#zealot-class

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subtle cedar
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both good

sterile schooner
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No, I disagree that it's underrated. Literally the most common grenade pick for zealot

surreal marlin
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they have different uses

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dude everyone says go stun go stun

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but like i disagree

fading vale
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fire nades are for big elite packs especially with bulwarks

surreal marlin
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yes

flat marsh
subtle cedar
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yeah the main thing is you bringing it up out of nowhere saying it's underrated when like, most people do take fire

surreal marlin
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exactly

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firenade fucks shit up

subtle cedar
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as far as i can tell

north sedge
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Works on ranged too, description is wrong

flat marsh
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Throwing knives are the most underrated

subtle cedar
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no they ain't they overrated as fuck

flat marsh
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See? People doubting the throwing knife

fading vale
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yes cause they are extremely mid

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good for saving points when going second wind or crit but

plush shale
fading vale
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otherwise no

surreal marlin
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the issue i am talking about here iis that if i play this build - the dmg loss frm TWBS is not worth it - id rather take the x2 extra points foor output

muted vale
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how to make judge shout u shall not pass?? .)) heard it twice, but cant replicate it, i am still leveling, at 14 rn, so maybe some perk?

surreal marlin
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literally no sv issue here for damnation plays

subtle cedar
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in anycase, Two, you've shown up here, claimed something everyone here thinks is good is underrated then claimed the thing you're saying is bad doesn't do everything it actually does.

flat marsh
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You can legitimately drop 2 by losing one of your dashes and dropping 10% attack speed

plush shale
subtle cedar
surreal marlin
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its multipicative dmg dude

ebon holly
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I just don't get close to it, can show me your tree show I can get it?

subtle cedar
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that shit's GREAT

old badger
plush shale
flat marsh
old badger
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search my images it's up there somewhere

ebon holly
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No rush, take your time

surreal marlin
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yes there is

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here lemme show u

subtle cedar
ebon holly
flat marsh
subtle cedar
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.... a monster isn't when you end up really needing 2 charges either

woeful pecan
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This is what I'm using. I'd like having TWBS, but I don't really want to drop anything to get it, and I can do well on Auric as it stands.

subtle cedar
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and yeah survivability is fine in that build what

flat marsh
subtle cedar
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general;ly

surreal marlin
subtle cedar
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fuck it i'm outta here people talking crazy

plush shale
woeful pecan
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Eh, Inexorable Judgment feels more reliable to me than Blazing Piety

ebon holly
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I used heavy sowrd and combat stim but still no health

surreal marlin
# plush shale

nice - but still. imo not worth the dmg loss - i already move just fine.

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stam regen / toughness regen / ability regen on curioos

plush shale
surreal marlin
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not often

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not often at all

plush shale
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How

subtle cedar
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like, there was a reason the crit refund talent was trash before the talent tree rework, it's because it straight wasn't good compared with having 2 charges

fading vale
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that curio setup is uh

plush shale
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Often

fading vale
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3 useless things

tawny steppe
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lv 24 zealot here

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i was wondering what to do to be a one man army

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just been weilding knifes and thats pretty much it

flat marsh
coral trellis
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Quick question: Bulwurks and Reapers are carapace or unyielding?

tawny steppe
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unyielding

fading vale
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stam regen does absolutely nothing for zealot

coral trellis
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THX

tawny steppe
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i thinj

woeful pecan
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A couple places on them are not unyielding

flat marsh
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I can definitely go through enough stamina on certain weapons

woeful pecan
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Shoulder armor for bulwark, for example

surreal marlin
fading vale
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I mean maybe if you are push attacking super often with a specific weapon but other than that eh

subtle cedar
flat marsh
subtle cedar
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unyielding

coral trellis
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Thx

delicate shadow
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you really do not need stam regen on zealot unless you're somehow just holding down sprint and pushing constantly

fading vale
subtle cedar
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you can just go into the psykanium and shoot their head to see...

north sedge
fading vale
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toughness regen speed is particularly bad because it disables when you are close to enemies

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and ability regen is too small a number

minor sage
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when everyone was running 3x toughness regen

surreal marlin
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12% cdr on ability isnt bad at all when u have it oon all 3

tawny steppe
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anyone know what to run for a hammer zealot build

fading vale
flat marsh
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12% is maybe like 3 seconds when you're gaining 1.5 seconds per crit. It's really insignificant

subtle cedar
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3.6 to be exact

flat marsh
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And you sacrificed a curio slot for a single second

surreal marlin
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cdr from where?

fading vale
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when instead you could have like, 2x more health/toughness against gunners

flat marsh
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Do you not know what the perks do?

stiff mirage
surreal marlin
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i have ccdr on crits

flat marsh
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Yes

tawny steppe
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just want to want 1 hit demon host

flat marsh
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The majority of your CDR is going to be from your crits and not your curios

surreal marlin
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i know - but more cdr means mre ability usage

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but yes

flat marsh
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It's a single second per curio slot

surreal marlin
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can try moore hp

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3 secs

subtle cedar
stiff mirage
subtle cedar
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you almost certainly aren't the vast majority of the time

stiff mirage
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thrust is necessary for thammer builds afaik

surreal marlin
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depends if ur needing sv or if u wanna blast

fading vale
stiff mirage
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u can use a stealth backstab to get super high dmg on most bosses but idk if it works on daemonhosts never tried

ripe quest
subtle cedar
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that CDR on curios might only technically mean 1 more ability usage a run

surreal marlin
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not when the cd is 30 secs

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and soome matches take over 30 mins

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but yes there are better curio slots than ccdr i agree

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ill try toughness

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but my toughness hardly faulters

cerulean pike
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there has never been a single game where I've been

"oh no! 3 seconds left on my chastise! if only I had cdr on my curios!"

surreal marlin
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no but i bet uve died when u wish u could have had chastise upp

plush shale
subtle cedar
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oftentimes you vastly overshoot your chastise CD through just cleaving like 8 enemies with a crit

dense field
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Realistically ability cooldown on curios does nothing for a zealot with blazing piety and scourge

subtle cedar
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and getting 12 seconds taken off when you only had 5 left

delicate shadow
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the odds of 3 seconds being the make or break on that front is exceedingly small to the point of being a meme to even consider tbh

subtle cedar
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so the 3 seconds you took off with curio CDR literally didn't do anything

plush shale
subtle cedar
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nah that's awful

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why are you taking boltgun

stiff mirage
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bolter and evis ough

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so slow

ripe quest
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Crit CDR build on the XV is a bit odd

subtle cedar
cerulean pike
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yeah that's
that's a normal interaction

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your build did not change how that went

ripe quest
subtle cedar
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^

gray ice
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I've seen weird takes for sure but curio cdr being good is not a hill I ever thought I'd see someone on

cerulean pike
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if you just crit with evis 15 it will one shot a crusher

subtle cedar
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but he is definitely overrating it

cerulean pike
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also blood redemption is ass

subtle cedar
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yep, is trash

fading vale
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yeah they said they realize other things are probably better and they would try something else so we can probably stop harping on it

gray ice
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No not dying on it, I never thought I'd see someone on the hill period KEKW

cerulean pike
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also going knife just to go to piety on the other ass end of the tree is

weird

dense field
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nah

plush shale
steep flame
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we gotta start a fad where you mow ur grass with a scythe

dense field
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It's good

subtle cedar
steep flame
subtle cedar
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what is boltgun actually doing for your build

copper hawk
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sluuuurp

dense field
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You use knives like you would use a revolver

subtle cedar
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if you swapped to another ranged weapon why would you use knives

plush shale
ebon holly
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Like legit not getting 25% but don't know if it stuck below

ripe quest
# subtle cedar nah, the "odd" bit is wrath

Well +Cleave on the XV is kinda okish, you get a lot of CC out of it with having 33 cleave on lights. It being on the XV though is odd since generally when you're spamming Fury you want to spread that damage to as many enemies as possible, the XV is just worse than the II for that because of the target cap.

copper hawk
stiff mirage
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doesnt throwing knife skip the bolter draw anim?

copper hawk
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i need ur halp

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can u send me ur evis build

ripe quest
copper hawk
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or buildz

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if u have them

dense field
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And the bolbgun is just a better grenade

copper hawk
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i truste u

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🥺

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so smart n wize..

ripe quest
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Sure I'll whip something up for you

copper hawk
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omg

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tank u

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see me in the alley 4 ur reward later

cerulean pike
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man i don't even know how long it's been since i've opened dt

copper hawk
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Heblo Ak. Ar. I

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Snarktide

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U should blay Trade Roguer

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good gam..

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Ulfar my beloved..

cerulean pike
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okay it's been a few weeks

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15th december was the last time i touched it

copper hawk
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Playin Rogue Trader makez me wish we had like

stiff mirage
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abelard the goat

copper hawk
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a Mechanicus char in darktide

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I feel like it's guaranteed

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like eventually they'll add somethin from the Cult of Mars to Darktide

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like an arc rifle or something

subtle cedar
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wait, this is a solo auric build? okay that explains things imo.

that doesn't make this build -good- for most people, it makes it crafted for a specific purpose where it has to be able to handle everything the game throws at it at all times. no allies to help dealing with hordes, no allies that would kill elites, no allies that would snipe specials, no ally carapace damage to rely on.

this build is crafted to take things relatively slow and steadily when piloted by an extremely skilled player

ebon holly
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Hahah, loving that I'm dragging my team down for this penance, great design lol

subtle cedar
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it is not gonna be nearly as good for most people

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this guy needs a boltgun cos he might need to solo 10 fuckin crushers

subtle cedar
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he needs cleave on an XV evis because he has to CC the entire horde by himself

cerulean pike
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still feel like SS would be better to do that than wrath

subtle cedar
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these are not situations most people need to deal with on any common basis

wild apex
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gonna make a zeal when i fin leveling my pys and her Straga

cerulean pike
wild apex
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If ya yk yk

subtle cedar
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i hate it when people see builds made to deal with very specific challenges and go "this must be best build"

flat marsh
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The very specific challenge of playing the game

subtle cedar
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solo

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playing the game solo

ebon holly
subtle cedar
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which the vast, vast majority of players don't do

ripe quest
subtle cedar
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is it a build that might do well in a clutch situation with a skilled player? sure, but it isn't good at -preventing- having to deal with a clutch situation and the vast majority of players aren't the build pilots of a caliber where the choices related to survivability in this build are optimal

ripe quest
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The way that people interact with other players through their build might vary though. That might transcend a specific build and be more of a playstyle issue though.

subtle cedar
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sure, it doesn't differ insane amounts, but there's some very obviously relevant choices in this build to adapt it to solo situations which wouldn't really be ideal in group situations by a less skilled player

ebon holly
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Do I have to take out my curios that are giving me extra wounds?

ripe quest
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What build are you running right now?

subtle cedar
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1 wound curio max unless you are playing martyr

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and drop em all if you're an ogryn

dense field
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0 wound curios

ebon holly
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Not playing any build, just having 3 wound curios

dense field
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1 is 1 too much

subtle cedar
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many people run 0 wound curios

ebon holly
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So I wonder if they are stopping me from getting that penance

subtle cedar
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but honestly i see far too many people get downed then instablapped by poxbursters

ebon holly
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What bad about extra wounds?

subtle cedar
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they don't do anything past 1 really

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don't plan to go down

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generally you also die because people can't get you up

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not because you didn't have wounds left

ebon holly
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Do they prevent from the Abyss penance too?

subtle cedar
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can't remem what that penance is

ebon holly
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Be hit to 0 health

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Then deal damage to get 25% health back

subtle cedar
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no

ripe quest
# ebon holly What bad about extra wounds?

The philosophy is that if you use Wound curios you're preparing to go down often, when Toughness or HP curios could prevent going down and therefore make Wound curios less relevant.

dense field
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Do more damage

subtle cedar
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that looks at your health

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not your wounds

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getting back to 25% is easy

dense field
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Have less HP

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There's your options

subtle cedar
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just proc it in a horde and go to town

ebon holly
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Gothcha, will remove my wound and health curios then

subtle cedar
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no don't bother removing health curios

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they're fine

ebon holly
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I've done that in 6 games but it not going more, just little healht back

subtle cedar
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what melee you using

ebon holly
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heavysword

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For horde

subtle cedar
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er

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hmmm

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that's odd

ebon holly
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I tried hammer for specials, but nothign as well

subtle cedar
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you should massively overshoot that 25% heal

dense field
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Probably it's just bugged for you then

subtle cedar
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(is capped at 25% but like w/e)

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do you have headtaker on your heavy sword? you should still deal enough damage to get it but just curious

ebon holly
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Yeah, Ifeel it bugged

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Lemme check

subtle cedar
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if you need to check i feel that you don't

dense field
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wrath + vicious strike whatthefuck_heresy

subtle cedar
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oh god

ebon holly
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Yes I do

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headtaker and wrath

dense field
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Is wrath locked?

copper hawk
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HATE

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SO FULL OF HATE

stiff mirage
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nurgles champion

ebon holly
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What mean by wrath locked?

dense field
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Can you change it?

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at Hadron's

ebon holly
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No, as don't have other blessings

dense field
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oh ok then

ebon holly
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Is that prevent me from doing more damage?

dense field
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You would do more damage with rampage, yes

ebon holly
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So try to get rampage and headtaker for heavy sword?

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If so, will have to do more crafting then

dense field
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You can do it without rampage, it's just easier this way

ebon holly
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All right, but do try to change wrath then?

tardy bramble
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Brutal momentum is also good

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Instead of rampage

ebon holly
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Okay

dense field
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It's not good for this specific need

tardy bramble
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Brutal momentum is good for single target and hoard clear tho

median crow
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:))))))))))))

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i hate her

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got it at green

ornate bone
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You can still save it

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GAMBA

tardy bramble
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Save it ?
Sprint efficiency is goated
Espeically on zealot where there is a lot of sprinting involved

native cargo
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I should eventually go curio sniffing

atomic sparrow
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been carrying more after switching off Chorus and using chastice evis. if im not the one killing elites cant count on teammates to do it

obtuse magnet
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is shroudfield giving full vision in vent purge a bug

dense field
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I guess?

obtuse magnet
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idk i noticed that shroud would lift the fog in vent purge missions and idk if that’s intended

obtuse magnet
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makes sense

timber ether
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i think it's a cool aspect, like you put on nightvision goggles or whatever

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it's very... splinter cell?

wooden river
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Vet stealth does that too

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And it does feel very night vision goggly

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For night jigglin’

fading vale
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rip

median crow
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just had a full 3/3 scrip run fold in less than 10 seconds due to director bullshit and only one person got out, 0/3 scrips, last 20 seconds of the mission. no contract progress

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such fucking horseshit

muted vale
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what is difference between eviscerator variants?

median crow
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40m down the drain due to 4 consecutive bursters in less than 15s

ripe quest
ripe quest
timber ether
# median crow

this is all on you m8, books contracts are an instant reroll

muted vale
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ty

polar nexus
naive star
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Potential for testing out Chainaxes?

polar nexus
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the perk is not really good, but upgrade it to blue and see what is your first blessing

steady hearth
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the absolute brainrot of scoreboard chatters

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"I got top damage so I'm doing okay right"

naive star
steady hearth
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coming from the ogyrn with zero target priority, consistently left the other players on the ground, literally just Wing into hordes and going to 0 ammo on them then meleeing

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(the 4th player psyker joined late and died for free to a hilariously bad spawn, he did great)

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replacing a player who got pissed off that the ogyrn had let him die on the floor a second time

naive star
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Guess the class is bit too forgiving of such behaviour

steady hearth
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do you see those fucking

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95 specials

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jesus

polar nexus
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the only important part is here and tells everything

steady hearth
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having to do literally all the taggable specials work

naive star
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Yeah thats rough

steady hearth
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also for what it's worth

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that 1 down I have

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was a barrel selfdown

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to heal up to 66% KEKW_ogryn

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the pro strats

naive star
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Havent thought of that, zealot certainly has talents to support such 200 IQ emo moves

steady hearth
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yeah when I'm playing 7 wound zealot I will frequently take a self down in barrel fire to heal

naive star
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Guess that explains, never played wound/martyr zealot yet

steady hearth
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and Until Death already popped (which is why oyu're low in the first place)

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i'm not saying do it mid fight lol

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you're explicitly doing it in running sections

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only when Until Death is down

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and you really don't want to go into the next fight at 1 hp and Until Death is down

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because that means the first shotgun you run into downs you

placid fiber
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Welp we lost, but, I did an insane solo clutch after the mid event on the chasm station assassination mission.

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It would have been 5x as easy on zealot, tho

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I'm still learning how to use the voidstrike staff, though

desert vessel
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whats a good gun to pair with mk15 evis

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no revolver, sick of revolver KEKW_ogryn

steady hearth
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I will always stan the mg12 las

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it draws fast enough and snipes specials for when your team is asleep

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see my above scoreboard, 95 special kills wouldn't have happened any other way

placid fiber
steady hearth
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revolver would not have cut it, I would have 1. run out of ammo 2. spent more time reloading than fighting

desert vessel
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im using columnus rn

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because columnus is just good

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but Im sick of columnus and revolver

ember yew
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i dropped it into a trashcan yesterday, tried it and didnt like it that much

polar nexus
ornate bone
polar nexus
steady hearth
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If your team fails to rez you

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when literally nothing else is happening

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alt-f4

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it's not group dependent at all

polar nexus
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i hate the people only seeing dmg dealt in the scoreboard

polar nexus
polar nexus
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like, ok big guy, you took > 1.5k dmg, died 6 times and had the most dmg dealt

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you just had an op weapon and no skill

ember yew
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if he did like 1mil dmg its still better than someone who did 200, but like was staying behind there doing nothing

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not assuming he farmed dmg somewhere (like purposedly at inf spawn)

polar nexus
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yeah but you don't do 1M with just an op weapon

ember yew
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i had like a 13 minute game yesterday, anyone barely did like 250k damage and by the end of it people was like

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everyone: eh? its already over? ggwp

polar nexus
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that's nice

minor sage
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wait

keen silo
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does rashad crit well for piety? or nah

minor sage
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you took 2k damage

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and died twice

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not even went down

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like fully die died

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LOL

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if it was me

polar nexus
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best runs for me are those with people having a comparable amount of dmg

minor sage
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i wouldn't even post that

polar nexus
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everyone was performing well and enjoyed the run

keen silo
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yo keet can i run piety on rashad

polar nexus
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you can run piety with everything

minor sage
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i had this game earlier which was pretty good

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only reason I topped dmg

ember yew
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you can but momentum is more fun since you benefit hugely from +attack speed on rashad

minor sage
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was cuz i was running op build

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teammates were actually quite good

polar nexus
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but i would use rashad with martyr or momentum

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like evan said

ember yew
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you already chopping heads

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so doing that with crits will not change anything

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apart from a bit more damage on elites

polar nexus
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i use piety with knife or hsword most

ember yew
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but rashad already good at doing that

keen silo
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right

polar nexus
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otherwise it's momentum

keen silo
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my game just sucks when my fps drops to 10
then i just throw the run

polar nexus
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have you checked your drivers?

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windows update periodically nukes my amd chipset drivers

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and i have those freezes...

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other possibility, you pc is throttling due to high temp

ember yew
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amd 23.10.2 or 23.11.1(2)

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works

polar nexus
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i use a program to block my temp at 80 max (i am on laptop)

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no more spike, no more throttling

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constant average turbo

ember yew
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well laptop are really high temp when you play heavy games

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i remember like 96

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ouch

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it was so hot

polar nexus
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96 is a nono

ember yew
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you cant even put a hand on it

polar nexus
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your performance will be worse

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better let it a 80/85 max and have no throttling

frozen ibex
polar nexus
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(well, that's the temp for me but i live in a hot and humid climate)

celest oasis
polar nexus
keen silo
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man my teammates have left me to stay un ressed for a whole minute, and then died to a horde

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this game's so fun, it makes me wanna break my head when my teammates are numbskulls

south folio
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such players are simply built different

dense field
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Maybe that was a new player

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But man

ember yew
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check damage

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if damage is like 100k

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oh wait

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he was dead

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for half+ of the game

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there wont be any damage either

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peperronis

dense field
ember yew
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maybe he was doing self-exploding achievement

dense field
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How is it even possible to die with surge venting shriek

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maybe with like zero toughness generation talents or something

placid fiber
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Did a high 5 shock gauntlet with vent purge and we won. Only had to solo clutch once, during the end event. :3

ember yew
placid fiber
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I am WAY more comfortable on zealot than I am on psyker hehe

ornate bone
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Me only starting with soulstealer so I can have no regen during boss fights

naive star
placid fiber
ember yew
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thats not much

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after i started using Brauto 8

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its like 300k+ ranged damage every game

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i just cant resist

naive star
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Im running it too, but i seem to just whip it out for F rushes to armored stuff and specials mostly

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Maybe should brrrrt more

ember yew
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dont forget it has cleave

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so just blast specials with whatever there's around

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literally brauto

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this

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i also gonna give Columnus V a shot later

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but so far it was pretty disappointing

naive star
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Any tips for using Brauto besides F rush to negate armor?

ember yew
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dont use brace shots

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try to adjust perfectly to normal shots

naive star
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Yeah been tapping those for distance

ember yew
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and position yourself to penetrate as much targets as possible

naive star
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Havent really felt any use out of the brace function

ember yew
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if you see a straight lines of enemies

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thats your guests

naive star
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Ok good, the cleave part i wasnt aware of

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I really like the stagger on it

ember yew
#

you get deathspitter and fire frenzy stacks almost instantly too if theres trash mobs

#

also its staggers poxbastards

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quite easily

naive star
#

I made mine on day 1 of hitting lvl 30, so it had kinda room for improvement, gotta keep eye for (near)perfect rolls

placid fiber
#

For me I use deathspitter/fire frenzy(preferably fire frenzy) with my 2nd blessing as hit and run. While it lowers my overall damage, it makes me not only way more comfortable using the brauto, but, it also makes me more willing to dive into enemy shooters or other dangerous situations since I have a safety measure...

#

like how I have inspiring barrage on my autopistol

naive star
placid fiber
#

My perfect brauto is this, but, with fire frenzy instead of deathspitter.

ember yew
#

dang autopistol is just so bad, i went to recheck again to how bad it was, literally worst ranged weapon in the game

#

0 flak damage

#

0 maniac damage

#

0 carapace damage

#

Chastice is not helping it

#

that much

#

still just too much garbage

placid fiber
#

Takes like 50 shots to kill a trapper, right?

twin wagon
placid fiber
#

Totally takes the longest time to reload, has the longest draw time

ember yew
#

i bet there's no weapon that close to autopistol in its shittiness

placid fiber
#

Is super long range with no ability to be used at close range

#

makes you stop moving to shoot like the kantrael mg xii

naive star
#

Yet the highest rated guide on that build site suggets autopistol for you

placid fiber
#

(I'm not being serious btw)

ember yew
#

and if you chastice

#

and then shoot at crusher

ember yew
#

Crusher reaction: KEKW_ogryn

placid fiber
#

This is my prefered martyrdom set of weapons, since I don't have the throwing knives when I take martyrdom(since I take the left path to the stun nades).

ember yew
#

i hope they buff autopistol

placid fiber
#

Autopistol is mainly for surprise trappers, and the overall utility inspiring barrage gives me

ember yew
#

they just overdid it

twin wagon
#

If you want a weapon for surprises...just take agripina shotgun

#

Thank me later

placid fiber
#

The utility is increased for the autopistol since I'm a panic gamer and the inspiring barrage autopistol is like... made for a panic gamer like me. :/

ember yew
#

i think bolter is still the best as panic weapon

#

its just deletes everything

#

just clunky to use

#

when aiming

placid fiber
#

The brauto is WAY better, but, when I don't have throwing knives and I have martyrdom I take the autopistol cause of the fast draw, fast reload, and toughness recovery from inspiring barrage covering my ass while I am panicking tf out lol

ember yew
#

you should try mk2 with ghost/dumdum

#

lazpiztol

placid fiber
#

Does that work with poor aim, panicked players?

ember yew
#

no toughness, but you can laugh at reapers and gunners

#

well mk2 has enough attack speed esp with chastice

#

so if you kinda aim at top bodypart

#

you still score headshots and procs ghost

placid fiber
#

I would probably do the toughness on crit kill and dum dum on a laspistol... or dum dum and the one that causes burning on crits

#

and I would also probably take it with my blazing piety build :/

ember yew
#

burning on crits dont do much tbh

#

only on bosses

#

cuz laspistol damage is already pretty strong

#

mk2 too

#

so you can bring Raking Fire

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or utility liek Ghost

placid fiber
ember yew
#

infernus only for crit builds though

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if its a non-crit build

#

its raking fire then

naive star
#

My laspistol is exactly that, dumdum+infernus and for piety/crit build

#

It just feels pretty RNG, sometimes it just kills everything and other times you keep tapping for lotto hit

placid fiber
ember yew
#

ye

placid fiber
#

hence why I said I would probably take the laspistol with a blazing piety build with dum dum and infernus or the toughness on crit kills >.>'

ember yew
#

kinda missed bp part, mb

placid fiber
#

It's okay, I talk in a confusing manor x.x

#

Also I... I like a safety net, since I know I can't always predict how I will react when I am in my panicked state. I might do better when I am panicked, but, I also can fumble sometimes :/

#

Setting yourself up for success really does help, who would have guessed...

left iron
#

PepoG Thanks Big E

placid fiber
#

Oof

left iron
#

Its a shame i already have this, otherwise i might as well use that sometimes

#

Still gotta reroll the crit chance to something else

#

Eeeeh

south folio
#

i'd roll with crit chance on the columnus, assuming that you don't have another source of crit chance else where

left iron
#

So you would change the carapace to maniacs?

south folio
#

depends on how much you'll be chastising into crushers but yeah that's something i would do

#

or to flak or whatever

#

with 5% crit chance, the columnus has 17.4% effective crit chance

left iron
#

Unbrickable yoooo

south folio
#

with 10% crit chance, the columnus has 30.7%

surreal marlin
left iron
#

Hadron did try though

#

I like +ordos

ember yew
left iron
#

It is done

left iron
fiery ingot
#

What do you need that many ordo dockets for 🤔

left iron
#

Only one more to go for maxed out curios on my 2nd zealot

#

This needs +1% hp

steep flame
#

My knife came in the mail today

placid fiber
#

So, does anyone know how this works exactly? The way it reads makes it sound like if I were to regenerate say 50 toughness from confirmed kill, then allies in my coherency would get 7.5 toughness...

fiery ingot
#

New knife skin leaked

placid fiber
fiery ingot
placid fiber
#

so "It sucks" and "don't waste your time trying to figure it out" >.>

placid fiber
#

I mean with how confirmed kill works now I would regenerate 19.4 toughness on my Vet... and 15% of 19.4 is 2.91 so unless I was killing 10's of elites every couple of seconds the returns on it at base description value would be underwhelming at best...

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19.4 isn't counting the 20% regen, just the 10% on elite kill

oak ermine
#

The example you brought up seems to be correct, only individual toughness increments would come from both instant toughness from Confirmed Kill and the over-time portion

placid fiber
#

Man that sounds like it sucks ass... :/

oak ermine
#

The skill is not great, that’s for sure

placid fiber
#

Even if it was 25%-40% it would still be underwhelming tbh...

fiery ingot
#

here found it

#

actually i should just link the message so you can read the whole conversation

placid fiber
#

So it IS as bad as I was calculating, or even worse... wow, that's really sad

ember yew
#

🍆

#

welp

fiery ingot
oak ermine
#

I just take the middle one

#

It’s mostly irrelevant, but it’s better than nothing

fiery ingot
#

ok the 50% supression caused can actually be useful in some guns, but still

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i just wish supression werent a thing

placid fiber
#

Yeah, I just take this one since it helps me overall way more than the suppression or inconsequential amount of toughness that allies would get back from the other choice... :/

oak ermine
#

Other classes have indeed great personal skills for restoring toughness - and the skill doesn’t do anything if everyone is topped up on toughness, regardless

fiery ingot
#

yeah

#

would be very nice if you could give your toughness regen per second to your allies tho

placid fiber
#

What's really sad is this talent probably will give your team way more in the long run, compared to that other one...

fiery ingot
#

true

#

and no one picks that one

#

because it is in a really bad spot

#

that should replace born leader imo

placid fiber
#

Yeah, it is in a horrible spot for sure

fiery ingot
#

tho 5 meters from the target is like

#

you ks'ing your team

#

cause they're already going to kill it if its 5 mt away from them

placid fiber
#

I mean getting enemies off of a struggling teammate would be easier since they would get toughness from your ranged kills

#

which would lower the potential chip damage they were taking

#

Depending on what type of ranged you had. A brauto, infantry autogun, headhunter, or hell even maybe the autopistol could all get some use out of that talent in the right circumstances

#

the only problem is... if you are preparing for that obscure of a circumstance, you might find it being just a waste in general since that probably doesn't happen as often as you would want

fiery ingot
#

true

still quartz
#

be me
join in Damnation match to test new build
Plague Ogryn spawns
"okay then not bad, oh it's charging I better-"
gets fucking hit by the charge through unknown means and somehow get sent through the world's most obscure ledge corner and die to falling off the map

#

What a beautiful start

placid fiber
#

Where as a talent like this would benefit the team in a less niche way, and more overall

still quartz
#

cries obnoxiously loud

fiery ingot
#

true

still quartz
#

Anyway fuck that Plague Ogryn

fiery ingot
still quartz
#

The planets musta been super aligned if it managed to knock me off the map like that when there were enough walls to make one mistake it being the border between two nations

lusty orbit
#

one time the beast of nurgle tail whip move launched me into a corner blocked by props and stuff. fell, died from a ~1foot fall

fiery ingot
#

it has happened to me in the latest mission that came out

#

chaos spawn literally sent me to the roof

#

i was walking in a invisible wall

#

and got stuck there until i realized i had no option but to leave game and rejoin

celest quail
#

@frozen ibex Should i use the mk 6, mk 3, or roll for a new knife? Pairing it with the momentum build

#

Mobility is pretty low 😔

still quartz
#

Mob dump stat

#

No worries about it

celest quail
#

Alr, im still gonna reroll for a new knife when i get 600k gold

#

I wanna play with while running at mach 5

blazing fossil
#

I'll lend you some money, 20% interest tho

celest quail
#

😭😭😭😭

#

Touch grass

fiery ingot
#

give me that plasteel pepeknife

celest quail
#

^

waxen yew
#

Robbery 🔫

celest quail
#

Ive invested over 20k plat in void strike staffs

frozen ibex
#

Yeah go fast af boi

celest quail
#

Still havent gotten the double balls blessing

fiery ingot
#

does the mk6 dagger push attack hit as hard or harder than mk3 regular heavies?

frozen ibex
#

I would get 2 knives if you can. 1 with double bleed 1 with uncanny lacerate
Depend on the maelstrom modifier

celest quail
#

Really need to

#

Id have one by now if i havent dumped so much plat in void strikes

ebon holly
#

So I should get curios for toughness?

obtuse solstice
#

is there a trick to parry rager packs? some attacks get through no matter what I do

celest quail
#

Welp got more farming to do

frozen ibex
muted vale
fiery ingot
#

low intensity t5

celest cave
frozen ibex
#

500+ plasteels by yourself every round.

celest quail
#

^

#

I want 800 plat per match

#

Plz

south mortar
#

1k+

#

Take it or leave it

muted vale
#

also do u keep materials even when mission fail?

frank night
#

you get a greatly reduced amount

oak ermine
rigid trellis
#

you get like 50% of the materials

muted vale
#

thats fair at least

#

for fail

true kindle
#

less than 50% I think

true kindle
#

more like 30%

south mortar
#

An example build that I use

#

Essentially you’re speedy

ornate bone
#

then it's fine

#

dodge count is the most important stat for checking if your mobility is just right or pretty bad

frozen ibex
#

Interesting build above.

muted vale
# south mortar

ok, ty, tryied to click it myself and ended up with this trying to take all the speed there is and loner bonus .)

ornate bone
#

Should I upgrade this, or no?

ember yew
#

its okay if you want to gamble

ornate bone
#

Best I got right now trying for one.

keen silo
#

what places would loner aura be useful?

quaint verge
#

Plasteel farming

muted vale
#

farming materials i thought .)

keen silo
#

we can "farm" plasteel?

quaint verge
#

Useless in combat tho

muted vale
#

u can, jsut run around without group, find every little hidden corner of the map .)

quaint verge
#

And make the ai mad and spawning stuff

frozen ibex
celest quail
#

💀

#

My first zealot build was your invincible build

south mortar
frozen ibex
celest quail
#

Yup

#

Im addicted to knife speed

frozen ibex
#

Aye knife is imo 2nd strongest melee weapon for zealot. whatthefuck_heresy

celest quail
#

Number 1????

frozen ibex
#

Combat axe with bm

#

(Not achylys)

celest quail
#

Bm?

south mortar
#

Brutal momentum

celest quail
#

Oooo

remote valley
#

I love how knife stealth build fulfills my adhd desires. You're speedy as fuck and with blazing piety you can spam your ability

celest quail
#

I got a better axe recently, might give it another shot again

#

Watching heads fly was satisfying

frozen ibex
#

Yeah you deal 300+ damage to 4 targets every swing and you swing fast af.

#

Seems balanced whatthefuck_heresy

celest quail
#

Loooo

#

“Balanced”

#

We can make this work

south mortar
celest quail
#

O7

frozen ibex
celest quail
#

Quick question, how important is first target on a knife?

#

Forgot i had this

frozen ibex
#

It's a damage stat so pretty important.

south mortar
celest quail
#

Ff

quaint verge
#

Back to gambling

celest oasis
quaint verge
celest oasis
#

Is what u want

frozen ibex
#

Just use your mk6 knife.

#

That thing is a beast I would use that in a lot of cases.

proud jackal
#

not sure why but I feel like I'm struggling to manage hordes with this on my BP chorus spam loadout

celest quail
proud jackal
#

i mean... it could be cause I'm not used to running without TWBS tbh 😓

celest oasis
proud jackal
#

lol thanks ann 😆

ember yew
south mortar
frozen ibex
ember yew
#

i use wrath on these swords (MK4 and MK13)

frozen ibex
#

Also where team?

celest oasis
#

That or go practice tool vs 3-4 crushers at a time

celest quail
#

Right next to me in most cases

quaint verge
frozen ibex
#

Yeah knife with big dodge is so easy to deal with crushers.

#

You can poke them so easily.

proud jackal
quaint verge
#

Free overhead enjoyers? standespair

quaint verge
#

Makes me think of the time I watch a vet just walking infront of a crusher and shot it's head with a shredder

frozen ibex
#

Put momentum on knife and enjoy 3 meters dodge.

#

Well out of crusher range.

quaint verge
ember yew
#

@proud jackalotherwise both MK4 and MK13 completely obliterate hordes and all specials, aside from Carapace, much faster than Evis mk2 or MK15

celest quail
#

Replace crit chance with flak or maniac?

ember yew
#

the downside is weaker special and less attack reach

south mortar
celest oasis
proud jackal
#

I'll swap of SoC for TWBS

#

for now and see how I like it

frozen ibex
celest quail
#

The attack speed is to bust for 😩😩

celest oasis
frozen ibex
frozen ibex
quaint verge
#

Chastise any range ScrimboBimblerPajama

#

Fully loaded kant ScrimboBimblerPajama

#

Enables me to kill two crushers before the duration ends 796178882843246592

frozen ibex
#

Play blaze trauma. Bulwarks and crushers where? harold

quaint verge
frozen ibex
#

Melee maelstrom gaming be like with blaze trauma whatthefuck_heresy

#

Based infinite cleave armour ignoring flame staff.

south mortar
#

Hmmm, love the smell of napalm

celest quail
frozen ibex
#

Aye then knife revolver is the way then. Revolver also real good against crushers.

quaint verge
#

The ol revolver

#

Not the new one

celest quail
#

You right, i should be using my revolver more against them

south mortar
#

Crusher is also a pretty good weapon choice for a crowd of ogryns

frozen ibex
#

Can take out all specials fast and kill crushers. thumbsup_ogryn

#

Throwing knives are just so cool though. I guess on controller it's hard to quickly hit heads with it. 😦

celest quail
#

😭

quaint verge
celest quail
#

Id so would use throwing knives more if i was on pc

south mortar
frozen ibex
#

I think you can play mouse keyboard on console.

proud jackal
#

what's our best secondary (gun) for dealing with crushers and bulwarks on zealot?

celest quail
#

Something wasn’t working right

frozen ibex
celest quail
#

Not sure if it was the game or my keyboard

celest quail
#

Then again the keyboard was brand new soo

frozen ibex
#

But need chastise for crushers.

proud jackal
pale kelp
#

Can the knife, shroudfield, blades of faith build pull its weight?

quaint verge
proud jackal
frozen ibex
proud jackal
#

🙏

celest quail
#

Tf is chastise

quaint verge
#

Fury

frozen ibex
#

Without chastise then only revolver can deal with crushers.

quaint verge
#

The charging one

pale kelp
celest quail
#

Ooo

quaint verge
#

Chastise the wicked

frozen ibex
#

Bolter I guess I never use it. Too slow for me.

celest quail
#

Faithful fury

quaint verge
#

I saw that

proud jackal
#

ooo bolter could be spicy

quaint verge
quaint verge
proud jackal
#

just for some butt puckering action

frozen ibex
#

Bolter with rending is good, or chastise Bolter. But it's slow and low ammo.

proud jackal
#

will i pull it out on time or just die??? 😆

south mortar
frozen ibex
#

I don't like how they gutted Bolter so much.

ebon holly
#

What? They did?

quaint verge
#

Well, they gutted pinning fire

proud jackal
south mortar
frozen ibex
south mortar
proud jackal
#

😮

#

big brain

quaint verge
frozen ibex
#

I member pre 13 instant reload Bolter vet

#

My favourite build back then whatthefuck_heresy

quaint verge
#

I've even made a solid bolter PePeW

frozen ibex
#

I have not touch bolter since patch 13.

quaint verge
#

DMG,stability at 80%

frozen ibex
#

When next patch though? They been silence.

south mortar
#

Later in 2025

quaint verge
#

It's nothing new that they are silent after Xmas PePeW

proud jackal
south mortar
#

From their ability

frozen ibex
#

There's a blessing from bolter, or when you chastise.

proud jackal
#

ahhh okay

frozen ibex
#

My fortnight play time for dt dropped to sub 50 hours whatthefuck_heresy

ebon holly
#

So, not getting the Abyss penance

#

...Have rampage and headhunter on heavysword..

south mortar
#

Is it still at 75% or have they changed it?

ebon holly
#

CHanged to 25%

#

But not getting that amount

south mortar
#

Ah, gotcha

#

Just play at a higher difficulty and you’ll get it eventually

ebon holly
#

I am, know it at heresy

#

Took off my curios with health/wounds

frozen ibex
#

That's too hard I prefer sedition. SadgeCry

proud jackal
south mortar
frozen ibex
proud jackal
#

ohhhhh

#

brittleness is the same as rending?

frozen ibex
#

Yeah brittleness is team wide debuff. Rending is just for yourself.

proud jackal
#

ahhh okay

#

even better then 😆

copper hawk
#

Hai yaya

frozen ibex
#

So teammates hitting that crusher you shooting also do extra damage.

proud jackal
#

i like it

#

picasso

copper hawk
#

Saint my beloved..

#

Hru !!!

frank night
#

Go army!

copper hawk
#

Snoodler !!

#

There is a cat behind u mittins

copper hawk
#

(It's me)

frank night
#

soon

copper hawk
#

(Im gonna pounce on u and kill u)

copper hawk
#

Tippy tippy typey typey

#

Dubi dubi daba daba

proud jackal
#

x3

copper hawk
ornate bone
#

What's everyone's opinion on this?

left iron
#

Its a sword

south mortar
ornate bone
#

If you were to give it a tier rating.

placid fiber
#

Well... this wasn't too bad for my 1st time on Vet in a coon's age >.>

south mortar
ornate bone
#

Bad moveset?

south mortar
#

There are better options

left iron
#

...What

placid fiber
proud jackal
#

collateral is generally a dump stat right?

placid fiber
#

Yeah

muted vale
frank night
#

dawn of war?

frozen ibex
quaint verge
#

The unification mod PePeW

#

Trying to troubleshoot multiplayer with someone on Linux is pain

quaint verge
proud jackal
#

x3

quaint verge
#

Lemme fire up the pc, so you can see the 80% stability PePeW

ember yew
#

I expect something a bit earlier, maybe 2025. Jokes aside, maybe something in Feb.

placid fiber
#

I cut the corners of so much stuff on my Vet... all so I could have the full -0.5s stamina regen delay. And I have to say: It feels amazing, despite what I gave up

ember yew
#

January i guess is still free real estate

frozen ibex
#

Vacation on 10th of Jan whatthefuck_heresy

placid fiber
#

It feels so good to have the same stamina regen delay as psykers have, on my Vet... now what I want is a way to trade zealot's faster stamina regen for the psyker's stamina regen delay for the lulz xD

ebon holly
#

8th game trying for Penance

ember yew
#

which one

ebon holly
#

Abyss

south mortar
lone pecan
#

Run into horde, get "killed" and throw down a fire grenade and start swinging your melee, that worked for me.

ebon holly
#

Fire grenade works too?

proud jackal
#

which bless should I swap out for shatterring? this is going on my BP loadout

ebon holly
#

Since have been into horde and used my heavysword but not gettign that 25%

placid fiber
#

literally, I got that when it was healing the higher amount of hp on my 1st try when holy rev had a higher amount it could heal

quaint verge
#

Cavalcade

lone pecan
placid fiber
quaint verge
#

keep pinning

south mortar
#

Pinning fire x Shattering Impact

#

My favorite shipping dynamic

next crow
#

I hear the multiplier on holy revenant for melee is 6 percent

proud jackal
#

thankie all 🙏

quaint verge
#

i forgot to turn on nvidia broadcast while recording the bolter @proud jackal standespair

next crow
#

So you need to do roughly 15 times one quarter of your max hp in damage

#

Which is roughly 4x your max

quaint verge
#

my keyboard is loud PePeW

placid fiber
next crow
#

Yeah

placid fiber
#

I did that one when it was like 75% of your hp from holy rev

next crow
#

As long as you have a horde to hit, it should be guaranteed

left iron
#

Damn i received a sudden urge to prepare lasagna for dinner PepoG

#

But i dont wanna go to the store again

lone pecan
#

Shocking stuff penance on the other hand dead

lavish flame
#

Shattering is ass atm

#

Use it as is for zealot

proud jackal
celest quail
proud jackal
#

the stability is so nice!! 🤤

lavish flame
#

Atm due to how Bolter ADMs work, shattering is useless vs 90% of targets

#

And vs crushers iirc its only 2.5% brittleness per stack sooo

#

Its a lot of bullets to get it to stack up to a reasonable level

proud jackal