psyker-class

[mild lotus]

the aoe does almost no damage

[bright wind]

So just got my purge staff. I think i am probably not using it right? Or is the void strike just objectively better?

[half turtle]

Dang rip

[mild lotus]

you must hit with the bolt

[native thorn]

this is easier if you try to focus on more stationary hordes or enemies running towards you

[mild lotus]

the aoe is a an added bonus to stagger things

[native thorn]

not objectively, no. Purge staff is much better at horde control I'd say

[half turtle]

Makes sense

[mild lotus]

imo, void is objectively better but perhaps your staff has terrible stats too?

[frail viper]

whats the feat build for surge staff?

[native thorn]

But yeah it doesn't kill as good

[half turtle]

Is there like an extra bonus for being full charge or is 99% of charge good enough

If I fuck up the timing

[mild lotus]

let's say that purg is way better at dealing with horde that aren't in a line

[native thorn]

I've got a bit of high ping too so I've had to refine my target selection lmao

[wide quest]

For general use the void staff is better, the purg staff shines only in certain team comps where your main focus is killing and controlling hordes.

[hot epoch]

So... i assume a daemon host is a monstrosity? because i just got screwed out of my armor

[mild lotus]

no bonus that I'm aware of

[inland needle]

Charging increases damage

[white badger]

Purge staff is just a flamethrower with 1/5th the damage

[half turtle]

Or I guess should I wait to be sure it's charged all the way or just shoot it when it looks good

[serene stone]

It's better on diff 4/5 imo for dealing with hordes

[inland needle]

One I have atm deals 150-ish on a basic attack, 90-ish on an uncharged quick-throw and 250-ish on a full charge

[mild lotus]

you can spam surge

[half turtle]

But there's no volcanic force type effect or anything right

[native thorn]

Better phrased than I did, you can sweep areas with purge and it helps by staggering

[mild lotus]

it only increases the damage

and it's already terrible damage wise anyway

[native thorn]

void is focused

[zinc patrol]

Charging the lightning staff just makes it do more damage. It doesn't lengthen the amount of stun time.

[bright wind]

ah see i am not to that point yet

[half turtle]

Oh sorry I was asking about fireball staff

[mild lotus]

yes,
corridor: void
open areas: purg

[white badger]

For lightning, I think the best tactic is quick-charges. Just a tiny bit of charge, to get the stun.

[native thorn]

yeah defs

[mild lotus]

note that corridor means any "in a line" formation of hordes as well

[native thorn]

lightning doesn't do much damage anyway

if you wanna kill em then stun and quickswap to a sword

[white badger]

Lightning does OK against metal-clad targets. It's awful against poxwalkers and such

[native thorn]

no need to block when they can't move

[bright wind]

current purge staff

[half turtle]

Hmm does the lightning chaining effect stagger less well

[craggy swan]

How is one meant to reasonably achieve this given how long a brain burst takes to get off and a very unlikely clump of shotgunners/ragers that'll pop in one

[mild lotus]

very not good I'm afraid

[wide quest]

For voidstrike I always charge it half way since it's much faster, less peril cost and the dmg is good enough to kill hordes with a headshot.

[mild lotus]

what's your level?

[craggy swan]

Is there any strat other than pure luck?

[bright wind]

15

[night marten]

gotta use third 30 perk, and ideally work with a premade or a set of bots near the beginning of a mission on those early big packs for efficiency

[native thorn]

more than stagger. everything that gets shocked gets stunned

[white badger]

Lightning staggers 5 at a time pretty reliably

[serene stone]

you also want kinetic flayer with purge, 10% with every hit to BB

[mild lotus]

yes, use brain burst

[native thorn]

Force sword block attack staggers, lightning staff stuns

better cc

[echo parrot]

Use the third level 30 feat, I got that penance entirely by accident

[white badger]

Ryuko - you need the right level 30 feat, and the exact right composition of monsters.

[craggy swan]

Listen here you lil shit, I'll give you a piece of my mind

[mild lotus]

calm, sibling

[craggy swan]

Right, okay... so third 30 feat and luck

greaaaaaaaaat

[bright wind]

i haven't had a psyker long used to play seanna alot though its a very similar concept

[mild lotus]

you're acting like an ogryn

[native thorn]

even some of the same staves lmao

[half turtle]

Makes sense, thanks

[white badger]

Many of the psyker feats are nonsense. Good thing it's only cosmetics at stake

[bright wind]

Honestly most of them are similar if not replicas

[half turtle]

Sorry I mean specifically the "secondary" targets that seem to chain from the closest 4 guys you hit

[valid ledge]

Im starting to feel more like a liability than an asset on Heresy level

[white badger]

Turtle, solved that problem by leveling a veteran 😉

[mild lotus]

Oh by the way, for those of you that may not know this, the FSword push attack throws down almost every mobs save for monstrosities, bulwarks and perhaps reapers. But ragers, maulers and even crushers all go down with a single push attack.

[wide quest]

I mean, you can always get a premade team to lessen the luck variable in terms of getting the setup to pull the penance off.

[native thorn]

I feel like conflagration staff was better in VT2 than it is on psyker but that is probably down to more ranged damage from teammates and more angles that enemies attack from

[half turtle]

I actually loved having psykers on team on 5s as a zealot

[native thorn]

Everyone who gets the blue filter applied is stunned

[white badger]

I have to assume Fatshark is aware that BBurst doesn't scale, and that the warp-charge mechanic is fairly meaningless.

[candid temple]

no, it was better

[native thorn]

I think aoe felt bigger

[wide quest]

But some people have indeed gotten pick n mix on a whim while playing normally, with the bottom lvl 30 feat of course.

[native thorn]

Also VT2 enemies seemed to clump way harder

[half turtle]

Psyker upside that's imo a huge deal: they don't use ammo or grenades

[native thorn]

Oh also, when you do try surge again, don't bother charging it, like at all

Just increased damage

target switch and stun everything you can

[half turtle]

Just instant rmb lmb?

[valid ledge]

I think my biggest problem in Heresy is that I cant brain burst before my other party members kill, so I cant build warp stacks, and they are always running ahead of me so no cohesion to get the stacks from their kills

[native thorn]

literally hold rmb and lmb whenever the charge bar shows up

[craggy swan]

I've been very lucky with having good people help me acquire some of the other psyker penances. Soloing a boss on Heresy is just a matter of finding a few people willing to kite a beast for about 5 minutes while I whittle it down

[mild lotus]

use kinetic flayer

[white badger]

Warp Stacks don't do much for you, really. Just get them passively

[half turtle]

Dang I'll try it, still gets full stun?

[native thorn]

but don't "stack" the stun, try make sure you target switch if you're spamming

Yep only damage goes up

and lightning damage is low anyway

[mild lotus]

unless you're hitting flak armour ennemies

then the damage becomes great

[native thorn]

fair

[half turtle]

Hmm I noticed some things only stun if I hold it on them for the whole channel (mutants mostly)

[mild lotus]

but still, the low amount of max targets of the staff makes it barely decent to clear trash mobs

[white badger]

It's very much worth trying your weapons in the Psykernarium. You'll see that Surge does decent damage against some enemies, but not others

[brave vale]

So I just hit level 30. I don't know when I should be spedding Dockets and Contract points. WHat should I do first?

[wide quest]

For the monstrosity penance, just hope that you get the plague ogryn when the time comes

[native thorn]

not entirely sure on that, maybe someone else can answer

[mild lotus]

dockets go up VERY fast, check the shop every hour and buy stuff with a stat score of 360+

[night marten]

look for weapons with at least 340 base stats, regardless of rarity. ideally non-useless perks and blessings

[valid ledge]

Also, what staff should I be using? I currently have void with a peril reduction blessing

[white badger]

Peri, don't get blinded by purple/ mastercraft. It's the bars that matter. Like that 65% Damage bar on the axe, which makes it awful

[craggy swan]

Or a slab with a shield that's willing to tank the shit outta a daemonhost while everyone else just watches

[mild lotus]

keep your contract points for really good buys

[half turtle]

I've been running the talent that gives 4% warp charge on coherency kill to get stacks but I'm like level 25 still playing 3/4s

[mild lotus]

don't waste them

[half turtle]

So idk if theres something better

[pine topaz]

@mild lotus to FS push, you have to hold the block for the full animation without cancelling or letting go left mouse right ?

[native thorn]

another interesting thing you can do if you wanna use this strat is run a non force melee weapon. take the toughness when quelling feat and let it wear down passively when you jump into melee post stun

Makes you decently tanky

[white badger]

Buy yourself a grey weapon with a 350+ rating and the right stat distribution. Then upgrade it

[native thorn]

Axe better for single targets rapier better for hordes

[mild lotus]

yes, you keep m1 pressed until your character "pushes" again

[pine topaz]

thanks

[half turtle]

Oh does passive quelling count for that?? I've been avoiding it because I assumed it was only holding r

[candid temple]

hm? that's the push attack tho?

[mild lotus]

you can't miss it, you'll recognise the move when you see it

[native thorn]

I only learned about it 2 hours ago but yeah

[gusty rivet]

Trying to finish an assassinate mission this dude stands there and wait for us to take down the shield and then he does his range attack and tellls us this

[native thorn]

same goes for when you ult

[mild lotus]

also, you have to aim directly at the mob you want to push or else it doesn't work

very important

[gusty rivet]

Can you brain burst a boss with his shield?

[white badger]

I found a Force Sword with Deflector and a block efficiency trait. It's pretty great for tanking ranged

Yello, yes

[candid temple]

tfw brain bursting vs assassination target.

[half turtle]

Well it's just as effective as hitting him once with an axe I guess

[narrow haven]

Quick Question frens - Which one would you pick?

[radiant trail]

well you deal damage to the shield then

[valid ledge]

Void, Trauma, Purgatus or Surge?

[white badger]

BBurst ignores shields

[wide quest]

4% chance for warp charge feat and 10% chance to bb on hit will keep your warp charges at full stack almost all the time especially on heresy and damnation. On lower difficulties I wouldn't pay much attention to warp charges since they aren't too important.

[pine topaz]

My staff has "shoot when sprinting" so I'm just rushing them

[white badger]

Oh, you mean an energy shield

[native thorn]

hey now first 5 levels it is the way

[night marten]

second one if I had to pick, but neither is great

[gusty rivet]

Yes, it's assassination

[candid temple]

when heavy special attack does like 25-40% of boss hp, depending on difficulty

[white badger]

No, against energy shields, just jump in the melee pack

[narrow haven]

yea its all i got

for now

i just hit 30

[candid temple]

if you get unlucky and can't buy a force sword sure.

but even then you'd be much better off meleeing the shield

[gusty rivet]

For the most part meleeing is the fastest to get h is shield down

[night marten]

you don't care about charge rate on surge, and you very much care about warp resist

[narrow haven]

ah okay

ill keep that in mind

im just looking for a good force sword and surge base

[native thorn]

solid combo just be careful of hordes

[narrow haven]

i was using purgatus for hordes

[white badger]

Bosses with Energy Shield = someone drop a medkit at the boss's feet, then everyone dogpile in there with melee weapons

[narrow haven]

but idk higher difficulty

i feel like staggering hordes is more important

[native thorn]

Gotta admit the first time I landed a charged heavy force attack on a boss I was shocked at the damage lol

[gusty rivet]

Yea exactly, this psy was standing back shooting his ranged

I'm like bruh

[radiant trail]

but isn't BB better on the boss from damage?

[pine topaz]

the psy should be cc mobs while the other 3 kills boss

[candid temple]

I don't think it explains anywhere

[wide quest]

It depends on what your team needs, each staff has their purpose. If your team has no trouble with hordes then surge will bring more value to the table.

[static epoch]

I think the only reason to BB a boss is when you're in the spot where the trash comes and you're waiting to clear the trash.

[nocturne stream]

well the game doesn't really tell you that ranged fucking sucks on bosses tho lul

[candid temple]

that you do a lot more damage if you heave the special 😂

[white badger]

Yep. And we've all grouped with the psyker who does nothing but brainburst trash mobs 😉 Don't be that psyker!

[native thorn]

try landing a special fully charged heavy on a boss

It's insane

[pine topaz]

ooooof

i'd throw in a BB on the boss when his shield goes off IF there's no mobs around

[native thorn]

Down to personal taste ofc, I just usually pick a melee weapon to make up for whatever staff I have's shortcomings

[narrow haven]

For damage - Purgatus is better?

[native thorn]

Surge doesn't do great horde damage

[sonic root]

What I really need is a way to turn diamonte into plasteel

[white badger]

I do more damage with a charged-up force sword than brainburst

[radiant trail]

lol why

[narrow haven]

From what i've seen here, the force sword seems to be the main weapon of choice

[raw swift]

void for killing and surge for pushing enemys back

[narrow haven]

its also the weapon i enjoy the most

[raw swift]

both are great

[candid temple]

and if you're lucky you can get two charges off

[gusty rivet]

this

[native thorn]

The 3 viable staves all have pretty different playstyles

[candid temple]

if you pre-charge right before shield goes down

[sonic root]

I'm sitting on a surplus of Diamont and like no plasteel lol

[pine topaz]

i love FS, i will not use anything else to the detriment of future runs

[native thorn]

not too many people run surge in solos, and if you aren't running surge force sword is great

[white badger]

Grandalf, you can always speedrun 2's for a while, then

[native thorn]

surge + FS just makes you very very bad at killing swarms

[narrow haven]

what other staff would you recommend?

[sonic root]

That makes sense

[narrow haven]

i was enjoying purgatus + force

tbh

[native thorn]

Oh I love surge staff

[narrow haven]

purgatus for hordes, force for ST

[sonic root]

I actually see a ton of surge and almost nothing else now, weirdly

[native thorn]

I just run it with non force weapons

[pine topaz]

surge makes all elites trivial unless they throw 50 things at u + horde 😦

[wide quest]

For dmg then purg is better than surge, but against flak or carapace armored enemies then surge is probably better.

[pine topaz]

I keep telling my rl friend to protect the psyker

[candid temple]

heavy special attack is like 1200-1500 damage

[white badger]

You can't build for everything. You have to rely on your team to cover some bases.

[native thorn]

What is it you want to do? Purg deals best with hordes, void is damage king and surge makes you the best support character in the game

[narrow haven]

I just wanna plow down hordes

Never to be afraid of them

[native thorn]

purg/void

[narrow haven]

That's kinda how i feel with purg right now

[gusty rivet]

preacher with a hammer

[sonic root]

I think trauma is the only staff right now that is pretty whatever

[white badger]

Spiffy, the answer to that is to get really good at dodge/ block/ push melee.

[mild lotus]

I go back on my statement from earlier about the FSword push attack, it throws down even reapers and breaks bulwarks' guard if done on their side or behind.

[wide quest]

Voidstrike might be better than purg in some cases, and it's also probably the best staff for general use since it can deal with hordes and stagger enemies along with certain specials and elites.

[candid temple]

I don't fear hordes with void

[narrow haven]

And is there a resource I can use to look at which blessings I should be opting for as well as the stat distributions?

[native thorn]

void takes a little more aiming and is more focused in its fire but it makes big boom

[white badger]

Regardless of your loadout, you should be able to survive against a horde for quite a long time, if you learn to melee.

[narrow haven]

I have mostly ignored Void but will give it another go

[narrow haven]

Agreed

[native thorn]

purge is kind of a middle ground, it gives some cc and some damage

[sonic root]

I am not sure if it's just RNG, but void is also the only one I am seeing with that weakspot perils reduction perk

[native thorn]

big aoe flame stagger I mean

But give surge/FS a try, it's pretty fun

[white badger]

Lightning has a much longer range for stagger, relative to Fire.

[native thorn]

Just makes you a bit more reliant on team

[wide quest]

I think that might be intentional considering it's the only staff with a secondary attack that can attually hit weakpoints

[pine topaz]

I gotta use a flame staff WITHOUT the stagger perk to see what the difference is

[native thorn]

Also I'm pretty sure lightning stun > stagger

[urban dove]

Aye Does Psykenetic Aura Effect your allys ? like reducing thier Cool Downs on every elite kill ?

[native thorn]

but I'm not sure

[pine topaz]

@native thorn u r corredct

[narrow haven]

And as far as the blessings and stat distributions go? Is there somewhere I can see what the optimal ones to use are for the different weapons?

[native thorn]

ty

[sonic root]

I would agree the lightning stun is better than the stagger in all cases since it also works on muties

[native thorn]

So yeah surge is the "hardest" cc that exists in the game

outside of murder i guess

[white badger]

Yeah, Weazel. Lightning CC has longer range, more duration and does more damage against armored targets. Fire is shorter range, very short duration, but does decent damage against unarmored hordes

[sonic root]

I ain't sure but I also don't think purg will stagger shield Bois from the front but I believe surge does stun them

[candid temple]

the others can't get it

[white badger]

You can also just spam L-Click with fire, which is easy and fast

[pine topaz]

Master the melee dance, and run lightning. I fear NO HORDE

[native thorn]

oh right that's true

[white badger]

Essens.. same here, exactly that.

[pine topaz]

I ... haven't mastered the melee though

so I fear hordes

[wide quest]

Yep, the flame doesn't go through the shield

[native thorn]

@narrow haven if you do give surge a go, don't charge the lightning unless you're hitting something armored. You just hold right click and throw the lightning everytime your charge bar appears

[white badger]

Just get good at melee, and positioning, and you're much better off

[native thorn]

Charge doesn't affect stun

[subtle robin]

i made a vet after fully leveling psyker, and now i'm gunpilled

it feels so much better even at level 1

[narrow haven]

Yeah that's how I use it

[native thorn]

kk cool

[candid temple]

oh, actually trauma and void can get transfer peril, but...

[inland needle]

I'm the other way around
Made vet, then a psyker

[candid temple]

Trauma

[pine topaz]

I made a zealot. Hate it

[sonic root]

Surge does feel like the easiest to perils yourself though so be careful with that lol

[pine topaz]

I need to try vet though

[narrow haven]

Is there a resource to see what blessings and stats I should be looking for?

[native thorn]

Sure if murder is all you wanna do

[pine topaz]

who doesn't like power swords?

[narrow haven]

Like a spreadsheet or something?

[inland needle]

Veteran is pretty baller

[wide quest]

Psyker has always been much more reliant on the weapons and feats to be effective

[candid temple]

Oh damn, Terrifying Barrage + Transfer Peril is probably the dream voidstaff.

[pine topaz]

Walk softly, and carry a BIG GUN

[white badger]

Yeah, Sunshine, same here. Vets are better at everything, with two exceptions. One, we can fish for distant, hard-to-see snipers. And two, we can keep elite packs stunned.

[candid temple]

aim for heads and never stop blasting.

[mild lotus]

not that I'm aware of yet

[native thorn]

doubt there's one yet

Game's too new and theorycrafters still building

especially on psyker there are a lot of variables

It's not just pew harder

[sonic root]

Vet and psyker basically change roles, imo, from 1-3 to 4/5

[white badger]

On a staff, Traumatic Barrage gives you a LOT more CC

[native thorn]

or get pewed lesser

[candid temple]

just check: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

there's really not that many blessings

[narrow haven]

Thank you!

[candid temple]

that are good.

[white badger]

I think that's the name.. it's the blessing that suppresses everything within 5/ 7 meters upon a close-range kill

[candid temple]

yes

[narrow haven]

what do you guys like using on staves?

[native thorn]

But how many can I use to make meme builds

[mild lotus]

that one is arguably op

[tacit fractal]

Siblings I have sweated against a plague ogryn and successfully claimed my price FIRST TRY BABY

[native thorn]

very dependant on staff

[white badger]

Jedi = Surge + Force Sword with Deflector blessing 😉

Gratz, Vin. Hope you thanked your patient teammates 😉

[mild lotus]

When did the jedis use force lightning again?

[sonic root]

It feels like the tank psyker is both a meme build and the right build lol

[mild lotus]

Oh yeah, when the fell to the dark side;

[white badger]

Well, Jedi/ Sith mashup!

[native thorn]

as snit said, traumatic barrage adds a lot of cc, so if you're on surge then it's a good blessing

[wide quest]

My intrusive thoughts wishes people to experience the monstrosity penance pre-nerf

[native thorn]

less so if you wanna burn things up

[snow dust]

When fighting hordes, is it better to charge up the surge staff or just spam it?

[tacit fractal]

I did, granted a mad zealot and two roughnecks a blessing from the emperor

[native thorn]

spam

[mild lotus]

spam

[native thorn]

unless armored boi

[mild lotus]

even then

2 zaps will kill them

[native thorn]

oh wow

nice

ok yeah just spam

[snow dust]

Thanks

[wide quest]

Traumatic barrage is only on trauma staff I believe

[mild lotus]

depends on diff I guess

[untold kestrel]

idk, surge is kinda bad vs hordes, even melee is faster

[mild lotus]

didn't try in damnation

[native thorn]

I dumb

[white badger]

No, Mr Clean. I have it on my surge staff

[wide quest]

WHat >:O

[native thorn]

I no dumb

[snow dust]

It's not about the speed, it's keeping my squishy pub mates alives.....

Q_Q

[native thorn]

^

[candid temple]

novoid too

[snow dust]

And CC'ing the stuff about to smack them in the face helps keep them alive longer than me running over to hit things with my sword.

[wide quest]

A few hours ago some people said it's only on the trauma staff so :P

[untold kestrel]

is your team dying to poxwalker hordes though? or just the elites within them?

[onyx urchin]

Anyone have a good void staff I can compare damage with to my surge?

[sonic root]

Does left click have pen on surge?

[native thorn]

someone mentioned earlier that passive quelling applies to the toughness when quelling feat. Works nice with a non force weapon

[teal cargo]

well if you kill the horde faster its a lot easier to deaal with the elites

[snow dust]

Aye

[native thorn]

also you can stun elites

But in general surge is just great at preventing damage

[snow dust]

So far the best way I've found to carry pubs is to just kill the ranged stuff and elites.

[native thorn]

even if it's not preventing an immediate death that's still really good value

[white badger]

It's called Terrifying Barrage. And it absolutely comes on Lightning staff

[sonic root]

Man, I think the only thing my teams have been wiping to is gun hordes

[snow dust]

Lots of pubs are decent at dealing with hordes, they just suck arse at dealing with ranged and specials.

[snow dust]

Aye

[native thorn]

also explody bois in my experience

which is another reason I like surge

[cold plinth]

would suppresion be good on voidstrike?

[untold kestrel]

alright thats what i was kinda getting at. thats the reason i run void, but i see the value of surge on bursters/dogs/mutants

[native thorn]

lightning isn't enough damage to explode it

[sonic root]

Yeah, ragers and ogryns and the like haven't been the problem or dogs, it's when 30+ gun bois show up and you don't have a shield ogryns

[unkempt juniper]

gun hordes would be ez if suppression worked like it does in the tutorial

[teal cargo]

oh it doesnt?

[unkempt juniper]

have you tried it?

[teal cargo]

nope havent played the suppressing classses

[sonic root]

Not totally. Sometimes range guys just don't care and keep shooting you and walking around. Does seem a bit bugged

[native thorn]

any enemy gets suppressed by ranged fire i think

or well

ranged enemies

[teal cargo]

well i havent noticed it do anything from staffs

[native thorn]

but it doesn't always go through

[unkempt juniper]

suppression favors the enemies too much imo

[white badger]

That's the blessing I was talking about.

[unkempt juniper]

its too easy for the player to be suppressed and difficult to suppress enemies

[sonic root]

It's the same thing with melee where it feels like that being forced into melee kicks in but they just keep walking backwards and shooting your face

[native thorn]

don't you see enemy gunners go running if your first hit doesn't pop?

[untold kestrel]

what's considered close range?

[teal cargo]

hmmm yea sometimes

[cold plinth]

i have that in my sop trying to figure out if itsd good

[white badger]

Not sure 🙂

[teal cargo]

tyhey try and run behind cover

[native thorn]

yeah that's suppression on enemies

[unkempt juniper]

im talking about gun hordes, sure 2-3 will run but the rest stand and shoot back

[white badger]

I tend to sit right in the Ogryn's model and spam it while in melee

[untold kestrel]

i've been ignoring the close range suppression blessing, but if close range is actually like 30m then i'll reconsider

[urban dove]

Wait this might sound dumb but can Kenetic Flayer Proc Off of a Brain burst for a double BB ?

[native thorn]

oh I'm not saying it's working as intended atm, was just explaining what suppression on enemies is

[untold kestrel]

yes

[wide quest]

Yes, yes it can

[urban dove]

0.0

[unique oar]

usable?

[teal cargo]

When do you start doing Heresy?

[native thorn]

when you seek the emperor's judgement

[untold kestrel]

25+ imo

on psyker at least

[wide quest]

A bit low on the base stats, but yeah keep it mostly for the lacerate blessing. You definitely want lacerate on a knife. You could still use it though since the damage stat is actually pretty decent.

[teal cargo]

i see

[zinc patrol]

When do you start doing Manic? (level 3) :/

[warm flume]

thoughts ?

[native thorn]

fun fact btw

Assuming it's a bug

[cold plinth]

good?

[native thorn]

the stun grenade's tiny damage numbers can proc the instakill chance blessing on the catachan combat blade

saw it on reddit

[wide quest]

Definitely keep it

[untold kestrel]

15+ so the pug doesnt hate you

[icy harbor]

no

[warm flume]

thanks!

[unique oar]

pretty good, not amazing but usable

[native thorn]

For my first character I went up a difficulty level with every feat

Felt solid enough

[white badger]

Pugging, Weaz?

[icy harbor]

388 is pretty low for a purple

[native thorn]

yes

[white badger]

Wow

[icy harbor]

388 would even be low for a blue

[untold kestrel]

yeah 10 is fine for malice tbh, but if you're not confident in psyker yet wait till 15

[white badger]

I find PUG's pretty damned rough at IV

[native thorn]

to be fair I just hung back and focused on awareness and cc

[unique oar]

still usable if he doent have a better voidstaff

[native thorn]

surge gang

[white badger]

It's hard to find a group in quickplay that even stays in coherency

[clear heath]

You did damnation at level 20?

insanity

[native thorn]

it's a good thing surge stun lasts long enough to run away lmao

[white badger]

Heh

I'm not good enough to carry, so I've had a rough time in IV's

[devout axle]

Kinetic Barrage makes BB not feel completely awful to use, and that makes me sad.

[native thorn]

Might have been underperforming overall since I really wasn't doing too much damage

Only really climbed into melee with my FS at the time for really big bois

[tropic halo]

I'm thinking of forgoing the 4 percent warp charge for the reduced special cooldown in tier 3 for heresy and above

[native thorn]

other than that just psibolt potshots stuns and getting rid of peril

[tropic halo]

Been finding it more useful to be able to F more often and actually find a use for my BB at times

[wide quest]

I enjoy clutching with psyker compared to other classes.

[tropic halo]

and there's always elites and specials everywhere

[native thorn]

we clutch cooler imo

[tropic halo]

All in trade for like not being able to do an extra surge or two. I think it's a good idea, thoughts?

[white badger]

and what is your clutch loadout?

[devout axle]

I've found the extra CDR to be very helpful in Heresy runs.

[narrow haven]

I've been using Psykinetic Wrath talent at 30

Seems alright

[native thorn]

I mean I haven't clutched much lol, just saying it's cooler when psykers do it

[tropic halo]

I'm starting to think so too. been finding myself wanting my cooldown to be faster more than ever now

[devout axle]

Not only that, but its great since it gives the CDR to your allies too, when they get Elite kills.

[native thorn]

But mostly well timed stun saves

Nobody notices

but I know

[devout axle]

Nobody appreciates the Psyker save.

[narrow haven]

nice just as i was looking for a new surge staff to use

[devout axle]

They all notice

[tropic halo]

it's just so useful. knocks down everybody around you mostly. can be used often with quietitude for a toughness recovery that's instant. makes me more of a force in melee as well.

[devout axle]

But nobody says anything.

[white badger]

That is a very nice staff

[native thorn]

damn even got the terrifying barrage

[narrow haven]

I guess I should upgrade it?

[tropic halo]

and then since I can burst out the special more often, I can feel inclined to actually BB here and there

[narrow haven]

I've not upgraded a single thing since playing lol

[wide quest]

I haven't done a lot of damnation to get to a point where I have to clutch but since we're talking about quickplay, I used to run a bleed knife, moved onto mk v dueling sword, and currently mk v battle axe, along with the voidstrike staff.

[unkempt juniper]

i prefer the duelling swords mobility for clutching

[narrow haven]

What feats do you prefer to use with Surge?

[wide quest]

Those 3 melee weapons I've pretty much enjoyed a lot, oh and the force sword too since it can control hordes with the push/push attack

[native thorn]

lemme google quick, not in game atm

[narrow haven]

Ah thank you 🙂

[onyx urchin]

This is what I currently run for my surge if that helps.

[native thorn]

first one definitely quietude, preferably paired with a dueling sword or an axe if you prefer more single target damage.

Since your "damage time" is in melee you can spam stun then climb in with high peril

[long wharf]

I've started using the bottom of the first feat choices

[native thorn]

and you get free toughness as it bleeds away

[long wharf]

as I'm constantly quelling

[unique oar]

got this as mission reward lol

dueling swords any good?

[narrow haven]

ah i used dueling swords early and despised them lol

[tropic halo]

im personally a big fan of dueling sword

[narrow haven]

the warp charge attack one shot on armoured is whats been keeping me using it

[white badger]

Dark, some people really like them.

[wide quest]

I actually started to use that recently and have stuck it it since my build doesn't really have any use for warp charges, the most that it can bring to the table is 12% extra dmg but that is nothing compared to more CDR for the entire team.

[zinc patrol]

I’m only level 13 but I like dueling swords

[static epoch]

that's a great sword

[unique oar]

i really dont know what do use as melee on my psyker

i kinda hate the warp swords

[candid temple]

👀

[pine topaz]

Issue with duelling sword is if u get swarmed ur fked.... u cant utilise the long dodge

[wide quest]

Gib plez

[wide heron]

how we feeling about curios? Toughness vs Health or something else completely?

[static epoch]

use the mk5, you will be everywhere all at once

do damage anywhere you want to

[tropic halo]

with the mk5, we are speed.

[wide quest]

Hah, then I'll just spam push and dodge

[native thorn]

more fucked than your other melee options? it's got some of the best cleave

[white badger]

Picked this up at about level 20. It'll be hard to replace

[warm dagger]

is this worth it?

[unique oar]

i mean warp sword is kinda bad imo

if you are using a staff

[candid temple]

+2% what, Hadron? 2% what!?

[long wharf]

Shred is definitely a good blessing on that sword

[clear heath]

2%

[candid temple]

Bad why?

[wide quest]

I assume +2% weak spot dmg

[brave vale]

does the purge staff kills count as warp soulblaze

[warm dagger]

yea im just on the fence about it because of the low dmg roll

[white badger]

Peri, no

[unique oar]

idk i just dont like it

i hardly find myself swapping to warp sword

[candid temple]

🤔

[white badger]

Only Purgatus Staff damage is soulblaze

[long wharf]

I played with a dueling sword - it's fun to swing fast, but it's not good for multiple enemies

it's not a horde sword

[candid temple]

I mean, you don't run melee on psyker.

[wide quest]

I think someone said earlier that direct kill from the purg staff does work for the lvl 30 feat

[candid temple]

melee is too shore up whatever your staff is missing

[long wharf]

yes to both

[white badger]

Force Sword has better push than anything else, and a tremendous single-target charged attack. Awful, awful cleave, tho

[candid temple]

for me, that's unlimited dodge utility + crazy push + big burst with heavy specials.

[long wharf]

the purge staff's damage is a warp attack and soulblaze

[clear heath]

I miss the force sword push every time i switch characters
Also deflector exists

[haughty flame]

That heresy blowing yourself up penance is so cancer

I need to find 3 randoms willing to throw their game to let me kill them

But a scoreboard was toxic, wtf

[wide quest]

Whenever I use the force sword, I abuse the shit out of the push/push attack to the point it wants to file for divorce

[candid temple]

Yes.

It's stupid good.

[wide quest]

You can do it on malice too, yk

[candid temple]

But really, I melee maybe 10% of the time.

[long wharf]

no, the peril explode kill three specials/elites has to be done on Heresy

[wide quest]

And possibly find a premade team to help with the penance

[clear heath]

but it says malice

[ornate hamlet]

i dont think it does

i think its malice

[long wharf]

then that changed recently

[long wharf]

before release, it had to be on Heresy

[wide quest]

Oh?

[weary wasp]

Second push on force only works on one target from what I can tell, but it can put a crusher on his ass

[long wharf]

the wording didn't change

[wide quest]

What

[long wharf]

it's always said Malice, but people found it had to be on Heresy

[wide quest]

I literally did it on malice

Pre release

[median meteor]

this my current staff, kinda happy with it atm

[wide quest]

I thought it was only the warp battery penance that needed to be done on heresy

[white badger]

What is a "salvo" for staffs?

[long wharf]

Warp Battery, Monster one as well

[unique oar]

you guys preffer 6 warp charges or random brain burst?

[clear heath]

random brain burst

[wide heron]

random for the last 5 levels, 6 stacks at 30

[long wharf]

2 warp charges is 6% extra damage

[white badger]

Random BB. I have trouble maintaining even 4 charges sometimes

[mild lotus]

malleus monstronum too

[long wharf]

random BB helps get those stacks up

[clear heath]

Yeah but how are you getting 6 warp charges if you're not taking random brain burst?

[haughty flame]

can you?

[wide quest]

I mean as in being bugged

[nocturne stream]

random bb because fuck using bb

[median meteor]

random soulblaze for me

[wide quest]

You can, I've done that penance on malice with a team

[clear heath]

Don't tell me you guys actually brain burst 6 times

[haughty flame]

I love you

[long wharf]

random BB can also proc on using BB, which can help burn down bosses

[median meteor]

oh wait does the brainburst count for warp charges?

[long wharf]

that extra BB is worth more than 6% damage

[onyx urchin]

6 with Inner Tranquility (+6% peril res per charge) is really fun.

[white badger]

I don't spam BB. I think that's a bad use of time. I spam surge staff, and I rely on the two passive BB traits to get me charges

[long wharf]

BB is warp damage, yes

[clear heath]

yeah if it kills. just like a normal brain burst

[median meteor]

oh sweet, gonna swap to that then lmao

[urban dove]

Ive tested it I cant see Kenetic Flayer procing Off a BB

Who said it could

[long wharf]

I did, and I've seen it happen multiple times

[white badger]

I am gonna test that now

[wide quest]

It definitely can

[long wharf]

it 100% can

[wide quest]

I've seen it happen plenty of times

[mild lotus]

It can

happened to me more than once

[long wharf]

yep, it's very handy when it procs on an elite you otherwise wouldn't have killed with just one BB

[clear heath]

I've had it happen a few times

[wide quest]

Just test it out repeatedly on the hound if you want to try since hounds takes 2 bb to die on heresy+

[mild lotus]

any attack can procc kinetic flayer EXCEPT soulblaze's ticks

[long wharf]

I wish they redid that perk so that it was a % based on number of warp charges you have

[urban dove]

Im sitting in the Meat grinder at T5 and ONLY brain bursting and using the Kenetic Barage Plus Kenetic Flayer and i Have only seen one BB

per cast

for like the last 20 mins

[wide quest]

That shit saved me from hounds a couple of times when it did happen

[hardy leaf]

Newer psyker here. TF is this 50%? Didn't this used to be 100%?

[urban dove]

yes

[long wharf]

in the closed beta it was

[mild lotus]

Welcome to psyker's gameplay post nerf

[hallow wave]

Yikes

[long wharf]

they nerfed psyker hard since then

[white badger]

They nerfed a lot of things psyker at the end of beta, Spart

[hallow wave]

Lol imagine nerfing psyker now we are useless

[clear heath]

it changed to 50% since open beta

[wide quest]

The emperor doesn't deem you worthy then

[azure cave]

What else did they nerf?

[hardy leaf]

Well, I guess I'm going into this not knowing how much better it was lol. Thanks, guys.

[urban dove]

If anyone can get me a clip of you multi casting a BB id love you

[mild lotus]

bb used to 25% peril

now it's 45%

[median meteor]

ooooof game crashed rip

[mild lotus]

bb also used to stagger almost every enemies as soon as you started charging it on them

now you have to wait til about 60% of the charge to stagger

[long wharf]

BB used to be good

[bold maple]

BB used to be meh

[hallow wave]

19% at max stacks

[bold maple]

now it’s just bad

[urban dove]

till i see a clip i just dont believe Kenetic Flayer procs on a BB

[azure cave]

I haven't played much psyker yet but I've noticed it doesn't feel nearly as good as the beta

[long wharf]

good thing your belief means nothing in the face of reality

[native thorn]

Does deflection cancel your passive quelling like a force weapon special?

[median meteor]

BB feels much worse than it did in the beta

[glossy hemlock]

yea i didnt play psyker in the beta, but it def seemed to perform better than it does now

[native thorn]

psyker needs a lot to come online, never feels amazing early

[median meteor]

it just doesn't do much

[urban dove]

belief is everything in the eyes of the Emperor

[native thorn]

but yeah bb kinda underwhelming

[white badger]

Weazel, I don't understand your question. I do have deflection on my FSword

[urban dove]

Him on terra

[wide quest]

Welp, you better appease harder to RNGesus my dear sibling

[unkempt juniper]

for my Beloved

[trail forge]

does anyone know how to get the penance for keeping the max amount of warp charges up for 300 seconds in a single session because I feel like despite doing what it says, play on malice, keep on BBing stuff, keep warp charges at max 4+ etc nothing is actually triggering the penance

[native thorn]

Sorry I meant the deflection on block feat that builds peril

[zinc patrol]

They need to take the daemonhost ghost out of the game..

[hardy leaf]

Well, at least they improved this

[mild lotus]

doesn't work on malice

it's bugged

[native thorn]

does it cancel your passive quell?

[mild lotus]

play on heresy and above

[humble bluff]

I wish they make force greatswords for psykers

[long wharf]

300 seconds is 5 minutes, and it's a lot longer than you think it really is

[white badger]

Oh! No, the feat does not remove passive quelling. It's a very good feat

[trail forge]

I thought it didnt make sense why it wasnt working on malice

despite saying it should

[long wharf]

on Malice, doing Warp Battery requires your team to cooperate with you

[humble bluff]

I wonder did they tried to do it

[mild lotus]

welcome to psyker gameplay

[wide quest]

Woah woah woah, wtf

[mild lotus]

day and life

[trail forge]

so I basically have to screw my team on level 4 difficulty for five minutes?

[twilit path]

Are there any Curios that a Psyker should wear?

[hardy leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/ostrich-family-guy-ah-haa-gif-14314060

[mild lotus]

screw your team?

[azure cave]

How on earth are you supposed to do this without your teammates all going afk

[hallow wave]

Same with out with a bang

[mild lotus]

keeping up your charges isn't screwing your team in any way

more of a toll on yourself than on them

[long wharf]

except it does require your team to understand that you need the ones and twos that spawn between major engagements to keep your stacks up

[hardy leaf]

I tried it twice in the same map to help this one guy. We went on special, elite, and trash watch for 5 minutes each time while he eventually failed because of chip damage from who knows what. It takes teamwork, but boy is is boring.

[trail forge]

Brain blasting as a psyker on level 4 is hilariously not that efficient, doing it for a solid five minutes generally is actively putting nails in the tyres of my team mates whilst they carry my heavy ass

[mild lotus]

you ask them nicely and pray the beneficent emperor that they're on a good mood and that they don't forget when a boss does spawn in

[white badger]

I really don't think BB can proc Kinetic Flayer. Just cast 30 BB in the meatgrinder. Not one extra BB

[long wharf]

sigh

it 100% can

keep trying

[mild lotus]

I mean I did it and still was an asset to the team

psyker's gameplay as a whole is highly inefficient anyway

[teal cargo]

☠️

[long wharf]

I've seen it happen many times

to me

[wide quest]

I mean, you could still get that penance by just playing normally but the chances are a bit lower. Or, you could hop into a random damnation game because quickplay there is like a ghost town, and just sit at the starting point and brain burst enemies.

[cinder obsidian]

Man, I was thinking about BB, and how to make it less bad

[teal cargo]

damnation a ghost town?

[urban dove]

I promise you it cant

[twilit path]

Like going in with a Pub

[long wharf]

your empty promises mean nothing

[humble bluff]

force sword with the perk that prevents hordes from poising through block is good

[cinder obsidian]

What if it always 1-shot everything except the bosses, but had a different charge time based on the enemy type?

[glossy hemlock]

I feel like a decent improvement MIGHT be to reduce the amount of peril generated by BB and speed up its cast time. Might make it more legitimate in higher tier difficulties

[urban dove]

I have sat in the meat on t5 for 30 mins ONLY BB a Crusher not one multicast

[mild lotus]

several lvl 30 players here tell you it does

[wide quest]

You didn't pray to the emperor hard enough.

[cinder obsidian]

So basic gunners were fast, and ogryns would be longer?

[mild lotus]

so what do we do?

we battle royale it to see who's right?

[teal cargo]

👀

[trail forge]

I think if psyker had a bit more of a tool kit to swap around with brain blast I think psyker might be more interesting, like maybe the ability to give people the ability to see through walls by highlighting enemies...

[wide quest]

I'm very serious, bb can proc kinetic flayer.

[trail forge]

or other sort of utility spells

[urban dove]

GO TO THE MEAT GRINDER AND TEST IT YOUR SELF SIBLINGS IT DOESNT

lol

[long wharf]

I've done it

[glossy hemlock]

....im thinking of a number between 1 and 1000

[trail forge]

like maybe a blink spell instead of brain blast

[mild lotus]

no need for that because we tested it in a real game

[urban dove]

For all that is holy in the name of him on tera it doesnt

[mild lotus]

several times

[urban dove]

you got it to proc off something else

[clear heath]

Here
A single BB does ~900. This one randomly did 1800

[cinder obsidian]

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if BB was just one of a few spells you could pick from

[mild lotus]

no

literally not

[white badger]

Yeah, Atom.. I am at 60 casts now, no second BB. It does not proc on itself.

[wide quest]

I bet my whole fucking life it does proc

[cinder obsidian]

But I would also like soulblaze to have actual support

[clear heath]

I literally just posted a video of it proccing

[wide quest]

I am that sure.

[wide quest]

Thank thee heavens.

[tender cipher]

10% chance qq

[clear heath]

luck issue

[wide quest]

Luck issue, didn't appease the spirit machine hard enough.

[urban dove]

it doesnt look like a mutlicast tho

[cinder obsidian]

Man, if only the force sword’s special counted as a brain burst.

[clear heath]

If you have another explanation for how it did 1800 damage, let me know

[mild lotus]

sweet emperor, will you accept the truth sometime?

[clear heath]

This is on a damnation psykanium and they take 900 normally

[white badger]

I am in Heresy Meatgrinder. Casting at the carapace dude. I get either 835, or the occasional 1135.

1135 is not 2 BB's.

[queen galleon]

You did 1800 only because the Emperor willed it.

[mild lotus]

#psyker-class message

[cinder obsidian]

Can BB crit?

[mild lotus]

not that I'm aware

• crits are in yellow not orange

[clear heath]

Is that 1135 killing it? it doesn't show overkill damage

[austere carbon]

just started, is there a certain way to do things

[white badger]

Headshot Crits can be orange, I believe

[trail forge]

psyker could also do with getting a force axe as an option just so you have alternative force weapons to choose from, given psykers in 40k generally get access to either the force stave (blunt), the force axe (AP), and the force sword

[clear heath]

if it only has 1135 hp, it's not going to show more than that

[white badger]

Good pt, JS.. lemme check again

[wide quest]

Nah, it will always be yellow for crit

[clear heath]

just test on damnation so they actually have enough hp

[teal cargo]

you ever get annoyed by non armored gunners

[clear heath]

Honestly it feels so much worse than 10% when i actually want it to happen, but when i only want a single BB for testing shit...

[teal cargo]

that take forever to zap to death

[long wharf]

yeah, it doesn't show up as a second animation on your end

[wide quest]

Lmao I just instantly got a double bb on my first cast in psykanium

1650 on crusher

[trail forge]

also how to you do the penance where you knock people off ledges, what triggers that and do you have to do it all in a single mission?

[long wharf]

in-game, you hear a second pop

[white badger]

Json, I think yer right

[clear heath]

"let me see how long a bulwark staggers after a BB"
bulwark fucking dies from 10%

[long wharf]

in the psykanium, it's an instance effect that overlaps with your normal BB

[wide quest]

Luck issue

[mild lotus]

one push, 7 people down a chasm, you win

[white badger]

I was forgetting the lesser number on deathblows

[trail forge]

tried that didnt work

at least it didnt work a few days ago

[mild lotus]

you didn't push enough people then

[trail forge]

with the patches I dont know whats changed

[bleak sonnet]

you push 7 ppl in a hole

thats it

[mild lotus]

it only reduced the amount required of people being SPARTAAA

[cinder obsidian]

I want a two-handed force sword for cleave

[trail forge]

the 2h force sword is weirdly absent and we dont know why

along with many weapons

[errant stream]

do you mean the one in the trailer spotlight?

[white badger]

A lot of things are weirdly absent 😉

[trail forge]

like the game

[shadow quail]

I think they will come with crafting

Needs more microtransactions first

[cinder obsidian]

Unsure if that one is a force weapon, but I hope it is

[mild lotus]

I mean, it's pretty obvious it is to me as soon as you procc it with any other ranged weapon, you character isn't pulling out their hands to do a full cast of brain burst like that lol

[long wharf]

yep

[wide quest]

Like a bare chested cosmetic to show my psyker's magnificent chest hair

[ornate hamlet]

anyone know if you can get the pysker helmet from the character select screen

[long wharf]

the discrepancy is that in-mission, you can hear the double effect of BB popping

[mild lotus]

need that on ogryn

[long wharf]

in the psykanium, you only see the single BB effect but see double damage

[trail forge]

maybe but then again the Ogryn has cosmetics from the select screen you cant get yet

[cinder obsidian]

Like, I think I’ve seen a double BB, but I can’t confirm

[ornate hamlet]

damn ok

[shadow quail]

Never use it enough to see one

[clear heath]

yeah i swear i've heard the double bb happen before. Was surprised only being able to see the one when it procced in psykanium

[mild lotus]

dont worry sibling, we can

[urban dove]

it does

[cinder obsidian]

There isn’t often that getting a double BB is that helpful though

[urban dove]

i am sorry siblings i was wrong

[long wharf]

your heretical words have been appeased by your proper supplication, sibling

[native thorn]

Just spittballing, is the psykanium a local thing like the intro instead of being online? Difference could have something to do with that

[cinder obsidian]

And it happens so infrequently, it’s not something you can rely on

[urban dove]

it does randomly do double dammage which is the Brain burst criting

[long wharf]

it being entirely client-side could have something to do with it, yeah

[mild lotus]

bulwarks, flamers, bursters, hounds, etc... all those take 2 bbs to die in heresy and above

[clear heath]

You're not really relying on it, but it can be nice when it happens

[cobalt flicker]

do we go for +Max Health or +Wounds on our curios?

[urban dove]

yeah but with the 15 sec CD its not worth

[ornate hamlet]

this pick n mix is so frustrating

[cinder obsidian]

By the time you get one BB off they’ve either been shot enough that one is enough or dead before you finish casting

[urban dove]

its easier to just use 6 warp charges

[white badger]

Do you actually maintain 5+? I can't manage that

[cinder obsidian]

Theoretically it’s good, but in practice it’s rarely spectacular

[long wharf]

I don't go with 6 warp charges unless I'm using purge

[native thorn]

My thinking is that the server has to register the first bb to proc the second, making for a very small delay

[bleak sonnet]

i maintain 6

[cinder obsidian]

And you’re just as likely to have it happen on a basic gunner you’re using to maintain warp charges

[urban dove]

i never have any issues with holding 6

[long wharf]

because purge can reliably hit max stacks on a horde

[onyx urchin]

tbh, i sit in back so i build +toughness regen. Since I should rarely be getting hit by anything but ranged.

[mild lotus]

if you're trying to argue that the gameplay of psyker is highly inefficient and slow then welcome aboard, we've all been crying about that since pre-release.

[white badger]

If you are maintaining 6, do you cast BB manually a lot? On trash mobs?
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[cinder obsidian]

I am aware

[mild lotus]

also the feat is more useful as a tool to keep your charges up than to dish out dmg

[native thorn]

I mean not all the gameplay, just bb and passive imo

[onyx urchin]

This happens sometimes to help maintain it, yeah.

[urban dove]

depends if you do the Soulfire build plus the two talents that randomly give you warp charges

you never are below plus 6

[zinc patrol]

Does Kinetic Shield offer more than 33% damage reduction if you go up to 6 warp charges instead of 4?

[alpine grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-zHvAeWLBQ

[mild lotus]

which is all the psyker is about til you unlock 1 staff

[cinder obsidian]

I do wonder: is soulblaze damage good enough for the flame staff to be decent on bosses, or is our best option BB?

[mild lotus]

but even then, it's sad that half the gameplay feels so terrible

[white badger]

Best boss DPS is a charged force sword to the noggin.

[mild lotus]

flame staff and soulblaze aren't the same effect I'm afraid

[native thorn]

Tbf it's not just us

[long wharf]

soulblaze damage is straight garbage

[mild lotus]

another thing I can't understand

[native thorn]

Zealot charge feels garbage

[cinder obsidian]

I’m talking about beasts of nurgle and plague ogryns

[onyx urchin]

get max Damage over time stacks with flame staff, then BB if you don't have a good melee for it.

[native thorn]

Inferior to dwarf toss in every way

[urban dove]

If you get enough soul blaze stacks yes , Soulblaze seems to have no limit of stacks and a full charge Purge staff applys at least 6 stacks so 3 full charges is 18 stacks which does over 500 dammage per secon

[white badger]

Ah, against Beasts of Nurgle, yeah, I mostly clear trash and keep the veteran clean.

[cinder obsidian]

Alright, good to know

[onyx urchin]

Wait, I thought it capped at full charge?

[cinder obsidian]

I swore it was doing damage, but couldn’t be sure if it was me or my team burning it down

[urban dove]

there seems to be no limit to soulblaze stacks

[wide quest]

Everyone I saw has been saying it's capped

[cinder obsidian]

I just wish the soulblaze talents weren’t so bad

[stray cipher]

I think it's 'soft capped'

as in it falls off at a certain point, so the time it takes to full charge a 3rd time they start falling off

[native thorn]

It's annoying that they're dead talents if you don't use purg

[wide quest]

It definitely is at least soft capped

[cinder obsidian]

From what I could see, the stacks have an independent timer

[long wharf]

the soulblaze stacks falloff prettly quickly

so saying "there's no limit on stacks" doesn't matter

[cinder obsidian]

So if you apply a lot really fast they’ll fall off at around the same time

[long wharf]

you can't ever apply more than 5~6 stacks yourself

[cinder obsidian]

Instead of sequentially

[stray cipher]

If you go into the meat grinder you can spam full charges on one of the tanky ogryn and see that you'll eventually reach a point where the tick damage does not go up anymore

[native thorn]

Which I guess is where the talents might come in

[white badger]

So what do you folks favor on Curios?

[long wharf]

and anything that soulblaze can kill before a teammate can is resistant to soulblaze anyways

[mild lotus]

• toughness

[white badger]

Our base toughness is so small, tho

[mild lotus]

+1 wound

[clear heath]

toughness still great

[long wharf]

purge staff is strictly for wiping out hordes and using the primary attack to stagger enemies

[mild lotus]

yes but the first feats of the tree pair well with more toughness since it's % regen

[native thorn]

But +toughness increases restoration from the quell to toughness feat

You get to double dip on tankiness AND sustain

[clear heath]

yeah for main stats i ideally aim for +1 wound on one curio and toughness on the rest

[wide quest]

So you don't take chip dmg until your toughness drops below 100 right?

[native thorn]

Yep

[onyx urchin]

Honestly, similar to this is my preference.

[mild lotus]

also toughness is just better than health overall to me

[wide quest]

Aight

[clear heath]

playing on 2 wounds on heresy is too stressful lmao

[white badger]

Weazel, really? You're saying we quell more quickly?

[dim pier]

Below 100%, not below 100

[native thorn]

No no

[urban dove]

so in theory if i am at full warp and something dies and gives me another charge with kenetic overload thats plus 4 to something , then use the acendent blaze psykenetics wrath thats plus 4 more we are at plus 8 then use the purge staff max charge we are at plys 14 stacks of soulblaze

[wide quest]

Oh

[native thorn]

The feat restores %toughness based on your quelling

[mild lotus]

we just regen more toughness from quelling with the feat if you have bonus toughness

[native thorn]

^

[white badger]

Ah, ok

[mild lotus]

since it's 5% of your total toughnes for every 10% of peril quelled

[wide quest]

So I'm guessing we just get to 0 toughness much quicker without the curios

[fallow creek]

So close to 500 -.-

[mild lotus]

if you have 120 toughness, regenerating 5% of that it 6 toughness

compared to when you only have 100, which would be 5

[native thorn]

A full bar goes from 50 to 60 toughness restore

[wide quest]

Hmm, so you actually recharge toughness faster?

[mild lotus]

sort of

[native thorn]

Only if you have the perk

And you're quelling

[mild lotus]

more like more efficiently

[clear heath]

well all the sources of toughness gain are % based

you're gaining the same percentage per second but each percentage can tank more

[urban dove]

so do we all use quiettude as the first perk or do some thing the other two are better ?

[onyx urchin]

i focus on keeping charges so i use essence harvest (top feat)

[native thorn]

Quietude works best with a non power weapon, not sure I'd use it with force sword

[urban dove]

I think quietude carries me but what do you think

[mild lotus]

essence harvest is alright

[wide quest]

So toughness recharge would still be the same, but then toughness depletes much slower is what I'm getting?

[worthy wasp]

I use Essence Harvest because I use Antax Mk V, but if you run FS + Staff then Quietitude is an absolute no brainer

[viscid matrix]

pretty sure quietude just gives 1 toughness per 2% peril, i might be wrong tho

[young summit]

i use warp absorbton, and then spam the everliving heck out of voidstrike

[native thorn]

Nah, for every 10% peril you quell, you get 5% toughness back

[mild lotus]

5% for 10%

[young summit]

10% regen with constant 5-10 kills

[native thorn]

And that's 5% of however much toughness you have

[mild lotus]

if you have less than 10% peril you don't get any toughness back I think

[native thorn]

If you somehow had 200 you'd get 10 toughness per 10% peril

[wide quest]

OH wait nvm the toughness bar isn't a percentage bar lmao

Nvm those question

[mild lotus]

new Melk shop roll incoming siblings

[native thorn]

so yeah while +toughness% doesn't seem amazing with our low base

We double dip

[worthy wasp]

IMHO Quietitude is the best Toughness regen ability in the game, but you really gotta have double Force Weapon to make great use of it

[native thorn]

if you take the feat

[wide quest]

Or spam the shit out of surge

[native thorn]

not necessarily

Yeah that

[mild lotus]

even with just a staff, it doesn't take long to switch to it and start quelling

[native thorn]

spam the shit out of surge and wade in with a full healthbar and a dueling sword

[wide quest]

Which only takes 5 quick secondary attack to reach 96, for my staff at least

[clear heath]

pretty much every class wants more toughness. every other source of toughness regen is percentage based anyways

[ornate hamlet]

After finishing all my psyker penances all last* night I felt like a man in his 80s realizing his life span is short now

[urban dove]

does anyone this Quicken is good ? the first one in the last row that lowers CD for each Warp charge consumed ?

[viscid matrix]

not really, id rather keep the charges tbh

[wide quest]

I used to run hp and wound on my curios when chip dmg was a thing at full toughness

[native thorn]

don't you have to avoid using any of the force part though? if you charge it or shove attack it costs peril so it stops auto clearing

[haughty flame]

Going out with a bang, anyone got any tips for this?

[mild lotus]

I have a curio giving me +20% toughness and +4% hp

[ornate hamlet]

I genuinely don't recommend it but it isn't bad if you do micro management I usually use the faster to charge BB and less cast value one since it gives my utility more power.

[worthy wasp]

We dont generate enough Warp consistently for it to be good.

AB for Purg builds, and everyone else should grab Kinetic Barrage

[mild lotus]

it was a gift from big E

[haughty flame]

I was thinking a malice, low horde special so theres more specials and just getting lucky

[wide quest]

A group of ragers is your best bet since they usually spawn in groups of 3-4

[viscid matrix]

your explosion does 600 damage at the epicenter and 200 further away

[clear heath]

I could imagine Quicken being fun for some meme toughness regen build where you just spam peril and ults to quickly gain toughness back with Quietude.

[mild lotus]

new roll dropped sibllings, boot up the game

[haughty flame]

pretty much all the smaller specials die close range from that then right?

Man I wish these penances werent so cancer to do

[urban dove]

new roll ?

[mild lotus]

shops refreshed

[haughty flame]

"hey team please dont kill anything while i blow myself up for a penance"

[native thorn]

psyker fan discord called siblings when

[long wharf]

what I really want to see is a purge staff that rolls the blessing where a crit adds 1~2 stacks of soulblaze

[clear heath]

I'm probably the only one who managed to get that explosion penance by accident

bad peril management saved me some trouble

[wide quest]

Best thing to do in quickplay matches is to ask people not to kill a group of 3-4 ragers

[mild lotus]

I hate that old man...

[native thorn]

I have yet to explode

[stray cipher]

Is that even possible? From what I was seeing online the blazing soul blessing is only on voidstrike and trauma?

[tropic halo]

ya'll can ask for help in here too

[clear heath]

I panicked because we were swarmed by elites

and then i blew up

[tropic halo]

I like to help out people trying to get their penances

[long wharf]

where did you see that online?

[onyx urchin]

At this rate I'll never buy anything from melk

[worthy wasp]

I'm curious how much Soul Blaze a Surge Staff can rack up with the "Gain Crit based on Peril" and "Soul Blaze on crit" traits

[mild lotus]

show us the sword

[stray cipher]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits?type=d6675911-c4a6-44e8-a51b-f4b795e0bef5

[long wharf]

yeah, the problem with soulblaze is getting the stacks up high

[haughty flame]

poggers

[long wharf]

I have a force sword with Blazing Spirit

[clear heath]

no deflector
basically trash

[mild lotus]

yeah not great indeed

[worthy wasp]

W/O deflector I highly recommend trying Antax MkV

[long wharf]

well that makes me sad, then

[worthy wasp]

If you havent already

Use the push attack

[stray cipher]

I mean, the copium is that it's just an incomplete list...

[worthy wasp]

Its pog

[gray kelp]

thank you melk, very useful very cool

[trail forge]

is the cliff hanger penance also bugged in that it isnt completed on malice but level 4?

[long wharf]

that damage is chef's kiss

[native thorn]

Force rebar

[gray kelp]

the blessings counteract eachother lol

[native thorn]

got no edge lmao

[tropic halo]

we don't need no damage where we're goin

[mild lotus]

force sword, more like weak sword

[urban dove]

"Force Mace"

[clear heath]

wait i just noticed the 23% damage

lmao

[urban dove]

blunt

[tropic halo]

it's a force dildo

[wide quest]

It is forcibly weak

[trail forge]

melk basically found a piece of scrap metal out back and strapped a psyker ward crystal to it

[mild lotus]

force pool noodle

[native thorn]

suggest sword

No forcing here

[tropic halo]

it's a force pipe

[urban dove]

LOL

[teal cargo]

😆

[trail forge]

next he will be giving us a force 2 by 4 with a nail through one end

[native thorn]

Best bet is trying to reason with the beast of nurgle, really

[tropic halo]

all the beast of nurgle want to do is play tbh it's why it eats you.

[mild lotus]

force construction material

[long wharf]

well now, here we go

[teal cargo]

I👀

[trail forge]

force DIY.

[icy harbor]

yessss, I just got the MK V axe as a white 368

[tropic halo]

🤣

[teal cargo]

Time for some fire?

[clear heath]

So what's everyone's best sword?

or whatever melee wep you guys use

[long wharf]

I'm currently using

[trail forge]

My swords have all been collectively crap

[icy harbor]

currently my 377 base stat sword xD

[trail forge]

we really need a force axe

[static epoch]

my 380 chainsword xd

[gray kelp]

probably this, if warp res doesnt affect kinetic deflector peril gain

[long wharf]

my issue with purge is that outside of wiping out a horde, you really feel weak the rest of the mission, if you don't go hunting with your melee weapon

[clear heath]

oh nice

[teal cargo]

But you good at wiping out hordes and all

[wide quest]

If only the damage stat wasn't so low

[teal cargo]

But pretty helpless vs tons of gunners

[trail forge]

about penances is the cliffhanger penance bugged like the warp battery or can I actually complete it on malice?

[long wharf]

a good ogryn, vet, or zealot can deal with a horde just fine

[mild lotus]

Ah yes, the catachan combat butter knife

[gray kelp]

did warp battery on malice yesterday, you should be good to go

[long wharf]

having absolutely zero "reach out and touch someone" feels really bad

[wide quest]

But that would be like just a few extra measly dmg on light attack, and 20 more dmg on heavy attack

[long wharf]

just another reason why void is so much better than purge

[urban dove]

Ive Kinda been Playing around with some stuff and like I love my Purge for the Hoard Wave Clear so ive been trying to find a reason to use the Other feats to fix the issue of dealing with other stuff

[onyx urchin]

cliffhanger was able to be done on malice in open beta. I got it done there.

[clear heath]

I was lucky enough to roll deflector on this from crafting

[native thorn]

but muh stun poofs

[long wharf]

you can do the same with void 🙂

[native thorn]

the red fart of stagger

[worthy wasp]

Amazing sword, esp to pair with Purg

[urban dove]

i would quite litteraly suck you off for that sword , In the name of the emperor of course

[native thorn]

the codex astartes does not cover this, help

[urban dove]

LOL

[stuck bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/vAe4J93.jpeg

this is not worth it correct?

[long wharf]

it's in the addendum, under Q, for Quid Pro Quo

[indigo cypress]

Is this good, and can I proc the 10% BB with bleed?

[urban dove]

and wait that sword can go to ten stacks of soulblaze ? didnt we say early that its hard to go above 6 stacks