zealot-class

[fleet zealot]

"I didn't care for the music when I first got into the game so I just turned it off completely"

Grand Rapier

[solar gorge]

I ran cata games in vt2 with my own music on top, but i wouldn't dare for dt

[prisma sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gross-disgust-gif-13789077

[glass pelican]

yea like

we still won

[blazing fossil]

Enclavum Baross has the best music

[glass pelican]

but this dude sometimes had like 5 bursters behind him

and no reaction

so at first i thought he was lagging

but no

he just didn't use audio

[visual stream]

Reminds me of that guy screaming and walking towards the camera getting tased but I can't seem to find it

[solar gorge]

Like in dt you really need to hear the 18 specials who spawned behind you within neck-breathing distance (when they're not silent becaus fs)

[ripe quest]

With mods you could play deaf

[heavy arch]

They should add invading in Darktide

[solar gorge]

yeah but those mods are meant for people with impaired audition

[fleet zealot]

honestly

hot take

but i like fortnite's accessibility for audio

I would turn that on in a heartbeat it's actually so cool

[glass pelican]

i can at least respect the player somewhat cause he was still better than some other players i have played with in damnation

and that is with no audio

[fleet zealot]

oh boy my discord auto correct randomly changed languages

[glass pelican]

he is nerfing himself

too strong

[visual stream]

VoC veteran giving every single enemy in a horde a shield

[heavy arch]

Sounds fricken fun

[visual stream]

Sounds horrifying

[heavy arch]

[visual stream]

Imagine if they could TK for elite cooldown on ability so they run further in and kill some useless ragers or shotgunners so they can come back out and buff the horde again

[ripe quest]

I love that bug

So funny randomly having Danish or smth

[heavy arch]

would you play a friendly fire modifier

[blazing fossil]

Yes give me a reason to take nuke nade on Ogyrn

[solar gorge]

relatable

[heavy arch]

take nuke nade anyway

[next trench]

this not bad right? 🤔

[solar gorge]

I've never seen that blessing

[blazing fossil]

Big Friendly Dwayne Johnson is best Ogyrn nade

[solar gorge]

ppowderbun

in 800 hours

[heavy arch]

It’s only on shredder innit

[solar gorge]

tbf I don't use shredder

[heavy arch]

need more smg tbh

[solar gorge]

if recon wasn't so mid we'd have a nice las-smg

[old badger]

why doesnt zealot have a power claymore

we already have the scottish voice

[frosty herald]

half life 2 rtx has dlss 3.5

game is going to look insane

[solar gorge]

trailer looked clean

[jaunty lava]

Whaaaaat bb is soooo slow<

[fleet zealot]

BRUH HOW was that imagine decided explicit it's just a low quality ferret

[delicate shadow]

the munitorium says best we can do is an oversized falchion

[fleet zealot]

2h power sword is in the game files just hasn't been finished yet

[fleet zealot]

BR really revolves around EP and the talent that gives you quicker BB after you F

got any games on your vox?

[untold carbon]

They don’t have it yet

[solar gorge]

have faith

will drop this year

[fleet zealot]

i want the ogryn thugshot

[untold carbon]

Same

[fleet zealot]

single shot slug launcher? yes pls

[frosty herald]

probably the most desired weapon atm

[ripe quest]

hand held cannon

[untold carbon]

Bolt pistol? Melta? Double Barrel Shotgun? Absofuckinglutely

[solar gorge]

ogryn only need 1 weapon

barefists

that is all

[ripe quest]

A DB would be funny with Zealot

Give it manstopper and it would probs 1-2 shot a line of Crushers

Given a crit at least

[hushed agate]

I NEED a boltpistol for my right stone vet

Reg bolter is too clunky and slow

[untold carbon]

I need it for my commissar larp loadout

[atomic coyote]

i do that

[hushed agate]

Then add friendly fire to exercise your right to execute any ammo hogs

As a commisar do

[atomic coyote]

can only listen to so much darktide music before i wanna hear smth else

audio queues be damned!

ques? how tf do you spell that?

[untold carbon]

I never get sick of the ost

[hushed agate]

Couldn't you just turn down music

Instead of master audio

[untold carbon]

https://youtu.be/Tiw1sKOJz2w?si=IL4hVs8d528VmMkZ

Certified bop

[atomic coyote]

i do that, i just barely hear anything over the sick music i have in the background

but yeah i totally agree

[hushed agate]

I love this one its so good

[atomic coyote]

darktide music slaps

[solar gorge]

if i play any game with music over it I usually want to only hear the music

[atomic coyote]

ye

[untold carbon]

It’s basically a semi remix of Immortal Imperium, at least towards the end

[fleet zealot]

games that rely/need audio ques, I dont turn on out of game music

[untold carbon]

The first time I heard it I was in awe

[fleet zealot]

other games tho i blast some of my own shit

unless im nostalgia tripping

[untold carbon]

Light of the Imperium starts playing

Me for the rest of the mission

[atomic coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/groove-battle-gif-23557978

[iron seal]

Which laspistol do people prefer these days

[solar gorge]

I've noticed recently that it's not just special queues that are bugged when they spawn too close

when a horde spawns too close

you don't get the horde music

[hushed agate]

First

[untold carbon]

I prefer the mkX because I like handcannons but the mkII is still great

[hushed agate]

New one allegedly has ammunition issues

In general terms im speaking btw but i too do prefer first

[visual stream]

Wish that every boss made a roar/noise when it spawned like BoN does, dislike having to rely on the game music to know a boss spawned for the few occasions that I listen to spotify

Same with hordes, like horde screams from L4D

[untold carbon]

I use it on vet so I have no problems

Also, my absolute favorite part of the song

[hushed agate]

Well yeah its hard to run out of ammo on vet

[untold carbon]

But yeah it can have some issues with ammo

[hushed agate]

Would be nice so you could differentiate from bosses

[prisma sigil]

They do

[untold carbon]

Me when immortal imperium kicks in

[visual stream]

Not always, it happens most often to me on monstrous special missions

[hushed agate]

Beast of nurgle makes a gurgling choking noise, plogryn could make a low roar. And chaos spawn could have a high pitched scream

[untold carbon]

Chaos spawn is the easiest to distinguish

[prisma sigil]

I've never not heard them make the sound, but weakened monstrosities don't change the music

That's how you can know when the monster is real or weakened

[visual stream]

I know those don't change the music but knowing they spawned is still nice

[hushed agate]

Its hard to miss a hurdling pound of muscle coming for you at 40mph

[untold carbon]

The vet moments before he’s flattened by some horribly mutated abomination

[fading vale]

me when I press F

[visual stream]

On the topic of music, one of the OSTs is almost frame perfectly on-beat with spamming chord heavies and it just itches the brain good

[steel agate]

Spaming heavies, just like the emperor intended

[modest quiver]

ugh.. that feeling when you accidentally make the perfect meme knife

[placid fiber]

sigh tfw you paused time so long in rorr that you have time to rethink every life choice you have ever made... (i've been waiting for at least 15 minutes already lol)

"Maybe I should have made 5 zealots instead of a 2nd vet and psyker..." lol

[sour wraith]

yay or nay?

[placid fiber]

ehh, the ammo is pretty low, but, the blessings are pretty good

You can replace both perks, at least, and still not lose much value...

[sour wraith]

what would i want perk wise?

I mean idrc about the gun that much

[placid fiber]

flak and maniac, iirc

[still quartz]

For Honor Highlander cosplay

[old badger]

FUCK highlander

[still quartz]

I recommend you don't

[steel agate]

DONE ME CLASS

[still quartz]

DUN MA GLAS

YA BRA BRIALTAR (i know that's not what he says when he kicks you)

The only thing I hate about Highlander is his side Dodge attacks though

The fact that it hits in the opposite direction of his dodge throws me off too much

[native cargo]

asjljsaws>?

[steel agate]

For sure, I dropped FH when they added moar to the original 3 factions hero wise

That axe broski’s one shot move in team fights is nasty

[potent shuttle]

say hello to my little friend

[sour wraith]

is doomstacking hp or toughness the way to go rn

on the curios

[next trench]

am i the only one who thinks zealot only has a handfull of actually good weapons

and the power budget is in the character skill tree instead

[gusty condor]

you've started some kind of trend?

[brisk raft]

I wouldn't mind a shield and sword for Zealot

[next trench]

because like

when i play vet i feel that i can choose many other weapons

[blazing fossil]

wtf this bot was with us the whole time, FS should buff their damage

[north sedge]

Toughness

[obtuse solstice]

is dmg important on crusher

[placid fiber]

toughness lets you get away with a lot more, generally speaking

[placid fiber]

iirc defences is the dumpstat, so damage at least helps

idk just how important the damage stat is, though, for the crusher

[wary thistle]

game? excuse me? where is my drip?

[steel agate]

You hate to see it pal, I recommend going in #🎒support-issues in the bug report section to get this fixed

[wary thistle]

fair

[ripe quest]

Wait that's a penance?

What

[fading vale]

never heard of that penance lol

[wooden yew]

melee vet be like

[wary thistle]

apparently it's a known issue

[steel agate]

One that dropped during the talent tree overhaul

So makes sense that we don’t notice it

[ripe quest]

I 100%'d all Zealot penances I guess I just missed it

[steel agate]

Or y’know, was so piss easy/fast that it was gone before it could settle in ur brain

[sterile stone]

I wanna pop it with a pen

[ripe quest]

This is a penance too?

wtf

[wary thistle]

ikr? that's supposed to be hard too

[placid fiber]

I mean... that does help to try to teach newbie zealots that charging at ranged enemies is useful

[wary thistle]

most zealot penances aren't hard, they're just a grind

[wooden yew]

wdym

[ripe quest]

I'm just bewildered by it's existence since I missed it completely, I recall all of them being like the stun grenade one where you just kill stuff

[placid fiber]

the bon bon boil

[wooden yew]

so

i could make the dmg higher

i could add +25% and the ping keystong dmg

[native cargo]

The Atoman Snail's yellow happy spot

on the back

yes

[wooden yew]

knife dmg is nutty and one shots crushers lol

[twilit blade]

So close lmao

[azure mortar]

wdym, you got handcannon 4 ?

[wooden yew]

not a fan of the roulette

[twilit blade]

Because I just upgraded into a better version of this yesterday

[visual stream]

I thought that was already a penance since martyrdom was base kit pre-overhaul

Huh

[twilit blade]

And bad critcal bonus

Got this yesterday

[azure mortar]

I just meant that there was handcannon 4 to scrap and make a better version, but if you say you have a better version then you probably already have the blessing

[twilit blade]

I actually need crucian more lol. Haven't found a single sticker with it yet

[twilit blade]

This one upgraded and hit trickshooter 4 on its last upgrade

I swapped weakpoint to flak and am trying to decide what to do with the last one

[halcyon elbow]

i give up, flesh tearer II - IV doesnt exist

i build now like 30+ knifes

[wooden yew]

very nice

[ripe quest]

Hadron is trying to tell you something

[halcyon elbow]

maybe even 40 or more at this point

fucking fix the crafting already

gosh

[ornate bone]

Wait, the vet stealth gives a first attack bonus too?

[ripe quest]

At that point I'd just skip making a bleed knife

[ripe quest]

I don't think so, you just get some benefits after the effect ends

I'm not a Vet expert though so I assume that's how it works with the ult addons and the upgrades in the branches

[ornate bone]

It's what I assumed too, but I don't think I had numbers like these

Or maybe I was trying the wrong weapons

[halcyon elbow]

i got every blessing beside flesh tearer 😦

[ripe quest]

You got T4 Uncanny and Precog?

[ornate bone]

I got the uhhh uncanny mercy killer thingy

[halcyon elbow]

and melk is selling:

i got tier IV uncanny strike

and IV executor

[brisk raft]

63 finesse, not sure if enough

[halcyon elbow]

just saying because of flesh tearer xD

game litereally mocking me

[north sedge]

more bleed more bleed more bleed

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/chiyari-touhou-tenkajin-dust-gameplay-gif-13793785152832991849

[halcyon elbow]

i mean i have lacerate IV.. but even flesh tearer 1 is better than that right

[ripe quest]

Flesh Tearer will at the very least stack bleed whilst hitting weakspots for actual damage. Lacerate T4 will stack bleed faster than Flesh Tearer T1

[halcyon elbow]

i gonna hit weakpoints though..

[ripe quest]

Not that I recommend it for bleed application since you're cutting down those prep hit's damage by 4/5ths by stacking bleed with lacerate yeah

Unless you're going for a full stickerbook for collector reasons I'd suggest just skipping FT and doing a damage blessing instead

[halcyon elbow]

yea ig i slap uncanny on it

[ripe quest]

Uncanny + Precog/Executor

will do a lot of single target damage

[halcyon elbow]

gotta get a new knife

which gonna cost even moar plasteel.. yeee xD

[ripe quest]

Until they either rework knife's DoT synergy or they nerf the blessings it's not super worth it to run bleed on it

Even rending bleed damage is just kinda not worth it

[ornate bone]

The world if executor had the same stack conditions as uncanny strike

[ripe quest]

The world if Executor's increases were competitive with Precog

Yes Fatshark I'll take a 76% weakspot total damage increase for dodging mmyes

[frosty herald]

The world if executor didnt go away on misses

[north sedge]

uhh precog not even good lacerate all the way

[ripe quest]

Bleed knifers would kill for that sweet sweet 200 damage a tick

[open falcon]

Where is the build book?

[ripe quest]

We don't have anything like the Ogrynomicon but we have a weapon setup guide in pins.

[spare dome]

the only book you need is the holy book

whatever it's called idk i cant read

[open falcon]

Why

[blazing fossil]

Cuz us zealots are lazy. And like to drink

[brisk raft]

Stop calling me out

[ripe quest]

A couple reasons can be laid out, I think it was helpful for the Ogrynomicon to be made by a playtester prior to the updates release + them being good with Adobe. Zealot chat has a number of knowledgeable people who from what I can tell don't want to put that effort in, I know I wouldn't.

also like a couple attempts at a guide popped up and they got shot down, Zel chat will be doomed to just a bunch of smaller documents and word of mouth.

[glass pelican]

knife book when

[open falcon]

Psyker have build book

[north sedge]

well, go play a psyker. otherwise there's some pins and a build thread, or ask specific questions

[ripe quest]

Psyker has a couple people who genuinely like making guides.

I think Vet might too but I haven't checked on them in a while

[glass pelican]

Zealot players have more important stuff to do

like fighting about knife on chat once a week

[ripe quest]

Like argue about the viability of bleed knife daily

[static creek]

Lacerate deez nutz

[north sedge]

like sisyphus rolling a knife up the hill

[ripe quest]

[static creek]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-gif-20394188

[glass pelican]

[north sedge]

the only bummer about the overhaul was the knife roaring back to life

[cerulean forge]

Kniiiiiife!

[north sedge]

cause there was a long while where that dumb fight was actually done with

[cerulean forge]

I still bonk with hammar

[static creek]

KNOIFEEEE!!!

[cerulean forge]

KNOIIIIIFE

[ripe quest]

Here's the official guide truly incredible guys

[cerulean forge]

It reads as follows:
Have faith.
Use knife.
Scream for Atoma.

[static creek]

I inject 6-9 lacerates / day straight into my vein, i have a problem

[cerulean forge]

Nahhh. It's all in the name of the emperor so it's cool.

[steel agate]

THIS PARTY’S GETTIN CRAZY

[cerulean forge]

Mage.

It wasn't a party until you arrived.

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[steel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-dante-gif-21905093

[cerulean forge]

Damn straight lmao

[steel agate]

Thanks for kind word I enjoy Dante gameplay

I lowkey suck with Nero but somehow decent with el Dante

[cerulean forge]

Idk who that is or where it's from but.

I approve.

Girlyman approves

[fiery ingot]

https://youtu.be/Ud-3beZdwQk?si=1j7UlYTgjJu8gJOW

Has people seen this?

[ripe quest]

Dante
Dante from the Devil May Cry series

[steel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-dante-dmc-gif-23343958

[north sedge]

this is something we already knew

[steel agate]

He approves of u too, keep being urself

[ripe quest]

This is a known thing

[cerulean forge]

OH SHIT?

[fiery ingot]

Damn that's crazy

[cerulean forge]

I see it now.

[fiery ingot]

Has it always been like this?

[cerulean forge]

At first I was blind. But the emperor showed me the path.

[ripe quest]

It's really fun turning an Agri Shotgun into a horde clear weapon

[north sedge]

it's nice on lawbringer

and agri

[cerulean forge]

Is what

[ripe quest]

It probably popped up when they changed Scattershot.

So it's been a minute

[fiery ingot]

Scattershot bug

[cerulean forge]

Need a tune up for my hammer and flame build any tips?

(Gotta have a totem)

[north sedge]

it could have been before too, full bore had the same problem back in the day except that meant bad things because full bore wouldn't proc

[ripe quest]

This is possible yeah, nobody was using Scattershot so nobody would find out

[fiery ingot]

Wonder if they're going to actually fix this 🤔

Or maybe it will become a feature just like chastise downgrading enemy armor

[cerulean forge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-demolition-kid-hammer-bath-gif-16445330

[ripe quest]

If they ever find out about it maybe but Fatshark has been a bit weird with minor stuff like this

[north sedge]

maybe eventually, full bore got fixed, doubt it would be that high a priority

[ripe quest]

Despite how it stacks it isn't competitive with damage blessings except on Agri and maybe Lawby.

[ornate bone]

Is it the scattershot thing about it not actually needing to cleave, only have enemies in its path?

[ripe quest]

Yeah

[north sedge]

yes

[royal vortex]

just joined a hi5 smelter where everyone was dead and it spawned me at the start

[ripe quest]

If your pellets would hit with infinite cleave you'll get a scattershot stack

[north sedge]

did eye of the tiger start playing?

[royal vortex]

what did they die to? 2 fkin bulwarks, 2 flamers, some groaners, and a dog

[ornate bone]

Groaner W

I played one with a smite spammer that had surge staff and pulled it out idfk 3 times maybe

[royal vortex]

that was the most boring clutch ive ever had

how the fk do u even DIE to that

[native cargo]

Hardest clutch I ever did was hi int shock on hab dreyko at the very end

No nades. Had to actually think

[royal vortex]

someone else left and joe joined while i was walking to go rescue the other people

[marble bolt]

what perks do you use with this

[royal vortex]

im so lost

how did they almost wipe

[native cargo]

Gyattgryn

Uhhh

The dog op

[royal vortex]

i could count the total number of elites and specials on 1 hand

i dont even know if there was a dog it mightve spawned after

[opal dagger]

Hmmm. . . I guess I can work with that?

[static creek]

like talents?

[opal dagger]

Still doesn't make the KNEEF any less good.

[marble bolt]

yuuup my bad

[fading vale]

you can use it but specialists and thunderstrike sucks

[static creek]

stealth talent, inoxerable judgement keystone, beacon of purity aura w imolation grenade

[fading vale]

do not try to make a knife with those perks or blessings btw

[marble bolt]

is imolation nade better then knife?

[marble bolt]

why not 😭

[static creek]

ouch

f in chat

[opal dagger]

I suppose so. I can't think of a build with it that is nearly as good as the KNEEF build I use though.

[south folio]

your solo clutch aura debuffs the team

[royal vortex]

they died before i fkin loaded in

there was no outside interference

[ornate bone]

Auric is a fucking mess today

[south folio]

wow josho why would you do that to them

[royal vortex]

anyways i have this BANGIN agri iag on vet now

so all is good

[ornate bone]

I had a guy right by my side, I went down a path, got trapped, looked behind and the dude was half a mile into the other path that already had 2 people

Because fuck trusting people to go with you

[stiff mirage]

boss stealth backstab build is fun

[brisk raft]

Its either that or barrel them

[fading vale]

uncanny is strictly much better than ruthless and also buffs bleed, and lacerate is just worse flesh tearer and precog is recommended, cara is kind of ok, you want flak, second perk is kind of more up to you I suppose

[south folio]

soooo true

[royal vortex]

i am innocent

[south folio]

wipe the blood off of your hands before saying that

[marble bolt]

what secondary also im curious

[ornate bone]

I'm grabbing my shout vet, I can't carry school kids without healing them every few seconds and piercing walls with a plasma gun

[static creek]

lacerate w scourge talent does higher crit chance then flesh tearer

[static creek]

revolver

[royal vortex]

the pub ogryn also backed into a daemonhost that he knew was there and then planted his shield to await a bailout

so like

if i did barrel them

[fading vale]

no?

[royal vortex]

i earned the right to

(i didn't)

[marble bolt]

ahh im still b bit knew and have been usimg knife zealot and still havent leanred some of the weapon perks

[fading vale]

30% is 30%

[static creek]

bleed on hit vs bleed on crit?

[ripe quest]

The crit chance is the same between the two blessings

They don't change crit chance

[south folio]

bleed on body hit

[royal vortex]

@south folio is suppression immunity worth it on iags

[south folio]

somewhat

iags do sway a significant amount and get some inaccuracy

on the Columnus, I have no problem sprinting up to a range where I can spray and pray

your mileage may vary on the other two

[royal vortex]

im not a metaslave i enjoy the agri now

i played like 1 good match with it

[south folio]

bitch

[ornate bone]

Agri is unironically good

Same with graia tbh

[ripe quest]

Agri is if you want a little vet in your life but lack a vet

[south folio]

prob take suppression immunity if nothing else to avoid getting pissed off by the sway

[royal vortex]

all of the iags are some ppl just have brainrot

[ornate bone]

I think the agri might get shooter one-shots with vet buffs

Not sure about the graia, but maybe?

[south folio]

Columnus can hit one shots with max marksman stacks

so graia prob can

[royal vortex]

u can 1-tap gunners with a marskman/exe stance build

on agri

[ripe quest]

Columnus can 1 shot Crushers guys trust me

[south folio]

so true

[ornate bone]

Ewww marksman

[south folio]

ewew

[ripe quest]

I have 1k hours you can trust me guys

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[onyx solar]

ah fuck how did i reach 900 hours

stupid sexy game

[glacial stratus]

@royal vortex What do we think?

[old badger]

I only have 71 😭

[royal vortex]

p good

[south folio]

owo

[royal vortex]

i'd probs swap shred to bloodthirsty and use it for the crusher one shots

[glacial stratus]

thank you, you are a generous god

[spare dome]

i believe in wrath

[calm salmon]

momentum or bust on newviscerator

[spare dome]

and swinging my mouse left and right like a madman

[onyx solar]

I envy you

[north sedge]

🤔

[old badger]

no you dont i have 170hrs on starfield in 1 playthru

[glacial stratus]

do we like the perks on it tho? Or do I need to reroll something?

[royal vortex]

cara is necessary if u wanna use bloodthirsty to one-tap crushers

elites is w/e, u can keep it or swap it to flak

[glacial stratus]

but elites helps with crushers

[royal vortex]

yea

[spare dome]

alternatively you can already one shot crushers with a heavy rev and then Fury

[royal vortex]

the game spawns a lot of crushers nowadays

[spare dome]

it do

[glacial stratus]

and we need the blazing piety?

[timber hound]

what modifiers should I care most on an evis?

[spare dome]

nah just your dash

[north sedge]

with BT you don't need chastise

well BT and cara

i find it a bit awkward, but it works

[calm salmon]

values of light 1 for newviscerator since we were on the topic of believing in shred on it - unarmored, flak, maniac respectively

[royal vortex]

i run it because there's basically nothing else i can really use for damage

shred technically but that's pretty w/e without taking the crit talents

[glacial stratus]

shred bad?

[calm salmon]

neat, but meh. bloodthirsty or momentum for second pick after rampage.

On newviscerator I'd say so.

[royal vortex]

shred is ok

[calm salmon]

You'd only use it for CDR shenanigans

[royal vortex]

the second blessing p much comes down to w/e u want

[calm salmon]

the actual damage boost on the most common armor types isn't that meaningful

[north sedge]

i want cookie

[calm salmon]

it'll show up most on flak ragers and maulers

which usually just get shot these days anyway

[north sedge]

i dont shoot them

unless it's a smile

[calm salmon]

this is why I use momentum

[royal vortex]

i dont shoot ragers

i have far superior weapons for that

https://streamable.com/qta0u9

[spare dome]

the correct weapon

[royal vortex]

the revolver was just to get their attention

[calm salmon]

since binding throwing knives to mmb

they're way more fun to use

[spare dome]

warning shots

[calm salmon]

I wish I could hold it down though to change my crosshair

I find it hard to aim without the melee dot

[royal vortex]

crosshair remap my beloved

[calm salmon]

other crosshairs just have wide open empty spaces

[royal vortex]

why tf would i use half the fkin default crosshairs in this game

where it's just like

"THE BULLETS WILL APPEAR VAGUELY IN THE DIRECTION OF YOUR CAMERA"

thanks i knew that much

[calm salmon]

yeah the crosshairs aren't uh

good

that's for sure

BFG is the most egregious one

especially on plasma gun, where it has literally zero deviation

so a precise crosshair would ACTUALLY FUCKING WORK THERE FATSHARK

[timber hound]

what modifiers/stats are the most important on an evis?

[royal vortex]

doesnt the default plasma crosshair not show you the charge percentage

when you rmb

[calm salmon]

yup

[royal vortex]

everything except mobility/cleave targets

[calm salmon]

It tightens the crosshair

which IS the "charge up"

[royal vortex]

ideally mobility is the dump stat but a somewhat low cleave targets is fine

[calm salmon]

At full tight its 100%

[royal vortex]

lmao

[calm salmon]

so like, you get a vague representation of charge rate through the crosshair

but its only vague

[minor sage]

@royal vortex look in #psyker-class for a funny interaction

LOL

[royal vortex]

lmao

[timber hound]

😦

[maiden path]

i have that

[timber hound]

is that evis bad right?

[royal vortex]

if u want a crit build u can swap bloodletter to rampage and sprint to flak

and it's uh

decent

if ur not making one for a crit build that is p bad though

[calm salmon]

brick

best you could do is savage sweep

and flak

and have a craptastic crit weapon

Rampage+SS is the way to go on mk2 eviscerator

[timber hound]

gonna scrap it, I guess learn BL4?

[calm salmon]

yep

[timber hound]

workable?

[minor sage]

depends

upgrade and see

[minor sage]

nice

i think it's good

congrats

[timber hound]

what do I change?

[minor sage]

tell me what u think

and i'll tell you if your instincts are right/wrong

[timber hound]

Shred comes to mind

BL -> shred

[placid fiber]

They're getting smarter

It's... beautiful to watch them grow... in intelligence

[minor sage]

yep; or you can do a non-crit setup

and get rid of BL + crit chance

up to you

[old badger]

For a martyr build, should I take 56 health or an extra wound for my curio?

My other 2 curios are wounds

[minor sage]

I recommend a 2wounds + 1 toughness

[placid fiber]

I personally do 3 wounds on martyrdom, but, 2 wounds and 1hp is acceptable iirc

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967102699789221918/1194243946365341776/v09044g40000cmd1cv7og65o5c5vse3g.mp4?ex=65afa558&is=659d3058&hm=d10fd050bd69f69a2a03a4649d5bdf2b4dd06791febfa7535cb073d248d0f247& Yeah If you're gonna be running martyr I would recommend 2 wounds and toughness like Dis said

[old badger]

I think if I do anything but wounds it'd be an hp and not toughness as an extra buffer for poxbursters or just bad luck

[timber hound]

being playing for 5 days 😄

[minor sage]

go for it then lol

[placid fiber]

2 wounds and toughness, ah. I can't really remember for sure for other than 3 wounds on martyrdom lol

[minor sage]

do what u like

[minor sage]

i tried 3 wounds for a while, the problem is that saccing 3 curio mainstats ruins your base stats unfortunately

[old badger]

I pointed it out like that because Idk if it's a bad idea and I was waiting for someone to tell me if it was a stupid decision or not 😅

[placid fiber]

Been playing since december 2022 <.<

[median steeple]

make sure all of your curios have gunner resist on

[minor sage]

with 2wound + 1 toughness you can sit at 32% increased toughness which helps a lot

[old badger]

God I wish zel had a perk to negate suppression like vet does

[placid fiber]

toughness helps a lot with avoiding damage, yeah

[native cargo]

I promote gunner resist as well despite not having full gunner resist cus I can't be fucked to roll curios

[placid fiber]

Gunner resist is just good for front liners

Even more so since they buffed gunners

[old badger]

Gunners wouldn't be nearly so bad if you didn't start crawling every time one shoots you

[north sedge]

run twbs

and you wont

[placid fiber]

^

[median steeple]

so true

[old badger]

plan to

[placid fiber]

thy wrath be swift makes some impossible plays possible

[native cargo]

thy wife be swift

[old badger]

just haven't gotten to it yet

[placid fiber]

Shi-

[old badger]

From what I've seen, it affects gameplay way more than you'd think from its description lol

"15% movement speed? meh- HOLY SHIT"

[median steeple]

fatshark tooltip moment

[timber hound]

I'm going crit build for now, should I change maniacs to what?

[placid fiber]

no no, crit to flak

don't remove maniacs lol

[native cargo]

[placid fiber]

You can always change flak back to crit if you want a tiny bit more crit, but, 25% flak is WAY better than 5% crit >.>

[old badger]

Change it back?

Whut

[placid fiber]

for memes

idk

[old badger]

If you've already used 1 modification, you wouldn't be able to change it back right?

[native cargo]

You can change whatever you modified

[fading vale]

you can change something you modified indefinitely

[placid fiber]

If you edit 5% crit to 25% flak... you can edit the 25% flak to any other stat...

for a cost now

I honestly prefer the newer system to the old one

rolling up to 904385034985 times to get the stat you want was painful...

[fading vale]

also you want to swap bloodletter

[minor sage]

fuck rolling

lmao

[timber hound]

I know, I have already a Psyker god roll 😂 working on my Zealot 😉

[fading vale]

back in my day..... we had to have mods to roll perks 1000 times

[timber hound]

1 year(s) ago?

[placid fiber]

Same

[fading vale]

that was so shit man

[placid fiber]

back in Lazorr's early days there were no hammer guides

[median crow]

can one of you more pious zealots bless my flamer before we head out

[placid fiber]

there was only the one and only Lazorr

[fading vale]

everyone hated the hammer back then

[placid fiber]

I wanted to like the thammer, I just was too busy leveling x.x

[north sedge]

hammer is smelly!

[placid fiber]

since I didn't power level myself I just played and had fun

[north sedge]

you never stopped leveling the fuck are you talking about

[placid fiber]

Tru... maybe I do need 5 zealots...

[royal vortex]

[median crow]

Ive been reading slander that an Ironhelm is almost as good as a crucius if not better for more situations assuming both are perfectly rolled

[fading vale]

I learned I have 1/6th of all zealot channel posts mentioning hammer and 1/10th of all in the whole server

[median crow]

im curious to hear what you maniacs think

[placid fiber]

You are the OG hammer main

[median crow]

My zealot main build for endgame auric is a slightly modified version of that hammer build you sent me

[fading vale]

I don't like ironhelm but it's solid, sucks versus maulers and crushers a bit but overall it's solid

[placid fiber]

I don't have a weapon specialty, per say, I have a skill set specialty(meaning clutching) x.x

[median crow]

praise the master and his works

[placid fiber]

If I don't need to clutch? I might suck ass lol

[fading vale]

they need to delete the overhead heavy

[north sedge]

but mah overheard

[minor sage]

jokes on u

there's still no hammer guides

[median crow]

I also exclusively play hammer/flamer

[minor sage]

cuz laz is a lazy piece of shit

[royal vortex]

crusherchads stay winning

[placid fiber]

Tru, there's only Lazorr...

[north sedge]

ya'll sleeping on knife

[median crow]

since probably late november last year

[placid fiber]

All hail Crusader Lazorr!

[fading vale]

I mean a hammer guide would be like.... git gud basically

[placid fiber]

Soon to be a space marine xD

due to his fantastic thammer useage

[median crow]

Have you changed up your build at all in the last few weeks?

[glacial stratus]

@royal vortex @spare dome the new eviscerator is kinda busted?

[median crow]

or do you typically have it down to a science

[timber hound]

My 1st hammer, I know is bad but I was just testing stuff:

[royal vortex]

yea its p good

[placid fiber]

Lazorr has the hammer down to a science

[median crow]

not actually that bad tbh

[glacial stratus]

also I went with the shred...

[fading vale]

I still use the fire nade second wind one

[median crow]

swap momentum for thrust as high as you can

[placid fiber]

There is only 1 love for Lazorr: thammer(crucis, not ironhelm). All other science is heresy

[royal vortex]

i have like 3 different mk 15 evis's despite not enjoying the weapon all that much

[gilded cairn]

Is it ever worth it using Thrust on a combat axe?

[fading vale]

not really

[median crow]

real talk aside from low pen this is pretty solid

[fading vale]

unless you are going for a stealth boss killing meme on caxe

other than that no thrust on caxe

[median crow]

if I saw a guy oneshot a DH with an axe I'd turn the game off

[placid fiber]

the fact you can change momentum to thrust... this is a pretty nice 1st thammer

[spare dome]

it do indeed kick a good amount of ass

its slow as fuck though

like just awful

[timber hound]

when I get it, I don't have many blessings yet 😦

[gilded cairn]

I can buy a trash purple axe with Thrust IV from the "special list".

[spare dome]

but it makes up for it in damage thats for sure

[glacial stratus]

if it was HISTG it would be much harder

[median crow]

100000% do this

if you dont own it

100000000% like do it right now

[placid fiber]

You don't know how lucky you are to get that good of a thammer early lol. Sure the 2nd perk is basically wasted, but, everything else? chef's kiss

[median crow]

wait

no

[gilded cairn]

No?

[median crow]

I'm stupid I misread that

I thought you said hammer

zealot brain kicked in

[gilded cairn]

Ohh I wish it was for hammer.

[median crow]

thrust IV for hammer might be the hardest you can punch the buy button in darktide

[fading vale]

thrust 4 is ungodly difficult to roll on hammer

[placid fiber]

My 1st thammer had like 39% crowd control lol

[gilded cairn]

Can't quite afford the axe yet, but I have like 12 hours to get enough material.

[placid fiber]

I loved that hammer...

[median crow]

I remember almost jumping out of my chair when I saw hammer thrust IV the first time

[fading vale]

basically if you roll thrust 4 within a month of playing go buy a lottery ticket

[median crow]

actually made my entire day

[placid fiber]

^ Truth

[median crow]

1~ year later this is my current auric hammer

[gilded cairn]

Hmm I would love to get thrust 4 on my hammers but at the same time, we are talking about Darktide Thunderhammers.

[fading vale]

this is what I use

[median crow]

I basically did the vince mcmahon falling backwards out of my chair when hadron gave me slaught IV on an upgrade

[fading vale]

sad these 3 are in the bin though

[median crow]

i had to quadruple take

[median crow]

80/80/80 dam pen first target.... fffffck you

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[median crow]

so jealous

[fading vale]

🙂

[median crow]

is that weapon modification mod

or did I miss an actually good hammer skin

[north sedge]

its imperial edition skin

[fading vale]

that is imperial edition

[median crow]

this one

[fading vale]

oh

[median crow]

I have imperial edition yea

[fading vale]

mod yeah

[gilded cairn]

Those hammers have nothing on my special artificially increase the difficulty level hammer.

[fading vale]

I forgot about that

[median crow]

kk

[gilded cairn]

Live without thrust hard.

[median crow]

we really need a fancy hammer skin

shrineguard or some shit

[fading vale]

hey on the bright side all you need to do is replace the blessings

[median crow]

gimme a mimi adeptus astartes hammer skin

[gilded cairn]

I still don't have thrust, is stuck on this hammer and I refuse to destroy it.

I hate the Ironhelm

[median crow]

you have... four hammers with thrust/slaught IV

wtf

[fading vale]

Oh I have several more

[zealous seal]

Flamer with Blaze Away, 25% Unyielding Perk, and Purge the Unclean Talent for 20% more Unyielding Damage is probably the easiest Monster dps in the game. Max Burn stacks doing nearly 1000 dps. Not the quickest but it's nice.

[fading vale]

I've spent probably 20m ordos on hammers

[median crow]

me vs lazorr

[median steeple]

lazorr is hording all of the thrust 4

[fading vale]

slaughterer 4 is the only t4 I can roll consistently

I've never rolled thrust 4

and headtaker 4 like.... maybe twice?

[placid fiber]

Huh, this was my 1st good thammer. It was purple when I got it from Melk

[median crow]

I think elites and flak are better in my situation since I have hammer for boss kill

[gilded cairn]

No no no, what you need is to craft 3 gold hammers in a row and get Shock & Awe Tier IV in all of them

[fading vale]

yeah I run flak elites on my flamer

[placid fiber]

It was 33% cc, on my 1st good thammer Lazorr

not 39%

[fading vale]

[median crow]

and yes IK inspiring is not great I have overpressure IV waiting to go on when it's fixed

(pls fix it fs)

[placid fiber]

Unless you have an autopistol with it

[median crow]

crushers = elites right?

[placid fiber]

Yes

[fading vale]

then again I pretty much only use flamer for scab melee only, and yes to crushers being elites

[median crow]

yeah ofc I just wanted to be sure

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile I would be counted as a special, cuz I'm insane >_>'

[median crow]

It's really good for dealing with a hallway packed shoulder to shouldr with armor like 10 guys deep

it only takes me the initial scrum between the team and the pack to put a load of dot on everyone even the guys in the back that we can't hurt yet

[fading vale]

I just love using kant/lawbringer a lot so I usually run those, or sometimes a brauto or revolver

[placid fiber]

Hey, Lazorr. I found a wound curio with 20% gunner resist and 10% dockets that was purple for one of my zealots, I got it obviously. >.>

From Melk I mean

[zealous seal]

That's fair. I run Mk15 Eviscerator with my Flamer so with such a versatile Melee and Blades of Faith for Specials the Flamer kinda takes on the role of my grenade. Clears out elite packs or big hordes and does more than respectable Monster dps.

[median crow]

UI have been waiting PATIENTLY for a good evi to roll for months now

I was originally an evi main at launch before I understood hammer

but I just cant get a damn decent one and hadron is even worse

[spare dome]

I love the throwing knives

[median crow]

literally The Great Filter for my fucking weapons

[spare dome]

Plus toughness on dodge is stupid good

[zealous seal]

I want to pick up the Ironhelm personally. It looks interesting.

[placid fiber]

Another throwing knife lover! :3

[fading vale]

apparently you need maniac perk to one shot ragers with throwing knives, but I only run maniac on ranged so it's just like.... ugh

[median crow]

thanks hadron

[placid fiber]

Shoulda stopped at blue x.x

[spare dome]

just take out your ranged

the knife will also benefit from anoint in blood that way

[median crow]

thanks hadron

[glacial stratus]

@spare dome @royal vortex Who can help me beat HM twins?

[fading vale]

if I wanted to take out my ranged to use a throwing knife.....

[glacial stratus]

@fading vale

[spare dome]

that's what you gotta do

[placid fiber]

I've seen worse lol

[fading vale]

at that point I'll delete ragers with ranged which all ranged does

[placid fiber]

Just imagine the 5 stacks of pinning fire buff- Oh wait, pinning fire got omega nerfed XD

[ripe quest]

Bro is calling the avengers

[spare dome]

i dont really do the twons

[glacial stratus]

I need help doing the HM

[fading vale]

I haven't been in the mood to play

[glacial stratus]

who will help?

[placid fiber]

I'm thinking about playing some tonight

[median crow]

i have no memory of obtaining this???

[placid fiber]

I tried enter the gungeon and got my ass handed to me by a mini-boss on the 2nd floor >.>

[ripe quest]

I imagine LFG channels have people looking for a HM Twins clear

[glacial stratus]

hadron it and report back to us

[median crow]

how long has this been in my inventory ffs

[glass pelican]

i got lucky with that cause i played in like 3 groups? and the third one we beat the twins second try

it didn't take me as long as other people

honestly i spent more time actually looking for a group

[zealous seal]

One thing with the Flamer that has made me pull it out in more situations is the fact it has a deceptively long range. With a high Cloud Radius you can reach ranges of 23 meters. After realizing that I now push Gunner lines by pulling out my Flamer and spamming the primary fire to stagger lock them and just walk up.

[native stump]

this worth grabbing from melk?

[median crow]

the primary fire stunlock is crazy

[fading vale]

yeah people always say flamer has no range and I'm like.... bro it's 23m

[median crow]

one of the few things that will stagger ragers

[ripe quest]

The range of Flamer goes beyond the damage falloff range of the shotguns it's kinda funny

[median crow]

amazing for getting a little breathing room, then you light them up

[placid fiber]

It has no range, against the 1 thing I am paranoid about: bombers and snipers over 30m away... x.x

Since you can't rely on randoms to kill them

[fading vale]

most maps that doesn't even matter

[median crow]

If my team can't handle snipers and bombers like that when I'm one shotting crushers every 2s and instagibbing hordes, then we don't deserve the clear

[fading vale]

I slide puff at snipers with flamer all the time

[zealous seal]

Solution. Get really good at knives. And procede to miss them anyway.

[median crow]

it takes 1 or 2 seconds of attention 90% of the time to kill snipers from a vet or og

[minor sage]

use throw knives lol

[placid fiber]

How do you know what I would do? Are you spying on me?!

[minor sage]

you can arc them

[median crow]

as long as someone has a rifle in the prep screen idc

[placid fiber]

I just prefer the brauto with my heavy sword...

[median crow]

the occasional runs where you end up with like 2-3 or even 4 flamer zealots is hilarious

[placid fiber]

Granted flamer would help a lot with monsters

and crusher gangs(when I was using chastise)

[fiery ingot]

Is flamer good for bosses and should I chastise it against them?

[fading vale]

chastise flamer is only for crushers

[placid fiber]

Flamer can hurt bosses gud

[median crow]

just realized ive saved up 10k steel... shit. now I want to spend it

[placid fiber]

this ^

[median crow]

or anything with armor on right

[fiery ingot]

Ah okok

[placid fiber]

and maybe maulers lol

since they might melt a tad bit faster

[fading vale]

no, flak and unarmored ADMs are both 100%

[placid fiber]

Nevermind, I stand corrected and flogged

[fiery ingot]

Thats actually very good to know as I was also chastising against flak ragers

[median crow]

is that just a flamer thing

[placid fiber]

verbally x.x

[minor sage]

i'm gonna chastise laz

[fading vale]

for example, chastise laspistol on flak does less damage to flak than without chastise

[placid fiber]

Still the heavy sword and brauto seems to fit my playstyle better since I am not great at pushing(forwards)

[fading vale]

it's just weapon dependent

[median crow]

that is extremely useful information. wow. thank you. I was flaming gunlines of flak guys, then chastising to close the gap as they panicked and I thought it was giving me more DoT

[fiery ingot]

Yeah samr

[placid fiber]

Flamer is great if you know how to push, and aren't as much of a panic gamer as I am >.>

[fading vale]

don't get me wrong, chastise is a great option for movement with flamer, but it will only buff crusher damage

[ripe quest]

Technically you also get the attack speed increase as well

But that's so-so

[fiery ingot]

For some reason I had a hidden input in my head that chastising with flamer in any situation would make the burn go brr gamer

[median crow]

I see that the alacrity stim increases the firerate of the flamer, at least it seems like it uses ammo more quickly. does this let you apply stacks faster?

[placid fiber]

I mean besides crusher groups I would use chastise with the flamer to get closer to a gunner group quickly

[fading vale]

which is pretty whatever on flamer and tbh when you have max burn stacks you don't want to waste more ammo with a flamer especially cause blaze

[ripe quest]

This is true yeah

[median crow]

is there a good way to judge when you've hit max stacks on a target?

[placid fiber]

I don't know how fast the burn ticks stack, I should probably use the meatgrinder to figure that out so I know when to stop firing with the flamer

[fiery ingot]

So against bosses I should stop flaming when they get max burn stacks? Then I swap to melee?

[fading vale]

it should be 15 ammo for max burn stacks I think

[placid fiber]

but I panic so I am more likely to just hold the fire button down rather than use logic and switch weapons >.>

[median crow]

wow just 15????? shit

[fading vale]

max burn stacks and then you can puff to keep stacks up or swap to melee yeah

[fiery ingot]

Sometimes i feel like dagger does more consistent dmg to bosses than flamer

[placid fiber]

That's why the inspiring barrage autopistol is so good for me, as a player

[median crow]

is that enough to fully proc blaze away

[woeful pecan]

Is the best curio setup 3x toughness w/ HP, toughness, and gunner resist?

[fading vale]

yeah this is regarded as best, or 2 toughness and 1 HP curio

[median crow]

if base flamer mag was 30 then yeah 15 ammo spent would proc blaze away's 5th stack

[placid fiber]

I've been a toughness zealot supporter since... january or february of last year

[median crow]

that's a good visual gauge

[woeful pecan]

Even with the diminishing returns on gunner resist?

[fiery ingot]

Wdym diminishing

[fading vale]

I'm actually not sure if you can swap to puff after doing secondary fire and maintain blaze

[fading vale]

it's multiplicative

[fiery ingot]

Ohh really?

[placid fiber]

With the toughness node after benediction being fixed I can see 2 toughness and 1hp a lot more than I used to

[median crow]

Oh I was just more meaning its a good approximation of when you can stop shooting

[fiery ingot]

Fuck I thought it was additive

[median crow]

ill test what you meant

[fading vale]

you can swap the 3rd one for a sniper resist or something if you want

[zealous seal]

Keep in mind crits with the Flamer apply 2 stacks instead of 1. So that number could be smaller.

[median crow]

so when I see my 5th stack tick for blaze on my hud I know I'm probably at or near max stacks

[ripe quest]

2 stamina 1 wound for general use

[median crow]

good point

[fiery ingot]

So...there's no point in 3x gunner resists then?

Since its multiplicative

[minor sage]

no

[median crow]

I run 2

[minor sage]

lol

[woeful pecan]

3x gunner resist, the last one only gives like another 11% resist

[minor sage]

multiplicative is still good

[fiery ingot]

Fml

[fading vale]

I mean, it still gives you more resist

you get to like 50%

[median crow]

meanwhile I'll happily run 3x 10% dockets

[unreal sedge]

whats more important on the knife, finesse or movement?

[median crow]

so

[minor sage]

why do ppl suddenly have the idea that multiplicative is bad

[ripe quest]

It's the difference of 0.64x and 0.512x

[zealous seal]

I run Blazing Piety because it just works so well with both Eviscerator and Flamer. They both love Crits

[placid fiber]

Are dockets additive? for the dockets buff

[fiery ingot]

Yeah but Id be getting more if I swap the other 2 for something else

[ripe quest]

I'll check for you

[fiery ingot]

Finesse 10000%

[median crow]

anyone have any idea if this is the case?

[placid fiber]

finesse

[fiery ingot]

Yeah but I was sitting here thinking I had 90% gunner resist lol

[fading vale]

fire rate should apply stacks more quickly

[placid fiber]

Nope, lol

[woeful pecan]

I rarely get sniper'd, but when I do, it hurts.

[minor sage]

ok tldr; additive would be too broken

[median crow]

and I guess I should also ask how exactly blaze away and the flamer interact

[minor sage]

multiplicative still gives you 20% damage reduction per curio

[fading vale]

wdym

[median crow]

does BA buff the ticks of damage? the stack application? Idk

[placid fiber]

THat's why I like sniper resist as one of my stats on curios since when I am getting tagged... usually it's cause I am cornered or playing poorly

either way... sniper resist can be important then

[minor sage]

but additive would give you 33.3% damage reduction from the third curio

[median crow]

"Power" is kind of a nebulous concept

[fading vale]

it buffs burn

[median crow]

oh good, was hoping it worked like that

[south folio]

power = damage, stagger, and cleave

[placid fiber]

^

[digital yacht]

just do +9 stamina

[placid fiber]

on an ogryn

[median crow]

+2 stamina on weapon

[timber hound]

which of these blessings is good or best, to learn it:

[north sedge]

Precog

[placid fiber]

do all block efficiency sprint efficiency and stamina curios on an ogryn with uh... stamina regen

[fading vale]

no it goes from 80% to 64% to 51% with multiplicative

[median crow]

might as well do my weekly "Is Overpressure fixed?" check

[south folio]

overpressure is the one that doesn't work as expected right?

[median crow]

lol arco...

[placid fiber]

first you take 80% from the 1st, then 80% of 80% for the second, then 80% of 80% of 80% for the 3rd

[south folio]

something along the lines of giving ranged power instead of the general power

oh

hello there fellow overpressure asker

[north sedge]

Yes

[fading vale]

yeah overpressure is ranged_power which does not effect burn

[ripe quest]

It uses a different classification from the usual additive_multiplier and multiplicative_multiplier that matches something like +wounds, afaik it'd be additive.

[minor sage]

yes, but it's still 20% EHP

[median crow]

yeah I think OP only buffs the very weak primary action damage

or does nothing at all

it doesnt influence the burning dot

[placid fiber]

for resistances...?

[fiery ingot]

20% ehp against gunners they mean

[minor sage]

no... numerically this is correct, but in terms of EHP this is wrong

[median crow]

what happens if you have 4 zealots primary fire puffing the same guy

does he just fall the fuck down

[placid fiber]

I mean they do 80% damage, then the 2nd one makes them do 16% less damage, then the 3rd one makes them do 12.8% less damage

[minor sage]

let's say you're taking 80% damage; with another 20% DR, you're now taking 0.64 / 0.80; which is 64% of the original amount, but it does give you 20% EHP

[minor sage]

on the original value yes

[placid fiber]

On the total value

[fading vale]

I do not understand your logic, sure relative to 2x gunner resist it is 20% more effective, but not relative to the number gunners actually do

[minor sage]

no. you have to calculate damage in video games in terms of EHP

[median crow]

do players have any kind of vulnerable hitboxes or is it just getting hit anywhere does the same amount of damage to you

[placid fiber]

you take 51.2% damage

[ripe quest]

20% DR is a 25% increase to effective health.

[minor sage]

because if you don't you end up with shit calculating world

[fiery ingot]

I don't think the target will get more dot stacks over itx maximum thereshold regardless. Else you could just keep flaming the same target over and over and applying infinite burn stacks

[minor sage]

wild*

[placid fiber]

so you are taking 48.8% less damage

[minor sage]

for example

if it was additive

[median crow]

oh i dont mean the burn

[placid fiber]

you would take 60% less damage

[median crow]

I meant just staggering the hell out of one poor guy

[south folio]

sadistic

[median crow]

push him through the entire level

[placid fiber]

wait... I think I get what Dis is getting at

your effective hp vs gunners with 60% resistance is 2.5x what it would have been

with 0% resistance

[minor sage]

first curio would give you 20% , second one would give you 25%, third would give you 33%. if you're looking at 0.8/1.0 vs 0.6/0.8 vs 0.4/0.6

but because it's multiplicative

each one technically gives you 20% resistance

to damage

[median crow]

people in here would run 9 10% Gunner resistances if they could

[minor sage]

right.

[south folio]

1000 chicken sized horses or 10 horse-sized chickens

[placid fiber]

Am I picking up what you are putting down, Dis?

[minor sage]

that's why additive numbers in video games often are ridiculously overpowered

[median crow]

taking damage from a gunner < death

[minor sage]

correct

[quaint verge]

Or a singular Stan?

[placid fiber]

I understand what Dis is getting at, now

God I hate math...

[timber hound]

Any of these blessings worth from acquisitions?

[minor sage]

we can apply the same concept to cooldown reduction

cooldown reduction in video games is stupid

that's why most games shifted over to ability haste

[placid fiber]

20% cdr is 80% if it was additive

[minor sage]

because cdr gets more OP

the more you have

[ripe quest]

1st curio would give you 25% more effective health, 2nd would give you 56% more effective health, 3rd gives 95% more effective health.

[placid fiber]

with 20% it would be 60% which means you could use your ability 2.5x more often

[minor sage]

going from 0% to 20% is VERY different from going from 20% to 40%

correct

[median crow]

ends up with abilites you can cast as fast as you can resolve the animation lock

which is annoying

[placid fiber]

where as with 20% total you are able to use your ability 1.25x as often

[minor sage]

TLDR, gunner resist is still good

take 1, 2, or 3

it's always good

just your own personal preference for how many to run

[median crow]

hypothetical

[placid fiber]

Fuck I hate understanding maff...

[median crow]

FS introduce a new curio perk

Shooter Resist

[pale kelp]

even with enduring faith and good balance?

[median crow]

Applies to all dreg guys with rifles and the scab shooters

[placid fiber]

It is still increasing your effective hp, so yes

[median crow]

would you guys run it

[minor sage]

yes because gunner resist will always do exactly what it says it does

it doesn't fall off

[pale kelp]

50% toughness dmg resist and 25% dmg resist respectively

[fiery ingot]

I still don't understand a single thing you guys are saying but I'm supporting everyone all the same

[median crow]

curio perks are a hotly debated topic lol

[pale kelp]

me neither but I guess i do have the space for it

[minor sage]

tldr, video game math is hard so don't be too hard on fatshark

[placid fiber]

God, Dis... Why did you get my brain working at full capacity? Now I have a headache xD

[median crow]

Ive seen legit fights over it in this discord

[minor sage]

lololol

yeah i learned all this shit

from playing poe

[median crow]

tldr run 2 gunner resists and move on with your life

[minor sage]

you should try it

[fiery ingot]

Nah the crit dmg perk calculation is legit trolling

[minor sage]

yeah that's a very unusual way to do crit d

[median crow]

remember how "rending" used to work?

[minor sage]

in video games LOL

[fiery ingot]

Exactly

[pale kelp]

here I'd just been running stamina, toughness and hp like a pleb

sidenote on the topic of curios, Wounds? y/n

[median crow]

no

[placid fiber]

Now the only way that additive is less op is when it is additive for dockets amounts instead of multiplicitive right?

[pale kelp]

k ty

[placid fiber]

since that is a positive value instead of a negative value

[median crow]

Wound curio is never good except maybe on psyker

[minor sage]

yep lol

in general, the way video games work

[pale kelp]

is what I was thinking too but I see people running +1 wound quite often