#zealot-class

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royal vortex
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where we spawn a bunch of melee enemies that get turned off by shooting a gun at them

delicate shadow
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like every horde should come with 3 flamers, 2 reapers and 10 bulwarks y'know and like half the poxwalkers should actually be ragers

south folio
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they really ought to fine tune the spawn compositions

delicate shadow
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(don't actually do this)

coarse birch
south folio
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(10 bulwarks)

coarse birch
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make the bulwarks frontline

royal vortex
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one of the worst things about difficulty rn is that when the game does drop bad shit on you

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it's like 20 of the same type of guy

coarse birch
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so that you cant fight the other shit

south folio
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how about 1 trapper and 10 bulwarks

royal vortex
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bar once-par-match moshpits

delicate shadow
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new difficulty modifier where each hallway is cutoff by a bulwark phalanx

south folio
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bombers throwing grenades over their heads

royal vortex
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the game's combat is so cool when u are dealing with every threat type at the same time

coarse birch
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yeah i would be nice of rager packs were like 5 ragers

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and other stuff

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not lol 20 ragers

royal vortex
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every now and then u get moments where ur caught out of position and utter chaos is unfolding and doing literally anything wrong is instant death unless ur an ogryn

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and it is so cool to survive that

delicate shadow
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yea like crushers mixed with maulers some ragers and specials can actually be fun

royal vortex
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and then you're farming fucking flamer kills because they spawned 3 of them in the same hallway and they're all shoulder to shoulder and its like

delicate shadow
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but game tends to more often than not just go "lol you get 16 crushers and nothing else"

royal vortex
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why did u even spawn this

coarse birch
royal vortex
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because im just doing this anyways

delicate shadow
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hsword is so dumb

coarse birch
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yeah hsword is truly one of those weapons

delicate shadow
coarse birch
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where i do not care what happens

royal vortex
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the hs7 has the makings of a cool weapon

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the other 2 can rot in hell

coarse birch
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shotgunners as an enemy are like

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throw as many as i you want

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idc

sharp zodiac
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Much better

delicate shadow
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remember on launch when shotgunners were an insta dead?

royal vortex
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i want the 7 to stay as it is purpose wise and then make the 6 more focused on unyielding so u can duel the monster with le curved sword

royal vortex
coarse birch
royal vortex
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i have had so many scenarios

coarse birch
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2 shotgunners

royal vortex
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where all a shotgunner does

coarse birch
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fear

royal vortex
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is push me

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and take my toughness

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only for me to regen it

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i want them to instakill me

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if i get hit once its over. just make me feel SOMETHING

coarse birch
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tbf the 40 packs might be cringe with that but also

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i think we should move more towards individual threats

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in smaller groups

royal vortex
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shotgunners/stalkers need to be more stealth-y flank type enemies

coarse birch
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rather than maybe a threat in groups of 30

royal vortex
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imagine the world where you can tell the difference between a shooter and a stalker organically

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instead of when p12 and before vets malded about counterfire not applying to them

coarse birch
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that shit was so dumb

delicate shadow
royal vortex
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lmao

coarse birch
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like sorry you cant be invincible 99% of the time

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only 98%

delicate shadow
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game needs mixed threats in lower volumes

coarse birch
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yeah

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it looks really cool on the outside when you see someone deal with 900 threats

delicate shadow
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and to adjust enemy behaviour to be more than just "uhhhh I'm gonna overhead" or "uhhh I'm a rager I only do 1 thing at any given time"

coarse birch
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then you realize its cause they can kill them all easily

sharp zodiac
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These cheap bastards need to buy my Rivens NOW

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delicate shadow
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yeah like oh bro nice 30 rager kills and then you realise...oh it's hsword 6

sharp zodiac
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I don't care if your grandma is in a coma BUY MY RIVENS

delicate shadow
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so they basically just headbutt the keyboard and win

royal vortex
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the hs7's scoop at least requires aggressively jiggling your mouse to work properly (sometimes)

coarse birch
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yeah there are a few weapons that really bug me

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hsword being one

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caxe being another

delicate shadow
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brutal momentum

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is one of the dumbest thing in any game

coarse birch
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i thought BM sounded so cool at first

royal vortex
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i can't use the hs9 after getting used to the 7

delicate shadow
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why that exists is beyond me

royal vortex
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it makes me feel gross

coarse birch
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and then i saw what it did

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and i was like bruh

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the only benefit is you can bring whatever fucking loadout you want with a BM weapon

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but its too dumb

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i swear i like this game a lot

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but also everything in it is dumb and makes me angy

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smh

royal vortex
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at the end of the day all i want is a force halberd for psyker

coarse birch
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that would be cool

delicate shadow
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I'd probably like the game more if I didn't feel like a ton of it is just a regression from vt2 or just groundhog day of vt2s problems

sharp zodiac
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My intrusive thoughts make me want to snap my phone in half so badly

coarse birch
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why

sharp zodiac
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Because

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I want to

coarse birch
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cant you snap something else in half

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like idk

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a stick

jagged geyser
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Finger

sharp zodiac
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Don't have a stick

royal vortex
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i watched some dwons gameplay of vt2 and i have seen enough

delicate shadow
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snap a pencil

sharp zodiac
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Only have pens

jagged geyser
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Graham cracker

sharp zodiac
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Nope

delicate shadow
sharp zodiac
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I found a pencil

jagged geyser
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Your inventory sucks

coarse birch
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after getting so used to DT Vt2 gameplay felt very off to me

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going backwards

delicate shadow
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going between games is definitely hell

sharp zodiac
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Why did that take two verses

jagged geyser
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Playing hell let loose after playing Darktide

delicate shadow
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the muscle memory is not transferable 1:1 at all

royal vortex
jagged geyser
royal vortex
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i got carried through some legend matches and i was going fucking insane because it is NOT darktide

sharp zodiac
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Yeah légende is something

royal vortex
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there's also just the frustration that i know i can reach a point where im satisfied with my skill level but i have to get through tide game progression

sharp zodiac
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Just go shield and spear handmaiden

royal vortex
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and i dont wanna do it

obsidian prairie
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Play grail knight with both Brett weapons

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ascend

delicate shadow
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modded realm lets you skip progression at least

coarse birch
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if i had like a group to play with maybe

delicate shadow
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tide progression is so ass and it pisses in my cereal that DT did literally nothing to improve it

coarse birch
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DT i just happened to like enough to play solo

hushed knoll
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Josho we can become masters together

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Tug and me

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You*

coarse birch
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F

delicate shadow
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stan wtf

hushed knoll
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%^[~^ 3774 do anything

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Are you kidding me

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How

royal vortex
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fuck

coarse birch
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waht

delicate shadow
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oh god he's in the matrix

coarse birch
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what were you trying to say

jagged geyser
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Don’t unplug him

hushed knoll
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I’m going g r to pup u yet in the mattress

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Oh my God

coarse birch
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your gonna

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waht

hushed knoll
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I’m going to put you into the matrix

coarse birch
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stan

royal vortex
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you're going to WHAT in the mattress

hushed knoll
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No

coarse birch
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that looks so bad

royal vortex
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i didnt know thats what u meant by butt drunk

hushed knoll
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STOP

royal vortex
left iron
hushed knoll
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YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE ME DROP MY CROISSANT

coarse birch
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again?

royal vortex
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idk maybe if i found enough ppl

sharp zodiac
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Anything that isn't a fucking MIDGET

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Is good

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Or saltz

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Because I don't want to hear a man shout SIGMAR like he's about to climax

royal vortex
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the only char i liked really was kruber

sharp zodiac
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Kirellian is my fav

obsidian prairie
left iron
obsidian prairie
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You can turn an empty hp bar white in less than a second

sharp zodiac
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At the cost of having no throwables

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Or ranged options

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I like using the javelin

obsidian prairie
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A small price to pay

coarse birch
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i would be down to learn VT2 with some people but

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its a lot of work

sharp zodiac
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It's fun once you get it down

coarse birch
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and i do like DT

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speaking of AFK hours ive been sitting in darktide menu for 8 years

sharp zodiac
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Play something else

coarse birch
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im debating if i want to play something else or run a DT mission

sharp zodiac
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Do not

coarse birch
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i was going to do a loadout but now i forgor

sharp zodiac
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You will be stuck in loop

coarse birch
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cause i was talking for so long

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what loop

sharp zodiac
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Play better games

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The loop of weird teamates

coarse birch
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tbf i think i saw arco get on

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nvm

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im going crazy or he was checking something

south folio
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yeah i was just checking something

coarse birch
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sadness

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ok now i may get stuck with weird teammates if i play

sharp zodiac
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He was checking his crack collection

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Because I stole his gallium van

coarse birch
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thats fucked up

sharp zodiac
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He left it in the open

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Like those people always do

coarse birch
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arco why did you leave it in the open

sharp zodiac
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Because he's

coarse birch
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dum bith?

sharp zodiac
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Yes

coarse birch
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that is a very blurry cat

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why is he so blurry '

sharp zodiac
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The pixel god

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He breaks cameras down

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Can't take a good pic of him

coarse birch
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unfort

sharp zodiac
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Unately

coarse birch
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your reading my mind

sharp zodiac
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I am Inside your head

coarse birch
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im not sure if even id want to be there

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how is it

sharp zodiac
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Bad

coarse birch
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yeah that makes sense

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have you ever been in a good mind

zealous basin
tawny tangle
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did throwing knives always 1 hit dreg ragers? i thought they didnt

scenic moth
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I'm looking for a really good melee horde clear zealot weapon besides the heavy sword IX. Anyone have a suggestion that I may want to try?

fair igloo
rigid trellis
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chainsword, dclaw or heavy evis

fair igloo
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oh or those i think

scenic moth
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thanks

tawny tangle
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new evis is braindead easy hoard clear

scenic moth
rigid trellis
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mk2 evis is better for horde clear overall but requires half an extra brain cell

tawny tangle
scenic moth
south folio
tawny tangle
south folio
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sharpening your knives with your weapon perk

fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
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I want to make a new Warframe build but I have absolutely nothing to do

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I feel I've just became a vegetable

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I've done everything

olive raven
sharp zodiac
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That's me

coarse birch
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holy shit leux returns

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you did everything in warframe

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i thought that was like impossible

ripe quest
coarse birch
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xiiig is comparable?

ripe quest
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Absolutely yeah

coarse birch
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i knew it was good not mk4 good tho

ripe quest
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w/ that 100 pox test I did the Mk IV was 13 seconds and the Mk XIIIg was 17.

coarse birch
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neat

ripe quest
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The Mk IV only gets 13 seconds w/ the optimal combo, just heavy spam is 16 seconds

coarse birch
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im guessing XIII is just lights lol

ripe quest
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For fodder yeah, w/ bruisers the H3 is really nice.

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Extra cleave an all

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same goes for small elites

coarse birch
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what blessings did you use for the testing

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rampage/wrath or SS

ripe quest
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For the Mk IV I used SS + Rampage and the Mk XIIIg I used Wrath + Rampage

coarse birch
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ok

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glad im running the right blessings

ripe quest
coarse birch
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crusher damn

ripe quest
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Unlimited cleave + Skullcrusher in a pox 100 is unfair

south folio
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what highly sane testing does to a mf

coarse birch
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it has always felt fast but i never get enough of a mass to really know

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not often atleast

south folio
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when are we getting a black hole ability to make the crusher shine

ripe quest
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This is Crusher w/ the L1 H2

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south folio
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noooooooooo

coarse birch
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special on crusher is funny

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it is both a dummy damage button and a pause the game button

fair igloo
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waittt i just saw the patch sooo many great changes

calm salmon
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for things non-ogryn, and not bugs(Though, considering the weapons, exploit), no gunner knockback is great.

fair igloo
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gunner knockback and silent bursters were the main 2 I was hoping would get fixed and it looks like they did!! TYSM fatshark

calm salmon
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haven't gotten to hear how the specialist changes work out in reality

ripe quest
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They fixed Scattershot, my ass is not happy

fair igloo
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Me neitherrr i've been playing other games, time to log on darktide and see the changes!

north sedge
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Darktide? I hardly know her!

fair igloo
sharp zodiac
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Caught up in the story

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Only thing left is to get the 1 last frame I need then I'll probably hit ng+

coarse birch
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Tragic

sharp zodiac
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At least I get to switch back and forth tho

coarse birch
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Anything to go back to at least

ripe quest
sharp zodiac
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Maybe these guys and their hunts

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But those are very high leveled

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And arcane and rare mod farming but that's all last

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And least priority

north sedge
coarse birch
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Oh do you not want to do the hardest shit

sharp zodiac
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I do

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I'm just not ready

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It's one of those "you die and it's all over" kinda shit

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No revives and the enemy is beefy and hard hitting

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Problem is idk how to get ready besides the least prioritized shit I wanna do

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So I'm essentially in this vegetable state of wanting to progress but not knowing how

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I can farm for arcanes in zariman wares or the murmur boss for melee arcanes ofc, but I don't really have that desire as a current

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One of those midnight-6am kinda things where I just feel lost

coarse birch
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That is relatable

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I unfortunately do not know enough about warframe to give real advice

sharp zodiac
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It's fine

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I'll find something out

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Maybe I could take a look at duvri for the incarnon

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And hopefully have it be week 5

coarse birch
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Uh

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Yes

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Do that

north sedge
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My warframe advice is to play something else (i bailed after a couple hours) thumbsup_ogryn

coarse birch
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I feel like everyone says to just play a diff game lol

south folio
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don't play warframe

coarse birch
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Go to bed

south folio
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go to hell

coarse birch
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WOW

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WOW

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I hope you never find happiness

north sedge
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Go to hell bed

minor sage
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Warframe sucks

ripe quest
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I enjoyed Warframe for like 200 hours so my opinion is that as long as you aren't playing Siege or Destiny 2 you're aight.

coarse birch
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Luna does in fact play d2

ripe quest
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Death.

coarse birch
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I didnt know you hated siege tho

south folio
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the entire tumour must be removed

ripe quest
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I played way too much siege, I know who plays it and I know what kind of person I despise.

young kraken
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new player here, got this on offer from Melk, playing zealot, should i buy it ?

coarse birch
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I also played too much siege

young kraken
ripe quest
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Skip it.

coarse birch
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Probs not

calm salmon
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negative

coarse birch
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The 180 on my opinion of siege is truly baffling

young kraken
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can you give some explanation why not? just trying to figure out what's good and what not

coarse birch
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I loved it 6 years ago but don't wanna think about it now

north sedge
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I played siege casually for a while during pandemic, had my fun just eventually moved on

coarse birch
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On that

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So you had 2 bad blessings and 2 not great perks

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Good stat roll

calm salmon
young kraken
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ty

ripe quest
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On the Mk XIIIg, Wrath is a good alt to Savage Sweep. You'll be able to build stacks against Bruisers from the getgo, without relying on the H3.

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It's biggest downside being that if you miss, it'll drop all stacks.

coarse birch
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Good attack speed too

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For repeat hits

hollow walrus
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Are there any other gun specific voice lines like the flamer for zealot?

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You know the female voice that says kindred a lot. She says "Burn! all of yee!" When she uses the flamer. But I haven't noticed any other voice or gun having gheir specific lines

north sedge
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No

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The weapon lines are on zealot weapons

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Judge gets hammer lines, agitator chainw weapons

hollow walrus
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Can you tell me one of the hammer lines? Don't think I noticed any before

north sedge
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Don't remember! Just know it's judge

pure cipher
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man, i wish all TH special have cut through for trash mob
ironhelm is good but the combo is ass

delicate shadow
median steeple
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well now im interested

delicate shadow
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oh I just clowned on someone for being anti-vax a lil too hard

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this ban is not refelctive of the community nor is anti-vaxxing lmao

ripe quest
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Incan called someone a slur (not clickbait) (gone wrong)

drowsy steppe
ripe quest
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Once Darktide fixes the progression it'll be peak.

bitter anvil
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Next month they’ll do

drowsy steppe
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Maybe new update in 2 weeks

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MAYBE

bitter anvil
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Can’t watch dev work are they crunch or relaxing.

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But I doubt we get next month or perhaps you say 2 weeks

ripe quest
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If we see the powermaul changes I just looked at within the year I'll buy $60 of aquilas.

bitter anvil
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You going support dev for changing power maul balances?

ripe quest
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Well to clarify it's the Crusher that seems to be hit by the change, it's a tad bit in the air rn.

bitter anvil
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Wydm you say crusher still little underperforming?

north sedge
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What's all this

zinc talon
ripe quest
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There's also the third possibility that this is a new 1h Crusher thing

zinc talon
ripe quest
zinc talon
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oh

north sedge
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Ok but is hsword ever gonna match knife mk6

zinc talon
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you mean is knife gonna grow up big and strong one day to be like the heavy sword

ripe quest
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But only against fodder.

north sedge
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No i am making fun of people who think hsword is bad and that mk6 knife is best

ripe quest
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I had a feeling it was in reference to the latest Big Brain™️

north sedge
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There have been two reported big brain incidents in this case

ripe quest
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Oh dear, truly wonderful.

zinc talon
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the fact a four inch pig poker and a flimsy little poop spade on a hinge no less are the hardest hitting things in the game

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makes my balls sag

median steeple
sharp zodiac
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Only game I play is just Warframe

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Nowadays

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Oh and I found something to do,

Push deeper into the steel path and become even more op

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And run the Kingdom of duvri

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Oh I found another thing

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Eidolon hunting

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Perfect I have plans again

zealous basin
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guys im back on dead by daylight

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this is what i live for

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lusty turtle
zealous basin
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no its fine i only play killer

polar nexus
fair igloo
fair igloo
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Wow. that was literally the most boring game i've ever played lol

fading vale
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if those 2 vets were competent then sounds about right

fair igloo
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like 100m away

fading vale
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plasma be like

fair igloo
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I guess i can't really complain about getting carried iggg

fading vale
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I used to play with a vet named severine a while ago

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but they got mad when I called vet overpowered

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in pre patch 13 context

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hey I got $19 for reporting them lol

lusty turtle
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Tip culture sucks

minor sage
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They are just trying to squeeze out more money

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Iirc doordash currently operates on a loss

fading vale
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well, I usually tip like $4 but

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this place was far away at a busy time

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just wanted some Indian food

minor sage
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did you get your food at least

fair igloo
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Hope the food was good :D

fading vale
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I did get the food

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and it was indeed good

lusty turtle
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How were things with drunk stan in the end?

fading vale
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he did not seem to celebrate too hard

lusty turtle
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Gooood

frank night
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mild casualties

hot jolt
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What would happen if hadron fought in the hives of atoma?

frank night
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nobody would be able to upgrade guns and we would all get really mad

hot jolt
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I’m taking this to psy chat where I absolutely don’t belong

frank night
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remember to post a gif of a duck dancing

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it is vital to psyker posting

unreal vale
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People able to play videogames drunk impress me. I can barely do it sober and two beers have me unable to focus on any thing with a reflex requirement lol

frosty herald
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Give stan some car keys!!!

south folio
zinc talon
lusty turtle
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You guys seen excise vault has a new mid event layout

frozen glen
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what!!!

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i need to see it

oak ermine
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For anyone curious

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It’s not a complete overview, but the holdout spot at the stairs is gone it seems

frozen glen
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there is no excise vault maelstrom Nicent

oak ermine
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I’m keen to see what it is in the actual game to properly evaluate the changes loregryn

frosty herald
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how fast do i gotta run?

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open totem
hushed knoll
polar nexus
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in the age of post p17 my vet somehow does the most melee dmg with a claw

north sedge
south folio
lusty turtle
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YOU DID THIS TO ME

frank night
north sedge
frosty herald
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i just realized something

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what if we get a new whetstone in shadow of the erdtree that can give your weapon scarlet rot or sleep as an affinity

frosty herald
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maybe theyll also put in the cut quests finally

sharp zodiac
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The collection grows

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sharp zodiac
frank night
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frempf

sharp zodiac
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Only time I used it was on the duo

frosty herald
sharp zodiac
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Yeah

cinder dirge
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Messing with Chastize the Wicked in the psykhanium and the dash only works properly when you're facing an enemy thats within 20 meters away from you

frosty herald
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did you try holding down f

cinder dirge
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Huh no that's pretty neat

frosty herald
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it doubles the range of chastice

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and makes you home in on an enemy with a faint outline

cinder dirge
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Even while holding F the dash only goes the full ~20 meters while within that 20 meter range

north sedge
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Chastise always works, you get longer distance when targeting an enemy

south folio
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yeah that's just chastise's design

north sedge
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It is designed this way

south folio
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you get a longer dash (up to 21m) if you lock onto an enemy

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and otherwise a shorter dash (up to 7m)

cinder dirge
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Locking beyond 20 meters is still only the shorter dash, at least in the psykhanium

north sedge
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🤔

frosty herald
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mankar is lurking

north sedge
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What arco said is literally how it works, those are the min and max distances

vocal pulsar
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I have to give arco his daily guarded/clown/nerd emojis

south folio
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they could've allowed you to lock on from a farther distance

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but that's how they designed it

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it is what it is

cinder dirge
frosty herald
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guh\

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maybe you should get fury

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never seen chastice been this short

north sedge
#

Yea 24 is too far

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Because they're 24m out

south folio
#

yeah it's fatshark descriptions

cinder dirge
vocal pulsar
#

Learning and number make me mad

south folio
frosty herald
#

big number make me happy

north sedge
frosty herald
#

@vocal pulsar did you instantly buy the dlc lmao

north sedge
frank night
#

dough valiantly lays down his life

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im not sure that im even in the open there

south folio
#

josho can't keep his bloodlust in his pants

north sedge
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He saw the M and his bloodlust took over

sharp zodiac
#

Fitting

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Besides the black blade I'm changing that shit it's ass

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Who's tumbleweed is this

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frosty herald
#

your straight up smoking crack if you think black blade is bad

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get the converted tower memory stone and use ekzyke's decay

sharp zodiac
#

I'm using a dragon lightning build

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frosty herald
#

why dont you use death lightning from the lichdragon

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does stupid damage if you manage to hit it

sharp zodiac
#

Not a fan

zealous basin
frank night
frosty herald
empty python
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oh man it is a BIT tempting

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gooooold

obtuse stirrup
#

Always believe in your soul

silent hull
#

did blades of faith lose 100% crit chance from surgical after the last patch changes?

ember yew
#

there's nothing about that in the notes

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unless it was a hidden nerf

obtuse stirrup
ember yew
#

rip then

obtuse stirrup
#

It used to be a thing that you could throw, say, a bunch of Assail darts out then pull out an Uncanny Strike weapon

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And suddenly your darts would have rending

ember yew
#

you remember that infinite penetration dart

oak blaze
obtuse stirrup
#

All my Assail builds were with an Illisi that didn't have Uncanny lol

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I never got to benefit from it

spare dome
#

thats the shit

south folio
#

knife railgun still exists

frosty herald
#

didnt it specifically state that throwing knife doesnt inherit blessings?

south folio
#

your ranged weapon and whatnot are still equipped when you're throwing your knives

obtuse stirrup
south folio
#

aka the blessings on your held-out weapon are active

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aka they still apply to throwing knives

frosty herald
#

damn

hidden verge
#

hadron: "i trust you are pleased"
kark you, i'm not thumbsdown_ogryn

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vocal pulsar
vocal pulsar
south folio
#

you will never be free

ripe quest
obtuse stirrup
#

I haven't played in a week

ripe quest
#

Ok, because it should be perfectly possible to get blessings on smth like a throwing knife, just mainly SC stuff and assail got nuked.

rocky marsh
#

wait since everyone is online

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exhil/josho/nice jum:
is melee attack speed, the interval between each swing, or how fast each swing is or both?

Like if i have a +10% melee attack speed off nodes / weapon stat how would it affect

clear knot
open pollen
#

Can any Crusher mains tell me if the new Crusher skin in the Vestments is worth it?

north sedge
#

Dunno whats it look like

clear knot
#

its big ol ball

north sedge
hidden verge
#

hmmm, look like the patch doesn't fix overpressure 4? i remember peeps here says it has some problem

sharp zodiac
ripe quest
#

It's questionable if it even will be fixed.

clear knot
#

I figured it probably won’t but hey. FS surprises us sometimes

open pollen
# clear knot its big ol ball

If it was a big ol' ball on a stick, I'd have bought it on sight. If only because it'd resemble my favorite bloodborn weapon.

clear knot
#

Lol

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I love bloodborne so much

ripe quest
#

Yeah the throwing knife stuff works perfectly fine, SC stacking with a stun is proper dead

south folio
#

this is so sad

open pollen
#

Also, I think the flavor text on the Paul and Crusher might have been swapped. Only because the Crusher's got a quote from Brunt that says it's a bigger power maul, but I think the Ogryn version's bigger, no?

ripe quest
#

Also, Agri MAX stacking 3 Scattershot stacks against normal enemy density makes me so fucking mad

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The fact that the most practical weapon for Scattershot now is the Kant is so upsetting.

open pollen
#

Oh, and I don't recall this being mentioned in the patch notes, but it looks like they finally fixed the sights on that one revolver reskin.

ripe quest
#

Fucking braindead balance decisions.

open pollen
#

Which is good, but I suppose I've no reason to use the Agrippa version now. I guess cowboy times are suspended until further notice.

lusty turtle
#

lawbringer 😤

ripe quest
#

Dude

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That makes me even more upset

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Agri got fucked dude

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mmmmmmmmm

fading vale
#

I mean scattershot wasn't supposed to max stack from shooting 1 enemy with enemies behind them

lusty turtle
#

also like

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why run scattershot on agri

fading vale
#

cause before you could get a ton of free stacks and it has high finesse

lusty turtle
#

okay but that was literally a bug KEKW_ogryn

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in what world are you taking multi target blessings on the agri

fading vale
#

well there no reason to take it on kant

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so now it's lawby only I guess

#

no more skullcrusher memes with bolter and stuns either I guess

lusty turtle
#

was swapping to melee applying skullcrusher to stuns?

fading vale
#

yeah

lusty turtle
#

thank fuck thats dead then

analog ember
#

Nooooo

ripe quest
# lusty turtle why run scattershot on agri

Before you could because it would give you so much damage, it being a finesse weapon and all. Like, competitive with Revolver totals and DPS. Now, you have to run Scattershot + Man-Stopper w/ Blazing Piety on Zealot if you want to run Scattershot.

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You're essentially praying on Man-Stopper crits to give you stacks to lead into more crits.

lusty turtle
#

i just run man stopper fullbore AmeliaCantBeBothered

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does the job

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wait not manstopper

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no respite

ripe quest
#

For a normal Agri the general idea was No Respite + FF/DD/Scattershot. Fullbore ig could work but you'd get more out of Scattershot with current enemy density.

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On the plus side, Agri Railgun build still works perfectly fine.

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Like, completely untouched by the patch.

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I'd be forum-peeved if they managed to nerf that.

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1 shotting a line of elites Maulers and below is funny.

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Though this change does have me forum-peeved rn, already made a feedback post

fleet zealot
#

exhillious can i hire you to make a feedback post about rogue tanks being shit in the new season of classic wow

lusty turtle
#

it won't get reverted, i can tell you that now

ripe quest
#

They could make it an actual mechanic

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Because rn they just made it really fucking annoying to build around.

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Like a bunch of my Agri's are now bricked bad.

lusty turtle
#

well ye, its gonna be annoying to build around multihit on the marksman shotgun

#

at best they might introduce an alternate way to stack crit with a new blessing, but its just not intended for agri to do that

ripe quest
#

The finesse shotgun shouldn't require an extremely specific build on Zealot to utilize it best is all I'm saying.

lusty turtle
#

i mean

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FB no respite

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and it kills most things in 1-2 hits at that point

ripe quest
#

That's not utilizing it best though

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Not on an Agri

frosty herald
#

I should rebuild my psyker

ripe quest
#

That's why Scattershot was cool

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Because you'd be shitting if you put it on a Kant. Lawby was somewhat equal with other damage blessings, but the Scattershot stacking was far easier with the special shot. On the Agri it was an actual damage blessing.

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Now it's not.

fading vale
#

"let's give a weapon free 60% crit all the time"

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great idea

normal wren
#

Just run kantrael ez

frosty herald
#

Run autopistol

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Should be nerfed honestly its still too op

normal wren
#

Autopistol is yucky, no fire

frosty herald
#

Dont need to use anything else

lusty turtle
fading vale
#

surgical does need to die

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and headhunter on the vraks 3

ripe quest
#

I don't think it should remain as-is but the proc condition or the overall usage of the blessing should be similar imo.

south folio
#

tfw when the rng component of crits is completely removed

nimble fiber
ripe quest
#

At the very least a crit blessing that can actually be used by the Agri and Lawby at the same time.

normal wren
#

I like surgical on the hellbore, unlimited ammo

south folio
#

i entirely despise the fact that you are even allowed to be able to get more than 50% crit ever

lusty turtle
#

^

normal wren
fading vale
#

zealot be like yo 2 talents

lusty turtle
#

crit in DT is incredibly cringe in its current impementation

ripe quest
#

Well they kinda screwed themselves by giving so much +damage. If we had reasonable crit chances nobody would run it over damage or power stuff.

frosty herald
#

Crits arent very useful

south folio
#

they could always make the average value of crits better than damage
and the variability of crits balancing it out

frosty herald
#

In vt2 you have talents that give you 20% attack speed on crit

normal wren
#

They are useful in conjunction with certain builds

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Ie blazing piety spam

ripe quest
lusty turtle
fading vale
#

too bad they didn't kill piety cooldown

ripe quest
#

But mostly Fatshark is trying to get Crit to compete with damage and that requires some crazy bloated numbers.

vocal pulsar
#

Buff piety cool down

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80% cdr on crit

lusty turtle
#

there are SO MANY things tied to crit its not even funny

normal wren
#

Yeah

south folio
#

another thing is uncoupling crit damage multipliers from weakspot damage multipliers entierly

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because a lot of weapons have the same crit dmg multipliers as they do weakspot dmg multipliers for some reason

normal wren
#

Id like crit to be completely replaced with weakspot

south folio
#

i like crit as an rng mechanic

frosty herald
#

Crits are pret good on the knife

south folio
#

as a gambling mechanic

normal wren
#

I feel like if you have crits, you should let people build into it to its fully (ie 60% and above cc)

lusty turtle
fading vale
#

is there really even a reason to have crits, at least considering the current implementation it would just be better to not have them

south folio
#

but the thing is

sharp zodiac
#

Finally get to use these

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south folio
#

why not just give people damage instead of crits

sharp zodiac
#

Why is the combat soulslike

lusty turtle
#

crits being as good as weakspots disincentivizes weakspots entirely

ripe quest
south folio
#

by removing the variability associated with crits, you're just removing one of its identities

frosty herald
#

Everything sucks

lusty turtle
#

to the point ive seen people argue headshots in darktide are impossible which is wild

fading vale
#

what

normal wren
ripe quest
lusty turtle
fading vale
#

so it's basically just always crits

#

and crit strings on guns give insane crit rate

ripe quest
#

30% crit chance to 94% crit chance is perfectly sane

#

🙂

light holly
#

Well on automatic gunns

south folio
#

i think i know why crit strings exist but man they did not think far ahead about it

ripe quest
#

They didn't, or couldn't, think ahead for a lot of things.

fading vale
#

what is the effective crit rate of headhunter on a vraks 3

#

gotta be insane right

lusty turtle
#

i think its bordering 100

#

if you dont miss

fading vale
#

assuming not missing of course

sharp zodiac
lusty turtle
#

cause its 60% just off the 3 HH stacks

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before class or weapon modifiers

ripe quest
#

🙂

fading vale
#

lol

ripe quest
#

If that's a signal to how absurd it gets

south folio
#

hell yeah

fading vale
#

and the burst stacks headhunter after a crit right?

#

even though the whole burst crits

ripe quest
#

Yeah each shot will stack it

south folio
#

time to pull a gamer move that turns 20% crit chance into 50% crit chance

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fading vale
#

and people like to argue about surgical cause they don't like to ADS

lusty turtle
#

algebra jumpscare

fading vale
#

and I'm just like bro, it's crit on demand and you delete ANYTHING

south folio
#

(that's the math for your effective crit chance due to crit strings)

fading vale
#

get your statistics out of here

lusty turtle
south folio
#

if p is your per-shot crit chance, and n is the # of shots in your crit string, then that formula gives the effective crit chance

lusty turtle
#

ye the current state of crit is like

north sedge
#

Yea wtf my surgical speedloader agri revolver does great

fading vale
#

lmao

lusty turtle
#

it NEEDS a rework, but it touches on so much stuff that like

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idk if fatshark want to undertake that

frosty herald
#

Maybe we need to start complaining about stims too

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Hell complain about everything

ripe quest
#

If you roughly average HH on the Mk III it's about a 85% crit rate.

fading vale
#

I assign crab as the crit rework lead

lusty turtle
#

stims should be the same slot as medkits

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all im saying

south folio
#

that's what i initially thought stimms were going to be like

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but then fatshark added another slot for them

ripe quest
#

I do find it odd that they added a slot for them

dense field
frosty herald
#

It was sarcastic

south folio
#

yeah, i think just them occupying the same slot would really incentivize players to use their stims even more

lusty turtle
#

it probably was just a "well vermintide it was an extra slot" moment

south folio
#

cuz i kind of just forget stimms exist

lusty turtle
#

i want them to revert it tbh

#

or i guess revert is the wrong word

#

make it the same slot

#

make it a decision

#

do you want ammo or do you want a free 25% power and rending

fading vale
#

I feel like we also casually overlook how silly the 50% TDR on crit is, probably cause it used to be even more busted

frosty herald
south folio
#

it proccing on ranged attacks is also extremely goofy

fading vale
#

like oh, a single node that gives me double toughness all the time

vocal pulsar
#

Blazing piety proccing on teammate kills also goofy

fading vale
#

hmm

south folio
#

much to think about

acoustic dune
#

I wanna crit harder I wanna spam the funny relic

ripe quest
fading vale
#

like if they wanna go full arcade game mode.... this is just not the game for it

lusty turtle
#

i think they need to decide where they want to the game to land feel wise

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cause atm its edging to the power fantasy end

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which isn't bad per say, its certainly more accessible this way, but its less interesting imo

south folio
#

and there are multiple difficulties anyways

fading vale
frosty herald
#

To the 1% its a power fantasy

#

Probs like 60% of the playersbase doesnt break into auric

south folio
#

increasing rewards with increasing difficulty is fine but the jump from 440 plasteel to 805 is kind of goofy

fleet zealot
south folio
#

and 0 diamantine on sedition

lusty turtle
south folio
#

why are the ratios so fucking whack

frosty herald
lusty turtle
#

it should be like 500 at diff 3, 600 at diff 4

fleet zealot
#

god i love creatures

lusty turtle
#

so people have some wiggle room

south folio
acoustic dune
south folio
#

yeah the higher reward really should just to be compensating for the fact that higher difficulty = more time spent in a mission

#

rather than a god damn 2x jump in a single tier of difficulty

acoustic dune
fading vale
#

no?

lusty turtle
fleet zealot
south folio
#

secondary objectives having more rewards associated with them would be swell

frosty herald
#

Flat 800 on finishing a damnation mission and add 800 plasteel to be grabbed in the mission

acoustic dune
#

Every kroking time

frosty herald
#

So you can speedrun and still get rewarded with materials

lusty turtle
#

thats on u then bud

south folio
#

i like material pickups as a concept because they incentivize a team to split up

#

i don't like the map design, however

fleet zealot
#

books need more rewards for sure

fading vale
#

yeah picking up resources can just be deleted

#

least favorite thing about the game

south folio
#

because a lot of maps just have these sidepaths that don't reenter onto the main path

frosty herald
#

Or have both

fleet zealot
#

they are basically worthless right now

south folio
#

so you have to constantly backtrack

#

i consider the issue with mats to strongly be because the map design doesn't accomodate for it

acoustic dune
lusty turtle
south folio
#

p much

fading vale
#

I only want to look for things in the context of the game

frosty herald
#

I like plasteel for the twins

fading vale
#

I don't want to play plasteel simulator every fucking mission

frosty herald
#

Its at the end of the mission at the elevator

acoustic dune
south folio
#

cuz a lot of the map design is expecting a full team of 4 players to be strolling together

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like, these wide corridor sections

acoustic dune
#

They tickle my heretic bones

south folio
#

singular paths through a level

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rather than multiple thinner paths that go along the same direction or eventually converge

viral hare
#

istg I’m the only one actively looking for plasteel in pubs

acoustic dune
fading vale
#

but what if we had a bunch of random paths with a chance for plasteel so you gave to look around and thats literally the only reason

acoustic dune
#

One bad move one lost player

south folio
#

yeah that's something that needs tuning with trappers as well

clear knot
south folio
#

it's just because there are so many things in this game with problematic elements

acoustic dune
lusty turtle
frosty herald
#

Having a single corridor for a mission is boring

fading vale
#

I'm ordo limited and not plasteel limited at this point anyways so I really just don't care

south folio
#

and we have to go fix them all before we can do stuff

frosty herald
#

Gotta incentivize exploration

acoustic dune
#

Trappers queue need to be louder

south folio
acoustic dune
#

I wanna have a panic attack everytime I hear it

clear knot
fading vale
#

exploration is incentivized through normal gameplay aka needing ammo, ammo and medkits

clear knot
#

but ordos are a problem 4 me too

south folio
#

the thing is that ammo probably won't ever be a concern and i don't think it should be a concern

fading vale
lusty turtle
clear knot
#

o ok i c i bad faith

frosty herald
#

I love the maps since uhhh

acoustic dune
frosty herald
#

Archivum

clear knot
frosty herald
#

Post archivum are fun maps

acoustic dune
#

I swear melk like to scam me or smth

clear knot
#

mostly just used for getting t4 blessings

fading vale
#

melk is useless 99% of the time

clear knot
#

and the occasional mid-god tier gold

acoustic dune
#

Or max it

lusty turtle
acoustic dune
#

Heck that's what I did

south folio
lusty turtle
south folio
#

to me, I'm fine with the current state of the ammo economy, assuming that survivalist is nuked

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because even without survivalist, maps have plenty of ammo to go around

clear knot
fading vale
#

I mean the only reason ammo is never a problem for anyone rn is survivalist

frosty herald
#

My absolute favourite is the laboratory

acoustic dune
south folio
#

but even with survivalist

#

there are just a bunch of ammo pickups

frosty herald
#

Its long asf but very fun

acoustic dune
#

I just wait itnout at the lost and found

south folio
#

it's just that no one ever explores side paths

acoustic dune
#

Got my 80 there

clear knot
south folio
#

i really do think that this is a pertinent issue of maps

fading vale
south folio
#

that sidepaths need to be relooked at

south folio
fading vale
#

right

lusty turtle
south folio
#

but i'm just saying that even without survivalist, there's plenty of ammo to go around

acoustic dune
acoustic dune
#

I wish recon was stronger

fading vale
#

I agree and what I was saying is I want the game to drive me to explore for things I need in the game, not plasteel

south folio
#

well yeah the recon is certainly a breed of its own

acoustic dune
#

I wanna feel like heavy weapons guy

#

With a lasy

south folio
#

i am certainly a bit biased because i usually play melee very heavily

#

so ammo is never a concern for my games

acoustic dune
#

Ogryn doesn't hit the spot right

lusty turtle
#

i play ranged heavy and ammo is also never a concern for me

fading vale
#

with a survivalist vet you can just take a brauto and hold m1 the whole game

acoustic dune
lusty turtle
#

i don't run survivalist except on 1 (one) build

frosty herald
#

I want the heavy stubber on vet

clear knot
#

i think the only old maps i really play is consignment yard and refinery delta.

#

adn dreyko

#

those are the only ones i like

frosty herald
#

The dude in the concept art uses it

acoustic dune
fading vale
#

I like oubliette except for 2 spots

acoustic dune
#

Eats more ammo but shoot quicker

lusty turtle
frosty herald
#

Miguel iglesias is damn good at art

lusty turtle
#

i miss when he was active here

frosty herald
#

So much even that he made the art for several killteams

acoustic dune
frosty herald
#

The latest was the mandrakes

lusty turtle
acoustic dune
#

What does he main?

clear knot
#

i like the assassination missions purely because its packed with shit

lusty turtle
clear knot
#

the sewer one, i think u were tlaking about laz

#

its so dum

lusty turtle
#

he didn't play here but he took part in the fan art chat

clear knot
#

but lotsa fun

fading vale
acoustic dune
acoustic dune
#

When you can one shot

frosty herald
acoustic dune
#

Oh the feels

south folio
clear knot
#

yeah it is very....

south folio
#

because there's also a dropdown for specials right above

#

among other enemies

clear knot
#

"engaging"

frosty herald
#

Miguel also has a very unique artstyle

fading vale
#

it just feels half RNG cause it can be such bullshit

south folio
#

so you can just be completely flanked by ranged enemies if a ranged patrol spawns up there

frosty herald
#

Very dirty and rugged

clear knot
#

fire nads litter the floor there when im around and i jsut try to get through as quick as possible

fading vale
#

it's probably the spot I have experienced the most wipes by far

#

in any map

frosty herald
#

I wish that the fire grenade blowup effect had a different color

#

Its the same effect as barrels and bombers

fading vale
#

use the mod

#

and make it goo

clear knot
#

but when a Cspawn and like, 432678462472 whatevever the fuck enemies show up in a 360 the fire nades can only do so much sometimes, even with TH

lusty turtle
frosty herald
#

I dont want to use mods

fading vale
#

on the bottom level

south folio
#

ban all boss spawns that can happen after a drop down

lusty turtle
#

oh so after the sewer dropping onto the actual platform

hidden verge
#

emperor gave me this. what to do?

image.png
fading vale
#

yeah that one

south folio
#

oh the sewer dropdown is also problematic

#

cuz of the fuckin boss trigger

fading vale
lusty turtle
#

i think the railing there could do with a few reinforced spots to use as cover incase of gunner spawns

#

and probably some extra or different cover arrangement

hidden verge
south folio
#

and snipers sightlining the shit out of you

clear knot
fading vale
#

also let's not forget the dropdown after the staircase when game is like what if 50 gunners

lusty turtle
# south folio oh the sewer dropdown is also problematic

i like the sewer dropdown, but it could do with a catwalk that goes to the left on the far wall as you walk in, so you have some horrizontal traverse before you drop and can clear the area underneath or incoming hordes with less clipping into mauler issues

hidden verge
#

if we are talking about bad map, the one where we have to scan 2x 5 samples is atrocious

the last area is wide with non-stop spawn and lot of vantage for sniper/bomber

fading vale
#

I have fun diving the sewer dropdown

south folio
#

another problem i have with the sewer dropdown is that you can also just cheese it by aggroing stuff and waiting for them to climp

lusty turtle
#

its a very narrow walkway but has great sightlines and is just a fun combat zone

fading vale
lusty turtle
#

it just needs something to mitigate crusher or mauler blobs jumping inside you

south folio
#

i hate the sewer dropdown if a bonbon ever spawns

#

absolutely despise it

lusty turtle
#

the lack of space makes that extremley unfair if your team lacks armour pen

fading vale
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I simply scream and charge it with a hammer and hope my team keeps shit off of me

south folio
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or the other extreme where they just get obliterated by some CC weapon

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a single player with a flamethrower weapon and you're good to go for that section

fading vale
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that's true

frosty herald
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Fatshark should add another player number thingy

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Like john darktide

fleet zealot
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isn't that to encourage players to always have a somewhat well rounded build

fading vale
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well, flamer needing cleave of sorts is a separate discussion

south folio
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yeah having teammates that covers situations is good planning/rng with quickplaying

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but flamethrower weapons and the like are way too dominating in certain scenarios

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at the very least, anything with infinite cleave needs a hard look at

sharp zodiac
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Time to rest

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lusty turtle
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doesn't work in the current game state tho

ivory marlin
fleet zealot
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i could not resist

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bigger= better

coarse birch
fleet zealot
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give every weapon 100 cleave!

coarse birch
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Hell even normal cleave is kinda high just like im general

median steeple
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does anyone have this weeks shop rotation?

sharp zodiac
median steeple
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that dax got fucked

sharp zodiac
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That was fun as hell

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wheat dagger
sharp zodiac
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Some aspects of it

wheat dagger
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What relation does the drifter have with you then?

sharp zodiac
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Uh..yeah I don't know shit about the drifter

wheat dagger
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Then you don't know enough. Get back to learning.

sharp zodiac
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What the hell 😭

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Well this choice is easy ain't it

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Hm

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My main

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Ash

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Or nyx

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Hmm

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Oh that's chroma jesus

coarse birch
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Damn

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Luna just got grilled

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That was fucked up lmao

sharp zodiac
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Ah, catgirls

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Hm

coarse birch
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Your favorite as far as i can tell

frosty herald
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you need to have killed both radahn and mohg to access the dlc

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seems to me that the eclipse is a plotpoint in sote since radahn holds back the stars and miquella's prophecy uses an eclipse

median steeple
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I feel like everyone should kill radahn every playthrough anyway

coarse birch
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Yeah i usually kill him as the second shardbearer

frosty herald
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i do godrick renalla and then radahn

median steeple
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yeah thats also my order of things

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it feels wierd not doing every areas shardbearer

frosty herald
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my playthrough is not going to chance except trying to beat mohg after radahn

median steeple
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prob for the best since mohg is like very late game

coarse birch
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Yeah godrick renalla radahn would probably be most peoples

median steeple
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Im gonna do another playthrough for the DLC since all of my characters are in NG+ and above

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and prob stop around before burning the erdtree

frosty herald
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im absolutely not doing it ng+

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its going to be a fresh playthrough

lusty turtle