i'm now realizing i had spiritual chorus fortitude thingy in my build and i forgor to use it the entire game
#zealot-class
sharp zodiac
Yeah you definitely didn't have a brain STEM even
fleet zealot
doesn't even have a clump of nerves
static creek
idk about executor but yea i agree, precog rules, i just want to have a mk 3 bleed knife jic
fleet zealot
executor is power and strong now it is fixed
sharp zodiac
Ah that's good
thorn flicker
does anyone know if block efficiency affects how much stamina is consumed when pushing?
fleet zealot
does anyone know if block efficiency affects how much stamina is consumed when p...
that
nvm
i misread push for block
cause im stupid
no it doesn't, iirc
thorn flicker
hmm ok
sage river
lilac bone
Most Zealous and not very lore friendly. Such love.
sage river
Yeehaw or yeenaw?
sharp zodiac
Could be higher reload speed but if say yeehaw
sage river
minor sage
dmg and reload kinda low ngl
sage river
fair enough
minor sage
it's not a super hard weapon to roll so I would aim for better
sage river
I probably will
minor sage
cuz there's 1 important stat (78-80), 2 semi-important stats (73-80), 1 not-important stat (51+) and 1 dump stat
numbers are what I personally look for
you can adjust depending on how rich/poor you are
but compare that spread to like... a staff which is like 3 important stats and 2 semi-important stats
ripe quest
cuz there's 1 important stat (78-80), 2 semi-important stats (73-80), 1 not-impo...
On Boltgun you kinda just want Damage and Reload Speed high, Stab is QoL, and Collat needs to be what like 56+ for Bulwark opens.
twilit otter
is shredder autopistol meta?
minor sage
60 stab is pretty ass vs like 80 stab
ripe quest
The range on stability is pretty small.
Unless you're worried about sway more than usual.
twilit otter
is there a gun that can deal with bulwarks and isnt garbage (bolter)
sage river
Just pretend its good anyways and it won't feel like bad recoil
ripe quest
is there a gun that can deal with bulwarks and isnt garbage (bolter)
Kant Shotgun
north sedge
Kantrael shotgun
twilit otter
i cant stand boltgun for its weapon swap speed alone
ornate bone
can I use these to learn how to backstab
idk how to refine them
hilarious how I got 4 level 4 blessings tho
minor sage
quite good tbh
vivid hawk
Columnus IAG or BAG?
faint cape
fire frenzy + dumdum on the columnus
ripe quest
can I use these to learn how to backstab
With the knife you'd swap Riposte to Uncanny and +Specialists to +Cara, Unyielding, or Flak.
minor sage
I would go for elites/maniac(or flak or cara) + precog/uncanny on knife and flak/maniac+ raking/dumdum on the gun
ripe quest
i though agripina was the best braced auto gun
Agri or Graia Brauto.
Columnus is ok.
Suited for Fury of the Faithful DPS.
ornate bone
interesting getting two different knife recommends for perks
vivid hawk
I think I've been crusher-pilled, tried using another melee but it just didn't feel right
ornate bone
I think I've been crusher-pilled, tried using another melee but it just didn't f...
I find it weaker than Ogryn clobbering sticks so I'm going stealth to try that out
ripe quest
interesting getting two different knife recommends for perks
Flak will help with smaller elites, Cara with Maulers mostly since I think BPs are the same for Crushers, and with Unyielding it just gives boss DPS.
minor sage
interesting getting two different knife recommends for perks
it's the same recommendation
my recommendation is the final outcome
his is which to swap
ornate bone
ahhh
ripe quest
Actually I think +Cara also helps with Crushers on PAs
vivid hawk
been using the kanty shotty with the crusher, but thinking about mixing things up a bit, any suggestions for a different ranged weapon? Have tried revo as well
ripe quest
been using the kanty shotty with the crusher, but thinking about mixing things u...
What build are you running?
More specifically just what ult and keystone
vivid hawk
ripe quest
With something like that I run a Lawby, Columnus or Graia Brauto, or a Columnus IAG.
vivid hawk
my crusher atm
ripe quest
Could try an Agri Brauto or IAG too.
spare dome
soon graia will be the next flavour of the month
vivid hawk
Lawby good now?
ripe quest
Oh also I've heard the Laspistol is fun with it too
Lawby is fine yeah, ever since it was buffed.
ripe quest
It's a tiny bit situational unless you spec it but it can be a fun clump shutdown. Fun on shooters and small ambient elite clumps that you can stagger on your way to them.
Lawby is more of a finesse weapon + has weirdly high Unyielding damage.
vivid hawk
columnus IAG too common these days, so probably gonna avoid it for now
spare dome
peace through superior firepower
vivid hawk
wasn't the SAP nerfed to oblivion?
ripe quest
PF was nerfed
vivid hawk
btw, which las pistol would you recommend?
ornate bone
his is which to swap
thank you and @ripe quest again. I gotta grind plasteel just to get some of these blessings to complete, but will refer to these posts when I get there
light holly
I haven't tried the X
X is fun, hits hard
north sedge
X is gonna give it em
ripe quest
One of the things I like about the II is despite what Fatshark does to it, it's still a fun hipfire spam weapon.
Just click at problems and watch them burn, fueling your Dumdum stacks that let you do more damage
haughty haven
ripe quest
Oh hey thank you brunt
Imagine making a new character just to get the T2 shotgun blessings
totally not me
vivid hawk
if it could only get t4
you could pair it with the crit blessing
and maybe make some funnies
ripe quest
Flechette would still be fairly mid. I personally think FS should make it a T3 blessing just so level 30 characters can get it normally.
thorn flicker
can't you still get t1 and 2 from brunt or emperor's gifts at the end of a mission?
ripe quest
Yeah you can.
ripe quest
That's the only way for a level 30 character to get it, outside of making a new character.
I just find it a bit dumb.
thorn flicker
i'm sure it's a lot less efficient too
pastel cosmos
should i put mercy killer, lacerate, or precognition (all tier 3) for my knife's second perk
ornate bone
Precognition is the most fitting of the 3 for a zealot
lilac bone
True Zealot champion.
wraith helm
should i put mercy killer, lacerate, or precognition (all tier 3) for my knife's...
None, throw it into the knife disposal bin
No, flesh tearer and precog be fine
north sedge
sage river
I bet crowd control and penetration are the two stats that matter, am I right?
north sedge
Pen more so
sage river
gusty lynx
Oh my Emprah, Melk why?
dense field
I'd buy it for blaze away
gusty lynx
My thing is; isnt the flamer hot garbage?
gray ice
uhhh no
heavy arch
no it's p great
gray ice
flamer is quite good
gusty lynx
really..?
heavy arch
yeah just press f
gusty lynx
Ive never seen another zealot use it and actually do well with it
gray ice
I mean what gives you the impression it's bad?
heavy arch
pug flamers dont press f sometimes ive noticed
gray ice
it can melt hordes of literally anything with chastise and do p decent boss dmg even post nerf
gusty lynx
Ive used it, and it underperformed in herecy, didnt even try damnation. And my friends hate it too
gray ice
only constraint is its range. anything within that range is getting baked tho
heavy arch
underperform at what
south folio
can't go wrong with an infinite cleave weapon
gray ice
and puff staggers anything short of crushers
gusty lynx
Like most of zealots melees sweep through hordes way better than it. At least thats what it feels like to me
heavy arch
huh
dense field
My thing is; isnt the flamer hot garbage?
What? No, it's good. It was never bad actually.
gray ice
I mean flamer is usually paired with something that isn't good for horde clear
you don't take hsword and flamer
you take something like thammer or knife
gusty lynx
I mean flamer is usually paired with something that *isn't* good for horde clear
fair enough I spose
heavy arch
if youre flaming a horde and you dont like how it isnt dead yet hit f
south folio
and not just for hordes composed of trash enemies
but for ragers, maulers, and crushers (with fury)
gray ice
if youre flaming a horde and you dont like how it isnt dead yet hit f
(instructions unclear I stealthed instead of flamed harder)
split canyon
Fellas Sour Milk store, defensed is low. but
heavy arch
i subscribe to chastise solves all problems
south folio
and enemies that happen to be spread out in an area that is still within the range of the flamer
dense field
Fellas Sour Milk store, defensed is low. but
It's a dump stat
gray ice
Fellas Sour Milk store, defensed is low. but
defense is dump, this is perfect
gusty lynx
Oh my Emprah, Melk why?
Okay, I wanna try the flamer now. But what about this? Ive never used it, so what are "good" stats, blessings, perks?
ripe quest
Ive used it, and it underperformed in herecy, didnt even try damnation. And my f...
It's a weapon with unlimited cleave unless it hits a wall or a Bulwark shield that will wipe any non-boss enemy.
crimson juniper
can you ohko a dh with ironhelm?
fleet zealot
Okay, I wanna try the flamer now. But what about this? Ive never used it, so wha...
76% burn and high cloud radius
perks 25% damage perks of your choice
always run chastise
ripe quest
can you ohko a dh with ironhelm?
Maybe with a Martyr setup and a lot of buffs up. Might need to use the H3.
fleet zealot
use chastise after flaming bigger enemies like crushers and keep flaming them, you can kill crusher packs at a rate only something like plasma vet could contest
blessings and blaze away + free slot
overpressure would be the second one but it is currently broken
normal coyote
What's the stat spread needed for Mk IV devil's claw?
fleet zealot
flamer literally isn't ran just because it is awkward to use in such a specialist heavy meta but with more elites it is making a comeback and has always been an amazing damage tool
gusty lynx
overpressure would be the second one but it is currently broken
As in, not functioning correctly? or not functioning at all?
south folio
it currently gives ranged power instead of global power, so only the direct damage of the flamer is buffed
and not including the burn damage
vale lark
Ive used it, and it underperformed in herecy, didnt even try damnation. And my f...
i only recommend it if youre confident you can survive with your melee weapon alone
thy wrath be swift helps
heavy arch
i like flamer throwing knives and th
vale lark
tbf throwing knifes would help ive never thought about that
heavy arch
it's pretty heckin sick
gusty lynx
How does Anoint in Blood scale with the flamer?
Since its got so little range it should get a good buff 90% of the time yeah?
vale lark
what does that do again i dont remember most perk names
gusty lynx
south folio
iirc it works similar to Dumdum, so the buff to the burn damage that enemies take depends on their distance to you
vale lark
i mean it seems like it should synergise well but i dont use flamer enough to say
south folio
yeah anoint is pretty good no matter what
fleet zealot
heavy arch
i always have anoint bc i always take purge the unclean 🙂
fleet zealot
iirc it works similar to Dumdum, so the buff to the burn damage that enemies tak...
oh i was about to say it shouldn't work
south folio
no wait anoint is ranged damage
fleet zealot
but i never tested it
fleet zealot
but anoint shouldn't work with flamer, it only buffs contact damage, not the DoT
south folio
maybe the same condition but different damage buff
fleet zealot
the contact damage doesn't matter, annoint doesn't buff the burn effect
fleet zealot
read above
gusty lynx
real
heavy arch
take chastie dont forget
fleet zealot
every time I use flamer I get teams that won't go after bombers at all
vale lark
yeah like i was saying aslong as i can deal with everything in melee its safe to run
south folio
shrimply throw 10 knives at it
ivory marlin
THATS SO ME
heavy arch
in psykarium i hit throwing knife headshots all day
in game im spamming all 12 at 1 target
gusty lynx
Yeah I retooled my OHK Thammer build to run knives, and then this flamer
Should be bing chilling
fleet zealot
equip flamer
que quickplay
sniper gauntlet
FUCK
ripe quest
yeah it explicitly says ranged damage
Anoint works on Flamer's burn.
fleet zealot
Should be bing chilling
south folio
WOOOOOO BABYYYY
gusty lynx
>equip flamer
>que quickplay
>sniper gauntlet
FUCK
ahahhaha
fleet zealot
Anoint works on Flamer's burn.
i hate fartshart
south folio
can't trust fatshark after all
fleet zealot
what in the fuck
gusty lynx
that sucks
ripe quest
Never rely on Fatshark descriptions c'mon guys you know this
gusty lynx
ANOINT WORKS
Oh fire
south folio
i was fooled by the fact that they specifically referred to ranged damage
my sheer hubris
my foolishness
ripe quest
I mean Rampage says Damage and yet it's Power.
Fatshark sucks at specifically this kind of thing.
heavy arch
what does power rly mean
north sedge
nothing will ever match what happend with Vicious Slice, truly magical
ripe quest
Damage, Impact, and Cleave
south folio
nothing will ever match what happend with Vicious Slice, truly magical
truly vicious
so vicious that no one takes it
heavy arch
what happened to vicious slice
median steeple
north sedge
i just love that it used to say dmg, crab tested and saw it did stagger, reported the bug. so they fixed the tooltip to say stagger
just chef's kiss
heavy arch
wow
ivory marlin
fleet zealot
i just love that it used to say dmg, crab tested and saw it did stagger, reporte...
aghahahahha
ripe quest
i just love that it used to say dmg, crab tested and saw it did stagger, reporte...
Depending on how potent something like that is it would've been busted tbf
south folio
😡 😡 vicious😡 😡 slice blessing giving +stagger 🙂
ripe quest
Imagine BM but the damage increases as you cleave
ripe quest
south folio
Imagine BM but the damage increases as you cleave
OwO
north sedge
sure, but it was still very funny
south folio
though the realities of damage falloff with multiple targets hit
north sedge
and this was back when the claw was dogshit too
south folio
unless brutal momentum for dclaw OwO OwO
south folio
OWO
dense field
UwU
ivory marlin
You are not free of sin
south folio
no UwUs in this household
heavy arch
what if im cUwUte
south folio
you won't trick me
ivory marlin
What
heavy arch
based
south folio
I can see UwUs even if in disguise
heavy arch
i respect it
heavy arch
imagine an anime girl with bunny ears
and a very large personality
everyones got their own definition tho idk man you do you whatever u like
south folio
NoWo
ornate bone
gowo fuck uwurself
fleet zealot
boot2big
fleet zealot
no UwUs in this household
UwU
south folio
you digust me
ripe quest
A lot of things happen to knives
south folio
so many ways to sharpen them
lilac bone
Fellas Sour Milk store, defensed is low. but
Fun hsword. With mid-good blessings and confusing perks. Enjoy.
ripe quest
so many ways to sharpen them
mmm
nostalgia
Back when you could do this with any weapon
south folio
tragik
lilac bone
Balance is pain. ;D
ripe quest
Some of the balancing changes they could make would be so simple
like press delete on all +power blessings
🙂
ivory marlin
Any warframe players up?
lilac bone
They will continue. Just spend days with the code and complain a lot. Eventually you'll get a moderately useable t-hammer.
ripe quest
My goal is to become a playtester and join the workforce trying to make this game reasonable
ivory marlin
Can you give me free aquilas?
ripe quest
no
lilac bone
Ahhh. Good luck.
ripe quest
pissbaby Gale you get no aquilas
south folio
writing essays to get a change through
ivory marlin
I thought we were friends
ripe quest
Maybe ask the moderator that's sometimes named aquila
lilac bone
Go talk to Grim. Don't think he's getting paid yet! 😄
split canyon
or keep rampage
I'll keep Rampage until I can get a Deathblow 4
gray ice
I'll keep Rampage until I can get a Deathblow 4
makes sense
ripe quest
I thought we were friends
I had like 4 character arcs while you were gone
gray ice
since it's just 3 it's not too much of a loss just going over it even if you don't have it
ivory marlin
I had like 4 character arcs while you were gone
Damn really?
gray ice
cuz you can just roll a t3 from blues
ripe quest
Yeah I went from IT man to US air force
ivory marlin
Damn
lilac bone
My goal is to become a playtester and join the workforce trying to make this gam...
3 games. I kid you not. I could have a phd. And I'm not even of the hardcore.
ripe quest
What?
ornate bone
same
ivory marlin
My dream is to one day meet hakita
ripe quest
AI generated message
split canyon
Good gun for a Zel? The pinned table says so, but I don't think I used the auto guns much before
ivory marlin
And ask him why he made ultrakill
ornate bone
Very nice gun, despite the stopping power being a bit low
ivory marlin
Not in like a rude
ripe quest
My dream is to one day meet hakita
Hello Ultrakill Hakita why did you do the things you did
ivory marlin
Hello Ultrakill Hakita why did you do the things you did
Yeah basically
ornate bone
Flak and dumdum is something you want on infantry autoguns
lilac bone
Good gun for a Zel? The pinned table says so, but I don't think I used the auto ...
Graia is a lot of fun. Use that.
Really. That is actually the kindest thing I've seen Melk drop.
Infantry autogun? Dammit. Eh.
Get that with a brauto. I'm blind.
split canyon
I am confused, a yay or nay? I am short like 10 milk money, so I need to do a contract first
ripe quest
It's pretty solid.
lilac bone
Eh. It's decent indeed.
ornate bone
An audible yay
ripe quest
Not perfect, I'd spend the coins on it if you don't have one.
lilac bone
That.
If it was a brauto I'd love it. As an IAG -- it's still going to be fun to play with.
twilit blade
Now that might be an axe
vale lark
guy i just ran a game with didnt help anyone two low levels died a few times and bragged that he did more damage as if that means anything
3 guesses what weapon he was using
twilit blade
Hmm
native nebula
power sword
twilit blade
Anyone want to help me do "Just a Flesh Wound" Penance?
twilit blade
Knife Zealot with Zar volver
vale lark
even worse knife zealot with a flamer
native nebula
well he won the race duh
vale lark
he did do that
stood in a corner not helping justifying his actions
saying its heresy bro
not everyone on heresy is just chilling some people are genuinely only that good
had to kill a deamonhost alone to save someone whilst he was chilling in the elevator
sage river
Zealots either cook or they're the worst players in the lobby
lilac bone
had to kill a deamonhost alone to save someone whilst he was chilling in the ele...
Good on ye. Heresy solo saves are really fun. Sweaty fun. I'm not sure if Auric or Heresy solo saves are harder.
vale lark
delusional enough to think his damage from running around stacking bleed meant anything aswell
i had both chastise charges and a thunder hammer poor dh didnt stand a chance
lilac bone
Auric solo is harder. But just Auric versus solo heresy.
ripe quest
even worse knife zealot with a flamer
That's a pretty normal combo.
vale lark
it is if youre using them i guess
with a gun atleast hed be able to turn and shoot
no flaming from the next zones elevator
sterile dune
I feel like they should give us the option to get rid of the ranged weapon and use a second knife
ripe quest
I mean, Flamer works with anything that has slightly worse horde clear than normal. Knife is a super single target focused weapon.
median steeple
lilac bone
Stabby fire eh? A flamer with a bayonette?
sterile stone
@ripe quest You stateside or EU?
ripe quest
<@239404785453760512> You stateside or EU?
USA, west coast.
sterile stone
USA, west coast.
You down for some games tomorrow?
ripe quest
Sure, just ping or DM me when.
sterile stone
Noted
royal vortex
USA, west coast.
worst coast 😔
royal vortex
lmao
ripe quest
Jack in the Box
sterile stone
Stoner food
ripe quest
mhm
sterile stone
Ain't no way you're paying close to $20
ripe quest
They got banger churros
heavy arch
20 dollars for fast food frick that
sterile stone
Bole has a point
Their churros are alright
If you've got a Fuzzy's tacos out there
Bruhhhh
They do oreo churros
ripe quest
Ain't no way you're paying close to $20
I think where I'm at a full combo for like, a normal sized burger is totaled at 15 or 16
medium drink
heavy arch
2010s
ripe quest
i remember when big burgs were $5
I mean you can just make them for about that much
sterile stone
I mean you can just make them for about that much
Facts tho
There's hella recepies out there too.
heavy arch
ya but i always went to this deli that did this hguie double patty burg for $5
sterile stone
Like cheese stuffed burgers
heavy arch
on the way home from school
sterile stone
🤤
ripe quest
I got paid so much money to make $5 burgers sold at gourmet prices
sterile stone
ya but i always went to this deli that did this hguie double patty burg for $5
That sounds like a NY chopped cheese fam
sterile stone
Word
You gotta make your way to Texas
Try your hand at the 64 oz steak
Or die trying
sterile stone
Depends
San Antonio is where all the retirees live
Houston is...
It's lright
Dallas is hit or miss depending on where you go tbh
ember yew
guy i just ran a game with didnt help anyone two low levels died a few times and...
starting a new day while seeing a "classic" message about tardy knife zealotto
vale lark
knife isnt bad but if youre good with a knife id wager youd do better with any other weapon
the adhd knifers is my issue
stop running away dude
ember yew
people seem to get wrong idea about the knife, probably because of sh*tty guides on reddit and youtube
ember yew
if we talking about almost 100% crit build knife, it's not, it will work similarly to Rashad MK2 in that case
ornate bone
Knife guide readers reading the part where knife helps you get away from your team faster and casually glancing over the part where it says knife also helps you get back faster
ember yew
where you can go braindead as long as you do basic DT stuff with dodges/mechanics
and rush into gunners
to erase them in an instant
ornate bone
I wanna go wheelchair word with my lightspam
lone matrix
where you can go braindead as long as you do basic DT stuff with dodges/mechanic...
did that yesterday with heavysword crit build on damnation
need still to try stealth
ember yew
knife is fun, it's just idiots who create bad image for it
lilac bone
If Fatshark keeps working on balance -- well -- pretty much anything should be auric damnation viable. That's sort of the point of the game.
ember yew
to me knife memes are on the same level as Shield Ogryn memes
aka Shield Ogryn who just STAYS THERE, holding the shield and do nothing (like literally afk in place)
lone matrix
knife is fun, it's just idiots who create bad image for it
i would use one if i could find a GOOD one...
ember yew
i've seen a lot of those (Ogryns)
vale lark
i hate those ogryns
i tell them their dumb then leave to find a game with 3 teammates and not 2
lone matrix
aka Shield Ogryn who just STAYS THERE, holding the shield and do nothing (like l...
i used the shield to slam all enemies around with heavy attacks with bleed
vale lark
the correct use ironically
lone matrix
until i find the mace mk3 which does more damage
ember yew
and the next one to that would be Hammer Zealots who don't focus/oneshot bosses
why then use hammer in the first place
lone matrix
i see hammer as a dedicated monster killer
ember yew
it is, the most powerful thing
lilac bone
There should be no meta. Anything should work if paired with a complimentary weapon.
vale lark
if im not using thammer i usually bring bolter for monsters
lone matrix
if im not using thammer i usually bring bolter for monsters
heavy sword with bolter
impale the crushers
ember yew
There should be no meta. Anything should work if paired with a complimentary we...
Technically, there's not, many weapons are viable for Auric/Maelstrom, there's just some garbage weapons rn, overnerfed or suffered after October rework
vale lark
heavy sword with bolter
i do enjoy that loadout
lone matrix
bolter is sometimes to inacurate even with rightclick for my taste
lilac bone
Technically, there's not, many weapons are viable for Auric/Maelstrom, there's j...
You bet, it's probably the best balance we've had yet.
vale lark
it takes alot of practice to right click without huge delays in shots
ember yew
You bet, it's probably the best balance we've had yet.
Yeah, but overall that was a good change of things
online increased from like 3000 daily to 15000+
on Steam alone
god knows how many plays on Xbones
lone matrix
i hope they bring more range weapons out for zealot
vale lark
i want the melta
ember yew
there's a leak for Melta gun
vale lark
it better beable to oneshot crushers
lone matrix
melta?
ember yew
but we dont know if it will happen or not
vale lark
thats the whole deal
vale lark
yeah theres a leaked banner for the melta
aswell as a one handed mace and a two handed chainaxe
lilac bone
god knows how many plays on Xbones
It's sort of weird for a V1 player. It's a much bigger game. Fatshark has actually learned something and I'm pretty happy with it. I hope it goes Payday 2 -- and bigger.
lone matrix
evis mk15 is my fav weapon on zealot
vale lark
i havent used it a bunch but from what i have its very good
i loved krubers executioners sword
lone matrix
it is really simple to use
light attack horizontal hoard clear, heavy attack strike down
vale lark
very similar to hsword but you sacrifice the quick heavies for the ability to kill anything with them
lone matrix
heavy attack is 90% of the time headshot
vale lark
hsword sucks on armor
lone matrix
very similar to hsword but you sacrifice the quick heavies for the ability to ki...
i use only the mk9 heavy sword
vale lark
im not sure which mk i use but its the falchion looking one
lone matrix
but i agree that it is bad against armor
vale lark
i wish the messer looking one was better
vale lark
yeah thats the one i like
lilac bone
hsword sucks on armor
That's the point, anything poor in one area is prolley designed to be balanced by using another weapon.
lone matrix
else they would have put as a possible blessing on it uncanny strike
then you can deal easily with everything beside monsters
evicerator is meh against ragers
vale lark
its fine for one but groups get scary
i love crusher as it makes groups of ragers easy af
vale lark
it can do pretty good damage to ragers and even crushers
not the fastest weapon but it can deal with almost everything
id say monsters is its main weakness
lone matrix
say hello to bolter or mk5 autogun
ripe quest
There should be no meta. Anything should work if paired with a complimentary we...
It's currently the case for Zealot's melee weapons. Complimentary build and ranged weapon will make any melee weapon work, even our worst ones. Similar case for ranged weapons kinda but certain outliers are a bit too much making other stuff less viable.
A thing that really skews it though is player skill level, which is annoyingly hard to balance around.
We've had players running strictly off-meta stuff or even just like, a nerfed loadout for fun or preference and still carrying games.
ripe quest
hsword sucks on armor
It sucks specifically for Carapace yeah. Best you can do is special spam for it.
lone matrix
alternate special with heavy attack
ripe quest
For Carapace it's just special spam.
vale lark
alternate special with heavy attack
yeah i found that to be most damage aswell
the top heavy and special alternation does a tiny bit more damage
ripe quest
On Maulers it'd be reasonable to mix in heavies, since the cleave actually matters.
ripe quest
the top heavy and special alternation does a tiny bit more damage
The SA strictly does more damage.
lone matrix
first heavy attack of mk9 is strike down
vale lark
ive tested it in the psykhanium it definitely does more damage
lone matrix
it is a bit faster
lone matrix
wtf
lilac bone
We've had players running strictly off-meta stuff or even just like, a nerfed lo...
It's always been like that though. There are -- absurdly mechanically skilled players. They'll run white weapons and beat the hardest difficulty. It's a thing.
cerulean moth
lilac bone
We've had players running strictly off-meta stuff or even just like, a nerfed lo...
In some ways that is sort of what breaks meta. It's good game design that allows "sub-optimal gear" to play effectively enough to be effective for optimal players. Game design that is actually (hopefully) smarter than the player base (me).
cerulean moth
ill break YOU
lilac bone
Yeah. It's what gets nerfed. Trust me.
subtle cedar
but i do agree that gap between the best and worst melee weapons is way smaller for zealot than it is for other classes
IMO at least
lilac bone
V1 and V2 -- you could run "meta" and watch someone running suboptimal stuff cruise through a level -- on skill alone.
thorn flicker
We've had players running strictly off-meta stuff or even just like, a nerfed lo...
running on-meta all the time is stale and repetitive, gotta switch it up and make things more interesting
thorn flicker
i still wanna figure out a viable build that uses boltgun for CQC
ripe quest
first heavy attack of mk9 is strike down
Oh I found where the confusion is. SA Block Cancel is faster than H1 SA, not just pure SAs.
cerulean moth
martyr tac axe ❤️
ripe quest
It'd be ~5-6% faster to SA BC.
subtle cedar
you are a freak
nowhere near as bad as you might think cos it gives tac axe heavies enough damage to 1 tap all the mob enemies to the head
so brumo can kick in
cerulean moth
I like it
subtle cedar
and give you actual cleave
ripe quest
Oh I found where the confusion is. SA Block Cancel is faster than H1 SA, not jus...
@vale lark
lone matrix
Oh I found where the confusion is. SA Block Cancel is faster than H1 SA, not jus...
ok that makes sense i thought about not canceled once
vale lark
didnt even know you could cancel it tbf
cerulean moth
ill cancel YOU idiot
lilac bone
I don't really think Darktide is that different. Anything you love is probably garbage compared to someone who can really play the game well. You haven't really played the game until you've player with someone so damn good at it that it is mildly confusing.
cerulean moth
GRAAAAAHHHH
ripe quest
didnt even know you could cancel it tbf
They did something, or people are just discovering it now, but a lot of stuff gets better with BCing.
Mk II Evis can get nutty with it
vale lark
oh yeah i think i accidentally do block cancels with evis and crusher as the block attacks are pretty good for those weapons
lone matrix
didnt even know you could cancel it tbf
did stuff like that in vermintide...
ripe quest
It's a bit different to QQing since before, certain weapons like Evis would genuinely prefer H1 QQing. Currently I think the spammiest example I've seen is that SA BCing thing.
lone matrix
i did blockcancel in vermintide to reset weapon chain and qq was bit to risky for me
cerulean moth
honestly not to sure what to think about new evix
ripe quest
In some ways that is sort of what breaks meta. It's good game design that allow...
It's currently why I try not to label stuff as specifically "the meta". I find it's better to rank stuff on how universally applicable it is, or just compare it to other options. If I'm basing a tier list on my own biases a lower skill player may not get an accurate tier list for them. My standards for what's viable are extremely low rn since the difficulty is literally just disabler spam rn.
royal vortex
I saw a guy using a QQ cancel macro on the new eviscerator today
the chad move is doing l1l2l3 block cancel to avoid the l4
ornate bone
The lights are a bit slow and the heavies getting that shitass fucking delay after the first one really tilts me
But it's pretty neat otherwise
thorn flicker
honestly not to sure what to think about new evix
no think, only chop enemy in half like tree
royal vortex
i am in general fucking sick of the weapons with the god awful block delay
the shield is one of those really bad culprits because you can't cancel out of a swing
ripe quest
i am in general fucking sick of the weapons with the god awful block delay
Hopefully Crab saying it should be gone means well.
royal vortex
so you will one-shot a silent poxburster that turns around a corner
as you release a swing
and its just like I CANNOT REACT IN TIME
MY CHARACTER IS TOO STUPID
but ppl blame me for it 
I TRIED
TRUST ME
thorn flicker
MY CHARACTER IS TOO STUPID
i mean, canonically true
royal vortex
it's actually super annoying on shield too
because the chain h1 -> block -> h1 repeat is super smooth u just can't do it early enough to stop yourself from griefing
lilac bone
It's currently why I try not to label stuff as specifically "the meta". I find i...
There are folks who have gotten bored of Darktide -- because it isn't hard enough. Peeps ain't soloing this game like V2 -- right now they are working on duos. Peeps will get better at it -- and with hilariously trash weapons. The ceiling for tide games is and will always be mechanical skill at the game.
thorn flicker
i wonder if we'll get a new difficulty level added in a future update as happened with vt2
ripe quest
so you will one-shot a silent poxburster that turns around a corner
Also I have picked up on some of the input dropping stuff that was being talked about. Didn't experience it prior to when it was mentioned, had a few games that would just be like "yeah you'll be punished for attempting to use your ranged weapon in melee range now" and I have to spam my melee swap key.
royal vortex
Also I have picked up on some of the input dropping stuff that was being talked ...
its super bad on brautos in specific contexts
ripe quest
I coincidentally was running Martyrdom each and every time it happened though so it wasn't too rough.
royal vortex
oh hey u wanted to swap to the crusher and block to do a push attack
HAH
YOU'RE BRACING
GOOD LUCK
fucking HATE SWEDISH PEOPLE
RAAAAAAAA
i am actually being punished for my favorite loadout being this combination of weapons
ripe quest
I think I've had it so far on just Boltgun and IAGs, Brautos haven't done it yet for me.
royal vortex
i get it on brautos all the fkin time
but its specifically because my go-to "get this guy off me" is swap to crusher and push attack
i'll just put ads and block on different keys
this will fix it
maybe ill get a jsat foot pedal
ripe quest
Oh Flamer too.
ripe quest
This clip I was memeing about earlier I got caught by it
royal vortex
@south folio look at what you did
ripe quest
I was just spamming my melee button I panic ulted for the stagger
ripe quest
<@297182781346152448> look at what you did
Best of both worlds, 4 polys max per model + bleed knife user.
royal vortex
lmao
thorn flicker
Also I have picked up on some of the input dropping stuff that was being talked ...
i think there is actually an intended mechanic that if you're doing one action it locks you into that until some timeframe ends, i don't recall if there are settings in dt for it but in vt2 there's a setting where you can basically queue up actions and the game will then run them in order
royal vortex
i think there is actually an intended mechanic that if you're doing one action i...
yea its just kinda fucked rn
because u will get stupid stuff where the game prioritizes a very bad action
on top of it deciding to eat inputs and deny you a swap
thorn flicker
yeah that's always been the case, i can remember many times years and years ago in vt2 where i would die because the game said "oh, you wanted to swap weapons? too bad"
ripe quest
I wonder if it's in the config somewhere
royal vortex
but there's also like
the server just being an asshole
even if you're on fine ping it'll be like u didn't ACTUALLY do this action
i get my dodge rollbacked TWICE
the enemies are respondin normally
the ai director just decided it was time to die
ripe quest
I'm so glad I've dodged this by just soloing for a while, maybe they'll fix it soon and I just need to occasionally deal with it for a week or two. 
royal vortex
there's a crab clip where he's i think using deadshot and ADSing but his stamina keeps flickering back and fourth by 1-3% instead of actually going down
ripe quest
Oh that's just the crab buff 100%
royal vortex
ive been gaslighting myself
into being like
my internet is shit
and it is
but boy does this game also just do the weirdest stuff
cerulean moth
Hopefully Crab saying it should be gone means well.
grab also said I would be HAPPY
and that shit DIDN'T happen
ripe quest
You gotta sift through the crab filter to find the true meaning.
royal vortex
also i would take the stuff crab says as an indication of possible change and nothing more
fs is 1 slow and 2 sometimes does not listen
like with survivalist
ripe quest
Crab likes to hide little bits of info about stuff in his messages so I'm sure something will come up. Prior to P13 I picked up on some of it and it was literally just hints as to what was coming with the update.
But everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Season your crab n whatnot
royal vortex
TRUE
meager turret
Who crab
ripe quest
TinyAngryCrab, respected player who's currently a playtester.
He left the server a bit ago to take a break from it.
royal vortex
when the world needed him most he vanished (took a break from darktide)
fading vale
crab on bolter taxe vet yesterday
royal vortex
truly legendary
ripe quest
Oh is that the Tanner list
fading vale
yeah lol
ripe quest
Do you have the full one I want to look at it again
royal vortex
tanner said headshots don't matter unless u use a mid weapon like revo
and he's a columnus iag stan
royal vortex
his words not mine
fading vale
I don't have the original one, just took a couple screenshots
meager turret
royal vortex
it saddens me the ppl who are allowed to upload videos
meager turret
he also doesn't understand how rending works
What does he think it does
cerulean moth
well how about YOU make a tier list then
royal vortex
what he thinks is that it reduces the "armor value" of stuff like flak/carapace which is a completely invented system
royal vortex
and that it's "only good against carapace and in large amounts"
sage river
This would be good if it was another version of the sword eh?
royal vortex
way too sure of himself for a guy who makes it clear he didn't understand what he's talking about within 30 seconds
no thats p good
ripe quest
All three Hswords are solid.
meager turret
Wtf is “HAG”
fading vale
BAG
ripe quest
This would be good if it was another version of the sword eh?
CT is a teeny bit low but that'll be more than fine.
Good 1st perk too.
fading vale
C tier vraks 3 and brautos
royal vortex
brautos on the same tier as autopistol
sage river
D TIER LASPISTOL
Are you telling me that's a good weapon?
royal vortex
autopistol being BETTER than laspistol
royal vortex
Are you telling me that's a good weapon?
laspistol is one of the strongest ranged weapons rn
sage river
Have I been lied to this entire time about the laspistol still being weak?
Wait the green one or the hard hitting one
royal vortex
yes
fading vale
laspistol used to suck, but since patch 13ish it's been quite good
royal vortex
both of them are good the new one has recoil that can make u hate it
ripe quest
The Mk II is super spammy and the Mk X hits hard
royal vortex
the kant laspistol is comical on a sharpshooter vet build
ripe quest
It really is just a tiny Mk XII Lasgun
meager turret
Aren’t handguns miniature guns in general
lilac bone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78OgSqyYcz4
There we go. Everyone go play knife only now. Or just play whatever you enjoy.
royal vortex
but like unironically thinking an autopistol and laspistol are anywhere near each other in terms of strength
oh man
ripe quest
It really is just a tiny Mk XII Lasgun
Guess if it's a XII Lasgun or a Mk X Laspistol.
subtle cedar
Wait the green one or the hard hitting one
II works with any critty build, X is basically designed for the vet spend stamina for crit chance while aiming node
fading vale
Bruh I've watched like 3 minutes and dude hasn't aimed for a single head
subtle cedar
so crit zealot uses the mk II lasp
fading vale
it's so painful watching people use knife and not aim at heads
royal vortex
that really is some stuff bringing a flesh tearer knife to scab melee only without uncanny
fading vale
I am begging the weather gods, I would like to be able to leave my house and go to the store today
ember yew
cerulean moth
im guessing new knife just shits on old knife in every way
if hes using it in that video
royal vortex
flesh tearer lacerate
ripe quest
but like unironically thinking an autopistol and laspistol are anywhere near eac...
They have super different use-cases tbf. SAP is still really solid for Maniac DPS checks, Laspistol will be more generally applicable. I wouldn't put them super far from eachother.
subtle cedar
eeeh
ripe quest
im guessing new knife just shits on old knife in every way
Not really.
subtle cedar
laspistol is extremely good at anti-flak and is significantly better at range
for dealing with shooters/gunners
cerulean moth
shut the flak up
ripe quest
mhm, I said Laspistol would be more generally applicable.
I'd probs put it like, 1-2 tiers below if it were a tier list.
vestal coyote
I need more plasteel to get to orange, but
When I get there, what do you guys think I should do with this baby
ripe quest
The braced has really solid performance, will do a lot of burst damage. He likes Columnus IAG so it's no doubt in my mind he'd like the Graia the most.
south folio
buff agri brauto by giving it 10 cleave
fading vale
does graia brauto still have terrible range
south folio
maybe 50
ripe quest
does graia brauto still have terrible range
I don't think so. Has the same ranged damage falloff as the other Brautos.
fading vale
I recall the brace fire being good out to like, 5 meters
subtle cedar
i recall the graia just not being worth using over other brautos, but he's put it an entire tier over the others
ripe quest
It blooms a bit but it settles really tight.
ripe quest
I'd put them all in the same tier probs.
subtle cedar
columnus IAG being S tier is understandable for me
but IMO it -probably- goes columnus first, agri slightly behind, graia further behind
vestal coyote
Clearly I interrupted something lol
ripe quest
imo Columnus is the worst of the three Brautos. Not by a lot, just doesn't have a lot going for it beyond the Unarmored damage thing w/ Fury of the Faithful.
Fatshark likes setting up ranged variants with like, highest DPS highest per shot and highest totals and they gave highest DPS and totals to Graia and highest per shot to Agri
subtle cedar
huh, from what i'd seen it can match up pretty well to agri in terms of dealing with all the different targets while also having better accuracy
spare talon
I need more plasteel to get to orange, but
Idk carapace breakpoints for the evis, but I know that Las blessinv you'd swap to rampage if it isn't what you get
royal vortex
the graia iag isn't significantly worse than the agri
spare talon
Wow thanks discord mobile that's definitely what I tiluped
vestal coyote
Yeah I figured I'd keep Flak and change carapce to something like maniac
spare talon
FUCK
ripe quest
the graia iag isn't significantly worse than the agri
Talking Brautos
spare talon
IM NOT STAN
vestal coyote
Cross the blessing bridge when I come to it
royal vortex
the columnus is mostly meta because ppl like the higher dps at close range particularly vs flesh targets
vestal coyote
Just need to run a mission
royal vortex
Talking Brautos
im p sure cookbook wasn't when he said "but IMO it -probably- goes columnus first, agri slightly behind, graia further behind"
subtle cedar
im p sure cookbook wasn't when he said "but IMO it -probably- goes columnus firs...
i was
royal vortex
who told u the columnus brauto was the best
i have never actually seen someone have this opinion thats a first
cerulean moth
Me
spare talon
Yeah I figured I'd keep Flak and change carapce to something like maniac
See but since it's a chain weapon carapace might be a decent perk on it for Rev attacks
But I don't know any of the carapace breakpoints since I don't use chain weapons, so I wouldn't change it yet until someone who does let's you know
subtle cedar
i'd just seen some damnation clips and did a mild bit of testing, but i don't have a good columnus brauto to really do a proper comparison so i didn't go that far
south folio
josho's fault, probably
subtle cedar
i just had the impression it was either on par or only very slightly behind agri in terms of damage output against all targets while having slightly better DPmag and quite a bit better accuracy
royal vortex
well it depends what class u use it on
ripe quest
huh, from what i'd seen it can match up pretty well to agri in terms of dealing ...
They all have about the same ranged performance. Graia falls off a tiny bit since the braced on the Brautos usually has better burst accuracy, both fire modes on the Graia are settled accuracy instead.
subtle cedar
this was a while ago tho, haven't played in a bit
vestal coyote
See but since it's a chain weapon carapace *might* be a decent perk on it for Re...
Yeah I've never actually ran with carapace on any of my eviscerators either
royal vortex
because with dance of death u just shoot a target at any distance
and they get laser beamed
vestal coyote
so I can't say I've noticed some significant bonus to it or something
royal vortex
the niche i want for brauto is to be like
the "close and kill" brauto
columnus brauto
im stupid
the graia has the cool braced thing where its like u pull it out right in a guy's face and u just hold the trigger
and then the agri is like the Big Fuck You Gun
and the columnus kind of just like exists
like it does fine because zealot will literally just ignore a stopping power stat vs flak targets with chastise
since it degrades flak to unarmored
subtle cedar
i mean, i don't often go for dance of death cos i don't run TWBS thaaaaat much
royal vortex
and the rof stuff means the dps on any brauto is good but it doesn't quite have an explicit purpose just some soft factors that make it fun
subtle cedar
especially if i'm using a brauto
royal vortex
i will never take off twbs unless they make the talent completely useless
ripe quest
They could change up the ADMs a bit so the Columnus has like, Maniac burst damage superiority too.
Give it a niche to fill
ripe quest
royal vortex
it is a copy of a different gun that either does it better or does it worse
ripe quest
But columnus is just shredder and big
royal vortex
what i think u do is give it the best moving accuracy
ripe quest
can't be creative with it
royal vortex
especially while unbraced
so like the idea is if u wanna boomer shooter ur way through a crowd of guys
the columnus is what u do
subtle cedar
i don't feel like i need TWBS unless i'm using a very slow melee like Thammer and/or i'm running a ranged weapon that can't deal with shooters at a distance effectively
royal vortex
but u have to make it noticeable enough that ppl pick up on it
i mean ranged knockback in this game is just cancer and im not putting up with shit like a single shooter knocking me out of a chastise charge
thats a gameplay mechanic i am simply refusing because it feels awful
royal vortex
so like the idea is if u wanna boomer shooter ur way through a crowd of guys
and then to not make the autopistol and columnus literally the same gun u already have the stagger
u can work around the autopistol's blessings too
it can be a crit gun kind of
ripe quest
That'd probs be a good idea yeah. I wouldn't mind if the Agri Brauto got a slight hit to it's moving accuracy and the Columnus got a bit better with it.
royal vortex
the caveat here is it only really makes sense if u buy in to the other stuff crab says he wants which i do in the hypothetical optimal josho darktide
just shift some of the finesse bonus to crits and then make a ranged crit like, actually do something
(for the autopistol)
royal vortex
That'd probs be a good idea yeah. I wouldn't mind if the Agri Brauto got a sligh...
yeah i mean like
south folio
🙂
south folio
esp with the cleave advantage that it has over the others
royal vortex
the columnus should be THE hipfire brauto
cerulean moth
arco what the fuck are you doing here
ripe quest
Arco has a home here.
south folio
i have very little incentive to brace because of the time it takes to enter a brace
cerulean moth
me and arco got beef
south folio
i saw a brauto discussion and i'm on a brauto grindset right about now
ripe quest
me and arco got beef
Womp womp
royal vortex
i have very little incentive to brace because of the time it takes to enter a br...
its the time and the relative lack of incentive
cerulean moth
insane beef
royal vortex
mittins if ur reading this i am very offended that u just called me a scrambled egg
royal vortex
the agri brauto also has a zoom on brace
which i only noticed after playing the columnus
because it genuinely made me fkin sick
i recoiled physically
ripe quest
If they swapped the dynamic of the braced and hipfire + made it more extreme for the Agri I think that would get the desired effect.
royal vortex
i also think
ripe quest
Hipfire is good for tapping, blooms wide. Braced settles tight.
royal vortex
they should juice the suppression on the columnus
but thats basically irrelevant because nobody actually cares about suppression
ripe quest
Well it's kinda like the base handling of the weapon. Super passive but absolutely affects the feel of a weapon. If it had little suppression and you tried to Run & Gun with it you'll get the usual 'shooters just keep shooting you' thing.
If it had enough to at least give an edge on shooters and stalkers to allow it I think that would suit it.
royal vortex
the thing is it gets p nebuluous when u start changing numbers
i think i spelled that word wrong
im doubling down whatever
like theres enough ppl who fkin HATE their gun suppressing stuff that idk if that would be perceived as an actual buff
ripe quest
Actually it kinda suppresses a good amount
Though it gives me an idea
goofy one
hipfire is a flat spray instead of a cone
specifically to hit cover lines better
royal vortex
unfathomably based
royal vortex
like the fkin mk6 ripper brace
lone matrix
idk why but i am not a fan of braced guns
thorn flicker
my meme build is slowly starting to become my new favorite, antax v actually has a lot of versatility
ripe quest
Meme builds are fun builds. I made an Agri Shotgun railgun build and it's one of my favorites rn.
thorn flicker
now i need to see if i can make it viable on damnation
ripe quest
Ah, the real challenge.
I'm sure if you get good with it you can Antax PA your way into Aurics.
ember yew
i want riposte dang
ripe quest
That's pretty set as-is.
ember yew
simply because 6 seconds is just permanent buff
and i want to test
if it applies to ranged weapon
too
if it is
its busted
ember yew
well uncanny does not apply (only to knife perk), so yeah
thorn flicker
I'm sure if you get good with it you can Antax PA your way into Aurics.
it would have been a pretty clean game except this happened #darktide-pics-vids message
ember yew
would be too good
ripe quest
it would have been a pretty clean game except this happened https://discord.com/...
tf is your team doing there lol
thorn flicker
uhhhh they were certainly one of the teams i've ever seen
ripe quest
You probs would've been fine if they baited the chomp swing followup
thorn flicker
or if one of the ogryn had stunned it (right?)
thorn flicker
well if it dropped me it wouldn't have thrown me lol
ripe quest
mhm
hard plume
but thats basically irrelevant because nobody actually cares about suppression
suppression slaps on braced autos 🤤
The effect you apply to enemies ofc, not the hell that gunners inflict on you
ember yew
on ag8 basic supression already really strong, you dont even need a blessing for it
hard plume
Very handy for when 40 lesser ranged enemies are shooting lasguns at you
ember yew
but it also really annoying when they duck behind cover (or just something) so you cant clear them all in one swoop
ember yew
well you can use this
carapace -> maniac
bloodletter -> rampage
if you want to
or you can even replace SS
clear knot
Cara can be maniac or elite, blood letter just needs to be swapped for rampage n ur eating
frozen glen
ur gonna botch it like all of ur dates
zealous basin
thats not true
!
all my other dates were weirdo sophisticated girls
this one is a proper degen just like me (still hot as hell tho)
||also not all of them were botched i just didnt end up dating them||
i can believe it but also im not doing that
our date is at midnight
so
rigid trellis
guys i have a date tomorrow im nervous
you got this I don’t know you but I believe in you and your ability to bed chicks
good luck
zealous basin
i will simply drink alcohol instead of caffeine
zealous basin
you got this I don’t know you but I believe in you and your ability to bed chick...
oh im goated im just also a freak
dont worry im very handsome and charming im just mildly insane
so its always a crapshoot
but also its always entertaining for everyone
hollow star
whats the best map to do that zealot penance with the low health and 15 min time limit?
hollow star
bet thanks
zealous basin
mf
im not about to get a girl drunk and be sober
and also my number one goal is to get fucked up ALWAYS
jolly bridge
im not about to get a girl drunk and be sober
no-one told you to get her drunk. just for you to not drink, lol
zealous basin
rigid trellis
whats the best map to do that zealot penance with the low health and 15 min time...
any assassination mission, if the orthus offensive works then that
jolly bridge
im posting cringe? you are the one being nervous to see a femail. karking incell
zealous basin
bro im doing casual banter in #zealot-class not encouraging bizarre rapey dynamics
the fuck is this
who asked u to be weird
here lemme just throw a note rq