psyker-class

[weak copper]

I just like the auto-targeting that the charge has when it runs by LOL

[split elm]

Hmm

[gloomy obsidian]

Facts

[patent hatch]

If you want CC run force sword. Push attack is kinda crazy

[split elm]

Just noticed you can block tank the daemonhost

[vocal agate]

core class mechanic thrown out of a window, if you do not run specific build to get warp charges different way

[weak copper]

It's a blessing on the sword already

my force sword has it

[patent hatch]

Yeah that’s how u kill it. Who ever is targeted just perma block everyone else go ham

[weak copper]

you can block ranged attacks with the blessing and it's pretty based

[static epoch]

I've checked store so many times and not seen it yet 😦 😦

[gloomy obsidian]

Yeah Way Better CC

[mild canopy]

emperor's gift

[static epoch]

I am waiting for it to show up and then try it with the peril block

[vocal agate]

deflect force sword and block costs peril feat, good fun combo

[mild canopy]

a cruel joke 😔

[bleak tulip]

other two subclasses are likely biomancer and pyromancer if I had to guess

perhaps biomancer is gonna be more melee focused, keeping in line with unchained

[gloomy obsidian]

The Emperor ran outta staffs😭

[patent hatch]

I mean while playing support/CC I run force sword and chain lightning’s staff.

DPS I run chain sword and void strike

[hard breach]

Not one to fully indulge in Palpetine?

[glossy hemlock]

im having a hell of a time putting together a loadout for psyker. Shop keeps giving me axes and revolvers. Manged to try a staff but ended up either killing myself or very frequently almost killing myself. Not really sure where to go from here. Any tips?

[bleak tulip]

revolver is pretty neat for leveling until you can get a better staff

I enjoyed it

[gloomy obsidian]

Revolver early is best

[bleak tulip]

but yeah basically you just gotta keep checking the shop like the rest of us

[gloomy obsidian]

Sadly

[glossy hemlock]

this feels painful lol

[patent hatch]

Staffs are OP. It’s just a case of getting used to the peril meter. I’m a big fan of inner tranquility which gives -6% peril I think per stack. Combine that with psychic communime or kinetic flayer and you don’t have to worry about it

[gloomy obsidian]

Trust, you will get it, It wasn’t until level 24 for me till I got the Void strike staff

[patent hatch]

I got mine at level 11 lmao

[glossy hemlock]

alright, well im lvl 10, so just go revolver for now?

[gloomy obsidian]

Yeah should be fine

[static epoch]

just buy the highest rated weapon every 5 levels 🤡

[gloomy obsidian]

True

[boreal wave]

What kind of staff was it

[glossy hemlock]

force surge? i think

[patent hatch]

Yeah Psyker is quite weak in the early levels as you don’t have the perks to build around. Last 2 tiers are kinda build around perks

[gloomy obsidian]

That explains it

[untold kestrel]

was it a ground target aoe, big ball aoe, fire, or lightning?

[gloomy obsidian]

Lightning

[glossy hemlock]

primary target was single ball of force, secondary action was charged force lightning

[untold kestrel]

oh he literally said surge. my bad

[gloomy obsidian]

No worries

[untold kestrel]

yeah surge is hardest peril to manage

[boreal wave]

Yeah with the surge you just gotta pace yourself

[thick surge]

the trick to using surge is to never charge it and just spam chain for cc

[patent hatch]

Yeah it can be a bit funky

[gloomy obsidian]

Only 6 Targets stunned too 🥱

[ripe stone]

shame that you can't just go full electric palpatine all the time, but there's gotta be balance somewhere.

[boreal wave]

Trick with the surge is don't bother charging it in most cases. It's gimmick is the strong stun, and it gets the full stun even with minimal charge. Surge staff makes you a stunslut

[patent hatch]

It’s probably the best staff in the game. But only at higher levels

[gloomy obsidian]

Truth

[ripe stone]

so what, you just tap right click?

[patent hatch]

Pretty much

[glossy hemlock]

and now that im back at the store, its all autoguns and axes.....facepalm

[boreal wave]

Right click to start the charge, his left click to fire

[gloomy obsidian]

On special elites yes

[untold kestrel]

the fact that theres a lot of diasgreement between which staff is best (ignoring trauma) means that they are all relatively balanced. thats a good thing 🙂

[patent hatch]

Axes are kinda nice. Melee weapons are a bit more flexible on Psyker

[ripe stone]

ah, so like, "rolling shots" from VT2's archer class.. just click right/left

[gloomy obsidian]

Well actually between void and surge but sure 🤓

[patent hatch]

Flamethrower is not very good. Cause it takes away all of your range capability.

[glossy hemlock]

currently running a mk 2 blaze force sword. idk if thats any good however

[wise ruin]

am i the only one who hates how psyker holds the imperial edition sword like who the fuck holds a sword in the middle of the handle

[untold kestrel]

i agree, but there are plenty of people here that love flame

[boreal wave]

Just hold right, tap left while holding right.

[ripe stone]

ah

[boreal wave]

And give yourself time to breathe

[gloomy obsidian]

😭👍

[patent hatch]

Oh I like it, fun af. But from a meta perspective it’s just kinda bad

[spiral escarp]

Max cloud radius and the range is nearly like a surge staff

[patent hatch]

Range?

Nope

[gloomy obsidian]

Acshually 🤓

[patent hatch]

that’s the only thing stopping it competing with Void Strike and Surge

[gloomy obsidian]

Range is always a skill issue with staffs.

No range = mid

[patent hatch]

What I would love to see is just make the light attack into the normal bolt

[spiral escarp]

Cloud perks affects the range

[patent hatch]

Like the overs

[patent hatch]

Not enough to compete with the overs lol

[boreal wave]

Yeah ALL the staffs need to have a thematic primary fire

[patent hatch]

I’d prefer that

[gloomy obsidian]

Overs 😭

[boreal wave]

The purge staff does. The void staff already has its thing

[bleak tulip]

trauma staff shoots a donut

[spiral escarp]

It is a mix of void and surge. Kills horde like void and cc like surge. If you want range that’s what bb is for

[gloomy obsidian]

I want Psyker to yell with each trauma staff secondary

[boreal wave]

Trauma should bank on its "no visible transfer of energy" thing. Maybw like a mini BB that just makes their teeth explode

[gloomy obsidian]

DIE! YOU! HERETICS!

[boreal wave]

Hope chaos has a good dental plan, nerds

[patent hatch]

Teeth Tapper?

[bleak tulip]

sabotaging nurgle by making him bless his whole army with new teeth so they dont starve

[gloomy bough]

well hello there. that's a spicy crafting base.

[cinder obsidian]

It’s almost funny the flame staff is the only one to have one, and it’s horrible

[gloomy obsidian]

Yoooo

[bleak tulip]

hey look thats basically a god roll lol

[gloomy obsidian]

Damn lucky fucker

[patent hatch]

Dang

[patent hatch]

It’s just shit

[gloomy obsidian]

It’s ass tier damage

Like bruh 10 damage a tick on secondary

Nah

[small egret]

Bruh I'm mad

[cinder obsidian]

Doesn’t help that literally all the soulblaze talents just suck

[fair axle]

Lol, that's literally not how it works tho, but mmkay

[bleak tulip]

go on

[patent hatch]

The ultimate is alr

[small egret]

It's true, it does deal very little damage. The thing is it deals the damage like, all the time in a big cone that also stuns enemies hit. + the soulblaze can stack infinitely

[patent hatch]

Apart from that it’s shit

[cinder obsidian]

It’s actively wrong

It doesn’t give stacks to everyone hit

[patent hatch]

What?

[cinder obsidian]

It gives stacks in a tiny cone in front of you

[spiral escarp]

People just looking at a weapons numbers and have no clue 😂. I bet he thinks the surge staff kills hard because his dmg over 300

[patent hatch]

Bruh

[delicate shell]

voidstrike or purg?

[bleak tulip]

lv 30 soulblaze talent just adds more stacks, which in and of itself is pretty poor

since dot sucks shit

[patent hatch]

Voidstrike is a lot better

Dot damage is just bad in most games idk

[bleak tulip]

why wouldnt you take the railgun staff

[cinder obsidian]

It’s so laughably tiny, that it can actually miss people who are right on top of you

[fair axle]

I swear this game if full of retards.. Most of them probably Vets and Zealots that doesn't have a fucking clue... It is sad.

[gloomy obsidian]

Cmon even I know surge doesn’t kill

[cinder obsidian]

And just barely to your left and right

[delicate shell]

the surge staff isn't bad tbh

just maintain your peril and you can stun enemies infinitely

[split elm]

Surge is great for some missions yeah

[gloomy obsidian]

Elites mainly yes

[severe leaf]

As lvl 30psyker still have no clue what weapons i should go for if i want to go cc or dps...can you guys bless me with the wisdom of the emperor?

[chilly ore]

whats the tactic with Voidstrike? Spam secondary like Surge or charge fully?

[gloomy obsidian]

Also No, started as a Psyker and yes the number was a joke I know purge staff is good for damage

[devout halo]

trauma

[bleak tulip]

I swear to fuck we need a sign to tap at this point

[boreal wave]

Eh I've secured a fair number of special kills with the surge. If they have carapace they take extra damage, at least with the bonuses on mine

[delicate shell]

trauma staff...gave me trauma I thought it would be like sienna's conflag staff oh boy it is not

[gloomy obsidian]

Test damage against enemies in Meat Grinder, you’ll see for yourself and learn quickly which fire modes do more to what

[devout halo]

it's better

[delicate shell]

[devout belfry]

The multi hit staves are great at procing the head pop talent.

[devout halo]

that is a good emote

[zinc phoenix]

Force sword for offensive because special nukes elites when comboed with BB. dueling sword for defensive because zoom dodge. Purgatus is a better surge and when traited right 111232 you get a lot of free toughness and BB from it as well as loads of burn. Voidstrike gives horde and special clear with like mass headshotting

[delicate shell]

lol

[devout halo]

the head pop talent has a 15 second cooldown

[zinc phoenix]

Knife can also be really good but we don’t really have bleed traits

[zinc phoenix]

It does, but it doesn’t matter

You’re picking it up for free

For the warp token stacking

[severe leaf]

Thanks

[devout halo]

i'm not saying it's bad, you just don't need multi hit staves to proc it

[devout belfry]

Yeah, but it makes it insanely easy to keep your stacks, all your toughness up, and etc.

[gloomy obsidian]

Me when Discarding Grimoires

[zinc phoenix]

If you’re using purgatus you’re not gonna have much time for BBqing stuff for your stacking

[devout belfry]

I'm still not sure how I feel about all the staves. Do any have unique affixes?

[bleak tulip]

no

[devout halo]

I don't really care about stacks, they just come with kills and 10% chance to headpop

[devout belfry]

On difficulty 4 or 5 I don't even bother with manually casting brain pop. The damage isn't high enough for me to bother.

[zinc phoenix]

You should, they give you a big damage boost and you can dump em for fire with one trait

[devout belfry]

The trait that gives you stacks on coherency kills keeps me maxed by itself for the most part.

[gloomy obsidian]

Void strike Secondary noise is

[zinc phoenix]

Yep that one and the free rando BB are how I keep ‘em up

[devout belfry]

Yeah, way better dps than manually casting pop pretty much ever.

[devout halo]

maintaining stacks is a dps loss imo, and the fire trait seems bad

[devout belfry]

Excluding an errant sniper.

[zinc phoenix]

Fire is good once you stack enough on a target. It starts low damage and then escalates into insanity

[devout belfry]

The stacks let you hit big breakpoints. Especially with stave left click.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s frustrating how psyker drops below the important OHK and 2HK breakpoints as difficulty goes up

[gloomy obsidian]

Factual

[iron flame]

... Hmm weird I saw a horde coming on the bridge for the last part of espionage mission. Used F on the horde. Non of them seem to fall off T_T

[hardy fog]

Same

[devout belfry]

Force sword push works better lol

[real kindle]

I need tips for "Going Out With a Bang". I've been at it for hours and I just can't get it done, and I'm tired of burdening my team.

[zinc phoenix]

You thought you shouted but actually you burped

[devout belfry]

When I logged in after launch the game gave me so many penances lol

[iron flame]

T_T

[gloomy obsidian]

Raid mode Chasm Logistratum Left side of bridge after the drop down, best spot to corral them

[zinc phoenix]

I think we got all the ones we had bugged progress on from beta because same thing happened

[devout halo]

i have the stacks on coherency feat selected, hence why i don't really worry about stacks - they just come

[devout belfry]

Apparently the game thinks I don't have access to the forge though. 🤷‍♀️

[zinc phoenix]

🤣

That sucks

[devout belfry]

I have access just not the penance lol

[zinc phoenix]

Omnissiah be 😡

[devout belfry]

I have the steam achievement too. -_-

Has anyone found any cool unique perks on the staves?

Or the force sword besides blocking bullets?

[iron flame]

Same here

[inland juniper]

Force sword can block bullets??

[devout belfry]

There's a perk that's a must have imo that can roll on it. It's pretty amazing for revives.

[zinc phoenix]

There’s a trait for it. I stupidly trashed it before I found out about the forge transfer ability

[devout belfry]

Especially with the block going to peril spec.

[zinc phoenix]

I would probably not use a staff for that build 😂

[vague forge]

I ran that forever, with stam curios

better tank than an ogryn

[inland juniper]

I want a Blasty Duelist build to aim for

[devout belfry]

It's my "carry this shit team" sword lol

[inland juniper]

I love the psyker lore

[devout belfry]

What's the difference between the 3 dueling swords? Besides one looking cooler.

[iron flame]

Does it build perils real fast?

[devout belfry]

If you block something chonk

[zinc phoenix]

Not insanely but if you’re using a staff too it’s pop city

[vague forge]

i found that peril from blocking never went to max before it started hitting stam

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it mentions that in the trait

[thick surge]

mk5 has defenses stat, mk2 and mk4 have cleave stat. Mk2 has overhead and stab heavy, mk4 has only stab heavys. mk4 variant is the best imo

[zinc phoenix]

How much cleave can you get on mk2?

[devout belfry]

There are four levels to each trait too.

[nova needle]

What does cleave do btw?

[devout belfry]

The two bars on each side mean that one is level 2.

[zinc phoenix]

Are we talking big cleavage going through a dozen poxwalkers or it just gets you a second one when you hit

[iron flame]

What it said... Hit more ppl

Oh

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but cleave is a numeric stat and mobs have different cleave cost. So like a pox walker is 3 and if you have cleave of 8 you can hit 3 pox walker max

[thick surge]

it's not a big cleave, but defenses stat is pretty garbage. If you can roll either variant with everything near max except defense/cleave you're good

[zinc phoenix]

Because you can pay 6 cleave for the first two and can’t cleave the third but still hit it

[wise ruin]

do the burn stacks count as soul blaze or no?

[small egret]

No

[devout belfry]

Nope.

[wise ruin]

ah okay usually i play with staffs but just got that from emperor so i was wondering

[devout belfry]

Do regular burn stacks cap at 6?

[bleak tulip]

press v and hover over it there

[devout belfry]

Damn, guess the infernus cheese is over.

Unless the higher level trait had a larger cap lol

[nova needle]

For the first feat do you guys use warp absorption or quietude. I’ve been using warp absorption but recently change to quietude. Quietude much better especially in higher tiers

[devout belfry]

The first once you get free sources of head pop.

[untold kestrel]

if youre running both of the free stack perks then warp absorption

[honest briar]

Anyone got any tips for the 5 elite/ specialist kills in 12 seconds? I find my brain burst doesn’t recharge fast enough…

[cinder obsidian]

I'm still unsure about what counts as a 'warp attack'

[polar gulch]

lvl 30 feat

[devout belfry]

Brain pop, force stave abilities, and force sword overcharge.

[untold kestrel]

anything a staff does, and force sword charged attack

[cinder obsidian]

if an enemy dies from soulblaze, does that count though?

[untold kestrel]

no

[nova needle]

Anything you use peril, so staffs, force special attack, BB

[untold kestrel]

best thing you can do is hope for 5 gunners/shotgunners

[cinder obsidian]

So trying to use the one which gives toughness for warp attack kills with the flame staff doesn't really work

[pine hearth]

staffs count as force weapons?

[nova needle]

Yep

[devout belfry]

Of course.

[honest briar]

Yeah it’s always reapers and mutants for me though hahaha

[devout belfry]

They're force staves.

[cinder obsidian]

I wish the melee bash of the staves had more of a point

[obtuse walrus]

I wish it stunned more

[cinder obsidian]

it's so laughably bad, it's not worth even considering

[devout belfry]

Yeah. It's lame.

[cyan echo]

i dont know why, but since release switching between weapons with Q feels less responsive

[cinder obsidian]

they could've totally used the extra button to do more interesting stuff

[obtuse walrus]

Since the only reason why I'd use the bash over anything else is to get something away from me long enough to get a melee out

[digital pagoda]

Is quelling peril feat the best one for regenerating toughness?

[devout belfry]

I wish the other 3 all didn't have the same left click. I want a hit scan thunderbolt.

[cyan echo]

in my opinion yes

[obtuse walrus]

Special button to brain burst

[nova needle]

Can you post link here? I found a really in depth video of psykers feats.

[obtuse walrus]

You can upload Images

So probably

[cinder obsidian]

I ironically wish the flame staff had the basic primary fire so it's not completely screwed at range

[nova needle]

https://youtu.be/4PbKuULfvKM

[obtuse walrus]

RealAsianRobot

[thick coral]

is this a good place to ask help for penancce?

[obtuse walrus]

😴

[mint imp]

Oh yeah about that quelling peril feat to regenerate toughness, it's only through manual quelling or does it work when your peril lowers naturally?

[honest briar]

Which one?

[obtuse walrus]

Any quelling

[fair axle]

12s should give you 4 seconds to spare for venting.
With the level 30 feat you get 6 seconds to spare.
This is a lot easier to do on Damnation where there is a lot of elites/specials.

Go into Meat Grinder and figure out which you can one shot with a brain burst..

BB --> Elite skill --> BB x4

[thick coral]

the 90% damage monstrosity one

[obtuse walrus]

Natural, forced, f ability

[mint imp]

I see, oh so it works as well when we F!

[thick coral]

and killing 4 elites by exploding

[mint imp]

Thanks a ton

[honest briar]

I could do with aid on that so we could assist each other if you like

[obtuse walrus]

It used to be better in closed beta when the f ability purged 100%

[weak galleon]

Talk about unlucky.
Everything is great except the blast radius.

[thick coral]

ok ill message u when i get home today

[obtuse walrus]

But I still find getting 50% toughness for simply doing my class feature (especially with a quick quell speed from a good staff)

Is super useful

[cinder obsidian]

Wait a minute...

I just realized

the rating is just the total percent in all the bars

[obtuse walrus]

Plus feat plus blessing

[plain quail]

Did they nerf the lighting staff?

[cinder obsidian]

it's just straight 1:1

[bleak tulip]

congratulations

[obtuse walrus]

Which is why you wanna find like a 450 grey weapon

[weak galleon]

Yes.
And then feats/blessings add their own values.

[bleak tulip]

you figured it out

[fair axle]

Honestly they seem to have redone how fast we quell now, so I find quell speed sort of useless above 50%.. It's a shame it's not 80% blast radius tho instead of 80% quell..

[cinder obsidian]

that's useful knowledge for optimizing stuff

[weak galleon]

ye, 80% blast 48% quell would be insta buy and upgrade for me.

[plain quail]

I feel the lightning staff is kinda wierd atm

[obtuse walrus]

If you find a 450 Grey weapon, it is perfect. Hold onto it

[plain quail]

Sometimes do dmg and sometimes not

[weak galleon]

349 white is probably the highest staff I've ever seen

[fair axle]

Do 450 even exist?

[cinder obsidian]

I don't think they even go that high

[obtuse walrus]

Provably not

But if you do

[fair axle]

Highest people have reported is 380

[obtuse walrus]

[weak galleon]

and im over 100 hours in

[obtuse walrus]

I had a 400 grey once

Too bad it was an autogun

[devout belfry]

They did change the curve. Part of that vague line about changing logarithmic curves to linear/exponential.

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

[topaz peak]

Hey all, quick question: Can the Trauma staff be used as effectively as the Conflagration (I think) staff in VT? Like spam secondaries to stagger hordes?

[weak galleon]

Absolutely not. it's not even close.

[plain quail]

Did they nerf the surge staff?

[bleak tulip]

dont need 400 grey

[obtuse walrus]

Any amount of quell speed is useful, dropping 6 seconds down to 3 is nice

[weak galleon]

<BW/Sienna main.

[devout halo]

it can stagger anything except mutants

[bleak tulip]

pretty much every weapon has a dump stat anyway

[topaz peak]

Ah ok gotcha

[devout belfry]

I mean, if you're decent you can stagger an elite in the horde. But there are way better ways. It kinda sucks.

[obtuse walrus]

Void Staff my Beloved

[ornate hamlet]

pysker is so bad they really needs to fix it, and i am a pksyer main

[plain quail]

Void staff is not good imo

[topaz peak]

Got it, thanks all for the replies

[obtuse walrus]

Seeing a horde disintegrate fills me with joy

[fair axle]

I just don't find it useful.. especially not on purgatus that on a horde constantly reduces peril by 10% from kills, but I guess it is staff dependent

[devout belfry]

Everyone has different stave opinions.

[ornate hamlet]

I wouldn’t say that Psyker is bad, I think it’s gameplay loop needs a bit of rethinking

[weak galleon]

wdym?
it's definitely the most satisfying to use.
Surge is good for helping your frontline.
Voidstrike for yetus deletus on incoming horde.
Purge is inbetween.
Trauma doesn't exist.

[obtuse walrus]

I hate the flame staff

[zinc phoenix]

Ah yes, Sienna Funanagroceries

[lost pike]

Voidstaff is so damn fun with quell

[obtuse walrus]

[devout belfry]

I don't really see the point of using ammo on the horde.

[obtuse walrus]

I don't use ammo, I use my mind

[devout belfry]

Or your ranged.

[plain quail]

what stats for good voidstaff then ?

[mint imp]

wait Defences stat actually increases dodge distance wtf

[zinc phoenix]

“just psyker main thoughts”

[weak galleon]

It's Fuegonasus. Pay some respects you fool. 😄

[ornate hamlet]

When you play on 4-5 it’s advisable to try to delete a portion of any horde before it gets to your team

[pine iris]

Headshot height aiming with a fast lasgun is really effective

[devout belfry]

Yeah. But it's easy enough to just use your melee ala Vermintide lol

[pine iris]

But not fast

[devout belfry]

I'd prefer my ranged weapon be for elites or taking out something out of range.

[rapid forge]

This. Voidstrike is perfect for higher difficulties if you prefer the horde clear to the CC role.

[lost pike]

Imagine having options

[pine iris]

That's not darktide, with its adapt-to-the-moment gameplay

[zinc phoenix]

I groan when I see vet burning ammo on horde because I know they won’t be shooting any specials. Just let the flamer/psyker/ogryn handle it and use your dang power sword like god intended

[ornate hamlet]

CC is only as valuable as the bolters your team is bringing

[burnt tapir]

Surge Staff feels so much better than it did in beta. I think the damage calculation changes helped it out a lot. It actually kills things on dif 4/5 now.

[weak galleon]

No. it's a great deal of help to frontliners. Especially if they aren't very good.
makes their life much safer.

[ornate hamlet]

If you are running surge and don’t have the team to clear the elites you can get into trouble fast on high difficulty

[weak galleon]

Zealots I played with really liked it when i brought Surge.

[devout belfry]

They changed the damage per charge point to be linear as far as I can tell.

[rapid forge]

But... We have ranged single target anti-elite literally built into our class in the form of BB...

[obtuse walrus]

Surge staff is arguably good, I'm just not into its gameplay.

[ornate hamlet]

Surge is the most useful staff currently

[obtuse walrus]

[zinc phoenix]

CCing 6 targets is nice, but void strike nuking your way through everything in your path is better 🤷‍♀️

[devout belfry]

BB is ass. Takes forever and doesn't even one shot most things.

[burnt tapir]

Also, turns out Dif 5 is way too easy. It's possibly easier than 4

[ornate hamlet]

Pushing away bursters

[obtuse walrus]

Bb is fun

[ornate hamlet]

Neutralizing ragers

[obtuse walrus]

Space Magic haha

[weak galleon]

True, I'm mostly voidstrike, despite surge being the only orange staff I have.
Messing around with Purge rn, though

[visual adder]

Anyone else randomly dying in the middle of fights?

[ornate hamlet]

Bb needs some thought

[cinder obsidian]

Agreed. doesn't mean it's good

[devout belfry]

Force sword Alt fire.

[vague dune]

BB is ass later on

[robust geyser]

thoughts?

[inland juniper]

A X e

[obtuse walrus]

I also love keeping my 6 warp charges for more void staff spam

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t think too hard or your brain might burst

[burnt tapir]

Weird looking Mk V dueling sword you got there

[lost pike]

i cant bring myself to use anything other than the force sword

[devout belfry]

There is nothing BB does that a veteran doesn't do in one left click.

[sweet fractal]

Vet here who wants to learn psyker, how many different force swords are there and how good are they?

[ornate hamlet]

You can’t alt fire 5 ragers and 2 crushers at the same time homie

[cinder obsidian]

one

there's one force sword

[obtuse walrus]

I only use the force sword since I got a blessing to block ranged attacks

[robust geyser]

wot

[ornate hamlet]

This is true

[sweet fractal]

Fuck

[zinc phoenix]

😂 welcome to being psyker here is your one of each type

[obtuse walrus]

Which comes in super useful

[devout belfry]

You can't hit more than one target with BB.

[weak galleon]

I mean... yeah. Internet taught me there's alot of things some people consider... "fun"

[burnt tapir]

Is joke, Mk V dueling sword best melee 2022

[ornate hamlet]

I’m talking about surge staff brethren

[sweet fractal]

I'm continuously reminded how shafted psykers are lmao

I'm sorry

[obtuse walrus]

I like the Catachan Sword for the parry

[robust geyser]

i guess dueling sword is cool, but then u cant kill crushers fast

[cinder obsidian]

Give me my two-handed sword fatshark

[burnt tapir]

It does though? or maybe its just my rending

[cinder obsidian]

you showed it in the trailer

[devout belfry]

Ah, we were talking about BB.

[robust geyser]

why i prefer force sword for an option in close range

[robust geyser]

maybe not sure

[weak galleon]

Tbh, Axe Mk5 is close, due to how push attacks work in Dtide.
And FSword is quite safe option too.

[cinder obsidian]

at this point, I don't even care if it's a force weapon or not

though I'd love it if it was

[ornate hamlet]

BB needs a rework

[zinc phoenix]

What do you mean our ult is glorious. Hold button for three seconds to kill one thing, maybe explode yourself in process! So much better than regenerating most of your toughness or knocking down everything in front of you

[devout belfry]

Force axe would be my love.

[thorn sphinx]

any1 miss the old bolt staff from vt2?

[devout belfry]

I am a woman of taste.

[obtuse walrus]

Bb with the level 30 perk is bonkers

[cinder obsidian]

A lot of psyker's feats could use a rework

[mint imp]

Should have let us have the force special attack on all melee weapon as psykers

[ornate hamlet]

BB is only viable with the reduced cost and cast time lvl 30 perk

[obtuse walrus]

Yeah I feel soul burn is shit

[devout belfry]

The Vegeta staff. My favorite for one shot breakpoints.

[obtuse walrus]

[vague forge]

new psyker subclass that DOESNT have brainburst - just waiting on it

[zinc phoenix]

Even that is just not very good

[devout belfry]

Test it on the grinder. It is fucking awful.

[pine iris]

if you main'ed boltstaff in VT2 technically you were practicing for DarkTide combat the whole time

[obtuse walrus]

Psyker subclass with surge as its ability

[lost pike]

Give force sword special kills warp charges

[obtuse walrus]

[zinc phoenix]

Psyker - Sith Lord

[ornate hamlet]

It’s better than base haha, but I feel you. I use it as my ohh shit button in 4-5 to try to prioritize killing one reaper or crushed

[mint imp]

Oh yes pleaz

[sweet fractal]

Or considering how often I have to wait and give the BB a chance to kill even tho I could of done it quicker, wish psyker got some love

[weak galleon]

bonkers? More like... it's okay.
Use ulti, delete a crusher. or a reaper.
Like... Pyro's ulti did in Vt2. Worst ulti in the game.
but yeah, stagger and removal of 50% peril is nice.

[vague forge]

why does soulblaze suck so much?

[mental whale]

i got so lucky today

[devout belfry]

You don't get much control over procs and the damage is terrible.

[cinder obsidian]

Because it's vastly unsupported

[obtuse walrus]

If soul blaze effected more targets and actively staggered hard
It'd be goid

[zinc phoenix]

Coherency warp charge trait is this but better

[devout belfry]

You have no way to scale up brain bursts damage or the damage of class abilities such as soul fire.

[vague forge]

even if you get like 3 stacks of soulblaze on something it doesn't do any damage

[thorn sphinx]

do you think with max cooldown reduction, Kinetic flayer, psykinetic aura, quicken, % peril resist per warp charge feat, it would be enough to spam surge staff infinitely?

[ornate hamlet]

Yah there isn’t a reason why soulblaze effect is only on elites

[vague forge]

like 6 damage per tick, max

[cinder obsidian]

The trailer made it seem like there would be a way to detonate stacks of soulblaze, but on retrospect, there was just a barrel in the middle of the enemies

[pine iris]

+8% on specialists is fat!

[ornate hamlet]

It’s damage is nominal anyway

[lost pike]

ehh, its ok. I'm not saying to replace that, however.

[zinc phoenix]

Soulblaze is good if you go purgatus and really build into it but otherwise it’s a why

[cinder obsidian]

I've done this

it's not good

the soulblaze feats are all horrible

[devout belfry]

Why?

[zinc phoenix]

Too bad there’s no “toughness damage reduction for each soulblaze on enemies”

[cinder obsidian]

not even worth using

[weak galleon]

Misleading advertising at it's finest.

[pine iris]

Soulblaze softens up mobs fast

[ornate hamlet]

I bet if you looked at most high level players we are all specced around passive warp charge and the speed pops

[zinc phoenix]

It stacks a good bit of damage and you can spam it everywhere

[ornate hamlet]

Soul blaze stacks burning on top of purga burning = big damage

[cinder obsidian]

just like the two handed sword

[mental whale]

yeahh!! being able to spam voidstrike staff nonstop at 0% peril is abit busted too 😄

[vague forge]

the level 30 feat for soulblaze, if you get 6 stacks of warp charges, actually can clear a wave using your class wave ability

with soulblaze

[zinc phoenix]

It’s very nice

[cinder obsidian]

If it worked correctly

[fair kayak]

Purgation staff is for babies

[devout belfry]

On difficulty 1? Lol?

[vague forge]

on malice and heresy

[cinder obsidian]

And actually hit everyone you knock back

[devout belfry]

I'll hold on to my stacks thank you.

[cinder obsidian]

instead of a tiny cone infront of you

[red marsh]

is there a gear powercap yet

about to hit lv 30, not sure what the grind looks like now pre crafting

[lost pike]

babies? lmao, whats with the gatekeeping on what people prefer to use

stop it

[vague forge]

the hitbox on the class ability is wonky. sometimes it feels like it hits everything, sometime it's like a sneeze

[ornate hamlet]

I would actually just love for FS to have a timeline for implementation of crafting mechanics and to have their official take on psyker

[devout belfry]

Not much to do besides buy the highest level thing on the shop to move your gear score up.

[cinder obsidian]

Nah, I straight up tested it in the meatgrinder, things would get knocked back but not be lit on fire

[ornate hamlet]

They kept saying they were having a ton of fun playing psyker in their twitch stream.

So I wonder if they think it’s finer

[devout belfry]

Post launch balancing of the really busted bullshit - psyker has been doing work on streams.

[mental whale]

is that really the endgame?? 😦

[vague forge]

i've used it a lot, reame, sometimes an entire room will get set on fire. sometimes only 3 dudes.

[candid temple]

grind materials

and wait for crafting

[visual adder]

Im new to tide games and I’m playing psyker. Any tips?

[devout belfry]

I just dislike the complete lack of class perk choices. The illusion of choice.

[wheat monolith]

Love me Force sword love me void staff

Simple as

[red marsh]

i feel like psykinetic wrath has the same issue as the staff L1 projectiles so its unpredictable while moving

[cinder obsidian]

Yeah, a lot of the feats are just bad

[hot ice]

who needs an ogryn with a shield against a daemonhost when you can have a psyker with kinetic deflection

[rotund oxide]

chad

[devout belfry]

For now. Save gear with level 4 traits on it.

[pine iris]

it's day 2 of the game, level up another class if you're bored with your level 30 psyker. (idk how)

[devout belfry]

Most of us were playing for a while now lol

[red marsh]

me numbies go up, i need it

[cinder obsidian]

and sometimes it's not even one feat in a column being good and the others bad, and more so one feat just being the lest bad

[gleaming siren]

am i lucky too? also: reds when

[bleak tulip]

whenever the game actually runs properly and they arent doing damage control 100% of the day

[mental whale]

but u cant spam it infinitely into hordes 😛

[vague forge]

I feel like a lot of psykers sleep on the force sword activatable. If you get a sword with decent damage you can oneshot crushers on malice.

[cinder obsidian]

how did you get so many legendaries?

[lost pike]

I don't think I could go without Quell on my voidstaff

[pine iris]

if you're bored scour maps for plasteel with me 😦

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I feel like most of them I’m using no matter what build because the alternatives are poo

[gleaming siren]

i played 80h in beta

[hardy fog]

Crafting??

[gleaming siren]

yea crafting ofc

[rotund oxide]

its goated af

[cinder obsidian]

I've tried to do crafting

[hardy fog]

Im also already full legy with 3 legs staffed

[cinder obsidian]

But I just haven't been finding enough crafting materials

[red marsh]

i feel like a highlevel force sword or chainsword is a must have. The dmg is so high on alt fire

[devout belfry]

When speed running grims/scriptures I tried out silly builds. But they're all so inefficient. But they can be fun.

[hardy fog]

How many hours you played?

[fair kayak]

force sword is all I use these days

[hardy fog]

Materials are almost fix after a mission

[worn jewel]

1. Pray to RNGesus that the shop/gift gives you a high stat item
2. Consecrate it
3. Collect similar items with the traits you actually want.
4. Wait for ObeseFish to add the fracking crafting features in

[fair kayak]

its too good

[cinder obsidian]

~75 hours

[red marsh]

ObeseFish 😂

[hardy fog]

Than I don’t know what you did . I’m 90hours in an fully legy. Sorry to say that 😦

[devout belfry]

Gotta get a bit lucky lol.

You have very little control over what you're handed.

[zinc phoenix]

I leveled up and got bored of psyker before they added crafting mats 😢

[devout belfry]

I'm working on my preacher this week. Gotta pick a voice actress first though lol

[worn jewel]

The game is forcing me to use the purgatus. Stat 366, 364, 360 staves. While my surge and voidstrike languish at 340ish

[hardy fog]

So crafting mats you should have enough to be honest only if you don’t look proper

[vague forge]

gotta really scour maps to find the materials - it's like a 50/50 chance that your group is the type that goes BRRRT BRRT LASGUN POWERSWORD VET FULL STEAM AHEAD or the types that will carefully look in all the nooks and crannies for 10 plasteel

[pine iris]

"plasteel? I dont know what that is, looks heavy... I'm not picking it up" I did this until level 10

[cinder obsidian]

I'm getting more than enough plasteel, but I'm getting little to no Diamantine

And I'm looking around a lot

[worn jewel]

They buffed Diamantine drops in malice as well; up to 65 now if ye bother to search

[candid temple]

my kingdom for a dual-wield force weapon combo!

[ornate hamlet]

Yeeessss. So good when you have a quick “brain burst” like that in melee.

[devout belfry]

The rarer resource is a commodity later on. At least I have a reason to play on 3+

[burnt tapir]

Meh, turns out dif 5 is easy enough that that's plenty.

[hardy fog]

It’s almost fixed

[mental whale]

what are good blessings on power sword should i keep an eye for?

[worn jewel]

On PUGs?

[candid temple]

I want kerillian daggers or at least saltz axe-sword like weapons :/

[sage yarrow]

question - is there an easier way to spot specials? oftentimes by the time i see a special and start charging - someone else kills him

[devout belfry]

Block ranged is a nice one.

[hardy fog]

I farmed a lot T3 and there was 45 fix now 65

[red marsh]

i miss cleave

[devout belfry]

The dueling dagger is close.

[worn jewel]

It used to be ok when you'd still get the loot even if ye die but now that you don't...

[burnt tapir]

I only play with lfg people and friends. So pseudo-pugs. Some people in LFG are just awful lmao

[mental whale]

ah ty

[hardy fog]

And T3 with a proper Team most of the mission is 15min

[red marsh]

the sienna mace could swing through like 8 enemies, best i get here is like 3 with devils claw

[gleaming siren]

i also got an 480 purgatus with +20 dmg to unarmored enemies, this thing is melting errything in heresy xd

[cinder obsidian]

I've been getting like 0-10 per run on T3, and I've been searching every box I can find.

[devout belfry]

Don't bother brain popping anything your veteran can drop easier.

[candid temple]

duelling dagger, is that the melee one?

[devout belfry]

If you're in a premade just tell them to stop shooting the glowing heads lol

[candid temple]

does it compete with force sword tho?

[hardy fog]

As i said it’s fixed

[vague forge]

if you're intent on brainpopping, taking the 30 feat that reduces the cast time after your class ability is a must

[devout belfry]

Yes. It has an insane base crit chance. It's very good depending on what traits it rolls.

[vague forge]

otherwise the vets will kill them all before you

[sleek hare]

"1. Pray to RNGesus that the shop/gift gives you a high stat item" How do you know it's a high stat item?

[devout belfry]

The daggers all have massive dodge distance and critical chance.

[nova needle]

Is having 6 warp charges better since you get 18% dmg at full stack?

[gleaming siren]

base rating 350-400 is decent

[vague forge]

i wouldn't take the 6 warp charges unless you're taking the 30 feat that applies soulblaze when you discharge

[mental whale]

can force sword really one shot crusher on malice?? im trying it right now and its only doing like 1/3rd of its hp lol

[gleaming siren]

psi blade special on head

[vague forge]

it can, leon, with 75%+ damage on a heavy attack

gotta get the right sword

[worn jewel]

Look at the stat ilvl

[red marsh]

anyone think theyll add scaling to brain blast?

[worn jewel]

they added it in now

[devout belfry]

Knowing fatshark, no.

[mental whale]

75%+ damage on heavy atk? how do i get that? is that a blessing?

[vague forge]

the damage stat on the sword

[sleek hare]

and where do you see the stat Ilvl to know if it has good "base" value or not?

[vague forge]

charge the weapon, do a heavy attack

[red marsh]

damn, big sad that lv1 brain blast is the same as lv 30

[gleaming siren]

this boy instagib kinda errything with special attack LUL but i dunno if they fixed the perks

need to test it again

[mental whale]

ooooh, i just did a heavy atk. its 1/2 now tho.. not one shot

[vague forge]

yeah, that sword would oneshot a mauler

[autumn lark]

You should get warp charges when you deal damage to an enemy with brainburst not on kill

[sleek hare]

also is the force sword the "best" (subjective I guess) melee weapon for psykers right now?

[devout belfry]

Escorcist procs on the multi hit from the alt fire too

[vague forge]

crusher

[worn jewel]

im in a 4 psyker match

[devout belfry]

For most use cases. Yes.

[worn jewel]

gimme 15 mins

[devout belfry]

Dueling swords and daggers are seeing play too.

[paper tendon]

i always run it, the long range switches between staff and magnum depending on mood but rn im loving the magnum

[lost pike]

I would love to see other force weapons added

[long wharf]

I'd consider the ability for the force sword to block ranged attacks a required one for a force sword

[devout belfry]

Force axe.

[vague forge]

pretty sure you'll only get psyker specific weapon blessings on a force weapon. not going to get quell speed or anything like that on a dagger

[gleaming siren]

dual psi blade would be nice i guess xD

[cinder obsidian]

thematically, I would've liked force variants of the melee weapons

[autumn lark]

A cleave force weapon should be added

[devout belfry]

Emperor grant me a force axe.

[sleek hare]

I really want something like VT2 Sienna's Mace. I loved that mace when they added it in.

[gleaming siren]

i mean they are grey knights dual wielding psi blades so why not

[red marsh]

for forcesword and chainsword, does it matter if you heavy attackk on alt fire or not

[gleaming siren]

there*

[sleek hare]

We aren't grey knights tho?

[vague forge]

yeah, Jester, heavy attacks do significantly more damage

[red marsh]

ye we have terrible melee horde management as of now, i feel

[gleaming siren]

maybe we arent grey knights but we dont know to keep us secret Kappa Kappa

[devout belfry]

They'll probably save other weapons for different classes. Like the force hammer.

[paper tendon]

force sword heavy can chunk assassin missions 1/5 hp each hit

[gleaming siren]

are*

[burnt tapir]

It literally tells you now. You can see how much of it's "power budget" was spent on stat rolls

[zinc phoenix]

Force glaive yee

[long wharf]

and we have the best horde clearing of all, too

[burnt tapir]

80% is the current max for anything

[long wharf]

aka void staff

[burnt tapir]

Literally any staff

lol

[devout belfry]

The alt fire from the power hammer after a dash is like 2/3s HP.

[paper tendon]

is that for zealot?

[gleaming siren]

i mean there are psykers dual wielding psi blades in wh40k 😛 would be cool

[sleek hare]

I know how to see how much was rolled on a stat, I'm saying how do you know if the base roll of the weapon is good. Stop trying to be snarky and either be helpful or stfu.

[paper tendon]

i just started using that class

[long wharf]

incorrect, you can easily handle an endless horde with the void staff

[devout belfry]

Yep.

[long wharf]

purge can kill hordes quickly too, but you have to eventually quell with the purge staff

positioned properly, you can erase groups with the void staff indefinitely

[vague forge]

i find i can pump out way more fire on the purgatus before quelling than I can voidstrike spam

[burnt tapir]

Force sword is best one hit nuke damage, the dueling swords offer massively improved block, dodge distance, and dodge speed

[devout belfry]

Void staff with high aoe roll is hilarious.

[gleaming siren]

i got the frenzied killer 3 archievment ( kill 120 in 30) with purge staff in heresy endless horde LUL

[long wharf]

the purge staff can't quell on weak point hit, though

[burnt tapir]

? I meant almost any staff at all can kill an almost arbitrary number of enemies

[gleaming siren]

its strong, if u have good mates its viable

[devout belfry]

Being able to block bullets is very nice imo.

[long wharf]

I'm not talking about "how many can you kill in one shot"

[vague forge]

@burnt tapir trauma force staff

[burnt tapir]

It's definitely not nothing. But even then the dodge increases help a lot

[long wharf]

I'm talking about "how many can you kill over an extended engagement"

[acoustic spade]

I havent seen such a huge difference between the light and heavy attack damage with force sword special on

[waxen echo]

it can with the feat that pops heads, but that's every 15's lol

[tacit solstice]

Its there, but small

[viscid matrix]

heavy attack with special is about 900 damage or so

[tacit solstice]

larger than the diff between light and heavy atk tho

[long wharf]

that's only a chance to quell on kill

[fair kayak]

That would be epic

[vague forge]

Salahyena, I've tested it extensively over the last couple of weeks. Heavy attacks with the force sword special does considerably more damage in all cases.

[devout belfry]

It lets you get a higher modifier for the whole attack with the right perks.

[acoustic spade]

except heavy attacks take like 300 hours to come out compared to just light

[fair kayak]

can confirm

[autumn lark]

Can you trigger perils with a staff left click

[burnt tapir]

yea no, I understood. Lightning is the worst horde clear, but purg/void can kill obscene amounts, and even the lowly trauma with good rolls clears massive chunks every 2-3 seconds

[long wharf]

the perk that quells on weak point hit is a guaranteed proc

[waxen echo]

It's only a chance? makes sense. I thought it was 4% quell each hit. But from what I've tested the best staff for that is the one that shoots the ball out. forgot the name.

[fair kayak]

Force Sword is such a good all rounder, it gives you so much utility

[weak galleon]

Not in all. boss shield is barely affected.
Beast of nurgle/plague ogryns also don't mind it too much being hit by special attack on FS.

[viscid matrix]

worst horde clear yes, but that is never the psykers job, horde clear is a Ogryn and Zealot job

psyker is cc bot

[tacit solstice]

pretty sure the chainsword does the same dmg as the charged force sword, but no peril gain

[devout belfry]

I haven't had issues with my dodge being insufficient with the force sword. Admittedly side stepping towards ranged is very nice on the duelling sword.

I just value being able to solo sustain if I'm not with a premade.

I feel like a Verm2 handmaiden with the revives I record.

[burnt tapir]

If you say so, I grind 4/5s quite successfully running mostly purg, occasionally void/surge

[long wharf]

the force sword has no limit on effective dodges

aka no penalty on repeated dodging

[devout belfry]

Also force sword push is bonkers.

[fresh reef]

Trauma staff is quickly becoming my favorite of the staves

[vague forge]

the shields are a weird beast - not much does damage to them other than smacking it with regular, uncharged melee hits. monstrosities also don't super care about your force weapons either

[long wharf]

the staves list a dodge limit of 3.0

[viscid matrix]

i run them surge, the zealot i play with is evisc and flamer, no point in using purge when they have a better version

[weak galleon]

Oh, that's why... good to know, ty.

[obtuse walrus]

But the chainsword can't get blessings that block ranged attacks

[burnt tapir]

hot take

[long wharf]

which, I assume, means past that you get reduced dodge performance

[fresh reef]

Being able to knock crushers on their asses will never not be funny

[steady sand]

Any advice how to do penance to kill 3 elites with explosion? Have problem with this lol

[acoustic spade]

the Void Shields had their own damage resist values iirc

[burnt tapir]

ah, my zealot runs bolter.

[long wharf]

I'd love for a melee psyker to be really viable

[tacit solstice]

The force sword can?! ive never seen that

[vague forge]

force sword blocking bullets seems to be a rare blessing

[obtuse walrus]

It's super useful

[devout belfry]

Stun them with shitty lightning 0 charge until you pop lol

[tacit solstice]

man, i really need that

[viscid matrix]

ahh, my vet runs bolter, he is the elite killer, the zealot is fronline and horde clearer, and i run cc and make killing everything easier, the 4th is basicly anything that has damage

[long wharf]

sure can, and if you then use the feat that means you gain peril instead of using stamina on block, you can be a mini-wall

[weak galleon]

5 man team gooo.

[devout belfry]

It's also nice at tier 4 since it reduces block costs by fucking 12 percent.

[zinc phoenix]

BB a shield user to get them to flinch for a force sword alt or just dodge around their side. Can also shout them. Monstrosities imo you’re best off just BBing them and running/blocking when they chase.

[hardy fog]

Damn looking for this since endless

[obtuse walrus]

Like I mostly run void staff and bb for most shit but if I start getting range spammed, I can just whip out the force sword and reposition

[waxen echo]

I saw one of these on my limited time, but it was 3k points lol

[tacit solstice]

also, is damage going right through toughness a feature, or a bug? i feel like even though i only take 1 hit at a time and regen toughness, i still die everntually due to this

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt stop snipers

[viscid matrix]

bug, if you have more than 100 toughness, you basicly dont have any

[ember kiln]

That's one i've had since level 25 haha

[long wharf]

it has a small-ish protection cone

[ember kiln]

Nope, but your BB does

[vague forge]

i've been noticing since release that melee doesn't always hit my HP through toughness, which has been a nice change

but i also don't take any toughness curios

[long wharf]

snipers are aiming above the protective front

[tacit solstice]

oh damn, yeah ive got 117 toughness rn. gonna have to swap all my curios damnit

[viscid matrix]

if you can even target the sniper on the otherside of a horde, your vet should have already killed it

[ember kiln]

Only when you are on 100% toughness iirc

[burnt tapir]

game seems to allow a lot of flexibility so far. Though I hope they tune up the difficulty like ~20%ish for damnation. Doesn't feel like there's enough enemies.

I usually go duelling mk V, purg/surge/void in that order, zealot only runs evis/bolter, vet runs power/XII or Vlla

[devout belfry]

Yeah, sadly. As far as I can tell. Not sure if it mitigates though. Ogryn shield still doesn't block them last time I checked.

[inland juniper]

What are some general playstyle tips for psyker? I'm struggling to get the hang of it

[ember kiln]

And if he hasn't, then you bb him

[burnt tapir]

bugged atm, need to be at literally 100 toughness, 101 you take hp damage

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt, it goes strait thru and hits you

[devout belfry]

I don't want to bb our veteran.

[waxen echo]

Good rng I suppose, it took me till like level 20 to get a force sword to pop up. all of mine keep being shitty rolls though. However I rarely use it cause I don't get trapped in corners so I'm gucci anyways.

[ember kiln]

Does with his special

[vague forge]

ogryn shield seems to block snipes from the front from what i recall

[viscid matrix]

heresy is bugged, if you run it without modifiers, it puts endless hordes on

[vague forge]

psyker shield does not, only mitigates some damage

[ember kiln]

xD You have a good point!

[burnt tapir]

yes. But I like it that way. Makes 5 feel barren

[devout belfry]

How is that bug still in lol

[viscid matrix]

then play endless 5s then

[vague forge]

I've taken three or four snipers with the force sword shield up, it mitigates damage - still hurts

[devout belfry]

Easy way to get that blocking achievement lol

[viscid matrix]

it actually says endles hordes when you press tab to see details now

[devout belfry]

Ah, fat shark.

[burnt tapir]

doesn't come up terribly often. I just want it to be like 20% harder though, not massively

[vague forge]

I got the blocking achievement from a daemonhost actually last night lol

[devout belfry]

Can't wait to see it patched and reintroduced somehow in a year. ♥️

[devout belfry]

Our ogryn draws aggro and just backs into a corner with shield up. It never changes target.

It's cute.

[viscid matrix]

i want crafting so i can combine blessings and make a surge staff that actually does damage

[devout axle]

Toughness reduces damage received based on how much Toughness you currently have. But it's currently bugged if you have more than 100 Toughness. How it's supposed to work is if you are at 100% Toughness, then your Toughness will soak 100% of the damage. If you have 50% Toughness, then it'll soak 50% of the damage etc.

[vague forge]

that's the only way to do a daemonhost properly unless you're running a block build on a psyker

ogryn shieldwall in a corner

[viscid matrix]

its bugged, if you have 101 toughness, the game considers you have 1 toughness and you take a tonne of damage to your health

[weak galleon]

oookay after meeting T4 daemonhost that aggroed on me Peril on Block is fucking meta.

[devout belfry]

You can fucking one shot it with enough preachers lol

[cyan echo]

I know right

[vague forge]

thunderhammers fuck daemonhosts up

[devout axle]

Yes. I know. I pointed that out in my comment.

[tacit solstice]

oh, never knew it was based on how much you have left, always thought it was just 100% until it was out

[weak galleon]

i was tanking like a goddamn Shield Ironbreaker

[devout belfry]

And so is anything with block cost reduction lol

[weak galleon]

the beauty is

[burnt tapir]

80% damage 80% crit surge slaps pretty hard. Even better if you get the crit perk/blessings

[weak galleon]

Force Sword is WORST for peril on block

[devout belfry]

Oh you don't say? The perk that lets you block bullets gives 12 percent? :0

[weak galleon]

vs daemonhosts

because FS has very low passive quell rate

[long wharf]

but can you quell while blocking with the force sword?

[weak galleon]

passive quell does not stop as you are being hit by Daemon

[burnt tapir]

only passively

[viscid matrix]

i have mine as 6% with a tier 2 blessing

[vague forge]

you can quell actively between swipes if you time it right

[knotty anchor]

Does anyone else have problems keeping their warp charges up? I don't want to constantly have to headpop poxwalkers every mission but I feel forced to do so because even with every feat that grants charges just doesn't allow me to keep my warp charges up since they are gone after such a short time.

[devout belfry]

3 percent per tier.

[burnt tapir]

yep

Can't wait to pump my flurries to 50%

[devout belfry]

4 percent chance on coherency kill.

[burnt tapir]

almost have the god rolled void staff with quell on headshot + flurry

[devout belfry]

Alright I've been sitting in my car chatting for 30 minutes. Time to grab a coffee and start being an adult.

[magic hull]

ayyy lesgo :)))))))

[burnt tapir]

Ascendancy + purg or the reduced cast time at 30 help a lot. Kinetic Flayer if you're truly desperate

[viscid matrix]

im very tempted to upgrade my trauma staff with the rend blessing to see if its useful at all in higher tiers

[idle bay]

Yes that! And only time i cared about maintaining warp charges si when was doing Warp battery Penance.

[burnt tapir]

just work from home, do both at the same time

[long wharf]

I need to do warp battery penance

[devout belfry]

It's nice to have them up. Increases your damage quite a bit.

[burnt tapir]

super good with 6 stacks + peril resist for some staffs

[devout belfry]

The brain pop on hit once every 15 secs is great too.

[jovial quail]

Fking game gave me this in a malice run on psyker reeeee i'd give my left nut for this on my veteran

[river sand]

anyone tested a surge staff with critchance and soublaze on crit. is it enough to keep your stacks up without the other talents ?

[knotty anchor]

Yeah but that only really works in fodder hordes because 4% is really low and there is no kind of grace system to my knowledge. So if you encounter a guardsman patrol, I feel forced to headpop instead of blowing them up with my voidstrike staff to just not lose my stacks.

[burnt tapir]

you mean in conjunction with the ascendancy at 30?

[knotty anchor]

What perk was ascendancy again?

[burnt tapir]

30 one for fire damage

[cyan echo]

capstone perk for soulblaze

[devout belfry]

The idea is that it keeps you topped off during encounters.

[river sand]

yeah sure

[devout belfry]

I also take the pop on hit perk.

[viscid matrix]

i would prefer the crit chance and secondary charge faster blessings tbh, soulblaze is hot garbage and id rather not spend warp charges to use ability

[burnt tapir]

absolutely not lol

[magic hull]

lightning staff > other staffs (?)

[weak galleon]

congrats)

[devout belfry]

Alright. Gotta go! See y'all on later!

[vague forge]

voidstrike staff is probably the best staff right now

[burnt tapir]

Soulblaze is all or nothing. Ie, 2 stacks is more than 2x the damage of one stack. So on and so forth

[knotty anchor]

But it doesn't. The chance is just too low. Most of the time a single encounter is not 20 enemies or more within 30 seconds.

[jovial quail]

Yea if I can get like +3 soulblaze on crit it might be viable but i'd have to get a roll with like crit on higher peril + soulblaze for surge to work reliably with it sadly i think personally. I keep getting +1 soulblaze on voidstrike like omegalul, 1 shot all ads and +1 damage against elites that it crits on

[vague forge]

does anyone unironically use the traume force staff?

[burnt tapir]

If you're pumping out tons of blaze with a good burn statted purg staff it's great, otherwise I don't know what they have an on crit option for it

[vague forge]

feels like hot garbage no matter hot good a staff i roll

[river sand]

thats what i asked for ^^

[tacit solstice]

I like the trauma staff

[ornate hamlet]

The Head pop really sucks-

[burnt tapir]

Solidly lukewarm towards it, but if you get a fantastic roll on AoE+Charge speed it does mildly slap

[vague forge]

I like it too, but the trauma force staff doesn't have good peril management from what I've experienced.

[devout axle]

Ah, you must be that one guy.

[tacit solstice]

bigger AoE and higher damage than all my voidstrike staffs. maybe i just have shit rolls of those to

[devout belfry]

What difficulty? If your team is moving or at an event you should be fine. I recommend the pop on hit perk too.

[river sand]

heapop is for sniping snipers an maybe those shielded guys if you dont have surge

[viscid matrix]

3 soulblaze is 8 damage per tick its trash

[jovial quail]

@river sand if you find out definitely let me know. I personally think for heresy/damnation flamestaff is significantly better but with that roll it genuinely might be a damn good hybrid

[burnt tapir]

agree, I'd love to give up brainburst for unique thumb button attacks on staffs.

[tacit solstice]

LOL

[viscid matrix]

trauma staff was fixed, it does damage to everything now, instead of just 2

[tacit solstice]

me and that guy need to get the good trauma sticks then

called dibs

[frigid frigate]

Surge Staff is awesome

[jovial quail]

@viscid matrix Yea but when you crit 3-4x on an enemy that shit stacks up fast. +1 soulblaze per crit though youll kill anything before you get even slightly enough DOT on it.

[knotty anchor]

It is because it's basically the conflagration staff from sienna with no changes what so ever in a game where the ranged options of the other characters are way stronger than in vermintide.

[vague forge]

I can't make peril management work efficiently on the trauma force staff, otherwise I'd use it.

[river sand]

with 6 stacks you get enough dmg to kill horde mobs with blaze

[ornate hamlet]

I mean right now Psyker well it other classes can do the same as Psyker but better there have already been tons of stuff on this

[viscid matrix]

if you can show it working well in action in a video, ill change my mind, but most of the time it looks average at best

[burnt tapir]

I mean it is a near instant kill in an AoE that literally puts ogrns on their asses. But the AoE is too small and the peril is too high imo

[devout belfry]

What is the max stacks for soul blaze?

[worn jewel]

You should care about these stat lvls; the perks can be rerolled and the blessings can be transferred. But as of now there is no way to reroll actual stats. 340-350 is decent, but hopefully you can get higher like 360ish.

[knotty anchor]

Using it already. Usually we play malice 3.

[viscid matrix]

we dont know exactly, but it caps at like 200 damage per second

[burnt tapir]

idk the stacks but highest dot damage I've seen was like 216

[jovial quail]

@viscid matrix Hence me also asking if someone got it, even I don't know and think from what i've seen it wouldnt work reliably. I dont even know if you can get +3 soulblaze on crit as i've only gotten 5 staves with +1 on it

[burnt tapir]

The higher the burn stat on your staff, the more stacks it can apply max

[river sand]

200 per tick is damn high

[jovial quail]

I'm in agreeance though, I still don't think it'd work but i'd be open to different builds

[viscid matrix]

bleed is like 500 and burn is 600

soulburn is 200ish its shit

[devout belfry]

We won't really get an idea of what's great endgame until the crafting is in.

[worn jewel]

Thats because your blessing is lvl 1

[vague forge]

soulblaze seems to work fine as a passive affect that you don't care about. running purgatus, with passive soulblazes applying, is a force multiplier that actually makes a decent difference

[river sand]

not if you can apply it passively with surge

[knotty anchor]

I slowly feel like fatshark is purposefully nerfing the psyker to have people just not play him.

[burnt tapir]

Due to the near exponential scaling of soulblaze I imagine a staff with more than 80% on burn probably drops stuff spooky fast

[vague dune]

Whats peril res

[worn jewel]

Lvl 3 is 2 stacks. Lvl 4 is 3 stacks\

[viscid matrix]

it caps at 200 at most against a reaper

by that time you are at 100 peril, its shit

[vague forge]

peril res is how much you peril you DON'T take by using psyker powers

[autumn lark]

Crit is weakpoint hit right

[young summit]

Trauma staff does next to zero damage to infected, atleast on gamepass 😅 first infected in the test arena gets damaged, the rest takes 20 damage and just gets pushed back.

[dim pier]

Crit is RNG, weakspot hit isn’t

[night fox]

crit is crit, weakpoint hit is weakpoint hit, you can crit on a weapoint hit

[vague forge]

they fixed that on launch, xerxes, at least from my testing

[knotty anchor]

Peril resistance is a stat that causes you to generate less peril when you use actions that create peril. So it effectively extends your peril capacity.

[young summit]

seems to damage everyon in the area with unarmord or the armored packs, but infected seems to be immuen

[river sand]

i've read you can get up to +4 charges per crit. and a sure hits often, crits around 3 times per enemy if you got the crit on peril and passive crithcance on it

[young summit]

well, yay for gamepass being a version behind 🤣

[thorn sphinx]

do u guys know if crit chance on melee weapon also affects ranged weapon?

and vice/versa

[viscid matrix]

it still takes way too long, its not worth it for the damage, a single primary from the staff does more dmaage

[vague forge]

trauma worked exactly the way you described, where it did most damage to about 2 enemies and sent the rest flying, but now it appears to apply damage evenly to everything in the circle

[night fox]

perks and blessings only affect the active weapon

is on the patchnotes for launch beta patch

[viscid matrix]

there is also a blessing for it that does +2 rend on hit

[upper tapir]

hmm should i buy this

[viscid matrix]

yes

[vague forge]

48% damage on a voidstrike seems bad

[viscid matrix]

48% is only like 5 damage on primary

[worn jewel]

363 stat block but the dmg is so low. Sadge

[night fox]

literally the main reason you want it, that and blast radius

[vague forge]

sprint efficiency for the perks?

bad staff

[worn jewel]

You can reroll that when crafting launches

only thing you cant reroll are the stat blocks

[vague forge]

I wouldn't waste a reroll on a staff that has 48% damage

[worn jewel]

Yeap; thats the main issue.

[worthy wasp]

The thing is...

You can apply a royal shitload of soulblaze... more than you can any other status I believe

[tacit solstice]

When is crafting launching? do we know yet?

[slate oracle]

Would you guys say the electric or purgatus staff is better?

[vague forge]

lightning staff is underwhelment

[worn jewel]

Sometime in December Could be tmrw, could be the 30th

[vague forge]

underwhelming, even

[viscid matrix]

surge is CC which is really useful in damnation, purgatus is mid damage

[night fox]

did they buffed trauma staff?

[worn canopy]

Don’t think so

[night fox]

is deleting on t4

[upper tapir]

im tempted to upgrade this too

to orange

[worn jewel]

LOL 377 stat block. Of course

[worthy wasp]

Lightning Staff is massively overrated in pugs imo, only great in premades.

[slate oracle]

thats a shitton better than my staff

[worn jewel]

Disagree. I think they are more useful in pugs and less in pre-mades

[vague forge]

lightning staff can stun specials and elites in mixed horde situations, making them easy for your vets to pick off

[night fox]

yeah, but the AoE feels super strong now, on the previous beta it was just CC most of the time

[worn jewel]

Pugs need your CC cos they are usually blind

[worn canopy]

Damn dude

[night fox]

now is almost OS armored

[worn canopy]

I want that staff

[vague forge]

purgatus and voidstrike can delete the horde, so your team can kill specials.

[dim pier]

Someone mentioned trauma and voidstrike got damage scaling buffs

[worthy wasp]

Ye, I think Purg and Void are the way

[upper tapir]

do i use my precious diamantine to upgrade this staff

[vague forge]

plus, constantly firing the purgatus at elites can trigger the brainburst passive

[night fox]

hmmm, interesting, ill test it some more, but is feeling useable at least

[vague forge]

purgatus is just... chefs kiss

[night fox]

it just eating peril like crazy tho

[worn jewel]

Do you like purgatus? if you do go ahead @upper tapir

[devout kelp]

I'd say yes

[night fox]

compared to the other staffs

[magic hull]

lighting staff is soo good it can deny rushers dogs and poxer bombers

[worthy wasp]

IMO Purg and Void are the way, and right now Purg works best with the 10% chance to BB trait

[viscid matrix]

the flamer on a zealot clears the horde better

[upper tapir]

i do enjoy that purgatus staff

[devout kelp]

Kinetic Flayer

[vague forge]

yeah but you're not a zealot are you

[worn jewel]

Then do it. 369 stat block is great

[vague forge]

you're a dirty psyker

a dirty, filthy, mind reading witch

[slate oracle]

purgatus with the soul flame 6 stack shove easily clears a full horde though

[devout kelp]

To be fair I think Kinetic Flayer is in a league of its own.

[viscid matrix]

its not enough damage at heresy and damnation to be worth it tbh, better off with a surge staff to cc dogs and muties along with forcing ogryn to drop thier shields

[vague forge]

kinetic flayer paired with purgatus - you can't really go wrong there

[worthy wasp]

"OmFg ZeAlOt hAs a FlAmEtHrOwEr"

Ye, good thing you can count on a Zealot being in every single one of your games equipped with a flamethrower

[devout kelp]

Kinetic Flayer with... Everything

[magic hull]

lighting staffs are really good as support because u can stun them constantly

[fair kayak]

kinetic flayer isn't even that good, its just the best feat in the whole tree lol

[night fox]

literally

[viscid matrix]

i can, the ones i play with always have one

[worthy wasp]

Premade?

[vague forge]

i can always count on being on a yacht, because my friends will always have a yacht

[devout kelp]

Yep. Its own league. Not necessarily a great league. Just usable. 😊

[tidal adder]

Honestly the passive stacks shouldnt be accounted for at all if you want to play optimaly imo

[worthy wasp]

^^^

[tidal adder]

Which is sad af considering its our main shit

[upper tapir]

iv been running warp battery since i always seem to be at 6 charges

[worthy wasp]

Purg does the best job keeping up Warp Charges without BB

[viscid matrix]

like 80% of the zealots ive played with have one, mainly cause we are doing Heresy or higher, and a flamer is really good for horde clearing

[devout kelp]

3 Ogryns + 1 Psyker lesgooo

[viscid matrix]

just use this and be fine

[devout kelp]

This message was sponsored by Brazzers

[faint sigil]

Is that psyker named Perri?

[vague forge]

i want the zealot to be in front of me mowing down shit that gets too close while I raind warpfire on the hordes

[upper tapir]

i also run ascendant blaze ontop of my purg staff

[vague forge]

if the zealot is standing behind me running a flamer he's not zealoting right

[upper tapir]

sometimes i wipe out alot of ranged units from across the map lol

and then i sometimes get all 6 of my stacks back after using it

its pretty useful when you're pinned down

[vague forge]

true, that perks is slept on

[worthy wasp]

Actually, heres a question

[upper tapir]

also helps my toughness alot cause i keep getting charges

[worthy wasp]

How does Purg compare to Zealot's flamethrower?

[upper tapir]

so if i use the blaze and get atleast 3 charges i get 90% toughness back

[weak galleon]

Holy shit you are a lucky one.

[upper tapir]

helpful in tight spots

[worn jewel]

Zealot does more dmg imo but his charge up is slower and he needs ammo

[devout kelp]

The Zealot's Flamethrower is stronger, but requires ammo

[vague forge]

zealot flamethrower seems to do more base damage more quickly. but it takes ammo and you have to reload it.

[weak galleon]

this is practically perfect purgatus. ofc upgrade./

[viscid matrix]

its worse in every way, less damage, less burn, less duration

[thorn sphinx]

with the toughness on warp charge feat, do you get toughness even if you are at max warp charge and you get another one?

[viscid matrix]

it just restarts and keep regen toughness

it doesnt stack

[vague forge]

yeah, it's a buff you can see on your bar

[devout kelp]

Yes; you still get a warp charge.

[upper tapir]

i think i tested the purg in the grinder atleast with my staff i showed

and it was ticking down on enemies for like 65-80

and it lasted a good bit

[viscid matrix]

yeh its garbage, it takes too long

[upper tapir]

if they didn't die

[viscid matrix]

take it to the ogryn on damnation tier

[fair kayak]

anyone else finding the Force Sword to be deceptively good?

[worthy wasp]

Does Flamethrower cut through armor like Purg's Soul Blaze does?

[worn jewel]

It was always good just not at horde clearing

[viscid matrix]

its amazing, really good single target, and the special counts as a warp attack

[devout kelp]

The Charge Toughness doesn't stack with itself, but new Warp Charges still tick in for another activation, even if at full Warp Charges.

[vague forge]

if you're running purgatus, you want to see if you can get the suppression perk on the staff that makes nearby enemies cower

really doubles down on the control aspect

[viscid matrix]

purge doesnt cut thru armour, its reduced by it, flamer is better against it

[worthy wasp]

Armor reduces Soulblaze damage?

[viscid matrix]

yep, its shit

[devout kelp]

Look we can do everything everyone else does better, but blue.

[vague forge]

purgatus burn isn't soulblaze damage

[viscid matrix]

go burn a crusher with it and watch it

[viscid matrix]

it is, it stacks soulburn

[weak galleon]

It's good, very safe sword.
Biggest drawback is not the lack of horde clearing (Light>Heavy>Push cancel, repeat is a solid horde clear), but the passive peril quell is of same speed as on staves, which is very slow.

[devout kelp]

Should be ;-;

[vague forge]

it's not though, they're separate

[worn jewel]

This. Soulblaze comes from feats or the Blazing Soul blessing

[uncut violet]

Look, we might do everything anyone else can do, we might do it worse, but we do it with our minds

[viscid matrix]

purge staff is soulburn too

[devout kelp]

And blue

[weak galleon]

been repeatedly told it is. so what is it then?

[viscid matrix]

it gives you warp charges on kill with it with the capstone feat

[fair kayak]

im using mind in motion so im actively quelling a lot of the time

[vague forge]

nawh homies, purgatus staff doesn't apply soulburn. it applies a burn.

[worn jewel]

Its just regular burn damage.

[upper tapir]

yall think i should upgrade this?

[viscid matrix]

soul burn, it gives warp charges on kill if you have the feat that does that

[uncut violet]

This is 100% missinformation, Purgatus staff applies soulblaze

[devout kelp]

Purgatus is not Soulblaze - I'd argue it should be. But it isn't.

[worn jewel]

No. 325 stat block

[vague forge]

You can test it out yourself if you like

[viscid matrix]

it is, you get warp charges when you kill with it

[vague forge]

Apply soulburn in the meatgrinder, apply a burn with the purgatus staff

you don't have to believe me

[devout kelp]

Sure that's not Kinetic Flayer/Communion?

[uncut violet]

Oh fuck