zealot-class

[obsidian prairie]

I have no idea if it works now but I saw a clip of someone one fanning a BoN in a live game with it

[grizzled aspen]

Lumii if you're gonna try that can you at least run something that isnt unusable as your melee.

Like hsword would be perfect for that because you can actually hit horde oneshot breakpoints with martyrdom.

[delicate shadow]

hsword marty is very stable

probably one of the best pairings for that keystone

[remote lark]

whats ur fav pick for havoc aquino

croncher?

[delicate shadow]

mk3 evis with rev it up and opportunist

wait meow isn't even here rn

[tawny walrus]

How's this combat shotgun? (Still leveling it so perks and bless are low level)

[remote lark]

based

[delicate shadow]

ah good

but actually answer is either relic blade or crusher

[remote lark]

i fucking knew it

[hard nexus]

i wish opportunist was 50% rending, at least on chain weapons

then itd actually meet some interesting BPs

[delicate shadow]

relic blade is probably better for havoc but crusher is just...very fun

[delicate shadow]

it's pretty funny (in a sad way) that chain weapons have the most restrained blessings when it comes to numbers

even though I don't think there's ever really been a time where chain weapons have been particularly problematic?

[hard nexus]

no they’ve always been kinda mid

mk13g chainsword is slept on though, it’s really strong

[tidal berry]

I noticed during my havoc runs I defaulted down to basically those two weapons and started hating myself for it

I didn't touch DS for ethical reasons (and everyone else is running one anyway)

The reason I don't touch chain weapons was and still is that I hate how special is basically a self-stun

so basically its a skill issue

[delicate shadow]

this is true (though I find it boring to play)

[delicate shadow]

same (also a skill tissue on my part)

like I know you can dodge out of the rev now but like ehhhh I don't vibe with it

[modern lintel]

id rather playe either chaxe then chainsword

[delicate shadow]

mk4 chaxe is probably the only chain weapon I actually find interesting, I'd find the evis more interesting if target caps were increased or just removed

[tidal berry]

tbh there is some truth to big revs not being so good when you have to carry big time

like if I have a team helping with a pack I'll land a few revs without effort, or they'll eat shit and die and I'll have to dance around 6 crushers at which point I don't like having a chainsword anymore, a chainaxe would allow chip damage though..

[twin wagon]

[tidal berry]

It has a little to do with how all the real damage comes at the last tick of big revs so if I cancel I have just wasted my time

[delicate shadow]

Chaxe 4 also enables some real "emperor take the wheel" type of gameplay which can be fun

[tidal berry]

and this can doom you if you cancel a few revs in a spot where you're backed up to a wall or something

while a relic blade would eventually chew through by sheer panic swinging

[tidal berry]

It is fun, I've liked it even on veteran but tbh its a really slow weapon, works a lot lot better on chastise zealot

[delicate shadow]

yea if I have to clutch I really like: Crusher, Hsword and Relic Blade...probably in that order too

[tidal berry]

I haven't tried hsword in havocs yet, well not in high ranks anyway

[delicate shadow]

I mean rashad is probably the best actual clutch weapon but that means running a rashad and that's simply not cool™️

[tidal berry]

I have some doubts about how it will fare against carapace there

[delicate shadow]

in Havoc I simply wouldn't want to have to clutch at all

[tidal berry]

p much, I don't rly enjoy havoc tooo much, my friends are too casual to grind it and I don't really enjoy sweating with randoms

I imagine most ppl approach havoc like that, play it till you get the titles and cosmeticcs and then drop

[delicate shadow]

party finder at least isn't as much of a barren wasteland as weaves are for verm

[tidal berry]

I think it might become one if its not improved

[delicate shadow]

pretty much, unless you end up like one of those people that HAVE to play H30-40 just to feel something

but I have modded VT2 to scratch that itch and that's way more fun and replayable so lol lmao

[tidal berry]

Idk how I feel about rank decay systems and time gates

that also plays a role with party finder shenanigans probably

[delicate shadow]

I've said this before but havoc being a ladder system is stupid

I'd have preferred to have it be like a mission select thing where you can just choose the havoc level or some such

but that also goes back to how mission select in DT sucks to begin with

hell most people's approach to the havoc "grind" is to just skip it by playing with people that are already in high havoc lmao

[tidal berry]

yeah.. I remember how the very first map drops had people not even being able to play because the map was not on rotation

[tidal berry]

pretty much how I got into it, do a 30, cleared, then go from there

I did some low ranks to boost my friends later but still the possibility to just get boosted is still there regardless

maybe the rank decay is a way of filtering out the people who aren't good enough, but this boils down to a classic flaw in matchmaking competitive games that turn people salty

that their performance is rated along with their teammates

[delicate shadow]

yeah I don't know the exact thinking behind it

all I know is I don't like it

[sterile basalt]

some day in 2039

[tidal berry]

all I know is I'll be binging monhun in a few weeks so I don't have to worry about it

[delicate shadow]

it feels like extra hoops to jump through for content that very quickly becomes something you'll stop wanting to play once you get your fill/achievements, imo.

like pretty much what you said in that message above

[tidal berry]

just the good old carrot on a stick, which works if people enjoy the experience while chasing the carrot. I just very much doubt avg player enjoys havoc that much

[sterile basalt]

timed weekly decay is abysmal
3 try demotion can be made more lenient (4~5) to encourage a bit more experimentation
havoc's direct rewards for grinding is far inferior to auric and it's only saved by weekly cache

[delicate shadow]

content with an effective expiry date is kinda like...but why tho

[tidal berry]

yeah timed decay psychologically wears me down and makes me not boot up the game. I have this with all FOMO stuff in games it chases me away rather than the intended effect

[delicate shadow]

like FS put in a bunch of extra work and effort to make the whole ladder system and whatever despite the fact the mode likely would've been better off and have more staying power if they just didn't do that lol

[tidal berry]

I'd just rather not worry about it at all

[sterile basalt]

also havoc is kinda predictable in a worse way than other modes because u WILL KNOW what ur getting into every time u queue up a havoc
horde spawns are progression based (same as normal but u will move slower so it's far more noticeable)
boss spawns are progression based (same as normal but u will move slower so it's far more noticeable)
meta is super boring (weapons that outright ignore cleave as a mechanic)
modifiers are pre-selected with very small pool

[tidal berry]

those rewards aren't even relevant anymore to someone who has mils of mats stacked

its a game that receives something new to craft every how many months now?

[sullen forge]

My only issue I’d say would be hitmass seeing it heavily limits what weapons you can run

[sterile basalt]

if more weapons' blessings were actually good the crafting materials in endgame would mean smth
purely to experiment with builds

[delicate shadow]

it all comes back to balance

[tidal berry]

so much this

[sterile basalt]

it's very funny when plasma gun of all things has the highest % ratio of good vs total blessings of any weapon (at 66.6%)

[tidal berry]

that means plasma still has bad blessings and we should fix that

its not obvious enough, also I still can't cleave through into the next map yet so cleave also still needs buff

[sterile basalt]

rising heat
gets hot
blaze away
optimized cooling
focused cooling
gloryhunter

power blast (just a worse version of gets hot)
shattering impact (high ADM across the board)
volatile (QoL value too low)

[tidal berry]

I love how shattering impact isn't even like.. ''bad'' bad, its just that the weapon doesn't even need it lmao

[hidden grove]

They need to make plasma primary do less dmg and take less ammo, that way secondary will be used and the gun will also not suck at clearing ranged critters

[sterile basalt]

2 of those 3 can be made better with higher numbers
give power blast +300% strength to charged shots and enable charged shot to bypass carapace's cleave end property, basically make it "thrust but gun"
make volatile much faster

[sterile basalt]

hipfire's dmg is actually very carefully balanced to the point where it needs very specific talent investment to hit important 1 shot breakpoints
only dmg that deserves nerf on it would be hipfire vs carapace and unyielding specifically

charged shots are fundamentally not worth atm and this is exacerbated by hipfire shots doing better even vs carapace & unyielding

if charged shots actually could chunk bosses and consistently 1 bodyshot ogryn elites people wouldn't view it as useless

[hidden grove]

buffed charge shot downs 4 crushers in one hit, imagine that

[sterile basalt]

should be only if u run power blast but yes as broken as that sounds I think it's "fair trade" because u do trade away 1 of 2 very important blessing slots

[hearty nebula]

super laser piss rifle

[sterile stone]

Give minigun for vet

[hearty nebula]

no

[misty ravine]

Every time I think about Blessings I think back to Vermintide 2's Big Balance Beta. Class/talent and weapon balance was mostly improved, but all they succeeded at doing for Weapon Traits was nerfing Resourceful Combatant/Sharpshooter into the ground and setting the Swift Slaying Meta in stone for all time

[hearty nebula]

ask for something more interesting like a lever action smh

veteran needs more precision ranged options beyond helbore lasgun or whatever its called, bistol, and plasgun (im not counting bolt gun because why would i take it and not magdump it)

and also maybe a new melee

[twin wagon]

I'm still wondering, why do people think disablers are unfair?

[hearty nebula]

actually definitely a new melee shovel sucks

[sterile basalt]

veteran needs more good melee weapons more than ranged weapons

[delicate shadow]

best I can do, take it or leave it

[hearty nebula]

yeah their melees are. grim pickings

[sterile basalt]

not that grim, u just don't get many options
4.5 to be exact

[hearty nebula]

shovel makes me retch on how slow it is at horde clear and duelling sword is fucking mind numbing to use

[sterile basalt]

I just want more options, either in the form of a buffed existing weapon or in the form of a new release weapon

[hearty nebula]

i want to like combat axe but good god it's so fucking slow

[sterile basalt]

closest one to reaching that would be tac axe (specifically VII)

[hearty nebula]

it still feels too slow when im at maxed martyrdom stacks

[remote lark]

tacaxe is so fun

[sterile basalt]

combat axe is high investment for high performance

[hearty nebula]

taxe is aight but i dont like the moveset (or giving myself an rsi)

[delicate shadow]

rashad is plenty speedy

[hearty nebula]

i know, and im fine with slower melee weapons, it just doesn't feel good to me

[delicate shadow]

otherwise I like shovels, I dig 'em unironically

[hearty nebula]

played a couple games with it and just went
"nah"

its very good, just not for me

also hi stinkuino

[delicate shadow]

that's Sickquino actually

[sterile stone]

Make it single fire and have surgical with built in 50% rending and I'll take it.

[delicate shadow]

fuckin' flu hit me like a truck

[hearty nebula]

actually now its shitquino

[delicate shadow]

deal

[hearty nebula]

shit yourself. NOW

[sterile basalt]

ultimately u end up with
combat axe III
power sword VI
duelling sword IV
combat blade VI
heavy sword IX (is the 0.5)

excluding combat blade VI, the rest don't have much combo variation and the most depth they have is more stamina management than anything innate to them

and everything else is "u pick this for fun" tier

[hearty nebula]

yeah

im going to be trying heavy sword next, i like it on zealot alot but we'll see for veteran

[sterile basalt]

it's a good pairing with exe boltgun, I run it with a lot of success

[hearty nebula]

i've been running double barrel for shits n giggles

[sterile basalt]

exe boltgun has crazy high investment but backs it up with real firepower
so u just need a low investment horde clear melee that doesn't immediately tank vs bruisers

[hearty nebula]

oh yeah i know

i played around with uhh bistol+exec for a while and it was just stupid proficient

[sterile basalt]

I've tried chainsword with it and it's not nearly as good

[hearty nebula]

i hate the chainswords

chaxes just feel better to me

[sterile basalt]

its role on veteran is basically horde clear supplement if u can't afford to run a combat axe (or don't like power sword)

[hearty nebula]

i don't mind using power sword but it has some boring ass combos, thats for sure

especially considering how fucking long it takes for special to activate

[sterile basalt]

power sword has a total of 3 combo options

[hearty nebula]

never forget what they took away from us

[sterile basalt]

[hearty nebula]

[modern lintel]

current relic blade gameplay

[hearty nebula]

true but rb has better combos if you want em

nothing stopping you except yourself

[tawny walrus]

I need to figure out a relic blade build that runs immo grenades

[bitter anvil]

that means Graia Braced auto

[bitter anvil]

what was old power cycler like?

[sterile stone]

Guy who had it a while ago

Said you could get 11 charged lights off pre nerf PC and like 5-6 charged heavies

[bitter anvil]

man that way powerful

[sterile stone]

Especially since it had near infinite cleave yeah

[bitter anvil]

but fair i can see my own eyes

because mobility on PS suck.

[hidden grove]

2 charges you can do that insta 2-hit combo on crushers

11 charges you can literally mow down entire crusher groups 😂

[bitter anvil]

well if FS add cooldown on the blessing

it wouldn't be hated to be nerf

[bitter anvil]

for mk6?

[hidden grove]

think it was achlys, it's that popular model with all the horizontal slashes

[bitter anvil]

that's mk3

i use mk3, is simple for me. 6 lot use for as poking from push attack

[hidden grove]

the mk3 has only that one stab, the push stab, but chain that into a light after you two shot crushers

[bitter anvil]

3 has bad hitting on crusher head i assume. 6 is obvious look poking crusher head deal big dmg

[sterile stone]

@delicate shadow Remember infernus from the beta

[bitter anvil]

remember shotgunner 1 shotting you

[sterile stone]

Remember ogryn fire ripper that could burn a DH to death in seconds

On damnation

[bitter anvil]

did infernus removed from ogryn ripper?

or you means from the light em up talent pre-nerf

[hidden grove]

their ult is what burns and pretty sure can still shat on DH

[sterile stone]

Light em up pre nerf

I think Josh might have a clip of him just beaming a boss as ogryn in like 4 seconds from 100 to 0

@royal vortex Aye do you have the clip of Ogryn before they nerfed the fire talent

[bitter anvil]

if power sword, power cycler decrease charges from 11 to 6 and a short cooldown, would that be band-aiding or actually a deal?

[delicate shadow]

god

yeah I remember Josho's clips of melting entire screens when he was in his Ogryn era

[bitter anvil]

did infernus has no limited stack or DoT is big?

[sterile stone]

I think it was exclusively ogryn

The burn stacks the talent had applied per pellet from the shotgun and the amount of stacks you could build up was bugged

[bitter anvil]

ah

well infernus removed from shotgun then?

[sterile stone]

So you could do some shit like apply 800 -1200 damage per fire tick

[bitter anvil]

and made new marks of CS, the dragon breath one.

[sterile stone]

I think the fire shotgun has always been in game. Right @delicate shadow ?

[bitter anvil]

yeah big pp dmg, so shotgun in beta domiated

[sterile stone]

Nah the ogryn talents for the fire ripper occurred when we got our first iteration of skill trees

[bitter anvil]

i was there before blessing and perk tweaking added.

[sterile stone]

A lot of shit changed in a relatively short amount of time

Like vet didn’t have keystones on launch of the new skill trees

[bitter anvil]

it was around like nov 19 2022

so yeah long time ago, there wasn't a 2 new shotgun mark

my first time purchase this game:

[sterile stone]

The beta was fun

[bitter anvil]

was beta still in 2022 that time?

[sterile stone]

One of them was yeah

It was open to people who pre ordered the game.

[bitter anvil]

i see, yeah i was low level. theres no weapon upgrading like blessing changing and perk, it told us "Comming soon"

all i did just rank up weapo tier

[sterile stone]

I still remember the old 1-3 trees

[bitter anvil]

and old time boy the armory was far right side of commissary as the upgrade station on left far side

[sterile stone]

Simpler times man

[bitter anvil]

what's 1-3 tree like?

[modern lintel]

fgs still v cool

[bitter anvil]

oh the column old feats?

[sterile stone]

Ngl it was shit...

But it had some crazy talents, liek veteran had an ability that got changed as of now that allowed your teammates to regenerate a grenade off special/elite kill

[bitter anvil]

yeah limited feats, like i remember the vet my favorites top main one feats node is "sustain fire" + "unwavering focus"

and i slap my 3 toughness curio up 320

im a fucking juggernaut then, and i loved. My gun go is the recon, agrip brauto.

boy that time damnation some guy has scoreboard blaming me bringing recon on damnation

[delicate shadow]

I don't think it was available on release? but I really don't remember

[bitter anvil]

there was unluckly wipe, i had to carry other guy weight, i felled off anyway. Guy blame me not dealing more damage, and he pat other player back, and other guy he shit on it.

[bitter anvil]

it wasn't, i still remember, it was from the armory something update, that add the 2 mark shotgun

[twin wagon]

Yep both shotgun marks came on the same patch

[bitter anvil]

the kantrael and agrip

[delicate shadow]

and yeah this, it was ridiculously busted.

[bitter anvil]

lawbringer is only one shotgun before the patch

[sterile stone]

We should bring it back, it will allow everyone to complete havoc 40

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrows-wink-gif-5753057

[bitter anvil]

i also alway bring demo stockpile from the 1-3 feats, and i either pick larger cohen or team demo

i need check old feats

yeah i pick demo stockpile and team demo

[delicate shadow]

you say that but

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

[spare talon]

LMAO

[cursive tundra]

Amateur number
https://youtu.be/pEPjxcBe5JY?si=0EUu91f2mrPXVzK8
Skip to 1:35

[spare talon]

literally what is the point of a cancel macro on the fucking mk3 power sword

[cursive tundra]

Free power cycler
I never use macro

[tawny walrus]

I watched one youtube short on a person doing the van life and now my algorithm is full of van living

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-the-beast-gif-10089390

[hearty nebula]

basically yea

[tawny walrus]

I'm just bummed my instant noodle + cooking algorithm has been disrupted

[hearty nebula]

skill issue

typically it fixes itself if you remove the video from your watch history & ask it to stop recommending channels

but that is a big factor of why i don't use shorts, it's really easy to fuck up your entire feed

[tawny walrus]

Oh thank Sigmar, the Turkish outdoor cooks have returned to my feed.

All is right in the world

[faint prairie]

W

[modern jasper]

Man I wish there was some sort of sallet helmet zealot could have

Imagine the swag

[modern lintel]

@copper hawk so their is more drops for kcd2 but uh

[pulsar yoke]

All I want is for the feretory not to clip with damn near every zealot hood in the game

[jolly scarab]

i need help to frind zealot as the poc restarted my progresws

[obsidian quail]

how the hell did your account got resetted

until you did it accidentally

[jovial cosmos]

They mean they changed from i assume console to pc

And cross-save doesnt exist

[tawdry leaf]

gotta love the hair jobs man

[heady rapids]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/BSqYyYexdu

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/haircuts-gif-8228538

[hearty nebula]

happy friday everyone

[hearty nebula]

fake, darktide is a game where you go out of your way to flex on noobs with your big dps

they are obviously a noob

[next marlin]

What is the best chorus build right now ?

[obsidian quail]

same as charge build, but you pick chorus instead

[sterile stone]

I mean it’s for a valid reason

This isn’t a competitive game so it doesn’t really have much value outside of niche circumstances. You can tell someone is shit by actual gameplay, you don’t need a spreadsheet to show you that.

[static sky]

Is there a new map? I just got walloped on a map I’ve never seen. My whole team had no idea what to do or where to go.

Dialogue about servitor elevators I’ve never heard before too.

[sterile stone]

You mean excise vault?

[static sky]

Possibly. I didn’t catch the name.

[sterile stone]

You putting containers in a big machine thing?

[static sky]

We didn’t get there

[sterile stone]

Ah

[static sky]

We pushed a button on a platform and had no idea where to go. We got flanked, surrounded and picked apart.

It was a sand map

[sterile stone]

Sounds like the average pub

[sterile stone]

Probably excise vault then, old map that got taken out and reintroduced

[static sky]

Just when I thought I learned all the map layouts… I was on #8 of 10 aurics without dying in pubs 😦

[modern lintel]

@copper hawk also idk if u saw but funny helmet limited time

[sterile stone]

Happens, just run it back

[next marlin]

And what weapons do you use ?

[obsidian quail]

whatever i want, but recently when i play chorus i use relic sword/las pistol

sometimes hammer

dunno what difficutly you are playing on so if its not havoc then you can use whatever

[next marlin]

This is my 4th day on the game, just finished to lvl 30 my Psyker

And what is the most interesting female voice ? Everyone seems to say fanatic female but is that true ?

[obsidian quail]

they all are different, use whatever you like
you can change the voice later

[hybrid jewel]

Is taste. Do you want drunk scottish, MASTER OF THE EMPEROR spam or Judge?

[obsidian quail]

i myself really like male Agitator, one of the best in the game for me

[next marlin]

Drunk Scottish seems fun

[obsidian quail]

there is no scottish accents

or does the fanatic speak with it, i cant tell to be honest

[hybrid jewel]

Female fanatic.

[obsidian quail]

not obvious for me whatsoever

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-demoman-poke-eyes-gif-26017637

[stone fern]

male judge and female agi are the best

[sterile stone]

Close your eyes and pick the one that sounds baldest

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

bald
Right eye injured
Left eye patched

[fleet zealot]

stretchin

loafin

[copper hawk]

Yah i saw, i need to do it

[vernal terrace]

MK6 wasnt a thing until post nerfs

unless im going crazy and misremembering

[vernal terrace]

gonna tell zealot chat this is cole playing darktide

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1i723it/good_old_pre_nerf_power_sword_miss_the_9/

there was actually a video of old power cycler posted on the reddit a while ago @sterile stone@bitter anvil

[copper hawk]

Good ol boys in the good ol days

[signal spoke]

[vernal terrace]

it was

silly
broken
fun

[crimson python]

Can anyone suggest a blessing combo for relic blade? I’ve got Rampage and Wrath right now, but I’d like to optimize as much as possible. It’s a martyrdom build with Fury and Stun grenades.

Gun is infantry autogun

[hard nexus]

cranial rampage (wrath if in high havocs)

[crimson python]

Thanks!

[fleet zealot]

no dodging, no blocking, just fun, this is what fatshark took away from us

they are MOCKing us

[vernal terrace]

it was extremely busted tbf, you could cut through 5 crushers like they were paper (implying ds4 doesnt do this rn but i dont think fatshark is ready for the power cycler nerf outrage x3)

[fleet zealot]

darktiders are spoiled with melee i swear on godemperor

like i know melee should be less intensive cause of the more range focus but jfc it seems like people jsut want a melee system tehy don't have to engage with half the mechanics

[tame sluice]

somehow every veteran player was still dying in melee with this fucking thing

[sterile basalt]

Light them up scales up to 31 stacks (it’s the only burn source that can go to 31 by itself)

[copper hawk]

i love the slurp..

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4423cc-e20d-4015-a037-f57a167b4bce/my-melee-psyker @copper hawk rate the build

It didn’t use my silly picture

[placid fiber]

10/10, didn't look

[stone fern]

surge doesnt work well without flak and with DD in general

[mighty root]

I know I just wanted something that was good for bosses

And i hate using guns on psyker

The only boss that makes me uncomfortable in close range is beasts

[pale spindle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MNp3HhnWrbE?si=ifmjBaOr5id0BeqM

[fleet zealot]

looks at you with my autistic eyes

[grand tangle]

I didn't know eyes can have autism

[polar nexus]

Per Reginald testing rampage wrath had better ttk in high havocs

[hard nexus]

ttk on what

[polar nexus]

On mobians iirc

[placid fiber]

rookie numbers

[placid fiber]

My new desktop backround. @fleet zealot

My wife asked "is it a blonde with booshy eyebrows?" cuz she was pretty far away lol

My wife doesn't get ferret >.>

[fleet zealot]

Ferrets with eyebrows are cursed

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-its-beautiful-amazed-tears-of-joy-spongebob-gif-9164833

Dude coulda got a little more value if he didn't miss a swing

Them semi charged heavies

[nimble fiber]

[sterile stone]

[hearty nebula]

abysmal dogshit

[mighty root]

It works for me

I love it, if I wanted I’d use the mk4 dc with it

[hearty nebula]

u don't need psykinetic's aura, and also missing warp rider

[mighty root]

The mk 5 ds, mk 4 dc, and the uhhhhhh other one

[mighty root]

I couldn’t tell a difference between with or without warp rider

[hearty nebula]

i mean you're using duelling sword so that's kind of a given

but it still helps if you're using your ranged option

[mighty root]

Ok real

I don’t really know what to drop for it

[hearty nebula]

but you don't need psykinetic's aura, really. scriers gaze has a cooldown of like.. effectively 15 seconds, and you can lower that even more

[hearty nebula]

give me a second

[mighty root]

So just get the crit aura?

[sterile basalt]

traditional EK without shriek

[hearty nebula]

check dm

[mighty root]

We love warp unbound

[hearty nebula]

also yeah drop electrokinetic staff for something like voidstrike/blast

voidstrike is very funny on scriers

[plucky gate]

wtf
but also it's impossible for dueling sword to be bad so you'll probably do fine anyways.
Anyways is this for havoc or auric?

[hearty nebula]

auric because he'd get shitstomped if he tried taking scriers into havoc

[misty nova]

EK Scriers like me

[hearty nebula]

and EK is just bad in havoc idc what you say

[hearty nebula]

you can definitely make it work but there's just better options for scriers, EK pairs much better with venting shriek imo

[plucky gate]

yeah but what if he isn't a coward?

[hearty nebula]

overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[mighty root]

Yeah I know that and I took it into havoc and did fine

[mighty root]

Tbh in havoc it is

Sat there pressure washing a bon for a minute

[hearty nebula]

it's too hyperfocused on singletarget to perform well while not having enough boss damage

[mighty root]

I also did it with the d claw

[hearty nebula]

dclaw is funny on scriers i like it

[misty nova]

Oh I'm totally aware that high peril generation=better shriek
With that being said
More crit chance and crit damage to my staff

[hearty nebula]

yeah i just wouldn't take it into havoc, but i'd be down to do scriers ek in like aurics

[mighty root]

Real warp unbound with surge staff isn’t the worst but in havoc it’s mid

@hearty nebula how much cleave do you get with that assail node?

[hearty nebula]

dunno but you don't really need the assail cleave since it aims for heads anyways, which most enemies don't have armor on

[misty nova]

Base 2 targets
Ethereal Shards 3 targets

[plucky gate]

okay then i have 1 small nitpick.

In havoc, a 3rd +15 toughness node brings you from 60 -> 75 toughness, a 25% increase.
Scriers TDR node gives you 20% dr, which is also a 25% effective toughness increase.
See where i'm going with this?

[mighty root]

What about warp splitting?

How much does it increase if by?

I used to not even run dd but it’s too good to run with melee psyker

[solar gorge]

how do i beat havoc 1

[misty nova]

Iirc if your peril is above 0 it adds 1 extra target
Then it scales up to 7 targets
We had a table somewhere

[mighty root]

Idk

[solar gorge]

send help

[plucky gate]

idk i've never beaten it

[sterile stone]

@nimble fiber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QaJX1FtpA

[mighty root]

So it’s up to 10 targets or a max of 7?

[misty nova]

Seems like you need Ethereal Shards and EP

[mighty root]

So just with es and ws you only hit 4

And that’s at max peril?

[misty nova]

With ES and WS above 50% peril you hit 5

[mighty root]

That’s not bad then

[solemn cliff]

EP assail is pretty solid even in havocs. You just need to not be running bubble for it to feel good. Both DD and Shriek feel better with it. Bubble feels like it demands warp charges for up time in higher havocs.

[mighty root]

@hearty nebula this seems silly but how needed is dd with melee psyker?

[plucky gate]

very

[mighty root]

I figured

[hearty nebula]

yes

[solemn cliff]

Hordes are dense enough that the extra cleave can actually matter in terms of blunting a horde, and more assails hitting more enemies is never bad.

And yeah. You very much feel the difference with DD stacks in melee with the fgs. I'm not as sure with DS4, but I imagine it is, too.

[grizzled aspen]

Im not sure this math exactly checks out, what with havoc reducing toughness and all that.

@sterile basalt do you have the math for hp and toughness reductions in havoc?

[mighty root]

Arrrhhhh give me 5 more talent points fat shark it would be so funny

[sterile basalt]

health -35% (additive with other +%health effects)
base toughness -45 (additive with talent tree +toughness nodes, multiplicative with +%toughness effects)

[grizzled aspen]

Thanks, king

[plucky gate]

Havoc reducing toughness is exactly why this math works. It actually doesn't work outside of havoc.
Havoc toughness reduction is a flat -45 base toughness, multiplicative with curios the same way as your actual base and tree toughness is.
Psykers have base 75 and will always path through 2x +15 nodes to reach keystone.
So a normal build with 2 nodes is 75-45+2(15) = 60 toughness
Grabbing a 3rd node brings it to 75, increasing your effective toughness by 25%

[sterile basalt]

it does check out
psyker base 75 (after most recent buff)
2 toughness nodes = +30
3rd toughness node = +45
havoc max reduction -45
so you're back at 75 base
whereas without that 3rd toughness u have 60 (pre-buff value)
75 is 1.25x of 60

[plucky gate]

also actual proof that it is multiplicative with curios, functioning exactly like tree and base
#psyker-class message

[solemn cliff]

That explains why so many psykers have less toughness than I do, lol. Like 60 seems like a common number to run across. Or like 65.

[grizzled aspen]

Interesting, so toughness is a flat 45 and not a percentage?

[plucky gate]

yup

[sterile basalt]

yes
ogryn gets 5 base toughness in havoc (50 base -45)

[plucky gate]

lmao
i didn't realize how low their base was. I guess they're carried by the big 25 toughness nodes in tree

[grizzled aspen]

5/5 toughness is still 100% hp protection.

[nimble fiber]

https://youtu.be/b3T4b3GCRk4?feature=shared

[spare dome]

and innate 20% TDR doesn't hurt either

[obsidian ore]

and %20 DR, ogryn when played good is a brickhouse

(also built good)

[misty nova]

5 tg means it's easier to replenish

[obsidian ore]

1 toughness per heavy attack KEKW

[misty nova]

[obsidian ore]

Perfect for gamers who want to experience vermintide 2 without playing vermintide 2

[spare dome]

with a born leader veteran you'd almost prefer to have as little toughness as possible tbh

[obsidian ore]

There's a limit to how low you would go even with that tho.
Since shooters will always chain hit you

[solar gorge]

1 input full temp health

good times

[copper hawk]

9

New fav gif

[hearty nebula]

yes

[nimble fiber]

bro immediately turned red out of anger

[remote lark]

why did he turn fucking red 💀

[opaque island]

are you yanking my pizzle?

[sullen forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066122869509201961/1316216965865410630/image0.gif

[ornate bone]

what race of chicken is that

[mighty root]

DAMM

[opaque island]

all leg\

[mighty root]

@hearty nebula final question how good it warp splitting in the mk 5 ds?

[tawdry leaf]

nice names

[hearty nebula]

idk i don't use drooling sword

[mighty root]

Oh mah GAH

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/osaka-azumanga-daioh-angry-oh-my-god-oh-my-gah-gif-26425247

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

@remote lark I call upon you to test for me

[hearty nebula]

upon

[mighty root]

[hearty nebula]

average fyre moment

[mighty root]

Be nice to me

[signal spoke]

Doudou silly moment

[hearty nebula]

real

[grizzled aspen]

Rage. Wrath, even.

[remote lark]

probably need it to hit oneshots on bulwarks/crushers unless you have scriers / dd
can't test rn

psyker ds probably can'at oneshot a crusher actually

[plucky gate]

i bet it could with extreme buffs
psyker has a lot of them

[mighty root]

Now I’m debating between warp speed or warp splitting

[remote lark]

if assail take warp splitting

[mighty root]

True but the moblity from warp speed is good

[plucky gate]

there isn't anything else you can give up?

[mighty root]

Should I drop endurance?

[plucky gate]

yeah

I did point out earlier that it's just worse than a 3rd 15 toughness node
and people don't even grab that most of the time

[mighty root]

I’m guessing it’s not worth it because I already have one with the warp

[mighty root]

Yeah I see now

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4423cc-e20d-4015-a037-f57a167b4bce/my-melee-psyker

[grizzled aspen]

It can with scriers.

[mighty root]

Here we go

[wary timber]

Oh geez thats awkward because my melee psykers be weird

[lean cairn]

can i join

[mighty root]

Show the build

[grizzled aspen]

@copper hawk war thunder moment.

[misty helm]

"do you have any Ibuprofen?"

[acoustic dune]

be playing helldiver the 2
pickup stuff
get krilled
blud couldnt ask to get hit stuff back
emote kick him
shoot to me to kill
i explode him
get kick for it
blud why are gamer stinky

[acoustic dune]

who tf is playing naval combat

[hearty nebula]

i am incredibly petty when it comes to teamkillers in hd2

there is one rule:
do not touch my fucking jump pack

[acoustic dune]

blud cant ask for his stuff back

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-gif-10290761239041307136

[hearty nebula]

true

like i could've
but he literally shot me with a fucking autocannon to steal it from me outta the blue and he didn't even bother asking me to drop one

the time for pleasantries has passed

[misty helm]

https://tenor.com/view/new-vegas-god-fallout-we-cant-expect-god-to-do-all-the-work-gif-21038212

[hearty nebula]

exactly

[violet hornet]

Only time I've deliberately teamkilled in hd2 was when some jackass killed me and picked up my stuff right away. Ofc he still has the gall to act surprised when I immediately killed him on spawn to get my shit back

[acoustic dune]

brother i walk to you and give you a kick and he try to explode me immediatly

i threw too much mines strategem down

[solar gorge]

ppl hate it when they have to open their eyes

[acoustic dune]

i did say becareful

[violet hornet]

Lil friendly boot never hurt anyone

[misty helm]

or they play with Bloom off, since that makes the difference between mines being obvious and invisible

[acoustic dune]

i was kicking him back bc he exploded me

[misty nova]

The ground is speaking explosivenese

[mighty root]

@acoustic dune we should play when I get home

[tawdry leaf]

very saintly name

[solar gorge]

i mean, i still see the reds dots in the right pic

[copper hawk]

wtf shell is that

[acoustic dune]

ok bb

[modern lintel]

naval

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-naval-ships-war-thunder-gif-24371624

[modern lintel]

id have to kill myself before playing naval

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/kamiton-gif-25492815

Theory crafting getting freaky?

Oiled up slabs?

[violet hornet]

Lol I didn't know this, no wonder my crew can never see them

[grizzled aspen]

The kind that knocks your gunner unconscious.

[copper hawk]

@frosty herald is there any way to make heavy stance hold and not toggle in sm2 ?

[frosty herald]

Iunno

[misty helm]

yes

[copper hawk]

Damn, just wanted it for heavy stance :p thanks though

Ill have to rebind it closer to my left hand cuz i have small hands

[grizzled aspen]

Little baby hands...

[placid fiber]

idk what heavy stance is, but, it makes me think of an ogryn

[frozen kernel]

Toggle aim in anything other than Arma

[frozen kernel]

Cica pls

[tidal berry]

aeugh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-gif-21702784

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/jJHeLYxekalQiBCgC?invite=cr-MSw2ZlAsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[acoustic dune]

blud the charger fast walk and run over me

[heady rapids]

me: does 6 ops with 6 classes
the humble shitty 3rd party website:

[fathom barn]

sorry to reply to an old pin, but I do see the guide was updated a month ago. still good? looking through history and it seems like mk15 beats mk3 in most cases

oh, I guess it didn't reply

[hard nexus]

idk what pin ur talking about but

mk3 evis is bad

mk15 is better in almost all situations

and relic blade is better than both in all situations except captain damage

i love mk3 evis but it is not good

[fathom barn]

It's a pin on 11/25/2023 - "Zoe evis build"

I was linked a mk15 build here earlier, I'll keep using that one

[hard nexus]

it’s a pretty outdated build, i can give you a better evis build if you’d like

either mk15 or mk3

[fathom barn]

yes please

[hard nexus]

which mk evis would you like?

[fathom barn]

mk15 feels better and if folks are saying it's simply better then I prefer that one

I guess I'd consider mk3 if there's a totally diff talent build that's worth experimenting with

[hard nexus]

well ur in luck

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis dump mobility

[remote lark]

mk3 smelly

i think mk3 is more fun than the mk15 i wish it was better and didn't make me sad when i use it

[hard nexus]

mk15 evis, this build is meant to spam revved attacks (rev L1 for hordes, revved crit heavies will one shot crushers), loses out a bit against elites packs of like shotgunners and gunners

alternatively swap bloodthirsty for shred and play normally

[remote lark]

rev l1 for hordes sounds silly

[fathom barn]

here it is ,I was also using this one

[remote lark]

they all work

[heady rapids]

OK IT IS NOW 3 WOOHOO
MAYBE IN 6 HOURS FROM NOW ITS GONNA GIVE ME THE HELMET

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iE9WgDUtBK69iLof4/d13372XcZ2go?invite=cr-MSxCQ3ksMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[remote lark]

the rock music rlly completes that clip

[fathom barn]

what is yr preferred ranged weapons on the mk3 and mk15 builds

[sullen forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bevws2UDtpw

Meow listening to peak

[rough galleon]

Let's fucking go they extended my covid isolation again I'm going to smear shit on the walls

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-slime-slime-elmo-gif-26567716

[rough galleon]

Yeah bro it's five days from Sunday, so Friday you're fine
Well it'll be Friday or saturday
So midnight the beginning of saturday
Well actually midnight sunday
And then one nurse said midnight tomorrow night but I think she meant midnight calendar tomorrow, tonight

[hearty nebula]

real, one of my favorite tracks ngl

[rough galleon]

I'm not feeling visitors but I would also kill and/or die to have someone bring me a zinger box for lunch cause today's menu is looking grim

[hearty nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3-t5ZFbjRU this is one of my other top picks from that ost @sullen forge

idk why the youtube version is using the shitty quality version where the mixing is absolutely thrashed tho

usually they don't do that

[hard nexus]

i usually run bolter, but really any would work

[sullen forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YAHQQQkcQ&list=PLsmhANoEf1qUifoSdCHh0vQ2PrZGOIbsP&index=10 My all time favorite next to Dead Flowers, and The Gift

[hearty nebula]

pareidolia is also a great pick

[hard nexus]

archangel though….

[sullen forge]

Never was a fan but I respect people who like it

Just cause Origins as a map is fun

[hard nexus]

druuuuummmmssssss

[sullen forge]

Coming Home?

[hard nexus]

what

[hard nexus]

ohg i don’t like that song because i don’t like the vocals

[sullen forge]

https://youtu.be/8CbpYqBJ9T8?si=FXnXiKVejOZhCkUW

[hard nexus]

the drums r really good but those vocals are NOT for me

[sullen forge]

Instrumental is good, vocals could be better

[hard nexus]

i just don’t like scream-y vocals like that in general, it’s why it’s so hard for me to find metal/metalcore songs that i actually like

[sullen forge]

Me who enjoys the more somber ones like Dead Flowers, Where are we going (2018), and Can you hear me now?

[grizzled aspen]

Dead Flowers, like Demon Hunter?

[grizzled aspen]

Valid crashout tbh.

[placid fiber]

big yawn

[slate haven]

Darktide dead game, sigh

[sullen forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAPJ_MdvIE

This

[stone fern]

new update soon!!!

[sullen forge]

I'd say probably April if we're going by the pattern we had last year

Handful more hotfixes before they start showing off stuff

[stone fern]

nah march

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[sullen forge]

Ehhh... If its a small update maybe, but if its a new map + weapons other than what they said of "Vets getting a new weapon" its not happening till April or May

Watch as the new weapon is literally just a singular Mark for one of Veterans already existing weapons LMAO

[violet hornet]

Shovel, now with l1 and l2 swapped

[sullen forge]

Plasma gun! Except its just a worse variant than the stock one!

so why bother!

[stone fern]

im thinking maybe a few talent changes and like 2 new marks

[rough galleon]

Obviously it's the mythical fourth helbore that's just a slightly different charge rate

[stone fern]

damn.... vet is saved....

[sullen forge]

As much as I'd like a new gun, I'd prefer we get a new melee first

[rough galleon]

And a reduction to the krakk kills penance that will only be visual, and be unchanged behind the scenes

[sullen forge]

but I wont complain a new weapon is a new weapon

[stone fern]

if you hate that dont look at ogryn

[rough galleon]

Look the penance rewards are nice and all but I'm happy to get them a year late when they add more penances, I did all the zealot ones and most of the psyker's, that'll do me

And died to the fan as much as I pushed enemies into it

[stone fern]

well get something small by the end of this month or middle of next

[rough galleon]

A new horde clear focused power sword mark

[stone fern]

its called heavy sword

[misty nova]

I mean mk3 perfect heavies are right there

[misty ravine]

Power Dueling Sword

[stone fern]

power ||___axe||

just think about it rashad but more op

[rough galleon]

Rashad but instead of BM you have to activate, no cycler blessing

[misty ravine]

I guess since Veteran will probably never get a 2-handed melee it could well be a Power Axe, if it's a new type of weapon and not just a new mark

[grizzled aspen]

Imagine if we get a plasma gun that's like a grenade launcher.

[rough galleon]

Kruber continues to weep over what was lost

[misty ravine]

Or an actual grenade launcher, classic Guard weapon

Also kind of wonder how they'll implement the Melta Gun (if they ever get around to it). Instantaneous beam, sustained beam, and Energy Shotgun have all been done in various video games

[stone fern]

im thinking energy shotgun

melta has a long history of being broken even in tabletop so tbh id be ok with not getting it

[misty ravine]

Veterans are notorious for Melta Gun drive-bys from Chimeras

[rough galleon]

Would be a good niche for it
Rending recon is kind of sustained beam right
And we've got lots of hitscan stuff, but a proper non pellet based cone of fuck you would be dope, a la space marine 1 or rogue trader crpg

I wanna see ogryn's weapons get a balance pass at least too
Just to shake it all up and bring some stuff up to par, even if they still have fewer toys they can have a brand new shiny version of an old toy

And in exchange remove gunlugger's ability to pick up or spend ammo or have a ranged weapon equipped

[hard nexus]

new anti armor ranged when please (melta)

[grizzled aspen]

Helped my brother install his new gpu. He was swearing up and down that the release lever goes up to release the old gpu. It did not go up to release the old gpu.

[opaque island]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605890709953970183/1342631547768934431/RDT_20250218_123032.mp4

[grizzled aspen]

I pushed it down and pulled it right out in the 2 seconds I was next to the computer, left it sitting on top of the heat sink, and walked away while he watched a video on how to get it out.

[grizzled aspen]

Sustained beam of anti carapace "fuck you" would be so fucking sick.

[sullen forge]

If it has a Arcing projectile mechanic I might have to put my Plasma hate down for a moment

[grizzled aspen]

That's what I'm saying man it would be so good but probably also so broken.

[sullen forge]

The demoman player in me would come out

Heavy sword + Arcing Plasma...

[grizzled aspen]

Calculating a perfectly arced shot to instantly blow up the poxburster the smiteker is about to push:

[opaque island]

demoman was the first thing i thought of too

[opaque island]

using that brainpower for the important things

[misty ravine]

Honestly at this point they might as well change the current Plasma's secondary fire to lob a blob for an AOE attack because there doesn't seem to be much use for the current charge attack

[grizzled aspen]

I mean, I can do that with a tknife anyway, it's not like it's very hard, but the bm remains that I wasted a plasma shot on it.

[sullen forge]

They've been trying so hard to make Secondary have a use and its just literally only for extra suppression, its depressing

Personally the extremely rare times I run Plasma I use Secondary solely to heat up the gun for more damage with Gets Hot

[copper hawk]

That'd be cool, like in sm2 w the incinerators

Reminds me i have to grind sm2 graaaaah

[sullen forge]

Ditto, Need the free helmets

[median steeple]

is the space marine event out

I've been playing too much KCD2 and Marbel to try it out

[grizzled aspen]

The only time I rmb with plasma is to oneshot reapers.

[copper hawk]

Yah

[median steeple]

hooray

[misty nova]

"Stay out of treble"
My honest reaction

Dead Island 2 might have peak unserious

[rough edge]

no fucking way

[plush estuary]

its funny when people dont want to do twins with me because "we NEED a full team"

[spare talon]

Lol

[plush estuary]

this is like the 20th time

[ornate bone]

Uh oh, big problems with my PC. Guess no darktide today

[plush estuary]

is it the PC or just darktide as usual

would not be surprised, its running alot worse recently

[ornate bone]

PC, gaming monitor went dark and the other monitor froze.

[plush estuary]

ah, that would do it

Good luck with that, that sounds annoying

[sullen forge]

Look I knew the game was fucking hilarious the moment I made a Pickaxe have an actual chain reaction off of landing a heavy hit and causing every single zombie nearby to fucking burst into flames and then explode furthering the chain

[misty nova]

I knew it was peak when you can dropkick zombies with a character that has a prosthetic leg

[plush estuary]

3 bolters,so no bosses for me

[misty nova]

Mmmmmmm

[plush estuary]

this is a real ranged weapon

[hearty nebula]

real

youtube recommened me some screamo shit and im just like

"wow this sounds like fucking dogshit" because you can't hear fucking anything underneath the vocals. that genre's staple is ass audio mixing

[hard nexus]

artyom!!!

[misty nova]

Jarvis, fry their vocals

After frying their vocals, make them scream

[mighty root]

Is that the middle build

[grizzled aspen]

Why autopistol...

[misty nova]

https://youtu.be/820_UcvDh3U?si=iwUsHPhXWPuVN-uq

[plush estuary]

its perfect for people that dont crutch on ranged weapons

[grizzled aspen]

Are you implying that using anything other than autopistol is a crutch?

[plush estuary]

bolter in particular for this context

[misty nova]

Real gamers use laspistol mk10s push

[median steeple]

I lobe the METRO series

[royal vortex]

artyom wouldn't say that

[violet hornet]

tossing a burster away with it is up there with using the shitty "I'm holding a canister" push to do the same

[misty nova]

Real
Artyom would just send a missile strike

[fleet zealot]

using a shock maul autopistol loadout with martyrdom and stun nade pathing so i'm being ethical

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[fleet zealot]

no cdr

[hard nexus]

play signalis

[spare talon]

Yeah I made a new vet

[frosty herald]

artyom and the indominable human spirit

[plush estuary]

@hard nexus Do you mind sharing your build, sorta wanna try evis, its been awhile

[hard nexus]

dump mobility

[misty nova]

https://youtu.be/foW5gEI3nJI?si=NEKKtuEPio3htvCh

[plush estuary]

thank you

[hard nexus]

let me know how u feel with it !

[plush estuary]

its been awhile since I used chain weapons

[grizzled aspen]

Frog has eaten at least 3lbs of meat, rice, and peppers. Going to explode now.

[plush estuary]

isnt there fury tec with the shredder?

[misty nova]

Yup
Rev-hit-dash right after the hit

[plush estuary]

and what does that do differently then fury into shredder

[fleet zealot]

full value vs partial value

[grizzled aspen]

Chastise then hit only makes the initial hit get the crit and rending, chastising after the initial hit gives your saw ticks rending, makes them crit, and preserves the crit and rending for your next attack.

Iirc.

Idk I'm tired asf and waiting for my body to realize I can finally go to sleep for longer than four hours at a time.

[hard nexus]

alongside having one extra attack that maintains the rending, (with mk3 evis, this is nice, as L1 with rending and damage buff does about half of a crusher to the head (though you still get more total damage from a saw, just slower))

basically the trick lets you deal significantly more boss damage and one shot ogryns

also with mk3 evis, h2 is useless, don’t bother with it

[violet hornet]

this dude knew he was in for some shit

[real sonnet]

Dude 250 PING ZEALOT in havoc 40 made me wanna kms 😭

thank god we won otherwise I would've crashed out

[hard nexus]

MISTER E??!!?!?

[real sonnet]

a, yeah, he was streaming apparently

[hard nexus]

abysmal dogshit spotted

[real sonnet]

he was running smiter, I think he was running the most recent build he uploaded to youtube

[hard nexus]

lmfao of course

[real sonnet]

what's wrong with mr e awa

[tawny walrus]

Probably doesn't like cats

[hard nexus]

he’s bad, his advice is usually terrible, and he sucks

[real sonnet]

I mean he didn't do bad in our havoc mission so I'm happy with that

[hard nexus]

relative to average players he’s good, but he’s not good enough to be giving out advice the way he does in my little opinion

[plush estuary]

@hard nexus was fun

also had a smite psyker saying that he should smite more so he could "carry more" so we told him that lower difficulty is free to go to

[hard nexus]

LOL

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis my beloved

[plush estuary]

hi

[misty ravine]

I didn't want to smite more to carry more, I was literally just embarrassed at going down so much

[plush estuary]

its fine if you go down, respawn station are a thing

[misty ravine]

Really ought not to be by now

[plush estuary]

if you need to learn how to get around by not using smite, there is lower stakes difficulty

I know people with more than 2k hours that dont know the basics and would benefit from playing lower difficulty

[plush estuary]

pup

[spare talon]

Meeeeeee

[plush estuary]

Smite is where I stop at, it ruins the entire mission for me

[hard nexus]

yeah ur hard stuck malice lil bro, i smurf ur peaks

[fleet zealot]

wrong, fatshark should enable a playstyle for me to win the hardest difficulties with 0 effort for the sake of my fun

[mighty root]

Why do we hate mister e?

[hard nexus]

running smite psyker isn’t gonna help u get better :(

[mighty root]

Who even is he?

[hard nexus]

he’s stupid, mediocre, and bad

he’s a youtuber

[spare talon]

Why would I play above malice tho, it's artificial difficulty
Speaking of, ogryn is too op in malice so I'm telling the devs to nerf him

[mighty root]

Holy peak? I wanna be like him

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[plush estuary]

@misty ravine It was a fine mission, dont feel bad about going down. 1: its a video game, who actually cares, and if someone does then they should do something else with their life. 2: its fatshark, there is plenty of bugs anda dumb features. 3: we didnt lose, and it didnt matter to me

[hard nexus]

artificial difficulty haters when i show them darktide: (ash baby gif here)

[plush estuary]

ggs though

[spare talon]

Like he literally has an extra wound, for free, that's literally freeing up an otherwise mandatory curio slot
How can anyone not consider that unbalanced

[fleet zealot]

this but unironically

ogryn learning curve starts out so much easier than other classes and then it has a sudden cliff

[hard nexus]

and they just get free damage from heavy attacking enemies?? or free TDR from existing????? TDR is mandatory on malice, yet ogryn just gets it for walking around? broken ass class

[fleet zealot]

they are basically immune to any punishment the lower difficulties can throw out and they aren't encouraged to learn the proper mechanics

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[fleet zealot]

meanwhile even in lower difficulties, leveling a psyker or vet (zealot kinda in the middle with this this one) you are going to have to learn mechanics much earlier, but that's BETTER

[fleet zealot]

because i hate youtubers

a metric ton of ogryns hit damnation, get melted by shooters and trash hordes and probably everything else and then go and complain about how weak their class is

I saw someone say the kickback is a "mid" weapon, the FUCKING kickback i'm sorry what level of insanity are you on, what substances are you taking.

[rough edge]

kickback is the 'shotgun'?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966

bait or not that is the best response you could have with that name

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[plush estuary]

real

[rough galleon]

What do you mean I can't just facetank in the skill expression game

[rough edge]

I actually don't remember 😭 I am an IRL ogryn please

[mighty root]

The consequences of Mr e

[rough edge]

All I remember is one of the ogryn guns is like a cannon shotgun and it gets surgical 😔

[spare talon]

Technically I'm a youtuber
Wtf why do you hate me

[fleet zealot]

Like i can agree that ogryn is limited in builds and viable options

[hard nexus]

kick back is the shotgun yah

[fleet zealot]

ur an exception cause you are a private discord elitist obv

[rough edge]

YIPPEE, I love the kickback! :D

[hard nexus]

am i an elitist…

[rough edge]

it makes the funny specalists go bye bye

[fleet zealot]

but in havoc, everyone is limited in builds anyways so that's just a game issue not a class issue

[delicate shadow]

all my Ws are organic free range difficulty and all my Ls are artificial difficulty

[royal vortex]

[fleet zealot]

like sure, they need their bottomline buffed and more talent pathing variety but god damn I hate seeing the class that has the karsolas, shield and kickback complain 24/7

cause they can't position their character in a good spot to save their rations

[spare talon]

Enemies spawn, so sick of this bullshit artificial difficulty

[fleet zealot]

have you ever been called out on another platform for your discord behavior?

[rough edge]

I just think Ogryn should get some more weapons :)

if I die, its cause I was standing out in the open like a grottin' idiot

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma985-jeremy-elbertson-himbo-unedited-andy-so-true-gif-24753125

[hard nexus]

no what happened with cole

[fleet zealot]

artificial difficulty is my favorite (i hate it) new buzzword

[fleet zealot]

like how you don't even ask what happened with me 😔 /joke

[hard nexus]

it’s really only an applicable term in games like the division, where the difficulty is literally just more health and that’s it

[fleet zealot]

hp and damage up? artificial difficulty. Enemies smarter and new special effects? artificial difficulty

[spare talon]

Have i?????

[hard nexus]

i thought u were saying that happened with cole

but what happened with you??

[rough edge]

I also do think its unfair ogryn get slowed down when readying a heavy attack

[mighty root]

This is the funniest thing ever

[fleet zealot]

like, anyone referencing you in a youtube video in a negative light, I know you got reddit praise before, but even steam forums

[spare talon]

Now post the jerma mirror gif

[spare talon]

I don't know if that's happened tho
I don't think I'm notable in the overall community for that

[delicate shadow]

here's the thing right, actual artificial difficulty would be the game forcing your controls to invert at random times and your sensitivity to change between every input

what I'm saying is that's what havoc 50 should be

[hard nexus]

i’m hungry

[rough edge]

Me too. I need my rashuns

[mighty root]

What title do you get for a flawless run?

[hard nexus]

you ever play helldivers 1?

[tropic pelican]

live sound boundary fuckery to make it so you sometimes can hear nothing or everything like it's right next to you

[heady rapids]

you get to be free and darktide uninstalls itself

[delicate shadow]

nothing, just a DM containing the numbers for your local mental health helpline

[visual stream]

Artificial difficulty is an actually good term but only when it's used right about boring ass stat check only games

[mighty root]

Fatshark has my personal number?

[delicate shadow]

I have not

[drowsy steppe]

the true endgame. Being fucked over by the devs deliberately

[mighty root]

I better give them access to my bank account too

[fleet zealot]

latest, forca/forpa whatever his name was who i kept bringing up the fact he had numerous screenshots of him asking to pay for carries and for DT cheats. As well as many accounts to ban evade either other discord servers or discord wide bans

earliest, i was listed in a youtube video for a single response to a guy who came in here alongside other discord members, said lacerate knife was the best thing ever, everyone told him no, and then the chat just spent an hour politely talking to ourselves about the knife meta and apparently that was really mean of us to do to him (we basically moved past him completely)

[mighty root]

How about a game mode of devs vs the players?

I’d think that would be cool

[hard nexus]

hd1 illuminate fired balls of energy that if they hit you, inverted all of your controls for like 5ish seconds

the highest tier unit would fire them out in sets of 6 all around, and they homed in

[copper hawk]

Hehe.. ballz .. she said ballz guyz..

[visual stream]

Tbf it was only the moving and shooting that it inverted IIRC, so that was actually kinda fun to engage with

[rough edge]

I like lacerate :) but I just like it even if it isn't the best choice :)

Ruthless Backstab is my favorite

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butthead-beavis-butthead-bnb-laughing-gif-27525805

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/roaches-funne-games-megamind-meme-ironic-gif-24191984

[delicate shadow]

ah ok, roboquest has enemies that can do that to ya but they're pretty avoidable

[visual stream]

You need to mute your discord pings, the horde is coming

[grizzled aspen]

Can I double it and give it to the next guy?

[copper hawk]

A Tribe Called Quest

[delicate shadow]

(and roboquest is generally rather easy)

[flint imp]

Make toxic gas make your screen get blurrier the longer u stay in it

[hard nexus]

frown tuah

[fleet zealot]

banger

[rough edge]

Look man, if lacerate isn't good. I accept that fact. I just like it cause it gives me more bleed triggers

[copper hawk]

Hehe red strings

[plush estuary]

where is the bellcurve meme

[mighty root]

[tropic pelican]

your strat controls inverted too

[rough edge]

I am on the stupid side of the bell curve 😎

[spare talon]

@lusty turtle knows all about that

[lusty turtle]

real

they want me dead

[plush estuary]

real

[drowsy steppe]

real

[copper hawk]

fake

[hard nexus]

kale

[plush estuary]

gale

[sullen forge]

Havoc 50 they just have a pack of crushers that are just unable to die and are constantly chasing you

[drowsy steppe]

gaye

[hard nexus]

vt2 chaos wastes haunting modifier

[sullen forge]

one mistake instant death

[rough edge]

Look, my zealot with shroud ises Lacerate (for hordes so I can get the bleed on them for extra crit chance) and then Ruthless Backstab because its funny to get +100% rending when I backtab a crusher while invis

[sterile basalt]

ruthless backstab is ass

[mighty root]

Immortal rager that follows you around

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-edit-i-saw-what-you-edited-i-saw-gif-27672816

[plush estuary]

shroudfield user, opinion disregarded

[copper hawk]

Me w ur remainz

[rough edge]

but its cool. And the emprah said I was his bestest zealot and I should use it. he told me so directly when I was eating my rat soup

[grizzled aspen]

I want to do a havoc 40 challenge run where you're not allowed to kill bulwarks.

[mighty root]

The toilet build with the poop knife

[sullen forge]

That sounds like actual fucking hell

[lusty turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936802814305374219/1282550185381199913/isawyoudeletesomethingbutididntseewhatitwas.gif

[mighty root]

Try uncanny with flesh tearer

[rough edge]

your honor, I am not a loner zealot so I am actually cool and epic and the emprah said you can't be mean to me

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/xra-xavier-renegade-angel-shakashuri-desert-gif-4579236907242751298

[rough edge]

I have :) I like Ruthless backstab cause it gives me happy chemicals.

[mighty root]

[drowsy steppe]

I should warn you I smell bad

[rough edge]

I am willingly deciding to use Euthless Backstab

[fleet zealot]

LAIMU

[mighty root]

I love him…

[rough edge]

https://tenor.com/view/skulk-creep-gif-26295925

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/laimu-limealicious-vtuber-gif-613531365666402256

[fleet zealot]

ruthless doesn't buff your bleed damage uncanny does

[grizzled aspen]

There is only one real vtuber, and that is Pippa.

[copper hawk]

i love her model so much

[fleet zealot]

plus, your backstab out of stealth on crusher needs rending the least

[copper hawk]

it's so expressive

[plush estuary]

same

[rough edge]

I mean ruthless is awesome and cool though and it makes me feel like da emprahs sneakiest little guy :)

[grizzled aspen]

Iirc ruthless also has the janky actual "backstab zone" requirement and not just "stand in this angle relative to the enemy" requirement.

[fleet zealot]

lacerate is just worse flesh tearer, the 4 bleed stacks do not make up for damage loss for not hitting the head

[copper hawk]

i LIKE anime styled characters

[spare talon]

I unironically suggested a modifier that is just 1 immortal bulwark perma aggroed on each player the entire mission, they are also required to be in airlocks/elevators

[mighty root]

Can we add these as stickers wardens?

[fleet zealot]

and scourge will self sustain itself without lacerate

[rough edge]

you guys don't understand, I am willingly using lacerate and ruthless backstab of my own free will, there is no gun to my head and nurgle has not kidnapped my family and put them in the fart cloud of doom

[frosty herald]

Evil

[fleet zealot]

just for you hitting heads

[sullen forge]

I think a crusher is funnier where it just is very happy to swap agro so it just decides at random im going to cave your skull in today

[fleet zealot]

no that's going to be us with your family in 2-4 business days

[sterile stone]

Something like this in DRG already

[rough edge]

me when ruthless backstab

[spare talon]

I think bulwark is funnier cuz he's just a fucking nuisance and that's the entire point

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596235549920985105/1307238878641651732/gifsbut_-_1857660424805552300.gif

[sterile stone]

I can't imagine with how awful the attention span the average zealot player has they'd enjoy that modifier

[grizzled aspen]

I never want to hear another word about zealouts being freaky when psyker chat exists.

[fleet zealot]

but zealot chat is in slow mode smh

[rough edge]

the real important question Peet.

will flesh tearer give me more rashuns?

[mighty root]

The bulwark walking to its next victim

[misty ravine]

Where do you think zealot chat leaked to when the pressure built up faster than the slowmode could release

[copper hawk]

kill all spy mains.

[grizzled aspen]

Psykers have always been freakier.

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288198375765835799/1323754208666587146/darktideFreaks.gif

[grizzled aspen]

I'm gonna follow you around with cloak & dagger and spam taunt lines at you.

[rough edge]

I gotta know peet, this is important.

will the emprah give me more rashuns for using flesh tearer????

[grizzled aspen]

Live longer = more rashuns.
Flesh tearer = not live longer.

[rough edge]

so I should keep using lacerate, got it got it,

[grizzled aspen]

You should run precog riposte like normal people do.

[rough edge]

combat knife don't get that?

[mighty root]

⁉️

[grizzled aspen]

Combat knife does get those blessings, yes.

[rough edge]

oh wait guys. I might be stupid

[sterile stone]

Being here long enough makes most people feel that way

[rough edge]

Y'all gotta start talking to me like hadron speaks to all her little varlets

[misty ravine]

never understood the thirst for hadron tbh, even if she wasn't 90% metal she constantly fucked up my gear then told me I ought to be satisfied

[plush estuary]

@hard nexus mk3 feels nice, have anything for mk 15?

[rough edge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-goodness-gracious-oh-my-goodness-cat-funny-funny-cat-gif-13420237915563187242

[grizzled aspen]

Don't forget she's a decrepit, wrinkly old grandma.

[sterile stone]

People are degenerates.exe

[rough edge]

guys

I am keeping Backstab

cause how I tend to play with the knife, ruthless backstab is better for how I play.

[grizzled aspen]

Ruthless backstab is bad for a multitude of reasons, mainly because it's counterintuitive.

[rough edge]

yeah but it lets me instantly kill crushers from behind with da sneaky field

[grizzled aspen]

But if it's what you want to run, we can't stop you.

[fleet zealot]

hence why i stopped conversing

i can't legally stop you (yet, we are lobbying as we speak) so i'm just going to get ready for bed

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1342577028745924660/IMG_2110.gif

[rough edge]

I can see whyUncanny is better in like 99% of cases

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1342577028745924660/IMG_2110.gif?ex=67ba23cb&is=67b8d24b&hm=dbe80bafa284a130552840a6e0cd4b81d1bde4d6f801e86031033893ac142e31&

[rough edge]

Just with how I tend to play shroudfield, I think Uncanny is better in this niche case :)

[mighty root]

You should try fury

[rough edge]

but I like judgement :(

[grizzled aspen]

Do me a favor, @rough edge , go swap ruthless to uncanny, stack up uncanny in the psykhanium, and then stab the full health crusher in the face with Shroudfield active.

[mighty root]

[grizzled aspen]

(You'll kill it, btw)

[rough edge]

just did, heavy attack, damnation, 5 stacks of uncanny, with shroud. it did 2.4k

I do have the +25% against carapace armoured too.

[mighty root]

@rough edge https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0f505b-111f-48a6-b4a5-2e8c1e22025d/zealot-knife-build-3

[real sonnet]

ALMOST DID A NO HIT HAVOC 40 NOOOOOOOOOOO

[hard nexus]

spam revved attacks for everything except shotgunner/gunner packs, you one shot crushers on crit rev

or run shred rampage for standard gameplay

[charred grotto]

Mk III heavy evisc or MK XV heavy evisc?

[hard nexus]

mk15 is better, mk3 is more fun

[rough edge]

Any other modifiers I am missing?

[charred grotto]

oh someone just asked this exact question lmao

[grizzled aspen]

What keystone are you running?

[rough edge]

Judgement.

[charred grotto]

Honestly tho I tried both, and for me the mk15 is more fu

[misty nova]

(she's not even hot, it's just that some people will just simp for any woman)

[grizzled aspen]

You had 15 stacks of IJ?

[ornate bone]

God damn it boys, the machine god is not blessing me..

[rough edge]

I should have yeah. I will retest to be certain

[mighty root]

Holy shit

[fleet zealot]

that's, not good

[ornate bone]

I don't know where to start with this, to be honest.

[mighty root]

Dawg your pc is screaming for help check your power supply

[rough edge]

yep

15 stacks of judgement
heavy attack
Shroudfield
5 stacks of uncanny
+25% dmg to carapace
Directly to the head

no kill

[ornate bone]

I JUST BOUGHT A NEW ONE 4 MONTHS AGO

[mighty root]

Try there, kernel power can be like 30 things

[fleet zealot]

oh and no touching the power supply directly cause it can hold charge right

[mighty root]

This chuddie didn’t build it, uhhhh is there a warranty on it or a local repair shop?

[rough edge]

Hitting around 2.1 k damage in Damnation mode.

[fleet zealot]

like it's like the microwave part

[ornate bone]

I-.. I built my own computer. I didn't build my power supply

My power supply died 4 months ago

[fleet zealot]

is your voltage high enough for all your parts and if so, have you had any sudden shutdowns/power outages

[copper hawk]

sludgenation

[mighty root]

Ok awesome? Uhhhh Idk it can be a lot of things hmmm

[rough edge]

does it work on not damnation??

[sterile stone]

And here I was thinking the PC turning into a IED was a meme

[mighty root]

Was that all the criticals?

[grizzled aspen]

I'm confused, you should be oneshotting with all those buffs.

[ornate bone]

Had a power outage but I have a BPS

[mighty root]

Gonna slime out

[grizzled aspen]

Maybe I need to revisit knife again...

[rough edge]

yeah I litterally don't think I could even be missing anything

[ornate bone]

criticals yes, errors no

[mighty root]

Possibly do to this

[fleet zealot]

mk3 or mk6

[mighty root]

What’s the bps looking like?

[grizzled aspen]

Mk3 and mk6 do the same damage on heavies iirc.

[rough edge]

MK3 for the Strikedown Heavy

[fleet zealot]

idk i'm too tired

[hard nexus]

you’ll one shot from the back for sure

[fleet zealot]

going to go dead sleep

[ornate bone]

just a cheap thing with a 10 minute battery life so my computer doesn't get cooked in said events

[mighty root]

That’s the only thing I could think of

[spare talon]

Are you accounting for duellist

[rough edge]

yes I one shot it from behind.

However, the thing is, Ruthless Backstab also does what I want without the set up.

[grizzled aspen]

Prob not.

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0f505b-111f-48a6-b4a5-2e8c1e22025d/zealot-knife-build-3 try this you get fury and judgment

[charred grotto]

I saw a build like this with heavy eviscerator, does it matter too much?

[rough edge]

I like shroudfield though man. like thats why I enjoy my current build :(

[grizzled aspen]

In my defense I am very eepy and I haven't managed to fall asleep yet.

[mighty root]

It’s an all rounder build

[charred grotto]

i just like having chorus

[rough edge]

Sadly, I can't really get Duellist because I have refused to go Loner

[mighty root]

If you run that then blazing piety would be good

[charred grotto]

wait let me send the build i found

[ornate bone]

I'm thinking power supply. Started occassionally and now it's more frequent.

[charred grotto]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87a97a-743c-401c-af75-b728d6efb97e/inquisitorial-preacher-immolation-grenade-chorus-of-spiritual-fortitude-blazing-piety

[fleet zealot]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA