psyker-class

[olive ember]

its like 2 or 3 specials even if you are using lights and not heavies

[iron flame]

What feat is good for chainsword ( waiting for stupid shop to give me a bloody forcesword ) psyker with voidstrike staff? 3/1/1/1/1 ?

Only lvl 25 atm. Hadn't hit 30

[dusty mirage]

did they change when it unlocks?

[olive ember]

I got it in early acces around lvl 4

maybe you were unlucky

[pine warren]

Force Sword is lvl 2

[dusty mirage]

yea, bad luck. Good thing we can craft them...

[pine warren]

Kek, a group bailed seeing a lvl 2 Psyker in a Lvl 2 Assassin mission

[dusty mirage]

my last mission had 3 psyker's and a zealot. Our frontline was imaginary.

[gray kelp]

the first >370 base rating weapon I get and its the mk 1 catachan sword

why fatshark 😦

[void anvil]

dont let those kind of players ruin the game, just requeue

[inland flume]

Don't need a frontline if you have a Psyker with a Purgatus staff for the hordes, and one with a Surge staff for the elites

[olive ember]

two vets and two psyker frontline is a funny meme

[dusty mirage]

thats pretty much what we had, with an extra surge

[olive ember]

double powersword moment

[worn canopy]

Pistols are bad in this game

[olive ember]

laspistols have a funny dodge distance and move speed but in terms of actual effective ness meh

[dusty mirage]

have you ever let a heretic run away while you fired your auto pistol into the air in frustration?

[tender cipher]

Classic. 3 psykers and 1 Veteran and the Veteran somehow manages to die 4 times. Once by walking right into a daemonhost, and the other just dying to regular mobs that weren't even part of a horde.

[hazy ibex]

How are you guys doing Pick n' Mix?

[olive ember]

the daemon host is E, the regular mobs might be because of the toughness glitch

[olive ember]

crying and praying i get a team who will waste 3 hours to help me

theres a toughness glitch where if you have more than 100 toughness you just take full melee damage, vets get the worst of the bunch since they have 200 toughness

[fluid knot]

Give boss a break, toughness is.. bad

[olive ember]

so you legit just die randomly as a vet cuz funny poxwalker deals 30 of your hp in one hit

[hazy ibex]

I haven't tried but I was thinking maybe uzi spray with the 10% pop chance? That or the quick burst after push move

[olive ember]

might be your 10% on any hit for brain burst, it will proc well with any multihitting weapon like lightning staff or fire staff

[manic halo]

im starting a class war

[dusty mirage]

maybe if it wasn't on a 15s cooldown

[manic halo]

fuck VETS

[olive ember]

or if you take a leave of your senses a recon lasgun

[inland flume]

Forget Pick n' Mix, I'm still stuck on Going Out With a Bang. Problem the first: it's tantamount to griefing because there's a chance you could throw the whole game by going after it. Problem the second: it's literally impossible to do in PuGs because even if you manage to overcharge in the presence of three elites, your teammates will gun them down during the three-second exploding animation and you will have died for no reason.

[manic halo]

stealing MY brainbusts

[hazy ibex]

Lol yeah I have put Going Out With a Bang on hold

Every time I get a good lineup of elites they kill me before I pop

[olive ember]

I legit was up from 12 AM to 6 AM today doing achievements, got goin out with bang and mostrous wte with a dedicated group of 3 psykers and an ogryn... if you guys read this thx for the help

[tacit fractal]

Vets are amazing, it’s the new players of any archetype who suck (for obvious reasons that they’re still learning the game)

[manic halo]

class war class war

[cunning osprey]

Got this sword as an emperor's gift. Seems half-decent

[dusty mirage]

those penances are for once you get bored, and decide to form a dedicated group to knock them out.

[hazy ibex]

I just wish penances were something I could try to do without forming a dedicated team

I just wanna play the game by myself

[night marten]

I've done all but the heresy class penances with pugs

and/or bots

[tacit fractal]

Since we’re psykers Grendyl and Rannick will have our heads faster than going into warp travel

[hazy ibex]

I was about to shoot myself trying solo Cliffhanger

[manic halo]

not if we get their heads first

I see no blanks on ship

[olive ember]

I mean you say that but not everyone will approach it that way. I’ve seen multiple psykers throw for those penances in malice+…

[hazy ibex]

if there are 4 elites I'm gonna blow up on them, idc who I'm playing with

I don't care if we lose I want my achievement

[inland flume]

Are you me?

Also I genuinely do not understand how they decided which penances to change and which to leave. Going Out With a Bang is probably the worst in terms of encouraging griefing behavior - at least a Veteran going for their "no melee damage" challenge can't accidentally wipe their group by doing so

[void anvil]

Awesome blessings, perfect for that sword. Alright perks and pretty damn good stat rolls yeah id definitely use it

[hazy ibex]

Lol agreed

[cunning osprey]

Guess it'll do until I get a force sword with the damn deflection perk

[tacit fractal]

What if there is a Culexus assassin on board within the Mourningstar

[fluid knot]

If little'uns want help with penances, ping Dorfus tommora

[cunning osprey]

Getting 1 force sword every 3 or 4 store resets it feels

[olive ember]

Like if you have to go out of the way then fine make a premade (prefer not to but again wte) but the problem is that some of these penances encourage throwing

[manic halo]

my beloved would have told me by now!

[void anvil]

still waiting for my deflection force sword too

once again I got all guns and non-force swords in the shop

[inland flume]

And the fact that they don't even have private servers where I can go throw myself at elite packs all day long in peace?

[hazy ibex]

Seriously if I could load up with no randos and no teammates I would have finished Cliffhanger a year ago

[tacit fractal]

Still waiting for a force sword after 6 days

[void anvil]

like the one where the veteran has to not get hit by melee the entire mission lol

[tacit fractal]

[olive ember]

^^ this exactly, I’m forced to go into damnation endless horde to die because that’s the only difficulty where either everyone is achievement hunting or no one queues in general

[inland flume]

I've considered that, but I'm afraid I'll run into a group of people actually trying to play that difficulty and then I'll feel extra bad about ruining their game

[olive ember]

If I join a group I’ll ask if they are trying and I’ll leave if they are

[charred topaz]

bad news, on private matches u still have bots. The bots shoot the elites and it feels bad

[tacit fractal]

I tried to do that, telling the randos who are reasonable while doing Chasm Logistratum got me it cause they agro’d the poxwalkers on the mini bridge at the start next to the big bridge while the penance was still push 20 in 2 seconds off a cliff

[void anvil]

what i started doing is if im going for contracts or penances i just warn people as soon as they join the game, and if they stay then thats on them im still gonna run off doing whatever i need to

[tacit fractal]

Same

[hazy ibex]

I had rando's join in the middle of a hoard on that bridge and draw everything away from me

[inland flume]

Bots are dumb enough that I'm not that concerned about their ability to kill elites. At least not on the higher difficulties.

[void anvil]

especially if im just grabbing scriptures, i just say "hey, i need to grab scriptures so I may be running behind a lot looking around"

[tacit fractal]

Most people (if they’re not Russian because I’ve not met a russian dude somehow who knows english) are actually unironically reasonable and helpful for penances

[inland flume]

I miss the days of VT2 where you literally just had to play 100 Champion missions to get a cool skin. I know it's boring but it gives you a reason to keep playing and it's guaranteed that you'll eventually get it.

[potent echo]

It's not hard to do any of them even with only 1 person helping

[void anvil]

yeah, back when you had to shove 20 off a ledge in 2 sec for the penance I had a rando patiently sit there and help me get it for like 5 - 10 minutes lol

[iron flame]

Man ... what is with fuckers aggroing daemon hosts all day today

[void anvil]

was really great

[tacit fractal]

I think it’s funny that the community is aggressive/somewhat toxic but also extremely kind and nice at the same bloody time

[void anvil]

and the wild thing is they were a veteran player

[iron flame]

At least I got achievement from it

[celest oar]

if theres an ogryn with a shield, they should just argo them by default

[tacit fractal]

I had a veteran and a zealot help me out which is insane and not the ogryn

[potent echo]

Haven't had a bad experience yet with LFG yet in this discord

[tacit fractal]

In random queues

[gray kelp]

anyone know anything about contract missions not progressing

22/25 scrips and 15/25 missions and it just stopped working

:/

[pine warren]

Yeah I just went readied up and let other join in, sweating about Diff 2 is dumb xD

[tacit fractal]

LFG’s might be fine idk bout that cause I never touch em, Destiny 2 raid PTSD

[hazy ibex]

I haven't LFG yet cause talking to people is cringe

[signal turret]

Purg staff users, seethe knowing im hardly ever going to use this

[worn canopy]

i will seethe and cope

[inland flume]

Social anxiety gang rise up

[worn canopy]

you will be set on fire immediately

[ornate hamlet]

what is considered an attack?

[potent echo]

Anything that damages enemies

[ornate hamlet]

lvl 5 kinetic

so like a single tic of damage?

[potent echo]

Kinetic flayer yes

Any tick counts

[ornate hamlet]

WOW

i thought it looked good

[gray kelp]

its literally just a free brain burst, generates warp charges and doesnt increase peril

[potent echo]

Although idk if it can proc on brain burst itself

[inland flume]

Kinetic Flayer with the Purgatus staff is the funniest thing. It can be obnoxiously powerful or it can proc on a random poxwalker and waste the 15 second ICD

[tacit fractal]

Deimos rebreather gang

[potent echo]

What do those rebreathers do exactly? In the lore

[hazy ibex]

They should remove that 15 second thing as an event

[icy harbor]

Damn, wish I had this. Although, not a 500

[iron flame]

Not when there is a boss music going on and the ogryn who walked straight into the pinged daemon host is using a "dagger"

I eh somehow managed to clutch out of that shitshow to solo a half hp plague ogryn after tanking the daemon host

[potent echo]

Ez game

[ornate hamlet]

yes brother

[south zephyr]

it's official, I despise the void staff

[subtle linden]

joining the surge brotherhood sibling?

[potent echo]

Damn what happened?

[hazy ibex]

Void staff rules

Line em up and BOOM

[iron flame]

Kinetic deflector for the win. Got 2 penance out of it lol

[south zephyr]

heavily prefer the surge staff

[iron flame]

Would had failed the clutch if any specials or elite came in.

[tacit fractal]

Wdym???

Sibling you good?

[iron flame]

But it was just me and the plague ogre after daemon host got tired of me

[worn canopy]

i dislike it

[south zephyr]

had 3 psykers in this run, 2 with void (one including myself) and 1 with flame... the lack of control on specials was rough

[worn canopy]

i wont use it

[potent echo]

How did you get the daemonhost of change targets?

[worn canopy]

but its good

[south zephyr]

we ended up dying at the end too

[tacit fractal]

Wha- HOW?!

[iron flame]

After it killed the ogryn who decided to walk straight into the dameon host while there is a boss music going on

[worn canopy]

how do you not control specials with a flame staff

[tacit fractal]

Specials should be the least of your problems man

[iron flame]

😅

[potent echo]

Just needed 1 psyker to pull out of staff duty and onto brain burst/melee duty

[gray kelp]

every time I even use surge staff I magically get 1-2 psykers in my random games also using surge staff rendering it kind of redundant

[south zephyr]

that was my problem too, so I thought I would try void

[potent echo]

Hey I played a triple surge staff pub heresy game and it was the easiest thing ever

[subtle linden]

HERESY ESPIONAGe where are U!

[south zephyr]

starting to think I should go flame or trauma, chances of someone else using that is slim lol

[tacit fractal]

Void slaps ass hard Purgatus too

[potent echo]

Oh so he disappears after killing one guy?

[subtle linden]

i only use purgatus for specific situations where noone has horde clear

[gray kelp]

I did triple surge heresy, it wasnt necessarily hard but we relied on the bolter vet to do like 90+% of the killing lol

[tacit fractal]

I feel like trauma is just like an introduction to staves but then after gettin other ones you shouldn’t go back to it

[iron flame]

No. After he kill the ogryn. Daemon host decided to target me

[gray kelp]

idk id like it a lot more if it didnt feel so random, I like feeling like I'm actually aiming the staff and not just being the funny lightning spam guy

[proven raven]

think of Trauma like giving grenades to the psyker, but the grenades are infinite

[potent echo]

We had a zealot who was just chilling because 3 ascendant blazing lmao

[tacit fractal]

Void staff meanwhile is a piercing rocket grenade

[static wadi]

Did you by any chance had a psyker besides the dead ogryn?

[proven raven]

won't deny it, not saying Trauma is a good pick either X'D

[tacit fractal]

[south zephyr]

was definitely one of those times where I wish the flame staff had cleared out the hordes, made me miss flamethrower zealot

[potent echo]

But he disappears after a while right?

[olive ember]

I feel like if they give trauma a ground effect, like a dot or a slow field then maybe it would be worth it while differentiating it from the flame and bowling ball staff

[gray kelp]

apparently trauma is better now than in pre-launch beta, its just ultra scuffed usability-wise

[iron flame]

Yep. If you can't kill it. Just pray your team survive long enough

[potent echo]

Understandable

[proven raven]

no, Trauma definitely has a place

but the lack of full crafting to be able to change perks and stuff, with the fact that other staffs have a lot more... versatility? means it's trailing pretty hard rn

[tacit fractal]

It’s a relentless possessed body of a might be a Greater daemon I doubt it’s gonna leave you alone until it can rip your guts out for the Grandfather

[potent echo]

I think it's more flexible than purge because you get to throw some bubbles

[potent echo]

He just goes and finds another group of rejects

[proven raven]

there's secretly just one Daemonhost, murdering one group of rejects at a time

[gray kelp]

btw anyone know if theres a fix to contract missions not progressing, would prefer not to reroll them

[potent echo]

It's like a purge that is has better stagger and ranged bubble

[south zephyr]

think my primary problem is that I'm not having any luck finding a setup that "feels" good

[tacit fractal]

I’m very glad though we don’t have to fight against plaguebearers or Great Unclean Ones

[iron flame]

Or you abusing what is a potentially a broken interaction of a talent and weapon.

I was using chainsword and that kinetic deflection. Never went into critical peril and I was just sitting in a corner blocking it

[potent echo]

1 ogryn and everything goes much more smoothly

[potent echo]

Shield with the infinite block works wonders too

[tacit fractal]

Change to a different archetype maybe? Try out Zealot for example

[harsh cobalt]

okay, so force sword's push attack and shove. I'm confused. It seems like there's no reliable way to push more than a few enemies, so in a horde situation you really can't create any breathing room. Am I using it wrong?

[potent echo]

You don't hold left click, but you spam left click

[south zephyr]

have zealot/ogryn/psyker all at 30 now, have a comfortable setup for both zealot and ogryn that I enjoy, so been trying to experiment and find one for psyker - I would move on to leveling up vet, but literally everyone I know and their mother plays vet

[potent echo]

It gives the enemies in front of you a little tickle so you can dodge towards your friends or towards a chokepoint

[harsh cobalt]

so it does push on block+click? So, when I hold it then. What exactly does it do. It's kinda hard to figure this thing out

[potent echo]

The push only hits 1 target

You want to spam the fist clench thing over and over again

[tacit fractal]

Fair, I’ve had actually the most fun playing Psyker in high difficulties

Compared to Ogryn or Vet

[proven raven]

I think this just relates to the fact that Psyker is about riding the line of a mechanic that generally doesn't have good ways of maintaining itself unless you go with one or two very specific builds that end up gutting the rest of your kit

[harsh cobalt]

what if you let fist clench play out tho. It just does some damage while enemy is pushed?

[south zephyr]

I keep defaulting to surge, its cc is always good

[tacit fractal]

No

[potent echo]

The push does no damage

[harsh cobalt]

I'm confused. If you let animation play out it gives you orange hit marker, like you hit a weakspot

[potent echo]

You hold right click, spam left click

[iron flame]

Might telling us your setup and things ? I find Psyker pretty weak even on malice atm compared to vet 😦

[potent echo]

We are talking about the force sword right?

[tacit fractal]

Push has never done damage, go check in the Meat Grinder within the Psyckhanium

[harsh cobalt]

yea

[harsh cobalt]

well I'm asking. Because it gives a hit marker

[potent echo]

Might be a bug, it doesn't do any damage but it is super useful for knocking down any elite in the game

Except bulwarks

[tacit fractal]

3232, duelling sword and void staff, only lvl 24 and i’ve carried games on Heresy with veterans, ogryns and zealots alike

[harsh cobalt]

okay, so if I can spam push. What's the point of that long ass animation with a fist clench?

[tacit fractal]

Dramatic

That’s the idea

[harsh cobalt]

I'm just trying to understand it. Because I really like the moveset, just pushing feels different to other weapons

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[proven raven]

isn't it a wider, shorter knockback AoE?

[harsh cobalt]

I love the powered up attack, feels quite badass

[proven raven]

pairing it together actually knocks enemies over, not just pushback

[south zephyr]

so peril to toughness conversion, peril reduction per stack, +% non-warp damage bonus on target after BB, and toughness DR for ranged attacks based on peril?

[potent echo]

Last one is based on warpcharges but yea

[south zephyr]

ah yeah, mb

[gray kelp]

3 transcendants from emperor's gift and they're all guns

it hurts

[tacit fractal]

Wait actually it’s 3332 iirc or something idk man I forget the order because my photographic memory is not that great lmao

[potent echo]

Wait the soulblaze one? Isit any good in practice?

[hollow hatch]

How do you deal with hordes as Psyker? Lol

[potent echo]

Purge staff goes brr

Voidstrike deafens your team

[hollow hatch]

Is that the electric one?

[potent echo]

The fire

[hollow hatch]

Ah dont have that yet. RIP

[void anvil]

yeah, scales very well

[hollow hatch]

I really wish the force sword did horizontal swings lol

[gray kelp]

light + heavy + push cancel for hordes with fs

[void anvil]

why is the special on the staffs a melee hit

[tacit fractal]

WAIT NOW I REMEMBER it’s 3132

Ty

[charred topaz]

to push enemies away

[tacit fractal]

A really god awful push

[potent echo]

Push one enemy away more like

[south zephyr]

so bonus damage to force weapons based on peril?

[tacit fractal]

Yes

[charred topaz]

yeah if theres more than one you should switch to melee probably

[hollow hatch]

One day they're gonna make us all enjoy Psyker by making us only lose one warp charge per drop.

[tacit fractal]

Or if void just rocket them away with alt fire

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[tacit fractal]

It’s fast

[harsh cobalt]

okay, so if you let entire fist clench animation play out of force sword it appears to knock down even crushers to the ground

[south zephyr]

WC falling off 1 stack at a time and BB scaling with gear score would be the dream

[harsh cobalt]

at least in meat grinder

[hollow hatch]

All I want to do is BB its so satisfying

[tacit fractal]

And allow us to pop pox hound and tox flamer once more in +4 missions

[iron flame]

And make WC's effect doubled on BB so we might finally get some actual sane breakpoints

And give WC if the enemy dies while being staggered even if someone else kills it

[rotund zenith]

BOIS I FINALLY HAVE PICK N MIX DONE 🥹🥹🥹

[tacit fractal]

I like doing the hybrid combat of staff, bb and melee cause it feels powerful that I can handle lots of fights when i’ve mastered all 3 types of weaponry

[analog cliff]

Same (in malice of course)

[south zephyr]

I dont believe it

[toxic forge]

Jesus what a roll

[tacit fractal]

Now do the explody one with 3 elites on Heresy

[tacit fractal]

In Heresy too and Damnation

[analog cliff]

Damn. This man gaming out here

[tacit fractal]

Yeah

And dude I on god emperor have gotten most of the time most elite/special kills at the same time

[rotund zenith]

done that too!

[charred topaz]

brain burst on heresy/damnation feels bad so i just headshot w/ staff projectiles instead

[potent echo]

Ew mk II

But yea juicy roll

[tacit fractal]

NOOOO my evil plan!!!
congrats though lol

[tacit fractal]

That feels like a bad idea

[charred topaz]

brain burst is slow

[celest hedge]

the basic M1 projectile from staves are actually much better than I thought they would be

[tacit fractal]

It does more damage than primary fire with staff so

[south zephyr]

I wish each staff had a unique left click like the flame staff

[hazy ibex]

Maybe if you and your target aren't moving I hate trying to hit things with that

[celest hedge]

a headshot can kill a basic gun common on malice and below which makes them a nice option for killing them quicker than just brain bursting and quelling

[warm meteor]

excited for vashtorr

[tacit fractal]

Yes

Very much

[celest hedge]

i don't know about higher difficultiesbut you can spam it pretty well

[warm meteor]

i have 3k of daemon engines

i am ready

i hope we get some dark mech rep along with him

[tacit fractal]

Probs will

[warm meteor]

yeah all the staffs have the same one other then the flamer cosplay haha

[south zephyr]

tbf, they could keep the default one for the void staff, since it fits the theme

but surge/trauma should be jazzed up a bit

[subtle linden]

omg im about to penetrate all the armor

[celest hedge]

surge I can see doing a lightning bolt throw as a kind of sniping projectile, trauma I can see kind of having anything

[warm meteor]

tbf alot of siennas primary fires had a boring single bolt as well. some tho had some fun stuff, i loved the machine gun bolts that made you look like vegeta spamming ki blasts

[tacit fractal]

-30 damage to flak armoured enemies

[warm meteor]

the lazor staff was fun too

[tacit fractal]

I want shotgun blast staff

[subtle linden]

i want a bolterstaff

that shoots bolter bullets

[warm meteor]

shotgun was a fun one too since it on shotted so many things if you were close

[analog cliff]

I want death star laser staff

[warm meteor]

id love a psykinetic themed staff that had a mini force push as primary and a levitate as secondary. but maybe cc on both would be bad haha

or mayve the levitate and throw the target into others for damage

[iron flame]

Soo crusher and mauler do chip damage even if I guard their attack ?

[potent echo]

Only overheads I think

[subtle linden]

just stagger them

[warm meteor]

i always dodge them, so i dk

[analog cliff]

Learning to dodge their attacks is pretty easy and very worth investing some effort into

[warm meteor]

yeah and if all else fails you can try and force push them if you have a force sword

then murder them

like the dogs they are

[iron flame]

I Joined a party and first thing I saw is a Daemon host sucking the life out of my ally and me surrounded by pox walker soo ... I was just blocking and one of the crusher just hit me from behind. Was confused because I was tanking the dameon host.

But yea... usually I will just straight up dodge it

[warm meteor]

the daemon host is brutal! i like how it just straight up mercs a person if they get downed haha. we never had such a brutal enemy before

i had a naughty player aggro one on purpose in one of my games

I also saw them staring at a bomb when no enemies were around, and then after a delay making it go off. chaos was their only motivation

[iron flame]

my pubs games ppl don't seem to know that you can just avoid daemon host

[warm meteor]

meleeing bombs and triggering hosts

[hollow hatch]

I just let my teammates die when they aggro it tbh, waste of time unless you have serious dps

[iron flame]

Had been aggroing every single dameon host

[warm meteor]

wait so if you just run it doesnt come at the rest of the party?

thats hilarious

[hollow hatch]

It kills two then it leaves

[iron flame]

You can just avoid it by not being near it and don't hit it

They are basically the witch from L4Dead

[warm meteor]

if you flash it with a light it stuns it :)

shhhhh

[tacit fractal]

I avoided a daemonhost TWICE with 3 bloody ogryns and me being the psyker

Best and fastest actual run ever

[warm meteor]

i find my chainsword melts bosses if i spam its special

[tacit fractal]

It’s a chainsword yes

[warm meteor]

so typically we can kill a host before it murders smth

sometimes tho it does get thru one player

never had it kill 2

[iron flame]

Pretty sure chainsword's special do the most damage ? Maybe force sword do more

[warm meteor]

the chainsword feels so great honestly, i find its heavies are decent enough against hordes that if they do manage to reach me i can cut em up at a good pace

force does more

[iron flame]

But eh yea... it melt boss if you let it land

[warm meteor]

the shields they get at least on diff 2 and 3 are like 2 to 3 special hits

[iron flame]

But I don't trust any one in pub to win a daemon host

[warm meteor]

and you can cancel the animation of "revving" it by spamming attack button

[sweet fox]

Force sword does about the same as a brain burst, you should compare em in the meat grinder

[warm meteor]

my force sword does less, but its very weak rating

ive had very few swords. and i sorta dont want to pick one up till i see deflector

so chainsword is my main melee atm

tho i pull it out very little

[olive ember]

Maybe I had a weak chainsword but I find force sword does alot more

[warm meteor]

yeah my force is worse then my chain but it deal substantially more

[olive ember]

I also find it alot easier to actually do damage with the special, the chainsword I get stunned out of it alot

[warm meteor]

stunned out of? mid attack?

i only use mine to save others typically. so if a mutie grabs someone i try to one shot it with the chainsword

so im never like aggro'd

[hazy ibex]

What do I need to do in order to get 5 smites in 12 seconds on elites?

How would a 4 stack even help that?

[sweet fox]

get the last feat which lowers the cd then pop em

[warm meteor]

have the level 30 ability that speeds them up and makes them cheaper definitely

[clear heath]

If you use a force sword special, it'll interrupt the enemy faster
For chain sword, if you use it against an attacking dreg rager, usually they'll hit you at the same time. I don't have that issue with force sword

[sweet fox]

Most penances are designed so you have to do them in a 4 man with communication

[hazy ibex]

I do have that but I am still struggling

[charred topaz]

a vet to spot them probably helps

[leaden knot]

should i keep this?

[warm meteor]

yeah its super hard, open with 1 then ult should be max efficiency

[celest hedge]

Half BB should be enough to do 6 blasts and if not, just take tranquility and make sure you have a lot of stacks and no peril when you go for it

[fair oracle]

when you want a staff - but you get this instead 😦

[warm meteor]

remember quelling with staffs is faster then a normal quell

[warm meteor]

and tell ur vet to maybe not be so good

[hazy ibex]

Hm alright. Seems like I just need a perfect line of elites to be chilling next to each other and a 4 stack just to not kill them?

[warm meteor]

god damn BB stealers

[celest hedge]

The quell bonus is most of what makes staves such a better pick over anything else on psyker, on top of just being superior CC options which is what psyker misses

[harsh cobalt]

does perils of the warp explosion kill elites on heresy? I want to finally do this penance, but people just keep joining and ruining it

[warm meteor]

psykers range CC is unmatched. so it makes sense we want to take them as options

even our damage focussed staffs have good CC

[olive ember]

too bad you got a trash trait

[warm meteor]

at least traits will eventually be able to be changed

[clear heath]

I don't think it kills in one hit. Just test in psykanium

[warm meteor]

stats should be the focus overall

[olive ember]

i think it depends but for the most part no since they nerfed its damage

[harsh cobalt]

psykanium is incorrect

[warm meteor]

it doesnt even kill in lower diffs some elites

[clear heath]

I got my explosion penance by accident without even knowing about it.
I panicked while spamming lightning cause my friend was surrounded, and started exploding by accident

[olive ember]

I remember even on malice I had to soften up beserkers, shotgunners, etc. to get it (and this was literally def not 20 hours ago so not outdated)

[harsh cobalt]

man, there's really no way to lock the lobby. It sucks so much. I'd be done with it in minutes if people didn't stop joining

[clear heath]

So i just decided to at least die somewhere that would help

[olive ember]

running lightning staff is a good way to get your peril up while also doing chip damage to elites

[harsh cobalt]

problem is lightning staff seems to outright kill elites

well, on occasion

[warm meteor]

yeah offline should be an option for testing stuff in a more active enviroment without messing with other games and doing some penances more easily

[clear heath]

Your lightning is killing enemies in heresy?

wild

[harsh cobalt]

not in heresy, no

[clear heath]

Well the penance is for heresy anyways

[harsh cobalt]

on malice yes, seems like sometimes it kills on one cast

penance is for malice

[clear heath]

oh wait

did they change it or did i just forget?

[harsh cobalt]

I was just doing heresy because I thought less chance of people joining, but it isn't the case

[warm meteor]

what elites? i dont kill them in one cast even on diff 2

las teams melt to it tho

[hazy ibex]

Oh yeah, are specialists elites?

[harsh cobalt]

gunners and shotgunners seem to just die to lightning sometimes

[warm meteor]

no

[clear heath]

oh heresy is for the other penances

[warm meteor]

or maybe? i wouldnt call specials elites

[harsh cobalt]

they are not specials

[warm meteor]

huh, i know it can crit so maybe thats whats tipping the damage

[harsh cobalt]

specials can dynamically spawn, gunners and shotgunners are pre-spawned on map gen

[warm meteor]

if you wanna have fun with specials let everyone else go super far ahead of you

[harsh cobalt]

that's the thing...I don't. I want to blow up 3 elites lol

[warm meteor]

you sure you dont wanna be attacked by 3 good boys and two trappers while a bomber takes shots at you?

[hazy ibex]

My favorite are the silent trappers. When they sneak up and you only get to hear the net flying at you.

[frigid plume]

has anyone else gotten the impression that the psyker staffs (excluding the fire one) should have different light attacks from one another?

[clear heath]

I mean, i wish they did, but it also doesn't really bother me that much

If they did change them in the future, it would be cool

[frigid plume]

I feel like its the one thing that could really help out the two lackluster ones for higher level gameplay

[nimble gorge]

The voidstrike and trauma staves should be similar since they’re both about knockback. But the lighting one could have a single target stun.

But overall, I like that they are the same at the moment.

[frigid plume]

I just feel like something needs to be done to give the trauma and surge staffs a bit more value

[nimble gorge]

Sibling, you can’t just say that and move on

[fresh reef]

Trauma staff is really good, imo

[left mirage]

its really good at giving me trauma when i use it, you're right

[warm meteor]

they'll learn one way or the other

[clear heath]

I feel like surge staff is already one of the best staves. I just wish it had a bit more damage

[fresh reef]

It's a nice generalist staff. You have the insane low effort horde managing with a usable range projectile

[frigid plume]

Trauma really is dependent on its roll because the wind up on its heavy means it rarely gets to be used properly and the short range gimps it pretty bad too

[clear heath]

I know it isn't really meant for damage, but i should at least be able to clear trash without praying for a crit

[warm meteor]

yeah it does feel bad when for like 20 peril you tickle 5 poxwalkers

[fresh reef]

The m2 can also pop hounds off of allies, so that's pretty cool

[warm meteor]

even if it one shotted 5 trash mobs it would still be worse then even the purge at clearing huge hordes per peril percentage

[frigid plume]

the voidstrike is always what I end up going back to in the end because nothing else performs better than it from my experience

[nimble gorge]

Especially when you can throw 7 poxers for less than 10

[frigid plume]

just deletes hordes and even chunks specials, plus since all the light attacks are the same its got a solid one

[silent bay]

what is Psykinetic's Wrath?

[warm meteor]

the range is such an awesome strength for it. some maps other staff feel like they cant touch the gunners and las teams as easily

[warm meteor]

a level 10 feat

[fresh reef]

Valid, Voidstrike is very good

I'm biased towards trauma because it makes things explode into bits

Turning a group of walkers into a blood fountain is infinitely satisfying

[frigid plume]

the voidstrike maybe is a little too good because it overpenetrates targets and explodes.

[nimble gorge]

Honestly, the only staff I definitely dislike is purgatus, but I’m not a fan of dots in general and the leftclick doesn’t have the range I want

[warm meteor]

trauma is certianly more usable then some people say. some people act like it isnt even an option

[mental zinc]

I feel like trauma staff might be bettter if it has another shape, like a line widening into a rectangle

[daring wraith]

Yesterday I did a few games running power sword + void staff and felt like a true wizard as I was power blocking + lightning + headpopping, really fun build! 🙂

[frigid plume]

but I now have leveled up a vet sharpshooter to lvl 30 as well and I can really tell that my psyker is pretty weak by comparison

[silent bay]

do you have to have it selected since all 3 lvl 30 feats use it?

[clear heath]

Surge staff is like, performing a very useful role but makes you feel weak.
Like no one could argue being a spammable 5 target stun grenade isn't useful
but playing as a walking stun grenade also doesn't feel very satisfying

[warm meteor]

i like the purge for its fast on demand CC for annoying targets. as the things it doesnt CC can be avoided

[warm meteor]

wait sorry, its our ult

[leaden knot]

still think psyker is meant as support and not dps

[silent bay]

ahh i see

[warm meteor]

when you click F and push everything. thats what they are referencing

[clear heath]

I mean, that's fair, but it could use some more damage

[subtle linden]

wtf middle of a heresy espionage and it boots me out of the server and then it disappears off the map when it had 70 minutes on it left...

[ornate hamlet]

I think different uses. Shooter is to deal damage from. The back. Psyker to headbob specific target and support against crowds

[frigid plume]

the biggest problem is it really relies on your team doing all of the killing, plus its kinda limited when you get hit with 100+ sized hordes

[mental zinc]

It's advertised as an elite killer dps

[warm meteor]

we also have a level 10 feat with the exact same name that boosts staff damage lol. so i got confused

[subtle linden]

our lowest toughness and lowest max hp out all 4 makes us a glass support

[frigid plume]

my issue is that in the time it takes me to pop 1 head I can kill like 5 or 6 of the same specials with a lasgun

[nimble gorge]

Yeah, I just like the instant gratification of the other staves. Maybe if the flames were more visible I’d like purge more

[clear heath]

Even as a support class, which i think psyker is very useful as, it would probably be good if it had a bit more damage to feel more satisfying

Like i don't really want lightning staff to be a dps weapon
just let me kill garbage with it if i cast like, twice

[frigid plume]

I think the psyker needs mostly a lot of work to improve its feel rather than strength

[hazy ibex]

if smite killed elites in 4+ I think I would be happy

[twin comet]

anyone want a team going to get brainburst monstrosity?

[warm meteor]

its funny that one of our core traits is a damage buff lol. but since its awkward and doesnt have feats to back it up the damage boost from warp charges just feels tacked on and pointless

[south zephyr]

I'd be down

[frigid plume]

the lightning staff has one weird thing its good at and that is killing scabs in one heavy on malice or lower

[twin comet]

I have to get it on psyker and I have a shield ogryn tho hes only l;evel 16

[craggy bluff]

down for that as well

[ornate hamlet]

Like I said, shooter for damage. Psyker to Pop heads of specific target. If u have a crowd with elites in it or behind the shooter cannot deal with them specific. Psyker can pick them out, behind walls and also running around after he ones got a lock

If you want damage, for sure the psyker is not the first pick

[clear heath]

Psyker isn't actually that good at killing with headpops at higher difficulty tho

[south zephyr]

I can bring my ogryn if needed

[clear heath]

Like occasionally it's nice

[warm meteor]

deflector should have been a default passive on the force sword. then the blessing shouldve instead deflected bullets fired at you while blocking

[twin comet]

can take turns and swap then

ill send my steam code to you two

[frigid plume]

its not that I want the psyker to deal more damage I want the class to have a more defined roll that isn't done better by other classes

[hollow hatch]

I've played Zealot Psyker and Veteran so far and I've got to say... Zealot is boring as fuck.

[clear heath]

It's not like i don't use it, but it feels bad spending 6 seconds on brainburst a bulwark to headpop them 3 times on heresy when a vet could kill them with a bolter in half that time

[south zephyr]

Yes but, flamethrower

[vivid merlin]

Psyker is an all-rounder that jacks off all trades and masters none

[warm meteor]

i love running around with a combat blade and never dying personally

[twin comet]

@craggy bluff 109063098

[ornate hamlet]

I have both right now. Shooter and psyker. I like both, different playstyle. Shooter to go crazy with Bolter. Psyker to be more tactical, choose targets, thinking about where to act

[devout halo]

jacks off all trades?

[mental zinc]

It is not the vision for the class though. It need some changes

[silent bay]

is the armory gear score based on what you have equipped or highest gear score you have in your inventory?

[warm meteor]

vet is my least fave. i dont even have one on my account lmao

[mental zinc]

Pretty sure its level based

[devout halo]

what is the vision of the class?

[twin comet]

anyone else wanna join for the penance brainburst monster? so we dont get a random

[mental zinc]

Elite killer

[warm meteor]

if they give us a steel legion skin or subclass i might bite

[hollow hatch]

The Thunder hammer feels horrid to use. I can't believe the heavy charge attack doesn't obliterate hordes. Totally failed on the fantasy of that weapon.

[vivid merlin]

it would be nice to have something at which we excel beyond uhhh cc at the expense of doing anything else

[celest hedge]

I feel like psyker feats are in need of a rework or at least some placements moving around, since they have kind of anti synergy with 2 of the level 30 feats

[south zephyr]

sent friend request

[frigid plume]

not really, I can do everything as the vet that the psyker does and do it better. I know this from the experience of slogging through level 30 on both

[south zephyr]

@twin comet

[silent bay]

oh really? so once i hit lvl 30 im capped at the gear score items that appear at armory and contractt vendors?

[ornate hamlet]

Good description. Close combat, range combat, fast moving. True, all a little but nothing perfect

[warm meteor]

have him talk about how orks are the real enemies, these chaos boyz are panzies compared to ork commandos he had to face

[vivid merlin]

if veteran is a better all rounder than Psyker then so be it

[mental zinc]

Yes, white items max atm is 380

[vivid merlin]

doesn't contradict

Isn't it 360

[warm meteor]

we also have a secret buff that gives others more ammo and grenades. since we never need them lol

[clear heath]

I personally like how psyker plays right now. Brain burst could be reworked for the better, and damage is a bit undertuned, but it's still very fun for me

[celest hedge]

A lot of psyker’s feats revolving around gaining charges and maintaining as many as possible, but 2 of the 3 level 30 talents that would synergies with the other play styles eat up warp charges, which means you’re discouraged from using your ult

[mental zinc]

100% 380

[vivid merlin]

I need my shop to roll better then

[warm meteor]

BB needs a buff for higher diffs but im happy atm

lots of cool stuff in our kit

[vivid merlin]

where do I pay my aquilas

[frigid plume]

there is currently one thing the psyker excels at above the others and it is killing assassination targets because the force sword when you use a charged heavy on the special attack it deletes about 1/3 of the bosses health

[twin comet]

One last asking if anyone wants to join us 3 for the Brainburst monstrosity penance

[warm meteor]

cant wait till iget a deflector sword and style around as an all melee psyker

[worn canopy]

Hello siblings

[silent bay]

thats primarily why i like using the kinetic slayer feat along with flame staff

[worn canopy]

And kindred

[celest hedge]

Brain burst could be a bit faster and maybe cheaper to cast at base but I like it

[ornate hamlet]

For me it does not matter. I like to level my psyker. Exactly because it is not so clear how to and not so fast. Shooter is always, buy biggest gun, go buum.
Psyker is more about it, change spells, change playstyle. Think where to engage

[south zephyr]

share build?

[vivid merlin]

for the sheer emphasis on brain burst and killing with it in the implied kit via traits brain burst sure does feel shitty to use and maintain charges

[south zephyr]

I think I've had the most success on psyker when I actually ignored stacks and WC as a mechanic

[mental zinc]

On higher difficulty u fall into either stunbot or horde clearer role.

[vivid merlin]

I just don't BB unless I have 0 other option

[silent bay]

could probably be better but im using 1-3-1-2-3-2

whoops wrong tag @south zephyr

[frigid plume]

the psyker doesn't really change "spells" the staffs are just different guns without ammo but they instead get you killed if you aren't careful

[warm meteor]

yeah its super funny that we have obvious traits designed around a BB build but it doesnt pay off

[ornate hamlet]

Ok, sad to hear that

[frigid plume]

the vet every gun excluding like 2 is a very solid weapon with its own purpose

[signal turret]

I really want to like this Purg staff but there are so many situations where its like, "if I had my Surge this would be trivial"

[warm meteor]

horde clearer is valid tho. people forget that specials and elites are not threats unless a horde is supporting them

[clear heath]

Everyone always compares the other classes to Vet. It's like, the only class no one brings up problems with.
Pretty funny how vet players now get to see how it feels to have their class screwed over, with the toughness bug

[signal turret]

I also feel like its a lot easier to carry with Surge, borderline suicidal people sometimes

[clear heath]

too bad this is also the same patch where i decided to raise a vet

[celest hedge]

You don’t get a good soul burn talent until level 25, and that encourages you to pick communion at 15 to trigger it more often, but then the level 30 talent that’s suppose to help soul burn removes all your stacks which means you have to spent a lot of time building it up again to reliably burn stuff

[silent bay]

it just gives a lot of opportunities to proc kinetic slayer, could use a recon lasgun if you want

[tropic halo]

luv' me staff. luv me' surge. 'ate purge staffs, simple as.

[frigid plume]

the voidstrike does do some of the best horde clearing

[south zephyr]

what do you run with surge?

[vivid merlin]

if you ever use your purge staff next to a zealot flamer you feel really inadequate

[silent bay]

you can animation cancel the surge staff as well

[vivid merlin]

it's less damage less burn less stagger less range

[mental zinc]

Yes but thats zealot/ogryn primary role atm, a vet is way better than a psyker on high play

[tropic halo]

you and the guy the emperor told you not to worry about

[south zephyr]

zealot flamer does feel way stronger than purge staff

[silent bay]

just swap to melee while you're charging surge staff and start hitting the CC'd horde

[signal turret]

Lol need this in 23 chromosome speak

[regal raft]

Existing next to a zealot or sharpshooter makes the psyker inadequate

[warm meteor]

and unlike the flamer it doesnt guzzle ammo. plus vs poxwalkers its basically free to fire since your peril negation is so efficient on it

[twin comet]

@south zephyr @craggy bluff ok got one more

[signal turret]

By that do you mean my melee?

[frigid plume]

I was also disappointed that the purg staff lingering burning does not count as soulfire

[celest hedge]

I like purge staff’s peril management better than having to find ammo and reload

[silent bay]

i just prefer the proc chance on purg staff over voidstrike

[south zephyr]

feats mostly

[silent bay]

for kinetic flayer

[vivid merlin]

oh yeah killing with the purgation burn DOESN'T COUNT AS WARP DAMAGE which is hilarious

[silent bay]

just wish it wasnt every 15s

[vivid merlin]

so it doesn't trigger the 10% toughness trait

found that out yesterday

[frigid plume]

what do you mean? I proc everything almost every time I shoot the voidstrike into a horde

[celest hedge]

Free BB is super powerful, so the 15 second cooldown is deserved

[south zephyr]

the 15s CD wouldn't be bad actually if stacks fell off 1 at a time

[hazy ibex]

but imagine how fun it would be without the cooldown

[frigid plume]

didn't even realize that either

[signal turret]

Swap lvl 10 feat for inner tranq depending on my luck

[ornate hamlet]

i like void strike its fun to use

[clear heath]

Well stacks fall every 25 seconds. Having 10 seconds to get that 10% rng proc isn't a big deal if you're hitting multiple enemies

[frigid plume]

the worst part is that the purg staff looks like it should be built around with some of the soulfire perks but it doesn't actually interact with them

[south zephyr]

using force sword with it?

[celest hedge]

BB is you best single target attack, and being able to do it for free, without having to charge it like a normal brain burst, on top of any attack you do is nice

[signal turret]

Yes, with Deflector

[south zephyr]

tfw no deflector

[silent bay]

did they buff BB in the higher difficulties?

[clear heath]

BB is a pretty bad attack at higher difficulties when it takes 3 to kill an enemy

[south zephyr]

not yet

[silent bay]

it didnt scale in the pre-beta so felt useless in difficulties 4/5

[celest hedge]

The purge staff is great with a warp charge build thanks to tranquility and communion

[signal turret]

Would still say running Kinetic Deflection is worth it. You may not be able to block ranged without Deflector but you'll still be a clutch god when someone goes down mid-horde

[vivid merlin]

listen here you big eared freef

[celest hedge]

I meant in general. I don’t think any of the other staves can compete in single target damage, and BB role is high single target damage

[warm meteor]

ogryn does it with less safety and flamer zealots guzzle ammo. we are not the best but we do perform the role efficiently without resources. and sometimes that can be the difference between someone having ammo. maybe making ammo less abundant could make psyker feel better to play? idk right now i play them cuz they are fun tbh. the void is also a super horde clearer that has a lot of range on a flamer zealot so that must count for smth. but it is true unless we pull out all our tricks we fall behind. but with a deflector force sword and a horde clearing staff we can do alot of cool stuff at least. and ogryn should be better mechanically since their hitbox is a detriment at times tbf. but yeah we are prolly 3rd or 4th best class and it can feel bad

[clear heath]

this is so sad

brain burst damage

[vivid merlin]

Alexa play despacito

[celest hedge]

Even if the damage fall off in higher difficulties, a free instant BB is still nice burst damage

[silent bay]

fully charged voidstrike bomb feels pretty nice, but dont know how it compares with BB in terms of dmg

[signal turret]

In my time running Purge in T3 just to get a feel for it, I feel like im more reliant on the group? If that makes sense. I can't delete or control ranged as quickly as Surge

[vivid merlin]

I don't know how fatshark can fix the fundamental problem of warp charges and brain burst feeling shitty to use but I hope they just do

[warm meteor]

brain explodes and he just sits their like its nothing

[clear heath]

ogryn doesn't need brain

[celest hedge]

Imagine if every attack you do had the chance deal extra damage equal to like a chain or force sword special attack

[mental zinc]

They just need do some changes either to bb or new staves or rework exisisting staves. There is no reason to choose psyker above any class on 4/5 atm. A vet is a lote better at everything we do. Power sword swipes hordes also.

[signal turret]

With my Surge the other 3 people in the party might as well only be there if I get pinned by a dog or something, I could solo T3 with my Surge and FS if disablers werent a thing

[vivid merlin]

Power sword is wild that it doesn't lose its charge after a swing

It's actually nuts

[warm meteor]

id want it to CC the target the whole time, and one shot anything that isnt a boss. brains make thing alive, no brain equal ded

[hard breach]

There is one reason. If you have more fun playing psyker

[celest hedge]

On T3, your brain burst is still reliable, and in that case, the level 30 talent for fast charging would make up for that by letting you pick off multiple ranged targets quickly

[mental zinc]

I mean sure, that's why i play it

[vivid merlin]

I imagine everyone talking here in the Psyker chat likes Psyker on some level

[clear heath]

Psyker feels the most balanced for malice tbh

[signal turret]

Even if it was T1 im still not using BB

[lost elbow]

They can probably rework it if smaller changes won’t work

[clear heath]

but anything harder and you feel like you should just change your job to stun grenade

[regal raft]

I don’t even need a team with my purgatus, but I have a god roll. Although I have a god roll BIS for each staff and force sword.

[warm meteor]

id also like better feats for it. a build that made it replace your primary ranged because its so effective could be cool but idk

[signal turret]

You have the uninterruptable perk on yours?

[vivid merlin]

a brain burst reflector that bursts your own brain for massive damage

[warm meteor]

what blessing on the purge?

[celest hedge]

BB taking multiple hits to kill big stuff in higher difficulties could be fine if it was faster, and I don’t think the level 30 talent is fast enough for how any extra bursts you need

[tropic pollen]

thinking about how force sword’s block field should let us catch autogun bullets and grenades and throw them back like Ion Titanfall 2

[vivid merlin]

I love popping my ultimate ability so I can spend the next 6 seconds killing one crusher

makes me feel like a real special assassin

[warm meteor]

its an issue when its 45 peril per use as well. taking 3 or more uses is just not okay

[lost elbow]

Does Peril Resistance only effect build up like charging brain burst and surge?

[vivid merlin]

especially when I can't move or block or attack during it

[signal turret]

This is why I take Quicken. Ult is almost always up if I smooth brain my peril or need to spam alt-fire longer than usual

[celest hedge]

I take it the talent that makes enemies take extra damage after a brain burst isn’t enough to make it useful still in higher difficulties?

[warm meteor]

you can dodge during it, which can feel like a meme against snipers when you auto lock on to their heads and then dip where they cant shoot you

[signal turret]

Kinetic Barrage is a dead talent unless you're going for the 90% HP monstrosity penance

Or Pick n mix

[vivid merlin]

yeah I know

[regal raft]

Here’s what I can tell you all about the differences of each staff once you have it at BIS with a god roll. They each individually one shot, so cc is a non factor unless it’s the ogryns. That being said the Purgatus is wonderful for wave clearing everything but the ogryns and monstrosities, surge is very good for damaging individual targe with some quirks, as in specifically elites and ogryn unites, it’s burst on max stacks is incredible and you stop with the spam light casts unless it’s to get people out of your face or take some time to clear out trash mobs.

Voidstrike is super good for distant targets and passing through alot of heavier mob types, and ironically Trauma does the most fucking damage for no particular reason but it’s all in at the cost of everything being in your face super easily.

[warm meteor]

people grab it for not losing warp charges on ult

thats it

[frigid plume]

wrack and ruin is also an absolutely worthless perk, brain burst an elite to give 2 stacks of soul fire to nearby enemies, which translates to 4 damage a second for like 10 seconds

[celest hedge]

If BB takes a ton of hits on dif 4/5, than isn’t it actually viable there as a support talent?

[vivid merlin]

9 times out of 10 if a sniper is on me I'm not switching to brain burst I'm just delivering the next voidstrike directly at him

[celest hedge]

It’s a team game, so team effects are nice

[celest hedge]

I also found the range to be terrible

[vivid merlin]

it is in fact slower and more effort to try to isolate him in the brain burst targeting

[regal raft]

The only reason I won’t use trauma is because it’s reLly annoying to deal with things in your face without melee specific weapons, and I don’t want to deal with that.

[celest oar]

https://i.imgur.com/losR9VV.png this is such a... terrible synergy

[clear heath]

Nah, kinetic barrage is useful for some builds just because it doesn't remove warp charges, which is important for the peril resistance per warp charge perk.
It's funny how the selling point isn't the actual effect, but the fact that it doesn't have the downside of the other 2 options

[frigid plume]

yeah 3 meters basically means you need to expert target the elite in the middle of a horde

[harsh cobalt]

my issue with trauma is all of the enemies that end up behind your frontline allies, because of how far it throws stuff

[warm meteor]

with lacerations yes, but still needs to be faster to be viable at higher skill levels. it can feel redundant when most high health targets are getting killed before it goes off. but in boss fights lacerations can be helpful if you have room in your build for the feat

[vivid merlin]

shaping the horde with conflag is a time honoured wizard skill

[signal turret]

Hahaha the fact that some builds only find it useful because it meets the 1 criteria of not dumping your warp charges

[vivid merlin]

however it doesn't really work here

[lost elbow]

Sometimes it feels like taking pot shots when trying to get an Elite or Special with brain burst

[ornate hamlet]

so does anyone know max level

because ive seen it go past 500

[harsh cobalt]

it's around 600 probably

[vivid merlin]

that's what trauma needs, an aoe patch on the ground

that'll make it almost good

[harsh cobalt]

if trauma just dropped enemies to the ground where they are instead of flinging them around - it'd be baller

[celest hedge]

Kinetic barrage is nice when the BB is useful at kill, and when it’s not, it at least makes up the difference. Kinetic barrage with lacerations would be a nice support option

[warm meteor]

leaving AOEs could be fun, especially if they did work, imagine setting up walls that could make it so poxwalkers walking thru it eventually die to a DOT or smth to protect a lane

[celest hedge]

That one staff that left the fire pillars on the ground was great in verm 2

[warm meteor]

or even that enemies touching the wall get blasted back

[regal raft]

Two different ones, one is 481 and the other is 484, one is crit chance modifiers with the crit chance stacking with peril and soul burn, contrary to belief soul burn is actually viable and applies to first damage hit and not burn since purge does crit frequently, and it will. Crit everything in that line instead of a single target.

The actual reason you don’t want soul burn is because there’s no point in having extra dmg when you can kill everything anyways.

The other is charge time and uninterrupted, which is much better for purgatus, you don’t need more dmg, you jsut don’t want to deal with anything annoying

[signal turret]

With the absurd cost of Trauma's alt-fire it should just delete whatever is within its radius minus the tankiest elites

[vivid merlin]

it's really funny that despite a 15% multiplicative boost to single target damage its actually barely even worth doing

that's how bad brain burst is

[grave owl]

What’s a good weapon combo?

[vivid merlin]

it's great in theory if you close your eyes

[clear heath]

I use kinetic barrage just cause it doesn't drop charges. It doesn't feel that useful, but i just don't want to take the other two.
If they buffed BB, then it would help a lot in making it not feel like a throwaway perk

[celest hedge]

Dumb question, but can kinetic flayer cause a cast of brain burst to deal damage twice if the 10% triggered?

[warm meteor]

what do you use as your level 25 talent. BB chance?

[vivid merlin]

any brain burst can cause another brain burst with the extra brain burst trait

[warm meteor]

im not their yet but BB chance looking sexy tbh

[vivid merlin]

but it's not reliable and!! Still not worth doing, lol

[regal raft]

Depends on the staff but for surge and purgatus, yeah. I have different builds for different staffs.

[celest hedge]

And if kinetic flayer can cause BB to double cast for free, would lacerations make the second BB stronger?

[vivid merlin]

it would not because its nonwarp damage

[celest hedge]

Did not realize that about the perk

[vivid merlin]

it's 15% additional nonwarp damage

[harsh cobalt]

me: wants to be a space wizard. Game: here's a wide selection of assault rifles for purchase. I swear, my game is trolling. Because it's all I see. Half the store are just guns all the time

[warm meteor]

none warp so best paired with chainsword for boss melting

[devout belfry]

Yeah. It's pretty lame.

[vivid merlin]

so it's also less useful (already not that useful to begin with) if you have multiple Psykers

[clear heath]

BB chance is the best choice imo. Free damage, helps with maintaining warp charges immensely, and it helps you proc the 30% toughness on warp charge gain from the first tier of perks.
It's a no-brainer

[regal raft]

Dmg isn’t important with it, it’s for gaining the stacks so you can rapidly get 4 stacks then spend them all to use the burn AOE on class ability to rapidly clear a room, burn with purgatus, rapidly stack charges, clear room with ability, repeat

[lost elbow]

There’s just way more guns than staffs I think

[celest hedge]

Or maybe pair with a revolver so you can BB, quick switch, and pop a quick headshot for bonus damage?

[warm meteor]

yeah thats why i want it. procs super easy on even the weakest AOE staffs so the quick warpcharge early in the fight is nice

[harsh cobalt]

yes, but the store needs to be slightly curated so classes get things people would be more inclined to buy. It can't be just all random, it's so dumb

[signal turret]

This is true pain

[regal raft]

Yeah

[warm meteor]

cool to have extra damage when focussing bosses but its the warp charge i want

[harsh cobalt]

yes, it's all autoguns. Not just on psyker, on my vet too. Store is just autoguns

[celest hedge]

I would just like a normal even mix, I almost never get curios or melee weapons on my vet so my melee options are limited since I sold all my old low power ones

[warm meteor]

especially since its not like i can choose for it to go off on targets the BB would be useful burst damage against. prolly will just overkill a poxwalker

[quartz geyser]

ey, not bad 372/400

[regal raft]

I hate the talents we have as it’s so one dimensional for what you can build for surge and purge, meanwhile there’s no real good picks for void and trauma.

[grave owl]

What’s a good melee weapon for psyker?

[vivid merlin]

despite all assurances to the contrary in marketing, Psyker simply isn't that mindblowing

Hahahaha get it

[mental zinc]

max is 380

[harsh cobalt]

I am enjoying the hell out of a force sword right now, but it's quirky

[warm meteor]

so void doesnt like peril resist per warp charge?

[cosmic sail]

what lvl 20 talent?

[vivid merlin]

I think force sword takes it for single target, one of the maccabians for hordes? Some swear by combat axe

[clear heath]

I literally can't comprehend who would take the soulblaze on brainburst perk over the free 10% brainburst chance

When soulblaze damage is like

[regal raft]

Class weapon, force sword, hood for juggling enemies in your face and if you want to kill something you can use your special, you have your block attack, aka the push which is good for getting some large groups quickly ccd in a panic if you make a mistake in positioning and it’s super fucking good against the suicide bombers

[celest hedge]

Peril resistance is amazing for purge staff, with the chance to quell peril on kill, you can lose more peril on kill than you get while holding down a door with fire

[clear heath]

who designed these shitty DoT effects?

[vivid merlin]

Dueling sword is also a class weapon

I don't think the others get it

[lost elbow]

Not even good enough for hordes?

[frigid plume]

its so weird to me that the dueling sword is unique

[grave owl]

Thanks I’ll keep at the Force sword then

[vivid merlin]

Good enough to kill one singular mook in a horde?

[ruby garden]

whats the best way to get cliffhanger?

[vivid merlin]

why would you

[frigid plume]

how many times did you get it to stack to get 28 per tick?

[ruby garden]

such a pain in the ass

[frigid plume]

for me its only 4

[plucky perch]

read a to be continued book

[regal raft]

It does, not like it matters since it costs barely anything to begin with, and it’s annoying to gain stacks with, that being said there really is only like two good options in that tree, either get force weapon dmg or peril resistance, doesn’t really matter

[celest hedge]

The refinery mission, or the mission where toy get the ammo

[ruby garden]

boy I love restarting a mission 100 times and begging randoms to play ball with me trying to get this

[warm meteor]

its not great but tbf if ur proccing it often it could be 4 stacks on an already blazed target so ur jumping to like 100 dps or even higher

[gray kelp]

carrying a potato group with surge staff is an arduous task

[celest hedge]

For the refinery, at the end you push them in the middle hole, in the ammo, you have someone hold them right in front of the plane at the end and push them off the bridge

[vivid merlin]

the tier he's talking about is where when you get an excess warp charge it turns into 4 stacks of soulblaze on 1 target

[harsh cobalt]

quietitude works on passive peril quelling, or just with R and your ability? That perk that restores toughness for quelled peril

[celest hedge]

An type of quelling, including your ultimate

It’s very versatile

[warm meteor]

i do wish the level 30s extra warp charges was from anything dying while blazed rather then from blaze itself

[sharp apex]

cliffhanger is making my eyes bleed

[harsh cobalt]

so it converts peril into toughness even passively, when it slowly goes down by itself? That's what I'm asking

[grave owl]

How do you push them, with F or with push back?

[left hare]

how does the void strike staff work

[clear heath]

bro it targets 1 enemy and a trash mob in damnation has 200 hp
also, it's not targeting trash hordes anyways

[left hare]

Is it a hoarde clearer?

I am confused with this staff

[ruby garden]

the push on F seems extremely weak, you need to get them from the side while allies bait them it seems

[lost elbow]

Vigil Station Oblivium and right near the end hordes come from two thin bridges (without railing) that you can just push off.

[vivid merlin]

I don't think it returns toughness from the passive quell

[celest hedge]

I think anyway, but you can really only do it with your ult

[vivid merlin]

I would have noticed

[gentle wind]

Салямалейкум я умею кастить смайт на ультрамаринов, вопросы ?

[gray kelp]

alt fire is a bigger version of primary attack basically. It basically clears the entire horde in a straight line and can cc specials/elites to an extent

[warm meteor]

there is a map that makes cliff hanger super easy

[left hare]

At what charge will it stagger special/elite

[celest hedge]

It will give toughness even with passive quell, including the quell on kill. You can get to high peril, switch to melee, and passive get it over time as you fight

[vivid merlin]

the end run on the plague tree mission

[clear heath]

Toughness on warp charge feels so much better than the other perks, even if you never brain burst.
The free warp charge and brain burst perks help it so much

[vivid merlin]

they all come out of a door that's next to an edge

[tawny nacelle]

english?

[vivid merlin]

now that it's just 7 targets it's super easy

[warm meteor]

idk what it is but it has a horde spawn with a teeny tiny spot for them to group up and you can kill 20 plus easy with a coordinated push. so 7 should be simple

[harsh cobalt]

yes. It's secondary charge up blast works like a missile with a cone-shaped AOE behind it. So ideally you want to shoot multiple enemies in line or in a corridor. Any amount of enemies that are in a straight line. DOn't blast it at the ground, it doesn't work like that

[regal raft]

I’m pretty sure it is unless they changed it

[gentle wind]

Хуинглиш

[ruby garden]

the warp charge one isn't very useful for low levels though

[celest hedge]

If you quell peril manually, toughness, if you quell peril passively, toughness, if you quell peril with your ult, toughness

[warm meteor]

hmm the descrip sounds like its othgerwise but im not level 30 yet to test

[gray kelp]

got run n gun on this fml

[harsh cobalt]

@left hare

[regal raft]

Yeah it’s from any source that does while under the effects of soul blaze, not soul blaze itself.

[celest hedge]

I do like how each class has a generalist toughness talent

[left hare]

Cool

[subtle linden]

375 base

[frigid plume]

Ты говорит по-английски?

[gentle wind]

Аххахахаха гугл переводчик ?

[mental zinc]

English chat

[warm meteor]

grammatically speaking the "any source" is referring to sources of soul blaze, not damage killing targets who are soul blazed

[dull cedar]

oh god they start talking warp shit

[warm meteor]

so its written as if its the soul blaze that has to kill it

[celest hedge]

So your level 10 and 25 talent can trigger it

[gentle wind]

Yes, I speck English

[frigid plume]

Нет, я изучаю русский язык десять месяцев

[celest hedge]

Even those talents trigger the warp charge anytime you have the 30 talent or do you need to have used r for that to work?

[gentle wind]

Пацаны, в варпе конечно было хорошо, но у вас тут тоже хорошо

[frigid plume]

Had to switch to my phone to use my Cyrillic keyboard

[regal raft]

No it literally functions as anything that dies while soulblaze is on it has a 10% chance of gaining you a stack.

I know, I use it regularly. It has problems and that’s not one of them, the problem is that it wears off quickly

[dull cedar]

stop talking in chaos you fkin heretic

[clear heath]

If that's how it works, they should change the description

[warm meteor]

but thats not what the ability is saying, so they should change its description to match its in game effect

[midnight oak]

I liked it

[regal raft]

Yes they should, they should be doing a lot of things with psyker they’re not

[gentle wind]

Хаос пришел на твою землю, отдайся дарам дедушки

[warm meteor]

either that or soul blaze is the thing killing stuff when purge is burning

[regal raft]

Are you really surprised at this point that they put something in that doesn’t do what they originally typed out?

[warm meteor]

someone test it with friends. burn things but dont kill them and see if you get charges

[dull root]

Is there some form of consensus on what the more or less best build is for psykers currently?

[dull cedar]

dont come near me I dont want to grow horn

[frigid plume]

ill be honest my russian is pretty shit

[clear heath]

Just burn things and hit them with your sword for like an hour in the psykanium if you really want to test

idc enough to try it tho

[tawny nacelle]

ngl i wish all russians were ip banned in everything 🙂

[regal raft]

You can figure it by just going into tier 1

[midnight oak]

Psyker community too toxic

[regal raft]

No need for Allie’s you can easily see what I’m saying

I’ve been using this for the last 50 hours because of it.

Enjoy the tip

[gentle wind]

Your Russian is very good for a beginner

[clear heath]

I tried for a few minutes and didn't get the charges, but it could be rng and i don't want to test for longer. I'll just take your word for it

even if it works, i don't want to play a burn build anyways

[dull cedar]

nah, change that to chinese

[tawny nacelle]

nah the things russia has done towards ukraine warrants getting ostracized

[ruby garden]

for fucks sake, I hate randoms

[tawny nacelle]

that too

[ruby garden]

"help me get cliffhanger mr random man" "ok" proceeds to do NOTHING OF THE SORT

just bait the horde you asshole

[midnight oak]

Ahahahahahhaha

[mystic burrow]

male or female loner?

[warm meteor]

i will test when i reach level 30 to be sure before i go all in. there are too many games where vets with 100s of hours thought smth with all their heart that wasnt true for me to change my main staff choice over a comment on discord hahaha

[midnight oak]

Only war

[regal raft]

It’s 10% chance so yes, I recommend doing what I did and do it on an endless run

[warm meteor]

id also accept youtube video evidence

[frigid plume]

soulblaze needs to deal the killing damage to get a stack of warp siphon for that one perk, the staff doesn't count as soulblaze so only the perk giving you siphon chance per kill is giving you the stacks

[dull cedar]

true loyal servant

[gentle wind]

nah the things russia has done towards ukraine warrants getting ostracized

[warm meteor]

this is what drunk soraka is saying is incorrect

[midnight oak]

I am

[gentle wind]

Так что иди нах

[frigid plume]

ill leave the politics of europe out of my chats here

[hard breach]

No politics

[regal raft]

Go for it, and your welcome for the explanation. This is why I can solo on damnation, I recommend it.

[warm meteor]

and soulblaze from the staff should clearly be a "source" of soul blaze, since its DOT is the same effect

[clear heath]

Also just to make sure, are you absolutely sure you aren't getting them from the 4% charge on kill perk?

Like you tested it with that perk off right?

[frigid plume]

ive been testing it in actual matches because the proc doesn't work in meatgrinder

[gentle wind]

The right choice, here we rest and play

[regal raft]

No you guys are just reading it wrong here, let me point out the confusion. Because their description is fucking horrible

[harsh cobalt]

psykinetics wrath affects all staff attacks I'm guessing? Wording on it is kinda ambiguous

[warm meteor]

so i have two vets on psyker who are giving me different info

not slightly different, completely opposite

i am so confused

[hard breach]

Just hopped in again, what are they saying?

[tropic halo]

yeah welcome to this channel, take what you read here with a grain of salt and then just chase it with the rest of the shaker

[warm meteor]

if one of you are lying you are misleading a player who isnt even comfortable enough to attempt diff 4. i am a smol child and you are corrupting my brain

the audacity

its like when my father told me dinosaurs lived 6000 years ago

[regal raft]

You don’t need anyone’s explanation, jsut read the description here I’m posting it.

I get the confusion because their description is fucking horrible like every other, but it works the way it works.

[warm meteor]

i have the description in front of me

[hard breach]

What perk are we talking about?

[warm meteor]

level 30 fire focussed perk

[hard breach]

Oh fire when ultimate?

[warm meteor]

10 percent chance to get warp charge when soul blazed enemy gets a lil too blazed

[regal raft]

Doesn’t matter, this isn’t for you only it’s for the entire class

[clear heath]

Ok i tested it and Drunk Soraka is right.
Burned a little and then nuked them with force sword's weapon special, to make sure the sword was the kill.
Got a warp charge. I don't have the 4% perk equipped either

[regal raft]

Any Source

[clear heath]

They just need to be burned

[bold maple]

yeah it's any source

flame staff applies

thats why if you see a horde that's an instant 4 stack

[warm meteor]

"killed by your soul blaze effects" the (from any source) is referring to the fact that several feats and weapons can give soul blaze stacks. thats what the grammar is describing

ur saying i can light smth on fire and pull out my chainsword for stacks

[clear heath]

Yes it's grammatically wrong. It does not need to be killed by a soul blaze effect. It needs to be killed while having the soul blaze effect on it

[clear heath]

correct

[regal raft]

Of course I’m correct, it’s why I’m saying it, I’m not explaining this for fun, I get nothing from helping others, I’m explaining how it works because it helps you guys

And because fatshark is a foreign developer with horribly written descriptions in English

[warm meteor]

okay awesome

[bold maple]

isnt fatshark british

[warm meteor]

shhhh idk

[mental zinc]

Swedish

[regal raft]

No, polish if I remember right

[warm meteor]

im gonna google that actually since that would be funny as hell

[hard breach]

Swedish.

[regal raft]

^

[bold maple]

they're martian innit

[regal raft]

Swedish is correct yeah

[warm meteor]

also they clearly have english speaking staff tho

[clear heath]

don't think about it too hard

[warm meteor]

so even if the company is swedish, they arent lacking in english speakers

[potent echo]

I don't think this is right. From experience

[warm meteor]

and its not like we find grammar mistakes in their games

[clear heath]

game still feels beta in more ways than just perk descriptions
they got other concerns

[hard breach]

Ngl while i got what it was saying, there is better ways of writing it

[bold maple]

fatshark's just dumb dont think about it too much

[clear heath]

Bro i literally just did it

I can test it again and record it I guess

[regal raft]

They have people they outsource to do translations, yes, but even a person who isn’t from a language who goes to another language still struggles with the more complex descriptors

Point being most games and anime translations

[warm meteor]

and for every supporter we have a counter opinion

[potent echo]

Without the 4% on right?

[clear heath]

yes

[warm meteor]

i am confusion

is this possible to test in the psykanium

[clear heath]

yes

[regal raft]

Anyways I’m going back to making my food.

[potent echo]

Maybe they changed it at some point I remember testing it in the preorder beta early and it didn't work

[regal raft]

Your welcome again

[warm meteor]

does anyone have the ability to video said test

[clear heath]

I could

[hard breach]

English is 2nd language we learn here, this is mandatory. My countrymen have mixed results though on how good they are at it

[clear heath]

gimme a few minutes. I gotta get good rng

[lament glen]

So my understanding is that the meat and potatoes of FS is all Swedish, but the CM's are both English.

I'm not an employee though so don't quote me on that

[warm meteor]

json, i know its an annoying ask, but a vid with proof you dont have psychic communion on would be amazing

[potent echo]

Seconded, thanks a bunch but I can always test myself in the evening later

[warm meteor]

as long as you have evidence you dont have communion selected then that would be awesome

[hard breach]

I would say i also know it works but I run communion as well. I like the way it works

[warm meteor]

then if someone would pin the vid that would be even better, then we can show proof when people cry about purge

[bold maple]

lv 30 fire perk is objectively the best out of the three so you should pick it anyway even if it doesnt work like that

[warm meteor]

tbf the cooldown per charge can give amazing up time on staffs

[potent echo]

Until warp charges give meaningful breakpoints, yea

[hard breach]

Btw does anyone know if surge can come with soulblaze blessing?

[mental zinc]

Only if u have another way of getting soulblaze applied

[warm meteor]

the cool down can get so low its usable twice within 10 seconds

[bold maple]

thing is lv 30 fire perk is a 'fire and forget'

you can walk into a room, press f, go to other things then come back 10s later to see it cleared

[mental zinc]

What difficulty are u playing? also 10s lmao

[warm meteor]

but i wanna remember and come out blasting all the psychic abilities

[clear heath]

Here, i showed my perks and weapons just to make sure

[bold maple]

heresy

[clear heath]

Even had to change weapons cause my force sword has soulblaze on crit lmao

[vivid merlin]

the best bit is you can do it through walls

force wave penetrates everything

[clear heath]

but yeah it works

[warm meteor]

wait. how did you deselect feats

[mental zinc]

Mobs dont die with just an F on herecy

[warm meteor]

you only have a level 30 feat?

[clear heath]

Right click

[warm meteor]

how does one do that

[ruby garden]

ok I'm just going to have to try and get this while doing regular runs because the logistratum bridge start requires a full team of people to bait the horde and not kill them apparantly

whats a good map for trying to get cliffhanger done

[bold maple]

they die with 6 stacks, just like yo momma

you can deselect other feats

[warm meteor]

omg

[mental zinc]

So u spend 6 stacks to kill the lowest thrash mobs? that doesn't seem good at all

[potent echo]

Oh wow what a gamechanger. Goodbye 4%

[warm meteor]

i can now play games with zero feats

[hard breach]

Cliffhanger much easier now with significantly less mobs needed

[ruby garden]

I know but I still cant get it done

[warm meteor]

someone pin that video

[ruby garden]

enemies just fail to line up nicely on a ledge

[elder saddle]

From 20 to 7. Massive change imho

[potent echo]

Dreg riflemen, the biggest threat in the game, die to this dot

[bold maple]

monster isnt any easier tho, smh

[rapid pivot]

Was there a wipe!

[ruby garden]

and my F push is really friggin weak tbh

like they just stagger 1 foot

[warm meteor]

yeah the soul blaze DOT actually lasts a good while

[rapid pivot]

Ain't had a chance to login since last week

[elder saddle]

I think the strength of it stacks with warp stacks?

[ruby garden]

does it? doesn't say that anywhere

[elder saddle]

I think, might be wrong

[hard breach]

Def not

[warm meteor]

soraka your comment was shown to be correct by a very good psyker main

[regal raft]

@warm meteor oh also, to explain the exact confusion, they don’t mean killing with soulblaze as in the act of soulblaze killing something, they mean it as in killing something with soulblaze as in killing something with soulblaze, as in with soulblaze present while you killed it with whatever’s else.

[bold maple]

nerd

[clear heath]

it's ok drunk, i already showed video evidence of you being right

[warm meteor]

i understand what you mean. its just that the sentence written doesnt mean what you mean

if that makes any sense

we have video proof now

so thank Json

[regal raft]

I don’t need your validation, I told you to help you. Like every other time I just read off the equivalent of the dictionary for 40k. I’m trying to help you here.

The dictionary is the dictionary

[warm meteor]

i get that but without any validation you are just another white van offering candy

[regal raft]

We both get no say what is in it

[warm meteor]

and thats a horrible way to sell candy

[bold maple]

fym that's a great way to sell candy

[regal raft]

Fair enough, it’s why I don’t trust anything you say either.

[warm meteor]

i lie on purpose

[regal raft]

Especially when you can’t listen to the dictionary when it’s read to you.

[warm meteor]

i told someone that flashlights stun daemon hosts

i am a menace to society

[bold maple]

ban

absolutely disgusting

[clear heath]

It's just that it's objectively wrong in how it's written.
"Killed by" means it needs to be the actual cause of death

blame the writer of the description

[regal raft]

Can’t even say thank you for a level 30 BIS user with over 110 hou-

Actually fuck all of that, it’s irrelevant, can’t even say thank you for someone who stopped what they were doing to go out of their way and help you learn something to make you have more fun with the game,

Jesus.

[warm meteor]

you didnt read me a dictionary. you described smth that wasnt written in the game and then acted like proof wasnt needed when ur comment contradicted whats written in the game itself. its not just a poorly written description, its telling me that blue is red when its actually blue. its actively lying to us

you want thanks?

json did the work

im so confused

[regal raft]

again, your welcome, like every other conversation I’ve tried having with you.

[mellow crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

[regal raft]

Where you stubbornly ignore everything black library directly types out to us

[warm meteor]

i actually read the chapter he burns the garden. its not the whole garden that burns

[clear heath]

The thing is, someone else was saying something different so it's word without evidence vs word without evidence. Would you want us to blindly trust the first thing a person we don't know says? I would consider that unideal

I don't want people trusting me without evidence either. That's a bad precedent. People should want evidence

[warm meteor]

you misread what was written, the page says "everything in the flames path was burned". but the flame didnt cover the whole garden

aka garden still there

[spark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-mojo-jojo-him-thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine-evil-gif-4746375

[bold maple]

the amount of astolfo pfp running around in this channel is alarming

[mellow crescent]

Never trust someone with an astolfo pfp.

[warm meteor]

the main reason i didnt believe you is because, its true that a chaos gods territory is tied to their power as a god, and every daemon lore master told me otherwise in an unrelated conversation before we ever met online. so you were someone telling me incorrect info

[clear heath]

There's also the fact the other guys were saying the exact opposite. If we were to just believe what someone was saying, why shouldn't we just believe them?

[warm meteor]

also im autistic

[clear heath]

I'm sure they were also just trying to help, despite ultimately being wrong in the end

[mellow crescent]

Does this mean we can have teammates killing hordes of soulblaze-ed enemies to farm stacks for us?

[warm meteor]

poke a bomb it explodes

[mellow crescent]

And combo it with the 4% perk for funnies?

[clear heath]

idk, but i would assume so

[bold maple]

why are you autistic

[warm meteor]

and combo it with 10 percent BB chance on attack to proc 4 charges in one flame torrent

[mellow crescent]

BB was never meant to be used.
Fatshark put it there to make us think of better ways to get stacks.

[warm meteor]

because i was diagnosed? or genetics? idk how it works

i got a piece of paper saying i have ASD tho

[bold maple]

thats rough

[warm meteor]

no its not

im high functioning, so it comes with alot of perks tbh

[frigid plume]

asd?

[warm meteor]

autistic spectrum disorder

[frigid plume]

oh

tbh that spectrum is so large it basically describes nothing

[bold maple]

tru

[warm meteor]

are you a psychologist or just a person

[signal turret]

How many skill capes do you have in runescape

[frigid plume]

don't need to be a psychologist to know about the broadness of the definition of autism