zealot-class

[opal star]

let me have this

[slate haven]

Cole rq

[light badge]

I did a 17 and I don't have that whiteshield penance

[spare talon]

21+ is where it starts

[light badge]

odd

[copper hawk]

Bro what

[frozen crystal]

Using… staff with this?

[copper hawk]

[placid fiber]

Real havoc: God of war 1-3 on the hardest difficulty

[slate haven]

What level

Is a good level

To be good

[light badge]

omg cica hiiiiii

my favorite schizo queer

[copper hawk]

Lmfak

Lmfao

Hewwo

[slate haven]

Is mid 200s enough

To be good

[copper hawk]

[placid fiber]

It's better if you don't ask lol

[sterile stone]

Welcome to the 53rd son

[spare talon]

purgatus yes

[sterile stone]

Enjoy your stay in hell

[light badge]

level doesn't matter but given your previous takes I'm inclined to say no

https://tenor.com/view/auntie-ethel-ethel-auntie-ethel-bg3-ethel-bg3-auntie-ethel-baldurs-gate-3-gif-8231515561612937345

[hard nexus]

no it’s not

[slate haven]

+1 charisma on my hexblade

My beloved

[hard nexus]

level 200s are usually pretty

mid

[copper hawk]

Cool bug fact

[hard nexus]

levels don’t mean anything tbh

[light badge]

the only time I pay attention to level is when it has ASS attached to it

[hard nexus]

i’m level 600 on zealot yet i’m better than a vast majority of 1000+s

[slate haven]

Tmrw I’m gonna be moving like Joe Flacco in the 2012 playoffs

[hard nexus]

same with psyker, but to a larger extreme

[copper hawk]

400 - 600 is good i think

[light badge]

sub 200 and ASS = usually shit

[spark raven]

Whats a good sidearm for Relic blade?

[slate haven]

Bark said they’d retract them saying I’m ass if I keep up

[copper hawk]

A lot of ppl at 1k or higher boosted

[slate haven]

So I have to

[hard nexus]

as my psyker is level 300

[copper hawk]

Eg they used xp curios and farmed xp

[royal vortex]

my psyker is level -1

[copper hawk]

Some just have their personal autistic fixations on this game and are at 1k+

[light badge]

I met a psyker the other day, level 2700

[hard nexus]

relic blade is very generalist, so really anything works, it’s more preference

i personally ran with bolter, but most work

[light badge]

unlisted voiceline spam

[copper hawk]

Some of those players arent even very good

[light badge]

playing Twins

kek

[placid fiber]

tfw you outplay the +1000 level player on your +50 something character lol

[sterile stone]

Washed

Knew it

[royal vortex]

do people still play the karnak twins

[copper hawk]

Yah

[hard nexus]

i do it all the time

i out damaged a level 1k+ zealot that had ds4 flamer with a mk3 evis

[obsidian prairie]

Aight after a few games mk 2 pgs is kinda funky

[sterile stone]

I've tried on like 8 seperate days

[copper hawk]

Flamer

[obsidian prairie]

That uppercut though

[sterile stone]

On many different difficulties

[obsidian prairie]

Easy crusher oneshots

[sterile stone]

And haven't fond shit

[hard nexus]

i miss when twins were hard

that used to be peak difficulty

[slate haven]

wtf

[royal vortex]

i mean they just nerfed ogryn into the ground. game is ruined

[hard nexus]

now you can force phase change before they can even throw a mine or attack

ds4 is balanced…

[slate haven]

Fellas

Im concocting a playlist

[royal vortex]

the ds2 is cooler and still has the stab

[fleet zealot]

Into the dirt

[stable cypress]

we're finally free from the opression of rumbler gluggers

[royal vortex]

think about that

[slate haven]

To psyche myslef up

[royal vortex]

3 talents moved. it's over

[fleet zealot]

Not even kars kickback

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis is coolest though

[fleet zealot]

Can save ogryn

[light badge]

j*zz is blacklisted

[royal vortex]

i am allergic to chain weapons

[light badge]

for some reason

[placid fiber]

if by peak you mean "having to hard carry 3 worthless randos"... then yeah I agree

[slate haven]

I’m thinking when I’m gone, Layla, a lil free bird, some comfortably numb, shit like that

I have to prove myslef

Like an anime protagonist

[hard nexus]

it’s so fun but it’s genuinely one of the worst zealot melee’s

[light badge]

I tried playing chaxe on psyker

[placid fiber]

So it's the autopistol of the zealot's melee weapons?

[royal vortex]

none of the chain weapons feel right to me, the mk4 chaxe being closest to fun

[sterile stone]

[light badge]

(note: never under any circumstance play chaxe on psyker)

[fleet zealot]

I’ve convinced another

[sterile stone]

Ghost of Contra upon you

[royal vortex]

but i just disagree with the conceptual implementation to the point if they made them fun for me they'd be completely different weapons

[fleet zealot]

Oh heavens no

[hard nexus]

honestly yeah

[light badge]

it was so painful

[placid fiber]

Oof

[fleet zealot]

Poor crit/finesse ratios, no attack speed besides 10%

[royal vortex]

the darktide release weapons have such awful activation mechanics

[light badge]

my team rushed ahead, and left me to deal with the poxxer horde

it honest to god

took me two minutes

[hard nexus]

what would you want them to become?

[royal vortex]

im so glad the relic blade doesn't have the standard psword activation

[light badge]

didn't get hit, the chaxe was just that ass

[hard nexus]

a rework to the special?

or a rework to everything

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-talking-gif-16041412329124270241

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[rocky nacelle]

good to see you’re still an annoying dumbass

[hard nexus]

para has discovered nade again

its so over

[light badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257440298292744374/1312265868054626404/daamn-bird-daamn-bird-sentry.gif

[placid fiber]

Welp, guess it's time to take cover and pray for a swift release

[atomic fjord]

The dialogue in this game is funny af someyimes

[light badge]

swift release 🤤

[royal vortex]

crab's idea is 'special button is just an attack button but the attack property does the special thing' which is way closer to what i want

[placid fiber]

😏

[royal vortex]

but in general like the way u saw with them is just super annoying

and the way the damage payoff is setup is the opposite of what i think a saw would be doing

[hard nexus]

like, pressing special does a unique attack that actually saws?

[royal vortex]

it would just be whatever is the next move in your combo

but it also saws

[hard nexus]

as opposed to prepping an attack

ohhh

[light badge]

love this interaction so much

[royal vortex]

and if you held it it'd heavy, tap it for light

[hard nexus]

that would be cool actually

[royal vortex]

so you can chain to different moves to saw

[burnt belfry]

Are guns the only weapon that causes suppression to enemies?

[royal vortex]

and they can have different properties

[hard nexus]

the damage should be distributed evenly throughout the ticks imo

[copper hawk]

Generally yes

[hard nexus]

make light saw attacks useful

[copper hawk]

Some ults

All staves

[royal vortex]

i lean more towards the special being something you press after an attack and it just saws on the guy

like how boltgun does it

you hold the swing and it hurts him

[copper hawk]

But ranged wpns + like chorus cause suppression

[burnt belfry]

Oh well in that case, Relic blade has a minor suppression effect as Ive witnessed

[royal vortex]

why am i literally not involved as a player in the sawing process besides turning it on

[burnt belfry]

By myself, cleaving through a horde, some of the enemies were being suppressed as I got kills

[hard nexus]

absolutely i agree

[burnt belfry]

There was nobody firing anywhere near me so there wasnt any factors like that

[royal vortex]

yeah it's nonsensical. if saw type weapons had single target benchmarks that were at least partially based around 'time to saw through a dude' rather than 'hit a specific breakpoint' you'd have a really interesting paradigm shift

[hard nexus]

i wanted boltgun sawing since like

boltgun was a thing

[royal vortex]

because that's a completely different damage function than any other melee weapon

[burnt belfry]

I was literally alone when the suppression effect occured

[royal vortex]

and it makes it closer to a dps hose gun like recon or brauto at least conceptually

[placid fiber]

And how does that make you feel?

[elfin steppe]

Current chain weapon would be good if rev have suppression.

[obsidian prairie]

The chorus + chaxe super rip vs burgle

[slate haven]

Okay bro

Fuck you

[sage river]

I love Relic Sword's Mulch Mode

[rocky nacelle]

was I wrong ?

don’t think so

[hard nexus]

i think mk3 evis h1 (its a sweep) should have a unique property of being able to continue the swing after killing an elite

swing, kill an elite, and the swing rips through and finishes out the swing until it runs out of cleave or saw ticks

[royal vortex]

but they chose i think the worst way to handle chain weapons. because they've made the revs based around the idea that 'you have to commit for a full duration of an arbitrarily long animation to get the actual damage'

[fleet zealot]

I think all rev’d attacks should do that if you hold down or something

[hard nexus]

alternatively id settle for the saw rip instantly activating if it does enough damage to kill

[fleet zealot]

Like just keep sawing past enemies

[hard nexus]

boltgun style

yah

agreed

[elfin steppe]

That's why I want the suppression.

[obsidian prairie]

Suppression isn't stagger

[hard nexus]

suppression doesnt do anyhting to chaff

yah

[obsidian prairie]

suppression wouldn't do shit to literally anything you need to saw besides reapers

[placid fiber]

What about make you feel good about yourself?

[obsidian prairie]

Nope

[placid fiber]

Damn

[royal vortex]

that'd be cool, yeah. there's just a lot of potential to make chain weapons feel properly badass and it feels like theyve gotten the most shafted

especially because we haven't gotten a new family since release

so theyre all on the really old activation chassis

[obsidian prairie]

It would be funny if ranged enemies cowered from the shower of gore but it would still be useless

[hard nexus]

theyre relics of old development idealogy

the mk3 evis has barely ever gotten changed

[placid fiber]

I at least caught a wolp

[hard nexus]

aside from the damage cap being removed on h1

(worthless change)

[copper hawk]

It's a relic

Much like zealot is a relic

Ziiigh,,

[remote lark]

Silence cica

[slate haven]

Bro my study block teacher’s deaf

How tf

[remote lark]

Get back in your box

[slate haven]

Do I tell her

[royal vortex]

if you look at all the weapons we have rn

[slate haven]

To play nettspend

[royal vortex]

i think they were all planned since before release

[slate haven]

Now

[royal vortex]

i.e those datamined emblems

so in the future maybe one day we'll get a 2 handed chainaxe

with an activation system on par in coolness with the new swords

[fleet zealot]

2handed chaxe with 0.5 dodge distance

[remote lark]

Hi meooow

:3

[gray ice]

dodge just roots you in place

[hard nexus]

i want the mk3 evis to get a massive numerical buff and the damage caps removed, and then it could be on par with the relic blade

and id be happy

[sharp pagoda]

What is "hitmass" regarding enemies in the game??

[remote lark]

how fat they are

[sterile stone]

I wish for one of vet's blitz's to just be a grenade bundle

[royal vortex]

how much cleave value it takes to swing through them

[sterile stone]

Idc if it's just 1

[slate haven]

Did Columbus go band for band with the natives or did they kinda just sneak diss about

[sterile stone]

I wanna toss a bunch of kraks tied together

[royal vortex]

so if you have an 8 cleave weapon and you're hitting enemies with 2 hitmass you can hit 4

[hard nexus]

an attack has a dedicated cleave value, and an enemy has a dedicated hitmass value

hitmass subtracts from cleave until the cleave runs out

[zealous basin]

yeah smite is fine

but i dont actually see the sword in the game

its just smite...

[gray ice]

best i can do is 20% chance at 2

[royal vortex]

(important to note - any amount of cleave past an enemy's hitmass gets you another target in the swing. if you hit a dude with 10 hitmass and you have 10.1 cleave you can hit 2 dudes)

[zealous basin]

i hit ur mother

consensually

[fleet zealot]

How much of your cleave they take to go through

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-talking-gif-16041412329124270241

[sterile stone]

I feel like I'm getting robbed

[lunar fable]

i still need an immo build

[rocky nacelle]

notice how there is 0 response

for these "jokes"

[opaque island]

me when your mom has 10.2 hitmass 😔

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

some things dont change

[gray ice]

oh wow flip is back too

[placid fiber]

Isn't that how you feel whenever you talk to me? :3

[sharp pagoda]

So basically the hitmass changes to shotgunners means you can cleave through half as many as before the patch?

[obsidian prairie]

Yep

They were a bit easy to dice

[royal vortex]

shotgunners are no longer paper thin

theyre chunky

[sterile stone]

[fleet zealot]

Have you seen the late havoc mass levels for horde and bruisers

[hard nexus]

oh shotgunners got a hitmass increase???

that’s what it was

that’s why mk3 felt weird

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-gif-2734175389934997010

[royal vortex]

i have experienced them. moebian 21st on 30+ is FAT

[fleet zealot]

Lmao the savage sweep wrath players were right

[lunar fable]

holy

[fleet zealot]

Yep!!! Lol

[sterile stone]

Mans is like the great pumpkin from charlie brown

He appears whenever he's sober

[royal vortex]

very. rarely.

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-monkey-monkey-gif-14367310517402498169

[fleet zealot]

Honestly i think the meta now is high minimum damage weapons that don’t need BM and have at least one hefty cleave blessing

And the relic blade is perfect for that

[royal vortex]

im p sure moebian 21st on higher difs completely outpace bruisers in like every stat

[fleet zealot]

They actually made BM not meta

[fleet zealot]

I’d imagine since they are stimm addicts we are fighting methheads on bath salts in florida

[sterile stone]

Seen a vet use bleed frags at hav 40, still personally don't see the value in them

But I guess I'm missing something...

[fleet zealot]

Infinite cleave

Becomes very valuable

[hard nexus]

the fuck are you talking about dude

[elfin steppe]

Smoke nades actually become useful.

[hard nexus]

is this meant to be funny?

[sterile stone]

That's what I mostly use

[fleet zealot]

Immo nades become better than throwing knives

[sterile stone]

I've had cole in my lobbies

[elfin steppe]

The trapper had to shoot me in front of my face.

[fleet zealot]

Fatshark got tired of us bitching but didn’t want to get the nerf whiners bitching

[sterile stone]

And once we got to higher levels

[fleet zealot]

So they just giga buffed the enemies

Till the meta is changed

[royal vortex]

all the infinite aoe stuff is super insane

[sterile stone]

I'd only see zealots with stuns and then this goober with throwing knives

[royal vortex]

if ur willing to sacrifice the scoreboard numbers chorus + a psyker on a chokepoint makes things nasty

[fleet zealot]

I only sac chorus for gas maps

[elfin steppe]

If everybody is too busy staying alive, nobody will be concerned about damage.

[fleet zealot]

Otherwise nah

[spark raven]

Can anyone recommend me good Relic Blade build that has good surviveability?

[elfin steppe]

[sterile stone]

Damage numbers don't mean fuck all to me tbh

I just wanna get this slog of a mission over

So whatever cheese you got

Use it

[slate haven]

Nah I’m just scrolling reels n asking y’all about em

[obsidian prairie]

Pins

[slate haven]

Idk why

[royal vortex]

i've had some luck with stealth for saving missions but chorus is a multitool for fixing someone's stupid mistake

[fleet zealot]

Immolation nades to benediction to fury of the faithful to stalwart blazing piety, cranial rampage

[frosty herald]

Havoc doesnt care about numbers

[fleet zealot]

Perks uhh flak elites or maniac elites

[frosty herald]

Its pure survival

[hard nexus]

my precious ego….

[royal vortex]

i have saved many a psyker ( @coarse birch @south folio ) from their bad positioning during a horde spawn

[hard nexus]

i need to havoc more

[royal vortex]

watching them stand in a hallway with elites on both sides

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonfishking-dragonfish-dragonfishy-gif-4824146656050502108

[south folio]

you have also saved yourself @royal vortex from your bad positioning during a horde spawn

[royal vortex]

or arcotash getting fucking delta P'd into a corner while we're backing up during an elite wave

[frosty herald]

No joke getting past your ego to top score or seeing the killfeed be filled up is your biggest hurdle

[royal vortex]

like a goddamn crab

[slate haven]

This is me

Currently

[south folio]

you will not use that phrase on me

[royal vortex]

that doesn't sell the point nearly as well

all 3 ults can do that

[sterile stone]

I hate how common this is in havoc

[royal vortex]

i will

[proud scroll]

Made it to havoc 31 today, it’s rough with Randos

[fleet zealot]

But what if i ego as well

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonfishking-dragonfish-dragonfishy-gif-4824146656050502108

[coarse birch]

Your gonna make everyone think im ass 😭

[royal vortex]

arcocrab

[light badge]

My cat just slow blinked at me

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-ego-vegeta-gif-24876812

[light badge]

I love this little guy so much

[elfin steppe]

Send the pic

[south folio]

translate his blinks into morse code

[royal vortex]

mankar threw our 30 today so ur good

[sterile stone]

What's your team comp for havoc?

[hard nexus]

he’s speaking to the gangstalkers

[light badge]

Live Leo documentation

[royal vortex]

we wouldve won if he didnt move my respawn point further (i died getting arco up, it was a good trade cuz he was the last one alive)

[coarse birch]

People or classes

[proud scroll]

1 bubble shield 1 chorus is very strong

[sterile stone]

I mean with people I've seen enough clips of you guys to know it's just LOUD NOISE

So classes

[royal vortex]

we have good comms when we need them

[south folio]

you have never been more right in your life than now

[royal vortex]

trust 🙂

[hard nexus]

it really bothers me how he’s not paying attention to his overkill stat

[coarse birch]

Im usually psyker some zealot arcos the same mankars the same josho usually zealot

[royal vortex]

that fucking clutch clip where im on psyker getting heckled by 8 people is insane

[placid fiber]

In Josho we trust(wait, do we?)

[royal vortex]

we got to 30 with 3 psykers 1 zealot

[elfin steppe]

He looked like he just woke up.

[sterile stone]

Ah

[hard nexus]

dropping an ammo crate to refill assail was even more insane

[royal vortex]

but really so long as ur support stacking its as smooth sailing as it can be

[sterile stone]

Was running 2 zealots 1 psyker 1 vet to 30

[royal vortex]

1 vet with shout/stealth + field improv/nade regen smokes is huge

i think we were gonna switch to 2 psykers/1 zealot/1 vet for 2 bubble + shout + chorus

[jagged cradle]

That’s a good joke

[sterile stone]

I'm still working on better smoke placements.

[proud scroll]

I got to 31 with 2 ogryn 1 Zeolot 1 Psyker

[jagged cradle]

Surely that didn’t happen

[south folio]

we avoided purg/flamer/trauma but did bring the new force greatsword w/ infinite cleave

[hard nexus]

it’s not a joke, he actually did it

[placid fiber]

on the one newer map where you get to see the extraction ship come down?(not the train)

[south folio]

🙂

[royal vortex]

yeah i think everyone in our 4 stacks are normally just allergic to ogryn

[coarse birch]

I wouldnt play him in havoc

[jagged cradle]

😕

[royal vortex]

cracked out of my mind on warp juice seeing like 100 steps into the future

[coarse birch]

Im bad at ogryn

[sterile stone]

I saw a 3 stack of ogryns hosting a 31 havoc earlier

[hard nexus]

(autistic)

[royal vortex]

RUDE

lmfao

[hard nexus]

autism!

[sterile stone]

So I know there's some good ones out there

[proud scroll]

1 ogryn kills stuff, 1 kills stuff plus monsters and the psyker and Zeolot support with bubble and chorus while also killing stuff

[royal vortex]

im the only one in my group with an ogryn past like level ~40

so if anyone was doing it it'd be me

[south folio]

you are also the only ogryn main among us

[royal vortex]

and i've fucked up enough duo runs because ogryn is fkin wheelchair mobility

[hard nexus]

i need another 4stack to play with, my normal ones are NEVER ON!!!!!’

[royal vortex]

that i cannot bring myself to play it in havoc

[coarse birch]

😔

[sharp pagoda]

Dev Note: The numbers are different to reflect the intended divergence between the two factions, where over time we intend to make the Dregs more melee heavy, while the Scabs should act like the elite guard they are. ** The reduction number is the amount of damage lowered past the range specified.

When you read the part in bold, what do you take from that? I think there's going to be less shooters on the field at some point.

[royal vortex]

does heavy stubber have inspiring barrage

[coarse birch]

I think so

[royal vortex]

probably can't magdump fast enough

ripper insp barrage spoils me because it takes like half a second to get a full toughness bar using it

[south folio]

probably simple stuff like more dreg melee enemies and/or better stats for dreg melee enemies

[proud scroll]

Our ogryn is lvl like 3k which helps

[hard nexus]

please no buffs to dreg ragers

[proud scroll]

What builds has the wise @royal vortex been running

[hard nexus]

why does maniac have such a terrible ADM on so many weapons

why

whywhywhy

mk3 evis does like

[royal vortex]

on ogryn or other classes

[hard nexus]

half damage to maniac

it’s so fucking

euuugghhh

[stable cypress]

gotta keep ogryn clubs in check or they'd run rampant

lmao

[sterile stone]

I remember y use to be a greasy ogryn player

[royal vortex]

having a personality disorder has many benefits

[south folio]

🙂

[sterile stone]

Back when that fire ripper shit would delete bosses instantly.

[royal vortex]

dude you could do that shit with no monitor

[hard nexus]

:(

[coarse birch]

U did

[hard nexus]

:(

frown

[proud scroll]

Zeolot!

[sterile stone]

It was fun while it lasted

Imagine they never nerfed it

[remote lark]

@hard nexus

Mrow

[hard nexus]

how viable is a thunder hammer zealot on havoc 40

[hard nexus]

hi

[sterile stone]

Imagine a fucking pre nerf fire ripper ogryn in havoc

[coarse birch]

Probably needs flamer

And gunner help from friends

[royal vortex]

ive been running this from 25-30 (i didn't play ranks below that, hopped on someone else's order) for havoc with a brauto + relic sword

[proud scroll]

Not at havoc 40 yet but it doesn’t seem wise, doable for sure tho

[hard nexus]

due to health increases crit hammer actually has some potential

because you can stack scourge

[royal vortex]

once it gets really high up there i drop twbs and anoint and swap to immo nades (but keep second wind)

[hard nexus]

though if you’re taking chorus you can’t force a crit to start it

[royal vortex]

also this is gonna sound dumb

but ceaseless barrage/inspiring barrage on brauto is really powerful if u hate shooters

because ceaseless is like a stack per bullet

[coarse birch]

Its what i use

As well

[royal vortex]

so at shots 5+ you have doubled suppression

[proud scroll]

Why not swap left at the bottom for cdr?

[royal vortex]

and just shut off shooters

it extends the shooter sprint-dodge state into 0% stam territory

[sterile stone]

Wait so when you deal with shooters via smoke

[royal vortex]

which is huge

(if you remember to do it)

[sterile stone]

Do you toss smoke at your feet or at the shooters

[south folio]

i personally just run inexorable because i don't feel like abusing CDR too much

[royal vortex]

at the shooters generally

[hard nexus]

between you and shooters i believe

[obsidian prairie]

At feet

[royal vortex]

the more proactive you are with smokes the better

[coarse birch]

Just Between you and shooters but at them yeah

[royal vortex]

because you don't want gunners setting up and firing through the smoke because they have 8 minute long volley times

[sterile stone]

Alright cause I've been tossing them at my feet generally

[coarse birch]

Yeah they supress

[remote lark]

Is mk13 chainsword usable from 21-30?

[coarse birch]

So throw it at them

[sterile stone]

I noticed that

[hard nexus]

hitmass increases, so probably not

[coarse birch]

Or theyll just fire through till volley ends

[royal vortex]

probably? although i'd go for the 4 since you get the sweep heavies

and you need wrath for it at minimum

[proud scroll]

Cdr with the relic sword has been ace, the extra dmg from the crits is a big dmg boost for sure

[remote lark]

Wrath is pretty strong

[hard nexus]

mk13 is better than the mk4 actually

[sullen forge]

very few things are usable beyond 30+

[remote lark]

I use wrath and shred on it

I think it would be usable.. I st not sure about hitmas

[hard nexus]

same

[hard nexus]

wrath would help but i think it’d certainly struggle at least

[royal vortex]

the sweep combo on it forces you to use lights [for part of it] which is gonna hit like 2 dudes in a horde a lot of the time

[proud scroll]

Wrath on the 13 doesn’t do much

[hard nexus]

though health increases would help stack scourge

[sterile stone]

I've seen alot of people use heavy las pistol in higher havs

[tropic pelican]

booted for server error

[proud scroll]

Try shred rampage

[sterile stone]

I tried to use it

[tropic pelican]

before i can click reconnect, mission aborted

[plush estuary]

Havoc 40 was fun

[sullen forge]

good tick damage

easy ammo to maintain

etc

[sterile stone]

No infernus

[tropic pelican]

most of my other runs the game just crashes

[sterile stone]

Dumdum and ghost

[hard nexus]

in my experience mk13g is simpler to use with better payoff than the mk4

[sterile stone]

Oh cool

[hard nexus]

just light spam for hordes

[sterile stone]

How much are you gonna charge for carries

[hard nexus]

heavies for single target

[proud scroll]

The light is dmg capped at 4 dudes

[remote lark]

Sigh....

First of all, no

[hard nexus]

that’s evis, not chain sword

[royal vortex]

horde light spam on havoc just isn't gonna get u v far with hitmass increases + moebian 21st being a possible modifier

[remote lark]

Second of all, I'm talking about havoc

[royal vortex]

it'll run into the knife problem of hitting like 1 dude a swing

[south folio]

chainsword lights aren't

[hard nexus]

ok so my worries with hitmass were correct

[proud scroll]

Oops, my bad, it’s late, misread the weapon

[hard nexus]

all good

[remote lark]

I'll take the mk13 as far as I can

[royal vortex]

@south folio how many modifiers (not including the map mod every 5 ranks) do you get on 31+ havoc

3?

[remote lark]

I think I can probably get through 25 with it

[south folio]

i have no idea

[plush estuary]

3-4

[coarse birch]

3

[royal vortex]

you fucking know more about the system than i do wtf

[hard nexus]

let me know how it goes

[royal vortex]

thank you

[sterile stone]

Psyker's sword has infinite cleave on the slash does it not?

[south folio]

i am stupid

[royal vortex]

yes

[proud scroll]

My bad, been using the heavy evis in havoc with shred rampage and its doing work clearing the board

[coarse birch]

Yeah with harsh drop off

Distance wise

[royal vortex]

'harsh' drop off when it still kills gunners at like 10 meters

[hard nexus]

what havoc level?

[royal vortex]

(at least on standard auric)

[coarse birch]

Yeah its overtuned fs

[proud scroll]

25-31

[hard nexus]

fair

mk15?

or mk3

[sterile stone]

I need to find a decent vet player who runs smokes on hav 40

[proud scroll]

Had to stop to go to bed

[royal vortex]

tbf if u dont get moebian 21st standard hitmass issues are much less annoying

[proud scroll]

Mk13

[south folio]

#psyker-class message 🙂

[remote lark]

So my working theory for my playstyle is that havoc meta will be defined by horde management with high cleave weapons.

But, I'm wondering... if I take a weapon like chainsword.. it has good cleave, I can maybe take wrath and be fine.. I can stagger the horde and still deal decent damage and thanks to its mobility not suffer against gunners and shooters as much

Like

What if I take a light mobility weapon and use two cleave blessings

[plucky gate]

hello
yes it is very cool
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=67528933&is=675137b3&hm=bca683162c5ec40f359f65f6f88bffac2c1a1fdfb69a01b6a3e76a2063d6f850&

[hard nexus]

that’s the chainsword mark

do you mean the mk15?

[remote lark]

I wouldn't kill as fast bur I'd have the stats to dance around shooters way easier

Compared to like the relic seord

[royal vortex]

i know skele was running hsword/dueling sword at havoc 35+ and managing

[coarse birch]

Hate

[frosty herald]

Havoc meta is how well can you handle shooters

[proud scroll]

Yes! Am being dumb

[sterile stone]

If it ain't havoc

[remote lark]

I'd rather die than be a ds grub

[sterile stone]

I don't wanna see it

[royal vortex]

i don't think everyone has to run high cleave weapons so much as you need people who can frontline in hordes

[hard nexus]

lmfao all good

yah the mk15 is pretty strong

[royal vortex]

because it takes a lot more cleave to effectively control enemies

[sterile stone]

Aka a zealot

[remote lark]

I love horde management

[hard nexus]

i might brute force it with the mk3 evis and see how far i can make it

[remote lark]

I'm rlly good at it

[spare talon]

pus hardened on gloriana mid event FUCKING SUCKS

[proud scroll]

Running Marty with 2 points for cdr on the left

[hard nexus]

before the mk3 becomes pathetically bad

[royal vortex]

any class can, ogryn/zealot are just the most oriented towards it

[rocky nacelle]

"im good at horde management" >mains zealot

[sterile stone]

You're still going at it?

[royal vortex]

a sunder psword vet probably has the highest cleave in most normal scenarios

[rocky nacelle]

"wow im good at swimming" >is an olympic swimmer

lmao

[royal vortex]

and thats vet exclusive

[remote lark]

fair enough

lmfao

[sterile stone]

IF you need a extra

I'll get out of bed and join squad

[hard nexus]

i can too

[rocky nacelle]

keep your bum ass in bed

[hard nexus]

for like

[royal vortex]

gloriana mid event can be lost by a dude pulling the switch and not telling people

[hard nexus]

one or two games

[royal vortex]

it's so fucked up

gloriana mid event is actual hell

[rocky nacelle]

i need to do my gloriana havoc 23

[coarse birch]

Who would do that

[royal vortex]

WERE YOU THE ONE

[coarse birch]

Tbf we didnt die

[remote lark]

Which events that again?

I forgot

[coarse birch]

No actually

[sterile stone]

Shut your dusty ass up you half cracked conch shell

[royal vortex]

[hard nexus]

syncronisters

[royal vortex]

better not be

[remote lark]

Oh.

[coarse birch]

I WASNT

[remote lark]

I hate that one.

[rocky nacelle]

this half cracked conch is the best pskyer you've seen

ill have you know

[royal vortex]

i was very rude to mankar today but he did things that warranted it

[quick fog]

what is dump stat on dueling sword

[south folio]

so it was mankar who pulled it

[hard nexus]

it’s fun on auric hishock but it’s awful on

[spare talon]

deranked down to 31

[south folio]

he is the root of all evil

[hard nexus]

havoc

[coarse birch]

Ive done havoc gloriana so many times you know i know

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/chapelle-charlie-murphy-laugh-gif-5588639

[royal vortex]

me and da goons first tried a gloriana 37 and it was my first time playing it in havoc

but man that mid event

[spare talon]

@sterile stone @hard nexus theres 1 slot, first come first serve

[rocky nacelle]

I need to push into havoc 30s

[hard nexus]

me

[royal vortex]

the entire first section into mid event is a fkin clencher

[sterile stone]

Hav 30s are a bitch

Ngl

[royal vortex]

30 and 35 are the worst ones to play

the enviromental mods make me yearn for the rope

[coarse birch]

Tox gas

[royal vortex]

god help you if you roll tox gas

might as well derank and reroll

[spare talon]

ok maybe not then

host is leaving

[hard nexus]

ohg

sad

[hearty nebula]

what the fuck

[royal vortex]

just wait until next week so u can play ur own order

[hearty nebula]

there's a viewmodel for nothing equipped?

[royal vortex]

(this is a Very good system.)

[coarse birch]

Truly

[royal vortex]

if ur a sweatmaxing penancechad its actually meta to only play on someone else's order

[hard nexus]

:(

[royal vortex]

because u get progress for helping other people and they dont

[vast basin]

ofc, brainburst

[hard nexus]

that’s so dumb

lmfao

[rocky nacelle]

how much longer you gonna be on

[honest burrow]

Not used to Zealts having guides or pins since I'm always told to just ask lmao, will do and ty.

[sharp pagoda]

What is the relic blade dumpstat?

[hard nexus]

mobility

[rocky nacelle]

surely party finder randoms are fine for a havoc 23 and +

[hard nexus]

or defenses

whichever it is

[royal vortex]

it is mobility

[coarse birch]

Mobility

[spare talon]

highest theyre at is 30

[hard nexus]

i couldn’t remember if it was one or the other

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle where's my invite

i just got done with raids

[hard nexus]

you me cole and if argus gets on

[royal vortex]

the 2handed force sword has defences

[hard nexus]

ez

[lunar fable]

for my other game

[sterile stone]

I will say this even tho it's common knowledge

PLEASE

[hard nexus]

right

[spare talon]

but none of us have a mission that high

[sterile stone]

Prioritize tox bombers in high havoc runs

[hard nexus]

declined kms

[royal vortex]

i want to make it known how displeased i am that the most common abbreviation for the new psyker sword is 'fgs'

[sterile stone]

Ignoring tox bombers has fucked me over so bad in high havocs

[royal vortex]

i have done many doubletakes this past few days

[rocky nacelle]

SIGH

I GUESS I CAN GET ON HAVOC

INSTEAD OF PLAY COD ZOMBIES

[hard nexus]

i want it to be BFG (blaze force greatsword)

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/shinji-evangelion-devil-may-cry-hair-hand-gif-4271964701858845682

[coarse birch]

You mean FGS

[royal vortex]

anything but what it is now

[rocky nacelle]

alright then

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/pierogi-gif-13119272

Take one of these and take a lap

[rocky nacelle]

gimme a second

[royal vortex]

wow

[remote lark]

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dorohedoro-kaiman-anime-chopsticks-eat-gif-17134083

im the gyoza demon

[sterile stone]

It's not Gyoza

But it's close

[rocky nacelle]

what is it

[sterile stone]

Josh knows what they are

[royal vortex]

pierogi

[rocky nacelle]

ah right gyoza 2.0

[rocky nacelle]

havoc 23 gloriana

[sterile stone]

Reminds me tho

[remote lark]

@hard nexus

[rocky nacelle]

we'll be aight

[sterile stone]

I get paid tomorrow

[rocky nacelle]

trust

[hard nexus]

what

[remote lark]

How high have u gotten in havoc

[hard nexus]

not far because i haven’t had a group for it

[sterile stone]

Gonna cop a chicken katsu bento box

[spare talon]

i dont wanna do a 23 tho

[hard nexus]

only 22 i think

[royal vortex]

also think about this if u havent

[rocky nacelle]

WELL HOW ELSE ARE WE GONNA GET TO 30 COLE

[royal vortex]

the captains in havoc dont have boss music

[rocky nacelle]

shut your play testing noob ass up and we're doing 23

[royal vortex]

and oftentimes they spawn slightly ahead or behind a boss

[spare talon]

by waiting a few days

[royal vortex]

and u can often just be fighting a single dude with no music playing

and it's just 4 homeless dudes beating up a 5th homeless dude in an alleyway

[sterile stone]

I mean they've nearly got consistent spawn locations

[hard nexus]

this truly is the grim dark time

[rocky nacelle]

ill be soyker again

[sharp pagoda]

So is the relic blade a horde clear weapon or can it flex some single target dps??

[hard nexus]

i can run chorus

or psyker

[rocky nacelle]

ill be the willing psyker player

[gray ice]

the relic blade is a fuck you button

[coarse birch]

Both

[hard nexus]

idrc

[gray ice]

to everything

[remote lark]

Yes

[rocky nacelle]

i was psyker last time I was in a 4 stack with cole

im aight with being psyker

[hard nexus]

alright

[coarse birch]

Psyker does well

[royal vortex]

it's v generalist

[rocky nacelle]

I use bubble/voidstrike/FGS/DD

its gross

i miss scriers

[remote lark]

Sigh...

Noobo..

[hard nexus]

what melee u think i should run with chorus, something for crit cdr, right?

[royal vortex]

it's not 'bad' into anything and when activated it has gnarly hordeclear

[rocky nacelle]

id say depends on what we need but yeah for IoD spam

on chorus

[hard nexus]

i can run any melee

except knife

i’m oddly bad with knife

lmfao

[rocky nacelle]

it wouldnt be bad to run something like a 13G (horde clear/crit for IoD spam)

[coarse birch]

DS is sadly most optimal probs

[rocky nacelle]

cole is already running DS

[remote lark]

ME TOO

[sharp pagoda]

how is Relic blade in comparison to evis or chaxe for the single target damage??

[hard nexus]

kk i got it

[royal vortex]

my zealot havoc build is designed to be an idiot psyker babysitter but i should try some gremlin shit like riposte/smackdown knife just to spam chorus

[storm elm]

Hi oddly bad with knife

I'm Vtel

[spare talon]

ive been psyker these last few runs

[remote lark]

Better

[hard nexus]

better than mk3 evis, worse than chain axe

[rocky nacelle]

from party finder?

what are ya running

[sterile stone]

@gray ice What nonsense you getting up to at this house?

[remote lark]

Meow noob

[spare talon]

purg and fgs

[coarse birch]

[elfin steppe]

I don't know why but I feel bad for Wolfer

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-silent-hill-silent-hill-2-silent-hill-2-remake-sh2r-gif-9207545340181793367

[royal vortex]

lmfao why are you doing this

[rocky nacelle]

me knowing ill have to go WC for bubble spam in havoc 31+

[coarse birch]

I called me an idiot psyker

Unbelievable

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-silent-hill2-james-sunderland-sad-depressed-gif-27628054

[coarse birch]

920 levels

WASTED

[sterile stone]

I don't

Bro was gonna leave us to get eaten alive

[royal vortex]

i mean it affectionately

its mostly about arco

[sterile stone]

Get fucked nerd

[royal vortex]

more than anything

[gray ice]

this house?

[coarse birch]

Oh ok

[gray ice]

im in an apartment bruv

anyway about to do a mael to unlock havoc

[sterile stone]

I meant to type hour

I didn't care to correct

[gray ice]

ik

[sterile stone]

It is what it is

[hard nexus]

this build cant take TWBS

lets see how it goes

[coarse birch]

Arco is slightly more unapologeticly aggro

[elfin steppe]

Evi deals higher single target damage, has crit synergy, but is weak against multiple ragers.

[red mesa]

man, its dodges suck and it has its downsides, but the MKII relic sword is pretty awesome im really enjoying its moveset as i figure it out more, it flows

[royal vortex]

@south folio is my little delta-p prone crab

[sharp pagoda]

What is the tldr on relic blade mark variants?

[gray ice]

Mk2 has uppercut therefore bestest

[remote lark]

After the changes I've been actually really liking not taking twbs on faster weapons

[coarse birch]

Correct

[sterile stone]

Aight I'll join in a second

[coarse birch]

Mkx easier more stabs mk2 more moves more Generalist

[hard nexus]

yah i havent been minding not having it on psyker so i think ill be fine

[spare talon]

i found a full reddit thread of people whining about gunners

[rocky nacelle]

whinge whinge whinge

stow it

[hard nexus]

should i take flamer

or bolter

or what

[south folio]

mk2: initial access to sweep heavies, has looping single-target heavies (hordeclear loop is marginally worse because it's a light and heavy)
mk10: initial access to single-target heavies, has looping sweeping heavies (single-target loop is marginally worse because it's H1 -> H2 -> L3 stab)

[elfin steppe]

Relic blade is probably the most efficient horde clear melee weapon for zealot,it can also shred range elites.

[coarse birch]

Ok just show me up

[south folio]

ok stupid psyker

[hard nexus]

mk13g chainsword has better horde clear

[coarse birch]

Die

[rocky nacelle]

Veteran Sniperlover

btw

[plucky gate]

after the gunner stsgger changes, i've unironically done this

[obsidian prairie]

I literally haven’t noticed the gunner changes even in auric (haven’t touched havoc yet, too busy feeling out the PGS)

[plucky gate]

pre patch i would've thought this was cursed

[elfin steppe]

[coarse birch]

You wont till havoc

[opaque island]

have you noticed they now move while shooting

[ornate bone]

Is the dueling sword getting nerfed soon?

[obsidian prairie]

Noticed that

Kinda cool

About it

[grizzled aspen]

Gunners are a lot more scary, now. You'll see a pack of them instantly level their guns instead of moving for cover and start shooting.

[remote lark]

doesn't reddit also hate gunner resist

[rocky nacelle]

me when the scab stalker shot the most accurate 5 laser shots in his life and now im at 100 toughness to 0

in a split second

havoc is peak

[remote lark]

I'd just dodge

[obsidian prairie]

I know full well

[remote lark]

[opaque island]

at first i was like oh wahtever, but i had a few moments where I couldnt get something between me and what was shooting me cause they were shmooving

[obsidian prairie]

3 gunner resist always

[rocky nacelle]

like that crusher you dodged right?

[ornate bone]

Havoc doesn't feel any harder than just.. Normal Maelstrom :/

[rocky nacelle]

and those dogs and trappers?

[spare talon]

this is in my havoc build

[opaque island]

and they can schmoove when they wanna

[grizzled aspen]

No you wouldn't. You can't even dodge || deez nuts. ||

[remote lark]

Explode

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

noob ass

[coarse birch]

I think you mean 32 shots

[obsidian prairie]

I have considered running that

[rocky nacelle]

im just dead at that point

LOL

[plucky gate]

lmao same

[royal vortex]

the problem i run into is toughness-break stun

with no twbs

it make sme mald

[obsidian prairie]

Inner support main begging to emerge

[hard nexus]

are u running chorus in this or me

or both of us

[rocky nacelle]

im loading in btw

[remote lark]

Troo

[coarse birch]

Toughness stun break do be ass

[rocky nacelle]

double chorus is fine @hard nexus

[plucky gate]

havoc is making people desperately scrape for support and survivability tools

[rocky nacelle]

chaining chorus is unironically goated

(it always was but even more so now)

[plucky gate]

running things we all thought was cringe before

[hard nexus]

troo

[hard nexus]

now it actually has a purpose

[obsidian prairie]

It’s doing its job

[rocky nacelle]

now you can VAULT without cancelling it !!!!

[grizzled aspen]

Is meta for havok 2 zealouts chaining crit cdr abuse chorus?

[rocky nacelle]

HUGE

!!!!

[obsidian prairie]

Throwing the meta in a box and shaking violently

[hard nexus]

HOLY SHIT!!!

CHORUS IS FIXED

[royal vortex]

the problem was always that people who were running chorus oftentimes were using it for scenarios where it doesn't matter (i.e a wave of 4 shotgunners)

[hard nexus]

!!!

[hard nexus]

then spam pinging

[royal vortex]

so a lot of the ppl running that stuff would drop it at the first sign of enemies and it was just like... cmon

[hard nexus]

then typing in chat that we are stupid

[royal vortex]

u can fight this

[spare talon]

i said for weeks that people are actually going to like chorus in havoc

[royal vortex]

smite psykers be like "psyker is the slowest class"

[obsidian prairie]

You should still be able to tknives while chorusing

[spare talon]

and people told me i was stupid
just use FOTF and dive like usual

[obsidian prairie]

They even have an animation for it

You just put it away after

[spare talon]

and those people are the ones dead on the ground

[rocky nacelle]

if you want, just make sure people appropiately counter build/pick for the modifiers (im playing psyker in havoc)

[royal vortex]

chorus also shouldn't be cancelled on sprint, it should just be a slower sprint

[hard nexus]

my sibling in sanguinius, you have SG and DD

[grizzled aspen]

Chorus will never be good to me until tknives can be thrown while using it.

[remote lark]

It's really just people can't take greedy scoreboard chasing dpsmaxxer builds without either dying or hurting their team now

[royal vortex]

but hey, at least it doesn't cancel on vault

cough

[coarse birch]

Mettle alone lmao

[rocky nacelle]

runs ahead and dies 7 times

[hard nexus]

oh and mettle

yeah

forgot about mettle

[rocky nacelle]

you'd know from experience huh

[coarse birch]

Wrong reply

[opaque island]

"No!" in that female judge voice, you know the voiceline

[hard nexus]

sibling in sangiunius

[coarse birch]

Thanks discord

[plucky gate]

I always knew chorus was theoretically amazing in coordinated play in difficult content
We just didn't have content difficult enough for coordinated play until now

[spare talon]

you can throw one but it will cancel it

[hard nexus]

im proud of that one

[remote lark]

I didn't die

I had 1 death

[spare talon]

but it is instant, and thrown from the other hand

[rocky nacelle]

7 disables is 7 deaths with randoms

i hope you know this

[remote lark]

But I didn't die

[obsidian prairie]

Why do knives cancel chorus

[remote lark]

So therefore stfu

[grizzled aspen]

If they have the animation why does it fucking cancel???

[remote lark]

Noobadise

[obsidian prairie]

They don’t even put it away to throw

[rocky nacelle]

coping

[obsidian prairie]

Only after the throw

[rocky nacelle]

cant dodge as zealot

[remote lark]

Yea

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

[remote lark]

I DID

U stop being mean to me

[rocky nacelle]

yeah right into an overhead

🥱

🥞

[remote lark]

THAT GOT DRAGGED ONTO ME BY YOUUUU

MURDERER

[hard nexus]

para load faster

[cerulean moth]

Forbidden

[rocky nacelle]

(it was vic)

[spare talon]

(it is very good and effective)

[remote lark]

Cap

[opaque island]

🍿

[royal vortex]

i had this fkin amazing psyker game early where i just kept eating shit from being too tired to brain function and still top damaged

[cerulean moth]

forbidden build

[royal vortex]

it was a real rollercoaster

[obsidian prairie]

It would probably be pretty strong to have like 10 seconds where you can open all knife targets around you and nail them though

[grizzled aspen]

@hard nexus @rocky nacelle are yall about to run havoks?

[hard nexus]

us and cole

yah

[rocky nacelle]

i think its me meow cole and argus

[hard nexus]

argus disappeared

so

[rocky nacelle]

@sterile stone you alive dumbass

smh

[cerulean moth]

mewo got the lesbian game profile pic

[sterile stone]

Oh yeah

[coarse birch]

Its so sad seeing au choclat with no le fish

[plucky gate]

What havoc have you guys gotten to?

[sterile stone]

I abandoned y'all

[coarse birch]

😔

[hard nexus]

signalis is so good

[royal vortex]

😔

[rocky nacelle]

smh not shit

[royal vortex]

same with Ranch Man

[hard nexus]

so you arent joining?

[rocky nacelle]

just like yam

[cerulean moth]

its been co-oped by the lesbns

[grizzled aspen]

If Argus is dropping I can sub in for a 4th.

[south folio]

is that why your names are like that

[royal vortex]

no drippings boy

[sterile stone]

terdy

[coarse birch]

Yes

[hard nexus]

wha

[sterile stone]

Ye I'm helping Vinbert unlock havoc

[hard nexus]

ah

[grizzled aspen]

Wait, 30?

[coarse birch]

Josho and i have two matching names

[grizzled aspen]

I havent even done 1 havok lmao.

I'll go do grinding instead then and get my numbers up, ig.

[sterile stone]

[gray ice]

i was already doing this you just joined

[royal vortex]

i browbeat yoshi into it the first time

[sterile stone]

Shhh

Be quite big boy

I know

I'm a good friend

[coarse birch]

It was my idea the second time lol

[sterile stone]

I know

No need to thank me

[gray ice]

im gonna goomba stomp him

the first day i go to texas

[coarse birch]

I just couldn't think of a name

[royal vortex]

i thought it was mine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njFw1NOAu3s

this is what it is referencing

[visual stream]

Is the psyker greatsword's ranged attack infinite cleave?

[royal vortex]

for those not in the know

[visual stream]

Or is Warp Splitting gud

[rocky nacelle]

lol

[royal vortex]

it is

[coarse birch]

You found the video but i asked to change names last patch

[plucky gate]

fatshark please change it to update havoc levels instantly instead of weekly
I've done 27 but i can't let my friends try it yet because i wasn't host...

[visual stream]

Oh so kinda dead talent point mayb?

[royal vortex]

@coarse birch @south folio the 2handed force sword's first empowered stage needs to have more purpose to it

thoughts?

[coarse birch]

No

[royal vortex]

relatively

[coarse birch]

Like a Buff?

[south folio]

instantly kill the psyker for it

[royal vortex]

it feels like u either full empower at 20 or u spam unempowered

[coarse birch]

One is fine still

[royal vortex]

because the first emp tier isn't chunky enough and the basic mode already staggers ragers

[coarse birch]

I use it more than 2

[red mesa]

the mk2 push attack is so good for horde clear when charged, and its stamina is good you can spam it with a heavy after really nice, can safely melee like a whole squad of ragers doing it pretty nice

[hard nexus]

@grizzled aspen are u joining us or no

[frosty herald]

I like that unpowered is relatively weak

[coarse birch]

You get charge back on sword hit so level 1 spam can be p consistent

[south folio]

first empower does hit bps for hordes and if you have enough damage buffs, it'll significantly damage elites anyways to where they're practically easy to chip down

[frosty herald]

You have a ranged weapon for a reason and gives you incentive to fill up the charge

[grizzled aspen]

No, y'all are way too far ahead of me, I'd get absolutely stomped because I'm not adjusted to the difficulty.

[hard nexus]

boooorrriiiing

[plucky gate]

1 is half the damage of 2 charges
There isn't really a difference between using level 1 charge twice vs level 2 once
If anything, you might just waste damage by waiting to level 2

[south folio]

using it at first empower is also technically more efficient because it's 450 base damage at first empower and 850 base damage at second

[coarse birch]

Ive killed like 50 poxwalkers with tier 1

[south folio]

though tier 2 range falloff stats are marginally beter

[grizzled aspen]

Do you want to throw me directly into the grinder like that?

[coarse birch]

Just worse into elites mainly

[lunar fable]

i ran my shitter relic blade

[hard nexus]

itd be funny

[lunar fable]

up to like

[rocky nacelle]

arent you the one always talking about crucible by fire