psyker-class

[elfin iron]

sick

[radiant jolt]

Bellend

[main jay]

HERESY

[unkempt juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[worthy wasp]

Ogryn chat is chill af

Vet chat is a bunch of cod players

Zealot chat attracts the degenerates of the community

Psyker chat had a bunch of dudes that love talking about and comparing the size of their staffs

[jovial frigate]

level 10 psyker spams discord after using trauma staff

[zenith fox]

imagine having to show that you blocked someone

[eager nexus]

Frequenting 4chan for conversation explains a lot about how your social skills are the way they are.

[zenith fox]

ogryn chat is best chat ngl

[tepid nest]

Yo, what's your staff size homie?

[zenith fox]

mines like

idk

[elfin iron]

Force staves a shit

[late crater]

Is it just me or is there like never any forceswords up for sale

[wide quest]

These are truly the end times

[zenith fox]

we dont get anything to measure with in here

[pure rapids]

like that big

[tepid nest]

Mines bigger

[pure rapids]

y'know dat big

[unkempt juniper]

for the record, this is the void staff im using

[zenith fox]

rnjesus

[pine iris]

"staffs are underpowered" I want to see the staff stats so I know if it's the staff or they haven't tried hard enough

[worthy wasp]

That blast radius lol

[radiant jolt]

Staff is |------x----| this big

[elfin iron]

375 was the base stat, thats about all i remember

[haughty flame]

I miss leaderboards

[unkempt juniper]

its not required

[pure rapids]

boo bad blast radius

[dusty mirage]

I just found my first at lvl 19, go and craft one

[worthy wasp]

Smol pp

[elfin iron]

and i still felt like i wasnt doing anything good

[pure rapids]

won't see that on my purg staff

[unkempt juniper]

blast radius does almost nothing for void staff, its all about the penetration

[main jay]

psyker does need some dev love, but staffs ain't what need it lul

[elfin iron]

recon las kill more

kill = good

[pine iris]

under 400 is not a good staff over level 2

[magic hull]

when he got big balls but tiny pp

so sad

[main jay]

u forsake all CC tho and CC is king in high diff

[noble garden]

Beatiful analogy, I am in tears

[elfin iron]

my sword do all the cc tho

[worn jewel]

Wouldn't this be big pp but tiny balls

[magic hull]

nah bro shits microscopic

[tepid nest]

What sword?

[elfin iron]

Force sword, ofc

[magic hull]

mf cant blast for shit

[sage yacht]

Dudes getting carried by his friends thinking it's his las gun

[unkempt juniper]

was using this gun in damnation with the bb on hit feat and it takes too long to kill most things for my taste, i went back to voidstrike

[worn jewel]

Exactly so his balls doesnt have enuff fuel to blast

[icy harbor]

not even close to the same capacity as the staffs

[worthy wasp]

Psyker = 11/10

Psykinetic Class = 2/10 (I gave em 2 points for the peril=block talent)

[worn jewel]

[runic gate]

Best melee weapon? GO

[elfin iron]

and my las kill more than staffs so uh

[sage yacht]

recon las gun

[pine iris]

When I play psyker wrong by trying to play one style in every match it doesn't go well. Psyker stinks

[icy harbor]

cap

[elfin iron]

staffs a shit, y'all just really wish they aint and cant see the TRUTH

[jovial frigate]

i found one bois

[tepid nest]

Make a vet?

[jovial frigate]

pray 4 me

[tepid nest]

No

[jovial frigate]

pls

[worn jewel]

Its ok. The fact that psykinetic is bad means that the inevitable PAID Biomancer will be good.

[elfin iron]

no because force sword also i can play how i want?

[tepid nest]

Ok

[worthy wasp]

Exactly

[pure rapids]

you gon' get fucked by lootcifer

[primal aurora]

show us the result

[radiant jolt]

I did use a recon las while leveling an it was pretty fun but have been having more fun on the higher difficulties with the staves

[magic hull]

staff > lasgun

xd

[elfin iron]

me>you

sorry

[jovial frigate]

i dont even have enough plastic to upgrade it because this is my 5th voidstrike today

[worthy wasp]

The fact Psyker does well even tho Psykinetic is ass bodes well for the future

[magic hull]

who?

[jovial frigate]

I'll check in when im actually playing later

[main jay]

how big is my staff

[icy harbor]

ehhh

not that good

[worn jewel]

Small balls blast radius

[tepid nest]

It just seems like youre playing the Psyker like you would a vet. As you said earlier, you play to be optimal, not to have fun. So I am now left confused

[radiant jolt]

Smol

[worthy wasp]

That right there is a staff

[pure rapids]

big pp but slow and no balls

[eager nexus]

323 base stat isn't great but it's pretty decent

[pine iris]

nice roll, the quell speed is slow

[main jay]

[worthy wasp]

Girth like a can of campbells chicken noodle soup

[icy harbor]

at least 80% dmg

[magic hull]

big pp big balls but last 2 seconds in bed (quell speed)

[worthy wasp]

Down with the thiccness

[noble garden]

My staff has the quell peril on weakspot hit so it can go on all night :3

[pine iris]

but it's entirely numb

[radiant jolt]

"You know I read an article that the average staff size is actually 340 guys"

[runic gate]

Damn that's nice. What staff you running @icy harbor

[worn jewel]

But then you dont have the power to barrage or inflict critical hits. Might as well use a stick

[noble garden]

To be honest i just use it for hordes and pull out the force sword for anything bigger. Gives a nice serotonin shot though to blast fireballs

[runic gate]

yall need quell on Voidstrike? Sheeit

[pure rapids]

shieeeet that's all you have to say

[noble garden]

"All staffs are beatiful in their own ways, even trauma staffs"

[elfin iron]

except i use random BB, the soulflame ult feat, and my force sword a LOT.

[runic gate]

JK I'm about that quell speed. Rate my staff boys.

[elfin iron]

Vet aint got that

[runic gate]

460, big crit, big quell /flex.

[radiant jolt]

national average

[worn jewel]

Except trauma staves; they inflict trauma on your teammates

[runic gate]

pyp

[elfin iron]

But with recon las i can kill most of a horde, get way more random charges, help deal with moving targets, never deal with perils, and put out more DPS

[pine iris]

You have to wait a while for your bowling balls to come back up. (charge rate issue)

[magic hull]

post nut clarity at 53% average.

[worthy wasp]

That damage value is...... nice

[elfin iron]

Force Staves don't make the class, even though people here seem to think being a psyker means force stave
(if that were the case, we wouldnt have access to any guns)

[noble garden]

Wdym standing still for 3 seconds to unleash a wet fart in a small circle is great

[worn jewel]

The difference between 50% and 80% is like 0.4 seconds lol. Charge rate is worthless

[pine iris]

Says the loyalist

[runic gate]

/flex

[pine iris]

😉

[worthy wasp]

.4 is huge

[worn jewel]

Trust me I am loyal. I would never lead you astray.

[tepid nest]

I think you just did an awful job of explaining how you play and came in way too hot. I can see that working, but I don't think it's the only and best option for everyone.

[nocturne nimbus]

Greetings fellow psykers :) After using the Voidstrike and Purgatus staves for a while, I'm trying to pick up the Surge staff. I've heard it's more based on crowd control than damage or clearing. Are there any tips or tricks to using it? Or some advice big users of the staff have for a new user?

[worn jewel]

I'll meet you in the middle. It depends on the staff.

[south spruce]

Has anyone completed Pick n' Mix recently? Mine displays 0/5 no matter what i try to do.

[worthy wasp]

Wait, we arent talking about pp?

[worn jewel]

Same thing mate; always was.

[pine iris]

award winning bad take

[tepid nest]

No, we measure staff size now.

[noble garden]

Don't charge it, even at low charge it has great CC

[pure rapids]

when you use surge staff, just hold right click, left click then release right click

[elfin iron]

I think people here instantly attacked me for my first point which is that the recon las needs a nerf or the staves could do with better DPS
Because people here equate psyker to force staves, even though its not the core of the class

[ornate hamlet]

that damage sheeesh

[worn jewel]

Don't charge. Just build it up for a quick release. Repeated quick releases.

[keen mountain]

Hi, just played 20 min psyker before the game gave out and kicked me, I am having trouble understanding the basic ability when you press "G". How exactly does it work? seems rather weak when you target mobs, but even vs stronger enemies it seems ok-ish at best because it takes long to load and if you misclick nothing seems to happen... do you have to wait till its full charged till you can get anything done?

[radiant jolt]

When you charge the surge staff and then left click to use the charged attack, just hit the button once instead of holding it, because holding it will make you explode more easily if you'r ehitting 100% peril during the charged attack

[tepid nest]

Your points came across as being superior, and the point was lost.

[worthy wasp]

No

[wise ruin]

what yall think?

[pure rapids]

you're coming into a Psyker sub forum where most people play the class for the staves and you're bascially calling us stupid for not being "efficient"

[tall meteor]

After using flame staff for awhile (on malice) it's pretty good. Stagger enemies with light attack and melee. Hordes = stream attack.

[magic hull]

idk what to feel about this one boss

[noble garden]

Zapping people was fun at first but it gets a bit tiring being the CC slave on diff 4-5

[elfin iron]

This whole channel comes across as superior, shitting on me for daring to not use a stave

[worthy wasp]

Dafuq.

Dude said staffs were underpowered and needed a buff lol

[worn jewel]

You attack the pp, of course you must die.

[magic hull]

yes

[jovial frigate]

why would you nerf recon las when it's worse than staves

[pure rapids]

you came in saying that the recon las gun is superior first

[worthy wasp]

Ignore literally everything else thats been said, the dude legitimately believes that staffs are all underpowered and need buffs

[elfin iron]

So yeah i have no interest in arguing in good faith here

[nocturne nimbus]

@noble garden @worn jewel Alright, so quick charge is better, got it. Does charging the right click increase the damage / number of enemies hit / something else?
@pure rapids @radiant jolt Oh that's good to know! I exploded a few times using the staff, it's great to have a trick to avoid exploding when I see I reached 100% during the cast. Thanks!

[tepid nest]

No, I don't use a staff sometimes and wasn't attacked for it. Again, it's the way it was said. Except for maybe @magic hull now lol

[native thorn]

I think it'd be a really neat change if brain burst cast time(not cost) scaled lower for weaker enemies. It still wouldn't be "optimal" given the quelling cost but it would make maintaining stacks a little easier without all the feats. It even makes sense, I doubt baseline cultists have the strongest of wills

[elfin iron]

because i think it is

I got attacked 3 messages in

[jovial frigate]

yeah but all ur math aint mathing

[pure rapids]

yea and you'll get shit on for it

[pine iris]

handsome pp, doesn't work

[sage yacht]

there's no math

[elfin iron]

I gave up trying to discuss anything

[sage yacht]

THERE'S NO MATH FOR ANY OF THIS

IT'S JUST WORDS

[worn jewel]

Increase damage yes. Number of enemies is fixed. But the dmg isn't worth the peril cost. Even with minimum charge; damage comes from your crits.

[olive ember]

holy shit what did I come back to

[native thorn]

Words based on math

[jovial frigate]

staff = big bar recon las = little bar

[magic hull]

yes staff is meta

[nocturne nimbus]

Alright, thanks a lot! :)

[tepid nest]

Ok, I'm trying to explain why you were attacked so that you can discuss it.

[elfin iron]

Staff is meta because you people really want it to be meta

[subtle magnet]

Hi guys. Zealot stopping by to learn more about my psyker bros. Does your brain blast not work on mini bosses? I see you guys deleting specials all the time, but I feel like in squads with multiple psykers mini bosses can take quite a while to go down and I was curious about this

[sage yacht]

what do you mean you people

are you even a psyker

[elfin iron]

fuck that, i got hit with toxic shit

[magic hull]

yes

[elfin iron]

I aint here to discuss shit, now i'm here to just argue and vent

[worn jewel]

BB works on mini-bosses. But it just tickles them on higher difficulties.

[olive ember]

force sword, bb is good sustained damage on bosses but if theres an opening force sword special charge and then heavy attack

[tepid nest]

Ok. I'm giving up, gl.

[elfin iron]

staves suck ass

[night marten]

purge staff gang

[pine iris]

Cryptic Coke definitely makes the face in his profile pic every time he speaks

I hear the mouth turn

[noble garden]

I hope it all works out for you in the end mate

[elfin iron]

if anyone wants to discuss anything they can message me

[magic hull]

yes unlike u, u didnt get to suck any

[native thorn]

It does work but the damage kinda doesn't scale too well with higher difficulty levels. You reach a breakpoint where just staff blasting is gonna be faster if the brain burst can't one shot

[magic hull]

life of virgin lasgunner

[jovial frigate]

yeah how many dollars are vets paying you to shill recon lasgun in here

[pure rapids]

when you charge the surge staff watch the animation, when your left hand does a gripping motion towards you that's when the lightning blast ends, and when that motion ends, if you're still holding down right click you'll charge up again

[elfin iron]

Darktide may already have one of the worst fanbases i;ve ever seen

[magic hull]

no u r

[elfin iron]

its already a clique

[radiant jolt]

If we draw the staves as chad and the lasguns as soyjack we will be even more correct

[young summit]

Using a recon lasgun and a duelling sword with my psyker, absolutely minces everything non armoured, and then i just BB the heavily armoured ones.

[sage yacht]

oh ease the fuck up chief

[subtle magnet]

I see, thanks for the answers friends

[dapper bay]

Well it is a 40k game...

[noble garden]

Big Vet is turning the ogryns gay

[elfin iron]

40k tabletop aint even toxic

[worn jewel]

Welcome to internet, son. I hope you enjoy your stay.

[nocturne nimbus]

@pure rapids Oh nice! Thanks :)

[pine iris]

"what community is better? I'm not at my pc right now to tell you

[native thorn]

lmao you're in the wrong place this discord server is largely a hatebase

[elfin iron]

w/e, done, y'all can hit my dms if you want to keep being like this

[tepid nest]

I tried guys. Anyways, there is a interesting discussion to be had here about guns vs staves when Coke is offline. I think there is some validity in the argument for certain play styles. I'll bring it up tonight 🙂

[magic hull]

ok

[pure rapids]

once you get used to that animation you can very easily stop blowing up while using the staff

[subtle magnet]

Most of the people I've played with have been great. I haven't had any problems with the community, I just don't engage in the negative conversations

[umbral field]

bro you can in here claiming guns were better than staves whithout knowing your shit, and now you're crying

[native thorn]

My main issue is if you're using guns instead of providing what other classes can't then just play vet lol

[magic hull]

u hurt his feeling he love his lasgun man

[native thorn]

What you even psykin for? Force sword?

[dapper bay]

Staves are unfun AF to use though, for real

[native thorn]

nah I love em

[dapper bay]

Outside of the "good or bad" spectrum

[nocturne nimbus]

Yeah, the "release left click to avoid bursting" tip sounds insanely useful. Every time I exploded, it was before I saw I reached 100% before the hand gripping motion, and I knew I was going to explode; being able to cancel that will be a godsend

[native thorn]

but I loved sienna in vermintide too

[magic hull]

no

[jovial frigate]

well he can stick it in his ass and pull the trigger cus my ass is too full of voidstrikes

[haughty flame]

bellend

[radiant jolt]

I'm playing psyker exclusively for the drip

[noble garden]

Tbf force sword is hot, shame we didn't get the 2handed variant on launch

[native thorn]

Fatshark has probably my favorite implementation of casters without making you mana limited or something along those lines

[pure rapids]

oh the entire animation plays after you tap the left click btw, so after you've charged up and left clicked, you can let go of either buttons

[olive ember]

people saying that teh "2h variant" might just be the heavy sword on zealot

[fresh reef]

Voidbeads

[olive ember]

which sucks

[magic hull]

zealot got the drip too ngl

[noble garden]

I know right, can't play veteran with his bling necklace on his drip so psyker is the best choice

[radiant jolt]

Tubes > Scriptures

[native thorn]

Zealot also got skulls for his throne

[dapper bay]

the correct meta

[noble garden]

oh no

[jovial frigate]

and it's got salvo rolled

[nocturne nimbus]

Wait, there's gonna be a 2H force sword?? :O

[south spruce]

Has anyone completed Pick n' Mix recently? Mine displays 0/5 no matter what i try to do.

[dim pier]

Look at the Psyker trailer, there's 2 missing melee weapons

[tepid nest]

Melee psyker on the horizon.

[wide quest]

There's a bug with the display I heard

[native thorn]

I just quickplay because I'm an ogryn irl and anything else is too complicated

[nocturne nimbus]

I haven't looked at it in a while, that's sick if we get more force melee weapons

[olive ember]

Thats the problem, is that peopel are saying that the 2h weapon is just a friggun heavy sword

[worn jewel]

The 2h in the trailer is the heavy sword though

[honest geyser]

do 2h force swords even exist in universe?

[olive ember]

that they gave to zealot yeah

[honest geyser]

give me a force halberd instead

[wet gust]

Lightning staff is the best one for T4+ ?

[dim pier]

Wait it is? REEEE

[worn jewel]

But the icon for a 2h force sword has been datamined since beta 1

[dim pier]

1 missing melee weapon

[dapper bay]

force recon lasgun

[worthy wasp]

Or void, ye

[dapper bay]

shoot lasers but with VOIDPOWERS

[fresh reef]

Wheeze

[pure rapids]

you're gonna give that Coke guy a hard on

[noble garden]

force power sword incoming?

[worn jewel]

You want the biggest trangression?

[wet gust]

Thanks

[olive ember]

force boltgun

[dim pier]

?

[worn jewel]

Power sword was OURS. OURSSS

[nocturne nimbus]

Yooo what

[dim pier]

THE VETERANS STOLE OUR POWER SWORD

[radiant jolt]

I love the bigfoot-esque nature of these photos

[worn jewel]

they took it and gave it to the monke veterans

[dim pier]

We're starting a civil war.

[native thorn]

Did you see it? Over in the corner...

[honest geyser]

Rolled this, can purg staff even crit?

[pure rapids]

no it's in THAT corner

[radiant jolt]

It can crit, yes

[dim pier]

It can, but the DoT can't I'm pretty sure?

[wet gust]

Is that the flamer one?

[night marten]

that's a great roll, should upgrade for sure

[honest geyser]

that's the flamer, yeah

[south spruce]

One more reason not to pick up downed veterans

[pine iris]

turkey just try it. left click a lot and take out range with BB. your team will think you're sponsored. run the soul blaze on F feat

[honest geyser]

I feel naked without my ranged left click

[pure rapids]

oh my

[native thorn]

Can we all at least agree ze german is the best psyker

[noble garden]

Ah the retina burner build

[pure rapids]

french lady

[prisma minnow]

what's everyone's thoughts on a psyker running recon las? does it just become a competition with others for ammo at the higher levels ? are the builds with it good for what we give up on our utility?

[worn jewel]

My beloved disagrees

[noble garden]

My beloved says otherwise

[tall meteor]

I wish I chose the seer voice.. but german is good.

[native thorn]

I will clarify I didn't check fem psyker voices

and don't seem to hear many ingame

[pine iris]

Fun while leveling, you'll eventually like staves better

[jovial frigate]

barberchirugeon that cant even change vocal coords

[pure rapids]

it has its uses in terms of damage but lacks CC and needs ammo

so you'll be fighting with Vets for ammo

[native thorn]

Also if you're playing german and your psyker's face doesn't look like a hobo you're doing it wrong

[pine iris]

disagree re: CC, aim high

[prisma minnow]

ya, I feel like if I want to shoot things I should just play vet.

[worn jewel]

its decent. But do you want to compete with two angry veterans for ammo?

[sage barn]

@elfin iron its fair to have an opinion. It sounds like you have personal vendetta with the psyker. Your hate emanates from a skill issue. Play another character and enjoy.

[prisma minnow]

no not at all lol

[clear delta]

Anyone had any luck anywhere particular with the pick n mix penance? Only one I need and it's a pain

[wide quest]

It's better to focus on cc and other stuff so you can let your vet focus on dealing more dmg than you wish you could as a psyker

[native thorn]

No other class can get yeeted onto a pillar by a mutie and abuse it to chain stun hordes for hte homies

Staves good

[elfin iron]

Except i don't.
I have an issue with the recon las doing the same job but better (imo)
i run damnations only now, skill aint a thing (no, i dont go down)
Other characters dont have the force sword

[pure rapids]

it's bugged rn or something

[pine iris]

in-bad-faith-arguer confirmed

[elfin iron]

whats bad faith about what i just said?

[native thorn]

I haven't used it, does recon las stun?

[elfin iron]

no, thats why i run a force sword with it

[native thorn]

or stagger I guess

[elfin iron]

it can stagger on headshots

[native thorn]

So how the hell does it do the same job but better

Half the point of staves is ez cc

from far away

[elfin iron]

fine, not same job

but it kills more and force sword does cc

[frosty helm]

how tf do you play this class early on? feels impossible

[pine iris]

@elfin iron stream a damnation match whenever you're around. ping me

[elfin iron]

anyway i aint getting pulled back into this discord, toxic ass

[night marten]

abuse BB one-shotting everything , survive til you get trauma staff

[tall meteor]

Except you don't need a las when the vet and zealot already cover it.

[elfin iron]

no i dont think i will

[pure rapids]

you play like a Vet with a las gun first

then once you start gettings staves, you shit the bed

[native thorn]

this is probably why people called it a bad faith argument. You're comparing apples to lemons and saying apples are better because they're sweeter

[elfin iron]

wow why even play psyker then smh

[jovial frigate]

t. deluded vet trying to get psykers to be bad vets

[elfin iron]

dont play vet, dont even have a vet

[frosty helm]

thats what im saying lmao

[jovial frigate]

you should

[elfin iron]

No i like the force sword and his ult 🙂

[frosty helm]

0-30 on every other class felt sooooo good, but psyker is kicking my ass

[jovial frigate]

just get a power sword and stop telling us your bad takes

[elfin iron]

yeah but force sword is great for cc so

[pure rapids]

cause you don't get staves at low levels

[native thorn]

For me it mostly picked up at 8

[solar loom]

Why the hell was Rending Shockwave moved to only the Trauma staff, the shiddest of all the force staves?

[polar fractal]

so i just did the going out with a bang penance solo on damnation difficulty. Now i can rest easy

[native thorn]

Lightning staff makes you feel like you have an actual role

[pine iris]

@frosty helm what level are you? low level psyker is hard

[frosty helm]

just hit 9

[wide quest]

What has the warp ever done to you

[polar fractal]

not enough to pester actual people with a penance made to legit grief people

[elfin iron]

The only thing i really have issue with now is y'all saying that the psyker NEEDS a staff, thats silly

[pine iris]

keep at it, keep an eye out for a recon lasgun to get you through to staves from here

[native thorn]

try lightning staff with force sword. Force sword for big donkin and you do headpops + cc for the homies with lightnign staff

I should clarify

[sage barn]

@elfin iron Staff=0 ammo every other character needs ammo. Why not use the staff as support?

[native thorn]

I mean headshots with the psybolt

[solar loom]

I got big bang yesterday, it was pure luck that I found an opportunity to do it. Definitely a stupid pennance.

[frosty helm]

does force sword have any hoard clear? didnt really enjoy it whatsoever because of that exact reason

[elfin iron]

cus my sword does cc and i dont need to micro manage perils

[frosty helm]

when do you even unlock lightning staff

[native thorn]

I mean the level 8 staff

[pure rapids]

force sword has shit horde clear but good single target

[native thorn]

forgot name

[pine iris]

late, 20s I think

[night marten]

not really. it's serviceable, but you need a different option

[wide quest]

Horde control, yes. Horde clear, no.

[elfin iron]

Sword controls hordes super well

[native thorn]

Stun em all with chain lightning. let the homies reap death

Though that does rely on teammates capitalizing

[tall meteor]

Does a psyker need one? Yes, kind of. You're a more well-rounded team member who can address a number of enemies. BB for elites and priority targets, staff for cc, obviously.

[jovial frigate]

ah yes we went from vet psyker to zealot psyker

[sage barn]

@elfin iron yeah, obviously so do the electric and flame staff with proper team support.

[faint sigil]

Light attacks + dodging + force push is decent for hordes. It's no flamer, but we do what we must

[jovial frigate]

ranged control is 2/3 the reason u bring a psyker lol or am i bugging

[icy harbor]

i don't think you havbe actually played higher difficulties

[elfin iron]

yeah but i can adress a number of enemies with the sword, BB at 4-5 diff isnt worth it, CC is handled by sword again, or ult, and my lasgun can kill a ton of horde enemies with one mag

[native thorn]

@frosty helm You can also do quick chain lightning burst then swap to sword and cleave without taking hits

[rare maple]

Anybody know max rating for curios?

[elfin iron]

ty but i have 🙂

[wide quest]

I usually do light - heavy - push/push attack for force sword against hordes

[candid hawk]

I mean maybe more like 1/3, 2/3 would be the vet

[native thorn]

yeah agreed

[frosty helm]

i need the staff first

[candid hawk]

vets are much better equipped to deal with chaff with guns

[tall meteor]

BB does fall off, it needs a damage increase.

[native thorn]

chain lightning staff unlocks at 8, pray to emprah for rng

[candid hawk]

plus they can take 75% less toughness damage from ranged when they are in their stance

[frosty helm]

vet just feels better at everything imo

[elfin iron]

for sure, at 4-5 if you're using it in a pressured situation then you arent helping

[candid hawk]

and have 200+ toughness for extended fire fights w/o cover

[native thorn]

Yeah because vet is literally designed for murder

Psyker can save you from what vet can't

[jovial frigate]

yeah, i meant as in crowd controlling from ranged/safer ranges, not actually blasting it

[icy harbor]

I was wondering too

[frosty helm]

why would you need to control the hoard if the hoard is dead?

play vet

[jovial frigate]

vets gud at fuckin ranged up but psykers gud at not letting range fuk u up

[native thorn]

Also stunning flanking explody bois is underrated

[long glacier]

Which feats do you guys use for psyker? I just reached 30 and Im a bit lost, currently using the voidstaff.

[candid hawk]

nah certain specials on my vet are deffinitly tougher to take out on him then my psyker. I find the flamers, ogryn elites, maulers, and dogs are much easier to deal with as a psyker

[native thorn]

TRUE

target lock > doggos

[finite lynx]

what do yall think of the blue vs my current (orange)

[jovial frigate]

ngl ogryns be makin me sad when theres 3 of them but thats just rng

[pine iris]

I dont know how the right click works for BB. I just got very good at the left click

[native thorn]

where you playing?

[last sleet]

Very low base stats.

[jovial frigate]

the double crusher defender wombo combo is a feels bad

[native thorn]

I'm eu game pass and ogryns are rare af

[jovial frigate]

i meant enemy ogryns lol

[native thorn]

vets/zealots everywhere

[native thorn]

oh lmao

[candid hawk]

it good for when you know something like a dog or pox walker is coming to pre charge BB for an instant kill.

[native thorn]

Also lets you precharge before turning a corner so your vet doesn't kill the pop you need to maintain charges

[wide quest]

I hardly use the right click tbh, unless it's a special that I want dead very fast so I charge it up as soon as I hear the sound queue.

[icy harbor]

the blue one is not good

[sour stirrup]

So I've been playing Psyker for a few days now, what's the preferred staff in Heresy?

[pine iris]

You left click once you target when it's charged? and what charge level do you need for BB to go off? (real Qs, I should prob take it to meat grinder)

[jovial frigate]

the one that makes ur pp big except for trauma

[icy harbor]

oh no, this will start an hour long discussion again

[wide quest]

Depends on what your job is and what your team needs.

[sour stirrup]

I don't mind a discussion, I just want to know what staff to look out for.

[wide quest]

I personally bring voidstrike for quickplay since it's good for general use

[last sleet]

Right click is for when you know something is coming, so you can pre-load the BB. It's very situational. 99% left click is fine, and preffered. Right click also can kill you on high peril, while left click is fine up to 97%.

[sour stirrup]

I'm leaning towards the flamethrower one.

[candid hawk]

100% charge to shoot it, holding right click charges it then you can hold it charged for when they come out and target them then hit left click

[pine iris]

level 4/5 surge or purg staff (electric or fire)

[native thorn]

Surge is really good for cc

If you're running with people you trust surge is amazing

[candid hawk]

i just got the highest grey roll ive ever seen

[wide quest]

Flamethrower one is good for hordes, but the lack of range means you'll have to rely on teammates to take care of ranged enemies.

[candid hawk]

too bad its a weapon i dont like so much D:

[native thorn]

You're a duelist now, son

[sour stirrup]

Noice, only missing 22 points.

[wide quest]

Could be especially great if you play in a premade team

[jovial frigate]

voidstrike is cleave, flame is retina deletion and safe but you cry when range dregs spawn at the other side of the room. surge is big zaps wait for claps

[pine iris]

People will tell you void is viable too. I think it requires a great void staff

[native thorn]

Imma be stealing big zaps wait for claps thank you

[wide quest]

But most things can be great by doing premade already

[candid hawk]

NGL i think the zealot flamer is better then the purgatus staff

[icy harbor]

you mean 2 points?

[native thorn]

idk I feel like staves are a lot deeper in their niche than most ranged weapons

[wide quest]

It is, we just run it so the zealot can run boltor ig

[charred marten]

378/400, missing 22

[sour stirrup]

^That

[candid hawk]

i like how you can kinda burst fire the zealot flamer letting your team mates actually see whats coming

[pine iris]

yes they're magic sticks

[icy harbor]

with the purgatus staff and the second level 25 skill you can constantly trigger 4 dots on elites

[jovial frigate]

kk i gotta clean please stop pulling me into this bar measuring chat ree

[icy harbor]

the max is 380

[wide quest]

Yep

[pure rapids]

you can do that with the staff too wdym

[candid hawk]

you have to keep chartging up the staff over and over

[last sleet]

Surge staff is arguably the best. It will seem kinda meh at first, but on the higher difficulties currently your job as psyker is to CC mobs, and to pick off snipers with BB.

[charred marten]

is the legit a cap below the 80% cap on each ?

[native thorn]

And as a result of that they work even better than normal weapons do as far as trusted teammates

[candid hawk]

the flamer is just point and click short busts

[pure rapids]

again you can do that with the staff too wdym

[candid hawk]

for minimal damage yeah you can do that

[pure rapids]

left click is burst of flames + stun

[native thorn]

Love finding a vantage and just raining lightning around the lads

[icy harbor]

380 is the max base stat. and with perfect rolls on a legendary weapon, you will end up with 510 total points

[pure rapids]

right click is full on firebender time

[pine iris]

#psyker-class message I am keeping this message bookmarked and will spam it here and there

[pure rapids]

plus no need to worry about ammo

and also why put flamer on Zealot?

[candid hawk]

The staff makes me feel like i should just be shooting till i cant shoot no more and have to charge it up again. The flamer i can shoot it then pause, shoot it then pause much easier

[wide quest]

Emeperor bless me plez, I need at least a 370 base stat item that is something I can use within the next 15 minutes

[icy harbor]

(unlimited ammo and actually good perks for the fire staff)

[charred marten]

so not only is there a 2nd cap on base stats we also cant get the max roll for upgrades (160) ?

[native thorn]

agreed, best melee in the game needs something with a bit of range imo

[lyric vortex]

is mind over matter(3) bugged for anyone else, completed every mission type on damnation at this point and it still hasnt complete

[pure rapids]

yea just throw a bolter on the Zealot and call it a day

[native thorn]

If you're in flaming range you're really close to cleaving range

[candid hawk]

personally i like to play my zealot with evis chain sword and flamer, but that digressing from psykers xD

[pure rapids]

pppffftttt

Zealot is only for THUNDER HAMMER

[native thorn]

I mean it's 40k so tbh play for rule of cool above all else

[icy harbor]

I am pretty sure the max you can roll is 40 for the perks and 90 for the blessings. This gives you 510 max

[native thorn]

I'm playing psyker because I love warp magic

It's awesome

[candid hawk]

im working on this staff right now ill be happy if i can roll the perfect 490 next upgrade

[native thorn]

And I will keep loving warp magic

[pure rapids]

careful now some will call that heresy

[charred marten]

never looket at "what" the rolls are for, just going by the listed on each upgrade. add them all up and its 70-160 from grey to orange

[native thorn]

My PC insults the corpse-emperor every chance he gets so I figure that was on the lighter side

[cobalt niche]

Hey guys! Somewhat new Psyker here, did my first couple of matches yesterday, did the whole BB thing, and got my first staff, which I will be testing out today.

[pure rapids]

nice

[icy harbor]

yes, 45 max per blessing and 20 max per perk.

[native thorn]

Quick tip for a new psyker. You only explode if you "cast" something while already at 100 peril

This means you can charge force sword and slap a fool at 97%

[wide quest]

You definitely do not want to cast surge at around more than 85 I think.

[native thorn]

BUT the final burst of peril at the end of headpop counts as a seperate instance

[glossy hemlock]

wow psyker REALLY open up when you get a decent staff huh.

[last sleet]

Charge is the bar that needs to be full. the number on screen is your peril. Peril will kill you if you do a warp attack at too high a number. (left click is save up to 97%). If you start to explode (you lose control and look at your hands / scream around) you can press F to save yourself, if the ability is ready.
Also: one thing that people don't seem to know about BB: You can left click an enemy, and then move, and more importantly dodge to safety and you do not need to keep line of sight. So for a lot of ranged enemies / snipers, you can quickly fish for a left click on them, and then slide behind a pillar and kill them from safety.

[wet gust]

Voidstrike Staff do splash damage if you kill with headshot?

[cobalt granite]

It's secondary has AOE but AOE hits with very low damage compared to direct hit. AOE is still there even if it was a body shot, though.

[pine iris]

OK the other replies were shorter and more helpful. but I give you marks

[native thorn]

I believe that comes down to the charge getting you to one hundred and the "fire" part setting it off?

[last sleet]

More helpful????

[cobalt niche]

Good tip! I hit 100 a couple of times and wondered about that

[honest geyser]

the orb pierces enemies then explodes when it hits something thick. Most of the AoE will come from the orb itself

[pine iris]

Yes I was asking how the right click on BB worked. you told me the basics of running psyker class

[glossy hemlock]

its basically used as a pre-emptive charge

[wet gust]

Thanks guys ❤️

[native thorn]

He was replying to someone else because yours was answered to be fair

[finite lynx]

kinda attitude-y but alright

[wide quest]

Nah I'm not even over 90 and the cast would make me explode

Let me just hop into meat grinder real quick just to be sure

[native thorn]

Really? Interesting

I haven't tested it manually this is just feel

I have yet to explode

[pine iris]

Going for laughs

[wide quest]

Yeah it actually does make you explode if you cast surge at over 85

[native thorn]

But be warned, the true pain of wielding the warp is a shop full of lasguns and guard swords

[native thorn]

Thanks

[cobalt granite]

Right click is also basics, so

[pine iris]

But a specific basic

[cobalt granite]

It only exists so you could do a penancy with hound.

[pure rapids]

pppppffffttt did that fine easily with left click

[native thorn]

or precharge for a peaking asshole

snipe em before they snipe you

[cobalt granite]

You're more likely gonna pop your own head

[cobalt niche]

We all have our cross to bear for the Emperor

[wide quest]

I just jump out for half a second, lock the sniper with my left click and slide back into cover then pop his head

[native thorn]

crosses out of stock too :(

[native thorn]

oh yeah agreed, I mean when they are the ones hiding for ages and you can't lock

[wide quest]

Lock on feels iffy at certain times

[pure rapids]

why right click and charge for not garauntee pop when you can left click and pop

[cobalt granite]

For ages, telling you again - u can maintain right click for quite a short amount of time

[native thorn]

also useful for instagibbing splody bois sometimes

[tender cipher]

Sniper? Just charge up void staff and fire.

Doesn't matter if pox walkers are in the way, it'll die.

[wide quest]

I aim directly at the target I want to pop and some how it picks a trash mob that's not even the target closest to the center dot

[native thorn]

ages was an exaggeration I admit

[tender cipher]

Behind a fence? Then Kinetic Barrage + BB

[cobalt niche]

😦

[cobalt granite]

OR just get a vet on your team

[tender cipher]

Assuming the Vet isn't aiming for other things at the time, can get target acquisition, is in position

[honest geyser]

this approach solves all problems in the game

[tender cipher]

And isn't swarmed by melee etc.

[native thorn]

tfw you get 2 vets and your head pop turns into a target painter

[pure rapids]

tfw you get 3 vets and they still don't target elites

[native thorn]

Though actually it's a really useful target painter in dark maps

[pure rapids]

and would rather use power sword

[native thorn]

just scan around while holding left click to highlight heads

[cobalt granite]

Actually, Fatshark are veteran players and they created psykers so that aiming is a bit easier with BB's highlighting.

[teal cargo]

it is known

[pine iris]

yes beat the elite up a bit while I charge up this 1000-1200 guaranteed damage

[cobalt niche]

This sounds plausible

[native thorn]

Is this why they got our power sword

[fresh tusk]

The class feels so useless when you are paired with a Veteran who knows how to paly

[cobalt granite]

More like it's cooler version

[wide quest]

Has to be

[pine iris]

The veteran knows how to play but not how to maximize the psyker on his team

[teal cargo]

nah we can still block and stun

[tender cipher]

Veterans are mentally handicapped so you have to help them out.

[wide quest]

No no, our job is to keep the vets alive, not compete against them because we'll never win in the killing shit department

[pine iris]

and/or the psyker isn't adjusting to the veteran using his BB as a target painter

[teal cargo]

Veterans just built diff and do more dmg 😢

[tender cipher]

Use BB on an Ogryn with a shield to tell the Veteran HEY LOOK YOU CAN KILL THIS TARGET LOL

And then you go back to doing something else.

[fresh tusk]

And you have no control into that, you just are a useless piece in the team when your elite capabilities are always negated cause he's faster and does more damage

[pine iris]

Wrong attitude, play vet

[tender cipher]

Yeah, I am sure they do more damage but under what context?

[fresh tusk]

We never win in any department.

[loud violet]

Let the vet get eaten by a hound

😈

[cobalt granite]

Like looking for other ogryns

[teal cargo]

nah you can do things like block a whole horde of guys

or zap some elites so they sit still and your veteran can shoot them easier

[cobalt granite]

They thought that through and gave you the hound penancy

[fresh tusk]

We have 4 classes, all of them show have a role, something to bring into the table.

[tender cipher]

It's really dumb when they try to hunt for other elites and let all the ranged mobs shoot at the team.

[wide quest]

We were never meant to, we're made to be flexible to support the team

[fresh tusk]

So far, for me, the Psyker has been a half ass everything

[teal cargo]

Psyker has really good blocking and stunning

[wide quest]

Jack of all trades, master of none sort of deal

[tender cipher]

Because you don't understand the class?

[loud violet]

We can flamethrower forever

[fresh tusk]

Preacher are better in melee, and their flamers don't have our heat problems

[pine iris]

you'll get better at psyker if you keep playing it

[teal cargo]

Nobody can stun as good as Psyker

[fresh tusk]

Vets are far deadlier and faster than us in killing elites

[teal cargo]

just unlimited power people

[loud violet]

We don't need ammo

[tender cipher]

If I prove you wrong, will you just leave discord and just shut up forever?

Like seriously.

[pure rapids]

man what's up with people coming in here saying Psyker/staves suck

[teal cargo]

like yea Veterans do a lotta things better

[tender cipher]

Imagine being so dumb to think that a veteran can kill as many elites as a Psyker under EVERY condition.

[fresh tusk]

You can continue to be a dick but I don't care about your shitty opinion kiddo

[teal cargo]

but they cant stun and all

[pure rapids]

ya'll just lining up or what?

[tender cipher]

Why would anyone care for yours either? You're mathematically incompetent.

[teal cargo]

😢

[pure rapids]

first was the Coke guy

and now another goon here

[vagrant cedar]

the one that shocks is kinda shit tho

[pure rapids]

smh my head

[cobalt granite]

@fresh tusk psyker is just balanced all around. Decent ranged, decent mob management, decent crowd control. Not superior but flexible and can be a great 4th player on a team cos can fill in for something that the team is lacking. Having 2 psykers on a team is bad, though.

[tender cipher]

Hey guys I packed 20 ragers in a small circle and then my I flamethrowered them all down.

[fresh tusk]

I can beat your ass, as well as 2 of my colleagues playing vet your Psyker will do shit.

[tender cipher]

Yeah and I can take 3 psykers and the veteran will barely get anything, what is point? The math does not work out in your favor.

[teal cargo]

its very good at stunning

you stun mutants nad hounds

or ragers

[last sleet]

Important question: What's your favourite Staff skin?

[pine iris]

the other classes cant do it all. psykers can and playing that way makes the class stand out. plus an entire set of class exclusive ammo-less ranged weapons

[tender cipher]

Imagine being so dumb to not recognize that psykers do the most AoE damage

[wide quest]

On my other discord, the group that does damnation daily would argue that 2 psyker, 1 vet, 1 ogryn would be the best for them

[teal cargo]

and then they just stand there twitching and your Veteran can kill them easier

[inland flume]

Your garbage attitude notwithstanding, you're just factually incorrect. No Psyker staff can kill elites as fast as a Vet with a bolter. It's just flat-out impossible.

[honest geyser]

wouldn't whining to fatshark about vet being OP be a more effective use of your time than arguing with people who like playing psyker?

[cobalt granite]

I also run damnation only. So telling from MY experience

[hallow needle]

seems alright for low level id say?

[tender cipher]

Really? So are you telling me that a void staff that has N penetration and can two or one shot certain elites cannot outpace a bolter?

[hallow needle]

void spam incoming

[tender cipher]

Literally can pierce a whole crowd of elites.

[native thorn]

what if the bolter's out of ammo lmao imagine relying on the material plain

[fresh tusk]

I want the old ult back, I want more warp powers. I don't really care that the vet is busted, I want improvements in this class.

[tender cipher]

He said it is flat out impossible, guys.

[pine iris]

void plays slow. the slow quell speed is a little too low. but if you're good at melee you'll be fine

[tender cipher]

Like under NO scenario does a psyker outpace a Vet

Literally could prove him wrong by doing napkin math or going to the Meatgrinder.

[pine iris]

if you're 1:1'ing classes you're not thinking about the field of battle

[native thorn]

Also like

[tender cipher]

He said under no scenario does a Psyker win.

[inland flume]

Correct. The Void staff can only pierce a crowd of elites if they're all unarmored and politely standing in a line.

And you can be a smartass all you like, but I said a Vet with a bolter. Clearly I meant a bolter that has ammo. Trying for a "haha what if the bolter was out of ammo" gotcha is just arguing in bad faith.

[native thorn]

Have you not heard of support classes

Do you think tanks are trash in mmos

[pine iris]

the game is about team composition

[native thorn]

Do vets get DEFLECTION BLESSING

[pine iris]

and higher level play is about cohesion

[tender cipher]

So shut the fuck up. You realize that pox walkers are blocking elites half the time anyways so you're going to get kills through collateral damage right? Just like you're most likely going to tag the sniper behind a million pox walker than the veteran.

[teal cargo]

Yea Psykers got stun!

[vagrant cedar]

can anyone explain to me if my purple staff is better cause of perks/blessing than the orange one?

[inland flume]

In no universe is the Psyker a tank. They have the lowest combined health and toughness pool of any class in the game.

[tender cipher]

Or if you run with multiple psykers you're just going to AoE down everything.

[teal cargo]

They got the best blocking

[tender cipher]

Kinetic Deflection + Deflection exists.

[inland flume]

My guy, I never said anything about poxwalkers or snipers. Who tf are you arguing with? All I said was that a Vet with a bolter was better at killing elites

[native thorn]

2nd best tank in the game with the right force sword

Behind a fuckin shield ogryn

[cobalt granite]

@vagrant cedar if you see Run and Gun - it's trash.

[umbral trench]

What would you guys say is the best staff overall atm?

[sour bison]

almost perfect

[native thorn]

With the advantage that you can still force sword smash

[vagrant cedar]

is it? I thought it would let me run/walk while i spam right click

[tender cipher]

Oh man now who is thinking of unrealistic scenarios. Again, if you want to talk about actual game play recognize the fact that psykers do have the best AoE.

If you're talking about 1v1, then I present to you 1000 million unarmored elites lined up.

[cobalt granite]

It will let you charge while sprinting, that's it

[tender cipher]

(Some of them can have flak.)

[hallow needle]

then i am fine

[native thorn]

Also I'm not deep enough in the game to know

[night marten]

competing with vets to kill specials for pick n mix feels so incredibly bad lol

[vagrant cedar]

ohh, then it's kinda shit cause it charges quick anyway

[tender cipher]

@inland flume Like what's the point of even thinking about logic or figuring out where the psyker shines best if you aren't even willing to acknowledge numbers and facts? Just fuck out of here and play a Vet.

[native thorn]

Do vets outdps a repeated force sword charged heavy to the back?

[inland flume]

Again, you're just arguing with yourself at this point. Yes, Psykers have the best AoE, but Vets are still better at killing Elites.

Your level of hostility is very confusing to me.

[winter patrol]

whats the best cc melee that psyker has

[tender cipher]

Your level of stupidity is confusing to me too, you are saying "better" without qualification or quantification.

[cobalt granite]

Also you don't even need to run and fire, you usually stay still to stack burning and stun things, so it is a useless perk for that staff, sorry

[pure rapids]

force sword

[tender cipher]

Is it so hard to be logical about things?

[cobalt granite]

If you mean CC'ing yourself, then yes 😄

[frosty helm]

think everyone has said that force sword is the best for cc melee

[winter patrol]

thats weird but sure ok

[native thorn]

the block psi burst is pretty nice

[pure rapids]

wdym the force push is good cc

[cobalt granite]

Was referring to RMB 😄

[winter patrol]

push makes sense

[vagrant cedar]

i thought it would give me more mobility as i could walk backwards etc faster while i spray them right click

[inland flume]

You're going to resort to personal insults instead of arguments and then try to say that I'm the one being illogical? Sure, whatever, clearly this debate isn't going to go anywhere

[cobalt granite]

I mean special*

[tender cipher]

@inland flume https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundness here you go.

[native thorn]

You were making pretty absolute statements to be fair

[pure rapids]

you're better off swapping that blessing for Terrifying Barrage when full crafting releases

[tender cipher]

Go read the article and figure it out, that's a baseline for which you can operate under. Personal insults are just icing on the cake, you still haven't actually proven your claims in any way; you have neither qualified or quantified what "better" means.

[pure rapids]

but by that time you'll probably get a better staff

[native thorn]

"vets are overall better at killing elites than psykers" is something nobody would argue with

[tender cipher]

I mean any amount of game play can inform you where a staff can actually kill more elites than a veteran with a bolter.

[vagrant cedar]

yeah, fk knows when crafting will come out

[inland flume]

That is literally all that I was trying to say though

[loud violet]

behold

[winter patrol]

after 4 updates to the premium shop

[loud violet]

another purge staff with flag armour damage

[tender cipher]

That's not how this game works though. There are so many conditions you have to consider.

[fading jewel]

should i focus on certain weapons or feats pre lvl 30? or is everything just reliant on edngame

[icy harbor]

16% burn????? damn

[native thorn]

Oh yeah I agree

[vagrant cedar]

what does the burn % mean tho? the chance to put a dot on the enemy?

[icy harbor]

just ignore everything pre level 30

[tender cipher]

And considering some groups are able to run faster by leaning on psykers more than vets.

[pine iris]

the burn stat on this couldnt brown toast

[tender cipher]

That sort of shits on the idea that vets are better overall. Maybe when it comes to pugs?

[native thorn]

I just mean that if I wanted to make a character to kill elites it'd defs be a vet

[native thorn]

way more self reliant than us that's for sure lol

[cobalt granite]

Behold the shitty rolls? 😄

[onyx urchin]

holding weapons with blessings/perks pre-30 for whenever crafting rolls out can be advantageous, but not needed.

[tender cipher]

Is it though? Because the reload time and weapon swap time of certain weapons means, under situations where they have to hard carry, they aren't able to as well.

Where as a void/purg/lightning can probably pull it off.

[pure rapids]

oi vey

that's gonna be jacked once fully consecrated

[hearty loom]

gimme full crafting big fish pls

[native thorn]

aye but some of that relies on teamwork

[inland flume]

I never claimed that Vets were better overall.

Since you want me to specify "better", here; when faced with an average situation (not a horde, no monstrosity present, just a low-to-medium concentration of poxwalkers and shooters), a Veteran with a Bolter will be able to kill more Elites in less time than a Psyker with any loadout

[pearl thicket]

rate of application and max stacks

it’s very good

[native thorn]

By self sufficient I mostly mean it's the ideal class if you think everyone around you is braindead

[sage jolt]

which staff is the best for aoe? Right now I am running with the flamethrower staff but I got every type of staff

[pure rapids]

Purg/Void, Purg for horde clear, Void for more damage

[native thorn]

I can stun all I want but if the homies are playing dice in the corner it's a bad time

[vagrant cedar]

are there known numbers for the % to explain it better?

[ornate abyss]

Got any tips for a new psyker? What weapons should I use to be this Lightning Palpatine thing funzone

[native thorn]

Though another nice thing about all the cc we have is that it makes it much easier to do quick recon runs to look for stuff

[pearl thicket]

yeah, hover it in advanced view ingame

[native thorn]

try get to lvl 8 asap, get force sword and surge staff

[sage jolt]

Void? Ok, which one is the purg ingame?

[pure rapids]

the flamethrower staff

[native thorn]

stun everything with chain lightning bursts and chop em to pieces

[vagrant cedar]

oooo they added some stuff to the screen. Thanks Dude!!

[cobalt granite]

Just go and enjoy the game. Stop looking for tips.

[sage jolt]

Ahh ;D

[ornate abyss]

no

Can't enyoy without sense of direction

[sage jolt]

So its ok to run around with that one

[pure rapids]

for hordes yes

[cobalt granite]

The game gives plenty of that

[sage jolt]

ok good, thanks ^^

[pure rapids]

everything else you'd want another staff

[native thorn]

to be fair they didn't want meta, just wanted to know how to hit the psyker fantasy lol

[pure rapids]

but everything else should be manageable with your force sword

[candid temple]

Is terrifying barrage the pick for staves?

[native thorn]

You don't ask how to be palpatine to minmax

[pure rapids]

for purg/surge staves

[cobalt granite]

I mean it's weird coming here asking how to enjoy game. At least for me.

[native thorn]

and at least for me surge staff is when psyker clicked

[native thorn]

eh depends

[ornate abyss]

aight gotacha

[cobalt granite]

On what?

[native thorn]

I know 40k so I know what I wanna do

[pine iris]

good momentum killer for hordes. some of the cower animations are realistic and cool

[native thorn]

If I'd seen the trailer and saw a psyker

I'd come to discord going "hey what's that build it looks fun af"

[pure rapids]

it clicked then unlicked after finding out the surge is not meant for damage :(

[native thorn]

Especially if I started playing psyker and had a sword and gun

[cobalt granite]

It's not like this game has a lot of options, you can figure it out in several games while having fun trying.

[pure rapids]

Palpatine be killing Mace Windu and we can't even kill a flak guy

[tender cipher]

So, you've come up with one scenario which isn't average by the way that exists. I've come up with two.

And furthermore, elites are usually in packs as well for which the psyker is dealing AoE damage to them and will most likely tag some of them through collateral damage.

You have yet to prove that, overall, which is meaningless, that veterans outpace psykers.

You also don't consider reload and positioning either, you immediately assume the best case scenario.

It's pretty clear that you haven't thought about this issue or have played much or have done any of the math behind a proper void staff or flamer or whatever else.

[unkempt juniper]

mace windu was stunned and died falling out a window

[native thorn]

To be fair mace windu was wearing robes

ok stoner's was better

[tender cipher]

It's also good for when the mobs are about to collapse in on you buying yourself time to kill more.

[pine iris]

@ornate abyss force jedi is a 20+ level thing. there are good youtube videos on psyker class. use the meat grinder. understand exactly when you will and wont blow up under peril. other than that, it's just another class

[pure rapids]

pppffffttt then why can't the flak guy fall out and die too huh?

open a warp portal and kick him in

[unkempt juniper]

u have to use your force push off a ledge like palpatine did

[native thorn]

Well it can't be imperial safety regulations

Have you seen the state of the guardrails?

[wide quest]

I just want an mk v battle axe that's at least 340 base stats ;-;

[late crater]

Does anyone know when crafting is coming to the game, I'm sick of waiting on the store to give me the trait I want

[inland flume]

I didn't consider reloading because I also didn't consider the Psyker's current peril status.

Yes, Elites come in packs, but the Bolter also has AoE damage - a small enough radius to make the Psyker better at hordes, but large enough to burst down multiple Elites in a pack at the same time.

You're just equivocating and resorting to personal insults at this point. I don't agree with you therefore I haven't thought about the issue, played much, or done the math. Obviously those are the only possibilities because there's no way that you could just be incorrect. Good God.

[native thorn]

Btw I don't see anyone talking about the duelling sword, what's it's role in the weapon roster?

[pine iris]

don't be impatient with newbies, it's release weekend.

[pure rapids]

your guess is as good as mine

[native thorn]

especially since it means we can indoctrinate more people into 40k fandom

leggo

More fans more good games

Total war 40k when

[pure rapids]

apparently it's good for movement and dodging

[pine iris]

Trauma staff - no more discord essays please

[native thorn]

guessing it's got the horde clear of a toothpick

[wide quest]

Movement and dodging like the other person said, mk v especially deals bonkers dmg with the heavy attacks

[unkempt juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-gif-25596232

[tender cipher]

You literally have done zero math on the subject or have investigated the issue at length; it shows by your lack of understanding of how much AoE damage a void staff can do on Heresy+.

And again, the insults are to encourage to look at the facts because you haven't come up with a sound argument. You've presented one case where you might be correct, but I've provided others which you are not. And the situations can continue over and over.

Therefore, how can you, in any right mind conclude that your original thesis that the Vet shits on the psyker is correct?

[native thorn]

sounds a little like elf spear from vt2. Are the basics fast af?

[wide quest]

They're much closer to the rapier that saltz has

[native thorn]

Because I loved that one at a time blender

Ah kk

[pure rapids]

yea rapier

[wide quest]

But more slash instead of poking

[pure rapids]

preferred bill hook

[wide quest]

Oh wait nvm the rapier also slash I forgor

[pure rapids]

FS give 40k Bill Hook plez

[pine iris]

@inland flume @tender cipher take it to DMs. your debate is not interesting

[wide quest]

I actually prefer bill hook too

[inland flume]

I never said that. You're clearly way too emotionally invested in this and not willing to listen to other points of view, so let's just call it a draw for the sake of everyone else on here who doesn't want to read half a dozen more paragraphs, yeah?

[tender cipher]

"No Psyker staff can kill elites as fast as a Vet with a bolter. It's just flat-out impossible."

[umbral trench]

[native thorn]

40k dual hammers or riot

[inland flume]

=/= "the Vet shits on the psyker"

[tender cipher]

And your assertion is still wrong.

[native thorn]

Also dwarf toss is infinitely superior to zealot charge fite me

[gray kelp]

does anyone know if warp resistance on force sword influences peril gain on block when using kinetic deflector?

[pure rapids]

40k Throwing Axe

[little galleon]

agreed, vet > psyker

[native thorn]

for ogryn. make it a chain axe

[pure rapids]

fuck just give VT weapons but 40k

[frosty helm]

sword and mace would be peak dude

[native thorn]

when it lands it applies a dot lmao

Oh also I'm curious, what's our best horde clear melee? standard swords?

[inland flume]

It's obvious that you've made up your mind and aren't willing to listen to conflicting viewpoints. I already suggested calling it a draw, and I'm going to repeat that suggestion.

[static epoch]

chainsword 🤡

[wide quest]

Every psyker would then abuse the push attack spam along with that one block with peril feat

[hearty dagger]

I have an idae for a Psyker buff.
Make Warp Charges increase BB cast speed so they're not essentially useless.

[orchid dirge]

i've been enjoying the dueling sword for it

[pure rapids]

yes that would be nice

[vagrant cedar]

one more question 👀 does this perk means that if i left attack enemies 5 times my right click charge bar will charge 50% faster?

[native thorn]

Thanks, will. Give it a go.

[pure rapids]

the right click only

[tender cipher]

What part of your view point is correct. Let's go look at the wikipage on soundness, you can even dip into the logic section of it. If you had said "Veterans kill elites faster than psykers some times" do you think I would argue against that?

[pine iris]

@tender cipher dm fraxinus. dont type here. it's upsetting the cat

[inland flume]

I'm not going to engage with you any further on this topic. Please stop.

[wide quest]

Mk v battle axe push attack spam perhaps? Or maybe the devil claw sword horizontal heavy attacks

[tender cipher]

Your cat is useless as are you.

[frosty helm]

i see no problems with this statment

[vagrant cedar]

the right click charge bar for how long i can spray right? that will go up 50% faster?

[native thorn]

Will add that to the trial list

I love the stun staff and want something with more cleave than the force sword for clean up

[pure rapids]

every consecutive right click procs that blessing

[tender cipher]

You never should've engaged to begin with and maybe you'll learn your lesson on not making broad misleading assertions -- I think we call it fake news in some places. 😉

[vagrant cedar]

wait so i gotta spam right click 5 times and then it will charge 50% faster?

[wide quest]

Be sure to run the block with peril feat too if you do use the mk v axe

[pure rapids]

pretty much

[inland flume]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[native thorn]

You could likely have some fun with this using low charge right clicks then ult and go ham

[little galleon]

embarrassing

[pure rapids]

but even at just ~2 stacks it's alr pretty fast

[vagrant cedar]

the time it would taken to spam the right click 5 times, wouldn't my bar be maxxed way sooner by then?

[wide quest]

You only get the buff after you cast the secondary attack so no, I don't think so. Unless if I misunderstood what you said as literally spamming right click 5 times.

[pure rapids]

as in for each consecutive charges of the secondary attack

[native thorn]

The buff will carry over to future right clicks

[fading jewel]

is this a good buy to save for later?

[pine iris]

what part of it looks good to you?

[vagrant cedar]

it doesn't go away after few seconds?

it lasts the whole round?

[native thorn]

Not whole round

But when you right click again it'll refresh

[fading jewel]

all the crit

[pure rapids]

it carries over so long as you're consecutively using the right click

[native thorn]

So it'll last as long as you can keep burning shit

[pine iris]

The stats go up to 80

[native thorn]

Oh does it fall off that fast?

[pure rapids]

felt like that to me

[orchid dirge]

till lvl 30 buy whatever crap you feel comfortable with, dont upgrade it tho

[pine iris]

It doesn't look too good and it looks expensive I think @fading jewel

[native thorn]

Thanks, hadnt used the perk myself so misread it

[pure rapids]

the charging definitely feels faster on consecutive right click charges

[native thorn]

Might be worth testing in the meat grinder?

[inland flume]

Even so, a consecutive 10% speed increase on chained flame bursts is still pretty great in my experience. Especially because that 10% speed increase leads to a reduction in peril generated, since the staff generates peril over time while you charge it. Even if you never get to the 50% max buff it's still a very useful blessing

[pure rapids]

yea even at just 10% it alr felt great

[vagrant cedar]

i don't feel the difference tbh

[native thorn]

really good point on peril reduction

[vagrant cedar]

it charges within like 2s

from 0 to 100%

[native thorn]

try holding right click and tapping left click

see if it goes up

basically don't let go of right click while you flamin

immediately start another charge

[pure rapids]

yeap

[native thorn]

like the way you chainstun with surge

[lone cliff]

what is soulblaze? i have a feat now that says killing an elite or specialist applies soulblaze to nearby enemies? and another one i see at lvl 30 applies soulblaze with your ult, but no description of what that status is. is it just a dot? is it worth it?

[native thorn]

It's part of flame staff, weird that they don't explain it. It's a dot I'm pretty sure

[pure rapids]

the burn that the flame staff applies

[candid temple]

can you cheese wwarp battery by just staying at start and channeling at 100%?

[inland flume]

It's a DoT that is often misunderstood. The flamethrower staff also applies it.

The thing about Soulblaze is that it stacks exponentially, for some reason. One stack is hilariously, laughably pathetic. Five or six stacks becomes serious damage.

[pure rapids]

yes

[night marten]

multiplicative fire dot. first few stacks dont do much damage at all, but anything past 4 starts to hurt

[lone cliff]

ok but if i dont have the flame staff, can i still use that feat?

[native thorn]

Yes

[vagrant cedar]

i can't say it's that much faster tbh

:/

[native thorn]

But as they said it won't be too effective

[lone cliff]

ok. is taht yalls lvl 10 feat?

[pure rapids]

yes but less effective

[lone cliff]

ohh ok so use it WITH flame staff for better use

i gotchya

[native thorn]

damage reduction on peril is probably a more useful one tbh

[mystic burrow]

any tips for Going out with a bang? I play with randoms and I have no idea how I'm suppose to get it

[lone cliff]

honestly the 25% peril resistance with 4 warpcharges sounds nice. or no?

[inland flume]

That's the neat part, you don't

[pure rapids]

honestly imo warp resistance is quite useless with how fast you can quell with your staff

[vagrant cedar]

sounds better at 36% with 6 charges

[inland flume]

I had to find a premade group to get it, and even then it took me and the other Psyker like a solid hour of repeatedly losing games before we both got it. It's unreasonably annoying.

[native thorn]

sadly a lot of psyker stuff kinda needs later stuff to work well

[wide quest]

Warp charges are different from peril. You get warp charges by killing things with brain burst or from certain feats. Peril is basically an overheat bar that builds up when you use brain burst, force sword special or push attack, and staves.

[lone cliff]

oh ok so when i get the trait that increases max warp charges, then that gets better ok.

[native thorn]

The peril resistance is pretty nice once you've got the feats to make maintaining warp charges easier

[mystic burrow]

That's really annoying 😦 the other one as well where you have to kill a boss alone

[vagrant cedar]

yeah you can pop more heads before it goes to 100%

[native thorn]

until then it's almost a waste trying

You're better off spending peril on damage/cc most of the time

aside from popping elites

[inland flume]

Psyker penances are objectively garbage. I mean most classes have bad penances, but for some reason the Psyker ones feel like the worst. Almost all of them require a full group going out of their way to support you.

[pure rapids]

Cliffhanger pre release was an absolute drag

[wide quest]

Psykers gets the worst treatment quite literally

[candid temple]

not as bad as that one ogryn one 😄

where you have to knockdown? 6 ogryn type elites at once?

[native thorn]

no resource reliance does have its price

[pure rapids]

should be quite easy on higher diff

they like to shit ogryns out like it's nothing

[native thorn]

yeh more diff = more elites

[mystic burrow]

Jesus, but I have so much fun on my psyker 😦 I want to look cool 😄

[wide quest]

That's actually quite easy, just hop into damnation and reset until you have 4 or more enemy ogryns at spawn

[native thorn]

psyker's great, you're just less of a murderhobo than zealot or vet and you're less of a tank than ogryn

[pure rapids]

yea Psyker's basically an all-rounder that fills the team

[native thorn]

I love games that have a semi support class that isn't just "throw heals at everyone"

So few do it well

It's incredibly satisfying hanging back and just like

orchestrating the fight

[wide quest]

I love playing support classes

[native thorn]

take potshots, watch for flanking groups to stun/wipe. Pop what needs popping

[inland flume]

My favorite job is crowd control, so it was between Psyker and Ogryn for me

[tacit fractal]

I love to play support classes but also carrying as a support class is insane

[wide quest]

But it

[native thorn]

and when bosses arrive, shove that force sword all the way through

[pine iris]

Here's ammo! Take this ammo! I brought this ammo! You can have this ammo!

[native thorn]

This is me, I can't loot but I still have loot goblin tendancies

[wide quest]

It's honestly annoying to see people playing dps sort of class all the time and shit on support classes

[native thorn]

Run around the whole map opening containers and pinging

[pure rapids]

omg the number of times the other players don't pick up ammo

[wide quest]

Or just play dps classes while being shit at it, ow2 moments.

[pure rapids]

it's infuriatingly common

[sage jolt]

Who does more damage than psyk is that even possible ^^

[pine iris]

lol when they dont take the ammo and it's malice I want to light the whole elevator on fire

[native thorn]

generally zealots in melee and vets at range

[icy harbor]

I have this build for my SURGE staff, anyone got recommendations?

[sage jolt]

@pure rapids could it be that my purg staff needs a certain level, tested both in the arena and it feels like void works a lot better in aoe and dmg

[native thorn]

when 2 teammates are out of ammo and the third won't drop the box 💀

[native thorn]

surge is a wide boi

[pure rapids]

purg is better for horde cc and clear

[pine iris]

Specifically when are you saving the ammo for? christmas?

[pure rapids]

if you want damage just go void

[charred marten]

why move when quelling? just have staff/sword active and you can move at about same speed while quelling anyway...

[native thorn]

void will murder hordes

[unkempt juniper]

use voidstrike

[native thorn]

Purge staff can basically hold an entire horde at a door

[wide quest]

The toughness on quell might be better since surge builds up peril very fast, and it definitely won't kill a lot of enemies compared to void and surge.

[pine iris]

and then I have to melee dodge for 20 minutes because I thought my lasgun would be fine on level 2

[pure rapids]

don't use the toughness on warp kill

[grim bay]

you can thank me later

[pure rapids]

you ain't killing with surge

[native thorn]

Yeh, surge is for making sure nothing makes it into damage range

void is for murder

[grim bay]

make sure to run rapier with this

and enjoy godmode/wavecontrol

[summer prairie]

you are going to kill plenty of gunners and armored elites with surge

[young summit]

does consecration increas the weapons damage? or it just adds new stats?

[pure rapids]

new stats and blessings

[icy harbor]

yeah i thought about switching to that, especially a higher difficulties when I basically only stun

[pure rapids]

if they aren't already killed by others then sure

[native thorn]

If you have competent teammates you turn to the next pack and stun them, too

[pure rapids]

but majority of the time they're dead before they've finished their stun animation

[native thorn]

nobody is permitted to move

[icy harbor]

that is a very weird build imo

[native thorn]

Wonder if brainburst is gonna get changes that make it better at higher difficulties/more versatile tbh

And I wonder how they'd do it

[wide quest]

I don't really ever use the block with peril feat unless if I run a force sword with that one blessing to block ranged attacks or the mk v battle axe

[grim bay]

@icy harbor what part feels wierd

@wide quest trust me, try rapier block (far better than force sword)

[fading jewel]

ok thx

[native thorn]

block with peril would be dope for our gunner overlord from earlier lmao

[sage jolt]

brainburst feels a bit low to use, yea it haves a high burst but there is no fun at it 😄 - using 15 - 1 to get my warp loads so wont even use it

[vagrant cedar]

it's very good at picking enemy gunners from a distance when no one wants to get in or you're down a few peeps

[wet gust]

Why this weapon has cleave damage if it doesn't really clave that much?

[grim bay]

@wet gust it cleaves plenty what do you mean

[summer prairie]

it has decent cleave

[icy harbor]

why would I go for a rapier block when I have a 503 force sword that can also block bullets?

[wet gust]

Damn I didn't noticed

[night marten]

thank christ

[wet gust]

Which one is better? Mk 4 or Mk 5?

[pure rapids]

nice

[summer prairie]

mk5 has better dodge, depends on what you are going for

[frosty helm]

you love to see it

[sage jolt]

@vagrant cedar true but when everyone is at the run idk - then I just try to pick those snipers out while being safe behind cover

[grim bay]

because blocking bullets is bad, and rapier can attack while blocked + recovers MUCH faster. can tank daemonhost unlike force sword peril block + push cost

[native thorn]

I've seen people talking about the mk5 a decent bit but with variants I think it's always "better for what"

[vagrant cedar]

yeah it's situational, i guess you wouldn't have to use it that much if you're in a proper team

[native thorn]

what do you want the weapon to do

[wet gust]

Good question

[summer prairie]

but I think mkv has worse movement tech

[wet gust]

First time playing Psyker so I don't really know what is my role

[grim bay]

• ForceSword takes WAY more dmg during block

[vagrant cedar]

pop elite enemy heads

and dogs

[pure rapids]

you take out elites/specials your Vet hasn't already taken out

[native thorn]

once you get a few levels under your belt you fall into a more supporty role

For now brain pop elites/specials

[wet gust]

That is why people run the lightning staff?

To stagger everything around?

[native thorn]

Yeh, basically no damage but nothing in the game comes close to the way it stuns

[pure rapids]

aye good elite CC

[wide quest]

Mk iv is better for horde since because of the moveset and cleave, mk v is better for elites and specials because of the heavy attack.

[native thorn]

If you're backing up someone with your lightning staff you can borderline make them invincible

short charge lightning spam for aoe permastuns