So the graia doesn't have pen, right? No matter if I give it power or not? lol
#zealot-class
ivory marlin
yeah well im stupid
placid fiber
The real question is... fire frenzy or deathspitter for the graia? :/
north sedge
parries only work on attacks and supers, tech the grab, gotta jump command grabs! it's all just science
placid fiber
My gut tells me fire frenzy, but, I don't know much about brautos
misty nova
So the graia doesn't have pen, right? No matter if I give it power or not? lol
Your default cleave is 1.5, that's like two groaners/walkers
placid fiber
Your default cleave is 1.5, that's like two groaners/walkers
If I can pen 2 chuck norris' with the graia, then I'm pretty sure I could pen a crusher
@north sedge Is Deathspitter power? And fire frenzy damage?
placid fiber
I'm asking because I want to know if fire frenzy's bonus stacks additively to anoint in blood's
Welp... she's at least good enough to use for now... I lacked the plasteel to get both fire frenzy and 25% flak >.>
solar gorge
godfrey would never yell at morgott smh
steel agate
Godfrey with or without tiger buffer 
stone fern
put death spitter and firefrenzy on it and wait for the update 
placid fiber
put death spitter and firefrenzy on it and wait for the update <:chadgryn:116114...
I wouldn't want to even use it, then, so what's the point? Look at the setup I have on it currently. This setup, for blessings, makes me want to use a brauto. Yes, I know hit and run isn't one of the meta blessings, but, idgaf. It is a meta blessing for me as a player, on my brautos
placid fiber
Welp... she's at least good enough to use for now... I lacked the plasteel to ge...
@stone fern
north sedge
you can parry dogs with the shock mail
I was unaware it had a parry special
placid fiber
ye i saw it
That is my ideal blessing combo on brautos, for me as a player
stone fern
if you like it thats what matters
many times "meta" builds fail to take into account play styles
i like decap a lot more than headtaker on rashad for example
placid fiber
if you like it thats what matters
It isn't that I like it, it is that the combo I have specifically triggers something in my brain which makes its opinion on the brauto go from nay to yay
x.x
Honestly I would love having both damage blessings... but then my brain tells me: No, and makes me not want to use it... this is the best way I can explain it
My brain is stupid...
That being said: Having something that helps keep you alive while you are panic gaming is never a bad idea... x.x
Anyway, that's all for my rant. Sorry... >.>'
hard nexus
I was unaware it had a parry special
it’s a blessing
the timed block
it stuns the dog so it still jumps on u but is immediately stunned off
ivory marlin
do random que gamers not understand how the game works?
buoyant pewter
do random que gamers not understand how the game works?
Safer to assume no
ivory marlin
real
sterile basalt
I wouldn't want to even use it, then, so what's the point? Look at the setup I h...
Hit & run is really good utility especially since they buffed close range
Not as high as double +dps blessings but utility-wise it’s good
misty nova
I've become addicted to rushing in with a HnR Graia IV
Shooting everything with Dance of Death
Suppressing whoever is in front
sterile basalt
Yes hit & run with dance of death is good
placid fiber
Not as high as double +dps blessings but utility-wise it’s good
You see... the extra utility on my ranged weapon can be the key difference between a clutch and a wipe... especially since I naturally get panicked while gaming... I mean I start doing better the more panicked I get(I might be more prone to mistakes, but, I start reacting better)... but when you're panicked you most certainly are not thinking clearly lol
sterile basalt
You see... the extra utility on my ranged weapon can be the key difference betwe...
Yea utility blessings aren’t bad choices
nimble fiber
ivory marlin
Zealot chat is the best chat in the server
I cant wait til im actually leveling my zealot
nimble fiber
shirt jalington boots are the best shirt jalington boots in the server
north sedge
nimble fiber
I cant wait til im actually leveling my shirt jalington boots
ivory marlin
:D
crisp furnace
Ayo
ivory marlin
north sedge
nimble fiber
it gets worse and worse
also incredible that he didn't safe himself with the megan markle
north sedge
quaint verge
ye
quaint verge
HT and the Elite perk could be better, but ye
inland bane
Oh brother
unreal steppe
Thanks guys
ripe quest
hushed agate
misty nova
Bro would fail the captcha
spare talon
I realize how nice I have it here in the darktide server
Where I can explain hidden mechanics and people go "wow neat! Can't wait to use that!"
north sedge
also bad at this one
placid fiber
the yellow minivan
that was on the top right
spare talon
Where I can explain hidden mechanics and people go "wow neat! Can't wait to use ...
Vs other games where I do the same and get told I'm lying
And when I show them proof I'm not and tell them how they can see themselves I'm told that they don't want to read spreadsheets (I told them to go to the shooting range and shoot one thing and look at the damage number)
ornate bone
I legit never saw Christopher Nolan
north sedge
stop lying cole geez
north sedge
I legit never saw Christopher Nolan
he thought christopher nolan was the guy who played superman
ornate bone
I know the middle guy is that Superman actor
north sedge
yes
placid fiber
stop lying cole geez
@spare talon Yeah, cole, stop lying! Otherwise I'll have to show off my rorr scrappers and printers...
hushed agate
Vs other games where I do the same and get told I'm lying
And when I show them p...
This is the only game discord i can stand to be in frankly. Every other one has either horrible mods or insufferable members
hushed agate
This is the only game discord i can stand to be in frankly. Every other one has ...
Which you wouldn't expect given its 40k
ornate bone
The mods never asked me to name all 40000 warhammers, so they're pretty alright
hushed agate
The mods never asked me to name all 40000 warhammers, so they're pretty alright
Good thing they haven't. last guy i saw that fumbled that quiz never showed up afterwards
north sedge
Which you wouldn't expect given its 40k
we filter the weirdos out mostly
hardy eagle
Hi I’m just checking in to get the red name 🙃
royal vortex
shalom
spare talon
He's talking about using a mod that gives up to 30% more damage after kills
I'm talking about how each enemy hit increases the damage of the next calculated damage instance in the hit by 2.3x
hushed agate
"We dont care" i dont think there's anything worth staying in there
spare talon
And hes saying "well I'm hitting 30% harder than you"
placid fiber
<@142046391504601088> Yeah, cole, stop lying! Otherwise I'll have to show off my...
BEHOLD! The power of raw determination, despite the fact risk of rain returns does not support mods yet!
spare talon
IM FUCKING ONE SHOTTING THEM CUZ I KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND YOU SAID YOU ARENT
ripe quest
Hi I’m just checking in to get the red name 🙃
placid fiber
BEHOLD! The power of raw determination, despite the fact risk of rain returns do...
cough Also it shows how stubborn the risk of rain modding community is... cough
spare talon
God this is infuriating
Like theoretically this guy could do it more effectively than I could with the mod he's advocating for
But that requires him to just actually acknowledge how the underlying mechanics of the gun works
But he just refuses to do so because ?????
ornate bone
idk lmao lol ecks deedeedee
spare talon
I truly understand why I've stayed in this discord so long compared to other game related ones
Cuz the vast majority of you are sane and/or have actual cognitive function capable of critical thinking
Which cannot be said for most other discords
royal vortex
not true.
south folio
coke
cosmic heath
OW BOUT THIS EMPEROR GUY SEEMS PRETTY COOL
median steeple
Damn stalker 2 got delayed again
crisp furnace
south folio
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1266172371262242886/ca...
coke
hard nexus
they cant handle your swag
hard nexus
I truly understand why I've stayed in this discord so long compared to other gam...
idk about all of that but the people here r funny
what game was that
rorr?
or first descendant
spare talon
or first descendant
This
spare talon
first descendat moirie like
Like were you one of the mentally ill players here (destiny player)
Cuz i could explain it better in those terms
hard nexus
Like were you one of the mentally ill players here (destiny player)
no
buit
i understand destiny
spare talon
I was gonna name drop like specific weapons and perks
spare talon
But basically
In tfd
hard nexus
and exponentially increasing ur damage
off of weak enemies
to one shot the big enemy
spare talon
You have this smg that explodes enemies when they die
hard nexus
kaboom
spare talon
This other guy uses a mod that basically gives you 10% damage buff on kill up to 30%
And he was using that as an excuse to say why he was preforming better than me in theory
As I was trying to describe how the guns explosions actually had insane scaling it says nowhere in the game
hard nexus
scales off of kills right
spare talon
Making a difference of 30% with the mod he uses vs 1000% from just using the gun with this knowledge in mind
spare talon
Cuz the explosion deals damage to every enemy hit, in order
hard nexus
what do u mean in order
spare talon
Like imagine when you cause an explosion
ivory marlin
Devil claw is funky
I never realized how delayed attacks are till i actively started trying to parry
spare talon
The game instantly orders what damage happened first, second, third, etc
hard nexus
The game instantly orders what damage happened first, second, third, etc
ohh okay
spare talon
To what enemy
In the description, the explosion does (killing hit dmg) x 133%
What it doesn't mention
Is that it continues this x 133% for each enemy hit in its order of damage
hard nexus
so killing shot does 100 explosion does 133?
spare talon
so killing shot does 100 explosion does 133?
233
hard nexus
ohh
spare talon
It's weird
The game lists percents and multipliers without the 1 following it
spare talon
So yeah it's a 2.3 multi
spare talon
So if you kill a weak enemy next to abunch of other weak enemies and a big strong enemy
And the big enemy was late in the damage order
Obliterated
hard nexus
oh
OHH
i get it now
u chain the explosion
and it exponentially increases off of the chain kills
so doess that require like setup? to get the enemies in the right positions
spare talon
It's less of a chain explosion, and more a chain multiplier in the instances of damage from the 1 explosion
spare talon
It increases the damage of the next target it registers as hit from the same explosion
If I kill the guy in the middle and hit everyone else with it
It could process the damage like this
Where each bounce multiplies how much damage the next target takes from the same expansion
So the first guy only takes 233 damage at the bottom middle
The guy at the end of the chain would be taking more than 79,000 damage
spare talon
Bear in mind this happens instantly on your screen
Cuz it is one single explosion
north sedge
hard nexus
Anywhere in the game
its okay
ur used to it
u play darktide
also
cole look in #gameplay-help
theres a funny build in there
spare talon
So if you know it exists
You can deliberately shoot the enemy that hits the most targets AND the boss, instead of just the one that may hit more targets but not the boss
And suddenly the guy you'd spend way more time shooting has been alt f4ed
hard nexus
hows the way the order picked? proximity?
spare talon
Fucking random
spare talon
So sometimes it happens sometimes it doesnt
But when it happens
Teehee this 3 minute fight ended in 2 seconds
With an add clear weapon
spare talon
But it's actually dogshit cuz I'm not running the 30% conditional mod like that other guy was so it's whatever
He does 30% more damage than me some of the time
It's so over
hard nexus
its so joever
unreal steppe
How does the boltgun stack up against the bolt pistol?
hard nexus
How does the boltgun stack up against the bolt pistol?
slower, more damage, less manuervable
more cleave
spare talon
its so joever
He's like "no that's cap I would have noticed if that's how it worked"
And I explain how he can test it in 30 seconds to see for himself
"Numbers numbers numbers I'm here to have fun not do statistical analysis"
ivory marlin
ivory marlin
Cole
You didn’t tell me parrying also works on plague ogryns
I soloed one with just parries and dodges
I felt so cool
spare talon
You didn’t tell me parrying also works on plague ogryns
I said it works on every blockable attack and overheads
I did not lie
fleet zealot
obsidian prairie
slower, more damage, less manuervable
Actually less damage sometimes
Mostly because Deadly Accurate is fucked
buoyant pewter
I forgot what someone told me, crucis or ironhelm?
obsidian prairie
For what, general use or memes
buoyant pewter
General use
spare talon
Ironhelm
obsidian prairie
Ironhelm
hushed knoll
It skeeves me out when mattresses don’t have sheets on them
obsidian prairie
Does less boss damage in exchange for doing everything else better
spare talon
You didn’t tell me parrying also works on plague ogryns
My brother
fleet zealot
It skeeves me out when mattresses don’t have sheets on them
get skeeved idiot
obsidian prairie
Mine now
grizzled aspen
Rat detected.
hushed knoll
I bring a blow up bed to hotels so I don’t have to sleep in hotel beds
buoyant pewter
What blessings and perks do I want on ironhelm?
obsidian prairie
Thrust and a power blessing
grizzled aspen
Thrust and skullcrusher/headtaker.
buoyant pewter
Sweet thanks, and perks
obsidian prairie
Probably flak and cara/elites
ivory marlin
I said it works on every blockable attack and overheads
I forgor
buoyant pewter
Much appreciated
obsidian prairie
You could also do Unyielding if you hate bosses
grizzled aspen
He's like "no that's cap I would have noticed if that's how it worked"
And I exp...
This sounds like incandescent, unless you're referring to dragonfly/firefly.
obsidian prairie
Weird that there isn't an armored random spawn boss in DT
But its probably because it would destroy newer players
grizzled aspen
Hopefully, if and when we get a boss rework, not all of them will be unyielding.
obsidian prairie
And be weird to balance
spare talon
This sounds like incandescent, unless you're referring to dragonfly/firefly.
I'm referring to thundercage from tfd, which I was gonna compare to those for a starting visualization to expand upon
grizzled aspen
Imagine if a BON armor type got changed to infested.
north sedge
Weird that there isn't an armored random spawn boss in DT
The twins when they were invading, sadly that's done
grizzled aspen
I just want boss armor types to change.
obsidian prairie
it was like a week or two of Rinda or Rodin photobombing a mission and destroying an unprepared team
grizzled aspen
Or for fatshark to figure out combo armor types.
Like, plogryn could be both unyielding and infested.
Cspawn could be unyielding and flak.
spare talon
This sounds like incandescent, unless you're referring to dragonfly/firefly.
Incan is much more weighted on getting multikills to get 1 guy scorched enough for an ignition, or for free solar debuff
The thing I'm talking about is a raw damage explosion that just multiplies it's damage from target to target as it calculates who got hit by that explosion
north sedge
They do have multi armor units
grizzled aspen
Not the way I'm referring to.
grizzled aspen
Just because certain parts of the body register as something else doesn't mean it's a multi armor type enemy.
obsidian prairie
They do have multi armor units
Simultaneous armor type instead of locational
grizzled aspen
When I say multi armor, I mean hitting a spot counts for both armor types.
hollow dove
whenever i play a crit dclaw build I just don't get much total dmg D: weapon nerfed?
obsidian prairie
All parts are both Unyielding/Infested as an example
grizzled aspen
Like, instead of a reaper's chest counting as just flak, it could count as flak and unyielding.
spare talon
They do have multi armor units
But they still are under a specific label due to what most/their most important part is
Maulers are considered flak
obsidian prairie
Maulers are actually really smart
spare talon
DOTs damage assuming it's flak
obsidian prairie
They know all rejects aim for the head and wear a nice helmet
grizzled aspen
But like, everyone sees them as cara due to their helmet.
spare talon
Yeah
grizzled aspen
Anywho, I wish fatshark could figure out simultaneous armor types.
spare talon
But that doesn't change that they are categorized internally ad flak
grizzled aspen
Would make building your character's weapons a lot more fun.
Mutants being unyielding maniacs...
spare talon
It'd spark more arguments
obsidian prairie
But I do thing multi type armor would be cool
obsidian prairie
Make specific weapons preform better against certain bosses
grizzled aspen
That was... not pleasant.
obsidian prairie
Also dual type for basically all specials
All classed as maniac plus their visible armor
grizzled aspen
They would mostly boil down to maniac and flak.
Dogs, I'd say, would stay as infested.
obsidian prairie
Unarmored for trapper+tox flamer and bomber
obsidian prairie
Scab dogs
Would be neat honestly
Could function like VT assasins where they deal HP damage
grizzled aspen
Instead of a pox hound they could be like cyber mastiffs.
Like the dog you get in necromunda hired gun.
obsidian prairie
Or just better taken care of attack dogs with some armor
grizzled aspen
That's kind of what a cyber mastiff is.
obsidian prairie
Yeah but those aren't super disposable
Also would be the only augmented enemy unless you count the tanks on dreg ragers
and the occasional eye
hollow dove
Did dclaw get nerfed? I get low total dmg dealt when running dclaw
obsidian prairie
Send your weapon
hollow dove
north sedge
Nothing has changed about dclaw
ornate bone
Colliam
fleet zealot
no rampage, and i think mk1 is the worst variant tho i could be wrong
the onyl change to dclaw recently is that it can't proc invocation more than once a swing
rocky marsh
i think you would want rampage
coarse birch
How does one become a Peeking Cat Gif enthusiast
i think youve asked this before
hushed knoll
Can you elaborate 
ornate bone
I think I sent the peeking cat GIF like 3 times in response to the same question
hushed knoll
ornate bone
hushed knoll
coarse birch
Can you elaborate <:sus:940717155886973040>
No not really
ornate bone
Yoshi is Josho pronounced in Spanish
indigo kiln
What's a good setup for leveling?
summer moth
word ty king
hollow dove
i think you would want rampage
rampage savage sweep?
hollow dove
whats da best axe folks
rashad
rocky marsh
rampage savage sweep?
yeah, but all the regulars are here anyway
im just average player
coarse birch
Yoshi you’re breaking my heart
Apologies stan
hollow dove
i haven't played since a while, the crit redux talent getting nerfed sure did change some stuff
previously you'd run shred dclaw
coarse birch
I'd probably advise it still
hollow dove
i just had a few people telling me no 🥲
coarse birch
Dclaw crits are very good
fleet zealot
lol you can still go rampage shred
is it as good as chsword at crit, prob not anymore
spare talon
Did dclaw get nerfed? I get low total dmg dealt when running dclaw
If you aren't running a piety+high crit build, that'll do it
That with shred and the power bonus from rampage will give you all the cleave you realistically need, so you can swap sweep out for rampage
It didn't get nerfed directly, but it did indirectly due to the crit cdr change
But that doesn't change its actual damage output from general use
But yeah
Use a piety build if you aren't (scourge, enduring faith, duellist, invocation)
And swap sweep for rampage
spare talon
i just had a few people telling me no 🥲
Almost any weapon with the finesse stat can work well with piety cuz the crits are enough of a difference that you'll dramatically increase your damage output with weapons like those
I think the only one that youre better off running a different keystone is Rashad cuz it's finesse is good, but not enough to justify it vs damage bonuses to boost its high raw damage
nimble fiber
misty nova
What's a good setup for leveling?
Pick Second Wind
????
Profit
ornate bone
Personal problem
storm elm
So uh
I switched Master-Crafted Shroudfield out for Perfectionist and popped a Combat stim before going invis right before the clip starts
There's no way aaaall that damage was just me, right??
ornate bone
Skill skissue
spare talon
Pick Second Wind
????
Profit
True
ornate bone
Homie just done did a crit headshot
rocky marsh
quick question, whats the buff inbetween the piety buff icons?
coarse birch
Rare arco being wrong?
spare talon
quick question, whats the buff inbetween the piety buff icons?
Enduring faith
rocky marsh
Enduring faith
ah thanks duide
spare dome
crit tdr
misty nova
So uh
I switched Master-Crafted Shroudfield out for Perfectionist and popped a...
Backstab, finesse damage, Crit, knife sounds like all you
rocky marsh
i should probably hide it
misty nova
You see, after that hit you gained one stack of Uncanny, which means you hit their head
With a finesse weapon
With a finesse bonus
misty nova
Old Perfectionist would 1 shot it 
storm elm
I may never switch off of Knife Zealot ngl
spare talon
You could also have procced duellist which will have also one shot it if you did
storm elm
I do indeed have Duellist
spare dome
the answer is no though
you dont have a mod hiding your buffs
and none of them are up
spare talon
I do indeed have Duellist
You didn't have it active tho
hollow dove
I run duelist on everything regardless of weapon or blitz
spare dome
it was probably one of the ogryns but its hard to tell what theyre swinging exactly
spare talon
This is the 6s pathing but with duellist procced
I don't remember if this was a hs or not
storm elm
One of them said "Axe :)"
spare talon
it was probably one of the ogryns but its hard to tell what theyre swinging exac...
Also have the heavy attack aura
10%
spare dome
yeah sorry but there's really no way it's vtel lol
if he had the rending stacks beforehand, i could believe it
but he has basically a naked knife when he swings
it's the ogryn pickaxe
fleet zealot
This is the 6s pathing but with duellist procced
I don't remember if this was a ...
dude had to process he just got killed
spare dome
he had that shit thrusted up
misty nova
Also backstab bonus with a weapon with backstab bonus 
spare talon
dude had to process he just got killed
I left him at 1 and the 2 stacks of scourge bleed killed him
fleet zealot
ornate bone
He was dialing God to see if he could come
fleet zealot
completely offtopic as usual
ornate bone
Yeah, the team making the effort of watching a guy nuking the boss
fleet zealot
but my friends been getting into tiny tina wonderlands
hollow dove
I may never switch off of Knife Zealot ngl
What do you run on knife?
fleet zealot
and i'm so glad that game has optional level scaling, so my maxed out character can play with them
hollow dove
there's a lot of different things people run on it
ornate bone
That game with the trailer that plays Babymetal's Megitsune
fleet zealot
uncanny+ 1 or riposte+plus 1 blazing piety crit maxxing build
ornate bone
Mewset
storm elm
What do you run on knife?
hard nexus
idt you really need riposte on knife
depends on the build
hollow dove
mk4 knife tho?
spare talon
mk4 knife tho?
THIS GUY CANT READ ROMAN NUMERALS
POINT AND LAUGH
spare talon
That's a mk6 lmao
storm elm
Full build
spare talon
I love the mk6 on zealot
hollow dove
I've never used the mk6 but it has those weird heavys right
storm elm
And my gray nodes are all just toughness stuff and movement speed with 10% extra melee damage
spare talon
Trades a bit of the damage for much more fleshed out moveset
spare talon
And with how much damage you can stack from crits, it's not as much of a loss in damage as you think
Makes it more useful in more situations
fleet zealot
Full build
i'd take toughness on dodge over the stealth toughness node
hollow dove
yeah fr toughness on dodge saves lifes
fleet zealot
stealth toughness is like alright in any other class tree
but on zealot tree
you already getting DR
and you alrady have great gen options
spare talon
i'd take toughness on dodge over the stealth toughness node
I do still take it on my build cuz while I do have enduring faith and second wind
I am running all stam curios
I need to squeeze as much ways to stay topped off as possible
Plus with it being over time
It can both save you from chip damage multiple times in the same proc
fleet zealot
spare talon
And help you stay above 0 toughness in a bad situation, and @fleet zealot you know how valuable that is with ewew
storm elm
i'd take toughness on dodge over the stealth toughness node
Second Wind? I've completed the Inexorable Judgement penance so I can remove the Keystone and its modifier for Second Wind and Blood Redemption
Unrelated question, what is a "Ranged Backstab Attack"?
Is it a Backstab on a Ranged enemy or is it like a running Backstab?
spare talon
Is it a Backstab on a Ranged enemy or is it like a running Backstab?
Shooting an enemy with their back turned
Just like hitting someone with a melee with their back turned
spare talon
Finger yummy
fleet zealot
Finger yummy
monch
gray ice
Did it get put in time-out
ornate bone
I hear mk6 knife
fleet zealot
Did it get put in time-out
ornate bone
If the headshots were less ass on the heavies I'd use it
fleet zealot
I LOVE FERRETS
gray ice
The face of a bandit
gray ice
Never to be found again
ornate bone
I find sweep heavies kind of pointless because I just spam lights on multiple stuff
fleet zealot
i love ferrets stashing abnormal things
ornate bone
BUT
fleet zealot
like it starts basic, little plush animals and maybe some food for a snack later, then it's keys and wallets, then it evolves into brooms and headsets and cooking pans
ornate bone
Can the mk6 heavies do a funny like dealing significant damage to a second target on a headshot?
storm elm
Shooting an enemy with their back turned
I was going to say "That's dumb," but I suppose they can't exactly call it "Ranged Backshots"
gray ice
I was going to say "That's dumb," but I suppose they can't exactly call it "Rang...
No I insist
ornate bone
Backstab is an understandable term
gray ice
Let's start a petition
ornate bone
Like when we talk headshots and bodyshots in melee
storm elm
What is shooting someone with a bullet if not just stabbing someone at very high velocity
ornate bone
Honestly quite true and real and demonstrable bestie
gray ice
I'd argue it's closer to puncturing
ornate bone
Silence
gray ice
fleet zealot
buoyant pewter
Should I go for unyielding with my extra 2, or melee attack speed and 10% health at the bottom middle? Running knife and zarona
nimble fiber
buoyant pewter
Sick
spare talon
Should I go for unyielding with my extra 2, or melee attack speed and 10% health...
I'm personally biased against that unyielding one cuz majority of the time I'd rather have a node that works against everything
buoyant pewter
I'm personally biased against that unyielding one cuz majority of the time I'd r...
Yeah I can see that
spare talon
If you want it by all means, take it cuz you're dealing good damage to bosses already, but that's all the node will do for you realistically
rocky marsh
if ur running blazing piety no, u dont
without scourge being active your crit rate is 45%
buoyant pewter
Right
I mean Tbf a pretty cheap 10% health node is hard to pass up
Comes with attack speed right above it too
spare talon
Right
So beyond my bias
My 2 recommendations would be the atk speed for offense, or until death and holy rev for survival
buoyant pewter
So beyond my bias
My 2 recommendations would be the atk speed for offense, or un...
Honestly I might do until death and holy revenant but sometimes it makes me feel like I’m bad
Lol
spare talon
Honestly I might do until death and holy revenant but sometimes it makes me feel...
I don't go without it
Shit will always happen no matter how good you are
buoyant pewter
I don't go without it
Really? That makes me feel a lil better
rocky marsh
Should I go for unyielding with my extra 2, or melee attack speed and 10% health...
attack speed and good balance (or annoint) 
fleet zealot
Should I go for unyielding with my extra 2, or melee attack speed and 10% health...
get sustained assault imo
buoyant pewter
attack speed and good balance (or annoint) <:pepepray:1045085733771292812>
Good balance is nice
spare talon
get sustained assault imo
That's 3 points, he has 2
rocky marsh
Good balance is nice
good balance + the crit TDR means you have huge TDR
buoyant pewter
That's 3 points, he has 2
Well it would only be one if I didn’t take UD and HR
That being said
rocky marsh
i wpould say test if annoint changes your BPs
buoyant pewter
I might just take UD and HR
buoyant pewter
i wpould say test if annoint changes your BPs
Probably first yeah
spare talon
Well it would only be one if I didn’t take UD and HR
Oh wait you had 3 points from the start not 2?
rocky marsh
Well it would only be one if I didn’t take UD and HR
you don't need the 2nd life perks trust.
buoyant pewter
Oh wait you had 3 points from the start not 2?
No, 2, but sustained assault is directly under an already spent point
rocky marsh
spare talon
No, 2, but sustained assault is directly under an already spent point
Oh I'm dumb
spare talon
Yeah you're right
I was like "dang this looks really familiar"
rocky marsh
you don't need the 2nd life perks trust.
zealot build crafting really opened up for me after i stopped taking 2nd life on non wound builds
buoyant pewter
I mean tbh I just think UD and HR would help with clutch potential tbh
I solo queue
spare talon
The difference is that I don't take holy rev and the final piety node in exchange for the atk speed and SA
spare talon
I wouldn't recommend it
rocky marsh
I mean tbh I just think UD and HR would help with clutch potential tbh
i justa feel like if you are cornered in a mixed horde you would die anyway.
so the only times it would help you out is that you are somewhat low and something stray hits you.
I don't find that to be worth 2-4 points and i rather spend those points in something that is consistent and makes my game more fun
spare talon
I do it cuz I'm literally a whirling ball of untouchable damage
buoyant pewter
Hmmmm fair
spare talon
The idea is I'm not getting hit to begin with
buoyant pewter
The idea is I'm not getting hit to begin with
That’s the dream huh
rocky marsh
The idea is I'm not getting hit to begin with
oh ya cole
buoyant pewter
The difference is that I don't take holy rev and the final piety node in exchang...
I’m gonna try running this
rocky marsh
i see, do you know the final TDR % with both?
spare talon
I’m gonna try running this
Just be prepared to die in the dumbest ways cuz you're riding with 1 hp after a fuckup
rocky marsh
Can you random crit with throwing knife?
spare talon
Yes
spare talon
i see, do you know the final TDR % with both?
Idr off the top of my head
hollow dove
shock maul laspistol blazing piety chastise build has been going so hard for me
maul is goated
fleet zealot
Should be simple it is calculated from biggest to smallest tdr iirc
Start with the 50%
visual stream
Who tf thought onions on a buffalo chicken pizza should be the default at Domino's
south folio
the onion lover association
visual stream
I fucking hate the onion lover association
south folio
die
visual stream
Poisoning my food
ornate bone
more like dumbass association
visual stream
Onions are good cooked with something or in stew or grilled
Onions exist solely to be an Outback Steakhouse appetizer
south folio
cooked onions are pretty universally good to me
the only great sin to me are raw onions
ornate bone
"lol" - said the shotgunner - "lmao"
visual stream
the only great sin to me are raw onions
My least favorite
Sitting here like a chimpanzee picking lice out of his buddy's head because someone with a weird mouth was in a position of power
north sedge
All onions are good
visual stream
AOAB
south folio
@nimble fiber die
nimble fiber
no u mr goose mc goosington
north sedge
you've invoked a terrible memory for me and dough
AINL
south folio
what a rude nickname you've given me
nimble fiber
so uh
south folio
the core of the joke is that stan accidentally called me latino
south folio
and i ran with calling myself latino because of this
and stan got fed up and decided to say that i was not a latino
"arco is not latino"
which he abbreviated to AINL
and guess how one might pronounce "AINL"
visual stream
LMFAO
south folio
what is your first thought
nimble fiber
so sad that arco isn't a latino
south folio
die
north sedge
He also fucked it up all by himself numerous times
south folio
what a horrifying gif
visual stream
Taking to the quarantine showers for decontamination
visual stream
better pull up your sleeves and pull them out of the god damn trenches
I had much training as a slightly pickier child, worry not
I might as well crush it up into a bowl and fish it out like that
south folio
my ability to use chopsticks is solely carried by my experience of picking out food that i do not like
since the rest of my family likes chicken and i absolutely dislike it
nimble fiber
I hope arcos toothbrush falls into the toilet
visual stream
Wait new tech dropped
nimble fiber
what
south folio
that shit is staying in my room where it belongs
south folio
i just think that keeping your toothbrush in the bathroom is icky
nimble fiber
but what if
south folio
preferably i'd just keep it in a table outside of the bathroom but i keep it in my room most of the time
nimble fiber
it is in a closed cabinet
south folio
true
royal vortex
my toothbrush is kept where my enemies will never reach
south folio
i forget about it cuz it's already cluttered with stuff and i forget about it
visual stream
Take your bacteria like a man
south folio
my toothbrush is kept where my enemies will never reach
so not up your bum
royal vortex
what da hell
nimble fiber
I wanna eat crab at some point
visual stream
I wanna eat crab at some point
What did he do to you
nimble fiber
he?
visual stream
playtester racism
visual stream
Have you never had it?
nimble fiber
always imagined it would taste pretty good
nimble fiber
AUGH
there has to be a timeline where arco is a latino and is named arco de arco arco
nimble fiber
the perfect timeline
ornate bone
This is me when someone uses smite within 5 seconds of joining
buoyant pewter
Just be prepared to die in the dumbest ways cuz you're riding with 1 hp after a ...
That is so fucked lol
buoyant pewter
Insane that I rolled a good thunder hammer before I rolled a good zarona
spare talon
oh a discord person named crab
Crab was the og dclaw addict
ornate bone
I have vague memories of people saying carapace doesn't have breakpoints with it 
coarse birch
crab was a based dclaw 7 enjoyer
royal vortex
devil claw 8
spare talon
If dclaw 4 and 7 are so good
Where's dclaw 5 and 8
coarse birch
they will come sometime between now and 2027
ornate bone
buoyant pewter
Hadron just needs the 3 holy numbers on the back of your credit card!
For the emperor and allat
nimble fiber
Crab was the og dclaw addict
obsidian prairie
Just had a game where an ogryn did most of his melee with his fucking Rumbler
visual stream
Insane that I rolled a good thunder hammer before I rolled a good zarona
Still a potential 3/4 only, what was the purp?
placid fiber
The packs of like 8 crushers were real this match... what annoys me the most is I took 2 overheads from crushers that match, during the chaos... >.<'
That tells me I'm still quite rusty x.x
At least I didn't go down :\
zinc talon
zinc talon
Yep lifes tough for a kitten out in these streets
drowsy steppe
zinc talon
Can barely get from the carrier up the leg to the lap before energy reserves rub out
ornate bone
shartwave
spare talon
Give him an entire fish
fleet zealot
Just had a game where an ogryn did most of his melee with his fucking Rumbler
I did that during launch month
Back when ranged melees proc’d the bleed feat for ogryn
obsidian prairie
Hows this for a rashad
fleet zealot
Looks aight
Id sub the node below ewew for backstab cdr tho
Rashad can PA some enemies around
versed sinew
what is best on the new club? I currently have hammerblow and skullcrusher, the latter being locked
fleet zealot
what is best on the new club? I currently have hammerblow and skullcrusher, the ...
Any combination of lightning reflexes, high voltage, and skullcrusher
versed sinew
is hammerblow any good? it sounds good on paper
fleet zealot
I prefer LR+either because LR lets you take on dreg rager packs with no issue
fleet zealot
is hammerblow any good? it sounds good on paper
No
versed sinew
fair, didnt seem like it was doing a whole lot for me
fleet zealot
It’s only taken on crusher because crusher only has one damage blessing so hammerblow is the least shit stagger blessing
fleet zealot
Why do you keep changing thy name?
Stan
versed sinew
Ah I see, bonus for blocking
Well, I am still of the ogryn mindset
fleet zealot
versed sinew
but ill give it a shot
fleet zealot
High voltage is also a bit misleading it isn’t just special action that makes enemies “shocked”
acoustic dune
High voltage is also a bit misleading it isn’t just special action that makes en...
I believe in shock therapy
Good special on the weapon
fleet zealot
Shock is a multi tier debuff, and the first tier is just it being on the target, the special applies it at the tier that applies the dot effect
But any of your swings that make a buzz noise and light up, will give enemies basic shock debuff
versed sinew
oh yeah ive seen that, its a lot of fun
actually made me set aside the heavy sword
obsidian prairie
Id sub the node below ewew for backstab cdr tho
Decided to drop it for Anoint in Blood
Boosts my boss dps
fleet zealot
Honestly dont know havent bothered testing it
But its a low value dot anywyas so it barely matters
The dot is just icing for the point and click stun on special
acoustic dune
Love the special
Anyhow Where's the ferret post
I need my hourly ferret for my addiction
fleet zealot
acoustic dune
YEAHH
acoustic dune
Make me think of zootopia
acoustic dune
Ey same build
spice flame
Penetration stat tho
acoustic dune
But I am no expert
acoustic dune
Penetration stat tho
So?
obsidian prairie
Penetration stat tho
That pen doesn’t matter if you crit
Funny thing about rending
fleet zealot
Low pen hurts
fleet zealot
That pen doesn’t matter if you crit
Zealot can’t guarantee crits with agri revolver
We ain’t vets
median steeple
Not anymore
obsidian prairie
Damn
acoustic dune
We ain’t vets
I find it neat
spice flame
I shouldn't have bought it then if it's bad
obsidian prairie
You can still hit like 55% (on your last round)
fleet zealot
Vets can abuse crucian and weapon specialist to basically always get a crit
Just swap crucian for pointblank
faint yoke
Zealot can’t guarantee crits with agri revolver
Shroudfield guarantees two crit shots, assuming you immediately shoot after popping Shroudfield, and you have some play with the second crit shot.
fleet zealot
Pointblank was fixed and is just better
fleet zealot
Shroudfield guarantees two crit shots, assuming you immediately shoot after popp...
If you shroud weave with agri revolver you need to be shoved into a dreg’s locker
I’m not joking you cursed me now i will see it next time i play darktide
obsidian prairie
I need to actually get an agri revolver for my vet now that I have a Rashad
fleet zealot
(I am joking btw)
obsidian prairie
I should also get a better Rashad because 68% single target hurts
spice flame
But what do I change on this?
fleet zealot
But what do I change on this?
Crucian to point blank
Check perks in meat grinder, test for common BPs
(Point blank procs from your melee kills now yipee
faint yoke
If you shroud weave with agri revolver you need to be shoved into a dreg’s locke...
Wanna know a truth, a revolver plus handcannon plus emperors executioner plus 25% carapace damage can yield crusher one taps with the throwing knife when you pop shroudfield
acoustic dune
If you shroud weave with agri revolver you need to be shoved into a dreg’s locke...
Sad that shroud doesn't work with range other back shot
Backshot
faint yoke
Swear on the emperor's name, try it out
fleet zealot
No
acoustic dune
I have 2 revolver with the same blessing
Iz pretty nice
But can take up like 4 crusher headshot doh
faint yoke
Alternatively, the same results can happen if you run Duelist on zealot. Just gotta use surgical and handcannon plus the otther tidbits i mentioned before.
acoustic dune
Mmh god I wanna make a boltpistol into a carapace nightmare
Kinda neat to that you quick draw the polster
versed sinew
Any combination of lightning reflexes, high voltage, and skullcrusher
LR is kinda hard to use imo. What does high voltage do, I dont have that one
acoustic dune
LR is kinda hard to use imo. What does high voltage do, I dont have that one
Shock therapy?
Or if I remener ain't it the one activate every 3 second the special property of the weapon
fleet zealot
LR is kinda hard to use imo. What does high voltage do, I dont have that one
High voltage increases damage to shocked targets, any swings that your mace has shock vfx applies the shock debuff
spare talon
LR is kinda hard to use imo. What does high voltage do, I dont have that one
no it isnt lol
versed sinew
oh shit
spare talon
it is best in slot
fleet zealot
LR is much easier to use in real game, mostly a backup for rager packs or just for standard in melee blocks you’ll get free power
spare talon
oh im dumb i was mixing the two up
versed sinew
for some reason I took the blessing to mean that blocking caused the buff?
spare talon
but high voltage is what thats showcasing
LR is just good to have to basically pause the game when youre overwhelmed
versed sinew
yeah, i can hit stuff, high voltage sounds good
fleet zealot
for some reason I took the blessing to mean that blocking caused the buff?
Timed block iirc it’s the first second of you holding block
spare talon
it has 0 cooldown and you can just spam block and whoops that entire rager pack is now on an AOL connection
fleet zealot
It can proc multiple times and you can refresh it for free by just cancel and reblocking
It also had like 3 names
So that is confusing which one is it now
Perfect timing, entropic or lightning reflexes
spare talon
Perfect timing, entropic or lightning reflexes
yeah this is why i got confused by it for no reason
i was thinking he was saying HV was hard to use at first lmao
fleet zealot
I mean LR isn’t hard to use either
I dare say skullcrusher is a tad overhyped on saul
spare talon
yeah
i just recommend skull if youre literally never using LR to begin with
calm salmon
didn't skullcrusher get changed anyway?
fleet zealot
Since it doesn’t have great stagger values, stun not counting as staggered, so you never hit that big numbers crusher can
spare talon
cuz if you arent using it, its wasting space on your weapon
fleet zealot
Scrusher hasn’t been changed for a while
calm salmon
didn't skullcrusher get changed anyway?
pretty sure it used to be an 8 second debuff applied to enemies, and now its just "Extra damage while they're currently staggered"
I might be mistaken though
fleet zealot
Meanwhile crusher always goes a stagger blessing cause it has no other options and it also has way more stagger as well as a stagger everything switch
south folio
it's always been this way for as far as i remember
true condor
Change something or wait for update?
spare talon
pretty sure it used to be an 8 second debuff applied to enemies, and now its jus...
afaik people just finally realized how it worked
true condor
Yeah got it from mission.
ripe quest
pretty sure it used to be an 8 second debuff applied to enemies, and now its jus...
Skullcrusher is a debuff that's applied to enemies, while the debuff is active and the enemy is currently staggered you get the damage bonus.
Been this way for a long long while now.
fleet zealot
Change something or wait for update?
Changed both blessings, man stopper scattershot
calm salmon
seems to still be brauto meta
which makes sense. Well rounded weapon useable at all ranges
fleet zealot
is the super shotgun any good
It’s great on commando veteran since they can guarantee crit with weapon specialist and the keystone will reload for them
Zealot, it’s alright, def not bad
calm salmon
and yet still not as good as plasma gun so meh
wraith cipher
lul
fleet zealot
But better options exist
fleet zealot
and yet still not as good as plasma gun so meh
Well yes if you compare everyone to bezos, we all filthy poors
calm salmon
I bet a super shotty+rashad build on vet is pretty fun though
fleet zealot
It is, you go manstopper flechette
fleet zealot
And just melt everything mauler and below
fleet zealot
Honestly as the resident chaxe simp
calm salmon
"built" out a branx and just solidified my hatred of darktide
fleet zealot
2h chaxe i can barely imagine
calm salmon
rolled 4 duds in a row on the stupid thing
fleet zealot
Since our 1handed chaxe is just so clunky as is
spare talon
an echaxerator
fleet zealot
At least mk4 is, mk12 is smoother
wraith cipher
the new pick axes is what the thammers want to be lol
calm salmon
uh
wraith cipher
really?
buoyant pewter
Still a potential 3/4 only, what was the purp?
Idk I’m not there yet. Someone told me headtaker or Skullcrusher with thrust, and carapace + I think it was flak or unyielding
calm salmon
Using the branx without throwing away HP is genuinely hard
wraith cipher
branx loop is really to use
dark gulch
what would be good to swap headhunter with on this. i mostly use it to just spam, not focusing fire or aiming for headshots.
wraith cipher
im also full on skullbreaker
visual stream
Idk I’m not there yet. Someone told me headtaker or Skullcrusher with thrust, an...
Carapace is a hard no for hammers unless you're reaching the very niche crusher martyrdom one shot, and even that's only possible on crucis thunder hammer
wraith cipher
like full left tree
calm salmon
Thammer on the other hand is just "Spam heavy attacks and its dodging to protect HP"
wraith cipher
so it might be why i see it go bonkers
fleet zealot
what would be good to swap headhunter with on this. i mostly use it to just spam...
Not dropping headhunter
Also swapping crit chance perk for 25% damage to an armor
buoyant pewter
Carapace is a hard no for hammers unless you're reaching the very niche crusher ...
Ahhhhh okay well then I’ll see abt when I hit purple
Worst case scenario like I don’t really care all that much abt breakpoints
I can work with “good enough”
fleet zealot
Swap crit chance for flak or maniac
visual stream
But yeah headtaker or slaughterer, then thrust for sure. I personally do flak elites but flak unyielding works fine
calm salmon
so it might be why i see it go bonkers
Yeah I'm not refuting the kill power of the pickaxes.
I'm just pointing out that they're genuinely hard to use at peak efficiency because they force "new" mechanics into your gameplay, like blocking in between attacks instead of just dodging because the attack windups are all so long
fleet zealot
Sadly the whole game revolves around BPs except for the fastest weapons
wraith cipher
i crutch push attack a lot lolol
calm salmon
anything that goes full auto ignores BPs, which is nice.
Flak/Maniac to speed up ttk
Doesn't really matter if you're 3 shots less per kill
spare talon
Sadly the whole game revolves around BPs except for the fastest weapons
this is why i run dclaw and knife
no think
only swing
ember yew
ornate bone
The unthinking man's tool
acoustic dune
Or is bolt pistol just trash
They need make it that it destroy your wrist
Like a overheat
buoyant pewter
Sadly the whole game revolves around BPs except for the fastest weapons
I mean, sure, right, but I don’t mind putting in the extra effort for something that doesn’t kill as fast as physically possible
If I did, I’d probably just wait for the update.
Trying to get perfect everything is a metric pain in the ass
spare talon
Like a overheat
a percentage that drops from 100% to 0% which represents your bone marrow integrity
once its at 0 you just cant attack anymore
for the rest of the game
ornate bone
Okay so, one of the things about bolt pistol
When you RMB, the gun follows a small sway pattern that wiggles from side to side
acoustic dune
a percentage that drops from 100% to 0% which represents your bone marrow integr...
That's harsh make it that you can't use your skill
spare talon
That's harsh make it that you can't use your skill
no
die
ornate bone
The gun actually follows that sway on the background and points to a specific direction in that pattern when you ADS
spare talon
suffer
surreal shore
I think my biggest problem with bolt pistol is its wobbly ADS
ornate bone
Which is why the ADS is fucky when you aim it
ornate bone
It literally aims out of the center when you ADS
surreal shore
But you didn't
acoustic dune
It literally aims out of the center when you ADS
You guys ADS?
ornate bone
The position out of the center is dictated by the invisible sway loop that's always running on the background
Which, naturally, is a shit expectation to have of the player, ergo the gun is buggy-wuggy
surreal shore
Which, naturally, is a shit expectation to have of the player, ergo the gun is b...
Oh I always knew
This guns ADS
Is fucked
And people called me crazy !
Fix it please fatshark
acoustic dune
How far do you aim that you need to ADS
modern lintel
I think my biggest problem with bolt pistol is its wobbly ADS
Veteran moment
surreal shore
How far do you aim that you need to **ADS**
Pretty far I Mean the gun got surgical as blessing
For a reason
acoustic dune
Fix it please fatshark
One at a time I want the nice mommy Hangron first
So the blessing ain't wack
modern lintel
Love bolt pistol but only for vets as your near guaranteed crits any time you ads and it solves some of the sway and suppression issues
spare talon
I think my biggest problem with bolt pistol is its wobbly ADS
this is my biggest rpoblem with the boltpistol
acoustic dune
Love bolt pistol but only for vets as your near guaranteed crits any time you ad...
I find it good for crowd control
surreal shore
this is my biggest rpoblem with the boltpistol
Wait wtf
modern lintel
GUH
calm salmon
this is my biggest rpoblem with the boltpistol
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing
all I see is 2 hits and a whiff from bad aim
dogs don't react to being shot like other enemies do
acoustic dune
this is my biggest rpoblem with the boltpistol
Da dog did the same thing to me too when u SHOVE IT
frosty herald
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing
Dog isnt being staggered
surreal shore
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing
At that range it need to do aoe damage
modern lintel
I find it good for crowd control
calm salmon
Dog isnt being staggered
that is normal yes
spare talon
first shot hits the head
second shot hits the body
third shot doesnt even register as a hit but still has impact/blood visuals meaning it should have hit
modern lintel
Now i know where all the ammos going
spare talon
none of them cause any sort of stagger
calm salmon
Again, that is normal yes
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/guh-cat-ginger-funny-sus-gif-6405117707593675955
Blessing with bigger explosion
calm salmon
As someone with nearly 1500 hours on ogryn
you know, the guns with the highest stagger values in the game
I can tell you right now dogs do not react to stagger like every other enemy in the game
acoustic dune
you know, the *guns with the highest stagger values in the game*
Da slap?
median steeple
when the abhuman super freak and the guns made for demi gods cant stun an angry dog
surreal shore
Again, that is normal yes
No its not boltgun would had staggered it at that range due to its aoe explosion effect
modern lintel
Blessing with bigger explosion
If it would proc puncture i could see a case but other wise just go flamer and be able to actually kill the crowd
spare talon
here is also the impact vfx and blood from the third hit that didnt actually count as a hit because hit reg is cool as fuck!
surreal shore
And bolt pistol meant to have the same aoe effect as boltgun
But clearly it doesn't
frosty herald
Shits broken
acoustic dune
If it would proc puncture i could see a case but other wise just go flamer and b...
I can quick draw with da poster unlike da flammenwerffer
surreal shore
Shits broken
Who playtested this shit honestly how was this released like this
frosty herald
Its a server issue
acoustic dune
And bolt pistol meant to have the same aoe effect as boltgun
Didn't they the bolt gun to explode everytime
modern lintel
Also does zewlot stealth give suppression the same way vets does
spare talon
Shits broken
like id assume that getting a headshot at explosive arming distance on a dog would at least do SOMETHING
ANYTHING
modern lintel
like id assume that getting a headshot at explosive arming distance on a dog wou...
Infested moment
frosty herald
Sm2 please have proper server connection and a stable game
spare talon
in my experience, dogs get staggered from revolver shots to the body
acoustic dune
like id assume that getting a headshot at explosive arming distance on a dog wou...
It got dat dog in him sometime
surreal shore
Dogs can easily get staggered dude
spare talon
but a pistol that fires explosive rocket bullets
apparently not
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/praying-pray-snoop-dogg-begging-please-gif-12502205
Snoop dog in darktide when
frosty herald
If i fire a multimelta in space marine 2 and that shit dont do anything im tweaking hard
acoustic dune
What would snoop da dog play if he play darktide
ornate bone
Bolter weaponry when they hit a bundle of worms (the worms eat the rocket)
frosty herald
What would snoop da dog play if he play darktide
Gas modifier
ornate bone
Danktide
acoustic dune
Gas modifier
As in class
