psyker-class

[vivid merlin]

thanks I hate it

[silk magnet]

33% reduced toughness from ranged or no movement speed while quelling? Feel like I'm at max stacks pretty constantly from Psychic Communion and the only thing that really gives me trouble are masses of gunners

[mild lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-stressed-priestess-anime-you-get-used-to-it-gif-13752108

[teal cargo]

oof so now cant tell how well we did 😢

or if we were useless

[mild lotus]

dmg reduction

[hard breach]

As fun as psyker is sometimes is so fun to hop on zealot or sharpshooter and run a good old fashion Shotgun

[silk magnet]

Cool, ty

[weak galleon]

It's up to you, really.
Both of them are "weaker" than the third option, but there are exceptions.

[pale matrix]

anyone know if Pysker's going to recieve a buff?

[shell radish]

maybe

[hot surge]

in like 20, finishing dailies in another game, then if you dont mine only running scrips (my last weekly), then sure

[fading jewel]

do i have to use force sword and lightning or flame staff build to be viable? i just wanna use knife and like revolver or las gun

[bold maple]

it's so much more fun to have guns to shoot again ngl

cause staff feels meh

[sour jetty]

OI, GITZ! Da boiz in da #veteran-class wants tah kno if ya slobs call each othah siblings still wen ya date each othah or if ya change da namez! Also. Dun forget ya tank Da Big'Unz in da #ogryn-class ya! Its anOrdah from me!

[warm carbon]

This Is An Official Veteran Survey Team Inquiry

[bold maple]

where's the translation servitor

[drifting spoke]

hey does anyone know a good way to get a group for penances to help each other?

[warm carbon]

Don't disrespect the Sarge's speech impediment

[sour jetty]

Ya dun speak gothic? Ya un hairy-tick?

[drifting spoke]

who let the Ogryn in? He's going to break the chairs

[tropic halo]

Wrong channel, Ogryn. The rations are over in the #ogryn-class section of the ship.

[manic bluff]

wait i thougth psykers learn high gothic... can they no longer speak low gothic after?

we need to know the sibling thing

[magic gull]

if its not a griefing penance that would wipe a team, most teammates would help if you let them know b4. but also could try in the VOX LFG channel, might take a while tho, most people there just doing normal strike team stuff

[brave vale]

There is so much good information here lmfao

[hard breach]

We have guests, siblings! Where did my beloved put the rations?

[brave vale]

What's the best way to top DPS on a boss or monstrosity as a psyker? Warp sword special, or just spamming brain burst?

[mild lotus]

All linked by a common open door to the marvels of the aeterium, we are all siblings under the mothership of the universe.

[drifting spoke]

yeah those are the ones I have trouble with..I'm a competent player but have to play like an idiot if I want to blow myself up in QP. Doesn't feel good so I stopped after a few tries even with people being ok with me trying

[sour jetty]

Ya gitz fink im an Ogryn? Im da zogging Sargit Mah'jor of da Mooringstah! I give ya lotz missions

[past shuttle]

Literally impossible to know, since we don't have any way to track it

[sour jetty]

Diz git getz it. So ya do. Yer lot r buncha weirdboiz

[shadow quail]

surge can put out ridiculous dama ge with animation cancelling

[mild lotus]

This git can turn you into gourmet grade rotiserie Squig if you look at this git "fooney". Beware.

[hard breach]

Who let in the Xenos? Should I purge it, siblings?

[midnight kiln]

Tip for Pick N' Mix?

[mild lotus]

Yes, use brain burst

[sour jetty]

Datz treason gainst da Warbozz Emprsh!

[midnight kiln]

Omg really? Damn, didnt know

Tysm

[drifting spoke]

pray for emprah's blessing

[mild lotus]

any time

[midnight kiln]

More tips?

[mild lotus]

the 3rd feat at the end of the tree is mandatory

[magic gull]

and use right click, so you can still charge it up while you searching for the specialist. and just M1 when you find it

helped me

[mild lotus]

By the way, if some of you didn't know, charging a brain burst with m2 will build 55% peril instead of the usual 45% if you detonate it as soon as it's charged.

[midnight kiln]

Yeah but i try to solo it cause i have no one to help me, but i cant one shot the big guys so i always end up leaving and restart hoping for shotgunners or something that i can kill

[stone sage]

is there a quick way to make gold like selling a item?

[burnt python]

i dont know what to think of this

[hard breach]

I am a loyal servant of the throne you are xenos! Unless you can prove you were invited, ork. I am within my right to purge you

[mild lotus]

Yes, go into your arsenal and select a weapon. Press x to discard it.

[burnt python]

the quell speed is somethin

[mild lotus]

Probably a freebooter

[stone sage]

thank you life saver

[sour jetty]

Ya can ask, Zola, Hadron, and dat Nob, Rannik,. I am Sargit Mah'jor Marr-Ohs of the Mooring Stah! I serve da Warbozz Emprah n da shiny thrown!

[hard breach]

By the Emperor, sibling. What is grendyl thinking?

[midnight kiln]

Is there a map with more shotgunner spawn rate or something? So its easier for the Pick N Mix penance

[mild lotus]

Try the beginning of the assassination mission that takes you to the prison.

Sometimes a fair amount of specials spawns right as you drop from the beginning pipes.

be ready for a lot of common mob as well

[deft heart]

finally got this stupid hat

not worth it, kinda looks dumb

[neon parrot]

Whys brain burst suck? Anyone else completely shelving this abilty?

[burnt python]

i mean you're just crippling yourself if y ou shelf it, but yeah it could use some love

[midnight kiln]

the psycker sucks, that's mostly the problem

[deft heart]

brain burst sucks cause the damage doesnt scale and it takes too long to cast, veteran can kill the same elite in like 1-2 shots with lasgun

[mild lotus]

I old myself from using any headgear, it makes you go bald and I don't want that.

[stone sage]

True

[woven wigeon]

Brain burst is still good in damnation

Not as good as a Veteran shooting, ye

[deft heart]

not really

[neon parrot]

I can kill faster with my forcesword anything id want to bb

[woven wigeon]

But it still lets you play very safe against shooters

[burnt python]

lol range?

come on now

[lethal lagoon]

I've saved so many runs with BB, obviously in a shooting range situation it

[woven wigeon]

And since it's infinite range, you can play certain annoying engagements very safe

[lethal lagoon]

it's not the best, but that's not life

[stone sage]

im going full crowd control and armor killer

[mild lotus]

It's exceedingly good against bulwarks as well as debuffing enemies with that one feat that increases any subsequent dmg by 15%

[neon parrot]

If its ranged just shoot it with your staff.. still faster than bb

[woven wigeon]

It goes from a primary tool early game to a utility tool later

With staff taking over your primary

[jovial quail]

Anyone know how to get rid of the cosmetic notification? I've equipped literally every single thing including stances and it still won't go away lol

[mild lotus]

mobs move and duck in cover

[lethal lagoon]

BB is also great if everyone else is dead.

[woven wigeon]

Staff in Damnation is great against clumped shooters, not so good against spaced out shooters

eEspecially when they're embedded in cover

[gilded cave]

got this problem on my zealot, no idea how to fix it

[mild lotus]

I have the same issue, no fix I know can solve it

[neon parrot]

Im kinda sad by it, even the bb build doesnt change the fact that it just doesnt kill things

[stone sage]

might be bugged

[weary mountain]

any good?

[woven wigeon]

It kills specific things

Shooters/all regular mobs

Gunners

Snipers

[neon parrot]

Shoot all of those with your staff

[woven wigeon]

It also lets you contribute against Ogryns quite well

[jovial quail]

Rip. Might have to get on each character and look through all their things too, hopefully might fix it

[meager pulsar]

psyker doesnt suck it's just not really just a special killer. it kills a few specials way safer than any other class, it has insane cc and defense w/ force sword, and depending on alternate weapon can do a few things but voidstrike i feel has the most utility. long range aoe, close range aoe, sniping. bb could use love and a few feats should be baked in (4% chance for warp charge for example) but it's not BAD

[woven wigeon]

Against gunners?

[acoustic spade]

umm

[woven wigeon]

That's a lot of voidstrike shots on Damnation

[mild lotus]

It's alright, could be better but the important stats are okay

[acoustic spade]

Mobile lightning?

[woven wigeon]

Way slower than BB

[burnt python]

cmon you're just being dense to argue lol, if you can't think of a situation where bb is better than staff left click then idk what to tell ya

[woven wigeon]

Like, if they're clumped, sure

[zinc phoenix]

With the f key trait you can get off a bunch of BB fast which is nice for nuking shieldgryn or crusher

[tacit tide]

whats yalls favorite staff

[meager pulsar]

Void.Strike

[woven wigeon]

But it's still a utility tool

[burnt python]

void strike gang

[neon parrot]

Void or surge

[woven wigeon]

Imo warp charges are more oddly designed than brain blast

[lean moth]

do you guys think this is worth upgrading

[woven wigeon]

People just expect the wrong thing from brain blast

[tacit tide]

that the ball one or the big circle on the floor one

[zinc phoenix]

Void is ridiculously superior

[meager pulsar]

ball one

[neon parrot]

Yeah ill use it occasionally against a crusher or bulwark, but honestly i wouldnt against gunners

[woven wigeon]

Surge still has its niche

[burnt python]

space balls

[mild lotus]

too little finesse imo

[woven wigeon]

It's great in premade teams I imagine

[meager pulsar]

void is broken rn literally it uses the wrong peril generation

[mild lotus]

the other stats are great

[woven wigeon]

When I say gunners I mean the elites

[burnt python]

how so?

[neon parrot]

I know

[mild lotus]

keep it in the reserve just incase it may be used alter for something else

[lean moth]

i figured, just wasnt sure how big finesse would be all in all

[tacit tide]

voidstrike is fun for hordes watching you leave a wake of smoking corpses

[zinc phoenix]

It’s also good for specials that do something annoying and run away like bomber or trapper or whatever r

[woven wigeon]

Then that's risky haha

[silk magnet]

Broken as in worse than its supposed to be or broke as in better than its supposed to be?

[woven wigeon]

If it's a bunch of gunners spaced out

[jovial quail]

For anything Heresy/Damnation especially endless hordes I still swear by flame staff, being able to short charge and just flail your mouse around hitting hundreds of mobs keeping them stagger locked off all 3 of your teammates in a 360 position is invaluable. Not to mention light attack spamming with it will stagger lock any elite/special, and knock dogs off teamates. It's only weaknesses imo are spread out gunners and mutants.

[neon parrot]

Thats true also

[meager pulsar]

it uses primary fire peril gen for secondary. it should generate 15% after a release not 5%

[brave vale]

how to animation cancel

[woven wigeon]

I'd much rather kill them with brain blast

Since voidstrikew ould take ages to kill them

[mild lotus]

finesse alters your swing speed aswell as your damage and damage on crit and weak spot

pretty big deal imo

[flat moat]

what are curios ?

[meager pulsar]

so void charge level + 15% not + 5% so quite a difference

but either way it's the most utility

[lean moth]

wait i didnt know that, thought was just weak spot dmg TIL

[neon parrot]

I mostly only use surge staff if i go into heresy, so im mostly ccing for my team( we a premaid)

[mild lotus]

check the stat out in the inspection menu

it'll tell you all it modifies

[burnt python]

delete lmao

[meager pulsar]

lel already reported. i feel like 15% may be too much but 10 would be fine

[low summit]

What's the best way to do cliffhanger?

[neon parrot]

Surge staff wrecks gunner more than others for whatever reason, so ive not considered bb them

[burnt python]

15 would make it a lot harder to u se on 4/5

[lean moth]

do you think if the first target and finesse were swapped it'd be worth it?

[woven wigeon]

Oh sure, Surge would be better than BB against gunners if you're in range

[burnt python]

surge gets big dmg bonus vs flak

[woven wigeon]

But that's not always

[mild lotus]

pushing enemies in a pit is a good way

[low summit]

What map?

[woven wigeon]

There's a lot of really annoying engagements where lots of gunners tend to spawn at range

[mild lotus]

no, you need both to maximize your dmg

[woven wigeon]

Like the start of that Torrent map

[meager pulsar]

i feel like if it becomes 15 yea. you wont be able to just spam it for cc like you can now. you'll really want FULL charges

[neon parrot]

Thats what I suspected since it seems way better vs scabs than dregs

[burnt python]

ya it doesnt feel great on dreg missions

[mild lotus]

you can pass on warp resistance and mobility(not too much though) but damage, finesse and first target are non negotiable to my mind

[zinc phoenix]

So if you use BB for what it’s good at it’s pretty good:

• hiding behind a wall from a shooter blob and BBing them from cover
• lvl 30 trait that gives you speed BB lets you speed kill the heaviest enemies at minimal time or peril cost
• BBing running specials so they can’t come back and annoy team

[burnt python]

the lvl 30 trait is perfect for the lil shotgunner squads that spawn on heresy/damn

[lethal lagoon]

BB on bombers is pretty huge. Bombers can easily cause a wipe.

[mild lotus]

*staggering bulwarks
*debuffing enemies
*removing a hefty chunk of brain(health) from a big mob

[tight saddle]

Just did a Malice run on my Zealot alt and the 3 Psykers on my team weren't using Staffs saying they suck and are useless. So sad.

[neon parrot]

I found myself liking the stacks of soul blaze to your ability at lvl 30, since im angry at bb

[lean moth]

ah i see, thanks for the advice

[mild lotus]

*deleting retreating enemies

[burnt python]

do you run the dmg bonus vs communion? hows it feel

[meager pulsar]

agreed oddball. i really wish instead of a charge and pop it was more of a stacking DoT you charge that once you hit the full bar kills extremely quickly but it's probably too late to change something so drastically now

[woven wigeon]

Also, if you grab the feat that gives toughness on warp charge

[zinc phoenix]

I also really like the combo of warp charge from kill coherency, warp charge randomly from strike and warp charge gives you a chonky toughness regen. Combo that with peril block and dueling sword and you’re quite the dank tank even on heresy because you can zip around and infinity block stuff (+ dump your peril with F key for a mass KD into void strike)

[woven wigeon]

You're quite tanky while fighting with BB

It's a good safe option when needed

[teal cargo]

Is surge zap better dmg than BB?

Unlimited power 👀

[burnt python]

naw

[mild lotus]

tbh, I hardly feel it but i 'm tired of seeing my teams wipe and overall run away while doing nothing when a boss spawns in

[woven wigeon]

Depends on the target, and you'd also want to factor in AoE

[mild lotus]

so I take any boost I can get

[woven wigeon]

Generally, no

Against one target

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not better/worse, surge is for something totally different: causing newbie psykers to pop 😂

[burnt python]

probably the best contribution we can make in monster fights, pop that and pull out force sword

or just control horde lol

[mild lotus]

if it allows to kill a daemonhost before two people ineluctably die then it's a win in my book

[neon parrot]

Yeah, feel weak against monsters

[zinc phoenix]

Sucks tbh

[burnt python]

ya monster fights feel p bad as psyk

[candid temple]

🤔

[neon parrot]

Boss fight though you feel different

[silk magnet]

I feel fine fighting bosses? Just spam 5% BBs

[burnt python]

bb barely tickles bosses on 4/5

[candid temple]

or force sword special

[meager pulsar]

monster fight = force sword special attack spam

[mild lotus]

it should have a visible feedback on the mobs the debuff is active on

[neon parrot]

Yeah, use force sword on bosses, huge chunk dmg

[jolly whale]

for monster fights i just spam weakpoints with the force staff and that feels fine

[burnt python]

ya force sword special is way to go but it's still less contribution than what others can do

[mild lotus]

you can't even tell if you psyker is running the feat unless they tell you so

[teal cargo]

what if you not using Force Sword?

[meager pulsar]

suffer

[burnt python]

control the horde and pretend boss doesnt exist lol

[meager pulsar]

hope youre using the meme recon lasgun with bb on shoot build

[neon parrot]

If you get it in after team puts in dmg, right before he shields back up..its awesome

[mild lotus]

heresy

[zinc phoenix]

Axe better imo. Especially the mk vii that lets you bounce around like a dueling sword maniac while having respectable AP

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo it's not needed

[timber shale]

Honestly Psykinetic’s Aura is so good I can’t see running either of the other level 15 feats

[mild lotus]

the FSword is way too cool to use anything else

[burnt python]

it feels good but its just straight worse than the chainsword at the same job

[silk magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gtfo-get-out-of-here-gif-6207127

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo you can use force sword, antax axe, combat knife, dueling sword, all are valid

[meager pulsar]

have fs confirmed if we're getting a force greatsword?

[teal needle]

Ax is just so comfy, although force sword technically safer

[neon parrot]

I cant leave the force sword, we are one

[burnt python]

i've been surprised that one isn't getting more attention

[devout belfry]

👆🏻

[shadow quail]

the fsword with surge is great

[meager pulsar]

bcs thats what i rly want

[teal cargo]

I see, im using Rapier

the mk5 dueling

[meager pulsar]

gimme force greatsword with charge attack being aoe sweep

[shadow quail]

you can animation cancel those surge strikes and melt people

[meager pulsar]

same bubble block and push attack pls

[neon parrot]

Yep

[burnt python]

how are you liking it

[teal cargo]

Its pretty good

good at horde killin

[burnt python]

beent rying deflection force sword but prob going back to rapier, i just love the moveset

[candid temple]

force hammer, force greathammer, force greatsword, force dual swords, force dual daggers, please

[tight saddle]

Nah I want it to be a VT2 Elf GS Heavy Stab, but with a Force Push that does damage in a cone.

[meager pulsar]

force push and push attack being the stab, special being the wide forward sweep

[teal needle]

Am I tripping balls again or was there a dueling sword with kinetic deflection? I coulda swore

[desert lava]

Watered down psycannon when lol

[burnt python]

trippin

[teal cargo]

So surge staff is it good dps vs hordes?

[meager pulsar]

not really its mostly cc

[burnt python]

no

[teal cargo]

or like literally just for zapping shooters?

[burnt python]

zappin shooters & stunning elites/specials

[meager pulsar]

flak heavy horde or specials mixed it can do better than usual but not 'good' dps

[dusty mirage]

its for stunning anything that needs to be stunned in groups of five or less

[burnt python]

the armored scab melee go down to it quick too

[teal cargo]

Do you full charge it?

[mild lotus]

here's a grey FSword I rolled earlier in the day

[tight saddle]

Use it to CC horde mobs that might interrupt your DPSers so they can freely keep clearing without having to stop to block or dodge.

[mild lotus]

pains me to have finesse so low

[burnt python]

p much never

[jovial quail]

Has anyone gotten Surge staff with +3 soulburn on crit? I wanna see it in action so fking bad in the training room

[teal cargo]

I see

[zinc phoenix]

I just want the force

[teal cargo]

just partial zap?

[burnt python]

just keep the zap flowin

[warm meteor]

yeah the surge has weird times where its effective DPS but only vs very specific units

[teal cargo]

Unlimited Powa!

[warm meteor]

that sweet spot of low health, but wears metal armour

[elder rivet]

palpatine vibe

[burnt python]

i wish the surge had a lil more oomph behind it, feels kinda lame imo

[tight saddle]

It's okay to Charge it in some situations where spamming it won't make a difference in CC uptime. But yeah most of the time you don't charge it.

[warm meteor]

that lightning should hurt alot

[zinc phoenix]

It’d be funny if surge had inverse AP. So the more armor something wears the more damage it gets because metal conducts electricity 😂

[silk magnet]

Worth?

[warm meteor]

it does

[silk magnet]

costs 1175

[neon parrot]

Yeah,
Void is the most fun imo

[burnt python]

agreed and it aint close

[neon parrot]

It literally does exactly that to flak armor

[warm meteor]

like no joke, 70 damage vs a pox walker but one shots las team and can do hundreds of damage to a mauler per shot

[jovial quail]

Yea it fucks up anything with armor

[zinc phoenix]

Oh what 😂 that’s actually kind of dumb tho because no one has ever worn metal directly on skin. You wear a whole bunch of padding and clothes in between to avoid the worst chafing imaginable from all the little ridges in the metal

[teal cargo]

nurgle don care

[zinc phoenix]

Altho I guess cloth conducts when you get it sweaty enough

[desert lava]

The chaffing adds to the rot, so papa nurgle is happy with it

[tight saddle]

Force Lightning > Lightning

[zinc phoenix]

Nurgle sweaties with the realest drip 😂

[dusty mirage]

its safe to say that there is enough seepage for the metal to make contact with ground

[jovial quail]

They're always drenched in my teamates blood anyways, plenty of conductivity there

[bronze sierra]

@hot surge if you wanna bounce into 69 we got a spot

[warm meteor]

fevers can cause people to sweat, maybe they have fevers

[zinc phoenix]

In the 40k universe paper cuts result in fountains of blood 😂

[bronze sierra]

based surge?

[burnt python]

for the man who despises crits

[bronze sierra]

i mean if im doin surge im not doin crits

[burnt python]

i'm just joking, that is good

[bronze sierra]

got zealots for that

[burnt python]

if you could pick a dump stat that would be the one

[jovial quail]

Does anyone actually have a Purg staff with "Crit gives Soulblaze" trait? I've actively looked every day and have yet to see one pull it. Tempted to just start buying all staves and upgrade them to blue until I get one

[burnt python]

or reverse dump stat i guess

[bronze sierra]

especially with a surge

[elder rivet]

got the same but reversed 🤣

[bronze sierra]

hehe

[elder rivet]

lot of crit, low damage

[zinc phoenix]

Do it 🤴 do it for the science

[neon parrot]

That would be good

So it probably doesnt exist

[jovial quail]

I'm wondering how putting traits on weapons are going to work then, I guess it'd have to be the exact same archtype like only purg traits on purg weapons and las mk2 on las mk2 then

Might be why its delayed lol

might've realized to late that if they just let "Put gun trait on any gun" might break the game way to hard

[burnt python]

you pull the trait "off' the wweapon onto its own item

err blessing

[boreal crystal]

The flamethrower staff needs a buff I think, it's great for the horde clear but basically not worth using except if there's a huge horde

[burnt python]

so you get like a lil token or w/e that represents the blessign which can then be applied, presumably to any compatible weapon

[jovial quail]

Left click spam will stagger lock any elite/special as well. I do wish it had a better ramp up damage, not on par with flamethrower but a middle ground.

[zinc phoenix]

One day I’ll understand how to evaluate gear stats. In the mean time I’ll just tryhard my way through every situation 😂

[silk magnet]

Its range is too short

[boreal crystal]

Im' fine with the damage ramp up, it does its job of annihilating any horde

[dusty mirage]

alot of psyker seems like X but worse

[fresh reef]

Typical jack of all trades class

[burnt python]

noone clears/controls hordes as well as psyker, every other role someone can do better

[jovial quail]

I'm still masterworking useless gear just to get my power rating higher lmao, reason I have like 10 master weapons now. I'ma be real sad if it scales off of the base power rating and not your highest power rating stuff

[zinc phoenix]

If you get the trait that gives you ranged block it becomes the best tank when comboed with peril instead of stamina for blocking

[fresh reef]

Oh you poor soul

There is no power scaling like in VT

[boreal crystal]

you don't know that

[fresh reef]

It's solely base stats and buffs

[burnt python]

is that confirmed?

[fresh reef]

I've been given no reason to believe the opposite

[boreal crystal]

oh you're behind the discussion

we know that, when we talk abuot power scaling it's referring to raising "high water mark"

[jovial quail]

Yeah but in order to get higher power rating stuff, you need to keep getting higher power rating stuff from what it's been perceived as.

And higher power rating stuff has higher stats

[burnt python]

do we know that vs it being based on level?

[fresh reef]

Usually yes, but pay special attention to base stats

[burnt python]

i've seen base level 370+ stuff even while holding 300ish base gear

[boreal crystal]

we don't know

[jovial quail]

Like my level 30 zeal/vet are still only getting like 310-330 stuff, my psyker with 500 power ratings are getting much higher consistent stuff from shop at base.

[celest oar]

its removed as of offical release

[jovial quail]

Like this for instance, I check the shop on all 3 chars every hour and nothing has really came close to this in terms of base power rating on vet/zeal since I only got them to 30 and didnt really play much of them afterwards.

Which further makes me believe having a higher power rating will at bare minimum "consistently" put higher rating stuff in the shop since I still get absolute garbage alot of the times too.

[acoustic spade]

thank you emperor after I just made my surge staff orange

[burnt python]

spread the wealth

[jovial quail]

whats weird is though, the knife has 23 more base power rating but the end results are pretty comparable. By everything i've been going off of I feel like the knife should have a like 500-520 final rating

I think I read someone said that their total power rating went past what the max was said in the crafter though so that might be it.

[boreal crystal]

i'm surprised the ratings only go up to 80% rather than being distrtibution

[burnt python]

blessing level

[fading yew]

How are you supposed to play the surge staff? It seems to have an equal amount of duration no matter how long its held. I assume damage goes up the longer you charge it, but does the stun chance also increase when it's charged?

[acoustic spade]

Now I dont know which one I should actually use :P

[jovial quail]

Ohh good catch purple that makes 100% sense

Supression could definitely come in clutch, plus you're doing great damage to carapace type enemies as well, it might reach a breakpoint the other doesnt have due to the 20% buff

I'd go into the training grounds and mess at like heresy/damnation level and see if it takes 1 less charged/light charge attack to kill them with it versus the other.

[rugged narwhal]

does anyone know if the warpbattery penance is still glitched ?

[jovial quail]

Suppression imo would be better though since it doesnt hit alot of enemies anyways, it'll at least scare off the others that aren't getting stunned effectively making that surge staff CC more enemies in my head

[lethal lagoon]

@acoustic spade Warp flurry seems good, but Surge staff uses so much peril it really doesn't help much.

[burnt python]

i'd prob use the one the right, quell speed is nice for uptime

[lethal lagoon]

Have you actually timed quell speed?

There is virtual no diff between 66 and 80

[pine iris]

the 480, quell speed puts it over the top IMO. I love terrifying barrage though, good stagger

[burnt python]

nah i havent, thats lame

[lethal lagoon]

40% versus 70% is like 4.06 seconds versus 3.82 seconds at 99% peril

[mossy sonnet]

hello siblings

[lethal lagoon]

Ignore it

[burnt python]

thats so disappointing

[jovial quail]

Theres a pretty dramatic and noticeable difference in quell speed iirc especially in real situations with surge staff

[burnt python]

i wonder if it increases ramp up speed, so better at mid-peril quelling

(though that would still make it p worthless)

[lethal lagoon]

You need to time it, the stat isn't helpful. That said, I tested it pre-release, might warrant another test.

[jovial quail]

I'll need to go play around in the meat grinder though since I never use surge, might've just been a placebo effect.

[lethal lagoon]

I'll do it right now, I'm curious and have dozens of staves.

[jovial quail]

Same lol

Yea honstly it didnt feel that diff from a 53% and an 80% the initial drain felt faster but overall time felt roughly same

[pine iris]

is there a surge force sword?

[acoustic spade]

26/25

huh, is this normal

[burnt python]

it ramps like crazy so probably better for mid-combat quelling but tbh that's pretty disappointing

[jovial quail]

Yeah honestly it's a negligible stat and probably the least one to worry about.

[ruby merlin]

How's the passive quell on force swords and staves if you have warp resistance up high?

[lethal lagoon]

72% = 3.35, 29% = 4.35(I was a lil slow on the timer though on this one).

[jovial quail]

I really wanna try that surge with supression staff now, I do feel like itll give a good amount of additional CC

[pine iris]

ugh I have so many scripture runs to make ahead of me lol

[burnt python]

that makes my trauma staff nearly perfect lol

[ruby merlin]

If it's low the passive quell seems to suck on the force sword

[burnt python]

i would kill for this roll on any other staff

[ruby merlin]

I mean it's still a high dps staff if your team can use chokes

[burnt python]

what is dumb as fuck is even at max warp resist trauma can only max charge twice before blowing

[boreal crystal]

that's because it's so good!!!!!!!!!

[burnt python]

the AOE on this one is WAY bigger than the ground circle shows tho

but its doing like 30 dmg at max charge out of the circle

will still fling poxwalkers everywhere in a massive radius

[lethal lagoon]

So yeah, quell spd isn't that great, unless you are attacking a target dummy for max dps.

[ruby merlin]

@burnt python you mostly do lower charges on it, and it's very high dps on that one point.

Highest burst damage probably in the game.

(for psyker anyway)

[burnt python]

yeah its hard to pull off in 4/5 tho, you sacrifice a lot to fill a role you aren't good at anyways

[ruby merlin]

But again requires your team to use chokes, ideally on damnation so stuff actually has the HP for you to nuke

I mean 4 is easy

[burnt python]

it does less dps than you think i believe

quick charges hit like 300 on damnation

[ruby merlin]

you can do whatever on heresy and it works

[scarlet lily]

stole an ogryn by aggroing it after a drop and choked because of a dog it could have been beautiful

[ruby merlin]

It does quite high dps in the psykanium, and it feels decent on damnation if your team holds a choke.

[scarlet lily]

menace of a penance

[ruby merlin]

and it has high stagger of course

[burnt python]

i def see where it would have uses but i pug 99% of the time which makes it not viable most of the time

[ruby merlin]

Ah yeah if you pug, trauma is not great lol

[burnt python]

full charges knock down crushers so thats fun

[ruby merlin]

since nobody really funnels, they usually get funneled themselves.

[burnt python]

i really wish it staggered mutis

[mild lotus]

Siblings, important insight on the coming crafting features:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025446243431891014/1048437312381517904/image.png

[edgy cedar]

Even with a Funnel it just kidna does the same as other staves

[ruby merlin]

You can mass stagger poxbombers at least 😛

[lethal lagoon]

I can't see doing t5s with purg unless you have two psykers.

[silk magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/talladega-nights-will-ferrell-gif-4053010

When you're inspecting your BB

[burnt python]

even worse, we're talkin trauma 😄

[ruby merlin]

I mean t5 on comms, you can still use whatever you want

Pugging damnation is the fun part

[pine topaz]

Am i right to assume what works for t4 wont work for t5 ? Coz t5 is, what, pure speed running and avoiding ?

[ruby merlin]

more time to clutch etc

[edgy cedar]

honestly feel so naked using purge.

[burnt python]

nah it all translates, its more about team play than your build in that difficulty jump

[ruby merlin]

@pine topaz not really, you just clear mostly everything then push forwards.

[pine topaz]

Kk

[ruby merlin]

If you're good at melee you'll do fine

melee becomes more key the higher you go

[sonic plaza]

Do we get combat shotgun?

[ornate hamlet]

I feel bad for y’all Psykers man, y’all got the most fucked up penances

[burnt python]

melee and holding chokes instead of rushing into shit

[ruby merlin]

if you can't solo survive in a horde in melee, practice that in heresy

[lethal lagoon]

t5 is an IQ test and tests your ability to handle special elites and ranged groups. You will almost always wipe because of one of those two things. Especially if you get like 3 mutants spawning in during a tough fight.

[mild lotus]

we don't

[ruby merlin]

like how to get space, proper dodges, dodging based on audio cues etc.

[lethal lagoon]

So surge is so key

[mild lotus]

they took it from us after beta

[ruby merlin]

@lethal lagoon I kinda disagree, you can run everything, people can pug damnation since it isn't that hard.

I want damnation 3+

[sonic plaza]

Sadge, i wanna do a viable build with force sword + anything but staves

[ruby merlin]

Like in VT2

damnation alone is too easy atm

with comms you become OP

[burnt python]

no modded difficulty this time around 😦

[boreal crystal]

lol

[sonic plaza]

Currently running fsword + autopistol. Doable in heresy, havent tried in damnation

[ruby merlin]

I hope they add damnation 3+ in some official capacity

[burnt python]

auto pistol is a sleeper

[ruby merlin]

so we can watch those tourneys done by the top players again, those were neat

[burnt python]

abuse suppression mechanic

[teal cargo]

whats so good bout pistol?

[lethal lagoon]

@ruby merlin People can pug damanation, and claim anything works, because there's no scoreboard lmao. That said, I would love a higher difficulty that really can't be done with pubs, agreed.

[teal cargo]

compared to like lasguns

[burnt python]

suppresses quick so you can gap close

[jovial quail]

@celest oar Off the top of your head, do you know if people that had Blazing Spirit on surge/purg staff prior got to keep it on their staff, or did they simply just take it off of it?

[burnt python]

still fairly effective at special killing

[teal cargo]

well if get carried anything works 😆

[ruby merlin]

@lethal lagoon Yeah I mean right now it's easy enough that you don't really need really clear comms to clear, and you can run any loadout and still do okay.

[sonic plaza]

Autopistol is also good at razing hordes while being effective vs specials, range also aint too bad. Comparable to a shotty

[edgy cedar]

even withg a scoreboard people will say that lol

[ruby merlin]

Purg staff staggers decently at least

[teal cargo]

Purg looks fun

just burn em down

[burnt python]

I jsut don't see the benefits over void in that role

[pine topaz]

Fibbyjim purge staff video looks fun

[ruby merlin]

The only bad thing about purg is not staggering crushers.

@burnt python I mean it's just flavor, but technically atm any staff on damnation works, just play what you love.

[teal cargo]

even Trauma?

[ruby merlin]

Since if you do use comms it all becomes relatively trivial, you can do fun stuff and go over aggro, not play seriously and still clear.

Yep

[burnt python]

fair. I've tried to love purge, just aint for me

[ruby merlin]

Even trauma works on damnation yeah, assuming decent comms

[pine topaz]

I like lightning but t4 pugs with no comms is rough

[ruby merlin]

It has high stagger, so you have a cc mode (low charge spam) and dps mode (high charge).

Really? You can just ping them

kinda like herding cats

ping them to a choke, hold it etc, works decently.

Even if they're level 15s or whatever.

only way you can't clear heresy is if your team cannot melee at all lol.

[tight saddle]

Yeah people in Heresy are at least more likely to listen to pings.

[ruby merlin]

So they just die to hordes because they don't know what push attacks are.

[burnt python]

i haven't had much trouble pugging heresy at all, damnation has been hit or miss - usually solid groups that wipe in a heartbeat after rough speical spawns

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I like pugging damnation because I can actually fail sometimes. And you get really clutch moments where you have to try pretty hard.

[pine iris]

too many silent pub matches. I love call outs

[burnt python]

I agree, game is more fun when failure is a legit risk

its hard to even get 4 in damnation pugs rn tho

always a bot or two

[ruby merlin]

Yeah 😦

[lethal lagoon]

Watching half your team run into a ranged group, wipe, and then complain when you don't revive them is half my experience in pub t5s.

[tight saddle]

Doing Damnation with good players in comms can get a little boring since everything dies effortlessly. Whereas pugging Damnation you're forced to constantly adapt on the fly and make decisions you normally wouldn't consider just so you can make up for what randoms do or fail to do.

[burnt python]

gunners are scary af on damnation

you will melt

[pine topaz]

Is there any reason to keep running t3s when ur lvl 30... is there a more efficient way to farm mats (ignoring the weekly contracts)

[burnt python]

a good vet makes it negligable tho

[pine iris]

"deal with ranged first" knowledge has been lost to the community since release.

[ruby merlin]

well if they are zealots and ogryns, charging a ranged group before they split up and post up is a decent decision. @lethal lagoon

[pine iris]

beta folks had it down

[lethal lagoon]

I didn't mean "group" like those walking patrol spawns.

[burnt python]

just takes time, pugs will get there

[lethal lagoon]

But just an actual fuck ton of spread out ranged units

[ruby merlin]

Oh rofl

yeah that's bad

you just get crossfired into oblivion, obviously 😛

but the pugs will learn over time

[burnt python]

hypothetical - if you wanted to focus solely on gunner deletion as psyker what would you run

surge prob on scab missions

void vs dreg?

[ruby merlin]

Surge has the benefit of not having to really aim and still hitting behind cover.

[burnt python]

or just deflection and play unchained

[ruby merlin]

I think everything really works, depends on how you want to play it.

[pine iris]

BB the furthest deepest ranged enemies you can get a bead on. F down dreg gunner groups

[ruby merlin]

The force sword doesn't gel with me personally (low passive quell), and I prefer the axe due to it lol.

[jovial quail]

I'd personally run 6x stack and ascendant blaze, meets the breakpoint to kill all scab/dreg gunners

[burnt python]

i prefer mk V axe & dueling swords as well

force sword moveset feels like poo

[ruby merlin]

Yep, the antax mkv or dueling swords just feel so good.

[burnt python]

mk V dueling sword is the way to go for those models as well if you havent tried it

the heavies are amazing

[ruby merlin]

the whole push light heavy push to me isn't that fluid when you're trying to clutch IMO

[burnt python]

mk V dueling sword has the most spammable move set of any melee i've tried, there's rarely a "bad" button to throw out

[ruby merlin]

Plus it's fashionable 😄

[burnt python]

the special attack is completely pointless though lol

[pine topaz]

Imma red mage

[ruby merlin]

@burnt python I think the only point of that special is to stagger right?

[fresh reef]

Hey quick question, does the Malleous Monstronom penance work with any monstrosity or is it exclusively Beast and Plague Ogryn?

[ruby merlin]

I never use that special anyway XD

[pine iris]

I like to dodge strafe a horde while shredding them with this. once you get the range down it's effective and fun

[burnt python]

it has super low stagger

[worthy wasp]

I wish that theyd tell ppl that split from group that theyre bad when they die

[ruby merlin]

@fresh reef Works best with daemonhost

@worthy wasp Just let them die, don't res if you hate them splitting too much XD

and then later res them after the next checkpoint and they'll stay closer

[celest oar]

no idea if anyone even gotten it

[burnt python]

does it have more range than lights?

[fresh reef]

Just the answer I was looking for, ty. Time to draft a shield ogryn lol

[ruby merlin]

@fresh reef You can do it with 4 psykers!

We can perma block daemonhosts

[pine iris]

I dont know

[ruby merlin]

peril block + passive quell

[fresh reef]

While this is true, Ogryns are cool

[jovial quail]

@celest oar ahh fair gotcha thanks

[ruby merlin]

@fresh reef I'd wait for dark lights tbh, more chance of daemonhost spawning

so you can run x4 psykers and get it for everyone on that one mission IMO

most efficient

[fresh reef]

Oh really? Didn't know that had a higher chance

Good to know though, ty

[ruby merlin]

Yeah darkness on beta had 6 daemonhosts per mission or something

normally I get like 1 every 4 missions or something, so it's super rng

[stone sage]

what is the best way to get this challange ?
on malice my team mates dont care and just kill the elites.
on heresy i dont 1 shot them when exploding

[fresh reef]

Everyone in one mission? Does it count for everyone?

[burnt python]

dueling sword mk V special vs lights:

[ruby merlin]

@fresh reef It's individual, but if one mission has 4 daemonhosts, then you can do it four times

[fresh reef]

Ahh, gotcha

[ruby merlin]

so you don't have to run four heresy missions hoping for a daemonhost to spawn

[zinc phoenix]

It staggers ragers pretty well

[ruby merlin]

@stone sage get some friends, ogryns or psykers who can permablock, kill off the horde, collect 3 ragers, damage them a little bit first, then explode.

[burnt python]

it does 2 stagger vs unyielding lol

less than a light attack

[ruby merlin]

XD

[burnt python]

or are ragers maniac?

[ruby merlin]

yeah I never used it

[burnt python]

i think you've made the right decision

pretend it aint there

[ruby merlin]

I tried it a few times in beta in the psykanium and was like "Hmmm this doesn't seem to do anything? 😛 "

[potent rose]

daily vendor is offering me a 483 orange staff.... trauma 😦

has perfect perks too

[ruby merlin]

I guess it looks neat, the thrust is kinda the basic first move you learn when you learn to fence.

[burnt python]

do it, you won't

[stone sage]

😭 my friends are poor they are waiting for a sale

[ruby merlin]

@potent rose I mean it's usable if you really love it 😄

[pine iris]

I didnt realize how dangerous ragers are until recently. my groups tend to be good at deleting them

[potent rose]

I don't love the trauma staff

[burnt python]

scariest melee elite imo

[ruby merlin]

Yeah if you don't love the playstyle, don't grab it lol

[potent rose]

all the others seem better

[ruby merlin]

@pine iris it's the same in vt2, the green rats murdered a lot of people lol

[errant stream]

when do you think fatshark will release 2h sword for Psyker? the one in the spotlight trailer

[stone rune]

Any thoughts on Brain Burst? Seems too slow and weak compared to other elite single target killing abilities of say the Verteran and a boltgun...

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly it’d be both helpful for learning and thematically appropriate to have the mission’s announcer screech at you for “wasting inquisitorial resources” because you separated from the group and died… but it’d also probably make some people rage quit forever because a game called them out

[pine iris]

yes those damn green rats!!

[tall mesa]

have you done the one with the 5 different elite types you must get down within 12 s only using BB ?

[burnt python]

plague monk nightmares

[ruby merlin]

@stone rune BB is for long distance threats like snipers, or bombers who run away

[tall mesa]

on heresy obivously 😄

[ruby merlin]

ulti into bb spam vs ogryns is decent too

[potent rose]

it can kill things that run behind corners and move really fast

[stone sage]

not yet im only level 25

[stone rune]

Whats the range on BB?

[burnt python]

ulti into bb spam just feels so right into those lil shotgunner squads on damnation

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa I haven't got that one no, if you have 3 friends it's not too hard, get them to weaken 5 elites, perma block them, then bb spam them.

Ideally ragers

[pine iris]

I warned someone about going too far ahead (they werent rushing, just playing dumb) then they got hit by a dog and I got to feel smug

[zinc phoenix]

Pretty sure they’re either maniac or unarmored. But I tested it and it staggers them at good distance. It staggers pretty much nothing else so literally only use it on them 🤷‍♀️

[edgy cedar]

So kinda interesting it seems warp resistance is factored into how much the 10% random BB costs lol

[burnt python]

huh, will have to give it a go

[errant stream]

you can even do it without a group on Logistratum in Damnation, there are a lot of specials and elites there

[ruby merlin]

But if you're lucky you can get that one naturally @tall mesa , basically you just have to RNG into a situation where your pugs weaken them, and you get the kill.

[burnt python]

wouldnt be surprised if stat page is wrong

[tall mesa]

@ruby merlin i have these friends. but i m not sure. it's a very weird design for a penance. no way to do that one without purposely raising a team

[tidal scroll]

eeh just found a 510 Voidstrike Staff, i`ll take it

[valid marsh]

Would you guys say this is good?

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa do what MrJack suggested, it's probably easiest on damnation if you use BB a lot.

You'll get it eventually.

[valid marsh]

Should I upgrade it at all?

[zinc phoenix]

No it’s probably right. The special just says it ignores stagger resist while doing virtually no stagger. That’s consistent with only being able to stagger the nudist 😂

[ruby merlin]

(but that's kinda trolling your team lol)

[tall mesa]

@ruby merlin i mean they helped me get the solo monstruosity and plenty of things but that one looks annoying

[ruby merlin]

@valid marsh wrong combat axe

only the antax mkv is good IMO

the attack directions are superior

[pine iris]

The damage is low but otherwise that's a lucky roll

[edgy cedar]

damage low but pen high

which is pretty acceptable for that axe

[tall mesa]

hey thanks for the reply i missed it

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa best bet is to just run damnation with your friends probably, you'll get it eventually if a lot of ragers spawn.

[tall mesa]

i guess we ll see.

[ruby merlin]

and then if you can get your friends to not shoot the ragers, you'll be good

horde clear for you of course

[tall mesa]

it 's 5 different elites within 12 secondes only BB and killing blows.

[errant stream]

nah don't worry that's easy, remember to equip the feat that makes your BB faster and you are good to go, i did every Penance for Psyker alone (except for going out with a bang, that thing forced me to look for a group) and you can get it without problems

[tall mesa]

you don't get that randomly

[edgy cedar]

You dont

its why you ignore it and move on with life

[ruby merlin]

You get a lot of ragers on damnation to be fair.

[zinc phoenix]

Guess you’re gonna get a lot of use out of the faster BB trait 😂 I just decided it wasn’t worth the effort instead

[ruby merlin]

Also yeah remember your ulti then faster BBs

you can probably do normal bb, normal bb, normal bb, then ulti, faster bb, faster bb, and it should work.

[tall mesa]

i don't mind using that trait at all it's very effective on damnation but 5 different elites and killings blows is ridiculous

[errant stream]

the best "combo" is BB - Ult - bb bb bb bb (with the lvl 30 feat)

[tall mesa]

they intended and designed the penance to be set yp with a party

[ruby merlin]

You just need to target only ragers, and hope you don't hit a random mob

[tall mesa]

it's 5 different types of elite.

[burnt python]

it's not, text lies

[tall mesa]

oh

NIIICE

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I got 4/5 on that once while pugging

[burnt python]

and i think shotgunner squads are a better target

[errant stream]

when i did it i killed 4 ragers and 1 mutant

[ruby merlin]

and I hit only ragers

[tall mesa]

that changes everything

thanks a lot guys

[burnt python]

someone earlier said it works on malice too

idk if true

[ruby merlin]

malice might be too hard lol, not enough elites

[tall mesa]

5 random elites within 12 s is completely doable indeed

doable*

[burnt python]

lot more single hit b reakpoint options tho

[ruby merlin]

I guess if you have friends to weaken stuff then it'd be good

[burnt python]

shotgunners are 1 hit on 4/5 and spawn in 3-4 often

[tall mesa]

you re right

snipes, shotgunners trappers

[burnt python]

gunners & bombers 1 hit as well

[tall mesa]

bomber is one i d say gunners are 2

like ragers

[teal cargo]

for void staff do you full charge it?

[ruby merlin]

Poxbomber being 2 on damnation feels super bad lol

But at least you can push dodge it

[burnt python]

it's 1 unless changed on release

[errant stream]

it depends on the situation tbh

[ruby merlin]

@burnt python I meant the suicide ones.

[teal cargo]

What bout for a horde?

[burnt python]

oh yeah i misunderstood

[signal turret]

Just tried it with 3x Psykers on heresy and none of us got it. I want a refund 😦

[teal cargo]

Void doesnt zap gunners to death as fast

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I don't know the names super well haha, I know the thing that throws grenades that go on fire is called a bomber of some sort.

[errant stream]

if the horde is big and i'm in heresy/damnation i try to charge it full or near it (if i have someone that protects me)

[ruby merlin]

And I think the suicide one is a burster?

[teal cargo]

I see

[errant stream]

otherwise if you aim for the head you can spam it, in Malice you spam it anyway because nemies are "weak"

[tall mesa]

what gets me angry in dmanation is mutant.

they re so fucking annoying

[ruby merlin]

@signal turret You gotta have only ONE person BB it

[burnt python]

never realized suicide boy is missing from that list

[ruby merlin]

and the other blocks

[signal turret]

pain. lol

[ruby merlin]

@signal turret I meant you just have one psyker blocking per daemon host, one bbs, the rest clears horde.

[burnt python]

probably because it's not in the psykanarium

[ruby merlin]

Then hopefully you have x4 daemonhosts in one game

(best done in the dark map mode)

[flint turtle]

Alright it's time I ask, out with a bang, how do you get it been trying for two days lol. And how do y'all feel about the challenge

[subtle linden]

im okay with bomber as the last 😦

[signal turret]

When there are situations I could probably get it it's never on my mind

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa yeah try to chain a slide from your dodge for mutants

[tall mesa]

of you don't have a deflector psyker you can just proc de host with an ogryn and a door build.

if*

[ruby merlin]

Only reliable way to deal with them IMO

[tall mesa]

the*

[jovial quail]

I got it first try with surge staff rapid spamming light charge attacks in a damnation endless horde modifier map. I did however try multiple times with other staves and failed miserably. @flint turtle

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa You don't need deflector. Just peril block, and any melee weapon will work.

[errant stream]

take with you 2 zealots, make them use granades on 3/4 ragers to cc'em and then explode

[tall mesa]

i haven't tried face tanking an host yet

[jovial quail]

No one goes there so you can just spam damnation with modifiers and solo it super easily

[errant stream]

tbh i hate that challenge and i think it should've be the only one changed

[jovial quail]

Dont do heavy charge though or you'll potentially kill the elites

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa It's super easy, just run peril block, and dodge every now and then when you think an attack is coming

[jovial quail]

and move your main target around so it isn't focusing all damage on a single elite

[ruby merlin]

You'll never lose stamina

[violet pollen]

I'm having a hard time convincing myself that mind in motion is cool, like because I can just dodge while reducing peril but it's nice to not need to

[tall mesa]

@ruby merlin hosts are relentlessly attacking

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa Yep, doesn't matter

[tall mesa]

:p

[ruby merlin]

peril block is superior, basically just spam dodge when it's in the middle of an attack animation

[burnt python]

peril block is gonna get tuned, i'd bet on it

[ruby merlin]

and you'll dodge like 40%, which is enough for passive quell to make you infinite block

[burnt python]

its way too good

[violet pollen]

I don't really block,I shove alot

[fleet crater]

Does hip fire on a staff even work? (run and gun)

[ruby merlin]

Eh if so, we'll need a new niche lol

[errant stream]

don't give them ideas.

[ruby merlin]

I mean right now the main reason I'd take a psyker is peril block lol

Being a cc bot with surge would suck

[teal cargo]

yea its what Psyker good at

Blocking 😆

[burnt python]

i hope they dont change it but damn is it good

[ruby merlin]

If we get nerfed, I think vet should be nerfed harder so they gotta rely on teammates more 😛

[errant stream]

i think Psyker will get a full rework in some months tbh

[burnt python]

vet needs a nerf regardless lol

[errant stream]

like how they did on V2 with most classes

[teal cargo]

I see

[violet pollen]

Why a rework?

[teal cargo]

what if we buff Vet 😔

[ruby merlin]

What I really want is a dark eldar wych for a shade clone lol

[violet pollen]

Pretty great at keeping specials in check

[ruby merlin]

I loved that playstyle.

[worn jewel]

More likely we'll get a new paid subclass that will fix our gripes

[burnt python]

shade was my most played by a lot

[candid temple]

🤔 why does the right one have randomly +6 damage even though % is lower?

[bold maple]

I just want psyker to be single target nuker like they're meant to be smh

[tall mesa]

uh

[ruby merlin]

Yeah shade was so fun!

[teal cargo]

I played Handmaiden

[ruby merlin]

@candid temple First target is higher

[burnt python]

what was ur wep of choice

[teal cargo]

and Unchained

[candid temple]

ahh

[burnt python]

dual daggers guy myself, most of the time

[edgy cedar]

it is, its just force sword lol

[errant stream]

because that's their modus operandi, they did it on Vermentide 2 because they didn't like some class gimmicks, they will probably do it again because they rushed Psyker and Zealot feats

[ruby merlin]

I was originally a meta slave and went s+d, but I really like 1h sword now @burnt python

[tacit delta]

finesse

finesse bumps up the damage

[burnt python]

1h sword is fun, i like s+d a lot too, but big number make brain happy so dual daggers my fav

[tacit delta]

er or first target

maybe not finesse

[ruby merlin]

haha fair enough.

[tacit delta]

or both

[violet pollen]

I think some fears could use a bit more incentive

[dim pier]

It does

[violet pollen]

Feats

[tacit delta]

can't recall the exact modifiers

[burnt python]

also a big fan of glaive shade just because you can

[ruby merlin]

dual dagger made me click too much, and I wanted to rest my hands a bit haha.

[candid temple]

that's what macro is for

[edgy cedar]

I mean its almost like half the classes in this game has 'charge' as an ability

[ruby merlin]

macro kinda kills you sometimes on cata

[dim pier]

Yee they did say they allowed macros for that reason

[burnt python]

ive never used macros in any game, just never even tried one

[errant stream]

yes but they will remake half of them and probably they will do a mess lol like when they reworked kerillian's shape and now Sword and Dagger, her best weapon doesn't work with her best feat's ult for a bug lol

[ruby merlin]

Yeah they'd feel off to me personally.

[edgy cedar]

I macro almost everything. lol

I write my own anyway

[burnt python]

i see the appeal but eh

[ruby merlin]

I mean it's super easy to write one

just run autohotkey

[teal cargo]

Unchained with Flail is so fun

wish we had tjat

[edgy cedar]

not getting hand injuries becuas you demand clicks per second is a skill gate lol

[ruby merlin]

@edgy cedar I just run weapons that don't need clicks per second to be super high 😛

and do stretches of course.

[teal cargo]

real clicks is Slayee Dual Axe

👀

[burnt python]

tru

[edgy cedar]

just casually sitting at like 55% attack speed slayer

yeah no, not clicking that

[burnt python]

lmao

[dim pier]

Dual dagger l1 qq canceling movetech

This is fine

[teal cargo]

Speaking of, Throwing Axe Ranger dealt sooooo much FF

[burnt python]

hahaha

[teal cargo]

and BH

[edgy cedar]

and no, I won't limit the game based on that lol

[burnt python]

billhook is so sick

corny ass special attack that makes every fight easy

casually stunning an entire chaos patrol solo

[sick veldt]

do warp charges increase the damage of everything? like do they increase brain burst damage or just weapon dmg

[burnt python]

everything, though its not as good as it sounds

[errant stream]

sorry i didn't read, yeah probably... even if i would like a Skitarii more instead of a new subclass. but i know my boy isn't gonna be added to the game

[sick veldt]

yeah i know it's not super huge, was just wondering if they do increase BB damage. good to know

[edgy cedar]

I use stacks more for the perils reduction cost lol

the damage is pretty meaningless :/

[acoustic spade]

the stacks will come back

[burnt python]

theres a breakpoint they get you to here or there but yeah 90% of the time the dmg is meaningless

[worn jewel]

The voice systems makes it unlikely

[acoustic spade]

but when they are there its a bonus

[sick veldt]

i just wanna kill dogs with one BB in 4/5

[acoustic spade]

and then you get to use the lv30 perks like

[torpid girder]

What % counts as "Critical Peril"?

[acoustic spade]

90%

[torpid girder]

Ty ty

[edgy cedar]

when brain hurty

is when critical

[uncut hamlet]

yo

hear me out yall

[acoustic spade]

Come on shop, last roll of the day

I've only had the game open for 13 hours

[uncut hamlet]

wouldnt monster penance be really easy with an ogryn and daemonhost

have the ogryn aggro it

[torpid girder]

Would u say quicken or ascendant blaze is better for an AOE/CC build?

[sick veldt]

can you get the malleus monstronum challenge on an assassination mission boss

[uncut hamlet]

its 90% hp now so it doesnt matter

and then psyker just

bb's it forever

[errant stream]

that's how people cheese it

[uncut hamlet]

while ogryn shields

Yea

I need to do that

just thought of it

[sick veldt]

ah if the ogryn wakes up the daemonhost will it always target them first? good to know

[burnt python]

ppl seem to like ascendant blaze but personally i'd still go with the 3rd option even on a aoe focus build

[uncut hamlet]

before it gets patched :)

[uncut hamlet]

always targets whoever wakes it first

[torpid girder]

Really? The only useful part about the third option looks like it would be the charge speed increase

[acoustic spade]

I just dont do enough Brain bursts to actually ever use that feat

[burnt python]

It's a good "oh shit that elite needs to die right now" button

[acoustic spade]

I mean, you get to use brainburst more times before having to stop and quell in between

[burnt python]

you g et plenty of aoe / cc from staff

[acoustic spade]

gives you some leeway for peril blocking as well

[errant stream]

don't call the Veteran in your team a button, he has feelings ya'know?

[edgy cedar]

take CD aura

let veteran kill everything instead

[flint turtle]

Tbh I think out with a bang out of all the challenges is probably the most deserving of a change.
I mean it tells you to kill yourself until you get lucky enough to kill three elites lol

[torpid girder]

You never explode when using brainburst as long as you're not at 100% when you start charging it iirc so I feel like it would be redundant since you can just be at like 99% peril > brain burst > quell for like 0.1 s > brain burst again

[errant stream]

the threshold is 97%

[torpid girder]

ohh okay

[acoustic spade]

also the leeway of having more "room" for peril so if you get suddenly attacked you can stop brainbursting and start blocking with your peril pool again

[wicked grove]

What's the best feats for a level 20 using a purgation staff?

[torpid girder]

Maybe it'd benefit with a build like that yea which makes sense! I'm using a different type of build/playstyle tho so I guess it wouldn't be as useful for what I want specifically

[wicked grove]

Feels like it sometimes xD as a vet main it Def is a button you press before you blow the house down with a bolter

[olive ember]

Purgation staff only rly comes together at 30 imo where you have ascendant blaze to give you the 10% chance for warp charge on bruh kill

[wicked grove]

I'm leveling the Psyker as my alt xD

It's just rough leveling the psyker

[torpid girder]

Do the purgation staff DOTs have a chance to trigger kinetic flayer? That sounds like it would be useful if it does

[teal needle]

Pretty sure they fixed that

[errant stream]

i would like to level a second character, but the not shared currencies stop me so hard tbh
i want to play zealot as a second main just for the 2h chainsword that shit looks sick

[wicked grove]

Yea...that's a tencent putting their grubby hands all over this game.

They want you to level EVERYONE separately. They want mobile game systems and concepts

[errant stream]

yeah i noticed but i simply don't have the time, i didn't even complete the weeklies on my main, what makes them think i can complete them on 2 different characters. that's insane

[jovial quail]

@wicked grove Out of curiosity, do you feel like Veteran has any clutch plays when all of his teamates are down? Zealot has a pretty decent kit to deal with it and I feel like Pysker is by far the best with bleed + dot builds letting you kite/do tons of boss damage/ad clear and elite stunning but every time I get on veteran no matter what its not like i'm becoming stupid and playing absolutely dog water bad, I just can't carry a 3 man down like I can with Psyker even remotely close

[acoustic spade]

dots dont but if you keep flaming them AND applying the dot each "attack" the enemy gets hit by has that chance

and it does have a decent firerate in that regard

[errant stream]

and i will never do all the penances again for a second character. 100%ing the Psyker penance was enough

[ivory path]

It's so funny seeing the non psyker players going hog wild praising the surge staff for stunning when every left click attack with the purge staff stuns

[wicked grove]

It's a clutch when you have ALL the stuff in front of you. Or a lot of specials and elites. Then you really feel the power of veteran.

[jovial quail]

Like i've had to solo 2 bosses back to back, with like 3 hordes and a crap ton of elites before on heresy endless with psyker and it was the easiest thing with knife kiting and flame staff. But the second 3 people go down on veteran I can't outpace them and put out enough dps on boss while also fighting a horde and 3+ elites

[wicked grove]

Scenario:

You have 4 ogryns, and a flamer man behind em. The bombers throwing nades. The snipers drawing a bead.

But you got ult.

[acoustic spade]

it doesnt stun, it has a chance to suppress them

[hasty wolf]

I love these rewards

[wicked grove]

And with said ult. You murdered the oggys. You killed the flamer. And with the remaining ultimate timer you sniped that sniper.

[hasty wolf]

[acoustic spade]

it does basically nothing to bigger stuff like mutants

surge just stops them in their tracks

[ivory path]

nah man, every hit causes them to flinch for a sec, you can stun lock ragers and the big axe guys (forgot the name) permanently

[urban igloo]

Just saw this and I'm tempted, how do you guys feel about duelling sword over force sword?

[jovial quail]

@wicked grove what about the like 30-50 hordes coming at you as well lol, that's optimal settings but like trying to juggle bolter's animation while taking out all those elites/specials while a horde is swiping at you, I just can't pull that off.

[wicked grove]

But the problem with Vet....you rely on your teammates so you STAY in ult. Thats the problem. If the area ain't clear...your dps is trash.

[jovial quail]

not to mention a boss included

[hasty wolf]

I hate duelling sword

Force all the way

[ivory path]

try it in the test mode @acoustic spade

[olive ember]

It does but I think it would be more useful to go for the “apply dot when you have max stacks” perk

[wicked grove]

That's the problem with vet. They rely on a team to clear the way

[olive ember]

Not sure tho since I run surge staff psyker mostly

[jovial quail]

Yeah... I agree, honestly Pysker has the best clutch potential in the game, but veteran has the best "We shouldnt be in this situation in the first place" I guess.

[acoustic spade]

I know what you mean, but it doesnt actually stun them. It wont stop a charging mutant, but it might sometimes stop a hound coming for you

[wicked grove]

So if a team is there to defend you? You are God. You are the murderer that goes bang. You can't die because you are so on top of the game.

[acoustic spade]

its more of an interrupt-by-suppression than a stun

[wicked grove]

But if the team ain't there? You're mincemeat.

[olive ember]

I mean a good zealot can clutch pretty well I think too

Rly good melee, tankiness, if they bring a bolt gun or special snipe like revolver

[wicked grove]

Vet relies on your positioning, the team positioning, and you knowing a good place to engage.

If you fuck up, it's mostly your fault.

[jovial quail]

oh absolutely derpy, he's close to psyker, just unfortunately when you have a team going down alot and say are using the flamethrower, which i've been in the situations prior. He can absolutely do it too, but in those situations i'm typically low on fuel anyways having to pick up their slack in the first place. So when I inevitably get in that clutch situation i'm like 1-2 clips max left on fuel.

[fringe remnant]

You got a cheaper dueling sword to try out in training?

[wicked grove]

I love vet. But it is ROUGH in Heresy Pugs. (Because everyone's playing vet)

[olive ember]

Dueling sword has better dodge and horde clear but force sword has better shove, push attack, and a single target special for bosses n maulers and crushers etc.

[wicked grove]

I've had like 10+ heresy games where it's ALL vets.

[jovial quail]

Yeah... I feel that lol.

[wicked grove]

So...I'm leveling my Psyker cuz I have alot of fun.

[jovial quail]

As a psyker i'm all for it since i'm typically front lining anyways with flamestaff/ascendant bursting everything. Not having a single worry about elites/specials while I do everything else is optimal for me

[wicked grove]

Yea I'm not level 30 yet.

[errant stream]

ooh so i am not the only one that noticed that

[wicked grove]

I'm level 20

[hasty wolf]

where the fuck are these unviewed cosmetics

[olive ember]

Ah as a psyker I run surge staff and I’m basically backline support

[hasty wolf]

[olive ember]

Any time there’s an elite i hard cc em for the team to deal with

[jovial quail]

Honestly I have like 120+ heresy completions on Pysker and only like 10 on vet anyways so it could just be I haven't given him enough practice. Still the main obvious signs are there for what I want from the game so realistically he's just not meant for me. Still an amazing class just not what i'm looking to do lol

[wicked grove]

Vets fun in malice and lower.

The problem are these guys are taking their vets in heresy and since there's like 5 vets to every other class. There's so many vets

[olive ember]

No more Tokyo drift dogs when you have an attentive surge staff psyker around

[bold maple]

thank fuck for vets in heresy

[hasty wolf]

hehe lasor gun go pow

[wicked grove]

I mean if you wanna play together I'm a decent vet xD

[hot ice]

they are the most consistent class id say, so its not surprising theres a lot

[shadow quail]

you can animation cancel surge and go wild casting lightning.

[wicked grove]

2 vets in heresy is fine.

But having a full pug team...

[hot ice]

amazing ranged dmg, very decent melee with power sword

[wicked grove]

Mmff....

[jovial quail]

Lol totally down later. I'm kinda grouchy after losing 4 heresy games back to back on vet. It's so painfully obvious when you don't have a flamethrower zealot or purge pysker on the team when you're playing a different class it hurts so much.

[olive ember]

I’ve done 2 vets two psykers. Vet frontline psyker backline basically

[wicked grove]

Yerp. You need a Frontline as vet

[jovial quail]

Plus I totally get why people give Psykers so much shit on reddit, i've been playing with some absolute glue eaters today while playing vet lol

[raven helm]

is it just me or are there never force swords in the shop

[bold maple]

just you

[hot ice]

best team comp ive been in was psyker, 2 vets and a zealot

[wicked grove]

Yup...vet is a class where ego is a huge issue.

[bold maple]

we all have deflector force sword 380 rating

[raven helm]

😔

[olive ember]

Had to carry a pub today as a fucking lvl 8 zealot on difficulty 2

[acoustic spade]

on your other classes even if younhavent creatws them yet, or weapon trinkets/skins for guns you cant use

[valid imp]

It's either across all characters or a bug

[hot ice]

another one that was good is 2 psykers, 1 vet and zealot

[wicked grove]

People go "bruh my team is trash"

But I go "if your team is trash how did you fuck up."

The silence is palpable

[errant stream]

tbh i played often with 3 other vets in heresy and i think the class is not the problem, but the player is. i see a lot of veterans that clearly didn't learn the play and just rushed to heresy because... yes?

it is the most used class it is normal that a lot of bad players will be met using vet

[olive ember]

The stupid plague residue scan mission and somehow 2 of them immediately got knocked of by a mutant and the third one got trapped while I was getting swarmed

[hot ice]

legit

[jovial quail]

@olive ember I actually embrace the clutch plays on Pysker and Zealot and actively want them to happen every game, I don't intentionally grief for it to happen but when it does its such a satisfying feeling. On Veteran its just a "Oh god oh no oh god oh no why do they keep going down to pox over and over again" lol

[wicked grove]

That's fair. I am good with most vet weapons. I just get left behind because nobody says we're moving forward but that's a me problem

[umbral field]

@jovial quail what feats are you running on psyker?

[hot ice]

you know you have a big brain veteran when they are focusing on trash mobs when there are still ranged threats alive/elites or specials are around

[olive ember]

I mean I felt great after clutching yeah, but I also just prefer smooth and fast games while leveling my last class to 30

[hot ice]

i fucking HATE it when i get these vets

[uncut hamlet]

idt vet needs a nerf apart from toughness and the power sword. Its more that the other classes need buffs

[amber zealot]

I've been trying to do the pop a hounds head while pouncing penance and haven't been having a lot of luck. Any tips?

[wicked grove]

Tbh if I'm getting swarmed by horde and I can't squirm out. Bolter is coming out and I'm blasting with suppression

[acoustic spade]

I have two modes: Rushing in everywhere first, or being dead last at every elevator

[hasty wolf]

Ok thanks

[wicked grove]

Yup! It's a struggle

[hot ice]

no thats understandable, but majority of the time the vet shouldnt be busy dealing with horde

thats the job of the psyker/zealot

[olive ember]

Even the toughness is aight since damage bleed through is percentage based iirc, it’s only good against shooters which are what the class is designed to fight

[wicked grove]

Yea but Heresy Pugs are a diff breed

Ya feel me?

[hot ice]

i do

[wicked grove]

I can handle hordes on malice.

[hot ice]

fr fr

[amber zealot]

Depends on the build. Pskyers are good special killers with headpops

[jovial quail]

I run like 3 different builds @umbral field depending on what i'm feeling/using and if i'm playing Heresy or Damnation. My main setup is Lacerate knife with Purg staff with Run n Gun but is my general go to on clutch plays on heresy while not having to like really worry.

[errant stream]

PSA: every Psyker should always run the peril resistance feat, because when you have 4 warp charges the first 2 BB (starting from 0% Peril) you will do will bring you to 69% Peril

[hot ice]

BB falls off a lot in heresy+

[hasty wolf]

nice

[hot ice]

really only good for picking off already damaged specials that are fleeing

[olive ember]

To be fair a power sword vet is easily the best horde clear outside of the flamers imo

[hot ice]

or opening/stunning ogyrns if u dont have surge

[uncut hamlet]

thats true yea, but each hit then takes away a lower % since damage dealt is flat, so youll take less per future hit

[wicked grove]

I like the purgatory staff for horde clear

[hot ice]

its fun definitely

[hot ice]

dont forget the flame staff/void staff

dope af

[teal cargo]

Flame staff good horde clear?

[jovial quail]

Curios are typically more HP as well since you're getting so many damn BB stacks from the talent setup and purg staff. Helps with corruption and any nasty little pokes that go through occasionally.

[uncut hamlet]

yea

[hot ice]

Yes

[hasty wolf]

There's little more satisfying than shooting charged void staff at head level into a fat horde

[errant stream]

and good CC too!

[edgy cedar]

its basically its only job lol

[uncut hamlet]

I love flame staff personally

[teal cargo]

I see

Yea void staff is cool

too

[edgy cedar]

main issue of flamestaff is the lack of range

[uncut hamlet]

cc's any non ogryn elite in the horde too

[hot ice]

Even better when you get that slight frame drop as 50+ trash mobs are turned into giblets

[edgy cedar]

relying on others, when inrealtiy you dont need horde clear much at all

[hot ice]

[uncut hamlet]

Vet is most popular role rn so i let them deal with it

[meager pulsar]

i thought the chest piece was fixed lmao

[olive ember]

Surge staff because I hate pox hounds, hate mutants, and hate bursters

[uncut hamlet]

worst case ill pull out my hands and slowly deal with ranged

[hasty wolf]

my god the sound sometimes

like an imploding star

[hot ice]

[hasty wolf]

[edgy cedar]

man soulblaze on crit would sure feel less shit if crit wasnt like -1%

[jovial quail]

@meager pulsar Wait the imperial chest piece isn't suppose to look like this lol? Never noticed

[hot ice]

Soulblaze is kinda meh as it stands rn

[meager pulsar]

no, the leather stra pis clipping through and so is the ornament on the right side

[jovial quail]

Soulblaze at 4x stack will pretty much wipe out 50+ pox, at 6x stacks it'll also wipe out a full room of dreg/scab gunners along with their elite versions.

[edgy cedar]

its mostly that it needs many stacks to do anything

[jovial quail]

Without max stacks though it's mediocre at best