zealot-class

[frozen kernel]

Initially I thought that’s how the blighted stim mission would work until it was like “oh no, just these boxes are infected. The one you found in the alley is totally fine” lmao

[misty ravine]

Remember—Nothing Ever Happens

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

[cloud hornet]

Is the Eviscerator any good nowadays, or is it just Dueling Sword, Relic Blade, or some other that is in use?

[clever terrace]

I still sometimes go "we're here to find the infected stims, but are happy to just shoot up in an alley with shit we found on the ground, fair"

[copper hawk]

Dueling Sword is the best wpn in the game rn, relic blade is superior to the eviscerators; i can explain y in a sec if u wantz

[cloud hornet]

If you want 😛 I really like evisc, but I feel like its going out of style.

I really liked it for Chorus builds for instant cooldown resets, but yeah. Would like to run a Relic Blade with Chorus, but for optimal play the Dueling Sword seems crazy. Last I tried I had 0 cooldown for Chorus when running Havoc

[solemn cliff]

Lightning sword go brrrrrrrrrrr.

I think that covers it.

[clever terrace]

stabby gremlin knife is lord to all

[drifting wolf]

isn't it because most power weapons are more effective in-lore but significantly more expensive to produce and maintain (non-issue in darktide)

[cloud hornet]

Who would win? Heretic army or a rat with a knife

[copper hawk]

Oh right i cant post images here lmfao

[clever terrace]

I don't think @dusty spruce uses a knife tbh, but definitely rat

[copper hawk]

Evis is just functionally a broken weapon, and not in a good way. Its heavies have inverted damage profiles (the sweeping h1 has better single target damage against armor than the strikedown h2), has terrible cleave damage distribution, nonsensical damage modifiers (it has some of the worst adms in the game, so much so that without +maniacs a shred light wont kill a trapper [900 hp lol]), and it has poor cleave and needs a +power or some other blessing for it to function

@hard nexus is the resident evis expert. She knows all its weaknesses; the relic blade, w cranial and wrath/rampage, is an objectively better weapon in every single one of those departments

Meow pointed out recently when we were playin slop thunder that the relic blade has an issue where it feels like it's generally very good at everything

[grizzled aspen]

I dont think saying that its an issue is entirely correct, in regards to relic blade touching all bases.

[copper hawk]

Meow runs shred + perfect strike w her evis w a crit piety build so she can cleave through whole hordes every swing essentially

Including crushers, bulwark shields, and maulers - even all at once

[grizzled aspen]

Kid named cleave distribution: (you will do next to no damage after the first guy)

[copper hawk]

A crit with the p strike will stagger those enemies depending on their status (attacking, idle, etc)

Evis is a microcosm of zealot as a whole imho; our class, much like the weapon, hasn't been touched, except with nerfs, since we swapped from vt2 talent system to the tree system

Since then every other class has had a ground-up rework, some classes more than once, after they buffed all the enemies, changing the dynamic of the game entirely (about a year ago)

The evis wasnt touched either, and is a relic (no pun intended) of a blade from an era of Darktide long past

When enemies were significantly weaker and fewer in number

[clever terrace]

Yet we're still pretty strong as a class overall tbh. Often too strong as some people say

[copper hawk]

It does single target incredibly well, has incredible horde clear, has okay (better) mobility than other horde cc/clear weapons (evis, thammer, crusher – either with more total dodges in regards to the crusher and thammer, or more efficient dodges)

[frosty herald]

how to fix evis with 1 simple step make it able to continiously cleave into multiple enemies or make it special multiple enemies at once in a cone

[copper hawk]

It does two niches incredibly well - most weapons usually struggle with one aspect in order to force you to play a certain way, this is what keeps them balanced - and inversely other weapons unbalanced

[delicate shadow]

whole game is powercrept to shit, downside of that is some stuff falls through the cracks and gets left in the dirt (like evis)

[copper hawk]

Increase cleave damage distro to be jn line w other weapons, fix its terrible and inconsistent (both per weapon on the class and in general) adms, buff the damage in line with other horde weapons, fix the inverted damage profile

[cloud hornet]

Addressing all that you've said @copper hawk , those are all things I've gotten vibes of, so big thanks for clarification 🙂

I really feel like Zealot onl has gotten nerfs, which sucks, but is also kind of funny cuz it still feels like one of the better classes in the game, and to me feels like by far the most fun to play.

[copper hawk]

The evis SUFFERS against armor (what it's supposed to be good at killing) and SUFFERS against unarmored and maniacs. A non crit saw heavy will not kill a trapper OR a dreg gunner. Whyyyy ???????

[frosty herald]

i genuinely cant remember when zealot has ever gotten something nerfed or a skilltree shuffle even since the talent tree update

[naive stirrup]

nerf everything

[copper hawk]

Just nerfs, we've never had a reshuffle; IoD nerf and change, some nerfs to a few talents recently

[frosty herald]

nerf yo mama

[grizzled aspen]

I still don't think saying that's an issue is entirely correct. It is objectively the most balanced weapon zealout has gotten. Methinks it is more correct to say that the issue is other weapons have been sorely neglected, instead.

[copper hawk]

I mean it's an issue because it's another power creep wpn w no weaknesses

[delicate shadow]

IoD got nerfed, Chastise got nerfed, Throwing knives I think even got nerfed, a few other talents as well

hell I'm pretty sure IJ got nerfed but it's still goated

[drifting wolf]

chastise change so that armor pen no longer affects guns, no?

[clever terrace]

for sure and it's sad, especially if you like those weapons. I'd love to use thammer more, but feel it falls flat a lot of the time.

also I've not been active for quite a while, but if other classes have all gotten reworks, maybe zealot is in line for one. you can't rework everything all at once, usually something always has to be last. hopefully evis gets some love

[plucky gate]

we've had some interactions nerfed here and there, like chastise working on ranged and crit cdr got reworked (still broken)

[frosty herald]

cica my friend relic blade is slow as fuck

also force greatsword is the strongest weapon in the game

[naive stirrup]

thammer is in a good state just most people do not know how to use it properly, like using stealth with it and expecting to not die to trash

[copper hawk]

I used to hate how slow it was until I saw it kill 5 enemies without dblow in one empowered swing

[grizzled aspen]

It absolutely has weaknesses in its lack of mobility and heat mechanic. These are mitigated by skilled players being good at managing both of these weaknesses. They feel less prevalent compared to the weaknesses of other weapons because it is a strong weapon and actually kills things.

[copper hawk]

And it two shotting crushers w the thrust heavy - id compare it to something like the hs 9, which weakness is clearly armor and unyielding

[clever terrace]

tbf i haven't tried it enough. my old build didn't work anymore and i haven't put time into figuring it out

[opal star]

relic blade so goated

[copper hawk]

It's the same rsn why the Rashad is so bemoaned - if you ever complained about the rashad, it's the same rsn

[naive stirrup]

@stone fern has a martyrdom build with it that fucks pretty hard

[frosty herald]

the one thing i would do to make relic blade more balanced is tune up heat gain in activation mode to 5% per enemy hit or balanced around heat gain with hitmass

[grizzled aspen]

My personal opinion is that both eviscerators need significant buffs rather than having relic blade be "reigned in." Cleave damage caps should be removed, adms should be improved, damage distribution should be significantly improved, so on and so forth.

[copper hawk]

Im fine with it being absurd the way it is, but they cant half helldivers it - buff the other shit in line too

[grizzled aspen]

Heat gain based on hitmass sounds so ass for havoc.

[copper hawk]

And by other shit i mean the evis and maybe tweak the thammer maniac/flak damage

[clever terrace]

martyr scares me due to low health, but for the sake of the hammer....

[grizzled aspen]

Cleave a horde twice and your sword instantly overheats lmao.

[naive stirrup]

3 wound curios, +% health, +% thoughness, gunner res

[clever terrace]

yes pls. buffs not nerfs. make all things equally viable

[frosty herald]

we have wrath on it and wrath can work with the hitmass heat gain which might be hard to code

[grizzled aspen]

No, that's not how that works. Wrath doesn't reduce enemy hitmass, it gives you more cleave. The only thing that reduces enemy hitmass is shock and awe on hammer.

[frosty herald]

or just do the easy 2.5% per trashmob and 5% humanoid elite/specialist 7.5% ogryn or boss

[plucky gate]

i'm fine with relic blade as it is and bringing weaker shit up to it

[naive stirrup]

certain things need nerfs, like the duelling sword

[copper hawk]

The mobility is better than the eviscerator and the two other 2h cc weapons. It has an extra dodge and better dodge distance. The heat mechanic isnt a weakness, it's its biggest strength. Charging up your weapon allows you to cleave absurd amounts of enemies and deal hellish amounts of damage with a tremendously fast downtime if locked out. It's less than 10 seconds, for inf cleave and huge damage for nearly 10 seconds. It does all 3 roles incredibly well; cc, horde clear, and single target

[frosty herald]

dueling sword is being nuked

[naive stirrup]

deserved

[copper hawk]

I feel like weapons should pick one to be excellent at, maybe be good at a second, and dogshit at a third to u use ur ranged weapon - if u find urself never swapping to your ranged wpn in game w a melee wpn it might be doing more than it should

[solemn cliff]

I still want the duelling sword to simply not function into hordes. Let it be a silly, precision-damage, heat-seeking missile. But I want it to take a day to clear a horde of walkers in damnation.

[frosty herald]

glad i dont have to crutch on dueling sword for havoc 40s🥱

[copper hawk]

Wish granted in 35+ havoc, poxwalkers r like metal pylons 2 the ds

[solemn cliff]

Yeah, but bring that all the way down to pre-auric.

[undone pewter]

I'm gonna crutch on power sword instead haha!

[copper hawk]

All i want at this point is modded realms so we can change the caps on enemy spawns and increase horde frequency

[frosty herald]

make the dueling sword hitbox like extremely thin and dont give it headshot gravitation (this would be the single most cancerous thing to do to a weapon)

[copper hawk]

Not held down by the shacklez of consoles limiting total spawns the game will allow

[undone pewter]

Probably not gonna happen as Darktide isn't peer to peer but maybe one day

[copper hawk]

FUCK ur right i 4got vt2 was p2p, is drg p2p ? Or sm2 ?

[undone pewter]

drg is I don't think sm2 is

[tidal berry]

relic blade puts it to shame anyway
and its on the correct class

[copper hawk]

Growlz like a Sigmar..

[undone pewter]

I don't got that on vet anyway not my loss

but also you're right relic blade is so much fun

[median steeple]

May the rot take you gloobling

[copper hawk]

Noobiphas Noob's Noobposter Noobdrome..

[frosty herald]

idi kam nye

[grizzled aspen]

Metal pipe sfx when you attempt to hit them.

[copper hawk]

Hollow sfx when i hit u duh head w the metal pipe

[undone pewter]

I am excited for the vet weapon even if I have no clue what it will be

[copper hawk]

It go like CLONG like coconut , n the pipe will go wuangwuangwuangwuangwyaaaa

[proper sedge]

damn I tried ironhelm and that moveset feels awful :(

[copper hawk]

Crucis is good 4 u

[naive stirrup]

and zealot chat will stay shackled because of inability to keep from posting weird shit

[copper hawk]

What is it this time vodka what do u see upon ur dorngrub branded horse

Seemz the kettle has scared off the pot ..

[frosty herald]

vodka shut up

[median steeple]

grrrrr

[grizzled aspen]

That's mean... :(

[naive stirrup]

idk im tired

[grizzled aspen]

What happened to the joyful and loveful Cica that didn't insult me...

[nimble fiber]

nice 2 meet u tired

[hard nexus]

a saw heavy will kill them, but it takes longer, same with a rev l1 onto a trapper, it’s mainly the unrevved attack BPs that need serious work

[hard nexus]

“objectively the most balanced weapon” it’s equal to if not worse than ds4 lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

Listen if you wanna bitch about a weapon then go bitch about fgs, that shit is so broken it ain't even funny.

It has no charge mechanic to increase adms, it just does sickening amounts of damage from the get-go, and you get a free room clear every 30 or so seconds.

[hard nexus]

the mobility is somewhat rough, but it’s not really bad considering how high it’s stagger is, the range and cleave of the attacks, and the heat mechanic is pretty easy to manage

[fleet zealot]

shredder pistol

yea lol FGS and Relic are power crept asf, they just take some level of skill and have expression, plus people sick of the meta just being single target toothpicks

[hard nexus]

in todays episode, frog discovers that multiple issues can exist at once

[vague depot]

Top gear

[fleet zealot]

i think chaxe and heavy sword are the "balanced" weapons currently but even then idk

smaul is "balanced" by being exceptionally mid at everything besides bulwark opening. Crusher like relic, is just an overtuned allrounder.

[vague depot]

I liked those weapons

[hard nexus]

tac axe, dclaw, chain axe, and a couple others are among the more balanced weapons right now

shock maul too, but imo it needs a bit of a damage buff

[hard nexus]

crusher is at least balanced by having only 3 mediocre dodges, how a mobility balance should be

[fleet zealot]

they need to revert the lightning reflexes nerf as well, having an anti rager pack blessing was massive for viability and options

[grizzled aspen]

In today's episode, Meow discovers how quickly Frog can skin and eat an entire person...

[fleet zealot]

and relic has some of the worst dodges in the game, i don't think either are "balanced", crusher imo even less so just because of how sheer safe it is

[frosty herald]

relic has broken dodges*

[fleet zealot]

if it's a fucking hidden mechanic just drop it now so i can rage against fatshark for 5 minutes cause i have nof ucking idea what you are alluding about

[grizzled aspen]

Oh and just throwing this out there on relic blades dodges, the game says it has 4, but it effectively has 2 because of how short they are. Your timing has to be really tight to not get hit.

[hard nexus]

get a new bit, you’ve said that already

[frosty herald]

read the sentence above cyn

[hard nexus]

they’re the same distance as evis

they’re fine enough lol

[misty ravine]

Thematically, the Dueling Sword should be the one that relies on Parry+Riposte to deal big single target damage, and the Devil's Claw should be the one that can stagger even a Crusher with a quick and well-placed dirty trick

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, I'm going to collect the dragonballs and wish that Signalis never existed and only you and I remember it so I can torture you about it.

[fleet zealot]

ehh, they are still effective to 0/4, i never noticed that, even with IJ, but i'm just built different and chaxe pilled so i'm used to shit dodges

what's wrong toothpick users, afraid you might have to time your dodges? 🧝

[vague depot]

How did you handle rager groups with chainaxe again was it just rev light backdash repeating

[fleet zealot]

normal lights with mk4 will stagger an individual rager if you have HT ramped and chastise staggers the whole group

[grizzled aspen]

Rapiers are not meant to parry. You are meant to dodge and push your opponents weapon away from you. Source: I practiced both HEMA and fencing.

[fleet zealot]

block and dodge back till one steps forward enough to be solo

[vague depot]

Oh I think I was told to use rev lights to stagger ragers

[grizzled aspen]

Granted, they're sabers, but ds4 is used like a rapier for some reason.

[hard nexus]

the thing named dueling sword should be able to duel

[north sedge]

I think evis was always a bit overrated and it took relic coming out for people to rethink it

[fleet zealot]

you can, it's easier and doesn't require you to be on your ramp

[hard nexus]

also “push your opponents weapon away” is literally just what parrying is LOL

[tidal berry]

game is cooked I don't rly care anymore tbh

[fleet zealot]

and if you are ramped with like, all your buffs, you can kill on rev'd light for ragers as well

[grizzled aspen]

Not in fencing. In fencing you literally do it with your hand.

[vague depot]

Ah ok so if the first enemy I’m fighting are a rager pack then I use revved lights but if they are already in a mixed horde I can just go ahead and light spam them

[frosty herald]

why dueling sword isnt a parry weapon is beyond me

[misty ravine]

As for making dueling sword even worse at hordes, I could easily see Fatshark doing this:

Dueling Swords now have cleave targets capped at 2 for slashes, 1 for thrusts

Now that it can no longer proc Rampage by any method, we have replaced it with Slaughterer in the weapon's Blessing pool

[fleet zealot]

DW fatshark got more playtesters and focused on reddit and fshark forums cause they were complaining about elitist discorders, powercreep train choo choo

[hard nexus]

yeah i think fencing is significantly different than like an actual fight

[frosty herald]

playtesters dont look on the subreddit

[tidal berry]

no nerfs only buffs

[fleet zealot]

yea, i need to do some proper testing (i won't) but you might be able to stagger them with a PA once on your ramp

[grizzled aspen]

Absolutely, I would never carry a rapier to defend myself. Mfs bend so easily and you can hardly cut anything with them. I'd rather carry an estoc if I was going to carry a thrusting sword, because at least an estoc has an edge to cut with.

[hard nexus]

40% power on dueling sword would make it even more OP lol

[misty ravine]

thats_the_joke.jpg

[fleet zealot]

that's my problem is that i used chaxe too much without writing down what i'm doing, so a lot of stuff i'm just doing in-game only and can't vocalize it

[grizzled aspen]

This would be so fucking disgusting, thrust + slaughterer is nasty as hell.

[delicate shadow]

this is correct tbh

[hard nexus]

also note that a dueling sword isn’t a rapier, it’s a saber

[merry flume]

this is just the deimos force sword

[grizzled aspen]

I noted that before. @hard nexus

[delicate shadow]

yeah I mean, all the nerfs I'd like to see would likely cause reviewbombing so that shit ain't happening

[hard nexus]

i was aware of its dogshitness ever since i used it…

[hard nexus]

so then your point was entirely moot

[delicate shadow]

like the game could be rebalanced to a healthy place but I sincerely doubt FS would put in the legwork to get it there, especially because large chunks of the community would flip their shit once they get egochecked

[fleet zealot]

2 ogryn nodes being swapped places basically caused a riot and now ogryns are being discriminated in havoc because of it despite having 2 great builds for it

[misty ravine]

I also saw what happened to Helldivers 2. But maybe Darktide is too old, niche, and out of the public eye for sloptubers to rile up their audiences for attention

[frosty herald]

we dont take ogryn players seriously

[grizzled aspen]

It's not, though. Only ds5 is actually used as a saber. Ds2 and ds4 have thrusting attacks because fatshark is goofy.

[delicate shadow]

and despite pickaxe being bonkers

[delicate shadow]

??? thrusting is a thing with sabres lol

[fleet zealot]

like i kinda get the FNP nerf was overkill but it was still a needed nerf since it was being additive on top of the rest of your DR so ogryn was basically invincible if not pinned/standing in layers of effects

[hard nexus]

ds4 is, physically, built like an in between of a thrusting blade and a saber, due to how the blade is significantly straighter than the other 2 marks, which is why it’s used the way it is

also what aquino said

[fleet zealot]

it shouldn't be multiplicative with itself, it should be additive with itself and multiplicative with other sources, but the 2 nodes swap wasn't that so idk what ogryn chat is smoking

[delicate shadow]

like even with heavily curved blades, thrusting is still a thing

[hard nexus]

even the khopesh, a super weird looking curved sword, was used for thrusting

frog is NOOOOOB

[tidal berry]

They cultivated this community by constantly pampering to them

[merry flume]

all swords are for thrusting, and if it isn't, it's a bad sword

[fleet zealot]

can you blame them? backlash is a bad look when they are struggling to catch the game up to date and properly finish core features

[frosty herald]

youve given me a great idea give us a power kopesh or power sickle

[merry flume]

my only gripe is that they need to add more unique weapons. shock maul would have been cooler if it had a buckler in the left hand and just gave it krubers mace/sword combos....

[delicate shadow]

only thing that's really lacking with sabres in terms of moveset options are false edge cuts and parry/riposte (but that's dclaws bag so y'know)

[tidal berry]

Yes, I can blame them. There is no one else to blame.

[misty ravine]

I mean, you can thrust with almost anything. You can thrust with the barrel of a rifle (in fact this is much more highly recommended than trying to smack someone with a plastic or wire buttstock—why do Headhunters get the stock attack again?)

[hard nexus]

i mean we sorta have that with hsword special

though that’s also more of a cutlass

[delicate shadow]

true though the way you go about it is also really really funny

like if someone came at me leading with a false edge I'd be pretty confused

[fleet zealot]

the review bombs from veteran multiple times (7 swing power cycler, no keystones on patch 13, demo team working for teammates, and the survivalist nerfs), the few dumb zealots who review bombed over the holy revenant nerf, assail probably had a few soldiers dying for it when it got nerfed, and ogryns having a tizzy over the 2 node swap

[delicate shadow]

anyway there's a lot of blades where thrusting is sub-optimal because the blade isn't really geared towards it, sabres aren't on that list though, the whole point of them is they're versatile

[fleet zealot]

hot take, but I like the 3 variant system since it basically guarantees there will be a variant i like, so unlike vt2 i won't be put off by a weapon i think looks cool but doesn't have a moveset that vibes with me, but fatshark needs to continue filling out the variant slots

[merry flume]

both the new greatswords need a new variant. that i can agree on

[hard nexus]

i think if someone came at you with a sword in general you’d be confused

[frosty herald]

fresh new weapons already need a mark aint no way vic

[delicate shadow]

true...

[fleet zealot]

it is also good for all human class weapons so different classes can have a different preferred variant (bolter needs this badly because vet and zealot want 2 different things from it)

[remote lark]

aquino free zealot chat

[delicate shadow]

I literally can't

[fleet zealot]

i mean crusher is still at one variant

[remote lark]

fakequino....

[delicate shadow]

the only variant it needs

[frosty herald]

ideally i would like to see a mark for all standalone weapons that do not have 2 to choose from

[undone pewter]

I wanna see some weapon marks next year

[merry flume]

yeah even more powerfuler heavy laspistol

[frosty herald]

we have 2 laspistol marks

[misty ravine]

Should the next Bistol be stronger or faster

[merry flume]

heavy laspistol with charge up mechanic like the helbore

[fleet zealot]

yea, and i want thugshot since the kickback family is not supposed to have variants but 3 different weapons using the same weapon style, we have the kickback shotgun, we have the rumbler grenade launcher, give my thugshot slug gun

[fleet zealot]

idk, i don't feel bistol needs a variant, bolter needs both other variants out asap

[remote lark]

that's just the Rock

[frosty herald]

gonna need an aoe thunder hammer

[misty ravine]

Stronger and Faster or are they more different than that

[fleet zealot]

rock launcher tho, dozens of rocks in reserve, it would truly be peak

[tidal berry]

crushing majority of negative reviews were over garbage state of the game, this is nothing but painting your own false narrative which people in dying games often do either because they choose to be fencesitters or because they have an agenda.

[gusty cipher]

Isn’t that just the grenade gauntlet?

[fleet zealot]

also usuage style, mag dumping vs precision fire/dmr rifle style. Right now our bolter feels like a middle child where having a more balanced for veteran precision bolter + a mag dump variant for zealots

[fleet zealot]

grenade gauntlet is grenades not slugs and doesn't use the single shot launcher mode, I need slug rounds. I need the thugshot

[gusty cipher]

Thugshot? Is that a real thing?

[fleet zealot]

i am the fencesitting agenda i guess

[frosty herald]

thugshake-

[median steeple]

bugshaker

[nimble fiber]

I knew it was coming

[fleet zealot]

yes, it is a weapon type in the game's code, unfinished but it would be the same vein as the kickback and rumbler, except fire a massive single shot slug/bullet

[sullen forge]

beeshaker

[merry flume]

play ratshaker

[median steeple]

beesknees

[fleet zealot]

like idc about the overwhelming amount of reviews plush but there has been objective review bombs and backlash over nerfs, i'm not doing anything lol

[gusty cipher]

GLORIOUS

[sullen forge]

you want me to get on ratshaker, cause I've been staring at my PC screen not blinking for the past 15 minutes trying to figure out which tide game to play

[merry flume]

darktide of course (i just got home)

[fleet zealot]

I never fucking went and said the bad reviews are all cause review bombs, but you are just being an angry fool if you think negative community reaction to nerfs isn't going to adjust fatshark's thinking

[merry flume]

who r u arguing with

[tidal berry]

I'm not angry, you are

[fleet zealot]

we may be smarter here and realize "never nerf only buff" is fucking stupid, but the space in-between average no community interaction Joe and us is a space of redditors and youtubers that are very vocal about not wanting nerfs cause it's a pve game

[fleet zealot]

plush, who said i'm a fencesitter or pushing an agenda, he ain't angry tho

[cerulean moth]

u can sit on MY fence

[sullen forge]

okay pookie

[grizzled aspen]

I like being part of the "never nerf" crowd because it's funny to watch the nerf crowd get angry and also there are idiots that want to nerf things that dont need nerfed.

[fleet zealot]

i don't like sitting on fences, no back support, i fall off and break my eggs

[cerulean moth]

what the FUCK theres a slow mode in MY femboy chat now???????

[nimble fiber]

bros been living under a rock

[grizzled aspen]

Every freaky comment and mention of slowmode extends slowmode for another 24 hrs...

[merry flume]

i love all ur posts because i read it in ur pfps accent

[cerulean moth]

Im more interested in what brokje the camels back? what was the unhinged thing that got us this slow mode

[fleet zealot]

someone posted a meme with a slur in it and defended it, but it was just long term behavior and stigma from the other chats

[sullen forge]

permanently banished and punished

big boss MGSV here

[nimble fiber]

idk, but I think it has something to do with the pyramids

[merry flume]

the real reason was that the server circlejerk got too intense

[fleet zealot]

no more sex, no more hate/flame, NO more offtopic, no MORE memes, we are SERIOUS business in our SERIOUS space game with little cute paintable dolls

[sullen forge]

Im gonna get some water and then get on Vic

[delicate shadow]

you can be offtopic, you can post memes, just don't fuckin' do weird shit like posting kink shit, slurs and the like

[fleet zealot]

( i am biased against all these changes at the same time obviously please take what i say with a grain of salt)

[merry flume]

you're gonna WHAT

[tidal berry]

ya I'm the angry one 😭 add that to the book of grudges

[delicate shadow]

it's really not fuckin' hard

[nimble fiber]

just drink the ocean

[drifting wolf]

dont do that

[fleet zealot]

plush did you join gbog movement you'd fit right in for somethings

[tidal berry]

wtf is a gbog

[fleet zealot]

NO preg emojis that's an actual ruling i remember that one, and i'm fine with it

[merry flume]

giant bag of grapes

[cerulean moth]

no Mpreg emokis. Damn. 1984

[fleet zealot]

great book of grudges, the DT movement to HOLD FATSHARK ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LIES AND DECEPTION! Revert the talent update so we can get our promised once per quarter careers instead

[sullen forge]

Im gonna kill you for taking it like that

[merry flume]

HUH

[north sedge]

stan's food finally went too far

[cerulean moth]

FUCK the book of grudges im a HATER WHO ELSE IS A HATEr
\ WHOE ELSE??? U ALL HAVE TO READ THIS HIIIIIIII

[fleet zealot]

vict you can't use that emoji anymore,

[merry flume]

lemme guess servers can't ban specific emoji usage

[fleet zealot]

you better unreact it before the mods see, i ain't snitching tho

[clever terrace]

spicy, but not explicit

[cerulean moth]

The book of grudges will never be empty

[sullen forge]

Pretty much which is hilarious, you ever look the first second in News or Updates you'll see the most unhinged reactions ever

[merry flume]

honestly im gonna ride it out because i just can't be assed to care. i play darktide with like 2 people here after 1000+ hours of playing with pugs. i'm not missing anything

[fleet zealot]

🫡

[clever terrace]

Also @delicate shadow how do you feel about being the patron saint of zealot chat?

[cerulean moth]

ride this DI-

[nimble fiber]

dictionary

[tidal berry]

I made a post once on forums to tell someone they are the scarlet rot of gaming industry because they were complaining about havoc gunners, turns out they were complaining about regular heresy, my post was removed

[fleet zealot]

idk if it should be aquila but i haven't check the warden's zealot chats to see who is more active here

[cerulean moth]

Fs forms feels like the steam "game discussion" of darktides player base

[frosty herald]

Look in psyker chat and look at whats been posted for the last 30 minutes real quick

[clever terrace]

Don't go into psyker chat then. It'd blow your mind. Like raw warp exposure.

[fleet zealot]

plush did you see the thread made by the person we got out of this discord for asking for cheats and asking to pay to be carried through penances

[grizzled aspen]

I avoid psyker chat because there is a rampant amount of horrible takes in there.

[sullen forge]

I literally just migrated thats all it DID LMAO

[frosty herald]

You show up every blue moon i swear

[clever terrace]

you are really on a mission huh? it's kinda funny

[spare talon]

i went to psyker chat once and they said precognition was bad and my brain bursted

[sullen forge]

Insane Freak. Avoid, is a harbinger of Doom I swear man

[cerulean moth]

i gotta check on my people see how you doing. You playing sparking zero?

FUCK I DO?

[merry flume]

i made a google form called "book of grudges" and if you were cancer in vermintide you may have heard of it. i had a public google form i'd check every week to add bad players to it and why they deserved to be on the list. then i realized how cringe it all was and deleted it

[fleet zealot]

get bleed blessing instead obv /j

[frosty herald]

I uhhh uninstalled sparking zero cause para beat my ass

[grizzled aspen]

I saw the word "brat" and instantly clicked out of there.

[tidal berry]

I've seen only t he chats in pics channel but it was funny enough as is

[sullen forge]

You did this?

[cerulean moth]

thats fucked up man, i feel for you

[merry flume]

yeah i deleted it after like 400 entries

[fleet zealot]

taco tf level but at least you grew past it, i think some people don't realize it's bad and stupid for the dwarves to have the great book of grudges and why they failed in fantasy so hard

[frosty herald]

@rocky nacelle Beast gohan vs mui goku sparking zero

[cerulean moth]

Im just happy they added piccolo's other forms. Gotta play my goat

[merry flume]

aura farming in sparking...

[fleet zealot]

he may get his ass kicked, but he always pulls up clean and tries. I can respect it.

[sullen forge]

FUCKING 400

[rocky nacelle]

you rage quit after bojack and android 13 stfu, pinged for trash

[cerulean moth]

u could never understand the pain of being a white piccolo fan...

[frosty herald]

We running the set

[fleet zealot]

but, i'm white

[nimble fiber]

hi white how r u doing

[frosty herald]

(I will get my ass beat for 20 rounds consecutively)

[cerulean moth]

post your ancestry.com results and we will discuss

[merry flume]

my ancestry test has 6% british on it 😔

[fleet zealot]

scottish, irish, native american Blackfeet tribe, native american salish kootenai tribe, german

[delicate shadow]

btw what happened to never snitching lol

[sullen forge]

its so fucking over Vic

[fleet zealot]

my sister has brown skin and passes as native so maybe that's why i feel no pain.

[frosty herald]

I had to show me and gale bullying ogryns🤫

[tidal berry]

I'm so sorry

[grizzled aspen]

We are tired of the slowmode and wish to inflict as much suffering as possible on others now.

[cerulean moth]

every joke i wrote came out as too racist so ill let it slide

your Water cooler, a sign of membership will be sent in the mail

[merry flume]

walter cooler

[cerulean moth]

circle shark. Same as FS but most inconsistent updates

[frosty herald]

Waltuh

[nimble fiber]

no yams don't do it

[merry flume]

waltuh i'm in the new season of invincible waltuh

[nimble fiber]

when does that come out again?

[merry flume]

idk i saw a tiktok of someone doing a voice impression of mike. ive never watched the show (it was very funny)

[fleet zealot]

Malum Caedo wasn't in space marine 2 because he would've wiped both bitch ass factions out in a week

[copper hawk]

U became my opp

[grizzled aspen]

What did I do?

[grizzled aspen]

I don't know what that means, man.

[sullen forge]

@merry flume Before you ask yes, yes im doing a pure Soulblaze build

[cerulean moth]

you all looking real cute right now...just saying, watch yo self

[fleet zealot]

i treat everyone as my opp, i am paranoid and do not sleep well

[copper hawk]

I treat everynya as an oomf in waiting until pawven otherwise ,,

[sterile stone]

Jail time

[frosty herald]

I am the supreme oomfelor

[copper hawk]

U r a mere oomfling .

[frosty herald]

🙁

[rocky nacelle]

hi pookie

[copper hawk]

Henlo

[naive wharf]

power cycler used to give you SEVEN swings?!?!

[undone pewter]

yeah lol
and there was a bug for a while where the mk6 had infinite powered swings

[cerulean moth]

when it got nerfed the game got review bombed

[spare talon]

people threw a tantrum saying they nerfed the only good weapon into being unusable

[naive wharf]

jesus christ thats a lot
i got the game afterwards i think, after crimbo

[frosty herald]

It was the dumbest shit imaginable

[fleet zealot]

yes, and power sword was also just stronger than it was now

[undone pewter]

I guess those folks went to helldivers lol

[naive wharf]

thats objectively false, because i still use powersword OVER the dueling sword, and its pretty damn great

[fleet zealot]

how much cleave did pre nerf power sword have, it also had better defensive stats and didn't break charge for being hit as a punishment/limiting tool

[clever swan]

at some point in the future, however: relic blade

[dry hinge]

I’m currently rocking the achalys PS on my newly made vet

[drifting wolf]

power longsword

[naive wharf]

i mean, it makes sense for zealot (the melee centric class) to get a better version of the powersword

[fleet zealot]

it was basically the best melee in the game in it's hay day, it was 3 base, 5 with pc 3, and 7 swings with pc4

[dry hinge]

Took a little adjustment but I’m liking it

[vestal oyster]

is chorus mandatory in havoc?

[naive wharf]

IT WAS 3 SWINGS BY DEFAULT?!
isn't it only fucking ONE now?

[quasi cypress]

do you prefer relic blade or dueling blade? i cant decide if i want more cleave or more single target dmg
bolter as ranged weapon btw

[lusty turtle]

eyup

[vestal oyster]

if bolter as a ranged weapon and running throwing knives, def relic blade imho

[quasi cypress]

are throwing knives even valid for higher stuff?

[vestal oyster]

in havoc it's what i see people running the most

[frosty herald]

Power cycler

[lusty turtle]

zealot can kill anything with melee so an infinitely reusable ranged attack is useful even if its replacing nades since nades are less useful

[naive wharf]

preference and situational honestly, relic blade can do good single target dmg with the right mark, but dueling sword fails pretty bad at cleaving and getting through hordes of the flak-heads

[quasi cypress]

ive been running with firegrenades for a while now since i heard people say knives are bad

[lusty turtle]

you're forgetting the infinite cleave being brought down to 20 as well people went wild

[lusty turtle]

knives are good if u are confident enough with ur melee (and ur melee option is generally good enough into all targets)

[frosty herald]

😭

[fleet zealot]

throwing knives are valid until pox hardened havoc levels

[naive wharf]

to be 100% real, i wish that stuff like abilities, blitzes, and keystones where all in an easily accessible area, so you wouldn't be forced to use something like knives because of that side of the tree being better then the others

[nimble fiber]

where is the knife hate coming from lmao

[quasi cypress]

so far ive been running relic blade ,fire grenades and the relic ability

[copper hawk]

Oh like with every other class ??? Dont get me started bro GRAAAAH

[lusty turtle]

ye thats fine, tknives could work too but if u don't want em u don't gotta have em

its personal preference really

[clever terrace]

you need to know how to aim with tknives and when and when not to use them to some degree. but they can absolutely do work

[undone pewter]

I believe tknife hate and loner hate kinda go hand in hand

[naive wharf]

it would mean some more variability with builds, so you wouldn't feel limited by points/distance, id quite like to have fire grenades instead of knives

[quasi cypress]

my aim is bad yee XD

[hexed spade]

At least it's justified with Loner

[copper hawk]

Yes our 4 to 5 fucking point tax for blitzes as opposed to the 2 or 1 on some classes makes total sense fat shark yes yes

[clever terrace]

stealth/loner hate has been around since it's birth, and it's understandable. I'm surprised I run it so much now but it makes sense for pubbies in higher difficulties when I can't trust them to cohere

[copper hawk]

Like wtff class do playtesters play ?? Just vet and psyker ?? Is Zealot stuck under the stairs or somethin ?? KYAAAAA

[plush estuary]

ogryn

[clever terrace]

plus the way the trees are limit my other takes or talents I can take if i spec across

[fleet zealot]

Ogryn playtesters dont count they only play malice /joke

[undone pewter]

I don't think Vets have a playtester that's open about being a vet main funnily enough

[quasi cypress]

i feel like you cant really go 30+ havoc wihout a relic zealot for the stun ,dmg buff and extra toughness

[frosty herald]

Trust the process (ogryn is getting another rework😂 )

[naive wharf]

but because the right most side of the tree is sorta objectively better (dont try and dispute that, toughness on dodge is fucked), im forced to use knives, which aren't bad per say, but i usually run bolt pistol, bolter, or revolver, so i got ranged pretty covered

[copper hawk]

U have to be fucking joking. U cant be srs yam pls tell me you're JOKIN PLSSSSS

[hexed spade]

Ok I'm curious what's the argument for taking Loner? Cause as far as I can tell it's actually just a dead aura aside from saving a couple points solely because of the fact that coherency replenishment stops as soon as an enemy locks on in melee

[misty ravine]

I maintain that Bleed For The Emperor and Restoring Faith each being 4 points deep down separate and Not-Second-Wind branches is diabolical

[frosty herald]

Im 100% joking

[naive wharf]

can barely go auric without relic zealot iv found, can make that shit a breeze (depending on teammates)

[fleet zealot]

The best pathing goes right second wind etc->left duelist and hr etc then you basically just pick your ability and keystone

[copper hawk]

It's absurd and shows the devs are out of touch w the game they're makin idk how u can rework and playtest 3 classes, some of which up to 3 times in less than a year, and overlook that, among other things, for years+

[quasi cypress]

fair yee

[undone pewter]

Go get mad as psyker mains for being big and greedy Vet didn't get a huge class change except being given one vision

I hope zealot gets some changes soon though because the tree ain't great but it's not like they do major tree reworks very often

[vestal oyster]

is veteran fun this patch?

[naive wharf]

man i wish i had image perms here, dunno how to get that

[undone pewter]

Yeah very they're all fun

[vestal oyster]

i might take a little zealot break then

[fleet zealot]

yea, i think they are trying to appeal to too many people and also use tools they aren't familiar with, imo it's been obvious since they randomly gave smite a 50% damage buff when it was already strong

[drifting wolf]

if grenadier vet and weapon spec w/ DB are still viable yes

[undone pewter]

They're still viable. DB isn't in high havoc but that's whatever

DS, boltpistol (lethal proximity, puncture), shredder VoC is really fun in havoc tho

[fleet zealot]

veteran has always been viable lol

[undone pewter]

I don't think that was the question

[frosty herald]

We used to have it one day it will come back

[vestal oyster]

i dont think i've tried plasma gun since all the changes

[undone pewter]

Strong but dull
You'll see great success spamming uncharged shots because they're objectively better than charged ones

[vestal oyster]

hmmm :/

[undone pewter]

But yeah for vet I've had lots of fun doing lots of builds in high havocs so fun and viable yippee.

Though I don't think exe stance is particular viable in my experience but maybe I've not found something good yet

[tame sluice]

exe stance is viable if you're REALLY good

[clever terrace]

I can stealth forward into enemy lines to disrupt gunners pinning us down and survive well enough to last until my team make it to me or regroup with them. I can hang back to deal with threats and again survive, same with flanking or clutching if I have to as well. Stealth and escape to grab some breathing room and such. I don't know enough of builds but found I can take more useful talents with loner than across into the coherence stuff. I might be wrong but it's just what I've found to keep me alive more with pubbies

[hexed spade]

I mean I have one rn with knife and shroud field that pops over to the leftmost aura (I don't remember names) and it feels just as good. I've run loner a couple times to save points but most of my zealot builds look exactly the same these days so needing to save points doesn't feel as necessary to me ig

[hard nexus]

loner itself doesn’t enable any of that, coherency regen is worthless in terms of what you get from talents (second wind), and pathing into loner doesn’t really give you any talents worth much, ambuscade isn’t good, good balance and TWBS are decent options, but duelist, until death, and holy revenant are absolute best picks

loner as an aura is entirely worthless

[delicate shadow]

there's actually quite a few zealots lol

[hexed spade]

If it wasn't for until death and duelist being far better I would unironically consider Loner just for good balance

[clever terrace]

like I said, I don't know enough. it could be better but it works for me. my main thing is stealth. I'm not attached to loner just don't have the time or energy to change/fix or whatever

[hexed spade]

Yeah the stealth fucks I was just curious what your reasoning was for Loner over the other two. But that's fair

[hard nexus]

stealth builds take loner only for pathing, not for loner

also stealth is stupid and i hate it

[misty ravine]

And if your team is also that good

[tame sluice]

not even just your team

[hexed spade]

I don't think the stealth itself is bad, just moreso that it encourages bad behaviors

[hard nexus]

now that you can swap to melee without losing exec, not really

[delicate shadow]

TRUE

[misty ravine]

What if Loner made you count as being in coherency for team auras etc., not just for some minimal toughness regen

[naive stirrup]

isn't there an unreasonable amount of zealot playtesters compared to the other classes?

[misty ravine]

Thinking more about not having Shout and the consequences for teammates relying on that yellow toughness

[copper hawk]

FIRE them hawk FRICKIN tuah THEY BETRAY THE CAUZE !!!

[naive stirrup]

thought i saw someone mention that a while back

[hexed spade]

It would be infinitely better this way and would be worth taking given that there's a lot of good auras that you could always benefit from

[clever terrace]

Reasoning just kinda, I saw it in builds online, it made sense to me and allowed me to pick the other things I wanted more easily without too many headaches. I don't have the time or energy to pick it apart but happy to get better or change etc

[tame sluice]

exe stance with infantry lasgun (ghost+infernus) is a very reliable and self sufficient way to kill every ranged enemy on your own if you have cracked aim

same for a laspistol and with the same idea

[naive stirrup]

loner is literally a dump talent point for better pathing on everything else

[clever terrace]

I was under the impression it kinda did in some way, not just toughness regen, which I don't really care about cause my other talents give me that

[naive stirrup]

loner quite literally only gives toughness regeneration like you'd get in coherency. that is it

[hexed spade]

Yeah that's literally the only time I ever used it besides doing the penance. Occasionally I can save a couple points by taking Loner but I still have to go to the other aura for duelist and until death anyways, so I may as well take that aura

[clever terrace]

But also i feel like that would encourage the "run off and be useless" play styles even more, which are what folks seem to have an issue with

[naive stirrup]

benediction pog

[clever terrace]

I mean, with how my tree is now, I could probably swing the other aura easily anyway, just haven't had time to look at it

been trying to get my psyker working and not feel useless and squishy. my zealot carries so I'm happy enough. if it ain't broke don't fix it

[hard nexus]

if a teammate needs shout atop their own kit, then they suck really bad

[naive stirrup]

cole you ready to suffer in the quad psyker h40?
dorn suggested he might take smite so you know we're in bad shape

[misty ravine]

And yet...

[spare talon]

i think something people forget is the fact that while they do have a group of playtesters who have a surprising amount of influence with their feedback, they still arent the ones actually making the game
its still needs devs to actually implement them which requires a dev who is capable of changing that in a reasonable time and also isnt already dedicated to something else internally

[naive stirrup]

trick is to not take piss toughness ever

[delicate shadow]

no lol

[naive stirrup]

i definitely read wrong somewhere then

[spare talon]

we could say something and everyone goes "wow thats a great idea! we should do that!" and its something reasonably easy to change
it doesnt matter how easy it is to do or how good of an idea it is
if theres no one to do it, it doesnt happen

[delicate shadow]

or someone is talkin' mad shit, lots of misinfo out there

[north sedge]

They only needed dorn with his thorough playtesting

[naive stirrup]

and this is why i ask questions when i can

[tame sluice]

is this what resulted in ogryn and zealot skill trees

[delicate shadow]

or if FS simply doesn't want to

[spare talon]

that too
theres a lot of checks it needs to meet
whether they want to, whether they have the people to, whether they have the time to, and whether its enough of a priority to do sooner than later

[delicate shadow]

like end of the day everything FS adds or removes is what the studio is actually wanting to do

playtesters have no decision making power, just feedbacking

[naive stirrup]

understandable, community feedback is good to know what to prioritize but at the end of the day it's FS doing what they feel is best

[delicate shadow]

we're like, simultaneously overrated and underrated by the community, it's kinda funny

[copper hawk]

Seems they have plenty of time 2 change ogryn and psyker twice and vet three timez

[naive stirrup]

nah we love playtesters, yall put in work despite popular belief

[spare talon]

literally when did they make significant changes to ogryn

[copper hawk]

U r enemy numbah wan 2 me playtesterz grr..

[spare talon]

its just in certain areas they go "hey we're open to changes with this thingie" and we throw shit at the wall and they look at all of em and grab the things that they like and have the time/resources to do
thats where the largest influence is from my short experience thus far

[copper hawk]

Last update that reset the whole tree and tweaked a few talents; a few talent tweaks in this capacity, like just this amount, is just the amount I think zealot needs; clearly there was an amount of playtesting done to determine the tweaks necessary and they made them

[naive stirrup]

insert "random bullshit go" meme here

[delicate shadow]

zealot does need tweaking, and I'm pretty sure the time will come

[copper hawk]

That's all i want just one ogryn level tweak PLEAZ !!!! I DO ANYTHIN !!!!!!

[spare talon]

last update it reset the tree becasue 4 nodes changed location
That was it
that was all that changed

[copper hawk]

EXACTLY !! that's tremendous 2 what weve ever gotten !! Do u know how much it would shake up the tree 2 get any 4 talent nodes moved for zeal ?? PLS !!!!

[naive stirrup]

agreed, all we can do is wait really

[spare talon]

psyker had many new talents and pathing changes
same with vet

[spare talon]

we've had a complete rework of one of our most important talents, IoD which completely revitalized a build style

[naive stirrup]

it made iod on low crit chance builds viable

also made crit stacking less broken

[delicate shadow]

it's also still kinda busted (but this is true of CDR talents in general outside of the meme one on martyr)

[copper hawk]

No talent moves ,, and iod needed its nerf, then its rework - but it's one talent. No talents were moved. None were tremendously changed in a similar way. It's objectively true that we have had the least tree impacting changes compared to the other three classes. These changes, although specific to talents, are not equivalent; a nerf and a buff of one talent without moving it is different to the moving around of 4 talents, por ejemplo — imagine if they moved around our tness regen talents ? Or some of our damage nodes ? Or broke up the shitty talents like everything in the middle row, middle column ? That's what i mean

[naive stirrup]

iod has a permanent place in most of my zealot builds

[hard nexus]

all 3 CDR talents on zealot should be good, just lock them so you can only take one

[spare talon]

I can't recall any ogryn changes that shook things up that much
The biggest change I remember is FNP but that fundamentally didn't change how it was used

[fleet zealot]

IoD rework was just, the one good change i remember

[hard nexus]

also +2 wounds should be innate to martyrdom imo

[fleet zealot]

it's bait otherwise lol, seeing +2 wounds taken off martyrdom scares me

[copper hawk]

The change killed fnp lol u said it 2 me urself when i asked about hh over fnp many moons ago

[naive stirrup]

part of the keystone yeah

[spare talon]

But it's still fundamentally "dr: the keystone, it just works"

[fleet zealot]

yea but it still needed the nerf, they just need to push through a change that makes it additive with itself but multiplicative to other sources, it's a fuck up but ehh, idc, it's ogryn

[delicate shadow]

yeah, I just want CDR to be good but reigned in enough that you're not able to get a 10 second or lower cooldown

[fleet zealot]

who are literally up there when it comes to "no our class isn't busted at all" whenever you see something insane done in an ogryn meta. Burning PBB, current karsolas

[naive stirrup]

spamming fury off 12 second cd is not ok but it happens a lot still

[spare talon]

A huge factor in why zealot hasn't had many significant changes is because the tree is just really strong already

[delicate shadow]

watching Ogryns complain about being the weakest class between clips of Ogryns absolutely demolishing screens

[copper hawk]

Exactly !! All my argument is me hinging on CLASS ATTENTION - im arguing we are the most neglected, and we need something even like ogryn; it speaks volumes when I call one of the "2 massive reworks" for Ogryn being 4 talents moving around because zealot needs even just that, that's HUGE for us

[fleet zealot]

10 seconds , really is peak idk why they buffed it from the pre release patch notes to the patch day notes

[copper hawk]

Ogryn weapons are massively neglected (cleavers), Zealot as a whole needs a change to bring us in line with the changes to other classes post enemy buff that happened a year ago

[naive stirrup]

I get the argument of having very few viable builds but after picking up ogryn again very recently I've noticed that they're still VERY strong

[fleet zealot]

i think it went from, +150% to +175% to settling on it's now +200%, i'm pretty sure this is just more evidence of fatshark pandering to the worst players (skill and attitude) in the community, so afraid of people seeing it as a nerf (when evi gave it back in 3 swings in a horde or knife would farm cdr every swing really fast, depending on which pre rework IoD)

[spare talon]

Most neglected because we needed the least touchups out of the box
They'll get around to it, but zealots needed it less than others

[delicate shadow]

I'm not inherently disagreeing but you believing that the ogryn changes are 2 massive reworks doesn't really speak volumes beyond that being your personal POV

[copper hawk]

Idk how we've had so little changes with such a stagnant and dead talent tree; 5 points for a blitz ? Tness regen separated by 4 points of talents ? A node in place of a talent on left column middle row ? Unremitting ??? Vet has talents that give two buffs in one talent in droves !!

[spare talon]

And their tree needed tons of adjustments

[fleet zealot]

i think zealot tree also struggles with identity, each branch is supposed to be a career by vt2 terms

[copper hawk]

So does ours !! We can walk and chew gum at the same time

[spare talon]

You are comparing a complete skill tree to one that didn't even have keystones on launch

[north sedge]

They should move 3 random nodes each patch just to keep people on their toes (make them get angry over nothing)

[copper hawk]

2 things can be true at once; that's what ive been saying !! We've been neglected for so long, we need touch ups PLS !! We fundamentally agree

[fleet zealot]

and for the most part, the other classes can all go down one branch and have a functioning build, but zealot makes NO fucking sense. martyrdom has ranged and support nodes, when it has no viable cdr option for straight middle banisher, and has range buffs despite being the only keystone that doesn't affect range

[spare talon]

Vet had NO TOUGHNESS NODES AT THE TOP of the tree
Like REALLY

[clever swan]

it's beautiful, they're getting so passionate and it's all about darktide

[naive stirrup]

i know very little of launch status but current status, most classes are in decent spots but still need minor tweaks to be perfect

[fleet zealot]

crit stuff is in the top right and bottom left wtf, the only thing consistent is the backstab bonuses of the right side

otherwise there is no rhyme or reason, there is no preacher, banisher, death cult assassin, just variants on the same zealot build

[naive stirrup]

i didn't know ij affected range until i mag dumped a burgle like 40% faster than usual

[copper hawk]

2 massive reworks when compared to Zealot - they are. We have never had a change like that. That's what my argument was, and what I meant by "we haven't had a change like that" being objectively true — which is why I called them "massive". A change like that with Zealot would be huge for us.

[fleet zealot]

ranged zealot should be a thing and it should probably be on the right side, with some generalized crit stuff on the left as well. and replace loner with a way for zealot to have ammo economy

[spare talon]

reminder that this is what vets skill tree looked like on launch
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/16yiw2d/veteran_skill_tree_patch_13/

[copper hawk]

No - I'm comparing the changes, not the original trees at launch. This is an entirely different statement. I'm saying that with all the changes made to all the other classes, we are overdue for changes.

[naive stirrup]

oh gawd that's awful

[spare talon]

they are still relevent because vet changes were needed first because they didnt even have keystones yet and didnt have a single toughness node at the top
that is a change that they made after the release of the trees, the same time the zealot tree we're currently talking about dropped

[copper hawk]

Yes, they were needed then. Then has happened, now we need changes too. We are now in that position. This is what I mean by two things being able to be true simultaneously.

[fleet zealot]

idc about vet too much cause they had busted exploit weakness/rending shit, and the biggest nerf to them just happened to be demo team only giving nades to them

[delicate shadow]

we're overdue sure, the tree also needed some nerfing which took priority, for better or worse

[spare dome]

i mean that image is awful -- the overlay of the text on the nodes is ... super atrocious to lay my eyes upon as a UI, but that aside, that tree is cracked as fuck lmao

[copper hawk]

Yah iod needed thst shit lmfao that was nuts, wish i could embed my medzl clip of old iod

[fleet zealot]

not directed sure their tree sucked but they remained busted asf.

Directed: I'm surprised they caught on punishment needing a nerf, it made chaxe and heavy sword, and probably evi and crusher busted asf for easy value. Chaxe could bully mauler and rager packs with old pre nerf punishment

[copper hawk]

Pwnishment

Slowmode was actually good 4 us we have actual discussionz naow

[spare talon]

i agree zealot needs changes, but i disagree with the fact that they need a tuneup before ogryn, the other class who hasnt recieved a major tree shakeup

like seriously, its literally ogryn, look at what classes people look for in havoc groups and how many people pick the zealot over the ogryn

[delicate shadow]

yeah looping chastises for infinite crit dash madness was el cooked

[clever swan]

from baby speak to well reasoned arguments zealot chat has it all

[royal vortex]

they should bring back 2022 zealot where every weapon with shred either didn't take it or sucked and crit cdr was mostly a joke

[fleet zealot]

stockholm syndrome

[naive stirrup]

it's still possible just in a less wtf way

[spare dome]

bring back TWBS vs Holy Rev debates

[copper hawk]

Gonna hit u w le epic anecdote for your anecdote "look for in havoc groups... " but I felt from my experience in h40 as an ogryn it was incredibly easy to play; I clutched w 3 psykers and max damaged

[royal vortex]

real gamers took faith restores all because they refused to engage in unethical talent behavior

[delicate shadow]

yeee ik, I just remember cruising through auric with a dclaw and laspistol and being god

[fleet zealot]

zealot NEEDS identity from their tree most of all imo, psyker's is bloated asf but zealot's tree identity is terrible and I will die on this hill

[delicate shadow]

(because chastise laspistol was still a thing)

[copper hawk]

I look at bleed on heavy hit and i look at unremitting and i smile like thanos on my weird alien gourdshit farm

[spare talon]

but you also see how many people are also talking about the state of ogryn, thats also a telltale sign something needs to change wit hthem

[naive stirrup]

dclaw user, based
old fury affecting ranged is what made flamer busted as hell too right?

[drifting wolf]

yes

[fleet zealot]

there is no reason for some of these node placements unless they are really planning to abandon the "talent trees are 3 careers in one". cause it's also new player friendly, don't know how to make a build? Just go all down one branch, it's basically a career at that point

[copper hawk]

Iiiii dont know, the state of the average player Cole ,, U and meow know this well ,,

[naive stirrup]

something something infinite rending

[delicate shadow]

I think part of the reason zealot hasn't seen a reshuffling yet is the zealot tree is very stable, as in you just take a generic build and you'll be extremely effective

[naive stirrup]

zealot is very new player friendly i feel

[fleet zealot]

tbf, some of that is just ogryn players biting their own ass cause of their reaction to the 2 node swap which has led to a negative feedback loop of havoc bullshit.

[copper hawk]

People whined over the power sword nerf, didnt meant it was suddenly a "dogshit weapon" like they said because of the nerf

[fleet zealot]

ogryns get denied from havocs, someone invites an ogryn "on risk" and it's a bad ogryn not using karsolas or shield, or using shield poorly. ogryns complain, community complains, shit circle

[delicate shadow]

yeah some of the ogryn moaning is community melodrama

[copper hawk]

To clarify, Ogryn needs a major wpn touch up - not saying Ogryn is broken or doesnt need changes before we start arguing at the extremes

[north sedge]

People cry about nerfs even when it's nothing

[fleet zealot]

WHY ARE YOU LIGHT SPAMMING WITH SHIELD, CHECK YOUR IMPLANT SLAB

[fleet zealot]

people cry about reworks that aren't even nerfs, see brutal momentum rework, which objectively made it a better blessing as you can now just one shot 4 elites per swing with it, but people were crying then

[royal vortex]

because that's breaking the dichotomy. it's nerf or nothing, it cannot be both. you should know this

[copper hawk]

The general player only plays like malice too; even the devs have trouble clearing the hardest difficulty lol so, like Aquino said, I feel generally whining of that nature should be taken w a grain if salt when handing out reworks

[fleet zealot]

weapon touch up and partial rework on fnp cause the current form can't be intended

[copper hawk]

The squeakiest wheel gets the grease; the loudest mouth gets fed first, doesnt necessarily mean that loud ass bird is starving more than the other lil chiclets

[fleet zealot]

it's an over nerf, deserved nerf, but it's multiplicative with itself which makes no sense, imagine if martyrdom was multiplicative with itself per stack

[delicate shadow]

there are some devs that are H40 capable

[copper hawk]

Meanz it's actually an evil FUCKED UP cuckoo brood parasite ,,

[fleet zealot]

it should be additive with itself, multiplicative with the rest of the sources no? Or am i going crazy believing slab propaganda idk

[naive stirrup]

h40 dev stream sounds like it could be fun

[copper hawk]

LMFAO i love this it's like seeing water resistant on hair shavers

[fleet zealot]

yea i don't think it's a dev capability issue+ you want some streams of information from all skill levels. i think the devs are just trying to please everyone and failing

[copper hawk]

Rated SPF HAV 40 tertium sunscreen

[delicate shadow]

it would be, the chat would be a hellscape but also it'd be very funny watching some people freak out over knowing "le shitter devs" are way better at the game than they are

[fleet zealot]

they have their data, they have their various communities, and playtesters, and dev team, and a wide range of difficulties (malice, heresy, damn, aurics, auric maels, and now havoc)

[delicate shadow]

a classic pitfall of a lot of game dev nowadays

[fleet zealot]

dev hack accusations in 3, 2, 1

[copper hawk]

I cant walk or chew gum i am also incapable of nuanced co.plex thought (mold eated my neuronz) so i blame the playtesterz KYAAAAA anthrax MAILED !!

[naive stirrup]

i would pay money to see some people get humbled.
i get humbled almost daily on this game because i think I'm pretty good at this game, but every now and then some random will show up with a nonsensical build and wipe the floor with the nearest enemies' face

[clever swan]

literally so true

[naive stirrup]

i find great joy in seeing dumb builds work

[copper hawk]

Dont wrry cole even if u HATEZ me i still lovez u.. i wont 4get what u said 2 me at that wonderful winery in venice right b4 we smooched 4 the final time on a bittersweet summer's eve..

[delicate shadow]

I was kinda hoping havoc would egocheck some people but instead they just mald about "artificial difficulty" instead

(mind you I do prefer my difficulty to be organic free range)

[spare dome]

oh that was entirely my expectation lmao. not for one second did i anticipate differently

[spare talon]

there are 2 builds ogryn has, melee and gun, not just in the fact the pathing basically forces you into one or the other, but because you have to invest basically all into one side to make it usable, and even then half of the talents you are forced to take in these builds are just flat out not good, not to mention the ones that you dont take and one keystone quite literally being the functionally worst one in the entire game by far

like we joke about the fact that zealot only has 3 builds (non crit, crit, and crit hybrid) but in reality you both have the choice and ability to make builds beyond that and still succeed with ease, you arent locked out of talents by your choice in blitz or ability like ogryn is, and if we're gonna be real most of zealots talents are pretty good compared to the options laid out for you on ogryn (yes we do have some real stinkers but compare that with ogryns stinkers being like 50%+ of the tree)

[copper hawk]

U whispered into my ear ,, "this cannot continue" and disappeared into the sunset ,,

[delicate shadow]

meanwhile you also got some people, who shall remain nameless, that got utterly hard carried through H40 and now have an ego

[copper hawk]

LMFAO yes tee hee !!

[spare talon]

what do i do with this ego i got

[delicate shadow]

flex on the forums or smth idk

[spare dome]

get zealot chat slow mode'd

[naive stirrup]

i got ego checked hard
but i was also able to adapt pretty fast to things like gunners instantly killing you now if you position poorly

[spare talon]

people kept saying "nah youre wrong, skill issue" when i was telling them havoc was gonna be a reality check
they didnt believe me
but i was right

[fleet zealot]

like, data is one thing, fatshark needs to learn to read data or get a program that sorts their data further, like how EP smite got buffed by 50% despite already being meta, likely because people were going Smite->Shield->EP instead of warp charges for more shield use and less chance of blowing up, or venting shriek for more synergy to damage EP smite

[copper hawk]

Troo but zeal needz a turn ogryn got 2 we need 1..

[delicate shadow]

part of the fun of havoc is that moment you realise you gotta tackle it differently

[naive stirrup]

that you were. honestly just makes the h40 clears i have more worth

[copper hawk]

Part of the fun in havoc is complaining nonstop in game and micromanagin ur teammatez

[delicate shadow]

like I fucking HATE the ladder system to it but the actual mode is a decent step up from the boredom of auric 24/7

[naive stirrup]

my first h40 was on gloriana and the first attempt on that was getting barreled too fsr forward and getting cut in half by a captain who spawned before we made it past the opening area LOL

[copper hawk]

Those ppl arent in this chat so i cant make them feeled called out ,, siiiigh !

[spare talon]

i still fundamentally disagree with the fact that ogryn has had "2 major tree updates"

[spare dome]

No the simplest truth is reality with the smite buff. It was buffed to do more damage. It's not that it didn't do 'enough' damage, it was about lowering the amount of time people kept sitting in Smite-mode to 'clear hordes'. Sadly still no answer that just ... limits the amount of time you can Smite for.

[copper hawk]

Compared 2 us - also this is a semantics argument, there's no way we can agree it's purely philistine in nature

[naive stirrup]

ladder system is hell yes but at least you can not deal with it if you do a higher level, got that at least

[spare dome]

Also you gotta be careful with Smite because at lower difficulties/for more casual players it is this amazing God-send of an ability and they loooooooooove Smite.

[fleet zealot]

fatshark needs to also learn the lesson of every multiplayer game ever that you have to control the conversation and steer community opinion with change explanations to curb reaction malding. Low skill levels/low difficulties should be balanced around feels and outliers, and high difficulties/high skill etc should be balanced around specific breakpoints and time to kill and efficiency. Because those players will actually notice and feel those changes. they are also the ones more likely to play the game long term, and be content creators

[copper hawk]

It's objective however to say they've had more changes than us so yo mama times 1000 !!

[naive stirrup]

smite is still boring and cringe

[spare dome]

Negative, people use it in a way that is boring and cringe.

[fleet zealot]

assail deja vu, psyker is just a balance disaster, i'm pretty sure I could go grief malice lobbies with scrier's EP assail now, just like the good ole days

[spare dome]

At Malice? They wouldn't call you a griefer, they'd hoist you upon their shoulders and hail you a hero.

[spare talon]

remember when martyrdom was buffed
remember when stalwart was buffed
remember when iod was buffed
remember when fotf got its armor downgrade/rending properties reworked
remember when chorus stagger on bosses was reworked (twice)
remember when IJ and punishment was nerfed

[naive stirrup]

no, it's just boring and cringe. perma stun is a neat tool but after a while you get bored, though in havoc there's a use for it outside of killing everything with EP

[fleet zealot]

nah i think it's just not popular now (and also less reason for high skill players to play lower diffs besides speed running seditions) but if this assail was in the game back when it was a problem, it would have needed a nerf, I remember the assail complaints and how it made the game a ghost town

we need to find whatever is hypnotizing the psyker playerbase into going, I MUST SUPPORT, I MUST STUNBOT, I DO NOT NEED TO DEAL DAMAGE

[delicate shadow]

yeah it's nice you can quasi-skip over it

[spare dome]

Yes, the perma-stun is what's cringe. Having an instant draw on-demand stun for key targets is very potent, the issue is there is no hard ceiling to its use and that turns the game into a Psykhanium at the whims of one player.

[spare talon]

the most i can remember for ogryn is FNP and delight in destruction nerf, the reshuffle of 4 talents that most people forgot about, and the baking in of a PBB node

[fleet zealot]

the voices i guess. also can we rant about smite psykers is blight modified havocs?

[delicate shadow]

but like the ladder system (and the bugginess around it and general server unreliability) is the source of the biggest legitimate gripes with the mode

[copper hawk]

Mmmm i looove nerfs om nom nom i think u named like all our changes actually

[fleet zealot]

I fucking hate smykers, I love not being able to reach the enemy because they are stunned on the other side of a bunch of puddles and the psyker just "?" in chat when I ask him to stop fucking smiting the horde constantly

[naive stirrup]

ladder system is why i didn't touch havoc until i was invited to a 40 lobby by a friend

[copper hawk]

Zame I just hopped into a random h40 as ogryn and we made it

[spare talon]

there was also swift certainty

[misty ravine]

That's just a mindset that will never fully go away. There will always be people who insist they're being bigbrains for "actually thinking about something other than damage", even in the pre-Havoc and especially pre-Auric days when it really was most efficient to just kill everything

[copper hawk]

There was also yo mama

[naive stirrup]

the most efficient way to not die and to win is to kill everything before it kills you

[copper hawk]

Look at this vid that goes over all the changes zealot has had and why we need a buff cole : https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0?si=dbI9qSkB3kANGCWw @spare talon

[spare dome]

I've made posts and even a video to try and get people to be less dipshitted about using Smite but, the game basically pushes you to doing it the lamest possible way so. It's in FatShark's hands ultimately.

[north sedge]

cole's right, cica is wrong, simple as

[spare talon]

im not clicking on that

[copper hawk]

We fundamentally agree u noobe.. joshogrubz these dayz i swer..

[copper hawk]

It's educational !

[fleet zealot]

i'm right everyone else is wrong, ur all unethical crutchers who don't use mk4 chaxe with martyrdom no cdr as the god emperor intended

[copper hawk]

I would never bait or troll u cole u can trust me

[north sedge]

no unfortunately someone is wrong, so now you must eat stan's food

[fleet zealot]

and not using the vigilant mk3 as well, for maximum ethics

[fiery ingot]

hey guys im struggling to find people in party finder. havoc 1-10 are easier than auric right? so i should be fine with only 2 people?

[clever swan]

ye probably

[spare talon]

1-10 is malice
literally

[naive stirrup]

1-10 is malice yeah
cole beat me to it

[fiery ingot]

oh fuck ok lol ty. put plasma setup cause i was scared it was gonna be hard

[clever swan]

should be pretty easy tbh

[royal vortex]

i'd rather lower my brown price to $0

[copper hawk]

Real image of u . Summer ante ,

[north sedge]

crab you're a learned man

[spare talon]

joshos gonna brown

[copper hawk]

Learnèd* ,, ziiiiigh ,,,

[royal vortex]

lurnd

[north sedge]

knock knock

[copper hawk]

U rlly r one of those rust playerz

[royal vortex]

a profound series of events

[north sedge]

did not know that a tuna melt should be hot

[spare dome]

well things dont usually melt when theyre cold

[fleet zealot]

i curse you with too cold cheese and toppings on your cheeseburger

[royal vortex]

stan would just convert it into the coveted hamburger salad

[spare dome]

i heard he's the new lead chef for the white house

[fleet zealot]

like they didn't even put the cheese on the patty before they took it off the grill and put it on the bun

[north sedge]

God that first hamburger salad reveal was wild

[royal vortex]

the best part was us both thinking he had just started randomly listing foods

[delicate shadow]

I'm far too Mediterranean for this

[drifting wolf]

all is fine then

[misty ravine]

I feel like I missed something, are we roasting jack scalfani

[ornate bone]

I heard the hamburgler is running for president

[spare dome]

no thats grimace, and they already won

[ornate bone]

I have no clue I'm just having a good little giggle 😆

[vestal oyster]

is there a way to get infinite throwing knives?

[copper hawk]

Kill specialists/elites w ur tknife

[ornate bone]

Omg thanos is president ?

[drifting wolf]

ammo crates actually have a hidden stash of knives only zealots have access to

[copper hawk]

I have a pawesome gif i cant post..

[vestal oyster]

guys, spearhead bolter or bolt pistol?

[naive stirrup]

depends on melee weapon
what are you running?

[copper hawk]

Bolter

[vestal oyster]

paired with relic blade idk if that changes the choice tho

[copper hawk]

Bolter, unyielding carapace/flak, puncture + shattering impact

[naive stirrup]

relic blade i would run bistol just for mobility reasons

[fleet zealot]

i'd go bolt pistol with relic blade so you have an actual sprinting options out of combat

[copper hawk]

Id run bolter to burst down bosses and thin crusher packs/mauler packs before making contact

Like a pilum into the shields of barbarians before charging to reduce their threat

No pun intended (spearhead bolter, pilum spear) nyohohoho

[misty ravine]

If you're going throwing knives, they do the usual role of pistol on Zealot (fast deletion of squishy-but-dangerous specials and weaker elites) and help you draw the bolter faster via animation cancel

Yes you can't run as fast but pace is dead now, we advance at bubble/choir speed

[vague depot]

i would just take bolt pistol to run faster lmao

[copper hawk]

I dont rlly understand it

[north sedge]

Absurd

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/H7gws94BRN4?si=lam8PQtDBMu86W8C

[copper hawk]

U get to the enemies fast enough already, it shaves off like mby 2 seconds before making contact

Run forward to enemies, proceed to dodge backwardz

[fleet zealot]

no tanks

[copper hawk]

Run fast for a few seconds OR kill ogryn pack/burge/plogryn in one mag ,, ur choice bistol o bolter ,,@vestal oyster

[vestal oyster]

i loooove big bolter i cant lie

i could maybe run a dagger if i feel like i need speed but the relic bolter combo feels gooooood

[copper hawk]

Yeeeeessss... goooooood.. nyahahahaha...

[vestal oyster]

i wish i could be dripped out on my zealot 😦

[vestal oyster]

are there any particularly good zealot sets i should wait for

[spare talon]

next one is going to be a banger

[vestal oyster]

how long til then

[spare talon]

thursday

[vestal oyster]

hooray!

[copper hawk]

What is it

[clever swan]

white armor

#psyker-class message

[orchid cipher]

it got posted on the reddit

[copper hawk]

I dont reddit can some1 post the zealot one somewhere not in timeout pretty pl0x0rz

[clever swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1333624255379935232/1737976018.png?ex=679991e0&is=67984060&hm=feed15f5ace8dca67cb5ffd304a6fc23982f41a3006ba6d640ae4aca427bf285&

[spare talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ib6teu/new_cosmetics_in_new_hotfix/

[jagged cradle]

Cica!

[copper hawk]

Am i a worm 4 not liking the zeal one

[jagged cradle]

You don’t like it??

[copper hawk]

Hallo

[vestal oyster]

i won't be wearing that helmet

[spare talon]

we also finally
finally
finally
finally
finally
finally
finally
get a dclaw skin that isnt just a jpeg

[jagged cradle]

Can you try my helbore build I haven’t had time to test it

[vestal oyster]

the chest is cool tho

[hard nexus]

dogshit was buffed into just shit
stalwart was just made usable
IOD was absurdly broken
FotF was just a nerf for ranged weapons
chorus was a nerf, then a rebuff but still net nerf
i dont remember punishment being nerfed thoug
and SC wasnt really relevant to anyone other than speed runners

what did punishment have changed?

[spare talon]

from 30% impact per stack to 5% lmao

[copper hawk]

I cant play tonight srry, at work rn and i have an mrt class at 0730 tomorrow so i have to get up at 0630

[hard nexus]

ohhhh right

made into completely dogshit

[jagged cradle]

Aww that’s alright I’ll make someone try it

[hard nexus]

what is it

[copper hawk]

Another nerf 2 zealot

[spare talon]

fotf change was also a buff for melees tho
because instead of changing what profile it uses, its +100% melee rending, which both helps weapons that arent good against both armor types, and also still benefits weapons with positive adms by just being a flat 25% damage bump

[jagged cradle]

It’s so awesome and cool I can’t tell you

[hard nexus]

it was still a net nerf, if you consider how OP gun zealot was with it
it was a needed nerf, but a nerf nonetheless

[jagged cradle]

It’s just a helbore build I brainstormed and haven’t tried yet

[orchid cipher]

martyrdom is peak. sorry

[hard nexus]

is it keystoneless?

[jagged cradle]

No?

[hard nexus]

fun, but its bad :(

[orchid cipher]

just run wounds and have fun. You can crush aurics anyway lol

[jagged cradle]

Wow meow 😔

[hard nexus]

i mean yeah, but comparing martyrdom to either IJ or BP, its just nowhere near them, mainly due to IJs dodge buffs, and BPs CDR

[hard nexus]

keystoneless helbore is a lot of fun

[copper hawk]

Vet going from no keystones to not needing a keystone ..

[spare talon]

yeah but we werent talking about who needs buffs vs nerfs
we were talking about who needs a rework next

[jagged cradle]

And what would that look like? The build

[hard nexus]

ohg fair

(it’s zealot)

[orchid cipher]

yeah, zealot skill tree is complete cheeks structurally

[spare talon]

its ogryn

[hard nexus]

lemme launch dt and check what my build is, i’ll ping u in psyker chat

[spare talon]

zealot needs a tree rework but its not as dire as ogryns situation

#darktide-pics-vids message

[jagged cradle]

Oh boy Yipee

[worldly patio]

do stats reroll when you consecrate a weapon? I thought I had a super dank base for a relic blade but I guess not?

[grizzled aspen]

Ogryn has two builds because half the tree is nonfunctional. At least with zealout, our whole tree is functional, even if it's not all viable. (stealth works but it's bad)

[worldly patio]

it went from 2% heat management to 69% when I consecrated... sorry I'm kinda new, I'm just trying to figure out how this all works

[copper hawk]

#zealot-class message starts here

[worldly patio]

do I need to be looking at the yellow bar instead of the actual stat %

[mighty root]

I wonder what the future holds for zealots and orgyns

[copper hawk]

My first bait #zealot-class message @hard nexus

[grizzled aspen]

Sometimes Hadron gets silly and shifts numbers up and down 1%. Outside of that, you can see what your max stats are supposed to be before you upgrade it at all. If the right number is, say, 76%, then it'll upgrade to that point and no further for that stat.

[hard nexus]

evil beast

[grizzled aspen]

For relic blade, btw, you want mobility to cap out at 60%. The difference between 60% and 80% is like a 2% dodge distance difference, which is negligible considering you're already at -18% or whatever.

[drowsy steppe]

wth is the theme for this

[worldly patio]

well I had a good base and the heat management shifted from 60% max to 80% max when I consecrated

[spare talon]

snow

[copper hawk]

Tell me what u think pooknificent ,, if u readz it ,,

[worldly patio]

I thought okay thats a good base because I want heat mgmt as a dump stat, but I guess not?

[grizzled aspen]

That's not a good base to begin with. Heat management is an important stat.

[hard nexus]

14%, the same as evis

[worldly patio]

what does good base stat distribution look like for a relic blade?

[grizzled aspen]

Still, the difference between 60-80% mobility is negligible and doesn't matter.

[worldly patio]

I just dont know why it shifted from 60 to 80% when I consecrated it to max, am I basically stat gambling every time I consecrate?

[grizzled aspen]

Dump mobility.

[mighty root]

Can someone help me pick a monitor

I’d there a big difference between g sync compatible and ultimate?

[fiery ingot]

left numbers are the current stats, right numbers are what they're gonna look like when you fully empower the weapon. you'd want mobilty right number to be 60-ish and everything else 80 or as close as possible

[worldly patio]

That makes sense, but the number on the right went from 60% to 80% after consecration

[fiery ingot]

thats a bug i think. because consecrate shouldnt affect weapon stats

[worldly patio]

so I just need to keep buying/upgrading to find a decent relic blade basically

[fiery ingot]

yes

[worldly patio]

and I want mobility as a dump stat even if I'm using boltgun as my secondary?

[fiery ingot]

yes

[copper hawk]

On an unconscecrated weapons, tne number on the left is the current stat the weapo his, the lighter shade bar is the total amount that is upgradable, right is the max it can be upgraded to - and yes

For just about literally every weapon in the game Defences and Mobility are the dumps, barring a few unique exceptions (Flamer, Bolter, Psyker wpns)

[worldly patio]

so maybe I should buy one, consecrate it once and then see how it rolls and then go from there?

[fiery ingot]

the number on the left is the current stat*

[worldly patio]

my current relic blade is pretty bad but I'm surviving t4 and t5s

[fiery ingot]

no. you buy, if the stats are good, consecrate. the consecrate shouldnt affect the stats numbers

[copper hawk]

U dont need 2 conscecrate it to see its mac stat, it's the right number

[worldly patio]

mine did change the max % though, which someone said is a bug and thats unfortunate

[copper hawk]

It'll look something like this:
Mobility
23% [=======] 60%

[grizzled aspen]

Are you sure you didn't just consecrate the wrong weapon?

[copper hawk]

Some wpns will get 61% max stat due to a rounding error

[fiery ingot]

bro i cant post even a print to help lil bro wtf is this cursed channel

[copper hawk]

Chat for the neglected and forsaken class

[worldly patio]

no mine went from 60% maximum heat to 80% after I consecrated, so I wasted a bunch of plasteel but its fine, I'm only level 26

[grizzled aspen]

Hadron can shift up to 2% across the entire weapon, I've never seen or heard of her changing a stat more than that.

[north sedge]

You sure you consecrated and not empower

[copper hawk]

Yah u either read it wrong or conscecrated the wrong weapon

[royal vortex]

emshower

[north sedge]

Dick costco's rocking emshower

[worldly patio]

No I consecrated the correct weapon, I'll just keep buying new ones and rerolling its fine

[copper hawk]

Can u post a screenshot of the weapon in another chat wait nvm ur a gray name FUCK !!!!

[fiery ingot]

i did oh you mean him

[worldly patio]

already discarded it sorry, stats were booty

[copper hawk]

U couldve kept it 2 upgrade ur mastery if u havent maxed it for that wpn yet

[worldly patio]

its maxed

[copper hawk]

Pawesome

[jagged cradle]

Not pawsome

[worldly patio]

I'll buy some more of them lets see

[jagged cradle]

Why is zealot chat in slow mode again ?

[copper hawk]

Pins

[jagged cradle]

Unfort

[north sedge]

We believe in a slower pace of life around here

[jagged cradle]

I can’t help but laugh that I ever so slightly contributed to this mb

[drowsy steppe]

time is a flat circle the way it keeps being asked here

[grizzled aspen]

We got a little too silly and/or goofy...

[jagged cradle]

You’re the problem frog

[hard nexus]

i didn’t contribute at all !

i am pure of heart and nobody here has any qualms with me :3

[jagged cradle]

Lmfao sure sure you’re the purest of us all definitely totally not even a sliver of a doubt

[worldly patio]

if I'm not gonna use MK X relic blade for the horde clear, whats a different melee to combo with the bolter that would be good? I'm using holy symbol and spec'd everything into crit chance abilities but I can change it up

[vestal oyster]

is holy revenant and that one perk that makes you not die when killed mandatory?

[worldly patio]

I'm using holy symbol and spec'd everything into crit chance abilities but I can change it up

[copper hawk]

Uh kinda it's really good to not take

There's not much equally valuable in the zealot tree to sacrifice for it lol

[carmine falcon]

crusher whips mixed hordes around
takes longer to kill but controls hordes like a beast

[worldly patio]

maybe I'll give the crusher another chance then, is there a particular variant you prefer?

most of my friends are slightly lower level and were still doing tier 3s so I have time to skill up another melee

[hard nexus]

there’s only one mark

i’d recommend trying evis, heavy sword, crusher, uhhmmm

[carmine falcon]

leveling is fun just try out weapons and stuff and get a feel for what u like and what u dont like ez

[worldly patio]

I've used eviscerator and seemed to jive with the relic blade a bit more, I just love the attack pattern and the horde clear ability, special on the evisc wrecks elites though

[hard nexus]

relic is just super OP so fair

[worldly patio]

I'll probably go back to crusher and see how I jive with that, I appreciate the recs

[copper hawk]

Yo mama

[copper hawk]

Troo !! me on the other hand ,,

[merry flume]

all ur faulte

[copper hawk]

Every1 HATE ME !!!

[hard nexus]

oh em geeeeee hi vic

[north sedge]

There's a crusher guide you should check in the pins

[worldly patio]

oh nice I will peep that

[merry flume]

hi gamer, is there any gaming going on tonight

[hard nexus]

unfortunately it is midnight and i have work tomorrow :(

[worldly patio]

I'm neetmaxxing atm, I will probably play one or two more sessions

[clever swan]

not a single game gaming

[copper hawk]

I wish i could game Army says no

[merry flume]

such is life when your days off are sunday and tuesday...

[copper hawk]

I dont even have time 2 shower i have 2 go to sleep like asleep asleep in the next 30 mins 2 get adequate sleep I HATE IT HERE !!!!!

[worldly patio]

it should be a crime to not have two consecutive days off (to rot in front of the computer)

[hard nexus]

a quick PTA shower

pits
tits
ass

also known as a “tactical” shower

[worldly patio]

we call that a hoe bath where I come from

[hard nexus]

sorry but i think ur just a hoe

[merry flume]

a washcloth in a sink is quicker and more thorough than a hoe bath

[copper hawk]

Mmm ncopd once a week god im at my wit's end

[worldly patio]

the boot fits

[copper hawk]

[vestal oyster]

what blessings for boltgun spearhead?

[copper hawk]

Puncture shattering

[vestal oyster]

and then what for my relic blade?

[hard nexus]

flak elites

[copper hawk]

I HATE MRT !! cranial rampage flak elites (for havoc, wrath cranial)

[vestal oyster]

👍

[worldly patio]

I'm running carapace + maniacs on my relic blade but maybe once I get to auric I'll have to change it up, I'm only 26

I have 35 hours in the game lol

[vestal oyster]

i'm seeing a lot of people running cavalcade pinning fire, any reason to take one set over the other?

[copper hawk]

Max crits to delete burgles

[grizzled aspen]

This is revolting. Wash correctly.

[worldly patio]

oh the blessings I'm using are syphon and wrath, I was talking perks... not sure if those are good blessings or not

Not sure that I need the extra cleave on relic blade, its probably a waste?

[jagged cradle]

That is correctly

[grizzled aspen]

Syphon is both bad and completely unnecessary. Cranial is a boost to your dps when your sword is off and prevents you from overheating quickly. Wrath is not a waste as unpowered cleave is lackluster and it allows you to get scourge value.

[worldly patio]

that makes sense, I'll switch to cranial and see how that does

[carmine falcon]

ive been running rampage carnial it deletes everthing in both states

[grizzled aspen]

No it is not lmao, I bet you have loads of dead skin that needs exfoliating.

[grizzled aspen]

The funny part about rampage is you wind up doing too much damage to get scourge value because you kill things too well.

[carmine falcon]

if they die they die

[jagged cradle]

Nope I bite it off

[delicate shadow]

casual reminder that having a good skin and hair care routine is goated

[copper hawk]

Grah u reminded me i need to do a full body shave for my laser appointment aaeeeuuugh that's gonna take FOREVER !!!!!!

[cobalt lintel]

guys I’m about to make my first zealot what should I know about the class 🤓

[merry flume]

warhammer fandom so cooked the mod team has to subliminally inject ideas in the users heads

[copper hawk]

Push forward and path to tknivez, always try 2 be in the thick of melee, use Second Wind, learn to dodge and when to dodge, along w enemy attack patterns

[worldly patio]

I'm only level 26, AND its my only character, AND I only have 35 hours... but it seems like the best class in the game

[fiery ingot]

go bonk. only pull your ranged weapon if you cant reach them

[vestal oyster]

if i consecrate a curio, can it's blessing quality increase?

[grizzled aspen]

Brother I don't mean dead skin on your fingers, I mean across your whole body. Get an exfoliating sponge and wash your back with it sometime.

[jagged cradle]

I do that too dw I keep my twink imagine perfectly well

[copper hawk]

Yah

[cobalt lintel]

thank you all 🤑

[vestal oyster]

is it a chance or is it guaranteed

[drifting wolf]

found the lizard

[worldly patio]

actually I lied I did try veteran too but I wasn't jiving with it... maybe ogyrn next

[grizzled aspen]

The rating of a curio will not increase. If it's a 14% toughness curio, it will be that forever.

[vestal oyster]

oh ok got it, so curio rng is now my life

[copper hawk]

Yah that but the others can change

[grizzled aspen]

The perks of a curio are interchangeable to whatever you want, yeah.

[worldly patio]

consecrating a curio just increases the power of the perks on it basically?

[tame sluice]

veteran sucks to level because damn near every one of their good abilities are at the absolute bottom of the skill tree, and everything else is filler garbage

[grizzled aspen]

Consecration allows up to 3 perks at transcendent. The quality of the perks is irrelevant as you can change them to be maximum quality whenever you want.

[worldly patio]

gotcha

[grizzled aspen]

hit level 5
shredders
win

[worldly patio]

Veteran did seem kinda rough to level up, their auras seem kinda mid but I didn't look much further down the tree

[grizzled aspen]

Survivalist is op. Fire team is meh. Close and kill is meh.

[ornate bone]

Close and kill, more like NYOOOOOOOOOOOM

[tame sluice]

survivalist is mid outside of havoc where it's excellent, fire team is mid but very cheap skill point wise, movement speed aura is p good, but expensive to get to

[worldly patio]

I'll try out survivalist if I get my veteran to havoc, I'm just leveling him up on the side, I'm just enjoying zealot too much to care

probably hit 30 tomorrow on zealot if I go sweaty

[heady rapids]

Yeah it's basically a fuckload of ammo vs "I kinda wanna take this talent but I don't have enough points", there's no actual choice there aura wise

lower part of the tree is where the juicy talents are

[grizzled aspen]

I literally just watched a trapper shoot her net after burning to death.

[worldly patio]

dang I cant post images in this channel, but is all 80% with 60% mobility dump stat a decent base for relic blade? or should I find better

Ill just keep buying if not

[fiery ingot]

80% is the max value you can get in a stat so yes

[worldly patio]

cool I'll upgrade this one then, appreciate it

[grizzled aspen]

That is the best stat base.

[worldly patio]

awesome, I got it fully pimped out, and put cranial + wrath on it for blessing

[fiery ingot]

man havoc is so much more fun than auric but why is it limited to party finder? cant find anyone to join or active listed parties

[sterile stone]

It's to gate bad players out

[fiery ingot]

should be optional imo. servers i play barely have any players active and takes more than 30 minutes to find someone in party finder

[grizzled aspen]

What server group do you even play on? OCE?

[fiery ingot]

asia north pacific

[copper hawk]

Yo mama

[grizzled aspen]

What if, and hear me out, yo mama?

[fiery ingot]

jo mama

[grizzled aspen]

Oh boy a group of fresh level 30s in my auric maelstrom, surely this can't go wrong! (it went horribly wrong)

[worldly patio]

thatll be me tomorrow

[rustic bobcat]

what blessings and perks on crusher again?

[frozen kernel]

The Ogryn event has been an enlightening experience

[grizzled aspen]

Cara uny skullcrusher slaughterer, or you can run thrust over skullcrusher.

[spare talon]

never take skullcrusher off the crusher

[grizzled aspen]

I am a thrust stan, what can I say? That h1 instantly squishing a bulwark's brain out his ass is peak.

I also may have queued with the worst vet possible, while still having a brain. Ds4, crit damage and rampage, but his recon was proper. The issue though, was that he didnt use heavies at all on his sword and he didnt aim for the face with either weapon. Had to corpse drag him through the mission.

Honestly my disdain for solo queueing has now turned into a fascination with these creatures that keep getting into my lobbies. I'm at a point where I just watch them fight bosses and somehow lose.

Watched a max wounds vet lose a fight from full hp and toughness to a 2k hp plogryn.

[frozen kernel]

I’ve enjoyed playing various low havs since not a lot of folks are on when I play not just because I get to farm hav completions for my drip, but I also get to think about the concrete wall they’ll hit when they have to drop their wound curios and sprint eff on their weapons

[tame sluice]

low havoc creatures are almost as fascinating as regular heresy creatures

[frozen kernel]

I try to let them struggle a bit before swooping in like Batman to just decimate an entire malice level encounter because they need to learn eventually

“Hey we shouldn’t defend in front of the elevator where all the snipers can see”

pings left

watch entire team die to snipers except one grub who listened

[rustic bobcat]

hey, images aren't allowed in zealot chat, can i ping you in general?
its my zealot so far

edit: make it vet chat, gen chat isn't allowing images either

[sterile stone]

Never gotten so many kills with twin kraks

[frozen kernel]

I feel so bad when I rook a veteran out of a krak on something big because melee Psyker with Mk6 FGS is hilarious

I’m running up to a crusher and the baby vet is like “I’m helping!” as I two shot it before the nade even detonates

[grizzled aspen]

Its hilarious to run crusher with combat shotgun and blow a bulwarks head off before he can do anything.

[frozen kernel]

I kinda love how “shield bastard” is a universally hated enemy type in games

[heady rapids]

nothing better than walking up to a bulwark and smacking it on the head with a pa

[frozen kernel]

Except most games let you do something like charge a heavy attack to open them up

Omg I had a triple smyker match with brute conscripts the other night. That shit was hilarious

[rustic bobcat]

see
brute conscripts initially i could work with
i did not realize the mod also applied to pogryns
im gonna dust off my lvl 30 bolter vet

[frozen kernel]

They’d start panic smiting the Ogryn waves and I’d be like “YEEEEEEEAH KEEP SOYKIN DONT STOP” as I slowly two pieced my way thru the brutes

Then a single poxwalker smacks them from behind and the crusher wave looks down at me like [berserkskeletons.gif]

[frozen kernel]

Allow me to introduce you to a lovely woman who just moved in last year named Mk12 Recon Lasgun

[sterile stone]

Oh nah it's never that insane

I usually get like 10-15 ogryns all bunched up in the event so a krak will usually get like 3-5 of em. That's all I want, that bonus nade is just the juice

[frozen kernel]

Thankfully I cannot outfrag the krak killing an entire group but for the occasional lone bulwark or two I always feel a little icky when I waste their nade

Thankfully Psyker doesn’t use them at all so I get to ping the boxes for others!

[sterile stone]

Oh nah

[frozen kernel]

It’s really my brain off-have fun pub class because depending on loadout, you just don’t consume any resources

TKnife zealot is similar but I need rounds for my 🅱️istol

[sterile stone]

I go full quartermaster vet, I carry nade regen, nade on kill, improv, survivalist, shout with overtoughness, -6 seconds on special kill

And to keep it spicy, extra nade damage, bonus damage on spotting, AND bonus nade damage because I've seen a weeeee to many plogryns in a match

[frozen kernel]

💍 ? we need more of you

Less grey chainsword vets with wound curios in auric mael hab dreyko

I think I’ll see that tree in my final moments

[sterile stone]

Oh nah

I switch between ps and claw

[fiery ingot]

claw is the goated im never switching from that weapon

[sterile stone]

It's fun to use to parry overheads

Until it's more than one overhead at once

[grizzled aspen]

Or the server decides you didn't parry it.

[misty ravine]

Or you wait and wait for the attack so you can parry it, then a teammate helpfully interrupts the target

[grizzled aspen]

Anything that prevents me from hurting enemies automatically becomes a hated mechanic.

@solemn cliff you got a psyker by the name of Raven?

[solemn cliff]

yeah

[grizzled aspen]

I'm in the havoc lobby with you. :)
I'm Cirilla.

[solemn cliff]

Cool! Crazy you noticed and knew me!

[grizzled aspen]

I have the who are you mod so I can see your steam handle on your character.

[solemn cliff]

Well, that and know I'm on here!

[frozen kernel]

Triple Testicle Tom inting our mission was so worth it

Lumi accepting a hav request from a vet named CBT

[ornate bone]

Just ran my first 3rd level at level 17 pretty happy w that I'm not the greatest at the game

[craggy python]

doesnt it show steam handles at the mission results screen?

oh my bad, lobby

[grizzled aspen]

Cleared h40 with the recon gunker build. Big thanks to @solemn cliff for bubble duties. 🫡

[solemn cliff]

❤️