psyker-class

[edgy cedar]

and when you rarely crit, it basically does 1 dps lol

[hot ice]

Yep, the soulblaze from the lvl10 talent sucks ass

[edgy cedar]

oh that also sucks yes

[hot ice]

Should trigger soulblaze on an area around the BB target regardless if it kills them or not, and shouldn't be just elites/specials

[jovial quail]

@meager pulsar oof lol why you gotta point stuff out

[hot ice]

That would actually make it that little more useful

[shadow quail]

Lol I;ve been on since beta and onlly just got my first void staff

[errant stream]

oh wow that's unlucky

[hot ice]

Because by the time you have used BB on an elite, the veteran would've killed like 5 of them already

[bold maple]

with aimbot maybe

[rapid frigate]

I don't know why they nerfed psyker from the closed beta

[jovial quail]

@shadow quail I've actively look through shop every hour on my zealot and he's been level 30 for over a week now and still haven't found a single lacerate knife. Got like 5x +3s on my pysker in the shop. Game truly needs a warehouse/shared box function.

[hot ice]

Im exaggerating, you know what i mean

[errant stream]

because Fatshark is allergic to Brain Burst

[magic hull]

is this good

[hot ice]

Yummy

[bold maple]

372? im nutting

make that orange asap

[rapid frigate]

It would be nice if we could have more powers in general instead if having to use staffs

[jovial quail]

372 base, Yarp that's a keeper

[errant stream]

btw is any of you at 500+ power gear?

[shadow quail]

I have been, it's been proper shit though I only today got my first force sword since monday power level 120 or so lol

[olive ember]

Anything above 350 base is good, 370 is great 380+ is amazing

[shadow quail]

Shop has been brutal

[ivory path]

the perk could be better

[jovial quail]

Lmao yeah the shop functionality is absolute dog water imo. I desperately hope things are better. But tbf since launch i've gotten... 6 mastercrafts from random games and like 4 purples and 3-5 blues

So at least drops are happening alot more in games at least

[uncut hamlet]

youll be able to change blessings once they roll out full crafting though

[ivory path]

true

[olive ember]

In a month

[errant stream]

only if you already found the interested blessing on another weapon

[ivory path]

very awesome how we were supposed to already have full crafting

[uncut hamlet]

a good solution ive seen recommended is for all weapons to be available at least at grey, and for anyhing above grey + the stats of the greys to be randomized

[ivory path]

thanks for lying fat shark

[uncut hamlet]

so youll at least always have access to your full arsenal to play with

[ruby merlin]

I really hope harder difficulties come with full crafting. There's not much point atm when you can clear damnation with green or grey gear lol.

[jovial quail]

Yeah I absolutely agree. no matter what there should be a permenant white version in the shop for every available weapon

[uncut hamlet]

yea but since crafting isnt implemented yet might as well horde blessings

[shadow quail]

atleast have a set number of things we need, waiting the hour to see all laz guns and no force weapons sucks

[velvet stratus]

How do you get the revolver for psyker?

[ruby merlin]

I mean I prefer the axe or dueling sword to the force sword personally.

[shadow quail]

hope

[errant stream]

true but i still think that's a bit bs, i would prefer the V2 system

[void garden]

any tips for a level 20 psyker?

[jovial quail]

For psyker I absolutely swear by the knife especially with lacerate. Mixing a good amount of stacks of soulblaze + bleed is super nice, especially when soloing bosses like daemons

[olive ember]

What tips ya need

[ivory path]

be level 30

[jovial quail]

Plus the infinite kiting is so so nice.

[errant stream]

take your time and don't rely on BB too much and find a good voidstrike staff

[shadow quail]

you should try the surge and animation canceling into melee

[ruby merlin]

@void garden peril block is godtier

[shadow quail]

wrecks

[void garden]

is bb really not that good?

[jovial quail]

Plus with kinetic deflection you're still able to tank a good amount as well covering its weakness

[tight saddle]

You can Dodge+Crouch (to slide) while BBing, Charging a Staff attack, and Quenching with any weapon. Learn to slip and slide everywhere and you can hard carry the lower difficulties.

[void garden]

thats with the force sword right?

[errant stream]

it sucks

[uncut hamlet]

of holding down reroll for an hour? i'd prefer just collecting and upgrading the blessing myself

[ruby merlin]

@void garden I run it with the axe, you can use whatever with it. I prefer the axe or dueling sword

[hot ice]

Falls off a lot on heresy+

[olive ember]

3 staff options:
Surge -support specialist + elite CC
Flame -close range + horde clear
Voidstrike -long range + general purpose

[void garden]

i didnt know you could do it with staff attack

[ruby merlin]

But run toughness on block, peril block, learn how to melee and you'll become a carry god @void garden

[void garden]

ohhh ok

[ruby merlin]

For long range snipers you can bb them

[void garden]

does each staff have a diffrent perk build?

[ruby merlin]

or bombers that run away

[errant stream]

an hour is an exaggeration, and with the actual system days could past without you getting the blessing you want, i'm looking for deflector since the start of the open beta

[tight saddle]

The amount of Psykers I team up with that don't know how to be a slip-n-slide wizard hurts my soul.

[ruby merlin]

learn to push back pox bursters mid jump too @void garden

[void anvil]

the honest answer is its situational but generally you want to stick with your staff

[hot ice]

A good vet would've already killed the sniper before you have time to bb it

[ruby merlin]

and audio cues are key, dodge on first trapper noise etc

@hot ice True, I'm assuming no vet

[hot ice]

Fair

[uncut hamlet]

Thats fair yea, but a large part of the issue is the bloat of psykler shop

[ruby merlin]

psyker can flex carry every role

[uncut hamlet]

no force weapons

[void garden]

is that with your ability or can you do it with a force sowrd too?

[ruby merlin]

@void garden you can do it with any weapon

just when it jumps, push it back, dodge back x2

it will die while you take zero damage

[hot ice]

Pushing bursters is unreliable ive found

[ruby merlin]

if you are panicking, just use your ability

[void garden]

ohhh awesome i didnt know you could

i usually just prep a bb for them

[ruby merlin]

Has to be mid jump!

[hot ice]

Sometimes they get shoved, sometimes they dont, other times they make the noise of about to blow up and they dont once you push them

[jovial quail]

Flame staff can light attack push a burster too when in jumping, basically a long range shub.

[hot ice]

Oh really?

[ruby merlin]

It might have to do with ping too

Yep, mid jump only

[hot ice]

Ahhhhh

[native minnow]

Question for the chat does anyone know if it's actually worth it to use the surge force lightning staff at any discharge level or to try to get max on the charge meter

[ruby merlin]

if it's still standing on the ground you will fail

[void anvil]

ive also been waiting for deflector since the start of open beta, almost a 100 hours in and still no deflector blessing.... but there sure is a hell of a lot of lasguns and combat axes in my shop 24/7

[hot ice]

That explains why i cant seem to reliably push em

[void garden]

soo what should I build in my feat tree? ive been trying to make bb better lol

[ruby merlin]

Peril block is key, then toughness on quell, rest is up to you!

[hot ice]

What sucks is when someone shoots a burster you're near and have ur melee weapon out

Like cmon bro, i was about to take no dmg, thanks a lot

[uncut hamlet]

yea people still dont know to wait for the push

[errant stream]

i can fell this so much...

[urban igloo]

I finally found one several days ago, and ever since I haven't seen another force sword or ANY staff

[uncut hamlet]

Ive only gotten one deflector at lv 10

Psyker shop is full of vet tools

[void garden]

so what build and play style should i be going at lvl 20?

[hot ice]

Havent gotten deflector on the 5+ force swords ive seen so far

[jovial quail]

Yeah force swords are like every 1/8 shops for me at best, typically with absolute trash blessings

[uncut hamlet]

would help if more staves and force weaponry was unlocked, that way theyd make up a larger portion

[wheat wren]

Any news on if they're re-balancing psyker or zealot?

[uncut hamlet]

at this point i feel like the % chance for force weapons to be in shop has one too few zeroes

[wheat wren]

Bolter killing specials and elites before brain burst loads is killing me

[void anvil]

sounds about right, but at least once the crafting system comes out you can slap it on a decent staff when you find one

[hot ice]

I heard that kinetic deflection was stealth nerfed like 10+ hours ago, and that you get more peril, is this true?

Ive been at work so i havent played yet

[uncut hamlet]

Havent tried it yet, dont have one

[errant stream]

be like me, forget you have BB for your sanity' sakes, use it only on unreachable targets for your team

[full egret]

wtf is the crit chance of staves? I just took more than 30 shots to get 1

[uncut hamlet]

Thats exactly what i do yea

[wheat wren]

pain

[void garden]

what feats should i take as a lvl 20

[errant stream]

don't worry about warp charges, you'll get them anyway if you are lvl 30 thanks to the feats

[hot ice]

It depends on ur playstyle, but kinetic deflection is a must for lvl20 perk

[void garden]

awesome thanks!

[wheat wren]

Fair enough. I just feel completely useless when all I can use is the staff instead of nuking the troublesome enemies.

[signal turret]

Is Pick n Mix Damnation only or something? Pretty sure I should have gotten it twice over at this point

[olive ember]

flame has a different perk build revolving around the lvl 30 feat "ascendant blaze" but besides that not rly i don't think

[signal turret]

Did in Heresy

[urban igloo]

If troublesome enemies are being killed before you can BB, that's a pretty good problem to have

[celest hedge]

i feel like none of the level 30 feats are good for the flame staff

[hot ice]

Thats the job of your vet, if he's doing his role correctly

[candid temple]

have you heard of the void staff?

[olive ember]

its fairly tight, someone timed themselves doing it in the meat grinder and it took them 9.5 seconds to get 5 kills, that means you only have a 2 second window between all 5 of your kills

[errant stream]

your role is to cc hordes (with the voidstrike staff you support your team deleting the hordes directly, purgatus does the same but slower) or some high threat special with the surge staff, you are not supposed to nuke sadly...

[celest hedge]

I think the best flame staff build is around tranqulity and communion, so you want as many charges as possible so you can constantly maintain your fire

[wheat wren]

I'd been focusing on bursting specials and elites on lvl 3 difficulty and below and cc for hordes. Level 4+ CC is the only thing I can do.

I usually use a surge staff

[toxic forge]

PoV The Psyker and her pet Ogryn 2 manning a Heresy mission (Spoiler heresy is still bugged for endless hordes)

[hot ice]

If it makes you feel better, BB is really good at finishing off already damaged specials that are fleeing

[signal turret]

Counted in my head popping in a horde w/ Kinetic Barrage buff, definitely should've gotten it. I'm just going to try 1 more time and go back to ignoring penances if I dont get it lol

[hot ice]

Since no matter how godly your veteran buddy is, he cant shoot through solid walls

[wheat wren]

It seems odd that one of the jobs we were supposed to specialize in was nerfed on the challenging difficulties. Maybe I've been viewing the psykers role incorrectly.

[celest hedge]

veteran has to be outside cover to do damage, and the enemy has to be out of cover too, for a psyker they barely have to be out of cover and you barely have to peak to start the BB

[olive ember]

you are killing elite enemies right? the pingable kind idk thats the only other thing I can think of

[toxic forge]

was that with no quelling

[errant stream]

although i can understand the surge staff is useful don't use only that (i think it is too boring being the support slut), sometimes a voidstrike staff is more useful at that difficulty, surge staff shine more with a organised group but when you are alone voidstrike and purgatus are what carry your games

[viscid matrix]

His bullets are not blocked by a fence like our bb is

[hot ice]

Its not that we arent bad at special/elite killing, its the simple fact that the veteran can do it faster and more effectively

[signal turret]

Yes, I have tagging bound to my attack key as well to point them out quickly

[hot ice]

Yeah they need to fix our BB targeting

[wheat wren]

So the vets job is to kill the specials/elites. We're just supposed to handle the snipers then?

[olive ember]

dunno then but I can assure you its do able on heresy, unless something got bugged out by today's patch (I saw someone get pick n mix from heresy like 2 days ago)

[wheat wren]

aside from cc

[celest hedge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=d7130b1a-42ea-4c2e-9a3a-6bc34b2977bb
also finally able to make my purge build in the build makre

[hot ice]

Yeah, but a decent vet would've already killed the sniper before you BB it

[toxic forge]

Vet's job is to kill everything, don't get it twisted

[olive ember]

handle snipers? that takes too long the vet can kill it 3x faster

[errant stream]

not even them usually, most of the time crushers and armored ragers

[viscid matrix]

If we have time to use bb on any sniper, the vet is either busy or not doing thier job

[wheat wren]

I haven't locked in with many vets that can kill the sniper before I have a chance

[olive ember]

your job is support cc, I find most of the time I bb gunners, and armored units like crushers, maulers, bulwarks. Occasionally i'll also bb ragers

[leaden comet]

Anyone got Heresey Penance advice?

[olive ember]

might be their loadout but a lasgun vet can point and click a sniper in like 2 seconds

[wheat wren]

Ok. That makes a lot more sense compared to how I thought the class was supposed to be played.

[hot ice]

The veterans who know whats up will use the lasgun

[viscid matrix]

Have a team to help you do it, by either holding the agro

[hot ice]

Most consistent weapon they have

[olive ember]

what they can't do is aim reasonably well while 5 gunners and two reapers are trained on them, and thats where the behind the wall lock on BB come in handy imo

[hot ice]

And its dmg and ammo efficiency is crazy

[leaden comet]

Yeah, just seemed kinda impossible with randoms, they wont chill on the boss, lol.

[errant stream]

oh and we also do a shit ton of dmg to Assassination mission bosses with the force sword, use its special attack while doing an heavy attack on the health of the boss, you will delete half of his health in malice and 1/4 in heresy+ with a single hit

[olive ember]

I found a lfg group who was willing to help with achieves and we basically rushed heresy to a daemon host and then had a shield ogryn tank it and cheese

[leaden comet]

I hadn't even considered the Daemon Host counting actually, that's smart.

[hot ice]

^

I should do that with my friends...

[olive ember]

it was... not fun I think we achievement hunted from 12 AM to 6 AM, I'm still missing pick n mix and gotta find another group

[leaden comet]

Yeah, so many of these just feel like such a pain to do.

[hot ice]

Some of the penances are legit antithetical to teamplay

Its bullshit

[leaden comet]

You mean exploding myself for a Penance isn't good teamplay? 😛

[candid temple]

"just have friends"

[hot ice]

Like it feels like you are griefing to do some of these penances

[worn jewel]

Thats the point; its supposed to be ridiculous so you go to the cash store instead

same reason why a hood cost 165k

[polar gulch]

zealot's penances at least feel a lot more organic, something I can get done without going out of my way to find premade teams

psyker's just plain suck

[hot ice]

To be fair it costing ordo dockets is a non issue, thats grindable

[viscid matrix]

We are the Glass

[leaden comet]

Zealot has the easiest set to do really. "Don't use a ranged weapon"

Really? lmao.

[viscid matrix]

We don’t have a cannon

[hot ice]

Some of veteran's penances suck ass as well

[errant stream]

you make your team "git gud" if you force them to carry your ass because you made yourself explode, so indeed it is teamplay /s

[hot ice]

One of them is you being a deadweight since you effectively arent allowed to use your ranged weapon for majority of the mission to take out ranged threats

[tiny sonnet]

Thoughts?

[viscid matrix]

Ours require the team to sit and wait or hold agro while you do the crazy thing

[errant stream]

wait... wasn't the cap 20%? wtf?

[worn jewel]

Lol no

[polar gulch]

that penance is just a good cover for when you accidentally explode

[celest hedge]

alot of the veteran ones are fairly high skilled if done legitimately

[olive ember]

that one requires you to "not fire a bullet" and the flamer doesn't count so you can freely run that achievement by bringing a flamer

[viscid matrix]

Get it, hopefully you get gunner resist next

[olive ember]

unless they patched it out

[hot ice]

Patched

[viscid matrix]

Requires skill is fine

Psyker requires luck and your teams mates literally to wait or hold agro and watch you do it

[polar gulch]

does it count if you join mid-game or do you need to be in the lobby too

[wicked grove]

You mean the preacher one where you spend a full mission without firing a single shot?

[hot ice]

One of them sticks out, the 100% accuracy one with no ammo by the end

[viscid matrix]

Flamer doesn’t count as bullets

[wicked grove]

You can cheese those

[hot ice]

How?

[viscid matrix]

Not anymore

[wicked grove]

You leave the match before extraction.

[viscid matrix]

They fixed the cheese

[leaden comet]

They fixed that.

[wicked grove]

Welp. I got those done before the cheese got patched

So. Rip ig

[cyan notch]

why are there like 700 people named kerillian

[wicked grove]

The fuckin vet one for 100% accuracy is bs.

[hot ice]

I luckily got the no dmg from melee on veteran before they patched the exploit

Lmao

[echo parrot]

Got this, worth using?

[viscid matrix]

I’m curious, since assassination targets count as monstrosities, if you do bb solo kill, does the shield count as health? Or can your allies drop the shield for you?

[wicked grove]

I got both the no melee damage and the accuracy one done before the exploit patch.

[celest hedge]

head hunter autoguns kind of aren't great

[hot ice]

Thats what i was talking about, its so shit, if you want to consistently get it you need to get something like a revolver and not do veteran things, aka go wild with ranged

[celest hedge]

an infantry autogun has a way better ammo and damage ratio, plus better fire rate too

[wicked grove]

Yup....just dumb.

On a class that regenerates ammo.

[echo parrot]

Not a fan of the infantry autogun, kicks around too much

[celest hedge]

the headhunter has more daamge per bullet but barely anymore, and like less than half the ammo it feels

[hot ice]

Ahahaha i forgot thats a thing

[wicked grove]

You need to have zero ammo, and 100% accuracy

[wicked grove]

Use a plas gun

It's low ammo

[viscid matrix]

Bolter or plasma work for that achievment, just don’t be in range when the elites are killed in the last section and don’t miss

Easy

[hot ice]

Cant be arsed trying to get it, my veteran looks drippy enough

[celest hedge]

I think it depends on the autogun, columnus has a big fire rate and higher spread, but a agripinaa I think is a good middle ghround

[wicked grove]

I cheesed it lmao

[hot ice]

And im having more fun on psyker anyway

[wicked grove]

Wanna know what's worse?

[viscid matrix]

Go to #veteran-class to bitch about the penance

[wicked grove]

The paid stuff looks better than the drip from that penance

[celest hedge]

graia autoguns also feel nice, I don't know what's different about it and the agripinaa one is

[viscid matrix]

We talking about psyker being harder and not requiring skill, only luck and team who helps

[tidal scroll]

but not everyone can own the penance stuff

[wicked grove]

It's not really harder.

As a vet main psyker is kinda easy.

You have a ult that pushes

Horde clear. Elite/special pop

A force sword

[viscid matrix]

You know what, I’m just blocking you, cause that’s not what I’m talking about

[hot ice]

[cyan notch]

hes talking about psyker challenges not the character lol

[wicked grove]

I mean...I also did most of the psyker challenges as well

I'm doing the ones for the Heresy difficulty

[rapid frigate]

Sll the penances are dumb i am not doing them

[wicked grove]

It's not too hard?

[rapid frigate]

The only worthwhile rewards are rhe black vet pants and the ogryn shirt with a star on the back

[wicked grove]

Now the problem is hit reg and BB not going to the target I want.

[viscid matrix]

So question about monstrosities and the solo bb kill, since assassination targets count for the weekly, it will probably count for bb kill

Does the shield count as hp for the penance or can the shield be dropped by allies?

[wicked grove]

Malleus Monstronum is a hassle but with a group? Not hard.

[hot ice]

Most of the time the targets i want to BB are slightly taller pr just taller than the trash, so i just jump and the lock on with BB

Works most of the time

[wicked grove]

Thanks! I've been struggling getting snipers when they're hiding in the far corners xD

Those fuckers really annoy me

[hot ice]

Not to mention if you ping what you want to BB you get an outline on what ur targeting

[wicked grove]

Pick and Mix I can see is hard.

But if you chain BB it shouldn't be difficult

Def not puggable

[edgy cedar]

pinging it also makes it more likely someone else just kills it lol

which sucks

[hot ice]

True, but you get the same result, which is it being dead

[jovial quail]

I do wish BB prioritized ping enemies heavily, nothing worse than a sniper in the background and like 3 ragers coming at you

[wicked grove]

Could be BB is preferring what is closer?

[hot ice]

While annoying, if its pingable its a more deadly threat than trash so good thing its dead fast

[ornate hamlet]

love not being able to bb a sniper cause theres 100 normal ass enemies that eat every attempt

[jovial quail]

It just priotises the biggest threat in a group of enemies iirc

[wicked grove]

It should def prioritize elites and specials

[hot ice]

Even better, when the most sophisticated barrier is in the way; a fence

Protects even against warp magic

[ornate hamlet]

a fence that you can clearly see them through, but for some reason acts as a solid wall

[wicked grove]

Omfg....I hate that. I see the sniper. Why can't I BB

[ornate hamlet]

and cannot be targetted through

[candid temple]

void staff goes through the normal ass enemies

[jovial quail]

But idk if all elites have the same priority or not, like imo a sniper should always be 100 priority, and like ragers 65% and shotgunners 45% or something

[wicked grove]

Ogryns like what 50?

[hot ice]

BB should prioritise pinged enemies

Thats it

[jovial quail]

Yea or even lower since they'd easily be targetted due to their height

[ornate hamlet]

then u dodge out with it precharged and get 1 tapped before it reaches him

[hot ice]

Makes it more reliable

[jovial quail]

like if you want to BB a ogryn it should be an obvious attempt at him specifically

if you're BB'ing at chest height though it should prioritise the rager in front of him

[hot ice]

BBing an ogryn isnt that hard, unless its a specific ogryn amongst multiple ogryns

[edgy cedar]

I would prefer htem to negative. lol

[hot ice]

They are bigger after all

[edgy cedar]

they suck up BBs due to their size

[wicked grove]

I mean if you're aiming around an ogryn

Of course it'll target due to aim assist

[celest hedge]

ogryns I feel are nice BB targets since they tend to be armored and thus hard for other people to take down

they general require a fair bit of ammo to kill unless you're using like a plasma gun or something

[wicked grove]

Most vets run bolters or anti elite stuff in higher tiers

Bolters/Plasgun/Anti Elite Lasgun

[hot ice]

They should be using the lasgun, most consistent one imo

[wicked grove]

I prefer Bolt guns and Plas gun

I love my Kentraek Mk12

But I get bored of "meta"

[hot ice]

Fair enough

[wicked grove]

Also Plas gun fucks up bosses

[deft heart]

why are all our talents so boring

[wicked grove]

Which...in Heresy I'm seeing people just FAIL at bosses

[hot ice]

Any zealot with a flamethrower or psyker with flame staff can do the same

Flame stacks OP

[wicked grove]

Like why am I doing more damage against bosses than a vet.

[edgy cedar]

I dont feel purge burns bosses nearly as much as the flamer does

not sure why

[wicked grove]

Why am I doing more damage to bosses than a fucking zealot.

[long wharf]

because the soulblaze dot damage is garbage

[hot ice]

I dont think it does, but it still does a lot

[wicked grove]

I am glad FS made Cliffhanger be 7 instead of 20.

That is a fucking miracle

[harsh cobalt]

just passing by from vet channel. Wanted to ask. Lvl 30 psyker with autopistol hogging all the ammo is trolling, right? Or I'm missing something

[hot ice]

Has to be

[edgy cedar]

I fail to see just about any reason to run a non-staff psyker

[ruby sorrel]

7 is too low, 15 could be already fine

[edgy cedar]

just be a vet if you want to use a gun lol

[hot ice]

This

[wicked grove]

15 is a bit rough.

[edgy cedar]

its still a poorly designed penace either way lol

[wicked grove]

Horde density is rough on lower difficulty

[edgy cedar]

throwing enemies of ledges is really not its main use

[wicked grove]

Especially since people chunk hordes

[hot ice]

Lmao

[celest hedge]

auto pistol is a fine horde clearing option but by level 30 you'd be able to get your hand on a staff

[hot ice]

Funnily enough, i havent done this penance yet, I keep forgetting its something i need to do

[wicked grove]

Minimum a decent purple purgatory staff

[edgy cedar]

general ammo supply does not seem particularly balanced around 4 actual ammo uses anyway

[wicked grove]

I need to do Pick and Mix as well as Monstorum

[edgy cedar]

which is even funnier

[celest hedge]

you'd have 22 levels to get any staff

[rapid frigate]

The push used to be a lot stronger

[wicked grove]

Then after that is just missions

I need to get a group going so I can knock those 2 penances out

[hot ice]

Im guessing cause ammo boxes are a thing

Because it contains 400% ammo

[wicked grove]

Wtf.

[celest hedge]

seemingly enough for everyone to each get a full refill

[hot ice]

What i mean is that when someone uses it, that person uses up some of that %, eventually people will use up the 400%

[ruby sorrel]

It's not, even with bots u could this, but 7 as for me a bit anfair for people who did it with 20

[hot ice]

So like if i have a lasgun and Im missing 50% of my max ammo, it will use up 50%

[celest hedge]

15 is barely any less from 20

[hot ice]

At least thats how it seems to work

[wicked grove]

Tbh it's unfair I did the full penance for veteran. And the drip you pay for. Looks cooler.

[hot ice]

All the way until the 400% is used up

[wicked grove]

Like seriously.

I had to suffer through 20+ lobbies

Just to get the full accuracy

[hot ice]

Sounds not fun

Which is why im not doing it on my vet

[wicked grove]

I had to quite literally grief 10 of those

[hot ice]

[wicked grove]

Quit and re-enter

And when I got back it was over.

Or when I did the reset I missed one of my shots

Like...it punishes a class designed to regen ammo.

[hot ice]

On god

[wicked grove]

So you not only stay out of coherency. You have to play against your team.

Actively refuse to do the thing the class is designed to do.

[celest hedge]

don't you get ammo on a elite kill no matter what, even if you didn't kill it and you're not by any teammates?

[wicked grove]

At least psyker..stays within the confines of playing with your team

[wicked grove]

Yup.

[sweet lynx]

I'm level 22. I feel im ready for heresy. I haven't used a staff up until this point. which staff should I use?

[wicked grove]

so you can't even do the thing you need to do

[celest hedge]

so the only thing that's missed out on any elite kill is if anyone but the sharpshooter gets the ammo

[hot ice]

From what I can remember, at least Vermintide has little to none of these anti-teamplay challenges, at least to the degree some penances are in DT

[celest hedge]

zealot and ogryn have fine ones I feel

[hot ice]

Get to 25 or 30 at the very least

[edgy cedar]

try them and find out? lol

[wicked grove]

The psyker is actually tolerable.

[hot ice]

If you want to have a better time

[wicked grove]

The challenges make sense for psyker.

Veteran penances...just don't bother.

[sweet lynx]

the shop hasn't even allowed me to try the electric one (which I hear is the best)

[rapid frigate]

No the brain burst challenge is extremely dumb

[tired cosmos]

Can anyone help me as a new psyker. Do I concentrate on purely powering up my psychic ability and if so what percent so I power it to before I use it

[wicked grove]

Just have your team lower the hp (don't kill)

[celest hedge]

i don't like needing to be level 30 for some of them

[sweet lynx]

I have so many level 5 and unders in my games I felt I needed to progress

[wicked grove]

And literally just get it done

With a group? It isn't hard.

[rapid frigate]

That's not how that works

[hot ice]

Thats part of the charm of malice, you gotta pick up slack for what could be a noob

[edgy cedar]

Just do [insert awkward teamplay requiring thing that wouldnt naturally occur]

[bold maple]

where are these lv 5

all I matched with are lv 30

[sweet lynx]

haha okie. I'll keep grinding here! Don't want to grief people!

[rapid frigate]

They're out there

[wicked grove]

I mean I had level 10 as a level 20 psyker in a Heresy game.

[rapid frigate]

Can be pretty annoying

[wicked grove]

Full prison gear

I was crying.

[hot ice]

Although dont be afraid to do heresy if you think ur ready, just be warned its bugged rn and all heresy mission are high-intensity i think

[bold maple]

I havent seen any under lv 20 for past week

but then im NA lol

[magic hull]

their spirit makes the emperor proud

[potent echo]

What if they were vt2 pro

[wicked grove]

Level up to a reasonable level

[hot ice]

Doesnt matter, at some point actual game levels matter

[sweet lynx]

I've sat in an empty lobby for long periods of time and only got a single level 12 to play with me once, it didn't end well xD

[bold maple]

tbf if you're a vt2 pro

level doesnt matter

you have dodge n melee

[boreal crystal]

does our 15% cooldown ability at lvl 15 work only when we kill things, or when anyone within range does? and does it reduce cooldown for everyone, or just that person, and if everyone does it include me?

[hot ice]

Yeah and you'll be doing fuckall in terms of dmg/weapons you have available, especially if you are at the lvl minimum for heresy

[wicked grove]

I mean I'm doing heresy at 20.

I can clear heresy. Sure it ain't pretty but I don't go down that much

[dim pier]

Once you hit level 30 I think you get tossed into your own matchmaking pool where you’ll only be matched with other 30s or close

[hot ice]

More useful than a bot, sure, but it really doesnt sound that fun

[dim pier]

Unless you’re queueing with someone below 27?

[hot ice]

Cause DT is honestly harder than V2 rn

[wicked grove]

The ranged damage makes DT harder

You get chipped so easy

[hot ice]

Less solo-clutch potential

[bold maple]

DT is harder only cause of the wonky fuckery fatshark thing

not cause it's inherently harder lol

[sweet lynx]

@hot ice sry im singling you out but you seem friendly and helpful. I've been using the fire staff which i hear is the worst. I've tried all but the lighting one. I HATE the void one. thoughts?

[hot ice]

Bruh void staff is so good ahahaha

[bold maple]

bugs, stupid spawn, all that

[wicked grove]

You can't just Zealot your way with low hp in DT.

[hot ice]

Implying V2 still doesnt have bugged spawns

[wicked grove]

Not a fan of Voidstaff either

[dim pier]

Fire staff definitely isn’t the worst, just needs a build around it. Lightning is amazing for supporting anti-elite/special/non horde groups.

[bold maple]

yes im implying that cause im simping for kerillian

[edgy cedar]

implying its not the same spawn systeml ol

[hot ice]

Trauma staff is the worst, flame is alright to good and has its moments

[magic hull]

lightning is best support staff

it sucks at horde control

[bold maple]

flame is goated if you have 2 thumb and dodge as you channel

[dim pier]

Yeah lightning guarantees staggering on any enemy excluding bosses

[bold maple]

voidstrike n surge is very forgiving to play with tho

[wicked grove]

Oof

[hot ice]

I put dodge on my shift like V2, i just need to press with my lower pinky and i slide dodge

[edgy cedar]

perils weakpoint voidstrike and just infinitely shoot lel

[boreal crystal]

fire staff is the best at horde clearing, but that is basically all it's good (or even worth swapping to) for, so I am really conflicted about bringing it. I would say any group needs 1 flamer whehter it's psyker or zealot, for the huge hordes at later difficulties

lightning is the best for utility because of infinite aoe stun of things nothing else can stun, it's ridiculous, and not even bad damage, and shoots at range unlike flame staff

Void feels GREAT with the chargeup hits slicing through tons of guys with suppresion and knockback, if you hate it yous hould give it another try

[magic hull]

firestaff suffers with range units

[dim pier]

I like the flame staff but honestly can’t use it for like 1 or 2 rounds cuz eyesore

[hot ice]

But your veteran should pick up the slack

[magic hull]

voidstrike is like jack of all trades

[hot ice]

Aka his job

[boreal crystal]

eveyrone should just be charging the ranged units, not really concerned about that

[hot ice]

[bold maple]

have faith in your team

[edgy cedar]

Relying on others? classic mistake

[sly marsh]

i feel like voids damage is so lackluster in 4-5 tho

[bold maple]

specialising instead of being jack of all trade is key to success

[hot ice]

Which is why i play with my friends who know what their role is

[bold maple]

you have friends?

gtfo

[magic hull]

trauma staff is basically crowd control but less flexible

[edgy cedar]

Trauma is basically worst crowd control in just about every respect

[past meteor]

Soulburn build is so fun with the Firestaff

[edgy cedar]

lol

[shadow quail]

Have you guys tried the surge animation cancelling?

[jovial quail]

@boreal crystal Flame staff can staggerlock any elite including ogyrns, specials, knock dogs off of teamates and push back boomers with a huge safety range as well. They do quite a bit more than just ad clear and CC. Its not arguable lightning staff does it better but its very limited in its max potential comparatively especially at heresy endless/damnation

I have, its alright, I typically hit 100% accidently with it to frequently for not amazing returns lol

[magic hull]

lightning staff easiest to use tho

aimbot

[jovial quail]

Oh no arguments there at all

[edgy cedar]

They are all easy to use lol

[boreal crystal]

I tried flame staff, it did not push back boomers or ogryns, did they change that?

[past meteor]

Trauma is the easiest, you just hold x in the inventory screen

[jovial quail]

It's just at a certain point it doesnt pull its own weight with flamestaff being able to do with it does as well albiet shorter ranges and more dedication. But it has significantly more potential

[dim pier]

It has better stagger on the left click than it does the right

[edgy cedar]

implying im scrapping anything.

[hot ice]

Flame staff might not be the best, but burning heretics makes me feel things inside

[jovial quail]

Yeah you just wanna left click with flamestaff when a boomer jumps

[edgy cedar]

100% they add scrap to items later lol

[boreal crystal]

yeah I am referring to the left click puff... I tried specifically to push back the bursters with it and couldn't

[magic hull]

flame staff is good for heresy levels

[jovial quail]

to staggerlock with flame staff never hold down flame, you just rapidly tap light attacks

[hot ice]

Has to be midjump i believe

[faint sigil]

can anyone link me to the website with the blessings on each weapon

[hot ice]

Same with pushing them, they need to be midjump

[dim pier]

Really, was that before the stagger immunity poxburster change? Cuz I consistently push them back soon as their detonation starts

[boreal crystal]

so not like lightning which staggers and pushes it back and stuns while running?

[jovial quail]

You can also quick charge too against gunners and such with it but only full charge against normal horde

Yea no it requires timing

Flamestaff requires more skill but a much better payout

[sand dune]

I'm sure this has been asked, but what is the score cap on a grey weapon?

[jovial quail]

and the skill tbh isn't bad small learning curve

[boreal crystal]

we think 400

[dim pier]

380 confirmed, 400 theorized

[sand dune]

thank you!

[edgy cedar]

man it sure feels so odd to get rid of hero power as a concept

[jovial quail]

Like while its amazing for ad clear and good at staggerlocking and all that stuff, imo the thing it truly shines the most is during really bad split horde waves, you can just 360 spin and lock down entire hordes for all 3 teamates

so that no one gets chip damaged

[edgy cedar]

really would just instantly fix blaze/burst lol

[dim pier]

Search up Darktide Gamelanterns, can’t get it right now cuz phone

[wicked grove]

Surge Staff seems like a step down vs purgation staff

[jovial quail]

It is in almost every aspect imo, purge requires more attention, timing and a variable of other things but it truly excells in tons of things and synergies extremely well with talents like ascendant blaze.

[edgy cedar]

purge with secondary cant be cancelled is basically self-playing

lol

[scarlet lily]

everyone is all about the staff, but the force sword is hands down whacky

[jovial quail]

Yea lol I really want that and supresses all enemies within 9m too

[edgy cedar]

I would relaly enjoy a more akin to the flame sword

but nope, only one type of force sword

[jovial quail]

I just can't give up +3 lacerate knife for kiting lol

[edgy cedar]

and its basically just a worse powersword

[scarlet lily]

ogryn can anchor down, force sword just walks into scabs

well, everything is a "worse powersword"

[edgy cedar]

lol

true

[dim pier]

We’re missing 2 weapons from the Psyker trailer, and one of them looks like a force weapon so yeh

Gimme my other force weapon damnit

[jovial quail]

I really want that psyker spear so bad, throwable javelin that reappears in your hand

[edgy cedar]

man sure feels like "release"

[scarlet lily]

because it's hands down the best, but it can't walk into lazfire like I can

[boreal crystal]

the fire stagger is really flaky

[jovial quail]

hopefully they bring that to vermintide as a melee option or secondary

would be a dope sniper type weapon for him

[bold maple]

hopefully we get something more than just reskinned sienna's staff

fuck staff give me something else for mages

[hot ice]

I mean something like sienna's bolt staff but in 40k would be cool

[edgy cedar]

RIP bolt staff

let me vegeta kthx

[bold maple]

how about we let you do it

but with your hands

no staff

[hot ice]

Waiting for psyker beam staff

[jovial quail]

I'll fking take a coruscation staff any god damn day though lol.

[hot ice]

I loved that on sienna

[edgy cedar]

which beam staff? launch beam staff? kek

aka tickle touch everything instantly to death

[hot ice]

Exactly

[jovial quail]

@hot ice Yeah I was thinking that would be its utility essentially in this game, maybe left click like her normal but right click you can charge it and make it go through enemies, smaller size than void ofc so it doesnt steal from it

[hot ice]

Wiggle-psyker build when?

[jovial quail]

but much more oriented towards like high single target damage

[hot ice]

[edgy cedar]

can't wait for an enemy to spawn behind me while beaming

[hot ice]

They already do

Practically

Haha

[rapid cypress]

anyone able to help with pick 'n' mix? :)

[bold maple]

20 euros

[rapid cypress]

lol **ros

[gilded viper]

So the Purge staff can't hit weak points right?

Should get deflection

[rapid cypress]

that's pretty dang good

[scarlet lily]

depending on how rebless works

buying it and redoing the precog would be nutty

[edgy cedar]

my force sword is -perils on weakpoint already lol

and to used to it now to switch

[scarlet lily]

no idea how the reblessing works though

[dim pier]

I wanna get deflection and -peril on weakpoint to use with peril block

[boreal crystal]

360 fire spin does not stagger

[scarlet lily]

left click spam for stagger

[gilded viper]

So the flame staff can't hit weak points right? Cause I got one in the shop with +weak point damage

[jovial quail]

I wish Melk's weapons always had max blessing on them, could be absolute random everything else but would at least help gurantee you getting decent blessing since you're paying like 1 and a half weeks worth of weekly currency for them

[boreal crystal]

i knwo but the claim was you could 360 right click fire stagger a horde to stop everyone from getting chipped etc.

[scarlet lily]

well you can for like, one pass

[bold maple]

I wish melk let us reroll immediately for gold like quests

instead of a shitty 24h timer

[scarlet lily]

first time they're lit on fire seems to stagger most things

[dim pier]

Even if it could, would still be a dead stat anyways, pretty sure most of your damage comes from damage over time

[jovial quail]

Yea... Sitting on 1m on Psyker with literally nothing to blow it on

[edgy cedar]

honestly deflector feels like it should be on sword by default

it even looks like a shield

[worthy wasp]

Aight... testing the mk5 Axe

[bold maple]

you been playing too much darktide lmao

[gilded viper]

Correct opinion

[jovial quail]

Like you can't even constant reroll weeklies either which sucked since I rerolled a like 25 grim one lol

[hot ice]

Buy now, save for when crafting is fully unlocked

[gilded viper]

It's more like I was just going to put in a bug report

[jovial quail]

@bold maple Won't deny that, but exclusively play Heresy so its like 20k a game with curios

[boreal crystal]

can confirm the right click after the first "shot" only lights htings on fire without tstaggering, you can't 360 to lock down or even stagger-once a group

[scarlet lily]

well with left click you can manage it

[dim pier]

Just grabbing every weapon with a blessing I want for when blessing extraction comes out

[scarlet lily]

/sometimes/

[hot ice]

While the psykhanium is a great addition, im baffled why you need to be max lvl to fully unlock all the enemies in it

[dim pier]

Oh in which case, add in staves rolling with reload speed as well if you can

[hot ice]

Seems like a non-issue even if you aren't max lvl and can have access to everything

[gilded viper]

I think they fixed that one already, unless it showed up again since launch lol

[dim pier]

Ah I don’t think I’ve seen any of them?

[teal cargo]

Can surge hit weak points?

[sweet lynx]

does suppress effect non ranged enemies?

[potent echo]

Yes

[potent echo]

Only left click

[sweet lynx]

so..... This is a very good perk, no?

[potent echo]

Depends, suppressed melee enemies crouch then you can't hit them lmao

[hot ice]

Suppression is good, but breaking LoS is easier to do really

[shadow quail]

Honestly the store is the worst part of the game atm

[sweet lynx]

okie, ty!

[snow blaze]

[edgy cedar]

big wow 4% power

but 80% resist sword is great

[gilded viper]

Damn I want Deflector

[rapid frigate]

The psyker outfits are pretty drippy

[gilded viper]

WTF does Warp Resistance DO?!?!?!?!

[fresh reef]

Tier 4 btw lmfao

[potent echo]

That's more than 1 warpcharge

[magic hull]

is this sword worth it?

[potent echo]

No

[graceful steppe]

reduces the amount of peril you generate i believe

[rapid frigate]

But why the hell do all the psyker outfits hsve the same silly naval double breasted thing

[celest hedge]

warp resistance on a sword reduces how much warp you gain from push block and from activating the special attack I assume

[rapid frigate]

Can't I just wear a tshirt

[snow blaze]

Warp resist reduces peril cost of the special and push attack

[gilded viper]

That's it? So it reduces the stuff that only has like a peril cost of 12 and 5 to something even less relevant?

[fresh reef]

I love how the squishy "glass cannon" class can facetank a witch no problem

It is quite comical

[gilded viper]

Peril for blocking is good stuff

Still need to find a deflector force sword tho

[jagged jay]

I'm sure it gets asked a lot, but what are the best feats for psyker?

[rapid frigate]

They should just give all psykers deflector

[hot ice]

Peril res is pretty good, dont downplay it

[fresh reef]

Inb4 they nerf peril block

[hot ice]

Allows you to use your staffs more before venting

Or purging

Whatever

[rapid frigate]

Hehe

[fresh reef]

Quelling

[gilded viper]

Sure on staves, but the sword I'd rather have quell speed as an available stat

[hot ice]

Quelling, there you go

[jagged jay]

no consensus on what feats are best?

[hot ice]

I forgot the word

[scarlet lily]

depends on how you wanna play

bb cd reduction on push is fun

[hot ice]

Lvl20 is kinetic deflection, no contest there

Others are pretty much dependent on your staff and/or playstyle

[scarlet lily]

Even better with deflection force sword, but probably good for any weapon

[fresh reef]

Personally I think Quietude is best in slot for T1

[gilded viper]

There is an argument for ranged dr if you lack a deflection weapon or situational awareness

[fresh reef]

Kek

[gilded viper]

Yah Quelling Toughness regen is my go to

Peril resistance for my lvl 10

[hot ice]

This works great with a deflector force sword

[jagged jay]

Kk. Was looking at the feats and the one that lets you move normally while quelling seemed fun.

[sour bison]

lol such low rating for great purgatus

[hot ice]

Infinite toughness even against a horde, ezgg

[jagged jay]

oh wait, that competes with the one u said lel

[snow blaze]

depends on playstyle, but a few are kinda dog compared to other choices, like Wrack and Ruin/Kinetic Overload/Quicken are fairly bad

[hot ice]

No point, staves quell so fast anyway

[gilded viper]

likely cause the lowish quell speed

[boreal crystal]

I use the "toughness on warp charge" because I'm getting warp charges frequently ish due to the 4% proc and ascendent blaze and auto brainburst

[sour bison]

yeah but purgatus dont actually heat much

[gilded viper]

Me when Ranald hates me

[hot ice]

Only time i can think of this being good is if you ONLY quell with BB

[fresh reef]

I like +damage with peril for T2, but I've been thinking of trying out the soulblaze feat in that slot

[hot ice]

But why would you do that

When you have staff

Staff good

[gilded viper]

Soulblaze damage is iffy is the issue

[warped linden]

depends on your build

[young zinc]

so ive been hearing a good number of poeple say physker isnt fun to play past difficulty 2, not nesssarily cuz physker is bad, but rather cuz physker is boring and other classes do what physker does better, id like to hear thoughts from poeple who have put a lot of time into pkysker

[snow blaze]

Soulblaze needs like at least 4 stacks to be decent,

[boreal crystal]

soulblaze damage is only worth it if you are using purgatus staff

[scarlet lily]

I think its the most enjoyable

[fresh reef]

I wouldn't be relying on it, so much as getting a lucky brain burst on a rager and killing the trash around in when I'm swarmed

[hot ice]

Im in the same boat, im still on the hunt for a deflector forcesword

[gilded viper]

Sure but you switch to the staff to quell anything, brain burst, force sword, your blocking stuff, not just the purge's peril

[fresh reef]

All the T2 feats are kinda meh

[boreal crystal]

I think you might have to upgrade force swords to et deflector

[hot ice]

A psyker is a cc machine

[boreal crystal]

like its perk tier won't appear on store bought blues I think

[gilded viper]

It's a blessing so it's entirely random whether you receive it or not

[snow blaze]

I'm personally loving psyker, it's fun as hell and can perform fine if played well

[jagged jay]

only quell with BB? Heh?

[scarlet lily]

force sword push is also nutty

[gilded viper]

I think psyker is fine, people just won't shut up about Vet

[fresh reef]

I got a deflector in the shop once. All of its bars were fuckin 50% and below lmao

[gilded viper]

Sad

[boreal crystal]

ah cool

[scarlet lily]

Vet is great, but we do not need any ammo

[hot ice]

You can quell perils with a force sword, staves, or when you have BB out

[warped linden]

the problem is psyker isn't what it was advertized to be.

[hot ice]

You will quell much faster with a staff that has high quell speed over BB

[boreal crystal]

whjat was it advertised to be lol

[young zinc]

how so?

[jagged jay]

I don't know what BB is.

[fresh reef]

Sure, you can take out range targets more efficiently

But can you do it infinitely?

[gilded viper]

Brain Burst

[mint burrow]

How important is the damage stat on the purgatus?

[hot ice]

Brain burst, sorry

[warped linden]

it was advertized as a high risk high damage class not a cc bot

[jagged jay]

Ooooooh

[snow blaze]

Brain Burst, your G

[scarlet lily]

I just wish it had more head popping with the basic attack stuff- Fine since past 3 theres not many specials that instant die from it

[urban quartz]

what curios we running now did toughness really get tweaked

[warped linden]

they nerfed in the beta it used to one shot head pop anything but ogryn

[jagged jay]

For my lvl 5 feat I'm unsure if it's better to get the BB toughness replenishment or just the kill enemy one.

[hot ice]

You can still do high damage, its just that veterans will do your job against elites/specials better than you can

[boreal crystal]

fire doesn't interrupt/stagger maulers if they're in attack animations

[scarlet lily]

Itd be cool if it scaled off rating

[young zinc]

that makes sense, though physkers design does seem kinda werid cuz all the CC stuff comes from staffs, while brainbrust doesnt keep up on higher difficulties from what ive heard

[fresh reef]

Toughness on Quell is best imo

[jagged jay]

O rlly?

[fresh reef]

On demand toughness regen, yeah

[warped linden]

they basically nerfed everything funa bout psyker in the beta

including like, all of its percentages

[hot ice]

Toughness on gaining warp stack is pretty good too

[boreal crystal]

does it work if you have nothing to quell

[hot ice]

I like using it

[boreal crystal]

i almost never quell

[fresh reef]

?

[warped linden]

the one that gives you stacks for coherancy kills was 10% at one point

[scarlet lily]

You can build up peril easily to quell

[young zinc]

can ya give an ignorant vet main details?

[gilded viper]

For whoever was asking about what talents I'd recommend on Psyker. It goes 3,2,1,1,3,3

[boreal crystal]

yes i can spend even more time building up peril to spend time quelilng to get my shield back...

[warped linden]

and they also increased how fast peril builds up

[celest hedge]

toughness on warp charge doesn't work wel until level 15, toughness on quell is always useful and lets you gain toughness in a ton of ways

[scarlet lily]

it happens during fights

[hot ice]

Complete non issue

[mild iron]

how much does mobility matter on a Mk V axe?

[gilded viper]

Psyker can't take too many hits, mobility is a good stat

[hot ice]

You can quell peril super fast, and you can spam BB as long as you quell to 97% after each use

[scarlet lily]

||deflector||

[fresh reef]

Peril block

[boreal crystal]

% depends on your peril resist

[young zinc]

from what ive seen the main issue with physker is that BB is kinda.... illrevant on higher difficulites, or at least isnt fun to use

[compact galleon]

i would only take toughness of warp charge if you use a force weapon otherwise you take the toughness on quell

[mild iron]

is why i ask

[young zinc]

and that they rely on spesific weapons too much

[warped linden]

lot of heresy and damnations groups won't even take psykers

[celest hedge]

with a staff you can quell super fast, passive quelling is nice and means that you can switch and fight in melee for awhile and let it build over time on top of the toughness from teammates and kills, you get toughness if you use your ult to quell, and you have the 10% chance to quell on kill

[hot ice]

It falls off at heresy+ but its still useful for finishing off damaged specials that like to play hide and seek

[warped linden]

because another vet is better than you

[fresh reef]

Just like other blitz abilities, it has its moments

[hollow nebula]

What would you guys say best 30 feat is?

[gilded viper]

That's stupid

[fresh reef]

Those moments particularly being against Ogryn enemies

[scarlet lily]

it destroys snipers at all difficulties

[gilded viper]

shut

[jagged jay]

I'm finding I like the lightning staff a lot, even though it's deceptively easier to blow myself up compared to other staffs. Is it good in the meta or should I use another staff?

[hot ice]

A vet will destroy a sniper faster than BB

[warped linden]

Oh I agree, but minmaxers gonna be minmaxers

[gilded viper]

I think meta right now is void or purge staff, surge is fine for staggering

[scarlet lily]

vets run and cower when the laser comes out

[warped linden]

woops replied to wrong person

[fresh reef]

True but they have more risk of getting shot

[scarlet lily]

lock on slide and pop

[ivory zealot]

The kamekameha staff is pretty good, like artillary without range limitation

[boreal crystal]

meanwhile on 2nd monitor a psyker coaches a 3 psyker 1 vet group on diff 5

[hot ice]

??? You are more of a risk of eating shit since youre busy charging up BB and not dealing with the horde in front of you

[boreal crystal]

but yeah get better friends in that case

[fresh reef]

Psyker has the advantage of being able to stagger them out of a shot at long range with their ability, making getting the BB lock and ducking into cover a breeze

[scarlet lily]

dodge

[hot ice]

Ofc you can dodge but the point is, you arent damaging the horde

[jagged jay]

Im finding surge a good middle ground between horde and elite killing. Kills horde with a few spams, and staggers elites for my team.

[hot ice]

Aka what you should be doing

And letting the veteran do his job

[scarlet lily]

sniper threats pretty wild

[fresh reef]

You just standing in an open field with no cover?

[warped linden]

a lot doesn't mean all

[gilded viper]

The psyker can take out specials/elites wtf you on about?

[boreal crystal]

veteran's job is to charge into the ranged guys with the rest of the team 😄

[hot ice]

The thing is, if you can spare the time to BB a sniper, the veteran is most likely free as well

[scarlet lily]

and mag dump every horde

[hot ice]

And he is faster than you at killing it

[gilded viper]

I'd prefer the vet shoot all the damn lasguns and scabs with stubbers

[scarlet lily]

he is busy killing the other specials

we are being aware and taking out the hidey boy

[young zinc]

see I think what fatshark was trying to do was have physkers main thing with BB be dealing with tough enemies, paricualy ones with super armor, but its too slow and doesnt damage scale enough to do that better than vet at higher levels, and ogryn and vets flamer do CC better, which is what the staffs are meant for.

[hot ice]

And you, as the psyker, are bjsy doing CC

*busy

[boreal crystal]

there are no dudes with guns because you melee charge

[jagged jay]

btw do y'all use the force sword as your melee weapon of choice or is it's psychic abilities not worth it compared to other stuff?

[young zinc]

sorry zelots flamer

[gilded viper]

Why can't we have a nice conversation without the lol psyker bad fucks showing up?

[scarlet lily]

Or one power sword

[hot ice]

Point is, if you have free time to BB, the veteran is free as well, because you arent needing to keep trash off the veteran

[fresh reef]

Alternatively, the vet has a power sword kek

[compact galleon]

i dunno man psyker is fine most staves are fine im doing well not even joining groups on difficulty 5

[boreal crystal]

when the horde comes out, the veteran keeps the trash off me for flamethrower

[hot ice]

And then the vet is busy in melee and not doing his job

[scarlet lily]

this**

[young zinc]

im not saying phjysker is unviable,. not at all, if he was groups seriously taking physker into damnation and heresy wouldnt exist, but physker seems kinda outclasses

[gilded viper]

Why is the vet's job to be pampered to his every whim and never use his damn melee?

[fresh reef]

You say "doing his job" like that's physically the only thing a vet can do

[bold maple]

motherfucker do be making division of labour in a game

[celest hedge]

i don't mind the speed of brain burst but even a small 20% faster charge rate would go a long way. Barrage sounds nice but I don't think the 25% is enough, the main thing you'd probably feel is the reduced peril cost

[boreal crystal]

stop worrying about jobs

sniping shooters is a mistake if it's not cleaning up the ones that didn't get drawn into melee

[scarlet lily]

vet is tanky and fine on their own in a group to do their job

[bold maple]

everyone's job is to enjoy the game, we aren't ai

[hot ice]

Because the veteran is objectively better at any other class in taking out threats from a distance

[fresh reef]

True!

[tender cipher]

Up until the veteran isn't.

[radiant jolt]

These blessings tho

[bold maple]

who give a fuck, let them melee if they want

[hot ice]

Thats the thing, it depends on their skill

[tender cipher]

You seeeeeee there are SO MANY UNFORTUNATE things about this game.

[celest hedge]

psyker on higher difficulty seems very support base, so shock staff, laceration, probably flayer for lac

[edgy cedar]

veterasns pretty amazing at basically everything lol

[hot ice]

^

[tender cipher]

"VETERANS ARE SO GOOD LOOK AT ME HURR DURR" and an Ogryn gets in his way

[fresh reef]

Subjectively, Veteran is also prone to missing

[tender cipher]

And then it's like "LOL"

[fresh reef]

[edgy cedar]

like you can basically full melee as veteran and chances are you'd take a green circle or two lol

[scarlet lily]

power sword don't miss

[gilded viper]

Isn't purge's most damage dot? can the dot crit?

[scarlet lily]

[radiant jolt]

You can crit with the flames

[tender cipher]

"Oh LOOK AT ME SO GUD I CAN SNIPE WITH GUNZ ... " up until a million pox walkers are blocking the sniper who is going "KEKEKE"

[hot ice]

If you wanna go down this road, we psykers get cockblocked by fences

[celest hedge]

warp flurry feels nice on a purge staff

[edgy cedar]

if only the buff was like obvious

[hot ice]

Ofc the vet can miss, he can also not miss

[edgy cedar]

maybe with some kind fucking buff icon

[bold maple]

I read that as warp furry

[tender cipher]

Everyone does.

[celest hedge]

even if you only charge for like a single second rather than doing full charges, it's a noticable difference when you chain them

[young zinc]

yeah coming from someone who uses it, the power sword is a bit much, its special makes hordes and elites... kinda not exist anymore

[boreal crystal]

eah power sword is ridic

[uncut violet]

Emperor, please save my mind from the horrors of the Warp Furries, guide my path towards salvation

[hot ice]

Last time i checked we are more at risk to not having BB lock on from a fence and people can shoot through it

[left hare]

i'm not complaining because the vets i play with keep dying anyway

[celest hedge]

power sword cleave is worth the second it takes to charge it up, especially since unlike other charge weapons you can get a few heavy swings before you have to charge it again

[tender cipher]

You have a void staff, learn to aim it.

[gilded viper]

Why are you jerking off the vet in the psyker channel anyhow? Go back to the sharpshooter channel

[fresh reef]

Ong

[hot ice]

Damn bro, since when was void staff the only staff we have

[scarlet lily]

it charges faster than our force animation

[young zinc]

I get what they were going for the PS, a cleave machine, the porblem is that other than against super armor, it ends up being good eagainst everything

[tender cipher]

Since you're talking about Vet being objectively better at ranged than Psykers (or any class for that matter).

[hot ice]

Im not, i love the psyker, but you cannot tell me the vet can take out specials faster than us

[scarlet lily]

Yeah but it's boring and not every vet can hit the sniper

[tender cipher]

So, I give you a simple scenario in which case the psyker is better.

Therefore, you're objectively wrong.

[scarlet lily]

hypothetical situations suck

[fresh reef]

Agree

[tender cipher]

They happen pretty frequently unfortunately.

[worthy wasp]

Aight, my loadout completely flipped since earlier today. Went from Force Sword + Void Staff to Antax MK V + Surge

[tender cipher]

From ogryns body blocking to pox walkers blocking the sniper.

[scarlet lily]

are we playing the same game?

[gilded viper]

hypothetically what if the sun blew up? there. dumb arguments solved

[uncut violet]

Limz spends all day in the Psyker channel being a Vet apologist, dw about it

[tender cipher]

To OTHER elites blocking the sniper.

[scarlet lily]

never had the ogryn issue, pretty sure it wasa skill issue

that being said.. deflector small shield..

[celest hedge]

what if the world was made of pudding

[tender cipher]

Yeah it's a skill issue when the ogryn wanders into the vet.

[worthy wasp]

Yo whoever it was hyping up Antax over FS earlier...... great suggestion

[scarlet lily]

The vet should be in the back sniping the snipers

[celest hedge]

anyone can block your range shots, it's just that ogryns are more likely to do so, and vets are more likely to be using guns

[fresh reef]

Dude combat axe fucks

[tender cipher]

Void staff, for whatever reason, goes through.

[celest hedge]

being able to shoot through people with the rumbler/GG as ogryn is nice, and same with staves

[bold maple]

my fav combo is ogryn shield + flame staff on a horde

[tender cipher]

Yeah, sure, but why even run with a Vet who has to be careful about positioning? Just run with two psykers and two zealots and form a death ball.

[worthy wasp]

It depends on your playstyle... but I def think there is an argument for antax mkv >>> force sword

[fresh reef]

Bullets = ❌
Angry bubble of warp energy = ✅

[tender cipher]

There's a handful of you who are so keen on downplaying the psyker it's amazing.

[celest hedge]

combat axes feel as slow as glue to me, the easy 1 shots is nice but it's just so sluggish

[bold maple]

if we dont whine loud enough fatshark wont buff us, shush

[celest hedge]

especially pretty much all are them are pure single target swings

[bold maple]

now whine about how bad everything is

[left hare]

angry bubble of warp energy = 🚫
Lightning perma stun = ✅

[worthy wasp]

I found that vs ranged enemies I dont have my melee out.... so deflector tends to go unused at times...

And Antax dunks on elites like Force Sword (arguably better?) but the push attack cleaves like a boss

[fresh reef]

If we must whine I'm gonna whine about crafting

[gilded viper]

Why do we need a buff? Psyker does fine in Damnation

[scarlet lily]

I will whine about plasteel

being rarer than diameth

[compact galleon]

i always get the axes with either mass ignroe or cleave for that reason

[celest hedge]

i never found the push attack on a force sword to ever be useful

[scarlet lily]

With deflector it is great

[hot ice]

Still assmad about full crafting being locked

[fresh reef]

I want my god damn deflector on a good sword Obese Fish and I want it NOW

[hot ice]

Why FS

[scarlet lily]

Imagine bunker down ogryn that can move

[random brook]

it can literally knock any elite on its ass

[hot ice]

Why do this

[scarlet lily]

o-only once though for a bit

at least with mine

[bold maple]

cause crafting dev is busy touching himself at night

[gilded viper]

Force Sword Push attack ignores stagger resistance

[scarlet lily]

ragers get angry and don't stagger after the first push tho

in my experience

[fresh reef]

5'2" psyker knocking a crusher on on his ass will never not be funny to watch

[celest hedge]

i oddly don't find myself push blocking too much, I used to push block all the time in verm 2, which is why I always ran shields

[scarlet lily]

I do it when surrounded

lets you move through things

[worthy wasp]

Ye, I feel like Antax pairs well with Surge Staff for this reason.

You CC lock everything and if you get pressured/are last man standing then Antax is absolutely clutch

[scarlet lily]

Kinda like your force push

[left hare]

yeah i do it when surrounded

I also do it to reset my attach chain

[tender cipher]

If anything let's whine, collectively, about the itemization in the game and the bugs. Together. Instead of devolving into class warfare.

[worthy wasp]

Antax MKV feels like a true anti-everything weapon

[scarlet lily]

Lets you shimmy while pushing

[left hare]

I think i'll give antax a try

[scarlet lily]

as long as heretics die, all that matters

[bold maple]

go to general chat for that, we're in psyker channel

this is for class whining

[hot ice]

Speaking of pushing, it took me a while to adjust at the start when dodging stops stamina regen

[fresh reef]

Really with surge? I find that it's better with a stagger staff

[tender cipher]

No one from Fatshark reads this cesspit. 😦

[random brook]

to be honest the class does suck, take away surge staff and what are we

[worthy wasp]

If you havent tried Antax MKV, I highly suggest it.

Push attack vs hordes, literally anything vs elites

[hot ice]

A small change really shook up how i did melee

[tender cipher]

Go play a Ogryn then, it's more suited for you.

[young zinc]

see my thought is the staffs should be focused on applying debuffs and CC, but mainly debuffs, while BB spesificly focuses in armor, spesificly that BB ignores armor.

The porblem is that the staffs need a bit more varitey in the types of debuffs they apply, and BB is too slow and unfun to use for many poeple. As to how to fix BB, id make it so that it goes off much faster, perhaps instantly, but cuases more peril, and does enough damage to keep up to vet on higher levels

[random brook]

how is it more suited for me?

[celest hedge]

I always liked dodging left and right as I horde cleared with my melee, even if I don't actually need to be dodging it just feels nice

[scarlet lily]

A pretty good tank

[hot ice]

Fr

Dodge dancing is in my blood thanks to V2

[random brook]

that is true, until damnation and even heresy :P

[celest hedge]

like it more here than when I do it in verm 2, but i'm feeling not being hand maiden and having the passive dodge distance, i'm just waiting for a class with that as a passive or trait

[compact galleon]

i dunno what u guys are talking about psykers have really good staves ppl say only surge is viable personally i can run most staves no issue

[scarlet lily]

Deflector/peril block is pretty easy on heresy

[worthy wasp]

I'd say every 10 peril quelled should have a % chance to make your next BB instant cast

[scarlet lily]

When we get this chest

[hot ice]

Everything but trauma is good

[compact galleon]

trauma is good too

[cobalt tartan]

hey y'all im having trouble with "Mind Over Matter (2)" Says im missing a mission type but im pretty sure Ive played every mission, any help?

[scarlet lily]

Have you played other classes

[rapid cypress]

difficulty

type

[compact galleon]

i like it with chain faster perk on it and it goes boom boom

[hot ice]

Really? I might’ve been playing like shit, it didnt vibe with me

[compact galleon]

you are just grenading everything FOR FREE

[random brook]

yeah it's pretty good if you fully rely on your team on hordes

[celest hedge]

I do like how every feat tier at least has something fairly unique, we don't have feat tiers that are just generic stat boosts like WHC's tier 25 feats

[scarlet lily]

The one in the picture has wirey arms.. Need it..

[hot ice]

Clearly you havent then hahaha

[fresh reef]

Trauma is good, but generally speaking it's a slightly worse Voidstrike

[round charm]

why is the blue showing lower damage with better bars?

[young zinc]

perhaps you could be able to store charges of isntant cast BB by quelling or some other action, meaning you can always have instant cast if you manage properly, or dump them all on a big target like a crusher, but then have to deal with the cast time?

[scarlet lily]

Force sword is prettttty good against basic hordes

[fresh reef]

Unless you have high ground on a horde, then it's really fun

[celest hedge]

trauma doesn't feel as nice as it did in verm

[scarlet lily]

the shove nutty, the block nutty, and force sword dodge

[round charm]

oh, thats trauma, derp

[cobalt tartan]

theres no way to see what i havent done yet huh, i am going through and doing all types of missions again to double check

[random brook]

@scarlet lily it's alright, but its unreliable. You can survive, but clearing the horde yourself either takes ages or you take damage

[round charm]

i highlighted the wrong one

[scarlet lily]

I can't comment on like high hordes damnation, but the only issue really comes up when there's like

[hot ice]

Its probably espionage or that other one that refuses to pop up most of the time that ur missing

[scarlet lily]

7 ragers in a horde, and then you just use your stagger stick

[cobalt tartan]

yeah the first two i tried were Investigation and Espionage

[random brook]

@scarlet lily I use to use a force sword too, i still use it sometimes

[hot ice]

Disruption?

[worthy wasp]

Feel like Force Sword wants to be complemented with Void or Purg. Deflector really does allow you to gap close and make excellent use of Purg in particular... or line up baller Void charged attacked

[tender cipher]

Force Sword is there to HELP YOUR TEAMMATES UP.

[scarlet lily]

Nutty axe

[random brook]

this

[cobalt tartan]

have a little sticky note on my desktop as i go through them again

[scarlet lily]

Force sword is also crazy block rezzing yeah

[tender cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-kill-me-now-arnold-schwarzenegger-predator-gif-16554610

And also to be a BIG DISTRACTION (ALL CAPS)

[hot ice]

Raid is another one

[worthy wasp]

Bruh

[scarlet lily]

Veterans think they are the main protagonists, but here I stand, all lazguns on me

[cobalt tartan]

yeah im just going through all 7, maybe i missed one or its bugged somehow, was wondering if there was a way to see

[hot ice]

Repair

And assassination

[young zinc]

personaly im a hipster who uses the MKIII hellbore with a crits build instead of the recon lasguns and bolters everyone seems to be running

[cobalt tartan]

yes i know all the mission types lol i just dont know which one i havent done

[scarlet lily]

If you haven't done missions on other classes, you can check the missions tab to kinda get an idea of what you haven't done a lot- In penances

[random brook]

whats up

[hot ice]

Is that the lucius?

[cobalt tartan]

unfortunately i have played every class a little bit lol, everyone is around level 20 with my psyker being 30, thanks though

[young zinc]

correct, the MKII hellbore is the spesific variant

MKIII

[hot ice]

I like the lucius, but i dont like the sights

[random brook]

Idk conversial take, all the staffs fucking suck other than surge. Void is pointless, wave clearing hordes is easy enough with power sword, antax axe, flame thrower, etc. Trauma is unreliable, and flame does too little damage to ever matter. Hold on guys i'll fully charge my staff 3 times to clear this horde

[wicked grove]

The iron sights are meh

[left hare]

Antax is light spam for hoardes and non armored specials while heavies is for armored?

anyone know how many dodges before dodge decay btw

[young zinc]

I think fatshark changed them in the release build, adding side prongs on the front, at least for the MKIII, which is a good change but pisses me off personaly cuz my brain had already adapted to the gutter sight on its own and now I miss all the time cuz I think one of the side prongs is the main sight

[hot ice]

Flame staff slander >:(

[random brook]

this is wrong, antax is push attack for hordes, heavy for armored, light for maniacs

[wicked grove]

Hes just mad cuz he lost his 5th heresy in a row

[twilit mantle]

is that real

[wicked grove]

Yus

[left hare]

yes dodge decay from vtide2

[twilit mantle]

Wtf

[wicked grove]

Because people dodge too much

[hot ice]

Depends on weapon

[wicked grove]

Makes bosses a joke

[random brook]

I want it to be good but it's just not :(

[left hare]

like knives have big dodge distance and dodge decay

[twilit mantle]

No shit, it's dodging

[left hare]

i asked about antax

[hot ice]

Oh

Then idk

Lmao

[worthy wasp]

The Antax Bible

[left hare]

force sword is very quick dodge decay i think

like 2-3 and ur donezo

[young zinc]

whats the antax?