zealot-class

[ember yew]

but you can always check

and swap flak with carapace if not

thats why these flexible slots (in your case) are great

[potent stirrup]

[minor sage]

fyi, once you're level 30, you no longer progress by buying items in the shop

your progression is now buying gray items

and rolling for good stats

just in case you weren't aware

[naive star]

Well that depends if you got lots of money or not, i got little gametime, but i have time to check the shop through browser extension multiple times a day and go buy good items from there, so thats what ive been doing

[covert blade]

[naive star]

I got like 20k ordo dockets right now for example, so buying greys from brunts in hopes of RNG giving me something decent isnt good option

[ember yew]

and thats why i will still be using +30% Ordo dockets from missions for a long time

just wasted around 5 millions dockets and around 32000 plasteel

and

NEVER.GOT.A.SINGLE.ONE.MK15.SHRED.RAMPAGE.EVEN.3.3

[potent stirrup]

lmao

happened to me too

Also

dont buy from brunts

get the web extension

[naive star]

Ive gotten couple 380 already from Armoury Exchange

[potent stirrup]

and just check it every hour

its much better than wasting ur time grinding for orbo dockets

[covert blade]

it broke -_T

[potent stirrup]

no?

[covert blade]

well for me it did

[potent stirrup]

works fine for me

only one of them broke

the white one

[covert blade]

oh theres another?

[potent stirrup]

The one which required ur access token and let u purchase directly broke

the shitty black one is still working

[covert blade]

yeah that

oh ok

thanks

[potent stirrup]

Honestly i dont even bother playing the game anymore

just check the online extension for good gear

and do weeklies

[ember yew]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/armoury-exchange/

[potent stirrup]

thats about it

[ember yew]

this?

[potent stirrup]

ur wasting ur time if ur actively grinding

[potent stirrup]

yep

[ivory verge]

ty ty

[potent stirrup]

dont know if it works on firefox

i only use chrome

and it works fine for me

it was fixed when the major update came in

[covert blade]

works opera gx

[ember yew]

how do i remove account settings

so i can see the shop

or i need to login (ingame) once after setting up account

[potent stirrup]

remove account settings?

[potent stirrup]

yeah u need to login once i believe

[covert blade]

this how you code it right?

[ember yew]

cant add or see anything there

how to remove these setting from dashboard

cant see the shop

it seems like account linked no problem, but its just does not show anything

welp, i tried, to hell it is then

oh

so firefox was blocking this extension

you need to manually approve the use of this thing on this website in ext.settings

[distant lagoon]

hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmvlnxjdzcQ

[naive star]

Mk III is what you want though?

[lean lark]

both are good

mk3 is more single target focused, mk6 has better cleaving lights/horde clear from what most people say

[polar nexus]

i made that for my vet

what should i do?

[ember yew]

cant do much here, either flak or maniac instead of weakspot

rampage/shred is fine

[polar nexus]

went for flak thanks

[keen silo]

is this worth getting?

[ember yew]

Melk weekly tokens?

no

[polar nexus]

no

[keen silo]

yes melk

[ember yew]

hardskip

[keen silo]

but man it has skullcrusher IV

i dont have it

[ember yew]

you dont need it for this weapon

[keen silo]

Oh only crucis 2?

[ember yew]

you need it for Crusher

Crucis 2 also dont use it

[keen silo]

ohh

nevermind then

[ornate bone]

degeneracy

[ember yew]

for mk2/mk4 you are looking for Thrust IV, Headtaker IV or Slaughterer IV

as a priority

[keen silo]

gotcha

forgot

[ember yew]

👌

[celest cave]

Ok, i spent 3,5mil ordos for dclaw and got whole 1 usable base that Hadron bricked. Crafting rework when, FS.

[jolly bridge]

Flamer is still a good weapon - Change my mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9O1AnZXrRw

I recently saw quite a few posts & videos claiming flamer is bad. I respectfully disagree. I think people make 2 mistakes that lead them to believe it's bad;
1) They use it when they shouldn't (for things they can quickly kill in melee)
2) They don't create enough space when using it

As a result I've decided to make a video with examples of WHEN TO and NOT TO use the Flamer

[fading vale]

I want to punch anyone that still says flamer bad, it's like a bad joke that's gone on for too long

[lean lark]

have fun punching the probably thousands of people in the reddit who keep saying it

i have a strong feeling those are the only few who still say flamer is bad

[fading vale]

like how incompetent do you have to be

to be shit with a flamer

[hot thunder]

tought Hadron brickt this Beauty , then tried it with some impact perks from the Talent tree and its actually really really good , dont throw if u get one of These perks

[jolly bridge]

I read quite a few posts on FS Forums and Reddit lately about "flamer needing some love" then I watched a video "showcasing" why flamer is disappointing and all I saw was people trying to flame crushers or compete in killing single elites with a flamer versus an autogun. Obviously, flamer is gonna be bad if you try to kill 1 elite with it

[fading vale]

nobody in this channel believes flamer is bad

[ornate bone]

its a flamer

[naive star]

I just wanna finish "kill 40 stunned enemies" and flamer seems to be the way

[ornate bone]

its not meant to kill elites or specials

[fading vale]

but yeah reddit and youtube have major skill issues

[ornate bone]

its meant for crowds

[lean lark]

flamer is meant to kill elites and specials (when they're packed up and not alone)

[fading vale]

flamer is one of if not the best weapon for mixed hordes

[frosty herald]

I only think flamer is slow

[fading vale]

and for clearing/diving ranged packs

[naive star]

I got pretty one waiting that i find Blaze Away blessing for it

Then ill give it a go

[lean lark]

i mean its only competition for mixed hordes is kant shotgun

imo atleast

[fading vale]

not to mention you can use the puff to stagger specials and ranged etc while you approach

[lean lark]

only the kant can hold a candle to it if we're talking zealot weapons

[naive star]

Read you can throw knife to make pulling out flamer lot faster

[fading vale]

like good luck finding anything better than a flamer for scab melee only

[sonic totem]

2 flamers

[golden anchor]

4 flamers and no veteran for ammo 🙂

[lean lark]

rending shockwave trauma with soulblaze talents

thats the only other good thing

that melts scab meleeo nly

[fading vale]

ok sure trauma staff, but I'd still prefer both trauma and flamer

[lean lark]

oh 100%

trauma is my go-to when theres a scab melee only

[ember yew]

just wasted around 5 millions dockets and around 32000 plasteel
and
NEVER.GOT.A.SINGLE.ONE.MK15.SHRED.RAMPAGE.EVEN.3.3

[lean lark]

no ammo requirement, can make breathing space by staggering enemies

[fading vale]

you actually don't want multiple flamers cause the way burn ownership works

[ember yew]

[frosty herald]

I should get a sunder powersword for scab melee only

[lean lark]

one other thing i could see work in scab melee only is like

purgatus psyker while having duelling sword

[golden anchor]

THere's always slab shield lol

[lean lark]

so you put max soulblaze stacks then stack uncanny

[golden anchor]

brain off heavy beats the game

[lean lark]

that could technically also be able to melt through scab melee only

[golden anchor]

with your eyes closed lol

Bleed Shield is pretty silly but it doesn't get that much flak for being absolutely busted

so it probably won't be nerfed for a few years lol

[fading vale]

yeah ideally you would have no more than 1 of any dot source on the team for scab melee only

so soulblaze + burn would be quite nice as well plus a rending trauma, that would destroy everything

[frosty herald]

Scab melee is the ultimate testing grounds

[polar nexus]

that was definitely a good idea, that chord carried me during a solo clutch

[ember yew]

[lean lark]

taunt shieldgryn with rumbler
flamer zealot
survivalist plasma/bolter/revolver(maybe)
trauma psyker

that is guaranteed win

for scab melee only

[fading vale]

yeah

[frosty herald]

Survivalist in scab melee nahhhh

We geek hard

[lean lark]

rumbler taunt shieldgryn in that mode is beyond fucking dumb

you aggro everything on you then just drop shield while your teammates kill them

or wait until you get your taunt and start chaining rumblers

[golden anchor]

or just having a smite psyker for anything

[fading vale]

ugh

smite psyker is absolutely mind numbing

[golden anchor]

all those carefully crafted team comps getting invalidated by one simple trick, click here to find out!

[lean lark]

every smite psyker ive ran into sucked major balls and didnt do anything of use in the game

[fading vale]

they just constantly smite whatever is in front

[lean lark]

i swear dude

i like remember vividly

[golden anchor]

probably because good players would rather play something else lol

I've never used smite in 1300 hours

[lean lark]

just seeing a smite psyker smiting 5 bucketheads

for a minute straight

[golden anchor]

(I did use surge staff back on release but I meleed between the lightnings)

[lean lark]

i rarely see voidstrike psykers now

isnt voidstrike still very much so busted

[golden anchor]

yes, very

[frank night]

Biden BLAST

[fading vale]

idk why, void is still quite strong

[lean lark]

probably another chainsword type of moment

[golden anchor]

Probably because it's not braindead easy, it takes a wee bit more effort

[fading vale]

they were like omg a slight nerf the world is over

[golden anchor]

but still dumpsters everything just fine

[fading vale]

and dropped it

[frank night]

I feel like the 'I carried by staggering an entire horde' (they stared at 20 poxwalkers getting tazed for a full twenty seconds) brain rot is strong

france

[sharp zodiac]

I still use it, especially with surge

The blessing

[lean lark]

the french are here

[golden anchor]

[naive star]

sad clicking noises on the upvote arrow

seems id have to be registered/login'd

[lean lark]

i thought gameslantern would have decent builds

but like i think i saw

maybe a dozen people coming here with the stealth meta build

on it

[frank night]

my stereotypical pub psyker experience is that they have surge or purgatus

[fading vale]

I was getting angry at pubs so crab played a game with me and just followed me around spamming void the whole time, Jesus christ his damage was bonkers

[frank night]

and they kill a bunch of poxwalkers

and then stuff comes from two directions at once

and they get killed

[golden anchor]

I hate playing with my friend when he plays voidstrike lol

literally nothing to do even on maelstrom

[lean lark]

purgatus is still pretty fucking great too

but now gunpsyker is the new "hip" and "swag"

[frank night]

this is a pub player bad issue not a weapon issue in my exp

[golden anchor]

Gunpsyker is pretty good though

[ornate bone]

gunpsyker is pretty strong

[polar nexus]

I wish there was not a charge on the lmb plasma, only on the right -____-

[naive star]

Cant wait to hit lvl 30 on my psyker and test voidstrike staff, for leveling it was kinda weaksauce

[golden anchor]

at least the assail version of it

[ornate bone]

I just dislike it because the people who play it

[frank night]

lmb plasma should be able to blow up

[ornate bone]

tend to think that gun psyker = I hog all the ammo and use it on hordes

[frank night]

take off the toddler training wheels

[frosty herald]

People who dont use scriers gaze are weak

[golden anchor]

Voidstrike needs surge to start feeling dumb so its like power sword all over again

[naive star]

Psyker leveling experience been = spam assail and melee some trash mobs while in waiting for more ammo for it

[lean lark]

most gunpsykers are 99& gun 0.8% melee 0.2% blitz

ive seen surge gunpsykers

[polar nexus]

Oh right I forgot about that lmao.

[ornate bone]

yeah pretty much

I'm ok with people playing how they like

[naive star]

Im using the warp thing on psyker just in hopes ill get warp battery penance done and new helmet

[ornate bone]

it's just pretty painfuil seeing people waste their ammo on trash mobs

[polar nexus]

That's not me at least -_-

[ornate bone]

just spam left clicks with ur sord

[golden anchor]

60% assail 30% melee 10% gun basically

[lean lark]

maybe its just eu players

[ornate bone]

Psyker can access claw and dueling sword anyway, and it's pretty solid at horde clearing

[fading vale]

gunpsyker is largely caused by stupid OP zarona

[ornate bone]

nah I see the same issue with gunpsykers here in SEA

[golden anchor]

you mean columnus

[ornate bone]

but then at the same time I see very few gunpsykers at the same time

[fading vale]

that and columnus IAG sure

[ornate bone]

so they're probalby just having fun with the crit pewpews

I see Plasma Vets the most in SEA atm

alongside just normal Zealot Chainsword+revolver

[frank night]

the gluesniff build uses plasma

[polar nexus]

Yeah feels like I am the only one sometimes

[fading vale]

plasma is so damn strong

[golden anchor]

still running laspistol lol

[frank night]

plasma is one of them where it's very good but a massive feelsbad when something doesnt get oneshot

madge

[ornate bone]

Plasma is solid as hell

[golden anchor]

Plasma is OP

[ornate bone]

I just don't like it sometimes cos the pull out speed is not what I like

[fading vale]

50 cleave uncharged

is uh

yeah

[sharp zodiac]

Pretty balanced

[ornate bone]

I prefer VT2 style of quick swap quick tap stuff go back to melee

[oak ermine]

balanced

:)

[frank night]

i feel like the cleave behaves weirdly

[ornate bone]

and there's only like 2 guns that allow that

[frank night]

but I have no numbers on this

[ornate bone]

Honestly I just want the vermintide 2 Saltspyre crossbow back 😔

[frank night]

I'll be firing at a clump and for some reason nothing will be perishing despite hit markers

anecdotal only

[golden anchor]

Agri slug shotgun technically

is a crossbow lmao

[ornate bone]

True

What I would give to have bounty hunter guaranteed crit after melee kill back tbh

quickswap kill melee => ranged => back to melee was the shit

[golden anchor]

OG weapon specialist

[polar nexus]

Point blank

[ornate bone]

and since you had the OG crossbow

[polar nexus]

• weapon specialist

[ornate bone]

you killed like 4-5 rats instantly

and didn;'t even need to reload

[golden anchor]

BH hypest moments are still executing bosses with purple pot, then executing the elf after for good measure

[ornate bone]

( since the crit was a free shot )

[ornate bone]

WAR FUNDING

[golden anchor]

I actually did that once because stealth elf was behind boss after it died 🙂

[ornate bone]

Extra points if you -

yeah lmfao

Extrapoints if you kill them and the boss at the same time

"I was aiming for the boss ^_^"

[golden anchor]

blap

[ornate bone]

just lose 90% of their hp

[golden anchor]

Some sort of weapon that functions like hagbane would be cool

[frank night]

give friendly fire modifier

[ornate bone]

There's time yet to get that anyway

[frank night]

I'd say I would kill the ogryn myself

[golden anchor]

They'll probably add that in as a modifier eventually

[ornate bone]

I have no doubt Darktide will get more weapon expansions ( and even class dlcs ) eventually

[frank night]

but I would run out of ammo before breaching their toughness

[sharp zodiac]

I do recall being shot a lot when I played elf

By my own saltz

[frank night]

blam blam blam get shot

[golden anchor]

[open bramble]

is she gonna drink it through her mask?

[golden anchor]

[azure mortar]

plaplaplap

[ornate bone]

Is abhor the mutant penance bugged?

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

elf magic

[wintry frigate]

From Armoury Exchange. Hadron don't brick plz!

inb4 stopping power is 79% item is trash!111

[frosty herald]

Its gonna brick

[somber drift]

You only need Flak + Maniac and DumDum, so it should be fine

[tranquil summit]

opinions on the usefulness of the boltgun?

[ember yew]

stronk, but slow swap speed and low amount of ammo

[polar nexus]

You can animation cancel with the knives https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1KZ6jMeyuRptCl/d1337AE1QTqM?invite=cr-MSxMeDQsMTk5NzEwNjkzLA

[lean lark]

perfectly balanced

a very solid weapon

[potent stirrup]

is stability important on shotgun?

[lean lark]

kinda, its spread

more stability = less spread = easier to hit full shots

its fine to have it at like 50%

or 40%

[fading vale]

it basically doesn't matter, if you like to hipfire the kant it can even be beneficial for multiple elites

[potent stirrup]

so which shotgun is best?

their damage all seems to be the same

[lean lark]

kant

[fading vale]

kant

[potent stirrup]

but kantrael's dps is pitiful

[fading vale]

what

[lean lark]

huh

[potent stirrup]

yeah i bought 3 million dockets worth of kants

but im comparing its dps to lawbringer

and its just not dealing as much dps

it shoots way slower

and each shot isnt that much more powerful

[fading vale]

it does the most damage of any shotgun and has a fire shot

[potent stirrup]

yes

most damage per shot

definitely not most damage per second

[fading vale]

pure dps doesn't matter that much

it will one or two shot more things

[potent stirrup]

yeah it 2 shots reaper

but so does lawbringer

[fading vale]

and the fire shot deletes packs

and pens bulwarks

and has infinite cleave

[lean lark]

if you run any attack speed talents the kantrael shoots faster

[hollow mantle]

The bulwarks part is pretty damn significant

[lean lark]

which makes it have the highest dps

[fading vale]

and it has the best hipfire

[frank night]

post steve

[inner crane]

https://tenor.com/view/steeve-deep-rock-galactic-drg-rock-and-stone-pet-gif-17313533354918160613

[hollow mantle]

You can do some dumb throwing knife cheese with kantreal too. Well you can do it with any shotgun but the kantreal alt fire makes it way easier to do whenever

[lean lark]

kinda looks like a bowling ball

[potent stirrup]

attack speed talents for guns?

[inner crane]

what a unit

[potent stirrup]

do those even exist?

[fading vale]

momentum and chastise

[potent stirrup]

ah

[lean lark]

attack speed affects guns too unless specified

i.e. "melee attack speed"

[frank night]

excellent steve

[lean lark]

or you know, fatshark tooltips

[fading vale]

he is beauty he is grace

also, this isn't to say lawbringer is bad

I like lawbringer

but strictly speaking kant is best and has most utility

[desert vessel]

why is shotty better on zealot than on vet

[hollow mantle]

Zealot doesn't get plasma gun

[desert vessel]

I see, so its nothing to do with zealot making shotty better

[fading vale]

and also shotguns kind of synergize more with zealot playstyle

Quick swap time, multiple roles etc

[frank night]

altho you can play shotgun on vet but bear in mind I make builds while huffing paint

[fading vale]

yeah shotgun vet is fine

just relatively worse compared to other vet options

[frank night]

anything that can be bent and battered into a weapon specialist build

altho i mostly play that for the melee

cos i find melee solves more actually problematic situations than a gun does

(esp when the vet melee choices are so fkn oppressive to the entire enemy roster)

[lean lark]

shotgun vet had the capabilities to be one of the best dot builds in the game

[fading vale]

psword go brrrr

[lean lark]

before they fixed onslaught

rest in peace...

[frank night]

i will end up making an exe stance WS shotgun build and be told to go and kiss a bumper on the highway again

you cannot make me take my meds

[lean lark]

what about the bumper

could it make you take your meds

[frank night]

no

altho the method to the madness of the gluesniff build only really works with plasma

cos of the cleave

[hollow mantle]

I heard you like cleave

[native cargo]

punch her 4head

[hollow mantle]

Enjoy potato quality cleave

[frank night]

i know u have manstopper mf

oh

knife

cryonic rod

[lean lark]

wait they didnt fix the manstopper thing yet

[native cargo]

stop men

no

enable men

[hollow mantle]

It's applying to the knives

[native cargo]

This is an extraordinary steve

[fading vale]

only on throwing knives

[hollow mantle]

With scatter shot giving permanent 60% extra crit

It's not great or anything. But it's been fun

[lean lark]

so can throwing knives still get handcannon?

[hollow mantle]

Yeah

Can guarantee it with surgical handcannon

[fading vale]

yeah they just inherit all the blessings of the weapon you are holding basically

[celest cave]

What is blessings people running on lawbringer tho? Scatter and manstopper for memes?

[fading vale]

and the perks

[fading vale]

scattershot no respite

[celest cave]

Will try it. I tried memes, but feel not so satisfying as i thought initially.

[fading vale]

it works with manstopper but in my experience manstopper is just more funny and overall much less effective than no respite for general use

[hollow mantle]

Pretty much

You might get one moment to fill a kill feed with it in game

[frank night]

i tried deadshot scattershot lawbringer on vet when i had a good long sniff at the spray paint

[hollow mantle]

But you'd get the same thing done just shooting them 3-4 times

It might have some use for hitting trappers/snipers through dense horde with the knife

[fading vale]

lawby with scattershot and no respite is quite fun though, I enjoy it

[frank night]

it's difficult to tell how stupid any of the painthuff builds are until I go with a premade

[hollow mantle]

But I haven't had any real crazy games running it yet to see if it will matter or not

[frank night]

because in pubs I end up having to just kill everything myself

regardless of if I'm gimping myself or not

[frank night]

i think i got snookered into only having fire frenzy or something

[fading vale]

I run FF on the kant

[frank night]

also for me shotguns REALLY dont like being on the US server

so it goes horribly whenever I am in the premade

[lean lark]

had this since i first hit level 30 on zealot

i thought of trashing it when fire frenzy was turned to attack speed

but decided to just keep it

havent regret that since

[fading vale]

that's more or less what I run except I think I have 80 damage

[cerulean jewel]

noice

[fading vale]

now just hope you get a useful perk AND a useful blessing

[cerulean jewel]

yeah

it's praying time

[lean lark]

this is the only ironhelm ive rolled

and will roll

[cerulean jewel]

nice

[lean lark]

because this is just the meme ironhelm

like an offbrand psword

[fading vale]

man I wish shock and awe actually did something

[cerulean jewel]

pretty much

[lean lark]

it would've been pretty cool if shock&awe like made it so powered hits cleaved 2 elites

[celest cave]

Don't put too much pressure on FS. All brainpower went to the class rework.

Few years later we will see, how they get rid of blessings, that doesn't do anything.

[cerulean jewel]

also, that t4 momentum is perfect for my toughness tank build

[frosty herald]

That would be so gas

[fading vale]

you kind of need slaughterer or headtaker for ironhelm 1 shots

with thrust of course

[frosty herald]

I wish there were more unique blessings

That have 1 tier and change the playstyle of the weapon

[cerulean jewel]

yeah, I wanna get one of those blessings on it

[lean lark]

cant wait for fatshark to totally add the datamined twohanded sword

its going to be so cool!

[celest cave]

[lean lark]

i havent found a weapon that is as fun and as good as the mk6 hsword

or as impactful as the crucis thammer

getting kinda stale

[celest cave]

dclaw

[cerulean jewel]

bleed knives?

[cerulean jewel]

dclaw parry is op

[lean lark]

i have tried plenty

[celest cave]

This meme gone to far.

[cerulean jewel]

antax caxe is nice (with brut momentum)

[gray ice]

gimme 2h power axe dammit

I'm glad we're at least getting more variants, I was hopeful for one or two brand new weps tho

hello there ann

[quaint verge]

[drifting wolf]

me when no 2 handed chainaxe, don't even know what purpose it would serve, just want it

[celest cave]

Purpose of killing heretics, why you even have a questions.

[gray ice]

if the answer is more 2h weapons the purpose fulfills itself

[frank night]

just use two hands on your existing weapons ?

https://tenor.com/view/duh-sarcastic-whatever-gif-874996418923210673

[celest cave]

Only 3 2h weapons in game while countless 1h variants exists

I just want duel this motherfucking mauler 1v1 in amphitheatre while injecting stimms in my eyeballs.

[gray ice]

Well if you heavy with the Hsword and chain axe you use 2 hands

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-1630712686706559038

[gray ice]

so that brings it up to 5 weapons right

[native cargo]

BLOOOOD

[sharp zodiac]

Well what you should do

Is lift the weapon with your mind

[gray ice]

I have no time for your witchery

[sharp zodiac]

Think about it

It's the equivalent of holding someone hostage

[tropic pelican]

When can i bring just an actual mortar

[lean lark]

we get it you're french

you have psychic powers

[gray ice]

my psyker uses revolver to cast brain burst

it's super effective

[native cargo]

Luna being a witch again?

Down woman. There is a time and place for witchcraft

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-real-brainfog-gif-7666610795160025826

[native cargo]

[gray ice]

I need to give gun psyker a try but I'm prolly gonna be dog water at it, nonetheless looks fun

[native cargo]

gun psyker tutorial when

[frank night]

France

[peak grove]

Now

[frank night]

wine

cheese

[quaint verge]

Easy 700k DMG

[native cargo]

post mittins

[peak grove]

So you take the gun and you shoot the eretics

Simple as

[gray ice]

listen I made the TABLE AIGHT

[native cargo]

Do I edge my peril when I shoot?

[gray ice]

my contribution is done

[native cargo]

Your contribution is done

[frank night]

he is no longer of use

kill him

[native cargo]

Here is my contribution

[gray ice]

yea I've seen some scrier's action and imma try it and detonate myself one or several times

[peak grove]

I know some people who edge when they shoot idk

[gray ice]

sprints away maliciously

will probably go find a scrier build after a smoke and gettin some foood

[quaint verge]

Get 5 stack of non-warp kill, quick swap to assail, back to shooting

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/uwu-gif-10892930391485888472

truly incredible

[gray ice]

swap as in fire some shards for the dmg stack bonus?

[native cargo]

that cats evolved

[gray ice]

or is there some interaction where you just swap and swap back

[quaint verge]

#psyker-class message

[quaint verge]

The 5 stack of non-warp boosts warp dmg

[gray ice]

ye that's what I thought, okay

[quaint verge]

[gray ice]

how long are you typically able to stay in scriers for?

even getting kills to slow it down, it seems like you don't get too much time in a single window

[quaint verge]

untill you cant quell it down anymore

but you just aim heads while in scrier anyways

[gray ice]

trueee

[quaint verge]

since you get a buff after gaze ends

[gray ice]

all that time I spent not aim training about to pay off

[quaint verge]

depending on amount of kills

[nimble fiber]

relatable

[frosty herald]

fuck aimtraining

all my homies shoot the negev in the general direction of the enemy team

[gray ice]

ayyyyy it's the homie

what's happenin mane

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

i fuckin hated trying to aim in csgo and actually got pretty decent at just using shotguns instead, it would piss people off

[nimble fiber]

ayyyy wazzup
chilling in the mourningstar and 🍃 u?

[gray ice]

just finished myself, logging in to fail some psyker games

[nimble fiber]

hell yeah dude, glhf🍃

[gray ice]

The one you linked me used deimos, do you recommend that in particular or that was just what you were using?

Cuz I have a Duelling that I would probably run

[gray ice]

you too brotha, glhfhf

[nimble fiber]

I'm crazy and play with an illisi

[naive star]

Hey could i upgrade that precognition and it wouldnt count as one of the two changed blessings/perks?

[frozen glen]

no

[nimble fiber]

oh

[frozen glen]

knife has low rolls anyway

[naive star]

Yeah, was just wondering as i heard you can always upgrade em higher if you got only low ones, that if it somehow bent those rules

(blessings that is)

[gray ice]

I respect it, I still bring out the Illisi quite a bit, it's good fun

[gray ice]

Unfortunately, it does not

[versed escarp]

kind of at an impasse here

rev it up is just a placeholder overriding a bad blessing

Anyways what do I do here

I'm like, just a sliver of damage away from one shotting a dreg rager with the chain special

should I swap carapace for maniac to hit that breakpoint

or do both blessings

[verbal thunder]

Won't the bleed kill the rager then?

[versed escarp]

yeah

so that's the other option

[verbal thunder]

Good enough then as long as it doesn't take too long for him to die

[versed escarp]

leave bleed on and then

[cerulean jewel]

replace the placeholder with a better blessing

[versed escarp]

what should I swap rev to, do y'all think?

[verbal thunder]

Depends what you want

I really like cleave on the eviscerator myself

[cerulean jewel]

cleave is great

[verbal thunder]

I become a living blender

No heretic shall go unblended

[versed escarp]

savage sweep it is

[verbal thunder]

Your team and you will both appreciate the added horde clear

[fading vale]

swap both blessings

sweep and rampage

5 stacks of bleed isn't gonna do a damn thing really

[cerulean jewel]

shotty or autopistol?

[celest cave]

For what>

[cerulean jewel]

a toughness-based tank build

[celest cave]

Agri isn't the best choice on zealot, autopistol kinda fine, but not in the good position relative to otherranged otpions.

[flat marsh]

Personal choice imo, but shredder is probably objectively better

[fading vale]

I'm really not sure what you mean by tank build

there aren't really role builds outside of running something like chorus

[flat marsh]

He wants to be a large container for a liquid

[fading vale]

all zealot builds should have good toughness

[flat marsh]

My role as a knife zealot is designated crackhead

[lean lark]

columnus

[sinful widget]

I'm currently running a mk12 chainaxe with ok stats, what gun should i pair it with and what blessings, character skills should i pick for it?

On zealot btw

[cerulean jewel]

the autogun?

[lean lark]

yeah

or an agri brauto

[flat marsh]

Whatever you want. Zealot isn't ranged heavy, so it's all personal choice

Revolver is always a good pick right now

[cerulean jewel]

don't have one

[sinful widget]

Which revolver?

[flat marsh]

Zaruto

[celest cave]

Zarona

[cerulean jewel]

is the graia iag a good choice?

[flat marsh]

I forgot the name again

[lean lark]

no

[cerulean jewel]

alrighty

[lean lark]

graia is the worst of the autoguns

its good

but its the worst of the 3

[fading vale]

top ranged: zarona revolver, agri brauto, columnus IAG, other braced autoguns are solid too, old laspistol, flamer, kant shotgun, lawbringer

[lean lark]

if you cant get your hands on an agri or columnus just use graia

[cerulean jewel]

I have a agripinaa iag

378 base rating

[sinful widget]

What blessings should i get for a mk12 chainaxe?

[lean lark]

dont forget bolter

[fading vale]

I refuse

[sinful widget]

Rn i'm stuck with bloodletter on mine 😴

[cerulean jewel]

nice dmg (80) and stopping power (78)

[gray ice]

wait actually, did graia buff do anything for them

[cerulean jewel]

headtaker

[gray ice]

I took one out after for a couple games and I mean, it felt okay

[sinful widget]

Is bloodletter ok?

It only works for special attack so idk how useful it would be overall

[cerulean jewel]

I mean, if you want single target dmg it's pretty good

[flat marsh]

Barely. Most single targets will die from the axe instead of the bleed

Unless you have to really cancel a shred short

[nimble fiber]

ah yes I love when someone shoots a burster while Im trying to push it

[sinful widget]

Is a stack of bleed dmg significant or meh?

[frosty herald]

Dont use bloodletter for chaxe

[sinful widget]

I'm new so i trolled myself by getting that blessing locked

[abstract venture]

Don't use bloodletter for anything if you want bleed there's a perk 2 down on the right side of the tree called scourge that gives bleed on crit and also gives you 10% crit chance when you hit a bleeding enemy stacking to 30% chance

[sinful widget]

That's one blessing slot wasted

[silk sail]

bloodletter is fine

new chaxe hordeclear isn't terrible now and I run bloodletter + rev on one of my axes

its hella fun

[abstract venture]

I wouldn't say wasted I just prefer to save my blessings for bonuses that I can't get from anywhere else

It could definitely rip through a plague ogryn with bleed stacks doing absolute work

[silk sail]

chaxe gives the max stack of bleed stacks and rip cancel for dot application has its uses

[sinful widget]

Do u use rev for that general mobility boost?

[abstract venture]

I find everything dying within 4 hits on damnation in an ideal situation with most passives active

[sinful widget]

Or just for closing the gap?

[quaint verge]

Eh, what ever floats your boat

[abstract venture]

I used rev for ages I can vouch it's fun at lvl3 or 4

[silk sail]

I use it as much as I can afford to

[abstract venture]

Blessing lvl3/4^

[silk sail]

it's also not a bad blessing if you're stuck with it

[abstract venture]

Run around at mach 2.7 vacuuming up mats and dodging crushers

Speaking of Rev my old chainaxe roll had it

Pls tell me I made the correct choice in blessings

[sinful widget]

Ok last question: fury or chorus and piety or judgement?

[silk sail]

Slaught Headtaker is the safe choice

[abstract venture]

I use fury and martyrdom?

If you're talking builds chorus and piety is also solid

[abstract venture]

Flakiac is better than specialists+flak?

[silk sail]

yep

[abstract venture]

Finally did a weapon correctly

[silk sail]

you don't need specialists whatsoever on chaxe

a light rev deals with the entire roster

[abstract venture]

I assume so I slice snipers and shotgunners like butter

[silk sail]

I actually put infested on mine for the hordeclear

and I personally run this with Judgement for the rev vwoom synergy

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-serious-stare-suspicious-gif-5319823

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-buffer-its-time-now-gif-9608337

[abstract venture]

I plan to use a XV chainsword with 200% cleave on 3 targets hit if I'm doing ogryns job

[silk sail]

I still have the old axe for slaughtaker combo

[abstract venture]

Exact same rolls different axes that's amazing

Wouldn't be rare at all but it's a first for me

[copper hawk]

Yez

On cod

Im not squidding u

[silk sail]

well if the chaxe is 1 shotting everything with rev I'm just taking infested to deal with the majority of other encounters

gren zomboys

[abstract venture]

Mindless light spam with my XV sword has got me through a few missions I would have been sweating on if I had my axe

[half fog]

I bought my first thammer last night

it felt disappointing

just a bit slower than an eviscerator?

[silk sail]

fury generally has good synergy for chain weapons as activating mid latch will usually 1 shot everything up to crushers

[abstract venture]

I'm rolling thammers once this new sword decides to drop

76+ on all but mobility I hate that I personally NEED stats that high

[sinful widget]

interesting

[silk sail]

judgement is more loadout agnostic and you can't really go wrong with it

[olive raven]

Fury has good synergy with everything tbh

[abstract venture]

My sword one shots crusher damnation

[sinful widget]

i hate that i have to get suppression boost tho

[olive raven]

Uh

[silk sail]

fair

[olive raven]

Suppression is something not bad to have

Especially when using ranged is needed

[sinful widget]

yeah but i run a mk9 shotgun

💀

[olive raven]

It’s just a travel node so 🤷‍♀️

Depending on the build, you are still taking that point

As unless it’s martyr-chorus, you will grab it most likely

[violet hornet]

Thammer deals all it's damage up front with the special vs after a delay with chain weapons so there's a bit of an advantage fighting single targets with a thammer. Thammer's main role is bonking monstrosities though, no other weapon comes close to the single hit damage output

[abstract venture]

Thrust+ what blessing?

[olive raven]

Headtaker

Or slaughterer

[abstract venture]

And perks are flak and ?

[olive raven]

But headtaker is nicer

And unyielding

[abstract venture]

Hadron is laughing at me in 3 weeks of rolling and scrapping until I get it

[olive raven]

A perfect Crucis for me would be: Unyielding, Flak, Thrust, Headtaker

[violet hornet]

Yep thrust and either headtaker or slaughter, for perks you want unyielding and likely flak but 2nd perk is pretty flexible. I'd take what my ranged weapon pairing is poor at

Headtaker procs on hit, slaughter on kill so maintaining stacks with headtaker is easier

[abstract venture]

What's ideal dump stat? Single stat or could a 63% dump and 70% on another low priority stat be considered top of the ladder?

[half fog]

90% of the time I'm trying to do a blender impression instead of doing the big bonk tho

[violet hornet]

Crowd control can be partial dump stat, you can lose a bit of pen and be okay but I'd make sure damage and first target are as high as possible. Defense is the preferred dump stat

[abstract venture]

Headtaker is so easy with hit speed I wish we had a claw hammer 🔨

[grizzled yacht]

I would say ideally go for min maxing on crits Did that with my psyker now my blades cut through loyalists and my own men like butter 🧈

[abstract venture]

You're talking like a world eater

keep going

[silk sail]

you can slightly dump pen since charged hammer strikes ignore armor modifiers

[cursive viper]

Really great for saving Ogryns who decide to walk into a host rather than taking the tiny detour that the rest of the squad is currently going through

[olive raven]

Defenses is dump

Order is

[silk sail]

but not too dump

[olive raven]

First Target > Damage > CC/Pen > Defences

[abstract venture]

If I can do 78% and above on everything with 70+ pen and low mobility I'll settle on it

[tender moss]

Do not be afraid our fate
Cannot be taken from us it is a gift

[olive raven]

For everything but defences, 69% or higher

[tender moss]

🙏

praying to the emporor

[sinful widget]

do i have to build around chorus or does it have synergy with most things?

[silk sail]

side dodging is very nice to have for getting in that position to bonk the right target

[sinful widget]

i do want to have a tree for fury and a tree for chorus

[abstract venture]

Chorus gives you a moment to breathe and heal up yours and friendly toughness within range

[silk sail]

I usually build chorus with crit builds

[abstract venture]

Try to squeeze as much damage as possible and whatever survivability you need from skills but chorus will keep you and team alive and under control and that's mostly more important

[silk sail]

leaning heavily into support and using enhanced crit chance weapons and blessings to maximize uptime

[abstract venture]

Unless youre with pubs then chorus is pain

Chorus only with comms with people who you know can work with you

[heavy arch]

most of the time people pop in chorus it doesn’t do jack squat

[silk sail]

If I'm not going out of my way to roleplay lucio I just stick to fury for versatility

[abstract venture]

Exactly keep yourself and team alive but help with enemies as much as is safe

Which is why I recommend being with friends or atleast people who understand you need an extra hand to stay out of trouble

Pubs are selfish god complex in their mind professionals willing to solo anything but a revive for an ally

Thx for coming to my vox talk

[silk sail]

[sinful widget]

damn, i play on asia and i'm surrounded by ppl with names the game cant even display and i dont even speak their language

looks like i only have 1 choice

[abstract venture]

I'm on Oceania servers

Mostly play with Europeans who will switch to Asia so we both suffer a bit and I'm not dealing with 550ms ping

[sinful widget]

how playable is the game on 200+ ping?

[abstract venture]

Not at all

Enemies teleport around you

[sinful widget]

🤯

[abstract venture]

You hit and they will die

But not actually they'll rip your toughness and take 6 hits to register as dead

[lean lark]

its like the hardest difficulty

[abstract venture]

Even heresy is a nightmare I wouldn't wish on anyone

[lean lark]

your dodges arent as effective, your blocks are delayed, your attacks are delayed

[sinful widget]

amazing, sounds like a grand old time

[lean lark]

i played on 150+ ping for most of my hours

[silk sail]

I play on asia too and I generally just ignore the []s

[lean lark]

i started playing eu pubs

[abstract venture]

If you can complete a whole damnation non auric without going down once with above 300 ping the whole time, I will delete my zealot and main veteran

[lean lark]

my usefulness in games skyrocketed

[abstract venture]

No it drives me crazy

I find myself expecting where they will be because it's where they are(because im literally seeing half a second behind what is actually going on)

Which snaps me back to reality when I play any normal response game I'm not as adjusted

[hushed knoll]

If you think about The Game then you’ve already lost The Game

[ornate bone]

Pretty bad

[hushed knoll]

You just lost

[ornate bone]

But doaable as long as you're not doing finesse stuff

[abstract venture]

I LOST YESTERDAY COME ON MAN

[olive raven]

Tbh whenever I get a high ping game I just fucking leave

I won’t play on it

[ornate bone]

You need to surrender going anything that's not spamming lights

[olive raven]

It’s so god awful

[hushed knoll]

[ornate bone]

Ye it's really really bad

The swings don't even make sense

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[hushed knoll]

What does this mean

[ornate bone]

I'm from SEA
and I play with friends from eu and na

[abstract venture]

I think 25 to life

[ornate bone]

When I have to play with them
200+ ping constantly
No ability to react to most stuff lol

[abstract venture]

Make them move servers smh

[ornate bone]

But if You're willing to just play claw + flamethrower

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-bozo-gif-25249657

[ornate bone]

Then yeah it'll be functional enough

[hushed knoll]

[abstract venture]

If they're your friends they want you to enjoy playing too

[ornate bone]

I just play on their server cos I'm an addict compared to their more casual attitude

I can make do with just spamming lights

[sinful widget]

speaking of flamethrowers, does it kill anything?

[ornate bone]

They'll probably die to the first lag enemy

[ornate bone]

It kills everything
But slowly

And you can barely move
And have 0 ability to kill specials

[frosty herald]

Hey brock try to catch an augurfly in mhw

[abstract venture]

You sound like you're up for my 300 ping no downs challenge

[ornate bone]

You'll kill Maulers and crushers pretty quickly with some dodges tbh

The issue is that outside of those cases + hordes
You don't have a ranged weapon

[silk sail]

Flamethrowers had their heyday in launch meta

[ornate bone]

Yea

[silk sail]

launch zealot was a ranged class

[ornate bone]

It still works now
But if you wanna use the flamer

You need to use the knife

Er
Throwing knife* for some range

[sinful widget]

i was confused for a bit there

[ornate bone]

Otherwise you'll never kill that flamer or grenadier lol

[celest cave]

Or not be a pussy and run nades for more killing power.

[ornate bone]

Or you give up all ideas of sniping specials and hope you have a good vet

[ornate bone]

That too lol

[abstract venture]

Thammer+fury to get right up in that gunners/flamers business

Flamer for whatever is smaller than thammer size

[ornate bone]

but yeah you can experiment with it
Just hopefully you queue with someone who can actually kill specials or pray pub rng is good

[silk sail]

(it's not)

[ornate bone]

weakness is pretty glaring on auric/maelstrom

but the strength is also obvious
You're just so specialized though so hopefully you have an idea how to deal with issues

[abstract venture]

Currently got my friends vet at level 26 while helping him level on damnation we just chill and let the pubs do brain-dead activities

Been trying his autogun+chorus build it's pretty fire

Throw a thammer on and I will have some more to try

[sharp zodiac]

Throwable hammers

[abstract venture]

Yes handheld construction belt sized claw hammers

[sinful widget]

is double charge on fury mandatory?

[abstract venture]

6 in each hand and 3 more in his pocket

[silk sail]

it's very nice to have

chain 2 dashes to get across the map and get a full toughness top up

[hushed knoll]

Why did u read that as furry

I

Not u

[sharp zodiac]

Because you're stan

[silk sail]

iframes on command

[ornate bone]

It's very very nice so I highly recommend it at any rate

guaranteed crit + gives you leeway on when you use it

[sinful widget]

you sound like u get staggered too when someone uses chorus

[silk sail]

It's not necessary especially if you have ult refunds but I rarely go without it

[sharp zodiac]

I love sliding towards the flamer as his flames don't do shit (ik my character is moving but it really feels I'm just rapidly floating towards him)

[abstract venture]

I think that's a side effect of gasoline inhalation maybe seek a doctor

[sharp zodiac]

Not again

[silk sail]

https://tenor.com/view/tf-tf2-pyro-team-fortress2-fire-gif-15641617

[jade compass]

which blessing should i aim for? (heavy eviscerator)

[silk sail]

which mark?

[jade compass]

15

[abstract venture]

Crit build?

[jade compass]

crit build

[silk sail]

on the 15 you'd want rampage and shred

[abstract venture]

Savage sweep/wrath, rampage

Oh

[silk sail]

sweep is discouraged on the 15

[elfin thorn]

is 15 the executioner sword

[silk sail]

yes

[elfin thorn]

yeah i can see that

[abstract venture]

Wrath worth having?

[silk sail]

nope

[elfin thorn]

haven't leveled zealot enough to use it

[jade compass]

in terms of modifiers which one is better?

[silk sail]

mostly due to the fact damage has a hard target cap on the 15

but not on mk2's heavies

[abstract venture]

Max cleave is around 12.00 on XV chainsword so what does that translate into if I have cleave or wrath?

[elfin thorn]

think the right one is better?

[golden anchor]

translates into still damaging 4 targets max at once on a light lol

[abstract venture]

The maths in this game is all over the place it sounds great on paper but I assume it's an easy answer

[silk sail]

it means you stagger a slightly denser horde, which doesn't amount to much

[abstract venture]

Ohhh I see

[elfin thorn]

i dunno how strong shredder is

[heavy arch]

V strong

[abstract venture]

Is perfect strike the blessing that allows more than 4 to be damaged on light?

Or is that an ogryn specific

[elfin thorn]

but ur current equipped looks better blessing and perk wise

[golden anchor]

no blessing lets you do that, so you just take rampage for more damage

[silk sail]

I'd prefer left evis, I'd swap out wrath and groaners

right one has savage locked which is a bit of a waste

[heavy arch]

don’t sleep on bloodthirsty evis

[elfin thorn]

i forget defense is a thing 😛

[heavy arch]

slightly worse horde clear but you can 1shot crushers

[elfin thorn]

the act of having defensive stuff. not the stat

[elfin thorn]

sounds like something up my alleyway lol

been enjoying thunder hammer though for the one shots

[heavy arch]

1shot without pressing F

with evis 15 bloodthirsty

[sinful widget]

Is there a way to farm upgrade materials besides doing missions?

[elfin thorn]

now that's just cruel to my blunted friend 😦

[sinful widget]

The gear progression in this game is pretty tedious lol

So much rng

[silk sail]

bribe a younger sibling to play on your behalf

[sharp zodiac]

Bribe an orphan

Or a homeless guy

[calm salmon]

not even tedious, outright impossible.

[elfin thorn]

not a possessed homeless guy though

[abstract venture]

I may be wasting time by saying if you create multiple characters to do weekly challenges for melk money you can pick up some lvl3-4 blessings that would take a lot of plasteel to burn

[calm salmon]

Well, okay, targeted is impossible, I should say.

Its just gambling from top to bottom.

Base stats, dump stats, perks, blessings, what shows up at melk, what shows up in the hourly shop

all gambling

[sinful widget]

The anguish

[sharp zodiac]

Where would you even find one of those

[calm salmon]

Getting slaughterer and flak on a chainaxe is ez breeze as a defense of the system

assuming you can roll slaughterer in the gambling at hadrons

[abstract venture]

Gamble my time for that big number on screen make me go 'hell yea'

[calm salmon]

to earn it and put it in your sticker book

[silk sail]

chainaxe in general has many blessings you can't go wrong with

and 2 stats you can dump

[calm salmon]

but like

4/4 is just fucking infuriating

and that's without farming for base stats beforehand

where ~1.5 million roubles nets you 2 or 3 "perfect" weapons

insofar as we can manage for perfect

[elfin thorn]

just sitting in some mist smoke

laying on the floor at times. they tend to levitate when disturbed thougj

though*

haven't seen what happens afterwards. i can't find the people usually

[ember yew]

i am as of today -5 mil $ and -32000 plasteel and still trying to get 4/4 MK15 Shred/Rampage Flak/Maniac

nothing so far

[abstract venture]

That's just weird tom the local homeless man he's harmless just wants to show you his butterfly collection

[ember yew]

[silk sail]

crafting is here to stay for a while so I'd suggest rolling for weapons you can't brick too badly

[sharp zodiac]

Beware the homeless on crack energy

Or is it meth

[abstract venture]

Flakiac is best but uny can do in most cases

[sharp zodiac]

I think I might be getting my drug powers mixed

[silk sail]

they have made a conscious effort to lower the performance gap between blessing tiers so gunning for 4s isn't going to make or break most blessings

[elfin thorn]

no clue

[abstract venture]

I dunno I wouldn't ask him though

[elfin thorn]

could be the last drugweaver for all we know

homieguy seems to be on everything at once

[ornate bone]

both

[abstract venture]

Its said that in times of great need the spirit of Atoma's oldest and wisest homeless drug addict will appear to give advice.... for a price

Usually a fiver or a ciggy and some change

[sharp zodiac]

They're very lenient on the price

Somehow more lenient then people who aren't homeless

[abstract venture]

I knew a guy who gave him a half scratched lotto ticket and he looked like he was going to adopt the kid

I don't doubt the price is negotiable

[sharp zodiac]

Wouldn't let him near a park tho

Probably take a duck from there

[elfin thorn]

you have committed crimes against atoma and her people

any tips for using the crucis mk ll?

thunder hammer. forgot that part there

[fleet zealot]

learn hitbox manipulation

simpler than it sounds

to hit big enemies in the middle of a group

turn your screen so the start of your swing hitbox is on top of your specific target or jump up for taller elites

other than that, just use unpowered heavies for horde clear

[silk sail]

jump to bonk bigger boys, side dodge while charging to gain extra distance

[fading vale]

dodge dancing, camera dragging, hitbox manipulation and jumping, learn when to use what normal, learn when you can use special lights instead of heavies

run thrust and slaughterer/headtaker with flak and unyielding

and positioning, like mentioned above dodging to move and hit things with special too

[hearty lily]

I just heard that the boltgun doesn't get headshot/weak spot damage...is this true?!

[fading vale]

definitely make use of the far edge of heavy hitbox

[fading vale]

false

[hearty lily]

Oh thank goodness

[silk sail]

no, their finesse got jacked up the roof after the last few patches

[hearty lily]

Good good. I wanted to put the surgical blessing on mine. Do you think it's worth it? I also have brittleness blessing

[fading vale]

IIRC it just might not display correct color in the psyk because the explosion

[silk sail]

Surgical is very nice to have on the Bolter now

[lean lark]

yes its due to the explosion

bolter specializes in weakspot dmg

[hearty lily]

Niceee

[tawny tangle]

It does but it sometimes doesn't give you the headshot hit marker but will still give you headshot damage

[fading vale]

you want pinning fire and surgical/cavalcade, shattering is OK but it's pretty meh and only reduces number of shots on a crusher by like 1

[tawny tangle]

Happens mostly on crushers I've noticed

[hearty lily]

Do crits give any additional bonuses besides increased damage like extra stagger or penetration or anything? Still newish to this game

[silk sail]

if that's the case it might be the explosion on hit triggering on a second target

[fleet zealot]

yes to penetration

[fading vale]

armor depends on the weapon, and yes they have higher stagger

[hearty lily]

Ah great

[silk sail]

some weapons still do piddly when critting armor

[fading vale]

look at the damage table under inspect

[silk sail]

brittleness/rending helps in those cases

[fading vale]

and you can see

[lean lark]

that -1 shot on crusher actually makes a difference

between 3 crushers in one mag and 4 and a half

[fading vale]

I think this assumes you land all headshots

and even with shattering it's like, 6 or 7 shots to kill a crusher without crits

well maybe 5 with all headshots

also depends on perk and anoint

[hearty lily]

Is rending a blessing? I don't see it listed under the boltgun as a blessing on the website

[silk sail]

there are blessings that give brittleness, yes

[fading vale]

rending is an effect, shattering impact does brittleness which is a rending debuff applied to the enemy

[silk sail]

bolter has in in the form of shattering impact

[hearty lily]

Ohhhh I see

Yeah I have shattering impact III on mine

[fading vale]

so basically after 4 shots to a crusher with shattering 4 you do roughly double damage

gives you 10% more carapace ADM every shot

[elfin thorn]

is it better to do charged heavies or light for elites? and is backstabs in relative to your positioning or the hit?

[silk sail]

bolter can 2 shot crushers on vet

without shattering

[fading vale]

you need to learn what you can charged heavy and what you can charged light, charged heavy is better the majority of the time, but depending on your current buffs etc a charge light for example can 1 shot a bulwark

and backstab just need to hit I believe the back of the enemy which should be 180 degrees kind of like a bulwarks shield radius

[silk sail]

shattering is less prioritized on the boltgun than it used to due to power creep and changes to rending

[fleet zealot]

the hit

[fading vale]

shattering sadly got silently nerfed anyways, cause it's 4 shots now instead of 2 to max

[elfin thorn]

yikes

oh actually

not yikes

i've been standing side by side so i can hit right on the back. guess that's been working then

[fading vale]

should be, mostly useful for maulers or faster rager kills

[silk sail]

I'm guessing that's thanks to the explosion double dipping for stacks

[lean lark]

yeah

[elfin thorn]

couldn't really get a good tell with numbers in the psykhanium

[lean lark]

in a realistic scenario where you are near a crusher train you'd have anoint nearly maxed

and since they're right infront of you

you just hipfirespam into them

and also while running +cara

[fading vale]

nope, they changed rending to be 2.5% stacking 16 times instead of 5% 8 times

and left shattering at 4 stacks per shot

brittleness not rending

[silk sail]

huh

[heavy arch]

bolter buffs pls