psyker-class

[vivid merlin]

like I can kind of see a good brain burst design space being a tool to handle upcoming trappers/dogs/mutants that you hear coming from offscreen, but it currently costs too much, does too little damage, and the ramping cost of holding a charge is insane

[limpid hill]

at least we have the free warp charges with the tier 3 feat

[bold maple]

flame > void > surge > trauma

[radiant wadi]

Setting everything on fire and having a tenth of the enemies you burn getting warp charged

[lethal plover]

and with ascendant blaze + warp charge, flame build is crazy good

[safe sun]

True though, voidstrike is decent too but CC on surge is way too valuable. Trauma and Purgatus are completely worthless

[dusk pilot]

oh ye, staggering a charge is only really viable for the penance, otherwise you gain so much peril too quickly

[vivid merlin]

if you are burning exactly 10 enemies every 15 seconds

[bold maple]

did you just call my boy purge worthless

[limpid hill]

do they plan on adding more weapons tho?

[lethal plover]

I think they fixed kinetic flayer for soulblaze tick

[safe sun]

Yes. It's awful.

[bold maple]

just like you

[coral cave]

i dont like the surge staff but its clearly the best staff the psyker can bring for their team

[dusk pilot]

Voidstrike does CC as well

[bold maple]

been running damnation for past 2 days and I wouldnt trade purge for anything

[dusk pilot]

I've staggered many an elite

It's just not as long lasting

[radiant wadi]

I meant warp charge not pop mb

[lethal plover]

nah, different scenarios. when your team get swarmed by a horde, you really feel surge's downsides

everything has pros and cons

[night marten]

yea entirely situation dependent

[limpid hill]

im at lvl 13 and i cant even clear t3 missiones yet with the thunder staff so

[radiant wadi]

Ascendant Blaze has no cool down for warp charge gain

[twilit path]

Seeing all this line of text makes me wonder what the Ogryn Channel is talking about.

[limpid hill]

i dont know if im bad or smth

[safe sun]

It does terrible damage and only really stuns trash mobs. Just cause you can't see the enemies behind the bright ass flame doesn't mean they're dead.

[dusk pilot]

Yeah surge only having a minimum of 5 targets it can hit at a time (and it sometimes hits the wrong ones) makes it useful, but not like THE BEST STAFF EVER

[lethal plover]

except that stunning the horde is the best thing since sliced bread

[bold maple]

say no more I know you're bad already

[coral cave]

half the horde is getting cc'd by u if they cant deal with the other half its on them

[night marten]

purge is amazing

[radiant wadi]

Dump flame into crowd. Grow warp charge. Blast wrath and set everything on fire.

[bold maple]

terrible damage, only stun trash mobs

LOL

actually so clueless

[lethal plover]

ok no need to get too heated. but anyway horde clearing is an important role

[safe sun]

Then explain what else it's supposed to do, because it's awful damage and awful CC.

[hot ice]

aim at the legs/side of the horde? you dont need to blind your entire team

[lethal plover]

and then psyker with force sword can also kill crushers in a niffy

[night marten]

it's good at both of these things

[radiant wadi]

Its fire

It doesn't need to justify itself

Its fire

[bold maple]

it's amazing how this guy think flame is bad at cc and damage when it's good at both

guess he doesnt have 2 thumb to know how to use it

[hot ice]

flame purges ALL HERETICS

[safe sun]

Yeah, I've tested high rolled ones in missions. The damage is negligible, and it only stuns trash from what I've observed

[night marten]

big ongoing issue is people equating "horde clear" to killing a bunch of poxwalkers.. and that's it.

[safe sun]

it's own damage is awful and soulblaze is almost literally zdps

[bold maple]

flame makes horde literally a non-factor the moment it touches them

[night marten]

while real "horde clear" is much more than that

[lethal plover]

if you do a near full charge, you are guaranteed to kill the trash mobs and stun them. Which is what anyone wants from you.

[stable peak]

how about horde with some maulers and ragers mixed in

[radiant wadi]

Burn them more

[bold maple]

dodge backwards and stack those soulblaze stack up

[lethal plover]

use force sword

force sword is crazy good

[umbral condor]

Surge only stuns trash, but the ability to hit multiple targets, especially targets in cover, without aiming is awesome. Just makes for a smoother ride

[safe sun]

Sure, but shooting the full charge takes too long, meanwhile the big threats are still moving up on you.

[stable peak]

or you can get an ogryn to sweep them all away with a single swipe

[bold maple]

if you cannot dodge properly, have no awareness, dont know how to manage charge and spread flame out

[stable peak]

or just use grenadier gauntlets to knock every elite down and kill trash

[lethal plover]

you learn with experience. you can dodge. it's much like quelling

[bold maple]

then yes flame staff is bad

in hand of a skilled player flame outperforms every other staff san voidstrike

[lethal plover]

psyker needs to be good at dodging while BB / quelling anyway

[craggy bluff]

Anyone else notice that if you use the glowing blue eyes on psyker you can see clearly in ventilation missions? Not too sure if it's a feature or a bug

[safe sun]

If you spread the flame out then you're killing literally nothing whatsoever since you need full soulblaze stacks to actually burn anything down

[hot ice]

you mean purgatus right

[bold maple]

kill

this is where you got every fucking thing wrong

[lethal plover]

you stun the whole horde in 180. do it again and you kill them

or your team will kill them

and most importantly, you have ascendant blaze

[bold maple]

flame staff dont kill instantly, but it confirms that everything that is burning is dead, you dont need to melee or shoot them anymore

[safe sun]

They're only stunned while you're shooting flame at them, the stun goes away near instantly after you move it away

[lethal plover]

when the shit hits the fan, ascendant blaze kills the whole screen

with 6 warp charges

[bold maple]

you keep ccing the horde, and they die over time

[lethal plover]

I kill so much I gain 4 warp charges back

[bold maple]

this save precious time and resources for your team

to turn toward special and elites

your vet dont have to look at the trash mob that is burning ever again, it's confirmed dead even if it's not dead yet

[radiant wadi]

Do you go warp battery or kinetic overload

[spice maple]

You've convinced me to give that flamer staff another go. Any perks I should take specifically for it?

[lethal plover]

I don't remember the name. which feat?

[lethal plover]

oh warp battery. 6 warp charges

I need my ascendant blaze to be good

[safe sun]

Nope, if you don't apply near full stacks then trash isn't going to die because soulblaze damage is actually that bad. Go and test it in the psykanium if you don't believe me.

[bold maple]

peril resistance, toughness gain on warp charge, psychic communion, kinetic flayer, and ascendant blaze is best imo

[bold maple]

you do apply it, my guy

[safe sun]

Not unless you put out the full staff charge on them

which goes against everything else you were saying about how to play it

[bleak sonnet]

this chat sad man

[bold maple]

you realise you can shoot before fully charging up?

[lethal plover]

in practice, you spray it again and again

[bold maple]

jesus fucking christ bro

[umbral condor]

Shit, perhaps, the one that shoots out lightning, and kills armoured trash fast. The one that shoots the great ball of force is not as useful. Since the cc allows for your team handle shit easier. But I am just a casual.

[lethal plover]

they keep getting staggered so it's easy to spray again and again

[safe sun]

you do realize that has literally nothing to do with what I just said?

[lethal plover]

you're more worried about bombers and snipers

[bold maple]

has everything with what you just said, you keep talking about "full charge"

[hot ice]

the lightning is surge, void is the explodey balls, purgatus is flame, and trauma is the aimed aoe explosion

[bold maple]

literally the first mistake any psyker past malice know

[safe sun]

yeah, you don't have to charge it up all the way, that's irrelevant, you still need a full charge to apply enough dot stacks to kill trash

[lethal plover]

and in practice, your team is also there

[bold maple]

even surge staff you dont full charge, you spam it, just like flame staff

you spam instead of charging up like surge do, but you spread flame 180 degree on the screen to cc horde and keep stacking til they die

[lethal plover]

as long as you can stagger them, your team will mop up the rest

[bleak sonnet]

no, you need to kill every enemy on screen instantly solo or the class is bad and literally unplayable pending buffs

[radiant wadi]

What's your reasoning behind kinetic flayer over kinetic overload or warp battery

[bold maple]

this fucker is probably lv 10 who failed malice, im done typing with him lmao

[safe sun]

Yeah, lightning ends up better for that purpose since it stuns absolutely everything, including elites. It also slows/stops hordes since the enemies behind need to stop and path around the enemies in the front row that are getting shocked.

[bold maple]

peace

[bleak sonnet]

O_O

[quiet wave]

hey guys who wants some peace, love and harmony

[lethal plover]

Nooooope. Lightning only stuns like 5 enemies. I'm talking about a full horde all around you

[night marten]

that might work in a single hallway, but it kind of falls apart when shit hits the fan

[bleak sonnet]

if you have a full horde all around you someone is not doing their job correctly

[lethal plover]

learn to dance with force sword and flame staff. and then press ascendant blaze at the right time

you wipe the whole map

[safe sun]

Yes. The 5 in front. The ones behind have to stop while the front ones are shocked. If you have a horde all around you then either you or your team are already doing something wrong

[fading trout]

Hi frens, have any of you any tips for 'pick n' mix' penance. Thx 🙂

[bleak sonnet]

press brain burst on 5 enemies

[lethal plover]

If you have a horde all around you then either you or your team are already doing something wrong
Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Arenas are unavoidable.

[white gorge]

any chance to buff psyker?

[bleak sonnet]

no play better

[night marten]

I guess that logic will comfort all the psykers out there looking at the failure screen? people rarely play perfectly, and in a horde-based game with pugs it's going to get hairy

[lethal plover]

just go play. I have played a lot with surge, voidstrike, and now flame.
Lightning is not for horde. it's for gunmen and disabling specials

[hot ice]

sometimes enemies coming from all sides is almost unavoidable

[white gorge]

no one plya, then got buff, got it

[lethal plover]

they have well defined roles, just like XII is not for crushers. no need to forcefully confuse their roles

[bleak sonnet]

no, the staff needs to 1 shot every enemy type with 5 peril cost or its unuseable and needs buff

[umbral condor]

I at a loss about those, some seem to work but others don't register. Like shrine of omnissiah...I have access but not the penance, same with brain burst on the pox hound and a couple of others. Perhaps because did it during beta.

[bleak sonnet]

you dont understand how this works

[safe sun]

The arenas rarely force you to stick in the middle of them. Enemy waves also don't usually come from all directions at once, it alternates. Getting up to a wall or chokepoint or even a part of the environment which prevents enemies from showing up behind you is nearly always possible

[stable peak]

too bad its range is too low to even be effective against problematic gunners

[bleak sonnet]

your vets job

[hot ice]

what if the objective is placing power cells in the middle of the arena

[lethal plover]

true. lightning still requires you to be a bit smart instead of running into the open

[valid marsh]

Just waiting for the balance patch...

[lethal plover]

vet deals with the long stuff. you stun them when you get close

[valid marsh]

Maybe tomorrow...

[fading trout]

😦

[night marten]

#psyker-class message

[stable peak]

there's better classes for both situations, psyker just sucks atm

[bleak sonnet]

psyker does not suck, play better

[valid marsh]

I really think they should go for a rework of brain burst itself, where it takes longer to charge against certain enemies outside of bosses and monsters, but invariably kills them if you charge long enough

[stable peak]

it is objectively the worst

[hot ice]

and it doesnt even have to be a horde to fuck you over, it could be a lone poxwalker sneaking up behind you

[safe sun]

That particular area is badly designed IMO since it breaks the mold, but even in that one the strategy is to stick together and only move towards the center the moment you need to put a cell in.

[valid marsh]

and the bigger the target

the more warp charges you get

[lethal plover]

Getting up to a wall or chokepoint or even a part of the environment which prevents enemies from showing up behind you is nearly always possible
Yeah, you have to qualify with "nearly". In practice endless horde is endless

[valid marsh]

so there's a flow to the playstyle

as it is it just takes too long to kill normal specials with brainburst

[lethal plover]

if only enemies come in only 2 directions

[valid marsh]

But I have hope thats what they're going for

[bleak sonnet]

it does not take too long to kill normal specials with brainburst if you are correctly utilizing your ult, i guarantee you your veteran is not shooting 7 specials at once on damn

target prio

[safe sun]

Sure but when I say nearly, I'm not talking like 60% here. Even in "endless" hordes, the intensity is rarely so high that you have no choice with your positioning

[compact portal]

I really like trauma staff as it is very good for single long distance targeting or oh shit the large group is getting close oh shit mid clear and now

[lethal plover]

and then some people were complaining zealots and ogryns were. it's just opinions

[hot ice]

false

[bleak sonnet]

you have an infinite resource extremely safe almost infinite ranged option on a short cast time (with ult) that kills almost half the elite roster in 1 shot

and complain

wack

[hot ice]

hi-intensity includes increased specials, which will affect your positioning eventually

[lethal plover]

I was playing veteran and clearing heresy pubs at like 80% rate. I had doubts about psyker but after trying out the peril block force sword flame staff combo, now it feels as good as playing vet

[bleak sonnet]

psyker survivability makes vet look like a joke in clutches

if played well

[hot ice]

surge staff makes you into a cc machine, i recommend using it if you havent

[night marten]

purge staff+force sword is also my go-to

[hot ice]

interrupts all specials and ogryns as well, its great

[lethal plover]

oh before this I was mainly using surge and voidstrike I know them

[hot ice]

[craggy bluff]

Surge + force sword for the stun and force blade finisher for most elites

[bleak sonnet]

surge + force leaves u with so little options for fast safe hordeclear tho

i run surge with axe

way better

[lethal plover]

oh hey that was me yesterday

combat axe is babe

[craggy bluff]

You can endless stun a hode with FS at a door

[umbral condor]

I tried that. Went back to force sword.

[night marten]

at a door, sure

[valid marsh]

Does precognition stack?

Do any of these stack actually

[bleak sonnet]

axe is a refined taste for big brain players

[lethal plover]

more like one click one kill

[smoky lance]

I like the dueling swords a lot. Keeps hordes in place for me to use a staff quickly after hitting them

[hot ice]

Still looking for an Antax

[bleak sonnet]

average psyker brags about force sword special one shotting things not realizing an axe light attack does the same thing

[lethal plover]

well, force sword does like 1.6k damage, so that part is true. axe is just quicker at killing trash

[devout belfry]

Not being able to block bullets makes me sad.

[craggy bluff]

But does the axe skip boss phases on assination?

[bleak sonnet]

position well and you dont need to block bullets tho

[strong trench]

Is there an issue with Psykers toughness and bleed through? My friend gets down real quick on Malice and he's pretty good, says this definitely doesn't feel right

[lethal plover]

no. that was a vet bug. it's already fixed

[devout belfry]

Lol, I'm a psyker. I'm gonna use a force weapon. What am I? A peasant?

[twilit path]

Idk, I still have the issue with Vet

[strong trench]

Ok thanks, im gonna go tell him he is delusional 😄

[smoky lance]

I use brain burst quiet often even on trash mobs so I can kill hordes before most can get to my teammates

[strong trench]

I dont have that isse with vet anymore, not since the fix

[smoky lance]

It’s just keeping it up for the right time and that’s how I deal with malice

[hot ice]

Sounds like he isnt that good then

[olive ember]

which sword should I run

[hot ice]

[strong trench]

haha nah he is, maybe last night was a bad time

[lethal plover]

give me that deflector sword

[bleak sonnet]

sell them all to fund the first mk5 axe u see

[lethal plover]

[craggy bluff]

deflector

[olive ember]

which axe should I run

[strong trench]

deflector omg

[bleak sonnet]

the one with the big number

:)

[worthy wasp]

Both are p doodoo, but Id use the 2nd

[olive ember]

XD idk what stats I want on axe tbh I just got them to test em out

[compact portal]

With the 10% brain burst also I've done 4k+ damage in one swing on a mutant with my force sword

[bleak sonnet]

you want the big number

axe does one thing: damage

more damage more good

[olive ember]

I mean traits n stuff

[worthy wasp]

Axe has great cc

[bleak sonnet]

no trait

damage

[devout belfry]

Any blessings that help single target.

[compact portal]

Isn't axe single target though

[bleak sonnet]

no

[worthy wasp]

No

[bleak sonnet]

mk5 cleaves

[devout belfry]

It's cleave is meh

[bleak sonnet]

incorrect

[lethal plover]

The axe believes that murder is the best CC

[worthy wasp]

Use the push attack

[bleak sonnet]

correct

[worthy wasp]

Cleaves like a boss, dumpsters everything

[devout belfry]

Let me show you the force swords infinite cleave on push and infinite dodge limit.

[worthy wasp]

Youre spamming push attacks so youre constantly staggering everything... and youre still about to block because the peril trait

[bleak sonnet]

please stop

force sword: 4 hits in damn to kill poxwalker

axe: 1 hit to kill 2 poxwalker

[worthy wasp]

Youre talkin to a dude that used to run FS on damnation but swapped to the Mk 5 axe after seeing the light

[devout belfry]

The only usable weapons are FS and mkv lol

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[bleak sonnet]

wrong

[orchid dirge]

trauma

[compact portal]

Um my force sword kills like four to five poxwalkers in one swing

[bleak sonnet]

in damnation your force sword does not kill like 4 to 5 poxwalkers in 1 swing

[craggy bluff]

380 that's a keeper, might be able to spam normal range with that

[bleak sonnet]

its first target hit is not enough to even kill one

[devout belfry]

With a good roll it still one shots the first walker on damnation. And you can attack faster. They're both great weapons.

[worthy wasp]

Mk 5 you can stand in the middle of a mixed horde and literally chop your way out without taking a bit of damage.

It can simultaneously be defensive and offensive at the same time due to the strength of its push attack

[lethal plover]

knife takes a while to kill a zombie too. but that's not the main reason people run them. I would run force sword to kill specials, and force push a horde around, and block bullets

[worthy wasp]

I recommend pairing Mk 5 with Surge staff and Force Sword with either Void or Purg

[oak falcon]

It's probably been asked a million times, but what's the best staff for late-game. Or at least the best all round? I've hit 30 and have tried all of them and really like the voidstrike and purg one, however they feel like they fall off on harder difficulties. Any recommendations?

[lethal plover]

eh no best thing. different scenarios

[bleak sonnet]

bro i dont wanna burst ur bubble but the good zealots on t5 all run axes too

[devout belfry]

I don't understand why people like purge staff.

[bleak sonnet]

knife is dead

[lethal plover]

staggers a big horde by flicking mouse.

[bleak sonnet]

tac axe or mk5 axe the move now

tac axe can hit a 1.7k crit on the second heavy on zeal

[oak falcon]

I just feel like the purge staff takes too long to actually do damage, like everything dies before it can do good DoTs. It does feel satisfying af though lol

[devout belfry]

That isn't exactly a hard to come by feature.

[olive ember]

all around voidstrike I guess? Purge is good for hordes so bring it if your team isn't running any horde clear, surge grows in value the higher difficulty you go since it stuns elites

[orchid dirge]

its cool, it reminds me of the old days with bardin and the flamethrower

[worthy wasp]

Feel like Zealot doesnt use the mk 5 as well as the Psyker

[lethal plover]

not for a psyker.

[worthy wasp]

Tac axe on zealot tho is legit

[orchid dirge]

the best all around id say its voidstrike

[bleak sonnet]

zealot uses it way better , you heal to full off like 3 hits in not die passive

every 90sec

[olive ember]

I think im gonna run a antax mk V on my zealot honestly... which is depressing cuz they have the thunder hammer and eviscerator

[worthy wasp]

Ehhhh

[sharp obsidian]

What feat setup for Lightning Staff psyker?

[bitter orbit]

@bleak sonnet

Which one is better?

[olive ember]

this is what I run

[worthy wasp]

The issue I have with zealot + mk5 is they constantly have 0 stam and cant block

[sharp obsidian]

Cheers

[bleak sonnet]

no clue

[oak falcon]

The only thing with surge is it feels like the peril builds sooo fast with it. Like can do 2-3 hits with it and you gotta discharge. Could also be my shitty staves though

[lethal plover]

peril block for psyker is insane

literally jedi

[worthy wasp]

Psyker can spam push attacks and still block with peril

[bitter orbit]

In testing both I think the crit one is better

[devout belfry]

And the passive quell is wild.

[olive ember]

it feels like shit now that I don't have mind in motion but the peril blocking gives alot more survivability when and where it matters so yeah

[worthy wasp]

Great vs berserkers in mixed hordes

[olive ember]

I run that now

[bleak sonnet]

for zealot crit is king, idk what class ur on

[olive ember]

What does the "block cost reduce to 0" even do on deflector? because iirc it still costed stamina to block so whats the difference

[worthy wasp]

Ye, which is why I say zealot wants a crit tac axe

[devout belfry]

I have a basically perfectly rolled one and I can cast like 7 times before needing to ult or something.

[olive ember]

wait im blind

[bitter orbit]

Psyker

[orchid dirge]

i feel like they should rework lvl 10 and 30 feats, like you have no other useful choice (my opinion)

[olive ember]

thats block cost reduced by 9% not to 0 lmao

[bleak sonnet]

a different weapon then lol

tac axe isnt good on psyker

[worthy wasp]

Tac axe for zealot and combat axe for psyker

[bitter orbit]

I see, which would you recommend?

[lethal plover]

tac axe does like no damage to armor. forget about it

[bleak sonnet]

mkv combat axe

[worthy wasp]

^

[oak falcon]

Oh damn okay, maybe I'll try that then. What's people's opinion on the lighting staff

[bitter orbit]

Gona give that a shot then

[worn jewel]

Great CC.

[lethal plover]

surge, voidstrike, purgatus all have their fans

[worthy wasp]

Lightning Staff + Mk V Axe = absolute chad of a loadout

[devout belfry]

It's my personal favorite with a premade. You can lock down ranged enemies, quickly stun anything, and it randomly kills armored enemies for no reason.

[bleak sonnet]

if confident in team and premade: mkv axe

if solo and confident on skill: mkv axe

if bad player with bad positioning and/or really bad teammates who will need multiple resses: deflector force sword

[oak falcon]

Wait Axe over power sword/dueling sword? O:

Thought the deflection perk was busted

[worn jewel]

Berserker Psyker

[lethal plover]

Surge: gunmen and CC specials, not for horde
voidstrike: for horde in a straight line and range poke
purgatus: for horde in more chaotic situations, staggers well

[olive ember]

what if its a combination of 1 and 3 where its a premade, but the shield ogryn has zero positioning skills and I gotta basically command him and give him a play by play of what to do

"shooters brace" "thats a bomber, move to the left"

[devout belfry]

I also don't see why anyone would pick the dueling sword.

[bleak sonnet]

new teammates

[devout belfry]

Who is having trouble with horde clear ffs

[lethal plover]

j_sat does use it for damnation.
It has the best mobility, even more than knife.

[bleak sonnet]

dueling sword is good for the movement tech

[devout belfry]

Side step of power.

[bleak sonnet]

lets u b super mobile and position well

[lethal plover]

it's different playstyles

[sharp obsidian]

Dueling sword just feels amazing to use,

[devout belfry]

What is the movement tech?

[sharp obsidian]

It's like Knife on crack

[olive ember]

Dueling sword - movement
Axe - power
Force sword - utility

[lethal plover]

dodge faster than running

[bleak sonnet]

you use a heavy and crouch slide during release

and it boosts u

[worn jewel]

Kills your fingers though, same as knife. maybe im just getting too old

[bleak sonnet]

and fucks enemy tracking

also far dodges are good too

but mostly the crouch slide velocity shenanigans

i used to do it but my wrist hurts

[worthy wasp]

I recommend:

Deflector Force Sword- For ppl that primarily use staff and want an awesome tool for clutch revives/getting rid of elites in a pinch or are new and need a crutch

MkV Combat Axe: If you rock Surge Staff for CC and want something that can mow through shit when there is a horde on top of you and are good at the game

[oak falcon]

Yeah honestly I love being fast, so having the dueling sword with that 15% or whatever movement blessing feels sooo good

[bleak sonnet]

real psykers know surge CC persists on weapon swap, so you become a one man crusher killer since you can stun and kill with axe

[olive ember]

what the fuck did you just tell me holy shit i'm in the meat grinder what the fuck is that shit

[devout belfry]

Lol

[worn jewel]

Not to mention you can animation cancel for dps and then axe

[bleak sonnet]

real psykers all have carpal tunnel

[lethal plover]

dev nerfing the tech in 2 weeks

[bleak sonnet]

it was in vt2 for years

i doubt its going anywhere

[devout belfry]

Fatshark had issues patching anything math related.

So that one will be here for a long while.

[compact portal]

You almost want dodge and crouch to be on the same button

So map them close and convenient

As dodge slide is king 👑

[worthy wasp]

I used to run Void Staff + Force Sword, then I tried the MkV.

I then realized... why use Void Staff to clear hordes when Mk V dumpsters hordes.

Then I grabbed Surge Staff.

Now I carry scrubs to the promised land. CC specials/Ogryn, mass shooters, etc... while slamming through pleb heretics like Dynasty Warriors

[bleak sonnet]

imo it still doesnt make DS worth over axe

DS just kills too slow

same issue as FS

with good teammates i would rather just kill things faster...

[compact portal]

Nothing beats sliding under and around a trappers net

[worthy wasp]

Theres like, no weakness

Best CC in the game due to Surge

Great horde clear due to push attack

Great at dumpstering elites cuz its a fkn axe

Basically inf stam due to peril to block

[bleak sonnet]

bad res capability since all of psykers res comes from deflector

thats ab it

[worthy wasp]

Ye

But why rez when the plebs can watch you solo

Jk, kinda

[oak falcon]

Alright I got a lot of stuff to try now, ty all lol

[bleak sonnet]

would agree if dogs / mutants weren't heat seeking

[worthy wasp]

Ye def need to rez lol

[bleak sonnet]

i have a clip of a mutant following me around a pillar for like 20sec

idek

[valid marsh]

knife is fun

[compact portal]

Push dogs or burst really

Charge force sword dodge mutant (left)

Smite

[bleak sonnet]

what you mean is:

dodge and push the dog and watch hopelessly as it teleports from 5m to the left directly on top of you

[worthy wasp]

Deflector Sword cant be offensive and defensive at the same time the same way a MkV can

[icy harbor]

Which axe exactly?

[meager locust]

Sometimes they're bloody nuts the dogs but usually I keep my burst ready for them

[worthy wasp]

Antax Mk V Combat Axe

[compact portal]

I've never had that happen

[bleak sonnet]

lucky man

my ping is usually around 150-200 so

[valid marsh]

I hate the goddamn dogs

they were worse in the beta period but fuck dude

[mental monolith]

I saw one literally spawn in mid air on top of me and instantly pounce on me. Jumpscared cause heard howl and then bam lol

[bleak sonnet]

i wish dogs worked like eshin in vt2

so much better

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh I prefer dogs to eshin

[mental monolith]

pop the heads off or zap them, ez pz

[bleak sonnet]

pop doesnt 1shot dogs on dam

[lethal plover]

Where do you see ping

[mental monolith]

oh wtf lol

[worthy wasp]

Its weird, in some way vt2 is more diff and in others dt is more diff

[lethal plover]

Not even on heresy

[mental monolith]

welp

[worthy wasp]

Its crazy to me that we have built in 360 block

[icy harbor]

Oh yeah I have that axe. Is the push that good?

[worthy wasp]

That isnt the case in vt2

[bleak sonnet]

force sword does but good luck charging a force sword attk mid horde clutch situation

[worthy wasp]

Ye, push attack is absolute chad vs hordes

[mental monolith]

staff special move is op asf, one shots everything in the game, try it next assassination

[bleak sonnet]

yes

[mental monolith]

the poke

the cliffhanger penance is giving me a headache lol

[compact portal]

It is pretty funny when you get the 10% brain brust on poke

[mental monolith]

lol that would be amazing

[bleak sonnet]

dont tell me people be running 10% brain burst...

still...

[mental monolith]

gandalf only run (just smacking/poking with the staff only)

[compact portal]

LMAO only when running lower level friends on lower missions as it is funny af

[mental monolith]

the cooldown is just awful

as if 10% chance wasn't bad enough

[quartz geyser]

Feels bad, I wonder how quick I can solo tier 1

[compact portal]

Nothing like forgetting to charge your force to watch it ding off a mauler helm and his head still explode

[bleak sonnet]

bro me too

[quartz geyser]

want to zoom

[mental monolith]

is there a way to get consistent solo?

[bleak sonnet]

maybe tomorrow

[boreal wave]

I thought you had to be facing an attack to block

[quartz geyser]

wdym, just run through the mission

[mental monolith]

malleus monsronum, I need some help with that (pub lobbies cannot be persuaded to let me do that damage)

[mental monolith]

I meant a solo lobby or something

[bleak sonnet]

the bots will shoot the boss

[quartz geyser]

yeah, you need to be in a group that'll let you

NOT quickplay

[mental monolith]

how in the holy emperor did you do pick n' mix?

[bleak sonnet]

what i did to get my penance was wireshark all 3 teammates, and show up at their house armed to confiscate their keyboard for the duration of my solo boss kill.

would reccommend method

[quartz geyser]

disruption the part where you're going down the metal grates and there were fuck ton of range elites that you can one pop

[mental monolith]

lol incredible

[hallow needle]

does crit chance even work on a purgatus staff?

[mental monolith]

ahh ty

[bleak sonnet]

honestly at this point fuck a staff, im running revolver with crucian roulette for more crit chance on my axe

[echo parrot]

This thing is so damn annoying

[quartz geyser]

that was my last one to do, really annoying

[last sleet]

I feel like darktide gameslantern is completely unusable. Absolutely everyone and their mom is just spamming nonsense builds on there going: "Yeah this scuffed BS is a Damnation build".

[mental monolith]

got it by accident lol, sooo lucky

[echo parrot]

Thats how I got pick nmix lol

[last sleet]

I also got it by accident.

[mental monolith]

don't mind me keeping track of this stuff

[mental monolith]

lol insane

[mental monolith]

ooooo goggles

[gray ore]

Struggling with it for two days myself. Genuinely just putting me off the game at this point

[mental monolith]

struggling with what?

[gray ore]

Going out with a bang

[mental monolith]

oh damn

ye I hate the rng and time gating

[bleak sonnet]

psyker holy jihad

inspiring

[mental monolith]

put on as much wound charms as possible and do what this man said ^^^

[sweet fractal]

im assuming warp absorbtion applies to force weapons?

[noble garden]

I can be proud of my drip knowing that is skillfully blew myself up in the middle of a horde

[gray ore]

I'm on the verge of giving up at this point. Just hoping it gets changed at some point to something actually reasonable

[bleak sonnet]

it wont

it is reasonable

[mental monolith]

any tips for cliffhanger? (don't bully plz I'm an empath it will kill my entire bloodline (jokes but seriously, you can see how insane I am getting))

[oak falcon]

Omg my eyes have been opened, this mk5 axe feels so damn good. Can actually kill shit lol

[bleak sonnet]

big number hehe

[mental monolith]

debatable

[sharp obsidian]

It is unreasonable in the sense that it is the only penance that forces you to gimp your team to do it

[noble garden]

Last part of espionage mission with the two narrow bridges is your best bet

[sharp obsidian]

hehe sorry guys just doing my penance

[bleak sonnet]

idk i got all of my psyker penances in normal gameplay

literally just asked my team not to damage nurgle

[sweet fractal]

this applies to force weapons and bb?

[bleak sonnet]

killed 5 specials

and comit holy jihad 10x per game

got them all pre nerf too

[mental monolith]

yeah, but maybe only the special force sword attack, test in meat grinder

[gray ore]

Forces you to gimp your team, the chances of 3 elites being around you down to straight up RNG or extreme kiting tactics, and the higher difficulty you go on to get elites easier the more health which makes it trickier rather than easier

[bleak sonnet]

idk man lots of elites in t5

[burnt holly]

if i try to use conflagration staff game crashes every singe time i try

[mental monolith]

the notes grow larger

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh the game feels unrewarding right now since there is no crafting system... but its def worth farming mats

[bleak sonnet]

game will feel rewarding when they add t6

[mental monolith]

same with charged fire attack

[worthy wasp]

Well right now its just waiting for shit with good rolls to pop up in Armory

[bleak sonnet]

rolls rly dont matter all that much

imo

[noble garden]

I wish they'd add more penances with tied cosmetics. An endgame where the best drip is gained only by swiping your credit card is a bit unrewarding

[burnt holly]

so what am i supposed to do

[bleak sonnet]

the damage difference for most weps is remarkably low

[burnt holly]

iu want to burn heretics not my pc

[bleak sonnet]

anything above 350 white with decent damage is chill

[normal talon]

I just get whichever has bigger numbers

then use blessings as the main deciding factors

[mental monolith]

I gave up on that staff, waiting for patch

[echo parrot]

This worth getting?

[worthy wasp]

jesus, if only this was the Mk V

[bleak sonnet]

sadness

still buy it for brutal disenchant

[worthy wasp]

idk if I'll use brutal

[burnt holly]

yes

[bleak sonnet]

brutals pretty G

[worthy wasp]

limbsplitter seems real fkn good w/ push attack spam

so its a matter of what goes best with it

[bleak sonnet]

both

2 blessings

[worthy wasp]

ye

but

instead of brutal

[bleak sonnet]

ohh

[worthy wasp]

the power per hit stuff

[bleak sonnet]

idk i havent rly seen much worth going for

rending on axes is redundant

[worthy wasp]

what does brittle do?

[bleak sonnet]

everything else kinda sucks

i dont remember

dmg boost somehow

[sweet fractal]

meat grinder implies that this feat ONLY applies to the left click of the staff

this true?

if so thats ass

[mental monolith]

good on fire staff, or so I've been told

[last sleet]

Eh, the same row has 6% peril resistance per warp charge. Seems more useful on staff Psyker.

[bleak sonnet]

6% peril resist plus BB ult lets u cast like 7-8 bbs

very good

[sweet fractal]

still stupid to consider the feat buffing force weapons doesnt work properly on them

[spark gale]

Anyone know if this is worth it?

[worthy wasp]

Dafuq

Get to level 30 then worry about that

[spark gale]

is it higher level at 30?

[worthy wasp]

Hella

[bitter orbit]

Yeah the damage is

[spark gale]

kk thanks c:

[bleak sonnet]

max stats are distributed out of 380 points in that top category

try to get close to that near lvl30

[spark gale]

gonna keep doin the contracts tho to save up

[last sleet]

It's a low level staff. invest into that vendor at max level.

[spark gale]

ty guys

[last sleet]

400, not 380 I'm pretty sure. 80 per stat, 5 stats.

[bleak sonnet]

ive not seen above 380

[spark gale]

Wish I could find some XP gems

[last sleet]

Seems RNG to me, but I'm pretty sue 400 is the theoretical cap.

[bleak sonnet]

im sure its 380 considering i have 6-7 380 weps and not a point more

[zenith fox]

https://i.imgur.com/9HeGfKc.png should i grab this

about to finish my weeklies and have enough for it

[last sleet]

Real shame about the quell speed.

[bleak sonnet]

honestly nah

[craggy bluff]

349 base stats not worth it

[bleak sonnet]

surge benefits from next to none of what that has

[zenith fox]

alr ty

[lament zealot]

what? those are literally the best blessing I've seen for a surge

charge surge deletes gunners even at lvl 4 5

[zenith fox]

ive had a low quell speed staff before
not fun
although surge doesnt give a lot peril so idk

[bleak sonnet]

yeah, it deletes them in one charge

nullifying the +8% stacking since u never charge it otherwise

the perks could be a lot better with either 20% to flak or cara

[hallow needle]

just completed a chalenge during a loading screen nice

[lament zealot]

what? it deletes elites too

[hallow needle]

my psyker is that good already

[bleak sonnet]

and the dogshit quell speed

[lament zealot]

the last tick of the surge on max charge does a fuck ton of damage to everything flak and carapace so crushers, gunners, mauler, berserkers to some extent

[zenith fox]

i need a party that could help me with the "goind out with a bang" penance

only one im missing for the next headpiece

[lament zealot]

that staff has godly stats except for the quell but whatever

[lethal plover]

just got into a heresy clear with 3 flamers
you can never have enough horde clear

[bleak sonnet]

quell is super duper important

2nd more important stat on that staff

[lament zealot]

it's like maybe 1 sec less quelling? just grab the 6% warp resist per charge

[bleak sonnet]

you really want to prior uptime with surge

it does a lil damage but that is overshadowed with half decent team

[lament zealot]

yes and that staff is an elite killer with those blessings too, just grab the ult cd on elite kill and inner tranquility plus flayer

[zenith fox]

a;lready got it

[ebon sedge]

is pick and mix doable with randos?

[zenith fox]

prob not

[bleak sonnet]

its not an elite killer, its an elite ccer

your damage is very overshadowed

with surge

to anything but gunner grunts

way better to have good uptime as long as you're at the breakpoint to kill ranged grunts

[lethal plover]

You aren't vet, for certain. But it's nice to kill scab maulers relatively quickly

[lament zealot]

again, try it on the meat grinder vs the elites, it must be disgusting with those blessings

[bleak sonnet]

you have other options for dealing with maulers way faster than surge

[timber shale]

surge will kill them faster than BB

[lethal plover]

Such as? Jumping into melee?

Melee has pros and cons

[bleak sonnet]

tbh your zealot should be killing them way before u have to worry about it

if bad team, dif story

[devout belfry]

Anyone got some advance stats screenshots of non surge staves with near max and near bottom charge speed rolls?

[timber shale]

i'd rather not plan around the other 3 people playing perfectly lol

[bleak sonnet]

im not sure if i consider killing maulers as playing perfectly

[lament zealot]

what's your point? you know, you can also do good damage apart from the CC if you charge it, even more worth with that staff he got. If you have a good team, they will cover you for the 1 extra second it takes to quell from having 30% instead of 80% quelling

[timber shale]

no my point is id rather have a good tool for dealing with maulers if the zealot drops the ball

[exotic kindle]

Psyker needs a buff

🙂

[bleak sonnet]

sure if you have a good team they can cover sub par uptime, but any good team would take much better advantage of not having to cover for you and having you put out more stuns

idk what to tell u

[devout belfry]

Yeah, they probably do.

[zenith fox]

what would the buff be and why :)

[bleak sonnet]

you do less dmg than your zealot and vets

enable them

[boreal wave]

Getting the feats to have synergy with each other for one

[lament zealot]

hmmm I play with premades but I'm not sure I'd agree with that, my force sword special, brain burst spam after ult and the staffs surely don't do less damage than them

[devout belfry]

Make the burn stacks from traits useful. Trait synergy around the board is terrible.

Fix weapon blessings to not be useless on some weapons.

Stacks last longer.

Brain pop needs a way to scale up in dmg.

[bold maple]

right now there’s about 4 feat that really synergise with each other

out of 18 feats lmao

[exotic kindle]

Feat and warp charge/bb rework. Numbers changes on staves.

[lament zealot]

by the way guys, if you haven't tried trauma staff I'd advise you to try one if you get good stats, I'd argue the CC is equal to surge but can also clear hordes, it's worse for range or playing behind cover though

[bleak sonnet]

trauma is hidden good

for sure

[echo parrot]

Just got this from emperor

[lament zealot]

yeah It's good shit, puts crushers on their ass with a barely charged circle

[lethal plover]

Why not voidstrike

[lament zealot]

cause void doesn't stagger well, void is way better for range if you don't have a vet though

[bleak sonnet]

you are right about force sword and BB with ult doing more situational DPS, but when you have surge out you typically cant use those

the second you pull out that surge staff you are, in my eyes, given a good team, transitioning to support for that duration

your dmg with surge out, even with high dmg rolls loadout is definitely sub to a well played vet or zeal

[bold maple]

yeah I like surge psyker in quickplay heresy+

not cause they’re good but cause it takes no skill so you can count on them being moderately useful

[bleak sonnet]

i only pull out my surge when i want to CC a rough patch of maulers crushers or kill ranged units, only one of those applications requires damage

[exotic kindle]

I'm never impressed by quick play psykers

Especially surge

[bleak sonnet]

so if im at the breakpoint... uptime is king after that

[bold maple]

yeah whenever I see a surge psyker I just wince

but at least it takes no skill to do okay on that staff

just point and spam

so long as they’re alive they’re useful

[exotic kindle]

I'd rather have a veteran just spamming their bolter lol

[bold maple]

a bad purge user or a bad voidstrike user is way worse

[compact portal]

Can't wait for full crafting

[bold maple]

but a good purge or void user is so much more useful than surge

[timber shale]

i don't see the point in voidstrike

[lament zealot]

I wish they changed some of the light attack projectiles, the shotgun and bolt was fun in vermintide

[zenith fox]

its more reliable than purg

can deal with not only trash

[umbral condor]

As I play to have fun, I would rather avoid elitists. So I will play surge and enjoy myself

[last sleet]

I think the Psyker is a weird place. Because right now, on higher difficulties, your full job is: "keep stuff stunned with surge staff, and maybe occasionally pick off a sniper when you get time". And just keeping stuff CC'd is, yes it is strong, but it's not fun, as you don't get to kill stuff yourself.

[bold maple]

in range yeah

close range fire is more reliable than void

[summer prairie]

surge is way more utility than even a good void user on t5

[zenith fox]

current staff ive been reliably using from level 20ish till now

[exotic kindle]

I'm not a fan of surge because of how little you're contributing the majority of the time

[zenith fox]

should i upgrade it cause ive yet to find anything better

[bleak sonnet]

there are a lot of small mechanics you can master than make it more interactive

[timber shale]

void just feels like "i might as well just bring a gun" tbh

[exotic kindle]

Nothing is more depressing than watching a surge guy attack poxwalkers

[supple ember]

Greetings guys
Suggest me a surge centered perk layout pls

[bleak sonnet]

like efficiently using left mouse projectiles to snipe ranged chaff

[last sleet]

Why?

[exotic kindle]

It's ineffective

[summer prairie]

surge is super good against poxwalkers, doesn't matter it takes a while

[zenith fox]

because you only hit like

6

[compact portal]

Try to find one that's already rated above 400 with the roll beginning you like

[summer prairie]

to kill with leftclick

[zenith fox]

alrighty

[static epoch]

that's almost 6 seconds

[last sleet]

?? You do one right click, that puts him on his ass, far away backwards, then you left click him to death quite quickly.

[static epoch]

yeah that's the best way to deal with them

[exotic kindle]

You're thinking of pox bursters

[last sleet]

My bad, the naming is terribad.

[exotic kindle]

Also you can just push them for the same effect

Assuming your dodge isnt terrible

[bold maple]

you expect too much from people

im just happy if they dodge and block at all

[exotic kindle]

I just do it myself lol

[last sleet]

But for any other special: You're not supposed to kill anything really. You keep it stunned, and your team kills it safely.

[bold maple]

let alone push poxburster lmao

[devout belfry]

I've been pushing them because it's funny.

[summer prairie]

the timing can be awkward when you can't even see your ping

[bleak sonnet]

i love shooting poxburster while team tries to push it

so fun

[exotic kindle]

The best CC is killing stuff so generally I prefer to kill stuff

[bold maple]

preach

[devout belfry]

You'd make a terrible dictator.

[exotic kindle]

It can be nice to have surge against some of the absurd crusher patrols that rush you

But that's one encounter a mission at most

And you can deal with that with bolters, stump grenades etc etc

[hallow needle]

are mystery acquisitions worth it?

[bleak sonnet]

in t5 that is the entire mission

[static epoch]

switch to surge if your frontliners toughness drops, if not just help bonking eds

[timber shale]

Inner tranq, kinetic flayer, the rest are up to you

[worthy wasp]

Surge dunks on ogryn/specials, Antax everything else.

GG

[umbral condor]

Nope

[exotic kindle]

T5 isnt constant absurd crusher patrols at all

[devout belfry]

Arguably spamming the trinkets is a good option.

[exotic kindle]

Usually they're manageable

Usually.

[devout belfry]

The stuff in the ordo shop is worse than the regular shop lol

[static epoch]

It's gambling, only worth if you don't have patience, you will get something great in the store eventually.

[devout belfry]

That's gambling but with a different currency.

On another note. I want to be able to play cards in the hub.

[bold maple]

next you’ll ask for world peace

fatshark cant even make crafting work yet kek

[lament zealot]

Don't sleep on trauma. It's absurd for CC and has good dmg vs hordes, this shit would be even better with the repeated charge blessing and focused channeling. It can one shot pox bursters too. Vid is diff 5, just look at the stagger values compared to other stuff in the game.

[devout belfry]

I still bet that upgrading an item is supposed to increase base stats given the UI.

[worthy wasp]

Ahh, CC

[last sleet]

You constantly get Peril with staff, and quell SUPER fast, so quietitude is very strong.
Innter tranquility is the only thing in this row that really matters.
Psychic communion does help keeping stacks up,
Kinetic shield should help not losing your toughness in one shot, but people seem to also like Kinetic Deflection. Mind in Motion is trash for staff users, as staff quell has it's own movement speed unaffected by the talent and you should always quell on staff.
Kinetic Flayer is kinda "meh" sometimes it pops in good situations, it is 90% to help keeping 4 stacks up. Warp Battery is the alternative, but on heresy and higher you are very rarely headpopping, so I'm not sure you can reach and keep that while you're surging.
Ascendant Blaze purely because with 4 stacks you can kill a horde, and go straight back to 4 stacks.

[worthy wasp]

Now show us surge

[bold maple]

okay but I need to aim that awkward shit

[lament zealot]

Surge is amazing yes, but it has a target limit and can't aim it

[bold maple]

the issue with trauma isnt performance for me it’s quality of life

[hallow needle]

cliffhanger 100% bugged for me atm :(

[timber shale]

I'd argue that psykinetic's aura is better than psychic communion, but otherwise i agree with this

[exotic kindle]

Again, best CC is death. I do like Trauma though I just think it should be cheaper to cast tbh

[summer prairie]

the issue with ascendant blaze is that you kind of want to spam your ult whenever it's up

[lament zealot]

I agree, even with 6% resist per charge and maxed warp resist it takes so much peril somehow

[young summit]

so quell on crit is absolutley amazing, just tried the high intensity 3 rank.

[devout belfry]

You can aim it. The sparkles are your target.

[young summit]

Unlimited blue balls of dooom !

[devout belfry]

Is it on crit or headshot?

[young summit]

crit

[hallow needle]

i had a voidstrike with quell on headshot which was also dope

one ball through a horde and i was at 0%

[young summit]

or wait, its weakspot

regardless, its absurd

i have one with the bas 2% quell, and justr bough a staff with the 3.5% for later crafting

[exotic kindle]

Now if only voidstrike had an actual headshot multiplier

First thing I'd do to buff it

[last sleet]

I'm not entirely sure. I haven't tested it, it can be useful, but cooldowns seem to already be relatively low. Psychic communion is a bit of an ego pick, as you are so rarely headpopping that it can be difficult to keep up max stacks on Psyker.

[summer prairie]

with surge you technically should have constant uptime with just kinetic flayer

[compact portal]

I hope they give us red items that give us feats from our trees so we can really have some fun really mix and match

[last sleet]

I felt like the procc chance was not good enough, specially when you stun elites who do not die from one pop. Would be different if a pop always gave a stack.

[hallow needle]

ogryn buddy shot the daemonhost :(

[ornate hamlet]

wanna sign a petition to have fatshark change the head pop color.

its baiting the vet sharpshooters lmao

[exotic kindle]

You're honestly better off just playing as if the stacks dont exist

[last sleet]

Sadly.

[exotic kindle]

Instead of that make brain burst have a good ttk and kill things in under a second

[timber shale]

PsyAura gives the vet ridiculous uptime on their ult is the main thing

[ornate hamlet]

thats OP

[exotic kindle]

Takes too long to be useful

It isnt if its resource based

[ebon sedge]

I would change BB to cast time scale with enemy hp

[exotic kindle]

You can just put a gun on your psyker and shoot them for a ttk that's way under a second anyways

[ebon sedge]

so it always one shot

[compact portal]

Pre change and aim at target last second to mess with them 😉

[timber shale]

I wish they'd just give BB a cooldown and make it actually good (more damage, faster or even instant cast) to compensate

[exotic kindle]

Just rework warp charges into a resource that BB consumes

[worthy wasp]

I got the weirdest surge staff ever atm

the power is absolute dog but the damage/crit/quell rolls are at or near max

[exotic kindle]

Feats to incentivize holding onto them for benefits based on playstyle/loadout like the peril reduction already does for staves

[weak flame]

yeah these penances are a massive joke that either require you to throw the game or to get blessed by the god of rng

[timber shale]

make psychic communion baseline to replace the BB WC generation

[ebon sedge]

This one is actually doable with randoms when you ask them if they can leave the ogryn alone for 1 minute

[worthy wasp]

not consistent enough

[hallow needle]

randos never read chat it seems

[compact portal]

I wish staff special was a ground staff slam personal radius wave instead of silly poke

[exotic kindle]

I'd do that or even just allow players to generate warp charges by holding special w/ brainburst out

[weak flame]

you also need to pray that you get a monstrosity that is also an ogryn

[exotic kindle]

So you're precasting BB

Or just tie it to x kills

Lots of things you can do

[ebon sedge]

You will eventually get one as u still need 100 missions for the helmet tier 3

[exotic kindle]

CD works too like blessed shot

[fallow meadow]

some random don't even listen to med pack and ammo highlights

[hallow needle]

i just want to do my cliffhanger at a bridge

but they cant reaad :(

damn ogryns

[worthy wasp]

just give BB a passive buff that makes it to where every 10% peril you quell gives it a chance to make your next BB instant cast

[exotic kindle]

I dont like RNG for stuff like that

[worthy wasp]

tru, def not perf

[exotic kindle]

Consistency is real important for skill expression

[worthy wasp]

so once every 15 secs your next BB is instant

[boreal wave]

If you ask me, brain burst should just be a DOT that executes the target after a certain HP threshold. That way, we can still kill priority targets with less chance for the kill to be stolen from us (and therefor losing out on a warp charge) and damage done by other players to the target remains helpful and productive.

[worthy wasp]

or once every 10

[exotic kindle]

Basically yes, like blessed shot

[worthy wasp]

ye

[fallow meadow]

Agree, but that is not affecting the gameplay at all so it is hard to complain

[exotic kindle]

But instead you have warp charges that stack up to 4

No duration

BB without a charge is the garbage we have now

With a charge it slaps

[wheat wren]

Just put out a post in lfg saying you're trying to get it with a voice channel already taken. I did it when it needed 20 enemies and a full squad of other psyker also snagged it.

[worthy wasp]

BB should be instant once every 10 secs

GG

[lament zealot]

I think the easiest way to fix psyker until they have more time for a full rework is make the charges decay 1 by 1, and make the BB one shot dogs, bursters and flamers on diff 4 and 5 too

[worthy wasp]

then you can use it fluidly

but spamming it is discouraged

[tall dune]

whoever thought of penances & achievements at Fat Shark should be fired because they're the most unfun, frustrating and some of the most ridiculous stuff I have had the bad luck to play in years; totally killed my actual fun for the game. Mistake on my part for even trying to care about achievements but just the fact to be giving them a try has nothing but made me want to uninstall it so bad.

[boreal wave]

Charges decaying 1 at a time is an absolute must

[exotic kindle]

Just doubling BB damage would make it atleast usable. It would actually still be pretty bad even then lol

[worthy wasp]

well imo, it shouldnt be both faster and stronger

[hallow needle]

give psyker the staff primary attack on its brain blast aswell

[worthy wasp]

and I'd prefer faster

[hallow needle]

let psykers shoot balls without staff

[wheat wren]

I think making bb half the rate that it is now would be fine enough. The level 30 bb half rate perk after using your ult is how fast standard bb should feel.

[exotic kindle]

Why not?

[worthy wasp]

thatd be op af

[exotic kindle]

It wouldn't

It would still be slower than just shooting it

[worthy wasp]

no los ability with unlimited uses that 1 shots every special in the game and 1-2 shots every elite in the game??

thatd be broken

[exotic kindle]

With a 2.5 second cast time? Absolutely

[worthy wasp]

4 psyker parties would just dumpster everything

nah, youre saying faster and stronger

I'm saying it should be one or the other

so you cant just spam BB and win

[lament zealot]

the BB should definitely one shot bursters and hounds in diff 4 and 5, it's absurd that it doesn't

[fallow meadow]

you still need to rest after 2 use so I think 50%off won't be broken

[exotic kindle]

Depends on how fast it is

[worthy wasp]

agree

[exotic kindle]

Also yeah, peril

[worthy wasp]

peril lol

[exotic kindle]

Even if the 30 feat was up 100% of the time

[worthy wasp]

you can use it at 99 peril

[exotic kindle]

And if did double damage

It wouldnt be as wild as a bolter is

[worthy wasp]

bolter needs looked at

[compact portal]

Curios for psykers that buff aspects of bb

Like cast
time and damage
Or add additional targeting

[worthy wasp]

then

the thing is

BB was nerfed in closed beta

[glossy bough]

Y'all got any good strategies for Out With a Bang penance?

[worthy wasp]

but the talent tree is still built around old BB

the talent tree should be reworked to support new BB

ie: Allowing it to hit additional targets and whatnot

[exotic kindle]

Thing is even with Bolter being strong people still get dunked on in damnation

[fallow meadow]

I just test out the revolver. I is fun to shoot, but super lame in terms of usefulness

[exotic kindle]

Bolter doesnt need much of a nerf if at all really

Everything is just unreasonably weak and hyper specific

[worthy wasp]

1. ppl are bad
2. we dont even have crafting yet for gear

I guarantee many of those ppl in t5 are rocking signif unoptimized gear

[fallow meadow]

The revolver is just work like a super bad shotgun

[exotic kindle]

Most stuff is just bad even with optimized gear

[worthy wasp]

just wait til we all have power 400 items instead of this "pray for 380" shit and we have all the min-maxed passives/traits we want

[exotic kindle]

Balance is whack

Revolver has half the ammo of a bolter omegalul

[worthy wasp]

we're going to continue to progress and get stronger

but we're still going to be playing the same fkn diff

[compact portal]

Um my stuff is well over 460

[worthy wasp]

doin the same shit

[worthy wasp]

lol

[exotic kindle]

380 base not total

[cyan notch]

why is 400 the cap

what if its just 380 forever

[compact portal]

No

[worthy wasp]

when you make suggestions keep in mind that we are going to continue to get stronger and stronger and the enemies are going to stay the same

[exotic kindle]

Also breakpoints can only do so much when your base stats are real bad

[ashen bear]

Yo guys what are (Specialists) are they all the mini bosses?

[exotic kindle]

Theres not much of a ceiling

[hardy lily]

People suck Bolters dick but if you look at the downtime the average DPS is trash

[ornate hamlet]

do people still play this class

[magic hull]

Hey guys is executor good?

[ornate hamlet]

not really

[exotic kindle]

burst is what matters more than anything anyways. The dps is also the best on hard targets which is what ends runs

[lament zealot]

Balance is whack indeed, what's the point of all the normal swords for psyker when force sword can block ranged, stun entire hordes, almost one shot elites and CC them into the ground with push attacks. Why does my trauma staff at 40% warp resist use 49% on a full charge but a 80% resist uses 46% peril ?? Wow amazing reduction. The list goes on an on...

[hardy lily]

The perks suck but otherwise looks great

[glossy bough]

I'd be happy to use that sword anyway, good stats and Deflector

[ornate hamlet]

the stats are good, yeah

[worthy wasp]

we're likely going to be getting more buffs/crafting/min-maxed passives+traits+blessing before we see a new diff like Cata in vt2

[exotic kindle]

You can kill a monstrosity in two magazines. Oh no a reload

[hardy lily]

A 6 second reload

[hallow needle]

which level 20 feat do you guys recommend?

[hardy lily]

XII can kill the monstrosity in less than a magazine lol

[exotic kindle]

Amen

[worthy wasp]

I use normal weaps over force sword

[coarse pond]

just a quick question, is it absolutely vital to use surge for high diffs or am i still good to use purge? i'm a semi-casual player

[magic hull]

cop or nah

[exotic kindle]

XII takes much longer because you need to headshot them. Bolter literally just sprays. Also their reload isnt 6 seconds

[hardy lily]

Same. I miss the force push but I like passive Peril Quell

[worthy wasp]

purg, void, and surge are all viable

[ornate hamlet]

jesus, the game reset my graphic settings again
i keep having to turn off dlss and ray tracing ffs

[hardy lily]

Yes Bolter is legit 6 seconds without perks

[coarse pond]

i saw people saying purge was bad if used wrong but like; how do you use it then?

[hallow needle]

this worth it?

[coarse pond]

i consistently wipe hordes with it so i think i'm using it right

[ornate hamlet]

"used wrong" lol
whoever told you that is a moron

[glossy bough]

Purgatus really comes into its own at level 30, when you get the 10% chance to gain warp charge on any soul flame kill

[magic hull]

left click to stun, right click for horde control

[worthy wasp]

holy mother of fuck

[magic hull]

you really need a good melee to accompany with purg otherwise its underwhelming

[worthy wasp]

stop posting shitty sub-level 30 weapons

get to level 30 then ask about shit ppl

[hallow needle]

how very mature and nice of you

must be fun at parties

[ornate hamlet]

terrifying barrage is a good one to have, that staff is bad tho

[coarse pond]

gatekeeping

[lament zealot]

dueling sword for mobility and a good axe for damage are ok cause auto quell rate but what about the others

[last sleet]

With any weapon you want the base rating to be as close to 400 as possible to be "worth it".

[hardy lily]

He's not wrong though, just buy significant upgrades to keep afloat until 30

[last sleet]

Goes for all classes.

[worthy wasp]

aight

[magic hull]

compare it to your relative staffs for now

[hallow needle]

well i am not at that point yet

[worthy wasp]

sorry for being an ass

[hardy lily]

Don't buy minor small upgrades

[worthy wasp]

Intra is absolutely right

[hallow needle]

i dont play all day :D

[exotic kindle]

Just use whatever you want

[hallow needle]

i got other stuff sadly to do

[ornate hamlet]

don't listen to them, buy whatever you want kid

[hardy lily]

Keep one copy of each weapon in case they patch stuff

[gloomy beacon]

When does the gamepass get the stats update=

[worthy wasp]

Use the bare minimum, you dont need great gear or l33t stats to play through t1-3 difficulty.

Then, when you are level 30, use all that currency you saved up to buy the stuff you want

[exotic kindle]

Yep yep

[last sleet]

If you want to know if a weapon during leveling is worth exchanging, you might wanna SS the compare screen.
As for not being there yet: You'll get there, no worries. :)

[worthy wasp]

and enjoy w/e diff you want

[exotic kindle]

I'd just try everything and have fun

[coarse pond]

i'm stuck on T3 only because i'm too much of a casual to get to level 30 and too lonely to find a good premade

[worthy wasp]

you dont need to play t4/t5 to enjoy the game

just like vt2

[last sleet]

Don't lie to people.

[exotic kindle]

Lifes good before you start to get deep and psyker falls apart lmao

[worthy wasp]

you can get awesome shit w/o doing the hardest shit

have fun

but

plz

[magic hull]

i need help, what % is this? crit? damage?

[worthy wasp]

w8 til level 30 before you start worrying about what is good and what isnt

[ebon sedge]

having x2 psykers in one team on tier4 diff sucks so much

[worthy wasp]

because until then it doesnt matter at all

[haughty flame]

I did it by accident, was just cruising through heresy

[cyan notch]

is the only way to get new weapons to buy from the shop? what happened to emperors gift and stuff

[worthy wasp]

not gate keeping

[bitter orbit]

What exactly does the perk all or nothing do?

[coarse pond]

i got both malice penances done in the same mission because i had awesome fuckin teammates

[exotic kindle]

Game is early access fellas

[bitter orbit]

It says "up to 3% power scaling with stamina"

[worthy wasp]

Myself and many others played through the game with shitty whites/greens I/they got at like level 1-10 until 30

[haughty flame]

Pick nmix was pretty easy to do on endless horde

[cyan notch]

why dont we get anything from completing a mission besides money to buy stuff from shop which has nothing u want for 1 hour

[hallow needle]

you do sometimes get a gift of the emperor

[compact portal]

The lower the difficulty and higher level you are the less rewards you receive

[gray kelp]

oh this seems actually good

[haughty flame]

Because the game was released too early so thats all there is for now.

[worthy wasp]

the prog here is diff from vt2 too

[exotic kindle]

Because the shop is next to the cash shop. Other players will cluster there and you'll see their drip, hopefully convincing you to walk over and crack open that wallet

[worthy wasp]

vt2 relied on you salvaging a ton of shit to get crafting mats, and you would quickly fill inv with a load of crap and would have to filter through it and decide to trash and it was a pain in the ass

here

they cut the bullcrap

and just give you the mats

the issue is there isnt a fleshed out crafting system yet

[exotic kindle]

I wouldnt exactly say they cut the bullcrap

Since you can't actually craft anything

[magic hull]

yeah its good, heres mine for comparison:
(I still need someone to explain what the hell does Executor means tho... crit? damage?)

[cyan notch]

here u cant try a new weapon because its not in the shop for hours

[exotic kindle]

Its only an upgrade system

[stoic mural]

hmm, do you guys have issues getting max level players lately that just seem to ignore the rest of the squad? Just had a mission where two of them (not in a strike team) that basically sped run the entire mission, abandoning anyone that got swarmed in the final dash that couldn't keep up with them on an intel mission.

[worthy wasp]

right, crafting comes in December I believe

[exotic kindle]

Which is way worse in my eyes

[worthy wasp]

and they are going to flesh it out over time

[exotic kindle]

So far they've only shown upgrading

[hallow needle]

better not be next december lol

[haughty flame]

The game will get there, just wait a while for some updates and see what happens. for now just enjoy the gameplay

[worthy wasp]

this month

and sorry again for being a jackass

[exotic kindle]

Cant generate my own gear ala athanor or even just forge a 380 for example

[hallow needle]

ive had much much worse

[magic hull]

wait wtf executor is actually good, its crit

[exotic kindle]

S H O P

[magic hull]

just tested

[gray kelp]

lmao of course there's a blessing that literally doesn't tell you what it does

[stoic mural]

got nailed by a dog while fleeing and they just ran away to complete the mission. I don't think you get penalized if not everyone makes it to the ship at the end right?

[haughty flame]

On public unfortunately its hit and miss what type of players you get, some like to speedrun, some dont, some teach teamplay. just random ennit

[hallow needle]

just look at my steam profile and see all the comments from dead by daylight players XD

[autumn lark]

hopefully that means every weapon comes this month including the psyker claymore and 2 handed chainaxe

[magic hull]

its crit im pretty sure

[worthy wasp]

fatshark isnt a big company but they mean well

[autumn lark]

this also happpened in vermintide with zealot saltz and the elf

[stoic mural]

true

[hardy lily]

I had one level 30 pleb leave the whole team behind, aggro the entire map, and die

Dumbass

[gray kelp]

if it is that sounds pretty good actually, +20% crit

[magic hull]

it has a nice sparkling effect when crit

[haughty flame]

Before I head to work just going to post this one more time

Pick n mix is cancer good luck

[stoic mural]

goes to show that even without the score board you got some folks that can have toxic-ish behavior. Then again, if you're not punished for leaving a party member behind, why risk the entire mission I guess

[hardy lily]

Jesus you are almost at 500k?

50k*

[exotic kindle]

VT2 wasnt even toxic tbh

[stoic mural]

it was a scanning mission where you have to flee from the room and are chased by hordes of pox walkers and such. If they had ran back they coud have died as well so eh.

[worthy wasp]

sucks that they get so much crap for their "cash shop"... they legit knew the game was is a "meh" state so sold it for $40 and are running dedicated servers, which are expensive to keep up, and maintaining them using JUST cosmetics.

[exotic kindle]

I miss friendly fire lol

Ff and the scoreboard rip

[haughty flame]

I'm nearly at 100k kills total, need 11k more

[stoic mural]

I never played it without friends so I can't say honestly

[autumn lark]

the punishment for straying behind or rushing is negligable

[exotic kindle]

Me and my wife played pugs all the time

[stoic mural]

However, 16hr time zone difference doesn't let me play with my friends much anymore.

[autumn lark]

because if you are compitent you can kill the specialists the game spawns when you do that

[exotic kindle]

Yes some people die and run ahead but whatever

[hardy lily]

Spawn 3 dogs and 2 trappers, kill solo player, GG

[worthy wasp]

mostly zealots

[haughty flame]

16 hours jesus

[exotic kindle]

Some people are just bad

[stoic mural]

yeah I noticed that

[exotic kindle]

In my experience it was mostly grail knights

[autumn lark]

the game usualy spawns a dog first then a trapper then a bomber and then just trappers

[haughty flame]

I feel like "no scoreboard" was just a copout because they didnt put any dev time into it, hopefully we do get it in someway

[worthy wasp]

zealot tend to attract the degenerates of the community. Its like elf in vt

[exotic kindle]

Speaking of I hate coherency

[gloomy beacon]

Gotta love the gamepass version

[cyan notch]

100%

[haughty flame]

I miss seeing how to improve on a character, it locks to me to using youtube for tips and how to play etc

[compact portal]

Aquilas are cheap as chips too

[stoic mural]

They said in one of their posts they are working on it, and I have to agree sadly.

[worthy wasp]

its p insane how many weapons there are and what the stats do

compare the weapon system here to vermintide

[autumn lark]

scoreboard reducing toxicity is the biggest load of shit because the penances actively make you sabotage your team

[worthy wasp]

its nuts how much more you get out of the weaps here

[haughty flame]

Its not so much the cash shop thats the problem, I buy skins in games, love an MTX store, the problem with this one is the FOMO and the pricing is predatory, I wont support that.

[worthy wasp]

the diff versions/variants

[haughty flame]

I think i easily spent over 300 in VT2