#zealot-class

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placid fiber
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@hushed agate (also I love giving Stan crap due to him always going to "they can't do such and such" which by saying "can't" he is making a false statement)

ivory marlin
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Im pretty sure there was a monkey who use playboy magazines and had some fun ehile she did

hushed knoll
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YAAAAS

ivory marlin
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Man is a true American

hushed agate
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I always had a hard time understanding diet and zero sugar soda

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Id rather just drink water

rocky nacelle
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THANKS EMPEROR GREAT GIFT

ivory marlin
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My favorite soda is dr peoper

hushed knoll
hushed agate
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Like

hushed knoll
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Luke?

hushed agate
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For an amount of time drinking it would make me feel genuinely sick

ivory marlin
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Real

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Me with Canada dry ngl

placid fiber
hushed agate
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Dont take it lying down

placid fiber
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@hushed knoll Anyway I'm done pulling your leg for the night, have a good night Stan. o7

hushed knoll
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NOOOOO SERBIA DON’T GO

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DRAKE

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DARK

placid fiber
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I walk away for 1 second

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1 SECOND

hushed knoll
placid fiber
hushed agate
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Serbia is not even close to dark

placid fiber
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^

placid fiber
hushed knoll
rocky nacelle
placid fiber
hushed agate
rocky nacelle
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doing it with evisc instead of TH

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wish me luck

hushed agate
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Ill go grab my commissar build

hushed knoll
acoustic dune
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mmh burned pizza

visual stream
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Does anyone know if monstrosities that are spawned as "specialists" still count as specialists for the sake of different talents?

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I assume no but never looked

sharp zodiac
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Probably not

hushed knoll
acoustic dune
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(liquid)

hushed agate
acoustic dune
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the roof of my mouth hurt

rocky nacelle
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that looks like sweet potatoes more than fucking pizza

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i hate stan

hushed agate
acoustic dune
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i ate a burnt pizza

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i was black

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cheese black

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and i left it in the airfryer while i was sleepin

spare talon
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The pizza i just ordered from domino's looks better than that

rocky nacelle
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damn no edits or nothing just pep huh

spare talon
rocky nacelle
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ok thank god

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alfredo >>> red sauce

hushed agate
spare talon
rocky nacelle
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use an eviscerator first

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we might be cool then

hushed agate
rocky nacelle
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🤓

rocky nacelle
hushed agate
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The best pizza is regular cheese

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With a doughy base

modern lintel
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I used to work at a pizza place had something called pink sauce was just red mixed w ranch

rocky nacelle
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i had something called an "enchilada" pizza, it was just crust replace red sauce with ranch then put jalapenos and cheese/meat on it

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pretty good doe

modern lintel
hushed agate
spare talon
naive parrot
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how do I deal with 350,000 gunners

rocky nacelle
spare talon
naive parrot
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shit u rite

spare talon
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I'm always right

rocky nacelle
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except when he doesnt use eviscerator

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very wrong

rocky nacelle
spare talon
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Shit your pants instantly

naive parrot
rocky nacelle
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thy wrath be swift

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immunity to ranged/melee "stuns"

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makes u faster upon taking dmg iirc

spare talon
rocky nacelle
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I cant give the ut most detailed description cause I have my mods off

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but thats basically it

spare talon
rocky nacelle
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strongest loner hater

naive parrot
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Im sorry, it was reflex, some of my most negative memories in this game involve loner zealots

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so when someone mentions loner I have a reaction

rocky nacelle
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they take loner cause they suck i take loner cause it's in the build path

rocky nacelle
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we are not the same

modern lintel
spare talon
fleet zealot
spare talon
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But it's always used by really good or really bad players

modern lintel
rocky nacelle
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wym bro just go loner + 30% toughness regen curios, broken

spare talon
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The good players take it for point economy on specific builds and the bad players simply to know what they're doing

placid fiber
fleet zealot
spare talon
fleet zealot
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they already have halloween candy out at my store last week

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sad

modern lintel
placid fiber
grizzled aspen
placid fiber
rocky nacelle
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fellow zealot with overpressure and quickflame

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how do we tell him

grizzled aspen
placid fiber
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Since they can't be killed/damaged >.>

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They are basically scp-173 >.>

grizzled aspen
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They can be jettisoned into space, though.

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Those mfs can't teleport.

placid fiber
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Except, whenever not viewed they move >.>

grizzled aspen
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Yeah, but again, they can't teleport.

placid fiber
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I'm pretty sure they could move through space

grizzled aspen
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They move really fast, sure, but you throw them into a fucking star and they are not getting out of it.

placid fiber
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then they absorb the star and come at you beyond light speed

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idk the exact lore on weeping angels, I just know they are scary mfs

drifting wolf
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use a diamond pickaxe

placid fiber
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Pretty sure the pickaxe would break before you could even remotely come close to damaging them >.>

drifting wolf
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nuh uh it's got durability and efficiency enchantments

placid fiber
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plus the whole you blink/look away and then they come closer and closer to you before warping you away and feeding off of your soul's energy or w/e

rocky nacelle
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get grabbed by chaos spawn, wave of pox bursters spawn, they shove 2 pox bursters on me and im 1 hp max corruption

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lmfao

fleet zealot
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have some of mine

rocky nacelle
fleet zealot
rocky nacelle
placid fiber
rocky nacelle
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least angriest soyker

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if anything i should be salty they basically got me killed with those bursters lmfao

fleet zealot
rocky nacelle
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turned off my mods for that

frosty herald
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"Yikes"

rocky nacelle
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smh I should have known when I saw the zealot with quickflame and overpressure it wasnt gonna be good

rocky nacelle
placid fiber
rocky nacelle
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he also had reload speed as a perk

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and flak which is the only good one

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gene stealers free me from this hell they call atoma....

placid fiber
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tru

spare talon
frosty herald
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Fucked up ngl

placid fiber
rocky nacelle
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currently in layer 9 abyss

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after that game

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then I get baby mod next

spare talon
# placid fiber

This image is going to be entirely different in 3 months from now

placid fiber
rocky nacelle
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really waiting for the people who are spam asking for vesture rotation to bitch when it "sucks"

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🕴️

naive parrot
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I mean, if you ask for food and someone brings you dogshit on a plate, you ARE allowed to complain

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they better not make us wait 3 weeks for dogshit, all im sayin

hushed agate
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But we're doing good

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At final event now

spare talon
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Waiter
Where is my weekly slop

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Here you go sir

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What the fuck is this? Whyd you bring me such slop?

fossil knoll
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what can i do this?

frosty herald
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If the cook cannot accept criticism of his dish it is a bad cook

spare talon
acoustic dune
spare talon
hushed agate
hushed agate
frosty herald
plush estuary
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I keep dying when I use the knife, what other weapons can carry

acoustic dune
frosty herald
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Akuseru.sama

timber vale
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Random question, what blessings should I keep an eye out for zealot melee? Primarily the eviscetstor but any weapon blessing to look out for wouldn’t hurt

acoustic dune
spare talon
frosty herald
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Idunno

timber vale
plush estuary
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lol

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first time seeing a veggie?

spare talon
acoustic dune
timber vale
clear knot
hushed agate
timber vale
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Sorry to disappoint

plush estuary
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mmt it

frosty herald
rocky nacelle
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thunder hammer and eviscerator testing grounds

grizzled aspen
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Genuinely my favorite modifier.

rocky nacelle
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I posted that kiryu gif cause I WAS mad

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I didnt have VEGGIE

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lmfao

grizzled aspen
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The only one I like other than that one is scab only no ammo.

rocky nacelle
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that one is peak

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i love bringing a flamer into that one

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ngl

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use it for those "moments"

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and if I have a vet

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better for me

grizzled aspen
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Scab only no ammo is really easy because there's no dreg ragers.

rocky nacelle
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dreg ragers are easy

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tknife

grizzled aspen
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Yeah, but I dont always wanna be using a knife.

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Sometimes I like using a heavy sword or thunder hammer.

rocky nacelle
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I said T

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knife

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yknow

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the fun ones

grizzled aspen
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When the game goes woe, 12 dreg ragers be upon ye, anything other than a knife or a dclaw is bad.

grizzled aspen
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Yeah, I know.

rocky nacelle
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nah evisc + tknife vs 12 ragers

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thats a speedrun

grizzled aspen
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Throwing knives are great but I don't wanna only use those.

rocky nacelle
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I actually really enjoy juggling evisc with tknife

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gets so much shit done

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really fun

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ran into a group of like 10 shotgunners earlier and was only able to be fine cause I tknifed a nurgle boosted trapper and dog

grizzled aspen
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Nurgle boost shouldn't add stagger resistance.

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If I whack a nurgle boosted trapper with the equivalent of 40 pounds of steel in a brick shape, they should not be able to keep standing.

rocky nacelle
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me

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practicing my long ranges on snipers n shit

onyx saddle
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what’s blessings for bolt pistol

naive parrot
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Fury Rising or Stalwart?

rocky nacelle
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never seen anyone go stalwart ever

ornate bone
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Right

hushed agate
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If you want support go left ig but i dont think its that good

modern lintel
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I remember when tknives couldnt pen trash mobs and ran into same problem crucis still has

rocky nacelle
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ngl im still surprised

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when my tknife goes through even 1 poxwalker

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into the special/elite

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guess i was used to it not pen

modern lintel
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Still tragic bolt pistol has no cleave

ornate bone
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Woeful

rocky nacelle
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thinkin i grab this

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also what would I ideally want

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to make this better

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thinkin crit chance for maniacs bloodletter for slaughterer?

acoustic dune
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wwhat do

rocky nacelle
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THIS IS ZEALOT CHAT AAAAAAAAA

acoustic dune
rocky nacelle
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well

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the stats are good

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everything else is rough

fleet zealot
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ferret zealot chat

ornate bone
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No

acoustic dune
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what do

fleet zealot
hushed agate
rocky nacelle
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OK AM I RIGHT OR NOT

acoustic dune
rocky nacelle
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replace blood letter for slaughter and crit chance for maniac

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y/n

acoustic dune
rocky nacelle
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hold up boys

acoustic dune
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erm chat

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cut his head off

rocky nacelle
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how often have you guys seen A-I-II?

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i feel like this is my first or i forgot and its the 2nd or 3rd

fleet zealot
median steeple
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god bless community notes

royal vortex
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where my crack hamsters at

hushed agate
median steeple
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in federal prison instead of rehab

royal vortex
hushed agate
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Nothing

royal vortex
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i have never been better

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i have become a magnesium based life form

median steeple
royal vortex
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there is a direct line of continuity between the me from before (severely addicted to drugs) to the me of now (leg was amputated in tragic boating accident)

median steeple
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are you still addicted to drugs

royal vortex
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i am full of magnesium so no

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there's no room in this nervous system

royal vortex
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if i wanted some weird goblin to insult me i would talk to @frank night thank u very much

median steeple
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just because you don't respect someone's opinion that doesn't make them a goblin

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smh

royal vortex
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he's like 5'3" and from the uk what else could he possibly need to qualify

median steeple
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the british version of you

royal vortex
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i am at least 5'3.5"

median steeple
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well at least you have that

hushed agate
hushed knoll
modern lintel
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My friend has been trying to gaslight me into thinking pigs are just hairless bears for like nearly 2 weeks

north sedge
spiral anvil
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Aren't they?

drifting wolf
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No

modern lintel
drifting wolf
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the giant killer pig from hell that lived millions of years ago doesn't count because it's not a pig either

median steeple
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that's a rumor made by BIG SWINE to spread fear

rocky nacelle
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@spare talon i recommended savage sweep to my friend who has a good dclaw

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hes playing vet

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did I just get him killed

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his other blessing is T4 shred

naive parrot
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Do autoguns share blessings?

rocky nacelle
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i figured savage sweep is good on vet dclaw cause its not your primary weapon all the damn time

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unlike zealots who need ramp/shred

rocky nacelle
spiral anvil
hushed agate
naive parrot
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Iteresting, thanks!

acoustic dune
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hello fellow zealot

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what do

elfin steppe
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What's the new event? Is it just the light out?

acoustic dune
elfin steppe
copper hawk
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Change flurry to the double ball one

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For maximum silliness

acoustic dune
copper hawk
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Like

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Crushers as in the enemy

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Uh a normal Crusher like the weapon

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Is good against the titular enemigo

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Idk if there's anything that feasibly kill a crusher in less than 3 seconds on Zealot that isn't a chain weapon or a THammee

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THammer*

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The best crusher killer imo is the iv dueling sword for psyker

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Shit's busted

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If u want 2 mulch ur way thru the game w/o a brain run an inexorable judgement build for a rashad or a 3 shock maul

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They dont immediately kill crushers by rashads and mauls tear them to shreds

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Mauls have a bonus against carapace to damage and the rashad is broken

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Mauls use high voltage and skull crusher, headtaker and brutal meowmentum for the rashad

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@hard nexus and @spare talon can help u w a build

spiral anvil
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Idk about mauls having a bonus vs cara

ornate bone
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Shock mauls are poggers

spiral anvil
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Saul gud

hard nexus
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hi

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whats going on

ornate bone
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The uhhh

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Damage against electrocuted and rending on staggered is great

ornate bone
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Silence

copper hawk
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Skullcrushers

hard nexus
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rending is bad because you already deal nearly full damage to armor

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ur carapace modifier is like 90%

copper hawk
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Yarp

hard nexus
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so rending is redundant

modern lintel
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Rending gaming

copper hawk
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Use skullcrusher and high voltage

hard nexus
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yarp

copper hawk
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Please for the love of the Emperor

median steeple
copper hawk
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Kinda want to put plus cara and plus flak on a smaul

ornate bone
copper hawk
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I have a collection of god rolled mauls

spiral anvil
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Rending good but not that blessing

spiral anvil
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Might help with abysmal unyielding damage though

hard nexus
spiral anvil
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Tried to raw two reapers and I lost KEKW_ogryn

copper hawk
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Mm so full of special thrust

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Zappy zappy

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Cattle prod zap zap

spiral anvil
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They filled me up

royal vortex
spiral anvil
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With lead

royal vortex
spiral anvil
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Yea SC is just too good

grizzled aspen
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playing knife zealout
mechanicus soundtrack in the background
right as I start dancing around a plogryn, dance of the cryptek starts playing

copper hawk
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Le epic green text

royal vortex
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lightning reflexes high voltage is ur 'best' boss damage because the timed block applies the debuff that shows the lightning sparks (which is what high voltage works off of)

grizzled aspen
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I'm not a 4chan user. I command you to explode for comparing me to such subhuman degenerates.

spiral anvil
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me when
mfw

royal vortex
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mfw when

copper hawk
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Noh but u r a knife zealot

grizzled aspen
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And?

copper hawk
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U will NOT be raptured

royal vortex
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who doesnt dabble in the blade nowadays

grizzled aspen
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Cope and seethe?

copper hawk
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The rapture beam will pass over u and take ur dog instead

royal vortex
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sometimes u gotta wear the fedora

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society needs a villain

grizzled aspen
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The Emperor bade me use a blade. This is the one His eyes lead me to.

copper hawk
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Who up flesh tearing they lacerate

royal vortex
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the only knife build i respect is riposte precog

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u must know the secrets of crit adm boosts

hushed agate
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LACERATE GAMING

copper hawk
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Only knife build i respect is epic cole

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
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Absolutely not. Precog uncanny and I'm dancing around you with momentum.

copper hawk
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And the heavy sword ix

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Sword is like a long knife

gray ice
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i don't even use knife, but the arcane technology of uncanny/flesh tearer is nasty work

ornate bone
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The world if precog didn't last half a second

royal vortex
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smh

grizzled aspen
copper hawk
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They're falchions so

grizzled aspen
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(heavy swords are falchions)

copper hawk
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Like a sword axe

royal vortex
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it's like 0.8 cara/1.15 flak/1.75 unyielding on crit and u can get 100% crit rate so its just like

grizzled aspen
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Yes exactly.

royal vortex
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strangeness

grizzled aspen
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They're more like axes, functionally, than swords.

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Hence the name, "heavy sword."

grizzled aspen
copper hawk
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Actually they're still more like swords if u think about it

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Struggle against armor and is light to swing fast

royal vortex
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i mean if ur assuming full setup there's literally no way the ttk difference is large enough to matter

copper hawk
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Lawnmower blade

grizzled aspen
royal vortex
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if ur playing chastise knife (stealth and chorus are two of my least favorite ults in the game) u also don't run into the issue of rending capping at 100%

grizzled aspen
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Heavy swords only struggle in game because carapace isn't simply metal armor.

gray ice
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I already miss my ranged rending on chastise Sitgryn

gray ice
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so much loadout flexibility whisked away

copper hawk
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Falchions r one of my fav class of wpns

grizzled aspen
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It's an ultra tough alloy that is basically impenetrable to anything short of armor piercing ammunition or power weaponry.

copper hawk
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There's so many different kinds

royal vortex
ornate bone
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Big falchion, small falchion

acoustic dune
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or

copper hawk
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Godenaks or the wretched abomination from the Maciejowski bible

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Irl

ornate bone
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Mom, Cica is speaking Polish again

acoustic dune
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perfer the bastard sword myself

grizzled aspen
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I'm partial to the good old longsword.

royal vortex
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chainsword doesn't count because u literally get 0 value from stealth so ur sorta pigeonholed into fotf unless u run the shit ult

copper hawk
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Longsword

grizzled aspen
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After learning to use one IRL, they're actually significantly more sophisticated than simply "pointy end toward bad guy."

copper hawk
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Boooooring

gray ice
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i just miss running not bolter or zarona for armor

ornate bone
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I like uhhh the uhhh

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The uhhh

royal vortex
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the real trick is blazing piety hh/da vraks 3

grizzled aspen
gray ice
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zealot could use like one more anti armor ranged that isn't just inheriting the bolters shitty recoil again 5063_blyat

grizzled aspen
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Good luck doing that with anything that isn't a longsword.

royal vortex
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any anti armor ranged for zealot is probably going to be pigeonholed into just performing that role

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so the fundamental gameplay difference is u swap out the model

copper hawk
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Y r u halfswording ur longsword isnt even that long anyways

grizzled aspen
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You are insane.

copper hawk
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U have low confidence in ur point control..

ornate bone
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Use the full sword lmaooooooooooooooo

grizzled aspen
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Longswords are long. It's in the name, "longsword."

copper hawk
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So u haz 2 hold ur blade..

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Kekekeke..

hushed agate
north sedge
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They destroyed darktide by not letting flamethrower kill chargers 😔

royal vortex
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alright but why isnt the eviscerator named the longchainsword

copper hawk
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Silly silly Italian-style longswordsman..

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We LICHTENHAUER in this household

grizzled aspen
acoustic dune
copper hawk
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THRUSTING is for GOOBERZ

acoustic dune
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or go good ol german

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the swei

gray ice
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I mean is that necessarily bad though? I don't think it's pigeonholing, this game has a whole armory and (soon) crafting system. I think it's fine if they add weapons that fill a certain niche sometimes

copper hawk
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U will perform only CUTS and u will LIKE IT !!

grizzled aspen
copper hawk
hushed agate
gray ice
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Bolt pistol is pretty like "meh" overall but I friggin love the thing cuz it pairs super nice with dclaw, aiming it is just a woeful experience sadge

grizzled aspen
hushed agate
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My phones bout to die

opal star
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can't you just stab through plate with the tip of the sword and adequate force

hushed agate
grizzled aspen
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No.

royal vortex
grizzled aspen
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Plate is specifically made to not be stabbable.

grizzled aspen
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That's why you stopped seeing the roman style of the flat, chiseled chestplates.

acoustic dune
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speaking of stab

grizzled aspen
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They don't stop piercing weapons.

acoustic dune
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i was thinking not long ago

royal vortex
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i think almost every complaint about "loadout diversity" i've seen has boiled down to "i don't want to have any consideration for the choices i make when building the loadout"

acoustic dune
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are arrows just spears?

grizzled aspen
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The only way to stop a piercing weapon is to redirect it.

spiral anvil
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Curved surface

copper hawk
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Rlly fast spears

grizzled aspen
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So the English invented curved breastplates.

spiral anvil
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That's why helmets

copper hawk
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My fav wpn is by far the tuck

acoustic dune
copper hawk
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I love the tuck..

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Elegant longsword..

royal vortex
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but hey

copper hawk
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Evolved.. magnificent..

grizzled aspen
royal vortex
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theyre almost guaranteed to do awful things to weapons with the crafting update

copper hawk
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That's estoc 4 u europeans

grizzled aspen
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It's basically a cup for the butt of a spear.

royal vortex
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so the rollercoaster of weird fs decisions has yet to begin

spiral anvil
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That involves more work

grizzled aspen
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But you throw centripital force into the mix and it makes your spear like 4x as powerful.

opal star
copper hawk
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Hwacha

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Hi hwacha

royal vortex
copper hawk
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Miaodao is one of my fav wpns

grizzled aspen
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Also, the ballista exists.

copper hawk
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Or the changdao

acoustic dune
copper hawk
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Literally longe sword

spiral anvil
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Weapon nerfs next year KEKW_ogryn

grizzled aspen
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A Pila?

copper hawk
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Pre gunpowder artillery is so funny

acoustic dune
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prob

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idk the name

grizzled aspen
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Literally, ballistae.

opal star
grizzled aspen
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And yeah, the roman spears were called pila.

ornate bone
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VINTE PILA

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MAS BAH TCHÊ

copper hawk
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Erm pilum.. pila is plural..

acoustic dune
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fuckin nerds

grizzled aspen
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Shut up.

copper hawk
grizzled aspen
#

Nerd.

acoustic dune
#

lets move away from weapon

royal vortex
acoustic dune
#

and nerd on about armors

#

maximalian my beloved

royal vortex
#

so i would assume its gonna be earlier than that

copper hawk
#

Anything after the 15th century is bleh

grizzled aspen
#

So anyway, the sallet is the most effective helmet ever invented pre ballistic weaponry.

copper hawk
#

Brigandine and cobbled together half plate is my fav

grizzled aspen
#

I will not be arguing with anyone. They can sit in their wrongness and be wrong.

copper hawk
#

Coat of plates r underrated pieces of rinky dink armor

#

Brigandine came from china

acoustic dune
#

exspecially parade armor

gray ice
acoustic dune
#

if i am gonna die

spiral anvil
acoustic dune
#

lemme die covered in drip

gray ice
#

glad we got shock mauls this go around

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and not another variant of sword

copper hawk
#

Waffenrocks r pawesome

grizzled aspen
#

I enjoy coats of plates.

gray ice
#

keep them cool weapons comin

royal vortex
#

saul shouldve been a single weapon

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one of the variants shouldnt exist

gray ice
royal vortex
#

like they function almost fucking identically

gray ice
#

I couldn't like not identify many differences

royal vortex
#

if you block cancel the agni it's literally identical

gray ice
#

and I was in there for a MINUTE

north sedge
acoustic dune
#

tell me you dont wanna die is this

royal vortex
#

i was trying to figure out if there was enough going on to make a crusher guide pt 2 and i was just like

grizzled aspen
#

I don't.

royal vortex
#

these weapons are so painfully hard to distinguish

grizzled aspen
#

Plate armor is unbelievably heavy.

#

Like, sure, we made strides to make it able to be mobile.

median steeple
#

you're dead it dont matter how heavy it is you look amazing

grizzled aspen
#

But it is still heavy as fuck and you get tired very easily.

ornate bone
#

Protection gud

royal vortex
#

like i did a bunch of testing on maulers and i thought i had a strict dps lead for the agni over the indignatus and then i realized i was just doing the wrong combo and the numbers came out IDENTICAL

acoustic dune
royal vortex
#

and i was genuinely distraught

grizzled aspen
#

I'm just saying, you aren't dodging a mace to the face in that.

acoustic dune
copper hawk
#

The heaviest single part of the armor is the chain mail

grizzled aspen
#

And a mace doesn't care what you're wearing.

median steeple
#

big brain cica here

copper hawk
#

A hauberk or even a haubergeon can weigh 15 lbs

#

Just by itself

royal vortex
#

it was another one of those "you don't have to throw a krak grenade over a bulwark shield to magnetize it to the carapace" things

copper hawk
#

The plates weigh relatively little

grizzled aspen
#

The plates compound the issue of the underarmor.

acoustic dune
copper hawk
#

Chain mail chausses for example are heavy as fuck

grizzled aspen
#

Indeed.

copper hawk
#

You can wear plates without chain

royal vortex
#

u know what else is heavy as fuck

#

cinderblocks

copper hawk
#

Contrary to bideo games gambeson is perfectly fine armor

royal vortex
#

didn't stop me from dropping one into the driverseat of a moving car

#

killing the occupant instantly

copper hawk
#

There's different kinds if you're wearing it as a protective jacket or as padding under plate

grizzled aspen
#

The issue with that is, now you've defeated the purpose of wearing plate by giving yourself weakspots.

copper hawk
#

It's more hot than heavy, but it still very cut resistant

grizzled aspen
#

I would rather just not wear plate at all.

copper hawk
#

Just wear the gambeson and quilted chausses

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And then the plates

copper hawk
#

Dat shrimple

royal vortex
grizzled aspen
royal vortex
#

nothing will ever compare

north sedge
#

True

opal star
#

what if I hit the plate with a very heavy blunt object

grizzled aspen
#

Anybody using a cutting weapon can kill you, easily.

median steeple
#

the Spanish conquistador drip is what I wish to die in

opal star
#

such as a warhammer

#

or 40000 of them

ornate bone
#

The armor is there for the same reason seatbelts exist

copper hawk
#

Chinese armor is literally peak

grizzled aspen
copper hawk
#

While the europeans were living in huts after the apocalypse that was the collapse of the WRE

grizzled aspen
#

I'm not wearing an extra 40lbs of plate across my body just for a peasant to 360 no scope me with a fucking sling.

median steeple
#

Jurchen Iron pagoda my beloved

copper hawk
#

Dynasties in China were killing eachother in the tens of thousands over basically nothing

grizzled aspen
#

Your helmet won't protect you from a sling, dingus.

copper hawk
#

Brigandine was used in war there along w complicated plate armor like three centuries before the Europeans started using it

acoustic dune
copper hawk
#

Until it came across the silk road

grizzled aspen
#

Move a 3 pound stone at 60mph and find a helmet that survives that.

acoustic dune
#

unless you are slinging a boulder

grizzled aspen
#

Do you not understand how centripital force works?

#

Or however you spell that word?

copper hawk
#

Slings are pretty gnarly

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
#

Slings are one of the deadliest weapons mankind conceived.

copper hawk
#

In the Republican era the Romans used slingers as their first line of troops

grizzled aspen
copper hawk
#

They'd sling their stones and then flee for the more professional volunteers to fight

acoustic dune
copper hawk
#

In the post-Marian Imperial kit a Roman legionary would have a sling on them

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It's an underrated piece of kit

acoustic dune
#

so you aint gonna wear a helmet at all

royal vortex
#

you wear the helmet for extra damage when headbutting

grizzled aspen
#

Like I don't fully understand why you can't wrap your head around a helmet not protecting you from a sling.

copper hawk
#

But was beloved by Rome

grizzled aspen
#

What is a sling, if not a mace from way over there?

ornate bone
#

Armor is there for the same reason seatbelts are

grizzled aspen
#

And what do we know about maces?

copper hawk
#

Helmets can stop bullets

grizzled aspen
#

Maces. Don't. Care. About. Armor.

royal vortex
ornate bone
#

People who don't wear armor are either stupid or suicidal

copper hawk
#

Kevlar ones

grizzled aspen
#

Helmets do not stop bullets.

#

Helmets catch bullets.

#

Very different things.

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
#

Yes, shrapnel is the main purpose of modern helmets.

copper hawk
#

Someone tap the photo of 7.62 lodged in a kevlar helmet

grizzled aspen
#

Yeah, it caught it. Didn't stop it.

#

You are misunderstanding those two terms.

ornate bone
#

The absolute level of semantics

royal vortex
#

helmets don't catch bullets magicians do

#

idiot

spare talon
#

My internet has been down the entire day due to the provider
So I've just been playing an offline single player game the entire time
And I basically just beat it but the INTERNET IS STILL DOWN

grizzled aspen
#

It's not even semantics.

median steeple
#

I mean catching the bullet is literally stopping it

grizzled aspen
#

It's literally two different terms.

acoustic dune
#

by your logic i should go fite someone with a sling butt naked against a fully armoured wank

copper hawk
#

Ur ceramic plate didnt stop that bullet

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It caught it..

grizzled aspen
#

Stopping a round means zero back face deformation.

copper hawk
#

Or better yet, a steel plate

grizzled aspen
#

I.e. the helmet does not warp on the inside.

copper hawk
#

Better example

#

Bullets partially impact steel and stay there

grizzled aspen
#

There is not a single helmet made today that has zero back face deformation.

copper hawk
#

In a nasty lump

ornate bone
#

The armor warps so your body doesn't

grizzled aspen
#

Yeah.

copper hawk
#

More of a catch than a stop

opal star
#

a helmet can lessen the impact of a bullet, but stopping one is in the realm of maybes

acoustic dune
#

for how the helmet is design

copper hawk
#

I need ti stop procrastinating

acoustic dune
#

its more like space armour

copper hawk
#

I need to do this 7 mile before the gremlins appear

#

Goobye goonlings

grizzled aspen
#

The issue with stopping a bullet is, the helmet can survive after stopping one, but the force has to go somewhere.

acoustic dune
#

getting hit by a mace doesnt mean bye bye directly

grizzled aspen
#

Meaning it snaps your neck.

royal vortex
grizzled aspen
#

Which is why those Russian titanium helmets stopped being made.

opal star
#

gotta work out ya neck

grizzled aspen
#

They definitely stopped bullets, yeah, but the user still fucking died.

ornate bone
#

Wasn't the neck snap thing already dismissed back in WW2?

grizzled aspen
#

I have no idea.

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
#

Regardless, not a good idea.

ornate bone
#

I'm almost sure bullets don't have enough mass to push your head back enough to snap your neck with the helmet

grizzled aspen
#

Mass isn't the issue.

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Energy is.

#

And if you have enough mass, nothing will stop you anyway.

#

Like, a .50 AE has enough mass to punch through about all modern body armor short of a literal bomb suit.

#

And that's a pistol cartridge.

#

Anywho, the reason people don't die by being shot in the helmet anymore is that we realized preventing back face deformation of a helmet is nigh impossible without harming the user, so we added spacing inside helmets.

ornate bone
#

Kinetic energy depends on mass

grizzled aspen
#

You have a sort of harness on the inside of it that you strap to your head, and there's space between the actual armor of the helmet and your head.

acoustic dune
#

still gonna wear a helmet

opal star
#

so basically

#

even if you have safety nets like armor n shit

#

you shouldn't be trying to get hit

grizzled aspen
# ornate bone Kinetic energy depends on mass

Again, mass isn't the issue. The issue is energy. Just about every distance you're able to get shot at with accuracy, the mass of the round is irrelevant. It's still gonna dump its full payload of energy into you.

ornate bone
grizzled aspen
#

There's a certain distance bullets have to travel before they begin to slow down, and this varies for every type of cartridge, but regardless of that, the mass of the projectile striking you doesn't really matter.

acoustic dune
#

i feel like we are gonna end up talking about tanks

grizzled aspen
#

Until you get into anti material rounds, that is.

#

Then you're fucked either way.

distant galleon
#

to be fair if you're being shot at.. i recommend leaving that place

opal star
#

just dont be made of material shrug

ornate bone
#

Considering the same volume, stopping a piece of paper at 300m/s is easier than stopping a piece of lead at the same velocity

grizzled aspen
# opal star you shouldn't be trying to get hit

This is the main point of all this. Armor isn't infallible because either A) you're not getting hit where the armor is protecting, B) the armor is too heavy to move in, or C) the armor does work, but it doesn't stop the transfer of energy from turning your organs to soup or bones to powder.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

Yeah, I know.

hard nexus
#

yes ur gonn have a hole in u which is a problem

grizzled aspen
#

But then you have a hole in you, and the topic is helmets.

#

Don't think you want holes in your head.

opal star
#

ears

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nose

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mouth

acoustic dune
#

ass

grizzled aspen
#

Other than the ones obviously present, smartass.

opal star
#

oh that's not-

opal star
acoustic dune
#

but it depend on engaging range

grizzled aspen
#

Show me a publicly available armor that can stop .50 AE.

acoustic dune
#

does it not?

grizzled aspen
#

It does.

acoustic dune
#

then just get out of range

distant galleon
grizzled aspen
#

Backface deformation.

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If it has backface deformation, it didn't stop the round, it caught it.

#

Which... directly over your heart... not a good plan.

hard nexus
opal star
#

meow gets it

grizzled aspen
hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

Armor classifications are recommendations.

hard nexus
#

no they're classifications

modern lintel
#

I belive the peak that lvl 4 can stop is multiple black tip 30-06 or atleast thats what most companies commonly advertise as the highest caliber youre likely to run into

grizzled aspen
#

Go ahead and show me some class 4 armor that got shot by a .50 AE and didn't have backface deformation.

rocky nacelle
# acoustic dune

warp flurry -> surge if ya got it, specialists into flak or carapace cuz heads

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

It isn't.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

This isn't a semantics argument. This is actual terminology. Stopping a round means there is no backface deformation.

hard nexus
#

the energy is stopped

modern lintel
#

And also even if your plate do somehow stop a .50 your entire rib cage and sternum will be toast and very likely organ rupture

grizzled aspen
#

Bingo.

#

Backface deformation is unavoidable.

#

It came free with your laws of physics.

hard nexus
#

ok so then stopping a bullet is a myth?

opal star
#

throw it in the garbage

grizzled aspen
#

No. Stopping a bullet isn't a myth. What I'm saying is, modern body armor doesn't stop bullets, it catches them.

acoustic dune
#

tbf the question would end up being is it better to het a blunt damage or a pierce shot

opal star
#

blunt, easily

grizzled aspen
#

I can go weld myself a full suit of titanium metal and have some idiot mag dump me with 7.62x39 and not have any piercing wounds.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

The issue of stopping 31 rounds of 7.62x39 is that my organs would be soup and my bones would be powder.

modern lintel
#

Most plates will still cause broken ribs on conventional rounds such 7.62x39,7.62x54r , .308 or 5.56 but a .50 yea your toast if the plate stops it at all the only thing its going to allow you is an open casket funeral

acoustic dune
#

nerd out i swear

grizzled aspen
#

It's not that hard to comprehend transfer of energy.

grizzled aspen
grizzled aspen
modern lintel
#

Russian has multiple anti material rounds already

opal star
#

all I'm hearing is that there's a complete lack of padding going on with these armors

hard nexus
#

everyone does

acoustic dune
#

plate armour my beloved

grizzled aspen
#

I don't hate armor.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

I find that being where the attack isn't is the best strategy to not being hurt, though.

acoustic dune
#

and be a canonier

grizzled aspen
opal star
#

the human body fucking sucks

grizzled aspen
#

Source: my father served in the gulf war and took 3 7.62x39 to the back.

modern lintel
#

Though i have seen casses of a vest that stopped a 30mm full bore round tho from the pictures it looked like an extreme diagonal angle of impact and likely from a ricochet off something before hand

grizzled aspen
#

Oh you can definitely get shot without padding and survive.

#

But either way, it's not gonna be fun.

rocky nacelle
grizzled aspen
ornate bone
#

The armor gives you a very shitty time breathing after a bullet so you can still breathe

rocky nacelle
#

zealot

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
#

Your best chance of survival is to not be in a position to get shot at in the first place.

modern lintel
#

Real

opal star
#

Yeah duh but that's BOOOOORING

grizzled aspen
#

Quite literally, yes.

hard nexus
acoustic dune
#

yeah but what if you get hit?

grizzled aspen
#

Or shoot them first.

acoustic dune
#

what then smart guy?

grizzled aspen
#

Pray.

#

To whatever god you believe in.

acoustic dune
#

do i just sit there and die?

grizzled aspen
#

And hope your medic can stop the bleeding.

#

Or, if you're able to, basic self aid.

#

I.e. application of a tourniquet.

modern lintel
opal star
#

This sounds like something #veteran-class would be yapping about at this hour

acoustic dune
hard nexus
rocky nacelle
acoustic dune
opal star
hard nexus
#

(this is his final thought)

grizzled aspen
modern lintel
ornate bone
#

"Just don't be in a position to get shot" people when bush #1737 in the forest shoots them in the lung

grizzled aspen
#

We make bullets to shoot through walls.

#

That's not a joke, either.

hard nexus
acoustic dune
opal star
#

just dodge the bullet

hard nexus
#

its the same reason why the idea that a shotgun will physically knock someone a significant distance back is incorrect

grizzled aspen
hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

Like, all of these things are limiting factors of "can I stay standing."

#

You can't stand if there's no breath in your lungs.

hard nexus
#

i am talking about the physical energy. if you are shot repeatedly, yes you would eventually be driven to the ground, its the principal behind modern tactics taught to soldiers

grizzled aspen
#

And you can't breathe once you're full of holes.

ornate bone
#

Which people use armor to mitigate

opal star
#

I thought the armor was stopping you from getting full of holes

hard nexus
#

however one, or two shots would not have enough energy to drive you down to the ground

grizzled aspen
hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

Preventing you from dying outright is the best thing standard issue can really do.

hard nexus
#

i know a navy corpsman who served, plates stop bullets all the time

acoustic dune
#

from medival weapon to ranting about how wearing armour is stupid

#

truly

#

a pog champ moment

grizzled aspen
#

I'm not saying wearing armor is stupid.

#

I'm saying relying on armor is stupid.

hushed agate
hard nexus
#

yes thats common sense

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

It's a terrible idea to assume that it will be perfectly capable of protecting you at all times.

opal star
grizzled aspen
#

Especially with how wonky ballistics can be.

hard nexus
#

yeah nobody said that

acoustic dune
#

where is that babble coming from

grizzled aspen
#

I'm just reinforcing my opinion.

hard nexus
#

frogscast is changing the topic constantly out of an attempt to stay "correct"

grizzled aspen
#

I never claimed anybody said that.

hard nexus
#

then why would you bring it up

#

it was entirely unrelated to the topic

grizzled aspen
acoustic dune
#

dude i just wanted to goon over plate armour

ornate bone
#

Anyone who knows armor knows relying on it to be some kind of magic shield is dumb

grizzled aspen
#

You would be surprised at how many people actually do think that's how it works.

opal star
#

I was going to make a rimworld reference with that

hard nexus
delicate shadow
opal star
#

where's my magic shield :(

spare talon
#

INTERNET IS BACK
AND IT WAS JUST CUZ FRONTIER FUCKED THE DNS
SO I JUST HAD TO KNOW WHAT TO SET IT TO MANUALLY!!!!

acoustic dune
delicate shadow
opal star
hard nexus
#

hi cole

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
acoustic dune
delicate shadow
#

that's it I'm gonna start an argument

hard nexus
ornate bone
#

At this point I have no idea what the point being made was

#

It's like the entire point was arguing against something no one said

opal star
#

wearing armor better than not wearing armor
getting shot still bad tho

ornate bone
#

Which is kinda based in a way

grizzled aspen
ornate bone
#

A man needs to fight his demons every once in a while

grizzled aspen
hard nexus
#

why???

acoustic dune
hard nexus
opal star
grizzled aspen
#

Because blunt weaponry is the most prevalent thing and I would rather die without being tired as hell.

acoustic dune
#

that was the point of your metaphor

#

thats the conclusion you were heading

delicate shadow
#

armour was still useful even against blunt weaponry

grizzled aspen
opal star
hard nexus
#

yes

grizzled aspen
#

Because it won't.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

???

#

Ok, you first.

#

Go get hit in the head with a mace a couple times.

delicate shadow
acoustic dune
#

golly gee willikers

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

I'm just saying, my choice would be to not wear a helmet.

opal star
hard nexus
#

why.

grizzled aspen
#

There's nothing wrong with that.

delicate shadow
#

without a helmet you'll just get an arrow through the skull

acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
#

Y'all are free to wear your helmets as you please.

hard nexus
#

true

opal star
#

bro watched too many fantasy movies

hard nexus
#

hes gonna pop revenge and 1v4 dude

hard nexus
#

watch

hushed agate
#

Frogcast is a named character

sharp zodiac
#

For Honor mentioned

acoustic dune
ornate bone
#

He's the pink-haired character in the high school anime

sharp zodiac
#

Oh

hushed agate
opal star
sharp zodiac
grizzled aspen
#

There is no emoji available on this server to explain my depression at being compared to some pink-haired anime character.

acoustic dune
#

moment

delicate shadow
#

POV: no armour

hushed agate
acoustic dune
#

if armour is stupid

#

then explaint this

hard nexus
spare talon
hard nexus
#

CP??!?!?!?!?!??!?

spare talon