zealot-class

[remote lark]

"he lands 6 hits on it"
and?

"the recording starts with the dh at 70% hp"
and?

"and he gets hit 3 times while a shield ogryn is planted tanking it"
and?
have you ever fought a dhost before?

[heady rapids]

oooh the heretics started a fire in the torrent

[sterile basalt]

ohh cool

[tame sluice]

may I never see a tox bomber again

[violet hornet]

Yes I been killing them for fun for ages despite playing with pubs

[heady rapids]

idk man call the fire dept what do you want me to do with it

[grizzled aspen]

It sounds like vent purge if it was fun.

[remote lark]

let me clarify my question
have you ever tried to kill it while a teammates tanking it

they have WILD hitboxes that push you away

[spare talon]

lines up with hunting grounds, vent purge, and lights out having unique dialogue at the start for the circumstance

[sterile basalt]

vent purge is super fun
if you're an exe stance veteran

same goes for lights out

[spare talon]

and its literally classified as "circumstance"

[heady rapids]

i mean you'll have these for havoc dont worry

[remote lark]

dhost hitboxes remind me of knife hitboxes

knife = same range as dueling sword

[violet hornet]

I never have a coordinated teammate that would do such a thing since I play with pubs

[spare talon]

or a double barrel WS knife vet

[sterile basalt]

maybe I got it confused with the burning enemies one

[violet hornet]

they typically dive off the nearest cliff when they aggro a dh

[heady rapids]

shambling pyres is contact damage hordes :))))))))))))))

[tame sluice]

I tried garden encroaches once, and holy fuck it is the worst modifier ever

marks enemies in green, and every SINGLE time you hit them you take corruption damage. If you apply a DoT to them you get chunked

[spare talon]

almost like thats why it isnt actually in rotation

[remote lark]

you'll notice them the most if you're desperately trying to save a stupid teammate who woke one up

dhosts are almost harder to fight that way then they are to solo them it's ridiculous

[heady rapids]

WHEN ARE WE GETTING THIS FATSHARK

[heady rapids]

mf ricochet in darktide.......

[remote lark]

it sounds like they tried to do that then just made the blight instead

[tame sluice]

yeah because you have to chase them while some idiot fails to dodge them completely

[heady rapids]

ok so uhh

[opaque island]

STOP RUNNING FROM THE DHOST SO I CAN FUCKING HIT IT GOD PLEASE

[tame sluice]

like bro DH attacks have huge range you ain't backstepping those what are you DOING

[heady rapids]

ember forces you into vigil station oblivium

[tame sluice]

you block the flurry, sidestep the single hits, and then die because a single poxwalker body blocks you

[sterile basalt]

this is so based (in nerfing psyker)

[spare talon]

IJ + knife/ds5:

[opaque island]

i get that its scary and it hurts, buti cant bonk it if you keep running from it

[heady rapids]

there is no special vo yet for it also

[remote lark]

i had a knifebro random in a game once who woke up a dhost then just turned and RAN for OVER FIVE MINUTES until he died then got mad at us for not "shooting it"

like dude do you even realize how hard that would be and how much ammo that would consume lmao

die

[violet hornet]

They will see me kill 2 DH in a row with the thammer and still run straight away from me when they wake up a third

[heady rapids]

what was the other map that mirrored vigil station?

[spare talon]

i soloed 3x daemonhosts at the same time in the psyk (0 ping environment so all attacks are functionally undodgable) with IJ and ds5

[opaque island]

"why didnt you kill the 3rd one like the 1st 2?"

[violet hornet]

that's kinda impressive ngl lol

[remote lark]

running fast enough makes the dhost spam spawn in front of your character so he just turned 90eg every time it spawned and went farther away from us until he had to use his fotf to turn around quickly

[tame sluice]

silo cluster

[remote lark]

if you go into psych and just dodge slide side to side on knife or ds it'll just spawn in your way over and over lmao

you don't above malice because heresy+ subtracts a wound

[sterile basalt]

get the +2 wounds talent and run 3 wound curios

[spare talon]

wound curios + 2 wound talent

[opaque island]

yea and theres a talent for 2 more

[remote lark]

theres a talent directly above the keystone that gives you 2 wounds

[spare talon]

you have 2 innately

[remote lark]

you can't have 7 missing wounds
but you can have 7 wounds

[violet hornet]

2 innate + 2 from talent + 3 from curios gives you 7 on heresy / damnation

[heady rapids]

no fire here tho

[remote lark]

you can't hit max martyrdom buff above malice

yo an ogryn or vet aura that gives everyone a wound would be a cool synergy lol

[opaque island]

big sad, honestly 4 martyrdom stacks is all you need for anything damnation and below

[remote lark]

i choose to believe every teammate that runs 3-5 wounds in my games is a secretly minmaxing matyrdom enjoyer

[spare talon]

would be a nightmare to implement
having wounds enter and exit your healthbar

[opaque island]

the extra is just nice to have

[remote lark]

fatshark when something is difficult:

[opaque island]

I honestly dont think thats something the game can actually do

ive never seen the healthbars adjust that way midgame, can it even happen? engine limitations and all that

[spare talon]

i mean
yeah
if something is difficult to create and implement, that takes way more time away from other things that are already planned to happen, so they wont do it

[violet hornet]

it would be totally unbalanced with the way beacon of purity currently works

[heady rapids]

ok nvm something is burning up there

[remote lark]

wounds are just divisions of your hp bar i don't think it would fuck with any game mechanics besides martyrdom
making something that includes +1 to a characters stat i don't thin kwould be difficult at all

[grizzled aspen]

@remote lark

[remote lark]

oooohhhhh that's true

[spare talon]

ive seen ideas that everyone thought were great be thrown out entirely because they didnt have the time/resources to do, so it just wasnt doable

[remote lark]

i'm not depressed enough let's hear some

[violet hornet]

I'd definitely take advantage of it if it worked that way at least

[opaque island]

thats what a good director is supposed to do afaik, keep people on track and focused, deciding what can be cut or not implemented

[heady rapids]

ok chat expect ember to drop early 2027 🔥

[spare talon]

ill have to think of an acceptable example that isnt for something i cant talk about

[opaque island]

I can actually feel my neurons activating when i eat spicy food

[plucky gate]

you're 60% corrupted and hour next wound is at 50%
beacon of purity heals you to 50%
wound aura walks up to you
your next wound is now instead 33%, beacon of purity heals you till you're only missing 33%
wound aura walks away
corruption aura can now heal you to full

[opaque island]

arent percentages fun

[heady rapids]

ok nvm you were right

[heady rapids]

but silo is BARELY on fire

[spare talon]

havoc doesnt remove any wounds

[fleet zealot]

okay i will play something here

[remote lark]

heresy and damnation remove 1 wound
you have 3 wounds by default
2 wounds above malice
havoc is considered damnation

[fleet zealot]

the torrent is literally soaked, high humidity, constant water everywhere, it makes sense if there isn't a TON of fire

[remote lark]

actually @spare talon is like havoc 1 considered malice lol

[spare talon]

4 wounds in sedition/uprising

[fleet zealot]

that amount of fire in the torrent is impressive for what the torrent is

[heady rapids]

what was the 3rd torrent map again

[remote lark]

never played those wouldn't know 🚬

[plucky gate]

havoc 10 and below is malice yes

[spare talon]

yes
it straight up is coded as malice

[fleet zealot]

silo cluster, vigil station, and magistrati

[remote lark]

.. so you get the wound? that's funny

[drowsy steppe]

huh is that a hidden map modifier

[plucky gate]

on havoc launch, they started us on havoc 10 instead of 16 for the first 2 hours
so i had to play 1 malice game

[spare talon]

when going from 1-40 prior to release, my hp had 3 wounds in 1-10

[fleet zealot]

also orthus offensive

[opaque island]

playing SM2 the operation where you use a train to nuke a hive city, gives you a real idea how big tertium actually is (I know its a different hive city)

[remote lark]

i maintain that havoc is fatsharks attempt at skill based matchmaking
otherwise that would never exist

[heady rapids]

let me try magistrati

[remote lark]

yes
7 wounds on any content above malice
8 wounds on malice
9 wounds on sedation/uprising

martyrdom maxes out at 8 wounds since you only get the buff when you're missing wounds of hp so you'd need to be missing 7 wounds

above malice if you're missing 7 wounds of hp you're uh
dead

[heady rapids]

ok yeah this one is also on fire

[spare talon]

martyrdom will always be 6 stacks max in heresy+ tho, cuz you still need hp in that last wound otherwise youd be dead

[remote lark]

i still think martyrs purpose needs to be changed to toughness gives (diminished) cdr

yes which means you'l lnever get martyrs full buff
it's still very strong though, martyr gives a fuckton of damage and damage reduction even at 6 stacks

[heady rapids]

idk i quite like the torrent no idea why they're burning it down

[opaque island]

I love my attack speed though

[remote lark]

personally i don't like that they did that on the torrent

the point of that mission is that the heretics are trying to poison the water, not cut off the supply by destroying it

just don't get hit :)

[heady rapids]

can also def feel the "roaming flamers" part....

[frozen kernel]

Why is it so orange wtf

[remote lark]

i don't reccomend martyrdom unless you're able to complete every game with like 100-300 damage taken or you'll just die on repeat and troll your team
it's a keystone that directly increases in strength with player skill

[heady rapids]

its on fire

[frozen kernel]

New event?

[remote lark]

we're getting new auric modifiers (or these are just unused ones idk)

[heady rapids]

dropping in 2027 yeah

[frozen kernel]

Next Week ™

[heady rapids]

what's bubonic bursters again

ah right extra bloated... gotcha

[remote lark]

the silent burster:

oh right @spare talon you might be able to answer this

are some areas of the map audio muted for the player???

I found a spot in dark communion the other day where all 3 bursters that came out of a hallway sequentially were completely silent

[grizzled aspen]

Slide while you run at them and you minimize damage taken.

[obsidian prairie]

Dodging like a mf

[remote lark]

better movement and +3 gunner resistance curio perks

[obsidian prairie]

And that, gunner res helps a lot

[fleet zealot]

clever

[heady rapids]

there's also a spot under the ruined house at the start of that other assassination map

[remote lark]

sliding makes you immune to bullets because yes

[fleet zealot]

using your moving options, dodging, sliding, sprinting. mostly sliding out of melee and dodging if you are preoccupied

[remote lark]

heavy attacking with most weapons gives you alot of momentum

so you opt generally for sprinting heavy for a split second -> slide to maintain speed

..... what weapon is this for and show me the rest of the tree

[heady rapids]

makes you thing that they tagged some places wrong as where you should not be hearing stuff from

[remote lark]

there's practically no weapons that can effectively take martyr and invoc t ogether without trolling
basically only weapons with shred

and thats what i think i see you pathing to on the left

oh my god a newbie that doesn't have an unbearable talent tree i'm gonna cry

[spare talon]

yes
that is absolutely a real thing

[heady rapids]

the humble piss explosion epidemic

feels like it makes them faster

[spare talon]

not entirely muted, but certain areas have coding that makes audio within their bounds sound like theyre through a solid object

so in action theyre effectively silent

[remote lark]

heat management makes you take 1.2s longer to cool down the sword and also reduces the amount of swings you can make before it blows up
mobility is the beter stat to dump but you can pick which you want heat management isn't teeerrrrible

also, drop the two nodes on the left and take the backstab cdr on the right.

Martyrdom has no crit sources.

[remote lark]

right before the dropdown into the tunnels and survival / guaranteed boss event in dark communion
directly before you enter that zone that has the 3 staircases leading to that dropdown
the doorway to enter that zone blocks all audio in it so if you're standing at the bottom of the brick stairs about to go into that area you can't hear anything about to jump at you around the corner

[heady rapids]

we'll have blight spreads for each color it seems

except this one spreads rage or some shit

[remote lark]

activate it 24/7 if theres more than like 3 enemies in front of you
no point in saving it lol you'll just kill and move through the map slower

never let it blow up though manually turn it off

with it being 60

i did some testing a while ago on this.

The difference between 60 and 80 mobility is like...

2% dodge distance? I think?
You also don't gain any dodges by going to 80.

extremely marginal.

I'd much rather be able to swing for longer and wait less time between charges than dodge 2% farther

Yeah the whole percentage stat system is very misleading.
Sometimes it gives you alot of numbers, sometimes it'll give you practically nothing.

here. like you did just now.

fatshark tooltips also lie to you alot

if you want dodging martyr dom is not the keystone for you

the one on the right actually also gives you dodge distance and cooldown reduction on your dodge

i'm a nerd and a loser its ok

when relic blade came out i made like 7 spreadsheets just to win an argument about which mark was better

don't even think about it

light spamming with the mkx is the best way to use the weapon either with martyrdom or preferably piety

[sterile basalt]

going from 60 to 80 mobility is usually for sprint speed bonus for medium weight melee weapons (5 dodges with ~equal to base dodge distance)

even if it'll be nerfed it'll prob still remain a good weapon purely for its popularity

[fleet zealot]

nah we are in powercreep era

[full nebula]

Some nerd got mad because nobody revived him during a shitstorm. Of course this guys using knife with Fleshtearer and Lacerate.

[tropic pelican]

the next weapon should be one of those stretchy sticky hands

[full nebula]

Look at me

[heady rapids]

ok for some reason they dont spawn for me in the normal games but do when i put it in havoc? weird

[remote lark]

wait why didn't i think of this am i fucking stupid

[full nebula]

I am the mutant now

[remote lark]

reginald takes martyrdom with relic in havoc 40 because it offers tdr AND damage

i was touting piety because of the tdr it offered even if it sacrifices a tiny bit of damage

i'm gonna start taking martyr now

[heady rapids]

yeah but marty also trades tdr cause you're dropping toughness

[remote lark]

ahhhh true

i wonder how much effective toughness you get from martyrdom vs a piety build

[full nebula]

The best part of nerds crying when they don't get up, is me having triple the kills of anyone else. And they still cry.

[remote lark]

assuming no stalwart for arguments sake and just enduring

ah wait it wouldn't matter enduring is broken

[heady rapids]

the humble contact damage poxwalkers

[remote lark]

mm but it would be more effective against getting shot in the back by that 1 stalker you missed

i don't really lose toughness in hordes anyway

[plucky gate]

martyr with like 5 wounds lost is insignifcantly more effective toughness than if you just had normal curios but with no tdr

[plucky gate]

One thing that might be off is that I don't know if the 10% tdr nodes are additive or multiplicative with martyrdom

[full nebula]

If anyone doesn't use Super Impact, you should.

[plucky gate]

someone said additive so if they are, martyrom is slightly even better

[limber trellis]

the tdr on martyrdom isn't why you pick martyrdom lmfao

[remote lark]

that's cool but it doesn't count in effective toughness given by enduring which is possible in almost every build even most IJ ones
you can only really get enduring uptime on melees with shred on martyrdom

[spare dome]

in havoc i find the loss of toughness curios to be a non-starter debate because even if you were to put 3x toughness and 3x toughness perks you'll be pushing maybe 120 total toughness which is ... barely enough to soak one entire poxwalker swing and 1/3rd of a single shooter volley

[remote lark]

true

the idea of sitting at like 1hp on a martyrdom builds still a little scary though lmao

[plucky gate]

That would be multiplicative with both anyways. Enduring faith is 2x effective toughness in both cases, so the percentage gap stays the same either way

[spare dome]

and most people are already (no matter what) running UD + HR, so why not get the disgusting bonuses martyrdom will provide while you're threading the needle

[remote lark]

no it's not because toughness damage reduction doesn't stack additively.

You'd get alot less from putting it on martyrdom.

[heady rapids]

unless you're running a class that's getting toughness mainly from nodes

[plucky gate]

the fact that it's multiplicative is why you multiply it the same way in both cases

[spare dome]

the shortest resposne here is that zealot and psyker do not care for additional toughness from curios at H40 because their base toughness, even with extra nodes pathed in, is abysmal

[remote lark]

an IJ build has no tdr other than its base tdr nodes.
you'd get a flat 50% dmg reduction

a martyrdom build has the tdr given to it by its subnodes.
you'd get much less than a 50% dmg reduction

[plucky gate]

Do i really have to explain multiplicative reductions again?

[remote lark]

i'm talking about the 'effective toughness' given to it

[spare dome]

also the martyrdom TDR is the only one that is additive with TDR travel nodes, unlike all other TDR sources, for some fucken reason

[remote lark]

you're saying here that a martyrdom build has around the same or slightly higher 'effective toughness' than a standard build

i'm saying you didn't include enduring into either of these options, which would be more effective on a standard build

a single trash shooter on havoc will oneshot you at full toughness in havoc 40 :)

[drifting wolf]

fire

[plucky gate]

It looks like it's giving less when you look at the total, but in terms of effective toughness, it's the same benefit.
Easier example to understand:
If you had 98% damage reduction and had a multiplicative 50% dr buff on top of it, it would go to 98% -> 99%. This seems like a 1% dr buff. It's "smaller", but you're still actually cutting damage in half. You went from 2% damage taken to 1% damage taken. The effective hp gain is still 2x, despite the raw percentage reduction being lower

[spare dome]

yea no matter how you add it it'll still be 50% increase to effective toughness, so it doesnt really matter if you include it or not

only the martyrdom toughness node avoids the issue of being multiplicative

[heady rapids]

dude i hate rare americans so much its not even funny at this point

[plucky gate]

you hate what

[heady rapids]

rare americans

[spare dome]

i also prefer medium rare

[violet hornet]

I think he prefers his americans medium rare at least

[heady rapids]

you know the band that made one song then remade it two more times and youtube is shoving that shit into my recommendation feed all the time

[remote lark]

i'm tired so i just did the math myself
163 * (1/0.5) = 326
115 ∗ (1/(1-0.325)) ∗ (1/0.5) ≈ 340.74

[heady rapids]

please stop EVEN THEIR UNRELATED SONGS SOUND THE SAME why

[remote lark]

👍

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[hexed igloo]

Real

I fw grey and white cats so hard goated ong

[hexed igloo]

Taylor swift?

[spare talon]

you need better examples

[remote lark]

im just gonna go to bed i think
my brains like, not working

[heady rapids]

im sure reddit wont overreact over this post..............................

[plucky gate]

wow incredible how you multiplied both answers by (1/0.5)
it's almost like i was right about multiplying by 2 in both cases

[hexed igloo]

reddit won't overreact

Have you been on reddit lmao

[remote lark]

yes, that was the point of me posting it
i'm too tired to think so i just did the math to see the answer for myself

congratulations you can read my message

[spare dome]

god i hate bubble

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-pokemon-throw-gif-5045194

[remote lark]

how did this comment get more likes than the post lmfao

[heady rapids]

cause theyf uckinG HATE THE POST AUTHOR

[hard nexus]

i need 2 try bloodthirsty PS mk15 evis with martyrdom and IoD

[heady rapids]

OBVIOUSLY cause they all know that bubble blocks burgle so that guy is fucking done for

[remote lark]

im gonna downvote all of this guys posts now

[heady rapids]

such a stupid motherfucker how did he not know that

[hard nexus]

idek what my havoc rank is rn i havent played in forever

[remote lark]

is this account you because i found a message from it i want to post here

[heady rapids]

no

[hard nexus]

hrm,,,

[remote lark]

this guy wrote a paragraph btw i just can't post the rest

[heady rapids]

what the fuck

[hard nexus]

frown tuah

misclicked MP again lmfao

[plush estuary]

no no, martyr's purpose or not a good build

[remote lark]

i do that alot

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[remote lark]

red node... good.............

[plucky gate]

I ran the exact same tree for shred wrath mk15 on h40
it wasn't good but i think bt perfect strike could do better

[hard nexus]

yah it would, 4x cleave on i think 9 cleave hits is reallllyyy good

though you’d lose out pretty heavily against mixed hordes

[heady rapids]

ok there was actually nothing there

[plucky gate]

i managed to barely get top damage but that's with the build providing 0 utility and everyone else having utility like bubble and voc

[hard nexus]

being a good player with chastise is more utility than bubble in my humble little opinion

[plucky gate]

not if you only outdamaged the bubble user by like 2%

gotta aim high if you're providing nothing but damage

[hard nexus]

if you dive gunner lines and snipe out specials, then you have more utility

[spare dome]

i tried perfect strike shred on an MK15 all day yesterday and the results were quite poor. like 2/3rds to 1/2 the performance of a chaxe12

[hard nexus]

how does it feel that bad?? mk3 evis does amazing with it

[spare dome]

it did however feel pretty good when you were dick deep in crusher + rager + mauler + bulwark hordes but the damage just doesnt go anywhere and heavy revs are far too slow to be reliably executed on

[heady rapids]

well the chaxe got its rework before evis

[spare dome]

this was H40 to be clear, it was totally fine for aurics

[hard nexus]

havoc, the raw damage stat isn’t as important as it is in aurics, as what’s actually taking damage matters, namely gunner lines, specials, etc

killing chaff is usually just taken up by whoever takes flamer or infernus

[heady rapids]

maybe next week

[hard nexus]

u clearly aren’t evis expert… u gotta grind lil bro…….

[spare dome]

nah ive used both quite a bit, and im trying real hard to give them a place in havocs but ... well ...

a complete lack of power blessings outside of rampage really doesnt help

[hard nexus]

hrm unfortunately there r 2 words for u…

i’ve used mk3 evis shred PS to very good effect in h40

[spare dome]

yea but bein honest with yourself, was it better than other options fulfilling a similar role? cause it was definitely not for me

[hard nexus]

well duh, mk3 evis is bad

[spare dome]

cause yeah, chaxe12 isnt exactly the toppest of tops for melee, and it was floundering to compete with a chaxe12 and thats very unfortunate

[hard nexus]

but it can absolutely work in h40 due to perfect strike letting you cleave through mixed hordes and carapace

[heady rapids]

o

[fleet zealot]

sometimes i think i'm people

[hard nexus]

MEEEEE

[hard nexus]

methinks me using mk3 evis would do better than chaxe12 teeeeee beeeee aaccchheeeee

[hexed igloo]

I wish chaxe wasn't so sticky

[snow moat]

hi chat

[hexed igloo]

I would fw it so much harder if it didn't fuckin stick to every poxwalker

[remote lark]

kid named latency

[hard nexus]

frieren mentioned, peak

[remote lark]

use mk3 or whatever the other once is

[remote lark]

Reinflate that right now..

[hexed igloo]

Makes sense, I'll try it once I get around to updating the game I've been procrastinating the 30gb update

[spare dome]

reading tbh phonetically kinda hurt me

[snow moat]

furry wants to inflate things

[remote lark]

nevermind

[hard nexus]

cat made of tungsten

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/die-roblox-spongebob-vetex-gif-23528961

[remote lark]

@hard nexus frown at them for me

[snow moat]

the pump is ready

[hard nexus]

u know im right though ell oh ell

[spare dome]

es tee ef yew

[violet hornet]

Cat made of tongue-sten

[remote lark]

khahtmuaideuhvtonguesten

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-cat-silly-cat-cat-sticking-tongue-out-gif-12332973546502369976

[spare dome]

gesundheit

[hard nexus]

ts pmo tbh ong

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-squid-game-guard-ts-pmo-gif-12712203662881626331

[spare dome]

someone translate

[remote lark]

wahoo

can smite crit

[spare dome]

nope

[remote lark]

i just tried empowered psionics smite

what the fuck.

[uneven galleon]

Ew

[fleet zealot]

it doesn't unless you are using the wrong attack

[hexed igloo]

M1 lmao

[fleet zealot]

mk12 lights and mk4 heavies and PA don't stick. M1 IS FOR SINGLE TARGET

[remote lark]

it just killed 100 enemies before hitting 75% peril

i think it killed them almost as fast as assail too... except i ran out of assail darts

[hexed igloo]

If I can't light spam why live

[fleet zealot]

the ONE era where mk4 lights had "cleave" was when it was the worst button on the worst weapon in the game (because clubthrough)

[fleet zealot]

uSE THE MK12 LMAO

[hexed igloo]

I'll consider it

[remote lark]

what the fuck

WHY DOES EP SMITE CLEAR ALMOST BETTER THAN EP ASSAIL DOES

FOR HALF THE PERIL

[snow moat]

[plucky gate]

idk but ep cringe anyways

[remote lark]

i took ep smite and leaned as hard as i could into peril reduction it just straight up kills everything except crushers and bulwarks at like 75% peril before warp unbound even hits

[heady rapids]

@remote lark try smiting an elite with soulblaze stacked on it and see if it procs perilous combustion (which shouldn't proc off soulblaze kills)

[snow moat]

ya smite is really strong

[remote lark]

it does not

[heady rapids]

damn did they silently patch that

[remote lark]

i'm pretty sure in a real game this build will just ensure i get all my kills stolen from me ill try it once

[remote lark]

actually it ensured chaff could walk behind me and kill me

[fleet zealot]

yea but assail isn't as cringe

[remote lark]

very true

also assail much more mobile
also i hate smite and i hate smykers

[fleet zealot]

and looks more bad ass, and is more respectable (which is hilarious cause patch 13 assail was giga OP)

[remote lark]

the fact you know the exact patch number lmao

[fleet zealot]

also if you grab assail you don't get the overpowered psykinetic's (aura but not an actual aura)

[fleet zealot]

it's not hard for 13, that's the talent tree patch

game power crept so hard assail went from a legitimate griefing your teammates from interacting with the game at all to a balanced, healthy choice

maybe i simply don't understand what fatshark is cooking

[spare talon]

assail used to be "im leaving this lobby cuz i will not be able to play with this person on my team"

[remote lark]

what did it used to do

[spare talon]

butt fuck damage
and recharged faster

[rough edge]

What was wrong with Assail???

[remote lark]

its already like "almost" broken
thats hilarious

[spare talon]

light shards killed elites in 1-2 hits with no buffs

[heady rapids]

had worse rmb tho!!!!

[remote lark]

in fact if psych aura was accessible it WOULD be broken

[spare talon]

old assail cleared engagements before your team could even reach or interact with them

unless it was maulers/crushers/boss

[remote lark]

ep assail kind of does that if you have charges up

[spare talon]

but you had a force sword or staff for that so it didnt matter

[spare talon]

ok but that for every shard and then ep^2

[remote lark]

[spare talon]

with faster regen for shards that dont have it procced

[remote lark]

wait do warp charges give you shards? i'm curious

wonder if cd reduction applies to like individual shard cd or something different

cause if it affects assail differently due to assail not having a cooldown and just gives you a bunch of shards that might be fun to try

[spare talon]

it used to be 2 seconds base

[spare talon]

what no

[remote lark]

im asking how ability cooldown reduction affects assail

[spare talon]

it doesnt

[remote lark]

i'm actually stupid

[rough edge]

also isn't this one for zealot?

[spare talon]

assail isnt an ability, its a blitz

[remote lark]

shut up cole i know that

[spare talon]

zealot chat talks about all classes in reality

[remote lark]

yes but stupid people talk in #psyker-class and i hate them

[rough edge]

Understandable yeah

[remote lark]

go to other channels for reddit answers

LONER AND TOUGHNESS REGEN IS OP !!!!! - #psyker-class

[dire bough]

Oh my god the assault chainaxe is so much fun

[rough edge]

man I was so confused and stuff.

[spare talon]

@remote lark the shard regen modifier in its current state is worse than shard regen base patch 13
current: 3s, 2.1 with regen node
p13: 2s, 1.4 with regen node

[remote lark]

wow
wrong reply

[fleet zealot]

way more damage, recharged faster, less peril cost, better adms (worse rmb tho)

[remote lark]

fatshark give me old assail..........

[fleet zealot]

or maybe i'm wrong about peril cost, it seems to cost more now

[remote lark]

does assail rmb give me more damage or is that placebo
i still can't decide

[spare talon]

it does

[fleet zealot]

wdym placebo it's in the patch notes that it does

[remote lark]

i don't read patchnotes because i can't read

[fleet zealot]

it's more peril for more damage, and lets you specifically target an enemy

[rough edge]

assail should do 80 bajillion damage because I like my funny space rocks

[spare talon]

dont think this has changed

○ Reduced power of primary action from 250 to 200
○ Increased power of secondary action(aimed) throw from 250 to 340 or 400 if
talent “Empowered Psionics” is active

[remote lark]

sick

[fleet zealot]

zealots are the best multiclassers /hj

[remote lark]

i don't think i've had a single assail game where im' under a thousand kills
such an insane blitz

i still think the head popper is underpowered, not sure what niche it fits into
can it oneshot crushers/bulwarks?

[fleet zealot]

it's even better now with the 100% cleave node and scrier's stopping you from exploding

[fleet zealot]

no.... the only way to play BR is to play like, double walls and EP and even then it sucks

[remote lark]

i refuse to play without scriers
fuck the team, fuck your shield
don't need shriek

[plucky gate]

i remember when people could spam assails and wipe the room with no effort...

[fleet zealot]

bulwarks are like, the hard counter to BR when it should be what BR counters

[rough edge]

I like the funny bubble shield cause I play titan in d2 😔

[remote lark]

... ... i'll allow it.

[fleet zealot]

it still does if you invest in it, assail+ scriers no overload, 100% cleave node+EP or DD (assail power vs power for your entire kit)

[spare talon]

infinite range FUCK YOU button that can supplement a staff focused build

[fleet zealot]

but it's like average at room clearing with no effort nowadays

[remote lark]

ep assail is so much fun

[fleet zealot]

yee EP assail is more fun but DD is just amazing rn and works for your other 2 weapons

[remote lark]

why would i use my other two weapons when everything is already dead, peetism

[fleet zealot]

carapace and unyielding mostly

the 2 things assail doesn't do well against

[spare dome]

yea original iteration of assail was nonsensical. left clicks were only marginally weaker than right clicks and recharge was 2s instead of 3 (ie. the difference today between taking quicker recharge and not)

[fleet zealot]

AND THIS IS FUCKING BALANCED COMPARED TO SMITE AND FGS LMAO

i can't fatshark is on another plane of existence thinking about this is making em go crazy, i'm going to paint my walls with "+50% Damage increase to Smite"

[spare talon]

they were identical at 250 damage

[fleet zealot]

IN KETCHUP

[spare dome]

oh even worse

[plucky gate]

having experienced assail's launch has permanently tainted my view of assail
still feels gross looking at them

[spare dome]

i mean at least now you have to actually spec strongly into assail if you want bottomless left clicks, before it was basically free

but then a kid named warp splitter showed up and now here we are. an interaction that i continue to insist is wrong and should be nerfed

[rough edge]

I love assail as a concept but it personally feels less useful then smite or brain burst 😭

the fact that the little rocks like to take their sweet time to travel annoys me greatly

[spare dome]

also EP is a fundamentally bad keystone and needs some serious reconsideration but the reason for its existence might just be to prop up bad players at lower difficulties and nothing else in which case i guess it's perfect

[hard nexus]

it’d be fixed if they replaced smite with molten beam

and also made brain burst good

[spare dome]

oh that wouldnt fix it. its all bad, like, top to bottom. only brainburst looks ethical with EP and you're still trading global damage bonuses from Warp Charges or DD to ... do that

[sterile stone]

@spare talon Hop on KF3 with me

[copper hawk]

meowlten bleem

[spare dome]

but then anybody who understands the game mechanics understands why you dont need smite to have 200% extra damage, and why faster brainbursts arent really necessary, and that assail scales harder on DD than EP

[hard nexus]

it’s out???

[sterile stone]

Playtesting it

[hard nexus]

let me know how it is pls, i need kf3 to not be terrible

[spare talon]

why are you pinging me for a game i dont own thats part of a series ive never played

[sterile stone]

Cause it tickles that tism you have

[hard nexus]

brainburst needs to meet better breakpoints, like bulwarks and maulers

[sterile stone]

Game has a safehouse now, reminds me of DRG

[rough edge]

Brain buirst should charge faster against ogryns 😎 less brain to explode

[spare dome]

brainburst needs a lot of things but that comes down to what the devs want it to accomplish in its role. if it's just meant to snipe gunners and specials, then it better be fucken able to one shot said snipers and gunners

[hard nexus]

darktide reference

[clever swan]

kf3 seems alright

[sterile stone]

There's dodging in the game now and sliding

[hard nexus]

doesn’t it one shot all gunners? ik it one shots snipers

[clever swan]

kinda cringe that there's no dynamic blood in kf3

[hard nexus]

darktide reference

[sterile stone]

I can stream it in a bit, I dunno if I'd be allowed to stream it here tho

[spare dome]

1350 damage at base

[copper hawk]

ive never played a killing floor game b4

[hard nexus]

oh so it doesn’t kill dregs without some other buff

[spare dome]

and it's not exactly a fast or dynamic blitz like assail, and taking it excludes taking Malefic Momentum which is the easiest way to boost its output. It's allllll bad.

[hard nexus]

they can be very fun, i like them, but kf2 struggles with the issue of no peer to peer servers, and a lot of the servers were bait made by some guy to troll, that kick you after about 5 seconds of joining so quick match isn’t reliable

and setting up a server and configuring it is annoying because u have to set one up like a MC server almost

[spare dome]

And at Havocs it's always just going to be a niche supplemental skill whenever you (rarely) find big-ass openings to charge it because even with EP it won't fucken kill anything

[sterile stone]

There's no Scully :/

[spare dome]

honestly instead of fussing over damage numbers, brainburst can just ... get the insta-kill overrides that rock has for its own selection of targets

[copper hawk]

ah

[sterile stone]

Skill tree is like Space Marine 2's kinda

[sullen forge]

You'll have to tell me how it is cause im like more so prepping for dissapointment

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/maltigi-scary-evil-luigi-creepy-luigi-exe-gif-16926629064327547242

[sterile stone]

There's a battle pass system????

[hard nexus]

i was just about to say it should have killflags

(tknife should too)

[hard nexus]

yeah it’s unfortunate because the game can be a lot of fun

[copper hawk]

what kind of game is it

[sterile stone]

We got 5k free premium currency tho

[rough edge]

I always am less excited to play psyker unless its my sword psyker build where I just ignore my abilities and swing sword with seers gaze and DD

[sterile stone]

@sullen forge

[hard nexus]

wave based, class based survival game that you can buy new and upgrade ur weapons as you survive each wave

[heady rapids]

this game looks like a mobile game ad low key

[copper hawk]

oh like cod zombies kinda

[sterile stone]

There's a baked in story mode and crafting system now

[hard nexus]

kinda but much more varied enemies

typical chaff can grab you on higher difficulties, ranged enemies, 2 enemies similar to tanks from L4d2, ranged enemies, and bosses

also the classes get XP and level up thats permanent

[spare dome]

yea psylot, essentially

[copper hawk]

Ohg that's cool ill have 2 check it out

[rough edge]

yep :D Force Greatsword my beloved

[sterile stone]

It's got some elements of DRG with the hub world

[tropic pelican]

i hope edars and qps stay gone

[mighty root]

I’m so washed I just failed a clutch

[sullen forge]

Watching my friend stream it and the limited heals... That alone killed it for me

[sterile stone]

Keep a medic on deck

[rough edge]

In regards to zealot, I wish it was easier to run shroudfield without loner and still snag the keystones 😭

[sullen forge]

What I am hearing is you actively get punished for not playing medic solo

[sterile stone]

[sullen forge]

which I think is incredibly stupid

[mighty root]

I love killing floor but idk how I feel about limited heals

[sullen forge]

That little stim in 1 and 2 was the sole reason you'd live playing OTHER Classes

[mighty root]

This

[fleet zealot]

Kf3 looks like it’s going to be doa lol

[sullen forge]

Limiting it is so fucking unhealthy for the gameplay loop LMAO

[sterile stone]

I think they're trying to force more team focused gameplay

[fleet zealot]

Like going to bomb worse than pd3

[hard nexus]

limited heals???? that sucks

[sullen forge]

By forcing a medic? and always a medic?

[fleet zealot]

But it already succeeded in that in previous games lol.

[hard nexus]

beserker now is abysmal dogshit it seems..

[sullen forge]

Max of 3 and only heal's 20 per Stim, and rarely spawn on the ground :))))

[rough edge]

Shroudfield is so epic, I just hate loner cause I don't wanna be that shroudfield zealot who ignores my fellow rejects and ignores everything

[mighty root]

This is so awesome

[sullen forge]

Im not buying it

[fleet zealot]

It worked with the darktide style of “everyone can do a bit of everything, pick what things you are great at” and while kf2 was flawed in many ways imo the dual class weapons were an amazing addition

[mighty root]

Licking floor 3

[sullen forge]

They alone could salvage the game with changing the stim system but I doubt it, its probably going to be a PD3 scenario of DOA

[fleet zealot]

Looks like mobile game slop anyways, it makes me almost miss kf2

like the zeds look cool and high fid but then they stretch and move and it just looks like a cartoon

Makes me more appreciative of darktide

[sullen forge]

Zeds are cool, their new gimmicks are cool. Issue- if you're extremely limited on every single resource it feels like ass playing

[sterile stone]

It's fun ngl

[fleet zealot]

How fun and for how long

[sterile stone]

Just found out one of medic's abilities is to toss out a bag of stims.

[mighty root]

Ok what about the extremely high waves

[fleet zealot]

You can find fun in the shittiest games

[sullen forge]

Argus we play darktide

[mighty root]

Is it a cooldown?

[sterile stone]

2 uses

[sullen forge]

per

[fleet zealot]

You can have lots of fun but the replay-ability is crap

[sullen forge]

wave? or match

[rough edge]

I was going to say that but I didn't wanna be mean 😭

[mighty root]

Holy peak

[fleet zealot]

And it looks like mobile hero shooter battle pass bullshit in a paid game

[mighty root]

Me when something’s not broken so I fix it

[fleet zealot]

The moral of killing floor

[sullen forge]

The gameplay loop wasn't terribly broken it could've used QOL stuff here and there but it was fine how it was in 1 and 2

[sterile stone]

Medic pistol has infinite darts

[mighty root]

This reminds me of destiny and how salt whined for nerfs so much there was nothing good to use

[hybrid jewel]

So am forced to play medic when solo queuing or get bullied to hell again. Reminds me of KF1.

[mighty root]

Ok that’s good

[sullen forge]

One decent step

[mighty root]

So just protect the medic? And profit?

[obsidian prairie]

Can you self inject

[sterile basalt]

it has battle pass and MTX shop built into beta
it's literally gonna be payday 3 2

[fleet zealot]

Me play demo/pyro me no swap

Ooga booga

[mighty root]

Mmmmm slop

[sterile stone]

Ult is like a psyker bubble that heals

[hybrid jewel]

Assuming I somehow get it anyway.

[spare dome]

fucken three quickplay queues into a mission failed screen. guess it's bedtime.

[tropic pelican]

if it's like the previous games then not with the guns

[sterile basalt]

when are u getting Dk2

[sullen forge]

eventually

[spare dome]

donkey kong 2?

[fleet zealot]

Ults in a horde shooter

[sullen forge]

Door Kickers 2, he really wants a Co-op player for it

[hybrid jewel]

There there. Pat pat. It happens.

[mighty root]

Wonder who they got that idea from

[sterile stone]

Support options like an ammo bad and mine field

[fleet zealot]

Berserker ult better be full heal and or temp invincibility

[mighty root]

That’s been happening to me

[fleet zealot]

Meanwhile DT even without cdr is ability spam asf

[hybrid jewel]

So, 2 medics forced meta or the group with the most ppl start flaming.

[fleet zealot]

Agh i hate mmos i hate hero shooters i hate mobile slop

[fleet zealot]

and you are character locked lol lmao

So if your favorite character isn’t medic, you don’t even get that

[mighty root]

It’s so over

[hybrid jewel]

No more pick whoever you want???

[sterile basalt]

u gonna be on tonight?

[fleet zealot]

No lol one of the first announcements they made for gameplay, each character has a pre selected class, no longer separate options

[hybrid jewel]

So if the ladies aren't medic, does that mean... wait nvm, they always make the medic the girl.

[sullen forge]

Probs not I work a morning shift

[mighty root]

That’s so cool killing floor 3 i hope you’re listening to the player base and not pulling an arrowhead, Ubisoft, or bungie

[spare talon]

CAPPED ON DOCKETS
THERE IS NO GOD

[fleet zealot]

Idk if they should support the playerbase that stuck through kf2

[obsidian prairie]

Read

[sterile basalt]

okie

[hybrid jewel]

Roll some autopistols to fling into heretics.

[mighty root]

Did people not like it?

[obsidian prairie]

Do you have every mark of every weapon on every character?

[spare talon]

wyes

[fleet zealot]

Kf2 really fell down the microtransaction rabbit hole

[obsidian prairie]

And havoc variants?

[hybrid jewel]

Yes, but there will be more chars, isn't it?

[spare talon]

yes

[mighty root]

Ohhhj that yeah

[sullen forge]

a LOT of broken promises and a LOT of scummy cash grabbing

[obsidian prairie]

Shit

[heady rapids]

just buy weapons???????? then sell them when the cap gets raised

[mighty root]

Yarp I remember now

[fleet zealot]

As well as basically putting the game on life support with no p2p.

Letting people grief the server browser and quickplay

[mighty root]

I could go for some black ops 3 high rounds

[hybrid jewel]

Also, it was more the general idea. The number of games where they force the support/healer role to female characters is way too high tbh.

[fleet zealot]

Not small one man playing like shit it was people making troll servers

I do think the bosses and monsters were cool tho fuck abomination

And their mold inflatable arm men

Berserkers worse nightmare

Those green mossy blobs

[mighty root]

God I hated that

[sullen forge]

Abomination Spawn I think they're literally called

[mighty root]

I love how they are Mach 13 too

It makes me so happy

[fleet zealot]

And no one will handle them at range cause they are focusing boss

[sullen forge]

the 20 spawns running directly towards the berserker and nuking them

[mighty root]

I liked berserker, firebug, and medic

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-shock-gif-3313763163884114175

Also yea the xp rates in kf2 were atrocious

And some classes could step up the difficulty for more xp much sooner than others

[hybrid jewel]

Worse than 1? I thought 1 was too grindy already tbh.

[fleet zealot]

No idea, kf1 is in my memory deadzone

[hybrid jewel]

Being forced to only play medic made it worse.

[fleet zealot]

I vaguely remember killing floor source

[sullen forge]

Some classes were an absolute fucking SLOG leveling up, coming from a 1/200 total SWAT mains

[spiral hare]

what’s a scrumptious thunder hammer build

[fleet zealot]

Medic got some touchups in 2, hybrid weapons with most other classes helped a ton

[hybrid jewel]

I usually just save up for an auto shotgun and brrrrrrrr into the boss.

[fleet zealot]

I would sometimes just play berserker with the hybrid berserker medic bat

And just run around giving my team healing by hitting them full force with a spiked bat

But hybrid weapons were prob used on medic the most+ having real options for big dosh

[hard nexus]

dual 500 smith n wessons my beloved

[fleet zealot]

But i barely remember

[obsidian prairie]

Ok perfect game buying it now

[hybrid jewel]

Is ded gaem. If KF1.

[median steeple]

avowed has stayed at very positive for about a week now I think I shall try this game

also forgot how ass the endgame was for VTMB1

[tropic pelican]

Kf2 grinding is a bullet train compared to kf1

[hybrid jewel]

You need the fanpatch, but even then, I hope you went FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

[median steeple]

I had the patch but jesus I wish I picked like gangrel lmao

[sterile stone]

They kinda nerfed berserker a bit ago to where it couldn't just solo everything anymore on HoE

[hybrid jewel]

Hrm?

[sterile stone]

Like skirmisher went from speed increase + 3 hp heal a second to liek halving the speed increase and making so you heal 1 hp per secon

[median steeple]

I picked Tremere since I like thaumaturgy, so I went with that and guns

guns are good but for bosses it's kind of miserable

except when you have flamethrower ammo

[hybrid jewel]

Ah yes, you hit the FIGHT only bits on a RP char?

[median steeple]

ming fight made me wanna die

[hybrid jewel]

Yes. You don't minmax an I punch stuff char, you just suffer then.

[median steeple]

wouldn't mind if I could carry more flamethrower ammo

but it's done now and onto something else

[hybrid jewel]

Ah.

[merry flume]

hmm ..quite telling

[sullen forge]

Nurgle's strongest Mauler

[spare talon]

a bomber grenade hit me in the face and pushed me back into the overhead

[grizzled aspen]

I found @sullen forge in terraria.

The pet item is literally called "shark bait."

[acoustic dune]

Is that mf fartshart? The guy whom pooptide?

[grizzled aspen]

It's Gale.

[acoustic dune]

Gale could be fartshark

Which remind to finish his drawing request
Someday

[hard nexus]

what no twbs does to a mfer

[sullen forge]

TWBS crutch...

[hexed igloo]

Copper armor 😔

[grizzled aspen]

It's tin, and I'm super early game in calamity.

[hexed igloo]

Calamity goes pretty hard

[grizzled aspen]

I actually have a lot of defense from my accessories rn so I don't take a lot of damage, meaning I can take full advantage of tins set bonus being +5 armor piercing.

[hexed igloo]

I usually do some asinine shit and make a bunch of molotovs to suicide run the BoC (can usually get enough stuff to make crimson gear)

[hexed igloo]

What class you going for?

[grizzled aspen]

I'm looking for rubies to make gemcorns so I can fight king slime first.

[grizzled aspen]

True melee, and I installed the directional melee mod to make it less cbt.

[hexed igloo]

Rogue is good fun but honestly can't get much stronger than raw melee lmao

[grizzled aspen]

I thought about doing rogue but I kinda would want a mod to combine thorium and calamity keywords so rogue is less poopy.

[hexed igloo]

Might I suggest doing a quick jaunt to the corruption + sulphuric sea, you can make the funny corruption sword that's stronger than the nights edge before any bosses lmao

[grizzled aspen]

I.e. convert some thorium accessories to do rogue boosting stuff instead of thrower clads stuff.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah I know what you're talking about, the big fuckoff sword that does an unholy amount of damage.

[hexed igloo]

I have a ranger build, just calam + some ranger addons

Crackshot colt my beloved

[grizzled aspen]

I've got an enchanted sword rn so I should be fine for a while. Wishing the shrine dropped terragrim though.

[hexed igloo]

Enchanted sword the goat

Which way western man

Enchanted sword or starfury

[grizzled aspen]

I've also got an enchanted cane but I'm not sure what mod it's from. It summons this little shield thing that stops enemies in place if they touch it.

[hexed igloo]

Oh yeah no clue what that is lmao

[grizzled aspen]

I wanna say it's a thorium weapon.

[hexed igloo]

Probably, I haven't used thorium

[grizzled aspen]

Thorium is a good mod, I mainly use it for accessories.

[sullen forge]

Me who did strictly bows only to prove a point that guns aren’t meta

[hexed igloo]

Imo guns are easier to use but bows can hit some nice dps

Guns are easier to land shots with usually, I do just suck with bows tho

[sullen forge]

Bows are stupidly strong if you know how to abuse them

[grizzled aspen]

Like I run fargo's equippable inventory to do a little cheatsydoodling with accessories but only because I run death + eternity mode at the same time, and I don't do goofy shit like stacking reforges.

[sullen forge]

Chloro arrows my beloved

[hexed igloo]

I have magic storage because I'm a hoarder and fuck having 80 chests

[grizzled aspen]

Holy arrows + daedalus stormbow = eat shit and die mech bosses.

[grizzled aspen]

Fargos equippable inventory only works on accessories in your inventory, piggy bank, and safe. Not sure if it works from void vault or whatever it is.

[hexed igloo]

P90 = eat shit and die to anything pre-moonlord

[sullen forge]

Plantera? In an enclosed space? More like

Woe 500 million ricochetteing and homing arrows you stupid fucking plant

[grizzled aspen]

Plantera gets mogged with that one magic lamp thing you can make from desert enemies.

[hexed igloo]

P90 is comical for a gun you can buy the moment you enter hardmode lmao

[sullen forge]

P90 is just

[grizzled aspen]

Or a yoyo with frost armor.

[sullen forge]

Hold M1 gameplay it’s ridiculously dumb

[grizzled aspen]

Frost armor + cursed flask + shadowflame knife = profit.

3 dots stacking at the same time.

[sullen forge]

I usually ran like Dart Rifle/pistol depending on what corruption and if I could I’d focus Ichor

But Cursed Flame is kinda really fucking funny

[grizzled aspen]

I liked, in vanilla with friends, at least, running the 3x dot setup while someone on mage used the piss book.

Made mech bosses a BREEZE, lemme tell ya. Especially destroyer, that fat fucking worm.

[hearty nebula]

zlirp

[remote lark]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jJrtjFdf47hzPp4Z6?invite=cr-MSxyaGwsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA

[grizzled aspen]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jCmddczn5WWdQrrk1?invite=cr-MSxwM3EsMjY5OTA3MzMzLA

Just a reminder that this exists btw.

(this is Lumii begging for me to save him)

[remote lark]

this means nothing

[grizzled aspen]

I will hold this over you forever, noob... 🚬

[mighty root]

@spare talon what bp’s does warp rider hit? And this is for melee psyker

[remote lark]

is that the cleave or the damage peril node

[mighty root]

Using the knife with uncanny and precog

[mighty root]

Damage

[remote lark]

i think you need it for bulwark crusher oneshot on fgs and knife

[mighty root]

Hmmmm

[remote lark]

maybe not for ds

[mighty root]

Since I’m not critting a every second I wanted to use anticipation instead of ee but I might need to drop it because of the point tax

Plus wailing on things with the knife is tons of crit a second so maybe it’s not too bad?

@remote lark And how needed is the cleave based on peril on knife?

[remote lark]

i dont know im a onetrick on psyker i just know knife well enough to maybe answer
i dont thinkit has hitmass issues so not useful

[mighty root]

That’s what I figured as well

[spare talon]

i dont pay attention to psyker bps
tracking warp rider and DD and scriers
fuck that

[mighty root]

Ok real? But do you run it and can you tell a difference without it?

[remote lark]

i dont think it matters cause you'll only see it when using ur warp attacks anyway

[mighty root]

Its 20% to all damage

[rough galleon]

Yeah okay buddy the one trick you know is roll over and every psyker knows that one

[spare talon]

and scriers
and assail weaving

[remote lark]

wise guy...

[grizzled aspen]

He ain't wrong.

[mighty root]

Gonna run this match without warp rider and see how it goes

I should get that one descaler mod so I make everything look potato

I can finally have ultrakill darktide

Atleast i hope

[remote lark]

finally, FyreVision

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fairy-glitter-leo-dude-fuck-yes-gif-996220195472280544

[remote lark]

🧪 ❗ 🥽

[mighty root]

I understand it

[remote lark]

💀 .

[mighty root]

My Mach 10 freak is complete

[remote lark]

jesus fucking christ i literally subbed to reginald today and the FIRST THING IN MY NEXT PAGE OF RECCOMENDATIONS FROM YOUTUBE IS THIS

[hearty nebula]

fatter shitbird

[remote lark]

i can tell without looking that this is a video on infinite cleave

[hearty nebula]

he's already wrong because the bfgs exists

[remote lark]

[hearty nebula]

yeah that seems about right given how tanner is

it's like watching an infant finally discover how the mechanics of the game actually work

[obsidian prairie]

What the fuck is that ui

[remote lark]

it's an optimized ui that puts all your data inside the focus of your eyes
it's something similar i learned to do in mmos in pvp

[hearty nebula]

like consider how much time tanner has probably sank into darktide at this point
and then think that it took him this long to figure out that infinite cleave is a thing & is actually useful

[obsidian prairie]

It’s looks like shit

[polar nexus]

TIL

[hearty nebula]

just think about it

[remote lark]

they do look like shit but they improve your gameplay substantially
you never have to look away from the shit in front of you

his ui has actually improved my opinion of him

[obsidian prairie]

I do not wish to descend to that level of basement dweller

[remote lark]

then continue allowing me to drop 1.5k kills on you

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[obsidian prairie]

We have never played together and I don’t think funky ui gives that much of an advantage

[hearty nebula]

heavy sword is so much better than devil's claw on just the front of "how usable is it without knowing some weird ass tech" alone, or relying on parries

[remote lark]

that's the point he was quoting an idiot

[hearty nebula]

yeah i know, youtube commenters being youtube commenters

[obsidian prairie]

You would probably still drop 1.5k on me but you happen to play the game more and are probably better anyway

[remote lark]

i think i have less hours than most people here actually
im barely at 400

[obsidian prairie]

I have 500 something

[remote lark]

[hearty nebula]

yeah you have less than me, but ur still better

[obsidian prairie]

I spent like 100-200 of those as a single celled organism

[remote lark]

400*

[obsidian prairie]

I think the reason why you play better than most people around your hours is because you actually took the game seriously the whole way through

[hearty nebula]

but on the other hand i only care about being good enough to like not suck dogass at the game, but despite that i continue improving and gathering knowledge on the game because there's no reason to just... be uninformed of stuff

[remote lark]

you're not wrong
im a nerd about these kinds of games about optimization and i was in this discord at like 8 hours in

[hearty nebula]

oh yeah i totally get that. i've been playing warframe for like a decade now so i get exactly what you mean lol

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah I played casually until like 250 or so

[hearty nebula]

buildcrafting is one of my favorite things, provided the game isn't mega complex or just overtly obtuse on mechanics

like you won't see me playing path of exile or something like that

[remote lark]

me too but complex shit just means you'll be able to find broken things so easily
path of exile i thought looked like it would be boring, but i made screen-killing shit after buildcrafting for hours one night and i got hooked since

[obsidian prairie]

I somehow thought you were a different person specifically because I saw your user typing

[remote lark]

turns out i accidentally crafted the literal meta in the game, stat stacking

[hearty nebula]

This is true, but for me it's a problem of like. Time investment to how much fun I'm actually having getting to the point where I can make that build

I don't want to spend 12-20 hours grinding stuff just to do a specific setup

Also, stat stacking is broken in a lot of games. Risk of Rain 2 is a wonderful example of that because you can stack like 10 or so crowbars and you'll be oneshotting a lot of things, provided you have other items that have good proc coefficient

Because you're just boosting up your base damage which allows you to easily crank out nasty damage numbers on your on-hit/kill effects since those are also affected by it

I formulated a build that works on essentially every single character except for Void Fiend (because he can't take healing items very easily without getting fucked over by his transformation) and Railgunner since she can't crit

but it's also not very hard to make an extremely competent build when you're basing it off of infinite spinel tonics

[hearty nebula]

spinel tonic my beloved

[remote lark]

tonic so funny

[remote lark]

dude the body exploding like 2s after you landed made me spit my drink

[zinc talon]

me irl

[twin wagon]

still bad

[remote lark]

still better than you

[twin wagon]

😛

[zinc talon]

I thought the NOT TODAY with perfect comedic timing paired perfectly

the bug was saying that to me

[hearty nebula]

this is why i am not to be trusted with artifact of command (from my friend's point of view)

[zinc talon]

number go up

[hearty nebula]

real

[hearty nebula]

and you still suck at the game

[zinc talon]

I've peaked and it's all downhill from here
can't even hit my dodges anymore

oh wait I think I have a twofer in the same fight scene recently saved on my zealot

[hearty nebula]

skill issue

[twin wagon]

Don't worry Pal, when we get buffed and shouties nerfed we'll be the ones bullying them

[hearty nebula]

ogryn patchnotes:

• removed from game and replaced with hamburger that you can throw at enemies to piss them off
  zealot patchnotes:
• removed loner and replaced it with the "fuck you" aura (it deletes all enemies on screen every 3 minutes)

[zinc talon]

and forcibly matches you with people that want to actively play

[hearty nebula]

real

[twin wagon]

Loner replaced with "solo play", an aura that downs players within coherency of you every 10 seconds

[hearty nebula]

REAL

[twin wagon]

now people WANT YOU to rush ahead

[hearty nebula]

unironically i think it'd be cool if loner was changed to actually encourage being away from the party occasionally

the problem is that it's kind of hard to achieve that in darktide without extreme consideration for not making it super busted

maybe like after 5s out of coherency you gain some attack speed & tdr

[zinc talon]

empra smiles upon me

[hearty nebula]

you deserved that

[zinc talon]

the fire does not hurt

[hearty nebula]

you still deserved that

[zinc talon]

empra is with me

[hearty nebula]

like iunno what to tell you other than that was completely avoidable

[zinc talon]

I wasn't asking to be told anything I just thought it would make you chuckle

two separate bomber grenades land dead center and no damage taken from either

empra pertec

[hearty nebula]

it is funny

[tawny walrus]

@stone fern you're the hammer person. How's this hammer build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4170e5-176f-46c9-89b1-8f3e79a30c36/hammer-time-17

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-hands-wiggling-fingers-stylist-hair-stylist-hands-gif-11369179

[twin wagon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024790251417374730/1341463892567789708/IMG_20250217_175429_089.jpg?ex=67b8115b&is=67b6bfdb&hm=fad1a9ad760f8e459b8d07d933b096cede63c59d36605f8b6b178c18c6da6525&

[zinc talon]

99% of people won't believe this one wow amazing loltrue fact! do you pass the test???

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE:

[grizzled aspen]

You couldn't even manage to breathe and walk at the same time earlier, fym drop 1.5k kills...

[hearty nebula]

its ok but you can drop these so you can take invocation of death (left side cooldown reduction), TWBS is no longer necessary

[remote lark]

breathing is hard

[hearty nebula]

you aren't really hitting backstabs with thammer very often anyways so you want another source of cdr imo

[vast basin]

No don't take iod on hammer lol

[hearty nebula]

also consider taking boltgun instead of boltpistol

yes take it

[vast basin]

And twbs is still good on hammer because it's a slow weapon

[hearty nebula]

you get uninterruptible from the node above iod anyways

[remote lark]

and where does the crit come from to proc iod exactly

[hearty nebula]

hitting enemies obviously

[vast basin]

Iod on hammer is really not great

[remote lark]

gabby do you know what the base crit rate of the thunder hammer is

[vast basin]

It's not a Crit weapon

[hearty nebula]

at least 1

[remote lark]

it's 5%.
you will get a few seconds shaved off.. on a 5% chance per swing

[hearty nebula]

yeah

[remote lark]

continue.

[hearty nebula]

i've already said my piece, my piece is they should take iod

besides if that's the concern there's more they need to change anyways

[grizzled aspen]

Clearly everything is hard when youre higher than a fucking kite.

[remote lark]

• unyielding on hammer

• keep twbs non-crit hammer needs it

• keep good balance its a good non-crit tdr and dr source

• just swap scourge to blood redemption otherwise it's perfect

• swap the mutant curio for another gunner curio

• swap the health curio for a sniper resistance curio

• consider flamer to make up for hammers lack of great horde clear

• consider ironhelm for better horde clear (special activation has good cleave until it hits an elite)

please do not fucking use invoc on a 5% crit weapon that is beyond useless

invoc needs to have 100% uptime if you spend the points to take it it's incredibly broken but expensive

[hearty nebula]

can drop good balance for faithful frenzy if you hate the attack speed

lumi when add heavy sword & thammer to handbook

[remote lark]

tomorrow im high as fuck right now

[hearty nebula]

that reminds me

[remote lark]

attack.. speed?

[hearty nebula]

faithful frenzy, i like it alot for thunderhammer

[remote lark]

they had it in their build already

[hearty nebula]

oh i missed that lol

[remote lark]

you dropped good balance for faithful endurance on the top right which you won't get at all

[hearty nebula]

enduring faith? ok gimme a sec

[remote lark]

ya

[hearty nebula]

it slipped my mind, muscle memory moment. im used to just putting that in builds. there

yeah literally just 1 different talent

the only thing they messed up was scourge ig, i just typically find that i do tend to get use out of iod on thammer

like sure it's expensive but you do notice it on thammer since you're not getting as much cdr as you are with other weapons

[remote lark]

you get some value whenever you FOTF but its not worth a 3 point investment in the face of 20% elites damage, 25% ranged damage, and i think 25% damage reduction on both toughness and hp with 100% uptime

[hearty nebula]

actually how is ironhelm on horde clear these days

[remote lark]

high skill floor but good and viable in havoc

[hearty nebula]

i need a break from relic blade & heavy sword lol.

[hearty nebula]

me too (tomorrow)

it's too late to take my gummy now otherwise i will be an absolute vegetable for the next 24h

the gummies i got this time are fucking potent to say the least

cause they take like 6 hours for me to peak on them and holy shit that peak hits hard & they linger

anyways; i jam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Za5uBxsls

blasting this album while playing darktide hits hard

[grizzled aspen]

High skill floor? (Clad doesn't meet this floor)

[twin wagon]

nothing in this game has a skill floor compared to Mordhau

[sterile stone]

Baby hours compared to a few

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/let-majima-cook-majima-let-him-cook-yakuza-pirate-yakuza-in-hawaii-gif-15563258968961121015

https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735

[carmine falcon]

Wtffff

Nolifing this on the weekend

[misty nova]

Why's bro fighting the food

[carmine falcon]

just majima things

[next marlin]

What are the best weapons to use with a chorus oriented Zealot ?

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-dance-happy-yay-gif-10889403

[carmine falcon]

i just found out that u can cancel bolter reload by doing push attack
wot da hyyylllllll

[misty nova]

Rogue Trader on game pass 🗣️

[misty ravine]

Relic Blade (Chorus while it's cooling down anyways) or anything that crits a lot (to get it back as fast as possible with Invocation of Death)

[next marlin]

A great new !

[frosty herald]

with a bash yeah

[carmine falcon]

this is life changing man holy moly

[drowsy steppe]

hitreg says no

[misty ravine]

Last night I got 2 pox bursters in 2 separate games that wouldn't register shoves. Not even the notorious doorburster, just running right up ignoring force sword double shoves

[spare dome]

just tap sprint

[heady rapids]

are we all just gonna ignore background audio

[copper hawk]

Killing spore

[carmine falcon]

was able to do it with thrwoing knives too

[spare dome]

yea but thats slower and expensive

sprint tap is the way to do it fastest

[carmine falcon]

you know what you're right i just tested all methods in psychanium
good advice

[spare dome]

another funny you can do:

• have one round missing in your mag
  Quickdraw Bolter by, drawing it, cancel the draw with a reload, cancel reload with a sprint.
  No tknife or xstance needed

[carmine falcon]

[spare dome]

-23c when the fuck is it gonna end

[misty ravine]

It's already ended here. -25 to -5 and snowing to +12 and rain in the course of a week. Won't miss the cold but it's gonna be a fucking mess

[spare dome]

no end in sight til next week for me

[cinder roost]

🇳 🇪 🇽 🇹 🇼 🇪 🇪 🇰

[stone fern]

talents are great but crucis doesnt really need carapace id go elite or unyielding with flak also maybe a stamina curio instead of health and mutant resist is kinda useless

[pulsar yoke]

So, so much of the zealot tree revolves around critical chances

How do I see what exactly my chance of triggering criticals is? I main infantry lasgun and chainaxe, for my sins.

[misty nova]

Eh
Scourge, enduring, IoD....

[clever swan]

there's a mod that shows it on your hud

[pulsar yoke]

I’m console scum alas

[spare dome]

Go to Veteran chat and check the pins. Path wrote them out.

[pulsar yoke]

Ah sure thanks

[spare dome]

It depends on class, weapons, blessing, etc

[pulsar yoke]

Just trying to rework my talent tree to grab more of the keystone upgrades but not sure how to judge the worth of things up-tree like enduring faith that run off crits

One always hears that toughness regen is worthless because you should be restoring toughness actively. I presume I can drop things like fortitude in fellowship then? (+50% coherency toughness regen)

[misty nova]

You can drop it, FiF still a very comfortable pick though

[static sky]

So fellow zealots. What’s the most effective weapon at killing bulwarks?

[stone fern]

leaving and letting the psyker/vet do it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1297692062057238549/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.20_-_16.05.00.06-00.03.35.547-00.03.58.962.mp4?ex=67b85929&is=67b707a9&hm=925a07cd807bed76d25fa3a8dbb96e7c357f01f8eb930540625da6040377af5a&

[static sky]

If only teammates played their roles. Sadly I keep getting swamped by them while my team runs ahead

[carmine falcon]

i save my bolter and magdump them
or bait out their melee and headshot them

[static sky]

I’ve been having hella fun running relic blade and recon lasgun. Bulwarks are the only bastads I have to swing at like 6 times. Frustrating.

[stone fern]

🚬 i feel you
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1296918681741295636/bulwark_gameplay.mp4?ex=67b82be5&is=67b6da65&hm=0d3de6bf14c32796fa5bc68fface9f666efce50e0dc4c7ddb1110ef8cee30026&

personally i just leave

bulwarks pretty much only exist as an annoyance to zealots

[static sky]

That makes me feel better. It’s not just me struggling to get gud. They just suck for zeals.

[stone fern]

vet? kraks or shout
psyker? every staff+force swords
ogryn? push with any melee weapon or rush
zealot? mag dump 90% of your bolter ammo

[stone fern]

nah its both were both bad AND bulwarks are badly designed

[misty nova]

Crusher or Evis15

[carmine falcon]

i killed few bulwarks by uppercutting their legs with mk2 relic

[misty nova]

Might even put Ironhelm there

[stone fern]

no

[static sky]

That’s the best counter I’ve found. Still kinda scary when 3 of the bastads show up and lock you in a corner. And my team is a mile away pulling more horde they can’t handle. I love it

[stone fern]

ironhelm has issues with hooking to the carapace shoulder plate instead of under it and its carapace adm is so shit it wont always one shot bulwarks if it hits the shoulder plate

[carmine falcon]

that's the issue with these bastards
They are fine as if its 1 or 2 but when the game spawns a pack that's just utter bullshit

[placid fiber]

Just hit the fucking shield with it, it auto opens it with a powered attack

[misty nova]

And because ironhelm stun is criminally inexistent

[stone fern]

for reference
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1332328044920045630/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.01.24_-_13.15.05.01-00.04.19.673-00.04.31.409.mp4?ex=67b8732f&is=67b721af&hm=efc78ffc1a836dcc4b826090c38f9e9b13b7ebaaf87071682f6f42658a8ad3d2&
one heavy attack with one stack of sustained and headtaker is enough to kill it if it connects correctly here i had chastise as well
this should have killed it 100% no ifs ands or butts

[placid fiber]

it's the same for the crucis as well >.>

[placid fiber]

you might have hit their club >.>

or a hit register error happened

[stone fern]

not my problem!!!!

im 90% sure it glitched and hit the carapace

since ironhelm has a criminally bad carapace adm

[placid fiber]

it looked like it didn't do damage, which would mean it didn't register the hit

[stone fern]

not my problem!!!! give me the kill NOW

[placid fiber]

chastise literally gives you 100% rending...

[static sky]

When are they gonna fix the reapers jank? Getting shot from behind them through their stomach is infuriating

[stone fern]

armor downgrade is still better than rending if your adms are trash

you wanna know why its carapace adm was buffed in the first place? because it became unsable after the chastise changes rending still wont boost base damage

[carmine falcon]

try this
dodge slide to their side while they're not aggroed at you
run with relic blade
heavy charged with fotf into their heads
instakill

[placid fiber]

better adms do jack shit if your hit doesn't register, sadly...

[static sky]

Once you have aggro it’s pretty much over? They are like a 360 turret with no scope?

[stone fern]

ill hit u with a thammer and well see what doesnt register 😡

[placid fiber]

It would be hilarious if it didn't register

also death by thammer is the way to go

[stone fern]

im prolly explaining this badly but when chastise was armor downgrade ironhelm one tapped crusher but when it was changed to rending it didnt one shot them until its carapace adm was buffed

[placid fiber]

didn't they also buff its hp since then as well?

[stone fern]

no they buffed bulwark hp im talking about crushers

[misty nova]

Your best options are to suppress or stagger

[merry flume]

run n' gun, ghost, second wind

[carmine falcon]

bruh why would you do that

buffing the hp of the mf with a giant ass shield

[merry flume]

idk why the eyeslit isn't just a hitzone already

if you're worried about balance, make it where only crits will actually damage it through it?

[misty nova]

Woops meta becomes crits (always have been)

[stone fern]

because they removed the invisible shield it had, when did you start playing?

there was like a peroid of 3 weeks where ragers were dodgable and normal speed and bulwarks had no invis shield it was heaven....

[static sky]

For ogryns

[carmine falcon]

aftre unlocked and loaded im fairly new

[stone fern]

🚬 i wish they never buffed the rager speed

[carmine falcon]

my most played weapons utterly bully ragers
love me crusher love me relic

[atomic fjord]

Don’t tell the mods but I made some marvel rivals fan art

[misty nova]

Cheaper town hall 🗣️

Screw this character btw

[hollow hazel]

What is good on boltpistol?

[misty nova]

It's aight
I'm just Lord Peni (one of many)
I'll get the picture later

[misty nova]

I love these tickle monster memes 🗣️
Specially with BP, dude is dancing dashing doing lots of things just for no damage

[atomic fjord]

I make marvel rivals memes for fun

[merry flume]

i hate rivals because it turned into a hyperfixation for all of my competitive friends and i know in six months they'll stop playing it because the dopamine dump wore off. but i'll be the asshole if i ever bring it up how heated they got about this game

[steel agate]

you’ll be on the bench waiting for their high to wear off, nothin wrong with that

Preferences are diff for everyone so this is fine, I like rivals but I ain’t gonna force nobody to like it as well

[merry flume]

it went from them all playing together to "oh i can't make it today, i got something coming up" goes offline and plays ranked with another group of friends

[steel agate]

I got a discount curse on my rivals since it ain’t on my main drive, so I don’t even touch ranked due to me dealing with the 99% loading issue

Where at the start of the match id practically be a sitting duck for a solid 2-3 minutes

[stone fern]

tfw no excise vault

[carmine falcon]

i got the martyr skull on it today

[steel agate]

Makes not playing ranked all the more inclined for me to do if ima have people loudmicing me to fill in tank or support

[merry flume]

excise vault spawns are so busted on high intensity lmao

[steel agate]

Already got that enough in casual play

[wooden mulch]

What are some good weapons for stealth tree zealot

[steel agate]

A no brainer for me is one of the combat knifes, I prefer the vanguard one due to its block strike being a forward stab

[misty nova]

Not the chain weapons, that's for sure

[wooden mulch]

I've been using heavy EVISCERATOR

[acoustic dune]

A thammer

[wooden mulch]

And tactical axe

[steel agate]

Hard to keep backstabs flowing when your blade gets stuck in heretics imo

[acoustic dune]

Nyoh
Only thammer

[wooden mulch]

Both are ehhhh

[steel agate]

So I can see why higui suggests against it

[modern lintel]

top 10 fates worse then death

also the few times i played excise vualt last night someone triggered a dh guaranteed every time idk what the deal was

[tawny walrus]

Mutant resist was a misclick lol. Do you like the stam curio?

[violet hornet]

One of the benefits of the stealth build is doing a single big hit to an enemy to exit stealth. Chain weapons do their biggest damage when using the activated Rev, which would apply this stealth bonus damage to the first initial hit and not to the actual chainsaw ticks afterwards which do most of the damage

[copper hawk]

Does anyone have the video of the npc guy breaking character

[stone fern]

on ij yeah i like stamina tbh

[tawny walrus]

Hell ya. Thanks for the feedback!

[stone fern]

someone dced someone join me for free mats

[sullen forge]

Less the map, more the “pubbers can’t comprehend target priority”