psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

life spans are measured in seconds

[raw breach]

Sienna's 4th career when?

[ornate hamlet]

Force, Axe, Hammer, Sword, Powerfist....

[raw breach]

wait, wrong discord.

[ornate hamlet]

all options

[rough gale]

you get a meddle for surviving your first day in the Guard...nuff said

[empty granite]

For Psyker?

[ornate hamlet]

Bonus for turning up

[raw breach]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-wait-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947359

[rough gale]

the Bonus is not getting a Round to the skull for the first 2 minuts after combat starts again

[ornate hamlet]

I used to have a plague marine army... the guard suffered

[rough gale]

and yes. extra Corps rations for one meal

[floral stump]

Corpse Starch where?

[rough gale]

still waiting on mine so good luck on the find of a can!

[woven wigeon]

So, I know people shit talk it because it's gross but

Is corpse starch tasty?

[empty granite]

Right next to the adipocere

[ornate hamlet]

Just like a death row prisoners final meal.

[floral stump]

Ask the Corpseguilders

[rough gale]

you mean you ARE the meal?

[ornate hamlet]

That's another way of looking at it

[raw breach]

That ration is on return from mission only. Would be a waste of food to send every soldier into battle with a full belly.

[floral stump]

I prefer to look at it as humanity has no right to complain that tyranids want to eat them.

[rough gale]

if you read the lore on it it has NO taste its just a caned fish texture

[woven wigeon]

Nice

[floral stump]

That makes it terrifying to imagine.

[woven wigeon]

Put some seasoning on there

COuld prob be tasty with the right approach

[floral stump]

Have you ever had to drink water that had a tasteless additive to it? Texture can be terrble.

[raw breach]

a lil' sriracha and i bet it'd be edible

[floral stump]

I would rather rely on the Mushroom Farm

[devout kelp]

Even in the 42nd Millennium, artificial flavours are abound.

Though tbf canned fish texture isn't even that bad.

[floral stump]

People live on the filtered and millenium long piles of protein from vomit puke and other stuff. It is called Scrape. What artifical flavorings

[ornate hamlet]

Only if you compare it to raw turd

[rough gale]

"seasoning? are you a world Leader or a Buricrat? No? then thats a years worth of Living to save for Guard. Oh? did you heasitate?" Round to the skull "Dont need it now do you?"

[devout kelp]

Pipe rust and water condensate

[floral stump]

I just know scrape just thinking about it makes my nose convulse and I shudder

[woven wigeon]

Sorry, did I say seasoning? I meant dandruff

[floral stump]

Especially when I remember the passage about how people thought it was delcious because it had the ghost of the flavor of 1000 meals

Just yuck

[devout kelp]

Extra marrow for Morrow's rations

[boreal wave]

Does anyone else find it weird that the feats seem to suggest that there was supposed to be a melee build for the psyker? The block using peril rather than stamina one, the resistance to ranged damage scaling with warp charges, etc.

I find the concept interesting but I'll be damned if I'm gonna try it with pubs.

[raw breach]

What? Both of those talents are extremely useful lol

The Block using Peril comes directly from Sienna's Unchained Block using Heat mechanic

[rough gale]

@woven wigeon TTS probably had the BEST outcome for defiling a ration of food for WH40K i have ever seen " you put rat guts on your rations?! HARISY!"

[woven wigeon]

Yeah the peril block one is never gonna be taken off for me

You can hold off ragers, daemonhosts, etc, with a knife

[devout kelp]

Psyker feats and passives are gimped. Psykinetic seems to have been a full rounded kit with options at one point. Now it's just a BB gun.

[solar remnant]

Get you a force sword with deflect and have the peril feat

[empty granite]

I won't take it off you, but you can't catch me while I quell at running speed, lol

[woven wigeon]

It's been expounded on in this chat a lot but to summarise, you can't really spam brain blast at high difficulties

The staffs outweigh BB's usefulness

[woven wigeon]

You can dodge while Quelling! Always my goto

[devout kelp]

When I said BB gun I didn't mean it complementary.

[woven wigeon]

I know! But it's really not that haha

[solar remnant]

BB gun is a good term lol

[ornate hamlet]

This.... I find the powersword is a special killer... clear the chaf, and power stab the fatties

[full egret]

Biomancy psyker would be a lot tankier. In lore they can make their flesh like iron, run and attack at extreme speeds, etc

[woven wigeon]

The damage falls off later

You still use it imo

But

[raw breach]

Yeah, i thought that would be the most useful QoL talent.... until I realized I still swap to my staff for the quell speed, and speed with staff isn't reduced, so infinite block is way more useful

[full egret]

A lore accurate bio psyker would rip this game apart

[devout kelp]

Yeah BB guns don't really do much of any damage either

[woven wigeon]

It takes a lot of BBs to deal with elites and specials on Heresy+

[sharp oasis]

pyromancer psyker ftw

[rough gale]

makes sense. i just wish the game let me play with out crash cuz of 2001-2003-2007 and yes i DO meat all minimalm stats. the only one i DO NOT is the hard line internet

[full egret]

my other favorite

[empty granite]

Wait, quell speed is running speed with a staff?

[woven wigeon]

Ye I'd recommend staff over guns!

[full egret]

wait wut?

[woven wigeon]

Voidstrike and Surge are the standouts, although there's some purgatus fans

And like

[ornate hamlet]

Not unless they bring out a plasma pistol

[devout kelp]

Psykinetic seems to be a mix of Telekinetic and Pyrokinetic, but sort of in doubts about its identity.

[woven wigeon]

1 trauma staff fan

[boreal wave]

I just can't really see a dedicated melee build for the psyker in its current state. But some of these feats look like somewhere along the line there was supposed to be.

[full egret]

they should have just kept it to telepathic

I want tele blades that I can fling at targets

[devout kelp]

Telepath or Telekinetic?

[floral stump]

Telepathy would not be throwing anything

Telekinetic would.

[devout kelp]

Because those are two very different disciplines.

[woven wigeon]

I don't think so, I think the range was always the focus

But you can have some of the best melee singletarget damage in the game

[floral stump]

Telekinetic tries to reach out and touch someones eles brain...

[woven wigeon]

Thanks to force sword and kinetic flayer

[rough gale]

wirdly enough the first and only time i Played Vet i got a hard achivment for it. i do not like playing it fyi the class is just not fun for me.

[raw breach]

I can definitely see one. a melee cleave build, flamer staff for quick stagger, soulblaze, and higher peril for feats and blessings

[empty granite]

Meaning quelling doesn't reduce your move speed, which I'm trying to confirm. I thought staves and the sword had reduced movespeed

[gilded viper]

quelling does reduce move speed

[woven wigeon]

I wouldn't recommend melee cleave, that's the one area the other classes are all better at

[devout kelp]

They do, but there's a Feat that reduces the reduction to regular dpeed @empty granite

[full egret]

yes, they move faster while quelling, but isn't quell speed how fast you dissapate perils

[gilded viper]

There is a whole feat for removing that reduced move speed

[empty granite]

I know.

[gilded viper]

I guess im confused then my b

[empty granite]

Sorry, yeah, not quell speed, but movement speed while quelling.,

Doesn't the Force Sword and all the staves reduce your movement speed while quelling the same amount?

[gilded viper]

Yes, it's a stat only on force staves, not force swords for some reason

[devout kelp]

No staves are faster

[woven wigeon]

Staff quell move speed is faster

[empty granite]

WHY?

[woven wigeon]

It's slower than running but

Not by too much

[raw breach]

Quelling while using a staff allows for faster movement with a weapon, it MIGHT be linked to quell speed now that I think about it after watching that J_sat video about what those stats correlate to

[boreal wave]

I think a melee psyker would be more appealing if a charged force sword kill counted as a warp attack to get a charge.

[hallow wave]

So everyone here uses a staff then as a ranged weapon?

[long wharf]

quell speed should have nothing to do with movement speed while quelling

that'd be a weapon type modified to move speed

[empty granite]

Yes.

[woven wigeon]

Yup, the staves just synergise with Psyker too well

[devout kelp]

Don't ask me, sibling

[full egret]

it is though.

[woven wigeon]

And give you a notable niche on higher difficulty

With surge you can lock down tough targets

With voidstrike, you can handle trash better than anyone

[full egret]

if the force greatsword is real, melee psyker might have a chance

[woven wigeon]

And help with gunfights behind cover

[raw breach]

I've played with guns as well just to test what I am now going to be calling "BB Gun" builds.

[solar remnant]

This sounds like a solid idea

[rough gale]

wow! almost have the achievement Cliffhanger for Psy and hes only lv 2! not bad..

[empty granite]

Force Swords and Staves have a quell speed stat bar, so I doubt the movement speed would be tied to it via the bar.

[devout kelp]

Voidstrike also deals with higher tier enemies respectably. Not greatly, but you're bot nothing.

[ornate hamlet]

Good for AOE snipping too

[hallow wave]

38 magazine autogun with flayer is quite good for hordes argubly

[raw breach]

233232 BB Gun Build, using an Accatran Mk2

[woven wigeon]

Ye voidstrike can tag and headshot gun enemies hiding behind cover

It's great

[empty granite]

I meant to ask which attacks DON'T count as warp attacks for the purposes of Warp Absorption?

[devout kelp]

I cry

[burnt python]

15 second cd on flayer invalidates anything built around it

[woven wigeon]

And ye, countersnipe

[rough gale]

why you cry?

[woven wigeon]

With force sword there's a niche

[ornate hamlet]

God, I hate snipers

[woven wigeon]

When you have it up

[gilded viper]

I have looked at the bars of my Force Swords a dozen times, I have never seen a Quell Speed stat

[woven wigeon]

You can close to guarantee the proc

By using the special

It's really the only way to use that perk

[bold maple]

every one and their mum can proc kinetic flayer with 10% chance tf are you guys on

[hallow wave]

Force swords are just very nice for mutants and dogs that refuse to fuck off

[devout kelp]

I've gone to great lengths to set up Cliffhanger and it just doesn't work out for me, sibling

[autumn marten]

make it 5

[bold maple]

you swing melee 10 times and that's a proc

[full egret]

Oh right, I’m remembering the warp resistance as quell speed, my bad

[empty granite]

You might be right. I keep thinking about Peril Resistance

Lol

[devout kelp]

Blue = Warp attack

[hallow wave]

Deflect or bust honestly though

[empty granite]

Violetta and I share the same brain cell

[gilded viper]

Yah whatever the fuck Warp Resistance is as a stat

[deft tusk]

That's not how statistics work 😎

[burnt python]

dueling sword >>>

[long wharf]

warp resistance is how well you not explode when you go past 100% peril, I thought

[devout kelp]

Deflect should be a Psykinetic Melee Feat.

[woven wigeon]

Nope! Warp resist slows peril gain

[long wharf]

I thought that was peril resistance

[bold maple]

that's how it works, I nutted into yo mom 10 times and it's a baby

[gilded viper]

Deflect should just be a part of force sword, no blessing required

[woven wigeon]

Oh

[raw breach]

This was the biggest weakness of the build, but when it did proc, no matter what i was aiming at, it died. I could see it having uses on like level 5 where things have tons of HP. and with the Accatran Mk2's insane fire rate, it procced every ~15s like clockwork lol

[rough gale]

Oh, i just got lucky a hoard was convenitally on a bridge and they blocked me from going forwards lol

[devout kelp]

Or that

[woven wigeon]

I didnt know those were different? Haven't seen them

[deft tusk]

🔥

[devout kelp]

I salute and congratulate you sibling

[long wharf]

peril resistance is a reduction of your peril gain

[hallow wave]

Deflect would be great for the default sword that just have the deflect effect itself just make blocking cheaper

[woven wigeon]

Again, kinetic flayer is useful with the force sword since you can basically guarantee the proc

[ornate hamlet]

Yup.... keep those flames coming for longer brother

[woven wigeon]

With the special

SInce it's a multihit

[gilded viper]

Kinetic Flayer is a great feat

[long wharf]

warp resistance is how you not explode immediately when you hit 100% peril

[rough gale]

i need 3 more but the game...you get the idea i am sure

[devout kelp]

Yeah, Psykinetic penances are mental

[empty granite]

I don't think the empowered Force sword attack is multi-hit

[gilded viper]

Especially with a weapon that can hit a bunch like Purge staff or a dagger

[burnt python]

that involves not attacking with any other weapon prior to the force charge dispel, it's too conditional to actually be good

[twilit folio]

checking back in to remind you all that the surge staff is the superior staff

[woven wigeon]

Apparently it is! Have heard that being the case

[burnt python]

and theres like 4 enemies in the whole game where you need that much single target dmg, whereas a veteran will still do more with like 4 lasgun shots

[hallow wave]

I found a fire staff with amazing cloud It probably wont be viable on dif 4 though

[wind fulcrum]

Siblings, what staff is the best and why is voidstrike? 🙂

[empty granite]

Sibling, I urge you to reconsider...

[woven wigeon]

Ye! But all it requires is keeping an eye on the buff

[hallow wave]

Fire staff is amazing for stagger

[devout kelp]

Because artillery, sibling

[woven wigeon]

I can assure you force sword with a BB on top of it will do more than 4 lasguns haha

[gilded viper]

I still run purge in dif 5 with great results, obviously always look for better ones but I'm sure you'll be fine

[deft tusk]

The fire staff?

[twilit folio]

Siblings, be not confused by the nonsense of your other siblings. Become lightning

[burnt python]

and the in-game situation aligning perfectly with your buff cd... what ifyou need to clear 3 pox walkers before you can reach the mauler you want to hit?

[twilit folio]

The surge staff is the superior staff

[empty granite]

I think we can all collectively agree the worst staff is Trauma.

[raw breach]

You are thinking of it the wrong way I feel like.

[gilded viper]

Purgutis

[hallow wave]

I forget it's name

[gilded viper]

yah, needs something.

[deft tusk]

How is it good for staggering

[woven wigeon]

Oh it's not a completely consistent plan, but it's also not that hard to plan around

[devout kelp]

Trauma Staff is called so because it'll send you to the trauma ward.

[woven wigeon]

Crusher in sight and five seconds till its up? Position yourself close

So you can use it when it's up

[rough gale]

Siblings, all choices are good...not yours steave yours always end with me being shot in the back 3 times a run....

[woven wigeon]

Just a timing thing

[long wharf]

I really want Purgatus staff to be amazing... but the soulblaze is so lackluster that it's not effective to build specifically around it

[gilded viper]

The fire cloud go fwoosh and staggers, the left click is better for it, and very spammable

[hallow wave]

I know it's heretical but I want a pox staff

[woven wigeon]

Also during boss fights you'll be able to get it mega-consistently, which is very nice

[deft tusk]

Trauma requires just good video games skills yes?

[burnt python]

it's certainly doable, its just not worth doing, let alone building around

[gilded viper]

Don't use it for soulblaze

[woven wigeon]

Eh

I'm a fan of the idea

Because it's not competing with very good feats

[gilded viper]

The raw damage of the weapon is fine

[woven wigeon]

Like, if you have a force sword

You might as well go for it haha

[long wharf]

I have an amazing Purgatus staff that I'm consecrating

[woven wigeon]

ALSO

[raw breach]

it's the least fun to use, and hardest to hit moving targets

[devout kelp]

I can't bring myself to use Purgatus, since us siblings are too fragile to not have a mid to long range response.

Voidstrike is love.

[woven wigeon]

It does give you warp charges during hordes

Which is nice

Helps to maintain them

[deft tusk]

Refer to #psyker-class message

[gilded viper]

Voidstrike is also fine, I just love my blue flamer

[rough gale]

i will have to look up and see what staff does what and then play with them. i LOVED the flamenworther?small AOE fire staff in VT2

[hallow wave]

Purgatus requires you have deflect with the left click being just more fire

[empty granite]

Our mid-long range response defaults to BB, lol. You don't need a staff to do that for you.

[wind fulcrum]

Purgatus is fun with the soulblaze feat, lots of easy warp charges. I think it's best for high density hordes tho

[devout kelp]

I do emjoy Purgatus mind. Just too attached to the concept of not being shot repeatedly.

[deft tusk]

Na, I'm just pulling your strings, Trauma is garbage and clearly meant to turn people away from our three-eyed friends

[long wharf]

Purgatus is great at deleting hordes

[hallow wave]

the early soulblaze feat or the 30 one?

[burnt python]

BB is absolutely trash mid-long range response on high difficulties outside of a few scenarios (hiding sniper, cornerpeeking gunner, etc)

[devout kelp]

Not when BB charging takes forever and needs two popd to kill basic elites

[long wharf]

but Void is better

[wind fulcrum]

lvl 30 yeah

[gilded viper]

I also play at higher difficulties with a competent vet player, so I tend to not get shooters on me enough to be relevant

[empty granite]

Your team is likely shooting those elites, so in practice it'll still be 1

[devout kelp]

By the Emperor. A competent non-sweaty Vet you say?

[hallow wave]

I really like running the cooldown for continus fire

[wheat monolith]

love me void staff

[wind fulcrum]

Void is great for high damage long range. Even tho it can go thru multiple enemies, Purgatus is still better against high density

[raw breach]

Requires the most effort for the least reward and does trash damage. Skill != Effectiveness

[gilded viper]

Oh no they're annoyingly sweaty, but it's hard to get teammates for damnation

[wind fulcrum]

And remember that we always have brain burst for those long range enemies

[devout kelp]

I hear you sibling

[woven wigeon]

Actually it can still handle gunners and snipers in one pop on damnation

So

[burnt python]

If you position well, void deletes hordes much quicker

[woven wigeon]

There's that at least

[gilded viper]

Keep in mind for BB even if you don't get the kill, you bring them low enough for an easy finish

[long wharf]

positioning is everything with void

[rough gale]

where do i find them. i am hating Steave right now for shooting me in the back and crashing my last run...

[bold maple]

sometimes you have no room to position

[long wharf]

nice clean line of heads? void 'em

[bold maple]

or ranged enemies rape your ass

[hallow wave]

does that make cerebral lacurations not very useful?>

[woven wigeon]

Tbf even when u cant position void is still good

[deft tusk]

Sorry, refer to #psyker-class message 😄

[woven wigeon]

I pull it out in melee often

[gilded viper]

Ehh, what row is that one on again?

[devout kelp]

Actually spamming artillery is everything with Void, sibling. @long wharf

[burnt python]

you can fingeroll spam right clicks to knock everythign down and force it to clump, before annihilating it all with a partial charge

[wind fulcrum]

I don't really like Purgatus, I much rather explode my enemies from afar, but I can't underestimate getting into a corner and burning everything in front of me

[hallow wave]

i think it's 15

[long wharf]

"fingeroll spam right clicks"? what is this sorcery?

[bold maple]

purgatus + tight corridor + horde is an experience

[woven wigeon]

Also, the fucking noise when you headshot like 50 poxwalkers with the voidstrike staff

[empty granite]

It's just holding right click and spamming left

[woven wigeon]

And your headphones explode with the noise

Is so good

[burnt python]

basically just firing uncharged right clicks as fast as possible

[long wharf]

oh ok

[floral stump]

All heads should explosively decompress

[devout kelp]

BB, but a different kind

[long wharf]

yes, very much explosive goodness

[deft tusk]

I absolutely agree, the Trauma is so ridiculously garbage that all my friends told me to play psyker when I started and we went straight for Menace making me lose my shit three times a second

[gilded viper]

Psychic Communion is better for warp charge upkeep

[woven wigeon]

Yeah I can't justify passing up psychic communion, it's too invaluable

[devout kelp]

Psychic Communion + Kinetic Flayer

[gilded viper]

amazing combo

[bold maple]

those 2 feat make the soulblaze push actually viable

[burnt python]

amazing combo, if warp charges were good 😛

[bold maple]

cause you're constantly at max warp charge

[woven wigeon]

They are!

Well, not the design

[devout kelp]

Yeah...

[woven wigeon]

But almost 20% damage isnt shabby!

[empty granite]

I agree, but I REALLY want other feats buffed to make the choice actually hard

[devout kelp]

18 % damage

[woven wigeon]

Ye

[burnt python]

it's 12% if you're using kinetic flayer, and it grants breakpoints on only 1 special on damnation

[devout kelp]

Meanwhile Vet gets 50% against bosses and Reapers or some shit

[woven wigeon]

Yeah I'm thinking less about breakpoints since it's still early

[gilded viper]

Sure, but the warp charges always at 4 with the +24% peril resistance from your lvl 10 talent makes it very good

[woven wigeon]

And everything has been taking multihits

And breakpoints are extra fucky because of weapon stats

[burnt python]

im strictly talkin BB breakpoints on specials

warp charges do nothing f or it

except for gunners

[rough gale]

if i am being honest i was hoping to have staff, not a big op staff just a starter shit one

[devout kelp]

What do you mean, a future where all Siblings can freely mix and match multiple options? No way.

[gilded viper]

agreed, the laspistol is fine, but they should get people used to staves earlier

[ornate hamlet]

I agree... Nothing more boring than having jsut one build that works, as everyone ends up having it

[woven wigeon]

Psyker with an autogun

Make the build viable you cowards

[deft tusk]

You get through the first 5 levels in like 3 games? 😄

[gilded viper]

I'm sure kinetic flayer makes it usable at least

[empty granite]

I tried to document that in an improvement post because hard choice is good choice.

[devout kelp]

Make our kit sync with non-Force weapons if the Armoury is going to be flooded with them

[burnt python]

they should make flayer give waaay more frequent but lower dmg BBs

for rapid pew

[woven wigeon]

I don't think kinetic flayer can proc on bullets haha

[gilded viper]

You still need to get lucky with a staff in your shop as soon as you unlock it

[rough gale]

or Parel type weapons by lv 3 when you get into tr2 missions

[gilded viper]

any damage

[woven wigeon]

Oh!

I;m a silly bean then

[hallow wave]

it can proc a double brain burst

[deft tusk]

wtf, I've gotten every single staff every time I've unlocked them in the shop

[empty granite]

The reason our shop is littered with lasguns and autoguns is because of all the different Mk1/MkIV weapons.

[rough gale]

Parrel is a big deal for a Psyker in this game so getting one staff is a good why to teach how to manage it early

[ornate hamlet]

I just want a lightening build, so can jsut fry the feckers

[gilded viper]

I know, and here I am waiting 10 levels after unlocking it to see my first Eviscerator on Zealot

[devout kelp]

Yeah and even if there was only one, our kit rarely ever syncs with it

[deft tusk]

BB is the skill they meant to teach you

[rough gale]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hehehe-gif-14874691

[glossy hazel]

Brainburst needs to do % damage. 50% for Maulers, Crusher, 100% for the rest, 5-15% ||don't know what number would be best|| for Monstrosities.
It takes long to charge even with the feats for faster charge, builds your peril like crazy, slows you down to a crawl and can be hard to aim at times "Oh you want to BB that gunner? Let me target that poxwalker behind him."

[ornate hamlet]

Exactly....

[empty granite]

We have 22 ranged options (which includes all the weapons types with each of their Mks) and 15 melee.

[gilded viper]

Also curios

[empty granite]

So at the shop, only 6.7% of the time a melee weapon shows up it'll be a Force Sword.

[devout kelp]

Oh you want to BB that gunner?

Railing.

[long wharf]

Sire Melk should only hand out staves for the random purchase

[gilded viper]

Asuming the blaze is the only force sword variant at launch

[empty granite]

This is true.

[devout kelp]

Sibling the truth hurts 😭🧅

[hallow wave]

Curios with xp boost 🚮

[glacial abyss]

sibling

[gilded viper]

can we like never see +xp curious after 30

[deft tusk]

That'd be only a 20 week grind every single week for the weekly tasks to minmax with the current gear we have

[rough gale]

i its good but for a noob not used to VT2 it will throw them off "why am i getting this effect?! i am not using BB right now?!" i didnt understand till Dwarf got his Hot pistols THEN it hit me that the weapon applies the effect

[gilded viper]

is that not a binary lever they can flip?

[empty granite]

And any specific Staff is only 4.5% chance.

[devout kelp]

Sibling no 🧅😭🧅🧅

[ornate hamlet]

TBH, IIRC, Psykers do serious damage to daemons, but as a trade off, they can be possed by them

[glossy hazel]

If they add Prestige leveling where every level after 30 gives a reward it could still be good.

[rough gale]

Before i Mained Sienna i was a BH main.

[polar gulch]

how's that a trade off though, don't daemons give you lots of powah

[ornate hamlet]

So anything demonic would get spanked

[hallow wave]

"3 axes and 3 las guns you say psyker?"

[deft tusk]

The reward is buying DLC subclass so you can utilize that xp bonus 😎

[bold maple]

instead of a comic blowup we should get possessed by daemons imo

and turn on your team

[deft tusk]

You can be the baddest bigboi in the hood with that sweet level 30 subclass before anyone else

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, if you don;t mind inquisition giving you a nice holiday and a cup of tea

[gilded viper]

We'll likely need to level a new character for the new classes, and currently curios aren't shared between characters

[empty granite]

So, in lore, you'd be possessed forever and your character would just be killed by the party.

[rough gale]

agreed sibling

[gilded viper]

You're soul is literally eaten

[empty granite]

That too

[devout axle]

Also the loss of free will and damning your soul to eternal torture within the Warp.

[sly nexus]

turn into a daemonhost when u peril death

[bold maple]

in lore, you wouldnt get "rescued" when you die

[glossy hazel]

I feel like subclasses will be freely switchable ala Vermintide 2 style.
You got a 30 dwarf? Now you have all a 30 Ranger, Slayer, Ironbreaker and Engineer aswell.

[deft tusk]

I will still maintain the position that if they add this, I will go 100% level 1 missions to show new players how fast life can be

[bold maple]

it's a game in the end

[deft tusk]

How do you fix a grief that is built into the game?

[devout kelp]

Unsanctioned Rogue Psykers and Witches, yes.
Sanctioned Psykers (named Primaris Psykers because they're category 1, other categories tend to be sacrificed) are cortex-melded with the Emperor (hence they all call each other Siblings) and are thus incredibly resistant to Daemonic influence. (They can still blow up, but are resilient against Daemons)

[rough gale]

you would be "rescued" just with a round to the head insted of getting up

[empty granite]

Well yeah, but they've worked hard to achieve an aesthetic and realistic approach to the lore while making a game

[ornate hamlet]

I am follower of Nurgle, may his pestilence sooth my sins

[empty granite]

7

[rough gale]

But Slaanesh is more fun!

[bold maple]

having an iron rod shoved into your pp sure sounds fun innit

[devout kelp]

Sorry.
Blood for the Blood God but whispered.

[rough gale]

if you like it don't knock it

[hallow wave]

I am a follower of rngjesus because I finally got a master-craft curio a the 2nd to last day of the beta. Sadly with xp boost but hopefully i can fix it

[empty granite]

Angron is confused...

[deft tusk]

Indeed this is a fact, how are subclasses handled, nobody knows.

[long wharf]

(whispers) skulls for the skull throne

[devout kelp]

Are you offering, sibling?

[glacial abyss]

wtf

[bold maple]

the law requires that I say no

[ornate hamlet]

Nothing finer than fingering a pustule Mmmm mmmm

Some hot sh*t right there

[devout axle]

It's most likely subclasses will be done just like in Vermintide, where a character can switch to any other class within their archetype.

[rough gale]

the Silence Offends Slaanesh (mutters lowly)

[long wharf]

I think at this point, assuming FS will do something "just like in Vermintide" can't be assumed

[devout kelp]

My dear siblings,
We all serve a great purpose. As thus we should unionise and demand the Omnissiah buff our kit.

Much love,
XX

[empty granite]

I thought they said that subclasses weren't guaranteed, but new whole classes were

[glossy hazel]

They need to increase character limits though, having 5 max is a bad sign. Imagine having to delete one of your characters just to play a new one.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm off.... ADios guys and have fun tomorrow#

[deft tusk]

To be fair, if I was developing a game, I'd just reuse the code as well 😄

[bold maple]

LMAO

[devout axle]

Sure, it can't be assumed definitively. But considering they literally copy pasted Zealot from Vermintide into Darktide, I can say there's a pretty good idea where they are pulling ideas from.

[devout kelp]

So... Ratling Snipers or Kin Squats first?

[long wharf]

then why isn't currency and crafting mats account-wide?

[empty granite]

A Vo-Tann class would be cool

[devout kelp]

Oh god imagine how much more useless BB is with Ratling Snipers.

[deft tusk]

Do you want an answer or speculation about credit card numbers?

[rough gale]

agreed, and dont hate me siblings, but i dont see them doing a Mechanicus class or want one. they get lobotomized for less before they become anything outside of pawns for the higher ups

[bold maple]

cause obese shark is too fat for his own good

[glossy hazel]

Squats are a huge no-no. Squats are Leagues of Votann exclusive pretty much. Squats in the Imperium are rarer than non-horny Slaaneshi followers.

[rough gale]

not to mention they SHOOT Inquisition on sight

[devout kelp]

Yeah I guess, more or less the same with Mechanicus or Sororitas. They handle their own prisoners.

[deft tusk]

They just brought them back my dude

[glossy hazel]

With Leagues of Votann.

[devout kelp]

Especially as Inquisition ain't got nothing on the Mechanicus

[devout axle]

People acknowledging that Squats exist lmao.

[empty granite]

I DO want a Sicarian Rust-Stalker, but Admech rejects don't make lore-sense

[rough gale]

hmmm i am trying to think of a good 5th class/character.....and i am drawing a blank...

[devout kelp]

But you do have Squats on Necromunda so that's... Something.

[deft tusk]

Have you seen how popular dwarf rock game is? It's definitely coming 😄

[devout kelp]

Ratling Sniper

[rough gale]

i have a character for all 4 classes so why give us a 5th slot...

[glossy hazel]

Sad doubt.

[devout kelp]

We have big lad, now give small lad

[rough gale]

they have yet to bring them back....plus we have the Vet witch is suppoesd to be the sniper

[devout kelp]

Yeah... Cries in BB

[glossy hazel]

Games Workshop takes lore accuracy seriously with 3rd party media. Which is why for instance Priest of Sigmar was made to ONLY have hammers and a single flail weapon.

[rough gale]

does the same while rubbing your back

[twilit folio]

https://tenor.com/view/victor-saltzpyre-gif-22117141

[devout kelp]

Give me a Sergeant Buff Aura-class or a Telepath Buff Aura-Class please.

Give me a Crusader class.

[rough gale]

might be coming out with the extened classes later. would not suppries me at all

[devout kelp]

Crusader as on the guys with swords and shields. The Inquisition ones.

[vague prawn]

I know the zealot is basically already a redemptionist, but I want a redemptionist.

[rough gale]

i want to see an explosions expert to be honest

[devout kelp]

Give me a dude from a Rogue Sector. Like one of those Roman looking Guardsmen.

Give me... Blood Pact.

[bronze sierra]

I literally just wanna set EVERYTHING on fire

So gib pyromancer

[vague prawn]

There have been a lot of voice lines about ratlings.

[bronze sierra]

OR a blank

[rough gale]

i honestly think we should have more than Nurgle to fight in a Hive City. Plus it would be fun to fight Slannesh Runners and Khorn Berzerkers

[bronze sierra]

Like a reverse psyker class

[mild lotus]

I have a question for my siblings. What colour are soul flames to you? I see them white with light shades of green/blue.

[bronze sierra]

Teal

[empty granite]

Hit F with the Ascendant Blaze feat and you'll light the world on fire.

[bronze sierra]

Oh i know

[devout axle]

Puke green. Pretty sure that's normal.

[bronze sierra]

But its not enough

[rough gale]

Blueish Whight from the vids i have seen

[bronze sierra]

even with a purgatus

Or heres a thought, a status effect subclass

[wintry ivy]

That looks like a power sword, right?

[hexed wadi]

a green teal

[vague prawn]

I don't see colors, but they do have a distinct smell.

Also I think everyone should get the power sword.

[bronze sierra]

Do they smell purple?

[mild lotus]

What smell is it closest to you then?

[hexed wadi]

burning

[long wharf]

I don't think it makes sense for a Vet to get a power sword, frankly

[empty granite]

Damn, you're right.

[vague prawn]

Yep, burnt marshmallows and the enforcer's locker room.

[long wharf]

if anyone should, it should be the Zealot

[empty granite]

Agreed.

[mild lotus]

I wish the force sword had decent cleave attacks

All I have as a cleave combo is light-heavy-reset

[devout axle]

Have ... have you ever used a Power Sword?

[empty granite]

Horde clear will probably be on another Force weapon later

[mild lotus]

I said force sword

[devout axle]

Oh derp

[bronze sierra]

Cant sergeants be equipped with one on tabletop?

Power sword wise

[hallow wave]

supposedly there will be a 2H force sword

[vague prawn]

I mean, you can give a guard veteran or sergeant pretty much anything.

I hope we'll see power fists soon.

[empty granite]

Probably not. If anything it'll be on an Ogryn.

[bronze sierra]

Qso hear me put siblings

Customizable psychic powers

[empty granite]

Remember we're all rejects, so we get the scraps of the imperium

[mild lotus]

Yes, that would have been great

[bronze sierra]

Not huge amounts

[devout axle]

Reposting this since its been a few hours
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[mild lotus]

I guess the feats are our way to customise psychic powers

[bronze sierra]

But maybe like a choice of 3 abilities and like 3-4 secondary effects

[burnt python]

will you show results, won't let me view again D:

[bronze sierra]

Or a secondary effect based on a affectation that is essentially our focus

[empty granite]

I don't have a favorite because out of the 3 usable ones, they're each good and fun in their own way.

[mild lotus]

I find it to be sort of a missed opportunity to only give 1 single "spell" to every psyker and then having to rely on your ranged option to have another choice of "spell".

[remote flume]

Will the psyker get more melee weapons centered around the peril system cause the non peril weapons seem kinda boring in comparison

[mild lotus]

But then again, give more than brain burst to psykers and they'd become over tuned .

[empty granite]

Very likely, yes.

[mild lotus]

Beyond repair.

[burnt python]

ahaha the one trauma staff lover

[bronze sierra]

Honestly i love the purgatus staff as its the most fun equal to voidstrike

[cobalt bramble]

well so the psyker class will have more subclasses probably so hopefully they have other spells when the others get realeased

[remote flume]

And more staff types cause the lightining staff way better than the rest

Cause the other staffs seem useless in comparison

[lost pike]

It's good but not way better.

[burnt python]

its not even the best

[vague prawn]

I think it's pretty likely we'd see a force axe, maybe we'll get our hands one of those fuckin grey knight nemesis force halberds!

[bronze sierra]

I disagree tan

[empty granite]

Voidstrike is best all-rounder. Surge is best CC and team coordination. Purg is best horde clear and fun with it.

[ornate lichen]

I can only get so erect

[mild lotus]

Surge staff is an easy no brainer that will always be good. that's its strenght.

[lost pike]

Voidstrike with Quell is so fun

[mild lotus]

But the other staves do serve a purpose

[bronze sierra]

I love me heretic BBQ and heretic bowling with void

[burnt python]

it is not good if your teammates aren't good

[remote flume]

Lightning staff does insane DPS and stuns everything that's run at your team

[empty granite]

Considering the Nemesis weapons are Space Marine sized and specifically used by the Grey Knights, it ain't gonna happen.

[woven wigeon]

I wouldn't say surge is big on dps

[burnt python]

it absolutely does not do insane dps lmao

[mild lotus]

I only work with the finest of the emperor's subjects

[remote flume]

The force aoe in particular seems useless

[bronze sierra]

I mean fair but i just find it better to kill it than stun it

[ornate lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/you-took-a-dump-on-that-dream-7ven-sort-of-you-killed-my-dream-ruined-my-plan-gif-23418721

[devout axle]

Updated to the new round of votes

[empty granite]

Sibling, someone needs to keep you in line.

[bronze sierra]

On a secondary not, whats even a point of the trauma

[burnt python]

surge falls off as difficulty goes up, due to target limit and inability to specifically choose targets

[remote flume]

Surge is big on DPS 4 strikes good tonnes and DMG is quick succession

[mild lotus]

that one non-staff user seems to be a sibling of taste

[bronze sierra]

Like what can it do the voims cant

Void

[woven wigeon]

Ye that's a big strength of Voidstrike, it only gets better with higher enemy density

[lost pike]

Stop embarrassing me, sibling!

[rough gale]

My Beloved Protects me in the dream Sibling, you can do nothing.

[vague prawn]

No I agree with Charles. If I have have a sack of thunder hammers, bolters and plasma guns no one is stopping me from getting my hands on astartes force weapons!

[hexed wadi]

If someone says they like Purgatus staff, please direct them to the #zealot-class channel, they are lost and confused

[burnt python]

yep, and knockdown is the best CC

[woven wigeon]

Someone told me it has the highest singletarget dps of all staves

[floral stump]

Until Psyker gets a Grey Knight subclass

[woven wigeon]

But I haven't tested that

[bronze sierra]

I see

But it doesnt have the range

[remote flume]

Flame staff needs more range then it would good or a explosion ability after the flame animation ends

[empty granite]

That's so out of the scope of Darktide's lore it's borderline heresy!

[mild lotus]

Grey what sibling?

[vague prawn]

I wanna burn heretics and pop heads, is that so fucking wrong?

[burnt python]

trauma also gives great cc with quick charge knockdowns

still needs some love to be competitive

[bronze sierra]

So its more of a knockdown cc than anything purpose wise

[hexed wadi]

/me laughs in Surge Superiority CC

[empty granite]

To which Surge does it better

[bronze sierra]

Yeah

[burnt python]

trauma is the best staff for single target / elite dmg

[lost pike]

Trauma is annoying to aim with sometimes. I would rather use the other three

[empty granite]

Surge keeps the head still and upright for the Vet during the animation

[mild lotus]

I find death to be the better form of crowd control.

[devout axle]

Haven't done any numbers testing for Trauma Staff, but I'm pretty sure its detonation also bypasses armor.

[ornate lichen]

Best sibling ever

[hexed wadi]

haha nope

[mild lotus]

that's why the autopistol never leaves my side

[remote flume]

Trauma is the one with aoe on the ground? That needs some love really bad when compared to other staffs

[lost pike]

yea

[shy yoke]

purgatus staff is hot

[lost pike]

I tried it once and never again

[burnt python]

its nearly as good as surge on damnation if you can aim it well lol

[empty granite]

I have a grey 376 autopistol that I need to try out, but can't bring myself to do it because the staves are too fun.

[remote flume]

Never use any guns on psyker lol

[floral stump]

I am waiting for that or Librarian. I firmly believe in this

[long wharf]

the trauma staff should have set damage when you charge it, with the charge behavior only being how wide the explosion is

[burnt python]

trauma hits infinite enemies in the circle, surge hits 6 of its own choosing

[bronze sierra]

I love my purgatus staff

[woven wigeon]

Fear the level capped Psyker in prisoner rags using an autogun

[burnt python]

surge does not always stun on a single charge cast on high dificulty either

[bronze sierra]

Its not good, but by the 5 is it fun

[mild lotus]

autopistol goes DAKKA DAKKA

[long wharf]

I love your purgatus staff as well

[empty granite]

Librarian is a title for a Space Marine though. The subclass needs to fit the game well.

[remote flume]

It stuns if you charge it half to full on the bar

[bronze sierra]

Now hear me out

[remote flume]

Does for me anyway

[bronze sierra]

Blank class

[empty granite]

Void is infinite until it hits an elite

[bronze sierra]

And it is quite literally all about supressing the enemies

[mild lotus]

Would be atrocious to play with as a psyker

[vague prawn]

Lemme tell you about so real crazy shit sibling.
In the Dark Heresy tabletop RPG there are rules for playing a grey knight, and among those rules are some grey knight weapons which don't exist anywhere else in the lore and one of them is called a NEMESIS DOOMFIST.
And we we believe hard enough I'm sure such a thing could manifest itself on Atoma.

[woven wigeon]

Librarian Psyker subclass but they were a literal librarian and then conscripted

[burnt python]

void is infinite until it hits carapace, and is the best staff by a fuckin mile imo

[solar remnant]

Man a blank would be really interesting

[bronze sierra]

Right?

[empty granite]

Ah, carapace, thanks.

[lost pike]

I dunno, you can spam surge on multiple enemies to stun lock a bunch quicker than you could with the Trauma, I would think.

I could give it a shot again at some point

[woven wigeon]

Ye Voidstrike can go through elites, can vouch

[bronze sierra]

Also hear me out

[long wharf]

if the elite dies, yes

[remote flume]

Surge is super op for gun squads too

[bronze sierra]

Its better to eliminate a threat than to stun it

[ornate lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/olan-rogers-youtuber-sarcasm-sarcastic-excitement-gif-4754141

[lost pike]

Voidstrike goes through normal enemies and explodes on higher ones, i thought

[burnt python]

killing > CCing, there is no argument against that statement lol

[empty granite]

That would work in a funny way and an ode to Space Marine Librarians.

[remote flume]

Protects your frontline too cause of the constant stuns

[devout axle]

Voidstrike pierces enemies it kills.

[signal turret]

Charging only increases the number of targets the lightning chains to. Instant cast is 6 and a full charge is 8. Those rare occasions where the chain lightning doesn't stun im pretty sure is a bug.

[bronze sierra]

Literally gunlines melt to my void

[empty granite]

But CC is king when you need to disable the Mutant/Dog/Crusher bearing down on your team

[lost pike]

Surge is also amazing at pushing back exploders

[empty granite]

Those extra 2-3 seconds are amazing

[floral stump]

I might have to try out the voidstrike.

[lost pike]

Even mid jump, i had one pushed back before it could explode

[burnt python]

If, and only if, you can't kill it in the same time frame

[woven wigeon]

Ye Voidstrike is also great for gunner enemies since it can hit them from behind cover for a headshot that'll likely kill them

[mild lotus]

Just side dodge them

[floral stump]

Do you get full knockdown from just a tapped cast?

[empty granite]

Which staff?

[floral stump]

Voidstrike

[long wharf]

void

[empty granite]

Yes

[woven wigeon]

Voidstrike's charge does impact the knockback strength

I had to charge to interrupt a Reaper, for instance

[bold maple]

this channel cant go an hour without jerking off about how good voidstrike is

[burnt python]

Depends on enemy. If it doesn't KD it still staggers

[lost pike]

Well, it seems like all of them are good in their own way. Just get 4 psykers each using a different staff

[ornate lichen]

What about an Astropath Subclass? Maybe something to see specials through walls like the Veteran, but with more bonuses to the party like extra damage or more crit chance?

[empty granite]

Sibling, I didn't bring it up. Yell at the others.

[woven wigeon]

I just enjoy talking about Psyker haha, and staff choice is a big part of that

[signal turret]

It's okay, enlightened siblings know which staff is truly superior.

[bronze sierra]

Maybe a navigator class?

[woven wigeon]

Heavy laspistol staff 😌

[floral stump]

Telepathy would probably be a bad idea, reach out and open a mind link to a cultist or Daemon

[long wharf]

all I know is my wife loves mine.

[empty granite]

That's what I was thinking, but what would it even do?

[bold maple]

telekinesis pls

[bronze sierra]

Just fear

[sly nexus]

could possibly target specials through walls

[bold maple]

I want to pick up enemies and smash them against walls

[bronze sierra]

Opening the navigators eye

[ornate lichen]

I repeat... I can only get so erect sibling

[bronze sierra]

or it could ping mats

[burnt python]

vet already does that

[lost pike]

Pick up enemies and throw them into hordes for AOE knockdown

[signal turret]

Our Psykers already do it. Seems to be super rare ime but your psyker will comment on the thoughts of the people in their party

[tawny maple]

A shame not many people care to explore their weapons enough to figure this out

[sly nexus]

i play an astropath in rogue trader campaign and astropath would have so many good memes in darktide

[lost pike]

I routinely switch between every staff to keep it fresh

[floral stump]

There is a difference in reading the mind of the people you are fighting with, and reaching out to say hello to Grandfather.

[signal turret]

Ogryn will tell you to get out of their head, pretty sure vet/zealot just call you a freak

Absolutely dude is a weird not-chaos-god-but-maybe-is energy thing

[tawny maple]

it's not exactly a mind read, it's more like sensing the emotion/general topic if person is really concentrated on it

[floral stump]

I love it when I start laughing and cackling, and then the Ogryn joins in

[bronze sierra]

My guy, i teeter on the edge of heresy constantly

I love the loner personality

Crazed german psyker is just a whole vibe and a half

[woven wigeon]

One of the vet personality says that if you're rooting around in their head, they'd appreciate it if you let them know where they left their lucky rock

I think that was like

Loose Cannon lol

[floral stump]

My Gal is all wounded dignity. It is not her fault that her superior was being objectively stupid.

[ornate lichen]

So I'm not super knowledgeable about all the lore, but the Warhammer40K wiki has some cool stull about the different psychic disciplines. Biomancy seems especially suited for this game.

[wintry ivy]

Loner has referred to the Emperor as the Carrion Lord on more than one occasion

[sly nexus]

i love the german psyker yelling "ENEMYYY, AMMOO"

[bronze sierra]

Surge staff is essentially biomancy

Smite falls under thst

[mild lotus]

Professional french psyker is my go to

[floral stump]

Some of these schools involve a higher class of psyker, or are not something likely to find on a common psyker.

[devout axle]

Literally every word out of his mouth is sedition and its great.

[bronze sierra]

Thats fair

Fun fact

Im a cadian outcast german psyker accused of sedition

[burnt python]

in your opinion, what are teh schools that are likely to appear, or at least fitting to do so? I'm new to 40k

[lost pike]

Loner has the best line when he talks about the subtitles

[vague prawn]

Smite is a pretty general power, but bio lightning is close enough. Lots of really weird shit in biomancy, great if you wanna to grow wings or turn someone inside out.

[lost pike]

i love it

[bronze sierra]

So it fits

[vague prawn]

Also, here's one idea for a subclass.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Templar_Calix

[ornate lichen]

Oh shit really?

[floral stump]

I know basics of psyker stuff, but the majority of my knowledge is about how much tasty biomass you can be turned into.

[bronze sierra]

Oh no

[lost pike]

https://twitter.com/itsZuBei/status/1597619542313664512

Zubei (@itsZuBei)

I crack up whenever my Psyker says this. "No, not... four shortened life spans. I said foreshortened lifespans! Why are you not paying attention? Look at me, not them!" @Darktide40K

▶ Play video

Twitter · Nov 29, 2022, 3:52 PM

[floral stump]

But yes

[bronze sierra]

Eversor zealot

[floral stump]

there are multiple tiers of psykers

with the Emperors favorite flavor being alpha level souls to eat

[bronze sierra]

It fits, bit would be so very aggressive

[vague prawn]

I think if you're can fight 1000 poxwalkers you're a pretty strong psyker.

[empty granite]

Yeah, we seem to be lower-tier Psykers among the general Psyker populace

[floral stump]

Agreed Rybot

[ornate lichen]

wait did you say EAT?

[floral stump]

I did

[bronze sierra]

He must consume souls

[gleaming imp]

They get crunchetized by emp'rah

[bronze sierra]

It keeps the golden throne lowered

[floral stump]

1000 a day to light the path in the warp for Mankind

[mild lotus]

It's more of a slurp actually, but the idea is the same

[bronze sierra]

Powered

[empty granite]

He hasn't been invited to the Throne room yet. Tragic...

[devout axle]

To keep the Golden Throne powered, a thousand Psykers are sacrificed to the Emperor every day.

[polar gulch]

don't blame me, I voted for Horus

[bold maple]

which is kinda cheap actually

[empty granite]

Shhhh!

[bronze sierra]

Id say its more akin to a gelatinous cubes consumption

[floral stump]

It is a transcendental moment.

[woven wigeon]

I'm reading my first 40k book and the protagonist admits he's not too good at Psyker stuff, but he still pulls off all these cool tricks like using force commands on people

Whereas my Psyker can only headpop lol

Feels like I just wasn't trained

[vague prawn]

That Eisenhorn?

[bronze sierra]

A certified latent psyker moment

[floral stump]

Actually I was reading about this earlier let me see if I can find it. One of the books actually walks you through the process of being consumed from the psykers viewpoint

[ornate lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/concerned-im-very-concerned-concern-gif-7479283

[mild lotus]

being a low level psyker has its perks too

like being a less likely target for daemon possessions

[woven wigeon]

Yeeee, funny james bond spaceman

[empty granite]

We're literal Psyker rejects so it isn't much to say that we're bad at being Psykers, canonically

[bronze sierra]

Namely not being noticed mainly by the blackship taz

[ornate lichen]

Clearly there is alot of lore I need to catch up on

[woven wigeon]

Also with all the agonised sounds my Psyker makes and constantly screaming "I CANT CONTROL IT!"

Sounds like I could be using the powers better lol

[floral stump]

I read it as we are Rejects, who are Psykers not Psyker rejects

[vague prawn]

Well, one of the voices used to be working as...some sort of Cop?

[woven wigeon]

No wonder other classes are so nervous around Psykers

When their ult lines are so harrowing

[bronze sierra]

I mean my general vibe would be concerning

[vague prawn]

You have to be a pretty strong psyker to not get just straight up fed to the emprah

[empty granite]

While that's probably the actual reason. I still think us being bad Psykers is more lore accurate and good balancing compared to random human veteran guy

[mild lotus]

Being a psyker is like having an open window, it's nice but all kinds of stuff can get in.

[bronze sierra]

Like enslavers

[floral stump]

I think I found it

[ornate lichen]

Rybot has a good point, from a gameplay perspective

[floral stump]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8hsggm/book_excerpt_master_of_mankind_the_first_psyker/

That is what it is like to be fed into the throne

[bronze sierra]

Imagine them addin enslavers to terrium

Tertium

[vague prawn]

We'd probs be boned.

[glacial abyss]

honestly we are probably higher tier than you think

[bronze sierra]

we could take it

[floral stump]

Can we not?

[ornate lichen]

Do I even want to know with a name like that?

[empty granite]

How so?

[glacial abyss]

low end get sacrificed very high end get sacrificed

[floral stump]

Though Traityn COULD cause that problem if he felt spicy

[bronze sierra]

Look up enslaver plague

[floral stump]

Doesnt he have enslavers in the collection?

[bronze sierra]

Yeah

But not live ones

An ossified corpse of one

[glacial abyss]

player character psykers are at least above the astropaths

[floral stump]

I feel like there might be one of his dioramas and he forgot about it or a few even

Since he has a Dyson sphere of his collection

[woven wigeon]

I feel like I'd be fine in Darktide's world

I can do 10 dodges in a row

[glacial abyss]

u gotta be like gamma level

[woven wigeon]

I'm all set

[bronze sierra]

dont forget he just casually has a bunch of thunderwarriors

[ornate lichen]

I am terrified

[bronze sierra]

yeah

theyre fun

[vague prawn]

It's just a funky warp squid.

[bronze sierra]

warp illithid

for anyone wanting a link:https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Enslavers#:~:text=The Enslavers are entities that,creatures who remain in realspace.

[woven wigeon]

Looks smoochable

[floral stump]

What were they.. Chimera? The warp fear manifestation things that had no physical body and there was no way to escape once they decided to kill you?

You were just dead while walking?

[bronze sierra]

tunr a psyker into a warp portal, from the warp IIRC

also deathmarks are pretty spoopy

[floral stump]

Psyker body ripping apart and warping into a flesh a blood daemon gate

[bronze sierra]

ye

fun times

average teusday

tuesday*

[ornate lichen]

Since we are on that topic, what other warhammer 40k enemies would fit in this game?

[floral stump]

Tyranids

[bronze sierra]

hoenstly

[floral stump]

This setting is RIPE for genestealer cult

[bronze sierra]

stealr cult

aye

[hexed wadi]

Genestealer cult

[ornate lichen]

oh yeah I heard of those

[woven wigeon]

i dont know 40k lore like at all but, I know fighting those space elves would be cathartic for vermintide players

[glacial abyss]

genestealer just not tyranids

[ornate lichen]

basically tyranids version of "the Thing" right?

[bronze sierra]

its true, we all form a hive mind

and not really

[glacial abyss]

also other daemonic factions like khorne

[floral stump]

Uhhhh

[bronze sierra]

its bery much a slow mutation

very much*

generations and such

[floral stump]

The thing is more of a Lictor isnt it?

[bronze sierra]

^

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/tyranid-attack-space-marine2-ultramarines-warhammer40000-attack-gif-25493766

[floral stump]

Or a *thrope?

[solar remnant]

I think there is one more elite enemy and one more monster that hasn't been in game yet

[floral stump]

Gaunts and warriors

[bronze sierra]

thropes eh?

[floral stump]

termagaunts

[woven wigeon]

There was a chaos spawn in that trailer so ye I'd expect them at least

[floral stump]

I would LOVE to see a Zoanthrope to float into sight in these corridors

[glacial abyss]

what would have been cool if this game at least let psykers get stronger off of each other and synergize their attacks

its something that happens in 40k its even in the short story for the psyker lol

wish it was used in game

[floral stump]

Or how terrifying would it be to be on one end of a corridor and there is a biovore at the other?

[bronze sierra]

itd be neat, but id love to see the other 3 have cultists AND to have all daemons in

[ornate lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-intense-scare-gif-21112634

[floral stump]

I would love to see the other three, or even undivided but instead of Daemons, I want to see princes.

[ornate lichen]

me looking up all these things ^

[bronze sierra]

TBF princes are daemon princes

so they are literally daemons

[floral stump]

You knew what I meant though

[bronze sierra]

or hear me out

astartes

death guard

[floral stump]

Greater Daemon vs Daemon Prince

If they play them true to form absolutly

but that is a level of gross that people might not realize they asked for

[bronze sierra]

oh but i would love to see it

i love me my nurglite followers

[ornate lichen]

personally I'd love to see a temporary event where we fight greenskins

[floral stump]

Maggots dripping from a head as it cracks and ruptures on your screen

[bronze sierra]

i played a black crusade game as a deathguard

and i had liek 2 squares of movement

[floral stump]

Orks and Temporary are not a thing in the same sentence

[bronze sierra]

but like 80 toughness

[floral stump]

Orks and Permanent are

[sour bison]

of Slanesh 🍑 🍆

[ornate lichen]

okay you have a point Shae

[bronze sierra]

and was blessed in such a way where i ignored any critical damage aside from insta death

[solar remnant]

Would be cool to have a nonkillable enemy slowly chase us

[floral stump]

Orks grow from the spores orks shed 24/7

[bronze sierra]

they make a whol,e ecosystem

i remember 3rd edition orks

i had a crewed bassilisk in my army

it was goofy

[ornate lichen]

I'm so happy my siblings are teaching me about the wonderful universe of the Imperium

[floral stump]

Tyranids are my first and only true love in 40k

Chaos is a close second. I hated the Emperor the moment I read about em.

[bronze sierra]

i have like 2.5k points of orcs then went to necrons

[floral stump]

But I love the Chaos Gods, and how people only see the one side of them.

[bronze sierra]

to be fair

its hard for tzeentch to be 2 sided now that hes shattered

[floral stump]

It is not a wonderful, but it is a universe.

[bronze sierra]

and got rekt by a girl and her dog completing the labrynth

[floral stump]

I am a little behind on lore so I have been spending this time hunting for things and lore vids to catch up.

So I have not read up on the gods in a time. Someday I hope to get myself a book from the hiveminds PoV. Even if it was all janky and fucked up brain bug style a la starship troopers

[glacial abyss]

all u guys need to know is that basically all of you are bound psykers. thats why u got the collar all the time

[bronze sierra]

i mean bound psykers dont neccessarily need that collar IIRC

[long wharf]

aren't bound psykers blind?

[grand forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-crying-cry-sad-dp-for-girls-nikocado-avocado-cry-nikocado-cry-gif-24874856

[floral stump]

Who needs eyes when my faith in the emperor will illuminate my enemies?

[bronze sierra]

thats true pheonix

its only that as a bound psyker youve been through soulbinding

[woven wigeon]

Basically what I went with for my Zealot lol. Faith's a hell of a drug, can even replace senses!

[bronze sierra]

typically it will blind them, but it isnt a requirement to slap a collar on the psyker

[glacial abyss]

im thinking youre a bound psyker because you can't push yourself as much and youre super likely to blow your head off. but you dont need to be soulbound, you can be sanctioned as well

[bronze sierra]

if that were the case then why do the others have collars

were you saying that as like for RP reasons or actual lore?

[floral stump]

I dunno about you all, but with my psyker when I was talking with Zola about why I was locked up my answer was my SO was a dumbass. So I came out and willingly went to it on heretics with a shovel to prove my loyalty.

[vague prawn]

Being blind is more of an astropath thing.

[glacial abyss]

nah i mean for lore

[glacial abyss]

correct

like for example sanctioned psykers have a bunch of stuff that limits them and prevents them from going demon mode lol

[vague prawn]

Though sanctioning is never easy, and almost always leaves scars of some kind, be they physical or mental.

[bronze sierra]

well soul binding does have that effect on astropaths, it does strip them, alot of the time, of their sanity, not to mention it does al;ot of optical nerve damage to the recipient

[glacial abyss]

like for example the collar and all the weird crap u wear in the gear and equipment u have is there for a reason

[bronze sierra]

be they psyker or astropath

not to mention

[glacial abyss]

its to drain warp energy so u dont become a demon portal lol

[bronze sierra]

astropaths are a subset of psykers

but the collar we have from the beginning isnt due to us being bound

its more akin to a manacle

[bleak sonnet]

its because our dommy mommy gave it to us

[bronze sierra]

that too

[glacial abyss]

yeah what he said

[floral stump]

I do love how they swept so much under the rug with Inquisition lets us do this.

[glacial abyss]

but regardless i think every psyker character is a bound/sanctioned psyker because they cant push their strengths to their limit and its very controlled

[bronze sierra]

oh yeah

[glacial abyss]

no risk of daemonic portal or anything and you have a lot of gear to drain warp energy

[bronze sierra]

unsanctioned psykers generally arent free to run around

though free is a loose term here

[glacial abyss]

well u either sanctioned or on the run or dead lol

[bronze sierra]

yeah

[devout kelp]

Of course they're Sanctioned - there's no background where you aren't, plus I doubt the Inquisition would work with rogue witches.

[glacial abyss]

was just trying to explain it so people understand

[devout kelp]

Aha

[bronze sierra]

and seeing as being on the run in an INQUISITORS SHIP would be the worst plan to run to

[glacial abyss]

depending on the background you get caught and then are sanctioned

[bronze sierra]

now if it were a rogue trader's ship

maybe

[glacial abyss]

but regardless u are a sanctioned psyker

[devout kelp]

Yeah all Primaris (Category 1) Psykers (Sanctioned) are cortex melded with the Emperor. Hence siblings.

[bronze sierra]

i mean yeah but then you arent an unsanctioned psyker at that point

[floral stump]

I am not so sure, don't the majority of Inquisitors eventually end up turning heretic to their own Ordo?

[bronze sierra]

it depend upon how puritan they are

[devout kelp]

That's different, that's diverging opinion on modus operandi. They're still Primaris.

[bronze sierra]

or radical

[sharp oasis]

i hope there will be new force swords

[bronze sierra]

i think theres gonna be like 2 new varients

at least thats hwat ive heard

[sharp oasis]

#icanonlydream

[runic escarp]

New force great sword!

[bronze sierra]

ive found force sword to be... meh with my playstyle

theyre good

but i dont really use em

[ebon jolt]

Can force swords roll with block efficiency?

[bronze sierra]

yea

i ended up with one

ive just found my devilsword better for my purposes

[sharp siren]

force sword has a trait that allows you to block bullets, pretty neat

[bronze sierra]

it got a roll with MASSIVE cleave

like 80%

alongside on multihit it adds 150% more

so uuhhh it tears through pox walker hordes

[ebon jolt]

Just got a power sword with deflector. I didn’t get much of a chance to use it. Wondering how much block efficiency can stack between the sword and curios.

[devout axle]

Melee weapons can roll up to 15. Highest I've seen on Curious is 10.

[floral stump]

If they give me a Force Greatsword you will see me alternate between a flamethrower and massive melee swings. I would greatly enjoy this as a playstyle

[signal turret]

Im absolutely dropping my Force Sword forever if I can replace it with a greatsword.

[deft tusk]

Options? Heresy!

[sour bison]

I want force axe

[devout axle]

I want Force Fist.

[ebon jolt]

Do you know if those stack additively or multiplicatively?

[devout axle]

I don't know for certain, but I know most things in the game stack multiplicatively.

[ebon jolt]

Even if they stack multiplicatively that’s still around a 64% reduction between 6 warp stacks and inner tranquility, the weapon perk, deflector and three curios. Wonder if it’s worth the effort to try that out 🤔

Combined with passive quelling I wonder what you could stand in front of forever.

Not snipers. Learned that one the hard way…

[mild lotus]

I hope we will see the old gui of the open beta back.

[dark snow]

Blocking with the force sword seems to stack peril way faster tan a normal weapon with the kinetic deflection perk, not sure if this is due to passive quelling speeds but its extremely tanky if you are not focused on blocking ranged attacks.

[mild lotus]

the colours and the esthetic of it felt better to my tastes

[devout axle]

I did like the peril meter more in the closed beta.

[mild lotus]

yes, that was great

[dark snow]

I only seem to get the laughing on higher peril

[opal finch]

ive never noticed

[dark snow]

I would imagine it depends on which voice you choose as well

[mild lotus]

the voicelines are definitely tied to peril level

low peril = in control, calm

[long wharf]

my female psyker's voice lines are tide to joy level

[mild lotus]

high peril = ape shit

[dark snow]

90% of the time ape shit haha

[bronze sierra]

i have occasionally gotten the insane psyker lines at low perils

but its been rarely

[vivid merlin]

I will not lose control, I will not

[mild lotus]

Also, bring back shotguns for psykers FS

[devout axle]

THIS is but a TASTE!

[regal raft]

There’s 3 named genestealer cults active on Terra at this current time. I think it’s safe to say there would definitely be a genestealer cult possible of popping up on the planet. It would also mechanically be the easiest to adapt into the game, since tyranids outright would just be way over our heads and require a space marine chapter or other reinforcements like an entire SoB fleet to arrive and deal with.

[long glacier]

Does the forcesword right click do anything?

[dark snow]

Just curious to hear some opinions, what changes would you make to the Psyker from Pre-order Beta to launch?

[long glacier]

or is it just for push

[dim pier]

It blocks as does every other weapon?

[mild lotus]

it blocks attacks

[dark snow]

block, push, block ranged with the Deflector perk.

[devout axle]

It's one of the highest stagger pushes on melee weapons.

[long glacier]

oh I see, someone told me it doesn't block melees lol

[devout axle]

But it does no damage, compared to other melee pushes.

[long glacier]

guess thats false info

[dim pier]

Yeah they're wrong, it has pretty low stamina but it still blocks attacks

[devout axle]

Imagine blocking with Stamina lol.

Block with Peril like a REAL Psyker.

[dark snow]

It works well with the peril blocking feat.

favorite feat

[dim pier]

I heard peril blocking+deflector is amazing

Never got the chance to try it

[devout axle]

You can block ranged shots forever.

[signal turret]

Can confirm

[devout axle]

(Mostly forever)

[dim pier]

How much peril does blocking generate?

[mild lotus]

the quick attack after a push with the force sword throws on the ground even maulers and ragers

it's very powerful

[signal turret]

IME, a blocked hit was ~11%

IIRC

[dim pier]

Ooh that's much better than I thought then

[devout axle]

Depends on the attack you are blocking

[signal turret]

^ That too

[dim pier]

Assuming ranged basics/light horde attacks

[devout axle]

Poxwalkers and most ranged shots will only generate like 4%-6%

[signal turret]

That ~11% was from dregs/poxwalkers on heresy

[dark snow]

Higher difficulties peril builds up pretty quick

[devout axle]

But you can also use your ult while blocking to get 50% of that back instantly.

[signal turret]

TBF if it's more for clutch damage prevention rather than consistent damage prevention

[dark snow]

Also dont try to block Crushers or Snipers.... trust me

[signal turret]

name of the game is still to not get hit at all

[regal raft]

I would change warp charges to either scale with peril up to its max charges at critical peril threshold, as this would be much more reliable then gambling on gaining stacks and then synergies with other weapon talent builds fo X stat increasing with peril, or change the peril charges duration down to 20 seconds but it purged a single stack of peril at a time instead of every stack.

I would replace some other career talents that would function with staffs like trauma and voidstrike, instead of the current meta builds synergizing on Brain Burst or doing a lot of damage on a lot of crowds to proc a gambling chance effect more reliably.

[primal aurora]

I think blocking also doesn't interrupt peril passive fading (correct me if I'm wrong).

[dim pier]

Yeah, especially with the force sword dodge range/infinite dodges, you're gonna be dodging or pushing most of the enemies

[devout axle]

Its the same as blocking with Stamina in that regard. As long as you are not generating peril, eg. blocking attacks with it, your peril will decrease over time.

[signal turret]

Yep. You get some epic moments when you're the squishiest class yet somehow the last man standing and pull off the clutch save

[dark snow]

Yep it happens alot. If you want to feel like an imortal crackhead throw on a combat knife with peril block.

[primal aurora]

And yes, a lot of people don't like current perk tree of psyker. Too random, too underwhelming.

[dark snow]

Kinetic deflection is the only feat i am extremely happy with

[devout axle]

Kinetic Deflection is the only talent that really makes a difference. Everything else is barely noticeable.

[dark snow]

There are way to many chance perks

No way to stay consistent

[devout axle]

Though, tbh, my only real gripe with Psyker is how pointless Brain Burst feels 90% of the time.

[primal aurora]

I also find iconic "battle meditation" hilarious. 10% to quell 10% peril is essentially unreliable 1% peril quell on kill, it doesn't make a difference at all.

[regal raft]

That’s just a problem in general, it’s all gambling mechanics, gambling on gaining what you need to exist, gambling on something procing, nothing that encourages an actual engagement with systems or gameplay.

[dark snow]

yeah on higher levels it is more usefull to be a walking surge staff.

[mild lotus]

it could be a warp resistance stat scaling on your amount of charges stored

it would give them more utility

and effectively reduce your peril overall

[burnt python]

battle meditation is very good while mulching hordes w/ a staff

[torn dawn]

orgyn strongest

[mild lotus]

We all believe so, brute.

[regal raft]

I think the costs they made for brain burst are perfectly fine for them buffing it so that brain burst can two shot the mauler ogryns.

[devout axle]

Non-Psyker detected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1pBqfGmrE

[torn dawn]

cant brain burest me, me 2 dumb haha smash

[stuck gull]

Poor guy has no brain to burst