zealot-class

[next crow]

Hmm I wonder if void shield damage counts for the holy revenant penance

[proud jackal]

cursed xD

[lavish flame]

Yep. If ur using chastise and planning to F crushers

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[lavish flame]

Then shattering is actually completely worthless fornu

Yep

[quaint verge]

its for chorus

which is why we are talking about shattering

[proud jackal]

no chastice, chorus 😟

[lavish flame]

Still mostly worthless

[ebon holly]

Not tonight, heading to bed, another time, am tired of my health not rising more

[lavish flame]

It stacks too slow

[next crow]

If it does, just load into twins damnation with an eviscerator, trigger the death defy and revved heavy on rinda shield and that should be like 3k damage which will instantly heal the max

[lavish flame]

Bolter has an innate 40% ADM vs carapace

[placid fiber]

Okay, it would only take like 5 minutes at the most tho. Since what we need is very easy to get early and would require very little brain work. Just thought I'd offer tho

[lavish flame]

So with shattering,

1st - 40%
2nd - 42.5%
3rd - 45%
4th - 47.5%
5th - 50%

Etc

[ebon holly]

Swear doing everything right since sword has rampage and headhunter, and it 4 am, need to sleep

[lavish flame]

Note this might be due to an unintended change

It used to be

1st - 40%
2nd - 45%
3rd - 50%

Etc

[placid fiber]

sigh I guess it's back to my Vet >.>'

[lavish flame]

Which is still kinda slow.

It reduces ur stk per crusher from 10 to 7 iirc

Which well... cavalcade probably will as well

Since crits double the damage of the bullet and have innate armour pen

[placid fiber]

uh... but headhunter is a blessing for guns >.>'

I think u mean headtaker

[proud jackal]

dang that knife animation cancel is niiiiice

kudos for that tip

[lavish flame]

Mhm.

Note for Vet its not Cavalcade but Surgical

I dont think Surg bolter works well on Zealot though

No support for that style of DMR play

[proud jackal]

yeeah surgical has never been a fav of mine anyways

[ember yew]

its okay if you want to preserve ammo i guess, but i want bolter to erase something like 3+ crushers instantly, for sniper experience we got better options

[proud jackal]

main reason I prefer the burst headhunter

[lavish flame]

Its better if u have other sources of crit boosts

Which... zealot doesnt have

[oak ermine]

Would Cavalcade not sometimes work better in place of Surgical for Vet, though? Say, if you consecutively shot multiple times in a row, without waiting for Surgical to stack?

[lavish flame]

Vet doesnt wanna do consecutive multiple shots due to how their talent tree works

They are able to 1 shot most enemies short of a rager with 1 bodyshot

And 1 shot ragers in 1 headshot with a bolter

Crushers can be 3-4 shotted

[polar nexus]

buuuuuuuuurn

[lavish flame]

So that way they can put off the lengthy reload and increase their kill rate by being conservative with ammo

Zealot cannot reach those BPs

So u spam more

[lavish flame]

The main talents that enable this are Deadshot, Reciprocity, Focus Target, Longshot and Precision Strikes

Unfortunately zealot just has nothing close to this in terms of ranged support for finesse and crit

Also zealot has dance of death, which dramatically improves bolter full auto

Vet does not

So their bullets go everywhere

[oak ermine]

Hm. Maybe Reciprocity is the missing element that I haven’t considered initially

[lavish flame]

Its just a really nice talent

If ur going deadshot pick it up

Ur taking DnD anyway so for 1 talent point free crit is free crit

Also bolter has solid finesse, so a zealot can laserbeam a crusher's head with a bolter full auto and cut the number of shots needed by half

@proud jackal I think with good practice and dance of death, a bolter on zealot should be able to 2 tap a flamer from 20m away.

Without adsing

You just need to get used to the vertical recoil

Cos DoD doesnt help with that

[proud jackal]

@quaint verge it was TWBS 😅

[proud jackal]

next match went sooo much better with

and bolter was smoooth with throwing knife cancels

[proud jackal]

I was doing this with crushers and deleting them 😆

[tidal spoke]

worth it for flesh tearer 4 ?

[hollow mantle]

You got the bucks

[tidal spoke]

yeah, i just dont know really what blessings for knife

on my knife atm i have mercy killer and lacerate

but ppl told me its not good

[random berry]

lmao i love how i can casually half health a boss on damnation

i heart ironhelm

[placid fiber]

Know what types of games fry my brain? top down shooters like enter the gungeon... trying to pay attention to the enemy's bullets, where I am aiming, etc... it just melts my brain sometimes lol

I mean it would be like if Darktide had the bullets moving towards you as a projectile and you had to actively dodge them while dealing with all the other bs Darktide has...

[plucky sparrow]

I feel that, I’m either hyper focused on where I am or where the bullets are I wouldn’t be able to focus on both

[placid fiber]

that and the fact I am a panic gamer makes it worse cause then I am more likely to lose track of something due to panicking >.<'

[plucky sparrow]

Get hit once and shit instantly hits the fan

[placid fiber]

That or I overcorrect trying to move out of the way of something

[prisma sigil]

I don't know how to post this picture and seem like I'm not flexing so

I'm flexing

[placid fiber]

tbh... the same thing happens with platformers as well :/

[south mortar]

That is certainly flexing

[plucky sparrow]

This is a robbery kindly hand over half of every resource

[prisma sigil]

HALF? But then I'll only have 55 thousand plasteel

This is outrageous

[plucky sparrow]

Fine you can keep 56 thousand but everything else is still half

[placid fiber]

The biggest flex I can do rn is post my 100% completed ror1 profile >.<'

[prisma sigil]

Fair

[prisma sigil]

I've never played RoR but I'm gonna assume this is wildly impressive

[prisma sigil]

👏

[naive star]

What is RoR?

[plucky sparrow]

Risk of rain

[placid fiber]

That and I suppose this, which is my best sniper run in Risk of Rain Returns. Which doesn't feature the artifact of command. <.<

I got da loot <.<'

only took me 219 minutes and 26 seconds to complete that run...

[prisma sigil]

I will also assume this is wildly impressive

Fabulous

[placid fiber]

Not really cause I hit the jackpot early and then hit a god run afterwards when I already had a ton of "momentum" as it were

[prisma sigil]

I've honestly been slacking on my Darktide

I want to 100% the penances but I've only been playing like 2 games a day

[tidal spoke]

nice fatshark xD

[faint cape]

that's not monsoon

[random berry]

educate me what am i looking at?

[faint cape]

no more hound

also I think he's out of bounds

[random berry]

well that makes it interesting

[tidal spoke]

whole team out of bounds

[random berry]

lmao what

[tidal spoke]

yeah 🙂 who doesnt love a good ol auric damnation maelstrom ending like that

[random berry]

looks at regular maelstrom, vent purge, waves of specialists, and snipers

on damnation, lol.

[blazing fossil]

I’ve been punted there by a mutie before

[hollow spindle]

yesterday i played a quickplay damnation game with 4 stealth zealots. we didnt make it very far

it was cursed

[tidal spoke]

haha yeah im been there now the third time but usually its just me alone not the whole ass team

[opaque hinge]

I am sorta at the point where I might start running into bursters, I quite like having 50% corruption, saves me having to dodge around medpacks all the time :/

[tidal spoke]

what perk to change ?

melee weak spot or crit chance

[opaque hinge]

both are bad dude

[tidal spoke]

i know

but i already changed a blessing so i can change 1 perk

[opaque hinge]

I would say keep weakspot coz at least that is consistant

[tidal spoke]

i had the same thought

[wheat topaz]

love hearing someone spam n-word in intro scene. really sets the maturity level

[opaque hinge]

Nurgle?

[faint cape]

shout out to the time someone was ordering chinese food with an open mic

[brisk raft]

Is that the byte of 87?

[misty raven]

Probably better than the dude on the phone sharing his credit card info

[remote valley]

Hello every my name is P O R T U G U E S E

[sharp zodiac]

He's so Portuguese

[brisk raft]

I thought his name was Welcome

[lavish flame]

Boolet to ze head

[sharp zodiac]

His title is Portuguese

Whereas his name is welcome

He likes to be referred by either

[brisk raft]

He also likes microphones

Very

Much

[remote valley]

Markiplier should play ciaphis cain in the warhammer show

[frosty herald]

It come with eggwuh

[prisma sigil]

I asked the randoms in my match what food I should get and they told me Pho

I said I didn't know what it was but I trusted them and ordered it

It was aight

[faint cape]

pho is delicious

[umbral kindle]

[steep flame]

truly ogryn gameplay

[umbral kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1092566487484604476/SlapOfOg.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1083402565590458368/Bonk.gif

[faint cape]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-40k-warhammer-ogryn-gif-8440002666976363995

[sinful widget]

so uhm, any way to make bolt gun viable on zealot?

[placid fiber]

Know when you want to use it, and um... make sure your melee is good...?

[faint cape]

I run to melee every special anyway

[sinful widget]

true

[keen silo]

is there a tutorial on how to do karnak on damnation?
it was so chaotic
at the boss
our ogryn dc'ed and we got to boss room,we started the boss with a bot for a teammate
psyker died immediately
and he was chained behind the walls??

[placid fiber]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but, I mean... bolter is viable if you know what you're doing

I think, due to the longer draw time, it is a bit trickier to use... but it still has uses

[sinful widget]

i guess what i meant to ask was if there was a way to make the bolter strong

cuz i would usually just default to revolver or mk5

[wraith helm]

Charge. And thats it

[placid fiber]

That's a question for someone who knows the bolter better, since I do not know how people use it nowadays

[wraith helm]

Admittedly, i would want to see a swap speed buff for it

[sinful widget]

we should be be able to skip the animation by shooting honestly

[wraith helm]

If only

[sinful widget]

i abuse q spam shoot on revolver so much

[tepid violet]

what blessings are good on the new knife?

[visual stream]

Some 10,000 year old cowboy gun when it kills a heavily armored freak of nature in less shots than a gun with literal rocket-propelled micro-grenades as bullets

[lavish flame]

Dance of death, cavacade, pinning fire

Aim for the head

[sinful widget]

thanks

[south mortar]

Using knife blitz also helps reduce the draw animation for the gun

[sharp zodiac]

The trapper watching a homeless crack addict rush her down moments before she launches her net

[sinful widget]

not really a fan of throw knife

[south mortar]

Fair, me too

[sharp zodiac]

Kinda wish we could hold them out as an alt, like an aiming alt similar to normal and underhand throws

Of hrenades

For farther targets

[sinful widget]

or make them retrievable

🤯

that way i dont eat up all of the ammo pickups for some dainty knives

[sharp zodiac]

I feel like in tertium trying to find those knives will be similar to finding the ONE Lego piece you need to finish the build

[sinful widget]

just make them glow on the ground i guess

or give them a shimmer

[lavish flame]

U get them back also by murdering elites in melee

[sinful widget]

u only get 1 tho so its not worth it tbh

it takes multiple to kill a single elite anyway

[wraith helm]

it takes only one for a headshot

[obtuse solstice]

how's this for a hammer build

[wraith helm]

Depends on what you plan on doing with it. marty is just generally meh so try inoxnorable judgement

[open echo]

Huh

Matyr can be very good

Especially with the right weapons

[tidal spoke]

Hey would scattershot be insane on kantreal shotgun if you shoot with your fire shot through a horde and then spam ?

[wraith helm]

Oh dont get me wrong, but riding on low health for that extra melee is just not worth doing on aurics and stuff. especially on a hammer

[open echo]

Ehhhh

[nimble fiber]

so uh, how do I know if the zealot in my squad wants a healing stim? or has low health on purpose

[wraith helm]

there are better options. Like a crusher, that felt good on a marty

[south mortar]

It requires a bit of skill for martyrdom for it to work

[open echo]

5 stacks is very safe tbh

[sinful widget]

tons of wounds

[nimble fiber]

aight tons of wounds = pls dont heal me thx

[plucky sparrow]

You can also just ask them next time you reach an elevator or other safe space

Or start of game

[muted vale]

tryied bolter, feels really powerful, but cant really reload it in heat of battle andi is damn slow xD

[open echo]

Large amount of wounds, if they only have a would left and will die if they go down, it’s worth giving it to them, also if they have requested heals In chat they’ll want to be

[plucky sparrow]

They can clutch on 99% corruption let them be fr fr

[south mortar]

This is just a recommendation

[open echo]

I’ve met some very unskilled matyr players lol

[south mortar]

Better for survivability with martyrdom

[nimble fiber]

aight bet

[open echo]

Why the dmg cd

[sinful widget]

true

[south mortar]

Low health more dmg

[obtuse solstice]

no backstab?

[south mortar]

Personally not with the hammer

[fading vale]

scattershot doesn't effect the fire spam and also scattershot already stacks based on the cleave list

[sinful widget]

sidenote, if i run hammer, then what gun should i use that isnt the mk5?

[open echo]

I’ve never found this useful

[sharp zodiac]

Usually my team just asks

[sinful widget]

true

[fading vale]

you will probably have issues generating toughness with this, also missing sustained not good

[random berry]

the crit cooldown reduction is way better

[sharp zodiac]

When I ignore the medicate they usually go "Ash you running Martyr?" And I'll make my answer known

[random berry]

i run martyr and still don't ignore medicae

i'd rather live to kill then risk death

[sharp zodiac]

I think it depends on what's about to commence

[random berry]

i go last but still

[fading vale]

here is my preferred hammer build except with backstab CDR

[south mortar]

Has been pretty helpful with my runs with a hammer

But personal preference really

[fading vale]

momentum is also nice for hammer cause it buffs dodges

[spare dome]

it should really mention that

[fading vale]

I run any of: zarona revolver, brauto, columnus IAG, flamer, kant and lawbringer shotty

[random berry]

and for some reason i wasn't running swift certainty

[open echo]

You don’t really want to be taking dmg after you reach the amt of stacks you want

[fading vale]

shotguns being my preference

[random berry]

i have rectified that issue

[meager turret]

It buffs dodges? And it doesn’t mention it?

[fading vale]

yeah

[meager turret]

Wait how

[fading vale]

here's the code

[south mortar]

Yep

[sinful widget]

thats cool

[fading vale]

20% dodge cooldown, 10% distance and speed at max stacks

[pale kelp]

Wild.

[meager turret]

Now that’s pretty nifty

[fading vale]

it used to be 60% dodge cooldown lol

[meager turret]

The wavedash keystone

[open echo]

There’s not really a reason to take it when you could grab things like this instead

(In my opinion)

[fading vale]

yeah the HP cooldown just kind of sucks

1HP is 1% cooldown I think, or 1 second I don't remember exactly

basically the only application is you take a big hit and have ult back

[open echo]

I thought it was only 1% per hit

[tidal spoke]

i wanna try out dclaw. Can someone look at my build and give advice ? I completely made my own skilltree for the first time xD so it probs be horrible

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0f50ab-9330-473a-a802-8f5d4e1c2418/test-54

[plucky sparrow]

Wait does this mean damage taken is immediate cooldown or how much missing hp you have gives faster cooldown?

[sharp zodiac]

I'll give it a thinker

[meager turret]

Immediate

[fading vale]

it's based on how much health damage you take

[sharp zodiac]

First off

I'd change the weakspot to maniac and wrath to shref

Since you're running blazing

And devil's claw is VERY good with blazing piety

[west schooner]

wtf is that build

[tidal spoke]

well xD i wish i could do that but wrath is the only thing i have for it so i put it to that. the other one i had was useless

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

[west schooner]

devil claw is good for blazing piety if u run crits

that is not crits

[sharp zodiac]

I'd also put on scourge for the blazing reason

[open echo]

Tbf I wouldn’t run relic dclaw (still valid tho)

[fading vale]

yeah you should be running crits on claw

[open echo]

You can be very silly with chatsie

[fading vale]

skip the top left, go right, get crit stuff

drop the relic upgrade to save a point imo

[sharp zodiac]

If you still want to go mid for the nade swap to purge the unclean

Instead of the one next to it

Oh and

For blazing go for the right nodes

Not the left

[fading vale]

yeah

[tidal spoke]

what is chatsie :3

[fading vale]

fury of the faithful

[south mortar]

Ability

[tidal spoke]

and thx for the advice. I just tried to build a really survivable build for the parry thing with d claw

[sharp zodiac]

Rushing in with guaranteed Crit on hit, attack speed for a bit afterwards

Something else too

Going for it will give you enough points to go for twbs

[fading vale]

claw with crits for relic spam seems like what that build wants to go for

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

[west schooner]

relic gives the worst survivability for zealot

[fading vale]

I'd probably throw shred on the claw over wrath as well

[sharp zodiac]

In that case seems like twbs won't be on the table due to the dispersion of nodes

[fading vale]

parry really likes to crit

[tidal spoke]

the parry thing can crit ? lel

[fading vale]

and like mentioned, never take weakspot or crit damage perks, they are terrible

[sharp zodiac]

I'd recommend not going for the plus one stam

And swapping the stamina curio

To another toughness one

[tidal spoke]

and what you mean with relic. im sorry for these questions but im not too long in the game yet

[south mortar]

Another ability

[fading vale]

the ability you chose

[south mortar]

The middle tree

[sharp zodiac]

No sweat

[open echo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0f5352-b1e9-45c3-83b7-65d2175d823d/dclaw this is what I run (this is kinda made for my playstyle)

[tidal spoke]

ooh really ? the worst survivability ?

[sharp zodiac]

Asking questions helps you get better and understand more

[tidal spoke]

i really thought stamina was really good so i can parry more

in like big horde situations

or with bosses

[fading vale]

idk I'm not a claw afficionado, idk if claw users run any stam

[sharp zodiac]

I don't

[south mortar]

Some do

[meager turret]

I did it once for a meme

[sharp zodiac]

Usually because the moments of parrying are spread out tbh, shouldn't be parrying every enemy

[fading vale]

also if you time parry it uses less stam right

[sharp zodiac]

I'd say ragers

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

Hell I think you keep a lot of it too

[open echo]

100+hrs using dclaw and I’ve never felt like I need it

[sharp zodiac]

So you don't lose all your stamina on parrying mauler or crusher overheads

[meager turret]

I was also testing the dclaw out in the psykanium and it didn’t seem like perfect parries affected stamina, even though it’s supposed to reduce it

[sharp zodiac]

If you HAVE TO

I say this because they may fuck up the timing

[fading vale]

the perfect parry window is fairly generous too, it's like 300ms

[sharp zodiac]

And eat a fat heavy

[south mortar]

I think they still deplete all of your stamina regardless of timed parry?

Crushers anyways

[meager turret]

I was comparing super early parries and perfect parries and they seemed to eat the same amount of stamina

[sharp zodiac]

I'm not sure on crushers but mailers you keep stam

[desert vessel]

Im running this with eviscerator and columnus, any suggestions?

[sharp zodiac]

Hah mailers, I meant maulers

[tidal spoke]

alright guys. thx for all the information 🙂

[sharp zodiac]

Np

[open echo]

I prefer knife tbh

[nimble fiber]

only 2 hours left and I can go home

[tidal spoke]

thx for the build. i ll try it out too after i did my own haha

[sharp zodiac]

I'm stuck working on this ugly dog /j

[fading vale]

looks good to me, would be nice to get sustained but hard to do with that distribution

[sinful widget]

tricky question, i currently run 3 +15% toughness curios, should i keep it that way and get some sprint/block eff. upgrades or swap for a +stamina curio and get toughness upgrades?

[fading vale]

don't run sprint and block efficiency

not worth

[sinful widget]

i see

[fading vale]

and also zealot doesn't need more stam

[open echo]

I run +hp +tghness and gunner res

[fading vale]

best thing you can put on your curios is hp toughness and gunner resist, could mix one sniper res in if you want

[sinful widget]

i see

[sharp zodiac]

Gunner res on all 3 for the maximum fuck you to them and their guns that cost 40,000 dollars to fire for 10 seconds

[desert vessel]

I wanted sustained too, but Id have to get rid of duellist( which I can do) but also, second wind, which I dont wanna

[fading vale]

and we usually recommend 3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 HP

[fiery ingot]

gunners are also snipers

because they'll still hit you if you're at the other side of the map

[fading vale]

yeah, so it goes, it's fine

[fiery ingot]

or maybe players have bullet magnetism

wouldnt be surprised

considering how my ammo always get almost full spent at the ogryn's backs

[nimble fiber]

just shoot with magic and it cant happen to u

[fiery ingot]

might as well

[wraith helm]

Sometimes i ask my fellow ogryns in-game if they ever have to wipe their asses of friendly bullets

[sharp zodiac]

The two sides of bullet magnetism

God I've posted this video too many times but it's still funny how that works in some areas

[fiery ingot]

one of the reasons im building a scattershot shotty on my vet rn is because currently, scattershot is bugged and it also counts on teammates friendly fire towards its procs, so ill have such a good time for the first time by playing vet with 3 brutes at my side

[fiery ingot]

ah yes the xbox pass

[wraith helm]

Always will remind me of halo 5

[tidal spoke]

how tf u hitting the enemy xD

[sharp zodiac]

I remember those times

[sharp zodiac]

Because in some places like the psykarium bullet magnetism makes no sense

Heavily inconsistent

Fucks with me tbh

[tidal spoke]

bullet magnetism is a blessing ?

[fiery ingot]

no lmao

[tidal spoke]

hmm

[fiery ingot]

im sorry

[sharp zodiac]

(no aim assist is off because I fucking hate that setting)

[sharp zodiac]

I wish lmao

But no it's just bullet tracking basically

[tidal spoke]

oh alright xD

[fiery ingot]

if i had bullet magnetism

id be pulling the vraks on my zealot

[nimble fiber]

why is it sometimes when an enemy is behind u, that u turn around automatically

[fiery ingot]

because i have a serious skill issue to shoot heads with that gun

when with revolver it is so easy

[south mortar]

Controller?

That’s probably why

[nimble fiber]

hm

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/its-like-magic-mom-broken-dreams-and-blocked-arteries-kind-of-magic-magically-gif-19833136

[nimble fiber]

but like is it the aim assist or what

[south mortar]

I remember a friend having the same issue on console

[south mortar]

Probably

[fiery ingot]

must feel like a mutant doing 180

[nimble fiber]

lol

[fiery ingot]

or the dog jumping backwards

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[fiery ingot]

the dog thing might be a desync or something related to latency but the mutant 180 is cursed and happened like twice to me

[south mortar]

I remember when mutants doing squats was a thing

[fiery ingot]

lmao what

they could use some leg work tho

[sharp zodiac]

No

I have aim assist off

But it is definitely a console thing

[nimble fiber]

and u still have the turn around thing huh

[south mortar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14jf9ga/get_in_shape_today_with_mutant_aerobics/

[fiery ingot]

fml i clicked in the thumbnail and its just a image

[fiery ingot]

LMAO

dude i passed away

[sharp zodiac]

Oh no not that

I thought you were talking about something else

[sharp zodiac]

Bro got unintentionally trellef

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-kanyevibe-gif-23816851

[fiery ingot]

the reddit got me

[south mortar]

RIP 😔

[nimble fiber]

probably would have happened 2 me too

[fiery ingot]

my cheeks are still hurting from that video

holy shit i need to take a breath

[naive star]

1 blessing set already, even though if its just tier I

Also, been shopping for two days, started at 300k

Guess i need to play the game too, instead of just checking from web browser extension good items to buy

[lone pecan]

[tidal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/tedlasso-yikes-gif-27201348

[fading vale]

it's weird how some blessings are either complete ass unless T4 or the tier doesnt matter much

like t4 deathspitter is what 6% more power over t1

[tidal spoke]

https://i.gyazo.com/0fa8118192547c997b1109c0392852da.png

decent

spend 600k yesterday on rashad axe

😦

to get 1 single decent one

[fading vale]

and deathblow/BM it's like.... why would you need more weakspot damage if you are already killing what you are aiming at

[lone pecan]

Did it stay decent or did robolady ruin it?

[tidal spoke]

well its aaaaalright

[pale kelp]

Surprised youre forgoing enduring faith, good balance, and scourge on the right. and anoint in blood and purge the unclean from the middle.

Personally would drop dance of death and thy wrath be swift for enduring faith, scourge and something else, maybe anoint in blood and purge the unclean?

(Do make note, your tree seems perfectly good, I am bad at the game, but those are the nodes I like)

[tidal spoke]

its usuable but not perfect in any way :3

[fading vale]

you don't run crit things for a non crit build

[desert vessel]

Im not running a crit build, so I dont need scourge, I find thy wrath be swift a necessary pick and more useful than anoint in blood and purge the unclean, cant afford the rest

[pale kelp]

Seems like a waste to spend 4 talent points for just thy wrath be swift?

[fading vale]

TWBS is the best qol node in the game

[pale kelp]

Ohhh thats fair, personally not fond of it! Gotcha

[desert vessel]

its not a waste though, useful things are on the way there

I can drop duellist, but I dunno what else id take thats better

[lone pecan]

Nothing more annoying than getting stun locked as a zealot

[tidal spoke]

did it stay decent in your opinion ? :3

[fading vale]

I loathe fatsharks player stagger implementation

[dense field]

Not picking TWBS is a skill issue.

[pale kelp]

Might cuz i just play pleb heresy, not a problem i run into

[lone pecan]

I don't know, I have no idea about combat axe builds, but it looks good, except for the second peek I guess?

[fading vale]

is a good caxe, unarmored is meh but whatever

[tidal spoke]

yeah i had to change 1 blessing so i have to take what i get. sadly good rashad axes are hard to craft

[pale kelp]

Myeah this is true, Id rather take the extra crit for eviscerator, but 15+ toughness and -5% toughness dmg is nuffin to sneeze at :)

[fading vale]

crit is not as good as you think it is, especially if you aren't running a crit build

[wraith helm]

One of these perks just feels like a blemish on this beauty

[desert vessel]

well eviscerator works well with a crit setup afaik, but I dunno, id rather run martyrdom and I like using the mk15 evis just generally

[fading vale]

most weapons use crit for cooldown

not for damage

[rose flower]

https://youtu.be/NPAzAzvSYVY?si=C5jOoTLo-EwHZvPk

Mankind’s weakest zealot vs Nurgle’s strongest BoN

(I just really like this video

[lone pecan]

Lower chastise cooldown equals more damage

[pale kelp]

Dunno, I like it for the -50% dmg taken especially with scourge seems like if youre mowing down hordes can have okay consistency

[pale kelp]

Myeahh the cdr is really nice

[sharp zodiac]

Garp

Garp narp

[fading vale]

sure the TDR is nice but also not trying to sound like an asshole or whatever, but if you get good enough you don't need extra DR

[pale kelp]

Oh yeah no offence taken im garbage dw 😄

Wouldnt the same apply to thy wrath be swift?

Or is it cuz thy wrath be swift stops thw snowball effect?

[dense field]

In other words, you'll get more value out of other nodes soon. It's not about you being garbage.

[pale kelp]

Of getting stuck in place?

[runic rune]

yall got any funny zealot names? making a new character and looking for divine inspiration 😉

[fading vale]

not really, depends on weapon somewhat, like for example hammer is virtually unusable without TWBS

[pale kelp]

I reckon both are true, but i appreciate the confidence boost :)

[fading vale]

and the enemy density and bullshit spam is so high in auric damnation+ it's just.... less fun without TWBS

[pale kelp]

EmperorsSpecialBoy

[pale kelp]

Ahhh that makes sense. I gotta keep this in mind, im a filthy knife user anyways so i wouldnt know about actually fighting enemies 😄

Cheers for the tips tho!

[fading vale]

let's say I want to bonk ragers, or a crusher in a horde, or anything in a horde - TWBS means I can trade hits and get my bonk off

no TWBS, stunlocked

no bonk

[pale kelp]

Is it really that bad? Goddamn

[fading vale]

it's the worst for hammer

you could get by on like, hsword caxe knife

otherwise you have to play far more passively

[pale kelp]

I really do gotta emotionally prep :D

[muted vale]

crucis vs ironhelm? just unlocked it, does ironhelm have smthing better? crucis seams pretty straightforward with light attack single target and heavy smash hordes xD

[fading vale]

for big single target on hammers it's always heavy special, lights are good for single target on smaller things

ironhelm does more cleave damage with special and the special cleaves so you don't have to aim

[dense field]

I've yet to discover the greatness in Ironhelm pattern.

[fading vale]

basically ironhelm is more for special spamming

but it does 25% less special damage than crucis

[flat marsh]

Ironhelm special can cleave through a horde to hit your special target

It's two birds one hammer

The attack patterns are more complicated as balance

[fading vale]

"complicated"

aka a pointless overhead

[flat marsh]

The recent change to make heavy 3 come after a push after special is really nice

[flat marsh]

Well, the horde clear loop is a bit more work to get to than crucis of just mindlessly doing heavy

Crucis is the epitome of braindead moveset of literally heavy everything

[fading vale]

that's not how you use a crucis well

[flat marsh]

Figuratively heavy everything

[tawny tangle]

Could do heavy light repeat but light is kinda dookie (ironhelm)

[flat marsh]

99% of the time, you heavy on crucis

[fading vale]

nope

[flat marsh]

Occasional push attacks for horde and rarely lights

[fading vale]

crucis all about learning when to use what and how to hit what you want

the lights are good

[violet hornet]

Light attack special on bulwark heads is the shit

[fading vale]

light special will kill many things depending on your current buffs, and light clears a lot of things faster than heavy

especially minor elites

[tawny tangle]

Lights on crucis are ok with enough damage buff stacks to 1 shot adds

[violet hornet]

Shotgunners, gunners, snipers, flamers, and bombers aren't worth a heavy usually

[fading vale]

like I can 1 shot headshot shotgunners with a regular light if I have my buffs up

[flat marsh]

I'd still say the vast majority is just heavy spam

[muted vale]

tryied meat grinder and crucis special light or special heavy seems good enough for beginner like me .)

[fading vale]

relegating crucis to heavy spam is why some people think it sucks

[flat marsh]

I still use lights and push attacks, but it's really predominantly heavy imo

[fading vale]

ironhelm is more for heavy spam

H1 H2 special repeat

[flat marsh]

I just do the light heavy attack loop

Usually for basic horde

[muted vale]

and how do you do special on last heavy or light attack which deals biggest 1 target dmg

is it possible?

[flat marsh]

Push after activating

And then heavy for your bonk

[muted vale]

will try ty .)

[fading vale]

special heavy on hammer is always the highest damage

[flat marsh]

They added that with a recent ish patch

[fading vale]

they are using crucis

[muted vale]

i meant it jsut increase dmg depending on attack u do

[flat marsh]

Iron helm is the better thunder hammer because H3 special heavy is way more satisfying

[fading vale]

the heavy on crucis special does far more damage than a light special

[flat marsh]

BONK

[muted vale]

sure, i was talking about iron one, where last attacks deal massive 1 target dmg

[fading vale]

I'd much rather have more options to manipulate a horizontal than a limited heavy overhead

[muted vale]

thought i could enhance that

[flat marsh]

Yeah the push thingy I mentioned

[fading vale]

the highest damage is the heavy overhead special yes

[muted vale]

tryied many times, doing nothing at all xD probably doiung it wrong

[fading vale]

it's like 15% more damage than the ironhelm horizontal

[flat marsh]

Special> push > heavy

Don't do a push attack

[fading vale]

which doesn't really hit any BPs afaik

[flat marsh]

Just a normal push

[flat marsh]

Probably more useful for monster

[muted sonnet]

Yeah I was gonna say mostly for bosses

[flat marsh]

Even then, more damage is neat for team shooting if you can't hit the one shot

[muted vale]

how do i puish without defense and push attack?

[fading vale]

you don't need to push attack

just push

and then do a heavy

[flat marsh]

Just tap the attack and don't hold when blocking

That's how you do a normal push

It's faster and safer especially if you don't need the animation after

[muted vale]

ahh, ok, did that, still minimal dmg

[fading vale]

what do you mean minimal

special push heavy

and it should hit a special overhead

which is highest damage for ironhelm

[muted vale]

yeas does same dmg as special light, which is faster

[fading vale]

no

it does not

not even close

[muted vale]

did that 5 times, overhead attack, 376 dmg

[fading vale]

then you didn't land a special

[muted vale]

u mean it wore off so i wasnt fast enough? maybe

[fading vale]

a special overhead would never do 376 to any enemy

[muted vale]

did 733 now, to carapace ofc

[fading vale]

send a screenshot of your hammer

[muted vale]

need to say i am still leveling, lvl 16 xD

[fading vale]

ah

that would explain

just get more comfortable with the game, hammer will get a lot better at level 30 with the right blessings and perks

[muted vale]

light special is 376 and heavy overhead 733 rn, will try crucis on same target

[fading vale]

the weapon stats will significantly effect the damage

especially given you are low level with probably bad rolls

[viral hare]

crazy how different the game feels with low/high stat weapons

I feel like that’s a big barrier to people playing the game for longer

[muted vale]

crucis 478 special light and 796 heavy without need of push, probably better stats

[north sedge]

With similar stats the crucis heavy will be 25% more than ironhelm heavy

[fading vale]

you probably don't even know about thrust blessing, for example this is the highest damage hammer you can make and you do more damage when you charge a heavy for longer to build 3 thrust stacks

[fading vale]

yeah damage, pen, and first target all effect your damage

[viral hare]

got damn

And I thought I had a god hammer

[fading vale]

here's my 3 dead 550s

[prisma sigil]

Dam

[fading vale]

idk why but I only seem to roll slaughterer 4

[prisma sigil]

My engine of war

[tidal spoke]

what the hell dude xD

[fading vale]

TLDR I've only used hammer since November 2022

[viral hare]

Yeah I got a 380 with perfect perks and blessings but the stat spread is similar to the first one there

[wheat sequoia]

are some weapon blessings not available on the weapon store? Like can they not appear and you have to buy a grey and upgrade it to have a chance of getting it

[prisma sigil]

I kept momentum on my hammer because I liked the toughness

[viral hare]

I can’t complain though, I don’t have the luck to get something better

[fading vale]

what do you mean by blessing store

[prisma sigil]

And I only really use it for the one shotting bosses gimmick build

He means Brunts

[fading vale]

I mean weapon store

[prisma sigil]

He's asking if some blessings just won't appear already on a weapon

[wheat sequoia]

armory exchange next to hadron

[fading vale]

they have a chance to appear in the armory but, t3s and T4s are extremely unlikely to show up

[viral hare]

They’re much more likely in the daily shop

[wheat sequoia]

guess i have just been really unlucky

[fading vale]

the only way to get what you want is buying grays and upgrading them

and prayer

you might get lucky and find something in melk or from an emperors gift, but that's rare

[wheat sequoia]

yeah thing is i have tried that alot and i just simply dont have more plasteel to spend

[viral hare]

the true darktide endgame is finding out that it’s easier to get the plasteel you need than the money you need to buy grays

[fading vale]

I have like 30k plasteel and no ordos

also upgrading to gold has a much higher chance of t4

[blissful sinew]

this system is truly horrible

[viral hare]

meme idea hold on

[muted vale]

yours/100 is mine stash xD

[prisma sigil]

You got me beat

[spare dome]

im getting horrifyingly close to the ordo cap

wish i could just like

shove a couple million into the pockets of people in the mourningstar

[prisma sigil]

Buy the uh

[spare dome]

i have no fuckin idea what to do with them anymore

[prisma sigil]

The shitty cosmetics

[spare dome]

that was ages ago

[prisma sigil]

Wtf

[spare dome]

and all the weapon skins, too

[prisma sigil]

-5k???

[quaint verge]

My proudest moment in dt

Old mourning star latency with buy until rating mod

[olive raven]

good shit

[viral hare]

Basically my experience leveling all of my characters

[prisma sigil]

Idk how tf anyone runs out of ordos

[north sedge]

Brunts

[tidal spoke]

same lol

[prisma sigil]

You get like 50k from auric quickplay and some of the maelstroms will even give you 80k

[viral hare]

Bulk buying grays while also having zero luck

[spare dome]

quickplay into them, too

i legit cant spend it fast enough

but i also give zero fucks to waste my time trying to pick up 'god rolls' or whatever

[prisma sigil]

370+ is enough for me

[viral hare]

My problem is that I can spend 200k without getting something over 360 lol

[lone pecan]

Ain't that the truth, or it's over 360 but the roll is bad

[viral hare]

Rolled a 380 mk3 knife the other day, had 69% damage

Took that as a sign that fatshark doesn’t want me to roll anything else for my zealot lol

[open totem]

this 40yard grenade penace is a pain

how did you manage to do it

[tepid violet]

i threw a grenade 40 yards

[steel agate]

Ascender section on assassinate mission

[lone pecan]

Threw a grenade at every sniper I saw and eventually got it

[steel agate]

When ur waiting for it to work hordes love massing at the bridge

Easy nade yeet

Got both long bomb and buying time with that area

Mad handy

[wraith helm]

Honestly, I didn't know the Dclaw needed wrath to actually be where I needed it to be

Just feels like a heavy sword just without deathblow and can parry these casuals

[mystic ether]

Can also just high lob it with your right click. Idea is to turn the grenade into an anti-air artillery round.

When you get used to the fuse time on long throws, you'll have chances in huge parts of maps to just send it at an incoming horde or something. Oddly enough sometimes that works nicely with how the aoe knockdown works

[sharp zodiac]

I just got mad at a sniper and threw it at him

[spare dome]

i got it by tossing my nade at a sniper, and then dashing away twice in the opposite direction

[sharp zodiac]

Bam

[mystic ether]

Neat

Got a little bit left before I hit 30 on my psyker.

Class was fun to level with the new system. Still kind of figuring out how to play with high peril without venting shriek.

Sometimes I straight up just forget lmao

[sharp zodiac]

My tip is to give a threshold on when to start quelling

Usually mine is 92% or greater

[mystic ether]

I usually do like 80+ then tap it.

Or just flip between right click and quell on things like voidstrike.

And constantly holding down either.

I use my blitzes very frequently though is the issue at this moment. Have to curb that a lot.

[heavy arch]

Look up quell canceling on yt

[summer flax]

Are gameslantern builds good or should i find other source?

[obtuse solstice]

what's better, brauto or iag

[mystic ether]

They work usually, you do need to be mindful though of old builds. Some might be working off interactions that don't exist anymore or weapons and other shit that you can't use the same.

[fading vale]

they are usually kind of bad/misinformative but you can pick something and ask here

[mystic ether]

I'd say the better builds are the ones that breakdown the decision making for why and HOW they're applied rather than just throwing up numbers.

[heavy arch]

Lot of the builds there are straight up dookie

[buoyant sleet]

I'm building a Crusher ATM, rolled one with nice stats aside from 60% crowd control. Does anyone know how the crowd control stat works, what the break point is, if a 60% means the weapon is not worth using, etc?

[heavy arch]

And I’ve noticed a few are troll builds

[mystic ether]

Only builds I've actually held on to were like maybe three zealot builds but then I just did my own variation of the same thing.

[viral hare]

My best advice to anyone starting the game is to never copy a build guide

[fading vale]

60% CC won't break anything, but also read the crusher guide in pins

[buoyant sleet]

Thank you, yes I am reading the crusher guide

It just didn't mention anything about that particular stat so, came here to ask 🙂

[fading vale]

@royal vortex

[summer flax]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a647167-c392-4855-9d0b-6b1662470cd8/auric-maelstrom-heal-aura-spam-via-crit is this decent?

[buoyant sleet]

I just sent him a friend req on steam and posted my question on his guide as well, didn't know he was on here, thank you!

[viral hare]

Sustained assault and disdain are extremely good if you can somehow fit those in

[mystic ether]

All this works on paper and isn't too hard for me to image working decently.

Are you at auric play levels?

No snobbery, its just important to remember that your own ability to keep pace with what aurics throw at you will always effect a build performance, no matter how strong it is.

[open pollen]

For real, and I'm running 30% ordo docket gain

[dense field]

Disdain is not extremely good because it procs every other attack

[summer flax]

Na, im just looking for anything reliable to look at

[fading vale]

the talents are fine, toughness regen and sniper resist on curios nah, 2 toughness 1hp or 3 toughness curios are better, unyielding and cara on revolver is a no (flak maniac is better) , crit chance perk on evis is a no, savage is considered better than wrath as well

at most you want like 1 sniper resist, but gunner resist is the best resist

toughness regen speed is just ass on zealot

[mystic ether]

The main thing you're wanting to look out for in general is definitely build cohesion, which this has in its own right. Everything in this build is already wrapped up in feeding into itself and looping your hameplay to have your ukt and uptime regularly available.

This'll work for sure.

[left iron]

The evis is not great on that build. Savage sweep is better than wrath, and you get more out of rampage than shred, unless you really want to just spam your ability.

Toughness regen speed is not good on curios for zealot. I would switch the curios to 2 toughness/1 health, with gunner resist, health and toughness as perks on all of them.

The talents are okay

[viral hare]

Damage is damage, and with the sweeping heavies Tigris 2 has I’d say it’s worth having

[visual stream]

First emperor's chest and got my first red from it

[left iron]

Also no TWBS will hurt at some point when you're revving things

[mystic ether]

Most you can do is be more wary of when you're doing it. Not a bad thing, just nothing to ignore in the heat of things.

Thankfully Rev attacks are no longer commitments like they used to be.

[mystic ether]

What difficulties are you usually running?

[summer flax]

Heresy atm

[viral hare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0f82e9-4b69-42ee-bf25-cd6f7578f7d7/crit-cdr-newevis?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button usually what I run for Crit CDR (curios are preference, I like stamina/stamina regen)

[buoyant sleet]

@fading vale here's the crusher I just built-

[muted vale]

why my stun grenade range is so low??? cant do sniper achiev with it...

[meager turret]

are you holding rightclick

[lone pecan]

Are you throwing it underhanded?

[meager turret]

I would recommend leftclick

[viral hare]

noice one

[minor sage]

they're both good

both work quite well on vet

on zealot brauto is slightly better due to the class just lacking crit gun talents

to fix the issues with iags

[mossy scarab]

@fading vale I just wanted to annoy you with another ping.

[fading vale]

🙂

[muted vale]

whgen i saw video how to do the acheiv everybody can thorw far away... i cant with this crap...

[spare dome]

i climbed the highest peaks of terra to train under the guidance of a holy bomber monk

[lone pecan]

One throw is a normal throw and the other one is a short throw, left mouse vs. left + right mouse

[dense field]

play the tutorial again

[muted vale]

seems so, but i cant see the line

i see, u need to hold it, can u stow away on holding left?

[open pollen]

So, you think we'll eventually be able to see the inside of the spooky red church in the carnival? OH! And the distillery floor in the underground brewery. The one behind the metal fence? That totally looks like an assassination boss room or something.

[lone pecan]

You can switch weapon to cancel it and keep the grenade

[muted vale]

ok ty .)

[mellow horizon]

#veteran-class is being autistic; what's the other blessing that's supposed to go on a knife, Flesh Tearer?

[naive star]

Uncanny+Precog seems to be the Zealot meta

[mellow horizon]

How bout for Veterans?

[naive star]

Well my Veteran is lvl 3, he has not even unlocked knife yet

[olive raven]

Uncanny/Precog.

It is the highest damage possible

I'd swap

Lacerate to Uncanny

Run a crit knife

itll do nuts damage

swap weakspot to maniac or flak

and then your knife is sorta ok

[tidal berry]

ugh

[north sedge]

😬

[tidal berry]

this is the 5th evisc

[buoyant sleet]

for me, I could probably deal with the crit perk, swap out momentum and infested

[tidal berry]

I was planning to use this on a piety build anyway

still hurts

[buoyant sleet]

i got momentum 4 on one of my evis and I was like meh I'll just keep it and try it out, and its actually fine

[surreal solstice]

He didn't waste millions of creds and tens of thousands of plastlel yet

[tidal berry]

I mean

it might be fine

[surreal solstice]

It is okay

[tidal berry]

I'm tempted to just slap flakiac on this

[surreal solstice]

Not great, but okay

[tidal berry]

and call it a day

I have like 180 something toughness

[buoyant sleet]

it wouldn't be a terrible weapon tbf

[surreal solstice]

Reject flakiac
Embrace caryelding

[tidal berry]

I would but the maniac damage on this kinda blows without the perk

[surreal solstice]

Lol
Just rev it
Lmao

[sharp zodiac]

Rev it up even

[heavy arch]

Is there a mod to lower rev volume

[fading vale]

just turn the sound down and make the noise with your mouth

[tidal berry]

not very viable when there are 693 of them

I panic swing

[tranquil summit]

worth it to spend melk bucks just for a precog blessing on a dagger?

[frank night]

how much melk buxx do you have

[tranquil summit]

not many anymore but its not hard to earn

imma just do it

[olive raven]

always good to get a T4

[lone pecan]

How about spending melk bucks on random curios?

[olive raven]

no

[north sedge]

eh if you

you've got extra melks and need curios it's fine

its how i got my wounds curios for when i was trying marty

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[lone pecan]

I suppose I have extra, but that's because I don't know which t4 blessings are worth buying

[worldly bramble]

Me with my chainaxe against a mauler: "Mwahahahah, I can one-shot this guy, this build is amazing!"
Me with my chainaxe against 4 maulers: "I DID NOT PLAN FOR THIS" 🏃

[ornate bone]

Uncanny mercy killer is easy to proc and the vet already has other finesse bonuses on the tree, so it's even more incentive to hit the funny orange hitmarkers

[open pollen]

"Stagger is useless until its mandatory"

How much do ya'll agree/disagree with that statement?

[spare dome]

i mean

"[X] is useless until its mandatory"

seems like a fallacious shit statement mostly

[lavish flame]

Pffffft

[spare dome]

it's not very well qualified

[lavish flame]

Doesnt seem like a statement made in good faith

I can see the fuzzy goalposts

[spare dome]

i just see a bottomless pit

[worldly bramble]

Mmmm, shaggydog goalposts.

[frozen ibex]

[open pollen]

Hmmm, noted. Is there a way one might rephrase it? Or does the ambiguity prevent clarification?

[spare dome]

as a statement without any context it sucks

[lavish flame]

The point of the statement seems to be in its ambiguity

[spare dome]

if it's part of a bunch of other shit then that context matters

but by itself no you can't really rephrase it because it doesnt say anything

[open pollen]

Ah, you're right. Let me try and find the source.

[lavish flame]

In that it allows the defendant to basically classify everything into two buckets as convenient

[night roost]

It's from a tanner lindberg vid i think

[spare dome]

"Everyone sucks unless they are good."

[open pollen]

Aye, probably. Its been floating around my head these last few days.

Must have picked it up there

[lavish flame]

Basically any argument u make against it can be deflected back towards you

Because its vague

[ornate bone]

It's a very "I have nothing to say but want to keep talking" statement

[spare dome]

It's not worth engaging with, actually.

oh this guy

who clearly lives on the internet

[plucky sparrow]

I saw someone call him edgy Rick clone(yter completely shunned from both dont starve and tf2[zealot]) and he was mega confused

[spare dome]

i think a youtube comment positively described him as 'the ben shapiro of darktide videos' but i believe the positivism there is very misplaced

[lavish flame]

Now in the terms of good faith discussion.

Theres times where stagger is good, and times where stagger is bad

[open pollen]

Ah yep, it was from their last video. Strange, tis only 14 hours old. Feels like an eternity. I need to get more sleep

[worldly bramble]

My Zealot opinion about stagger is "Your enemy can't kill you when they're dead" 🤪

[olive raven]

lol.

[lavish flame]

Stagger is good on stuff like the eviscerator

[ornate bone]

The part where it says stagger is useless is meant to make a blanket statement about a mechanic without elaborating on why that blanket statement was made

[spare dome]

Just like everything else in this game, it's all about the breakpoints.

[lavish flame]

Stagger is not so good if ur using a volver

[plucky sparrow]

My psyker opinion is “Your enemy can’t kill you if you explode yourself”

[olive raven]

I'll always take more stagger

[lavish flame]

On zealot stagger generally leans towards good

[worldly bramble]

"You can't fire me, I quit!"

[ornate bone]

And the "until it's mandatory" is meant to deflect the criticism the statement would get

[lavish flame]

On Vet. Well...

[olive raven]

Stagger is good on everything tbh

[lavish flame]

Stagger can be blergh

At times

[spare dome]

Again, it's all about the breakpoints.

[sharp zodiac]

That guy is the equivalent of a kernel in your teeth

[olive raven]

On ranged idfk

[lavish flame]

Like if ur using a precision weapon stagger is a pain

[plucky sparrow]

[ornate bone]

It's like a shield that the person can use to say "ah, but I didn't say it's useless, I added an equally vague condition to my vague statement"

[worldly bramble]

Don't you dare bring debugging into this!

[olive raven]

Revolver stagger still matters

[frozen ibex]

I take extra stagger on weakspot hit with certain weapon and build.

[olive raven]

I can use it to save a teammate against a crusher

[lavish flame]

Recon las is the big one.

Dump collateral. HARD

[ornate bone]

And then the problem with tackling arguments like these is

You can't say anything

[lavish flame]

The higher the collateral the worse the recon gun

[ornate bone]

Because there's nothing that was said

[open pollen]

I was of the personal mindset that stagger is a consolation prize for things you can't kill outright. Like yeah, if you can't kill it fast enough, stagger's great.

[ornate bone]

How do you address a nothingburger?

How do you address something the person never said?

[olive raven]

Stagger is always good imo

Prevents enemies from hitting, certain blessings deal more damage with it, etc

Stagger is splendid on a shotgun

[lavish flame]

On vet it disrupts the followup second shot. Which is the annoying part

Although vet can also 1 tap crushers with volver

[olive raven]

#zealot-class

dnc abt vet, fuck vet

[lavish flame]

Sooo

[olive raven]

deadass

[spare dome]

I don't have concrete examples in mind, but if taking weakspot stagger helps you, say, stop a Rager combo with your weapon, then it's worth it. But if taking or not taking it has no measurable impact (heh) on your impact (HEH) then don't bother.

[ornate bone]

Things like that are essentially people just telling others they don't want to discuss, they want you to accept their view and shut up

[worldly bramble]

Note to self: look into volvers.

[ornate bone]

I'd know because I am like that

Except I explain shit in painful fucking detail

[worldly bramble]

I mean, rn I use a shotty... I think it works but I really gotta nail a headshot if I don't want the crusher to roflmao at me.

[spare dome]

A lot of people tend to take extra stagger on weapons that already throw enemies all over the place and you really don't gotta do that.

[olive raven]

Zarona, Flak+Maniac, Hand Cannon+Surgical

Have fun 1-4 tapping everything

[spare dome]

And on something like a knife, 200% extra impact on a weapon that has almost zero impact is still nothing.

[open pollen]

The video in question also mentions different "levels" of stagger. Can anyone explain this to me? Or perhaps point me to a better source?

[spare dome]

(Crusher is exempt in this weapon example because your choice of Blessings means you're gonna have it anyway)

Stagger levels was a VT2 thing

[olive raven]

I mean

[lavish flame]

I mean.

• Flinch
• Stagger backwards
• Fall on ass

[worldly bramble]

I could see myself using the chainaxe for lone enemies, and the volver's my oh-shit button if I turn in a corner and four crushers start playing the you just walked into the wrong neighborhood song.

[dense field]

It's a vermintide mechanics

[spare dome]

You'd do extra damage against enemies that were staggered at different levels.

[olive raven]

Most weapons you take power blessings

[dense field]

Don't mind it

[open pollen]

So adding more impact won't level up your stagger? I.E. flinching a rager vs having them topple?

[lavish flame]

It will

But it depends

[spare dome]

It might. That's why it's all about da breakpoints.

[olive raven]

There's def different stages of stagger

[lavish flame]

Once again break points

[dense field]

It will but that's not the next level

[night roost]

Stagger is a buildup

[spare dome]

I wish I knew the numbers.

But I don't lel

[dense field]

As is the rager won't be taking extra damage

[spare dome]

it's all feels for me

[olive raven]

Either way, most zealot weapons will simply kill ragers

[lavish flame]

Ragers are very stagger resistant

[spare dome]

for something like a knife, even if i could stagger ragers with a left click, im already agile enough to not give a shit

[lavish flame]

Most weapons will kill ragers before staggering them

[olive raven]

Yea I think uh

HSword special and crusher

are two of the only things I use on melee

[lavish flame]

And bayonet

[olive raven]

that staggers them

[lavish flame]

Bayo will chain stun ragers for some fucking reason

[spare dome]

knife punch if you get em in the face

[dense field]

A taxe

[lavish flame]

(And also 2 shot ragers to boot)

[olive raven]

The crusher is the only time I care to stagger a rager

Outside of that

I just fuckin kill em

So stagger has uses

Such as stunlocking a crusher

[spare dome]

think of it the same way you think of damage bonuses

if the bonus is easy to reach and has a measurable impact (ie. breakpoint), then you'd take it

but if it was like, you can one shot a rager but only if you block an attack and then spin 720 degrees and land a headshot on your next attack

you'd probably still not want it

[obtuse solstice]

if I use chastise on carapace armor so it becomes flak, will it count as flak or carapace for weapon perks?

[spare dome]

it's still carapace

[olive raven]

Take flak

[spare dome]

so same thinking with impact, some bonuses are pretty easy to reach and they do in fact do something for you, but how often is that result important in your gameplay?

[obtuse solstice]

aight so which one is it

[olive raven]

you still get the carapace bonus im pre sure

So get Flak

its more general

if you are chasitising, you want extra flak damage

[heavy arch]

@royal vortex 19 angry crushers bum rush me, a zealot with crusher. What’s the move set with crusher to use on them

spam special?

[ornate bone]

so, is there a curio meta? if not, what do you guys prefer to have as perks?

[olive raven]

3x Toughness or 2x Tough and 1x HP

3x wound for martyr

[ornate bone]

just toughness or regen speed?

[frank night]

just toughness

[olive raven]

Perks I take are Tough/HP/Gunner Res

[frank night]

regen speed is subject to fartshark weirdness

[olive raven]

those are the curios blessings

[frank night]

(regen turns off in melee range)

[ornate bone]

aight thanks for that my friends

[olive raven]

Perks are these

[ornate bone]

wtf wow, well thanks for telling me that now

[heavy arch]

Gunner res tough and ordo dockets is the goat combo

[frank night]

there are a lot of these things

[olive raven]

if you get 16%+ toughness curios most builds should be 200+ for both HP and toughness

[obtuse solstice]

if I chastise an unyielding what does it become

[frank night]

because the shark does not believe in tooltips

for some reason

[ornate bone]

i had three times 30% toughness regen and apparently that was useless the entire time 😄

[worldly bramble]

Angry.

[frank night]

it'll have done something just not what you think

[olive raven]

thats good on other classes at times

[minor sage]

not really tbh

[olive raven]

i take toughness regen on psyker & ogryn

[minor sage]

only ogryn still uses it

psyker has really good toughness recovery

[olive raven]

and only like 1 or 2 on psyker

[ornate bone]

yeah i read this on a psyker guide. unfortunately there are no up to date guides on zealot

[minor sage]

and it's better to just get raw stats

[frozen ibex]

Play whatever you want. I have 3x hp, wounds for martyr, or 2x hp 1x toughness. No defined answer it's very personal and depend on your own comfort zone.

[frank night]

josho will eventually end up writing a whole one piece by piece over the course of his life

[heavy arch]

If you generally get hit a lot then hp but if not toughness is better

[solar gorge]

3x 30%toughness regen used to be busted and since I haven't changed my curios eversince they fixed that (a long fucking time ago) here I am

[frank night]

there was a funy bugge with it

ye

[frozen ibex]

I run 3x toughness regen on zealot. 🙂

[ornate bone]

obviously that is the case with everything at all times. but sometimes you gotta consider how others live their lifes if you don´t know how to go on.

[minor sage]

there was no bug with it

[solar gorge]

it was overtuned not bugged

[frank night]

you also willingly post on youtube agent i do not listen to the deranged

[minor sage]

the old talent system just didn't have good enough toughness recovery

so you needed the coherency regen

[solar gorge]

no

[minor sage]

now every class basically has infinite toughness

[solar gorge]

it used to regen ur toughness in the fraction of an instant

[heavy arch]

only toughness regen I need on zealot is pressing F

[olive raven]

idk how you make yourself seem more insane than double bleed knives

[frozen ibex]

Yeah but it's more about weapon with a damage and breakpoint. Curios affect your own survivability. Your own playstyle. Some people play with 3x toughness and I know I'd struggle with that. While my playstyle lean more toward hp.

Yeah yeah keep flaming idc.

[heavy arch]

I run 3x hp on psyker

[frozen ibex]

I win my own way and do okay. 🙂

[frank night]

I run 2x toughness and 1x stam on vet

[open pollen]

Thank you for the discussion on stagger. It was very enlightening.

[olive raven]

you can run whatever, its just banter lmao

[heavy arch]

the only curio ppl I judge are non Marty wound stackers

[open pollen]

just a bit o' banter

[ornate bone]

i lose a lot but i think it has a lot to do with how bad i am lemao

[frozen ibex]

You're insane.

Just banter though.

[heavy arch]

taking wounds is CRINGE

[olive raven]

correct

[frank night]

I also run revive speed because gandalf not getting picked up from a ledge hang hurt my childhood

[ember yew]

You guys arguing about curios, meanwhile im using 30% ordos dockets

beggars cant be choosers

[olive raven]

this

[frozen ibex]

Wounds curios on non martyrdom build is very based.

[ornate bone]

haha

[open pollen]

I also fancy 30% ordo docket gaming.

[frank night]

https://tenor.com/view/backing-you-get-yours-danny-devito-danny-devito-gif-13052176

[olive raven]

One wound is only acceptable for like psyker's still learning peril management

[open pollen]

Can never have enough DOCKETS

[minor sage]

I think if you do aurics and maelstroms you get more ordos than you can use

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-gif-cat-funny-blanket-gif-25059433

[ornate bone]

that´s one way of getting rid of heretics

[open pollen]

Only resistance I can't seem to live without is gunner. Those guys mow me down fierce on auric.

[olive raven]

tbh ordos is a fine perk

id swap my hp perk for it

[olive raven]

Gunner Resistance is mandatory for every class tbh

[frozen ibex]

Leux what's your zealot total level if I may ask? 🙂