

[lethal plover]

I now believe surviving forever is more important than anything

[flint sky]

still the best melee weapon and its hard to turn away from it

[iron flame]

Sad... They really need solo mission option. Found a raid chasm mission at difficulty 4. Got to the bridge.

[spring nest]

also dont know if anyone noticed i put my worked threads down in the setting no changes but i got a massive fps boost on 8

[iron flame]

Some fucker joined and lead the horde away from me

😭

[spring nest]

that for a penance?

[trail tapir]

dueling sword V I think is overall best, the moveset on light attack is diagonal swipe - diagonal swipe - downward swipe with penetration, and the heavy is just repeated downward swings.

It works because you can really easily headshot things with the downward swings

[iron flame]

Yea. Push 7 ppl off the edge

I just want that hood

[flint sky]

thats a utility of its own but at the cost of your ability to actually deal with the situation rather than kicking the can down the road

[jovial frigate]

the fact that zealot launched without any dual wielded weapons is trash

[frail geyser]

Why not both?

[spring nest]

i tried 7 games to get that quit trying then got it on accident

[lethal plover]

can it block bullets? checkmate atheists

[frail geyser]

2 sides of the same coin amigo

[mellow yarrow]

I'm not implying you take one over the other

[wet cloak]

@iron flame Cliffhanger? You need to push 20 people off within 2 seconds

[trail tapir]

no but my ogryn teammate can

[flint sky]

I like the dueling sword a lot

[iron flame]

They nerfed it to 7

[lethal plover]

you can also, with force sword

[solar loom]

The Cliffhanger achievement is a lot easier now than it used to be

[wet cloak]

I see

[mellow yarrow]

But in the example used (desert map) positioning nullifies most of that difficulty

[solar loom]

I was sitting at 19 before they patched it down to 7

[trail tapir]

I've literally never seen a deflection perk on a force sword yet myself

so maybe you can but like

[wet cloak]

Goddamn kids, back in my day it was 20 :P

[mellow yarrow]

I generally don't go down even on 4-5 and I've been playing all of 3 days

Vermintide vet though

[trail tapir]

the best place for it is the throneside map, at the bridge event

just stand next to a ledge and push

[frail geyser]

Well yea you get it then

[candid temple]

you've been upgrading all greys and greens from store to blue?

[frail geyser]

Game of resource and control

[candid temple]

(with decent rolls)

[iron flame]

Do they like climb up from some ledge?

[trail tapir]

yes, en masse

[solar loom]

I already got mine. I think I did it on Logistratum, on the part where there is a small plank running alongside a larger bridge.

[trail tapir]

it's a horde defense where the mobs climb up

if you push them off diagonally they will just fall off to their deaths

the only hard part is getting the angle right since there is a small shelf below the ledge

so if you push them straight, they'll fall down there

[frail geyser]

Im a big fan of the espionage finale

[iron flame]

Yea I was there. And right as a horde was coming to me. Some fucker joined and moved to the middle and slaughtered them all. I just ragequit

[mellow yarrow]

BB not scaling with difficulty seems like such a strange oversight

[gray kelp]

is it better to farm low or higher diffs for plasteel?

[frail geyser]

Those bridges are small and flooded with mobs

[mellow yarrow]

They could have simply made it percentage damage

[frail geyser]

Bb just bad design

[mellow yarrow]

And been done with it

[flint sky]

Its not an oversight. Fatshark intentionally shit on psykers

[solar loom]

Yea, the biggest problem with all of these achievements is that they require you to sabotage your team or require your team to help you get them.

[wet cloak]

Since when has Fatshark liked magic characters?

[trail tapir]

the reason why I like throneside for this is it's a long event and it's predictable and you can do it in a random game without bothering your team.

[frail geyser]

Math for chargetime+peril gen to dmg so trash

[trail tapir]

so there's no farming needed

literally just play the map and try a couple times

[candid temple]

BB got overnerfed.

[flint sky]

300 dps

lmao

[iron flame]

Meanwhile some fucker said it is spammable so it should be nerfed

[flint sky]

vets pulling 1000 something dps with a bolter post nerf

[frail geyser]

Compared to any of the good weps is so funny

[ebon sedge]

Which dueling sword do you prefer?

[wet cloak]

It's those fucking streamers I bet, probably the only ones Fatshark listen to.

[candid temple]

Force Sword.

[trail tapir]

V or IV

V is better imho

[candid temple]

no, fatshark doesn't listen to anyone.

we saw that in vt2

[frail geyser]

It only took them like 7 years to make the vt2 ui funcional or something lol

[wet cloak]

It's amazing Fatshark still exists to this day. They're definitely not even an average gaming company

[frail geyser]

'Heres a vt1 pack, no it doesnt have the wizards tower even tho that level is one of the best in that game'

[elfin smelt]

How exactly does warp flurry work? I rolled it on a purgatus staff and I'm unsure if its one stack per cast or if it will keep stacking if I keep channeling

[weary wasp]

i am left with a single penance left on zealot and its fucking killing me because you need a dedicated team to speedrun the level. its as bad as the psyker boss one

[flint sky]

Warhammer horde games innit

[lethal plover]

Fewer horde modifier is your friend

[night marten]

be ready to ask every pug if they wanna go fast, might get lucky with a cooperative group

[olive ember]

Maybe my memory is failing me but iirc in closed beta test you could one shot maulers with BB atleast in uprising (Idr malice)

[wet cloak]

@flint sky Very true

[iron flame]

They made the best warhmmaer game ever so they don't have to listen to us? The rage we felt as we have to BB a Mutant 4 time only for a vet to delete it? Illusion.

[weary wasp]

i had a good group and that was going relatively fast minus for stacks of bulwarks and it still took too long. you basically have to skip enemies at points which is a nono for pugs

[carmine raptor]

Is it the 90% corruption for 10 mins one?

[candid temple]

BB would be an okay ability if it had like 5-10 second cooldown, instant cast on g press, press-and-hold for targeting.

[night marten]

that's fair

[weary wasp]

finish level under 20 mins with a wound worth of heals for 75% of the time

[candid temple]

right now it has dogshit casting time, dogshit peril, clunky af quelling (switch back to staff to quell, kill me please)

[olive ember]

Would need to hard buff it’s damage then, I would want to see it one shot basically everything if it’s put on a 10 second cooldown

Also would need an entire rework of the class with warp charges + venting

[carmine raptor]

Iirc you don't have to beat the mission, I think you can just survive with tons of corruption for like 10mins and wipe?

[olive ember]

Patched

[lethal plover]

You still use BB religiously on t4 t5 for

Bomber and sniper

[weary wasp]

i did for 5 mins. Pretty sure they fixed it

[full atlas]

https://gyazo.com/06a28652c513d797aa0bc3dae03652cc
https://gyazo.com/e7469914609c92a08d8fbd53cedc30ed
which ones better?

[carmine raptor]

Ah, okay. I saw people a few days ago doing that, at least they changed the penance. Wasn't it 10 mins originally?

[flint sky]

Yeah psyker is fine for malice even now

the problem is scaling
Go to damnation and your elite clear is phenomenally bad

[candid temple]

wdym, why?

[ivory forge]

any psyker bro want to join a heresy run to help us do a penance? We got 3 people.

[olive ember]

Because a single BB every 10 seconds is abysmal

[near wyvern]

Obviously the white

[candid temple]

??? I use zero BB most games.

[weary wasp]

Venting is only an issue if youre venting all for some reason. Which you should not do

[olive ember]

You literally get your ult back in 30 seconds so that’s basically 3 BB every ult

And imo you aren’t using BB enough imo

[near wyvern]

You upgrade that white and it will roll even better than that orange

[olive ember]

Even on higher difficulties

[flint sky]

What diff are you playing?

BB fucking sucks

[carmine raptor]

It's good in some specific situations even on damnation but not nearly as useful as malice and lower.

[flint sky]

staff slave is a far more useful tool for your team

[olive ember]

4, but the rando pigs make me rage quit and I go down to 1 😛

[iron flame]

If they don't want to rework. I say just Rework the BB. Give it an empowered version that you get every 45 second. Empowered BB is instant cast, do triple damage, explode in an aoe

[flint sky]

aaaaand disregarded

[olive ember]

Lmao

[weary wasp]

you need 2 bb pops to killa hound at 4

[flint sky]

god no

just increase damage scaling

so you dont do 300dps a second on enemies with 2500hp

[olive ember]

I mean you still use BB

[meager pulsar]

i'm making a detailed post but BB should hit max charge, and when it doesn't kill, pulse damage until target dies, generating peril

[weary wasp]

or you could just push it once and kick it in the face

[flint sky]

Barely

[olive ember]

Aren’t using it enough then

Imho

[candid temple]

why would you use BB over staff?

[flint sky]

Vet bolter melts most of the good targets far more effectively

[carmine raptor]

What do you use BB for on heresy+?

[wet cloak]

I don't even bother using BB on higher than malice difficulty, I just use the purgatus and the perk that gives it a 10% chance to go off for warp stacks, along with the 4%.

[candid temple]

besides very, very niche cases where you want to bb a sniper.

[untold kestrel]

or just horde clear quickly with void so you can run up and force sword special the elites

[flint sky]

why use bbs when you can stagger for the vet

[loud violet]

Because your vet might be a potato

[weary wasp]

look, if you need to use double or tripple bb for something that can be dealt with in one bolter or a shotgun shot, youre basicaly wasting time

[flint sky]

Not if you premade like god intended

[olive ember]

Gunners trappers bursters bombers snipers and against ogryn targets if needed

[loud violet]

Premade is too much effort

[flint sky]

Its really not

simply have friends

or join an LFG server

[candid temple]

or even half-charge void blast or two left clicks

[flint sky]

instant competent 4 man

[candid temple]

granted, you need a decent aim for that

[olive ember]

My premade only has one vet so when they get surpressed by 5 gunners and two reapers I’ll bb

[weary wasp]

void is bae

[carmine raptor]

It's 2 BBs for gunners, right? And they spawn in huge packs sometimes

[weary wasp]

takes heads clean off with that silly hitbox

[olive ember]

It’s single bb even on damnation

[flint sky]

lmao

[carmine raptor]

Huh, I swear it was two but I could be mistaken. Thanks, I'll give that a try

[olive ember]

It would be an even bigger pain in the ass to get pick n mix otherwise

[spice maple]

I got pick n mix popping gunner packs

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flint sky]

1 shot bolter in 0.3 seconds or charge for a full 2 seconds generating peril the whole time

tough choice

[carmine raptor]

Very cool, I usually reserve BB for bombers, snipers, and trappers.

[night marten]

That's also how I use it

[trail tapir]

actually, do you guys like the chainsword on psyker

[olive ember]

Yeah gl hitting that bolter shot when you are surpressed by 5 gunners + 2 reapers + 20 normal shooters halfway across the room

[shut swallow]

I just switched from Essence Harvest to Quietude and it is so much stronger when paired with Ascendant Blaze/Purgatus. I was really gimping myself. It seems like Essence Harvest is only strong when paired with kinetic barrage.

[night marten]

(though I tend to push the bursters more, only BB if I have a ton of lead time)

[flint sky]

or surge staff the ranged pod and watch it melt

[loud violet]

Doesnt cost any ammo

[flint sky]

without being able to shoot

[wet cloak]

I also use BB for poxbursters, except if I see it going for the vet, then I don't.

[flint sky]

lol. lmao

who runs out of ammo?

[loud violet]

I mainly use BB for anything thats hard to get

[weary wasp]

The simple fact is that it is not suppose to be this bad in the first place. on top of lacklustre talents the class mechanic is also subpar, which is not the case for other classes

[loud violet]

or if we're pinned by multiple ranged

[olive ember]

This guy doesn’t have a clue at what he’s talking about but he’s dismissing others outright

[flint sky]

a bolter with decent ammo should never be out of shots

[candid temple]

I don't know how well purgatus kills, but warp absorbtion is crazy with void.

[weary wasp]

like...zealot cleans house on t4 with any weapon

[night marten]

vets and zealots do

[olive ember]

Oh wait that’s typically what happens with people who don’t have a clue what they are talking about

[flint sky]

I clear damnations easily, you rq to sedition

we are not the same

[burnt tapir]

Does quietude work with transfer peril?

[finite goblet]

and then suddenly a random rail or see through fence happens and you can no longer target with BB lol

[olive ember]

Rando pubs who die 3 steps in do that to ya yeah

[carmine raptor]

This dude is omega tier, we should all listen to his awful takes. Jfc

[candid temple]

have you tried lfg?

[shut swallow]

I find myself a little less useful when there's a zealot running flamer on the team, but if not then purgatus is a great horde clear/CC staff.

[candid temple]

Like, why would anyone play heresy/damnation with randoms

[loud violet]

And just like that we can determine the value of your thoughts

[flint sky]

just because im being insufferable doesnt mean im wrong

[olive ember]

I should but I got some bad memories from GTFO lfg’s

[weary wasp]

because they can

[night marten]

it's only insufferable because not everyone thinks you're right

[flint sky]

I'm just really sick of having the "BB is useful" argument with people who dont play the class

[weary wasp]

heresy is easy on zealot

[shut swallow]

Because it's charming to play Heresy with randoms. You can either have an incredible experience or a nasty one, which just means you can test your own limits with dead weight.

[olive ember]

He assumes anyone who thinks BB is remotely useful “doesn’t play psyker” Jesus

[night marten]

eh, it is useful. but it should be tweaked imo

[flint sky]

wat

[flint sky]

Marginally

[olive ember]

I remember when I asked for buffs on psykers peril generation and I got the same retarded replies on Reddit

[flint sky]

to the point of near irrelevance

[flint sky]

Peril gen isnt the issue

[olive ember]

“Lmao you don’t have 1000 hours and clear damnation opinion invalid you don’t play the game”

[flint sky]

the issue is DPS

[carmine raptor]

Just block and move on, condescending people like that ruin these channels.

[wet cloak]

Everyone thinks BB is useful until they see a Veteran delete 4 elites within 5 seconds with a Bolter.

[olive ember]

That was pre patch psyker I was complaining about, the “bb twice to 90 and vent down to 80” psyker

[flint sky]

You can judge a lot about peoples takes by their experience in the game

[olive ember]

Sure sure

[weary wasp]

Thats kind of a point. Its just a worse option than other classes have. Sure, killing gunners from cover is fine and dandy, but chances are your vet will swipe 3 of those while youre still channeling on 1

[flint sky]

Keep using 4 bbs to kill a reaper buddy

[weary wasp]

the class needs more synergy with own bloody talents, overall

[candid temple]

i'd kill to get +50% damage with staff for a few seconds on G press.

[olive ember]

Meh I’m fine with buffs either way but telling people you never use bb ain’t true either

[shut swallow]

He still can't hit the bomber if he can't see it, we come in handy in those cases, we might get a glimpse of a one shot bb special as it runs away and it can make the difference. (not speaking to damnation difficulty)

[frail geyser]

I think pugging 4/5s wouldnt be as bad if it forced 1 of each class

Maybe

Itd still be pretty rough lol

[trail tapir]

yes, in short, BB and talents feel bad because BB is useful in a very tight niche (hitting a low health special that is unreachable by the resident lasgun Veteran) meanwhile the talent tree treats it as if it is a consistently useful tool applicable in nearly every encounter

[frail geyser]

Youd still get the no dodging vet running off out of coherency all the time

[olive ember]

And yeah I default to my surge staff but if there’s a bunch of gunners and a sniper in cover across the map and I have space I’ll bb

[weary wasp]

4 isnt as bad as some make it out to be if you can carry once in a while

imao

[night marten]

Complete guess, but I'm not sure there are enough ogryns running t4/5 to get a full class party in pugs with low queue times

[frail geyser]

Maybe

[night marten]

I see lots of the other classes, few ogryns

[frail geyser]

Or maybe they just all have friends

[weary wasp]

yeah, pretty much that

[olive ember]

You don’t need an ogryn, cleared with a two vet two psyker pig before (though yes having a competent ogryn helps)

[night marten]

for sure you definitely don't need one. I mean for the purpose of requiring 1 class per group on missions

[flint sky]

[weary wasp]

3 vets or 3 zealots is a funny kind of good steamroll tho

[olive ember]

Oh yeah it’ll be like ffxiv except vets/zealots are the DPS and ogryns and psykers will be the tanks/healers

[shut swallow]

Especially if they're bringing kits that complement one another. I like that about Darktide, no subclasses yet but the weapons really can fill niches between stacked classes.

[night marten]

I still need to play the latest expansion.. but some buddies are getting into Dragonflight so I'm probably going to be spending more time on that

[olive ember]

Lmao I’m broke so I’m on free trial but WHM main so ez healer queues

[weary wasp]

be a bro and cover your flamethrower/surge users, kids

[olive ember]

Nothing tilts me more than cc’ing a pox hound and a mutant at the same time

And not a single teammate helps kill them

[night marten]

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[full coral]

what feats are you guys using on your surge staff psyke build with deflector on force sword?

[olive ember]

I need to get in the habit of just killing them with my melee after cc’ing

[olive ember]

That’s wat I run

Still not sure if kinetic flayer is worth over 6 warp charges though

And honestly the first column changes depending on how you play

[shut swallow]

Essence Harvest might be stronger if you run kinetic barrage but I still don't know what to think about BB-ing trash in the middle of a fight.

[flint sky]

Yeah na not worth

for a pitiful 12% damage boost

Vet presses F and gets 50%

[olive ember]

Yeah the main reason I run quietude is the ability to gain toughness via passive vent basically

[gray kelp]

in the case of surge building warp charges is to max use of peril reduction in second column

[olive ember]

I mean more warp charges for the extra peril resistance but I’d have to see if there’s any real difference

[flint sky]

Yeah thats decent

[weary wasp]

why do you need peril resistance anyway when you can just be edging?

[night marten]

would love to be proven wrong, but I don't think BB'ing trash is ever the play. Should only ever BB armor/distance targets, and rely on passive kills and/or ascendant blaze for warp charges

[flint sky]

quell is so quick I really dont get the peril resist argument tho

[shut swallow]

Because I suck at the surge staff and blow myself up constantly might be one reason 😭

[weary wasp]

try other classes at 30

[flint sky]

edging even with staffs is far more efficient and peril resist can throw edging calc off

[olive ember]

For safety just don’t release your staff past like 85%

[gray kelp]

edging with surge is risky, feels like you have no leeway past 100%

[flint sky]

you can explode at 84 with a full surge charge iirc

[weary wasp]

just find a sweetspot in sim and stick to it

[full coral]

took me way too long to get used to using the surge staff 😄

[flint sky]

well the staff F ability bug certainly doesnt help atm

[shut swallow]

Meanwhile the Purge can be used at 100 and your passive might even quell to 90% mid charge attack letting you save your ult for a few precious seconds.

[trail tapir]

Does purgatus feel a lot different when you get the lvl 30 perk? Cause frankly I hate the fact that once I'm more than 15 meters away from more than two basic shooty mobs, i have precisely two choices: retreat behind a pillar or barrel, or die

[flint sky]

no

hope you have a vet thats decent

or a void staff

[gray kelp]

ascendant blaze is a decent buff to purgatus due to ease of generating warp charges, but its not going to change how it actually plays

[cunning osprey]

Alternatively, get a force sword with the deflector perk and close the distance like a terminator

[trail tapir]

Guess I better get used to dying to random dregs

[native thorn]

this is made up for by purge being a worse staff

[weary wasp]

i own 5 force swords and yet to see the deflector perk in a shop

[flint sky]

Yes

[trail tapir]

Yeah that is an option, too bad force sword is such a terrible weapon

[olive ember]

How much peril reduction does deflector give btw cuz my t1 deflector trait reduces cost by like 9%

[native thorn]

this is a new take. ngl

[trail tapir]

I just hate the moveset/damage combination

[cunning osprey]

I disagree. It doesn't have cleave, sure. But between the different force staffs, you have plenty of horde clearing options

[gray kelp]

purg isnt terrible though I think void is generally a bit better. Kinetic deflection can be helpful for gap closing, and the flamethrower cc's all the small stuff which is good

[flint sky]

Not by much tho, purge isnt massively behind void and surge

[shut swallow]

I have to hard disagree, but I guess I don't have a leg to stand on since the only mastercraft staff I have atm is a decent purge.

[trail tapir]

I know it's not objectively weak, it just feels awful to use for me

[cunning osprey]

The charged heavy special one-tap phases all assassination bosses

[native thorn]

aha yeah if you don't like the feel fair enough.

[cunning osprey]

The push is probably the best available to a psyker

[olive ember]

A bit extreme. But Ive seen many people swear by the axe or the dueling sword over the force sword

[native thorn]

main thing for me is its kind of a middle ground. If I wanna murder i'll void. If i wanna cc i'll surge. I prefer specializing

[cunning osprey]

Plus, if you have a charge or two and run the peril blocking perk, you can practically infini-block ranged

[candid temple]

[shut swallow]

I noticed earlier today that deflector even works against ranged while reviving downed teammates and that's insanely good.

[flint sky]

Im the same I dont really personally like fire but I wont deny it has utility

[native thorn]

Oh yeah that's fine, I like dueling sword myself. I think axe dueling and FS all have their place. Very dependent on your staff choice

[gray kelp]

btw anyone know if its better to run higher or lower diffs for plasteel farming? getting bottlenecked hard by it

[flint sky]

YEah its nice

[olive ember]

This man straight up forgot about trauma staff

[flint sky]

Higher more loot

[native thorn]

Trauma's in the name and the play mate, I've repressed those memories

[flint sky]

allegedly at least

[night marten]

we don't talk about trauma staff

[gray kelp]

I guess ill continue my routine of scraping heresy randoms off the floor then

[weary wasp]

light, heavy, block cancel/light push
alternatively, light 1, heavy, light light

heavy charged up special for killing elites, after a heavy push if they are targeting you

force sword has a lot for it going if used correctly. infinite dodge and best push in the game (minus maybe shield) help that as well

[olive ember]

Any day now they will buff the trauma staff…. Any day….

[flint sky]

Dont torture yourself join a community of decent players

pm me if you want a link to one

[native thorn]

also imo if you're going purg then FS is really nice

[unkempt wadi]

thoughts on the staff

[native thorn]

You really want that big boi nuke power

[untold kestrel]

anything less than 350 in the modifiers section isn't great

[native thorn]

I don't usually run FS because I usually run surge

[shut swallow]

Yeah there's no way in hell I'm gonna sacrifice my only defense against a rager in my face if I'm running Purge staff.

[native thorn]

I want solid horde weapons

[gray kelp]

charge rate is low on that one, probably pass?

[native thorn]

lmao yeah this

[weary wasp]

1 light, 1 heavy combo clears house tho

[cedar grove]

Now I just need 40 more mission completions and I will be a real boy siblings

[flint sky]

Absolutely pass

[flint sky]

This guy fucks

[night marten]

all psyker penances complete?

[cedar grove]

Except for the one that requires 100 missions for the hood

[lethal plover]

got a gray force sword I consecreated to this

[night marten]

I'm just missing Lifeleech 5

[native thorn]

will give it a go sometime, admittedly I also like running non force weapons for the passive quell into free toughness from the feat

[lethal plover]

deflector from hadron

[loud violet]

I usually just switch between random weapons

using the same staff all day every day

make me a very dull sibling

[candid temple]

too low warp resist and charge speed

[loud violet]

Also the emperor gave me this.

brrrt

[flint sky]

I just switch between surge and void

Void is undoubtedly the most fun to play tho

[weary wasp]

to be more specific you either need a block cancel or go ultra agressive with light, heavy, light, and then next light resets the combo

but the push on sword is so good that you can hold a horde is a stun

[flint sky]

Surge is super strong but very boring

[weary wasp]

just dont use heavy push, its 1 target only. unless its a rager or smtn

[night marten]

yea

[cedar grove]

Surge feels boring cause of how few it can chain lightning

[loud violet]

I just played a game with surge and our veteran was doing melee only

[olive ember]

It does feel nice when you just stun lock 3 different dogs coming from 3 different directions with surge tho

[cedar grove]

Void feels good because bowling ball into horde

[flint sky]

Main challenge rn is to fight boredom when trying to grind 100 missions on damnation

[native thorn]

Aye but the push thingy generates peril and cancels my autoquell

[flint sky]

I want me hood

[tropic halo]

i know the pain all too well, sibling

[night marten]

dont burnout lol

[iron flame]

I am noob. Can't combo for shit. Are there no horde clearing weapon with just light attack all day ?

[olive ember]

You get another hood for damnation?

[candid temple]

nothing good.

[loud violet]

Couple light the force push.

[flint sky]

I've been swapping between vet and zealot too for leveling

[flint sky]

No it's just completes

But I get extra bored on lower diffs

[junior ruin]

try dueling sword

[weary wasp]

Clarifying just in case - light push generates nothing, and the heavy comes after it and does the thing

[native thorn]

ah you meant normal push

[weary wasp]

yeh

[native thorn]

is it that much better than other normal pushes?

[night marten]

been screwing around on a shield ogryn, hilarious how much safer you feel even sub 20 with a shield even on higher difficulties

[weary wasp]

its very solid

[native thorn]

nice

Will give that a go next time i'm off surge

[flint sky]

It's crazy the difference in survivability ay? You get so used to being a glass cannon without the cannon

[frail geyser]

Its called push attack

[loud violet]

with force sword we can stun everyone around us briefly

[frail geyser]

Not heavy push

[native thorn]

push attack is the follow up to push

[native thorn]

the stun everyone around costs peril

[frail geyser]

It ignores hitmass

So yes

[loud violet]

Not anymore, was patched out.

[native thorn]

ah

I will wait for that on gamepass lmao

[flint sky]

Psykers try not to take an L challenge

[candid temple]

uhh?

[frail geyser]

Light>heavy> push on fs is genuinely not that hard

[native thorn]

actually if i'm reading it right it's a buff

[weary wasp]

needs like 2 mins of practice

[loud violet]

It is a buff

[native thorn]

ye

[flint sky]

Oh shit misread my bad

[weary wasp]

i fucking hate penances that need a premade

[runic hornet]

the closest you'll get is dueling sword but if you have to ask, you're probably not quite good enough at hitting heads to make it even usable, much less "good"

[lavish cipher]

Chainsword

[loud violet]

Yeah some of them needs a friendly pug or premade.

[runic hornet]

oops, wrong reply

[weary wasp]

let me be asocial, fatshark

[flint sky]

??

[frail geyser]

The range on push didnt matter anyways bc of how horde depth works

[flint sky]

Really?

[night marten]

Pick n mix is tricky, but I actually think zealot/veteran might have it worse

[flint sky]

Got the dog jump first game

[frail geyser]

?

[long wharf]

pick n mix is the bane of my existence right now

[native thorn]

eh comboing ain't accuracy

head aiming skill can comefrom lots of other games

[weary wasp]

im sitting at 6/7 with cliffhanger

[flint sky]

Yeah zealots is cracked

[weary wasp]

feelsbad

[summer prairie]

the only bad psyker penance is the one requiring you to take out elites while blowing up

[native thorn]

comboing is for first person melee

[summer prairie]

others you can just get playing normally

[trail tapir]

the Emperor blessed his faithful servant today

[wise stag]

What is the best level 25 feat?

[trail tapir]

first time I saw one

[flint sky]

The boss penance for psyker is just incredibly boring

Not that hard

[summer prairie]

oh that too

[native thorn]

Might be obvious but just in case it's easier if you precharge with rmb and wait for the jump

[night marten]

start a mission asap with bots, first pack generally has some elites. soften em up with surge or purge staff, suicide in. you should get it

[weary wasp]

killing boss with bb is like killing it with bare hands

[candid temple]

don't need to do penance if you just swipe 💳 for aquila

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[frail geyser]

300dps lmao

[summer prairie]

I know I can get it, but I don't go for penances intentionally and that one requires you to throw

[native thorn]

half of what's best for psyker depends on how you're playing. We don't just build for more big boom

[night marten]

this is what I recommended for pick n mix yesterday #psyker-class message

[flint sky]

Wait... you can buy penance?

[weary wasp]

whom do i pay for a flesh wound penance

[flint sky]

Actually it's less than that as warp charges will degrade as you go

[frail geyser]

Its so funny that charging bb slows you down

[minor pelican]

Is it better to charge the warp or just start warping the pree selected target

[flint sky]

And theres no dodge on it anymore

[frail geyser]

Like its trying to balance out the big dick dmg it allegedly does lol

[native thorn]

oh god really?

[flint sky]

Fatshark just hate magic

[paper seal]

depends what it is

[native thorn]

dodge still on gamepass

[paper seal]

also wait what

[native thorn]

sadge

[paper seal]

did they remove the dodge from bb?

[flint sky]

One short dodge then a shorter then none

[paper seal]

oh just slide when you dodge

it gets you enough distance

[native thorn]

[flint sky]

Slidings fine but it's still way too shit compared to other weapons dodge

[fading jewel]

i actually finally completed it at lvl 20 😄

how do i find what type of mission im misingh

[weary wasp]

Direct target is better and much cheaper. But precharge can be popped off at any moment, so its best used when youre expecting a hound or a burster around the corner. You need to press left mouse while holding right and targeting something with charge maxed out, in case.

[paper seal]

you cant its so bad

its probably espionage

[night marten]

you don't

[flint sky]

I never knew that people had such an issue with that penance

Cool name btw

[native thorn]

also remember once LMB bb is locked it's locked

No hiding

[paper seal]

I got the pox hound one by accident on my very first run

[native thorn]

You have to be able to see them when you pop the RMB charge

[minor pelican]

yee i got that

[native thorn]

rmb is mostly for special situations

[paper seal]

basically, I only pre-charge when I know some type of fast/destructive enemy is coming, like a poxburster or mutie or dog

[native thorn]

if you hear a bomb boi around you can precharge to delete it the moment yo usee it

yeah like mama said

[flint sky]

RMB sucks

[fading jewel]

thx xbox 360 10 year old name 😄

[paper seal]

rmb does suck it uses up so much peril to charge

imo its really only probably worth it for bursters

[native thorn]

yes

[weary wasp]

hounds too

[native thorn]

yeah nothing else really brings enough threat fast enough

[weary wasp]

fuck hounds in particular

[native thorn]

LMB is goated for hounds

[sharp bronze]

At what point is peril considered "critical"?

[frail geyser]

I just zap bursters and dogs

[paper seal]

idk hounds aren't destructive enough

[paper seal]

when its red

i think

[minor pelican]

im trying to get that stafff

[weary wasp]

no but they can run away easily

[sharp bronze]

I'm trying to figure out a number value

[native thorn]

7/10 times I pop hounds before a vet finally lands a shot on it

[paper seal]

yeah but all you gotta do is tap m1 on it while you see it

then no matter how far it runs, its dead

[native thorn]

which is why lmb op

[runic hornet]

why are you arguing like you can't do both

[weary wasp]

i like it dead the moment i see it
simple as

[runic hornet]

you can "transfer" a pratial RMG charge into an LMB lock

[flint sky]

No wonder. The thing is both immaterial and material

Bouncing off walls n shit

[paper seal]

yes but the peril cost is insane

[runic hornet]

you hold RMB the moment you think you need it

[night marten]

pushing bursters is the tech most pugs still need to figure out. best way to avoid anyone taking damage since they're intentionally sneaky

[native thorn]

surge staff laughs at bursters

[runic hornet]

as long as it appears before you reach 100% ready-to-burst, it's fine

[flint sky]

Never thought about doing that neat

[frail geyser]

What happens when 2 dogs tho

[native thorn]

cri

[runic hornet]

git gud

[flint plover]

pop one while dodging the other

[paper seal]

peril economy in higher difficulties be real

[runic hornet]

(die)

[frail geyser]

I dont cry

I play surge lol

[native thorn]

get your dark souls shield lmao

[runic hornet]

and yeah surge staff is where it's at

[frail geyser]

Send 3 dogs at me idgaf

[native thorn]

oh yeah fair

[runic hornet]

with voidstrike as a close second

[flint sky]

I really hate them. Worst one spawned behind a door and dived out before it opened

[native thorn]

I lose so little health playing surge

[frail geyser]

Why wpuld I swap to my dpgshit blitz

[weary wasp]

push them both and kick them in the mouth

[flint sky]

Not even 1 bb by the way

[runic hornet]

surge is better for elites, voidstrike is better for "my team is shit and won't kill enemy rifles"

[night marten]

yeaaaaa it's bad sometimes. the spawn closets can absolutely be bullshit

[flint sky]

This

[native thorn]

Void's also nice for "i have no idea if my group is gonna be braindead"

[flint plover]

so the latter, 90% of the time

[paper seal]

bursters are so jank imo. sometimes the noise just will not happen until they are on your ass (not spawning out of a door, I have seen one quietly running), plus wrath doesn't ever push them unless they are jumping

[weary wasp]

void turns into a meatgrinder

[flint sky]

Feel like they should also have far less hp

[flint plover]

i think I had two trappers spawn in a door while we were outside

[native thorn]

thing is even if your team doesn't play too well around surge

[frail geyser]

I handle shooters p well on surge with a mix of dodgeslide and deflection fs

[native thorn]

It's kind of a healing staff

[flint sky]

Trappers are fine if your team sticks together

[weary wasp]

ive got shot by a sniper through the spawn door today

[native thorn]

It's really easy to prevent team taking damage with surge

[flint sky]

Low HP good sound ques and quick recovery if you do fuck up

[night marten]

or something, they're a bit much currently

[trail tapir]

yeah surge is an amazing support stick

[paper seal]

trappers are easy to dodge plus its like 0.5 sec to release someone

[frail geyser]

Just shoot the red light

[flint plover]

i don't doubt it, but it seems like every vet i've grouped with for the past few days enjoys horde clearing with their lasers instead of killing the ranged

[native thorn]

Also just chain stunning everything around an evis zealot with a horde weapon is hilarious

[flint sky]

Hard to shoot with my mind powers and electric staff

[flint plover]

i'll keep an eye out for a goodp urge staff tho

surge*

[frail geyser]

All surge staffs are queens

[native thorn]

pretty sure my sibling would use the word kaiser lmao

[frail geyser]

Its the least roll dependant of the staffs imo

[native thorn]

definitely

Though I do like the melee freedom void gives me

[jovial frigate]

anyone tried axes past level 10?

[native thorn]

mk5 seems really good

Lots of people loving it

haven't heard much good about mk7

[jovial frigate]

im guessing 7 is poop

[native thorn]

Most of the recommendations go to mk5, dueling sword or FS

[flint sky]

Yes it's one of the two best melee weapons for zealot

[native thorn]

people been loving mk5 on psyker tbh

[flint sky]

I prefer force or dueling sword

[loud violet]

I just wanna steal a power sword from a veteran

That thing makes me jealous

[flint sky]

Na psyker shouldnt get powersword

[twin wing]

any difference between vet ps and psy?

[native thorn]

vet has power sword

we have force sword

entirely different weapons

[twin wing]

oh shi

[native thorn]

PS is godly cleave

FS is a nuke

[twin wing]

whats best melee for psy then

fs?

[loud violet]

I just want a FS with cleave

[native thorn]

what's your staff

[loud violet]

😿

[twin wing]

still leveling

[frail geyser]

Dont be jealous of ps on vet

[twin wing]

void rn

[flint sky]

Terms and conditions apply*

[lethal plover]

Fs blocks bullets

[frail geyser]

Those players need the training wheels

[native thorn]

void lets you have some freedom

Mk5 axe, dueling sword or FS are all solid enough

[flint sky]

Dueling sword or fs for most people I'd guess

Axes are decent

[twin wing]

was going void for ads and fs for more chunky guys but i keep using head popper instead of sword

[flint sky]

What diff?

[twin wing]

never get close enough

[native thorn]

FS demolishes bosses and has pretty good crowd control

[twin wing]

malice/heresy