zealot-class

[stable temple]

When you have half the spawns in the map on your ass and you're trying to revive 2/3 of your teammates, or when everyone else was neglecting the poor bastard and you just need to resist some bruisers long enough to get them up before the last 10% of their health drops.

[carmine falcon]

do i replace it with something or leave it as is

[drowsy steppe]

block efficiency on claw

[hard nexus]

sprint eff

frown

[carmine falcon]

what's wrong with sprint eff

[plush estuary]

playing today meow for our duo?

[stable temple]

Take 3 +5% toughness across the board: it's useful against 100% of enemies.

[hard nexus]

perslaps…..

it’ll be about 2 hours before i’m home from work though

[hard nexus]

you don’t need it, you regenerate stamina quickly enough that it doesn’t matter, you’ll have stamina when you need it

[nimble fiber]

perdabs

[remote lark]

stam regen
sprint also matters less when u do the move tech that most weapons can to do slide everywhere

[plush estuary]

2 tough, 1 stam/hp. 3 15 toughness 3 stam regen 3 gunner res. Best picks

[carmine falcon]

aigt what do i replace it with, literally everything else looks meme tier
mutie resistance? just dont get caught
pox bomber? block and push
against bombers? fotf the bozo
more ordo dockets? im swimming in cash
curios are kinda dooodoo

[frosty herald]

3 health we healthmaxxing over here

[sullen forge]

3 wound lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Jokes on you, noob, I have kinetic deflection, that res is happening whether you like it or not. 🚬

[remote lark]

not a realistic scenario because you can fotf into the group of bruisers to stun them while you revive

[carmine falcon]

aight we making it outta atoma with this one

[violet hornet]

3 wound curious, each with +exp, +dockets, and +sprint eff

[hard nexus]

gunner resist, toughness, health
is what i run on all my curios

3x toughness curios

[carmine falcon]

ok time to redit

[grizzled aspen]

By the way, chat, let it be known that Lumii crumbles if he doesn't have twbs.

[remote lark]

true and real
(i dont use twbs on zealot)

[grizzled aspen]

Fgs is not agreeing with your hands, then.

[remote lark]

im level 19

[grizzled aspen]

And? That doesnt change how the weapon works, noobling... 🚬

[frosty herald]

playing psyker is a good way to condition yourself for not having stun immunity

[remote lark]

i haven't used twbs since the gunner changes

[grizzled aspen]

So do you know your horde clear and how draw attacks work or no?

[remote lark]

no :)

[sullen forge]

Till you get above average with the class and just nuke everything consistently

[frosty herald]

gale i just realized why all of the marines look so damn good in astartes

[grizzled aspen]

Draw attacks happen when you do an input right after you equip your sword, mk8 does the same attack for both a light and heavy, and it chains into H1 of your horde clear. Horde clear is just H1, L2 loop.

[sterile basalt]

Only worth for veteran & ogryn due to them having slow stamina regen delay (1.0s)

Veteran can get much better with talent investment but they usually take away DPS/utility options elsewhere, so it’s not that worth outside of specific weapon (knife) or true solo

[frosty herald]

they all have a color tint relating to the enviroment

[sullen forge]

Passion project

[grizzled aspen]

If you go into single target looping, then you can spam lights until you get a light that swings from the left, and that will go back into H1, or you can block, push, and restart your combo from scratch.

[misty nova]

Nah no way
That sprint eff is too broken
Get a corruption resist or something on those 3 wounds

[remote lark]

now that i finally have a minute, i can tell you why gunner resist is necessary for like 99% of zealot builds @stable temple

• gunners / reapers are basically hitscan, you're avoiding guaranteed damage because you cannot realistically dodge slide (literally) everywhere or you'll get yourself killed
• gunners / reapers will stop you from reviving more than melee chaff enemies will unless you, the player, are playing wrong (or unless you take gunner resist!), therefore making your revives more reliable instead of having to stop for every gunner that spawns
• • fotf stuns enemies, by the way, you shouldn't really be getting interrupted by melees when reviving unelss you're trying to do it next to a rager blender or something stupid
• their dps output is also ridiculous, you'll go from 100-0 toughness in under 2 seconds without gunner eff, and if you're backed up against a wall or in any one of the situations where you cannot immediately turn around and kill the gunner, you will get stunned and die
• taking gunner resist also lets you drop TWBS alot more safely, as theres much less threat to your toughness being dropped and you getting stunned
• taking gunner resist also makes wide / open areas much safer
• it's mandatory for havoc because gunners can practically instantly kill you without it

[normal wren]

You mean you dont just spam lights for horde, and heavies for single targets?

[carmine falcon]

alright we running 2 sam regen 2 gunners 3 toughness 2 health
i will now solo havoc 40 with this newfound knowledge

[copper hawk]

Yo mama

[violet hornet]

genius

[hallow oxide]

Big facts on this one

[grizzled aspen]

imnotreadingallthat.gif

[remote lark]

can you play without it? yes
can you play without curio in general? also yes
should you? no :)

[hallow oxide]

Should I be running triple gunner resist? Currently only using two

[remote lark]

2 is fine, i often run 2 gunner 1 sniper resist

[grizzled aspen]

It's a 10% or so diff, not that big of a deal to not run a 3rd.

[carmine falcon]

i 2 maxxed everything except toughness

[hallow oxide]

Sniper resist would be nice

[remote lark]

the sniper resist thing is optional - i run it because sometimes i just get hitboxed and fucked over, so I don't really want to lose my until death just because darktide decided i was gonna get hit

[violet hornet]

sniper resist is nice if it can stop a single sniper round from breaking your toughness since iirc a sniper shot will deal its full damage again to your hp bar if it breaks your toughness

[spare talon]

dorn just made me do a trio boss maelstrom while im remoting into my home pc from university wifi

[stable temple]

That is a lot of explanation for enemies that you can take out in a few shots and not have to deal with anymore. It's in the same tier as bonus wounds on any loadout besides Martyrdom Zealots, which is just a case of "the better you are: the less you need it."

Without gunner res, you'll lose toughness "in two seconds."
With it, you'll lose toughness in a far more elite three seconds.

[frosty herald]

dickhead lmfao

[remote lark]

it cannot, snipers have a big toughness damage multiplier

• it'll stop you from dropping to 1hp

[hallow oxide]

I’m currently running triple toughness curios with extra toughness on all three, combat ability cooldown, and then two gunner resists if I’m remembering correctly

[remote lark]

you can take out any enemy in the game in 'a few shots', but you aren't always in a situation where you can
but considering that you were worried about bruisers when reviving, i suppose the opinion suits the player

[grizzled aspen]

This is just ragebait at this point. I refuse to believe someone can be this willfully ignorant without Tanner brainwashing them.

[copper hawk]

"The better you are" my lil blud it's a hitscan enemy it's going 2 hit u

[violet hornet]

I have definitely eaten a sniper round at full toughness and not taken hp damage before but it's certainly difficulty dependent

[stable temple]

Who the hell is Tanner?

[slate haven]

Greetings fellas

[remote lark]

tanner is a youtuber who's infamous for horrible opinions and takes + getting tilted when ppl call him out on it
he's like the devil here, ppl reference him when calling other people bad

[carmine falcon]

i saw a video of that one funny youtuber who was like "just dodge slide bro" yeah imma gonna dodgeslide million gunner in auric malestrom while getting ambushed from 100000 million other enemy types sure bro i dont have anything to do all day except drilling funny movement tech in

[slate haven]

Copium

[grizzled aspen]

You say you run auric damnation only without gunner resist? How often do you go down? I bet it's 2-3 times per match.

[remote lark]

i miss the days when nade wasn't in this server
sigh

[slate haven]

Just get better froggy

[spare talon]

tanner fans are also famous for takes such as
"IoD makes cdr curios 3x more effective"
"reapers arent elites"
"you cant stack skullcrusher to 8 alone"

[grizzled aspen]

Is that who these blocked messages are? That's funny.

[remote lark]

peepolaugh

[copper hawk]

[slate haven]

Frog built like a frog 😎😎😎

[grizzled aspen]

Wait, Tannerites actually think reapers aren't elites???

[sullen forge]

Getting hit with truth nukes unfortunately 🚬 (they’re all incredibly stupid for thinking that)

[carmine falcon]

why does a niche youtuber for a niche game have "Fans"

[spare talon]

"gunner resist doesnt work on reapers cuz they arent elites"
the are both elites and also affected by gunner dr

[slate haven]

How TF does AC current work

[remote lark]

@stable temple
it's one of those things where you don't need it, but you also don't need toughness in general
or tdr, right? just don't get hit :^)

it makes playing the game in most situations much easier than pretty much any other defensive pick you could have for that slot

you can play without it, and you can play around not having it, but for most people, in most situations, you will get the most value out of gunner resist because the game puts you in alot of situations where gunner resist will let you straight up ignore the gunner while you finish a revive, objective, cross the map, kill some melees, kill a reaper, etc

[hollow plank]

Oscillating current

[vast basin]

waves my dude

[stable temple]

I actually just got my Penance for 15 matches without downs while doing Brute Conscripts. Sweated hard for it too.

I'm not going to say I'm some top 10 percentile powergamer who should be selling her clips for profit (I still go down like . . . 1-2 times every two matches?), but like . . . I am mentally ill and get to do the Spectrumite stereotype of above-average situational awarness. That doesn't mean "reaction speed" or "accuracy", but I'm just generally good at finding the 1 crate or column in an entire warehouse that I can get behind between slide dodges to invalidate Scab/Dreg Gunners.

[remote lark]

refer to my above message, same response

[spare talon]

also when being told a flat unchanging 3.6s reduction to your max ability cooldown, then speeding up how fast that cool down timer refreshes by a factor of 3x, they do not realize that the effective real time that is saved by the curios becomes 1.2 seconds (the math laid out and video evidence proving this is ignored because "youre wrong thats not how it works")

[copper hawk]

R u playing Damnation ?

[carmine falcon]

this convo just proves that curios are doodoo and need a rework

[grizzled aspen]

I'm gonna be real, and this is the nicest way I can possibly say this, I think you're full of shit. One does not simply not run gunner resist and stay off the floor, the game, unfortunately, isn't structured that way.

[misty ravine]

not running curio drop chance
NGMI

[remote lark]

you can play around it, but that adds levels of difficulty that are unnecessary, and to say that gunner resist simply because you "can" cannibalize your playstyle to avoid gunners is bad is a complete lie

[violet hornet]

fuck that's even better than corruption resist lmao

[spare talon]

grim resist in non grim missions

[carmine falcon]

real question is why tf are gunners hitscan in a horde shooter where you're always out in the open

[grizzled aspen]

That's the end of my input on the conversation. Anything you say regarding gunner resist not being worth or being bad is willful ignorance, end of story.

[remote lark]

im neo bitch

[carmine falcon]

hello neo bitch, im john wick

[remote lark]

@plush estuary pray u never queue into a game with me

[grizzled aspen]

655 damage taken
3 downs

[plush estuary]

I know neo. @tepid dome

[misty ravine]

Because its either that or give them random accuracy, and then you have the Helldivers 2 situation where Heavy Devastators can't hit the broad side of a barn until they roll the nat 20 and nail you with 5 hits in a quarter of a second

[spare talon]

my favorite part of gunner resist is it makes them completely irrelevent as enemies outside of havoc
i can straight up just ignore them cuz their damage to me is halved

[vast basin]

atleast rocket devastators dont have infinite ammo anymore

[hallow oxide]

I’m gonna go home and attempt some games on my charge zealot tactical axe build

[remote lark]

fr?

[violet hornet]

so that you have something to hit your toughness bar a lil before you immediately cap it off by killing melee chaff

[fleet zealot]

to give a fixed gameplay loop

[sullen forge]

They can’t comprehend the fact you’ll be sliding so it technically extends that duration of a grace period to get to cover even further like 1.2 seconds is still pretty fucking huge

[stable temple]

I just don't know what to tell you. I haven't hit Havoc 30, but like . . . I just play squirrelier than most folks I guess.

Again, I prefer the perks that are useful against the majority of the enemies the majority of the time, and haven't used Gunner Resist since a bit after Blessings of the Omnissiah when I thought it was effective against anything with a bullet.

I'd imbed playtime or penance ranking or Truelevel 130+ on all four classes, but you know how it is with Zealot Chat.

[carmine falcon]

or just do it projictle based like drg? ranged units there will still fuck up up but them shooting (fast) projectiles means your movement skills can save your ass

[spare talon]

jarvis play that clip where i am diving gunners with a tac axe and receiving 1 damage from gunner shots

[vast basin]

last I check ya

[remote lark]

is this for fotf

[misty ravine]

I would also guess that projectiles are much more computationally expensive

[fleet zealot]

of dodging/sliding/suppressing.

[spare talon]

any 30s cooldown

[carmine falcon]

im ngl elites rarely hit me, i always have a fotf saved just to dive them and make them switch to melee
its the random shitters that spawn behind your back in squads and arent affected by the curios

[remote lark]

[copper hawk]

I dont think the engine could handle it

[fleet zealot]

Las and Bullets aren't projectiles and it would extremely weird for them to be such

[plush estuary]

who cares what arty runs, as long as they dont tell other newer players to run it

[violet hornet]

if they weren't hitscan they'd hit you even less often

[remote lark]

noo you dont understand!!
If everyone doesn't run meta they're bad !!!
stoooop!

[stable temple]

(If you wanna talk about things that actually down me more than gunners, it's

1. A single Scab bruiser I didn't know was there hitting me from behind and somehow deleting all my health in one go
2. Being surrounded by poxers as a Crusher winds up to flatten me like a cartoon character
3. A dog jumping on me and no teammates turning around for three minutes)

[spare talon]

flashback to my knife build with all stam and sprint eff and stam regen and i told people to never do that

[carmine falcon]

google game engine
Bitsquid
oh no no no no no no no wot da hylll oh my gaaahhhdd no wayayayayayaay

[grizzled aspen]

The conversation was "what is the generalist set of curios for zealout." Pretty sure at least 2 gunner resists sit in there, somewhere.

[mighty root]

You can run anything you want as long as it fits your play style and compliments it

[plush estuary]

not even, skuddie has a 0 curio character

[drowsy steppe]

Wrong.

I will not elaborate

[fleet zealot]

The current system works fine, gives about the same amount of counter options as melee fighting does, keeping the philosophy the same between melee/ranged

[copper hawk]

Nah block cost reduction, critchance w barkskin is the best generalist curio.. wait wrong game

[mighty root]

Also I’m so sorry @plush estuary last night I got home and crashed

[spare talon]

1. is assisted by the fact that gunners enable bruiser chip damage, reducing that reduces chip damage
   2 and 3 are irrelevent to curios in their entirety

[violet hornet]

totally not a skill issue

[copper hawk]

It's futile cole

Go practice vt2 cole u noob..

[fleet zealot]

gunners and reapers serving more as "punishers" for poor gameplay, shotgunners serving as knockback and high damage threats, and shooters/stalkers serving as consistent damage sources

[mighty root]

I need to do that

[stable temple]

I cannot stress enough how badly I deplore the Meta. My main Veteran build is Machine Pistol/Shovel and Ogryn is my favorite class. I wish the dueling sword stayed with Psyker.

I just think that Gunner/Sniper Resistance is a bit of a trap unless you're dedicated to like . . . double-barrels and flamethrowers.

[vague depot]

Cole needs to learn to appreciate the Bret longsword more

[hard nexus]

gunner res is bad

(this is with gunner res)

[copper hawk]

Machine pistol..

[plush estuary]

based

[fleet zealot]

ferret picture being dropped in psyker chat

[misty ravine]

Same engine as the Tide games, but Darktide uses (mostly) hitscan for shooting so they can afford to throw more enemies at players. Helldivers insists on meticulous ballistic simulation (that also leads to ridiculously unrealistic outcomes, like getting more damage by diving forward while shooting your missile launcher in order gain extra damage to hit certain one-shot breakpoints)

[stable temple]

It's the funniest gun in the game. It's just intensely satisfying to magdump in a direction and stagger/ragdoll every enemy in that direction.

[plush estuary]

its fine what you think, but gunner res is best in slot for every character and build

[fleet zealot]

ehh i think psykers can easily drop it

[hard nexus]

gunner res is good because most other perks are just mediocre, and you will always be taking some toughness damage from gunners at some point in a match

it’s not a crutch, it just helps zealot survive better while in melee while getting shot it, that’s all

[copper hawk]

What would u even drop it for

[fleet zealot]

both shields and empathetic evasion, if you have a consistent way to use those

[carmine falcon]

helldivers physics are pretty damn funny buti only started playing recently
im just surprised fatshark is using a literal discontunued engine lol that's all

[plush estuary]

mutie res cause they like getting pounded

[remote lark]

mee :3

[copper hawk]

Freakz.

[fleet zealot]

sniper i guess, hp tough obv, or go some ability cdr cause someone will defend your choice

[hard nexus]

sniper res is bad in my humble opinion

idk why i said humble i am not being humble about this

[frosty herald]

just dodge

[carmine falcon]

just knife lmao

[sullen forge]

The only time I can argue it is if you’re somehow a magnet for clueless teammate collaterals

[misty ravine]

If that's what the team knows it's what the team knows. For all I know it's probably diverged so far from Bitsquid at the point it was discontinued that it might as well be proprietary

[stone fern]

snipers arent an issue on human classes tho i do use sniper resist on ogryn

[plush estuary]

cue dorn clip of a sniper hitting 3 people in a line

[long oasis]

sprint efficiency

[carmine falcon]

every zealot should dedicate 30 minutes of their time to get used to knife arch and u will never have to worry about snipers

[sullen forge]

Clueless teammate collaterals!

[misty ravine]

oh_baby_a_triple.wav

[fleet zealot]

psyker doesn't even need that they have fast asf stam regen and Kinetic Deflection

[plush estuary]

I was the 4th person who saw it happen

[carmine falcon]

at least its not unreal fkn engine 5
imagine darktide with ue5 stutters

[fleet zealot]

psyker just needs a single +3 stam curio and all their stam issues are solved for all builds imo.

[plush estuary]

+9 stam

[fleet zealot]

or generalize corruption resistance since psyker has some of the lowest HP pool

[misty ravine]

It's the Current Year and we don't need to optimize anything, AI Will Fix It inshallah

[nimble fiber]

bread

[carmine falcon]

wallahi im tired brother

[long oasis]

yea but what if wanted to run for extended periods of time

[stable temple]

You'll be taking toughness damage, sure: that's what the Toughness curios and perks are for. Hell, Chorus and Shout and Shield and FotF and Charge and Stealth all help with that.

Stamina regen makes sure you can just . . . slide past the nonesense.

When you can out-slide a room with six gunners so long as you're choosing to fight a horde in a chokepoint like a doorway or around pillars and walls instead of the center of an empty Costco: it kinda loses its charm.

At that point, my mindest goes from

What Curio will help me if I'm fired-on by three gunner simultaneously while I'm out of cover, stamina, dodges, and am swarmed on all sides by enemies
and becomes
What Curio will I use for the other 95% of the game since the above would kill me even if I could take a fourth Gunner Resistence perk?

[fleet zealot]

just do it

you can sprint at 0 stam and it's still faster than walking

[frosty herald]

full health curio with toughness health and gunner resistance

[heady rapids]

ppl still arguing over curio perks when +xp +dockets +curio chance exist? lmao

[north sedge]

I run an italian curio with +oil +vinegar +salt and pepper efficiency

[frosty herald]

PEAKPEAKPEAKPEAKPEAK

[stable temple]

• Curio chance makes sure that you have enough curios to switch to whichever someone says is the best choice in this chat today.

[hard nexus]

you don’t need stamina to slide

gunner resist is just to help prevent chip damage while in melee, that’s what it’s most effective at, it allows zealot to almost entirely ignore gunners while in melee, which means zealot can be significantly more effective whilst engaging in melee combat

zealot doesn’t really need stamina regen to start with anyway, the regen delay is the second lowest, behind psyker, and you almost always have stamina when you need it, even if you’re running desperation for a PA centric build

[frosty herald]

i can tank a reaper for like 4 seconds with gunner resis as opposed to dying within 1 second cause they looked at me

[vast basin]

also getting hit by ranged also gives you stamina

[hard nexus]

#zealot-class message

[misty nova]

When less than 50% stamina

[remote lark]

you ignoring what i said when i explained why you're wrong invalidates anything you're saying
I addressed this all already
stop cherry picking

[stable temple]

Almost entirely ignore
If you could take 2 seconds of chip damage before, you can now take 3.
If only a few shots in every volley landed, you'd be able to extend 5 seconds to about seven.

I don't think those seconds are worth 2-3 slots.

[plush estuary]

⭕ gone full circle

[frosty herald]

go into havoc 40 without gunner resist and get oneshotted by a single reaper within 0.2 seconds

[hard nexus]

look at the link i posted just a bit higher up, in response to yamato

the gunner is dealing like 6 damage per shot, its genuinely nothing

[stable temple]

That's down from about 9, then. I don't see the point.

[frosty herald]

gunner resistance gives you time to react to an otherwise undodgeable enemy unless you break line of sight or stagger it as opposed to every other elite and specialist being able to be dodged

[hard nexus]

had that clip not had gunner res i would’ve been dead lmfao

[hard nexus]

also when i say chip damage, i mean chip damage from melee attacks while below 100% toughness

taking less toughness damage from gunners means you can stay at 100% easier, meaning when you make a mistake or just take a random hit, you won’t take any health damage

[frosty herald]

cyn no health damage ruthless in sm2

[hard nexus]

no i’ll just carry h40s with a mk3 evis, thanks though

[carmine falcon]

are they gonna update sm2 today or wot

[hard nexus]

no just to spite you

[carmine falcon]

im very spited

[misty nova]

He's spitten

[hard nexus]

i’m smitten, with love

[stable temple]

See, this is the point I was trying to make:

If not for Gunner Resistence, then I would have been dead when a Mutant grabbed me by the back of the head and placed my mouth tenderly against the barrel of a Gunner's machinegun from point-blank range after I had decided to charge them across one of the longest and straightest points anywhere in the entire game, despite having a gun that could kill them in one shot. This situation happens all of the time, meaning you can't afford to not take Gunner Resistence.

It's like me posting a five-minute video where I was hopped on by a hound with 3 Hound Resist perks while the rest of my team went through a Martyr's Skull puzzle without a walkthrough, and remembered I existed at the end of it.

[sullen forge]

Chudmarines 2: nothing ever happens

[frosty herald]

most likely early february

[heady rapids]

early february and late february
2 patches

[frosty herald]

explain

[hard nexus]

i was giving an extreme obvious example of gunner resist being extremely effective, i never said it was representative of the game in all situations

if you choose to interpret anything i say as so, then that’s your choice i suppose

[heady rapids]

wym explain ii laid it all out pretty clear
we have 2 patches for this season (runs till the end of winter)
2nd one will be a pack a map and a weapon

[hard nexus]

alright but when r they gonna make sm2 good

[carmine falcon]

it already is

[north sedge]

Sm2 was pretty good already

[hard nexus]

wrong that game STINKS

[frosty herald]

wait WHAT where did the new weapon come from this is supposed to be the research centre new enemy and new pvp stuff alongside raven guard

[carmine falcon]

imma need to find people for new diff cause lethal with randoms = i would rather die

[heady rapids]

check the roadmap silly.......

[stable temple]

In the final piece of DLC, Titus heroically dies after 1v1ing a Norn Emmissary and we get to start SM3 as a Lamenter Primaris (or some new Neonate made from a mix of Titus and Robute Guilliman's own geneseed).

[frosty herald]

season 4 isnt coming at the end of february

[carmine falcon]

WRONG and FALSE and UNTRUE!!

[heady rapids]

for the love of christ homie check the roadmap

[hard nexus]

i think they should update it to have first person, then make us normal humans fighting in a hive city, and have actually good representation of weapons

hmm,,. deja vu…,,..

[frosty herald]

WAIT WHAT HOW WHY AND WHEN I THOUGH IT WAS A SINGLE PATCH

[heady rapids]

no s3 is 2 big patches

[carmine falcon]

darktide's amazing representation of the weapons be like "little dinky nano knife rips through tanks"

[heady rapids]

the pve map will be something something sand something trygon

[frosty herald]

||season 4 is salamanders🤫 ||

[heady rapids]

ok back to playing hello kitty

[carmine falcon]

sm2 just needs to update bolters other than that its as good as it can get for a throwback xbox 360 wannabe game tbh
itll never reach the autistic design of tide games

[frosty herald]

I CAN FINALLY PLAY AS A DARK KRAKEN😭 😭 😭 I NEED THE PROLOGUE DEATHWACH OPERATIVE ARMOR

[hard nexus]

but at least a thunder hammer feels powerful

and a bolter kills things in only a shot or two

and plasma gun isn’t a grenade launcher for some reason

and the game is fun

and melee combat is good

and ranged enemies engage in melee instead of point blanking you

[grizzled aspen]

Bro.

[remote lark]

@grizzled aspen i've lost almost 20lb over the last 2 weeks cause of my sickness

[frosty herald]

cyn its a different game using a different gameplay loop trust me once you get positioning down alongside little tricks youll get it such as shooting your gun so tyranids start attacking for free parries

[hard nexus]

ok but why would i do that when i just don’t enjoy how the game plays whatsoever

[sullen forge]

Ranged enemies actively engage in melee when you get close? What…….. telling me you don’t enjoy the Tyranid ranged prefer shooting instead of meleeing

[grizzled aspen]

Damn, that's bad. Go get you something else to eat rq then, I'll wait.

[remote lark]

i feel like ordering food... like a real american....
hamburbur...

[carmine falcon]

thunder hammer rips everything in sm2
bolters needs rework, true and people have been asking for it, everything except stalker and heavy bolter should do more lethal dmg
plasma weapons kill everything with right builds (like 1 actual viable build lmao)
it is fun
melee is weird, i destroy everything with melee but i have to rely on stombs, parries and shoulder bashes more than the actual chainsaws, it feels like they gimped normal attacks on purpose to make u use the entire kit
ranged engage in melee plenty, only chaos marines dont do it often and that will get fixed

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[heady rapids]

tyranids are smarter than hive gangers........

[hard nexus]

it’s literally like the #1 tabletop rule, ranged units cannot shoot when in melee combat

SO WHY DO THE TYRANIDS DO THAT GRROOOWWLWLLLLLL

[spare talon]

Well I'm smarter than both cuz I'm actually real

[remote lark]

cole isn't real

[grizzled aspen]

Order mexican food.

[hard nexus]

false, you were invented by aquino

[heady rapids]

consider the fact that you're comparing release space marine w/ darktide in its current state 🙂

[carmine falcon]

nid elites always melee me idk, same with the scrubbers, they added a new mechanic where little shitters will attack more often and u can parry them infinitely to get armor charges back

[frosty herald]

different strokes for different folks all im gonna say about sm2

[carmine falcon]

oh im not comparing at all im the one sucking the game's nuts
i never expect this game to reach darktide level in terms of complex mechanics cause its not that type of game

[remote lark]

noobmato what do u play in poe2

[hard nexus]

i’m ngl i haven’t played since launch and i beat the campaign

the changes ive heard seem good but, i really don’t think it’d be enough for me to like the game

[north sedge]

the bosses in sm2 feel like actual events which is nice

[heady rapids]

i wish for more chaos bosses

[carmine falcon]

campaign is legit gimped cause u cant use all the good perks from ops
the perks (that are getting reworked too) are what makes u shred everything but for some reason they are limited to the pve mode???
make it make sense (i cant)

[stable temple]

(TBH, I think that DT could do with a lot more passives on weapons. Blessings are cool and all, but when one of the few justifications for Guard vs Space Marines in the setting is that Lasguns essentially chip 1% of the armor from whatever they hit and that Bolters are bad at killing Space Marines, it's weird that there's no passive brittleness damage on Lasweapons and that Bolters are so decent against Carapace)

[carmine falcon]

but yeah like i said before, this is a wannabe throwback ebin action shooter where the focus is simplified everything and fun hard hitting action, the opposite of darktide's 1 million ways to describe dmg and armor types

[hard nexus]

a lot of it is that operations feel super repetitive, they have nowhere near the same randomness as darktide, so they lack a lot of replayability to me

[north sedge]

it is weird that the coop is the more complex gameplay compared to the campaign

[spare talon]

ninjago_zane.gif

[remote lark]

did tintin get banned and i only just now noticed

[heady rapids]

is it? its meant to be the main part of the game

[frosty herald]

melee mercenairy and lightning monk

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, quite a while ago.

[north sedge]

but yea it's just you know, a pretty direct sequel to space marine 1, polished up, a bit more modern, but definitely heavily rooted in that game

[remote lark]

what he do

[hard nexus]

the carapace we fight isn’t really comparable to space marine armor

[carmine falcon]

the replayability basically comes from playing with different classes (they are a lot more limited with a defined role) and just liking the actual gameplay loop, its not as replayable as darktide true
i jump on sm2 for a week every month or so cause i like the game but its not as addicting as dorkshite

[grizzled aspen]

I don't remember.

[frosty herald]

randomized layouts for sm2 would be goated but they do wanna have modifiers in the game (NOT TIGHT FORMATION)

[heady rapids]

wonder if they'll drop modifiers with the new difficulty

[carmine falcon]

astrates overhaul mod is basically darktiding sm2
i hope devs add some stuff from it

[frosty herald]

gonna have to use beaky helmet on my assault and make malum caedo

[carmine falcon]

more randomization, new mechanics like calling for backups and dreadnaughts, using weapons not released yet from source files, changing gameplay loop from fighting tankier enimies into darktide style bruh weed lmao wave count ect

[fleet zealot]

new ferret picture in psyker chat dropped

[frosty herald]

hopefully the new weapon will be a 2 hander

[hard nexus]

hordes overall just need to be sooooo much denser (and melee needs to be fixed)

why are the planetary consumers only throwing like, 50 nids at a time at the marines??

[carmine falcon]

i need them to add a big STICK TOGETHER DUMBASSES screen whenever people boot up the game
sm2 is so much easier when people actually fight as a unit and cover each other's design weakness

[frosty herald]

lower healthpools and bigger hordes

[heady rapids]

and lower framerates

[carmine falcon]

they are pretty dense in lethal diff tbh
ive been reaching really high kill counts past updates, idk how they can go higher without killing my pc cause i tank into the 30s on a 5900x

the real thing that makes sm2 hordes seem lacking in enemy type is.....muh lore accurate faction split
nids maps have nids types, chaos maps have chaos types, why not just mix all
combine all and u have a lot of variety

[stone fern]

because SM2 isnt built for density its built for people to soyjack at kill cams

[frosty herald]

I LOVE EXECUTING ENEMIES I DO NOT CARE IF ITS SUB OPTIMAL

[carmine falcon]

glory kills are literally the best thing every yes i will soypog

[violet hornet]

I love getting shit on while gun striking

[carmine falcon]

skill issue, never happens to me

knowing when to take your gun strikes and when to go for glory kills is like one of the few things u gotta think about while you're going unga bunga in the whole game

time glory kills and u can take on ifninite majores numbers

[frosty herald]

abusing tf out of execution invincibility

[heady rapids]

remember sm1 when you kept taking damage during executions lmao

[violet hornet]

It's just silly that gun striking works the way it does since you can aim a normal shot and probably kill a gun-strikable target with a lot less risk, it's almost never worth it from my experience

[heady rapids]

armor and aoe stagger i think???

[violet hornet]

also hilarious that it works while your pistol is empty

[misty ravine]

The Emperor loads my chamber

[carmine falcon]

I think it's just about doing it at the right time, the marker lasts like 5 seconds? or so and that gives me enough time to see if im gonna get jumped or not
its risk reward thing and will always give you an armor point back so worth taking

[sullen forge]

Remember when gun strikes were a death sentence cause the chaff could instantly delete your HP lmao

[frosty herald]

they still do gotta time your shots

[carmine falcon]

sm2 just gotta rework temp health to not be shit if u dont have a bulwark on your team and we gucci (or just replace the entire system with darktide's lmaooo)

[copper hawk]

I remember dawn and ancient crashing out on me for expressing the opinion that if your gunstrike is a FINISHER it should give u some iframes

This video gameia shit aint no game bruh..

[carmine falcon]

i mean, iframes on glory kills, iframes on gunstrikes, you might as well never die
you can just do run attadck + melee and get an insta gunstrike with iframes whenver there's any danger wooo

[hexed igloo]

Anything involving a big animation should give iframes

[carmine falcon]

come on fellas i expect tiders to be able to handle simplistic ahh mechanics

[opaque island]

dont e xecutions already give i frames?

[hexed igloo]

With no iframes give me one reason to do gunstrikes

[sullen forge]

My issue was chaffe hitting you once and all your armor is instantly gone, they changed that and I’ve instantly preferred the combat loop now

[carmine falcon]

you do have a reason, free armor back, u can be full unga bunga ape mode and get all ur armor back with gunstrikes and chaff parries

[violet hornet]

ahh I don't think I have played since this change

[hexed igloo]

It's like waaaah parrying deflects attacks!!!!! Might as well just run around parrying everything

[carmine falcon]

yeah chaff rework was a blessing, ranged ones no longer delete you, melee ones chip away instead of killing you outright and u can parry them for free armor back

[frosty herald]

ngl it would be extremely strong cause you can just sprint attack every minoris to get free gunstrikes

[grizzled aspen]

Chat, nerd emoji has overtaken mpreg as my most used emoji...

[violet hornet]

Yeah it was hard to justify a gun strike for 1 armor point when stopping at any time meant losing any armor you had to chaff anyway

[opaque island]

good

[hexed igloo]

Anything that locks you in place and stops you from defending yourself should give iframes

[copper hawk]

Yah i know but they fuckin lost their minds at me

[carmine falcon]

people say melee sucks in sm2 but the game begs the player t oget in range, get them parries on majories and minories and abuse gunstrikes and get ez headshots with guns over going full ranged unless u play heavy or sniper

[copper hawk]

The melee is super boring in sm2 and super easy

[frosty herald]

public enemy meowner 1

[hexed igloo]

I'm ngl if it's pve I don't mind shit like that, esp when I'm a fuckin space marine I wanna feel like a space marine yk

[copper hawk]

I wish there were just more enemies

[frosty herald]

we will see what patch 7 brings with the biovore

[carmine falcon]

i like the melee
it just needs dmg buff but i like the loop of parrying everything and timing stuff right and offense tools like stomps shoulder bashes revved up strikes ect

[violet hornet]

it's just too slow, the concept itself is fine

[hexed igloo]

I wish there was a bigger sword and more chaff to cut down like wheat

[copper hawk]

Only time melee feels difficult is if there's a terminator shooting at you from a distance or a tyranid warrior w the green needle rifle thing shooting you

[violet hornet]

imo sm1 had better gameplay but I'm biased because orkz is da best

[frosty herald]

blocking is still ass cause yknow no one wants to replace parrying with something else

[sullen forge]

It should’ve given a “Hyper armor” state where it just increases your over all damage reduction

[misty nova]

So what I'm getting is
That I should go play Dead Rising 3 any time soon

[copper hawk]

Damage reduction ?? In my melee game ?? Noo..

[violet hornet]

yeah getting nailed from 4 miles away by a venom cannon was specifically what I was thinking of when saying gunstrike is riskier than the reward

[carmine falcon]

u do feel like a powerful space marine unironically, yes we are squishier than we should for gameplay balance reasons but once u get good enough to barely getting hit u run around deleting everything and feel like a god
ruthless is now ez mode for me

[copper hawk]

Yah, those beam rifle things arent as bad as the like burst fire green needle ones though imo

[violet hornet]

squishier than we should be but can still survive a hit from a carnifex or chaos dread in melee 🤔

[copper hawk]

The green needle warriors will 100 - 0 you in less than a second in one burst because the game hasnt a clue about damage consistency

[violet hornet]

devourer?

[frosty herald]

like ok block weapons still have the issue that you replace parrying which is arguably your strongest tool in melee

[carmine falcon]

u just take a lot of dmg on ruthless and lethal from majories
u could say well akswally a marine should tank more but u also have enough tools to legit not get hit at all

[hexed igloo]

"Well no the unstoppable tank being made of paper is actually fine because you can just not get hit"

[carmine falcon]

block weapons are weird, u deal waaaay more dmg and the block charge thing is nice but the game is BUILT around parries
remove the stupid balance, fencing, block shit, make it balanced with harder timings and higher dmg and fencing with easier timings and lower dmg

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2/clips/j7AkVJYEOvrAUg2cW/spok?invite=cr-MSxqekEsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2/clips/j7AlsFrpHMXT8dBbb/spok?invite=cr-MSxaeXYsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
Only time melee feels cooler than dt tbh

[frosty herald]

no fucking do this give block weapons a thight parry window thats all you need to do give them the ability to parry in any capacity even small and you fix the entire weapon class

[carmine falcon]

never said its fine, id love an entire rework, im just saying u still feel like a god and cna solo entire waves, u just need to focus on positining and mobility and parries over tanking cause being a tank isnt viable if you're not bulwark

[copper hawk]

Yah

[hexed igloo]

Eh sm2 isn't that good to have me learn all that shi

[carmine falcon]

well up to you
i liked it enough to learn it but i can understand people not wanting to bother since dorkshite is better mechanically and they can just play that

[violet hornet]

we love getting filled with maggots

[sullen forge]

Block weapons are so ass it’s not even funny

[hexed igloo]

Jokes on you bozo I don't play either

[frosty herald]

block weapons were a mistake cause literally no one uses them

[sullen forge]

Extra damage to literally never benefit off of a core mechanic you need to use to survive LMAO

[carmine falcon]

ill take this, i get shat on for saying parrying in this game is piss ez and needs to be tighter so making it actually tight on block weapons would be great
in it's current state balance is too slow, block removes your best defense so both need grouping into 1 class

[hexed igloo]

It's like dark souls giving you a ring that gives +20% damage but removes rolling

[sullen forge]

We call those baits

[carmine falcon]

i made it work but it was too much effort
u deal a lot more raw base dmg and a lot more dmg with block charges but its legit so much effort id rather play parry

[grizzled aspen]

Or the "fuck you" calamity ring from ds3. (All it does is make you take 20% more damage)

[hexed igloo]

That's my favorite ring in the game tbh it's so funny

[violet hornet]

what weapons in sm2 are block weapons?

[frosty herald]

actualy very wrong it gives you -100 in every physical resistance

[carmine falcon]

all weapons have fencing, block and balance varients

[violet hornet]

ahh okay I didn't really stick with it long enough to make that connection, thanks

[carmine falcon]

fencing = highest parry window, highest speed, lower dmg
balance = can do everything with tighter windows, highest dmg, slow speed
blocking = u get balance dmg and fencing speed but no parry

[hexed igloo]

Also wrong it gives you -100% in all absorptions, it's "receive double damage"

[grizzled aspen]

Erm, actually, it's -100% to all absorption! ☝️ 🤓

[remote lark]

FROG STOP TYPING AND ACCEPT THE QUEUE

[grizzled aspen]

I did, you noob. Yell at your bf instead, smh.

[remote lark]

i know i just wanted to burn your 30s timer making you respond to that

[grizzled aspen]

You have made a fool of me for the last time.

[hexed igloo]

I love when games don't say who hasn't readied up so you're all just yelling at each other while one guy is taking a piss

[sullen forge]

Small brain yelling big brain smiling

[frosty herald]

i love crack

[uneven galleon]

Bro loves crack

[sullen forge]

What the fuck?!

[carmine falcon]

how 2 tactical 101
noooo my bolterino is not doing enough damgerino!!!
alright young man simply get in, parry all these mfs for free auspex, then auspec the rest and fire away

[copper hawk]

Bro visited his friend

[frosty herald]

let me hover with my jump pack in sm2 operations

[carmine falcon]

u will have gimped jumpback and you will like it

[copper hawk]

SERVANTS OF THE CORPSE GOD CLAIMED THE OBJECTIVE

[carmine falcon]

wait i replied to my own post instead of this
This is tactical 101

[grizzled aspen]

Oh also @frosty herald calamity ring is double damage taken on top of 100% absorption removal, and this applies to debuffs as well. Clutch rings, which normally debuff 15% absorption, will instead debuff 30% with calamity ring equipped.

[frosty herald]

skibidi dee dee dee skibidi dee dee dee

[nimble basin]

Anyone has made or got any Eviscerator/Bistol builds? I've been working on this one but I am still not that wel versed in building in this game.

https://gyazo.com/ab8385ed37bd56f52f57b917eb77898e

[copper hawk]

@hard nexus

@nimble basin #psyker-class message

[nimble basin]

Hell yeah thanks

[sullen forge]

Still think it’s a fucking crime the CSM Vanguard isn’t an Emperors Children

[fleet zealot]

it's a crime they haven't pumped the brakes on legion/class locks in sm2

like okay, i get limiting some legions from some classes, but jfc especially chaos it's just stupid I WANT TO BE ALPHA LEGION EVERYTHING

[sullen forge]

Oh yeah they promised they’d do something about that- and then they didn’t LMAO

[frosty herald]

Were getting a chaos marine season for cosmetics so it wouldnt surprise me if horde mode has chaos vs nids

[misty ravine]

I mean, you could play literally anything and say you're Alpha Legion

[sullen forge]

Holy peak

[hexed igloo]

Peakborne mentioned

[lean lark]

my sweet tactical.... the lethal hive tyrant four shot plasma was so funny

[carmine falcon]

auspex scan my beloved

[stone fern]

brutes high shock hab dreyko anyone down?

[copper hawk]

WAYNE JUNE DIED NOOOOOOOH

[mighty root]

I think people like sm2 just because it says space marine and it it’s like the neuron activation meme

Me personally I hate space marines and most people who gawk/worship at them are insufferable

Darktide is just better

[frosty herald]

Guh

[violet hornet]

honestly having space marines thrown at the community in every game feels tiring, they've been in the spotlight since dawn of war 1 dropped in 2004. I definitely get more excited seeing almost any other faction featured in a 40k game now

[mighty root]

I like the regular humans and abhumans

[opaque island]

give me an ork game where its like they are billions but IM the billions

[violet hornet]

I've thought about making and pitching my own ork raiding game tbh, it would absolutely slap

[mighty root]

I think psykers and catachans are the coolest thing ever

But big space man! Dude the black rage!

[opal star]

pikmin

[opaque island]

okay but like give me more pikmin and make it brutal

[opal star]

you say it like pikmin wasn’t brutal
those mfs were in the trenches

[violet hornet]

this was an element of the game design I was planning

I mean in the lore orks grow in the ground, it seems like a perfect fit

[opal star]

who yoinks them out of the ground

[mighty root]

I do

[opaque island]

pikmin 2 is the peak of this for sure, pikmin 4 feels less brutal

[opal star]

wtf put them back

[mighty root]

Pikmin are the strongest soldiers

[carmine falcon]

idk a lot of games feature stuff more than space marines. darktide, rogue trader, necorumda something, mechanicus ect all feature none marine factions

[mighty root]

Yeah but most people’s exposure to 40k is space marine

Look at the catachans bro why don’t we have a game about them

[opal star]

and all they know is space marine
and all the space marine fans shove their stupid space marine faces into everything

[mighty root]

I mean we do it’s our vet reject he’s our catachan

[opal star]

for the same joke
the same fucking joke
heresy this, kill xenos that

[drifting wolf]

zog it all

[mighty root]

Zog it all

[opal star]

how about you go follow gulliman and learn excel so you can get a JOB

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

[median steeple]

blub
meow
blub

[carmine falcon]

well they're cool as fuck even if the diehards can hate the overexposure
shorts like astrates and secret level making them look rad as hell is also a reason
but i do agree the universe is rich with cool shit that deserves more exposure

[opal star]

this slowmode makes having a convo such a pain in the ass

[mighty root]

I once saw a catachan comissar and he looked like a male stripper with a leather trench coat and it sadden me

[opal star]

send screenshot

[plush estuary]

oh wait

[stone fern]

yeah send a screenshot right here

[carmine falcon]

one of the biggest appeals of darktide to me is u get to play as an imperial guards trooper (king shit), a schizo embrah loving zealot, a schizo harry potter and a big muscly man and u fight lower tier enimies in the looore and yet it still feels amazing af

[opal star]

average darktide psyker would wipe the floor with prime Harry Potter

[drifting wolf]

the so called all-powerful space marine when me and my fellow feral boiz chop em' up with our hackas and zoggem' up proppa like the git e' is

[violet hornet]

Yeah they are moving towards featuring other factions lately which is good but these games are all pretty recent

[tight fog]

noooo wtff???

[opal star]

who’s that

[stone fern]

played with 2 ogryn larpers just now neither did any objectives
i was gonna say smthin but i suppose ogryns cant work survo skulls

[carmine falcon]

i mean dawn of war had all kinds of factions and thats like the most popular warhammer game series outside all the boring ahh bad indues

[tight fog]

narrator for darkest dungeon

[carmine falcon]

lore accurate ogryn simple as sah

[drifting wolf]

consider yourself blessed

[violet hornet]

Absolutely, but the campaign featured them heavily. The expansions did well including the others but often at the cost of a campaign narrative which is reserved for the Marines (with the exception of winter assault which featured IG, eldar, CSM, and Ork missions)

[opal star]

damn

[copper hawk]

the Ancestor from darkest dungeon

[opaque island]

subterranean castle

[tawny walrus]

I wanna play the game where I'm the guy that lights all the candles on the ship

[misty nova]

Candle Clicker

[nimble fiber]

u can do that in sot actually
(its lantern's but 🤫 )

[violet hornet]

I like to make the lanterns blue and red, then yell at ships that we're the police and they need to stop for us to examine their holds

[frosty herald]

nitro trial

[sullen forge]

Wolp

[nimble fiber]

good shit
Lil sir bean mc beanington
good shit

[violet hornet]

The funniest is when you do it, they actually stop, and you look in, take nothing, and let them go

They better not have them illicit potted plants on board tho

[copper hawk]

pitro

[modern lintel]

i had a dream i could understand cats and i kept trying to talk to them but they couldnt understand me what does this mean chat

[nimble fiber]

widtro

[red mesa]

anyone else pushing like 250k plasteel now that havoc is dumping 30k on me a week for a single match or so lol

[tawdry leaf]

youre going insane

[median steeple]

@hard nexus can I have a zealot build to leech of off you, I need one that fits the new drip

[copper hawk]

that sounds vry subjective ,, considerin ur drip STINKZ ! :3

[median steeple]

rage

[copper hawk]

https://play.spotify.com/track/4cYChrn6KB3u5yKQJ1vVde?si=6543bf7c0a644d77 @hard nexus

[frozen kernel]

Wayne June has passed away and I am very not cash money today

[white kernel]

Sounds like you lack faith in the Emperors plan

[frozen kernel]

Why is mortality? God, so lame

[clever swan]

rip

[stone fern]

imagine space marine tide

[sullen forge]

Spacehulk

[stone fern]

is it playable yet?

[mighty root]

I sleep

[violet hornet]

bedgetide

[stone fern]

this game fucking sucks

[copper hawk]

yo mama

[median steeple]

Amam

[stone fern]

#darktide-pics-vids message i thought i cooked 😭

[modern lintel]

imagine i killed you

[placid fiber]

Hey... how'd u know I just saw my mom? :/

[stone fern]

@frosty herald were you the raven in my game?

[tawdry leaf]

off with thy head 🗣️

[frosty herald]

Which cosmetics?

[stone fern]

bald with an I tattoo

[frosty herald]

Wasnt me

[tawny walrus]

Could I get some feedback/optimization pointers on my zealot build?

[stone fern]

lads martyr has 7 total stacks which is impossible to get in t4+
i propose that until death triggers at 0 hp then grants the user +1 hp regardless of holy rev
so you can use the 7th stack while almost dead
thank u for coming to my ted talk

[tawny walrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e18747c-8403-4825-8a38-9361c02a4c02/holy-lady

[mighty root]

Accept the one truth maons 🗣️🗣️🟩🟩

I hate tox bombers there’s never one there’s 3

[steel agate]

is why i always enjoy me a malestrom thats scabs only, you get a breather from tox bombers

[stone fern]

thats not bad
i dont think grevious wounds is needed on combat axes tho and i would go scourge instead of toughness on kill it only gets you like an extra 2 toughness anyways
also desperation with +3 stamina is idk

[spare talon]

you dont really need impact, and desperation actively works against the stam curios you have
you can move those 2 to anoint and purge at the top center

[stone fern]

also combat ability regen isnt that great id get like stamina regen or maybe a bomber resist perk

[spare talon]

also it is worth noting you may wanna swap marks to the rashad, iirc the moveset is almost identical but the rashad flat out has more damage
i also personally wouldnt recommend CDR curio perks mostly cuz that adds up to a whole 3.6 seconds for all of your slots, very minimal gains there

[stone fern]

if you swap to rashad switch carapace to flak as a perk and you're good actually regardless

[frosty herald]

didnt they change martyrdom to work at 6 wounds in damnation

[spare talon]

but @tawny walrus for the most part we are nitpicking, but i still recommend considering what we're talkin about
youd be surprised that this build is one of the best ones someone has asked for feedback on in recent memory in its current state

[tawny walrus]

I think i picked the wrong caxe lol I'm using Rashad. Let me update with yalls feedback

[stone fern]

ive been running a bomber resist perk since it effects the gas cloud too its comfy

[clever swan]

the fact marty doesn't even work right at damnation is wild to me. seems like an obvious oversight

[spare talon]

marty was balanced to work with the possible stacks obtainable in damnation

[tawny walrus]

Would you recommend dropping the stam curio for a 21 health?

[spare talon]

nope
stam is awesome, and with +stam regen its so nice

[stone fern]

im sure its balanced around 6 stacks but why have the max at 7? does the malice player really need to hit any 7 wound breakpoint?

[spare talon]

its malice
do you think that it matters

[stone fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1333410318340067349/New_Bitmap2_Image.png?ex=679cbf21&is=679b6da1&hm=7f3df338537a446b2501023042c6c5ae438c766ddd73936e87e3aa913a2a16b4&
really though the 7th wound doesnt make sense it should be the same for all threat levels. if the 7th wound isnt obtainable in t5s it shouldnt exist since the rest are easier

[tawny walrus]

Okay how's this look?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e18747c-8403-4825-8a38-9361c02a4c02/holy-lady

[stone fern]

its peak though i think 1 bomber resist is enough 2 stam regen is better

[opal star]

what is ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵒʳᵘᵐ

[tawny walrus]

Copy that. Thank you all for your help ❤️

[stone fern]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/

[opal star]

darktide being canon in warhamme

[spare talon]

idk why you'd use bomber resist literally ever

[stone fern]

its for the gascloud not the fire

[opal star]

the bomber kick be schnasty
also tox bomber ig

[stone fern]

bomber resit also works for tox bombers

[visual stream]

This reminds me of that guy who left the server seemingly because me and later other people insisted that taking CDR with IoD gave less than a second of reduction

[copper hawk]

hrup

[spare talon]

It's not the gas that's the problem
It's the vulnerability it puts you it to everything else

[frosty herald]

wait hrup left

[visual stream]

And he just could not fathom this concept at all

[opal star]

this is like recommending mutant damage resist

[stone fern]

it effects the toughness damage from the cloud no?

[obsidian prairie]

Like a month ago yeah

[frosty herald]

Bruh

[obsidian prairie]

Died their death in the zealot build thread of all places

[visual stream]

I'm not gonna say that's fs why he left but I wasn't even trying to bully him, he was just loudly wrong 😭

[opal star]

insane place to die

[stone fern]

cole stop typing please and give me a yes/no 😭

[obsidian prairie]

Woe, paragraph be apon ye

[visual stream]

With slowdown we gotta write as much as we can

[spare talon]

If you're in a position where you are in gas and can leave, you can leave it and problem solved
If you're in a position where you can't, youre not able to stop the massive toughness damage, the dr wont stop it from completely eating it, and the gas is barely dealing any health damage
The problem is the fact that you're now at 0 toughness in a position where you can't maintain it dr or no dr from the gas and are extremely vulnerable to everything that ISNT the gas

[obsidian prairie]

Cole isn’t allowed to talk normal anymore being a tester has damaged him irreparably

[placid fiber]

Like that poxwalker backstab?

[frosty herald]

Cole posts wall of text because of fart cloud

[stone fern]

you're right but sometimes you cant help a few ticks

[spare talon]

Because of slow timer

[hard nexus]

same argument for flamer res imo

if you're stuck in fire or gas, the damage reduction isnt enough to save you

[visual stream]

I mean I get what Cole is getting at but taking less damage from the cloud means you can get toughness back easier to keep yourself less vulnerable
I don't run it myself tho

[stone fern]

the gas is a far bigger aoe than either i still get more milage out of it than any other resistance except gunner

[hard nexus]

consider killing the bomber, or maybe even just walking out of the gas

[stone fern]

even if it reduces the toughness damage of one tick thats good enough for me

[placid fiber]

Sniper resist when you're mutied:

[visual stream]

Same argument about sniper and gunner res can be made but if the bomber is the only threat/entity in the match then you don't need res for anything at all

[stone fern]

that as legit happened to me only once in 2k hours im not getting a resistance for that

[stone fern]

nah gunner is always good bomber resist helps me every other game sniper maybe once every 10 games?
its still the second best resistance perk imo

[hard nexus]

sniper res bad

gunner res is a false equivalence. Gunners are so much more common, and fire so much faster, that you will be taking some kind of damage from them at some point, it’s neigh inevitable

[opal star]

sniper res is just
what the fuck are you doing getting hit by snipers

[placid fiber]

Dodging into the poxwalker that is knocked over on the floor and not dodging because of it

[stone fern]

even passing through the cloud asap still gives you like 1-2 maybe even 3 ticks of damage i still think its more useful than the rest

[obsidian prairie]

That sniper res breakpoint also only works if you haven’t taken much HP damage yet

[placid fiber]

^

[dry hinge]

Just don’t get hit by sniper

[stone fern]

i only really run sniper resist on ogryn i think thats the only use for it since doges and slides are ass

[visual stream]

Sniper res 1x is okay as a "just in case in unfortunate timing" imo
Gunner res I get wym but just trying to say that you can make the "well just kill the enemy/avoid it" argument for anything, but it's the combination of many threats that actually makes resistances get mileage by good players

[dry hinge]

I don’t run any type of enemy resist

[opal star]

getting caught on a poxwalker’s fat ass is crazy

[stone fern]

i run cringe resist so i can go on zealot chat

[visual stream]

Gen chat is down the hall and to the left if you want to test real cringe BPs

[opal star]

I run gunner resist bc the game just disagrees with me sometimes when I try to dodge gunner fire

[obsidian prairie]

It lets you monkey mode so hard

[copper hawk]

you CAN make the argument for the same kind of enemy, but because you CAN doesn't instantly mean in THIS instance it's a baseless argument. these two things aren't equivalent; bombers spawn significantly rarer than gunners, gunners do more damage in the time they do spawn, they are hit scan, and can spawn up to 6 or 8 at once - this also is to include reapers, which can melt you in less than 5 seconds without tness. This is what meow means these two things aren't equivalent - they aren't. the statement "the same argument can be made for x" isn't demonstrable of the argument being wrong, you still have to argue that it's wrong. the statement doesn't mean anything by itself

[stone fern]

damn you got cica speaking english its over bro

[opal star]

wall of text jumpscare

[frosty herald]

Cica day 1 research centre completed alongside absolute diff in sm2

[copper hawk]

the whole thing w resis is use case situations - you get more use out of gunners, but ultimately the choice is up to you what u want to take. it can be up to 2 minutes before another bomber spawns, and in most lobbies, they instantly die - in havoc, bomber resis is almost worthless in comparison to gunner resis. generally speaking, normal auric gameplay is so easy you can probably get away with just ONE gunner resis - sniper is an entirely different argument, as it's a different kind of enemy that does a lot of damage at once. bombers and gunners do a lot of damage over time, but snipers do it all at once. you cannot 'make the same argument' with gunner and bomber resis as you can with sniper, as the argument hinges on use case and damage, one of which is very different with snipers

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[placid fiber]

Now just imagine if Cica could do that...

[carmine falcon]

wtf are they even gonna make the new diff for? lethal is already too much without a team

[dry hinge]

Lethal is piss easy. Wym

[visual stream]

Bomber res ≠ Gunner res and I never mean to imply this, but I am applying the argument anyway because it still gets mileage out of the threat that (tox at least) bombers do pose when they spawn. A single gunner or reaper does not make a ~third or more of your current manouverable space many times as hazardous because you have massive unavoidable toughness damage until you get out, but a single tox bomber does. They are rarer than gunners, but they are severely more impactful in bad situations and they are not that rare to dismiss their threat altogether in my opinion.

[carmine falcon]

yes maybe if u have 2 others that arent clinically braindead
my luck in lethal is just bad lmao

[dry hinge]

Nah. I carry perma dead pugs in lethal all the time as assault or bulwark

[plush estuary]

lethal company?

[placid fiber]

Cica Company

[visual stream]

In any case I've lived this long without ever putting bomber res on and I think I will keep doing that, but I do recognize the value that the res can have in situations, even if I wouldn't take it myself

[dry hinge]

Lethal difficulty in space marines 2

[next crow]

if everything goes perfectly you don't need any defensive stats on curios, so it's really a "if the situation goes bad, what kind of damage will i primarily be taking in my attempt to salvage the situation?" sorta question

and i feel like most bad situations involve gunners and/or bombers

[carmine falcon]

bulwark is immortal if you're good and assault u delete anything before they hit u if you're good
on tac and vangaurd i had games where i did more kills than both my teammates and still lost cause they couldnt just......live
when i play with 2 others who arent literal apes we win

[dry hinge]

But you can p much carry with anything even if randos are bad.

[carmine falcon]

prolly i just need to put more time into lethal, which im gonna do since ruthless is a cakewalk now
last time i played i carried my two level 10 friends on 5 ruthless missions ez pz lemon squeezy

[dry hinge]

Yeah practice more.

[visual stream]

I haven't played spess muhreen 2 since around launch, is the combat better since they changed things?

[carmine falcon]

game flows much better now yes
i recommend tactical if u want an all arounder class that feels great and can do everything

[visual stream]

Did they change the pvp at all?
Namely making the heavy gunner class less braindead and better than almost everything

[carmine falcon]

they are just gonna add a new pvp map, other than that dunno i played pvp for like 1 week in total

pvp in the game is exactly what its trying to be, funny throwback pvp u play for a week and go back to doing something else

[visual stream]

Wonder if/when they'll make the wave-based survival mode, that was fun

[carmine falcon]

horde mode is coming, no one knows when tho

[visual stream]

Hopefully this time the difficulty will actually scale well with player count

[dry hinge]

Probably gonna have it on farm day 1 with my friends

[copper hawk]

first of all, to say, which you did say, 'you can make the same argument for them both' means you did say they are equivalent. an argument for one wouldn't work for the other if it weren't under the same circumstances. that's the whole point of the statement 'you can make the same argument'. second of all, i disagree with the second point; if you've ever seen gunners, or reapers, and felt the need to retreat, or to focus them, then they are adjusting the 'manouverable space' because of their hazard - they're forcing you to focus on them specifically, which makes you move around them, and focus them as a threat. forcing you to engage them first is controlling an area/denying an area - it's just the toxbomber's is more obvious (the cloud, not necessarily just their presence). these situations happen very often. in the beginning of gloriana, which enemy would you say poses the biggest threat, for example? the gunners or reapers, or the bombers?

we're makin essentially 2 different arguments: you're preparing for failure (toxbomber denying an area), while i'm making a use case argument and a preparing for failure argument. gunners you see constantly, on some maps they're almost as common as shooters, and they can deny entire areas. as zealot, you do not get proc's w dodge abilities if you face gunners. more than one gunner in an open area is death. a toxbomber chunks small amounts of tness every second, and does very little health damage, but you can still proc abilities while in the cloud.

i see bomber resis as being of lower value because it only is useful against two enemies, one of which can sometimes not spawn an entire match, whereas the gunner resis is useful against 3 different enemies you face constantly, and in higher level of play required - such as in havoc, where one gunner can drop your tness in one second of sustained fire. bombers already do very little damage as well even without resis. all of these things make it hard to justify using bomber resis

[frosty herald]

Spring

[dry hinge]

Holy fucking shit. Ain’t nobody reading all that.

[clever swan]

I'm reading all that cica i respect your thoughts

[frosty herald]

No man speaks ill of cicatres

[carmine falcon]

we ballin

[fleet zealot]

also if you want tox bomber resistance, you should just go generalized corruption resistance imo

[carmine falcon]

i read all what you wrote bro i gotchu

[untold junco]

tl;dr he already depicted himself as a chad and the other guy as a soyboy

[clever swan]

soyjakificized

[misty nova]

Hold up, that writing is fire

[visual stream]

1. Saying you can use the same argument does not inherently imply that the use rarity and mileage of the two are the same, but I get what you mean. That is not what I'm saying, however.
2. You can dodge gunners or hide behind other enemies and objects to mitigate damage, and when you kill them, their threat is gone instantly. A bomb already deployed does not release the manouverable space when the bomber is dead. A good point, but not equivalent in terms of area denial argument.
3. Gooner res still ≠ Bomber res and I'm still not making the argument that it is, I would rather take one gooner over three boomer at that.

Gunner resistance is better than bomber resistance by a lot, but bomber res is still something you can get mileage out of. Two things can be true.

[shy blaze]

working on weapons masteries i just did the bolt gun and pistol what shoul i try next

[misty nova]

Combat Shotgun

[shy blaze]

aight

[clever swan]

you know shits going down when a wall of text is replied to with a numbered list

[dry hinge]

ChatGPT battle about to happen

[misty nova]

Something something remember to aim down sights with the combat shotgun

[violet hornet]

Cica has two linguistic modes:

1. Gnarp
2. Shakespeare

[median steeple]

Holy peak cica writing, cook his ass king

[visual stream]

I shrimply think it's a fun conversation

[clever swan]

1. dis is glorpshit!
2. my good sir, this is quite unfair.

[misty nova]

• 1
• 2

[violet hornet]

Man went from bottom text to top text

[clever swan]

nah I'm kidding, I just wanted to say something funny

[shy blaze]

is the chainsaw any fun?

[misty nova]

Big one?
Small one?
Axe one?

[shy blaze]

smol

[hard nexus]

uh oh drama !

[misty nova]

The Chainswords are good crit weapons

[shy blaze]

sorry the axe

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[nimble fiber]

wait what is happening

[visual stream]

Your alliance has been noted, prepare for gleebing when the time comes

[visual stream]

Not actually drama, we're just talking about bomber resist against tox
||It's drama, get mods now||

[hard nexus]

tox bomber damage isnt enough to break ur toughness if u just run through it with twbs

[nimble fiber]

bet

[median steeple]

My alliagence has always been to cica and meowzers

[misty nova]

They are funny with Martyrdom
You light attack for single target with the mk4 and heavies for hordes

[hard nexus]

[misty nova]

The 12 is the opposite
Lights for hordes
Heavies for single
You can also rev it and use Thrust for crusher one shot reasons
IJ Also works with both

[hard nexus]

actually no psycho hates me because he called me crazy

#theorycrafting message

when i sent that

[frosty herald]

Cica and cyn are good friends so ill always stand by them (unless its a really dumb opinion)

[visual stream]

Can be good when tox is cooking you in a bad situation, if you can't shrimply run out instantly
I feel I should reiterate I acknowledge it's not nearly as good as gooner

[plush estuary]

Day 14720 zealot slowmode

[atomic fjord]

This is heretical to punish us this way

[hard nexus]

eh then thats just a positioning problem

a good player may get value from bomber res maybe once every 10 games, as opposed to gunner res being consistently useful

i simply think taking bomber res or flamer res is just a bad idea, as you get little to no value except in situations that youd die with or without res, as both flamers and bombers damage tick up the longer you are in them

and if you're in it long enough to get value from bomber res, then you're almost certainly going to be taking damage anyway due to the increased damage per tick

[midnight ermine]

Is there a way to maybe reroll the shop or something to get specific curios for my build

[hard nexus]

unfortunately no, but you can gamble your melkbux for curios

[fleet zealot]

no you just gamba at melks for 250 a curio

[visual stream]

A perk from Dead by Daylight (🤮) comes to mind called Unbreakable, you only get use from it much less than once per match but it's impactful when you do. I don't know how the upscale-over-time calculates with the res but I would assume that means the res is better* because it further decreases that upscale too, no?
Keep in mind it is also more valuable the less meta-delete-everything of a build you have on, like most other defensive perks/abilities in the game

[hard nexus]

it does decrease the damage per tick, but for it to be a notable amount, youd have to take at least 2x bomber res, likely 3, to buy yourself more time to change a situation, which eats into either toughness, health, gunner res, or i GUESS stam regen, all of which would be applicable to 100% of situations instead of one, extremely rare situation

[modern lintel]

[fleet zealot]

but that's basically the only use for melk coins currently so eh, doesn't matter

[visual stream]

I don't use stam regen and never found myself wanting for it, so I don't really think that's a 100% use case. Tness and health I agree doe

[hard nexus]

thats why i added the i guess, because i think stam regen stinky

[untold junco]

but my hard earned melkdollars, noooo

[visual stream]

Until stam regen affects stam regen delay (never), I don't think I will ever care about it

[remote lark]

thats alot of words that i can't read (im illiterate)

[clever swan]

I wish you could spend lots of ordos on an item to make it so you can, for free, change its perks and blessings

[quartz silo]

You can’t one or even two shot monsters with a knife right? Someone’s arguing to me you can and I’ve never seen it even with a Thammer

[hard nexus]

with stealth yeah u can

[modern lintel]

probably

[clever swan]

you probably could if you did everything right

[remote lark]

whats dump on trauma staff

[plush estuary]

res

[nimble fiber]

[visual stream]

Duellist, stealth, fifty other things, maybe a BoN or Cspawn

[remote lark]

yes you can

[quartz silo]

Weird I’ve never seen that

[modern lintel]

its an icky build

[clever swan]

if only tac axe could do the same

[visual stream]

One shotting monstros is mostly a meme anyhow

Crucis could probably one shot BoN without stealth

[remote lark]

crucis can oneshot bon without stealth or virtually any other buffs, it's REALLY easy
knife can do the same thing with the right buffs

[misty nova]

#zealot-class message

[zealous mesa]

that's kind of sad that a little knife is more effective at vaporizing huge enemies compared to the giant powered atomizing hammer

[misty nova]

I couldn't find the daemonhost clips

[hard nexus]

this is a clip before the nerf to unyielding damage though

[modern lintel]

you used to also be able to 1 tap captains

[frosty herald]

You still can

[misty nova]

Yeah I just noticed because of the attack angle

[hard nexus]

you should still be able to? flak damage wasn’t change on thammer

[modern lintel]

[frosty herald]

Stealth backstab headshot finesse bonus alongside ds4 finesse

[next crow]

can you still get two boosted hits with one cast of shroudfield? if you do it at the right time during the swing

[plush estuary]

yes

[hard nexus]

yah

[misty nova]

Hold on
Most of my hammer clips in this server are pre unyielding Nerf 😭

[next crow]

NICE (why is zealot chat slowmoded but the other classes are fine lol)

[untold junco]

because zealots are rushing too much

[remote lark]

read pins

[modern lintel]

so vet has the surprise attck node for their stealth can that double proc if you use both stealths qnd have 60%more dmg for 5 sec

[next crow]

oh lol it's actually in the pins

[untold junco]

exactly what i said

[remote lark]

what blessings/perks on trauma staff @plush estuary

[plush estuary]

crit or not

[remote lark]

scryers build so crit i think? idk not done levelling

[plush estuary]

you can build trauma both ways

for crit, its flak + maniac/crit/unyielding nexus + blazing

[modern lintel]

scryers

[remote lark]

fuck off

[frosty herald]

scryers

[misty nova]

Ok
I need to swim through my clips for the hammer clips

• Farm some clips with the Brutes modifier

[remote lark]

and not crit?

[plush estuary]

same perk besides crit chance then flurry rending

[remote lark]

thank you :3

[misty nova]

Goddamnit, I must have 111 hours worth of clips
I don't really want to scroll through them

[clever swan]

i once accidentally recorded my desktop for like 10 days straight

[misty nova]

[clever swan]

actually only 117 hours, like 5 days. but still

[misty nova]

I might just start posting these clips as YouTube shorts
Barely titled, barely edited
But 100% dogshit

Ah, just like 90% of DTubers

[plush estuary]

just like dorn

[violet hornet]

damage dump ds psyker in my auric lobby 😨

[remote lark]

@plush estuary disrupt destiny on fgs?

[plush estuary]

depends on playstyle, it will help with more melee dps

[copper hawk]

Omg the new zeal cosmetics actually goated wtf

[frozen kernel]

Scrying in the club rn 😤 just straight pondering tf out of my orb

[misty nova]

My EK orb

[violet hornet]

maybe if you wanna look like a vet

[tawdry leaf]

exactly why i bought zealots fit too

[nimble fiber]

real, wanna steal psykers helmet and give it to my zealot

[frozen kernel]

We already have the ultimate piece of headgear…the obedience helmets

[hard nexus]

oh my fucking god war thunder air rb is the worst thing ever invented

[tawdry leaf]

we need a mod for this ngl

[remote lark]

i... actually really like psyker

[nimble fiber]

war blunder

[frozen kernel]

I told Frûg that it’s my brain off chill class for just grinding pubs, and I meant it

[copper hawk]

i jsut like actual armor and helmets for zeal and not like weird cage hat or rags (slightly assorted)

[nimble fiber]

[violet hornet]

that's okay I'll wear the cage on my head for you

[copper hawk]

downvote

[nimble fiber]

brownvote

[spare talon]

[untold junco]

shrekvote

I just had an ogryn named Shrek. Unfortunately my excitement vanished when he started hiting poxbursters in melee

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-shrimp-animation-pixel-gif-6901986208266401917

guys where are my embeds and why are we on slow mode

[spare talon]

zealot chat was too silly

[zealous basin]

thats the point of zealot chat...

[remote lark]

zealot chat got too horny

[untold junco]

zealots rushing ahead of the team too much, needed to be slowed

[zealous basin]

me watching 40 shooters scatter to the 4 corners cuz the redditor behind me would have an aneurysm if i charged them

[grand tangle]

Zealots lack common sense by definition

[frozen kernel]

Personal goal: get a Reddit post from some Timmy just like Cole, but it has to be a hatepost instead

[zealous basin]

personal goal: explode redditors

[frozen kernel]

Start bringing Shredder pistol and still outperform them

The bar isn’t just low, it’s literally floating down the River Styx

[clever swan]

the way overseer marsett refers to dukane as "ma'am" in his accent makes it sound like he's referring to her as mom

thoughts

[zealous basin]

its so hard for me to comprehend shredder being bad in my head its early 2023 and im doing 8 kerjillion damage with glock psyker

[frozen kernel]

Bri*ish peepol am afraid, mom

Honestly though, it’s something I’ve noticed with that accent

Norferner

[remote lark]

can teammates kill my DD mark on psyker or do i not get the buff if that happens

[clever swan]

perhaps this is why they call mom mum

[dry hinge]

You gotta kill it

[frozen kernel]

You don’t get the buff if they snipe it without any way to know

[nimble fiber]

[frozen kernel]

This is why I hate 24 hour cast soykers

[dry hinge]

I run DD with assail and EK staff. Don’t run into issues with DD stacks. Depends on the staff you’re using

[copper hawk]

i use dd w assail and purg, but i never use my purg since i only play melee psyker

[frozen kernel]

You’ll be mid swing and the dude smiting the pox just melts your target’s last few HP and the next one the game picks is across the room

[modern lintel]

i might be evil or dumb but iv been doing voidstrike w surge on a scriers build lately

ultimate bowling

[tawny walrus]

Maybe the reveal next content drop is Dukane is really his mother

[broken walrus]

@modern lintel dude, surge scriers void strike is my secret op. One shots crushers and annhilates hordes. Its the plasma gun on crack. Dont tell the shouties

[fleet zealot]

already knew it

[broken walrus]

Also with 6 warp charges, gaze has a 5 second down time...so yeahhhh

[modern lintel]

not using disrupt destiny ok

[broken walrus]

Dunno if DD is needed. One shots the tankiest enemy without it

[fleet zealot]

already been using it.

actually wait yea warp charges? the node that drops your damage after you pop scrier's when you need the damage boost the most? no thanks, just run DD lol

[broken walrus]

You do you man. I just feel like I dont need more number go up past gaze's dmg and finesse bonus

[fleet zealot]

More damage for bosses, melee and assail

Or just go EP and do both assail and voidstrike

[broken walrus]

Im sorry, but Im a fucking masochist and use brain burst for boss damage. Not cuz its better than your suggestion, but I get dopamine hits from making stuff pop

[remote lark]

💀

[carmine falcon]

i wanna play the meme double barrle shotty, any recommended blessings?

[remote lark]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jB8mj8TFInYDvk018?invite=cr-MSxsamQsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
im just trying to pub this for xp man
im never picking someone up again

[carmine falcon]

bro really just stared at you

[fleet zealot]

Lmaoo

[tawdry leaf]

i was there, watched it, and almost choked from laughing 😭

[broken walrus]

Double Barrel is a solid weapon, dont think its considered a meme. Manstopper Scattershot is the usual for zealot, Manstopper Flechette for weapon specialist vet

[carmine falcon]

lore accurate ogryn strikes again

[tawdry leaf]

the funny thing is after going into the twins again we queued with the convict dude again 😭

[fiery ingot]

smol brain big heart

[carmine falcon]

oh damn really
i was led to believe its only a weapon you use for fun but dont bring it into harder stuff (i wasnt gonna listen anyway)

[tawdry leaf]

double barrel is like B or A tier

[broken walrus]

Yeah I dont think you bring it to Havoc, but I play it in auric all the time

[carmine falcon]

its S tier because you can be doomguy

[untold junco]

looks like half my teammates on auric lately

[untold junco]

but what if i dont want to stop Man

[broken walrus]

You dont have to stop Man, but you stop other Man

[untold junco]

but can it kill Man

[broken walrus]

Dunno, but it stops them

[carmine falcon]

hollyyyy tested with creature spawner and this thing just cleaved and 1 shotted 10 damnation hp ragers

[untold junco]

i will stop Man then, but if he remains unkilled i report it to Morrow

not even to Day

[violet hornet]

just had a random tell me "you fucked harder than anyone has ever fucked" after clutching twice

[spare dome]

you dont get the buff but so long as you tagged some damage or stagger on them before they get dropped it'll at least refresh your current stack

[violet hornet]

900k damage with flamer and thammer in a 40 minute match

[topaz citrus]

any1 got a good knife zealot guide

[violet hornet]

6.5 mins of clutching

[topaz citrus]

cant find a current or good one on yt

[nimble fiber]

fuck I can't sleep

[ebon bobcat]

Hit your head

[topaz citrus]

good now explain to me in great detail in video form how to knife zealot

[clever swan]

u stab them bigly

[nimble fiber]

Im gonna hit your head

[remote lark]

ty

[ebon bobcat]

Thanks, I needed to sleep anyways

[nimble fiber]

couldn't I despise the knife

[violet hornet]

have you tried not being awake?

[topaz citrus]

y

[nimble fiber]

real (I want 2 get up in 1 ½ hours)

[nimble fiber]

every day

[remote lark]

based

[nimble fiber]

its just not my playstyle

[topaz citrus]

i like my big 2 handers but ive never tried it so

[nimble fiber]

try it, maybe u like it, maybe u don't

[carmine falcon]

you go to brunt roll for relic sword and use that instead

[pliant otter]

Thoughts on the weapon crusher? does it excel in something in particular against the relic blade?

[obsidian prairie]

Crusher is the premier CC weapon across basically every class

[misty ravine]

Strong CC which makes it very safe to use, damage isn't the highest against any particular enemy type but more than adequate (unlike e.g. Shock Maul)

[obsidian prairie]

(Deceptively) good finesse, good armor damage, incredible stagger

and now that it has more than 4 blessings and one of the new ones is an actual power bonus its better than ever

[pliant otter]

What blessing would you recommend? rn I have Thrust and thunderous

[obsidian prairie]

Skullcrusher Slaughterer

Thunderous generally performs poorly due to how Brittleness works and Thrust, while potentially useful on Crusher, is typically outclassed by the nominal 40% boost of Slaughterer

[pliant otter]

I see and also if I use the dash ability from the zealot it ignores armor from the first hit making thunderous redudant, right?

[obsidian prairie]

More or less

[spare talon]

a huge thing to consider is the competition of the slot

[pliant otter]

Carapace/unyeilding I guess

[spare talon]

40% brittleness on a weapon that is already pretty decent into armor
vs 40% strength
or 40-80% damage debuff when theyre staggered

[pliant otter]

Hmmmm tried these recomended blessings and dmg against the crusher enemy is a lil worse

[nimble fiber]

thrust & slaughterer works pretty good 4 me

[pliant otter]

Yeah I think I will keep thrust, with it its almost 1 shot for crushers

[fleet zealot]

You can 2shot crushers w/o thrust iirc just fotf one of the crusher nerds has a clip of it

[obsidian prairie]

Getting full thrust stacks isn't always practical

[plush estuary]

Skullcrusher slaughter is best blessing combo

[obsidian prairie]

And you can definitely get similar results without because Skullcrusher is 80% fully stacked

[pliant otter]

Im bad with numbers what does taht mean? itmeans that brittleness isnt that bad orrr

[fleet zealot]

Imo thrust just makes crusher a worse thunderhammer, slaught skullcrusher and using it as a combo beatstick is much smoother

[obsidian prairie]

Also, fun trivia, its Push Attack does weirdly insane damage
Like, better than heavy 1

[fleet zealot]

Crusher already has high armor damage, once armor damage is 100% effective brittleness and rending give 1/4th their value as damage

So yes, it’s not bad, but it’s not good. Rending/brittleness is either wanted in high amounts (uncanny strike) or low armor damage modifier weapons (vets using brittleness and rending talents for recon las guns)

[pliant otter]

Im nticing it rn, its weird, heavy one does like 800 while the push is hitting 1.4k

[obsidian prairie]

I think its the finesse mod being insane

[copper hawk]

brittleness reduces armor on an enemy. it reduces it by a percentage. this percentage is added to your ADM, your "anti damage modifier" against that kind of armor. ADM is multiplied to your max damage to determine how much it will do. the higher the adm, the less it will reduce your damage. the crusher already has nearly max damage against armor and that it's reduced by, so using strength over brittleness would mean you're doing more damage to an enemy than you would've just by applying brittleness

[clever swan]

when are we getting a brittleness explanation sticker

[fleet zealot]

1.0 adm= 100%

[pliant otter]

Dang good explanation

[untold junco]

man, zealots be like "imma run solo into 20 gunners and get trapped away from the team" and then also say "man, auric on heresy is harder than damnation!"

[nimble fiber]

cica is a good explanation

[untold junco]

Sharttide

[pliant otter]

Wait crusher dont have that blessing that increase dmg on hit?

[obsidian prairie]

I mean
Yes, it does
The flavor of "increase damage on hit" just varies massively

[silver stag]

[pliant otter]

I cantt see it 😩

[north sedge]

Skullcrusher

[untold junco]

idk what is the worst part of trying to do auric damnation freight train, the fact that either nobody plays it, or that every team wipes it

[pliant otter]

Skullcrusher is on kill, oh wait is slaughterer, why I cant talk

[obsidian prairie]

What? no

[drowsy steppe]

its damage increase on enemy stagger

[nimble fiber]

slow mode

[pliant otter]

Is it worth the increase dmg on stagger?

[obsidian prairie]

Its 80%, on the weapon with the highest stagger

And its debuff, so it applies to other weapons, DoT's, and allies

[pliant otter]

Yeah Ill give it a try, thank you all

[north sedge]

It staggers everything so

[nimble fiber]

I wanna stagger the smyker so he can't smite properly

[copper hawk]

Tl dr slaught skullcrusher unyielding carapace

[limber trellis]

Kill smyker

[obsidian prairie]

Kill smite

[clever swan]

i had a game with 2 smite psykers today. the enemies were definitely smitten

[untold junco]

i feel like Poxbreaker title is becoming new A S S

[remote lark]

i find that if i ever quickplay into that, best possible thing to do is go on mic and make the little creatures called teammates do your bidding
otherwise they'll just get you killed

[copper hawk]

if you look at the new zealot cosmetics at certain angles the arms become transparent because roundfish is incapable of quality assurance

[pliant otter]

Man, crusher deadass feel like a worse thunderhammer

[copper hawk]

they're meant for different things, dont use it like a thunder hammer

[carmine falcon]

nah crusher palys different
it whips normal and mixed hordes around and staggers everything

[pliant otter]

Aig I guess I need to wide my eyes I little bit, so what would the proper combo to do per enemy? can I see it if I inspect the weapon?

Also just swapped thrust to slaughterer to make my brain dont think like its a T hammer

[remote lark]

pretty sure crusher can spam push attack and do great
charge -> PA

[median steeple]

it's bleak

[remote lark]

@frozen kernel wyd

[untold junco]

they get themselves killed nonstop. I just had a poxbreaker dude join, run BEHIND the team, away from the progress and get exploded by single poxburster out of map, then quit

[frozen kernel]

It’s my work Friday. Home in ~4ish hours

[untold junco]

I am legit unable to complete auric damnation train because that's the kind of team i get. I had so many runs where i had to both defuse bombs while defending myself on my own AND carry both powercells its actually insane

peope see the objective with less than 10 minutes to complete and think "nah, someone else do it, those 10 poxwalkers in front of me are higher priority"

[north sedge]

There's an in depth crusher guide in pins

[frozen kernel]

Auric Dam Rolling Steel was my last mission for the mission penances. The best thing you can do is make sure you’re performing at peak efficiency (hard carrying), then just become the fireteam commissar (actually yell at them) so they don’t all die on the double battery bridge event

[spare talon]

did josho update it or is it still outdated

[frozen kernel]

Obv don’t be a meanie but sometimes pings aren’t enough for people in the moment, and they teach you in every first aid course that if you identify people and give them orders it can help a situation

[north sedge]

Only difference is slaughterer instead of hammerblow

[frozen kernel]

Rather than be ever like “why isn’t the zealot playing the minigame because he can’t be staggered” just straight up say “Zealot, play the game boy. I got your back”

[untold junco]

battery event is honestly less of a problem for me than the final boss

[pliant otter]

Elites count towards dmg to crushers? dang tahs interesting

[untold junco]

people straight up pretend he doesnt exist. I had like 3 runs back to back where nobody besides me even approached him.

[north sedge]

Elites are maulers, ragers, crushers, gunners

[untold junco]

and ZEALOT is usually 40 meters away from the team chasing that one trapper that he managed to dodge once, and then dies because he was alone

[frozen kernel]

I feel fortunate. Any time a team makes it to the boss, we win even if it’s in the 20 seconds of “IMPACT IMMINENT” but the bridge is where runs go to die

[frozen kernel]

Fair does yeah lol

I’ve been seeing a lot of stuff online recently about stray zealots

[broken walrus]

Had a train run where we killed the boss with 10 secs remaining, I break the cogitators, and promptly died to the hoard and lost 😦

[frozen kernel]

Must be all the Timmy’s that got carried by randos to True Surv thinking they can come back and do hotboi shit in regular aurics now

[untold junco]

If team is somewhat competent, i wipe on boss. Most of the time right after the bridge part because team got down to like 5% hp during it. Last 10 tries i didnt even get to the 2nd bomb, because we end up with 1 bot, some rando who dies to basic horde 30 seconds in and all is left is 2 semi-competent idiots, including me.

[untold junco]

In my experience lately, True Survivor and Poxbreakers are some of the worst players i met lmao

[frozen kernel]

Tbh this is why I rock Auric Exemplar. No expectations, it’s like the only purple title, and all it proves is “Yeah I’ve played a bit of the game”

[untold junco]

problem with Poxbreakers is, they got enough hours in to be decent or even good, but also that makes their ego jump 10 stores up, they think they can solo everything and die to a trapper

[frozen kernel]

If I’m having a good day maybe one of the randos will gas me up and I’ll ride that high for the whole weekend, if I’m having a bad game usually nobody singles me out like “WHAT AN EXEMPLARY PERFORMANCE FROM OUR FRIEND HERE”

same energy as getting cooked by theater kid

[remote lark]

anybody wanna try for true survivor with us

[untold junco]

I just use Havoc-Forged. I feel like doing Havoc 40 is decently hard to feel like i deserved a golden meaningless word under my name without also showing off that i wasted 800 hours on the game and still suck

[untold junco]

I can

[broken walrus]

Nah the best title is Cyber Falcon, you cant convince me otherwise

[remote lark]

have you done havoc before

[tawdry leaf]

REAL

[frozen kernel]

I don’t care about the stigma, I want True Survivor because it’ll make my idiot brain think of Kung Fury and David Hasselhoff every time I glance at my portrait

[untold junco]

done lvl 40

[frozen kernel]

Ive been playing a lot of Marvels and PSO2 these last couple weeks so I’ve been lacking on my havocs .-.

[copper hawk]

gooby gibbers on ur flibber womp

[remote lark]

ok will ping you when i find a 4th

[untold junco]

aight

[remote lark]

what do u play

[untold junco]

vet preferably

[midnight ermine]

Dude this challenge to stay at low health for most of a mission is impossible

[frozen kernel]

Train Mission 💪

[midnight ermine]

I'm getting healed by things i don't even see. And not to mention my teammates

[untold junco]

wait, really? It counts?

[obsidian prairie]

You have to do it in a private game

[frozen kernel]

^^ also that don’t forget

Trying to do it on something like Gloriana is like, Dante’s 4th Circle of Hell

[midnight ermine]

Which is also insanely dumb

[untold junco]

you need a private game to do it, if you got a private game with teammates that heal you then they straight up troll you

[midnight ermine]

I got randoms in my private games, who are these guys. What makes it private

[frozen kernel]

Injected with med stim during a mixed horde

[north sedge]

They ain't private then

[untold junco]

you need to have a squad with people you manually invited

[frozen kernel]

Private games are missions you launched with JUST your premade fireteam. It’s in the bottom right of mission select

[north sedge]

You still have to set it to private

[midnight ermine]

I mean it says on my screen that its private. So idk

[frozen kernel]

Thanks Fartshart

[untold junco]

Mission select-> bottom right "Mission Terminal Options" or by default "E" button, then you got an option to set it as private

[midnight ermine]

As said. I set it as private

[untold junco]

then it shouldnt even allow you to start a game if you dont have someone invited to your squad

[frozen kernel]

Yeah that’s strange. Without a fireteam (and without mods) it shouldn’t even let you start the mission if it’s properly set.

Try restarting your game, or just backing out to operative select and loading back in

[midnight ermine]

I do. I got my friend with me. But i had randoms also joining somehow

[obsidian prairie]

Are you making a party finder listing or something

[midnight ermine]

I don't think so no

[slate haven]

I can’t post images anymore, I’m being suppressed

[untold junco]

stop standing in gunners shots then

[hard nexus]

i never saw this sowwy :(

[remote lark]

anybody wanna try for true survivor with us, we need a 4th

go away cica

[grizzled aspen]

Cica smells like boiled broccoli.

Lumii is out here blasting my ears every time he has a coughing fit, quite entertaining.

[copper hawk]

cough tuah

[untold junco]

if you dont find 4th in like 30 minutes then im out, its 6am where i live

[grizzled aspen]

Oh bro you wouldnt be able to function well to begin with. European connection to NA East is terrible.

[untold junco]

ah, you're on NA

[obsidian prairie]

Probably better than playing with european pubs from what I hear

[ornate bone]

Cinema.

[hexed igloo]

Kung fury goes so incomprehensibly hard though

[untold junco]

for legal reason i refuse to comment

[placid fiber]

[hexed igloo]

Oce pubs are pretty chill, I only really played damnation though I don't fw havoc

[placid fiber]

It is probably like the us pubs and just depends on the time of day and who you get

[hexed igloo]

Only downside is that you gotta talk to Australians but it is what it is

[placid fiber]

Personally I don't see that as a downside, but, okay

[hexed igloo]

If you play at like after-work hours you get the chill normal guys, you just gotta avoid playing at unemployment hours

[placid fiber]

Ah, makes sense ig

[hexed igloo]

Kinda goes for all games tbh, just jump on between the hours of 6pm - 11pm and you'll have a good time, but if you get on cod at like 11am you'll just be getting thrashed by mfs that haven't showered in months

[placid fiber]

What's funny is during unemployment hours for you is probably after/before work hours for us usa folk

[vague depot]

STill open?

[remote lark]

meh
dont wanna play with european ping, dont wanna find another 4th
just gonna chill for tonight

[vague depot]

Damn

[grizzled aspen]

He has embraced the power of gunker. I have opened his eyes.

[remote lark]

"he has embraced the power of gunker"

trauma staff

[eternal tide]

am I a bad Zealot player if I like Chorus? I've been reading that relying on it is bad?

I've gotten quite comfy in Auric Damnation with little downs so far, I don't use it off cooldown everytime, just when things get sticky and the group is overwhelmed.

I do feel guilty using the Knife though, it feels great to use and I like DoT.

[full nebula]

Nothing wrong with using chorus. That said it's not a bad idea to know how to handle bad situations without needing to stop it immediately.

[eternal tide]

I mean I do wanna kite around mobs like the clutch montages I keep seeing, but I do feel bad just leaving the team down when I could pop the cross and revive

[vague depot]

Fotf is just better in terms of offensive utility
Chorus opens up enemies for your team to kill by perma staggering/suppressing them but if your team is made up of morons you are pretty never going to get the most potential out of it

[full nebula]

Chorus can prevent a lot of wipes, but a lot of times too randoms will put themselves in unsavable situations.

[vague depot]

Maybe it’s just a me thing but I don’t really care about supporting the team and I also really don’t like putting my weapon away and just walking around holding a cross for 10 seconds

[eternal tide]

If theyre burning or in gas, I do just ditch em though

[vague depot]

No actually it straight up is just a me thing I’m just throwing in extra words to sound smarter

[eternal tide]

but so far auric runs have been way smoother, I feel like its just the people that hang in these levels are much more competent 🤔

[full nebula]

Fury of the faithful has better overall value beyond the damage too. Instant toughness twice in a row with a stupidly short cooldown that can be reduced very quickly.

[obsidian prairie]

23 meter lunge as well

[full nebula]

Playing with Randoms on auric quickplay is a crapshoot, you'll get good players, semi competent ones, but a lot of them are clueless.